How Right Wing Propaganda Harms Everyone

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Today I witnessed one of the most evil and dishonest right wing propaganda efforts I’ve ever seen, and that’s really saying something. The false story spread from Jim Hoft to Drudge Report to Fox News within hours, and now a Texas community has been robbed of a huge economic benefit (estimated at $50 million a year by Hidalgo County Commissioner A.C. Cuellar), and countless children have been abandoned and left without help, because of the sick, twisted right wing crusade against migrant children desperately trying to escape violence and poverty.

You’ll never see a more disgusting example of how right wing propaganda spreads, and harms people and communities.

I almost wish I hadn’t fled screaming from the right years ago, so I could do it again now.

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327 comments
1 Snarknado!  Jul 16, 2014 6:48:43pm

Why, oh why are sane people still listening?

2 Gus  Jul 16, 2014 6:50:02pm

Even more absurd is how the RWNJs were talking as though this would be run as a resort-spa for “illegal immigrants.”

3 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 16, 2014 6:52:24pm
4 Charles Johnson  Jul 16, 2014 6:53:14pm

re: #2 Gus

Even more absurd is how the RWNJs were talking as though this would be run as a resort-spa for “illegal immigrants.”

It’s unbelievably sick and evil. It’s white supremacism. Jim Hoft and everyone who helped spread these lies are the absolute worst of humanity.

5 RealityBasedSteve  Jul 16, 2014 6:54:50pm

re: #2 Gus

Even more absurd is how the RWNJs were talking as though this would be run as a resort-spa for “illegal immigrants.”

Will they have that thing where you put your feet in the tank with the fish and they nibble off all the dead skin and stuff? Obama-aquacure

RBS

6 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 16, 2014 6:57:25pm

My Poe-meter is busted, is this a parody account or is this guy a for reals wingnut?

7 RealityBasedSteve  Jul 16, 2014 6:58:04pm

re: #6 Pie-onist Overlord

My Poe-meter is busted, is this a parody account or is this guy a for reals wingnut?

[Embedded content]

I’m betting real.

RBS

8 Decatur Deb  Jul 16, 2014 6:59:32pm

re: #7 RealityBasedSteve

I’m betting real.

RBS

Uses the liberal spelling of “legally”.

9 Snarknado!  Jul 16, 2014 6:59:33pm

re: #6 Pie-onist Overlord

My Poe-meter is busted, is this a parody account or is this guy a for reals wingnut?

[Embedded content]

Sounds real to me. Should I sigh or spit?

10 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 16, 2014 6:59:47pm

re: #7 RealityBasedSteve

I’m betting real.

RBS

Last week I would have said no way, that’s gotta be a spoof account.

Now, I can’t tell anymore.

11 teleskiguy  Jul 16, 2014 7:00:54pm

re: #6 Pie-onist Overlord

My Poe-meter is busted, is this a parody account or is this guy a for reals wingnut?

[Embedded content]

That’s probably not a parody.

If he calls himself a Christian he is a liar.

12 jaunte  Jul 16, 2014 7:01:54pm

re: #6 Pie-onist Overlord

Looked through his timeline; he’s not funny enough to be a parody, he’s just a stupid hater.

13 Skip Intro  Jul 16, 2014 7:02:04pm

re: #10 Pie-onist Overlord

Last week I would have said no way, that’s gotta be a spoof account.

Now, I can’t tell anymore.

It’s no joke account.

14 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 16, 2014 7:02:16pm

re: #12 jaunte

Looked through his timeline; he’s not funny enough to be a parody, he’s just a stupid hater.

ZOMG

[killed it with fire]

15 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 16, 2014 7:02:33pm

Blocked it, muted it, set its hair on fire.

16 Charles Johnson  Jul 16, 2014 7:03:32pm

re: #14 Pie-onist Overlord

Probably not worth the effort to figure out if that’s a parody account. Sometimes the parody accounts are worse than the real thing.

Block and ignore.

17 BongCrodny  Jul 16, 2014 7:03:34pm

re: #6 Pie-onist Overlord

My Poe-meter is busted, is this a parody account or is this guy a for reals wingnut?

[Embedded content]

If it’s real, it’s pretty fucking awful.

If it’s parody, it’s pretty fucking awful.

If it’s impossible to tell the difference, it’s probably not parody.

18 jaunte  Jul 16, 2014 7:04:56pm

More than education, more than infrastructure, more than jobs…

19 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 16, 2014 7:05:39pm

Now that we have turned the spotlight on Dim Jim, has anyone looked at this BOMBSHELL from 2 days ago?

20 Blue Fielder  Jul 16, 2014 7:06:09pm

Hey, anyone remember the phrase “laser focus on jobs”?

21 Decatur Deb  Jul 16, 2014 7:06:32pm

re: #18 jaunte

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More than education, more than infrastructure, more than jobs…

Many of those dreamers are named “Cruz”.

22 teleskiguy  Jul 16, 2014 7:06:41pm

re: #18 jaunte

[Embedded content]

More than education, more than infrastructure, more than jobs…

Dude knows his audience, and he’s sounds just smart enough for the non-redneck contingent to take him seriously.

I’m keeping my eye on Ted Cruz, I think he’s the more pernicious of the GOP presidential lot.

23 RealityBasedSteve  Jul 16, 2014 7:06:53pm

re: #12 jaunte

Looked through his timeline; he’s not funny enough to be a parody, he’s just a stupid hater.

I saw he had a reference to WWE, “The Real Americans”…. he may find this amusing. (make sure you stay with it to the 1:40 mark please)

Youtube Video

RBS

24 Skip Intro  Jul 16, 2014 7:07:09pm

re: #19 Pie-onist Overlord

I’m confused. If they’re brown, that’s a good thing, right? So DimJim is having a happy?

25 jaunte  Jul 16, 2014 7:09:20pm

re: #19 Pie-onist Overlord

Were there any local news reports on dead children in the Rio Grande? I only see the story on Fox News and rwnj sites.

26 Skip Intro  Jul 16, 2014 7:10:07pm

re: #22 teleskiguy

Dude knows his audience, and he’s sounds just smart enough for the non-redneck contingent to take him seriously.

I’m keeping my eye on Ted Cruz, I think he’s the more pernicious of the GOP presidential lot.

Ted Cruz is an excellent example of a demagogue, and no one else in his increasingly foul party even comes close to matching him.

27 Gus  Jul 16, 2014 7:11:06pm

OK, think I had enough. BBL maybe.

28 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 16, 2014 7:12:37pm

re: #20 Blue Fielder

Hey, anyone remember the phrase “laser focus on jobs”?

Black people are unemployed:
HURR HURR LAZY MOOCHER GET A JRRB & STOP TAKING ARE MONEYS FOR UR FOOD STAMPS!!!!!!

White people are unemployed:
HURR HURR OBAMA TUKK ARE JRRBS!!!!!!

29 Lidane  Jul 16, 2014 7:14:11pm

The RWNJs are seriously deranged people. I just had to block and mute some douche who suggested that Obama lured all those kids up north to the US so that sexual predators could get free access to them.

What. The. FUCK. Where do these people get this shit? And how fucked in the head do you have to be to think that makes any sense?

30 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 16, 2014 7:19:05pm

re: #29 Lidane

The RWNJs are seriously deranged people. I just had to block and mute some douche who suggested that Obama lured all those kids up north to the US so that sexual predators could get free access to them.

What. The. FUCK. Where do these people get this shit? And how fucked in the head do you have to be to think that makes any sense?

Wingnuts love this meme:

31 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 16, 2014 7:20:54pm

Some brain bleach:

32 Decatur Deb  Jul 16, 2014 7:21:26pm

re: #29 Lidane

The RWNJs are seriously deranged people. I just had to block and mute some douche who suggested that Obama lured all those kids up north to the US so that sexual predators could get free access to them.

What. The. FUCK. Where do these people get this shit? And how fucked in the head do you have to be to think that makes any sense?

American conservatism used to be an ideology, an alternate way of looking at the real world. I could imagine that a conservative could even be right 1 time in 4.

Now it’s dissolved into a pathology.

33 Skip Intro  Jul 16, 2014 7:23:10pm

re: #29 Lidane

What. The. FUCK. Where do these people get this shit? And how fucked in the head do you have to be to think that makes any sense?

Hate beats thinking every day of the week, and when you’ve had RW broadcasters like Rush Limbaugh and all of his little Rushs spewing this shit for over 20 years, it will have an affect.

The internet has only made it worse, but the topper IMO has been Twitter. Twitter moves disinformation around at the speed of light, and the feedback loop it creates allows disinformation to be repeated and amplified automatically.

34 Lidane  Jul 16, 2014 7:23:37pm

re: #32 Decatur Deb

American conservatism used to be an ideology, an alternate way of looking at the real world. I could imagine that a conservative could even be right 1 time in 4.

Now it’s dissolved into a pathology.

35 jaunte  Jul 16, 2014 7:26:07pm

re: #34 Lidane

At one point, several buses approached the protesters, driving east. The crowd started to confront the buses but the protesters were told the buses were carrying kids from the YMCA.

“How do we know it’s the YMCA?” a few protesters shouted, but the buses were allowed to continue east on the highway.

Ultimately they can’t believe anything, so everyone is a threat.

36 jaunte  Jul 16, 2014 7:28:01pm
37 Lidane  Jul 16, 2014 7:28:21pm

More brain bleach:

38 Skip Intro  Jul 16, 2014 7:31:13pm

re: #37 Lidane

Salem used to be such a nice, Christian witch burning town, and now look at it.

We’ve fallen so far.

39 Charles Johnson  Jul 16, 2014 7:33:35pm

re: #2 Gus

Even more absurd is how the RWNJs were talking as though this would be run as a resort-spa for “illegal immigrants.”

With hot tubs and concierge service. The insanity is off the scale.

40 TedStriker  Jul 16, 2014 7:34:41pm

re: #34 Lidane

re: #35 jaunte

Ultimately they can’t believe anything, so everyone is a threat.

These hateful cretins are going to get innocent people killed.

41 Charles Johnson  Jul 16, 2014 7:35:09pm

Again tonight I must note that a lot of sites are just beginning to wake up to the stories we covered at LGF several days ago.

42 Lidane  Jul 16, 2014 7:37:32pm

re: #40 TedStriker

These hateful cretins are going to get innocent people killed.

I’m honestly waiting for some militia yahoo to shoot an “immigrant” child on the border only to learn they killed an American instead. It’s inevitable.

The bus protests in Arizona are just the beginning. It’s frightening.

43 Lidane  Jul 16, 2014 7:40:15pm

re: #41 Charles Johnson

Again tonight I must note that a lot of sites are just beginning to wake up to the stories we covered at LGF several days ago.

Case in point:

Note: The video Josh Marshall links to auto-plays. Just FYI.

44 Skip Intro  Jul 16, 2014 7:41:24pm

re: #42 Lidane

I think the standoff at Bundy Ranch was the beginning. Now we’re seeing the escalation, and I agree with all of those who say somebody is going to get killed because of it. Maybe lots of somebodies. Then the RWNJ insanity meter will break all the old records and need to be recalibrated.

45 jaunte  Jul 16, 2014 7:42:14pm

Walk the walk! Here’s how to help those refugee kids

46 Kid A  Jul 16, 2014 7:43:36pm

re: #44 Skip Intro

And Dim Jim will be the first to “prove” the attacks were by liberals.

47 Charles Johnson  Jul 16, 2014 7:43:49pm

re: #43 Lidane

Exactly.

