Ted Nugent Calls People Who Criticize His Racism and Extremism “Unclean Vermin”

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Ted Nugent’s scheduled show at a native American casino in Worley, Idaho, was recently canceled when the venue received numerous complaints about the crotch-rocker’s long history of hateful racism and right wing extremism, and tonight he’s lashing out at critics who are calling for his show in Oshkosh, Wisconsin to be canceled as well — calling them “unclean vermin” who don’t “qualify as people.”

Which is probably not going to convince anyone that he’s not a hateful cretin.

Ted Nugent, who performs Saturday at the Leach Amphitheater in Oshkosh, has a few words for critics calling for Waterfest organizers to cancel his show.

“I take it as a badge of honor that such unclean vermin are upset by me and my positive energy,” Nugent said in a recent interview with Gannett Wisconsin Media. “Put your heart and soul into everything you do and nobody can stop you. Sometimes you give the world the best you got and you get kicked in the teeth. Give the world the best you got anyway.”

The outspoken rocker took some time to respond to a few questions via email while on the SHUTUP & JAM! tour. He said he’s always had critics.

“By all indicators, I don’t think they actually qualify as people, but there has always been a lunatic fringe of hateful, rotten, dishonest people that hate happy, successful people,” Nugent said.

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1 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Jul 23, 2014 7:58:42pm
but there has always been a lunatic fringe of hateful, rotten, dishonest people that hate happy, successful people,” Nugent said.

Projection. It’s not just a river in Egypt.

2 William Barnett-Lewis  Jul 23, 2014 7:59:06pm

Yes Ted, we know you hate successful people.

Now go back to your pants shitting and poaching and leave the music to the adults, m’kay?

3 GlutenFreeJesus  Jul 23, 2014 7:59:19pm

Thought he’d be dead or in prison by now. Oh yeah. That’s right. He’s a hypocritical asshole.

4 Stanley Sea  Jul 23, 2014 8:06:56pm

Nugent has let his white supremacist flag fly.

Everyone previously supporting him…ha ha ha you are fucked, rightly.

Don’t think any new RW Politico’s are going to invite him to anything.

5 dog philosopher  Jul 23, 2014 8:08:20pm

“there has always been a lunatic fringe of hateful, rotten, dishonest people that hate happy, successful people”

For neurotics, behavior such as denial is an unconscious defense mechanism that protects against the experience of unbearable pain. With disordered characters, what we commonly perceive as unconscious defenses (e.g., denial) are more often deliberate tactics of impression-management, manipulation, and responsibility-avoidance

6 GlutenFreeJesus  Jul 23, 2014 8:08:41pm

re: #4 Stanley Sea

Nugent has let his white supremacist flag fly.

Everyone previously supporting him…ha ha ha you are fucked, rightly.

Don’t think any new RW Politico’s are going to invite him to anything.

No. They will. You’ll see.

7 Stanley Sea  Jul 23, 2014 8:10:59pm

re: #6 GlutenFreeJesus

No. They will. You’ll see.

If only I could be in charge of the advertising of the DNC.

8 teleskiguy  Jul 23, 2014 8:12:07pm

Ted Nugent is a piece of shit.

9 Mike Lamb  Jul 23, 2014 8:14:07pm

From downstairs…

Cruz is admitting to stopping Senate business over bullshit politicking, and yet the Senate honors his holds…the Senate is irrevocably broken.

10 jaunte  Jul 23, 2014 8:14:50pm
“…there has always been a lunatic fringe of hateful, rotten, dishonest people that hate happy, successful people

Maybe in some future lifetime he’ll get there.

11 BeachDem  Jul 23, 2014 8:15:34pm

re: #4 Stanley Sea

Nugent has let his white supremacist flag fly.

Everyone previously supporting him…ha ha ha you are fucked, rightly.

Don’t think any new RW Politico’s are going to invite him to anything.

He’s said and done worse things and they still seem to welcome him with open arms.

12 goddamnedfrank  Jul 23, 2014 8:16:54pm

To be fair, Nugent’s statement sounds much better in the original German.

13 teleskiguy  Jul 23, 2014 8:21:34pm

re: #9 Mike Lamb

From downstairs…

Cruz is admitting to stopping Senate business over bullshit politicking, and yet the Senate honors his holds…the Senate is irrevocably broken.

I hate to cite known asshole @billmaher. Thing is he suggested more than a few times on his HBO show that the Senate should be represented proportional to the state’s population. Maher’s idea is pretty simple: three Senate seats for your New Yorks and Californias and Texases (mind the spelling, it an internet comment) and one senate seat for your Wyomings and Alaskas.

That involves amending the Constitution. So it’s a pipe dream.

*COUGH cough COUGH cough COUGH*

14 BongCrodny  Jul 23, 2014 8:21:38pm

Ted really doesn’t sound very happy, does he?

15 GlutenFreeJesus  Jul 23, 2014 8:23:55pm

re: #7 Stanley Sea

If only I could be in charge of the advertising of the DNC.

They have a goldmine right in front of them but they never use any of it.

16 BongCrodny  Jul 23, 2014 8:25:45pm

re: #13 teleskiguy

I hate to cite known asshole @billmaher. Thing is he suggested more than a few times on his HBO show that the Senate should be represented proportional to the state’s population. Maher’s idea is pretty simple: three Senate seats for your New Yorks and Californias and Texases (mind the spelling, it an internet comment) and one senate seat for your Wyomings and Alaskas.

That involves amending the Constitution. So it’s a pipe dream.

*COUGH cough COUGH cough COUGH*

Even if we got an extra Barbara Boxer, Diane Feinstein, Chuck Schumer and Kristin Gillibrand, I’m not sure that getting an extra Ted Cruz would make it worthwhile.

17 BeachDem  Jul 23, 2014 8:26:06pm

Just a little recap of some of Nugent’s “greatest hits.”

That delightful creature, Ted Nugent began his charm offensive back in 2008 when, waving his guns, he said, “Hey, Obama, you might wanna suck on one of these, you punk.” He continued, “Hillary, you might wanna ride one of these into the sunset, you worthless bitch.”

What a respectful person Nugent has always been.

“The Nuge” pretty much continued his charming commentary after Mr. Obama became President, comparing Obama and his administration to coyotes, called them criminals, etc. and was rabid enough to earn a visit from the Secret Service for his rhetoric.

The result? He was lauded by the Romney family when he endorsed Mitt, earning a tweet from fanboi, Tagg:

18 teleskiguy  Jul 23, 2014 8:28:55pm

Here’s a wild idea! Let’s abolish the Senate entirely because it inherently is the most un-democratic legislative body in all Democracy!

19 teleskiguy  Jul 23, 2014 8:32:44pm

This was over on the lower right hand corner, in the unbelievably cool Frank Says box. I had to share.

20 sagehen  Jul 23, 2014 8:45:18pm

re: #13 teleskiguy

I hate to cite known asshole @billmaher. Thing is he suggested more than a few times on his HBO show that the Senate should be represented proportional to the state’s population. Maher’s idea is pretty simple: three Senate seats for your New Yorks and Californias and Texases (mind the spelling, it an internet comment) and one senate seat for your Wyomings and Alaskas.

That involves amending the Constitution. So it’s a pipe dream.

*COUGH cough COUGH cough COUGH*

We already have a House that works that way.

This was by design — that 1/2 of congress is by population, and the other very deliberately isn’t. Because the people who wrote the Constitution wanted sparsely populated states to have disproportionate strength to not let the cities have their way without having to also satisfy the agricultural and wilderness zones.

21 gwangung  Jul 23, 2014 8:47:48pm

re: #9 Mike Lamb

From downstairs…

Cruz is admitting to stopping Senate business over bullshit politicking, and yet the Senate honors his holds…the Senate is irrevocably broken.

I invite Sen. Cruz to fly into Tel Aviv PERSONALLY to examine the FAA’s actions.

22 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Jul 23, 2014 8:48:19pm

re: #20 sagehen

We already have a House that works that way.

This was by design — that 1/2 of congress is by population, and the other very deliberately isn’t. Because the people who wrote the Constitution wanted sparsely populated states to have disproportionate strength to not let the cities have their way without having to also satisfy the agricultural and wilderness zones.

It really wasn’t that reasoned out, it was just the less-populous states (well, actually less-white populous, they had plenty of black populace) wanted more representation, and they already existed as legal entities. They weren’t going to sign on unless they got the compromises they wanted, including legal slavery, slaves treated as 3/5 of a person for purposes of representation in the house, and senators for each state. Without that, the end of slavery would probably have come much faster.

23 Blue Fielder  Jul 23, 2014 9:01:37pm

“(U)nclean vermin”. That’s how it always starts.

And how does it end? Ask Rwanda.

24 ausador  Jul 23, 2014 9:02:17pm

Oh goodness me…these people are utterly beyond reason. :(

Abortion protestors outside a California clinic, the quote is from right at the 4:00 mark but some previous comments and actions are almost equally disturbing.

When a woman is raped by a man and she conceives, that is God trying to give her a treasure out of darkness, a child that can be there when she’s crying over this pain, to wipe her tears and say “Mommy-I’m here for you and I love you.”

Youtube Video

1. 95% sure that only a man would say that.

2. The Nuge still has them beat hands down in purely nonsensical fanaticism.

25 Ryan King  Jul 23, 2014 9:10:19pm

re: #23 Blue Fielder

“(U)nclean vermin”. That’s how it always starts.

And how does it end? Ask Rwanda.

The real unclean vermin is the sick hateful people that dehumanize other humans.

26 jaunte  Jul 23, 2014 9:14:04pm
27 Petero1818  Jul 23, 2014 9:17:14pm

Here is just a sample of Nugent’s overwhelmingly positive energy:

mediamatters.org

Don’t you just feel like you are tripping on extacy with all this positivity?

28 Ryan King  Jul 23, 2014 9:23:23pm

Yes, Nugent makes me feel all positive and patriotic and loving of all humanity.

He really does.

29 ausador  Jul 23, 2014 9:24:57pm

I see that the RWNJ disinformation campaign about birth control pills has taken root and begun bearing fruit already. Seeing more and more ignorant comments like this one on any thread about reproductive rights.

Birth control pills cause the baby to starve to death. That is an extremely cruel and barbaric thing to do a child in the womb. It is not “contra”ception, which means to prevent conception, but it is actually an abortifacient because it causes the already conceived child to starve to death. Birth control pills are nothing more that modern day witchcraft sorcery.
truthdisciple - - YouTube comments

Sigh…the video isn’t much better, abortion protestors claiming there is no overpopulation and that Texas alone could support 6 billion humans (except for that pesky food and water problem I guess).

30 wheat-dogghazi  Jul 23, 2014 9:33:38pm

re: #29 ausador

I see that the RWNJ disinformation campaign about birth control pills has taken root and begun bearing fruit already. Seeing more and more ignorant comments like this one on any thread about reproductive rights.

Sigh…

It goes hand in hand with the preferred RW model of sex education, abstinence. Then, students never get to hear the real facts about contraception, so RWNJs can fill their minds with all kinds of disinformation.

31 Rightwingconspirator  Jul 23, 2014 9:46:06pm

So that whole Obama secretly helping Hamas ordering FAA to stop flights blah blah blah?

The FAA lifts ban on U.S. airlines flying to Israel’s Ben Gurion International Airport after a security assessment.

32 Ryan King  Jul 23, 2014 9:54:04pm

re: #31 Rightwingconspirator

So that whole Obama secretly helping Hamas ordering FAA to stop flights blah blah blah?

No. I really think the compelling narrative of the Campaigner in Chief is:

Blah blah blah. Blah blah, blah blah blah. Obama blah blah feckless blah blah leadership blah blah Melona and milk blah blah blah. But seriously, blah blah blah.

33 darthstar  Jul 23, 2014 9:54:07pm

Why does anyone listen to what this pustulating penile cyst has to say? Ted Nugent can go fuck himself with Rick Perry’s machine gun.

34 darthstar  Jul 23, 2014 9:59:27pm

Oh jesus…

35 ausador  Jul 23, 2014 10:09:52pm

re: #34 darthstar

Oh jesus…

[Embedded content]

So did anyone bring along a 6.5 mm Carcano carbine? After all, you would think that they might want to show solidarity with the most famous expression of a persons 2nd amendment right to mail order a rifle ever!

///

36 The War TARDIS  Jul 23, 2014 10:22:59pm

There could be problem in the near-future if Muslims in the US are ignored in regards to Palestine and other issues in the US.

Granted, I do try to recuse myself from this conflict, as I have personal relationships with people who are Palestinian-Americans, and I get fed up by the continued support of Bibi in the US, to the point where so many settlements have been built, so many Palestinians forced from their homes, and so many road Palestinians cannot drive on, or sometimes even cross, that a coherent, autonomous Palestinian state is now impossible.

37 austin_blue  Jul 23, 2014 10:33:19pm

Oy! I’m tref!

38 BadExampleMan  Jul 23, 2014 10:34:26pm

You gotta love Ted - just in case anyone is in danger of forgetting that the GOP is the party of ignorant racist assholes, you can count on him to pop up with a timely reminder. He’s the gift that keeps on giving - like syphilis.

Mad Photoshop skillz, I has them.

39 ausador  Jul 23, 2014 10:46:32pm

Bwahahahaha…Matt Walsh is just so funny;

I have never in my life encountered a religion as oppressive, cold, and stiff as Progressivism. I’ve never known a faith more eager to burn heretics at the stake. Even a fundamentalist Iranian Muslim would flinch if he came face to face with a western liberal’s rigid dogmatism. I imagine that even a Saudi Arabian Islamic cleric would take one look at how American left wingers react when anyone deviates ever so slightly from their established orthodoxy, and say to himself, “man, these people REALLY need to chill.”

The Cult of Leftism has many tenets, and it demands full compliance with all of them, but nothing in its creed compares to the sanctity of their two great sacraments: child murder and sodomy. You must not question these, but tolerance alone will not be good enough. You must celebrate them, too. You must worship at their altar. You must sing hallelujah at the mention of their names. You must fight for a society where infanticide and gay sex are awarded a protected and privileged position. When a man decides to kill babies for a living, you must call him a ‘health care provider’ and a ‘healer.’ When a man decides to announce to the world that he enjoys sex with other men, you must call him a ‘hero’ and a ‘pioneer.’ You must quite literally give him awards for his courage.

Wait, you don’t suppose he might be serious about this stuff do you? Naw, couldn’t be, nobodies that stupid…

/

40 Jocko's Rocket Ship  Jul 23, 2014 10:51:45pm

Ted literally de-humanizes people. You know who else did that? Every bad person ever. He’s a really bad person.

I’m really shocked that conservatives have adopted this guy instead of distancing themselves from this turd. But there you have the modern conservative movement.

41 Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 23, 2014 10:52:23pm

What makes this hilarious to me is that Idaho isn’t exactly a liberal bastion. If Nugent is having trouble finding a friendly crowd in freaking Idaho he must really be going off the rails.

42 Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 23, 2014 10:54:23pm

OT: For anyone who missed it earlier, I have a poetry blog now.

So far I’m up to seven posts in a little less than 48 hours or roughly triple the average output of Glenn Greenwald. :)

I’m also on twitter as stevethewriter. Planning to become more active there now if I can handle the potential derp-alanche.

43 wheat-dogghazi  Jul 23, 2014 10:57:56pm

re: #41 Eclectic Cyborg

What makes this hilarious to me is that Idaho isn’t exactly a liberal bastion. If Nugent is having trouble finding a friendly crowd in freaking Idaho he must really be going off the rails.

I think the Native Americans caught wind of Nugent’s racism and general RWNJ-ishness. I’m not sure if he’s ever commented on Native Americans, but I’d bet it’s not all that complimentary.

44 sagehen  Jul 24, 2014 12:01:33am

re: #43 wheat-dogghazi

I think the Native Americans caught wind of Nugent’s racism and general RWNJ-ishness. I’m not sure if he’s ever commented on Native Americans, but I’d bet it’s not all that complimentary.

Or maybe the tickets just aren’t selling; he was booked into a not-very-large NJ theater, and weeks after the tickets went on sale there were still more than half left.

45 aagcobb  Jul 24, 2014 12:01:59am

re: #18 teleskiguy

Here’s a wild idea! Let’s abolish the Senate entirely because it inherently is the most un-democratic legislative body in all Democracy!

Except that would leave all power in Congress in the hands of House Republicans safe in their gerrymandered districts. We also need reform to end gerrymandering. My proposal for redistricting is to use computer software to draw the shortest straight lines possible within states to create districts with equal populations without regard to factors like party affiliation or race.

46 Kragar  Jul 24, 2014 12:23:14am

ICYMI

Shameful, just shameful

47 The Dude Abides  Jul 24, 2014 12:23:38am

And no mention that the Nuge used to brag about having sex with 12, 13, 14, and 15-year old groupies, back when it was “cool.”

48 Kragar  Jul 24, 2014 12:34:05am

Who could have guessed that a rich, draft-dodging pedophile who hates women and minorities would become the poster child for the Republican base?

49 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jul 24, 2014 12:38:40am
50 freetoken  Jul 24, 2014 12:57:11am
51 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jul 24, 2014 1:01:35am

aah…the fine, subtle aromas of the FT drip…

52 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jul 24, 2014 1:05:50am

Khodakovsky denies the Reuters interview, says he did not admit anything and can prove it with a recording. In light of this Reuters must provide their taped version.

53 wheat-dogghazi  Jul 24, 2014 1:15:52am

It just got crazy windy here. Big storm moving through.

54 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jul 24, 2014 1:23:37am

re: #52 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

Khodakovsky denies the Reuters interview, says he did not admit anything and can prove it with a recording. In light of this Reuters must provide their taped version.

That is fair. Who you gonna trust? A lame, liberal MSM news organization or a true-blooded Putin-supported patriot?

55 BadExampleMan  Jul 24, 2014 1:41:48am

re: #46 Kragar

It’s RWNJ Mad-libs: Obama [verb], Conservatives go nuts.

56 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jul 24, 2014 1:52:22am

re: #55 BadExampleMan

It’s RWNJ Mad-libs: Obama [verb], Conservatives go nuts.

It can also be “Obama [fails to] verb”, response is similar

57 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jul 24, 2014 1:54:44am

re: #54 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

That is fair. Who you gonna trust? A lame, liberal MSM news organization or a true-blooded Putin-supported patriot?

We don’t have to trust anyone. If Reuters can prove that he said anything like this, let them do it. The ball is in their court.

58 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jul 24, 2014 2:01:01am

re: #57 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

We don’t have to trust anyone. If Reuters can prove that he said anything like this, let them do it. The ball is in their court.

Seems that Kodachromsky is being disparaged by the pro-Putin blogoshphere as a “Benedict Arnold of the Separatists”, so even if he denies it, you still can’t trust him…fer Fuck’s sake.

59 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jul 24, 2014 2:09:44am

re: #58 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

They’ve been disparaging him already for weeks. This doesn’t change the simple fact that a published interview (i.e. without a corresponding audio recording) can be trusted only as long as the source doesn’t deny it. In all cases. Once such a claim is made, the interviewer is obligated to prove that he did, indeed, publish the correct information. That’s the only way such a “trust system” can work - trust, but verify if necessary.

