Glenn Greenwald Smears Elizabeth Warren Using a Right Wing Attack Video

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Sometimes Glenn Greenwald does something that really brings out his true agenda — and it’s not at all related to helping advance progressive causes. The most important thing to Greenwald often seems to be simple sabotage of the democratic process, with smear tactics and ugly personal attacks the order of the day.

Today’s example is especially nasty, as Greenwald uses a video shot by a far right hatchet man to attack Senator Elizabeth Warren for not toeing his anti-Israel purity line.

This little eight second clip shows Warren walking to her next appearance at the Netroots Nation conference, when right winger Joe Schoffstall ambushes her to ask about Israel’s invasion of Gaza. Warren, obviously in a hurry, keeps on walking and doesn’t answer — and of course, the wingnuts who staged this hit piece claim she was “running away.”

The really ironic thing here is that Greenwald’s intent and the intent of the wingnut who made the video are exactly opposite. Greenwald’s trying to imply Warren isn’t pro-Palestinian enough, but the wingnut is implying she isn’t pro-Israel enough.

It’s quite amazing to see Greenwald, a purported hero of the progressive movement, attacking one of the most articulate and intelligent female voices for the progressive movement using the sleazy work of rabid right wingers — but it’s certainly not the first time Greenwald has aligned himself with the far right in order to smear and libel one of his many enemies.

(h/t: SpaceCityDemocrat.)

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1 Charles Johnson  Jul 19, 2014 3:29:51pm

By the way, here’s Sen. Warren’s official statement on Israel and Palestine: Veterans, Military Families & National Security | Elizabeth Warren for Senate

The U.S.-Israel Relationship and Middle East Peace

Since its founding more than 60 years ago, Israel and the United States have been steadfast, trusted, and reliable allies. I unequivocally support the right of a Jewish, democratic state of Israel to exist, and to be safe and secure. The U.S.-Israel relationship is rooted in shared values and common interests, based on a commitment to liberty, pluralism, and the rule of law. These values transcend time, and they are the basis of our unbreakable bond.

To me, it is a moral imperative to support and defend Israel, and I am committed to ensuring its long-term security by maintaining its qualitative military edge. Israel must be able to defend itself from the serious threats it faces from terrorist organizations to hostile states, including Iran, Hamas, Hezbollah, and others.

I am also a strong proponent of a two-state solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, which I believe to be in the interest of Israel and the United States, with a Jewish, democratic state of Israel and a state for the Palestinian people. The U.S. can and should play an active role in promoting a diplomatic resolution to the conflict that is agreed to by the parties, but I do not believe that a lasting peace can be imposed from the outside or that either party should take unilateral steps - such as the Palestinians’ application for UN membership - that move the parties further away from negotiations.

I am also deeply proud that Israel and Massachusetts are natural economic allies. Like Massachusetts, Israel has a real commitment and advantage in high-tech and innovative industries. There are approximately 100 companies in Massachusetts with Israeli founders or based on Israeli technologies - creating $2.4 billion in value and thousands of jobs for our economy.

As a United States Senator, I will work to ensure Israel’s security and success, and I will support active American leadership to help bring peace and security to Israel and the region.

That’s why Glenn Greenwald is attacking her.

2 wrenchwench  Jul 19, 2014 3:32:21pm

re: #1 Charles Johnson

By the way, here’s Sen. Warren’s official statement on Israel and Palestine: Veterans, Military Families & National Security | Elizabeth Warren for Senate

That’s why Glenn Greenwald is attacking her.

See, now why couldn’t she have said that to the guy who accosted her in the hallway?

3 Charles Johnson  Jul 19, 2014 3:32:47pm

re: #2 wrenchwench

See, now why couldn’t she have said that to the guy who accosted her in the hallway?

INORITE!

4 Ryan King  Jul 19, 2014 3:36:48pm

Wow, great post.

Greenwald is digging a hole I doubt he’ll ever get out of.

5 Joanne  Jul 19, 2014 3:39:32pm

re: #4 Ryan King

Wow, great post.

Greenwald is digging a hole I doubt he’ll ever get out of.

I don’t think so. The people who support him do so no matter what. The DKos diary comments are quite telling in that regard.

6 The War TARDIS  Jul 19, 2014 3:40:38pm

I would appreciate it if more Americans would care about the Palestinians. Especially now that with all to settlement blocks, and roads that Palestinians in the West Bank can’t use. Along with restrictions on water use for Palestinians that don’t exist for Israelis.

Granted, because of the history of Deir Yassin, Couch Folkestone Bernadotte, and the Lillehammer Affair, I do have a harsher view of Israel, and I will admit that.

7 Charles Johnson  Jul 19, 2014 3:40:59pm
8 b.d.  Jul 19, 2014 3:45:23pm

re: #5 Joanne

I don’t think so. The people who support him do so no matter what. The DKos diary comments are quite telling in that regard.

I’m taking that a different way. There was a time where news like this would have met with nearly unanimous screaming but that post is on the rec. list with lots of recommends. I haven’t delved to deeply but the Greenwald defenders look like the same crowd of paranoid, America hating, mouth breathing morons that one expect to see chime in, the overall tone is none too happy with Glenn.

I can’t understand why Greenwald has such a tendency to attack people who otherwise would be on his side and grow his audience rather than shrink it?

9 makeitstop  Jul 19, 2014 3:47:22pm

re: #8 b.d.

I can’t understand why Greenwald has such a tendency to attack people who otherwise would be on his side and grow his audience rather than shrink it?

Short answer: he’s virulently anti-American.

10 Charles Johnson  Jul 19, 2014 3:48:30pm

re: #5 Joanne

I don’t think so. The people who support him do so no matter what. The DKos diary comments are quite telling in that regard.

Actually, that post at DK made the rec list, and I was a little surprised to see quite a few commenters who are obviously not fans of the Mighty G.

11 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jul 19, 2014 3:51:22pm

re: #10 Charles Johnson

Even they are getting tired of negativity for the sake of negativity.

12 Skip Intro  Jul 19, 2014 3:53:03pm

So is The Intercept still in business? Last post by the Great And Powerful Greenwald was ten days ago. I’m not sure how the business model for a sporadic “news” site that rarely publishes is supposed to work.

13 Skip Intro  Jul 19, 2014 3:55:30pm

Now this is amusing.

Republicans Freak Out At Learning Reagan Decree Protects Lois Lerner

huffingtonpost.com

14 bratwurst  Jul 19, 2014 3:59:19pm

I figured I couldn’t possibly page anything dumber than Politico’s “Case for Mitt Romney in 2016” this summer, but I might have been wrong…Kyle Smith’s case for today’s youth flocking to the GOP here:

littlegreenfootballs.com

15 Joanne  Jul 19, 2014 4:00:36pm

re: #8 b.d.

What’s sad (to me) is his supporters in that DKos thread appear, in no way, to be the government hating crowd. They love him for Snowden and all else is forgiven. Some see him on a topic by topic basis vis a vis his work. Some feel as I do, that he’s a defensive, self serving schmuck who is ways part of the story, and there is no story without him being close to the center). But far too many give him a complete pass, excusing all the stuff they’d normally completely deride him over.

16 Charles Johnson  Jul 19, 2014 4:03:19pm

re: #15 Joanne

What’s sad (to me) is his supporters in that DKos thread appear, in no way, to be the government hating crowd. They love him for Snowden and all else is forgiven. Some see him on a topic by topic basis vis a vis his work. Some feel as I do, that he’s a defensive, self serving schmuck who is ways part of the story, and there is no story without him being close to the center). But far too many give him a complete pass, excusing all the stuff they’d normally completely deride him over.

It must be his sparkly, effervescent personality.

17 Charles Johnson  Jul 19, 2014 4:05:35pm

The really ironic thing here is that Greenwald’s intent and the intent of the wingnut who made the video are exactly opposite. Greenwald’s trying to imply that Warren isn’t pro-Palestinian enough, but the wingnut is implying she isn’t pro-Israel enough.

My aching head.

18 Joanne  Jul 19, 2014 4:07:30pm

re: #17 Charles Johnson

My aching head.

Always when it comes to GG. Always.

19 William Barnett-Lewis  Jul 19, 2014 4:07:39pm

re: #6 The War TARDIS

Remember that in this case he is not pro-Palestine. If the US supported Palestine over Israel he would be Israel’s biggest supporter.

Right or wrong is irrelevant to GG - it’s all about trying to damage the US by any means possible.

20 Ryan King  Jul 19, 2014 4:09:11pm

re: #17 Charles Johnson

The really ironic thing here is that Greenwald’s intent and the intent of the wingnut who made the video are exactly opposite. Greenwald’s trying to imply that Warren isn’t pro-Palestinian enough, but the wingnut is implying she isn’t pro-Israel enough.

My aching head.

It’s because they’re extremists: both extremes are promoted by the propaganda.

This is a bad as when he caught with his hand in the cookie jar sock drawer.

21 elizajane  Jul 19, 2014 4:09:51pm

On topic of last thread but just had to post this because it kind of made me cry:

22 Ogami Itto  Jul 19, 2014 4:10:39pm

How someone as arrogant and supercilious as Greenwald has attracted so many fawning groupies is perplexing to me.

And every time Snowden opens his mouth he sounds like a fool, not the genius superhacker he fancies himself.

What a strange cult of personality.

23 b.d.  Jul 19, 2014 4:11:57pm

Wait. Doesn’t Glenn always throw a tantrum when people accuse his silence on some issues somehow implies his indifference to the topic?

24 Stanley Sea  Jul 19, 2014 4:12:03pm

re: #17 Charles Johnson

The really ironic thing here is that Greenwald’s intent and the intent of the wingnut who made the video are exactly opposite. Greenwald’s trying to imply that Warren isn’t pro-Palestinian enough, but the wingnut is implying she isn’t pro-Israel enough.

My aching head.

The lines in the sand with this issue are killing me.

Old school purity tests.

25 Stanley Sea  Jul 19, 2014 4:14:04pm

re: #21 elizajane

On topic of last thread but just had to post this because it kind of made me cry:

[Embedded content]

Note the David Cameron byline.

26 Dr Lizardo  Jul 19, 2014 4:14:22pm

re: #21 elizajane

I noticed on the right column an article by PM David Cameron, “This Is An Atrocity Made In Moscow”.

That’s certainly pulling no punches. The Kremlin is gonna squeal like stuck pigs when they get a load of that.

Heh.

27 piratedan  Jul 19, 2014 4:15:34pm

re: #22 Ogami Itto

Greenwald is essentially devolved into some weird cross between Tiger Beat on the Amazon and Mayor of Galt’s Gulch, while he’s in full “I am the Final Arbitrator” mode.

In short, fuck him. He’s mostly chutzpah and bullshit and he missed his true calling selling used cars.

28 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jul 19, 2014 4:17:54pm

re: #26 Dr Lizardo

Finally some European leader with … resolve.

29 Ogami Itto  Jul 19, 2014 4:19:31pm

re: #27 piratedan

Even when I’ve agreed with Greenwald over the last decade or so, I’ve always found his demeanor louthesome.

30 The War TARDIS  Jul 19, 2014 4:20:04pm

re: #19 William Barnett-Lewis

Oh, that is my own personal frustration, I needed to let it out.

Writing a page about Libertarians. I finally figured out why so many of them tend to be awful people.

Personal Point: I have yet to meet someone who is a libertarian, who hasn’t been a terrible person.

31 The War TARDIS  Jul 19, 2014 4:20:34pm

re: #26 Dr Lizardo

Good luck getting Merkel to agree.

32 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jul 19, 2014 4:21:05pm

Hopefully these residents of Slavyansk will now treasure this new-found peace.

uainfo.org

33 Dr Lizardo  Jul 19, 2014 4:21:57pm

re: #28 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

Finally some European leader with … resolve.

Yep….good to see. Maybe Europe is waking up to what they’re actually dealing with in Moscow.

Now…..if only the scales would drop from Angel Merkel’s eyes, well, then maybe something positive could come about.

34 ObserverArt  Jul 19, 2014 4:22:07pm

re: #17 Charles Johnson

The really ironic thing here is that Greenwald’s intent and the intent of the wingnut who made the video are exactly opposite. Greenwald’s trying to imply that Warren isn’t pro-Palestinian enough, but the wingnut is implying she isn’t pro-Israel enough.

My aching head.

Artistic interpretation. It’s all in the eyes of the beholder.

I guess that makes it a tool of New Journalism. And it proves why everyone needs Glenn Greenwald…only he can give them this amazing interpretive sight.

/// Was that enough BS?

35 Ogami Itto  Jul 19, 2014 4:23:55pm

re: #30 The War TARDIS

Personal Point: I have yet to meet someone who is a libertarian, who hasn’t been a terrible person.

Back in my 20s I was a libertarian until I realized that I wasn’t a misanthrope, and that professional libertarians were mostly full of shit on economic issues.

36 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jul 19, 2014 4:24:25pm

re: #33 Dr Lizardo

At first she had the right attitude, but in the last couple of weeks something happened.

37 wrenchwench  Jul 19, 2014 4:25:07pm

re: #35 Ogami Itto

Back in my 20s I was a libertarian until I realized that I wasn’t a misanthrope, and that professional libertarians were mostly full of shit on economic issues.

Also, too: terrible on women’s issues and foreign policy. And everything else I can think of.

38 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jul 19, 2014 4:25:40pm

I’ve already written about the “antifascists” from this photo once:

Now there’s more info available at uglich-jj.livejournal.com

39 BillinGlendaleCA  Jul 19, 2014 4:26:45pm

re: #35 Ogami Itto

Libertarians are people who took the Economics survey courses and thought they had a mastery of everything about the field.

40 Ogami Itto  Jul 19, 2014 4:28:06pm

re: #37 wrenchwench

Also, too: terrible on women’s issues and foreign policy. And everything else I can think of.

Yeah, when I was hanging around libertarian message boards back in the 90s women’s issues and civil rights (for people of color) were rarely discussed and, when they were brought up, mostly minimized by the almost all-male, all-white commenters.

The only excuse I have for being so credulous is that I was young and dumb.

41 Dr Lizardo  Jul 19, 2014 4:30:17pm

re: #36 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

At first she had the right attitude, but in the last couple of weeks something happened.

If there is any good that comes from the atrocity, perhaps it may be that it will wake up Chancellor Merkel and cause her to realize that Putin simply cannot be trusted in any way, shape or form.

