Posted from downstairs:

Rebels turn away OSCE observers

Rebels have turned away the OSCE team at the crash site, Harriet Salem (@HarrietSalem) reports for the Guardian in Grabovo.

She says the OSCE delegation has been turned away without being able to inspect the site. A unit of heavily armed rebels blocked the 30-strong team, cordoning off a large part of the crash site. The inspectors retreated after an hour-long stand-off.

theguardian.com

Malaysia had no dog in this territorial fight. Until now.

Another Russia Today “journalist” resigns:

mashable.com

AIDS conference attendees on downed Malaysian jet

SYDNEY — Researchers and activists heading to an AIDS conference in Australia were on the Malaysian jetliner shot down over Ukraine, news that sparked an outpouring of grief across the scientific community.

Among the passengers were former president of the International AIDS Society Joep Lange, a well-known researcher from the Netherlands, and Worth Health Organization spokesman Glenn Thomas, based in Geneva.

[…]

A precise number of passengers who were bound for the conference could not immediately be determined. The 20th International AIDS conference starts Sunday in the Victoria state capital of Melbourne.

Ugh.

re: #1 Aqua Obama

Posted from downstairs:

Malaysia has no dog in this territorial fight. Until now.

And didn’t Putin pledge cooperation?

My ass. If there’s anyone out there who still doesn’t think that Putin is a malevolent, lying, two-face POS, well, all I can is say is they must have their head pretty far up their culu.

And Bryan Fischer proudly upholds his title as Horrible Human Being Of The Day

In his remarks, President Obama politicized Malaysian airliner tragedy, used it to press the radical homosexual agenda.

— Bryan Fischer (@BryanJFischer) July 18, 2014

re: #5 Pie-onist Overlord

One track mind

That’s a powerful circumstantial argument for this being done by the separatists. Not the Ukrainians. Not the Russians, at least not directly.
Cease fire-Not gonna happen. At the end of the day I think we must understand it was a mistake not a deliberate attack on a defenseless non military plane unrelated to the conflict.

.@BryanJFischer Homosexuals ARE pretty radical, man. I mean, have you SEEN Queen at Wembley in 86?

— 95Sports (@95Sports) July 18, 2014

“Dad, Brian Fischer is in my closet and he won’t come out!”

re: #4 Dr Lizardo

And didn’t Putin pledge cooperation?

My ass. If there’s anyone out there who still doesn’t think that Putin is a malevolent, lying, two-face POS, well, all I can is say is they must have their head pretty far up their culu.

I just posted this in the last thread…but it makes a good addition to your comment.
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Another example to the world that Russia is still not open and ready to join in with the west in how things are done. Putin is going to come out of this looking even smaller than he is physically.

5 months after the Winter Olympics and any good feelings he gained are all being wiped away. Hopefully some how the Russian peoples take this as a sign it is time to get Putin out. If that can even be done, as I don’t know how things work politically in the New Russia.

re: #7 Rightwingconspirator

But where does Russia begin and the separatists end? Acc. to these intercepts BUK came from Russia with a crew.

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re: #5 Pie-onist Overlord

@BryanJFischer #AIDS only affects gays? #RyanWhite could not be reached for comment; you besmirch good work AIDS researchers do to find cure

— lawhawk (@lawhawk) July 18, 2014

re: #5 Pie-onist Overlord

WTF was he watching? Because I didn’t see any of that.

You just know Bryan has some seriously and fabulously GAY!!! skeletons in his closet(s). Possible plural, because really, could all that repressed sexuality fit into even one walk in closet?

Bryan Fischer is so deep in the closet, he’s in Narnia

re: #14 Kragar

Bryan Fischer is so deep in the closet, he’s in Narnia

That line never gets old.

re: #11 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

But where does Russia begin and the separatists end? Acc. to these intercepts BUK came from Russia with a crew.

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That would entail direct Russian military complicity in the downing of MH17, and if an investigation reveals that, well……things could get interesting at that point.

Even though it may well have been an accident, nonetheless, things could get dicey for Putin real fast at that point.

re: #6 wheat-dogghazi

One track mind

More like ‘unnatural pre-occupation’ or ‘obsession.’

re: #13 A Mom Anon

WTF was he watching? Because I didn’t see any of that.

You just know Bryan has some seriously and fabulously GAY!!! skeletons in his closet(s). Possible plural, because really, could all that repressed sexuality fit into even one walk in closet?

I wish somebody would make a Gay Bryan Fischer Twitter account, where he is Out, Proud, and Fabulous.

