Weird Conspiracy Propaganda About MH17 Rampant in Russia

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Here’s an interesting piece by Julia Ioffe at the New Republic on the massive propaganda effort being pushed out by the Kremlin to the Russian population: Russia Conspiracy Theories Trap Putin Malaysia Airlines MH17.

Did you know Malaysia Air Flight 17 was full of corpses when it took off from Amsterdam? Did you know that, for some darkly inexplicable reason, on July 17, MH17 moved off the standard flight path that it had taken every time before, and moved north, toward rebel-held areas outside Donetsk? Or that the dispatchers summoned the plane lower just before the crash? Or that the plane had been recently reinsured? Or that the Ukrainian army has air defense systems in the area? Or that it was the result of the Ukrainian military mistaking MH17 for Putin’s presidential plane, which looks strangely similar?

Did you know that the crash of MH17 was all part of an American conspiracy to provoke a big war with Russia?

Well, it’s all true—at least if you live in Russia, because this is the Malaysia Airlines crash story that you’d be seeing.

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157 comments
1 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jul 21, 2014 10:17:26am

This shows what happens when conspiracy nuts with a political agenda are given attention and support by the media and government…

2 CuriousLurker  Jul 21, 2014 10:21:42am

Ha! Someone sent me this article about 10 minutes ago and I was gonna come over here and drop it off. It’ll be interesting to see what Sergey has to say about it, if anything.

3 Teukka  Jul 21, 2014 10:22:06am

The weird notions are not limited to MH17, but history, geography and the present too.

Like the notion that Europe has been trying to force its ways on Russia since 1941. That only Poland and Yugoslavia were really occupied, the other countries were Nazi collaborators. That Nazi Germany and Europe are practically the same thing. That the UK is not a part of Europe. And that the US and the EU has been in an information war with Russia for some time now.

And those are just the few notions I have encountered chatting with Russians.

It’s like mass psychosis. :(

*smh*

4 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jul 21, 2014 10:22:30am

Alex Jones and Fox News are children compared to the people running the Russian state TV.

5 Kragar  Jul 21, 2014 10:22:34am

I’ll be looking forward to hearing Alex Jones and Rand Paul trot out these theories.

6 elizajane  Jul 21, 2014 10:23:09am

Breaking: agreement seems to be reached for return of bodies to Netherlands & other nations. Interesting that Europe, despite wussing out on ANY anti-Russian sanctions, was basically cut out of negotiations and it all went through Malaysia. Thoughts?

:

7 Kilroy01  Jul 21, 2014 10:25:47am

Well if the missile was guided by color schemes.. (It wasn’t)
Really these two don’t look very much alike from below.
One has 4 engines, the other 2.

8 lawhawk  Jul 21, 2014 10:26:30am

re: #6 elizajane

It was the Malaysian Airline, so they had the lead even though many of those on board were from the Netherlands.

9 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jul 21, 2014 10:26:42am

re: #7 Kilroy01

And they had, like, radically different routes, lol.

10 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jul 21, 2014 10:28:32am

Here’s an assortment of Russian fakes (not even close to a complete collection):

stopfake.org

11 Charles Johnson  Jul 21, 2014 10:28:56am

I should know better than to try to argue with apologists for Hamas.

12 nines09  Jul 21, 2014 10:36:29am

Weird conspiracy propaganda? Sounds about par for the course for lunacy. The Russians have nothing on the wing nuts here. Peas in a pod. It’s all bad theatre and sanity has left the building.

13 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jul 21, 2014 10:36:50am

Don’t forget the Zombie AIr theory: the flight was full of dead bodies!!!

14 Charles Johnson  Jul 21, 2014 10:39:06am

Fascinating - Greenwald at least seems to understand it would be a crime for Hamas to hide weapons in civilian areas - but these people don’t seem to think there’s anything wrong with it. They think Hamas has no choice but to hide weapons in civilian neighborhoods and hospitals. SMDH

15 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jul 21, 2014 10:39:48am

BTW, I’ve just read that Mustafa Nayem, who basically started the whole Maidan movement initially, is a sort of a secular Muslim (not observant, but cognizant of his Pushtun Muslim roots, his parents are observant), and his son is Jewish (since the mother is Jewish). That should make some heads splodey.

16 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jul 21, 2014 10:40:55am

re: #13 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Don’t forget the Zombie AIr theory: the flight was full of dead bodies!!!

Bloodless dead bodies. That’s more like vampires.

17 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 21, 2014 10:42:32am

re: #14 Charles Johnson

Fascinating - Greenwald at least seems to understand it would be a crime for Hamas to hide weapons in civilian areas - but these people don’t seem to think there’s anything wrong with it. They think Hamas has no choice but to hide weapons in civilian neighborhoods and hospitals. SMDH

DON’T YOU KNOW HOW DENSELY POPULATED GAZA IS!!!!! WHERE ELSE ARE THEY GOING TO STORE BOMBS & ROCKETS!!!!!

18 Charles Johnson  Jul 21, 2014 10:43:42am

re: #17 Pie-onist Overlord

That’s what they actually said. I just had to drop it. There’s no point.

19 Teukka  Jul 21, 2014 10:44:13am

re: #17 Pie-onist Overlord

DON’T YOU KNOW HOW DENSELY POPULATED GAZA IS!!!!! WHERE ELSE ARE THEY GOING TO STORE BOMBS & ROCKETS!!!!!

Hmm… Are these hospitals marked with the Red Crescent / Red Cross / Red Crystal?

20 CuriousLurker  Jul 21, 2014 10:45:17am

re: #11 Charles Johnson

I should know better than to try to argue with apologists for Hamas.

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Indeed. You can’t reeason with extremists or those who support them. They’ve already got everything all figured out and have invested so much in their POV that they’ll defend it no matter what.

21 Feline Fearless Leader  Jul 21, 2014 10:47:45am

On the lighter side - SLC turns their main street into a very long slip-n-slide.

nbcnews.com

22 Kilroy01  Jul 21, 2014 10:47:57am

re: #7 Kilroy01

Well if the missile was guided by color schemes.. (It wasn’t)
Really these two don’t look very much alike from below.
One has 4 engines, the other 2.

