House Republicans Have a New Plan for the Border Crisis: Deport Everybody Right Away

And send in the National Guard

In 2008, in an ill-advised fit of uncharacteristic empathy, George W. Bush signed a law that prevented children who enter the US from countries that do not border the US from being immediately deported. Today, the Republican Party is proposing a “plan” to deal with the current influx of migrant children.

“I’d like to act. We’ve got a humanitarian crisis on the border that has to be dealt with,” House Speaker John A. Boehner (R-Ohio) told reporters Wednesday.

So, to address this humanitarian crisis in the most humane Republican way possible, the centerpiece of the plan is … changing that Bush-era law to allow deporting all these burdensome children back to the dangerous, corrupt, and often violent countries from which they fled. Were you expecting something else?

They also want to send in the National Guard, because there’s no problem the National Guard can’t fix, if you’re a Republican.

In a brief interview with The Washington Post, Granger said that her proposals would tweak current immigration laws. The goal is to “change the law - not to repeal the law, not to completely change the law but change a portion that will let us send the children back in a very speedy way,” she said.

“We’ve been to Guatemala and Honduras and twice to the border to see what is really happening. The consensus, absolutely, is that we send the children back as quick as we can. We also want to make sure the countries receiving them have the capacity,” she added.

“The president’s supplemental [spending request] asks for a lot of money, but it’s money to spend here to keep the kids, and we disagree with that,” Granger said. “The Border Patrol is doing a great job, but there just aren’t enough of them. National Guard, I think, is absolute.”

Of course, the head of the National Guard under George W. Bush has said that sending in the Guard isn’t the answer, but what does he know?

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204 comments

1 HappyWarrior  Jul 23, 2014 10:33:58am

Please go first house Republicans.

2 Kragar  Jul 23, 2014 10:37:07am

Trust the GOP to suggest a plan that costs millions of dollars, causes needless suffering, and ultimately accomplishes nothing

3 HappyWarrior  Jul 23, 2014 10:38:15am

re: #2 Kragar

Trust the GOP to suggest a plan that costs millions of dollars, causes needless suffering, and ultimately accomplishes nothing

That’s the conservative way.

4 Teukka  Jul 23, 2014 10:39:58am

I know, off-topic and nearing news overload, but…
Live coverage of arrivals of MH17 victims:
npo.nl

5 Lidane  Jul 23, 2014 10:40:28am

I vented yesterday on Rick Perry’s FB page about his stupidity in mobilizing the National Guard and flat out saying I would throw a party when he left office because he’s been a pathetic excuse for a governor since day one. Got some douchecanoe flapping his gums about how the National Guard could help stem the flow of diseased illegals invading the border for my time.

How could they help? 1,000 soldiers on the border, in shifts, covering hundreds of miles and without any authority to arrest or detain anyone? And for $12 million a month? WTF. I also told this guy it took a special level of stupid to look at unarmed, unaccompanied kids fleeing the cartels and calling it an invasion.

These people are deranged.

6 Bulworth  Jul 23, 2014 10:40:47am
“The president’s supplemental [spending request] asks for a lot of money, but it’s money to spend here to keep the kids, and we disagree with that,” Granger said.

Oh.

So there’d be no hearing, no detention, no anything here, Rep. Granger?

7 Mike Lamb  Jul 23, 2014 10:40:50am

And by “capacity” she means, is there literally the physical space available for them to be dropped off. We can keep shipping them back until “maximum occupancy” is reached…

8 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 23, 2014 10:42:28am

Earth to Dumbass: Obama is not the FAA

9 Bulworth  Jul 23, 2014 10:43:30am

re:
#8

Is Todd in some kind of contest to regurgitate as much derp as possible in a 24-hr period?

10 Mike Lamb  Jul 23, 2014 10:43:44am

I’d also add that the law hasn’t been changed yet. So Granger is saying that we disagree with authorizing funds necessary to comply with the law, while at the same time we will threaten impeachment because Obama is (allegedly) not enforcing immigration laws.

11 darthstar  Jul 23, 2014 10:43:57am
12 HappyWarrior  Jul 23, 2014 10:44:35am

re: #8 Pie-onist Overlord

Earth to Dumbass: Obama is not the FAA

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And if anything happened on those flights to Israel, Toddy would be the first to blame Obama. He’s such an insufferable tool. Hey, Todd, where was your outrage about aid to Hamas under Bush?

13 lawhawk  Jul 23, 2014 10:44:46am

re: #5 Lidane

The Texas-Mexico border is more than 1,000 miles long (1,241 to be more precise). Perry proposes to secure the border with less than a guardsman per mile?

It’s a publicity stunt, and a bad one at that since it costs the state money to deploy that will have to come from somewhere else.

14 darthstar  Jul 23, 2014 10:45:23am

I know, I know…they’re defending themselves. But ‘war crimes’ is a sticky label that doesn’t exactly impress the neighbors.

15 Franklin Brewsevelt  Jul 23, 2014 10:45:50am

OT and apropos of nothing:

Just deleted my facebook account and it feels good.

16 darthstar  Jul 23, 2014 10:46:46am

re: #15 Franklin Brewsevelt

OT and apropos of nothing:

Just deleted my facebook account and it feels good.

Great…now we’re going to have all these unfriended refugees crowding our border.

17 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 23, 2014 10:46:55am

re: #9 Bulworth

re:
#8

Is Todd in some kind of contest to regurgitate as much derp as possible in a 24-hr period?

He’s neck and neck with Bryan Fischer.

18 Lidane  Jul 23, 2014 10:47:13am

re: #13 lawhawk

The Texas-Mexico border is more than 1,000 miles long (1,241 to be more precise). Perry proposes to secure the border with less than a guardsman per mile?

It’s a publicity stunt, and a bad one at that since it costs the state money to deploy that will have to come from somewhere else.

And he expects Obama to pay for his stupidity, which is even more galling.

POTUS isn’t going to pay for Rick Perry’s need to fluff his wingnut cred before 2016.

19 Bulworth  Jul 23, 2014 10:47:48am

re:
#15

You think you’re allowed to do that? Facebook runs a secret double probation FEMA camp for people who delete their accounts.

20 Franklin Brewsevelt  Jul 23, 2014 10:47:53am

re: #16 darthstar

Great…now we’re going to have all these unfriended refugees crowding our border.

Nah, most of them will be on the US side open-carrying and yelling at the brown kids.

21 Lidane  Jul 23, 2014 10:48:15am
22 HappyWarrior  Jul 23, 2014 10:49:35am

re: #21 Lidane

OUTRAGE!

Dem Rep. Mocks C-SPAN Caller’s Conspiracies: Watch ‘Less Fox News’ (VIDEO)

Good. Sometimes crazy needs to be told off.

23 Bulworth  Jul 23, 2014 10:49:53am

re:
#21

Who’s this Dem Rep think he is, Governor Christie? /

24 Kragar  Jul 23, 2014 10:49:55am

re: #21 Lidane

OUTRAGE!

Dem Rep. Mocks C-SPAN Caller’s Conspiracies: Watch ‘Less Fox News’ (VIDEO)

“I will try to attend to defend — actually, I’m not going to.”

We need more of this.

25 aagcobb  Jul 23, 2014 10:50:15am

re: #13 lawhawk

The Texas-Mexico border is more than 1,000 miles long (1,241 to be more precise). Perry proposes to secure the border with less than a guardsman per mile?

It’s a publicity stunt, and a bad one at that since it costs the state money to deploy that will have to come from somewhere else.

Yes, but it serves the valuable public purpose of protecting Rick Perry’s right flank on immigration in the 2016 presidential campaign./

26 lawhawk  Jul 23, 2014 10:50:57am

re: #14 darthstar

It’s maddening to see these terms thrown around with reckless abandon.