Maybe Bryan Fischer can call Vlad Putin and they can both live out their innermost dreams together.

re: #14 Kragar

Bryan Fischer is so deep in the closet, he’s in Narnia

The bears of Narnia are looking for him.
narnia.wikia.com

RT reporter quits over MH17 coverage: ‘We’re lying and finding sexier ways to do it’ http://t.co/NAi4iYGkpt

— Kragar (@Kragar_LGF) July 18, 2014

re: #20 jaunte

The bears of Narnia are looking for him.
narnia.wikia.com

Further up and further in!

re: #16 Dr Lizardo

That would entail direct Russian military complicity in the downing of MH17, and if an investigation reveals that, well……things could get interesting at that point.

Even though it may well have been an accident, nonetheless, things could get dicey for Putin real fast at that point.

There’s no doubt that it was an “accident” in the sense of not intending to shoot down a civilian airliner. The fact is, though, someone deliberately fired an anti-aircraft missile that killed 300 innocent people, and that isn’t going to end well no matter whether it has official Russian backing or plausible deniability.

re: #22 Kragar

Further up and further in!

…so to speak.

re: #5 Pie-onist Overlord

And Bryan Fischer proudly upholds his title as Horrible Human Being Of The Day

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As a friend of mine once said “The Religious Right thinks more about gay sex than I do, and I’m Gay”.

RBS

re: #21 Kragar

#RT is a Putin propaganda channel; ppl working there only realizing this now? Russia's using RT to undermine Ukrainian sovereignty 4 months

— lawhawk (@lawhawk) July 18, 2014

re:
#5

“radical homosexual agenda”. Do we know what the “regular homosexual agenda” is?

Now Putin’s rebels are shooting at OSCE investigators when they attempt to get near the wreckage:

talkingpointsmemo.com

Putin has really, really stepped in it, hasn’t he?

re: #7 Rightwingconspirator

That’s a powerful circumstantial argument for this being done by the separatists. Not the Ukrainians. Not the Russians, at least not directly.
Cease fire-Not gonna happen. At the end of the day I think we must understand it was a mistake not a deliberate attack on a defenseless non military plane unrelated to the conflict.

I dont think anyone has suggested that shooting down a passenger plane was a deliberate goal. However, the firing of the missile was intentional and most likely had some measure of Russian support.

re: #11 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

Excellent point, just being a bit cautious pending confirmation. Downstairs someone put up an image of a BUK control panel (complex obviously) and referenced rebels. I commented back that rebels are often current or past military guys that know what they are doing.

re: #26 lawhawk

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I know this and you know this, but these people are failed journalists who think they hit the big time. Its takes them a while to catch on.

re: #26 lawhawk

#RT is a Putin propaganda channel; ppl working there only realizing this now? Russia’s using RT to undermine Ukrainian sovereignty 4 months

“Fox Blonde Suspects Workplace Sexism.”

re: #23 thedopefishlives

There’s no doubt that it was an “accident” in the sense of not intending to shoot down a civilian airliner. The fact is, though, someone deliberately fired an anti-aircraft missile that killed 300 innocent people, and that isn’t going to end well no matter whether it has official Russian backing or plausible deniability.

It was not an accident. It was a mistake. Same as with KAL 007 or Iran Air 655.

Similar but not identical.

re: #30 Rightwingconspirator

Excellent point, just being a bit cautious pending confirmation. Downstairs someone put up and image of a BUK control panel (complex obviously) and referenced rebels. I commented back that rebels are often current or past military guys that know what they are doing.

Both Russia and the Ukraine had compulsory conscription, if I’m not mistaken.

Bryan Fischer Thinking Good Thoughts About AIDS Researchers Dying On Plane. No, Really. He's Thinking 'Good' http://t.co/cQVsUTw9R3

— Wonkette (@Wonkette) July 18, 2014

re: #33 Testy Toad T

It was not an accident. It was a mistake. Same as with KAL 007 or Iran Air 655.

Similar but not identical.

Alright, that’s a better way to phrase it.

.@BryanJFischer Why don't you focus on a truly important issue, like the alarming decline in the population of grizzly bears?

— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) July 18, 2014

re: #7 Rightwingconspirator

That’s a powerful circumstantial argument for this being done by the separatists. Not the Ukrainians. Not the Russians, at least not directly.
Cease fire-Not gonna happen. At the end of the day I think we must understand it was a mistake not a deliberate attack on a defenseless non military plane unrelated to the conflict.

That has been my worry. Undisciplined, minimally/insufficiently trained rebel insurgents with very powerful weapons.

re: #37 Charles Johnson

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Seeing the Right embrace people like Bryan is a big reason I moved Left.

re: #37 Charles Johnson

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BEES

'Echoing the drivel': Samantha Power advised to avoid 'regurgitating Vox headlines' http://t.co/gQ7KvfIIsy

— Jim Hoft (@gatewaypundit) July 18, 2014

One of Bryan’s early articles, when he was still using a penname

Why Do All These Homosexuals Keep Sucking My Cock?

re: #40 thedopefishlives

BEES

Winnie the Pooh!