42 Decatur Deb  Jul 19, 2014 4:33:10pm

re: #38 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

I’ve already written about the “antifascists” from this photo once:

[Embedded image]

Now there’s more info available at uglich-jj.livejournal.com

Needs moar Gadsden flags.

43 jamesfirecat  Jul 19, 2014 4:34:27pm

re: #35 Ogami Itto

Back in my 20s I was a libertarian until I realized that I wasn’t a misanthrope, and that professional libertarians were mostly full of shit on economic issues.

My favorite story is of a friend who was group up “liberterian” right up until the point that he met some actual organized libertarians and the following conversation occurred.

Friend: (On the subject of a liberterian reading list) Yeah most of the stuff on here is pretty good, but why don’t you have The Jungle?

(You can guess how well that went down can’t you)

44 Dr Lizardo  Jul 19, 2014 4:36:48pm

And so goodnight, Lizards.

45 The Ghost of a Flea  Jul 19, 2014 4:38:17pm

re: #43 jamesfirecat

My favorite story is of a friend who was group up “liberterian” right up until the point that he met some actual organized libertarians and the following conversation occurred.

Friend: (On the subject of a liberterian reading list) Yeah most of the stuff on here is pretty good, but why don’t you have The Jungle?

(You can guess how well that went down can’t you)

The Libertarian party sounds awesome until I met a local candidate in HS and he was like “…and then we’ll shut down the FDA” and I was like “nope.”

Though I depressingly remained libertarian (read: privileged dick) about issues of race and gender well into college. Mea maxima culpa.

46 The War TARDIS  Jul 19, 2014 4:43:06pm

re: #45 The Ghost of a Flea

I have gained positivity towards my Autism recently. It has made me acutely aware about issues with being disadvantaged because of the fact that it has made my life harder as a White-Male.

47 thedopefishlives  Jul 19, 2014 4:49:00pm

re: #45 The Ghost of a Flea

The Libertarian party sounds awesome until I met a local candidate in HS and he was like “…and then we’ll shut down the FDA” and I was like “nope.”

Though I depressingly remained libertarian (read: privileged dick) about issues of race and gender well into college. Mea maxima culpa.

At least you were a libertarian. I was a conservative through almost the end of my college career.

48 The War TARDIS  Jul 19, 2014 4:50:30pm

re: #47 thedopefishlives

I found that conservatives are nicer than Libertarians.

49 thedopefishlives  Jul 19, 2014 4:51:01pm

re: #48 The War TARDIS

I found that conservatives are nicer than Libertarians.

*snort*

No, you don’t understand. I’m talking full-on RWNJ. If I had a Twitter account, I would’ve been Bryan Fischer.

50 thedopefishlives  Jul 19, 2014 4:52:15pm

re: #49 thedopefishlives

I would remind you all, I used to listen to Rush Limbaugh. Approvingly.

51 Higgs Boson's Mate  Jul 19, 2014 4:52:53pm

re: #46 The War TARDIS

My son is autistic. He’s pretty strongly afflicted. I am autistic. Being an Old, I just had to learn how not to appear too weird to everyone. Like many autistics, I am fairly capable at some things and a spectacular flop at others. No complaints.

52 Joanne  Jul 19, 2014 4:56:36pm

re: #45 The Ghost of a Flea

The Libertarian party sounds awesome until I met a local candidate in HS and he was like “…and then we’ll shut down the FDA” and I was like “nope.”

For me, it was until I met a full fledged, hard core Libertarian. I thought his ideas were insane.

I went on a blind date, and spent the entire dinner wishing I had stayed home. I begged off the movie and left…and severed any inclinations I had had with the Libertarians right then and there.

53 Charles Johnson  Jul 19, 2014 4:58:17pm
54 Gus  Jul 19, 2014 5:03:29pm

Warren should have just said, “I will not succumb to McCarthyite tactics!”

55 BeachDem  Jul 19, 2014 5:05:52pm

One other thing about Greenwald’s writing is that it is so boring. His long-winded, paragraph-length sentences are incredibly stilted. I find myself losing interest about 20 words into each one.

My journalism news-writing profs would also have flunked him for burying the lead (I’m old—it was the “lead” not the “lede” back in the dark ages.) Apparently, he never heard of the inverted pyramid.

56 wrenchwench  Jul 19, 2014 5:06:42pm

There’s a broken water main under the street right in front of my shop. OK, it’s actually next door. Took 20 minutes for someone from the city to show up. I’m pretty sure it’s making a big sinkhole under the pavement. When I saw the pavement go up and down when someone ran over it, I put cones across the road.

Then I was tempted to take them away so I could see a car fall in. I think I’m part Libertarian. (I didn’t do it though.)

57 thedopefishlives  Jul 19, 2014 5:10:23pm

re: #56 wrenchwench

There’s a broken water main under the street right in front of my shop. OK, it’s actually next door. Took 20 minutes for someone from the city to show up. I’m pretty sure it’s making a big sinkhole under the pavement. When I saw the pavement go up and down when someone ran over it, I put cones across the road.

Then I was tempted to take them away so I could see a car fall in. I think I’m part Libertarian. (I didn’t do it though.)

Nah, that’s a normal human reaction. We can’t take our eyes off of a train wreck.

58 RealityBasedSteve  Jul 19, 2014 5:17:05pm

The really ironic thing here is that Greenwald’s intent and the intent of the wingnut who made the video are exactly opposite. Greenwald’s trying to imply Warren isn’t pro-Palestinian enough, but the wingnut is implying she isn’t pro-Israel enough.

You say something, they twist it… You DON’T say something, they twist it… And civilized society says that you can’t feed them to the ANTS. These nutcases have got to be good for something, we just have to find a purpose to justify their current theft of our valuable oxygen.

RBS

59 The War TARDIS  Jul 19, 2014 5:19:05pm

Woohoo! Here it is!

Libertarian Personalities, or why Libertarians Make Poor Friends

60 RealityBasedSteve  Jul 19, 2014 5:19:10pm

re: #57 thedopefishlives

Nah, that’s a normal human reaction. We can’t take our eyes off of a train wreck.

As I’ve heard said once about an Army Officer Evaluation “His men would follow him anywhere, just out of a morbid sense to see what happens next”. I’m 99.9% sure it never occurred, but damn that’s a good line.

RBS

61 blueraven  Jul 19, 2014 5:19:21pm

re: #19 William Barnett-Lewis

Remember that in this case he is not pro-Palestine. If the US supported Palestine over Israel he would be Israel’s biggest supporter.

Right or wrong is irrelevant to GG - it’s all about trying to damage the US by any means possible.

He is a convert. Back in the day he had the opposite opinion…that the US could and should do anything for security.

There is a theory, maybe it has a name, that those who have very strong beliefs when persuaded to the other side go much farther to that side than those who hold the the same beliefs but with a more moderate position. This latter group when persuaded goes more to the center.

I think when GG realized he was on the wrong side of history he had to salvage his career. He went so far the other way that he can now blow off any criticism of his former positions. See…I saw the light, I am the avenger! How can you blame me for anything I said 10 years ago?

I am always happy to see a convert who takes a moderate position but boy, it is like some former alcoholics or smokers; they are almost insufferable.

Look at some former “liberals” like David Horowitz and Michael Savage.

Or…maybe it is just the $$$.

62 alpuz  Jul 19, 2014 5:24:28pm

My guess? It’s a bit of both, but mostly just the $$$.

63 Joanne  Jul 19, 2014 5:25:37pm

re: #54 Gus

Warren should have just said, “I will not succumb to McCarthyite tactics!”

I disagree. That makes it look like she’s ditching the question. She should have said, I’m sorry, I’m speaking in another session and I don’t have time to answer right now. (which looked to be true based on attendee statements).

She should respond. But that’s not a 30 second answer, it is nuanced. Heck, I’m torn on both sides: Hamas sucks, but Israel’s response is heavy-handed. Israel makes overtures and Hamas slaps them down. Not a situation with a sound byte answer.

64 Higgs Boson's Mate  Jul 19, 2014 5:26:38pm

re: #61 blueraven

I am always happy to see a convert who takes a moderate position but boy, it is like some former alcoholics or smokers; they are almost insufferable.

Look at some former “liberals” like David Horowitz and Michael Savage.

Or…maybe it is just the $$$.

Nicely put. I believe that there are at least two factors in play. One is that apostates might feel obligated to prove that they truly have changed their views. The other is that if you act too liberal you don’t get heard whereas, there doesn’t seem to be anything too excessive for a conservative.

65 Stanley Sea  Jul 19, 2014 5:30:35pm

re: #61 blueraven

He is a convert. Back in the day he had the opposite opinion…that the US could and should do anything for security.

There is a theory, maybe it has a name, that those who have very strong beliefs when persuaded to the other side go much farther to that side than those who hold the the same beliefs but with a more moderate position. This latter group when persuaded goes more to the center.

I think when GG realized he was on the wrong side of history he had to salvage his career. He went so far the other way that he can now blow off any criticism of his former positions. See…I saw the light, I am the avenger! How can you blame me for anything I said 10 years ago?

I am always happy to see a convert who takes a moderate position but boy, it is like some former alcoholics or smokers; they are almost insufferable.

Look at some former “liberals” like David Horowitz and Michael Savage.

Or…maybe it is just the $$$.

I vote the craven $$$ making.

66 Decatur Deb  Jul 19, 2014 5:31:03pm

That didn’t take long:

Eden Foods’ Hobby Lobby-esque Birth Control Fight Sparks Boycott

“”In accordance with his Catholic faith, Potter believes that any action which either before, at the moment of, or after sexual intercourse, is specifically intended to prevent procreation, whether as an end or means — including abortifacients and contraception — is wrong,” Erin Mersino, Eden’s lawyer from the conservative Thomas More Law Center, said in a statement sent to The Huffington Post on Friday.”

huffingtonpost.com

67 Charles Johnson  Jul 19, 2014 5:31:27pm

re: #63 Joanne

She may very well have known that this guy was a wingnut hitman. He was probably harassing people all day - it’s what they do.

68 Ryan King  Jul 19, 2014 5:33:20pm

The only difference between a Iibertarian and a wingnut is a bong and a Bible.

69 RealityBasedSteve  Jul 19, 2014 5:33:53pm

re: #63 Joanne

I disagree. That makes it look like she’s ditching the question. She should have said, I’m sorry, I’m speaking in another session and I don’t have time to answer right now. (which looked to be true based on attendee statements).

She should respond. But that’s not a 30 second answer, it is nuanced. Heck, I’m torn on both sides: Hamas sucks, but Israel’s response is heavy-handed. Israel makes overtures and Hamas slaps them down. Not a situation with a sound byte answer.

That is one of the reasons that I LOVE NPR. I really appreciate that they do 7-10 minute pieces on a story. It allows a degree of analysis, perspective and nuance that you don’t get in standard talk radio, where it seems to be the rule that no one piece can last more than 1 minute before we cut to 3 more commercials. The last time I found myself listening to AM talk, I found it so frantic and shallow that I became angry at the radio (yea, I know…)

RBS

70 Killgore Trout  Jul 19, 2014 5:34:43pm

Palestinians Starting To Have Mixed Feelings About Being Used As Human Shields

“When I think about it, I guess I’d go so far as to say that I don’t completely enjoy how this is being done entirely without my consent. And I’m not crazy about the fact that Hamas is actually okay with me dying as long as it fuels both resentment toward Israel and support for the party. If I’m being honest, I don’t like that part at all. But then, sometimes I put myself in Hamas’ shoes, and I guess I sort of appreciate where they’re coming from, so it’s tough. Of course, my kids hate it—they’ve actually told me that a couple of times. Oh, well, I guess I’ll give it a couple more weeks and see how I feel about it then.”

71 Rightwingconspirator  Jul 19, 2014 5:35:46pm

Some difficult facts confront our President in how to move forward with Russia. After all the chain of responsibility points straight to Vladimir Putin regardless of whether s separatist or a Russian pushed the launch button.
Paged for discussion

72 Charles Johnson  Jul 19, 2014 5:35:56pm

This 9/11 Truther chowderhead probably thought I was being sincere.

73 Charles Johnson  Jul 19, 2014 5:36:23pm
74 1Peter G1  Jul 19, 2014 5:39:43pm

Well Elizabeth did have a lot of the attention at Netroots. That can’t have sat well with Glenn. Come Glennbots and say with me the Shamalamadingdong. Lay out your prayer Guardian, kneel and bow your head towards Glenn’s last GPS location. Speak: There is no Journalist but Glenn and only he may profit.

75 CuriousLurker  Jul 19, 2014 5:41:21pm

re: #61 blueraven

I am always happy to see a convert who takes a moderate position but boy, it is like some former alcoholics or smokers; they are almost insufferable.

Look at some former “liberals” like David Horowitz and Michael Savage.

Or…maybe it is just the $$$.

No, I think it’s something in the personality. I’ve seen the same thing many times with religion. Some of the strictest, most dogmatic and inflexible Muslims I’ve known have been converts who were previously just as extreme, only in the opposite direction.

One day a guy’s gang banger, a crazy drugged-out musician, a hard-drinking womanizer, etc. then you turn around and suddenly he’s converted and become a scowling bearded holier-than-thou salafi who’s critical of everyone, refuses to make even the briefest eye contact with women, and demands that his wife wear not just hijab, but also niqab, etc.

It’s… weird. It’s like they’re incapable of doing anything in moderation.

76 goddamnedfrank  Jul 19, 2014 5:41:32pm

The AirBNB logo Tumblr.

FYI: Not entirely safe for work.

77 wrenchwench  Jul 19, 2014 5:43:18pm

A NEW JOHN HIATT ALBUM WHY DIDN’T ANYONE TELL ME

78 RealityBasedSteve  Jul 19, 2014 5:44:57pm

re: #76 goddamnedfrank

The Air BNB logo Tumblr.

FYI: Not entirely safe for work.

I know we’ve got experts in every area here. What would be a standard charge by a design studio to come up with a logo design for a company. I’m looking for ways to monetize my lack of abilities and talents, and this may be an opportunity.

RBS

79 Rightwingconspirator  Jul 19, 2014 5:46:54pm

re: #75 CuriousLurker

…It’s like they’re incapable of doing anything in moderation.

Bullseye.

80 CuriousLurker  Jul 19, 2014 5:47:32pm

re: #75 CuriousLurker

P.S. And it’s not just the guys—it happens with women too.

