Malaysia Airlines Plane Crashes in Eastern Ukraine - Possible Missile Attack

A possible attack with an advanced Russian surface-to-air missile
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Very bad news from Ukraine, where a Malaysia Airlines passenger plane with 295 people aboard has reportedly been shot down by Ukrainian separatists.

KIEV, Ukraine (AP) — A Ukrainian official said a Malaysian passenger plane carrying 295 people was shot down Thursday over a town in the east of the country.

Anton Gerashenko, an adviser to Ukraine’s Interior Minister, said on his Facebook page the plane was flying at an altitude of 10,000 meters (33,000 feet) when it was hit by a missile fired from a Buk launcher. A similar launcher was seen by Associated Press journalists near the eastern Ukrainian town of Snizhne earlier Thursday.

As with all stories like this we need to be skeptical of early reports, but this isn’t looking good. Check the comments for this thread for further updates.

UPDATE at 7/17/14 8:57:33 am by Charles Johnson

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1 Franklin Brewsevelt  Jul 17, 2014 8:58:34am

Not that this crew needs this reenforced, but bears repeating:

As with all stories like this we need to be skeptical of early reports, but this isn’t looking good.

2 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 17, 2014 9:01:55am

Fake video already popped up on YouTube

3 NJDhockeyfan  Jul 17, 2014 9:02:28am
4 Dr Lizardo  Jul 17, 2014 9:05:26am

re: #3 NJDhockeyfan

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Check this out:

5 Charles Johnson  Jul 17, 2014 9:05:27am
6 wheat-dogghazi  Jul 17, 2014 9:07:04am

The Straits Times of Singapore and the Star of Malaysia are reporting the same news about the plane being down in Ukraine, and the possibility it was shot down.

No further details yet.

7 wheat-dogghazi  Jul 17, 2014 9:10:10am

I have questions.

Is it possible for a BUK missile to shoot down a plane flying at 10,000 meters?

If so, would the plane have crashed within rebel-held Ukraine? It was flying at normal cruising speed, I’d assume, about 550-600 mph.

8 Charles Johnson  Jul 17, 2014 9:11:53am
9 NJDhockeyfan  Jul 17, 2014 9:12:15am

re: #4 Dr Lizardo

Check this out:

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The exact same pictures of the Malaysian plane. How about that?

10 Charles Johnson  Jul 17, 2014 9:12:16am
11 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jul 17, 2014 9:12:47am
12 The War TARDIS  Jul 17, 2014 9:13:25am

Damn Russia

13 NJDhockeyfan  Jul 17, 2014 9:13:28am
14 Dr Lizardo  Jul 17, 2014 9:13:33am

re: #9 NJDhockeyfan

The exact same pictures of the Malaysian plane. How about that?

WHAT AN ASTONISHING COINCIDENCE!!

////

There’s gonna be hell to pay for this. This is a major international incident.

15 Timothy Watson  Jul 17, 2014 9:13:56am

re: #7 wheat-dogghazi

I have questions.

Is it possible for a BUK missile to shoot down a plane flying at 10,000 meters?

If so, would the plane have crashed within rebel-held Ukraine? It was flying at normal cruising speed, I’d assume, about 550-600 mph.

According to Wikipedia, max engagement altitude varies from 11,000 meters (36,000 feet) to 25,0000 meters (82,000 feet) depending on the model.

16 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jul 17, 2014 9:14:07am

re: #11 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

The terrorists were boasting that they repaired their Buk.

17 Charles Johnson  Jul 17, 2014 9:14:09am

Meanwhile:

This sounds like an outrageous lie.

18 wheat-dogghazi  Jul 17, 2014 9:16:04am

re: #15 Timothy Watson

According to Wikipedia, max engagement altitude varies from 11,000 meters (36,000 feet) to 25,0000 meters (82,000 feet) depending on the model.

Shit.

19 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 17, 2014 9:16:09am
20 wrenchwench  Jul 17, 2014 9:16:11am

re: #10 Charles Johnson

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There’s the ‘Obama’s fault’, at least in part.

