Ukraine: Russia Is Helping Destroy MH17 Evidence

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By all accounts the situation at the crash site of Malaysia Airlines flight 17 in eastern Ukraine is an absolute nightmare — and now the Ukrainian government is accusing Russia of helping separatists destroy evidence.

The government in Kiev said militiamen have removed 38 bodies from the crash site in eastern Ukraine and have taken them to the rebel-held city of Donetsk. It says the bodies were transported with the assistance of specialists with distinct Russian accents.

ABC News’ Terry Moran is at the site:

More appalling details from Max Seddon at Buzzfeed: Chaos at Malaysia Airlines Crash Site Leaves Victims by the Roadside.

HRABOVE, Ukraine — A muted sun baked golden fields of hay and sunflowers. Bloated and mangled bodies gave off a fetid stench. A burly gunman who called himself Grumpy stepped into the road as a convoy of international observers snaked along the bumpy country road to the crash site of Malaysia Airlines Flight MH17.

“I will let none of you pass! I have an order!” he shouted. Motley gunmen in ragtag uniforms flanked out alongside him. A lanky rebel in a beekeeping suit who reeked of alcohol folded his automatic rifle in his arms. The observers wandered out, then meekly retreated.

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138 comments
1 thedopefishlives  Jul 19, 2014 11:36:19am

This really is going to be another KAL 007, isn’t it? Russia seems determined not to take the fall for the indiscriminate murder of 300 innocent people.

2 wrenchwench  Jul 19, 2014 11:41:10am
3 Charles Johnson  Jul 19, 2014 11:43:40am

Meanwhile, Glenn Greenwald is now going after Elizabeth Warren.

4 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jul 19, 2014 11:45:14am

re: #3 Charles Johnson

Greeny loves using wingnut sources, doesn’t he?

5 Rightwingconspirator  Jul 19, 2014 11:45:29am

Repost…

Evidence left in the hands of the offenders is just not going to ever be seen by investigators. The case for who did this is going to rest on radar data and intelligence gathering rather than evidence on the shattered ground.

6 wrenchwench  Jul 19, 2014 11:45:56am

Source is ‘Ukranian Pravda’.

7 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 19, 2014 11:46:57am

re: #4 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

Greeny loves using wingnut sources, doesn’t he?

Well, we can’t expect him to use his own original sources…

8 Flounder  Jul 19, 2014 11:53:27am

Ukraine says it has compelling evidence that Russia shot down Flight MH17

“We know about the three people who came together with these systems from the territory of Russia,”

9 Charles Johnson  Jul 19, 2014 11:55:47am
10 Decatur Deb  Jul 19, 2014 11:56:45am

re: #3 Charles Johnson

Meanwhile, Glenn Greenwald is now going after Elizabeth Warren.

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Because GG is right wing all the way. His nursery school is just falling for the ‘left-libertarian’ shitck.

11 Flounder  Jul 19, 2014 11:57:18am

Victims of the tragedy of Flight MH17

12 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jul 19, 2014 11:59:05am

re: #9 Charles Johnson

Hopefully France cracks down on them, and hard.

13 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jul 19, 2014 12:02:10pm
14 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 19, 2014 12:03:25pm

This can’t end well:

15 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Jul 19, 2014 12:04:32pm

re: #9 Charles Johnson

Correct me if I’m wrong, but doesn’t Paris have a history of protests that are far from “peaceful” in the sense of breaking shit up? (labor unrest, etc.)

16 Dr Lizardo  Jul 19, 2014 12:07:23pm

re: #15 Rev_Arthur_Belling

Correct me if I’m wrong, but doesn’t Paris have a history of protests that are far from “peaceful” in the sense of breaking shit up? (labor unrest, etc.)

Yep.

en.wikipedia.org

17 Flounder  Jul 19, 2014 12:08:51pm

re: #13 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

LOL, Who is Igor Bezler?!

a battle-hardened Mr. Potato Face.