81 RealityBasedSteve  Jul 19, 2014 5:48:20pm

re: #80 CuriousLurker

P.S. And it’s not just the guys—it happens with women too.

Ah, the classic ‘Preachers Daughter’ effect.

RBS

82 CuriousLurker  Jul 19, 2014 5:49:58pm

re: #81 RealityBasedSteve

Ah, the classic ‘Preachers Daughter’ effect.

RBS

Exactly, just in reverse.

83 blueraven  Jul 19, 2014 5:49:59pm

re: #75 CuriousLurker

No, I think it’s something in the personality. I’ve seen the same thing many times with religion. Some of the strictest, most dogmatic and inflexible Muslims I’ve known have been converts who were previously just as extreme in the opposite direction.

One day a guy’s gang banger, a crazy drugged-out musician, a hard-drinking womanizer, etc. then you turn around and suddenly he’s converted and become a scowling bearded holier-than-thou salafi who’s critical of everyone, refuses to make even the briefest eye contact with women, and demands that his wife wear not just hijab, but also niqab, etc.

It’s… weird. It’s like they’re incapable of doing anything in moderation.

Yes, its as if their previous life is completely wiped out…no compassion, no compromise, no understanding or nuance allowed.

84 Joanne  Jul 19, 2014 5:51:05pm

re: #67 Charles Johnson

She may very well have known that this guy was a wingnut hitman. He was probably harassing people all day - it’s what they do.

Agreed. Completely. And likely, too. Warren is a sharp cookie.

One of the things Dems could improve on is optics. (I’ll set aside, for the moment, the Damned If You Do, Damned If You Don’t situation.). And the optics of saying what Gus suggested (while personally loving it), creates negative optics, as shown in the intent of titling this video “Warren Runs Screaming From Answering Questions!” (sic), trying to liken her to Scott Brown literally hiding in the bathroom from journalists.

I wish we could get people on the record of their positions and look at those positions from venue to venue (I caught Bush 2 in a major contradiction in 2000 from what was in his website to what he said to a group of women, which made me say No Way to him). But on any scale that would truly matter, that would require real journalists, not partisans. And everyone it seems these days, are partisan.

85 wrenchwench  Jul 19, 2014 5:51:40pm

They finally got the water shut off.

86 CuriousLurker  Jul 19, 2014 5:52:15pm

re: #85 wrenchwench

They finally got the water shut off.

?

87 RealityBasedSteve  Jul 19, 2014 5:52:42pm

re: #77 wrenchwench

A NEW JOHN HIATT ALBUM WHY DIDN’T ANYONE TELL ME

I’d have to check the duty roster to be sure but I think that….
{looking to see who’s around to blame….}

Yea, K_T was responsible for that… Yea, totally not me…. I’d show you the roster myself, but, ah, the cat just ate it, and I don’t have a backup

{yea… She’ll totally buy that… we’re good}

RBS

88 wrenchwench  Jul 19, 2014 5:52:43pm

re: #86 CuriousLurker

?

See # 56

89 alpuz  Jul 19, 2014 5:53:18pm

re: #85 wrenchwench

and your cones?

90 RealityBasedSteve  Jul 19, 2014 5:53:38pm

re: #86 CuriousLurker

?

re: #56 wrenchwench

There’s a broken water main under the street right in front of my shop. OK, it’s actually next door. Took 20 minutes for someone from the city to show up. I’m pretty sure it’s making a big sinkhole under the pavement. When I saw the pavement go up and down when someone ran over it, I put cones across the road.

Then I was tempted to take them away so I could see a car fall in. I think I’m part Libertarian. (I didn’t do it though.)

91 wrenchwench  Jul 19, 2014 5:53:46pm

re: #88 wrenchwench

See # 56

BTW, how do you make a comment number into a clickable button in a comment?

92 CuriousLurker  Jul 19, 2014 5:54:19pm

re: #88 wrenchwench

See # 56

Oh, crap!

93 wrenchwench  Jul 19, 2014 5:54:23pm

re: #89 alpuz

and your cones?

I got them back. The street is blocked by cop cars on both sides.

94 wrenchwench  Jul 19, 2014 5:56:06pm

My water still works. I wonder whose doesn’t.

95 RealityBasedSteve  Jul 19, 2014 5:56:09pm

re: #91 wrenchwench

It’s complicated… don’t worry about it…

RBS
Who still recalls that “Chicksplain” crack you made.

96 jamesfirecat  Jul 19, 2014 5:56:17pm

re: #83 blueraven

Yes, its as if their previous life is completely wiped out…no compassion, no compromise, no understanding or nuance allowed.

See Zachary Comstock for those of us who have played Bioshock Infinite…

97 CuriousLurker  Jul 19, 2014 5:56:52pm

re: #91 wrenchwench

BTW, how do you make a comment number into a clickable button in a comment?

I usually just go to the comment, hit “Reply”, and strip out the extra stuff (the <em> tag & username).

98 wrenchwench  Jul 19, 2014 5:57:19pm

re: #95 RealityBasedSteve

It’s complicated… don’t worry about it…

RBS
Who still recalls that “Chicksplain” crack you made.

Was it funny?

99 alpuz  Jul 19, 2014 5:57:23pm

re: #93 wrenchwench

Good. There’s a youtube vid I’m happy not to have seen. By the way, if you ride in the winter on salted roads, skewers go bad. Real bad.

100 wrenchwench  Jul 19, 2014 5:58:15pm

re: #97 CuriousLurker

I usually just go to the comment, hit “Reply”, and strip out the extra stuff (the <em> tag & username).

I think I can handle that.

Thanks!

101 RealityBasedSteve  Jul 19, 2014 6:01:07pm

re: #83 blueraven

Yes, its as if their previous life is completely wiped out…no compassion, no compromise, no understanding or nuance allowed.

As somebody with some knowledge in the area (some academic, most of it very hard earned and personal), that is a very common trait in people with addictive personalities. There is very little middle ground, things tend to be viewed in “Black - White” terms. Often too the individual feels that they personally have little control over their life, their locus is more externally controlled rather than internally.

Someone once commented about AA that in many cases people are just substituting 1 addiction for another. (and that may well be true, at least in people who never progress well in their recovery)

RBS

102 bratwurst  Jul 19, 2014 6:02:24pm
103 wrenchwench  Jul 19, 2014 6:03:12pm

re: #99 alpuz

Good. There’s youtube vid I’m happy not to have seen. By the way, if you ride in the winter on salted roads, skewers go bad. Real bad.

Salted roads are very bad for bikes. I’ve seen aluminum spoke nipples crumble like a cookie.

There are so many lousy QR skewers out there, it’s shocking. And Trek is recalling a fork because the dropouts break, then another manufacturer who used the same fork had to explain that it’s not the fork, it’s the skewers Trek was using with them. I think it’s the ones they designed so you don’t have to loosen and tighten it to get past the lip on the dropout.

104 RealityBasedSteve  Jul 19, 2014 6:05:04pm

re: #98 wrenchwench

Was it funny?

Yes, it was. Somebody said “Oh, So-and-So is online” and I asked how could you tell. I had happened to make a comment earlier about drinking a Fresca. You said something like “Oh a Fresca, that’s perfect, let me chicksplain it for you”. (it was about the question mark button)

That just tickled me for some reason, just wanted to razz you back. :)

RBS

105 alpuz  Jul 19, 2014 6:07:40pm

re: #103 wrenchwench

Yep. Finding that out. I’m on a pugs, from Surly. So, salt is always in the mix. But yeah, I’m learning a lot!

106 Rightwingconspirator  Jul 19, 2014 6:09:16pm

My Page

testing somethin’

107 Rightwingconspirator  Jul 19, 2014 6:10:18pm

re: #97 CuriousLurker

Thanks CL I looked at that and the substituted my page address for the destination… I think I just made up a My Page button.

108 D Koch  Jul 19, 2014 6:10:28pm

BWHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAAHHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHHA

Griftwald’s cult of flying monkeys are now tasked with the suicidal mission of attacking Warren.

nom…. nom….. nom…. nom…. nom….. nom…. nom…. nom….. nom….

109 alpuz  Jul 19, 2014 6:10:48pm

re: #105 alpuz

Especially when the rear wheel falls off mid-ride. Okay, back to your regularly scheduled program. Hemlock Grove is on for the night.

110 CuriousLurker  Jul 19, 2014 6:12:26pm

re: #103 wrenchwench

Salted roads are very bad for bikes. I’ve seen aluminum spoke nipples crumble like a cookie.

There are so many lousy QR skewers out there, it’s shocking. And Trek is recalling a fork because the dropouts break, then another manufacturer who used the same fork had to explain that it’s not the fork, it’s the skewers Trek was using with them. I think it’s the ones they designed so you don’t have to loosen and tighten it to get past the lip on the dropout.

*blinking*

Okay if you try to read that with the standard definitions of those words… LOL… Crumbled nipples? Freaking lousy dropouts should’ve stayed in school and they wouldn’t be having this problem, and I am so sick of eating utensils being blamed for being substandard when it was actually the grilling skewers that were the problem all along.

111 Stanley Sea  Jul 19, 2014 6:13:15pm

re: #108 D Koch

BWHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAAHHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHHA

Griftwald’s cult of flying monkeys are now tasked with the suicidal mission of attacking Warren.

[Embedded image]

nom…. nom….. nom…. nom…. nom….. nom…. nom…. nom….. nom….

It’s rather comical. Elizabeth Warren is the new threat. Watch for the GOP to follow.

112 Charles Johnson  Jul 19, 2014 6:14:04pm

re: #106 Rightwingconspirator

Actually, here’s an even better way to do that:

RWC’s Wonderful Page!

The code:

<a href="http://littlegreenfootballs.com/page/310088_You_Can_Hide_The_Missile_Parts" class="button">RWC's Wonderful Page!</a>
113 wrenchwench  Jul 19, 2014 6:14:38pm

re: #110 CuriousLurker

lol

114 CuriousLurker  Jul 19, 2014 6:14:50pm

re: #107 Rightwingconspirator

Thanks CL I looked at that and the substituted my page address for the destination… I think I just made up a My Page button.

Heh, yep, you sure did. I pressed it and it worked.

115 wrenchwench  Jul 19, 2014 6:15:13pm

re: #112 Charles Johnson

Actually, here’s an even better way to do that:

RWC’s Wonderful Page!

The code:

[Embedded content]

Can you make it open in a new tab?

116 Rightwingconspirator  Jul 19, 2014 6:15:40pm

re: #112 Charles Johnson

Cool thanks.

117 Charles Johnson  Jul 19, 2014 6:16:57pm

re: #115 wrenchwench

Can you make it open in a new tab?

You betcha!

RWC’s Wonderful Page!

The code:

<a href="http://littlegreenfootballs.com/page/310088_You_Can_Hide_The_Missile_Parts" class="button" target="_blank">RWC's Wonderful Page!</a>
118 wrenchwench  Jul 19, 2014 6:18:04pm

re: #117 Charles Johnson

I suppose I have to reload now.

119 Gus  Jul 19, 2014 6:18:04pm

RWC’s Wonderful Page!

120 Charles Johnson  Jul 19, 2014 6:18:30pm

Here’s the deal:

class=”rep” creates a small button with very little padding.

class=”button” creates something that really looks like a button.

target=”_blank” forces the link to open in a new tab or window.

121 Rightwingconspirator  Jul 19, 2014 6:18:47pm

re: #119 Gus

RWC’s Wonderful Page!

ROFL! For realz.

122 Charles Johnson  Jul 19, 2014 6:19:03pm

re: #119 Gus

Yes, you can even do that!

123 Skip Intro  Jul 19, 2014 6:19:19pm

re: #78 RealityBasedSteve

I know we’ve got experts in every area here. What would be a standard charge by a design studio to come up with a logo design for a company. I’m looking for ways to monetize my lack of abilities and talents, and this may be an opportunity.

RBS

You need to have two character traits to succeed. Be able to bullshit without shame and have the confidence of a GOPer who’s just been told by God to run for President.

124 RealityBasedSteve  Jul 19, 2014 6:19:38pm

re: #120 Charles Johnson

Here’s the deal:

class=”rep” creates a small button with very little padding.

class=”button” creates something that really looks like a button.

target=”_blank” forces the link to open in a new tab or window.

Charles,

You want to teach my HTML5 / Javascript class next week? I’ll pay ya 20 bucks.

RBS

125 Stanley Sea  Jul 19, 2014 6:19:56pm

re: #115 wrenchwench

Can you make it open in a new tab?

Yes, Charles - new request. When someone posts their page and you click it you go to their page. Good, but would be wonderful if it opened in a new window instead of replacing your place in the comments/current page.

Muchas gracias.

126 Rightwingconspirator  Jul 19, 2014 6:20:29pm

re: #119 Gus

Page pimping just stepped up to a whole new level.

127 CuriousLurker  Jul 19, 2014 6:23:00pm

re: #119 Gus

re: #120 Charles Johnson

Here’s the deal:

class=”rep” creates a small button with very little padding.

class=”button” creates something that really looks like a button.

target=”_blank” forces the link to open in a new tab or window.

You need to make a special class=”gus” that’ll make whatever you put in it all big and colorful and shouty, like an angry Argentinean guy flipping his desk.

// LOL

128 wrenchwench  Jul 19, 2014 6:23:38pm

re: #110 CuriousLurker

*blinking*

Okay if you try to read that with the standard definitions of those words… LOL… Crumbled nipples? Freaking lousy dropouts should’ve stayed in school and they wouldn’t be having this problem, and I am so sick of eating utensils being blamed for being substandard when it was actually the grilling skewers that were the problem all along.

The first shop I worked in was run by two women. One of them would not say the word ‘nipple’. She called them ‘spoke nuts’.

129 Joanne  Jul 19, 2014 6:24:17pm

re: #124 RealityBasedSteve

Charles,

You want to teach my HTML5 / Javascript class next week? I’ll pay ya 20 bucks.

RBS

Lord knows I need that class!!

130 Charles Johnson  Jul 19, 2014 6:24:52pm

re: #125 Stanley Sea

Yes, Charles - new request. When someone posts their page and you click it you go to their page. Good, but would be wonderful if it opened in a new window instead of replacing your place in the comments/current page.

Muchas gracias.

That’s one of those issues that gets people arguing on both sides. Some want new windows, others hate having new windows open all the time.