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Not to belabor the point but:
777 vs IL-96

23 ObserverArt  Jul 21, 2014 10:49:09am

Wow. Talk about muddy waters.

And I do not mean the blues legend.

Just throw all kinds of explanations and the populace can pick and choose the one they want. Excuse Cafeteria all served with Putin Gravy. You like Putin gravy.

Edit: Typing too fast…throw, not through!

24 ericblair  Jul 21, 2014 10:50:55am

re: #7 Kilroy01

Well if the missile was guided by color schemes.. (It wasn’t)
Really these two don’t look very much alike from below.
One has 4 engines, the other 2.

Besides which, Putin hasn’t overflown Ukraine in quite a while due to fucking obvious security reasons, and if you look at the great circle route from Brazil to Moscow, it goes through Poland and Belarus and nowhere near eastern Ukraine.

Besides, isn’t the Kremlin’s story now that Ukraine had fighters closely tailing MH17 and therefore knew exactly where and what it was? Is there some sort of uber-theory now that explains both of these, or is the Putin plane theory no longer operative? It’s hard to keep up.

25 Charles Johnson  Jul 21, 2014 10:50:58am

re: #20 CuriousLurker

Indeed. You can’t reeason with extremists or those who support them. They’ve already got everything all figured out and have invested so much in their POV that they’ll defend it no matter what.

They don’t just believe Hamas has a right to use civilian areas as weapons depots and human shields, they believe this makes it a war crime for Israel to try to do anything at all about it. Put weapons in a hospital, and that makes them completely safe, and ready to be used, and Israel can’t do anything about it!

Sorry, but that is NOT what the Geneva Convention says.

I fucking hate this war, and the death toll in Gaza is awful, but it drives me crazy to see people who think Hamas is utterly blameless for it.

26 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 21, 2014 10:52:36am

re: #25 Charles Johnson

They don’t just believe Hamas has a right to use civilian areas as weapons depots and human shields, they believe this makes it a war crime for Israel to try to do anything at all about it. Put weapons in a hospital, and that makes them completely safe, and ready to be used, and Israel can’t do anything about it!

Sorry, but that is NOT what the Geneva Convention says.

I fucking hate this war, and the death toll in Gaza is awful, but it drives me crazy to see people who think Hamas is utterly blameless for it.

HURR HURR WHAT ELSE DO YOU EXPECT THEM TO DO THEY ARE UNDER OCCUPATION!!!!!!

27 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 21, 2014 10:53:14am

Funny but I don’t remember the Warsaw Ghetto resistance shooting rockets into random Polish neighborhoods.

28 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jul 21, 2014 10:53:46am

There has been at least one direct and easily refutable lie in the Russian military ministry briefing today:

function.mil.ru

Namely, that the Buk on the video posted by Avakov was in Krasnoarmeisk, thus under control of the Ukrainian forces.

This lie has been exposed already before the briefing - the Buk was proven to have been in Torez (and perhaps elsewhere), i.e. under the control of the terrorists - avva.livejournal.com

So the top Russian military experts repeat debunked internet rumors.

29 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jul 21, 2014 10:54:48am

re: #24 ericblair

It’s a theory, not a claim. Several theories can be operative at once.

30 Kilroy01  Jul 21, 2014 10:55:51am

re: #28 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

So the top Russian military experts repeat debunked internet rumors.

зомби ложь

Zombie Lie.

31 Charles Johnson  Jul 21, 2014 10:56:29am
32 Lidane  Jul 21, 2014 10:57:28am

re: #17 Pie-onist Overlord

DON’T YOU KNOW HOW DENSELY POPULATED GAZA IS!!!!! WHERE ELSE ARE THEY GOING TO STORE BOMBS & ROCKETS!!!!!

I’m pretty sure I saw some derp around here earlier about Hamas using grocery stores and hospitals to store weapons and ambulances to transport soldiers, so of course civilian targets are inevitable.

33 Kragar  Jul 21, 2014 10:57:30am

So I see this sentence: “NSA whistleblower Edward Snowden to develop anti-surveillance technologies”

And my first thought it this:

34 darthstar  Jul 21, 2014 10:59:12am
35 HappyWarrior  Jul 21, 2014 10:59:52am

re: #34 darthstar

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Please proceed and enjoy a Democratic senator.

36 lawhawk  Jul 21, 2014 11:00:22am

re: #25 Charles Johnson

They don’t just believe Hamas has a right to use civilian areas as weapons depots and human shields, they believe this makes it a war crime for Israel to try to do anything at all about it. Put weapons in a hospital, and that makes them completely safe, and ready to be used, and Israel can’t do anything about it!

Sorry, but that is NOT what the Geneva Convention says.

I fucking hate this war, and the death toll in Gaza is awful, but it drives me crazy to see people who think Hamas is utterly blameless for it.

Hamas knowingly exploits the Geneva Conventions and that Israel is held to a different standard by media and foreign governments in carrying out its terror operations against Israel.

The Hamas leaders bank on knowing that they can fire from densely populated civilian areas and that Israel runs the risk of hitting civilians should they engage in counter battery fire. It’s a strategic move on their part, as is shifting more of their terror infrastructure underground since it limits the Israeli technological advantages (requires ground assaults and puts dismounted Israeli troops on a more even footing with Hamas members).

But the current battle could have been avoided, or shorted simply by Hamas choosing to abide by the latest cease fire agreement. They have had numerous opportunities to stop firing on Israel during Israel’s unilateral ceasefires, and have refused.

But for Hamas attacks on Israel, Israel would not have launched their ground attacks.

37 Feline Fearless Leader  Jul 21, 2014 11:01:25am

re: #33 Kragar

So I see this sentence: “NSA whistleblower Edward Snowden to develop anti-surveillance technologies”

And my first thought it this:

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I saw that and viewed it as him selling his name to brand 2nd rate software that will be sold to suckers at a high mark-up.

38 Charles Johnson  Jul 21, 2014 11:02:07am

Also seeing a lot of people throwing around the word “genocide” against Israel, some of them people I thought were smarter than this. Disappointing.