As things stand, the interview published by Reuters is worthless.

60 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jul 24, 2014 2:27:14am

Quite independently from the obvious principle, stated above, there is also the following:

1. It is prima facie improbable that someone like Khodakovsky would simply admit this.

2. The interview is self-contradictory. Allegedly Khodakovsky shares details about the Buk, but then we read at the end of the article:

“What resources our partners have, we cannot be entirely certain. Was there (a BUK)? Wasn’t there? If there was proof that there was, then there can be no question.”

Wait, but hasn’t he allegedly shared the details about the Buk just now? And now he claims not to know anything?

Now, these two points wouldn’t matter if Kh. confirmed that everything published by Reuters was what he indeed told the journalists. A prima facie probability cannot be used to deny “brute fact” evidence, and people can, in principle, contradict themselves.

But now Kh. claims that his words were distorted and that he was simply going through various versions without admitting anything. In light of his denial, these two points also gain weight (because we no longer have a “brute fact” of a confession, only various probabilities we can weigh).

That doesn’t mean that Reuters distorted anything, this only means that the burden of proof is currently on them.

61 Dr Lizardo  Jul 24, 2014 2:49:43am

re: #60 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

It’s Journalism 101: When the subject of an interview says, “I didn’t say that” then it’s up to the journalist who did the interview to show proof that the person being interviewed either did say that and is now claiming otherwise, or they were falsely quoted and an apology is in order.

That stands no matter how nice or detestable the person being interviewed may be.

62 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jul 24, 2014 2:56:37am

re: #61 Dr Lizardo

Yep. I obviously don’t “trust” Khodakovsky (what a strawman), one doesn’t have to trust him to demand Reuters to provide the recordings.

I should note that in an interview given to Kurginyan’s site Kh. refused to assign blame to anyone (which is certainly remarkable), but he was also extremely long-winded when he went through various hypotheticals. He loves to talk. So I wonder if it’s possible that the Reuters guys cherrypicked some things because they lost his train of thought…

63 Dr Lizardo  Jul 24, 2014 3:02:39am

Now this is weird.

Unless I’m totally reading this wrong, first ATC in Burkina Faso lost contact with an Algiers-bound airplane.

Algerian aviation authorities have lost contact with an Air Algerie aircraft en route from Ouagadougou in Burkina Faso to Algiers, about 50 minutes after take-off, the APS state news agency reported on Thursday.

reuters.com

But look at the “Breaking” banner on that site; it says;

Spain’s Swiftair says contact lost with Airbus A320 plane which was expected to land in Algiers; 110 passengers, six crew members on board

Is this two separate planes? Both were scheduled to land in Algiers - and it’s two separate carriers. Possibly a mid-air collision?

64 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jul 24, 2014 3:03:59am

re: #63 Dr Lizardo

Fuck, what is it with planes lately.

65 Dr Lizardo  Jul 24, 2014 3:05:40am

re: #64 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

Fuck, what is it with planes lately.

Yeah, that thought crossed my mind as well. I’ll be taking the damned train or a bus, thank you very much. If I need to do any intercontinental travel, I’ll take a ship.

66 wheat-dogghazi  Jul 24, 2014 3:06:52am

re: #65 Dr Lizardo

Yeah, that thought crossed my mind as well. I’ll be taking the damned train or a bus, thank you very much. If I need to do any intercontinental travel, I’ll take a ship.

Think more positively. I’m flying to the USA in another week.

67 Dr Lizardo  Jul 24, 2014 3:11:23am

Here we go; apparently the Air Algerie flight was being operated by Swiftair as a charter, though that’s not yet confirmed.

Spanish airline Swiftair was said to be operating the flight chartered by Air Algerie, though it is not verified as yet.

ibtimes.co.uk

It seems to have disappeared over Mali.

68 wheat-dogghazi  Jul 24, 2014 3:13:43am

re: #63 Dr Lizardo

It’s the same plane. reuters.com

69 Dr Lizardo  Jul 24, 2014 3:15:05am

re: #68 wheat-dogghazi

It’s the same plane. reuters.com

Yep. The earlier Reuters “Breaking” headline confused me; the way it’s written it seems like two separate aircraft.

70 Targetpractice  Jul 24, 2014 3:28:07am

So, I see the FAA lifted the travel ban on Tel Aviv. Wonder if this means Cruz will take a “victory lap” or insist on the holds on nominees until his latest demand is met?

71 Decatur Deb  Jul 24, 2014 3:45:31am

re: #70 Targetpractice

So, I see the FAA lifted the travel ban on Tel Aviv. Wonder if this means Cruz will take a “victory lap” or insist on the holds on nominees until his latest demand is met?

He can lap anything he likes, but the Notice to Airmen was reported as 24 hours, renewable.

72 Targetpractice  Jul 24, 2014 3:49:21am

re: #71 Decatur Deb

He can lap anything he likes, but the Notice to Airmen was reported as 24 hours, renewable.

True, but he saw a smokescreen for his latest BS and took it. I doubt he’s gonna drop the holds just because the notice was allowed to expired as planned.

73 Dr Lizardo  Jul 24, 2014 3:54:06am

Looks like the Sudanese woman who had been sentenced to death for “apostasy” in Sudan is likely on her way back to the US.

A Sudanese woman who was spared a death sentence for converting from Islam to Christianity and then barred from leaving Sudan, has flown into Rome on an Italian government plane, officials say.

Mariam Yahya Ibrahim Ishaq, 27, whose sentence and detention stirred international outrage, arrived on Thursday at Rome’s Ciampino airport with her family and Lapo Pistelli, Italy’s vice minister for foreign affairs, television pictures showed.

There were no details on what led up to Mariam Ishaq’s departure from Khartoum, and there was no immediate comment from the Sudanese authorities.

Mohaned Mostafa, Mariam Ishaq’s lawyer, said he had not been told of her departure.

“I don’t know anything about such news but so far the complaint that was filed against Mariam and which prevents her from traveling from Sudan has not been cancelled,” Mostafa told Reuters.

aljazeera.com

Sounds almost like the US and the Italians cooperated to more-or-less smuggle her out of the country - even her lawyer didn’t know she was gone.

Kudos; I’m glad she’s out of there and on her way to the United States where she can hopefully have a normal life once the media furor dies down.

74 Decatur Deb  Jul 24, 2014 4:07:06am

re: #73 Dr Lizardo

Looks like the Sudanese woman who had been sentenced to death for “apostasy” in Sudan is likely on her way back to the US.

aljazeera.com

Sounds almost like the US and the Italians cooperated to more-or-less smuggle her out of the country - even her lawyer didn’t know she was gone.

Kudos; I’m glad she’s out of there and on her way to the United States where she can hopefully have a normal life once the media furor dies down.

As long as she stays out of Murietta and Oracle.

75 Dr Lizardo  Jul 24, 2014 4:18:15am

re: #74 Decatur Deb

As long as she stays out of Murietta and Oracle.

Heh. Sad but true.

What stood out in that Al Jazeera story is that even her own attorney didn’t know she’d left. Sounds like a classic extraction operation. I’m sure Glenn Greenwald and the Dudebros will be denouncing this as an example of “US interference in the internal affairs of another country” or some such BS.

Well…..fuck them. They can go straight to hell.

76 William Barnett-Lewis  Jul 24, 2014 4:21:37am

re: #73 Dr Lizardo

Dare I say “Thank Allah”?

77 Dr Lizardo  Jul 24, 2014 4:24:55am

re: #76 William Barnett-Lewis

Dare I say “Thank Allah”?

Heh. Correctly, alhamdulillah, or “Praise be to God.”

78 Decatur Deb  Jul 24, 2014 4:28:13am

re: #75 Dr Lizardo

Heh. Sad but true.

What stood out in that Al Jazeera story is that even her own attorney didn’t know she’d left. Sounds like a classic extraction operation. I’m sure Glenn Greenwald and the Dudebros will be denouncing this as an example of “US interference in the internal affairs of another country” or some such BS.

Well…..fuck them. They can go straight to hell.

The NSA has the Khartoum telephone book !!!

79 Timothy Watson  Jul 24, 2014 4:30:24am

re: #13 teleskiguy

I hate to cite known asshole @billmaher. Thing is he suggested more than a few times on his HBO show that the Senate should be represented proportional to the state’s population. Maher’s idea is pretty simple: three Senate seats for your New Yorks and Californias and Texases (mind the spelling, it an internet comment) and one senate seat for your Wyomings and Alaskas.

That involves amending the Constitution. So it’s a pipe dream.

*COUGH cough COUGH cough COUGH*

Every state would have to agree to the amendment because, in addition to the normal difficulties of a ratifying the amendment, because of this section of Article V the Constitution:

[…] no State, without its Consent, shall be deprived of its equal Suffrage in the Senate.

80 William Barnett-Lewis  Jul 24, 2014 4:34:46am

re: #77 Dr Lizardo

Heh. Correctly, alhamdulillah, or “Praise be to God.”

Ah- excellent. Good to know that.

81 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Jul 24, 2014 4:34:47am

re: #71 Decatur Deb

He can lap anything he likes, but the Notice to Airmen was reported as 24 hours, renewable.

Delta and a few other airlines also cancelled flights there before the FAA ban.

82 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 24, 2014 4:35:04am

re: #63 Dr Lizardo

Now this is weird.

Unless I’m totally reading this wrong, first ATC in Burkina Faso lost contact with an Algiers-bound airplane.

reuters.com

But look at the “Breaking” banner on that site; it says;

Is this two separate planes? Both were scheduled to land in Algiers - and it’s two separate carriers. Possibly a mid-air collision?

It’s one plane—operated by Air Algeria but leased from a Spanish carrier.

83 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 24, 2014 4:36:23am

I looked at my time line from overnight and some Matt Barber fan is insisting that “Sodomy” is Teh Ghey sexytimes, not cruelty to the poor & homeless as I claimed.

84 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 24, 2014 4:36:39am
85 wheat-dogghazi  Jul 24, 2014 4:44:20am

re: #83 Pie-onist Overlord

I looked at my time line from overnight and some Matt Barber fan is insisting that “Sodomy” is Teh Ghey sexytimes, not cruelty to the poor & homeless as I claimed.

They’re reading the Conserva-Bible, not the actual one.

86 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 24, 2014 4:45:49am

IOW: “I get to pick & choose”

87 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jul 24, 2014 4:47:20am

re: #61 Dr Lizardo

It’s Journalism 101: When the subject of an interview says, “I didn’t say that” then it’s up to the journalist who did the interview to show proof that the person being interviewed either did say that and is now claiming otherwise, or they were falsely quoted and an apology is in order.

That stands no matter how nice or detestable the person being interviewed may be.

And they came through. Here is a short excerpt with the key part, which, to me, confirms the whole exchange:

rferl.org

Thanks, Reuters - that’s good journalism.

88 Romantic Heretic  Jul 24, 2014 4:49:27am

re: #20 sagehen

We already have a House that works that way.

This was by design — that 1/2 of congress is by population, and the other very deliberately isn’t. Because the people who wrote the Constitution wanted sparsely populated states to have disproportionate strength to not let the cities have their way without having to also satisfy the agricultural and wilderness zones.

Which would work except for the fact that too many of the people in Congress hate democracy with a burning passion and will do anything to bring it to an end.

When people who hate something are in charge of it, that something is doomed.

89 wheat-dogghazi  Jul 24, 2014 4:49:50am

re: #86 Pie-onist Overlord

The NT was not a rewrite of the OT, in the sense she means. The Christians reinterpreted the OT as a “prequel” to Jesus’ arrival, but they didn’t rewrite all the stories in the OT.

90 Dr Lizardo  Jul 24, 2014 4:50:54am

re: #85 wheat-dogghazi

They’re reading the Conserva-Bible, not the actual one.

Is that the one that says,

Blessed are:

….the rich: for theirs is the kingdom of Heaven. (5:3)
….those who piss on others: for they will be gladdened. (5:4)
….the arrogant: for they will inherit the earth. (5:5)
….those who are seek revenge for the sake of self-righteousness: for their hearts will be satiated in the suffering of others. (5:6)
….the cruel: for their cruelty makes me happy. (5:7)
….the heartless: for they will see God. (5:8)
….the war-mongers: for they will be called children of God. (5:9)
….those who incessantly whine about being persecuted: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. (5:10)

-ConservaBible, the Beatitudes.

91 wheat-dogghazi  Jul 24, 2014 4:53:52am

re: #89 wheat-dogghazi

No, I didn’t say that correctly. The early Christians did not rewrite the stories. Later ones did, such as the Sodom and Gomorrah story referenced. The sin changed from being cruel to the homeless and the poor, the widows and orphans, to having gay sex. I would suppose that, in the BC era, being nasty to the unfortunate was a far bigger crime than two guys having sex.

92 Dr Lizardo  Jul 24, 2014 4:54:51am

re: #87 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

Yes, indeed. And good on Reuters for that as well.

93 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jul 24, 2014 4:55:38am

re: #86 Pie-onist Overlord

IOW: “I get to pick & choose”

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In the mainstream Christianity the OT is not operative, except for the parts confirmed by the NT. They will still quote the OT, like the 10 commandments, but will then say that all the parts they quote can also be found in the NT in some form. It’s not so much pick and choose (tho that happens a lot too) as simply different rules for a different religion.

94 wheat-dogghazi  Jul 24, 2014 4:56:34am

Photos of flight MH17 showing clear signs of shrapnel damage. news.yahoo.com

95 Romantic Heretic  Jul 24, 2014 4:56:43am

re: #46 Kragar

ICYMI

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Shameful, just shameful

I just did a little research that showed how ridiculous that claim is. Of the last ten commanders of USPACOM four were not pilots.

But Obummer! and slut! is a perfect detonator for wingnut rage.

96 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 24, 2014 4:58:35am

They believe the poor & homeless are being cruel to THEM.

97 Targetpractice  Jul 24, 2014 5:00:48am

re: #96 Pie-onist Overlord

They believe the poor & homeless are being cruel to THEM.

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Because, as we all know, you can’t work full time and be on welfare. It’s just impossible.

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98 wheat-dogghazi  Jul 24, 2014 5:03:45am

re: #96 Pie-onist Overlord

Clueless, as always. If welfare is such hotshit, why not quit your job, sell your house and car, clean out out your bank accounts, and go on welfare? Live a life of luxury!!

99 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jul 24, 2014 5:04:05am

re: #91 wheat-dogghazi

Actually, the author of the story in Genesis did not specify what the sin was. All later interpretations are just that. “Being cruel” is also a rewrite, or, more precisely, a later addition.

100 wheat-dogghazi  Jul 24, 2014 5:05:24am

re: #99 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

Actually, the author of the story in Genesis did not specify what the sin was. All later interpretations are just that. “Being cruel” is also a rewrite, or, more precisely, a later addition.

Oh, it’s like a Rorschach test. Look at this inkblot. What sin does it make you think of?

101 Targetpractice  Jul 24, 2014 5:05:56am

re: #98 wheat-dogghazi

Clueless, as always. If welfare is such hotshit, why not quit your job, sell your house and car, clean out out your bank accounts, and go on welfare? Live a life of luxury!!

I’ve asked that question time and again of wingnuts, that if welfare is such a great life, why do people bust their asses? I usually get some variation of the “dignity of work” BS.

102 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Jul 24, 2014 5:06:07am

re: #100 wheat-dogghazi

Oh, it’s like a Rorschach test. Look at this inkblot. What sin does it make you think of?

Gay sex, of course, like all other inkblots. That’s why gayness must be outlawed.

It all makes sense.

103 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jul 24, 2014 5:07:35am

re: #100 wheat-dogghazi

Exactly. Basically, the sin was them being assholes. In what way is not specified. Maybe too many orgies and rapes, maybe being cruel to strangers, maybe everything at once. The gay sex thing though is surely the most unnatural explanation of the story.

104 wheat-dogghazi  Jul 24, 2014 5:08:01am

re: #102 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

Gay sex, of course, like all other inkblots. That’s why gayness must be outlawed.

It all makes sense.

Bryan Fischer and Todd Starnes would see gayness in every inkblot, I’m sure.

Fischer might sometimes see bears, though.

105 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jul 24, 2014 5:08:55am

re: #104 wheat-dogghazi

Bryan Fischer and Todd Starnes would see gayness in every inkblot, I’m sure.

Fischer might sometimes see bears, though.

gay bears having sex

106 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 24, 2014 5:10:01am

re: #101 Targetpractice

I’ve asked that question time and again of wingnuts, that if welfare is such a great life, why do people bust their asses? I usually get some variation of the “dignity of work” BS.

Also who are these people they keep talking about, the ones who allegedly work 70 hrs/week and yet make less money than a person on welfare?

If they mean “self employed small business owners” then those “business owners” really suck at business.

107 wheat-dogghazi  Jul 24, 2014 5:13:37am

re: #106 Pie-onist Overlord

Welfare payments are by design less than what someone would make working a minimum wage job 40 hrs a week.

108 Targetpractice  Jul 24, 2014 5:14:06am

re: #106 Pie-onist Overlord

Also who are these people they keep talking about, the ones who allegedly work 70 hrs/week and yet make less money than a person on welfare?

If they mean “self employed small business owners” then those “business owners” really suck at business.

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Class warfare at its finest. It’s something that the rich have gotten adept at, namely convincing the middle class and those who aspire to be in the middle class that the “poor” are the ones holding them down, not the rich fucker at the top whose annual salary is 300% of theirs.

109 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 24, 2014 5:14:23am

re: #107 wheat-dogghazi

Welfare payments are by design less than what someone would make working a minimum wage job 40 hrs a week.

Except that there are minimum wage workers who are on welfare.

110 wheat-dogghazi  Jul 24, 2014 5:15:18am

re: #109 Pie-onist Overlord

Except that there are minimum wage workers who are on welfare.

Oh, no doubt of that. I know workers who qualify for WIC and AFDC.

111 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 24, 2014 5:16:01am

re: #108 Targetpractice

Class warfare at its finest. It’s something that the rich have gotten adept at, namely convincing the middle class and those who aspire to be in the middle class that the “poor” are the ones holding them down, not the rich fucker at the top whose annual salary is 300% of theirs.

TCOT has their Koch talking points down:

If a poor person criticizes wealth inequality, it’s HURR HURR UR JEALOUS OF SUCCESS!!!!!

If a rich person points out wealth inequality it’s HURR HURR U HYPOCRITE GIVE AWAY ALL UR STUFF TO TEH POORS!!!!!!

112 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Jul 24, 2014 5:16:43am

re: #106 Pie-onist Overlord

Also who are these people they keep talking about, the ones who allegedly work 70 hrs/week and yet make less money than a person on welfare?

If they mean “self employed small business owners” then those “business owners” really suck at business.

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Also: The liberal solution to the problem is to make rich people pay more. This is fought against by the GOP. So this is, if you follow the logic, a pro-labor, pro-Democratic statement.