A lot of things may be happening.

This much is certain. Civilians are dying in Gaza. Some from direct and indirect acts by Israel. Some from direct and indirect acts by Hamas.

Israel has a responsibility to minimize casualties while undertaking its sovereign right to defend itself from attack. Depending on whose figures you use (wiki has three sets - the Gaza Health Ministry, UN, and IDF), Israel is either doing a tremendous job of limiting civilian casualties, or it’s purposefully targeting civilians and firing on civilians with reckless abandon.

The truth - as always - isn’t so clear. The IDF has acknowledged incidents where they did kill civilians by accident (several kids on a beach last week), but they’ve also identified targets in close proximity to civilians and called off strikes. UNRWA, no friend of Israel, has found two schools were used as weapons depots by Hamas in contra of UNRWA rules and backs IDF contentions that Hamas is using UN and civilian facilities as bases of operation for attacks against Israel.

27 ObserverArt  Jul 23, 2014 10:51:42am

Wow…just getting caught up with the last thread and now this…

Whole Lotta Derpin’ goin’ on!

(Set to Jerry Lee…Whole Lotta Shakin’)

You know, I’m beginning to wonder if the Republicans politicians are wanting to stop all these kids at the border outta fear that some day one or more of them are going to grow up and be highly elected politicians and take the seats of these bozos or their kids should they choose to go into politics.

They hear all the time…the people of color are going to be the majority in short order and Hispanics/Lations will most likely become the majority. So, stop ‘em at the gates and forestall all of it as long as we can until we can figure out a way to keep them all down even if they are the majority.

Sure seems like a lot of the policy like no minimum wage, no ACA, no jobs, no infrastructure is all geared to mess with everyone in the future. The fact that some white folks get caught up in the “changes” is just collateral damage and unfortunate but necessary.

/ only one because it might be true…

28 piratedan  Jul 23, 2014 10:52:17am

re: #13 lawhawk

well you see, each guardsmen will be tasked with building “the damn fence” and thereby the mission will be accomplished… /////

29 Lidane  Jul 23, 2014 10:54:35am

Michele Bachmann: Why Isn’t Anyone Speculating That I’ll Run For President?

Short answer: HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Longer answer: Because no one gives a shit. The GOP will never nominate a woman for POTUS.

30 darthstar  Jul 23, 2014 10:54:59am

re: #26 lawhawk

So long as it’s a lopsided battle, these kinds of labels will be thrown around. Do I think Israel is a bunch of war criminals? No. Do I think Netenyahu gives a shit how many civilians he kills? He probably cares as much as Hamas’ leaders do…they serve a purpose - they keep the fight going. This is the future they chose for themselves and their people. I feel bad for the civilians on both sides.

31 Kragar  Jul 23, 2014 10:55:46am

re: #29 Lidane

Short answer: HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Longer answer: Because no one gives a shit. The GOP will never nominate a woman for POTUS.

Michele Bachmann: Why Isn’t Anyone Speculating That I’ll Run For President?

“We honestly never considered it after the epic failure your last go around and the lingering scandals which followed it.”

32 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jul 23, 2014 10:56:15am

re: #29 Lidane

Michele Bachmann: Why Isn’t Anyone Speculating That I’ll Run For President?

Short answer: HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Longer answer: Because no one gives a shit. The GOP will never nominate a woman for POTUS.

No, but they have a tactical advantage in running one. Perhaps just not Michelle.

33 Mike Lamb  Jul 23, 2014 10:56:27am

re: #29 Lidane

Michele Bachmann: Why Isn’t Anyone Speculating That I’ll Run For President?

Short answer: HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Longer answer: Because no one gives a shit. The GOP will never nominate a woman for POTUS.

Because we’re hoping that if no one says anything…such as “What are you? Insane?”…that you’ll actually do it.

34 HappyWarrior  Jul 23, 2014 10:57:24am

Why is no one speculating that you’ll run for president, Michelle? Because we all remember how successful your last run for president was. Oh wait.

35 Gus  Jul 23, 2014 10:57:29am

It’s like the Gangs of New York all over again.

36 ObserverArt  Jul 23, 2014 10:57:43am

1,000 Guardsmen are just about enough to make a nice long shot photo set up to make it look like the guard are lined from as far as you can see one side of the image to the other going out of focus as they get smaller and farther away.

And Ricky P will be right there in the middle, backwards ball cap, camo clothes, bullet-proof vest doin’ the peoples work.

Oh yeah… Ricky P stands for Ricky Photo-op.

37 HappyWarrior  Jul 23, 2014 10:58:28am

re: #35 Gus

It’s like the Gangs of New York all over again.

Yeah but Bill the Butcher was more charismatic than Joe Arpaio.

38 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 23, 2014 10:59:55am
39 Lidane  Jul 23, 2014 11:00:18am

The stupidity is contagious today:

Watch: Open Carry Activists Hold Event at Dealey Plaza, Site of Kennedy Assassination

If only there had been people with guns around when Kennedy got shot.

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40 NJDhockeyfan  Jul 23, 2014 11:00:49am
41 ObserverArt  Jul 23, 2014 11:02:05am

re: #29 Lidane

Michele Bachmann: Why Isn’t Anyone Speculating That I’ll Run For President?

Short answer: HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Longer answer: Because no one gives a shit. The GOP will never nominate a woman for POTUS.

That was a side bar page yesterday…might still be up. I had commented she is more dangerous than Palin after some commented Bachmann was only doing it for the grift.

42 Gus  Jul 23, 2014 11:03:26am

re: #38 Pie-onist Overlord

FUCK YOU GAWKER.

“Filed to: modest proposals” Really? Modest proposal? Gawker sucks.

43 b_sharp  Jul 23, 2014 11:04:18am

re: #40 NJDhockeyfan

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Aw fuck.

44 wrenchwench  Jul 23, 2014 11:05:18am

Deporting the children does not end the crisis. The crisis is in Honduras, Guatemala, El Salvador and Nicaragua. They want to send the children back to the crisis.

45 HappyWarrior  Jul 23, 2014 11:07:08am

re: #44 wrenchwench

Deporting the children does not end the crisis. The crisis is in Honduras, Guatemala, El Salvador and Nicaragua. They want to send the children back to the crisis.

Indeed.

46 lawhawk  Jul 23, 2014 11:07:10am

re: #38 Pie-onist Overlord

A hale and hearty FU to Gawker over that one.

While they’re at it, why not propose Jews get Madagascar. Oh wait, someone actually did propose that.

47 Charles Johnson  Jul 23, 2014 11:08:09am
48 Charles Johnson  Jul 23, 2014 11:08:39am

re: #44 wrenchwench

Deporting the children does not end the crisis. The crisis is in Honduras, Guatemala, El Salvador and Nicaragua. They want to send the children back to the crisis.

Yep. Just get ‘em out of here immediately. Problem solved!

49 Flying Squirrel Girl  Jul 23, 2014 11:08:53am

re: #43 b_sharp

I heard this on NPR yesterday. He lived, and is using his recovery to teach people it is not always a death sentence.

50 Bulworth  Jul 23, 2014 11:09:42am

re:
#44

Hurr hurr the crisis is border security and obama causing invasion of USA for moar illeagles voters!!!!111

51 Gus  Jul 23, 2014 11:09:47am
52 Charles Johnson  Jul 23, 2014 11:10:03am
53 Dr Lizardo  Jul 23, 2014 11:10:53am

re: #40 NJDhockeyfan

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Even the Freepers are saying nice things about him, mostly commenting on his bravery and wishing him a full recovery. I was somewhat pleasantly surprised.