48 teleskiguy  Jul 16, 2014 7:43:53pm

re: #41 Charles Johnson

Again tonight I must note that a lot of sites are just beginning to wake up to the stories we covered at LGF several days ago.

LGF was primed to pay close attention to right wing extremists. Close readers of LGF are connoisseurs of right wing extremism and derp. LGF is going to see this kind of shit before anyone else, because we’re good at it!

49 Kid A  Jul 16, 2014 7:45:00pm

I don’t need a reason to drink, but this bullshit by Dim Jim increased my consumption this evening.

50 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 16, 2014 7:45:20pm

gee, somebody on the twitter just accused me of being racist because of my tweet to Ted Cruz asking if English wasn’t his first language…

51 Skip Intro  Jul 16, 2014 7:46:23pm

re: #49 Kid A

I don’t need a reason to drink, but this bullshit by Dim Jim increased my consumption this evening.

You need a laugh.

Here’s the actual “author” of the piece at DimJim’s sewer.

52 Charles Johnson  Jul 16, 2014 7:47:22pm

I fully expect the liberal sites to cover Jim Hoft’s lies tomorrow or the next day, without crediting LGF. That seems to be how it works.

53 jaunte  Jul 16, 2014 7:48:29pm

re: #50 Backwoods_Sleuth

gee, somebody on the twitter just accused me of being racist because of my tweet to Ted Cruz asking if English wasn’t his first language…

I wondered at the popularity of (the transparently insincere) Ted Cruz, but there are a lot of people who give their money away to prosperity gospel swindlers, too.

54 Skip Intro  Jul 16, 2014 7:49:29pm

re: #52 Charles Johnson

I posted the link to your excellent article of the DimJim/Drudge/Fox POS over at Comrade Fogovitchs’ Fogbow site.

Hope that’s ok.

55 Lidane  Jul 16, 2014 7:50:33pm
56 Charles Johnson  Jul 16, 2014 7:50:40pm

re: #54 Skip Intro

I posted the link to your excellent article of the DimJim/Drudge/Fox POS over at Comrade Fogovitchs’ Fogbow site.

Hope that’s ok.

Definitely OK! Maybe that will help let people know where it came from.

57 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 16, 2014 7:55:13pm
58 alpuz  Jul 16, 2014 7:55:16pm

re: #56 Charles Johnson

I’ve been using what I’ve read here to counter some of the local dumbasses. I hope that’s OK.

59 jaunte  Jul 16, 2014 7:56:18pm

Economy class will be redesignated The Peloton.

60 Romantic Heretic  Jul 16, 2014 7:56:35pm

re: #6 Pie-onist Overlord

My Poe-meter is busted, is this a parody account or is this guy a for reals wingnut?

[Embedded content]

re: #7 RealityBasedSteve

I’m betting real.

RBS

My reaction to these people is to have a momentary picture flash through my head. Something along the line of limbs shattered (not broken, shattered) with a sledgehammer or hollow point bullets in major joints screaming, “Welcome to the world of the poor, you bastard!”

Then my better nature comes to the fore and saves their butts.

61 Charles Johnson  Jul 16, 2014 7:59:01pm

re: #58 alpuz

That’s why I post it - of course it’s OK. But I’d greatly appreciate if you also let people know where it came from.

62 Kid A  Jul 16, 2014 8:01:30pm

Here’s my help, Charles, for what it’s worth, if anything:

63 alpuz  Jul 16, 2014 8:02:25pm

Will do.

64 Romantic Heretic  Jul 16, 2014 8:02:34pm

re: #59 jaunte

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Economy class will be redesignated The Peloton.

Normally, I like Airbus. But if this goes ahead I’ll never fly another Airbus aircraft ever again. Not even first class.

65 Kid A  Jul 16, 2014 8:04:04pm

re: #57 Backwoods_Sleuth

LOL. Oh my god, thank you, I needed that.

66 Kid A  Jul 16, 2014 8:05:30pm

It’s a lock that Dim Jim will get another “Excellence in Journalism” award after this one.

67 Skip Intro  Jul 16, 2014 8:07:58pm

re: #59 jaunte

Where they get their ideas.

Youtube Video

68 Kid A  Jul 16, 2014 8:10:58pm

Seriously, Charles, this maggot Dim Jim needed to be exposed for the lying sack of shit that he is. Use whatever means you have to do so.

69 Charles Johnson  Jul 16, 2014 8:11:49pm
70 Dark_Falcon  Jul 16, 2014 8:12:22pm

re: #66 Kid A

It’s a lock that Dim Jim will get another “Excellence in Journalism” award after this one.

I really wish I could be sure that was sarcasm.

71 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 16, 2014 8:14:35pm

BEE!

And on that note, I bid you all a good evening.

72 RealityBasedSteve  Jul 16, 2014 8:16:29pm

re: #66 Kid A

It’s a lock that Dim Jim will get another “Excellence in Journalism” award after this one.

Another “Not just a blogger, but an award winning journalist.”

I wish I wasn’t raised right, I’d find some way to monetize the fears and hates of the RWNJs, but my morals just won’t let me.

RVS

73 TedStriker  Jul 16, 2014 8:18:20pm

re: #59 jaunte

[Embedded content]

Economy class will be redesignated The Peloton.

re: #64 Romantic Heretic

Normally, I like Airbus. But if this goes ahead I’ll never fly another Airbus aircraft ever again. Not even first class.

TBH, I wouldn’t go to hard on Airbus for doing the engineering on this, because they wouldn’t be doing it if there wasn’t airlines looking into this seriously.

In this case, whatever airlines that did pony up for this engineering exercise are who’s worthy of derision.

74 jaunte  Jul 16, 2014 8:18:26pm

I was poor, but a GOP die-hard: How I finally left the politics of shame

I hated government — even as it was the only thing trying to save me. Here’s how, one day, I finally saw the light

75 BeachDem  Jul 16, 2014 8:18:30pm

re: #61 Charles Johnson

Well, at least Wonkette credited/linked you on their GOP straw poll story.

wonkette.com

76 Charles Johnson  Jul 16, 2014 8:21:52pm
77 Charles Johnson  Jul 16, 2014 8:23:35pm

re: #75 BeachDem

Well, at least Wonkette credited/linked you on their GOP straw poll story.

wonkette.com

Doktor Zoom is all right.

78 Lidane  Jul 16, 2014 8:27:22pm

Sleep beckons since I have to be at work early tomorrow. Have some geek mana before I go:

Also, Kevin Feige from Marvel has confirmed some Avengers 2 plot rumors. Sounds fun.

79 Shiplord Kirel  Jul 16, 2014 8:28:55pm

re: #19 Pie-onist Overlord

Now that we have turned the spotlight on Dim Jim, has anyone looked at this BOMBSHELL from 2 days ago?

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To top it all, it was the local sheriff who stirred the mob up with a false claim about an immigrant bus arriving. Even during Jim Crow, sheriffs rarely took a direct hand in inciting lynch mobs. They didn’t often do anything to stop them (though some did, at great risk and cost) but they weren’t out front waving the rope either.

80 BeachDem  Jul 16, 2014 8:35:12pm

re: #77 Charles Johnson

Doktor Zoom is all right.

And pretty damn funny, too. (I love his “Sunday with the Christianists” series.)

81 Feline Fearless Leader  Jul 16, 2014 8:35:45pm

littlegreenfootballs.com

Tonight’s flower show. Plus a lichen.

82 austin_blue  Jul 16, 2014 8:38:31pm

re: #79 Shiplord Kirel

To top it all, it was the local sheriff who stirred the mob up with a false claim about an immigrant bus arriving. Even during Jim Crow, sheriffs rarely took a direct hand in inciting lynch mobs. They didn’t often do anything to stop them (though some did, at great risk and cost) but they weren’t out front waving the rope either.

Desperate women, selling everything they own to find sanctuary, come to our borders seeking succor for their innocent children and they are portrayed as Enemies of the State?

Good thing we are a Nation founded on Christian ideals! Our Founding Fathers must be so proud of our modern American Patriots.

83 teleskiguy  Jul 16, 2014 8:38:45pm
84 jaunte  Jul 16, 2014 8:40:07pm
85 BeachDem  Jul 16, 2014 8:40:59pm

re: #79 Shiplord Kirel

To top it all, it was the local sheriff who stirred the mob up with a false claim about an immigrant bus arriving. Even during Jim Crow, sheriffs rarely took a direct hand in inciting lynch mobs. They didn’t often do anything to stop them (though some did, at great risk and cost) but they weren’t out front waving the rope either.

Not just any sheriff—it was the sweet “Babeu” of “build the dang fence tv spot with McCain fame” among other shady notoriety.

86 austin_blue  Jul 16, 2014 8:42:59pm

re: #85 BeachDem

Not just any sheriff—it was the sweet “Babeu” of “build the dang fence tv spot with McCain fame” among other shady notoriety.

Well, yeah, it’s not like he’s got any skin in the political game…

87 Dark_Falcon  Jul 16, 2014 8:46:01pm

Actually, in terms of many Obama-haters, the border will not be tomorrow’s outrage, as they’ll be taken up with this:

BREAKING: Obama Administration Bans Import of Izhmash & Kalashnikov (Saiga) Firearms

The actual post is informative, but as always many of the commentators are nutters. The executive order in question is here.

88 Dark_Falcon  Jul 16, 2014 8:51:55pm

Great, Kalashnikov Concern shot the thread dead.

89 Floral Giraffe  Jul 16, 2014 8:52:33pm

re: #88 Dark_Falcon

Great, Kalashnikov Concern shot the thread dead.

“BOOM”

90 austin_blue  Jul 16, 2014 8:52:49pm

I guess my biggest problem is that the “horde” is being described as illegal aliens. They’re not. They are presenting themselves to the Border Patrol and declaring that they are refugees based on the 2008 Legislation signed by W and asking to be processed as that law requires.

Fox is serving its Masters, but the rest of the news organizations aren’t telling the truth.

Frustrating.

91 Single-handed sailor  Jul 16, 2014 8:55:14pm

re: #90 austin_blue

News isn’t in the business of telling the truth, they are in the business of selling viewers to advertisers.

92 Dark_Falcon  Jul 16, 2014 8:56:25pm

re: #90 austin_blue

I guess my biggest problem is that the “horde” is being described as illegal aliens. They’re not. They are presenting themselves to the Border Patrol and declaring that they are refugees based on the 2008 Legislation signed by W and asking to be processed as that law requires.

Fox is serving its Masters, but the rest of the news organizations aren’t telling the truth.

Frustrating.

They are making those claims, but for the most part they are economic migrants, their parents lured into being sent here by criminals. As such, they should not be demonized, and they should be treated humanely, but they should also be deported.

93 wheat-dogghazi  Jul 16, 2014 8:59:55pm

This latest bullshit from Dim Jim’s site has pushed me into firing up the VPN and hitting Twitter.

94 austin_blue  Jul 16, 2014 9:01:33pm

re: #87 Dark_Falcon

Actually, in terms of many Obama-haters, the border will not be tomorrow’s outrage, as they’ll be taken up with this:

BREAKING: Obama Administration Bans Import of Izhmash & Kalashnikov (Saiga) Firearms

The actual post is informative, but as always many of the commentators are nutters. The executive order in question is here.

Hey, DF.

AKs are shitty hunting weapons, but they are really good at wounding humans and not necessarily killing them. The round is slow and plows through flesh, rather than hydro shocking it. It was a conscious decision by the Russians to come up up with a weapon that would wound rather than kill. The idea was that if you wounded a soldier, you would tie up more assets than if you just killed them outright. The AK round was perfect for this.