It all begins to make sense. He was denied the knowledge and magic of Pooh and its creator A. A. Milne as a kid.

re: #41 Pie-onist Overlord

Drivel is Jim’s wheelhouse.

And Allen West chimes in:

The blood on Vladimir Putin’s hands was poured by Barack Obama who is indirectly responsible, accountable accountable [sic] and no different than Neville Chamberlain’s weakness in the face of the 20th Century maniacal dictator Adolf Hitler.

Yes, Russian Separatists…this is the way to protest your innocence: @TPM http://t.co/Q64ZApIN3n

— Malcolm Johnson (@admiralmpj) July 18, 2014

re: #45 Dr. Matt

War Criminal says what?

re: #41 Pie-onist Overlord

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“Reputable sources”

HA!

re: #47 The War TARDIS

War Criminal says what?

This week the POTUS is Neville Chamberlain, next week he’ll be Hilter. *yawn*

re:
#45

Thanks for sharing today, Allen. Nurse, can you see that Allen gets back to his room and takes his medication?

re: #49 Dr. Matt

This week the POTUS is Neville Chamberlain, next week he’ll be Hilter. *yawn*

Nah, just repeating the same crap from three years ago. With these morons, it’s always blather, rinse, repeat.

If Obama is just like Hitler, why r u still on Twitter & not in a death camp? @jennybaggy #tcot #SisterPatriots #teaparty #UniteBlue

— The Vicious Babushka (@viciousbabushka) July 18, 2014

See @DOJ? It's not racist - whites did it too? #ImpeachHolder #ImpeachObama #RedNationRising #TCOT #SisterPatriots pic.twitter.com/msaAPaXnzg

— Jenny Baggy (@jennybaggy) July 18, 2014

re: #27 Bulworth

re:
#5

“radical homosexual agenda”. Do we know what the “regular homosexual agenda” is?

Get up
Get ready for work
Go to work
Pick up something for dinner on way home from work
Get home
Throw in a load of laundry
Eat
Switch laundry to dryer
Watch a little of the news
Switch to Wheel of Fortune
Go check dryer
…

The radical agenda is much more interesting than the regular agenda. Radical agenda slips the task “Argue with some asshole freak that can’t stay the fuck out of my business”, that make it all radical.

HEY BRYAN…

Man adopts bear cub and their relationship blossoms into the biggest bromance ever http://t.co/jjgfYxgBtm . pic.twitter.com/x2B8Yve75f

— Emergency Kittens (@EmrgencyKittens) July 18, 2014

re: #45 Dr. Matt

Considering what a shitty job West did while serving his country I wonder why anyone even pays attention to him. I understand that the Republicans can no longer acknowledge how many of them are dicks, but still…

re: #52 Pie-onist Overlord

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This is a little something sane people refer to as utter and complete bullshit @jennybaggy @doj #tcot #uniteblue

— Kragar (@Kragar_LGF) July 18, 2014

Sderot. Where was Diana Magnay when Israelis in Sderot were getting hit by Hamas rockets every freaking day? She calls them “scum” for not wanting to get hit by any more rockets.

Diana Magnay was fired for telling the truth … #p2 #tcot #uniteblue #lnyhbt #teaparty #gop pic.twitter.com/cg3DeVOpQg

— Leyla (@MiamiLib) July 18, 2014

re: #45 Dr. Matt

And Allen West chimes in:

Oh really?
What would RR do in this situation, Mr West?

Reagan and KAL 007

True, the president’s nationally televised address on Sept. 5 was full of strong rhetorical condemnation: Reagan called the Soviet action “monstrous,” “murderous,” and “born of a society which wantonly disregards individual rights and the value of human life.”

But little action followed. Reagan demanded an apology to the world and continued a number of sanctions — but he decided not to end grain sales to the USSR or to suspend arms control talks. George Will argued that “the administration is pathetic…. We didn’t elect a dictionary. We elected a President and it’s time for him to act.” The Manchester Union-Leader editorialized that “if someone had told us three years ago that the Russians could blow a civilian airliner out of the skies - and not face one whit of retaliation from a Ronald Reagan administration, we would have called that crazy. It is crazy. It is insane. It is exactly what happened.”

Even at the height of the Cold War, however — and keeping in mind that the flight had departed from the U.S., with dozens of American passengers, including a sitting member of Congress - Reagan told a National Security Meeting that “we’ve got to protect against overreaction. Vengeance isn’t the name of the game.”