54 Charles Johnson  Jul 23, 2014 11:11:07am
55 Charles Johnson  Jul 23, 2014 11:11:39am
56 NJDhockeyfan  Jul 23, 2014 11:12:45am

Non-recommended vacation destination…

Jihadists organise tours in their Syria, Iraq ‘caliphate’

BEIRUT: Known for kidnapping, public stonings, lashings and executions, the Iraq and Al Sham (ISIS) is now expanding into tourism, taking jihadists on honeymoon and civilians to visit other parts of its “caliphate”.

Running twice-weekly tours from Syria’s Raqa to Iraq’s Anbar, ISIS’s buses fly the group’s black flag and play jihadist songs throughout the journey.

One of the first clients was Chechen jihadist Abu Abdel Rahman al-Shishani, aged 26, who took his new Syrian wife on honeymoon, according to activist Hadi Salameh.

“Just after they got married, he took her to Anbar. These jihadists are very romantic,” Salameh joked.

But the two weren’t able to sit together, because “women sit in the back, and men at the front. The bus driver plays jihadist songs all through the ride, and the ISIS black flag flies over the bus. ISIS proclaimed a ‘caliphate’ last month straddling Iraq and Syria. According to a rebel from eastern Syria, the tours started operating immediately afterwards.

It firmly controls large swathes of northern and eastern Syria, the Iraq-Syria border, and parts of northern and western Iraq.

Salameh said the group’s tour buses “start their journey in Tal Abyad (on Syria’s Turkish border) and end in Iraq’s Anbar. You can get off wherever you want, and you don’t need a passport to cross the border. “The activist, who lives in Raqa and uses a pseudonym to avoid retribution from ISIS, told AFP via the Internet the company is for profit.

“Of course it’s not free. The price varies, depending on how far you go on the bus,” Salameh said.

57 Charles Johnson  Jul 23, 2014 11:13:12am
58 Lidane  Jul 23, 2014 11:13:39am

BarbWire Commentator: Democrats Planning ‘Atrocities’ Against Jews

American Jews overwhelmingly tend to vote Democrat for one simple reason: they see the choice as being between 1) the Democrats and their belief in nothing versus 2) the Republicans and their beliefs based on their Christian faith and heritage.

Given that choice, then, rather than side with people of faith - which they see as a different and potentially antagonistic belief system - they feel safer in the party that is devoid of any values or convictions.

The “thinking” behind this is that, if people believe in things then they might fight for those things. They might even commit atrocities in their name. Only those who believe in nothing have nothing to kill or fight for. If everyone just believed in nothing, the “thinking” goes: then the Jews would be safe, for if one doesn’t believe in anything then they can’t believe the Jews are bad.

59 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 23, 2014 11:15:40am

re: #58 Lidane

BarbWire Commentator: Democrats Planning ‘Atrocities’ Against Jews

Wait, these are the guys who want Armageddon so Jesus will come back & all teh Juice who don’t die will convert?

Bite me.

60 Dr Lizardo  Jul 23, 2014 11:15:52am

re: #56 NJDhockeyfan

Non-recommended vacation destination…

Jihadists organise tours in their Syria, Iraq ‘caliphate’

And then there’s this:

Outlawed Baath party in Iraq announced, the war against the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria “ISIS” organization because of the last displacement of Christians

from Mosul city, the second largest city in Iraq, which is controlled by ISIS since 10th of last June.

english.shafaaq.com

61 Skip Intro  Jul 23, 2014 11:17:36am

re: #29 Lidane

Michele Bachmann: Why Isn’t Anyone Speculating That I’ll Run For President?

Short answer: HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Longer answer: Because no one gives a shit. The GOP will never nominate a woman for POTUS.

Michele needs to focus on on Marcus’ ex-gay therapy by providing him with corn dogs to wean him off the real thing. This can be a long and expensive process.

62 Charles Johnson  Jul 23, 2014 11:19:02am
63 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 23, 2014 11:20:23am

re: #62 Charles Johnson

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My surprise, let me show you it.

64 ObserverArt  Jul 23, 2014 11:21:23am

Since Charles brought up Greenwald, and discussion about him was all over the last thread I have a question about GG that may have been discussed before, but I never caught it.

I’ve been thinking Greenwald is a Jewish name is it not? So, I checked and I find that he was of Jewish background but his family wasn’t particularly active in the faith. He supposedly was never bar mitzvahed.

So my question is…what in that background seems to make him so anti-Israel? Was there something that really turned him…or is it all based on the politics of Israel and he hates it in the same manner he attacks American politics? Anyone have a feel for why he bags on Israel so much?

I would think even if it was politics, he would still be a bit more toned down about it all knowing his heritage. Or, is that just Greenwald…use it all to rile folks up to read him, play on the libertarian/dudebros for hits…what?

65 b_sharp  Jul 23, 2014 11:21:30am

re: #51 Gus

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Oh for fuck sake, is everybody fucking nuts?

66 HappyWarrior  Jul 23, 2014 11:22:38am

re: #58 Lidane

BarbWire Commentator: Democrats Planning ‘Atrocities’ Against Jews

Or they side with people who you know aren’t patronizing assholes to them who think that “support” for Israel is all they need to do to prove that they respect Jewish culture and the Jewish people faith.

67 Dr Lizardo  Jul 23, 2014 11:22:45am

re: #65 b_sharp

Oh for fuck sake, is everybody fucking nuts?

Yes.

Yes they are. Times like this bring out the carefully-concealed derangement in a whole lotta people, sad to say.

68 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 23, 2014 11:24:08am

re: #56 NJDhockeyfan

Non-recommended vacation destination…

Jihadists organise tours in their Syria, Iraq ‘caliphate’

“You can get off wherever you want, and you don’t need a passport to cross the border.”

New song: Hotel Syria

.

69 Franklin Brewsevelt  Jul 23, 2014 11:24:26am
70 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 23, 2014 11:24:44am

re: #64 ObserverArt

Since Charles brought up Greenwald, and discussion about him was all over the last thread I have a question about GG that may have been discussed before, but I never caught it.

I’ve been thinking Greenwald is a Jewish name is it not? So, I checked and I find that he was of Jewish background but his family wasn’t particularly active in the faith. He supposedly was never bar mitzvahed.

So my question is…what in that background seems to make him so anti-Israel? Was there something that really turned him…or is it all based on the politics of Israel and he hates it in the same manner he attacks American politics? Anyone have a feel for why he bags on Israel so much?

I would think even if it was politics, he would still be a bit more toned down about it all knowing his heritage. Or, is that just Greenwald…use it all to rile folks up to read him, play on the libertarian/dudebros for hits…what?

Jews are known to have a wide range of diverse opinions, including many self-destructive views. Sometimes even all at once.

71 Stanley Sea  Jul 23, 2014 11:24:50am
72 b_sharp  Jul 23, 2014 11:26:25am

re: #57 Charles Johnson

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It was common enough a few years ago that manufacturers had software that parked the RW head. Now the drive parks itself immediately when done the RW cycle.

73 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 23, 2014 11:26:48am

Wingnuts found a photo of Ronald Reagan during “Hail to the Chief”

74 NJDhockeyfan  Jul 23, 2014 11:27:35am
75 ObserverArt  Jul 23, 2014 11:28:30am

re: #70 Pie-onist Overlord

Jews are known to have a wide range of diverse opinions, including many self-destructive views. Sometimes even all at once.

I understand…but he just seems so venomous about it all…like something about it really got to him. Sort of how it is claimed the Defense of Marriage Act made him leave America and move to Brazil. I don’t think I’ve ever seen or heard him mention that is is his background…almost a total denial.