18 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Jul 19, 2014 12:09:16pm

I’ve been following the MH17 crash news, but haven’t really commented. One question I have: Can anyone think of another incident where a civilian airplane went down (for whatever reason) on terra ferma where investigators were not allowed access to the crash site? Obviously, crashes over open water are a different issue.

It’s just amazing to me that there’s a crash site and people aren’t being allowed to investigate, claim the bodies, etc.

19 wrenchwench  Jul 19, 2014 12:10:19pm

re: #14 Backwoods_Sleuth

This can’t end well:

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As I scrolled down I thought that was from the crash scene. Prepared to avert my eyes. Doing that a lot this week.

20 Rightwingconspirator  Jul 19, 2014 12:11:21pm

re: #15 Rev_Arthur_Belling

The carbeque comes to mind. The French police have been brutal in the past , this could get extra ugly. OTOH the Palestinians enjoy great popular support there. Tough to say how this will go.

21 makeitstop  Jul 19, 2014 12:11:24pm

I really hope all the Putin lovers in this country come to the realization of what a piece of shit they’ve been cheering for.

But I’m probably just hoping for too much here.

22 CuriousLurker  Jul 19, 2014 12:12:16pm

re: #9 Charles Johnson

Ugh. What a bunch of idiots. Yeah, reinforce negative stereotypes, that’ll help the Palestinians in Gaza. *headdesk*

23 Teukka  Jul 19, 2014 12:12:50pm

re: #21 makeitstop

I really hope all the Putin lovers in this country come to the realization of what a piece of shit they’ve been cheering for.

But I’m probably just hoping for too much here.

Ain’t gonna happen. Putin relies on fascists at home for his power.
The Tealiban are the fascist in your country. Fascists usually love other fascists.

24 Kragar  Jul 19, 2014 12:16:15pm

Well, all this certainly leads me to believe the Russians had nothing to do with shooting down the plane.
///

25 elizajane  Jul 19, 2014 12:21:49pm

unbelievably vile:

26 Dr Lizardo  Jul 19, 2014 12:22:10pm

re: #24 Kragar

Well, all this certainly leads me to believe the Russians had nothing to do with shooting down the plane.
///

I’ve read some of the commentary sections at places like the Independent, Guardian, Daily Mail, Telegraph, etc.

It’s f***ing unreal. Sickening. The pro-Putin loonies are out in force.

27 Kragar  Jul 19, 2014 12:23:33pm

Two weeks ago, on June 30, Air Force Gen. Phillip Breedlove spoke at the Pentagon.

Maddow reported, “And in that press briefing, he said that surface-to-air missiles, anti-aircraft systems, not just the shoulder-fired ones, but the big, vehicle-borne surface-to-air missiles that are designed to shoot down airplanes, those had been observed in eastern Ukraine and just across the border in Western Russia.”

NATO had observed in the early part of the summer, that Russia was moving heavy anti-aircraft equipment over the border into Ukraine and training the rebels there to use them.

“This was sort of a dry Pentagon briefing from two-and-a-half weeks ago,” said Maddow, “talking about something that wasn’t getting all that much attention at the time, but all of a sudden, what he just said there was maybe the most important thing in the whole world.”

Two-and-a-half weeks ago, she said, NATO knew this was a possibility. And then on Monday, “they proved that it was true” when the separatist rebels shot down a Ukrainian transport plane, followed on Wednesday by the destruction of Flight MH17.

“That is not conjecture,” she said, “that is what we know.”

28 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jul 19, 2014 12:23:51pm

The shooting itself was an accident, that much is clear from the intercepts - they expected remains of a military plane and found a civilian one instead. If they would have only confessed that same moment, said a teary “mea culpa”, they would have had at least a small chance not to be thought of as terrorists in the global opinion - after all, these kind of accidents happened before, without much consequence. But with all the denial, with blaming the innocent side and with all the attempts to hinder the investigation they’re basically digging their own grave.

29 Dr Lizardo  Jul 19, 2014 12:23:51pm

re: #25 elizajane

That kind of shit is only going to piss off the Europeans even further.