113 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 24, 2014 5:18:05am

re: #112 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

Also: The liberal solution to the problem is to make rich people pay more. This is fought against by the GOP. So this is, if you follow the logic, a pro-labor, pro-Democratic statement.

The teaparty solution is to make poor people pay more. Abolish the IRS and replace it with a 30% sales tax. WHAT COULD GO WRONG????

114 Franklin Brewsevelt  Jul 24, 2014 5:18:54am

re: #108 Targetpractice

Class warfare at its finest. It’s something that the rich have gotten adept at, namely convincing the middle class and those who aspire to be in the middle class that the “poor” are the ones holding them down, not the rich fucker at the top whose annual salary is 300% of theirs.

And it points to the regressiveness of taxation.

115 wheat-dogghazi  Jul 24, 2014 5:19:20am

re: #113 Pie-onist Overlord

The teaparty solution is to make poor people pay more. Abolish the IRS and replace it with a 30% sales tax. WHAT COULD GO WRONG????

Any good economist could tell them, if they were willing to listen.

116 NJDhockeyfan  Jul 24, 2014 5:19:24am
117 Targetpractice  Jul 24, 2014 5:20:27am

re: #113 Pie-onist Overlord

The teaparty solution is to make poor people pay more. Abolish the IRS and replace it with a 30% sales tax. WHAT COULD GO WRONG????

This solution is known in the GOP as “broadening the tax base,” as in making it more apparent that the tax code is a pyramid scheme with the rich at the very top. Or “skin in the game,” which is another way of saying they want to go back to the days where the only people with a say in government were the rich.

118 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 24, 2014 5:24:25am

re: #117 Targetpractice

This solution is known in the GOP as “broadening the tax base,” as in making it more apparent that the tax code is a pyramid scheme with the rich at the very top. Or “skin in the game,” which is another way of saying they want to go back to the days where the only people with a say in government were the rich.

I have actually had conversations with wingnuts who used these very buzzwords, also they want to go back to “the founding fathers” who only allowed (white, male) property owners to vote.

119 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 24, 2014 5:25:00am

They keep repeating the Mitt Romney Derp that “47% of the people PAY NO TAXES”

120 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 24, 2014 5:26:04am
121 Targetpractice  Jul 24, 2014 5:30:25am

re: #118 Pie-onist Overlord

I have actually had conversations with wingnuts who used these very buzzwords, also they want to go back to “the founding fathers” who only allowed (white, male) property owners to vote.

Of course, because they believe that as a uniform block, rich white males will support only the things that they support. And those that don’t, the Buffets and Gates’ of America, will be drowned out by the Kochs and the Waltons who will gleefully support further fleecing the poor to sate their own appetites.

122 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 24, 2014 5:30:44am
123 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jul 24, 2014 5:31:26am

re: #119 Pie-onist Overlord

They keep repeating the Mitt Romney Derp that “47% of the people PAY NO TAXES”

They pay no federal income taxes, which is not the same thing as “no taxes at all”

124 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 24, 2014 5:32:28am

ISIS is trying to put on a performance of the musical “Book of Mormon”

Shortly after Price’s attempt to dazzle the villagers, General Butt-Fucking-Naked arrives and announces his demand for the circumcision of all female villagers by week’s end (as his paranoia has led him to believe that all of the clitorises in the village will “power up” and destroy him).

125 Dr Lizardo  Jul 24, 2014 5:33:59am

re: #122 Pie-onist Overlord

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ISIS is fucking deranged. The sooner they’re wiped out to the last man, the better.

126 William Barnett-Lewis  Jul 24, 2014 5:34:20am

re: #86 Pie-onist Overlord

IOW: “I get to pick & choose”

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She could do with a reminder that Paul said that if you keep them, you must keep all of them. And that Jesus said (Matthew 5:18) “For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled.”

127 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jul 24, 2014 5:36:02am

re: #126 William Barnett-Lewis

She could do with a reminder that Paul said that if you keep them, you must keep all of them. And that Jesus said (Matthew 5:18) “For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled.”

ooh, jots and tittles!

128 Franklin Brewsevelt  Jul 24, 2014 5:37:05am
129 ObserverArt  Jul 24, 2014 5:37:16am

re: #119 Pie-onist Overlord

They keep repeating the Mitt Romney Derp that “47% of the people PAY NO TAXES”

Morning!

There might be an easy way to shoot down that stupid Romney derpage.

Ask them to look around at all the folks they know personally and figure out how many of those folks pay no taxes.

If 47% of people do not pay taxes, would not everyone know at least a couple of people that do not pay taxes. 47% is almost half America. That kind of stat should touch a whole hell of a lot of people.

Maybe some of the resident statistic freaks could confirm that for me.

130 NJDhockeyfan  Jul 24, 2014 5:38:32am
131 HappyWarrior  Jul 24, 2014 5:43:40am

re: #129 ObserverArt

Morning!

There might be an easy way to shoot down that stupid Romney derpage.

Ask them to look around at all the folks they know personally and figure out how many of those folks pay no taxes.

If 47% of people do not pay taxes, would not everyone know at least a couple of people that do not pay taxes. 47% is almost half America. That kind of stat should touch a whole hell of a lot of people.

Maybe some of the resident statistic freaks could confirm that for me.

That’s actually a really good point. If such a high percentage of people don’t pay taxes as that moron Romney claimed than perhaps they should talk to people they know. Fact of the matter is everyone pays some kind of tax.

132 William Barnett-Lewis  Jul 24, 2014 5:45:49am

re: #109 Pie-onist Overlord

Except that there are minimum wage workers who are on welfare.

I work full time at more than minimum ($.50 an hour over) and qualify of food stamps. Thanks to Governor Koch-Puppet, though, I don’t qualify for Badgercare and we had to play games to get me to qualify for a subsidy at the marketplace.

133 William Barnett-Lewis  Jul 24, 2014 5:49:00am

re: #127 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

ooh, jots and tittles!

Yep. Meaning that not any letter of the hebrew script or the vowel markings would be taken away. Hence, the Law remains in full force to the believers according to Matthew’s very Jewish Jesus.

134 ObserverArt  Jul 24, 2014 5:49:26am

re: #132 William Barnett-Lewis

I work full time at more than minimum ($.50 an hour over) and qualify of food stamps. Thanks to Governor Koch-Puppet, though, I don’t qualify for Badgercare and we had to play games to get me to qualify for a subsidy at the marketplace.

IT”S ALL MARY BURKE’S FAULT!!!

/

135 Decatur Deb  Jul 24, 2014 5:50:23am

re: #131 HappyWarrior

That’s actually a really good point. If such a high percentage of people don’t pay taxes as that moron Romney claimed than perhaps they should talk to people they know. Fact of the matter is everyone pays some kind of tax.

Nope. The people that good people know all pay taxes. The non-paying freeriders are almost entirely Them.

136 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 24, 2014 5:51:26am

re: #132 William Barnett-Lewis

I work full time at more than minimum ($.50 an hour over) and qualify of food stamps. Thanks to Governor Koch-Puppet, though, I don’t qualify for Badgercare and we had to play games to get me to qualify for a subsidy at the marketplace.

HURR HURR GET SUM SKILLS U LAZY MOOCHER!!!!!!

137 NJDhockeyfan  Jul 24, 2014 5:51:46am
138 HappyWarrior  Jul 24, 2014 5:52:09am

re: #136 Pie-onist Overlord

HURR HURR GET SUM SKILLS U LAZY MOOCHER!!!!!!
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And that infographic shows why they failed sixth grade economics.

139 Decatur Deb  Jul 24, 2014 5:52:28am

re: #133 William Barnett-Lewis

Yep. Meaning that not any letter of the hebrew script or the vowel markings would be taken away. Hence, the Law remains in full force to the believers according to Matthew’s very Jewish Jesus.

You’ll get my secret-mopped ribs from my burned, greasy hands.

140 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jul 24, 2014 5:52:41am

re: #133 William Barnett-Lewis

Yep. Meaning that not any letter of the hebrew script or the vowel markings would be taken away. Hence, the Law remains in full force to the believers according to Matthew’s very Jewish Jesus.

Historically this is so (the author of Matthew was writing with a “pro-Jewish” agenda, contrary to, say, the author of Mark), but this is pretty easy to sidestep - “everything has been fulfilled by Jesus’ sacrifice”, etc.

141 Decatur Deb  Jul 24, 2014 5:53:11am

re: #137 NJDhockeyfan

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That’s as stupid as the ‘sex jihad’.

142 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 24, 2014 5:53:32am

re: #137 NJDhockeyfan

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That’s stupid.

143 HappyWarrior  Jul 24, 2014 5:53:43am

re: #135 Decatur Deb

Nope. The people that good people know all pay taxes. They non-paying freeriders are almost entirely Them.

True that.

144 William Barnett-Lewis  Jul 24, 2014 5:53:47am

Hey, Sergi? Question for you - I have a friend who needs to know the proper Russian (preferably in cryllic) for the phrase “From Russia with Love”. Not sure why he wants it but I thought I’d ask for him.

145 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jul 24, 2014 5:54:24am

re: #144 William Barnett-Lewis

Из России с любовью.

146 Timothy Watson  Jul 24, 2014 5:54:44am

re: #137 NJDhockeyfan

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And one wonders why the Israeli military has problems with sexual harassment/assault and rape comparable, if not worse, than the United States military.

147 William Barnett-Lewis  Jul 24, 2014 5:55:01am

re: #140 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

Historically this is so (the author of Matthew was writing with a “pro-Jewish” agenda, contrary to, say, the author of Mark), but this is pretty easy to sidestep - “everything has been fulfilled by Jesus’ sacrifice”, etc.

Then you ask if that includes all the “prophecy” of Revelations as well… ;)

148 Lidane  Jul 24, 2014 5:55:16am

Morning, y’all! Have some warm fuzzies from Texas:

Tea Party town hall erupts as Texas state Rep urges ‘compassion’ for migrant kids

After Simpson’s slide show of the faces of some of the border children, Longview resident Terri Hill said, “I believe your constituents should come first when you talk about people who are impacted. You are to represent us, and we have children. These [migrant children] are people that are coming in with leprosy, tuberculosis, polio.”

Another resident, Ben Denson, expressed fear that the children could be disease-carriers.

“I’ve got four kids and a fifth one on the way,” Denson said. “These [Central American] kids have scabies and influenza, viral pneumonia, leprosy. These kids are going to be part of the school system…They are bleeding Texas [Democrat] blue.”

Other residents fear that the children are already criminals in their hearts.

“We need our borders protected. We need a lot of things, but what we don’t need is more people at the trough,” said Thomas Rolland to Simpson. “These people are not coming in with a good, Christian heart. Most of them are criminals, anyway.”

Gotta love that compassionate conservatism.

149 wheat-dogghazi  Jul 24, 2014 5:55:29am

re: #129 ObserverArt

Morning!

There might be an easy way to shoot down that stupid Romney derpage.

Ask them to look around at all the folks they know personally and figure out how many of those folks pay no taxes.

If 47% of people do not pay taxes, would not everyone know at least a couple of people that do not pay taxes. 47% is almost half America. That kind of stat should touch a whole hell of a lot of people.

Maybe some of the resident statistic freaks could confirm that for me.

You could try using this as an analogy. It’s the birthday problem. For a given number n of people in a room, what’s the probability that two of them share the same birthday? en.wikipedia.org

n p(n)
5 2.7%
10 11.7%
20 41.1%
23 50.7%
30 70.6%
40 89.1%
50 97.0%
60 99.4%
70 99.9%
100 99.99997%
200 99.9999999999999999999999999998%

Any number above 70 almost guarantees two will share the same birthday out of 365 possibilities.

Handwaving argument follows, since I am not a statistician.

In a similar way, if the distribution of taxpayers is random, then within any person’s circle of friends, family, co-workers, etc., there should be at least one person who pays no taxes. In fact, the number should be more than one.

150 William Barnett-Lewis  Jul 24, 2014 5:56:11am

re: #145 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

Из России с любовью.

Thank you!

151 HappyWarrior  Jul 24, 2014 5:57:00am

re: #148 Lidane

Morning, y’all! Have some warm fuzzies from Texas:

Tea Party town hall erupts as Texas state Rep urges ‘compassion’ for migrant kids

Gotta love that compassionate conservatism.

And then when those immigrants and their descendants inevitably vote Democratic in large numbers due to people like Mr. Rolland, they’ll just cry that they’re voting Democratic because of “free stuff” not you know the hostility and bigotry directed at them by right wing pricks like himself. Really fuck these people. They make me almost embarrassed to be an American.

152 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jul 24, 2014 5:58:17am

re: #147 William Barnett-Lewis

This can also be dealt with, I’ve had such a convo with someone here a coupla years back. Sure, it’s just an exercise in useless apologetics, which has nothing to do with the original intent of the respective ancient authors, but it can be done :)

153 Feline Fearless Leader  Jul 24, 2014 5:59:02am

re: #149 wheat-dogghazi

You could try using this as an analogy. It’s the birthday problem. For a given number n of people in a room, what’s the probability that two of them share the same birthday? en.wikipedia.org

n p(n)
5 2.7%
10 11.7%
20 41.1%
23 50.7%
30 70.6%
40 89.1%
50 97.0%
60 99.4%
70 99.9%
100 99.99997%
200 99.9999999999999999999999999998%

Any number above 70 almost guarantees two will share the same birthday out of 365 possibilities.

Handwaving argument follows, since I am not a statistician.

In a similar way, if the distribution of taxpayers is random, then within any person’s circle of friends, family, co-workers, etc., there should be at least one person who pays no taxes. In fact, the number should be more than one.

True. But the fact is that one’s circle of friends and acquaintances is generally not a random distribution of taxpayers.

154 Decatur Deb  Jul 24, 2014 6:00:02am

re: #153 Feline Fearless Leader

True. But the fact is that one’s circle of friends and acquaintances is generally not a random distribution of taxpayers.

Nope. They live across the tracks, where they belong.

155 Targetpractice  Jul 24, 2014 6:00:28am

re: #148 Lidane

Morning, y’all! Have some warm fuzzies from Texas:

Tea Party town hall erupts as Texas state Rep urges ‘compassion’ for migrant kids

Gotta love that compassionate conservatism.

And as good Christians, they will follow the teachings of Free Market Jesus, who tells them that the way to deal with poor and needy folks is to slam the door in their face and begrudge them any bit of charity they receive.

156 William Barnett-Lewis  Jul 24, 2014 6:01:25am

re: #152 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

This can also be dealt with, I’ve had such a convo with someone here a coupla years back. Sure, it’s just an exercise in useless apologetics, which has nothing to do with the original intent of the respective ancient authors, but it can be done :)

Agreed. I just enjoy tweaking their noses. Many times (around here at least) the fundies have never had to actually defend their ideas at all, much less from someone who dares call themselves Christian _and_ Leftist. On rare occasion, much like the VB’s fake quote correction “thank you’s”, a bit of learning can be accomplished.

157 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 24, 2014 6:01:55am
158 Decatur Deb  Jul 24, 2014 6:02:02am

re: #155 Targetpractice

And as good Christians, they will follow the teachings of Free Market Jesus, who tells them that the way to deal with poor and needy folks is to slam the door in their face and begrudge them any bit of charity they receive.

They paid thousands to cross the border. We’re giving them a return ticket for free.

159 wheat-dogghazi  Jul 24, 2014 6:02:26am

re: #148 Lidane

First of all, none of those are that sick, and if they were, they would not be released into the general population.

Second, their stay in any community is short-term, as most will be placed in foster care or with family members.

Third, schools cannot by law accept them without proof they have all their immunizations and are in good health.

Fourth, these kids are Catholic (which I admit is the same as criminal to some people) and they’re mostly in elementary and junior high. What kind of hardened criminals are these yokels expecting?

Idiots, who should be ashamed when they go to church and ask the Lord to bless them.

160 Timothy Watson  Jul 24, 2014 6:03:14am
161 wheat-dogghazi  Jul 24, 2014 6:04:11am

re: #153 Feline Fearless Leader

True, but 47% is nearly half the population. That’s a lot of people. They can’t all live in same place.

162 Decatur Deb  Jul 24, 2014 6:05:49am

re: #161 wheat-dogghazi

True, but 47% is nearly half the population. That’s a lot of people. They can’t all live in same place.

If you count the RW hive-mind as one place…

163 wheat-dogghazi  Jul 24, 2014 6:06:32am

re: #162 Decatur Deb

It’s a very small place, surrounded by high walls and electric fences.

164 Decatur Deb  Jul 24, 2014 6:07:41am

re: #163 wheat-dogghazi

It’s a very small place, surrounded by high walls and electric fences.

And an anti-rationality dome.

165 HappyWarrior  Jul 24, 2014 6:07:54am

I have no doubt that the bigots complaining about these children would have been on the frontline of trying to deny refugees from Germany in the early 30’s safe entry. No doubt whatsoever.

166 Decatur Deb  Jul 24, 2014 6:08:47am

re: #165 HappyWarrior

I have no doubt that the bigots complaining about these children would have been on the frontline of trying to deny refugees from Germany in the early 30’s safe entry. No doubt whatsoever.

These assholes, in the 30’s, were busy keeping Oklahomans out of California.

167 wheat-dogghazi  Jul 24, 2014 6:10:56am

Here’s another tack on the 47% issue. Tell a doubter to ask every single person they meet if they paid federal income taxes last year. Everyone, from their gardener to their preacher to a random person on the street. If truly 47% of the population does not pay income taxes, then the doubter should turn up at least 4 people out of every 10 who didn’t pay taxes.

168 Feline Fearless Leader  Jul 24, 2014 6:10:59am

re: #155 Targetpractice

And as good Christians, they will follow the teachings of Free Market Jesus, who tells them that the way to deal with poor and needy folks is to slam the door in their face and begrudge them any bit of charity they receive.

Until they need the pool cleaned, the yard raked, or some produce cheaply picked?

169 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jul 24, 2014 6:12:25am

re: #148 Lidane

Morning, y’all! Have some warm fuzzies from Texas:

Tea Party town hall erupts as Texas state Rep urges ‘compassion’ for migrant kids

Gotta love that compassionate conservatism.

This is the problem: nobody in the GOP the had the urge to confront the TP people or at least distance themselves from them when they really started getting ugly and vocal around 2008.

Now it is too late, they control and dominate the political discussion.

170 Mattand  Jul 24, 2014 6:12:38am

Explain to me again how someone who calls a female politician a worthless bitch, and says she can suck on the barrel of his gun, is someone who sends out positive energy?

171 Decatur Deb  Jul 24, 2014 6:12:41am

re: #167 wheat-dogghazi

Here’s another tack on the 47% issue. Tell a doubter to ask every single person they meet if they paid federal income taxes last year. Everyone, from their gardener to their preacher to a random person on the street. If truly 47% of the population does not pay income taxes, then the doubter should turn up at least 4 people out of every 10 who didn’t pay taxes.

You are presupposing a rational discussion. Stop it.