95 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Jul 16, 2014 9:04:01pm

re: #92 Dark_Falcon

They are making those claims, but for the most part they are economic migrants, their parents lured into being sent here by criminals. As such, they should not be demonized, and they should be treated humanely, but they should also be deported.

How did you arrive at this determination?

And why should we deport economic migrants?

Do you think we should deport all undocumented aliens? Are you really that far gone?

96 austin_blue  Jul 16, 2014 9:04:50pm

re: #92 Dark_Falcon

They are making those claims, but for the most part they are economic migrants, their parents lured into being sent here by criminals. As such, they should not be demonized, and they should be treated humanely, but they should also be deported.

Oh, DF, these are not “economic immigrants”. The rich can flee or pay for security, these people are desperate.

97 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Jul 16, 2014 9:06:27pm

re: #96 austin_blue

Oh, DF, these are not “economic immigrants”. The rich can flee or pay for security, these people are desperate.

“Economic migrant” can include “Back home, there is no school and my parents can’t afford to feed me”.

It’s not like these kids are jockeying for $30 an hour jobs so they can eat at TGI Friday’s every night.

The US is a land of immigrants and immigrants make us stronger. They always have. The only people they weaken are the established white power structure. Boo-fucking-hoo.

98 Varek Raith  Jul 16, 2014 9:06:35pm

Let’s not also forget that we played a large hand in screwing up Central America.

99 Dark_Falcon  Jul 16, 2014 9:06:51pm

re: #96 austin_blue

Oh, DF, these are not “economic immigrants”. The rich can flee or pay for security, these people are desperate.

Desperation is not a reason to allow someone to remain.

100 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Jul 16, 2014 9:07:30pm

Let’s see, we can either deport this kid at the cost of tens of thousands of dollars, back to an incredibly uncertain fate, or we can keep them around, educate them, and have them turn into a productive citizen.

Why would anyone go for option #1?

101 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Jul 16, 2014 9:08:02pm

re: #99 Dark_Falcon

Desperation is not a reason to allow someone to remain.

Will you answer if you think that every undocumented alien should be deported?

102 austin_blue  Jul 16, 2014 9:09:57pm

re: #99 Dark_Falcon

Desperation is not a reason to allow someone to remain.

It’s why my ancestors came here to avoid famine in Ireland.

Is that really your position? Do you think it is legitimate, humane, or moral?

103 wheat-dogghazi  Jul 16, 2014 9:15:58pm

re: #102 austin_blue

It’s why my ancestors came here to avoid famine in Ireland.

Is that really your position? Do you think it is legitimate, humane, or moral?

Mine came from Sweden for similar reasons. My grandfather and all his brothers and sisters came to America around 1900 because there was nothing for them in Sweden — land, jobs or opportunity. They left behind their parents, who were peasant farmers and never saw their kids again. I can tell similar stories about my two grandmas (though one first ended up in Canada).

I would not be here if they had been deported.

104 Dark_Falcon  Jul 16, 2014 9:16:11pm

re: #100 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

Let’s see, we can either deport this kid at the cost of tens of thousands of dollars, back to an incredibly uncertain fate, or we can keep them around, educate them, and have them turn into a productive citizen.

Why would anyone go for option #1?

It doesn’t cost tens of thousands to deport or at least it shouldn’t in most cases.

Also, a good reason to go with option one is that its cheaper than paying for the kid’s upkeep and education for a decade or so.

Moreover, the schools and child services system are so messed up in many places that the child becoming a productive person is quite uncertain.

And no, I don’t support deporting everyone who is in the US illegally. Frankly, I find the question insulting.

105 wheat-dogghazi  Jul 16, 2014 9:18:58pm

re: #104 Dark_Falcon

It doesn’t cost tens of thousands to deport or at least it shouldn’t in most cases.

Also, a good reason to go with option one is that its cheaper than paying for the kid’s upkeep and education for a decade or so.

Moreover, the schools and child services system are so messed up in many places that the child becoming a productive person is quite uncertain.

And no, I don’t support deporting everyone who is in the US illegally. Frankly, I find the question insulting.

88% of these kids end up with family members already here. The others will probably end up in the foster care system, or be adopted. In other words, the federal government is not going to be taking care of them for a decade.

As for the bolded part, got any evidence to back up such a sweeping generalization?

106 Dark_Falcon  Jul 16, 2014 9:22:47pm

re: #105 wheat-dogghazi

88% of these kids end up with family members already here. The others will probably end up in the foster care system, or be adopted. In other words, the federal government is not going to be taking care of them for a decade.

As for the bolded part, got any evidence to back up such a sweeping generalization?

It’s mostly just “what everyone knows”, I suppose, on that point.

107 The War TARDIS  Jul 16, 2014 9:23:30pm

re: #102 austin_blue

Most recent here in my family was my dad’s Norwegian Grandmother. She left Norway on June 16, 1920 to get out of a rather impoverished nation at the periphery of Europe, along with the recent death of her mother 2 years earlier, and her father’s spiral into alcoholism, which would kill him in the end.

She also came over at the age of 8.

Or my mom’s Great-Grandparents, who left the region spanning from what is today the Czech-Polish Border, to the Ukrainian-Polish Border? The came here in 1904, and received citizenship in 1917

108 austin_blue  Jul 16, 2014 9:24:26pm

re: #106 Dark_Falcon

It’s mostly just “what everyone knows”, I suppose, on that point.

Please respond to #102. I need to know your mindset on this.

109 BeachDem  Jul 16, 2014 9:26:02pm

And speaking of guns (as someone always is), remember when that gun manufacturer moved out of Connecticut to escape all the oppressive regulation after Sandy Hook? They moved to South Carolina (of course) and were just going gangbusters, and another gun manufacturer from Ohio was going to follow until…

PTR has just laid off eight employees and cut managers’ pay by 10 percent because of a lessening of demand for firearms nationally.

EDC executive committee member Jimmy Yahnis said that gun manufacturers have come to Horry County saying they had a huge backlog of orders, and that makes him puzzled about the current situation.

Lazarus said that orders for PTR’s guns have caused its output to drop from 9,000 per month to 1,200 per month. He said that orders soared last year amid talk of laws to limit gun ownership, but that has dropped off.

myrtlebeachonline.com

110 The War TARDIS  Jul 16, 2014 9:26:32pm

re: #107 The War TARDIS

Clarification, my Those two are on her mom’s side of the family tree.

They would be 2 of my Great-Great Grandparents. Difference of 60 years from their deaths in 1930 to my birth 60 years later.

Awfully fast compared to the rest of my family.

111 The War TARDIS  Jul 16, 2014 9:29:31pm

re: #107 The War TARDIS

I was even able to find the ship my Great-Grandmother came on.

The Stavangerfjord.

112 Dark_Falcon  Jul 16, 2014 9:30:06pm

re: #108 austin_blue

Please respond to #102. I need to know your mindset on this.

It’s tough to compare, given how much smaller the federal government was in the 1840’s and thus how much less “regularized” immigration was back then. But leaving that aside, your ancestors were regarded as having come here legally, so their coming here was not problematic in my eyes.

113 gwangung  Jul 16, 2014 9:30:30pm

re: #106 Dark_Falcon

It’s mostly just “what everyone knows”, I suppose, on that point.

I would suggest that you wait until you actually do know.

GIGO, you know.

114 gwangung  Jul 16, 2014 9:32:32pm

re: #112 Dark_Falcon

It’s tough to compare, given how much smaller the federal government was in the 1840’s and thus how much less “regularized” immigration was back then. But leaving that aside, your ancestors were regarded as having come here legally, so their coming here was not problematic in my eyes.

Don’t be so sure of that for everyone.

The EXACT same arguments, word for word,use against my ancestors are being used against today’s refugees.

And they were just as much lies now as they were then.

115 goddamnedfrank  Jul 16, 2014 9:32:38pm
Examples of particular social groups whose members have been accepted as asylees or refugees by the U.S. government include tribes or ethnic groups, social classes (such as educated elite), family members of dissidents, occupational groups, homosexuals, members or former members of the police or military (who may be targeted for assassination), and, in some cases, women.

Pretty sure all these people were desperate.

116 Dark_Falcon  Jul 16, 2014 9:34:04pm

re: #114 gwangung

Don’t be so sure of that for everyone.

The EXACT same arguments, word for word,use against my ancestors are being used against today’s refugees.

And they were just as much lies now as they were then.

Some of those ugly arguments are indeed being used. But not by me.

117 gwangung  Jul 16, 2014 9:36:06pm

re: #116 Dark_Falcon

Some of those ugly arguments are indeed being used. But not by me.

You’re just using the prettier arguments.

Still false, though.

118 goddamnedfrank  Jul 16, 2014 9:36:56pm

So we’ll accept the desperation of social class as a valid reason when it’s educated Cambodians fleeing the Khmer Rouge, and any Cuban who makes it to dry land in Florida, but not for poors fleeing Honduras and its world record homicide rate.

119 Dark_Falcon  Jul 16, 2014 9:37:56pm

Going to head off for the night. It’s after 11:30 here.

Sleep well, all.

120 wheat-dogghazi  Jul 16, 2014 9:42:54pm

re: #106 Dark_Falcon

It’s mostly just “what everyone knows”, I suppose, on that point.

That’s a very lazy reply. I for one certainly don’t know that.

121 Blue Fielder  Jul 16, 2014 9:43:09pm

re: #106 Dark_Falcon

It’s mostly just “what everyone knows”, I suppose, on that point.

Ah. So, a roundabout way of saying “PURE UNFILTERED BULLSHIT” then?

122 wheat-dogghazi  Jul 16, 2014 9:45:45pm

re: #121 Blue Fielder

Ah. So, a roundabout way of saying “PURE UNFILTERED BULLSHIT” then?

Everybody knows the refugee kids are carrying diseases.
Everybody knows Central American immigrants are gang members.
Everybody knows it’s an invasion.

//

123 Varek Raith  Jul 16, 2014 9:50:53pm

Everyone knows how awesome I am.

What?

124 Charles Johnson  Jul 16, 2014 9:52:49pm

Ugh.

125 Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 16, 2014 9:55:40pm

I like the Message version of the famous Matthew 7:21 verse about Jesus scolding those who *think* they are going to Heaven:

“Knowing the correct password—saying ‘Master, Master,’ for instance—isn’t going to get you anywhere with me. What is required is serious obedience—doing what my Father wills. I can see it now—at the Final Judgment thousands strutting up to me and saying, ‘Master, we preached the Message, we bashed the demons, our God-sponsored projects had everyone talking.’ And do you know what I am going to say? ‘You missed the boat. All you did was use me to make yourselves important. You don’t impress me one bit. You’re out of here.’

Seems very apt right now.

126 sagehen  Jul 16, 2014 9:56:42pm

re: #118 goddamnedfrank

So we’ll accept the desperation of social class as a valid reason when it’s educated Cambodians fleeing the Khmer Rouge, and any Cuban who makes it to dry land in Florida, but not for poors fleeing Honduras and its world record homicide rate.

You know who else we’re not accepting as “desperation” cases? Iraqis who worked for our troops as translaters and fixers, and are now in fear for their lives and their family’s lives. Several have died already.

127 austin_blue  Jul 16, 2014 10:01:35pm

re: #107 The War TARDIS

Most recent here in my family was my dad’s Norwegian Grandmother. She left Norway on June 16, 1920 to get out of a rather impoverished nation at the periphery of Europe, along with the recent death of her mother 2 years earlier, and her father’s spiral into alcoholism, which would kill him in the end.