But there’s a pretty easy solution you can use yourself - instead of left-clicking, right-click on the link and then choose “Open in New Window” from the popup menu.

131 wrenchwench  Jul 19, 2014 6:25:02pm

re: #104 RealityBasedSteve

Yes, it was. Somebody said “Oh, So-and-So is online” and I asked how could you tell. I had happened to make a comment earlier about drinking a Fresca. You said something like “Oh a Fresca, that’s perfect, let me chicksplain it for you”. (it was about the question mark button)

That just tickled me for some reason, just wanted to razz you back. :)

RBS

I think of Fresca as a feminine beverage. I don’t usually think of inanimate things as having gender. Was it marketed to women when it was new?

132 Charles Johnson  Jul 19, 2014 6:25:48pm

re: #127 CuriousLurker

Maybe it should also include a background image of a flipping desk on fire.

133 CuriousLurker  Jul 19, 2014 6:26:08pm

re: #122 Charles Johnson

Oh, snap—SS just reminded me of another request! (Stop making that face.)

Can we automatically be subscribed to receive “all comments” for any Pages we create? I dunno, maybe some may not like the idea, but I would as sometimes I forget to subscribe to my own comment threads.

134 Gus  Jul 19, 2014 6:26:12pm

re: #127 CuriousLurker

You need to make a special class=”gus” that’ll make whatever you put in it all big and colorful and shouty, like an angry Argentinean guy flipping his desk.

// LOL

Thanks. Need a second wind here.

135 wrenchwench  Jul 19, 2014 6:27:02pm

re: #105 alpuz

Yep. Finding that out. I’m on a pugs, from Surly. So, salt is always in the mix. But yeah, I’m learning a lot!

I’m building a Moonlander for a customer. He’s been collecting parts for three years and finally brought them all in TODAY.

136 CuriousLurker  Jul 19, 2014 6:27:26pm

re: #132 Charles Johnson

Maybe it should also include a background image of a flipping desk on fire.

Now you’re talking!

137 Charles Johnson  Jul 19, 2014 6:27:32pm

re: #133 CuriousLurker

Oh, snap—SS just reminded me of another request! (Stop making that face.)

Can we automatically be subscribed to receive “all comments” for any Pages we create? I dunno, maybe some may not like the idea, but I would as sometimes I forget to subscribe to my own comment threads.

That’s an idea. I shall ponder it.

138 andres  Jul 19, 2014 6:31:42pm

This smear attack might also be a product of Greenwald feeling the Napoleon Complex: he feels he’s not important enough, so he has to take out anyone who can make a difference. Anyone who might rises a question about his sloppy news stories1 is a threat to be suppressed, not a chance to self reflect and build bridges2.

re: #16 Charles Johnson

It must be his sparkly, effervescent personality.

Wait, GG is a Twilight Vampire now? F*ck, that explains so much. //

1. I’m being generous here. Most of his stories are a few degrees closer to fiction that to reality.

2. Which is what actual politics are about.

139 Charles Johnson  Jul 19, 2014 6:32:58pm
140 alpuz  Jul 19, 2014 6:34:45pm

re: #135 wrenchwench

Garage meet Moonlander. Is it a black one, or one of the new white ones?

141 CuriousLurker  Jul 19, 2014 6:34:55pm

re: #139 Charles Johnson

I started to binge-watch it last night, then changed my mind. Gonna try to stretch it out for at least a couple of weeks.

142 D Koch  Jul 19, 2014 6:37:36pm

This isn’t the first time Griftwald has cited wingnut sources to smear Democrats.

He’s a big #BENGHAZI Truther.

For a full week now, administration officials have categorically insisted that the prime, if not only, cause of the attack was spontaneous anger over the anti-Muhammad film, The Innocence of Muslims.

***

To date, numerous people believe - as though there were no dispute about it - that Muslims attacked the consulate and killed the US ambassador “because they were angry about a film”.

As it turns out, this claim is almost certainly false.

***

To the contrary, most evidence from the start strongly suggested that the White House’s claims - that this attack was motivated by anger over a film - were false.

***

The Obama White House’s interest in spreading this falsehood is multi-fold and obvious.

***

If the killing of the ambassador were premeditated and unrelated to the film, then it vests credibility in the criticism that the consulate should have been much better-protected, particularly on 9/11

He adopted and trafficked in all the wingnut lies and smears on BENGHAZI.

At this rate, by the time Obama boards Marine One for the last time on January 20, 2017, Griftwald will be citing Stormfront.

143 CuriousLurker  Jul 19, 2014 6:37:58pm

re: #135 wrenchwench

I’m building a Moonlander for a customer. He’s been collecting parts for three years and finally brought them all in TODAY.

Damn, I’m glad alpuz supplied a photo. I was like, “WTF? When did ww start working for NASA? Are they ordering moon bikes for astronauts now?”

144 Stanley Sea  Jul 19, 2014 6:43:14pm

re: #130 Charles Johnson

That’s one of those issues that gets people arguing on both sides. Some want new windows, others hate having new windows open all the time.

But there’s a pretty easy solution you can use yourself - instead of left-clicking, right-click on the link and then choose “Open in New Window” from the popup menu.

Thank you! (I figured that out after many page escapes)

145 Stanley Sea  Jul 19, 2014 6:44:11pm

re: #131 wrenchwench

I think of Fresca as a feminine beverage. I don’t usually think of inanimate things as having gender. Was it marketed to women when it was new?

Diet drink for the wimmins.

It’s super tasty though, so fuck them.

146 Charles Johnson  Jul 19, 2014 6:44:47pm

re: #142 D Koch

He also pimped for the extreme right wing militia Oathkeepers.

littlegreenfootballs.com

147 wrenchwench  Jul 19, 2014 6:45:03pm

re: #140 alpuz

Garage meet Moonlander. Is it a black one, or one of the new white ones?[Embedded image]

OUCH.

It’s black. He got the frame first.

148 Stanley Sea  Jul 19, 2014 6:45:38pm

re: #139 Charles Johnson

Rectify? Sundance. I love it.

149 RealityBasedSteve  Jul 19, 2014 6:46:52pm

re: #144 Stanley Sea

Thank you! (I figured that out after many page escapes)

also (at least with Chrome) Alt or Ctrl + Center click opens it in a background tab, Shift + Center Click opens it in a new tab, and makes it the active tab.

150 alpuz  Jul 19, 2014 6:47:20pm

re: #143 CuriousLurker

It’s a super fatbike. Made for those who roll on two wheels over snow or sand. It’s the big daddy of the fatbike world. It doesn’t work well when one leaves it on their roof and drives into the garage.

151 wrenchwench  Jul 19, 2014 6:47:29pm

OK, gotta go. No kitteh, but since it’s Stanley that gets mad when I don’t post a kitteh, I saved something special for her planless weekend.

Later, lizards.

152 Eventual Carrion  Jul 19, 2014 6:48:32pm

re: #131 wrenchwench

I think of Fresca as a feminine beverage. I don’t usually think of inanimate things as having gender. Was it marketed to women when it was new?

Real men drink Squirt. Happens to be what I am drinking now.

153 Stanley Sea  Jul 19, 2014 6:49:05pm

re: #146 Charles Johnson

He also pimped for the extreme right wing militia Oathkeepers.

littlegreenfootballs.com

One of Ted Cruz most used photos is w/ Oathkeeper flag, The majority have no clue.

154 Decatur Deb  Jul 19, 2014 6:49:26pm

re: #152 Eventual Carrion

Real men drink Squirt. Happens to be what I am drinking now.

Pour some Amaretto in there, and it’s a whole ‘nother drink.

155 CuriousLurker  Jul 19, 2014 6:50:31pm

re: #150 alpuz

It’s a super fatbike. Made for those who roll on two wheels over snow or sand. It’s the big daddy of the fatbike world. It doesn’t work well when one leaves it on their roof and drives into the garage.

Whoa, you’re not kidding! I just googled it. O_o

156 Stanley Sea  Jul 19, 2014 6:50:37pm

re: #151 wrenchwench

OK, gotta go. No kitteh, but since it’s Stanley that gets mad when I don’t post a kitteh, I saved something special for her planless weekend.

[Embedded content]

Later, lizards.

Love ya WW

157 Aqua Obama  Jul 19, 2014 6:53:15pm

heh…

Image: Bs0R9crIQAAVMtk.png

158 CuriousLurker  Jul 19, 2014 6:56:23pm

re: #152 Eventual Carrion

Real men drink Squirt. Happens to be what I am drinking now.

&^%$$%#! I knew I shouldn’t have done that. I was in Google Images, and being unfamiliar with that beverage I typed “squirt” into the search box and hit “enter” just as I realized what kind of results I was likely to get.

Some days I really hate the internet.

If y’all will excuse me now, I’m gonna go try to find some brain bleach in an attempt to unsee what I just saw…

Later, lizards.

159 Stanley Sea  Jul 19, 2014 6:56:28pm

re: #157 Aqua Obama

heh…
Image: Bs0R9crIQAAVMtk.png

I hope he’s feeling the hammer,

160 Varek Raith  Jul 19, 2014 6:57:27pm

Good evening.

161 CuriousLurker  Jul 19, 2014 6:58:00pm

*waves to Varek on the way out*

162 RealityBasedSteve  Jul 19, 2014 6:58:04pm

re: #155 CuriousLurker

Whoa, you’re not kidding! I just googled it. O_o

Even us recumbent riders have taken to the “super fat” revolution… (and we never do anything that’s not mainstream). Company called Lightfoot Cycles makes an off-road recument called the “Ranger”. The Super Fat version is called “Bigfoot”.

Not exactly my cup of tea, but hey, it’s a bike. (at least by my definition)

And no, that’s not me.

163 Varek Raith  Jul 19, 2014 6:59:20pm

re: #161 CuriousLurker

*waves to Varek on the way out*

*Waves*

164 RealityBasedSteve  Jul 19, 2014 7:02:50pm

re: #161 CuriousLurker

*waves to Varek on the way out*

re: #163 Varek Raith

*Waves*

Must be shift change.

Sam and Ralph…

RBS

165 alpuz  Jul 19, 2014 7:04:06pm

re: #162 RealityBasedSteve

Fat, in my opinion is good all around. Pavement riding? Welp, not so much. But yeah, it’s a fun ride.

166 RealityBasedSteve  Jul 19, 2014 7:06:46pm

re: #165 alpuz

Fat, in my opinion is good all around. Pavement riding? Welp, not so much. But yeah, it’s a fun ride.

One of my ‘bents has 20 inch BMX sized wheels, 1.5 inch tires. It’s a nice smooth city ride, but not the one that I’d choose for a cross country trek. Did do about 500 miles on it in a week up in Iowa a few years ago however.

RBS

167 jaunte  Jul 19, 2014 7:09:25pm

168 Charles Johnson  Jul 19, 2014 7:09:34pm

This probably isn’t going to end well.

169 jaunte  Jul 19, 2014 7:10:19pm

(from the Kidde fire extinguishers site)

170 RealityBasedSteve  Jul 19, 2014 7:15:13pm

re: #167 jaunte

[Embedded image]

That desk is flaming so hard that it’s flipped itself over.

RBS

171 Charles Johnson  Jul 19, 2014 7:16:27pm
172 Charles Johnson  Jul 19, 2014 7:18:19pm

I can almost predict to the word how this is going to go.

173 D Koch  Jul 19, 2014 7:22:27pm

If Griftwald is truly worried about civil liberties and national security state, why hasn’t he said a word about the police state that exists in his adopted country of Brazil.

Dispatch after dispatch on Brazil’s decent into fascism has been published in The Nation, yet not a peep from the Grifter, himself.

Why Is Blackwater Helping to Train Brazil’s World Cup Security?

Brazil’s World Cup Gentrification Through the Barrel of a Gun

‘Exporting Gaza’: The Arming of Brazil’s World Cup Security

Dispatches From Brazil’s World Cup: ‘No One Lives Here Anymore’

174 Charles Johnson  Jul 19, 2014 7:26:32pm
175 Charles Johnson  Jul 19, 2014 7:26:46pm
176 Decatur Deb  Jul 19, 2014 7:33:21pm

Has this one made it to LGF yet?

Weird Al: First World Problems

Youtube Video

Note: Not sure that’s not pirated. (it’s also the worst music he’s ever parodied.)

177 The War TARDIS  Jul 19, 2014 7:35:19pm

re: #175 Charles Johnson

Didn’t Greenwald go to a Far-Right conference thereafter?

I honestly think that Greenwald and Snowden are willing dupes for Putin who have a hate for the US.

178 D Koch  Jul 19, 2014 7:37:25pm

Jason Schulman thinks Grfitwald must be sympathetic to socialism because he sells his books at a socialist conference.

By that logic he must also think Griftwald is a hateful, fascist, reactionary for selling his books on Fixxed News — right?

179 The War TARDIS  Jul 19, 2014 7:38:57pm

Hey, uh, does anyone have more information about this situation?

Visiting Ghana Soccer Fans Are Now Appealing To Brazil’s Govt For Asylum

180 jaunte  Jul 19, 2014 7:42:02pm

re: #179 The War TARDIS

“…While 178 Ghanaians have sought asylum in Brazil so far, about 1,000 more are expected to request refugee status once the tournament is over.

With asylum applications, Ghanaians can apply for work permits and find jobs in the country.

The applications have been filed in the southern city of Caxias do Sul of the prosperous Serra Gaucha region, home to many immigrants from Syria, Haiti and Senegal.”
ibtimes.co.uk

181 Ryan King  Jul 19, 2014 7:43:56pm

re: #172 Charles Johnson

I can almost predict to the word how this is going to go.

Do you think he’s trying to feign being polite before he goes full metal libertarian on you?

Honest question.

182 Charles Johnson  Jul 19, 2014 7:44:38pm
183 William Barnett-Lewis  Jul 19, 2014 7:45:29pm

Getting ready to head out to work. I’ll leave you with this link to Lydia Loveless’ Tiny Desk Concert at NPR. Great young singer.

Warning: Explicit lyrics, so watch out.

npr.org

184 jaunte  Jul 19, 2014 7:46:55pm

re: #181 Ryan King

“I’m sure I’ve said dumb things tonight but my taxes are funding a racist massacre and there’s nothing I can do to stop it and I can’t deal.”

I would suggest to this person: “it’s not about you.”

185 RealityBasedSteve  Jul 19, 2014 7:48:38pm

Still what I consider the funnest music video mashup EVER DONE in the history of this, or any other universe.