172 wheat-dogghazi  Jul 24, 2014 6:13:53am

re: #165 HappyWarrior

I have no doubt that the bigots complaining about these children would have been on the frontline of trying to deny refugees from Germany in the early 30’s safe entry. No doubt whatsoever.

It’s not OUR problem! Let their own people deal with them!

Varian’s War was a pretty good TV movie exploration of the attitudes back then in America.

173 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jul 24, 2014 6:13:55am

re: #170 Mattand

Explain to me again how someone who calls a female politician a worthless bitch, and says she can suck on the barrel of his gun, is someone who sends out positive energy?

Just to correct you, it is Obama who can suck on the barrel of his gun, Hillary was invited to ride it into the sunset…

174 Decatur Deb  Jul 24, 2014 6:14:17am

re: #169 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

This is the problem: nobody in the GOP the had the urge to confront the TP people or at least distance themselves from them when they really started getting ugly and vocal around 2008.

Now it is too late, they control and dominate the political discussion.

They could have strangled the TP movement in its crib. Instead they thought it was cute, even when it shit its Pampers. Now they can live with it.

175 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jul 24, 2014 6:14:34am

176 Mattand  Jul 24, 2014 6:15:01am

re: #169 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

This is the problem: nobody in the GOP the had the urge to confront the TP people or at least distance themselves from them when they really started getting ugly and vocal around 2008.

Now it is too late, they control and dominate the political discussion.

One of the resident conservatives here is a prime example of that. IIRC, he pretty much was like “I have to vote GOP because it’s a family tradition.”

At this point, I’m real close to ceasing referring to them as ‘Republicans’ and just calling them the Tea Baggers.

177 Targetpractice  Jul 24, 2014 6:15:35am

re: #168 Feline Fearless Leader

Until they need the pool cleaned, the yard raked, or some produce cheaply picked?

That’s just it, they want more of those people around, but only so long as its made clear up front that they’re never going to be citizens and that they should keep to themselves. The crux of all the screaming fits over the present crisis is that those coming in are children who might have a chance at citizenship, who might make something of themselves, and that’s anathema to the idea that the only use for immigrants from Central and South America is as cheap labor.

178 Feline Fearless Leader  Jul 24, 2014 6:15:37am

re: #167 wheat-dogghazi

Here’s another tack on the 47% issue. Tell a doubter to ask every single person they meet if they paid federal income taxes last year. Everyone, from their gardener to their preacher to a random person on the street. If truly 47% of the population does not pay income taxes, then the doubter should turn up at least 4 people out of every 10 who didn’t pay taxes.

Heh. That would be a good one for the nuts who stand near the mall every weekend holding signs. “Honk if you don’t pay Federal taxes”

(It was sort of interesting watching the signs change over the years. Mix of typical anti-tax and anti-abortion stuff. Went Ron Paul and also massively anti-Obama in 2008. Never let up on the latter, and has crept over into NRA/Don’t Tread on Me stuff.)

179 Mattand  Jul 24, 2014 6:15:43am

re: #173 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Just to correct you, it is Obama who can suck on the barrel of his gun, Hillary was invited to ride it into the sunset…

LOL, I can never properly remember hateful conservative ranting.

180 Lidane  Jul 24, 2014 6:16:42am

Speaking of compassionate conservatism:

Jan Brewer: Inmate In Botched Execution ‘Did Not Suffer’

Yet Brewer released a statement saying that Wood was executed in a lawful manner and “by eyewitness and medical accounts he did not suffer.”

“This is in stark comparison to the gruesome, vicious suffering that he inflicted on his two victims, and the lifetime of suffering he has caused their family,” she added.

181 HappyWarrior  Jul 24, 2014 6:16:59am

Nuge and his bigoted rants are okay but Mitt got outraged, outraged I tell ya when Jay-Z rapped that he had 99 problems but a Mitt wasn’t one.

182 darthstar  Jul 24, 2014 6:17:50am

I breezed through the Intercept’s article. There’s no there there.

183 Feline Fearless Leader  Jul 24, 2014 6:18:09am

re: #172 wheat-dogghazi

It’s not OUR problem! Let their own people deal with them!

Varian’s War was a pretty good TV movie exploration of the attitudes back then in America.

I wrote a short paper on that subject back in college (US and Canada resisting/refusing visas for refugee Jews in the 30s.) You have to recall that the isolationist vibe was very strong in the US in the 30s, and with it ran a lot of anti-immigrant and racist rhetoric.

184 Mattand  Jul 24, 2014 6:18:57am

re: #181 HappyWarrior

Nuge and his bigoted rants are okay but Mitt got outraged, outraged I tell ya when Jay-Z rapped that he had 99 problems but a Mitt wasn’t one.

You know how I’m always saying that Christie is going to go Full Metal Teabag in order to get the GOP POTUS nomination? If you catch him palling around with the Nuge, that’ll pretty much be the signal that the transformation is complete.

185 HappyWarrior  Jul 24, 2014 6:19:10am

re: #183 Feline Fearless Leader

I wrote a short paper on that subject back in college (US and Canada resisting/refusing visas for refugee Jews in the 30s.) You have to recall that the isolationist vibe was very strong in the US in the 30s, and with it ran a lot of anti-immigrant and racist rhetoric.

Anti-Semitic attitudes were unfortunately heavy and many of them held by the ideological and religious ancestors of the same people today who claim to “love” Israel and Jews.

186 wheat-dogghazi  Jul 24, 2014 6:19:20am

re: #180 Lidane

Speaking of compassionate conservatism:

Jan Brewer: Inmate In Botched Execution ‘Did Not Suffer’

There should be a law that requires the governor of a state to witness every execution in person. Not quite Ned Stark with his beheading sword, but close.

187 GunstarGreen  Jul 24, 2014 6:19:45am

re: #24 ausador

Oh goodness me…these people are utterly beyond reason. :(

Abortion protestors outside a California clinic, the quote is from right at the 4:00 mark but some previous comments and actions are almost equally disturbing.

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1. 95% sure that only a man would say that.

2. The Nuge still has them beat hands down in purely nonsensical fanaticism.

I will never understand this kind of deranged fairy-logic.

If children conceived from rape are supposedly God trying to make lemonade out of lemons, then why in the hell did he send the lemons in the first place?. What sort of monster would allow evil to happen, when he has the power to stop it, and then saddle the victim with a “consolation prize” after the fact? What in the actual fuck?

If you believe that God is capable of giving rape victims babies to try to make it all better, then you must also believe that God is capable of making sure they don’t get raped in the first place. And if God is able, but not willing, then he is a malevolent force of evil that must be destroyed.

188 Targetpractice  Jul 24, 2014 6:19:51am

re: #176 Mattand

One of the resident conservatives here is a prime example of that. IIRC, he pretty much was like “I have to vote GOP because it’s a family tradition.”

At this point, I’m real close to stop referring to them as ‘Republicans’ and just calling them the Tea Baggers.

I’m getting ready to start using the GOTP acronym, as in “Grand Old Tea Party.” Because the roots of all this stretch back decades, to the aftermath of the Civil Rights Act of ‘64. The one that Nixon called the “Silent Majority” and Reagan the “Moral Majority.” Except they’ve long ceased being the majority of anything and that’s scarier than anything they’ve ever faced.

189 HappyWarrior  Jul 24, 2014 6:20:19am

re: #184 Mattand

You know how I’m always saying that Christie is going to go Full Metal Teabag in order to get the GOP POTUS nomination? If you catch him palling around with the Nuge, that’ll pretty much be the signal that the transformation is complete.

Wouldn’t shock me. You knew Romney had began to pander to the worst elements when he brought in guys like Kobach and Bolton as advisers on key issues.

190 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 24, 2014 6:20:48am
191 wheat-dogghazi  Jul 24, 2014 6:21:09am

re: #183 Feline Fearless Leader

I wrote a short paper on that subject back in college (US and Canada resisting/refusing visas for refugee Jews in the 30s.) You have to recall that the isolationist vibe was very strong in the US in the 30s, and with it ran a lot of anti-immigrant and racist rhetoric.

Libertarians and senators like Rand Paul and his daddy are also strongly isolationist. They reason that foreign government’s woes are not our business.

192 Feline Fearless Leader  Jul 24, 2014 6:21:25am

re: #184 Mattand

You know how I’m always saying that Christie is going to go Full Metal Teabag in order to get the GOP POTUS nomination? If you catch him palling around with the Nuge, that’ll pretty much be the signal that the transformation is complete.

But couldn’t The Nuge possibly confuse him for The Great White Buffalo?
// (unfair joke at the expense of Mr Christie’s size. I apologize after the fact.)

193 Mattand  Jul 24, 2014 6:21:28am

re: #183 Feline Fearless Leader

I wrote a short paper on that subject back in college (US and Canada resisting/refusing visas for refugee Jews in the 30s.) You have to recall that the isolationist vibe was very strong in the US in the 30s, and with it ran a lot of anti-immigrant and racist rhetoric.

USA! USA!

I always wonder if other countries pick up on our hypocrisy about being a melting pot, until a new wave of immigrants shows up.

I’m surprised someone hasn’t chiseled the “Give us your huddled masses” part off of the Statue of Liberty pedestal yet.

Or at least tried insert the word ‘white’ before ‘huddled masses.’

194 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 24, 2014 6:21:31am

“Pay people to work” WHAT A CONCEPT. Has it ever been tried before?
//

195 Feline Fearless Leader  Jul 24, 2014 6:23:04am

re: #191 wheat-dogghazi

Libertarians and senators like Rand Paul and his daddy are also strongly isolationist. They reason that foreign government’s woes are not our business.

I’ve read enough history to know that that is a stupid attitude to take. Even more so in the modern day.

196 Rightwingconspirator  Jul 24, 2014 6:23:14am

re: #180 Lidane

“Did not suffer” is one of the most glaring obvious lies I have seen from that high an official is quite some time. Then, worse IMO, is her frame of reference by comparing his ordeal to the victims. That’s not justice.

197 Mattand  Jul 24, 2014 6:23:25am

re: #190 Pie-onist Overlord

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How much you want to bet the rate Ryan has in mind is Non-Livable Jack Shit per hour.

198 wheat-dogghazi  Jul 24, 2014 6:23:27am

re: #190 Pie-onist Overlord

Oh, like the WPA? Wasn’t that a Democrat’s idea?

199 darthstar  Jul 24, 2014 6:23:37am

re: #194 Pie-onist Overlord

“Pay people to work” WHAT A CONCEPT. Has it ever been tried before?
//

Federal grants that he’ll refuse to fund.

200 lawhawk  Jul 24, 2014 6:24:48am

re: #167 wheat-dogghazi

The thing about this nonsensical issue is that if you’re paid wages, you’re required to submit W-4s upon initial employment, and the employer has to withhold taxes on everyone’s paychecks (or you have to do so if self-employed). So, yes, if you work, you’re paying taxes.

What happens then is that when it comes time to report your taxes by April 15 is that people under certain income levels will get refunds of the taxes paid (as well as combined with EITC and other credits/incentives). But they will have given the feds an interest free loan for the taxes withheld in the interim.

And that doesn’t count the amount of wages withheld for SS/Medicare (6.2% + 1.45%).

201 Mattand  Jul 24, 2014 6:25:00am

re: #188 Targetpractice

I’m getting ready to start using the GOTP acronym, as in “Grand Old Tea Party.” Because the roots of all this stretch back decades, to the aftermath of the Civil Rights Act of ‘64. The one that Nixon called the “Silent Majority” and Reagan the “Moral Majority.” Except they’ve long ceased being the majority of anything and that’s scarier than anything they’ve ever faced.

Yeah, that’s a good idea. It’s much easier to type than ‘Teapublicans’, too.

202 Lidane  Jul 24, 2014 6:25:13am

re: #194 Pie-onist Overlord

“Pay people to work” WHAT A CONCEPT. Has it ever been tried before?
//

Hell, you could even pay people a minimum amount for their labor. Better yet, pay them enough hourly so that they don’t have to go on welfare, or get food stamps just to get by.

203 Feline Fearless Leader  Jul 24, 2014 6:26:17am

re: #193 Mattand

USA! USA!

I always wonder if other countries pick up on our hypocrisy about being a melting pot, until a new wave of immigrants shows up.

I’m surprised someone hasn’t chiseled the “Give us your huddled masses” part off of the Statue of Liberty pedestal yet.

Or at least tried insert the word ‘white’ before ‘huddled masses.’

It’s been a moving target. Lots of bitching about the _______*.

* -
1840’s - Germans and Irish
1880’s - Scandinavians
1910’s - Italians and Central Europeans
1950’s - Central Americans
1970’s - Southeast Asians

California having a running thing about the Chinese and Japanese since the 1850s.

204 NJDhockeyfan  Jul 24, 2014 6:26:35am
205 lawhawk  Jul 24, 2014 6:26:42am

re: #182 darthstar

No there there? The moment the no-fly list was established, there were reports that the list had all kinds of issues, from people being stopped because they had the same or similar name as someone who actually was a terrorist, they were mistakenly inserted into the list, or any number of other issues.

The list does serve a purpose, but trying to verify all those on the list is a tough task, and it has to be constantly checked and updated for currency.

206 Feline Fearless Leader  Jul 24, 2014 6:28:17am

re: #205 lawhawk

No there there? The moment the no-fly list was established, there were reports that the list had all kinds of issues, from people being stopped because they had the same or similar name as someone who actually was a terrorist, they were mistakenly inserted into the list, or any number of other issues.

The list does serve a purpose, but trying to verify all those on the list is a tough task, and it has to be constantly checked and updated for currency.

And now a clever terror group will purposefully cause mass mayhem by doing nothing more than adopting very common names for their agents.

207 GunstarGreen  Jul 24, 2014 6:28:38am

re: #200 lawhawk

The BUT DEY DUNT PAY TACKZES!!1!!1!! canard has always been full of enough holes to serve as a sieve. If you participate in the US economy at all, you pay taxes. Payroll taxes, sales taxes, gas taxes, cigarette taxes, property taxes, regulatory taxes/fees on utility bills, vehicle registration fees… the list is endless. The income tax is but one of a vast array of taxes, and to use it as the sole basis for determine whether or not someone “pays taxes” is idiotic in the best case, scumbag-level dishonest in the usual case.

208 wheat-dogghazi  Jul 24, 2014 6:29:15am

re: #200 lawhawk

Right. The 47% figure makes no sense at all, because it implies that nearly half the country has never held a job or received a salary. If that were so, the USA would be a third-world country.

209 Targetpractice  Jul 24, 2014 6:30:13am

re: #190 Pie-onist Overlord

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Instead of distributing money to the poor via food stamps, welfare checks, and housing subsidies, Ryan would leave it up to states and local groups to apply for block grants aimed at encouraging people to take entry-level jobs instead of staying home and receiving welfare benefits.

In other words, continue the subsidizing of people’s shitty wages through government help, but cut out the middle man by cutting checks instead of providing food stamps.

Bob Woodson, who helped develop the plan as founder of the Center for Neighborhood Enterprise, said Ryan’s grant program would be more flexible and better tailored to poor communities’ needs. Community and faith-based organizations would apply for funds and have to demonstrate they can produce positive results, he said.

Read: Conservative groups and churches would get federal money to push their ideologies on the people least able to tell them to shove it.

210 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 24, 2014 6:30:39am

The Great Saint Ronaldus Magnus gracious said, THE BEST SOCIAL PROGRAM IS A JRB!!!! which his devoted cult worshippers have interpreted to mean that nobody participating in social programs is employed.

211 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jul 24, 2014 6:30:43am

From Völkisc RT:

RT contributor Graham Phillips is among four people taken hostage by Ukrainian troops, ANNA news agency reports. He has been missing since he went to Donetsk airport with other freelance journalists who were reporting on firefights on Tuesday.

The other three people in the group are reportedly ANNA news agency’s cameraman, an employee of the press service of the self-proclaimed Donetsk People’s Republic, and possibly an acquaintance of Phillips, who accompanied the journalist to the airport.

212 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jul 24, 2014 6:30:48am

re: #205 lawhawk

No there there? The moment the no-fly list was established, there were reports that the list had all kinds of issues, from people being stopped because they had the same or similar name as someone who actually was a terrorist, they were mistakenly inserted into the list, or any number of other issues.

The list does serve a purpose, but trying to verify all those on the list is a tough task, and it has to be constantly checked and updated for currency.

No to mention “false positives” caused by the vagaries of Arabic spelling (like Hebrew, it has no vowels, so we have Muhammad, Mohammed, Mehmet, etc. all as variants of the same name)

213 Rightwingconspirator  Jul 24, 2014 6:31:28am

re: #182 darthstar

I breezed through the Intercept’s article. There’s no there there.

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re: #205 lawhawk

This is another case of a nutjob taking a legit issue and just running it right out beyond all sense and sensibility. Take a look at whatever civil protection advocate you respect-ACLU or whoever. See what they have to say about a no fly list for anti terror becoming a very blunt instrument that has certainly caught up innocents.

Lawhawk i agree- I think this is the problem-No/little due process. There is little check on that authority so we have an imbalance.

214 HappyWarrior  Jul 24, 2014 6:31:42am

re: #210 Pie-onist Overlord

The Great Saint Ronaldus Magnus gracious said, THE BEST SOCIAL PROGRAM IS A JRB!!!! which his devoted cult worshippers have interpreted to mean that nobody participating in social programs is employed.

Reagan pushed a lot of bs myths. I blame him and his advisers for a lot of what the GOP has become.

215 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 24, 2014 6:32:36am

re: #209 Targetpractice

In other words, continue the subsidizing of people’s shitty wages through government help, but cut out the middle man by cutting checks instead of providing food stamps.

Read: Conservative groups and churches would get federal money to push their ideologies on the people least able to tell them to shove it.

Many poor people are unable to maintain checking accounts and have to rely on sleazy “check cashing” services which take a chunk out of their meager earnings, or they get paid with prepaid debit cards which incur a charge every time they are used.

It’s expensive to be poor.

216 HappyWarrior  Jul 24, 2014 6:33:19am

re: #203 Feline Fearless Leader

It’s been a moving target. Lots of bitching about the _______*.

* -
1840’s - Germans and Irish
1880’s - Scandinavians
1910’s - Italians and Central Europeans
1950’s - Central Americans
1970’s - Southeast Asians

California having a running thing about the Chinese and Japanese since the 1850s.

It’s all a nasty cycle unfortunately. One group assimilates and some of their descendants become just as nasty as the nativists to their ancestors were.

217 HappyWarrior  Jul 24, 2014 6:34:06am

I don’t know though what I find more pathetic. The demonizing of the poor or the attempt to make the ultra wealthy out to be victims.

218 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 24, 2014 6:34:11am

This evil fuckbag is a member of Congress.

219 Feline Fearless Leader  Jul 24, 2014 6:34:12am

re: #209 Targetpractice

In other words, continue the subsidizing of people’s shitty wages through government help, but cut out the middle man by cutting checks instead of providing food stamps.

Read: Conservative groups and churches would get federal money to push their ideologies on the people least able to tell them to shove it.

Actually that looks like adding *more* middle men that can skim money of the top via administration fees and such. In addition to being given the capability to push ideology and discrimination as well.