21 NJDhockeyfan  Jul 17, 2014 9:16:50am
22 Charles Johnson  Jul 17, 2014 9:16:54am
23 missliberties  Jul 17, 2014 9:16:57am

Jim Hoft sez this was orchestrated by the Obama administration to distract from the invasion of brown children into the US. You know it’s true.

24 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 17, 2014 9:17:37am

Todd Starnes is making a bunch of jokes. What a horrible human being.

25 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jul 17, 2014 9:18:18am

Russia and the terrorists it supports will of course claim that it was the Ukrainian army.

26 Charles Johnson  Jul 17, 2014 9:19:12am
27 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 17, 2014 9:19:48am

re: #25 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

Russia and the terrorists it supports will of course claim that it was the Ukrainian army.

28 piratedan  Jul 17, 2014 9:19:52am

re: #24 Pie-onist Overlord

Todd Starnes is making a bunch of jokes. What a horrible human being.

not sure how much is joking… these folks apparently have no issue whatsoever turning any event, be the cause man-made or from nature itself, into a way to skewer the POTUS. Really really small people who have to see everything thru that lens.

29 Charles Johnson  Jul 17, 2014 9:20:05am
30 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jul 17, 2014 9:21:34am

re: #27 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Nor did they have any need to. It is Strelkov’s terrorists who are known to have downed quite a few planes lately.

31 Charles Johnson  Jul 17, 2014 9:21:48am
32 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 17, 2014 9:21:54am
33 Bulworth  Jul 17, 2014 9:23:58am

re:
#26

And you know what? Todd Starnes is one of those self-described “Christians” who are so persecuted these days. He’s the author of a “book”, which mourns the supposed “godlessness” of today’s America.

amazon.com

Makes sense, doesn’t it? We need moar traditional values in our public square like those represented by Todd Starnes.

/

34 wrenchwench  Jul 17, 2014 9:24:22am

This was upfront of them (via TPM)

35 blueraven  Jul 17, 2014 9:25:41am
36 Bulworth  Jul 17, 2014 9:25:49am

re:
#28

Hey, hey, Todd Starnes represents “traditional Christian American values” and since he’s a “Christian” he and his friends are viciously persecuted in today’s America. So don’t anyone go persecuting him over his tweets. That would be making Amercia moar godless.
//

37 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 17, 2014 9:26:40am

re: #33 Bulworth

re:
#26

And you know what? Todd Starnes is one of those self-described “Christians” who are so persecuted these days. He’s the author of a “book”, which mourns the supposed “godlessness” of today’s America.

amazon.com

Makes sense, doesn’t it? We need moar traditional values in our public square like those represented by Todd Starnes.

/

He made up a whole bunch of fake stories about KINDERGARTEN TEACHER WON’T LET LITTLE GIRL PRAY TO JESUS AT SNACK TIME!!!!!!

38 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jul 17, 2014 9:26:54am

The path and the time correspond to the terrorist boasts of having downed AN-26 over Torez:

39 Bulworth  Jul 17, 2014 9:28:03am

Todd Starnes is a classy, well informed young man with good traditional American Christian values who loves America but hates its president and most of the people in it. /

40 wheat-dogghazi  Jul 17, 2014 9:28:14am

Image: o-FLIGHT-TRACKER-570.jpg

This map puts it east of Donetsk, and near Torez.

41 wrenchwench  Jul 17, 2014 9:28:57am
42 Bulworth  Jul 17, 2014 9:28:59am

I look forward to moar traditional values tweets from Todd Starnes as the crisis in the Ukraine continues. ////

43 Ryan King  Jul 17, 2014 9:30:32am

Starnes is a sick person.

As for the crash, what’s even more odious is that the crash site is in a war zone so recovery and investigation will be hampered.

44 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jul 17, 2014 9:31:31am

re: #41 wrenchwench

It certainly was by mistake. But this kind of mistake means that the terrorists should be “cleansed” as soon as possible. So that they don’t have a chance to repeat such a mistake.