39 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 21, 2014 11:03:21am

re: #38 Charles Johnson

Also seeing a lot of people throwing around the word “genocide” against Israel, some of them people I thought were smarter than this. Disappointing.

Israel sucks at genocide almost as much as Obama sucks at being a Marxist Nazi Communist Tyrant Dictator.

40 Kragar  Jul 21, 2014 11:05:35am

re: #38 Charles Johnson

Also seeing a lot of people throwing around the word “genocide” against Israel, some of them people I thought were smarter than this. Disappointing.

Whole lot of that going around the last few years

41 CuriousLurker  Jul 21, 2014 11:06:37am

re: #25 Charles Johnson

They don’t just believe Hamas has a right to use civilian areas as weapons depots and human shields, they believe this makes it a war crime for Israel to try to do anything at all about it. Put weapons in a hospital, and that makes them completely safe, and ready to be used, and Israel can’t do anything about it!

Sorry, but that is NOT what the Geneva Convention says.

I fucking hate this war, and the death toll in Gaza is awful, but it drives me crazy to see people who think Hamas is utterly blameless for it.

TBH, I try not to think about it too much. The Israelis aren’t going to leave. The Palestinians aren’t going to leave. Short of one side committing genocide against the other, there can be no “winner” in this since anyone winning by such means would become a international pariah, which in turn could very well lead to its own destruction. The whole thing is just stupid to me.

Both groups are human, both have a right to freedom, self-determination, basic dignity, security, education, etc. Both of them could and should be prospering. But instead they fight.

*sighs, throws hands in air, goes back to coding*

42 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jul 21, 2014 11:06:39am

re: #38 Charles Johnson

Genocide requires intent, not simply mass killing,

43 blueraven  Jul 21, 2014 11:07:20am

What concerns me is that some people in Europe and elsewhere will buy into some of the Russian propaganda machine because of the Iraq lies. They may take the attitude; Why should we believe in anything America says?

Again, this awful war will be haunt us long after we are all dead and gone.
The damage is severe in so many ways.

I wish Europe would take a much stronger stand. Although GB has been pretty tough (at least rhetorically.)

Germany and France need to step up. The US can’t do a lot without them.

44 jaunte  Jul 21, 2014 11:07:45am

From the linked article on the Russian media:

The sensationalized newscasts are now neck-and-neck, ratings-wise, with the sitcoms. “It keeps people in a traumatized state,” Pavlovsky says. “It’s notable in media metrics, and in conversations with people. They lose their sanity, they become paranoid and aggressive.”

Interesting how that tracks so closely with what we see here from the RWNJ news sources and consumers.

45 Kragar  Jul 21, 2014 11:07:55am

re: #37 Feline Fearless Leader

I saw that and viewed it as him selling his name to brand 2nd rate software that will be sold to suckers at a high mark-up.

Like I’m going to trust a guy who violated his oath, stole government secrets and ran to Russia with my data security.

46 ericblair  Jul 21, 2014 11:08:47am

re: #29 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

It’s a theory, not a claim. Several theories can be operative at once.

Which is true, but their claims are a lot stronger than “just a theory.” The other feature of Russian propaganda is its reliance on rather short memories, since they tend to contradict themselves without retractions from week to week or day to day. See also, “There are No Russian Troops in Crimea, They’re just Friendly Locals/Oh yeah, the Gentle People Have Been There for Weeks To Keep Everyone Safe Everyone Knows That.”

47 Charles Johnson  Jul 21, 2014 11:09:33am
48 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 21, 2014 11:09:50am

BECAUSE BOYFRIENDS OF TEH WORLD’S GREATEST JOURNALIST DESERVES ALL TEH PROTECTIONS OF TRUE AUTHENTIC JOURNALISMS!!!!!!

49 jaunte  Jul 21, 2014 11:09:57am

re: #44 jaunte

From the linked article on the Russian media:

Interesting how that tracks so closely with what we see here from the RWNJ news sources and consumers.

Judging from my weekend with my elderly father who is beginning to leave Fox News territory and dabble in PrisonPlanet conspiracies.

50 BeenHereAwhile  Jul 21, 2014 11:10:05am

re: #5 Kragar

I’ll be looking forward to hearing Alex Jones and Rand Paul trot out these theories.

Putin is giving the fellow travelers disinformation talking points.

51 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 21, 2014 11:11:29am

Chuckie C. Johnson & his hot girlfiend:

52 Charles Johnson  Jul 21, 2014 11:11:38am

re: #48 Pie-onist Overlord

Oh brother. I love how they hype these “grants” as wonderful altruistic things they’re doing out of the pureness of their hearts - and then you find out they’re giving the grants to themselves.

53 wrenchwench  Jul 21, 2014 11:11:57am

re: #47 Charles Johnson

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Abdul Rahman said the death toll of Thursday’s clashes was 396 people, while Friday’s total reached 314, adding that 90 more people were still unaccounted for, although they were also expected to have been killed.

At the end of June, ISIS declared that it had formed an “Islamic State” on territory it controls in Iraq and Syria, and had appointed its leader Abu Bakr Al-Baghdadi as a new “caliph,” or spiritual and political leader of the world’s Muslims.

While this, and its role at the vanguard of the rebellion against the government of Iraqi Prime Minister Nuri Al-Maliki, has gained the most attention in recent weeks, the group has also continued its attempts to win more territory in Syria. In particular, it is continuing to strengthen its hold on provinces in eastern Syrian territories like Deir Ezzor, expelling or killing members of other Syrian rebel groups and battling to take territory controlled by Syrian Kurds.

As well as expanding territory under its control, ISIS is also reported to be cracking down on activities it deems contrary to its radical interpretation of Islamic law, including execution by public stoning.

ISIS reportedly carried out the stoning of a woman charged with adultery in the main stadium of the city of Tabqa on Thursday. SOHR said ISIS fighters brought a car filled with rocks and stoned the woman they accused of adultery to death, adding that residents refused to participate in the stoning.

54 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 21, 2014 11:12:32am

re: #52 Charles Johnson

Oh brother. I love how they hype these “grants” as wonderful altruistic things they’re doing out of the pureness of their hearts - and then you find out they’re giving the grants to themselves.

THERE TEH MOAST DESERVING!!!!!!