220 lawhawk  Jul 24, 2014 6:35:23am

re: #209 Targetpractice

And then complain when a faith based group that is working with government and other NGOs helps an underserved or endangered group of people (BCFS helping house illegal aliens awaiting deportation comes to mind).

221 ObserverArt  Jul 24, 2014 6:36:26am

re: #174 Decatur Deb

They could have strangled the TP movement in its crib. Instead they thought it was cute, even when it shit its Pampers. Now they can live with it.

When the TeaParty broke out in 2009, it was said that it was made up of the disgruntled people that wanted to change politics. It was originally thought to have been made up of people of all political persuasions…Republicans, Democrats, Centrists, Independents, Libertarians.

Dick Armey and the boys that helped astroturf the movement probably thought they could fund some of the groups and bring them ALL into Republican thinking. An inexpensive way to open the party. A quick way to get populists voting to answer what Obama did with his ground attack.

Problem was, much of what pisses people off about politics and may have been at the root of TeaParty thinking is rife in the Republican Party. The fact that all they did was obstruct and put the other side down turned off Democrats, Centrists, Independents, Libertarians…and even some Republicans.

The only way it would have helped the Republicans is if the Republicans would undergo drastic changes. They were never going to do that. So, putting a name and some costumes on a movement and calling it your own was just putting lipstick on a pig.

222 wheat-dogghazi  Jul 24, 2014 6:36:32am

re: #215 Pie-onist Overlord

Many poor people are unable to maintain checking accounts and have to rely on sleazy “check cashing” services which take a chunk out of their meager earnings, or they get paid with prepaid debit cards which incur a charge every time they are used.

It’s expensive to be poor.

Have you seen this movie? Free on YouTube. spentmovie.com

223 Lidane  Jul 24, 2014 6:37:36am

re: #196 Rightwingconspirator

“Did not suffer” is one of the most glaring obvious lies I have seen from that high an official is quite some time. Then, worse IMO, is her frame of reference by comparing his ordeal to the victims. That’s not justice.

Let’s face it, though. The death penalty isn’t about justice. It’s state-sanctioned revenge. Yes, there are crimes that are so far beyond the pale that whoever does them has shredded and burned their humanity card. For those people, lock them away alone and toss the key. For the truly horrific, you lock them up and erase their existence, just like how the house that Ariel Castro lived in was razed and incinerated. Killing them doesn’t solve anything, since it’s not going to bring the victims back to life.

If we DO have to kill them, then we should be honest about the death penalty being punitive. Use a guillotine. At least that would be quick and honest and there wouldn’t be any question about why we’re doing what we’re doing.

224 Feline Fearless Leader  Jul 24, 2014 6:37:39am

re: #216 HappyWarrior

It’s all a nasty cycle unfortunately. One group assimilates and some of their descendants become just as nasty as the nativists to their ancestors were.

I think that behavior set is very deeply set in our culture if not partially hardwired. The same behavior crops up in fraternities regarding hazing activities. “We suffered this, so it’s our turn to inflict it on the next group.”

It’s an opportunity twisted into power abuse rather than compassion and empathy.

225 wheat-dogghazi  Jul 24, 2014 6:37:41am

re: #219 Feline Fearless Leader

Right wing welfare.

226 lawhawk  Jul 24, 2014 6:38:23am

re: #218 Pie-onist Overlord

227 HappyWarrior  Jul 24, 2014 6:40:07am

re: #224 Feline Fearless Leader

I think that behavior set is very deeply set in our culture if not partially hardwired. The same behavior crops up in fraternities regarding hazing activities. “We suffered this, so it’s our turn to inflict it on the next group.”

It’s an opportunity twisted into power abuse rather than compassion and empathy.

Yeah quite true.

228 darthstar  Jul 24, 2014 6:41:26am

re: #205 lawhawk

No there there? The moment the no-fly list was established, there were reports that the list had all kinds of issues, from people being stopped because they had the same or similar name as someone who actually was a terrorist, they were mistakenly inserted into the list, or any number of other issues.

The list does serve a purpose, but trying to verify all those on the list is a tough task, and it has to be constantly checked and updated for currency.

I realize the no-fly list has been rife with problems since its inception, but this document isn’t a new program - it’s a guide to collecting data on suspects after they’ve been profiled. And yes, my pocket litter says a lot - that I eat Rolaids far more than I should, I have dry cleaning that needs to be picked up, and locker 34-E at the bus depot is somehow significant.

229 darthstar  Jul 24, 2014 6:42:20am

re: #226 lawhawk

You say “shifts burden to low wager” like it’s a bad thng. —1%ers.

230 HappyWarrior  Jul 24, 2014 6:43:14am

re: #229 darthstar

You say “shifts burden to low wager” like it’s a bad thng. —1%ers.

Yeah, that’s a feature not a bug.

231 darthstar  Jul 24, 2014 6:43:22am
232 William Barnett-Lewis  Jul 24, 2014 6:44:41am

re: #218 Pie-onist Overlord

This evil fuckbag is a member of Congress.

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I’d be tempted to make a graphic like Fox’s saying:

“Drunk? Stupid? Or Drunk And Stupid?
Republican’s Talk; You Decide”

233 ObserverArt  Jul 24, 2014 6:45:39am

re: #229 darthstar

You say “shifts burden to low wager” like it’s a bad thng. —1%ers.

re: #230 HappyWarrior

Yeah, that’s a feature not a bug.

I just wish for once one of these bozos had the ‘nads to come out and just say it.

234 wheat-dogghazi  Jul 24, 2014 6:45:42am

Peeking over The Gateway Pundit, I find Gov. Rick Perry claiming that 203,000 illegals have infiltrated Texas and that they are behind 3,000 homicides and 8,000 sexual assaults since 2008.

Perry was on Hannity, apparently. I’ll leave it to our Texans here to fisk the governor’s data.

235 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jul 24, 2014 6:46:27am

re: #218 Pie-onist Overlord

This evil fuckbag is a member of Congress.

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They are taking advantage of a basic fact: nobody likes the IRS, even people who realize that it is only a government agency doing the job we have tasked it to do.

236 lawhawk  Jul 24, 2014 6:47:29am

And how many times has the UNRWA already found missiles and other weapons stashed in UNRWA schools? Twice. So far. Hamas is storing weapons in these locations. Who is ultimately responsible for this when Israel strikes at weapons caches?

UNRWA for not policing its facilities sufficiently while Hamas uses them as safe havens in the hope that Israel will avoid targeting.

Hamas for using them in the first place in contra to Geneva Conventions and the laws of war by putting civilians in harms way.

Or Israel, for carrying out attacks that could endanger those Gazans seeking refuge there all while knowing that Hamas is using those refugees precisely because they want to avoid Israel striking at those weapons.

Seems like a Rorschach test.

237 HappyWarrior  Jul 24, 2014 6:47:35am

re: #234 wheat-dogghazi

Peeking over The Gateway Pundit, I find Gov. Rick Perry claiming that 203,000 illegals have infiltrated Texas and that they are behind 3,000 homicides and 8,000 sexual assaults since 2008.

Perry was on Hannity, apparently. I’ll leave it to our Texans here to fisk the governor’s data.

Funny how Perry didn’t have this “concern” before he got his ass kicked by Romney for not being wingnutty enough on immigration.

238 HappyWarrior  Jul 24, 2014 6:48:34am

re: #233 ObserverArt

I just wish for once one of these bozos had the ‘nads to come out and just say it.

I do too. They want a society where government exists for the benefit of the very wealthy. They should come out and say it rather than claiming that they give two shits about the poor and middle classes.

239 Lidane  Jul 24, 2014 6:48:58am

re: #234 wheat-dogghazi

Peeking over The Gateway Pundit, I find Gov. Rick Perry claiming that 203,000 illegals have infiltrated Texas and that they are behind 3,000 homicides and 8,000 sexual assaults since 2008.

Perry was on Hannity, apparently. I’ll leave it to our Texans here to fisk the governor’s data.

Politifact saved all of us the time and effort. Perry is full of shit:

Rick Perry claim about 3,000 homicides by illegal immigrants not supported by state figures

Our ruling

Perry told Beck over 3,000 homicides were committed “by illegal aliens over the” last six years.

This claim is unsupported by the presentation he relied on, which indicates that since 2008 in Texas, more than 200,000 arrested immigrants — foreign nationals living here with or without legal permission — had among them accumulated 3,070 homicide charges (not convictions) in their lives. Put another way, for this declaration to hold water, one would have to assume illegal immigrants committed nearly half of the state’s homicides since 2008; we found no such data.

This statement is both incorrect and ridiculous. Pants on Fire!

240 Feline Fearless Leader  Jul 24, 2014 6:49:53am

re: #229 darthstar

You say “shifts burden to low wager” like it’s a bad thng. —1%ers.

All these people should be required to do some reading on how French society looked in the 1780s. An upper class that pays little to no taxes while the lower classes handle the load for government and civic improvements is essentially a powder keg awaiting a match.

241 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jul 24, 2014 6:50:28am

re: #238 HappyWarrior

I do too. They want a society where government exists for the benefit of the very wealthy. They should come out and say it rather than claiming that they give two shits about the poor and middle classes.

Their idea is that the wealthy, out of their innate wisdom, magnanimity and moral superiority, will share more of their wealth with the poor than any government could ever do over the long run.

We see examples of this patriarchal approach all over Central America, Africa and Asia…

242 lawhawk  Jul 24, 2014 6:50:45am

re: #234 wheat-dogghazi

Peeking over The Gateway Pundit, I find Gov. Rick Perry claiming that 203,000 illegals have infiltrated Texas and that they are behind 3,000 homicides and 8,000 sexual assaults since 2008.

Perry was on Hannity, apparently. I’ll leave it to our Texans here to fisk the governor’s data.

Wouldn’t you know it. PANTS ON FIRE.

Drawing on FBI Uniform Crime Statistics for Texas posted online by the DPS, Walker calculated that from 2008 through 2012, there were 3,903 persons arrested on homicide charges in the state. Walker said it’s not logical that residents in the state without legal permission accounted for most of the same deaths. He conceded, too, he wasn’t able to roll in homicide charges from 2013 and 2014; he didn’t see that data online nor were we successful in eliciting figures from DPS.

Martinez offered up his own analysis, which started by averaging the FBI’s tally of a little more than 1,100 homicides in Texas in 2011 and 2012 and extrapolating that over six years to reach an estimated total of nearly 6,700 homicides over most of the period analyzed by DPS. By email, Martinez said Perry’s statement to Beck potentially would suggest 3,070, or 46 percent, of the estimated homicides were committed by “illegal aliens.” But, he said, “that makes no sense.” He said in a follow-up email: “It just boggles the imagination that level of ‘aliens’ were involved to that extent over time and nobody noticed.”

The criminologists noted another weakness; the DPS presentation mixes together recent homicide charges with those that might have been leveled decades ago. Also, they noted, the agency tallied arrests only, not homicide convictions.

Martinez also raised an eyebrow at the mingling of criminal charges against legally authorized U.S. residents and individuals in the country without permission, risking conclusions irrelevant to border security today. By the state’s approach, he said, it’s possible a homicide charge in the tally involves someone who reached the U.S. from Cuba in 1962 who was later charged with and/or committed a homicide. If so, he said, that charge would bear no relevance to criminal actions by people lately crossing the Rio Grande.

Neither the DPS or Perry’s office offered more information.

Our ruling

Perry told Beck over 3,000 homicides were committed “by illegal aliens over the” last six years.

This claim is unsupported by the presentation he relied on, which indicates that since 2008 in Texas, more than 200,000 arrested immigrants — foreign nationals living here with or without legal permission — had among them accumulated 3,070 homicide charges (not convictions) in their lives. Put another way, for this declaration to hold water, one would have to assume illegal immigrants committed nearly half of the state’s homicides since 2008; we found no such data.

243 wheat-dogghazi  Jul 24, 2014 6:51:08am

re: #239 Lidane

I figured he was lying. He opened his mouth.

244 wheat-dogghazi  Jul 24, 2014 6:51:48am

The old lady has a sense of humour.

245 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 24, 2014 6:52:21am

re: #238 HappyWarrior

I do too. They want a society where government exists for the benefit of the very wealthy. They should come out and say it rather than claiming that they give two shits about the poor and middle classes.

HURR HURR THEIR TEH JRRB CREEYATERS!!!! HOW MENY JRRBS HAS U CREEYATED U LIBTARD!!!!!!!

246 lawhawk  Jul 24, 2014 6:53:14am

Developing: Tornado touched down in Eastern VA at a campground. Casualties reported.

247 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 24, 2014 6:53:46am
248 Lidane  Jul 24, 2014 6:53:52am

This should amuse the legal eagles around here:

Beck: Bombing Victim I Wrongly Accused Was An ‘Involuntary’ Public Figure

Beck’s legal team contends that the conservative radio host, who called Alharbi the “money man” in the bombing plot and said the student faced deportation for “terrorist activities,” is actually the real victim in this case.

WaPo reported that Beck’s court filings said Alharbi is seeking to stifle the pundit’s First Amendment rights and that Alharbi was an “involuntary” public figure — a standard that if met, according to the newspaper, would render Beck’s errant observations all but irrelevant in court.

249 darthstar  Jul 24, 2014 6:53:54am

re: #236 lawhawk

Definitely not a good place to hide from the shelling. Two schools had hidden missiles, now all are valid targets, apparently.

I’ve said this before - with Iraq when we killed a bunch of civilians, and in Afghanistan, as well as with other conflicts that have made the news…It’s one of the downsides of a guerilla war. The “enemy” doesn’t exactly have a uniform that distinguishes him from innocent civilians, so all civilians and combatants must be treated with the same amount of suspicion.

250 NJDhockeyfan  Jul 24, 2014 6:53:55am

re: #236 lawhawk

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And how many times has the UNRWA already found missiles and other weapons stashed in UNRWA schools? Twice. So far. Hamas is storing weapons in these locations. Who is ultimately responsible for this when Israel strikes at weapons caches?

UNRWA for not policing its facilities sufficiently while Hamas uses them as safe havens in the hope that Israel will avoid targeting.

Hamas for using them in the first place in contra to Geneva Conventions and the laws of war by putting civilians in harms way.

Or Israel, for carrying out attacks that could endanger those Gazans seeking refuge there all while knowing that Hamas is using those refugees precisely because they want to avoid Israel striking at those weapons.

Seems like a Rorschach test.

They are useless. Last week the UNRWA found 20 missiles in the basement of one of their schools. Did they destroy them? No, they gave them back to Hamas.

251 HappyWarrior  Jul 24, 2014 6:53:57am

re: #246 lawhawk

Developing: Tornado touched down in Eastern VA at a campground. Casualties reported.

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Quick! Check to see the status of all the victims.

252 HappyWarrior  Jul 24, 2014 6:54:52am

re: #248 Lidane

This should amuse the legal eagles around here:

Beck: Bombing Victim I Wrongly Accused Was An ‘Involuntary’ Public Figure

Shithead can’t stop being a shithead can he.

253 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 24, 2014 6:55:40am

It seems as though Meriam Ibrahim supports gay rights. Watch wingnut heads explode!

254 William Barnett-Lewis  Jul 24, 2014 6:56:14am

re: #247 Pie-onist Overlord

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If I said even a percent of what I’d like to say about that thing in our governor’s office…

255 Targetpractice  Jul 24, 2014 6:57:31am

re: #248 Lidane

This should amuse the legal eagles around here:

Beck: Bombing Victim I Wrongly Accused Was An ‘Involuntary’ Public Figure

So Beck’s defense is that the guy who he made a public figure is a public figure, so anything Beck said is just his commenting on a public figure.

Yegods.

256 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 24, 2014 6:57:58am

WHAT COULD GO WRONG?

257 ObserverArt  Jul 24, 2014 6:57:58am

re: #246 lawhawk

Developing: Tornado touched down in Eastern VA at a campground. Casualties reported.

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That sounds bad. Camping vehicles and the like are not real good in a tornado situation.

258 wheat-dogghazi  Jul 24, 2014 6:58:41am

Hey, Twitter experts, how do you do a modified tweet (MT)? I haven’t had much practice using Twitter, living behind the Great Firewall and all.

259 HappyWarrior  Jul 24, 2014 6:59:29am

rawstory.com
Don’t care what people say, this is murder.

260 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jul 24, 2014 7:00:06am

re: #256 Pie-onist Overlord

WHAT COULD GO WRONG?

Paul Ryan proposes merging food stamps, cash welfare, other anti-poverty programs, giving states more flexibility

Combining a harsh, condescending approach to the poor with the motto of States’ Rights. A real winner when it comes to generating TPGOP talking points.

261 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 24, 2014 7:01:07am

re: #258 wheat-dogghazi

Hey, Twitter experts, how do you do a modified tweet (MT)? I haven’t had much practice using Twitter, living behind the Great Firewall and all.

A “modified Tweet” is basically a RT where you have edited some of the content, to fit within the 140 -char limit.

262 Feline Fearless Leader  Jul 24, 2014 7:01:35am

re: #234 wheat-dogghazi

Peeking over The Gateway Pundit, I find Gov. Rick Perry claiming that 203,000 illegals have infiltrated Texas and that they are behind 3,000 homicides and 8,000 sexual assaults since 2008.

Perry was on Hannity, apparently. I’ll leave it to our Texans here to fisk the governor’s data.

Quick back-of-envelope calculation makes me extremely suspicious of the claim.

Murder rate in Texas (2008-2012) was between 4.4 to 5.6 per 100,000 population. (declining). Which is 247 per 1,000,000 pop over 5 years.

Given an approximate Texas population of 26 million that means there were about 6400 homicides in Texas between 2008 and 2012.

I doubt that 203,000 illegals (assuming that this is a correct number) committed approximately half the homicides in Texas.

263 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 24, 2014 7:01:40am

re: #259 HappyWarrior

rawstory.com
Don’t care what people say, this is murder.

Sic the pro-lifers on his ass.

264 wheat-dogghazi  Jul 24, 2014 7:02:30am

re: #261 Pie-onist Overlord

A “modified Tweet” is basically a RT where you have edited some of the content, to fit within the 140 -char limit.

I know. How do you do it? Just copy the original and paste with your additions?

265 NJDhockeyfan  Jul 24, 2014 7:02:44am
266 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 24, 2014 7:02:54am

*THROWS BURNING DESK OUT THE WINDOW*

267 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jul 24, 2014 7:03:51am

re: #265 NJDhockeyfan

Tell us something we didn’t know. /

268 lawhawk  Jul 24, 2014 7:04:49am

re: #266 Pie-onist Overlord

Just a flaming desk for that nonsense? Really? You’re slipping.

269 Targetpractice  Jul 24, 2014 7:05:32am

re: #256 Pie-onist Overlord

WHAT COULD GO WRONG?

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“More flexibility,” i.e. more ways to scam the system. When money is earmarked only for certain programs, then it’s hard to use that money to do other things, like patch over budget holes. Block grants open up opportunities to turn money meant for food stamps or housing vouchers into spackle to cover up those holes blown in the budget with the latest round of tax cuts.