Youtube Video

RBS

186 BongCrodny  Jul 19, 2014 7:54:54pm

re: #183 William Barnett-Lewis

Getting ready to head out to work. I’ll leave you with this link to Lydia Loveless’ Tiny Desk Concert at NPR. Great young singer.

Warning: Explicit lyrics, so watch out.

npr.org

She’s been opening for Cracker (shameless plug time) on their latest Acoustic Duo tour. A few people on the Cracker FB group have said it’s a good match.

Thanks for the post. It’s a good sound.

187 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 19, 2014 7:59:07pm

re: #6 The War TARDIS

I would appreciate it if more Americans would care about the Palestinians. Especially now that with all to settlement blocks, and roads that Palestinians in the West Bank can’t use. Along with restrictions on water use for Palestinians that don’t exist for Israelis.

Granted, because of the history of Deir Yassin, Couch Folkestone Bernadotte, and the Lillehammer Affair, I do have a harsher view of Israel, and I will admit that.

Let’s play Duelling Atrocities! Everybody’s favorite game! THE ONE WHO HAS SUFFERED TEH MOAST ATROCITIES WINS!!!

I can list a whole bunch of atrocities too.

Is that what you want?

188 Lidane  Jul 19, 2014 7:59:08pm

re: #186 BongCrodny

Someone else listens to Cracker? Neat.

True story: every year on my birthday I pretty much keep this song on a continuous loop. I’ve done that every year since it first came out:

Youtube Video

189 Decatur Deb  Jul 19, 2014 8:01:34pm

About time for a post-mortem on Operation American Spring. It was a very good natural experiment in the birth and death of a nutcase fringe movement.

From a hostile site that spun off:


Operation American Spring Failure
July 16 * Edited
Wed AM 4

These two posts were on an OASer’s personal FB page yesterday:

“You want to know how many people showed up at or last Patriot/Freedom rally [Sacramento]? Seven! Fucking seven! Two of those were our girlfriends, not that they don’t count. One is a presidential candidate from northern California. Two of my brothers in OAS from LA. One from Michigan, bless his heart. And my sorry ass!”

” The last day of boots on the ground in DC? 2.. freaking 2. Me and somone else. I just sat and cried. I’ve been miserable ever since. 7 people on July 4th showed up. That’s why I haven’t been able to continue. I am wore out trying to fight and make people take a stance. I lost friends, family members….for what? 2 BOOTS ON THE GROUND????? WE LEFT AND WENT TO A BAR.UNTIL RUSH HOUR WAS OVER. DISTGUSTED BEYOND BELIEF. MY LIFE HAS BEEN ON HOLD FOR HOW LONG NOW? MONEY SPENT GOING TO DC. FOR WHAT. I FELT SO GOOD ABOUT WHAT I WAS DOING. HAD NO TIME FOR FAMILY. WHAT DO I DO NOW????? NOBODY GETS IT.”

190 jonhendry  Jul 19, 2014 8:03:00pm

re: #30 The War TARDIS

Oh, that is my own personal frustration, I needed to let it out.

Writing a page about Libertarians. I finally figured out why so many of them tend to be awful people.

Personal Point: I have yet to meet someone who is a libertarian, who hasn’t been a terrible person.

There are some, but they tend to stop being libertarian. Foremost example being Jim Henley, who blogs (blogged?) at Unqualified Offerings.

191 Lidane  Jul 19, 2014 8:03:10pm
192 Ryan King  Jul 19, 2014 8:07:10pm

I thought I was a libertarian. But realized I was intellectually lazy with a good dash of glib.

193 RealityBasedSteve  Jul 19, 2014 8:07:13pm

re: #189 Decatur Deb

About time for a post-mortem on Operation American Spring. It was a very good natural experiment in the birth and death of a nutcase fringe movement.

From a hostile site that spun off:


Operation American Spring Failure
July 16 * Edited
Wed AM 4

These two posts were on an OASer’s personal FB page yesterday:

“You want to know how many people showed up at or last Patriot/Freedom rally [Sacramento]? Seven! Fucking seven! Two of those were our girlfriends, not that they don’t count. One is a presidential candidate from northern California. Two of my brothers in OAS from LA. One from Michigan, bless his heart. And my sorry ass!”

” The last day of boots on the ground in DC? 2.. freaking 2. Me and somone else. I just sat and cried. I’ve been miserable ever since. 7 people on July 4th showed up. That’s why I haven’t been able to continue. I am wore out trying to fight and make people take a stance. I lost friends, family members….for what? 2 BOOTS ON THE GROUND????? WE LEFT AND WENT TO A BAR.UNTIL RUSH HOUR WAS OVER. DISTGUSTED BEYOND BELIEF. MY LIFE HAS BEEN ON HOLD FOR HOW LONG NOW? MONEY SPENT GOING TO DC. FOR WHAT. I FELT SO GOOD ABOUT WHAT I WAS DOING. HAD NO TIME FOR FAMILY. WHAT DO I DO NOW????? NOBODY GETS IT.”

I am actually finding myself conflicted reading that. Part of me is “Serves you right, you a-hole”, but the idea of watching a person realize that he has possibly changed his life for the worst forever saddens me. Perhaps some good will come of it, it almost seems like this individual is getting to a point where he is capable of honest self-examination.

Damn… I hate it when “Empathy Based Steve” makes an appearance.

RBS

194 jaunte  Jul 19, 2014 8:08:56pm

re: #193 RealityBasedSteve

” The last day of boots on the ground in DC? 2.. freaking 2. Me and somone else. I just sat and cried. I’ve been miserable ever since. 7 people on July 4th showed up. That’s why I haven’t been able to continue. I am wore out trying to fight and make people take a stance. I lost friends, family members….for what? 2 BOOTS ON THE GROUND?????

It’s sad when a guy and his buddy only have one boot apiece.

195 Decatur Deb  Jul 19, 2014 8:09:02pm

re: #193 RealityBasedSteve

I am actually finding myself conflicted reading that. Part of me is “Serves you right, you a-hole”, but the idea of watching a person realize that he has possibly changed his life for the worst forever saddens me. Perhaps some good will come of it, it almost seems like this individual is getting to a point where he is capable of honest self-examination.

Damn… I hate it when “Empathy Based Steve” makes an appearance.

RBS

I can feel pity for them, except for the part where they craved the destruction of the country our fathers died for.

196 Decatur Deb  Jul 19, 2014 8:09:43pm

re: #194 jaunte

It’s sad when a guy and his buddy only have one boot apiece.

Other boots were up their asses.

197 jaunte  Jul 19, 2014 8:10:36pm

TAKE A STANCE PEOPLE!

198 Lidane  Jul 19, 2014 8:10:57pm

re: #192 Ryan King

I thought I was a libertarian. But realized I was intellectually lazy with a good dash of glib.

I thought I was libertarian, then I took an economics class. Heh.

199 Romantic Heretic  Jul 19, 2014 8:12:27pm

re: #130 Charles Johnson

That’s one of those issues that gets people arguing on both sides. Some want new windows, others hate having new windows open all the time.

But there’s a pretty easy solution you can use yourself - instead of left-clicking, right-click on the link and then choose “Open in New Window” from the popup menu.

That’s what I do, except “Open In A New Tab.”

200 Gus  Jul 19, 2014 8:14:54pm

Gawd. Why am I on Twitter?

201 Decatur Deb  Jul 19, 2014 8:16:35pm

re: #200 Gus

Gawd. Why am I on Twitter?

Something to do with that ‘community service’ sentence?

202 Gus  Jul 19, 2014 8:17:53pm

203 Gus  Jul 19, 2014 8:18:54pm

re: #201 Decatur Deb

Something to do with that ‘community service’ sentence?

Nah. Just sometimes the people I follow are annoying.

204 The War TARDIS  Jul 19, 2014 8:19:15pm

re: #202 Gus

Give me an example of what is going on.

205 RealityBasedSteve  Jul 19, 2014 8:19:23pm

Well gang, gonna crash out for the night. Going diving tomorrow, need my beauty sleep. I’ll leave you with this…

Really… Fear Not…

RBS

206 BongCrodny  Jul 19, 2014 8:24:22pm

re: #188 Lidane

Someone else listens to Cracker? Neat.

True story: every year on my birthday I pretty much keep this song on a continuous loop. I’ve done that every year since it first came out:

[Embedded content]

Cracker is awesome — I’ve seen them in four different stages, and about to add a fifth to the list.

Never been able to figure out why they’re as, um, underappreciated as they are. Still, they’re a nifty cult band, and they’ve been around for over 20 years, so I guess something works (even if album sales don’t).

You may already know this, but David Lowery and Johnny Hickman have the same birthday. Hence, “Happy birthday to me — and to you.”

207 goddamnedfrank  Jul 19, 2014 8:31:21pm

Was just out for a long walk and saw a kestrel murder the absolute shit out of a ground squirrel.

So I got that going for me.

209 Joanne  Jul 19, 2014 8:55:03pm

re: #162 RealityBasedSteve

That’s a nice bike. I hate riding as my pubic bones kill after like 10 minutes. I’ve tried numerous seats and they always hurt those particular bones.

Any idea of cost?

210 jonhendry  Jul 19, 2014 8:57:50pm

re: #193 RealityBasedSteve

Reminds me a little of the people who sold everything because Harold Camping said the world was going to end.

211 RealityBasedSteve  Jul 19, 2014 9:03:55pm

re: #209 Joanne

That’s a nice bike. I hate riding as my pubic bones kill after like 10 minutes. I’ve tried numerous seats and they always hurt those particular bones.

Any idea of cost?

‘bents aren’t cheap. It’s a niche market in a niche market. Don’t know what Lightspeeds run, but a good quality (Bacchetta, Rans, Easy Racers) is going to start around 1700 - 2200 dollar range. Price can go WAY up for something that’s all CF or Titanium.

What Cannondale, Trek do in a week might be a year’s output for most bent makers

212 Joanne  Jul 19, 2014 9:05:59pm

re: #211 RealityBasedSteve

Thanks. I like that it sits straighter. I don’t love recumbants (or semis) because I feel like I’m lying down.

213 RealityBasedSteve  Jul 19, 2014 9:16:47pm

re: #212 Joanne

Thanks. I like that it sits straighter. I don’t love recumbants (or semis) because I feel like I’m lying down.

They run the gamut. One of mine is a fairly upright position, one slightly more laid back, and the third one I’m lying back pretty far, feet actually above my hips. That one takes some getting used to. :)

Night.

214 Joanne  Jul 19, 2014 9:22:11pm

re: #213 RealityBasedSteve

Night night!

215 Gus  Jul 19, 2014 9:24:21pm
216 Gus  Jul 19, 2014 9:29:53pm

Junior Brown - Semi crazy keep on trucking

Youtube Video

217 Gus  Jul 19, 2014 9:34:45pm
218 Joanne  Jul 19, 2014 9:36:08pm

re: #217 Gus

Thanks for the RT. :-)

219 Teukka  Jul 19, 2014 10:59:58pm

re: #205 RealityBasedSteve

Well gang, gonna crash out for the night. Going diving tomorrow, need my beauty sleep. I’ll leave you with this…

Really… Fear Not…

RBS

Two Courage Wolf Memes in the same vein.


Mornin’ from this side of the pond. *yawns*

On-topic thoughts:

Has the thought been considered that Snowen and Greenwald might be doing what they’re doing merely to weaken Obama? I mean, as I’ve understood both are pretty libertarian in ideology.

Maybe I’m grown too cynical about them wingnuts, but I personally would not put it past them to commit treason in order to score a point against Obama given their behavior since about two years ago already, not to mention now.

*ducks behind sandbags*

220 Amory Blaine  Jul 19, 2014 11:49:08pm

Can you put a spinning thingie on the “wonderful page” button? I like teh shiny.

222 Amory Blaine  Jul 20, 2014 12:32:26am

Thank you! Nice and shiny.

223 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jul 20, 2014 1:29:12am

Cruel times, cruel jokes.

“I’m from Lugansk, a soldier’s mom. Yesterday came the Right Sector thugs. Brought a 6 y.o. boy with them. Told me to make borscht. I took the ax, went round and round the boy for half an hour. I couldn’t. The thugs returned, cursed, made the borscht, fed me and the boy. Went away. I don’t understand…”

224 Dr Lizardo  Jul 20, 2014 2:28:36am

re: #75 CuriousLurker

No, I think it’s something in the personality. I’ve seen the same thing many times with religion. Some of the strictest, most dogmatic and inflexible Muslims I’ve known have been converts who were previously just as extreme, only in the opposite direction.

One day a guy’s gang banger, a crazy drugged-out musician, a hard-drinking womanizer, etc. then you turn around and suddenly he’s converted and become a scowling bearded holier-than-thou salafi who’s critical of everyone, refuses to make even the briefest eye contact with women, and demands that his wife wear not just hijab, but also niqab, etc.

It’s… weird. It’s like they’re incapable of doing anything in moderation.

One day in Berlin, an Indian friend, one of the Sufis from the Rabbaniya I went to and myself were walking down Kottbusser Damm and we came across three women wearing that full-on niqab; when we passed by, it was obvious they were ethnic Germans - you could tell by their accents - and they were converts. My Indian friend commented, “You’ll see that a lot with converts; it’s the ‘conversion effect’ and it’s pretty common, especially with younger people.” The Sufi replied rather drily, “You’ll find a lot of converts trying to outdo each other, especially if they led a wild life prior to their conversion; it’s a form of over-compensation combined with remorse over their prior behavior or attitudes.”

Interesting observations. I can say I didn’t see that much among the Naqshbandi, as they tend to focus less on external aspects and more on internal matters.

225 Dr Lizardo  Jul 20, 2014 2:31:19am

re: #189 Decatur Deb

About time for a post-mortem on Operation American Spring. It was a very good natural experiment in the birth and death of a nutcase fringe movement.

From a hostile site that spun off:


Operation American Spring Failure
July 16 * Edited
Wed AM 4

These two posts were on an OASer’s personal FB page yesterday:

“You want to know how many people showed up at or last Patriot/Freedom rally [Sacramento]? Seven! Fucking seven! Two of those were our girlfriends, not that they don’t count. One is a presidential candidate from northern California. Two of my brothers in OAS from LA. One from Michigan, bless his heart. And my sorry ass!”