45 Charles Johnson  Jul 17, 2014 9:31:41am
46 Gus  Jul 17, 2014 9:31:48am
47 wrenchwench  Jul 17, 2014 9:32:31am

re: #44 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

It certainly was by mistake. But this kind of mistake means that the terrorists should be “cleansed” as soon as possible. So that they don’t have a chance to repeat such a mistake.

Yes indeed.

48 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 17, 2014 9:33:17am

Russia Today’s twitter TL is horrible.

49 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jul 17, 2014 9:33:27am

I read about 23 US citizens.

50 wheat-dogghazi  Jul 17, 2014 9:33:42am
PETALING JAYA: Defence Minister Datuk Seri Hishammuddin Hussein says he has instructed the military to get confirmation on the fate of Malaysian Airlines flight MH17, which was reportedly shot down in Ukraine.

In a series of tweets, he said he was in touch with the Transport Ministry in order to verify the information, and urged people not to speculate.
“No confirmation it was shot down! Our military have been instructed 2 get on it,” he said in response to a tweet saying that the plane had been shot down by rebel forces.

thestar.com.my

51 NJDhockeyfan  Jul 17, 2014 9:33:54am
52 Bulworth  Jul 17, 2014 9:34:10am

If we had moar god in America and moar true traditional Americans like Todd Starnes in America his crash in the Ukraine wouldn’t have happened. ////

53 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 17, 2014 9:35:07am
54 Gus  Jul 17, 2014 9:35:34am
55 NJDhockeyfan  Jul 17, 2014 9:35:39am

re: #48 Backwoods_Sleuth

Russia Today’s twitter TL is horrible.

So is Russia Lifenews’s twitter acct. They are posting pictures of the wreckage showing bodies strewn all over the place.

56 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 17, 2014 9:35:48am
57 thedopefishlives  Jul 17, 2014 9:36:07am

I admit I’m a bit of a noob in the field of international politics, but isn’t shooting down someone else’s civilian airliner generally considered a major diplomatic incident?

58 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 17, 2014 9:36:09am
59 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jul 17, 2014 9:36:58am

Russian pro-Putin demagogue activist Kurginyan has confirmed a few days ago that the “separatists” have Buk.

Youtube Video

60 wrenchwench  Jul 17, 2014 9:37:10am

re: #54 Gus

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They look like BEES.

61 William Barnett-Lewis  Jul 17, 2014 9:37:17am

Yeah, looking too like my knee jerk query downstairs was right. Time for me to sleep before work tonight. I’ll check in later to see what has been figured out.

How long till the gun nutz blame Obama’s sanctions against Russian arms makers for this?

62 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jul 17, 2014 9:37:51am

re: #55 NJDhockeyfan

So is Russia Lifenews’s twitter acct. They are posting pictures of the wreckage showing bodies strewn all over the place.

Whenever Lifenews or RT appears in the area, await trouble.

63 Timothy Watson  Jul 17, 2014 9:37:57am

re: #57 thedopefishlives

I admit I’m a bit of a noob in the field of international politics, but isn’t shooting down someone else’s civilian airliner generally considered a major diplomatic incident?

Yes, see Iran Air Flight 655 and Korean Air Lines Flight 007.

64 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 17, 2014 9:38:25am

There are some graphic photos showing up on Twitter. Please don’t embed them here, use a link and give a warning, Kthxbai.

65 William Barnett-Lewis  Jul 17, 2014 9:38:27am

re: #57 thedopefishlives

I admit I’m a bit of a noob in the field of international politics, but isn’t shooting down someone else’s civilian airliner generally considered a major diplomatic incident?

The phrase that used to be used is either “act of piracy” or “act of war”. Doubt anyone will have the gonads to go there though.

66 thedopefishlives  Jul 17, 2014 9:39:12am

re: #65 William Barnett-Lewis

The phrase that used to be used is either “act of piracy” or “act of war”. Doubt anyone will have the gonads to go there though.