270 Lidane  Jul 24, 2014 7:05:49am

Seen on my FB timeline yesterday:

Israel uses missiles to protect its citizens.

Gaza uses citizens to protect its missiles.

How hard is that to understand?

I decided that discretion was the better part of valor, so I just scrolled on by.

271 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jul 24, 2014 7:06:19am
But yesterday, David Cameron ramped up the pressure on the Russian president , himself a former KGB spy, by ordering a public inquiry into Litvinenko’s death. It is believed that British spooks may be called to answer questions about Litvinenko being the victim of a “state sponsored execution”.

Politics, politics. But tbh, nobody would be surprised if, say, the US or Israel assassinated their former spies. Not sure this is gonna get much traction.

272 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 24, 2014 7:06:23am

re: #268 lawhawk

Just a flaming desk for that nonsense? Really? You’re slipping.

I thought I blocked & muted that guy but he keeps showing up in my timeline again & again.

273 Feline Fearless Leader  Jul 24, 2014 7:07:28am

re: #270 Lidane

Seen on my FB timeline yesterday:

I decided that discretion was the better part of valor, so I just scrolled on by.

Standard issue with equating Gaza citizens to Hamas. That’s the same sort of equation that makes killing US citizens anywhere the equivalent as striking at the US government.

274 sattv4u2  Jul 24, 2014 7:08:07am

re: #266 Pie-onist Overlord

*THROWS BURNING DESK OUT THE WINDOW*

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Dear Ahmed

When New England starts hurling hundreds of rockets per week at Israel, then I’ll start worrying about if Israel sends fighter jets over Portland Maine!!!

275 Feline Fearless Leader  Jul 24, 2014 7:08:23am

re: #272 Pie-onist Overlord

I thought I blocked & muted that guy but he keeps showing up in my timeline again & again.

What is the next step up from flaming desk? Setting fire to and then imploding the entire building?
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276 wheat-dogghazi  Jul 24, 2014 7:08:30am

re: #272 Pie-onist Overlord

@AngryBlackLady is fuming at Twitter support because someone named AssHolster continues to flame her, and support’s doing nothing. Maybe you’ve got the same problem.

277 NJDhockeyfan  Jul 24, 2014 7:08:54am
278 lawhawk  Jul 24, 2014 7:09:26am

re: #276 wheat-dogghazi

Twitter support is apparently run by the same two servers in the Experian commercial.

279 Feline Fearless Leader  Jul 24, 2014 7:09:42am

re: #277 NJDhockeyfan

Has Cruz called a press conference yet to yell that AA is enabling Hamas?
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280 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 24, 2014 7:10:25am

re: #276 wheat-dogghazi

@AngryBlackLady is fuming at Twitter support because someone named AssHolster continues to flame her, and support’s doing nothing. Maybe you’ve got the same problem.

I had to take @AngryBlackLady off my WIN list after she retweeted a bunch of Mondoweiss stuff, but she apparently has a stalker problem like Charles does.

281 Decatur Deb  Jul 24, 2014 7:16:13am

re: #250 NJDhockeyfan

They are useless. Last week the UNRWA found 20 missiles in the basement of one of their schools. Did they destroy them? No, they gave them back to Hamas.

They called them out. UNRWA is social workers, not an EOD team.

283 Bubblehead II  Jul 24, 2014 7:18:30am

Rev up the outrageous outrage generator.

Obama: Tax avoidance akin to renouncing citizenship

Los Angeles (CNN) - American-based firms that use legal loopholes to avoid paying U.S. taxes have effectively renounced any allegiance to their home country, President Barack Obama will claim during remarks at a community college here on Thursday.

284 lawhawk  Jul 24, 2014 7:19:42am
285 sattv4u2  Jul 24, 2014 7:20:02am

re: #282 Killgore Trout

Isis ‘orders female genital mutilation’ for women in Mosul

Story I posted yesterday said that all mannequins, male and female, had to have their heads covered!

286 Targetpractice  Jul 24, 2014 7:20:52am

re: #283 Bubblehead II

Rev up the outrageous outrage generator.

Obama: Tax avoidance akin to renouncing citizenship

Los Angeles (CNN) - American-based firms that use legal loopholes to avoid paying U.S. taxes have effectively renounced any allegiance to their home country, President Barack Obama will claim during remarks at a community college here on Thursday.

Prediction: They’ll claim that the rich are “plenty patriotic” because they “pay all the taxes,” then suggest that the President should start stripping the “47%” of their citizenship.

287 HappyWarrior  Jul 24, 2014 7:20:56am

re: #283 Bubblehead II

Rev up the outrageous outrage generator.

Obama: Tax avoidance akin to renouncing citizenship

Los Angeles (CNN) - American-based firms that use legal loopholes to avoid paying U.S. taxes have effectively renounced any allegiance to their home country, President Barack Obama will claim during remarks at a community college here on Thursday.

Yep this one is going to get them outraged but he’s exactly right and it’s a big reason why Romney is such a shitty leader. No one likes paying taxes but going out of your way to avoid paying them is one of the farthest things from patriotism you can do.

288 Killgore Trout  Jul 24, 2014 7:21:26am

re: #281 Decatur Deb

They called them out. UNRWA is social workers, not an EOD team.

UNRWA isn’t stupid. I appreciate the position they are in but they knew what would happen with those rockets. I find it hard to believe they are surprised that the rockets have gone missing or that they’re genuinely confused about where they’ve gone.

289 HappyWarrior  Jul 24, 2014 7:21:31am

re: #284 lawhawk

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Like Ron Paul, they haven’t met a Russian they haven’t liked.

290 Ian G.  Jul 24, 2014 7:21:33am

Good morning, Lizards.

So this is apparently real: the president-elect of Indonesia is a big metal head.

It is, of course, great news that the largest Muslim country in the world is a functional democracy, but it’s even better news to know that personal preferences like this don’t apparently mean much to a country full of Muslim voters. I have to imagine that an American presidential candidate happily acknowledging listening to groups like Napalm Death would lead to a massive, massive freakout by the Bryan Fischer chorus.

291 Feline Fearless Leader  Jul 24, 2014 7:21:40am

re: #285 sattv4u2

Story I posted yesterday said that all mannequins, male and female, had to have their heads covered!

Soon corporation headquarters buildings will have a similar requirement.
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292 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 24, 2014 7:21:45am

re: #286 Targetpractice

Prediction: They’ll claim that the rich are “plenty patriotic” because they “pay all the taxes,” then suggest that the President should start stripping the “47%” of their citizenship.

The 1% pay “47%” of the taxes but they have 90% of the moneys!

293 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jul 24, 2014 7:21:47am

re: #283 Bubblehead II

Rev up the outrageous outrage generator.

Obama: Tax avoidance akin to renouncing citizenship

Los Angeles (CNN) - American-based firms that use legal loopholes to avoid paying U.S. taxes have effectively renounced any allegiance to their home country, President Barack Obama will claim during remarks at a community college here on Thursday.

If corporations can be people, they can also be illegal aliens. Lock and load!!!

294 Lidane  Jul 24, 2014 7:22:04am

re: #283 Bubblehead II

Rev up the outrageous outrage generator.

Obama: Tax avoidance akin to renouncing citizenship

Los Angeles (CNN) - American-based firms that use legal loopholes to avoid paying U.S. taxes have effectively renounced any allegiance to their home country, President Barack Obama will claim during remarks at a community college here on Thursday.

Meanwhile, the nutters I know are babbling about how Obama is so awful and such a greedy taxmonger that innocent businesses are moving overseas to avoid his money grubbing Marxist hands.

I really do weep for this country. Conservatism has degenerated from a viable opposition to complete incoherence.

295 Killgore Trout  Jul 24, 2014 7:22:18am

re: #285 sattv4u2

Story I posted yesterday said that all mannequins, male and female, had to have their heads covered!

If given the choice I’d rather be a mannequin than a real girl in Iraq.

296 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jul 24, 2014 7:22:37am

re: #284 lawhawk

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Fuck Assange. Now he broadcasts terrorist propaganda. Also, nobody hid behind the plane.

297 Decatur Deb  Jul 24, 2014 7:23:06am

re: #288 Killgore Trout

UNRWA isn’t stupid. I appreciate the position they are in but they knew what would happen with those rockets. I find it hard to believe they are surprised that the rockets have gone missing or that they’re genuinely confused about where they’ve gone.

Suppose you run school in a war zone, and find 20 barrage rockets in the basement. Your next step is to…..???

298 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 24, 2014 7:23:38am

re: #294 Lidane

Meanwhile, the nutters I know are babbling about how Obama is so awful and such a greedy taxmonger that innocent businesses are moving overseas to avoid his money grubbing Marxist hands.

I really do weep for this country. Conservatism has degenerated from a viable opposition to complete incoherence.

It’s a popular meme at TCOT to post pictures of Ronald Reagan with his mouth on the flag [wingnut[HURR HURR THIS IS WHAT A REAL PATRIOTIC PRESIDENT LOOKS LIKE!!!![/wingnut]

299 sattv4u2  Jul 24, 2014 7:25:39am

re: #297 Decatur Deb

Suppose you run school in a war zone, and find 20 barrage rockets in the basement. Your next step is to…..???

Secure and dismantle the rockets

(slight edit)

300 wheat-dogghazi  Jul 24, 2014 7:26:30am

I have no words.

301 Decatur Deb  Jul 24, 2014 7:26:35am

re: #299 sattv4u2

Take and dismantle the rockets

Using your mad French Literature skillz.

302 HappyWarrior  Jul 24, 2014 7:27:04am

re: #300 wheat-dogghazi

I have no words.

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Fuck off Horowitz.

303 Ian G.  Jul 24, 2014 7:27:26am

re: #283 Bubblehead II

Once upon a time, it was considered patriotic to pay your taxes for the good of the country:

Youtube Video

Now, of course, “patriotism” to the Galtian geniuses is treating the country like how Henry Hill and company treated the Copacabana Lounge in “Goodfellas”: wring every last cent out of it, then set it on fire.

304 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 24, 2014 7:27:53am

re: #300 wheat-dogghazi

I have no words.

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HURR HURR THIS IS TEH REALS #WARONWOMEN NOT TEH FREE BIRTH CONTROLS!!!!!!

The wingnut meme is that women activists can’t focus on any other issues except for Islamists in other countries.

305 Feline Fearless Leader  Jul 24, 2014 7:28:01am

re: #297 Decatur Deb

Suppose you run school in a war zone, and find 20 barrage rockets in the basement. Your next step is to…..???

Turn them over to the police/proper authorities. Which is what I believe they did.

But the comment referenced recently skipped over this particular nuance and apparently assumed that since it is believed that Hamas has undue influence with the police in Gaza that they immediately received the rockets.

But since the goal of the comment was to smear the UNRWA I was unsurprised at the skip taking place.

306 Ian G.  Jul 24, 2014 7:28:53am

re: #300 wheat-dogghazi

I have no words.

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I have words: David, if you think Obama and, say, Gloria Steinem are pro-ISIS, please check yourself into a mental hospital. You are a danger to yourself and others.

307 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jul 24, 2014 7:28:57am

re: #303 Ian G.

Once upon a time, it was considered patriotic to pay your taxes for the good of the country:

In Switzerland, your tax returns are private, but the final amount you pay is a matter of public record. This has led to cases of people actually overpaying their taxes in order to make a favorable impression on their fellow citizens.

308 Decatur Deb  Jul 24, 2014 7:29:30am

re: #305 Feline Fearless Leader

Turn them over to the police/proper authorities. Which is what I believe they did.

But the comment referenced recently skipped over this particular nuance and apparently assumed that since it is believed that Hamas has undue influence with the police in Gaza that they immediately received the rockets.

But since the goal of the comment was to smear the UNRWA I was unsurprised at the skip taking place.

That’s a good Step 2. Step 1 is to grab as many kids as are at hand and get out of Dodge.

309 HappyWarrior  Jul 24, 2014 7:29:44am

re: #306 Ian G.

I have words: David, if you think Obama and, say, Gloria Steinem are pro-ISIS, please check yourself into a mental hospital. You are a danger to yourself and others.

He should have done it years ago. The guy was a lunatic as a leftist and he’s just as loony as a rightist asshole.

310 Killgore Trout  Jul 24, 2014 7:30:25am

re: #297 Decatur Deb

Suppose you run school in a war zone, and find 20 barrage rockets in the basement. Your next step is to…..???

Call the Israelis or make arrangements with the Egyptians to come pick them up. They’ve done it before. I think real concern for Palestinian civilians gets lost in the debate. Many who side with the Palestinian cause tend to make excuses for behavior and tactics that increase the risk to Palestinian civilians. The UN does pay a role in contributing to the risk and perpetuating the conflict.

311 Decatur Deb  Jul 24, 2014 7:30:54am

Off to enrich another doctor. This one is naming his boat for me. BBL.

312 HappyWarrior  Jul 24, 2014 7:32:12am

Horowitz of course is the same moron who agitates for perennial war in the ME but thinks Arabic being taught in school is proof of the Shariah plot.

313 sattv4u2  Jul 24, 2014 7:32:55am

re: #311 Decatur Deb

Off to enrich another doctor. This one is naming his boat for me. BBL.

Little dinghy???

314 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 24, 2014 7:33:32am

Dim Jim’s Outrage Du Jour

315 HappyWarrior  Jul 24, 2014 7:35:14am

re: #314 Pie-onist Overlord

Dim Jim’s Outrage Du Jour

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You mean the outrage du hour. He’ll have another one before lunch I’m sure.

316 NJDhockeyfan  Jul 24, 2014 7:36:36am
317 wheat-dogghazi  Jul 24, 2014 7:39:38am

re: #314 Pie-onist Overlord

Obama did a thing while something terrible happened somewhere in the world he had no control over. OUTRAGE!!
OR
Obama did a thing. OUTRAGE!!

Speaking of outrage, Dim Jim and his loyal minion Kristinn Taylor have been surprisingly mum about not getting any of those “serious apologies” they demanded last week.

318 HappyWarrior  Jul 24, 2014 7:39:54am

You know, it’s funny. Any criticism of President Bush and you were “emboldening” the terrorists but it’s perfectly legitimate for Horowitz to suggest that Obama is in cahoots with a bunch of genital mutilating assholes. Fuckers.

319 sattv4u2  Jul 24, 2014 7:40:11am

re: #316 NJDhockeyfan

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Heard there was some nasty weather in the area when the plane went missing

Of course, due to the tragedy on the Ukraine border, the reporter also “had’ to mention the area where the plane went down in Mali has some sporadic conflict going on too between rebels and the gov’t

320 Ryan King  Jul 24, 2014 7:43:34am

re: #318 HappyWarrior

You know, it’s funny. Any criticism of President Bush and you were “emboldening” the terrorists but it’s perfectly legitimate for Horowitz to suggest that Obama is in cahoots with a bunch of genital mutilating assholes. Fuckers.

Now, Obama is on Golf Watch and Fundraiser Watch. And anything bad happens, because/Obama.

Sick sick sick hateful people that have created a business model that profits from that sickness and hate.

321 wheat-dogghazi  Jul 24, 2014 7:43:38am

I note that Bryan J Fischer falls right in line with an anti-Muslim Tweet in re: ISIS and the FGM edict.

322 lawhawk  Jul 24, 2014 7:44:04am

re: #319 sattv4u2

Mali is among the places where the FAA has issued flight advisories because of ongoing conflicts. In particular it warns about MANPAD and small arms fire below 24,000 feet. Doesn’t mean that this particular plane crash is related to the fighting, but until rescuers get to the crash site and investigate it fully, nothing can be ruled out.

323 lawhawk  Jul 24, 2014 7:45:24am

re: #314 Pie-onist Overlord

OMG, the President commented to donors he dances. And that he think he’s a good dancer.

The TP/GOP solution to this? Impeachment. It’s the only way to be sure.

Wait. What?

324 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 24, 2014 7:45:48am

New Outrageous Outrage PREGNANT WOMAN PREVENTED FROM CROSSING THE STREET TO THE HOSPITAL BY OBAMA MOTORCADE!!!!!!

What if she was crossing the street to an abortion clinic?

325 sattv4u2  Jul 24, 2014 7:47:32am

re: #322 lawhawk

Mali is among the places where the FAA has issued flight advisories because of ongoing conflicts. In particular it warns about MANPAD and small arms fire below 24,000 feet. Doesn’t mean that this particular plane crash is related to the fighting, but until rescuers get to the crash site and investigate it fully, nothing can be ruled out.

Update now states in crashed in Niger, not Mali

ibtimes.co.uk

326 Bulworth  Jul 24, 2014 7:48:58am

re:
#314

BRAGS! UPPITY!!!!1

327 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Jul 24, 2014 7:49:33am

re: #299 sattv4u2

Secure and dismantle the rockets

(slight edit)

You run a school. how do you know how to dismantle rockets? What are you securing them with?

328 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Jul 24, 2014 7:51:06am

re: #310 Killgore Trout

Call the Israelis or make arrangements with the Egyptians to come pick them up. They’ve done it before.

When?

I think real concern for Palestinian civilians gets lost in the debate. Many who side with the Palestinian cause tend to make excuses for behavior and tactics that increase the risk to Palestinian civilians. The UN does pay a role in contributing to the risk and perpetuating the conflict.

Can you be clearer? What role does the UN play in contributing to the risk and perpetuating the conflict? If the UN flew in echelons of blue-helmets and were able to completely secure every UN site, how would that contribute to de-escalating the conflict?

329 Timothy Watson  Jul 24, 2014 7:51:21am

Peak wingnut at long last?

330 sattv4u2  Jul 24, 2014 7:52:29am

re: #327 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

You run a school. how do you know how to dismantle rockets? What are you securing them with?

If there are UN personal there for teaching purposes, there are also UN security personel FOR said teachers
SOP

331 wrenchwench  Jul 24, 2014 7:53:53am
332 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 24, 2014 7:53:56am

HURR HURR TYPICAL LIBTARD DEMOCRAT!!!! THEIR IS NO LIBTARDS WHO IS NOT LIKE THIS MEME I MADE UP!!!!!!

333 HappyWarrior  Jul 24, 2014 7:54:08am

re: #329 Timothy Watson

Peak wingnut at long last?

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Nothing’s definite but that’s certainly up there even for a shithead like Rush.

334 HappyWarrior  Jul 24, 2014 7:54:47am

re: #332 Pie-onist Overlord

HURR HURR TYPICAL LIBTARD DEMOCRAT!!!! THEIR IS NO LIBTARDS WHO IS NOT LIKE THIS MEME I MADE UP!!!!!!

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No bigotry there assholes.

335 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Jul 24, 2014 7:54:55am

re: #330 sattv4u2

If there are UN personal there for teaching purposes, there are also UN security personel FOR said teachers
SOP

Okay, why do you think a UN security person, assuming that there are actually security people at these schools, knows how to dismantle a rocket? You do understand that’s a rather specialized skill, right?