55 jaunte  Jul 21, 2014 11:13:33am

re: #52 Charles Johnson

Oh brother. I love how they hype these “grants” as wonderful altruistic things they’re doing out of the pureness of their hearts - and then you find out they’re giving the grants to themselves.

I wonder who’ll win the Ethical Journalism Award.

56 wrenchwench  Jul 21, 2014 11:13:34am

re: #54 Pie-onist Overlord

THERE TEH MOAST DESERVING!!!!!!

57 CuriousLurker  Jul 21, 2014 11:13:38am

re: #47 Charles Johnson

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Possible latent antisemitism aside, I think anything Israel does is always going to command more attention than other countries because of the close nature of our relationship and the amount of aid we send them.

58 lawhawk  Jul 21, 2014 11:15:15am

re: #42 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

Genocide requires intent, not simply mass killing,

Not simply mass killing or civilian casualties in response to taking fire from densely populated civilian areas.

But the PA and Hamas have long used the terms Holocaust and genocide whenever Israel retaliates against Hamas (currently) or PLO and Fatah (particularly when Arafat was running things).

Neither term can adequately or accurately reflect Israel’s actions. Those terms have specific meanings, and by definition Israel isn’t doing either.

That doesn’t mean Israel is completely blameless or hasn’t inflicted civilian casualties.

It’s just that you can’t call the battle of Jenin a Holocaust or genocide when all of a few dozen Palestinian terrorists were killed or injured and the damage was confined to a less than a square kilometers of another densely populated area.

The expropriation of those terms is to specifically attempt to curry favor and media support for their position knowing how charged the terms are, and Hamas propagandists exploit this. It also is meant to undermine Israeli claims for statehood, particularly since Israel was established in the aftermath of an actual genocide and Holocaust, where European Jewry was nearly wiped out at the hands of the Nazis.

59 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 21, 2014 11:15:21am
60 aagcobb  Jul 21, 2014 11:15:26am

re: #49 jaunte

Judging from my weekend with my elderly father who is beginning to leave Fox News territory and dabble in PrisonPlanet conspiracies.

Fox News is a gateway drug to the really hard stuff. This is your brain on PrisonPlanet

Youtube Video

61 lawhawk  Jul 21, 2014 11:16:51am

re: #47 Charles Johnson

You’d almost have to be a cynic to think that Assad’s taking advantage of attention on Israel’s latest battles with Hamas to go and slaughter more Syrians.

62 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 21, 2014 11:17:24am

This meme is even Stupider than the Stupidest Meme of the Day that I posted before:

63 Kilroy01  Jul 21, 2014 11:19:56am

re: #59 Pie-onist Overlord

The tallest building in Gaza in 15 stories.
It isn’t all about sq/kms.

64 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jul 21, 2014 11:21:26am

re: #44 jaunte

From the linked article on the Russian media:

Interesting how that tracks so closely with what we see here from the RWNJ news sources and consumers.

They’re quoting this Pavlovsky scum who has been one of the main architects of this very system.

65 FemNaziBitch  Jul 21, 2014 11:21:53am

Make your own badge —all genders!

66 ericblair  Jul 21, 2014 11:22:24am

re: #43 blueraven

What concerns me is that some people in Europe and elsewhere will buy into some of the Russian propaganda machine because of the Iraq lies. They may take the attitude; Why should we believe in anything America says?

Fine, they don’t have to. They shouldn’t mindlessly believe anything a particular government says anyways.

They can go listen to what the Dutch have to say, or the Australians, or the Malaysians, or basically everyone else on the planet besides the Russian government and its subsidiaries. Or they can just inform the Dutch that they’re a bunch of American stooges who are just doing Yankee bidding, and see what response they get.

The US is the most powerful country that ever was. But, despite the fantasies of American neoconservatives or the paranoia of the conspiracy crowd, it does not control the world and things can happen that the United States has nothing to do with.

67 jaunte  Jul 21, 2014 11:23:01am

re: #64 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

They’re quoting this Pavlovsky scum who has been one of the main architects of this very system.

Dr. Frankenstein’s monster is loose.

68 BeenHereAwhile  Jul 21, 2014 11:24:00am

Why the Ukraine separatists screwed up: Badly organized insurgents can’t master complex weapons systems:

{…} even professional state militaries sometimes get this wrong: U.S. Patriot missile batteries have shot down more British fighters accidentally than the Iraqi Air Force ever did deliberately, and the USS Vincennes accidentally shot down an Iranian airliner over the Persian Gulf in 1988.[…]

[…] For the Ukrainian separatists on July 17, this challenge was probably beyond their organizations’ capacity. The ability to defend airspace effectively is a much bigger problem than having the right radar and a fast missile. A nonstate actor’s hardware is simply not a good predictor of their real military capability: effectiveness lies in the interaction between an actor’s hardware and the institutional wetware that has to use it.

m.washingtonpost.com

69 FemNaziBitch  Jul 21, 2014 11:24:27am

re: #62 Pie-onist Overlord

This meme is even Stupider than the Stupidest Meme of the Day that I posted before:

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I’m so tired of the slut shaming. Every woman who takes this stance needs to look at herself and honestly admit to herself that she hasn’t always had sex because she wants to. She needs to admit to herself that she doesn’t want to create a life every time she has sex.

The assumption that a married woman can afford birth control is a farce.

70 lawhawk  Jul 21, 2014 11:24:34am

re: #59 Pie-onist Overlord

Even that isn’t totally accurate. There are actually sparsely populated areas of Gaza - farmland and beach that count towards the overall landmass that people can live on.

There are spots that are very dense, one spot where there are 99,000 residents in a 1.4 square km neighborhood - Jabalia Camp .

71 Charles Johnson  Jul 21, 2014 11:24:36am

By the way - about that claim that Hamas has nowhere else to hide weapons?

Training Fighters of Future Across Gaza

The six-day program, Futuwwa, enrolled about 13,000 boys at nearly a dozen sites across the Gaza Strip over the past week, with trainers from the Izzedine al-Qassam Brigades, the military wing of Hamas.

A dozen training camps across Gaza, big enough to hold 13,000 people.