Well, of course not. There’s no proof linking these “rebels” or “separatists” to a state that could be held responsible for piracy or war, after all. *wink wink nudge nudge*

67 Ryan King  Jul 17, 2014 9:39:15am
68 Franklin Brewsevelt  Jul 17, 2014 9:39:40am

Somewhat related to the knuckleheads playing around in the crime scene/recovery zone:

When I was at the beach last week there was this guy making awesome sand sculptures. He’d take long breaks and walk the beach leaving his sculpture unattended but his tools and beach gear right there so it didn’t look abandoned.

Kids would go up and play around with it and I can’t blame some of the younger ones. But some of the older ones and adults, I would just sit there and shake my head at them. Don’t people know any better?

69 wrenchwench  Jul 17, 2014 9:40:14am

re: #64 Pie-onist Overlord

There are some graphic photos showing up on Twitter. Please don’t embed them here, use a link, Kthxbai.

QFT.

70 NJDhockeyfan  Jul 17, 2014 9:40:28am

re: #59 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

Russian pro-Putin demagogue activist Kurginyan has confirmed a few days ago that the “separatists” have Buk.

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And this scumbag issued a warning.

71 Bulworth  Jul 17, 2014 9:40:57am

re:
#67

Barack Obama Derangement Syndrome will not be interrupted.

72 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 17, 2014 9:42:12am
73 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jul 17, 2014 9:42:26am

The official Russian media will be (already are) denying that the terrorists had Buk. Don’t listen. The terrorists and associates had been boasting about having repaired it the whole time all over twitter, VK etc. right before the news about MH-17.

74 Charles Johnson  Jul 17, 2014 9:42:45am
75 wheat-dogghazi  Jul 17, 2014 9:43:08am

The photographers on site in Ukraine need to take as many photos as possible, for forensic evidence. If the plane was shot down, someone will come soon to cover up the deed.

76 thedopefishlives  Jul 17, 2014 9:43:10am

re: #73 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

The official Russian media will be (already are) denying that the terrorists had Buk. Don’t listen. The terrorists and associates had been boasting about having repaired it the whole time all over twitter, VK etc. right before the news about MH-17.

Did you grab any screenshots? I imagine those Tweets and such are going to magically disappear.

77 Dr Lizardo  Jul 17, 2014 9:43:30am

re: #74 Charles Johnson

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If that’s the case, at least he owned to it.

Now he just needs to be shot.

78 wheat-dogghazi  Jul 17, 2014 9:43:54am

re: #74 Charles Johnson

Holy shit. Is that legit?

79 Ryan King  Jul 17, 2014 9:44:09am

re: #72 Pie-onist Overlord

They’re just dying to use all that survival gear. Can’t wait for societal collapse.

80 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 17, 2014 9:44:48am

re: #79 Ryan King

They’re just dying to use all that survival gear. Can’t wait for societal collapse.

How much gold do you think I can get for 1 pie?

81 Interesting Times  Jul 17, 2014 9:45:20am

Horrible. And it’s not even the first time Russia’s pulled this crap:

Korean Air Lines Flight 007

Korean Air Lines Flight 007 (also known as KAL007 and KE007) was a scheduled Korean Air Lines flight from New York City to Seoul via Anchorage. On September 1, 1983, the airliner serving the flight was shot down by a Soviet Su-15 interceptor near Moneron Island, west of Sakhalin Island, in the East Sea. The interceptor’s pilot was Major Gennadi Osipovich. All 269 passengers and crew aboard were killed, including Lawrence McDonald, representative from Georgia in the United States House of Representatives. The aircraft was en route from Anchorage to Seoul when it flew through prohibited Soviet airspace around the time of a U.S. reconnaissance mission.

82 blueraven  Jul 17, 2014 9:45:48am

re: #72 Pie-onist Overlord


Oh bull. No way did anyone deliberately shoot down a commercial plane.

83 wrenchwench  Jul 17, 2014 9:46:25am
84 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jul 17, 2014 9:46:37am

re: #74 Charles Johnson

McFaul makes it seem like Strelkov admitted an order against the passenger plane. Not true. Strelkov wrote about ordering to strike down AN-26.

Strelkov has no excuse, but let’s not increase entropy.