336 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 24, 2014 7:56:28am

And the dumbshit asshattery continues:

337 aagcobb  Jul 24, 2014 7:57:00am

Its funny; the plaintiff in Halbig v. Burwell to have standing to sue had to show an injury. His injury? Because of the subsidies, he could obtain an insurance policy for a premium of less than $2 per month, thus the subsidies made insurance affordable, forcing him to either pay about $20 annually to have health insurance or pay the individual mandate tax penalty. That’s right, according to conservatives dirt-cheap, decent health insurance coverage injures you.

338 sattv4u2  Jul 24, 2014 7:57:12am

re: #335 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

Okay, why do you think a UN security person, assuming that there are actually security people at these schools, knows how to dismantle a rocket? You do understand that’s a rather specialized skill, right?

why do you assume that, knowing it’s a place where there is heavy weaponry, the UN doesn’t have someone with that skill set there

339 Targetpractice  Jul 24, 2014 7:58:15am

re: #329 Timothy Watson

Peak wingnut at long last?

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This is actually tame by Erik Rush’s standards. Last year, he was promoting the idea that three generals had been “forced” to resign because they had stopped a plot by the President to detonate nukes in American cities as a false flag operation.

340 HappyWarrior  Jul 24, 2014 7:59:38am

re: #339 Targetpractice

This is actually tame by Erik Rush’s standards. Last year, he was promoting the idea that three generals had been “forced” to resign because they had stopped a plot by the President to detonate nukes in American cities as a false flag operation.

True, I had forgotten about that. I think Rush’s anti-Obama paranoia may be even more messed up than Alex Jones. Yet another fine find by FNC.

341 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 24, 2014 8:01:25am
342 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Jul 24, 2014 8:01:48am

re: #338 sattv4u2

why do you assume that, knowing it’s a place where there is heavy weaponry, the UN doesn’t have someone with that skill set there

I would assume the UN troops (if they were there) had some pretty specific rules of engagement. UN troops seem to me to be pretty toothless usually (see Rwanda, Bosnia, etc.).

343 Timothy Watson  Jul 24, 2014 8:02:05am

re: #340 HappyWarrior

True, I had forgotten about that. I think Rush’s anti-Obama paranoia may be even more messed up than Alex Jones. Yet another fine find by FNC.

I had forgotten about that too.

344 Feline Fearless Leader  Jul 24, 2014 8:02:09am

re: #319 sattv4u2

Heard there was some nasty weather in the area when the plane went missing

Of course, due to the tragedy on the Ukraine border, the reporter also “had’ to mention the area where the plane went down in Mali has some sporadic conflict going on too between rebels and the gov’t

If you look up the Wikipedia list of commercial air flight shoot-downs there are a number from west Africa in the late 1980s due to this or that guerrilla war going on.

en.wikipedia.org

345 lawhawk  Jul 24, 2014 8:02:27am

re: missiles found in UNRWA school

UNRWA is a civilian agency. It does have some security personnel, but not EOD. That’s not their job, nor is it their job description.

They are required to notify the local authorities to take the weapons away should they come across unexploded ordnance. The PA is nominally the authority in charge (and Hamas claims to have reconciled with Fatah), but Hamas controls Gaza.

So, who exactly came to take away the weapons isn’t entirely clear. UNRWA says that they reported the weapons to Ramallah (where the PA is located), and local police took away the weapons.

But again, the local police are essentially under Hamas control.

Egypt has no authority here. Nor would Israel - it is not an occupying power in Gaza, and UNRWA is not supposed to take sides per its mandate. However, it would appear that handing the missiles over to the local police is essentially handing these weapons back to Hamas.

346 HappyWarrior  Jul 24, 2014 8:03:04am

re: #343 Timothy Watson

I had forgotten about that too.

I bet Mr. Rush’s therapist gets the big bucks. “No, Erik, Obama is not under your bed, we’ve been through this.”

347 Feline Fearless Leader  Jul 24, 2014 8:03:17am

re: #327 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

You run a school. how do you know how to dismantle rockets? What are you securing them with?

If it was Possum Lodge, definitely duct tape.
/ ;p

348 Targetpractice  Jul 24, 2014 8:04:29am

re: #341 Pie-onist Overlord

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If anything, it would have sped up the Holocaust. Anybody who has spent even a few minutes reading up on the subject knows that one of the original impediments to orderly execution was the number of soldiers who refused to shoot unarmed civilians. Even threats of being executed alongside those civilians did little. They’d have had less compunction against shooting armed and rebellious Jews.

349 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Jul 24, 2014 8:04:37am

re: #338 sattv4u2

why do you assume that, knowing it’s a place where there is heavy weaponry, the UN doesn’t have someone with that skill set there

Because they’re not charged with disposal of heavy ordnance, but protecting the school.

Basic fucking common sense, really.

350 GlutenFreeJesus  Jul 24, 2014 8:04:39am

re: #157 Pie-onist Overlord

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I have a bad feeling about this. Hamas is going to deliberately go after commercial airlines now.

351 HappyWarrior  Jul 24, 2014 8:05:47am

re: #348 Targetpractice

If anything, it would have sped up the Holocaust. Anybody who has spent even a few minutes reading up on the subject knows that one of the original impediments to orderly execution was the number of soldiers who refused to shoot unarmed civilians. Even threats of being executed alongside those civilians did little. They’d have had less compunction against shooting armed and rebellious Jews.

It would have also be a coup for Goebells and the propaganda ministry which goes with your point about soldiers being more willing to shoot armed and rebellious Jews.

352 sattv4u2  Jul 24, 2014 8:06:24am

dammit

Planning on making Chicken Marsala for the family dinner tonight and forgot to get the Marsala wine

re: #349 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

Because they’re not charged with disposal of heavy ordnance, but protecting the school.

Basic fucking common sense, really.

Yup,,, makes perfect sense to have trained personnel where there is an ongoing conflict known to have heavy ordnance about

353 Timothy Watson  Jul 24, 2014 8:07:33am
354 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Jul 24, 2014 8:07:55am

re: #352 sattv4u2

Yup,,, makes perfect sense to have trained personnel where there is an ongoing conflict known to have heavy ordnance about

You’re not really clear on what the UN does in these territories, are you?

355 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 24, 2014 8:07:57am

re: #348 Targetpractice

If anything, it would have sped up the Holocaust. Anybody who has spent even a few minutes reading up on the subject knows that one of the original impediments to orderly execution was the number of soldiers who refused to shoot unarmed civilians. Even threats of being executed alongside those civilians did little. They’d have had less compunction against shooting armed and rebellious Jews.

The occupying Germans recruited the eager assistance of local Polish and Ukrainians in rounding up and executing the Jews. That is why we have so many elderly war criminals, they avoided scrutiny after the war by claiming to be Polish or Ukrainian “victims” of the nazis.

356 wheat-dogghazi  Jul 24, 2014 8:08:11am

re: #336 Pie-onist Overlord

In what alternate universe did that happen? Must have been the one where Obama has a goatee. Lawyers don’t admit in court that their client’s falsified anything, or that evidence that supports their case was faked.

357 sattv4u2  Jul 24, 2014 8:08:24am

bbl

Marsala Wine run

358 Feline Fearless Leader  Jul 24, 2014 8:08:42am

re: #354 Rev_Arthur_Belling

You’re not really clear on what the UN does in these territories, are you?

He seems pretty clear that they don’t do anything he approves of.
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359 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 24, 2014 8:08:48am

re: #350 GlutenFreeJesus

I have a bad feeling about this. Hamas is going to deliberately go after commercial airlines now.

What makes you think they haven’t wanted to do that all along, but don’t have the capability?

360 wheat-dogghazi  Jul 24, 2014 8:09:24am

re: #357 sattv4u2

bbl

Marsala Wine run

Must be a short event. Any longer and the runners would go off course.

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361 lawhawk  Jul 24, 2014 8:09:26am

re: #350 GlutenFreeJesus

I have a bad feeling about this. Hamas is going to deliberately go after commercial airlines now.

The FAA issued the stop order because a rocket hit near Ben Gurion airport. It didn’t issue the order because of a threat from SAMs (either MANPAD or advanced surface to air systems like the one that apparently downed MH17). It isn’t believed that Hamas has either of those kinds of systems at its disposal, so the threat is primarily in trying to disrupt flight activities on the ground - hitting a parked or taxiing plane or other airport infrastructure.

The concern was/is that Hamas might unleash further barrages against the airport.

362 Bulworth  Jul 24, 2014 8:09:48am

re:
#337

These are Very Serious People…..

363 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 24, 2014 8:10:00am

re: #356 wheat-dogghazi

In what alternate universe did that happen? Must have been the one where Obama has a goatee. Lawyers don’t admit in court that their client’s falsified anything, or that evidence that supports their case was faked.

In the alternate universe of Wingnut Birther Derangement, where Romney won the election but CHICAGO ELEKSHUN FRAUD!!!!!! prevented him from claiming victory.

364 NJDhockeyfan  Jul 24, 2014 8:10:08am

re: #345 lawhawk

The big question is how was Hamas able to store 20 rockets in the school without the UN’s knowledge? Wouldn’t you think they know who is coming and going in the school and someone entering the school with rockets would be noticed?

365 Franklin Brewsevelt  Jul 24, 2014 8:10:17am
366 HappyWarrior  Jul 24, 2014 8:10:52am

re: #365 Franklin Brewsevelt

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But but Facebook is in Obama’s pocket.

367 Ian G.  Jul 24, 2014 8:10:59am

re: #332 Pie-onist Overlord

HURR HURR TYPICAL LIBTARD DEMOCRAT!!!! THEIR IS NO LIBTARDS WHO IS NOT LIKE THIS MEME I MADE UP!!!!!!

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All the elderly people who pull the lever for the GOP also believe they’re entitled to government money aka my tax dollars (Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security). Funny how old white people never make it into these memes…..

368 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Jul 24, 2014 8:11:00am

re: #352 sattv4u2

Yup,,, makes perfect sense to have trained personnel where there is an ongoing conflict known to have heavy ordnance about

If you’re a military, yes. If you’re a school? No, it doesn’t.

369 HappyWarrior  Jul 24, 2014 8:11:37am

re: #367 Ian G.

All the elderly people who pull the lever for the GOP also believe they’re entitled to government money aka my tax dollars (Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security). Funny how old white people never make it into these memes…..

That’s a coincidence I’m sure.

370 Feline Fearless Leader  Jul 24, 2014 8:12:26am

re: #367 Ian G.

All the elderly people who pull the lever for the GOP also believe they’re entitled to government money aka my tax dollars (Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security). Funny how old white people never make it into these memes…..

But those old white people earned all that with the sweat of their brow.
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371 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 24, 2014 8:12:58am

re: #365 Franklin Brewsevelt

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Nothing violates Facebook standards except breast cancer. Oh and vintage Coppertone ads.

372 Timothy Watson  Jul 24, 2014 8:13:10am

re: #356 wheat-dogghazi

In what alternate universe did that happen? Must have been the one where Obama has a goatee. Lawyers don’t admit in court that their client’s falsified anything, or that evidence that supports their case was faked.

I think this is what the nutjobs are talking about (link to debunking site):
Shocking video: Obama’s attorney doesn’t admit birth certificate is a forgery

373 Ian G.  Jul 24, 2014 8:13:12am

re: #341 Pie-onist Overlord

Wasn’t the Warsaw Uprising a bunch of random citizens with guns resisting the Nazis? Yeah, that didn’t work out to well. If anything, it made the Poles even weaker when facing the eventual occupation by Stalin.

Brilliant logic there, wingnuts.

374 HappyWarrior  Jul 24, 2014 8:13:57am

There was a great point made here not that long ago actually about how these social programs were pretty much accepted when they were restricted mostly to whites but as soon as racial minorities were allowed to get them. Everyone somehow pulled themselves up by their own bootstraps with no government at all.

375 wheat-dogghazi  Jul 24, 2014 8:16:35am

re: #372 Timothy Watson

So, they did the Jim Hoft thing where you read something quickly and conclude it says the exact opposite of what it really says, then blog about what you think you read.

376 NJDhockeyfan  Jul 24, 2014 8:17:30am
377 HappyWarrior  Jul 24, 2014 8:18:16am

it’s also pretty telling that Eugene Debs and the Socialist Party had some of their best runs in what are now bright red states. I don’t buy that Republican voters oppose “big government”, I believe they have a problem with other people (read not white) getting the same benefits they get hence government hands off my medicare and why you see so many TPers who are on government assistance. I don’t care or have a problem helping them out but the hypocrisy pisses me off.

378 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 24, 2014 8:19:20am

Jerusalem and Tel Aviv are not war zones, dipshit.

379 lawhawk  Jul 24, 2014 8:24:52am

re: #364 NJDhockeyfan

The big question is how was Hamas able to store 20 rockets in the school without the UN’s knowledge? Wouldn’t you think they know who is coming and going in the school and someone entering the school with rockets would be noticed?

The school building was abandoned or closed. UNRWA should do a better job policing its facilities, but we have no way to know when those rockets were put there, let alone whether there was complicity between Hamas and some UNRWA official/worker.

We know that UNRWA reported the find (and a second one the prior week) - verifying what Israel had long believed - that Hamas was using UNRWA sites for storing weapons. That opens the door for Israel to believe that Hamas stashed weapons at other locations UNRWA operates. It puts all those Gazans seeking refuge at UNRWA facilities in harms way.

Moreover, it’s clear that Hamas has no problem operating in and among civilians, including at al Shifra Hospital in Gaza City.

But because they can blend in with civilians (they’re not wearing uniforms), they can slip in and out unnoticed. [Supposition warning]: It’s further possible that Hamas brought in these particular weapons piece by piece, and then put them together on site. By themselves, the parts wouldn’t look like much - plumbing or HVAC components, but reassembled and you’ve got missiles.

380 Killgore Trout  Jul 24, 2014 8:26:56am

re: #376 NJDhockeyfan

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That still counts as civilian casualties and a PR victory for Hamas.

381 NJDhockeyfan  Jul 24, 2014 8:28:16am

re: #378 Pie-onist Overlord

Jerusalem and Tel Aviv are not war zones, dipshit.

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My friend’s son in Tel Aviv got called up by the reserves on Saturday. I was over their house on Sunday and she was telling me they were being careful keeping that information from his grandmother. As she was telling me this grandma called. She said she just got off the phone with G and he told her he just got called up. He doesn’t know what he going to be doing yet. I hope he doesn’t get sent to the front lines.

382 Killgore Trout  Jul 24, 2014 8:30:15am

re: #379 lawhawk

[Supposition warning]: It’s further possible that Hamas brought in these particular weapons piece by piece, and then put them together on site. By themselves, the parts wouldn’t look like much - plumbing or HVAC components, but reassembled and you’ve got missiles.

I also find it likely that there is at least some tacit support, if not cooperation, from people in these civilians sites. Hospital workers, techers, administrators almost certainly know when rockets are launched nearby and when combatants are in their facilities.

383 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Jul 24, 2014 8:32:10am

re: #382 Killgore Trout

I also find it likely that there is at least some tacit support, if not cooperation, from people in these civilians sites. Hospital workers, techers, administrators almost certainly know when rockets are launched nearby and when combatants are in their facilities.

Or tacit fear.

384 lawhawk  Jul 24, 2014 8:33:16am

So, there was some kind of rocket/missile attack that hit a UNRWA facility today. Multiple casualties due to exploding ordnance at a UN-run school in Beit Hanoun - at least 15 dead and 100+ injured. UNRWA is so far avoiding blaming Israel for the attacks.

Palestinian sources blame Israeli tank fire. IDF is checking on those reports .

Meanwhile, Haaretz reports that in yesterday’s incident near Wafa hospital, Hamas forces had just launched a anti-tank missile from a hospital building when IDF forces returned fire at the attackers. The IDF also hit another structure off hospital grounds, hitting an ammo dump in the process.

385 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Jul 24, 2014 8:33:22am

re: #382 Killgore Trout

Were you paying attention to the bit about the school being abandoned, or are you just back in “Barely Following the Conversation” Killgore mode again?

And what do you expect, beyond ‘cooperation’, from civilians when a military decides to use their house, school, hospital as a base of operations? That they fight them? They sometimes do, and get beaten and/or murdered.

386 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Jul 24, 2014 8:34:25am

Those Belgians in WWII must have tacitly approved of the Nazis setting up shop in their houses, obviously.

/

387 Killgore Trout  Jul 24, 2014 8:34:47am

re: #383 Rev_Arthur_Belling

Or tacit fear.

I have no doubt there’s an element of fear and intimidation as well. The UN has to make some difficult choices in areas with Taliban, al Qaeda, ISIS, Boko Haram, etc. Sometimes it’s too dangerous to operate in certain areas.

388 NJDhockeyfan  Jul 24, 2014 8:35:59am
389 lawhawk  Jul 24, 2014 8:36:14am

BTW, this is the same correspondent that some were claiming had an anti-Israel bias and that he was pulled from coverage because of that bias by higher-ups at NBC News.

390 Feline Fearless Leader  Jul 24, 2014 8:37:41am

re: #384 lawhawk

So, there was some kind of rocket/missile attack that hit a UNRWA facility today. Multiple casualties due to exploding ordnance at a UN-run school in Beit Hanoun - at least 15 dead and 100+ injured. UNRWA is so far avoiding blaming Israel for the attacks.

Palestinian sources blame Israeli tank fire. IDF is checking on those reports .

Meanwhile, Haaretz reports that in yesterday’s incident near Wafa hospital, Hamas forces had just launched a anti-tank missile from a hospital building when IDF forces returned fire at the attackers. The IDF also hit another structure off hospital grounds, hitting an ammo dump in the process.

NBC News is reporting it explicitly as an Israeli shell. Presumably via the same Health Ministry official as the other report.

nbcnews.com

391 Lidane  Jul 24, 2014 8:38:55am
392 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Jul 24, 2014 8:39:04am

re: #387 Killgore Trout

I have no doubt there’s an element of fear and intimidation as well. The UN has to make some difficult choices in areas with Taliban, al Qaeda, ISIS, Boko Haram, etc. Sometimes it’s too dangerous to operate in certain areas.

But you didn’t mention fear.

I also find it likely that there is at least some tacit support, if not cooperation, from people in these civilians sites. Hospital workers, techers, administrators almost certainly know when rockets are launched nearby and when combatants are in their facilities.

I highly doubt that hospital workers and teachers support storing ammunition in those settings.

393 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 24, 2014 8:39:04am

Teh Anti Ghey still Derping at me.

394 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jul 24, 2014 8:39:46am

re: #393 Pie-onist Overlord

Teh Anti Ghey still Derping at me.

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The plain sense of virgins giving birth and dead people getting up and walking around. Right.

395 HappyWarrior  Jul 24, 2014 8:40:37am

re: #391 Lidane

Skewed numbers!

Poll: Most Americans Say People Are Better Off Under Obamacare

And that’s what Republicans are most afraid of. People being better off under a legislation they have done everything to ruin.

396 Targetpractice  Jul 24, 2014 8:44:53am

re: #391 Lidane

Skewed numbers!