30 Kragar  Jul 19, 2014 12:24:29pm

re: #26 Dr Lizardo

I’ve read some of the commentary sections at places like the Independent, Guardian, Daily Mail, Telegraph, etc.

It’s f***ing unreal. Sickening. The pro-Putin loonies are out in force.

“Have you seen any evidence they shot down the plane? HAVE YOU? HAVE YOU?”

31 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jul 19, 2014 12:26:26pm

re: #26 Dr Lizardo

I’ve read some of the commentary sections at places like the Independent, Guardian, Daily Mail, Telegraph, etc.

It’s f***ing unreal. Sickening. The pro-Putin loonies are out in force.

Most of them are paid trolls. There have been articles about this.

32 Dr Lizardo  Jul 19, 2014 12:26:43pm

re: #30 Kragar

“Have you seen any evidence they shot down the plane? HAVE YOU? HAVE YOU?”

Heh.

I never realized how many toadies and lickspittles Putin had in the Western world. Quite disturbing….and disgusting.

33 Dr Lizardo  Jul 19, 2014 12:28:18pm

re: #31 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

Most of them are paid trolls. There have been articles about this.

Trolling Whoring for Dollars! The 21st Century Internet-era version of the world’s oldest profession.

*smh*

34 Charles Johnson  Jul 19, 2014 12:28:47pm
35 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jul 19, 2014 12:29:29pm

re: #32 Dr Lizardo

Heh.

I never realized how many toadies and lickspittles Putin had in the Western world. Quite disturbing….and disgusting.

1. There a quite a few.

2. However.

36 Decatur Deb  Jul 19, 2014 12:30:32pm

re: #34 Charles Johnson

Trending: Tweetbot catches Russia making edits to Flight MH17 Wikipedia entry

Glad to see Snowden has found work in his field.

37 Dr Lizardo  Jul 19, 2014 12:34:19pm

re: #35 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

1. There a quite a few.

2. However.

Weren’t the folks over at Breitbart caught up in something like that? I could swear I’d read that.

38 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jul 19, 2014 12:34:59pm

re: #37 Dr Lizardo

Yup. Got paid by Poo.

39 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 19, 2014 12:36:04pm

re: #19 wrenchwench

As I scrolled down I thought that was from the crash scene. Prepared to avert my eyes. Doing that a lot this week.

My apologies. I see what you mean, now.

40 Joanne  Jul 19, 2014 12:37:53pm

re: #30 Kragar

“Have you seen any evidence they shot down the plane? HAVE YOU? HAVE YOU?”

Exactly the crap I’m getting on twitter after RTing the Times cartoon with Putun shirtless with the 777 nose mounted in the wall above his mantle.

“Two sides!”

“Don’t know if Putin was involved!”

“Ukrainian Cold War isn’t with Putin!”

Sheesh, eat a bag o’ diks.

41 Charles Johnson  Jul 19, 2014 12:38:22pm

If anyone’s interested, here’s the live feed from Snowdenfest, hosted by Daniel Ellsberg.

Video

42 wrenchwench  Jul 19, 2014 12:39:30pm

re: #39 Backwoods_Sleuth

My apologies. I see what you mean, now.

No problem. It’s just trash. Although I think I saw an arm…..

/

There are times I can scrutinize images of gore looking for a certain thing, and there are other times where one of those Why My Cat is Sad tweets are too much to bear. Moods are weird.

43 elizajane  Jul 19, 2014 12:39:33pm

From Christopher Miller at the crash site earlier today:

Masked gunmen, who were unsure of what to do other than impede an official study of the area by international monitors, were watching over over it all. A motley mix of local emergency-service workers, civilian volunteers and miners — many of whom confessed to supporting the separatist cause — investigated the wreckage. None had experience conducting such a task.

One rebel on duty, a 26-year-old gunman dressed in fatigues and a beekeeper’s mask, reeked of booze. Another, with bloodshot eyes and a beet-red face, could barely keep himself from falling over, let alone handle his automatic rifle.