85 thedopefishlives  Jul 17, 2014 9:47:20am

re: #82 blueraven

Oh bull. No way did anyone deliberately shoot down a commercial plane.

You know, it almost sounds to me like the terrorists had a new toy that they were itching to use to demonstrate their power. MH17 happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time and almost 300 people paid the price.

86 Decatur Deb  Jul 17, 2014 9:47:48am

Head-sized platters are being polished in E. Ukraine. Probably for some 2nd Lieutenants in ADA.

87 Ryan King  Jul 17, 2014 9:47:58am

re: #80 Pie-onist Overlord

How much gold do you think I can get for 1 pie?

I’ll take a pecan Praline with Survival Seed crust.

Shaped like a Claymore.

88 Franklin Brewsevelt  Jul 17, 2014 9:47:58am
89 thedopefishlives  Jul 17, 2014 9:48:33am

re: #88 geoffm33

*flips desk, sets on fire*

90 blueraven  Jul 17, 2014 9:49:27am

re: #84 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

McFaul makes it seem like Strelkov admitted an order against the passenger plane. Not true. Strelkov wrote about ordering to strike down AN-26.

Strelkov has no excuse, but let’s not increase entropy.

Yes, he retweeted the same thing we have all seen

91 Gus  Jul 17, 2014 9:49:42am

ENGAGE 24 HOUR RULE

92 wheat-dogghazi  Jul 17, 2014 9:49:46am

re: #88 geoffm33

Obama is all-powerful. He arranged all this, just like he did the 9/11 attacks.

//

93 Timothy Watson  Jul 17, 2014 9:50:27am

re: #92 wheat-dogghazi

Obama is all-powerful. He arranged all this, just like he did the 9/11 attacks.

//

DONT FORGET HURRICAN KATRINA1!!!

94 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jul 17, 2014 9:50:46am

I read about 80 children.

95 thedopefishlives  Jul 17, 2014 9:52:06am

re: #91 Gus

>ENGAGE 24 HOUR RULE

Contingency measures. Lock the doors.

96 NJDhockeyfan  Jul 17, 2014 9:52:49am
97 Ryan King  Jul 17, 2014 9:52:54am

re: #92 wheat-dogghazi

Obama is all-powerful. He arranged all this, just like he did the 9/11 attacks.

//

Not bad for somebody who has never had a real job, only a community organizer, and is the most feckless foreign policy leader since like forever.

98 Dr. Matt  Jul 17, 2014 10:26:12am

re: #24 Pie-onist Overlord

Todd Starnes is making a bunch of jokes. What a horrible human being.

The “pro-life” movement in action.

99 Shiplord Kirel  Jul 17, 2014 10:34:24am

re: #81 Interesting Times

Horrible. And it’s not even the first time Russia’s pulled this crap:

Korean Air Lines Flight 007

At the time, Congressman Lawrence McDonald (D-GA) was also president of none other than the John Birch Society. His murder at the hands of the Soviets was about the only time I have felt any sympathy for the Birchers. He was a fanatic, to be sure, but he was our fanatic and a sitting member of Congress besides. He was also a charming and gifted man, ideology notwithstanding, and we were poorer for his loss.

100 ObserverArt  Jul 17, 2014 11:18:31am

re: #91 Gus

ENGAGE 24 HOUR RULE

Does it matter anymore? People seem to buy into what is first told to them anyway. Also, 24 hours allows everyone to get the same talking points together so they can all parrot them for the next week.

I know what you mean Gus, but anymore everything is so screwed up you need a 6 month rule. And then when the truth does comes out, no one listens to it. They probably think it is reconstructive cover up.

(shrug)

101 7-y (Expectation of Great Things in Due Course)  Jul 17, 2014 1:52:22pm

re: #17 Charles Johnson

Well, Charles, it would be routine behavior for when I was in the military. Remember, in boot camp, when they took all your cologne, booze, and intimate pictures away? They used to divvy all that up amongst themselves later. I know because I was assigned to work there for two days during boot camp.

I would expect NSA staff to behave the same. Heck, maybe that’s how Snowden found his girlfriend in Hawaii?


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