” The last day of boots on the ground in DC? 2.. freaking 2. Me and somone else. I just sat and cried. I’ve been miserable ever since. 7 people on July 4th showed up. That’s why I haven’t been able to continue. I am wore out trying to fight and make people take a stance. I lost friends, family members….for what? 2 BOOTS ON THE GROUND????? WE LEFT AND WENT TO A BAR.UNTIL RUSH HOUR WAS OVER. DISTGUSTED BEYOND BELIEF. MY LIFE HAS BEEN ON HOLD FOR HOW LONG NOW? MONEY SPENT GOING TO DC. FOR WHAT. I FELT SO GOOD ABOUT WHAT I WAS DOING. HAD NO TIME FOR FAMILY. WHAT DO I DO NOW????? NOBODY GETS IT.”

I believe there’s a book on a similar theme; it was called When Prophecies Fail.

226 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jul 20, 2014 2:35:02am

re: #225 Dr Lizardo

NOBODY GETS IT

Oh, I do. And his tears are so much sweeter for that.

227 Dr Lizardo  Jul 20, 2014 2:51:28am

Well, I wake up today and one of the first things I see is that actor James Garner has passed away at the age of 86.

RIP: I watched The Rockford Files a great deal when I was younger - I’ve even seen it here (dubbed, mind you) on Czech television. A very good actor, and I’m sure he’ll be remembered fondly for a long time.

news.com.au

228 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jul 20, 2014 2:56:49am

buzzfeed.com

229 Archangelus  Jul 20, 2014 3:06:27am

re: #226 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

Oh, I do. And his tears are so much sweeter for that.

Youtube Video

230 Dr Lizardo  Jul 20, 2014 3:20:37am

In memory of James Garner (April 7, 1928 - July 19, 2014).

Youtube Video

231 BillinGlendaleCA  Jul 20, 2014 3:30:11am

re: #227 Dr Lizardo

Don’t forget ‘Support Your Local Sheriff’.

232 Dr Lizardo  Jul 20, 2014 3:31:22am

re: #231 BillinGlendaleCA

Don’t forget ‘Support Your Local Sheriff’.

Indeed.

Mr. Garner had a prolific career; he was one of my favorites. He had a certain “everyman” quality about him that I always appreciated.

233 Decatur Deb  Jul 20, 2014 3:44:57am

re: #223 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

Cruel times, cruel jokes.

“I’m from Lugansk, a soldier’s mom. Yesterday came the Right Sector thugs. Brought a 6 y.o. boy with them. Told me to make borscht. I took the ax, went round and round the boy for half an hour. I couldn’t. The thugs returned, cursed, made the borscht, fed me and the boy. Went away. I don’t understand…”

Is that to be seen in the light of the WWII occupation?

234 Decatur Deb  Jul 20, 2014 3:52:27am

re: #225 Dr Lizardo

I believe there’s a book on a similar theme; it was called When Prophecies Fail.

Will hunt it down. Got hooked on this through millenarian movements like the Shawnee Prophet and the Ghost Dance.

235 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jul 20, 2014 3:53:37am

re: #233 Decatur Deb

No, in light of the Russian propaganda.

236 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jul 20, 2014 3:53:51am

Well, there you go.

Youtube Video

237 sattv4u2  Jul 20, 2014 3:54:02am

Okalie Dokalie

Start of week 3 of working overnights

Body clock ,, STILL not recalibrated!!

No fun ,,, no fun at all!!

238 sattv4u2  Jul 20, 2014 3:54:33am

re: #235 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

No, in light of the Russian propaganda.

Russia,,,, Propaganda !?!?!?
pshaawww, I say !!!

//

239 Dr Lizardo  Jul 20, 2014 4:04:29am

re: #236 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

That’s pretty damning evidence of a blatant attempt to conceal evidence, and it shows Moscow’s direct involvement.

240 Decatur Deb  Jul 20, 2014 4:07:31am

re: #235 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

No, in light of the Russian propaganda.

I’ll have to stare at that a while to see the analogies. Still on first cup.

241 sattv4u2  Jul 20, 2014 4:09:47am

re: #240 Decatur Deb

I’ll have to stare at that a while to see the analogies. Still on first cup.

Well,,, while you’re pouring

Very dark,, no sugar please

242 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jul 20, 2014 4:49:30am

Even forgetting about what had happened, this is a crime in itself.

243 ObserverArt  Jul 20, 2014 4:52:33am

As a race fan (getting ready to watch the German Grand Prix on CNBC starting in a few minutes) I am saddened by the passing of James Garner. He was a racer at heart and ran cars in many series back in the 60s and early 70s. He along with Paul Newman added that Hollywood bling to the sport and helped make it more mainstream for many.

R.I.P. Racer (and Hollywood legend)

244 sattv4u2  Jul 20, 2014 5:26:33am

re: #243 ObserverArt

As a race (getting ready to watch the German Grand Prix on CNBC starting in a few minutes) I am saddened by the passing of James Garner. He was a racer at heart and ran cars in many series back in the 60s and early 70s. He along with Paul Newman added that Hollywood bling to the sport and helped make it more mainstream for many.

R.I.P. Racer (and Hollywood legend)

Don’t forget Steve McQueen also, who was actually more prolific at it than either of the other two

245 William Barnett-Lewis  Jul 20, 2014 5:34:51am

Jimbo’s gone? Rest well, 14 months and two wounds in Korea alone would have earned you some peace now.

Anyone else remember the Polaroid ads?

246 ObserverArt  Jul 20, 2014 5:36:10am

re: #244 sattv4u2

Don’t forget Steve McQueen also, who was actually more prolific at it than either of the other two

Oh yeah, McQueen too. Thanks for the reminder. Another lesser known actor racer type was Dan Blocker…Hoss from Bonaza.

But I wouldn’t go so far as to call McQueen more prolific than Paul Newman. McQueen was a decent driver. Many real racers that drove against Paul Newman will tell you if Newman had dedicated himself to driving race cars full time from a young age, he could have been a champion in the pro ranks. He did have several SCCA armature titles to his name. He was racing and winning in GT cars all the way up to age 70. And to IndyCar racers on the CART side of things…Newman was a God!

Garner didn’t drive so much as have cars entered in racing.

Edit: Newman-Haas Racing won many an Indycar title with Mario and Michael Andretti, Nigel Mansell and Christiano DeMatta.

247 Alyosha  Jul 20, 2014 5:38:01am

re: #237 sattv4u2

Okalie Dokalie

Start of week 3 of working overnights

Body clock ,, STILL not recalibrated!!

No fun ,,, no fun at all!!

Wish I was still working nights, then I’d be able to converse with your good selves more regularly.

Had to make the transition from nights to days. Took me several months to adjust. I feel your pain :)

248 sattv4u2  Jul 20, 2014 5:45:16am

re: #246 ObserverArt

McQueen raced Formula 1, a Porsche at LeMans, and motorcycles. iirc, he came ohsoclose to beating Mario Andretti in one of the 24 hours opf Lemans despite McQueen driving with a broken foot

249 sattv4u2  Jul 20, 2014 5:47:54am

re: #247 Alyosha

Wish I was still working nights, then I’d be able to converse with your good selves more regularly.

Had to make the transition from nights to days. Took me several months to adjust. I feel your pain :)

The older I get, the harder the transition is

We’re 24/7/365 and there’s only 5 of us. So we rotate every 4 months with two of us on overnights and the other 3 on days. i’ll do 4 months of overnights, 8 months of days *, then 4 overnights and 4 of days

Rinse,,, repeat

*,, the day shifts run anywhere from 10 a.m till 10 p.m,, or noon till midnight ,,,

250 sattv4u2  Jul 20, 2014 5:49:08am

re: #246 ObserverArt

heh ,,, something I wasn’t aware of

mcqueenonline.com

Offered a professional motor car racing contract with the British Motoring Corporation

251 William Barnett-Lewis  Jul 20, 2014 5:50:48am

re: #237 sattv4u2

Okalie Dokalie

Start of week 3 of working overnights

Body clock ,, STILL not recalibrated!!

No fun ,,, no fun at all!!

I’ve come to like the night shift but if I had to go back and forth? Nope, couldn’t hang.

252 sattv4u2  Jul 20, 2014 5:55:29am

re: #251 William Barnett-Lewis

I’ve come to like the night shift but if I had to go back and forth? Nope, couldn’t hang.

Yeah. I’d prefer to be on one or the other, but to be fair we decided to swap around on a regular basis

Not as busy on overnights so the burden falls mostly on the daytime folks

Also, because it’s not as busy you don’t use as much of the equipment as often and you get out of practice with some of it

253 sattv4u2  Jul 20, 2014 5:56:24am

Like I said, when I was younger within a week my body clock would have adjusted. Now ,,,,,, last couple of times I did my 4 month overnight stint I never did adjust

254 ObserverArt  Jul 20, 2014 5:59:53am

re: #248 sattv4u2

McQueen raced Formula 1, a Porsche at LeMans, and motorcycles. iirc, he came ohsoclose to beating Mario Andretti in one of the 24 hours opf Lemans despite McQueen driving with a broken foot

You’re going to get a racer facts fight from me! : )

McQueen wanted to do a movie about F1…but he never drove F1. Of course Jimmy Garner was the American Driver in the great ol’ 60s movie Grand Prix.

He was the gentlemen driver (not a bad thing) with Peter Revson the fast guy (the racer who did drive and lost his life in an F1 car) at the 12 hours of Sebring (Fla) against Mario…not LeMans. You may be getting his part on the movie LeMans mixed in…a movie he was instrumental in getting made.

I love ‘em all, of course. And I’m loving the German GP right now. Lots of dicing going on in this one.

255 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Jul 20, 2014 6:03:45am

re: #254 ObserverArt

Have you seen the documentary about Senna? It’s really great.

imdb.com

256 sattv4u2  Jul 20, 2014 6:08:43am

re: #254 ObserverArt

but he never drove F1

He did several Formula 1 Junior circuit races

257 ObserverArt  Jul 20, 2014 6:10:32am

re: #255 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

Have you seen the documentary about Senna? It’s really great.

imdb.com

Yes, several times. It makes me very sad when it comes to Imola in 1994.

Senna was a hell of a driver…but in my opinion also a bit of a blockhead and he could be dangerous. Of course he is a god in Brazil to this day. Saw him race in many a US and Canadian Grand Prix back in the 80s

Oh…we have a burning Lotus car in Germany. Driver out…a good thing.

258 Alyosha  Jul 20, 2014 6:10:32am

re: #249 sattv4u2

The older I get, the harder the transition is

We’re 24/7/365 and there’s only 5 of us. So we rotate every 4 months with two of us on overnights and the other 3 on days. i’ll do 4 months of overnights, 8 months of days *, then 4 overnights and 4 of days

Rinse,,, repeat

*,, the day shifts run anywhere from 10 a.m till 10 p.m,, or noon till midnight ,,,

Jeeeeeebus…

259 sattv4u2  Jul 20, 2014 6:12:04am

re: #254 ObserverArt

Sebring

Correct
Meant Sebring. Just that LeMans jumps to mind as it’s more famous

Thanks

260 Dr Lizardo  Jul 20, 2014 6:13:27am

It’s funny how the human memory works; I was watching some of The Rockford Files episodes on YouTube, and one of the scenes takes place on Lankershim Blvd. - and for some unconnected reason, a memory came flooding back of Ernie’s Mexican Restuarant, which is also on Lankershim Blvd. The last time I was at Ernie’s was when I was 7 years old; that’s 37 years ago, but the memory came back as clear as day, including the name, which I’d long forgotten.

Ernie’s was my mom and dad’s favorite restaurant in all of Los Angeles and as I recall, it was quite good indeed.

261 sattv4u2  Jul 20, 2014 6:17:54am

re: #258 Alyosha

Jeeeeeebus…

Thanks

As they say,, it is what it is

262 Alyosha  Jul 20, 2014 6:23:24am

re: #261 sattv4u2

Thanks

As they say,, it is what it is

Way to remain philosophical ;)

263 ObserverArt  Jul 20, 2014 6:23:46am

re: #256 sattv4u2

but he never drove F1

He did several Formula 1 Junior circuit races

??? He may have driven some cars of other drivers as he was very popular with the racers of the time…but I don’t think he ever drove a Formula 2 or Formula Junior car in anger in an actual race. Surely he never drove an F1 car. You have to be really really good before you can jump into even the worst car.

Again Satty…I just may be a tad bit of a auto racing history buff and still current fan. I even worked in and around the sport for years. You’ll get a facts tussle from me. And I’ve never heard much about McQueen in single-seater formula cars.

264 sattv4u2  Jul 20, 2014 6:24:32am

re: #262 Alyosha

Way to remain philosophical ;)

UPSIDE

Even though we’re salaried, we do get a “shift differential” bump for the overnight hours we work

265 sattv4u2  Jul 20, 2014 6:26:51am

re: #263 ObserverArt

At the end of 1961, Tyrell gave the car back to Cooper, who sold it to up-and-coming actor Steve McQueen, the legendary actor, car collector, and racing driver. McQueen also bought a Mini-Cooper and attended Cooper’s race school. McQueen took both cars back to California and began racing FJ-2-62 in California, scoring a number of victories, including the Santa Barbara street races

rmauctions.com

266 Alyosha  Jul 20, 2014 6:32:15am

re: #264 sattv4u2

UPSIDE

Even though we’re salaried, we do get a “shift differential” bump for the overnight hours we work

Ha! I should hope so. Judging from your avi and nom de plume I picture you as Carrey’s character in The Cable Guy lol

267 Alyosha  Jul 20, 2014 6:32:58am

re: #266 Alyosha

Ha! I should hope so. Judging from your avi and nom de plume I picture you as Carrey’s character in The Cable Guy lol

Sans the psychotic tendencies, one hopes…

268 sattv4u2  Jul 20, 2014 6:33:23am

re: #267 Alyosha

Sans the psychotic tendencies, one hopes…

umm,,,, errrr,,, I plead the 5th!

269 thedopefishlives  Jul 20, 2014 6:34:11am

Morning Lizardim.

270 sattv4u2  Jul 20, 2014 6:36:46am

re: #266 Alyosha

Ha! I should hope so. Judging from your avi and nom de plume I picture you as Carrey’s character in The Cable Guy lol

This is actually our “dish farm” and control room. Control room also has racks and racks and racks of equipment 90 degrees back on both sides of the monitor wall

Image: 10397197_10202829283231210_7419703482647296076_o.jpg

271 Alyosha  Jul 20, 2014 6:39:49am

re: #269 thedopefishlives

Morning. How goes the the wild north country and its fishfolk?