He seems such a strange bird…just trying to figure some of his motivations.

76 Charles Johnson  Jul 23, 2014 11:29:59am

re: #75 ObserverArt

I don’t think it’s really too complicated - Greenwald is a grifter, and he’s working the rubes of the far left. Being anti-Israel is just part of the snake oil package.

77 Kragar  Jul 23, 2014 11:30:13am

re: #73 Pie-onist Overlord

Wingnuts found a photo of Ronald Reagan during “Hail to the Chief”

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78 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 23, 2014 11:30:47am

re: #75 ObserverArt

I understand…but he just seems so venomous about it all…like something about it really got to him. Sort of how it is claimed the Defense of Marriage Act made him leave America and move to Brazil. I don’t think I’ve ever seen or heard him mention that is is his background…almost a total denial.

He seems such a strange bird…just trying to figure some of his motivations.

I don’t think Greenwald has ever claimed any position “as a Jew.” It’s like it’s not even a part of him.

I find it more disturbing that he has refused to condemn Russia’s homophobic policies.

79 Lidane  Jul 23, 2014 11:31:19am

Because your FB friends list is totally a representative sample of America:

WND Pundit Cites ‘Small Private Poll Of My Facebook Friends’ As Proof Voters Want To Impeach Obama

80 lawhawk  Jul 23, 2014 11:31:41am

Dozens of Israeli reservists are refusing to go into Gaza with outdated APCs. They’re using M113s, which have long been retired from US inventories; the soldiers say that they’re chipsers (the Israeli equivalent to Ronson lighters - one shot and you’re fried).

81 Randall Gross  Jul 23, 2014 11:32:30am
82 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 23, 2014 11:32:46am
83 b_sharp  Jul 23, 2014 11:33:08am

re: #77 Kragar

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It’s the difference between loving the symbol of America or loving the people of America.

84 Charles Johnson  Jul 23, 2014 11:33:27am
85 Bulworth  Jul 23, 2014 11:34:25am

re:
#79

Nearly every American, including many black, poor and middle income Democrats know that the Obama regime is the most impeachable administration in U.S. history.

Gosh, who could argue with this infallible logic?

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86 Bulworth  Jul 23, 2014 11:35:23am

re:
#83

People waving Confederate flags are lecturing us about Patriotism again, I see.

87 lawhawk  Jul 23, 2014 11:35:48am
88 b_sharp  Jul 23, 2014 11:36:42am

re: #79 Lidane

Because your FB friends list is totally a representative sample of America:

WND Pundit Cites ‘Small Private Poll Of My Facebook Friends’ As Proof Voters Want To Impeach Obama

He has a wonderful grasp of statistics and polls.
Math is hard.

89 Bulworth  Jul 23, 2014 11:37:09am

re:
#79

Contrary to popular political theory and the hopes and wishes of millions of Republican voters, not to mention the strategic blunder of the Republican National Committee (RNC), I predict that without a massive shift in Republican political posture, they will not only lose congress in November, but several governorships and the entire Republican Party as well.

Well, I don’t see a problem here, do you all?

90 Bulworth  Jul 23, 2014 11:37:46am

People talk about ‘losing the entire Republican Party’ as if that would be a bad thing…..

91 b_sharp  Jul 23, 2014 11:37:47am

re: #87 lawhawk

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Let’s hope so.

92 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 23, 2014 11:38:35am
93 Mattand  Jul 23, 2014 11:38:45am

If it were 30,000 Caucasian kids from England or Sweden flooding the borders, Republicans would be demanding Obama put them up in 4 star hotels.

94 Skip Intro  Jul 23, 2014 11:39:13am

re: #82 Pie-onist Overlord

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That quote looks fake to me. What’s this “one of the world’s finest hotels” crap?

Anything Trump builds is the best thing ever built by the human race, ever, ever, ever. Just ask him.

AP’s credibility just keeps circulating the drain.

95 ObserverArt  Jul 23, 2014 11:39:48am

re: #78 Pie-onist Overlord

I don’t think Greenwald has ever claimed any position “as a Jew.” It’s like it’s not even a part of him.

I find it more disturbing that he has refused to condemn Russia’s homophobic policies.

That makes me wonder about what his remaining family/relatives think about him. Maybe there are not a lot of family around, or he ran from them all.

And yeah, his whole handling of Russia…not only the homophobic, but the whole spy, data collection thing and the heavy-handedness of the Ukraine situation with his little buddy Snowden right there in the thick of it all.

So, Charles is probably right…all used to stir it up for the grift.

But we all have roots and we all have family and backgrounds. Seems like he had to have dumped on them and the background to be where he is.

96 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 23, 2014 11:41:15am

ummmm… WUT???

97 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 23, 2014 11:41:40am

re: #95 ObserverArt

That makes me wonder about what his remaining family/relatives think about him. Maybe there are not a lot of family around, or he ran from them all.

And yeah, his whole handling of Russia…not only the homophobic, but the whole spy, data collection thing and the heavy-handedness of the Ukraine situation with his little buddy Snowden right there in the thick of it all.

So, Charles is probably right…all used to stir it up for the grift.

But we all have roots and we all have family and backgrounds. Seems like he had to have dumped on them and the background to be where he is.

It seems to me that Glenn Greenwald does not identify with anything that exists outside of the “reality” that he has created for himself.

98 Mattand  Jul 23, 2014 11:41:54am

re: #90 Bulworth

People talk about ‘losing the entire Republican Party’ as if that would be a bad thing…..

Broken record time: it’ll never happen. Too many of our fellow Americans will re-elect/vote them into power, because they are too stupid to look at the damage these nitwits have wrought and actually hold them accountable.

99 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 23, 2014 11:42:26am
100 Lidane  Jul 23, 2014 11:42:27am

re: #96 Backwoods_Sleuth

I’m trying to come up with a reaction to that but keep defaulting to lolwut.

101 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 23, 2014 11:42:59am

Hamas leader Meshaal says Hamas acceptance of any humanitarian truce in #Gaza depends on end to Israeli siege.

102 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 23, 2014 11:43:30am

Mashaal is going to go with the Gawker proposal.

103 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 23, 2014 11:43:40am

re: #100 Lidane

I’m trying to come up with a reaction to that but keep defaulting to lolwut.

me, too.

104 Decatur Deb  Jul 23, 2014 11:43:58am

re: #38 Pie-onist Overlord

FUCK YOU GAWKER.

“It may be a bit late to move Israel to Germany now. But when you consider the prospect of another seven decades of war over that little sliver of land,..”

Optimist.

105 lawhawk  Jul 23, 2014 11:46:25am
106 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 23, 2014 11:46:35am
107 NJDhockeyfan  Jul 23, 2014 11:47:58am
108 Gus  Jul 23, 2014 11:48:14am

FAA FLIGHT BAN TO TEL AVIV IS AN INSIDE JOB MAN!

109 Kragar  Jul 23, 2014 11:49:50am

Stupid browser crashed

110 Rightwingconspirator  Jul 23, 2014 11:50:06am

A feel good page for you all…

Leading By Example

111 Charles Johnson  Jul 23, 2014 11:51:06am
112 Killgore Trout  Jul 23, 2014 11:51:07am
113 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 23, 2014 11:51:37am
114 lawhawk  Jul 23, 2014 11:52:31am

re: #111 Charles Johnson

115 dog philosopher  Jul 23, 2014 11:52:50am

this will be a controversial opinion, but i propose that israel defang the power of hamas this way:

don’t respond to missiles with violence

concentrate on neutralizing them and getting civilians out of harm’s way

116 Killgore Trout  Jul 23, 2014 11:53:54am

French peace activists are on the streets again
Thousands attend tense pro-Gaza march in Paris

With banners featuring slogans such as “Boycott Israel” and “Israel Murderer,” demonstrators tested a government grappling with how best to allow freedom of expression while containing violence — and hate speech against France’s Jews.