Nobody seemed to know where the more than 80 bodies bagged throughout the day would be transferred. But just after 5 p.m., local time, after hours of festering in the Ukrainian summer sun, they were loaded on to a rickety old truck bed, and driven away.

mashable.com

44 wrenchwench  Jul 19, 2014 12:40:19pm

re: #41 Charles Johnson

If anyone’s interested, here’s the live feed from Snowdenfest, hosted by Daniel Ellsberg.

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Fresh out of fingernails-on-chalkboard?

45 Higgs Boson's Mate  Jul 19, 2014 12:41:05pm

re: #30 Kragar

Those paid trolls have to go through the rest of their lives knowing exactly what their price is. Maybe that doesn’t matter to them, it would fret me to death.

46 Dr Lizardo  Jul 19, 2014 12:41:45pm

re: #41 Charles Johnson

If anyone’s interested, here’s the live feed from Snowdenfest, hosted by Daniel Ellsberg.

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Well, if I was looking for a replacement for Ipecac, at least I’ll know where to look in the future.

But for now….not so much.

47 Joanne  Jul 19, 2014 12:41:52pm

re: #41 Charles Johnson

If anyone’s interested, here’s the live feed from Snowdenfest, hosted by Daniel Ellsberg.

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Not so interested. :-)

48 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jul 19, 2014 12:42:22pm

re: #43 elizajane

They used to be way more professional back in the Katyn forest in 1944./

49 Charles Johnson  Jul 19, 2014 12:43:36pm

Snowden is not extreme enough for a lot of his followers - he says he doesn’t want to wipe out the government.

50 Charles Johnson  Jul 19, 2014 12:44:24pm
51 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jul 19, 2014 12:44:51pm

re: #49 Charles Johnson

Snowden is not extreme enough for a lot of his followers - he says he doesn’t want to wipe out the government.

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I think Eddie expects you to thank him for that.

52 Charles Johnson  Jul 19, 2014 12:45:18pm

Wow, some of these people are really out there.

53 Gus  Jul 19, 2014 12:45:24pm

re: #49 Charles Johnson

Snowden is not extreme enough for a lot of his followers - he says he doesn’t want to wipe out the government.

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What in the what? Read the rest of his timeline.

54 Gus  Jul 19, 2014 12:46:10pm
55 Charles Johnson  Jul 19, 2014 12:47:14pm
56 Gus  Jul 19, 2014 12:47:58pm
57 Charles Johnson  Jul 19, 2014 12:48:33pm

Spoiled narcissistic millennial morons.

58 Gus  Jul 19, 2014 12:50:15pm

re: #57 Charles Johnson

Spoiled narcissistic millennial morons.

59 CuriousLurker  Jul 19, 2014 12:50:28pm

re: #54 Gus

re: #55 Charles Johnson

I wish these guys would just go ahead and move to Somalia already. I wonder how long they’d last? Ten minutes? Fifteen?

60 Dr Lizardo  Jul 19, 2014 12:50:47pm

re: #58 Gus

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More like anarchists, frankly.

61 Dr Lizardo  Jul 19, 2014 12:51:04pm

re: #59 CuriousLurker

I wish these guys would just go ahead and move to Somalia already. I wonder how long they’d last? Ten minutes? Fifteen?

You’re being generous.

I’d give them a minute, tops.

62 ObserverArt  Jul 19, 2014 12:51:28pm

re: #22 CuriousLurker

Ugh. What a bunch of idiots. Yeah, reinforce negative stereotypes, that’ll help the Palestinians in Gaza. *headdesk*

Isn’t it sad that many times groups of people can be judged, weighed and labeled by the idiots in that group. Sometimes even if the numbers of the idiots are such a low percentage of the whole of the group.

I guess it figures into the whole hate thing. If someone doesn’t like a group, find the worst case example and make the whole group just like the example.

And if you need to ready-hate a group, the idiot examples are already there and a lot of times already shared as the stereotype.