72 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jul 21, 2014 11:25:09am

re: #46 ericblair

Which is true, but their claims are a lot stronger than “just a theory.”

Sorry, but that was floated as a version. Yes, in order to confuse and deflect, but still just as a version. So “is it still operative” does not apply.

73 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 21, 2014 11:25:56am

re: #71 Charles Johnson

By the way - about that claim that Hamas has nowhere else to hide weapons?

Training Fighters of Future Across Gaza

A dozen training camps across Gaza, big enough to hold 13,000 people.

WHUE R U SUGGESTING, THAT HAMAS STORES WEAPONS AT TEH SUMMER CAMPS FOR CHILDRENS!!!!!!!!

74 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jul 21, 2014 11:26:09am

re: #64 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

They’re quoting this Pavlovsky scum who has been one of the main architects of this very system.

It’s like interviewing Rove who would be complaining about Fox News propaganda under Bush.

75 FemNaziBitch  Jul 21, 2014 11:26:39am

re: #49 jaunte

Judging from my weekend with my elderly father who is beginning to leave Fox News territory and dabble in PrisonPlanet conspiracies.

I am so sorry

76 lawhawk  Jul 21, 2014 11:27:29am

re: #71 Charles Johnson

By the way - about that claim that Hamas has nowhere else to hide weapons?

Training Fighters of Future Across Gaza

A dozen training camps across Gaza, big enough to hold 13,000 people.

Which, if Israel were to hit, would result in tremendous outcry over the civilian casualties (kids being killed) - even if you consider that Hamas is essentially using child soldiers and providing them with arms training and preparation through these camps.

77 Feline Fearless Leader  Jul 21, 2014 11:28:06am

re: #45 Kragar

Like I’m going to trust a guy who violated his oath, stole government secrets and ran to Russia with my data security.

What? You won’t shell out an extra $10 in order to get “Snowden II” from Dudebro Security as compared to another similar product?
///

78 Killgore Trout  Jul 21, 2014 11:29:26am
79 FemNaziBitch  Jul 21, 2014 11:31:31am

A while back I saw a diplomat (former ambassador I think) from Saudi on C-SPAN. He was a member of the Royal Family.

He said that if we wanted peace in the ME, it was simple. Just give them Jerusalem and there would be peace.

Anyone who thinks this is just about the Palestinians has not been paying attention.

80 dog philosopher  Jul 21, 2014 11:31:34am

Did you know Malaysia Air Flight 17 was full of corpses when it took off from Amsterdam?

is edgar allen poe writing again?

81 darthstar  Jul 21, 2014 11:32:00am

A friend of mine is delivering motorcycles to some park rangers in Mongolia. Bikes delivered, they’re now cruising around doing a bit of sight-seeing before coming home. His wife boards horses here in California, so he hopped on a horse for her (he doesn’t like riding them).

82 sattv4u2  Jul 21, 2014 11:32:08am

re: #76 lawhawk

When I went to summer camp I brought my mother back a pot we made and a gimp bracelet for my younger sister!!

Dozens of high school students scrambled among the sand dunes here in recent days, learning how to shoot AK-47 rifles, crawl under barbed wire and jump over burning tires.

The six-day program, Futuwwa, enrolled about 13,000 boys at nearly a dozen sites across the Gaza Strip over the past week, with trainers from the Izzedine al-Qassam Brigades, the military wing of Hamas

83 Charles Johnson  Jul 21, 2014 11:32:12am

This is one of those rare occasions when I agree with HRW. The majority of these so-called terror plots busted in recent years have been complete setups from the word go.

84 sattv4u2  Jul 21, 2014 11:32:25am

re: #80 dog philosopher

Did you know Malaysia Air Flight 17 was full of corpses when it took off from Amsterdam?

is edgar allen poe writing again?

nevermore

85 sattv4u2  Jul 21, 2014 11:33:00am

re: #79 FemNaziBitch

A while back I saw a diplomat (former ambassador I think) from Saudi on C-SPAN. He was a member of the Royal Family.

He said that if we wanted peace in the ME, it was simple. Just give them Jerusalem and there would be peace.

Anyone who thinks this is just about the Palestinians has not been paying attention.

news.yahoo.com

86 FemNaziBitch  Jul 21, 2014 11:33:10am

Arizona charter school teaches from book arguing slavery wasn’t so bad

This is a problem.

87 FemNaziBitch  Jul 21, 2014 11:33:43am

re: #81 darthstar

A friend of mine is delivering motorcycles to some park rangers in Mongolia. Bikes delivered, they’re now cruising around doing a bit of sight-seeing before coming home. His wife boards horses here in California, so he hopped on a horse for her (he doesn’t like riding them).

[Embedded image]

Pretty horse!

88 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Jul 21, 2014 11:33:56am
Did you know Malaysia Air Flight 17 was full of corpses when it took off from Amsterdam?

There was a Sherlock episode about this:
Youtube Video

(It’s not the full scene, but it’s from the episode “The Scandal in Belgravia”

89 sattv4u2  Jul 21, 2014 11:34:42am

re: #81 darthstar

That’s either a really small horse OR your friend is really big!!
/

90 sattv4u2  Jul 21, 2014 11:36:35am

re: #76 lawhawk

re: #82 sattv4u2

One participant, Osama Shehada, 15, said he wanted to study physical engineering to learn how to make bombs and explosives to target Israel.

A boy and his dreams!!

91 darthstar  Jul 21, 2014 11:36:42am

re: #89 sattv4u2

That’s either a really small horse OR your friend is really big!!
/

Small horse.

92 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Jul 21, 2014 11:37:07am

re: #62 Pie-onist Overlord

This meme is even Stupider than the Stupidest Meme of the Day that I posted before:

[Embedded content]

This is the problem with using superlatives in the land of the wingnuts. They just take them as challenges to be surpassed.

93 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 21, 2014 11:37:15am

re: #81 darthstar

A friend of mine is delivering motorcycles to some park rangers in Mongolia. Bikes delivered, they’re now cruising around doing a bit of sight-seeing before coming home. His wife boards horses here in California, so he hopped on a horse for her (he doesn’t like riding them).

[Embedded image]

That picture looks very weird, the horse looks too small for the rider.