117 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 23, 2014 11:54:19am

re: #115 dog philosopher

this will be a controversial opinion, but i propose that israel defang the power of hamas this way:

don’t respond to missiles with violence

concentrate on neutralizing them and getting civilians out of harm’s way

So they should evacuate Sderot, Ashdod & Ashkelon like Gush Katif?

118 Kragar  Jul 23, 2014 11:54:21am

re: #113 Pie-onist Overlord

Maybe they should have thought of that before launching rocket strikes.

Just an idea.

119 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 23, 2014 11:56:01am

re: #118 Kragar

Maybe they should have thought of that before launching rocket strikes.

Just an idea.

I seem to remember there were suicide bombings almost every day from 2000-2004. That led to the evacuation of Gush Katif and the construction of the security barrier.

Now they want the removal of the security barrier in exchange for….?

120 dog philosopher  Jul 23, 2014 11:56:23am

re: #117 Pie-onist Overlord

So they should evacuate Sderot, Ashdod & Ashkelon?

as a purely informational question, since i haven’t found out for myself - how many civilians have been wounded by hamas rockets in these places in the latest round?

if the missile defense was perfected so that no israeli civilians were wounded by it, hamas would be powerless

121 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 23, 2014 11:57:16am

re: #120 dog philosopher

as a purely informational question, since i haven’t found out for myself - how many civilians have been wounded by hamas rockets in these places in the latest round?

if the missile defense was perfected so that no israeli civilians were wounded by it, hamas would be powerless

There have been 2 civilians killed by Hamas rockets. One of them was a friend of my daughter and son-in-law.

122 lawhawk  Jul 23, 2014 11:58:14am

re: #115 dog philosopher

this will be a controversial opinion, but i propose that israel defang the power of hamas this way:

don’t respond to missiles with violence

concentrate on neutralizing them and getting civilians out of harm’s way

1) Israel took fire from Gaza for pretty much every month since the 2012 ceasefire. It only retaliated after the three Israeli teens were kidnapped and murdered and the ensuing roundup of Hamas in the West Bank precipitated massive barrages by Hamas against targets deep inside Israel. One can make an argument that Israel has been extremely restrained by neighborhood standards in its use of force against Gaza but that restraint is repeatedly mistaken for weakness by Hamas and other terror groups.

2) Whose civilians are you proposing getting out of harms’ way? Those in Gaza? Israelis living in Tel Aviv or Jerusalem or Beersheva or Sderot who have to run to the shelters (if they have time to do so that is)?

123 wrenchwench  Jul 23, 2014 11:58:21am

Ho lee fuck.

124 ericblair  Jul 23, 2014 11:59:04am

re: #94 Skip Intro

That quote looks fake to me. What’s this “one of the world’s finest hotels” crap?

Anything Trump builds is the best thing ever built by the human race, ever, ever, ever. Just ask him.

AP’s credibility just keeps circulating the drain.

I assume they’re talking about the old Post Office building he bought next to Union Station. I guess he’s planning on retrofitting it as an upscale hotel. I can hardly contain my excitement at this development. Um.

125 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 23, 2014 12:02:33pm

Well, Satan has him now. He’s got some fun activities planned.

126 Decatur Deb  Jul 23, 2014 12:03:56pm

re: #125 Pie-onist Overlord

Well, Satan has him now. He’s got some fun activities planned.

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Send the body back anyway.

127 Dr Lizardo  Jul 23, 2014 12:04:00pm

Sick, sad world.

I’ll go with the words of my old Sheikh in Berlin.

This is a call to all those involved and all those affected, and that means each and every one of us.
We are all involved and affected by what happens in our world.
We, the children of Adam, are all brothers and sisters, is as it is written in the Holy Book:

“O people, have reverence for your Lord, Who created you from a single soul; and from him He created his wife, and from them both He created many men and women. “(Quran 4/1)

We are the children of the same family and are called by different names:
The German, the French, the English, the Russians, the Turk, the Arab, the Jew:
We, together in this world, represent humanity.
This is the truth and the reality that we know, and what we accept.

In every family there may be disagreements and disputes among family members, as each member of the family has their own opinion and their own claim to freedom.
This is the law of human existence for every human being.

If the family members now argue, the head of the family has his responsibility: he has to go to those who argue and ensure peace and calm by demonstrating respect for the rights of all.

Otherwise, there is unrest and war.
In the end, all of which are then affected, and there is neither a family nor give a house.

O ye rulers; oh, ​​intellectuals, scholars of this world, oh ​​spiritual guides: be you Pope, or Rabbi, or Sheikh!

Pay heed!

Wherever in this world there are those among men whom God, in His mercy and wisdom, has entrusted to you, who sow discord and provoke warring groups into trying to destroy each other, it is your responsibility to ensure peace. How long will you have eyes and ears shut?

Wake up and cease to take sides in trying to wipe out the other in the most cruel way.

If our humanity is lost, mankind is finished.

Oh you intellectuals, spiritual scholars and religious leaders!
Do not push the people on the path to war and ruination.
Your task is to show people the way and not to call to take up arms against the governments.
The solution to all problems lies in wise leadership.

Come intellectuals and scribes, and call on your governments to maintain law and peace in our world!
Your task is to urge governments to show the right response to provide for a lasting peace in your own country and around the world so that mankind is not lost.

The scribes are there to give people knowledge and to give the rulers the right impetus for the correct response. You have with your knowledge a great effect on the people and their governments, and should be aware of this great responsibility and act accordingly.

Fact:
No man is born into this world as a slave.
Every man is born free and has the same right as any other to live here in this world, to live free.
Without his own dwelling place and his freedom, men become little more than slaves or prisoners and they will revolt in a bid to gain their freedom.

Why has it come to this?
God, the Almighty and the All-Merciful, the Lord of heaven and Earth created mankind with the highest honor, beginning with the first man, Adam, peace be upon him, and all his children, be they Germans, or French, or English, or Russians , or Turks, or Arabs, or Jews … all mankind partakes in this high honor.

The honor of every man comes from his free will.
God, the Lord, bestowed upon every human being free will bestowed, and when others endeavor to take that away, when that is attempted, there is war.

Without free will, there is no honor for people.

Free Will means freedom:

Free to decide on belief
free to decide on the Journey,
free to decide on location,
free to decide on a way of life.

Just as it is written in the Holy Book:
“He it is Who has made ​​the earth docile. So is accompanied on her back and eat out of what He provides for you. And to Him shall be the Resurrection. “(Koran Mulk 15) so it is!

Life is a gift of the Lord to us humans, and each person decides for himself where his place in the world is. The Lord has given this right to each individual to decide where his place in this world is.
For peace and order to occur, is the role of governments and the task of the scholars to lend them support with wise advice.
No one in this world has the right to expel another from the place given to him by the Lord or attempt to bring harm or injury unto him.

O people, listen!
This world belongs not to any of us.
It belongs solely to the Lord of the Worlds.
It is His kingdom and in His kingdom, He has appointed mankind as His regents: Every individual is His regent. He who recognizes this and acts with care and wisdom within his place in the life of this world will live on forever and at peace.

-Sheikh Esref Efendi, 7/22/2014

128 dog philosopher  Jul 23, 2014 12:04:46pm

re: #121 Pie-onist Overlord

re: #122 lawhawk

it’s a strategic proposal

i’m angry at the ability of hamas to manipulate the situation, to, effectively, manipulate israel

their intention is to make israel attack

so, right now israel ends up playing hamas’ game because it doesn’t see any other way of defending itself, and the outcome is that hamas thereby successfully manipulates world opinion

129 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 23, 2014 12:05:49pm

re: #128 dog philosopher

it’s a strategic proposal

BTDTGTTS.