She also came over at the age of 8.

Or my mom’s Great-Grandparents, who left the region spanning from what is today the Czech-Polish Border, to the Ukrainian-Polish Border? The came here in 1904, and received citizenship in 1917

These are the tales of all of us. Unless we are of Native American blood, we are all immigrants.

I’m half irish and half German. My Irish half came to the US in the 1870’s, the German half in the 1880’s.

My dad’s father’s side of the Irish (Sulilvan’s and Kelly’s) settled originally in Illinois, and then a chunk moved west to the Colorado silver mines in the 1880’s. My great-grandmother (who married a Murphy) ended up owning two hotels in Blackhawk. Her husband was a miner, but had no sense for business. She ran the show. My Great sent my grandmother back to Ireland to get a good education. One of the strongest women I have ever known. She returned and married my grandfather, who ended up as a Fire Chief for the City of Denver.

On my mom’s side, the Lambertz family came over from Germany and established themselves in Missouri, around Hannibal. The children were well educated and excelled as musicians. In their young adulthood they played in the orchestra for the silent films of the era. My mom’s dad made his living as a construction contractor in Kansas City and was a Seabee in World war II.

We all have these stories. We all are all immigrants. The right wing reaction to these children is, at a fundamental level, evil.

128 austin_blue  Jul 16, 2014 10:08:52pm

re: #112 Dark_Falcon

It’s tough to compare, given how much smaller the federal government was in the 1840’s and thus how much less “regularized” immigration was back then. But leaving that aside, your ancestors were regarded as having come here legally, so their coming here was not problematic in my eyes.

Oh, DF, that is so short sighted on so many levels. The size of the government is irrelevant. What is the reality today?

My ancestors didn’t arrive here “legally”. They showed up in New York and were were processed into the system (exactly as the law W signed in 2008 requires that Central Americans must be processed) and then were released into an environment where “No Irish Need Apply”.

It was hell for them.

129 Varek Raith  Jul 16, 2014 10:11:36pm

I hear crashing.
Kitteh is getting into trouble.

130 Tigger2  Jul 16, 2014 10:23:49pm

re: #99 Dark_Falcon

Desperation is not a reason to allow someone to remain.

Desperation and economics has been the reason for a lot of immigration over the years, why is it a bad reason now.

131 austin_blue  Jul 16, 2014 10:32:26pm

Night all, sweet scaly dreams.

132 Amory Blaine  Jul 16, 2014 10:38:58pm

A 50 million resort would do us proud, and shine a light to the world.

133 wheat-dogghazi  Jul 16, 2014 10:45:51pm

re: #132 Amory Blaine

A 50 million resort would do us proud, and shine a light to the world.

Just not in MY neighborhood!
//

134 wheat-dogghazi  Jul 16, 2014 11:10:54pm

I blogged about Dim Jim.

135 wheat-dogghazi  Jul 16, 2014 11:14:23pm

Doh!
Left out the link

136 Varek Raith  Jul 16, 2014 11:17:09pm

F-16 flew over.

137 Varek Raith  Jul 16, 2014 11:17:43pm

Fun.
norad.mil

138 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jul 17, 2014 1:09:08am

This crap worked like a charm against Acorn and Shirley Sherrod despite being refuted after the fact. The sort of thing that would once get one drummed out of journalism like Dan Rather now wins accolades.

And they are not about to abandon an approach that works so well for them.

139 urbanmeemaw  Jul 17, 2014 1:21:28am

re: #4 Charles Johnson

It’s unbelievably sick and evil. It’s white supremacism. Jim Hoft and everyone who helped spread these lies are the absolute worst of humanity.

“Unbelievably Sick and Evil” is the motto of the GOP.

140 Teukka  Jul 17, 2014 1:23:56am

Is it just me, or has the GOP crossed the line of having officially gone full metal Nazi?

141 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jul 17, 2014 1:25:16am

re: #140 Teukka

Is it just me, or has the GOP crossed the line of having officially gone full metal Nazi?

They have let that faction take over the party, yes. And now there is no divorcing themselves from them without totally splitting the party.

142 Targetpractice  Jul 17, 2014 1:56:08am

re: #138 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

This crap worked like a charm against Acorn and Shirley Sherrod despite being refuted after the fact. The sort of thing that would once get one drummed out of journalism like Dan Rather now wins accolades.

And they are not about to abandon an approach that works so well for them.

CBS has seemed to have a fairly decent record of keeping its nose clean when it comes to the news, to the point of jettisoning reporters over bogus stories. That’s a step up from the competition, who likes to hide behind “just asking questions.”

143 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jul 17, 2014 2:17:49am

re: #142 Targetpractice

CBS has seemed to have a fairly decent record of keeping its nose clean when it comes to the news, to the point of jettisoning reporters over bogus stories. That’s a step up from the competition, who likes to hide behind “just asking questions.”

CBS is old school, back from a time when a news organization’s reputation for accuracy and fairness was its stock in trade.

Now it is all about gaining attention and market share, and that award goes to those who pander best to their target audience’s prejudices.

144 Lidane  Jul 17, 2014 2:44:59am

re: #122 wheat-dogghazi

Everybody knows the refugee kids are carrying diseases.
Everybody knows Central American immigrants are gang members.
Everybody knows it’s an invasion.

//

Everyone knows the law is the law. Deport them all!

Honestly, if someone can’t see the desperation in a child who leaves their homes, their families and everything they’ve ever known to walk thousands of miles to surrender to the Americans and ask for help, then they’re just heartless. Nobody does something like that without a damned good reason, and they should have a chance to be heard and a chance at a new life.

145 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jul 17, 2014 2:46:50am

re: #144 Lidane

Everyone knows the law is the law. Deport them all!

Honestly, if someone can’t see the desperation in a child who leaves their homes, their families and everything they’ve ever known to walk thousands of miles to surrender to the Americans and ask for help, then they’re just heartless. Nobody does something like that without a damned good reason, and they should have a chance to be heard and a chance at a new life.

For a new life as government-dependent Democrat voters? NO WAY, JOSÉ!!!

/

146 Lidane  Jul 17, 2014 2:50:26am

re: #145 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

For a new life as government-dependent Democrat voters? NO WAY, JOSÉ!!!

/

What’s hilarious is that I had the same Twitter moron call me both a wingnut and a “proggie” for calling out the fake compassion and fake “Christian values” of the people who would shoot or deport these kids on sight without even trying to understand what the hell is going on.

No 8-year old leaves their entire life to walk thousands of miles here to fight for MS-13 or for the cartels. They’re doing it because staying where they are is more of a death sentence than making the dangerous journey from Central America to the American border.

147 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jul 17, 2014 2:53:49am

re: #140 Teukka

Is it just me, or has the GOP crossed the line of having officially gone full metal Nazi?

Wait, I thought the Nazi comparisons were frowned upon here? Or is it only when the other side does it? /

PS: actually I’m all for the valid Nazi comparisons. But let’s be consistent, shall we?

148 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jul 17, 2014 2:54:07am

There is simply not enough political consensus for comprehensive immigration reform, as it would involve:

-better regulating the border (“sealing” the border is a TPGOP pipe dream)
-registering and regulating resident aliens (a “bureaucratic nightmare” to the TPGOP)
-addressing the root causes of mass immigration (economic disparity, drug policies, aka “not our problem, the law is the law” to the TPGOP)
-financing all these measures (no problem for the TPGOP, just cut more entitlement programs and government services)

149 Lidane  Jul 17, 2014 2:56:34am

re: #140 Teukka

Is it just me, or has the GOP crossed the line of having officially gone full metal Nazi?

They’re not anywhere close to the Nazis. Mostly, the GOP have gone full metal Klan. It’s the consequence of spending 40+ years openly courting the racist Southerners who violently opposed civil rights and the end of slavery and Jim Crow.

After a while, their ignorance and bigotry becomes a feature, not a bug.

150 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jul 17, 2014 3:00:20am

re: #149 Lidane

They’re not anywhere close to the Nazis. Mostly, the GOP have gone full metal Klan. It’s the consequence of spending 40+ years openly courting the racist Southerners who violently opposed civil rights and the end of slavery and Jim Crow.

After a while, their ignorance and bigotry becomes a feature, not a bug.

And they have made no effort to rein in the extreme elements for fear of being shouted down by some goombah in a tricorne hat carrying a Gadsen flag and an assault rifle.

Now these people have begun dominating the dialogue.

151 Dr Lizardo  Jul 17, 2014 3:12:26am

re: #149 Lidane

re: #150 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

The more these xenophobic nativist lunatics come to dominate the GOP, the further - and faster - the GOP will sidle into white nationalist territory. That trend seems to be accelerating; by the time we get to the 2020 Presidential election cycle, that transition into an openly and blatantly white nationalist political party could well be complete.

152 Lidane  Jul 17, 2014 3:16:35am

Reminder— this asshole is talking about children:

153 RadicalModerate  Jul 17, 2014 3:18:36am

re: #149 Lidane

They’re not anywhere close to the Nazis. Mostly, the GOP have gone full metal Klan. It’s the consequence of spending 40+ years openly courting the racist Southerners who violently opposed civil rights and the end of slavery and Jim Crow.

After a while, their ignorance and bigotry becomes a feature, not a bug.

Rebranding!

154 kirkspencer  Jul 17, 2014 3:57:04am

re: #99 Dark_Falcon

Desperation is not a reason to allow someone to remain.

what?

Have you actually looked at the history of immigration - the reason a large portion and possibly the vast majority of immigrants came here?

Immigration, for the majority of our history, was an act of desperation. You were leaving your friends, your family, your connections, in some cases the place where you spoke the same language.

caveat. I’m for massively reduced limitations on immigration. Not open borders to all; I don’t want an actual invasion. But the base of opportunity is people contributing to both supply and demand - and I’ve never met a ‘lazy’ immigrant. Several lazy natives, but not immigrants.

155 Botsplainer  Jul 17, 2014 3:58:19am

Kristin Taylor is a truly loathesome tool. Many years ago when I was a wingnut aligned Freeper, I had occasion to meet the jackass. I think Taylor viewed the folks from the group I was aligned with (FRN) as a bunch of spineless RINO librul collaborationists horning in on his beta-minus male turf (even though FRN was the fertile soil from which Jeff Gannon grew like kudzu). He gave me the hairy eyeball when I met him - my lack of fealty to the True Conservative doctrines of race hate, gay hate, Christianist triumphalism, reckless militarism and poor bashing was well known by then.

156 Timothy Watson  Jul 17, 2014 4:03:35am

re: #152 Lidane

Reminder— this asshole is talking about children:

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Really, there’s more than 3,650,000 refugees coming into our country?

157 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jul 17, 2014 4:03:50am

re: #154 kirkspencer

what?

caveat. I’m for massively reduced limitations on immigration. Not open borders to all; I don’t want an actual invasion. But the base of opportunity is people contributing to both supply and demand - and I’ve never met a ‘lazy’ immigrant. Several lazy natives, but not immigrants.

“Seal the borders” is another SWNJ pipe dream. But we also need to prepared to bear the bureaucratic cost and effort involved in restricting access.

And we need to address the root causes of mass immigration. That means taking a look at our drug policies, economic policies and foreign policies in general.

158 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jul 17, 2014 4:04:24am

re: #156 Timothy Watson

Really, there’s more than 3,650,000 refugees coming into our country?

It FEELS like that many, and that is what counts as “truthiness”.