63 Gus  Jul 19, 2014 12:51:40pm

re: #59 CuriousLurker

I wish these guys would just go ahead and move to Somalia already. I wonder how long they’d last? Ten minutes? Fifteen?

5 minutes. Tops.

“We come in peace!”

[BLAM, BLAM!] //

64 Dr Lizardo  Jul 19, 2014 12:54:51pm

re: #63 Gus

5 minutes. Tops.

“We come in peace!”

[BLAM, BLAM!] //

“Have you heard about Rand Paul?”

[sound of AK-47 at full-auto fire]

65 Charles Johnson  Jul 19, 2014 12:55:22pm

Snowden: “The founding fathers said, ‘people get the government they deserve.’”

Actually, no, none of the founding fathers ever said that.

66 Decatur Deb  Jul 19, 2014 12:55:24pm

re: #53 Gus

What in the what? Read the rest of his timeline.

Shit goes on forever, dunnit?

67 Gus  Jul 19, 2014 12:55:59pm

MH17 shoot down = drones!!!!!!!!!!!

Wait for it…

68 Gus  Jul 19, 2014 12:56:58pm
69 Ryan King  Jul 19, 2014 12:57:03pm

re: #65 Charles Johnson

Snowden: “The founding fathers said, ‘people get the government they deserve.’”

Actually, no, none of the founding fathers ever said that.

That’s a common wingnut talking point.

70 CuriousLurker  Jul 19, 2014 12:58:27pm

re: #63 Gus

Heh, I was just gonna say that the guy looks… tense… bottled up… pissed off at the world just because. Then I wondered if he’s a misogynist too because, y’know, women… something about him… went to look at his photos & videos—yep, sure enough:

71 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jul 19, 2014 12:59:01pm

Some FFs were also slave-owners. Now what.

72 Dr Lizardo  Jul 19, 2014 12:59:20pm

re: #70 CuriousLurker

Heh, I was just gonna say that the guy looks… tense… bottled up… pissed off at the world just because. Then I wondered if he’s a misogynist too because, y’know, women… something about him… went to look at his photos & videos—yep, sure enough:

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All I see is a woman eating a bratwurst.

73 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jul 19, 2014 12:59:56pm

re: #72 Dr Lizardo

All I see is a woman eating a bratwurst.

You’re not a dudebro.

74 Charles Johnson  Jul 19, 2014 1:00:28pm

Snowden says, “There are people from the NSA in this room right now.”

BE AFRAID.

75 b_sharp  Jul 19, 2014 1:00:48pm

re: #72 Dr Lizardo

All I see is a woman eating a bratwurst.

Making me hungry.

The wife can’t have sausage anymore so neither can I.

76 Dr Lizardo  Jul 19, 2014 1:01:51pm

re: #73 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

You’re not a dudebro.

Lemme guess; dudebros imagine it’s like some of Freudian thing about emasculation or something?

Note….I almost typed “dudbros” before I caught it. Meh….that’s appropriate, too.

77 ObserverArt  Jul 19, 2014 1:01:59pm

re: #55 Charles Johnson

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Wow…that guy is a real piece of work.

The twitter bio for this twit:

Chaotic Neutral. I make Noise and Websites. Tweets are not a reflection of current status. Listen to me soundcloud.com

And his image background: NIHILISM.

Wow. I guess he’s another of the dudebros libertarians. ///

78 Charles Johnson  Jul 19, 2014 1:02:05pm
79 Charles Johnson  Jul 19, 2014 1:03:35pm

re: #77 ObserverArt

I went and listened to a couple of the … things he posted at Soundcloud. Totally unlistenable crap, of course. Not even music. Just crap.

Check out “WHERE’S DINNER?”

80 CuriousLurker  Jul 19, 2014 1:03:41pm

re: #72 Dr Lizardo

E gad, it gets even… not gonna embed it—too weird…

81 Stanley Sea  Jul 19, 2014 1:04:26pm

re: #80 CuriousLurker

whaaaaaaaaaaaat

82 wrenchwench  Jul 19, 2014 1:04:53pm

re: #74 Charles Johnson

Snowden says, “There are people from the NSA in this room right now.”