Reagan was right. Allen West is wrong and he is nuts.

I’m shocked. Shocked. Russia edits wiki entry on #MH17 crash to eliminate references alleging that Russia was behind the shoot-down of the plane.

Now, where is that graphic of Air Force One riddled with bullet holes as it was flying over Texas. I seem to remember Prudence saying it was HILARIOUS as she spammed it to the eleventy bazillion followers.

Like Clockwork… TPM Compares Russian Terrorists to Tea Party http://t.co/mNnHrQ2C8e via @gatewaypundit

— Jim Hoft (@gatewaypundit) July 18, 2014

re: #59 lawhawk

I’m shocked. Shocked. Russia edits wiki entry on #MH17 crash to eliminate references alleging that Russia was behind the shoot-down of the plane.

Yeah, that page is going to get locked in a real hurry.

Wojtek

Wojtek (1942-1963; Polish pronunciation: [ˈvɔjtɛk]) usually spelled Voytek in English, was a Syrian brown bear cub found in Iran and adopted by soldiers of the 22nd Artillery Supply Company of the Polish II Corps. During the Battle of Monte Cassino, Wojtek helped move ammunition. The name “Wojtek” is a diminutive form of “Wojciech”, an old Slavic name that is still common in Poland today and means “he who enjoys war” or “smiling warrior”.[1]

re: #52 Pie-onist Overlord

It’s not racist - whites did it too

for this segment of the population, the net result of the civil rights movement was to make them feel guilty when they make racist statements

it’s a start

re: #60 Pie-onist Overlord

Now, where is that graphic of Air Force One riddled with bullet holes as it was flying over Texas. I seem to remember Prudence saying it was HILARIOUS as she spammed it to the eleventy bazillion followers.

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When was the last time you ever heard about a Tea Partier talk about secession and violent revolution? Oh, right, never mind @gatewaypundit

— Kragar (@Kragar_LGF) July 18, 2014

re: #63 dog philosopher

for this segment of the population, the net result of the civil rights movement was to make them feel guilty when they make racist statements

it’s a start

They don’t feel any guilt, but they know how to deflect by saying HURR HURR DEMS IS TEH REAL RACISTS!!!!!!

re: #65 Pie-onist Overlord

They don’t feel any guilt, but they know how to deflect by saying HURR HURR DEMS IS TEH REAL RACISTS!!!!!!

Deflect, dodge, deny: The trifecta of wingnutisms.

re: #64 Kragar

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re: #58 blueraven

Oh really?
What would RR do in this situation, Mr West?

Reagan was right. Allen West is wrong and he is nuts.

Slightly OT, but here’s another case where Ronny Reagan did nothing after a United States Army Major was shot by Soviet guards and left to bleed to death while on an official military liaison program:

At a subsequent meeting between General Otis and General Mikhail Zaitsev, the commander of Group of Soviet Forces Germany, General Otis made it clear that the U.S. Army believed that Nicholson’s murder “[was] officially condoned, if not directly ordered.” Following this, a Soviet diplomat was ordered out of the U.S. and the U.S. canceled plans to jointly celebrate the 40th anniversary of the end of the Second World War in Europe with the Soviets.[6] The incident was also the first major foreign policy crisis faced by Mikhail Gorbachev as leader of the Soviet Union. The relatively muted U.S. response drew criticism from various sources, among them George Will.[1]

New York Tribune in 1917: the Jewish nation can find a home in a new state carved out of the Ottoman Empire pic.twitter.com/CoQXWSY7jE

— Historical Pics (@HistoricalPics) July 18, 2014

re: #67 Pie-onist Overlord

This graphic:
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kingwoodunderground.com

re: #65 Pie-onist Overlord

They don’t feel any guilt, but they know how to deflect by saying HURR HURR DEMS IS TEH REAL RACISTS!!!!!!

but anyway, my response to ms baggy is: “i wouldn’t say that comparing obama to hitler is racist -

i’d said that it’s stupid and laughably ignorant?”

re: #70 jaunte

kingwoodunderground.com

What would they do if they could get their hands on a BUK?

re: #60 Pie-onist Overlord

Or claiming that Obama is indirectly responsible for the shootdown of MH14.

It was only a matter of time: Ex-lawmaker blames Obama for Malaysian Airline crash http://t.co/XXE2h3YO59

— Taegan Goddard (@politicalwire) July 18, 2014

That’d be Allen West, former Congressman and GOP nutter.

re: #72 Pie-onist Overlord

What would they do if they could get their hands on a BUK?

You know there are some III percenters trying to find one now.