130 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 23, 2014 12:08:33pm
131 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 23, 2014 12:09:30pm

IT’S ANOTHER POWERPOINT PRESENTATION!

132 lawhawk  Jul 23, 2014 12:09:59pm

re: #130 Pie-onist Overlord

Next thing you know, they’ll put The Trace on you. /Mad Eye Moody

133 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 23, 2014 12:10:45pm
134 CuriousLurker  Jul 23, 2014 12:12:21pm

Meanwhile, it seems like some want to import the fight to the U.S.:

ADL Condemns Spate of Harassment and Intimidation of Muslim Worshippers in Brooklyn

New York, NY, July 22, 2014 … The Anti-Defamation League (ADL) today condemned the recent harassment and intimidation of Muslim worshippers on July 20 in the Brooklyn neighborhood of Bay Ridge, when a car bearing Israeli flags, honking its horn, and using sirens and flashing lights, reportedly drove several times around the Islamic Society of Bay Ridge, a local mosque.

According to reports, worshippers were also pelted with eggs at another Brooklyn mosque. […]

newyork.adl.org

Great, just effing wonderful. I hope American Muslims in general and NYC Muslims in particular have the sense to not respond in kind.

We. Do. Not. Need. Or. Want. This. Crap. Here.

135 Decatur Deb  Jul 23, 2014 12:12:33pm

re: #130 Pie-onist Overlord

Even uncorroborated social media posts can be grounds for putting you on a terror watchlist firstlook.org

Does he have a point in there someplace? It’s a watchlist.

136 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 23, 2014 12:13:35pm

re: #135 Decatur Deb

Does he have a point in there someplace? It’s a watchlist.

THEY’RE WATCHING YOU!!!!!!!

137 Decatur Deb  Jul 23, 2014 12:15:00pm

re: #136 Pie-onist Overlord

THEY’RE WATCHING YOU!!!!!!!

I was relieved when my security clearance came through. And a tiny bit disappointed.

138 Lidane  Jul 23, 2014 12:15:35pm

Princess Dumbass of the Northwoods is flapping her gums again:

Sarah Palin: I’m Sure Glad I Turned Down That Cameo On ‘True Blood’

139 Killgore Trout  Jul 23, 2014 12:15:48pm

re: #128 dog philosopher

it’s a strategic proposal

i’m angry at the ability of hamas to manipulate the situation, to, effectively, manipulate israel

their intention is to make israel attack

so, right now israel ends up playing hamas’ game because it doesn’t see any other way of defending itself, and the outcome is that hamas thereby successfully manipulates world opinion

When do you think Hamas would allow the Tel Aviv airport to reopen? I hate to be dismissive but allowing Hamas to launch rockets and tunnel into Israel as long as they please just isn’t a serious proposal.

140 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 23, 2014 12:18:43pm

re: #139 Killgore Trout

When do you think Hamas would allow the Tel Aviv airport to reopen? I hate to be dismissive but allowing Hamas to launch rockets and tunnel into Israel as long as they please just isn’t a serious proposal.

You’re being flippant, right?

141 Decatur Deb  Jul 23, 2014 12:19:28pm

re: #139 Killgore Trout

When do you think Hamas would allow the Tel Aviv airport to reopen? I hate to be dismissive but allowing Hamas to launch rockets and tunnel into Israel as long as they please just isn’t a serious proposal.

After 65 years of serious proposals, it looks like the ME situation will be solved by an un-serious proposal, or not at all.

142 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Jul 23, 2014 12:21:48pm

re: #122 lawhawk

1) Israel took fire from Gaza for pretty much every month since the 2012 ceasefire. It only retaliated after the three Israeli teens were kidnapped and murdered and the ensuing roundup of Hamas in the West Bank precipitated massive barrages by Hamas against targets deep inside Israel.

Almost completely ineffective barrages, though. The number of Israeli civilian casualties has diminished hugely since it’s peak in, I believe, around 2002. That’s part of why this recent move by Bibi is so bizarre to me. It really doesn’t benefit Israel in the long term.

143 GlutenFreeJesus  Jul 23, 2014 12:21:50pm

re: #47 Charles Johnson

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Such news

144 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 23, 2014 12:22:19pm

re: #140 Backwoods_Sleuth

You’re being flippant, right?

Because saying Israel is allowing Hamas to do all this is just for shitz & giggles. If Israel would just not allow this stuff, all would be good.

Is that what you’re saying?

145 Lidane  Jul 23, 2014 12:22:20pm

History, yer doin’ it wrong —

Richard Land Links Gay Rights To Nazi Germany

After lecturing liberals on why they are wrong to fault the United States for slavery, former Southern Baptist Convention official Richard Land drew a connection between the rise of gay rights and Nazi Germany.

While guest-hosting yesterday’s edition of “Washington Watch,” Land spoke with Fox News correspondent Todd Starnes about President Obama’s recent executive order to protect employees of federal government contractors from discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation and gender identity.

He told Starnes that conservatives need to stand up to “the gay thought police” or face Nazi-style persecution, mentioning Martin Niemöller’s anti-Nazi poem “First they came….”

If anyone’s got a few spare desks lying around, flip one over for me.

146 GlutenFreeJesus  Jul 23, 2014 12:22:49pm

re: #139 Killgore Trout

When do you think Hamas would allow the Tel Aviv airport to reopen? I hate to be dismissive but allowing Hamas to launch rockets and tunnel into Israel as long as they please just isn’t a serious proposal.

Israel blowing up civilians isn’t the proper response.

147 Killgore Trout  Jul 23, 2014 12:25:28pm
148 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Jul 23, 2014 12:27:14pm

re: #134 CuriousLurker

Isn’t Pam Geller in NYC?

149 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 23, 2014 12:27:19pm
150 b.d.  Jul 23, 2014 12:27:50pm

re: #130 Pie-onist Overlord

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Wow, we’re leaking unclassified documents now on The Intercept?

Worst. Finale. Ever.

151 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 23, 2014 12:28:36pm

re: #150 b.d.

Wow, we’re leaking unclassified documents now on The Intercept?

Worst. Finale. Ever.

but, but, but…it’s HUUUUUUGE!!!!!!!!!!
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152 wrenchwench  Jul 23, 2014 12:29:12pm
153 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Jul 23, 2014 12:30:16pm

re: #139 Killgore Trout

When do you think Hamas would allow the Tel Aviv airport to reopen? I hate to be dismissive but allowing Hamas to launch rockets and tunnel into Israel as long as they please just isn’t a serious proposal.

He didn’t make that proposal, though.

Israel is, mostly, safe from attacks by Hamas. The rockets and mortars are largely ineffective—this is, again, not in the least bit an excuse for them, they are, each and every one, a war crime. The security walls and checkpoints have mostly stopped suicide bombers. It is extremely unlikely, as an Israeli, to die from a Hamas attack. About half as many Israelis have died in the current ground invasion as have died in the past five years or so.

The ‘terror tunnels’ are kind of an unknown quantity of threat, and an argument can be made they need to be sealed off, but it is already a very high price in Israeli casualties, not even looking at the Palestinian casualties.

154 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 23, 2014 12:30:44pm

Wingnut fantasy:
I remember when Reagan sold AWACS to Saudi Arabia, then went to lay flowers on a nazi grave.

155 Charles Johnson  Jul 23, 2014 12:34:26pm
156 Kragar  Jul 23, 2014 12:34:45pm

re: #154 Pie-onist Overlord

Wingnut fantasy:
I remember when Reagan sold AWACS to Saudi Arabia, then went to lay flowers on a nazi grave.