272 thedopefishlives  Jul 20, 2014 6:41:57am

re: #271 Alyosha

Morning. How goes the the wild north country and its fishfolk?

It is warm and sunny, for now. The fishfolk are preparing to enjoy our breakfast as I sit here and read my morning Interwebs and catch up on all the stupid that happened while I was asleep.

273 Alyosha  Jul 20, 2014 6:41:59am

re: #270 sattv4u2

I don’t mean to be indiscreet, but we’ve been looking into who might be able to operate an SA-11/BUK and your name has come up…

274 sattv4u2  Jul 20, 2014 6:42:41am

re: #273 Alyosha

I don’t mean to be indiscreet, but we’ve been looking into who might be able to operate an SA-11/BUK and your name has come up…

umm,,,, errrr,,, I plead the 5th! (in Russian)

275 Feline Fearless Leader  Jul 20, 2014 6:42:48am

Good morning Lizards!
Overcast and 70F today. Only going up to the mid-80s. Humidity quite tolerable for a change. Therefore, I am heading out for a morning walk.

Downloaded picture of falcon plucking pigeon on the building opposite the office from the iPhone. Have I ever said before that distance photography with iPhones suck?

Falcon in the red box

276 sattv4u2  Jul 20, 2014 6:43:14am

and on that note, the long quiet drive home beckons

277 Alyosha  Jul 20, 2014 6:44:42am

re: #275 Feline Fearless Leader

I pictured the scene much more ‘red in tooth and claw’… ;)

278 Feline Fearless Leader  Jul 20, 2014 6:45:38am

re: #277 Alyosha

I pictured the scene much more ‘red in tooth and claw’… ;)

You could see feathers flying about every so often as the wind shifted plucked feathers. However, the pigeon had lost the battle itself sometime previously.

279 Feline Fearless Leader  Jul 20, 2014 6:47:20am

Heh.

280 Alyosha  Jul 20, 2014 6:47:59am

re: #278 Feline Fearless Leader

You could see feathers flying about every so often as the wind shifted plucked feathers. However, the pigeon had lost the battle itself sometime previously.

There’s a reason peregrine falcon V. pigeon fights were dropped early in Vegas.

281 ObserverArt  Jul 20, 2014 6:48:56am

re: #265 sattv4u2

At the end of 1961, Tyrell gave the car back to Cooper, who sold it to up-and-coming actor Steve McQueen, the legendary actor, car collector, and racing driver. McQueen also bought a Mini-Cooper and attended Cooper’s race school. McQueen took both cars back to California and began racing FJ-2-62 in California, scoring a number of victories, including the Santa Barbara street races

rmauctions.com

Not European Formula One races now were they? And that is what you hinted at. Most likely in SCCA races. Which is club racing…not professional level. No big deal…and I am not putting McQueen down. I am just making sure you get your racing facts in proper order. And that is a Formula junior car. Look at the engine…looks like a popper from a Mini.

By the way Satty…I have worked with the guys at RM. I know many a vintage racer. A couple of my ex-bosses owned some pretty famous race cars. I could get in contact with the guys at RM and have them explain it all.

: )

And the German GP is over. A great race. Time to get to more wood stripping. Later!

282 Feline Fearless Leader  Jul 20, 2014 6:51:23am

Off to take a walk, visit a bakery, etc. Have fun Lizards!

I’m just sayin’

283 alpuz  Jul 20, 2014 6:53:57am

What’s the BEES meme all about. I think I missed something(once again) along the way.

284 thedopefishlives  Jul 20, 2014 6:54:35am

re: #283 alpuz

What’s the BEES meme all about. I think I missed something(once again) along the way.

A few weeks ago, the right wing freaked out in unison because the President dared to express concern at the sudden shortage of honeybees in the United States and the effect on pollination it would have.

285 darthstar  Jul 20, 2014 6:56:15am
286 alpuz  Jul 20, 2014 6:56:25am

re: #284 thedopefishlives

lol. Really? The same crowd that’s paid to deny global warming? Shucks, I was hoping it was this:

Youtube Video

287 Alyosha  Jul 20, 2014 6:57:09am

re: #284 thedopefishlives

A few weeks ago, the right wing freaked out in unison because the President dared to express concern at the sudden shortage of honeybees in the United States and the effect on pollination it would have.

In other words, people who prefer shitting where they eat legislating that everyone eat shit. And die. Coz black POTUS.

288 thedopefishlives  Jul 20, 2014 6:58:34am

re: #286 alpuz

lol. Really? The same crowd that’s paid to deny global warming? Shucks, I was hoping it was this:

[Embedded content]

Yeah, the anti-science folks were all like, LOL WHY IS THIS SUCH A BIG DEAL TEH PRESIDENT IS AN IDIOT HURR DURR BLACK PEOPLE

289 darthstar  Jul 20, 2014 7:00:22am

Mornin’ everyone. Spent yesterday up in Lake Tahoe piloting a boat for a trans-Tahoe relay team. Gorgeous day.

Here I am with the “Wonder Woman” team…some friends were out on their boat and came by as we spent close to six hours crossing the lake.

290 alpuz  Jul 20, 2014 7:01:45am

re: #289 darthstar

You. Dick.

291 darthstar  Jul 20, 2014 7:01:47am

Super clear waters too…I thought their gold bracelets might attract some kokanee.

292 thedopefishlives  Jul 20, 2014 7:03:47am

re: #291 darthstar

Super clear waters too…I thought their gold bracelets might attract some kokanee.

[Embedded image]

Try not to have too much fun there.

293 b.d.  Jul 20, 2014 7:09:19am

re: #289 darthstar

Mornin’ everyone. Spent yesterday up in Lake Tahoe piloting a boat for a trans-Tahoe relay team. Gorgeous day.

Here I am with the “Wonder Woman” team…some friends were out on their boat and came by as we spent close to six hours crossing the lake.

[Embedded image]

I see a cloud, it must have ruined your whole day. Poor darthstar.

//

294 darthstar  Jul 20, 2014 7:12:56am

re: #293 b.d.

I see a cloud, it must have ruined your whole day. Poor darthstar.

//

What ruined my day was signing the contract for the boat where it said I couldn’t drink alcohol.

Actually, in all honesty, that made it possible for me to stay hydrated and drive home to the coast where it’s nice and cool last night.

295 Higgs Boson's Mate  Jul 20, 2014 7:12:58am

re: #287 Alyosha

In other words, people who prefer shitting where they eat legislating that everyone eat shit. And die. Coz black POTUS.

Maybe I’m being too meta about it, but I think that many conservatives realize that their white-male-dominated world is irrecoverably lost. That realization drives them to nihilism; they’d rather have the whole works go up in chunks if they can’t be in charge.

296 alpuz  Jul 20, 2014 7:15:54am

re: #294 darthstar

Aye, once again…

297 Jayleia  Jul 20, 2014 7:17:55am

re: #295 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Not too meta at all…or if you are being too meta, then we can enjoy being too meta together.

298 Alyosha  Jul 20, 2014 7:20:01am

re: #295 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Maybe I’m being too meta about it, but I think that many conservatives realize that their white-male-dominated world is irrecoverably lost. That realization drives them to nihilism; they’d rather have the whole works go up in chunks if they can’t be in charge.

Well, yeah. I mean, it’s the same demographic that will ignore all kinds of data that points to anthropogenic climate change because it stands in contradiction to their preconceived notions of a universe created solely for the pleasure of Mankind. To a large degree there’s a lot of faith riding on this. Climate change “Optimism” as they’re calling it now is more of the same. Yes, it’s changing; but, 1) it’s something that we can adapt to without having to make any changes because, 2) God will fix it either way.

299 Decatur Deb  Jul 20, 2014 7:22:09am

re: #297 Jayleia

Not too meta at all…or if you are being too meta, then we can enjoy being too meta together.

Always willing to meet a meta half-way.

300 Alyosha  Jul 20, 2014 7:28:13am

re: #298 Alyosha

My view is that the benefactors of faith are benefiting from the looming crisis insomuch as a general fear of major cataclysm, and distrust of or contempt for the science that warns us of said disasters, drives more optimistic personalities into the arms of theologies that preach a worldview that has the best interests of humans at its core. In many ways, it’s not their fault.

Science literacy and education generally is what all societies should strive for.

301 darthstar  Jul 20, 2014 7:34:05am
302 Eventual Carrion  Jul 20, 2014 7:36:00am

re: #297 Jayleia

Not too meta at all…or if you are being too meta, then we can enjoy being too meta together.

But you get too much meta then does it becomes mega? Or to conserve energy, just mega meta.

303 Jay in Oregon  Jul 20, 2014 7:44:11am

re: #193 RealityBasedSteve

I am actually finding myself conflicted reading that. Part of me is “Serves you right, you a-hole”, but the idea of watching a person realize that he has possibly changed his life for the worst forever saddens me. Perhaps some good will come of it, it almost seems like this individual is getting to a point where he is capable of honest self-examination.

Damn… I hate it when “Empathy Based Steve” makes an appearance.

The thing is, he doesn’t have to have changed his life for the worst “forever”. He could choose to do the hard work of examining his beliefs and changing for the better.

But if he just wants to cry about how “his country” is gone because there aren’t as many fellow xenophobic, hateful assholes as he hoped, then fuck him. And based on comments like “I am wore out trying to fight and make people take a stance” and “NOBODY GETS IT” I strongly suspect that’s the case.

304 Alyosha  Jul 20, 2014 7:54:44am

re: #303 Jay in Oregon

The thing is, he doesn’t have to have changed his life for the worst “forever”. He could choose to do the hard work of examining his beliefs and changing for the better.

But if he just wants to cry about how “his country” is gone because there aren’t as many fellow xenophobic, hateful assholes as he hoped, then fuck him. And based on comments like “I am wore out trying to fight and make people take a stance” and “NOBODY GETS IT” I strongly suspect that’s the case.

I guess the strange feeling of sympathy I get from that screed is that this person was convinced that a revolution that would fix every grievance he had was at hand and that his deeply-held convictions would somehow be vindicated… and then nothing happened. By the sounds of it, he stuck it out too.
The actual sensation of malaise that I feel might be more ascribed to the knowledge that either he’ll become an embittered loner who ends off alienating anyone he comes across or worse, that he’ll interpret this lack of public activism for his pet cause to mean he must become the catalyst for change or whatever terrible action that might mean.

It doesn’t sound like he’ll give up the delusion at any rate.

305 darthstar  Jul 20, 2014 7:58:01am

Damn, James Garner.

306 Alyosha  Jul 20, 2014 7:59:04am

And with that, I’m going to get some sleep. ‘Night Lizards.

307 darthstar  Jul 20, 2014 8:03:36am
308 austin_blue  Jul 20, 2014 8:22:21am

A *real* Maverick has left the stage. RIP, Mr. Garner. You were a class act.

309 Gus  Jul 20, 2014 8:27:00am

“Okay, Jimbo, Dennis. I know you’re in there. And I know you know it’s ticket season again. Policeman’s Ball and all that. So come to the door when I knock this time. I know you’re in there.”

310 Gus  Jul 20, 2014 8:29:51am
311 Gus  Jul 20, 2014 8:30:38am
312 BeenHereAwhile  Jul 20, 2014 8:31:21am

re: #140 alpuz

Garage meet Moonlander. Is it a black one, or one of the new white ones?[Embedded image]

That had to hurt!

313 makeitstop  Jul 20, 2014 8:32:15am

Sad to hear of Garner’s passing. My dear mother loved her some Jim Garner.

314 FemNaziBitch  Jul 20, 2014 8:32:46am

I did it!

315 FemNaziBitch  Jul 20, 2014 8:34:48am

re: #141 CuriousLurker

I started to binge-watch it last night, then changed my mind. Gonna try to stretch it out for at least a couple of weeks.

I’ve been doing it since the Hobby Lobby decision came out.

316 Gus  Jul 20, 2014 8:35:28am

Mr. Garner, a lifelong Democrat who was active in behalf of civil rights and environmental causes, always said he met his wife, the former Lois Clarke, in 1956 at a presidential campaign rally for Adlai Stevenson, though in “The Garner Files” Mrs. Garner said they had actually met at a party earlier. She survives him, as do their daughter, Greta, known as Gigi; and Mrs. Garner’s daughter from a previous marriage, Kimberly.

317 allegro  Jul 20, 2014 8:36:47am

My mom dated James Garner for a while when they were both at O.U. When asked, my dad said he couldn’t be jealous about that because clearly my mom had exceptional taste in men… and he won. That and he adored the man, one of his favorite actors. Never missed an episode of Maverick or Rockford.

318 FemNaziBitch  Jul 20, 2014 8:38:40am

re: #217 Gus

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I think turtle is cold.

319 FemNaziBitch  Jul 20, 2014 8:40:07am

re: #224 Dr Lizardo

My Indian friend commented, “You’ll see that a lot with converts; it’s the ‘conversion effect’ and it’s pretty common, especially with younger people.” The Sufi replied rather drily, “You’ll find a lot of converts trying to outdo each other, especially if they led a wild life prior to their conversion; it’s a form of over-compensation combined with remorse over their prior behavior or attitudes.”

Catholic Conversos are much the same.

I call it the brainwashing effect.

320 HappyWarrior  Jul 20, 2014 8:40:57am

Loved Garner as Henley in The Great Escape.

321 GlutenFreeJesus  Jul 20, 2014 8:41:37am

322 Gus  Jul 20, 2014 8:44:56am
323 FemNaziBitch  Jul 20, 2014 8:47:20am

BeeBee Meerkittehs!!

324 Mattand  Jul 20, 2014 8:48:14am

re: #295 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Maybe I’m being too meta about it, but I think that many conservatives realize that their white-male-dominated world is irrecoverably lost. That realization drives them to nihilism; they’d rather have the whole works go up in chunks if they can’t be in charge.

This is exactly the problem. An electorate with no long term memory or sense of history doesn’t help, as they keep voting said nihilists into office.

325 Franklin Brewsevelt  Jul 20, 2014 8:48:33am
327 Gus  Jul 20, 2014 8:56:35am
328 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Jul 20, 2014 8:56:56am

A lot of my ethics were formed by watching the Rockford Files. Underdog hero par excellence.