160 Targetpractice  Jul 17, 2014 4:11:29am

re: #159 Varek Raith

Man sets house on fire while trying to kill spider

161 Lidane  Jul 17, 2014 4:13:13am
162 Targetpractice  Jul 17, 2014 4:13:28am

re: #154 kirkspencer

what?

Have you actually looked at the history of immigration - the reason a large portion and possibly the vast majority of immigrants came here?

Immigration, for the majority of our history, was an act of desperation. You were leaving your friends, your family, your connections, in some cases the place where you spoke the same language.

caveat. I’m for massively reduced limitations on immigration. Not open borders to all; I don’t want an actual invasion. But the base of opportunity is people contributing to both supply and demand - and I’ve never met a ‘lazy’ immigrant. Several lazy natives, but not immigrants.

Virtually every major migration into the US was due to a major event going on somewhere in the world that was driving people out of their home countries. Potato Famine, Great Depression, & the right of the Third Reich driving out European Jews being three notable events.

163 Timothy Watson  Jul 17, 2014 4:17:20am

re: #162 Targetpractice

Virtually every major migration into the US was due to a major event going on somewhere in the world that was driving people out of their home countries. Potato Famine, Great Depression, & the right of the Third Reich driving out European Jews being three notable events.

The failed Revolutions of 1848, particularly in German speaking areas, spawned a huge wave of migration to the United States.

164 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jul 17, 2014 4:17:33am

Dunno why this comes to mind

Children’s Crusade

165 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jul 17, 2014 4:18:33am

My grandparents were all sent over from Europe as children around the turn of the 20th century to live with relatives because their families could not support them.

166 Tor  Jul 17, 2014 4:18:45am

re: #99 Dark_Falcon

Desperation is not a reason to allow someone to remain.

I see the concept of empathy still completely eludes you.

167 Targetpractice  Jul 17, 2014 4:19:07am

re: #161 Lidane

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All I hear is the same ol’ excuse-making. “We can’t trust him!”

168 lawhawk  Jul 17, 2014 4:23:24am

re: #19 Pie-onist Overlord

National news outlets have reported that migrants have died crossing the border. ABC News reported 445 died last year. Some percentage of those were children. The San Jose Mercury News reported on one such instance earlier this month.

While hundreds of immigrants die crossing the border each year, the discovery of Gilberto’s decomposed body in the Rio Grande Valley on June 15 highlights the perils unaccompanied children face as the U.S. government searches for ways to deal with record numbers of children crossing into the country illegally.

Hidalgo County Sheriff Eddie Guerra said he was the first child immigrant his office has found since he became sheriff in April.

More than 52,000 unaccompanied children have been apprehended entering the U.S. illegally since October, creating what President Barack Obama has called an “urgent humanitarian situation.” On Monday, Obama asked Congress for more money and additional authority to deal with the surge of youths, mostly from Central America. Obama wants flexibility to speed the youths’ deportations and $2 billion to hire more immigration judges and open more detention facilities.

The number of unaccompanied immigrant children picked up along the border has been rising for three years as they fled pervasive gang violence in Honduras, Guatemala and El Salvador. More recently, children and parents have said they heard children traveling alone and parents traveling with young kids would be released by authorities and allowed to continue to their destination.

Many of the children turn themselves in to the first law enforcement person they see, so Guerra said it was unusual to find a child in this more remote area — near La Joya, about 20 miles west of McAllen. Sometimes smugglers, known as coyotes, leave people behind if they can’t go on; other times a group may scatter when authorities approach.

About 445 immigrants died along the U.S.-Mexico border last year, according to the Border Patrol. The Pima County medical examiner in Arizona, which is the perennial leader in immigrant deaths, recorded 168 of the deaths; of the 70 where an age was confirmed, none were younger than 13.

169 Ryan King  Jul 17, 2014 4:24:00am
I almost wish I hadn’t fled screaming from the right years ago, so I could do it again now.

Wow, what a blast from the past that was.

I’ve changed a lot in 5 years. It’s taken a long time and some real internal work to leave the cult.

170 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jul 17, 2014 4:24:56am

re: #168 lawhawk

National news outlets have reported that migrants have died crossing the border. ABC News reported 445 died last year. Some percentage of those were children. The San Jose Mercury News reported on one such instance earlier this month.

Nearly as many as died on Omaha Beach…

/

171 Ryan King  Jul 17, 2014 4:26:32am

re: #99 Dark_Falcon

Desperation is not a reason to allow someone to remain.

Slippery Slope-ism is not a philosophy.

172 lawhawk  Jul 17, 2014 4:27:24am

re: #100 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

Let’s see, we can either deport this kid at the cost of tens of thousands of dollars, back to an incredibly uncertain fate, or we can keep them around, educate them, and have them turn into a productive citizen.

Why would anyone go for option #1?

Xenophobia. It’s what the GOP has for breakfast, lunch, and dinner these days.

173 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jul 17, 2014 4:29:05am

re: #100 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

Let’s see, we can either deport this kid at the cost of tens of thousands of dollars, back to an incredibly uncertain fate, or we can keep them around, educate them, and have them turn into a productive citizen.

Why would anyone go for option #1?

Because that immigrant kid would likely become a citizen and vote Democrat, that’s why.

Deport them all, now, cost what it may.

/

174 Targetpractice  Jul 17, 2014 4:32:44am

re: #157 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

“Seal the borders” is another SWNJ pipe dream. But we also need to prepared to bear the bureaucratic cost and effort involved in restricting access.

And we need to address the root causes of mass immigration. That means taking a look at our drug policies, economic policies and foreign policies in general.

It’s not simply a pipe dream, it’s one they have no intention of funding. The cost to do half of what they want, namely toss out every “illegal” in US borders, would be several hundred billion without any guarantee of success. And then there’s the cost of building and maintaining the huge wall they believe vitally important to ensuring no further “illegals” make it here.

175 Ryan King  Jul 17, 2014 4:33:24am

re: #140 Teukka

Is it just me, or has the GOP crossed the line of having officially gone full metal Nazi?

Uh, no. Nazi analogies are pretty icky.

They are embracing Southern Strategy 2.0: The Big White Tent.

176 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 17, 2014 4:35:29am

Good morning all.
I see that I left just in time to miss DF’s astoundingly insensitive comments last night, so I’ll start the day with a little mental health break:

177 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jul 17, 2014 4:40:59am

re: #174 Targetpractice

It’s not simply a pipe dream, it’s one they have no intention of funding.

Easily funded, just abolish the Department of Education, Environmental Protection Agency and another government agency I cannot think of right now…

178 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Jul 17, 2014 4:42:09am

I think that one of the reasons that the GOP gets its supporters to engage in this reflexive immigrant-bashing is that they have a fundamentally mythical idea of how the economy works; they really believe in the ‘job creators’ bullshit.

Wealth comes from labor. Labor may be aided by capital, and is greatly aided by ideas and scientific discoveries, but the only way to actually produce wealth is for someone to roll up their sleeves and actually labor.

That’s what the people crossing the border represent: Labor. They represent people who will work a job, and in doing so, enrich society.

179 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 17, 2014 4:42:17am

re: #177 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Easily funded, just abolish the Department of Education, Environmental Protection Agency and another government agency I cannot think of right now…

…The IRS…

180 lawhawk  Jul 17, 2014 4:42:28am

re: #177 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Who do you think you are? Rick Perry? He of the 2% polling who is touted by media outlets as a possible contender for 2016. Yet, Hillary who polls near 60% is struggling.

The US media, and the professional punditry, suck.

181 Ryan King  Jul 17, 2014 4:43:14am

re: #177 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Easily funded, just abolish the Department of Education, Environmental Protection Agency and another government agency I cannot think of right now…

And the IRS. We need to abolish that!

Not sure who would collect taxes, but we’ll figure that out after we save all that money.

182 lawhawk  Jul 17, 2014 4:45:14am

re: #179 Pie-onist Overlord

Don’t get me started with that. They were busy complaining about the IRS scandal, yet they wont fund the audit division properly so that the IRS doesn’t need to use shortcuts to try and find entities that are trying to avoid tax by improperly obtaining nonprofit status or using tax avoidance measures they’re not entitled to.

183 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 17, 2014 4:45:21am

re: #181 Ryan King

And the IRS. We need to abolish that!

Not sure who would collect taxes, but we’ll figure that out after we save all that money.

HURR HURR FAIR TAX! 30% SALES TAX ON EVERYTHING U BUY!!!!!

Yes, this is actually their alternative to the IRS. I just can’t even.

184 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jul 17, 2014 4:45:23am

re: #181 Ryan King

And the IRS. We need to abolish that!

Not sure who would collect taxes, but we’ll figure that out after we save all that money.

Raise sales taxes!

/

185 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 17, 2014 4:47:06am

I’m still pissed about Nestle pumping all the water out of California.

186 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 17, 2014 4:57:18am

re: #185 Pie-onist Overlord

Hey, VB! Saw this on my twitter TL this morning:

187 Timothy Watson  Jul 17, 2014 5:02:25am

We were talking about Holocaust denialism a day or two ago, I thought someone might find this interesting:

Holocaust Museum opens UN archive on WWII crimes

188 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 17, 2014 5:04:04am

re: #186 Backwoods_Sleuth

Hey, VB! Saw this on my twitter TL this morning:

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Beautiful! Even though I’m not a big fan of artificial food coloring.

189 Decatur Deb  Jul 17, 2014 5:05:08am

re: #162 Targetpractice

Virtually every major migration into the US was due to a major event going on somewhere in the world that was driving people out of their home countries. Potato Famine, Great Depression, & the right of the Third Reich driving out European Jews being three notable events.

And flashback from the revolutions of 1848, amplified by the Potato Famine.

190 Decatur Deb  Jul 17, 2014 5:07:47am

re: #182 lawhawk

Don’t get me started with that. They were busy complaining about the IRS scandal, yet they wont fund the audit division properly so that the IRS doesn’t need to use shortcuts to try and find entities that are trying to avoid tax by improperly obtaining nonprofit status or using tax avoidance measures they’re not entitled to.

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Uh…You’re talking to the lady who voted SNAP cuts while extending her farm’s subsidy.

191 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 17, 2014 5:13:18am
192 wheat-dogghazi  Jul 17, 2014 5:23:35am

re: #189 Decatur Deb

And flashback from the revolutions of 1848, amplified by the Potato Famine.

Several million people from Sweden alone emigrated to America during the 19th century. Most Swedes have at least one cousin in America, whether they know it or not. I didn’t connect with mine until the Internet made genealogy a communal effort.

193 Targetpractice  Jul 17, 2014 5:30:33am

Doesn’t really come as a surprise. Windows 8 has been a disaster, XBox has been operating at a loss for years now, and their efforts at smart phones have failed to gain a large acceptance.

194 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Jul 17, 2014 5:42:35am

re: #193 Targetpractice

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Doesn’t really come as a surprise. Windows 8 has been a disaster, XBox has been operating at a loss for years now, and their efforts at smart phones have failed to gain a large acceptance.

And chromebooks and other netbooks have swooped in and finally provided a desktop alternative to Apple/Windows that really works, at least for that domain.

195 Dr Lizardo  Jul 17, 2014 5:42:41am

re: #193 Targetpractice

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Doesn’t really come as a surprise. Windows 8 has been a disaster, XBox has been operating at a loss for years now, and their efforts at smart phones have failed to gain a large acceptance.

WIndows 8 came loaded on my computer. After two weeks, I switched to Ubuntu, which is what I’ve been using for over the last year and half.

Linux: The ultimate Windows Service Pack.