94 FemNaziBitch  Jul 21, 2014 11:38:02am

HUMANS AGAINST HUMANS!!!

95 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Jul 21, 2014 11:38:56am

re: #91 darthstar

Small horse.

Smart Horse

96 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 21, 2014 11:39:00am

re: #91 darthstar

Small horse.

A Putin-size horse!

97 ericblair  Jul 21, 2014 11:39:42am

re: #72 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

Sorry, but that was floated as a version. Yes, in order to confuse and deflect, but still just as a version. So “is it still operative” does not apply.

Unless the Russian media starts marking their content with “Stuff We’re Telling You Is True” and “Stuff We’re Floating To Confuse You”, this seems like a distinction without a difference.

98 sattv4u2  Jul 21, 2014 11:39:48am

re: #95 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi

Smart Horse

Well, at least whoever he’s racing, he’s a head!!!

99 FemNaziBitch  Jul 21, 2014 11:40:18am
100 wrenchwench  Jul 21, 2014 11:40:24am

re: #96 Pie-onist Overlord

A Putin-size horse!

It does look like the horse from the famous photo.

The Mongol horse (Mongolian Адуу, aduu: “horse”) is the native horse breed of Mongolia. The breed is purported to be largely unchanged since the time of Genghis Khan. Nomads living in the traditional Mongol fashion still hold more than 3 million animals, which outnumber the country’s human population. Despite their small size, they are horses, not ponies.

In Mongolia, the horses live outdoors all year at 30 °C (86 °F) in summer down to 𢄤0 °C (𢄤0 °F) in winter, and search for food on their own. The mare’s milk is processed into the national beverage airag, and some animals are slaughtered for meat. Other than that, they serve as riding animals, both for the daily work of the nomads and in horse racing.

[…]

Appearance

Mongol horses are of a stocky build, with relatively short but strong legs and a large head. They range in size from 12 to 14 hands (48 to 56 inches, 122 to 142 cm) high and have a cannon bone external circumference of about 8 inches. They have a certain resemblance to Przewalski’s horse. The mane and tail are very long, and the strands are often used for braiding ropes; the tail hair can be used for violin bows. The hooves are very robust, and very few animals are fitted with horseshoes. Mongolian horses have great stamina: although they have small bodies, they can gallop for 10 km without break.

101 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 21, 2014 11:40:30am

re: #91 darthstar

Small horse.

Technically speaking, a pony.

102 FemNaziBitch  Jul 21, 2014 11:42:03am
103 De Kolta Chair  Jul 21, 2014 11:43:22am

You mean to tell me that commercial airliners are insured? Right, now pull the other one, boychik!

104 sattv4u2  Jul 21, 2014 11:43:42am

re: #102 FemNaziBitch

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Arkansans retaliate by throwing a Little Rock back

105 jaunte  Jul 21, 2014 11:44:39am

re: #100 wrenchwench

Mongolian horses have great stamina: although they have small bodies, they can gallop for 10 km without break.

Perfect for an advancing horde.

106 Feline Fearless Leader  Jul 21, 2014 11:47:42am

re: #102 FemNaziBitch

Have Kansas and Texas reached a decision yet for the mutual invasion and division or Oklahoma yet? Or are they still arguing over who has to be stuck with more of it?
//

107 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jul 21, 2014 11:48:33am

re: #97 ericblair

Unless the Russian media starts marking their content with “Stuff We’re Telling You Is True” and “Stuff We’re Floating To Confuse You”, this seems like a distinction without a difference.

Yes, there is an obvious difference between when something is specified as a hypothesis in the very text of the news article and when this same claim is presented as a fact.

108 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Jul 21, 2014 11:49:46am

The Mississippi runoff is a gift that keeps on giving

109 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jul 21, 2014 11:51:05am

If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then let’s not hurry with the conclusions and ask: qui bono?
/

110 wrenchwench  Jul 21, 2014 11:51:30am

re: #101 Backwoods_Sleuth

Technically speaking, a pony.

I thought so too, but no. From earlier comment:

Despite their small size, they are horses, not ponies.

From Wiki page on Ponies:

Many breeds classify an animal as either horse or pony based on pedigree and phenotype, no matter its height.

I thought the definition was strictly size related.

111 Bulworth  Jul 21, 2014 11:51:40am

re:
#108

Please proceed….

112 Lidane  Jul 21, 2014 11:52:44am

re: #86 FemNaziBitch

Arizona charter school teaches from book arguing slavery wasn’t so bad

This is a problem.

I have actually seen some morans online argue that the 14th Amendment was the worst thing to happen to black people because it allowed for corporations to become people and therefore oppress them. Ergo, every black person should oppose the 14th so they can be free. Or something.

And surprise surprise— the person saying that malarkey wasn’t black and they had a Confederate flag or a Benghazi twibbon or some shit in their avatar.

113 Killgore Trout  Jul 21, 2014 11:53:27am

What Gazans Want

As the war between Israel and Hamas nears the two-week mark, the Washington Institute for Near East Policy (WINEP) released the results of a very relevant poll. A survey of Palestinians conducted from June 15 to June 17 found that 70 percent of Gaza respondents agreed that Hamas should maintain a cease-fire with Israel both in the West Bank and the Gaza Strip. Additionally, 57 percent of Gazans think Hamas should accept Mahmoud Abbas’s declaration that the Palestinian unity government recognizes Israel and accepts all previous international agreements.

The poll also found that 73 percent of Palestinians think that nonviolent resistance to Israel will have a positive impact and that 88 percent of Gazans support the Palestinian Authority sending officials to Gaza to take control of the territory.

In tandem with these results, the survey showed that Hamas political leaders have scant support among the Palestinian public. If presidential elections had been held in Gaza at the time of the survey, only 11.7% of Gazans would have voted for Ismael Haniyeh, the leader of Hamas in that territory, and only three percent would have voted for Khaled Meshaal, Hamas’ exiled leader. Conversely, it found that a plurality of Gazans, 32.4 percent, would vote for Fatah leader Mahmoud Abbas. Muhammad Dahlan, the former Fatah official, came in second place with 20.2 percent. Haniyeh was the distant third choice.

The sample of Gazan residents was 450 with a margin of error of four percent.