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157 Gus  Jul 23, 2014 12:34:45pm

re: #154 Pie-onist Overlord

Wingnut fantasy:
I remember when Reagan sold AWACS to Saudi Arabia, then went to lay flowers on a nazi grave.

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Really. A carrier group… with F-16s?

158 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Jul 23, 2014 12:34:53pm

re: #145 Lidane

History, yer doin’ it wrong —

Richard Land Links Gay Rights To Nazi Germany

If anyone’s got a few spare desks lying around, flip one over for me.

I flipped all my Richard Land-dedicated desks long ago. Ask him about his toupee. As per my Todd Starnes story, I also had occasion to work around Richard Land during his time at the SBC. Shit-weasel is too good a term for him.

159 Decatur Deb  Jul 23, 2014 12:36:12pm

re: #157 Gus

Really. A carrier group… with F-16s?

He’s on a roll.

160 calochortus  Jul 23, 2014 12:36:36pm

re: #154 Pie-onist Overlord

Wingnut fantasy:
I remember when Reagan sold AWACS to Saudi Arabia, then went to lay flowers on a nazi grave.

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You must know that there is no problem so difficult or nuanced that it can’t be solved by the application of military force.
/

161 Decatur Deb  Jul 23, 2014 12:38:40pm

re: #153 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

He didn’t make that proposal, though.

Israel is, mostly, safe from attacks by Hamas. The rockets and mortars are largely ineffective—this is, again, not in the least bit an excuse for them, they are, each and every one, a war crime. The security walls and checkpoints have mostly stopped suicide bombers. It is extremely unlikely, as an Israeli, to die from a Hamas attack. About half as many Israelis have died in the current ground invasion as have died in the past five years or so.

The ‘terror tunnels’ are kind of an unknown quantity of threat, and an argument can be made they need to be sealed off, but it is already a very high price in Israeli casualties, not even looking at the Palestinian casualties.

Tunnels coming your direction are easy meat. We had a fix for that in Korea in the 1980s.

TNT (Eighth US Army Tunnel Neutralization Team)

books.google.com

162 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Jul 23, 2014 12:40:42pm

re: #161 Decatur Deb

Tunnels coming your direction are easy meat. We had a fix for that in Korea in the 1980s.

TNT (Eighth US Army Tunnel Neutralization Team)

books.google.com

Such an ancient part of warfare. The farthest back I can go on the Scandinavian side of my family, a great-somethingth Uncle was a sapper in Peter the Great’s army.

163 RealityBasedSteve  Jul 23, 2014 12:41:05pm

re: #154 Pie-onist Overlord

Wingnut fantasy:
I remember when Reagan sold AWACS to Saudi Arabia, then went to lay flowers on a nazi grave.

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I have a feeling that will show up on my FB timeline from a former co-worker. She posts great stuff about sky-diving and her kids, but then some utter derp like this. I like and participate on her good stuff, and debunk and discredit the derp. She asked me “Why?”, I told her that she was too smart to be posting stupid.

RBS

164 wrenchwench  Jul 23, 2014 12:41:40pm

BUNNEHS

165 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 23, 2014 12:42:40pm

re: #164 wrenchwench

BUNNEHS

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Bunneh on the left looks like his sword is stuck up his azz…

166 wrenchwench  Jul 23, 2014 12:44:28pm

re: #165 Backwoods_Sleuth

Bunneh on the left looks like his sword is stuck up his azz…

…providing support.

167 Lidane  Jul 23, 2014 12:44:30pm

OUTRAGE! TYRANNY! IMPERIAL GUBMINT!

‘Sovereign citizen’ must face charges, even if he is Crown Prince Emperor El Bey Bigbay Bagby

Why does Obama hate Teh Crown Prince?

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168 darthstar  Jul 23, 2014 12:44:40pm

169 RealityBasedSteve  Jul 23, 2014 12:45:42pm

re: #164 wrenchwench

BUNNEHS

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It could be Bunnies…..

Youtube Video

170 CuriousLurker  Jul 23, 2014 12:45:43pm

re: #148 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

Isn’t Pam Geller in NYC?

Sorry for the slow reply; the fire alarm went off in my building. NBD, apparently the guys working on the elevator set it off somehow.

Yeah. I’ve avoided reading anything she’s said since this started. The usual rhetorical cacophony from both sides is bad enough without adding the likes of her to it. I probably unfollowed a dozen people on Twitter yesterday.

I’m sick of it—enough already.

171 Kragar  Jul 23, 2014 12:45:44pm

re: #162 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

Such an ancient part of warfare. The farthest back I can go on the Scandinavian side of my family, a great-somethingth Uncle was a sapper in Peter the Great’s army.

The first time I ever got the stink eye from a Christian Fundamentalist was when I brought up the theory that sappers undermined the walls of Jericho, and that the army sounding horns was to hide the sounds of the digging.

172 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Jul 23, 2014 12:47:01pm

re: #171 Kragar

The first time I ever got the stink eye from a Christian Fundamentalist was when I brought up the theory that sappers undermined the walls of Jericho, and that the army sounding horns was to hide the sounds of the digging.

Next time get an even bigger stinkeye by cheerfully informing them that Jericho has been discovered by archaeologists and it never had any walls.

173 Decatur Deb  Jul 23, 2014 12:49:03pm

re: #172 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

Next time get an even bigger stinkeye by cheerfully informing them that Jericho has been discovered by archaeologists and it never had any walls.

Well, of course it doesn’t have walls NOW.

(Studied Kenyon’s stuff in school, went to see for myself.)

174 Kragar  Jul 23, 2014 12:50:18pm

re: #172 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

Next time get an even bigger stinkeye by cheerfully informing them that Jericho has been discovered by archaeologists and it never had any walls.

LOL, I will, but this was 15 years ago, so I doubt I’m running into the guy any time soon.

175 CuriousLurker  Jul 23, 2014 12:51:58pm

re: #166 wrenchwench

I have no idea why, but when I saw this last night you’re the first person that came to mind, LOL:

176 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 23, 2014 12:57:01pm
177 Bulworth  Jul 23, 2014 1:00:18pm

re:
#145

While guest-hosting yesterday’s edition of “Washington Watch,” Land spoke with Fox News correspondent Todd Starnes

Wait, I think I see the problem here…..

178 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Jul 23, 2014 1:00:24pm

re: #173 Decatur Deb

I wonder why the horn bothered to erase all the digging for the foundations, of the walls, too.

Also, the town was abandoned in reality during that time period, which makes the slaughter of every one of its inhabitants a much less bloody affair.

179 Kragar  Jul 23, 2014 1:01:27pm

re: #178 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

I wonder why the horn bothered to erase all the digging for the foundations, of the walls, too.

Also, the town was abandoned in reality during that time period, which makes the slaughter of every one of its inhabitants a much less bloody affair.

“We killed the one hermit we found.”
“Good, spread the news we’ve killed everyone here.”

180 HappyWarrior  Jul 23, 2014 1:02:14pm

re: #176 Backwoods_Sleuth

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It was going to happen. Note to Cruz, you’re not being a friend or helping Israel at all when you accuse the American president of aiding Hamas, you fucking tool.

181 Bulworth  Jul 23, 2014 1:02:24pm

re:
#167

U.S. kangaroo Court not legal or official because Obama birth certificate not real president!

182 Decatur Deb  Jul 23, 2014 1:02:34pm

re: #157 Gus

Really. A carrier group… with F-16s?