196 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 17, 2014 5:57:01am
197 Franklin Brewsevelt  Jul 17, 2014 6:03:34am

Scott Brown: fallout from Hobby Lobby decision puts Senate bid in tight spot

I found Brown at a table at a restaurant called Priscilla’s, introduced myself as a Guardian reporter and enquired if I could ask him some questions. Brown smiled nervously and replied: “What do you want to ask me about?”

“Hobby Lobby? That would be a start,” I said.

“I’m all set,” he replied. “We’re enjoying ourselves right now.”

“But you’re standing for Senate. It is routine for journalists to ask you questions and usually the candidates answer.”

“Not without notifying my office.”

Brown stood up, walked to the back of the diner, and took shelter in the bathroom. A campaign aide, Jeremy, looked bewildered. He lingered beside me for a few moments, before politely excusing himself - “Nice to meet you” - and joining his boss in the bathroom.

Apparently a bit later at a campaign stop, someone (perhaps from Brown’s campaign) called the cops.

I don’t know if Officer Valley, from the Ossipee Police Department, had ever before been called to deal with an errant reporter. I do know he walked up to the porch with an amused look on his face. “How you doing?” he said, shaking everyone’s hand. “What’s up?”

None of the parties disputed the facts of the case. I was the journalist. My job was to ask questions. The man holed up inside the tavern was Scott Brown, a would-be senator who didn’t want to answer. I was eventually asked to leave. I left.

Officer Valley mulled over the situation before delivering his summary judgment. “There’s no crime,” he said. “No issue here at all.”

Good read…

198 Targetpractice  Jul 17, 2014 6:09:43am

re: #197 geoffm33

Scott Brown: fallout from Hobby Lobby decision puts Senate bid in tight spot

Apparently a bit later at a campaign stop, someone (perhaps from Brown’s campaign) called the cops.

Good read…

“I’m open to the voters…just so long as they don’t ask any questions.” The GOP in a nutshell.

199 wheat-dogghazi  Jul 17, 2014 6:24:23am

I had a person tweet me earlier today, saying that the US admitted 1.2 million legal immigrants last year. Of course, I had to check the facts. Turns out she was partly right.

Here’s some data extracted from the 2012 Yearbook of Immigration Statistics
PDF
Number of people granted legal permanent resident status: 1,031,631
which includes people with connections to someone already in the US and
New arrivals (no prior connection to USA): 484,072
Refugees: 58,179
People granted asylum: 29,484
Aliens apprehended: 643,474. Of these, 448,697 were from Mexico.
Non-immigrant admissions for work, study, tourism, etc.: 165,500,000

Of the 1.03 million people obtaining legal residency, more than half had prior connections to the USA, either through their occupations or family associations. In other words, these people just didn’t magically appear on our shores. They were already here, or had family who were already here.

Less than a half million were new arrivals — people with no prior family or job associations here, who came here alone. I would argue that these are “new” immigrants, and are equivalent to the millions of people who came to America in the 19th and early 20th century.

That’s half a million new people in a country of 315 million. A drop in the bucket, really. So is 1 million, for that matter.

As for the “ill eagles,” 640,000 were caught and most were returned. So, basically there was no net gain, according to the DHS, anyway.

Meanwhile, recent news reports estimate the “invasion” of Central American children numbers 53,000. That’s about one kid for every 6,000 Americans. Those must be some pretty powerful kids to put the fear of God in the RW.

200 wheat-dogghazi  Jul 17, 2014 6:31:48am

re: #198 Targetpractice

“I’m open to the voters…just so long as they don’t ask any questions.” The GOP in a nutshell.

A politician who can’t handle the media (meaning real journalists and not sycophants) has already lost the race. If you’re going to run and hide in the bathroom whenever a reporter approaches you, how in dog’s name can you expect to survive in Congress?

201 Rocky-in-Connecticut  Jul 17, 2014 6:32:18am

re: #109 BeachDem

I think there is going to be a lot of depression going on in the right wing during the next few years as the realization that Obama’s jack booted thugs aren’t really coming after all and all that $$$ money wasted on scary black guns could have been used to you know- go back to community college, buy a better car, start a small business, etc etc.

The real irony is that a lot of these guns are going to flood the market, depressing prices, and these people will have to rely on government assistance. I wish the right wing media would document this full-circle of their own nuttiness as it starts to happen, but taking stock of one’s failed ideology and beliefs has really never been one of their strong suits. It doesn’t quite match the Might Makes Right and Double Down strategies they’re famous for.

202 darthstar  Jul 17, 2014 6:34:04am

Heh…someone had fun with the default image for a news story.

Someone probably got a little talking to for using this image with the headline.

203 Targetpractice  Jul 17, 2014 6:34:42am

re: #200 wheat-dogghazi

A politician who can’t handle the media (meaning real journalists and not sycophants) has already lost the race. If you’re going to run and hide in the bathroom whenever a reporter approaches you, how in dog’s name can you expect to survive in Congress?

Charlie Pierce nicknamed (or at least popularized) Brown “Senator McDreamy” and that certainly seems to have defined the man so far: Appealing when viewed from afar and sells well on visual appeal. But if you actually dig deeper than the surface, you find out he’s just another used car salesman.

204 wheat-dogghazi  Jul 17, 2014 6:34:57am

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205 wheat-dogghazi  Jul 17, 2014 6:36:51am

re: #203 Targetpractice

Charlie Pierce nicknamed (or at least popularized) Brown “Senator McDreamy” and that certainly seems to have defined the man so far: Appealing when viewed from afar and sells well on visual appeal. But if you actually dig deeper than the surface, you find out he’s just another used car salesman.

I get the same vibe off Ted Cruz.

206 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 17, 2014 6:39:38am
207 Targetpractice  Jul 17, 2014 6:43:35am

re: #206 Backwoods_Sleuth

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They want to end DACA? Alright, then pass immigration reform. Oh wait, the Senate already did that. Perhaps Ted needs to take this up with Boehner.

208 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 17, 2014 6:48:52am

John Nolte is a horrible human being

209 darthstar  Jul 17, 2014 6:50:20am

Weird Al’s take on Lourde’s song “Royals” - pretty good…especially the second half (and yes, there’s even a lizard at the very end).

Youtube Video

210 darthstar  Jul 17, 2014 6:53:21am
211 Bulworth  Jul 17, 2014 6:53:39am

re:
#208

Nolte works for Breitbart News? Why would someone admit that?

212 wheat-dogghazi  Jul 17, 2014 6:54:37am

By the way, if you used Bing recently and saw this photo:

Aizhai Bridge, as featured on bing.com

That’s the Aizhai Bridge. I live about 40 minutes away.

213 Bulworth  Jul 17, 2014 6:54:55am

re:
#210

Damn. I just started charging my phone. Now I’ll have to wait to Twitter and follow this account.

214 Targetpractice  Jul 17, 2014 6:55:48am

The GOP establishment has been trying to convince voters that they’re really not just killing immigration reform dead, they’re just waiting until next year when they can get a “better” bill. Cruz’s stunt today would, in any sane world, rather nicely kill off that notion dead.

215 Bulworth  Jul 17, 2014 6:57:26am

re:
#214

And we just dont trust Obama…..

216 Dr. Matt  Jul 17, 2014 7:05:08am

2 Topless Strippers. #hubbahubba

217 Timothy Watson  Jul 17, 2014 7:06:44am

My favorite:

218 Targetpractice  Jul 17, 2014 7:08:06am

Hell, we should be thankful to Cruz. He’s actively trying to get the GOP to openly admit that it does not want any form of immigration reform besides “DEPORT’EM ALL!”

219 Romantic Heretic  Jul 17, 2014 7:13:47am

re: #100 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

Let’s see, we can either deport this kid at the cost of tens of thousands of dollars, back to an incredibly uncertain fate, or we can keep them around, educate them, and have them turn into a productive citizen.

Why would anyone go for option #1?

Because we must preserve our natural bodily fluids!

220 wheat-dogghazi  Jul 17, 2014 7:15:09am

The view from the top of my building this evening.

The rain has finally stopped!

221 Romantic Heretic  Jul 17, 2014 7:15:47am

re: #177 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Easily funded, just abolish the Department of Education, Environmental Protection Agency and another government agency I cannot think of right now…

Everything except the armed forces!

Which we need to keep the poorz and blahs in line when things go to hell.

222 Decatur Deb  Jul 17, 2014 7:16:43am

re: #217 Timothy Watson

My favorite:

What the Children Fleeing Central America Could Learn From a Responsible Refugee Like Ted Cruz’s Dad

If they’re all coming here to become nutjob theocratic con artists, then I’m joining the tea party.

223 Romantic Heretic  Jul 17, 2014 7:19:43am

re: #183 Pie-onist Overlord

HURR HURR FAIR TAX! 30% SALES TAX ON EVERYTHING U BUY!!!!!

Yes, this is actually their alternative to the IRS. I just can’t even.

So, they support raising the price of everything they buy by 30%?

Somehow, I don’t believe they thought this thing through.

Oh wait. They’re no more capable of thought than the computer I’m typing this on. Like a computer data goes in, is manipulated by their programming and then actions are performed. All data not covered under the programming is rejected.

224 Timothy Watson  Jul 17, 2014 7:21:05am

re: #223 Romantic Heretic

So, they support raising the price of everything they buy by 30%?

Somehow, I don’t believe they thought this thing through.

Oh wait. They’re no more capable of thought than the computer I’m typing this on. Like a computer data goes in, is manipulated by their programming and then actions are performed. All data not covered under the programming is rejected.

BUT THE POORS WILL PAY THEIR FAIR SHARE WITH A SALES TAX!!1!!

225 Gus  Jul 17, 2014 7:22:31am
226 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 17, 2014 7:24:16am

re: #223 Romantic Heretic

So, they support raising the price of everything they buy by 30%?

Somehow, I don’t believe they thought this thing through.

Oh wait. They’re no more capable of thought than the computer I’m typing this on. Like a computer data goes in, is manipulated by their programming and then actions are performed. All data not covered under the programming is rejected.

The Fairtaxers I have had contact with are just as bugfuck crazy as chemtrailers and anti-vaxxers. In fact a lot of Fairtaxers are also chemtrailers & antivaxxers.

227 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 17, 2014 7:25:21am

*THROWS DESK OUT WINDOW*

228 ObserverArt  Jul 17, 2014 7:25:29am

re: #182 lawhawk

Don’t get me started with that. They were busy complaining about the IRS scandal, yet they wont fund the audit division properly so that the IRS doesn’t need to use shortcuts to try and find entities that are trying to avoid tax by improperly obtaining nonprofit status or using tax avoidance measures they’re not entitled to.

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I think the reason people complained when they heard of the supposed scandal is because they hate taxes. Especially conservatives. They have hated taxation for as long as I can remember. Once Obama came into office and the Tea Party came to the forefront it was a shared hatred because of the Kenyan Black guy.

Taxed Enough Already

So, with the pre-loaded hate anything that came up about the IRS was going to be bought even if the facts proved otherwise. And I do believe the TPGOP politician types knew it.

Immigration is another. Spying another. Gun Control (or the impression of gun malarky like Fast and Furious) They are all ready made scandal machines fit to slime the President (or Democrats)…no facts needed.

229 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 17, 2014 7:26:11am

They’re going to be Twitting the $50 million LIE forever and ever.

230 wheat-dogghazi  Jul 17, 2014 7:26:25am

Two more. I liked the combinations of colors and textures in the clouds. Still playing with post processing to get the right effect.