BE AFRAID.

I bet they are LISTENING

83 Decatur Deb  Jul 19, 2014 1:05:03pm

re: #72 Dr Lizardo

All I see is a woman eating a bratwurst.

“Sometimes a sausage is just a sausage.”

84 Charles Johnson  Jul 19, 2014 1:05:08pm
85 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jul 19, 2014 1:05:53pm

re: #80 CuriousLurker

That is … weird indeed.

Youtube Video

86 Charles Johnson  Jul 19, 2014 1:06:08pm
87 Recreational Birth Control User  Jul 19, 2014 1:06:23pm

You know which people really get my goat? Firemen! %^%$$#$ them!
Always comin’ in to rescue “victims” of fires blah blah blah.
My house has a hose, I can take care of myself!11!!1

88 ObserverArt  Jul 19, 2014 1:06:24pm

re: #59 CuriousLurker

I wish these guys would just go ahead and move to Somalia already. I wonder how long they’d last? Ten minutes? Fifteen?

I wonder how long they are going to last in this country. There are pockets in many cities where one of these guys are going to go and spout off some crazy shit and find someone is going to take big advantage of their complete ignorant naivety.

In other words, robbed, beaten and left crying on the side of the road. But hey…they can celebrate the person/persons that ripped ‘em off were just expressing their unique political individuality too!

89 The War TARDIS  Jul 19, 2014 1:07:21pm

re: #81 Stanley Sea

I propose setting up a National Total Creep Registry.

I nominate this guy to be it’s first entry.

By the way CL, will need to talk to you about NJ later.

90 ObserverArt  Jul 19, 2014 1:08:30pm

re: #63 Gus

5 minutes. Tops.

“We come in peace!”

[BLAM, BLAM!] //

And leave in pieces!

91 Dr Lizardo  Jul 19, 2014 1:09:05pm

re: #80 CuriousLurker

E gad, it gets even… not gonna embed it—too weird…

That guy’s really weird. Weird enough that if I met him, in five minutes I’d be all like, “Ya’ll need to get the fuck away from me, buddy.”

92 ObserverArt  Jul 19, 2014 1:10:43pm

re: #74 Charles Johnson

Snowden says, “There are people from the NSA in this room right now.”

BE AFRAID.

I’m making dinner for the guys in my room. We are of course talking about Snowden.

/

93 CuriousLurker  Jul 19, 2014 1:12:42pm

Gawd the internet is just downright creepy sometimes. Always makes me wonder if, totally unbeknownst to me, my next door neighbor or the guy in front of me in the line at the grocery store is some skeevy internet troll.

94 ObserverArt  Jul 19, 2014 1:12:50pm

re: #79 Charles Johnson

I went and listened to a couple of the … things he posted at Soundcloud. Totally unlistenable crap, of course. Not even music. Just crap.

Check out “WHERE’S DINNER?”

Yeah, I caught a couple seconds of a couple of ‘em. Noodling. Pointless of course…but very free (of anything redeeming)!

95 Charles Johnson  Jul 19, 2014 1:16:14pm
96 dell*nix  Jul 19, 2014 1:17:07pm

About the most polite thing I can say about the plane shootdown is that Putin in showing his KGB roots.

Looks like there are a lot of old USSR politicos stuck in the past in dealing with the outside world.

97 ObserverArt  Jul 19, 2014 1:18:35pm

re: #95 Charles Johnson

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Facts??? Good journalists don’t deal in facts.*

*Based on a certain not just good journalist, a great journalist. How good? Ask him.

/

98 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jul 19, 2014 1:21:45pm

re: #96 dell*nix

He’s been showing these roots since 1999 and it got only worse since then.

99 The War TARDIS  Jul 19, 2014 1:23:30pm

re: #98 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

Aren’t there still allegations in regards to the Apartment buildings in 1999?

100 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jul 19, 2014 1:24:20pm

re: #99 The War TARDIS

Aren’t there still allegations in regards to the Apartment buildings in 1999?