Looks like we have two carrier groups in the Med. Light on F-16s, though. To make Republican hearts proud, one of them is the GHW Bush.

en.wikipedia.org

183 wrenchwench  Jul 23, 2014 1:03:34pm

re: #175 CuriousLurker

I have no idea why, but when I saw this last night you’re the first person that came to mind, LOL:

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I take that as a very high compliment.

I don’t know what you were high on, though. Dates?

184 RealityBasedSteve  Jul 23, 2014 1:03:58pm

re: #181 Bulworth

re:
#167

U.S. kangaroo Court not legal or official because Obama birth certificate not real president!

And the flag has a gold fringe, so the court is actually a ship, not a court at all. (and yes, that seems to play a key roll in the SC movement)

RBS

185 Gus  Jul 23, 2014 1:05:50pm

SECRET PLOT

186 Gus  Jul 23, 2014 1:06:19pm

re: #182 Decatur Deb

Looks like we have two carrier groups in the Med. Light on F-16s, though. To make Republican hearts proud, one of them is the GHW Bush.

Very light. As in zero. :D

187 Decatur Deb  Jul 23, 2014 1:06:25pm

re: #185 Gus

SECRET PLOTZ

188 wrenchwench  Jul 23, 2014 1:06:47pm

re: #180 HappyWarrior

Your niece is looking great (in your avi). Here’s mine:

First trip to a swimming pool.

189 lawhawk  Jul 23, 2014 1:07:08pm

re: #187 Decatur Deb

We’re plotzing here from the suspense.

I hope it’ll last. /

190 CuriousLurker  Jul 23, 2014 1:08:35pm

re: #183 wrenchwench

I take that as a very high compliment.

I don’t know what you were high on, though. Dates?

LOL, nope. It must’ve been because it made me giggle when I saw it. Like if you were a cat, that’s probably how you’d look when you read some of the more *cough* interesting comments here and think to yourself, “WTF? It doesn’t even make sense if I read it upside down.”

191 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jul 23, 2014 1:08:40pm

re: #171 Kragar

The first time I ever got the stink eye from a Christian Fundamentalist was when I brought up the theory that sappers undermined the walls of Jericho, and that the army sounding horns was to hide the sounds of the digging.

So I had a discussion with a fundamentalist Christian mathematician who said he was convinced of the Truth of the BIble because the mathematical odds of all the prophecies of being fulfilled in the New Testament were astronomical, like, he said, covering all of Texas knee-deep in silver dollars and then finding a particular one on the first try…

I pointed out that had the Old Testament been sealed away in a jar and not discovered until the New Testament had been written, that would be something, but I when I suggested that they might have tweaked it to fit, he just WOULD NOT PROCESS.

192 Feline Fearless Leader  Jul 23, 2014 1:08:59pm

re: #64 ObserverArt

Since Charles brought up Greenwald, and discussion about him was all over the last thread I have a question about GG that may have been discussed before, but I never caught it.

I’ve been thinking Greenwald is a Jewish name is it not? So, I checked and I find that he was of Jewish background but his family wasn’t particularly active in the faith. He supposedly was never bar mitzvahed.

So my question is…what in that background seems to make him so anti-Israel? Was there something that really turned him…or is it all based on the politics of Israel and he hates it in the same manner he attacks American politics? Anyone have a feel for why he bags on Israel so much?

I would think even if it was politics, he would still be a bit more toned down about it all knowing his heritage. Or, is that just Greenwald…use it all to rile folks up to read him, play on the libertarian/dudebros for hits…what?

US government is for all intents and purposes pro-Israel. Therefore, Greenwald is anti-Israel.

193 HappyWarrior  Jul 23, 2014 1:09:18pm

re: #188 wrenchwench

Your niece is looking great (in your avi). Here’s mine:

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First trip to a swimming pool.

Thanks WW! Nice to update it since that’s from last month(actually two months ago as that was her second month birthday) as I obviously didn’t get many photos of her during my trip. She’s about to take her first big trip of her own tomorrow actually. Going to Peru for her great grandma’s 90th birthday.

194 b.d.  Jul 23, 2014 1:09:20pm

re: #186 Gus

Very light. As in zero. :D

WE HAVE STEALTH HELICOPTERS, FIGHTERS AND BOMBERS. WE MIGHT HAVE SOME F-16s THAT ARE SOOOO STEALTHY AND SECRET THAT YOU CAN’T SEE THEM ON CARRIERS! REAGAN WOULD HAVE MADE THOSE

195 wrenchwench  Jul 23, 2014 1:11:22pm

re: #190 CuriousLurker

LOL, nope. It must’ve been because it made me giggle when I saw it. Like if you were a cat, that’s probably how you’d look when you read some of the more *cough* interesting comments here and are think to yourself, “WTF? It doesn’t even make sense if I read it upside down.”

I do, in fact, look exactly like that.

196 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 23, 2014 1:12:24pm

re: #157 Gus

Really. A carrier group… with F-16s?

Hey, in Ronaldus Magnus Fantasy Land, F-16’s land on carriers!

197 Lidane  Jul 23, 2014 1:12:36pm

That sound you hear is a bunch of fundie heads going ‘splodey:

Glenn Beck Is Very Receptive To The Idea That Jesus Was Married To Mary Magdalene: ‘You Could Talk Me Into That’

During the discussion, Beck’s co-host Pat Gray, asserted that he “absolutely believes” that Jesus was married to Mary Magdalene. Gary, like Beck, is also a Mormon and this belief, while not being official LDS doctrine, is a common belief among Mormons, and it is one that Beck likewise appears to share.

“You could talk me into that,” Beck said, arguing that it was simply impossible for Mary Magdalene to be traveling closely with Jesus and his disciples unless she had been married to him.

“It just wouldn’t have happened,” he said. “A bunch of guys traveling around with a women? Unmarried? I don’t think so”

198 Bulworth  Jul 23, 2014 1:12:57pm

re:
#184

No legit US gov since we were on GOLD standard in 1930s Hurr hurr!!!111 ENDTHEFED!!!11

199 HappyWarrior  Jul 23, 2014 1:15:08pm

re: #198 Bulworth

re:
#184

No legit US gov since we were on GOLD standard in 1930s Hurr hurr!!!111 ENDTHEFED!!!11

Ron Paul really needs to be cast as a Bond villain.
“Do you expect me to die, Dr. Paul?”
“No, Mr. Bond, I expect you to accept Von Mises economic theory.”

200 Decatur Deb  Jul 23, 2014 1:17:33pm

re: #196 Pie-onist Overlord

Hey, in Ronaldus Magnus Fantasy Land, F-16’s land on carriers!

An F-16 can land on a carrier. Once.

201 dog philosopher  Jul 23, 2014 1:59:39pm

re: #139 Killgore Trout

When do you think Hamas would allow the Tel Aviv airport to reopen? I hate to be dismissive but allowing Hamas to launch rockets and tunnel into Israel as long as they please just isn’t a serious proposal.

i think that’s a serious answer, but i wish you wouldn’t take such a condescending tone about it

202 William Barnett-Lewis  Jul 23, 2014 2:27:41pm

re: #133 Pie-onist Overlord

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Another one for whom the only reply is “Drunk or Stupid?”

203 William Barnett-Lewis  Jul 23, 2014 2:30:34pm

re: #154 Pie-onist Overlord

Wingnut fantasy:
I remember when Reagan sold AWACS to Saudi Arabia, then went to lay flowers on a nazi grave.

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A SS cemetery at that. Spit. It was the moment he showed his true colors in public.

At least he, Maggie, Francisco & Augusto are all sharing a room in hell now.

204 Dave In Austin  Jul 23, 2014 5:05:38pm

re: #164 wrenchwench

BUNNEHS

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Run Away!!! Run Away!!!!!


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