Just a hint of blue

231 wheat-dogghazi  Jul 17, 2014 7:27:23am

re: #227 Pie-onist Overlord

*THROWS DESK OUT WINDOW*

I’d do the same, but my window is too small for the desk to fit through.

232 Targetpractice  Jul 17, 2014 7:28:42am

re: #229 Pie-onist Overlord

They’re going to be Twitting the $50 million LIE forever and ever.

Just another zombie lie.

233 Gus  Jul 17, 2014 7:29:03am

re: #229 Pie-onist Overlord

They’re going to be Twitting the $50 million LIE forever and ever.

234 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 17, 2014 7:29:04am

PASS ME ANOTHER DESK PLEASE

235 Targetpractice  Jul 17, 2014 7:30:10am

re: #234 Pie-onist Overlord

PASS ME ANOTHER DESK PLEASE

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Alouette, I think it’s time we had a talk. You have a desk throwing problem and you need help.

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236 Romantic Heretic  Jul 17, 2014 7:30:41am

re: #232 Targetpractice

Just another zombie lie.

And unlike regular zombies they can’t be stopped by shooting them in the head with a shotgun or taking off said head with a machete.

Fanatics lies are more like The Blob or The Thing.

237 ObserverArt  Jul 17, 2014 7:30:54am

re: #191 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Wow. Do people know what water into the engine’s induction system (water instead of air) does?

If there is enough it can hydraulic the heads right off the block…or at the very least blow all the gaskets…or even take it out of the bearings on the lower end or in the connecting rods. Complete ruination.

With the photos I’ve seen of people doing this, I wonder how many new engines are needed this year.

238 Feline Fearless Leader  Jul 17, 2014 7:31:20am

re: #235 Targetpractice

Alouette, I think it’s time we had a talk. You have a desk throwing problem and you need help.

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We won’t go into the issue of her having a ground-level office…

239 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 17, 2014 7:31:22am

re: #235 Targetpractice

Alouette, I think it’s time we had a talk. You have a desk throwing problem and you need help.

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My biceps are like cantaloupes!

241 ObserverArt  Jul 17, 2014 7:34:13am

re: #196 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Damn. A buddy and I were talking about him just a few days ago and how he seemed to have gotten himself into a better place health wise.

Very sad. I’m gonna have to listen to Johnny Winter And Live tonight. It was the album that really turned me on to him a long time ago.

: (

242 wheat-dogghazi  Jul 17, 2014 7:36:06am

re: #235 Targetpractice

Alouette, I think it’s time we had a talk. You have a desk throwing problem and you need help.

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Does anyone here remember Indiana coach Bobby Knight? He had a thing with chairs.

243 wheat-dogghazi  Jul 17, 2014 7:37:31am

re: #233 Gus

You need to point out the project has been abandoned, too. Thanks to THE Gateway Pundit’s trail of lies

244 Stanley Sea  Jul 17, 2014 7:38:04am

re: #241 ObserverArt

Damn. A buddy and I were talking about him just a few days ago and how he seemed to have gotten himself into a better place health wise.

Very sad. I’m gonna have to listen to Johnny Winter And Live tonight. It was the album that really turned me on to him a long time ago.

: (

I saw him like 15 years ago - he looked ROUGH then (after the show we ran into him @ the bus) He could barely walk. But damn, he could still play.

RIP.

245 ObserverArt  Jul 17, 2014 7:40:20am

re: #231 wheat-dogghazi

I’d do the same, but my window is too small for the desk to fit through.

Well, if enough anger builds up there is a good chance the desk is going to end up in tiny pieces. And then you can throw those out the window!

: )

246 Gus  Jul 17, 2014 7:41:09am

re: #243 wheat-dogghazi

You need to point out the project has been abandoned, too. Thanks to THE Gateway Pundit’s trail of lies

Yeah, anyway, that guy is a serious wingnut.

247 wrenchwench  Jul 17, 2014 7:41:32am
248 BlueSpotinAL  Jul 17, 2014 7:43:26am

re: #234 Pie-onist Overlord

PASS ME ANOTHER DESK PLEASE

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Actually, Archie comics was illustrated by a guy who did Spire Christian Comics. A popular series, as I am sure we all remember reading them as kids.

249 Bulworth  Jul 17, 2014 7:43:52am

re:
#229

Hurr hurr FAKE but ACCURATE!!!!11

250 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 17, 2014 7:44:58am
251 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 17, 2014 7:46:40am
252 Feline Fearless Leader  Jul 17, 2014 7:46:45am

re: #250 Backwoods_Sleuth

WTF. The most “American” thing is to emulate a Communist German regime. Who built a wall to keep their citizenry in from getting to the West easily.

That’s not even wrong.

253 wheat-dogghazi  Jul 17, 2014 7:47:29am

re: #248 BlueSpotinAL

Actually, Archie comics was illustrated by a guy who did Spire Christian Comics. A popular series, as I am sure we all remember reading them as kids.

I was a heathen. Never saw ‘em.

254 Bulworth  Jul 17, 2014 7:48:59am

re:
#234

Remember as a youngster snuggling up under the covers or laying across the bed after pulling out a stack of your favorite comics? Superman. Batman. Wonder Woman. Casper the Friendly Ghost. And almost everyone’s favorite from Riverdale High – Archie!

No, actually, I don’t remember, Matt. I didn’t read comics much. But what were you doing under the covers with the Wonder Woman comics? Hey, I’m just asking questions here….

255 Franklin Brewsevelt  Jul 17, 2014 7:50:34am

re: #251 Pie-onist Overlord

So I looked into the repeal, and HuffPo buries this nugget down near the bottom:

Labor’s popularity plummeted, particularly when consumers saw their power bills soar. In reality, the tax accounted for a relatively small portion of that increase, but many blamed it for the hike nonetheless.

huffingtonpost.com

256 Timothy Watson  Jul 17, 2014 7:51:20am

re: #254 Bulworth

re:
#234

No, actually, I don’t remember, Matt. I didn’t read comics much. But what were you doing under the covers with the Wonder Woman comics? Hey, I’m just asking questions here….

I’m more curious what he might have been doing with Batman/Robin…

257 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 17, 2014 7:53:34am
258 wrenchwench  Jul 17, 2014 7:55:04am

re: #257 Pie-onist Overlord

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What does Snowden know about journalism? Look who he picked to work with.

259 Feline Fearless Leader  Jul 17, 2014 7:55:28am

re: #254 Bulworth

re:
#234

No, actually, I don’t remember, Matt. I didn’t read comics much. But what were you doing under the covers with the Wonder Woman comics? Hey, I’m just asking questions here….

I never did the comic book thing either. By the time we were in the 9-12 “classic” age for them we were reading full-fledged books. My older sister did the Nancy Drew thing, but I was reading whatever my older siblings and parents had around, the family collection of National Geographic, or what I picked out in the local public library. (And I discovered their science fiction section about age 12, started on Isaac Asimov and Keith Laumer, and never looked back.)

260 Feline Fearless Leader  Jul 17, 2014 7:56:05am

re: #258 wrenchwench

What does Snowden know about journalism? Look who he picked to work with.

Him and Greenwald keep using that word. I don’t think it means what they think it does.

261 Bulworth  Jul 17, 2014 7:56:43am

So evidently the Archie comic book deal is a real thing and wingnuts haz the sad about character’s embrace of characters who are teh gay and like gun control.

nydailynews.com

This signals the end of American civilization if true, god-fearing Muricans don’t rise up and worship zombie Reagan.

262 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 17, 2014 7:57:04am
263 Timothy Watson  Jul 17, 2014 7:57:24am

Every time I see a picture of Todd Akin, it reminds of Julian Glover as Walter Donovan in Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade. Anyone else have this problem?

264 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 17, 2014 7:59:34am
265 Timothy Watson  Jul 17, 2014 8:00:35am

re: #259 Feline Fearless Leader

I never did the comic book thing either. By the time we were in the 9-12 “classic” age for them we were reading full-fledged books. My older sister did the Nancy Drew thing, but I was reading whatever my older siblings and parents had around, the family collection of National Geographic, or what I picked out in the local public library. (And I discovered their science fiction section about age 12, started on Isaac Asimov and Keith Laumer, and never looked back.)

I was never a big fan of comic books as books, I did enjoy a bunch of the animated shows they had in the ’90s (X-Men, Batman: The Animated Series, Spider-Man, etc.). I think the only actual comic books I had as a kid was a copy of Star Wars: Dark Empire and the companion comic that was released for Batman: Mask of the Phantasm.

I did read a lot of Star Wars EU, Tom Clancy, etc.

266 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 17, 2014 8:01:33am

TEH MOAST DUDEBRO FACE EVER:

267 Gus  Jul 17, 2014 8:01:47am

re: #264 Pie-onist Overlord

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268 wrenchwench  Jul 17, 2014 8:05:33am

re: #262 Backwoods_Sleuth

Is the BBQ one NSFW? (July 16 on The Poke’s feed.)

269 Targetpractice  Jul 17, 2014 8:07:51am

re: #261 Bulworth

So evidently the Archie comic book deal is a real thing and wingnuts haz the sad about character’s embrace of characters who are teh gay and like gun control.

nydailynews.com

This signals the end of American civilization if true, god-fearing Muricans don’t rise up and worship zombie Reagan.

If there’s one thing we’ve learned over the years, it’s that conservatives hate anything that suggests that life exists outside of an idyllic, never-changing past. Remember when a lot of folks wigged out a few years back over the news that Archie comics was going to show him finally getting married to one of the girls? Despite it turning out that the whole thing was a hypothetical future, or rather two hypothetical futures, that had no bearing on the main comic?

270 Bulworth  Jul 17, 2014 8:08:38am

re:
#257

Snowden’s a journalist now?

271 Stanley Sea  Jul 17, 2014 8:12:23am

re: #268 wrenchwench

Is the BBQ one NSFW? (July 16 on The Poke’s feed.)

HAHA

272 Decatur Deb  Jul 17, 2014 8:14:05am

re: #248 BlueSpotinAL

Actually, Archie comics was illustrated by a guy who did Spire Christian Comics. A popular series, as I am sure we all remember reading them as kids.

I read nothing in the ’50s except Classics Illustrated, so I could grow up and sound literate on the Intertubes.

273 wrenchwench  Jul 17, 2014 8:15:13am

re: #271 Stanley Sea

HAHA

I could try a Spoiler tag…

274 wheat-dogghazi  Jul 17, 2014 8:15:36am

re: #269 Targetpractice

If there’s one thing we’ve learned over the years, it’s that conservatives hate anything that suggests that life exists outside of an idyllic, never-changing past. Remember when a lot of folks wigged out a few years back over the news that Archie comics was going to show him finally getting married to one of the girls? Despite it turning out that the whole thing was a hypothetical future, or rather two hypothetical futures, that had no bearing on the main comic?

They want everything to remain as it was at some undefined point in the past, for eternity. Anytime the comics get the least bit modern, the conservatives get all twitchy.

Which female RW pundit was it who accused the latest movie Superman of being too emotional and “soft?” It was before Man of Steel, in which he offed Gen. Zod — emotionally, of course.

275 Gus  Jul 17, 2014 8:16:01am

re: #270 Bulworth

re:
#257

Snowden’s a journalist now?

Snowden can be anything with his magic hat.

276 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 17, 2014 8:16:27am

re: #268 wrenchwench

Is the BBQ one NSFW? (July 16 on The Poke’s feed.)

I don’t see that one, but I didn’t click any further than the riding photos for July 17.