329 Gus  Jul 20, 2014 8:57:24am
330 Higgs Boson's Mate  Jul 20, 2014 8:57:28am

RIP, Mr. Garner. When I was much younger I very much enjoyed “Maverick” because the show broke away from “Gunsmoke,” “Have Gun, Will Travel,” “*The Rifleman,” and the many other westerns where blasting people with your trusty firearm was the answer.

*”The Rifleman” used to particularly annoy me. “That Lucas McCain is good with a rifle.” Shit, who wouldn’t be good with a rifle at a range of twelve feet?
/rant

331 allegro  Jul 20, 2014 8:57:59am

So I’ve got company coming over for Sunday dinner later and while I was cleaning the bathroom, Blossom the Destroyer discovered the bag of green beans in the veggie basket. By the time I came back into the kitchen there were green beans all over the counter and floor, a number of them munched a bit. Think my guests will notice? :/

332 b_sharp  Jul 20, 2014 8:58:02am

re: #326 FemNaziBitch

The majority of Republicans are frustrated. Sure, I get that. But everything shouldn’t come to a halt because you don’t control the White House. By the way, you better get used to that too. You won’t get that back by appealing to Old White Guys.”

???

Why such a big button?

333 Snarknado!  Jul 20, 2014 9:04:26am

re: #295 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Maybe I’m being too meta about it, but I think that many conservatives realize that their white-male-dominated world is irrecoverably lost. That realization drives them to nihilism; they’d rather have the whole works go up in chunks if they can’t be in charge.

I mentioned a while back that unless they can do SOMETHING (e.g. impeachment), their “white man’s country” is going to have a two-term black president on the record forever, and that may be part of what’s making them so crazy.

And may I repeat what I also said before: BWAHAHAHAHA!

334 Iwouldprefernotto  Jul 20, 2014 9:04:28am

$200 dollars a day—plus expenses.

335 FemNaziBitch  Jul 20, 2014 9:06:30am

re: #332 b_sharp

Why such a big button?

cause I was playing. Why did it layer itself like that?

336 FemNaziBitch  Jul 20, 2014 9:06:55am

re: #334 Iwouldprefernotto

$200 dollars a day—plus expenses.

I remember that too!

337 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Jul 20, 2014 9:08:23am

re: #334 Iwouldprefernotto

$200 dollars a day—plus expenses.

Gun in a cookie jar.

338 Franklin Brewsevelt  Jul 20, 2014 9:10:19am
339 Franklin Brewsevelt  Jul 20, 2014 9:14:18am
340 darthstar  Jul 20, 2014 9:14:34am

re: #334 Iwouldprefernotto

$200 dollars a day—plus expenses.

He was so much better than Magnum. No sexy Ferrari, or rich man’s estate to live on and a friend with an always available helicopter…no, just a camaro and a trailer and a sometimes side-kick who was a small time hustler.

341 Rightwingconspirator  Jul 20, 2014 9:15:17am

re: #337 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

And that classic American iron car.

Of course he was one of those actors in the day that took up racing and got in the habit of doing his own driving stunts.

And here we have a nice link from an article he did with Car And Driver

C/D: When Maverick became a hit, did you buy a nice car?

JG: Couldn’t afford one! Even though Maverick was the top show on television, I was stuck in a studio contract that paid only a few hundred bucks a week. When I took my wife, Lois, to the premiere of West Side Story, I was so ashamed of my old heap, I had to borrow Natalie Wood’s Cadillac.

.

342 darthstar  Jul 20, 2014 9:15:23am

re: #339 geoffm33

Can he/she be stopped? Why hasn’t Obama done anything?

343 Gus  Jul 20, 2014 9:15:55am
344 Franklin Brewsevelt  Jul 20, 2014 9:16:56am

re: #342 darthstar

Can he/she be stopped? Why hasn’t Obama done anything?

If we outlaw chalk then….

345 FemNaziBitch  Jul 20, 2014 9:17:51am

re: #341 Rightwingconspirator

And that classic American iron car.
[Embedded image]

Of course he was one of those actors in the day that took up racing and got in the habit of doing his own driving stunts.

And here we have a nice link from an article he did with Car And Driver

.

really ugly color.

I never understood why he lived in a trailer by the beach. I always wondered if it was legal.

346 darthstar  Jul 20, 2014 9:18:42am

Tried to post this pic earlier, but the png was still to big, so I stuck it in a tweet.

347 allegro  Jul 20, 2014 9:18:56am

re: #345 FemNaziBitch

really ugly color.

I never understood why he lived in a trailer by the beach. I always wondered if it was legal.

One does wonder where the “black water” went.

348 Gus  Jul 20, 2014 9:20:18am
349 darthstar  Jul 20, 2014 9:20:53am

re: #345 FemNaziBitch

really ugly color.

I never understood why he lived in a trailer by the beach. I always wondered if it was legal.

It was part of his character - not quite fitting in with society, but not a total outcast either.

350 Gus  Jul 20, 2014 9:20:59am
351 Gus  Jul 20, 2014 9:24:55am
352 darthstar  Jul 20, 2014 9:28:53am
353 darthstar  Jul 20, 2014 9:30:18am
354 b_sharp  Jul 20, 2014 9:30:38am

re: #335 FemNaziBitch

cause I was playing. Why did it layer itself like that?

Line spacing is less than the height of the button.

355 darthstar  Jul 20, 2014 9:32:35am

re: #354 b_sharp

Line spacing is less than the height of the button.

What is this new button feature and why is it redirecting me off this page?

356 b_sharp  Jul 20, 2014 9:33:48am

re: #355 darthstar

What is this new button feature and why is it redirecting me off this page?

Cause yer ugly.

357 Higgs Boson's Mate  Jul 20, 2014 9:38:29am

re: #333 Snarknado!

Good point. They are desperate to discredit Obama and they’re running out of time to do so. Having it in the historical record that you don’t have to a be a white man in order to be a two term president has them chorusing “What a world! What a world!”

It’s dispiriting to me that rather than examine why they can’t win a national election, or why they have to gerrymander and suppress the vote to get anyone else elected, they instead dig in their heels and choose to just break things.

358 darthstar  Jul 20, 2014 9:39:02am

re: #356 b_sharp

Cause yer ugly.

Brilliant! Can we make that a shortcut for responses? Something like command-shift-U just auto-replies “Cause yer ugly.” That would be an awesome feature. Please make it work across the internet - on facebook, twitter, google plus, and any future social media sites too. Thanks, Charles. I’ll wait.

359 Gus  Jul 20, 2014 9:41:59am
360 FemNaziBitch  Jul 20, 2014 9:42:55am

re: #358 darthstar

Brilliant! Can we make that a shortcut for responses? Something like command-shift-U just auto-replies “Cause yer ugly.” That would be an awesome feature. Please make it work across the internet - on facebook, twitter, google plus, and any future social media sites too. Thanks, Charles. I’ll wait.

There was a time when I knew how to program macros (PF keys) to do such things.

Alas, that was in my youth.

361 FemNaziBitch  Jul 20, 2014 9:44:32am

re: #354 b_sharp

Line spacing is less than the height of the button.

I thought it might have something to do with the “.”s.

362 darthstar  Jul 20, 2014 9:48:00am
363 FemNaziBitch  Jul 20, 2014 9:49:35am
364 FemNaziBitch  Jul 20, 2014 9:50:44am

Is there a joke in this?

365 FemNaziBitch  Jul 20, 2014 9:53:00am
366 FemNaziBitch  Jul 20, 2014 9:53:53am

bbl

367 sagehen  Jul 20, 2014 9:58:28am

re: #345 FemNaziBitch

really ugly color.

I never understood why he lived in a trailer by the beach. I always wondered if it was legal.

Not only was it legal at that particular spot… Matthew McConaughey had a trailer at the same spot for years, until his first kid was born.

368 Rightwingconspirator  Jul 20, 2014 9:59:15am

Watching a documentary about William Boeing. A segment about how he got utterly screwed, perceived as a Walton/Walmart monopolist greedy bastard that did dirty secret deals to fly the mail.

Mr Elon Musk should take careful note. He has similarly misguided enemies as do a number of corporate heads.

Reminds me how the expression “pioneers get the arrows the settlers get the farms”comes from. The vendetta Howard Hughes endured. Will our day see the difference between a Walton and a Musk career?

369 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Jul 20, 2014 10:08:44am

re: #368 Rightwingconspirator

He did get screwed, but I’m not sure what you mean by ‘utterly’.

I’m also not sure which Walton you’re referring to, the modern day inheritors, or the original Walton, I’m assuming the original?

370 Killgore Trout  Jul 20, 2014 10:09:28am

No power in Gaza city tonight

371 jaunte  Jul 20, 2014 10:09:29am
372 BeenHereAwhile  Jul 20, 2014 10:09:42am

re: #316 Gus

Mr. Garner, a lifelong Democrat who was active in behalf of civil rights and environmental causes, always said he met his wife, the former Lois Clarke, in 1956 at a presidential campaign rally for Adlai Stevenson, though in “The Garner Files” Mrs. Garner said they had actually met at a party earlier. She survives him, as do their daughter, Greta, known as Gigi; and Mrs. Garner’s daughter from a previous marriage, Kimberly.

In the 80s, Kimberly would visit Chip’s studio in Nashville, as James and Chips were friends. Since I was approx the same age as Kimberly, I was asked to partner (keep an eye on her) with her as she visited people, other studios along Music Row, and various nightspots.

When asked why she visited Nashville, Kimberly said she liked Nashville as opposed to LA - Southern CA, as she could be herself, and not some movie actor’s daughter. Well grounded lady, didn’t realize she was Garner’s stepdaughter.

373 darthstar  Jul 20, 2014 10:14:20am
374 jaunte  Jul 20, 2014 10:16:19am
375 Rightwingconspirator  Jul 20, 2014 10:16:36am

re: #369 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

The cancellation of his mail contract was motivated by a false premise. The documentary is a good watch you might enjoy it. The Walton comparison is to the modern as in how they do payroll. And rightly get called out.

376 sagehen  Jul 20, 2014 10:17:47am

re: #368 Rightwingconspirator

Watching a documentary about William Boeing. A segment about how he got utterly screwed, perceived as a Walton/Walmart monopolist greedy bastard that did dirty secret deals to fly the mail.

Mr Elon Musk should take careful note. He has similarly misguided enemies as do a number of corporate heads.

Reminds me how the expression “pioneers get the arrows the settlers get the farms”comes from. The vendetta Howard Hughes endured. Will our day see the difference between a Walton and a Musk career?

How’s anybody going to scream “monopolist! greedy bastard!” at somebody who threw his patents open to all comers, for free?

377 Single-handed sailor  Jul 20, 2014 10:18:58am

re: #364 FemNaziBitch

Is there a joke in this?

[Embedded content]

No, it’s theoretically supposed to work.

378 Teukka  Jul 20, 2014 10:21:28am

re: #371 jaunte


which referred to this gem:


Ehh… Jimmy… Islam is like only 1300-1400 years old as a religion.

Must be one of those “the Bible is the only book you need” I’ve been hearing stories about.

Quote related:

Beware of the person of one book.

— Thomas Aquinas

379 sagehen  Jul 20, 2014 10:21:43am

re: #377 Single-handed sailor

No, it’s theoretically supposed to work.

Vinyl isn’t porous like wood, the glue attaches to the gunk stuck in the grooves and pulls it with when you peel the dried stuff off.

Like waxing your legs. Or those pore-cleansing strips from a facial.

380 Rightwingconspirator  Jul 20, 2014 10:21:52am

re: #376 sagehen

How’s anybody going to scream “monopolist! greedy bastard!” at somebody who threw his patents open to all comers, for free?

Can’t predict that but take a look at his wrangle with states over not going through dealerships. And a lot of attention to very small incidents when they crash. he may cost Boeing or Lockheed a big NASA deal. That’s major league competition.

BBL the meat world intrudes.

381 darthstar  Jul 20, 2014 10:22:35am
382 sagehen  Jul 20, 2014 10:33:23am

re: #380 Rightwingconspirator

Can’t predict that but take a look at his wrangle with states over not going through dealerships. And a lot of attention to very small incidents when they crash. he may cost Boeing or Lockheed a big NASA deal. That’s major league competition.

BBL the meat world intrudes.

So when so-called conservatives say “the government shouldn’t be picking winners and losers!”… they don’t really believe that.

383 CuriousLurker  Jul 20, 2014 10:33:51am

OT: cat-tikvah kindly notified me of a podcast from 2011 in which Dr. Izzeldin Abuelaish, the subject of my most recent Page, gives a talk. If interested, you can listen to it on my Page or over at the Free Library of Philadelphia.

384 Jayleia  Jul 20, 2014 10:41:38am
385 Stanley Sea  Jul 20, 2014 10:43:19am

re: #383 CuriousLurker

Good to see TonyC there.

Morning all!

Thanks for the great tweets Darth!

386 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Jul 20, 2014 10:43:42am

re: #375 Rightwingconspirator

The cancellation of his mail contract was motivated by a false premise. The documentary is a good watch you might enjoy it. The Walton comparison is to the modern as in how they do payroll. And rightly get called out.

Like I said, he did get screwed, but he was still a fabulously wealthy man who had a very nice life after divesting himself from his aircraft company, and a very successful one, too.

I thought you were making a comparison between a guy like Boeing, Hughes, or Musk, all of whom have some technical expertise in the areas they founded their core companies in, and a guy like Walton, who just applied economies of scale and borrowed efficiencies from other people. The difference between the capitalist-inventor and just the capitalist.

387 sagehen  Jul 20, 2014 10:46:31am

I’m watching a documentary on MSNBC, “Underwater Dreams”, about a high school robotics club from Phoenix AZ at a national competition they went to in California (underwater robots) — all the kids are undocumented, none of their parents speak a word of English, they were the only high school team at the event, their robot is made from stuff they bought at Home Depot, they didn’t use powerpoint for their presentation, they handled leakage issues by sticking tampons in the problem spots…

They won 1st prize. 2nd place was MIT.

388 nines09  Jul 20, 2014 10:50:10am

#MH17 pic.twitter.com/6PnVfgoEwg

London Times hits the nail on the head.

389 CuriousLurker  Jul 20, 2014 11:29:09am

re: #385 Stanley Sea

Good to see TonyC there.

Morning all!

Thanks for the great tweets Darth!

Yep, it surprised me in a good way.


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