There are also allegations about 9/11. Let’s leave conspiracy theories to various nutjobs.

101 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jul 19, 2014 1:26:29pm

re: #100 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

And just to be sure: I have looked into the matter in detail. In my opinion the ap. bombings truthers have even less “evidence” than their 9/11 cousins.

102 KerFuFFler  Jul 19, 2014 1:28:27pm

re: #85 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

That is … weird indeed.

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Video

Pussy-cats!

103 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Jul 19, 2014 1:28:40pm

re: #74 Charles Johnson

Snowden says, “There are people from the NSA in this room right now.”

BE AFRAID.

Is this an open event? Paid admission? Why wouldn’t there be NSA people there? If they weren’t, they wouldn’t be doing their job.

104 dell*nix  Jul 19, 2014 1:28:54pm

re: #98 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

Surrounding yourself with yes-men always gets you deeper into the swamp. He should remember at least some of the old show trials as how to deal with this. Too far gone into delusions of self importance.

105 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Jul 19, 2014 1:30:31pm

re: #95 Charles Johnson

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Attributed to Alexis de Tocqueville, among others, apparently. Not a founding father, btw.

106 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jul 19, 2014 1:44:04pm

re: #104 dell*nix

Surrounding yourself with yes-men always gets you deeper into the swamp. He should remember at least some of the old show trials as how to deal with this. Too far gone into delusions of self importance.

There was a pretty sharp turn around 2011/2012 towards all that conservative/orthodox/Stalinist/traditional values/anti-American/anti-European crap. Dunno whether he simply began to cynically appease his “base”, or whether he had “found God” (whether literally, or in a psychiatric sense).

107 Charles Johnson  Jul 19, 2014 2:08:00pm
108 socrets  Jul 19, 2014 2:09:02pm

All hail Snowden’s bastion of freedom and democracy in action!! Destroying all evidence of their involvement in a horrendous, inhumane act!!

109 NJDhockeyfan  Jul 19, 2014 2:17:15pm
110 elizajane  Jul 19, 2014 2:22:40pm
111 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jul 19, 2014 2:23:36pm

Wow. The Society of Biblical Literature has a whole section with free PDF monographs:

sbl-site.org

112 blueraven  Jul 19, 2014 2:28:14pm

re: #109 NJDhockeyfan

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Or not

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Russia Reports Moscow Metro Explosion and Quickly Abandons Story

A story that was immediately reported by Russian media has quickly disappeared without explanation. There’s no sign of the story on the state-run Russia Today website, which had tweeted about an explosion just over an hour ago, leaving us to assume that it was an accident.

113 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jul 19, 2014 2:31:01pm

re: #112 blueraven

instagram.com

Ppl say it might have been a mere generator explosion.

114 Stanley Sea  Jul 19, 2014 2:32:01pm
115 Rightwingconspirator  Jul 19, 2014 2:32:45pm

re: #110 elizajane

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Blew up the plane, refused responsibility, stealing the evidence and now showing contempt for the mortal remains of your victims.

They seem nice.
/

If I thought there was a lost relative in that dump truck I’d be looking to kill someone. wow.

116 wrenchwench  Jul 19, 2014 2:36:57pm

re: #114 Stanley Sea

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Seems like last week when you look at all the progress we’ve made.

117 Stanley Sea  Jul 19, 2014 2:45:11pm

re: #116 wrenchwench

Seems like last week when you look at all the progress we’ve made.

Yep.

118 Higgs Boson's Mate  Jul 19, 2014 2:46:24pm

re: #110 elizajane

Are there any good guys in the fighting in Ukraine. It just looks to me like bunches of heavily armed thugs with civilians caught in the middle.

119 Rightwingconspirator  Jul 19, 2014 2:48:02pm

re: #118 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Why not the Ukrainian loyalists?

120 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jul 19, 2014 2:50:08pm

re: #118 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Are there any good guys in the fighting in Ukraine. It just looks to me like bunches of heavily armed thugs with civilians caught in the middle.