277 wrenchwench  Jul 17, 2014 8:18:20am

Possibly NSFW:

Spoiler
278 A Mom Anon  Jul 17, 2014 8:18:35am

re: #227 Pie-onist Overlord

And I am totally sure that place looks JUST like that today, since it’s been sitting empty for over a year.

I really think that it’s a miracle these idiots don’t hurt themselves pouring a bowl of cereal in the morning.

279 Timothy Watson  Jul 17, 2014 8:19:19am

re: #274 wheat-dogghazi

They want everything to remain as it was at some undefined point in the past, for eternity. Anytime the comics get the least bit modern, the conservatives get all twitchy.

Which female RW pundit was it who accused the latest movie Superman of being too emotional and “soft?” It was before Man of Steel, in which he offed Gen. Zod — emotionally, of course.

I thought it was funnier than hell a year or so ago when one of the RWNJ figured out that X-Men and the fear of mutants in the comics/shows/movies was directly alluded to homophobia by the creators.

280 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 17, 2014 8:19:41am

re: #277 wrenchwench

Possibly NSFW:

[Embedded content]

Oh yes, saw that one on twitter yesterday.
:D

281 wheat-dogghazi  Jul 17, 2014 8:20:32am

re: #279 Timothy Watson

I thought it was funnier than hell a year or so ago when one of the RWNJ figured out that X-Men and the fear of mutants in the comics/shows/movies was directly compared to homophobia by the creators.

It could also represent their fear of brown-skinned immigrants who speak other languages than English.

282 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Jul 17, 2014 8:20:43am

Todd “Legitimate Rape” Aikin is back, “Legitimate Rape” a law enforcement term

*facepalm*

I heard the interview this morning and almost did a headdesk.

283 Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 17, 2014 8:20:46am

re: #270 Bulworth

re:
#257

Snowden’s a journalist now?

And apparently a software developer too.

284 wrenchwench  Jul 17, 2014 8:20:49am

I reported media, unfollowed someone who retweeted, and blocked the previous tweeter of a photo that should not have been tweeted a short time ago.

285 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 17, 2014 8:21:59am

Malaysian passenger plane crashes in Ukraine near Russian border -Ifax

286 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Jul 17, 2014 8:22:00am

re: #281 wheat-dogghazi

I always thought they were alluding to fear of anyone different or any “other” than the status quo.

287 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 17, 2014 8:23:00am

re: #274 wheat-dogghazi

They want everything to remain as it was at some undefined point in the past, for eternity. Anytime the comics get the least bit modern, the conservatives get all twitchy.

Which female RW pundit was it who accused the latest movie Superman of being too emotional and “soft?” It was before Man of Steel, in which he offed Gen. Zod — emotionally, of course.

They would be totally freaking out over Thor being a woman, if they weren’t still freaking out over the $50 MILLION RESORT FOR TEH ILLEGALS!!!!!!

288 Timothy Watson  Jul 17, 2014 8:23:25am

re: #281 wheat-dogghazi

It could also represent their fear of brown-skinned immigrants who speak other languages than English.

True, but the “coming out” scene in X2 was written with the assistance of Ian McKellen and the metaphor was clear to anyone with an IQ above 70 points.

289 wrenchwench  Jul 17, 2014 8:24:19am

re: #285 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]

Malaysian passenger plane crashes in Ukraine near Russian border -Ifax

oshit

290 sagehen  Jul 17, 2014 8:29:06am

re: #285 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]

Malaysian passenger plane crashes in Ukraine near Russian border -Ifax

Malaysian’s having a bad year, huh?

291 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 17, 2014 8:29:25am

re: #289 wrenchwench

oshit

Flight MH17 flying from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur.

292 Decatur Deb  Jul 17, 2014 8:30:23am

re: #282 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

Todd “Legitimate Rape” Aikin is back, “Legitimate Rape” a law enforcement term

*facepalm*

I heard the interview this morning and almost did a headdesk.

Please proceed. Please, please, please…

293 wrenchwench  Jul 17, 2014 8:30:45am

re: #291 Backwoods_Sleuth

Flight MH17 flying from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur.

294 sagehen  Jul 17, 2014 8:30:51am

re: #288 Timothy Watson

True, but the “coming out” scene in X2 was written with the assistance of Ian McKellen and the metaphor was clear to anyone with an IQ above 70 points.

Biblical literalists are not famillar with the concept of metaphor.

295 William Barnett-Lewis  Jul 17, 2014 8:31:11am

Odds on a missile causing the crash?

296 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 17, 2014 8:31:24am

oh…crap…
looking for confirmation as to what happened to the plane.

297 makeitstop  Jul 17, 2014 8:31:59am

re: #266 Pie-onist Overlord

TEH MOAST DUDEBRO FACE EVER:

[Embedded content]

Encryption tools with a special backdoor, made just for Russian intel.
/ (half)

298 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 17, 2014 8:32:15am

re: #293 wrenchwench

[Embedded content]

299 Decatur Deb  Jul 17, 2014 8:32:35am

re: #295 William Barnett-Lewis

Odds on a missile causing the crash?

Because it’s a US manufacturer, NTSB will offer assistance.

300 Romantic Heretic  Jul 17, 2014 8:33:37am

re: #298 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]

Damn, I hope that’s not true.

Definitely need to use the twenty four hour rule on this.

301 Timothy Watson  Jul 17, 2014 8:34:11am

re: #298 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]

Oh shit.

302 wrenchwench  Jul 17, 2014 8:34:40am

re: #298 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]

From wiki

The Buk missile system (Russian: “Бук”; beech, /bʊk/ BOOK) is a family of self-propelled, medium-range surface-to-air missile systems developed by the former Soviet Union and Russian Federation and designed to engage cruise missiles, smart bombs, fixed- and rotary-wing aircraft, and unmanned aerial vehicles.[2]

303 Dr Lizardo  Jul 17, 2014 8:35:32am

re: #295 William Barnett-Lewis

Odds on a missile causing the crash?

If that was a shootdown, God help Russia, because the shit’s gonna hit the fan.

304 piratedan  Jul 17, 2014 8:36:39am

re: #266 Pie-onist Overlord

Maybe he can develop some sort of self-serving e-mail retention app? ////

305 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 17, 2014 8:37:24am

Isn’t Interfax a Russian news agency?

306 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 17, 2014 8:38:33am

BBC doing live updates.

307 Bulworth  Jul 17, 2014 8:39:38am

re:
#303

I wonder why they would deliberately shoot down a Malaysian plane though.

308 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 17, 2014 8:40:22am
309 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Jul 17, 2014 8:40:48am

re: #308 Backwoods_Sleuth

Yeah this is not gonna be good.

310 makeitstop  Jul 17, 2014 8:40:50am

SFGate has got a good piece from Mark Morford this morning.

Clearly I’m missing something, a huge bed of terrifying data to prove all these respectable charts and graphs wrong. But where is it? I’ve heard Mr. Newport Beach’s bizarre lament a thousand times, but I’ve yet to see a solid batch of evidence that proves Obama’s outright failure, or the nation’s savage decline. I see a blip about food stamps, I see a few weak economic signs here and there, but mostly, since 2009, it all’s been somewhere between timidly and shockingly positive. Did God smite us for gay marriage? Did the abortion factories, death panels and Nazi Kenyan socialist brain-washing farms steal my very soul? Hard to tell with all this perfect sunshine in my eyes.

The bottom line seems obvious: Much to the GOP’s bitter revulsion, it turns out a calm, intellectual black man really can run an entire country - certainly far better than an inarticulate Texas bumbler, and even in the face of what is easily the most obstructionist, hateful, acidic and often downright racist Congress in modern memory.

The Best Worst President Ever

311 Feline Fearless Leader  Jul 17, 2014 8:41:49am

re: #282 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

Todd “Legitimate Rape” Aikin is back, “Legitimate Rape” a law enforcement term

*facepalm*

I heard the interview this morning and almost did a headdesk.

You still have a desk? I thought another Lizard had already thrown them all out of the window!
/// ;P

312 Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 17, 2014 8:41:55am

re: #305 Backwoods_Sleuth

Isn’t Interfax a Russian news agency?

Yes, non government. Itar-Tass I think is the government one.

313 iossarian  Jul 17, 2014 8:42:38am

Can’t imagine FIFA is thrilled with this latest development in Russian diplomacy.

314 Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 17, 2014 8:42:50am

re: #307 Bulworth

re:
#303

I wonder why they would deliberately shoot down a Malaysian plane though.

Only reason I can think of is that they thought it was something besides a Malaysian Passenger Jet.

Could also be a test gone real, REAL bad.

315 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 17, 2014 8:43:26am

Fromm the BBC live update link:

16:36: The BBC’s Daniel Sandford in Moscow says that the area in which the plane is reported to have come down is right in the centre of the area controlled by anti-Kiev rebels - although of course details are still coming in.

316 Decatur Deb  Jul 17, 2014 8:44:13am

re: #314 Eclectic Cyborg

Only reason I can think of is that they thought it was something besides a Malaysian Passenger Jet.

Could also be a test gone real, REAL bad.

“There’s always some sonofabitch who didn’t get the message.”

317 Stanley Sea  Jul 17, 2014 8:44:55am

re: #303 Dr Lizardo

If that was a shootdown, God help Russia, because the shit’s gonna hit the fan.

shit.

318 blueraven  Jul 17, 2014 8:46:39am

Holy crap!

Must remember though, a lot of initial info is wrong.

But holy shit!

319 Decatur Deb  Jul 17, 2014 8:49:51am

This is obviously, in some nefarious way, Obama’s fault.

320 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 17, 2014 8:51:27am

re: #319 Decatur Deb

This is obviously, in some nefarious way, Obama’s fault.

IT’S A DISTRACTION FROM BENGHAZI!!!!!!

321 Dr Lizardo  Jul 17, 2014 8:55:00am

Check this shit out.

322 Decatur Deb  Jul 17, 2014 8:55:31am

re: #320 Pie-onist Overlord

IT’S A DISTRACTION FROM BENGHAZI!!!!!!

Never fear, Freep has it covered:

To: CMB_polarization
“This time in history is the safest and least violent to be born” - BHO

“If you want to keep your doctor, you can keep your doctor” - BHO

“The first time I heard about (anything) is watching CNN” - BHO

Oh, what a leader!

323 sagehen  Jul 17, 2014 8:57:08am

re: #314 Eclectic Cyborg

Only reason I can think of is that they thought it was something besides a Malaysian Passenger Jet.

Could also be a test gone real, REAL bad.

Of there was a particular passenger on the jet, or a particular something something in the cargo…

324 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jul 17, 2014 9:09:25am

re: #311 Feline Fearless Leader

You still have a desk? I thought another Lizard had already thrown them all out of the window!
/// ;P

(╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻

325 RealityBasedSteve  Jul 17, 2014 9:13:22am

re: #283 Eclectic Cyborg

And apparently a software developer too.

he’s also a floor wax and a delicious dessert topping.

RBS

326 Eventual Carrion  Jul 17, 2014 9:22:45am

re: #252 Feline Fearless Leader

WTF. The most “American” thing is to emulate a Communist German regime. Who built a wall to keep their citizenry in from getting to the West easily.

That’s not even wrong.

Maybe we can get Russian contractors to build it.

327 Eventual Carrion  Jul 17, 2014 10:06:37am

re: #314 Eclectic Cyborg

Only reason I can think of is that they thought it was something besides a Malaysian Passenger Jet.

Could also be a test gone real, REAL bad.

Or giving powerful weapons to poorly trained individuals.


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