The survey dovetailed with a Pew Research Center poll conducted in April and May that found 63 percent of Gazans have an unfavorable view of Hamas.

114 Kilroy01  Jul 21, 2014 11:53:35am

re: #105 jaunte

Perfect for an advancing horde.

Now on the History Channel

115 Lidane  Jul 21, 2014 11:53:45am

re: #106 Feline Fearless Leader

Have Kansas and Texas reached a decision yet for the mutual invasion and division or Oklahoma yet? Or are they still arguing over who has to be stuck with more of it?
//

Kansas can have all of it. It might give them something to facepalm about that’s not the Westboro freaks.

/////////

116 sattv4u2  Jul 21, 2014 11:54:17am

re: #109 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then let’s not hurry with the conclusions and ask: qui bono?
/

((dammit ,,,, now I’m going to have to stop and get an order of Peking Duck for dinner on my way to work tonight)))

117 jaunte  Jul 21, 2014 11:54:28am

re: #114 Kilroy01

Now we know that horse in the illustration is just way too big.

118 Mike Lamb  Jul 21, 2014 11:55:04am

re: #62 Pie-onist Overlord

This meme is even Stupider than the Stupidest Meme of the Day that I posted before:

[Embedded content]

The irony, of course, that there is nothing resembling “free contraceptives” in this scenario, while the forced ultrasound bills actually being passed in various red states are in fact reminiscent of installing a GPS in the hoo-hah.

119 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 21, 2014 11:56:42am

re: #110 wrenchwench

I thought so too, but no. From earlier comment:

From Wiki page on Ponies:

I thought the definition was strictly size related.

I always thought it was size related, as well. Anything under 14.2 hands is considered a pony.
Oh well, whatever makes them happy.

120 Kragar  Jul 21, 2014 11:58:28am

So apparently someone thought this would be a good idea:

121 FemNaziBitch  Jul 21, 2014 11:59:18am
In Honduras, which is considered the most dangerous country in the world poverty combines with the underlying danger on the streets caused by conflicts between rival gangs and the increasing presence of drug cartels. Being young in Honduras is a risk. According to the National Violence Observatory, more than half of homicide victims in that Central American country are younger than 30. Young people in Honduras have two options: either leave or stay behind and face death.

Paged

122 jaunte  Jul 21, 2014 11:59:58am

re: #120 Kragar

“…Builds to a quick crescendo, then suddenly the audience loses interest and needs a nap.”

123 Kilroy01  Jul 21, 2014 12:00:42pm

re: #122 jaunte

Second Act is him watching Sports Center

124 FemNaziBitch  Jul 21, 2014 12:00:44pm

re: #110 wrenchwench

I thought so too, but no. From earlier comment:

From Wiki page on Ponies:

I thought the definition was strictly size related.

No, but I’ve never been able to figure it out.

I think it’s mostly tradition.

125 Khal Wimpo  Jul 21, 2014 12:00:55pm

The Ukrainians have been fighting back against Kremlin propaganda for months now, much of it far wackier than this latest eruption. Please check out the efforts of my students and colleagues there on stopfake.org - they do a good deconstruction of the “Spanish air-traffic controller” lie
http://www.stopfake.org/en/lies-spanish-flight-operations-officer-from-kiev-informed-about-ukrainian-planes-involved-in-boeing-tragedy/

They are under almost constant DDoS attack, and threats from the pro-Kremlin fanatics. Many of them have paid the price for their insolence towards Putin, in broken faces and smashed hands.

The stopfake.org was inspired by outlets like TruthOut and PolitiFact … and this place, come to think of it.

126 FemNaziBitch  Jul 21, 2014 12:02:16pm
127 Kragar  Jul 21, 2014 12:04:31pm
128 wrenchwench  Jul 21, 2014 12:04:54pm

re: #119 Backwoods_Sleuth

I always thought it was size related, as well. Anything under 14.2 hands is considered a pony.
Oh well, whatever makes them happy.

I’ll call them little horsies. That will make me happy. I want one.

129 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 21, 2014 12:07:00pm

BRYAN U WILL BE VERY SURPRISED.

130 FemNaziBitch  Jul 21, 2014 12:08:08pm

Ramtha, New Age Cult Leader, Unleashes Drunken, Racist, Homophobic Rants to Large Following
She “channels” a 35,000-year-old Lemurian warrior.

That same year, she purchased an 80-acre ranch in Yelm, where she would breed Arabian horses for a time, build herself a 12,800-square-foot chateau, subsequently sell the horses, remodel the 15,000-square-foot horse arena, and open what would become RSE in 1989.

The location has significance that goes beyond cheap land. The region, according to RSE, was actually part of ancient Lemuria during Ramtha’s lifetime, before he migrated to Atlantis and freed his people from tyranny at the age of 14, then went on to conquer two-thirds of the world at the head of an army of 2.5 million. After being run through with a sword during battle, Ramtha sat on a rock and meditated for seven years, became enlightened, taught his body to vibrate at a high frequency and ascended, like Jesus, RSE’s website explains

Lemuria - is the name of a hypothetical “lost land” variously located in the Indian and Pacific Oceans. The concept’s 19th-century origins lie in attempts to account for discontinuities in biogeography; however, the concept of Lemuria has been rendered obsolete by modern theories of plate tectonics. Although sunken continents do exist - like Zealandia in the Pacific as well as Mauritia[2] and the Kerguelen Plateau in the Indian Ocean - there is no known geological formation under the Indian or Pacific Oceans that corresponds to the hypothetical Lemuria.

a/k/a SCAM

131 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jul 21, 2014 12:08:17pm

UN SC right now.

webtv.un.org

132 Kragar  Jul 21, 2014 12:09:29pm

re: #129 Pie-onist Overlord

133 Feline Fearless Leader  Jul 21, 2014 12:09:58pm

re: #119 Backwoods_Sleuth

I always thought it was size related, as well. Anything under 14.2 hands is considered a pony.
Oh well, whatever makes them happy.

Small horses make the eagles look bigger. Like the eagles need it.

134 ericblair  Jul 21, 2014 12:12:12pm

re: #107 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

Yes, there is an obvious difference between when something is specified as a hypothesis in the very text of the news article and when this same claim is presented as a fact.