The Ukrainians?

121 Higgs Boson's Mate  Jul 19, 2014 2:50:15pm

re: #119 Rightwingconspirator

Thank you. Guess I have to educate myself a bit more.

122 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jul 19, 2014 2:50:57pm

re: #121 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Thank you. Guess I have to educate myself a bit more.

Seems like it.

123 Charles Johnson  Jul 19, 2014 2:51:39pm
124 blueraven  Jul 19, 2014 2:52:14pm

re: #118 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Are there any good guys in the fighting in Ukraine. It just looks to me like bunches of heavily armed thugs with civilians caught in the middle.

Define good guys.

There are the legitimate Ukrainian military forces fighting for the sovereign right of Ukraine against the illegitimate Russian backed rebel forces.

125 Amory Blaine  Jul 19, 2014 3:03:55pm

Thank goodness Obama is in the White House.

126 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jul 19, 2014 3:04:25pm

Somebody posted this interesting diagram:

127 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jul 19, 2014 3:04:36pm

re: #126 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

Image: Bs7lXH_CUAE8ZDR.jpg:large

128 The War TARDIS  Jul 19, 2014 3:06:26pm

re: #126 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

So, Ron Paul is a Russia supporting pig.

129 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jul 19, 2014 3:09:56pm

ronpaulinstitute.org

Dr. Paul reminds us that the problems in Ukraine did not begin with the separatists in the east, but with the US-instigated coup in Kiev months before:

It’s pretty evident that the whole problem in Ukraine started approximately a year ago when the Europeans, along with the United States, overthrew an elected government and overthrew [former Ukrainian president Viktor] Yanukovych — insisting that there’d be civil strife over there.

Dr. Paul advised that all sides use great caution until we know the facts of what happened:

Under these circumstances, it’s very difficult to get the real information so everybody’s angling to propagandize and make their position known… It’d be unwise to say, well, the Russians did it, or the Ukrainian government did it, or the rebels did it.

Paul is despicable.

130 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jul 19, 2014 3:11:33pm
131 Dr Lizardo  Jul 19, 2014 3:12:59pm

re: #129 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

This bit;

It’s pretty evident that the whole problem in Ukraine started approximately a year ago when the Europeans, along with the United States, overthrew an elected government and overthrew [former Ukrainian president Viktor] Yanukovych — insisting that there’d be civil strife over there.

is a really common theme among the righwingers and the Russia supporters; I’ve seen it everywhere, even here among Czech and German Russophiles, not to mention in the British media as well.

132 The War TARDIS  Jul 19, 2014 3:16:02pm

re: #129 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator
re: #131 Dr Lizardo

I will spread the word.

133 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jul 19, 2014 3:29:22pm

Babay… Need brain bleach, stat.

Youtube Video

134 Decatur Deb  Jul 19, 2014 4:29:35pm

re: #124 blueraven

Define good guys.

There are the legitimate Ukrainian military forces fighting for the sovereign right of Ukraine against the illegitimate Russian backed rebel forces.

Still have a soft spot for Riot Cleric.

Image: 470616745.jpg

135 BeenHereAwhile  Jul 19, 2014 5:48:14pm

re: #134 Decatur Deb

Still have a soft spot for Riot Cleric.

Image: 470616745.jpg

This is my guy. Talk about a tough audience.

136 wheat-dogghazi  Jul 19, 2014 8:28:43pm

MH17 crash: Dutch PM warns Putin on ‘last chance’ to help with plane disaster
thestar.com.my

The Dutch are livid, and getting angrier by the day.

137 Rocky-in-Connecticut  Jul 20, 2014 6:22:34am

Libertarian Putin-overs reveal day by day they are just as reactionary and nihilistic as the 70’s/80’s hard leftist street protesters were aligning with the USSR.

All of them sadly and pathetically play the morally equivalency fail game.

138 Jay in Oregon  Jul 20, 2014 8:00:40am

re: #67 Gus

It’s already happened.

EDIT: Bah, if I’d just read the very next comment…


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