If the Russian media then are merely intending to pass unverified speculation to their audience, because God knows Russians don’t get enough unverified speculation in their daily life, they seem to be doing a bad job of it since their audience believes it. Maybe it was aliens; does that get a front page too?

135 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 21, 2014 12:12:47pm

re: #130 FemNaziBitch

Ramtha, New Age Cult Leader, Unleashes Drunken, Racist, Homophobic Rants to Large Following
She “channels” a 35,000-year-old Lemurian warrior.

a/k/a SCAM

JZ Knight, a 65-year-old former rodeo queen and cable TV saleswoman

:D

136 FemNaziBitch  Jul 21, 2014 12:13:41pm
137 GlutenFreeJesus  Jul 21, 2014 12:13:54pm

Make love, not war

138 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 21, 2014 12:14:46pm

re: #135 Backwoods_Sleuth

JZ Knight, born Judith Darlene Hampton in 1946 in Roswell, New Mexico., encountered Ramtha the warrior in 1977 while experimenting with construction paper pyramids. According to her biography, she placed a pyramid on her head and Ramtha, a 7-foot-tall apparition of golden glitter clad in a purple robe, appeared in her kitchen.

Born in 1946 in Roswell, NM…

:D :D :D

139 FemNaziBitch  Jul 21, 2014 12:14:59pm
140 FemNaziBitch  Jul 21, 2014 12:15:27pm

?????

141 Dr Lizardo  Jul 21, 2014 12:15:59pm

re: #133 Feline Fearless Leader

Small horses make the eagles look bigger. Like the eagles need it.

Eagles are pretty big.

Sky Commander gonna wup your bootie.

142 Kragar  Jul 21, 2014 12:16:29pm

re: #136 FemNaziBitch

[Embedded content]

143 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 21, 2014 12:19:00pm

re: #140 FemNaziBitch

?????

[Embedded content]

They’re gonna get so trolled.

144 Bulworth  Jul 21, 2014 12:19:15pm

re:
#129

Nurse, what is Mr. Fischer unhappy about today?

145 Higgs Boson's Mate  Jul 21, 2014 12:19:16pm

re: #131 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

My guess is that the Russians will single out a few drunken separatists to be the fall guys. Wish I could be there watching when they draw straws.

146 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jul 21, 2014 12:19:54pm

re: #134 ericblair

If the Russian media then are merely intending to pass unverified speculation to their audience, because God knows Russians don’t get enough unverified speculation in their daily life, they seem to be doing a bad job of it since their audience believes it. Maybe it was aliens; does that get a front page too?

Of course some believe it. Just as some others will believe another crazy version thrown in by the same media. Which is exactly my point: there is (or was) no single operative version, that must subsume all other versions. These versions are thrown in (as versions) exactly so that the public has to choose between a lie and another lie, which gives the guys in charge the time to forge a single version (which now may be happening with the Defense Ministry presscon). This single version does not have to “not contradict” the old versions or include them.

147 Kragar  Jul 21, 2014 12:20:41pm

re: #140 FemNaziBitch

?????

[Embedded content]

Youtube Video

148 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 21, 2014 12:21:12pm

re: #144 Bulworth

re:
#129

Nurse, what is Mr. Fischer unhappy about today?

Teh Ghey.

149 Romantic Heretic  Jul 21, 2014 12:21:14pm

re: #25 Charles Johnson

It’s been going on far too long for any blame to be assigned.

150 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jul 21, 2014 12:21:26pm

re: #145 Higgs Boson’s Mate

My guess is that the Russians will single out a few drunken separatists to be the fall guys. Wish I could be there watching when they draw straws.

Not after the DefMin presscon, where they insinuated that Ukraine did it with the help of the USA.

151 Bulworth  Jul 21, 2014 12:21:31pm

re:
#136

The shell game again. Always the shell game.

First, “hey, there are only these four contraceptives here we won’t fund because they’re against our religious beliefs.”

Second, “And, oh, all contraceptives are like late-term murderous abortions and we can no fund they must be elimimated. “

152 FemNaziBitch  Jul 21, 2014 12:22:10pm
153 ericblair  Jul 21, 2014 12:27:39pm

re: #146 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

Of course some believe it. Just as some others will believe another crazy version thrown in by the same media. Which is exactly my point: there is (or was) no single operative version, that must subsume all other versions. These versions are thrown in (as versions) exactly so that the public has to choose between a lie and another lie, which gives the guys in charge the time to forge a single version (which now may be happening with the Defense Ministry presscon). This single version does not have to “not contradict” the old versions or include them.

Ah, well then I agree with you: there’s not supposed to be a consistent version of events for these guys, it’s sort of a shotgun of bullshit, and the willing audience pretends not to notice the contradictions and the propagandists get to figure out what crap people want to believe.

154 Romantic Heretic  Jul 21, 2014 12:31:32pm

re: #129 Pie-onist Overlord

BRYAN U WILL BE VERY SURPRISED.

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Fine. America repents that it enables a paranoid, psychotic dickwad like Bryan Fisher to have a large audience.

155 Higgs Boson's Mate  Jul 21, 2014 12:33:53pm

re: #25 Charles Johnson

I think that Israel’s actions in driving to ground Hamas’ leadership inadvertantly contributed to the anti-Israel insurgency. If the leaders acted publicly then they were targeted and so they were unwilling to put their heads up and tell the hotheads to stop the Rocket launches.

There are no good guys, there are any number of people tragically caught in the middle.

156 Joanne  Jul 21, 2014 1:46:37pm

re: #62 Pie-onist Overlord

This meme is even Stupider than the Stupidest Meme of the Day that I posted before:

[Embedded content]

I know I’m in a dead thread but this pisses me off.

mobile.twitter.com

157 e e smith  Jul 21, 2014 4:33:18pm

re: #51 Pie-onist Overlord

And, yo, from now on, y’all gonna start callin’ me Chuck C., a’iight. Like in Chuck D. Y’all gonna start callin’ me Chuck C., a’iight, ‘cause I’m makin’ all this dough, B’. I don’t wanna be called Chuckie.


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