Poll: Most Americans Say People Are Better Off Under Obamacare

A majority of Americans think it’s helping rather than hurting and 57% either approve of the law or think it doesn’t go far enough. Over 5 years later and the GOP still hasn’t managed to convince enough folks that Obamacare is the “WORST THING EVAH!!!”

397 HappyWarrior  Jul 24, 2014 8:46:21am

re: #396 Targetpractice

A majority of Americans think it’s helping rather than hurting and 57% either approve of the law or think it doesn’t go far enough. Over 5 years later and the GOP still hasn’t managed to convince enough folks that Obamacare is the “WORST THING EVAH!!!”

Their best hope was having the Supreme Court overturn it. That didn’t happen so we’re relegated to Ted Cruz’s bullshit.

398 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Jul 24, 2014 8:46:28am

re: #396 Targetpractice

A majority of Americans think it’s helping rather than hurting and 57% either approve of the law or think it doesn’t go far enough. Over 5 years later and the GOP still hasn’t managed to convince enough folks that Obamacare is the “WORST THING EVAH!!!”

Which is why they’ve turned to the courts to try to chip away at ACA bit by bit. Psychopaths.

399 NJDhockeyfan  Jul 24, 2014 8:49:38am
400 Targetpractice  Jul 24, 2014 8:51:50am

re: #398 Rev_Arthur_Belling

Which is why they’ve turned to the courts to try to chip away at ACA bit by bit. Psychopaths.

Indeed, chip away at enough of it that the misery begins to set in, which they hope to exploit in order to turn people against the law itself. Their latest bit is subsidies, which they’re gleefully hoping will be struck down by SCOTUS before the full DC appeals court can overturn the 3-judge ruling, as then they can tell those whose taxes have suddenly doubled that it’s the President’s fault.

402 Bulworth  Jul 24, 2014 8:54:52am

Steve M at No More Mister Nice Blog neatly summarizes the RWNJ attempt to scuttle the ACA subsidies for people living in states that didn’t set up their own exchanges:

This echoes what Cato Institute lawyer Michael Cannon, a driving force behind the Halbig suit, wrote after the ruling came down:

.. a victory for the Halbig plaintiffs would not increase anyone’s premiums. What it would do is prevent the IRS from shifting the burden of those premiums from enrollees to taxpayers. Premiums for federal-Exchange enrollees would not rise, but those enrollees would face the full cost of their “ObamaCare” plans.

In other words, if you accept a subidy, you’re a parasite. There are two types of people: the subsidized and “taxpayers.” No one, according to Cannon, is both. This is objectively untrue, but it’s the right’s message, and the implicit question is: Which side are you on?

And of course, a hallmark of our employer-based healthcare system is that everyone, every single person pays the full cost of his or her own health insurance. Just like in this dream scenario from Cato. These are really awful people.

nomoremister.blogspot.com

403 Killgore Trout  Jul 24, 2014 8:55:36am

re: #392 Rev_Arthur_Belling

I highly doubt that hospital workers and teachers support storing ammunition in those settings.

It only takes a few supporters and the rest willing to stay silent. Hamas aren’t ninjas, they can’t sneak in and out this frequently without being seen. Rocket launches are obvious to everybody. I’m pretty sure the vast majority of people who work in these facilities know what’s going on.

404 NJDhockeyfan  Jul 24, 2014 8:57:49am
405 Targetpractice  Jul 24, 2014 9:01:56am

re: #402 Bulworth

Steve M at No More Mister Nice Blog neatly summarizes the RWNJ attempt to scuttle the ACA subsidies for people living in states that didn’t set up their own exchanges:

And of course, a hallmark of our employer-based healthcare system is that everyone, every single person pays the full cost of his or her own health insurance. Just like in this dream scenario from Cato. These are really awful people.

nomoremister.blogspot.com

First commenter hits it out of the park:

Oddly enough, people who accept that whopping tax subsidy for having a mortgage are not parasites, unless they’re middle-income.

(Some people may remember that other interest payments, such as credit-card interest, used to be deductible too, until too many of hoi polloi had major interest expenses.)

406 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Jul 24, 2014 9:02:10am

re: #403 Killgore Trout

It only takes a few supporters and the rest willing to stay silent. Hamas aren’t ninjas, they can’t sneak in and out this frequently without being seen. Rocket launches are obvious to everybody. I’m pretty sure the vast majority of people who work in these facilities know what’s going on.

Willing or too scared to say anything. I never said Hamas were ninjas. But they do carry guns, and are known to be on the radical side. People may know what’s going on, but that doesn’t mean they would be willing to put their necks on the line to say something, and I can’t say that I blame them.

You’re putting a lot of volition on these hospital/school workers in a situation where there are other people with guns and a huge network of support.

407 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Jul 24, 2014 9:05:06am

re: #404 NJDhockeyfan

Not doubting the story, but could we get a better source than the Daily Mail(Fail)?

408 lawhawk  Jul 24, 2014 9:06:00am

re: #406 Rev_Arthur_Belling

Willing or too scared to say anything. I never said Hamas were ninjas. But they do carry guns, and are known to be on the radical side. People may know what’s going on, but that doesn’t mean they would be willing to put their necks on the line to say something, and I can’t say that I blame them.

You’re putting a lot of volition on these hospital/school workers in a situation where there are other people with guns and a huge network of support.

Hamas is well-known for executing people they consider to be collaborators. Defenestration being among the methods used. So, if you’re going to inform UNRWA that there are missiles or bombs in a UNRWA facility, Hamas might consider that to be the act of a collaborationist.

409 Bulworth  Jul 24, 2014 9:06:22am

re:
#405

Which might explain the interest in the RWNJ thinky tanky world that the mortgage interest deduction should be eliminated, too, so we can haz a glorious Flat Fair Tax. Hurr hurr won’t change the price of houses just make all middle class poors bare the full cost of their houses HURRHURR

410 lawhawk  Jul 24, 2014 9:07:02am
411 wrenchwench  Jul 24, 2014 9:07:38am
412 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Jul 24, 2014 9:08:19am

re: #411 wrenchwench

very cool! might need to order some of those.

413 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 24, 2014 9:10:34am
414 Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 24, 2014 9:10:49am

re: #407 Rev_Arthur_Belling

Not doubting the story, but could we get a better source than the Daily Mail(Fail)?

The story was also posted here I last night using (I think) a different source.

415 Dr Lizardo  Jul 24, 2014 9:11:16am

re: #413 Pie-onist Overlord

Florida Man (or men, in this case) strikes again!

416 Varek Raith  Jul 24, 2014 9:12:02am

re: #413 Pie-onist Overlord

[Embedded content]

Florida!
XD

417 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Jul 24, 2014 9:12:08am

re: #408 lawhawk

Hamas is well-known for executing people they consider to be collaborators. Defenestration being among the methods used. So, if you’re going to inform UNRWA that there are missiles or bombs in a UNRWA facility, Hamas might consider that to be the act of a collaborationist.

This is very much the dynamic I would say is at work here. I’m sure most people just want to live their lives in peace. Kicking sand at the neighborhood bully isn’t going to further that goal. No need to posit active collaboration/support with Hamas when “put your head down and do your work” explains things much more simply.

418 NJDhockeyfan  Jul 24, 2014 9:12:15am

Uh oh, not good…

419 ObserverArt  Jul 24, 2014 9:12:54am

re: #385 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

Were you paying attention to the bit about the school being abandoned, or are you just back in “Barely Following the Conversation” Killgore mode again?

And what do you expect, beyond ‘cooperation’, from civilians when a military decides to use their house, school, hospital as a base of operations? That they fight them? They sometimes do, and get beaten and/or murdered.

Oh…I see the problem. Abandoned schools make great places to store rockets…so the UN and others charged with security should have been doubly aware.

Or something.

/// Now my head hurts…

420 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Jul 24, 2014 9:13:33am

re: #414 Eclectic Cyborg

The story was also posted here I last night using (I think) a different source.

I didn’t see that. Sometimes comments fly by around here at an incredible rate. Like I said, I’m not doubting the details, just that Daily Mail is a shit source.

421 wrenchwench  Jul 24, 2014 9:17:47am

re: #414 Eclectic Cyborg

The story was also posted here I last night using (I think) a different source.

I posted a tweet lacking verification. I’m still waiting too.

422 Lidane  Jul 24, 2014 9:19:03am

HOWITZERS AND TACTICAL NUKES FOR EVERYBODY!

Jody Hice Says The Second Amendment Gives Citizens The Right To Own ‘Cannons And Bazookas And Missiles’

“It is my belief that any, any, any, any weapon that our government and law enforcement possesses,” Hice said, “ought to be allowed for individuals to possess in this country.”

Apparently this applies to tanks, fighter jets, and even nuclear weapons because, Hice argued, so long as people can pay for them and don’t have a criminal record, they have a right to protect themselves from a tyrannical government with the same weapons that the government can use against them.

“The Second Amendment,” he said, “is about us defending ourselves against potentially tyrannical government. You cannot defend yourself with a BB gun if your opponent has cannons and bazookas and missiles”:

423 Bulworth  Jul 24, 2014 9:19:10am

Richard Mayhew, writing at Balloon Juice, isn’t joining the media’s breathless hysterics in response to Tuesday’s ruling against the ACA’s subsidies for states without their own exchanges:

And why am I not particularly worried? The government can ask for the entire active DC Court of Appeals to hear the case as a body. En Banc review is used for high profile cases or where the vast majority of the circuit thinks their colleagues fucked up big time.

The DC Court of Appeals currently has a 7-4 Democratic appointee majority and they’ll apply normal administrative law procedures to this case and tell their colleagues that they are fucking hacks in appropriately judgy language. Assuming the en banc review goes the way I think it does, all circuits will then agree that the IRS has the right to interpret ambiguous law as it sees fit as long as the interpretation passes a rationale basis/giggle test . If there is an all circuit agreement, the Supreme will have a real hard time taking the case to gut Red State subsidies.

Read more—
balloon-juice.com

424 Rightwingconspirator  Jul 24, 2014 9:20:39am

re: #422 Lidane

HOWITZERS AND TACTICAL NUKES FOR EVERYBODY!

Jody Hice Says The Second Amendment Gives Citizens The Right To Own ‘Cannons And Bazookas And Missiles’

As soon as she can show she can pick up and put a tank in her hand or on her shoulder she will be right. Until then, ummmm nope.

Does he also believe in a flat earth?

Edited gender, as I had never heard of this person before now.

425 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Jul 24, 2014 9:21:32am

re: #423 Bulworth

Richard Mayhew, writing at Balloon Juice, isn’t joining the media’s breathless hysterics in response to Tuesday’s ruling against the ACA’s subsidies for states without their own exchanges:

Read more—
balloon-juice.com

Richard Mayhew is one of John Cole’s best co-bloggers that he’s invited to the site. Very measured.

426 Varek Raith  Jul 24, 2014 9:21:33am

re: #422 Lidane

HOWITZERS AND TACTICAL NUKES FOR EVERYBODY!

Jody Hice Says The Second Amendment Gives Citizens The Right To Own ‘Cannons And Bazookas And Missiles’

I’ll be selling orbiting ion cannons to anyone who wants one.

427 Killgore Trout  Jul 24, 2014 9:22:36am

re: #408 lawhawk

Hamas is well-known for executing people they consider to be collaborators. Defenestration being among the methods used. So, if you’re going to inform UNRWA that there are missiles or bombs in a UNRWA facility, Hamas might consider that to be the act of a collaborationist.

…And that’s one of the reasons there’s little/no viable moderate political activity in the Palestinian territories. Anyone more reasonable than Fatah would be killed as a Israeli collaborator and even Fatah walks a fine line between armed resistance and building a civil society.

428 Rightwingconspirator  Jul 24, 2014 9:22:42am

re: #426 Varek Raith

LAPD wants three, but they have to be 12lb trigger and double action only.

429 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Jul 24, 2014 9:22:55am

re: #426 Varek Raith

I’ll be selling orbiting ion cannons to anyone who wants one.

Can I get a quote on an EMP?

430 Targetpractice  Jul 24, 2014 9:26:00am

re: #423 Bulworth

Richard Mayhew, writing at Balloon Juice, isn’t joining the media’s breathless hysterics in response to Tuesday’s ruling against the ACA’s subsidies for states without their own exchanges:

Read more—
balloon-juice.com

I want to believe it’ll end with the full DC court overturning the ruling, but I get a feeling that the same Roberts court that overturned decades of judicial precedent with Hobby Lobby might be too tempted by the possibility of torpedoing the law to think twice about overturning even more precedent.

431 HappyWarrior  Jul 24, 2014 9:27:48am

re: #422 Lidane

HOWITZERS AND TACTICAL NUKES FOR EVERYBODY!

Jody Hice Says The Second Amendment Gives Citizens The Right To Own ‘Cannons And Bazookas And Missiles’

And the nut has a great chance of winning too. He’s also fanatically anti-gay too but don’t worry the GOP is rebranding.

432 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 24, 2014 9:28:34am
433 NJDhockeyfan  Jul 24, 2014 9:29:05am

re: #421 wrenchwench

I posted a tweet lacking verification. I’m still waiting too.

Geez, does this news website pass the info test here?

news.com.au

434 lawhawk  Jul 24, 2014 9:29:41am

re: #426 Varek Raith

I’ll be selling orbiting ion cannons to anyone who wants one.

I’ve got a Shadow Death Cloud. And some red mercury for those who like their devastation a little more localized.

435 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Jul 24, 2014 9:29:49am

re: #432 Pie-onist Overlord

It’s interesting how close they’ll come to the WPA model, but won’t provide any of those jobs.

436 RealityBasedSteve  Jul 24, 2014 9:32:00am

re: #426 Varek Raith

I’ll be selling orbiting ion cannons to anyone who wants one.

How much is that illudium Q-36 explosive space modulator in the window?

RBS

437 Eventual Carrion  Jul 24, 2014 9:34:09am

re: #364 NJDhockeyfan

The big question is how was Hamas able to store 20 rockets in the school without the UN’s knowledge? Wouldn’t you think they know who is coming and going in the school and someone entering the school with rockets would be noticed?

Unless there was a tunnel they were using.

438 wrenchwench  Jul 24, 2014 9:35:41am

re: #433 NJDhockeyfan

Geez, does this news website pass the info test here?

news.com.au

Still lacks specific confirmation.

A special team is monitoring passengers’ accounts but has not detected any fraudulent activity.

Don’t take an attitude about sourcing. You have a poor record.

439 Timothy Watson  Jul 24, 2014 9:36:13am

The next “classic rock” station which plays anything from Nirvana is going to get slapped, because dammit if those are “classic” than so am I. :(

440 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Jul 24, 2014 9:36:17am

re: #433 NJDhockeyfan

Geez, does this news website pass the info test here?

news.com.au

That news site is owned by News Corp., Rupert Murdoch’s “news” operation. The sourcing is still sketchy (reports, a Ukranian minister), but it’s a few steps above the Daily Fail, which is tabloid fodder in the UK.

The problem with the Internet and news sourcing is that there are many sites that post click-bait without a care in the world whether it is real information or just bullshit. I have very little doubt that this kind of credit card shenanigans happened, but I am doubtful more and more about the reporting of so-called journalists.

441 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Jul 24, 2014 9:36:46am

re: #422 Lidane

HOWITZERS AND TACTICAL NUKES FOR EVERYBODY!

Jody Hice Says The Second Amendment Gives Citizens The Right To Own ‘Cannons And Bazookas And Missiles’

Does that mean if I can afford it I can build my very own Ratte?

442 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Jul 24, 2014 9:37:13am

re: #433 NJDhockeyfan

Geez, does this news website pass the info test here?

news.com.au

Why is it such an effort for you to find good sources? Why do you always post shit from the Daily Mail, white supremacists, and other random stuff? Can you explain your thought process that leads you to believe those are okay sources?

443 Varek Raith  Jul 24, 2014 9:41:47am

re: #441 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

Does that mean if I can afford it I can build my very own Ratte?

Super battle tanks for everyone!

444 HappyWarrior  Jul 24, 2014 9:42:42am

re: #443 Varek Raith

Super battle tanks for everyone!

You’re getting a brand new Sherman tank!

445 lawhawk  Jul 24, 2014 9:43:18am

re: #443 Varek Raith

Only if I get an A-10. /Death From Above!

446 Dr Lizardo  Jul 24, 2014 9:43:23am

re: #443 Varek Raith

Super battle tanks for everyone!

I want one of these!!

Now we shall discuss the terms of your capitulation over a nice cup of coffee.

447 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Jul 24, 2014 9:44:08am

re: #444 HappyWarrior

You’re getting a brand new Sherman tank!

I wouldn’t mind owning a sherman just because they are iconic tanks.

448 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Jul 24, 2014 9:44:30am

re: #445 lawhawk

Only if I get an A-10. /Death From Above!

I would have to have one of those and an apache.

449 RealityBasedSteve  Jul 24, 2014 9:44:51am

re: #443 Varek Raith

Super battle tanks for everyone!

Tarkus, The new Hybrid.

450 Timothy Watson  Jul 24, 2014 9:44:51am

1 AH-1 Supercobra please.

451 Varek Raith  Jul 24, 2014 9:47:26am

re: #446 Dr Lizardo

I want one of these!!

Now we shall discuss the terms of your capitulation over a nice cup of coffee.

You there, in the blue car, pull over!

452 goddamnedfrank  Jul 24, 2014 9:49:20am

re: #424 Rightwingconspirator

As soon as she can show …

Jody Hice is a dude.

Cognitive dissonance is believing that Iran’s nascent nuclear program is an existential threat to Israel and also that the Klan should be able to stockpile Sarin tipped cruise missiles.

453 Lidane  Jul 24, 2014 9:52:31am

re: #436 RealityBasedSteve

How much is that illudium Q-36 explosive space modulator in the window?

RBS

It’s all fun and games until the illudium Q-36 explosive space modulator fails:

454 Varek Raith  Jul 24, 2014 9:52:35am
455 Charles Johnson  Jul 24, 2014 9:54:48am

And that isn’t all. The article makes it clear that Jebreal deliberately misled people about her status with MSNBC.

456 wrenchwench  Jul 24, 2014 9:55:16am

re: #448 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

I would have to have one of those and an apache.

Around here if you said you wanted to own an Apache, you’d get side-eyed so bad it might be fatal.

457 Timothy Watson  Jul 24, 2014 9:55:51am

re: #453 Lidane

It’s all fun and games until the illudium Q-36 explosive space modulator fails:

[Embedded image]

I could also use some elerium to power my new flying saucer.

458 lawhawk  Jul 24, 2014 9:56:46am

re: #457 Timothy Watson

Will this ZPM do?

459 Timothy Watson  Jul 24, 2014 9:57:29am

re: #458 lawhawk

Will this ZPM do?

Is it a ZPM or a Zed-PM? :)

460 NJDhockeyfan  Jul 24, 2014 9:58:05am

This cupcake truck sounds like a fun place to hang out.
//

461 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Jul 24, 2014 9:59:18am

re: #460 NJDhockeyfan

This cupcake truck sounds like a fun place to hang out.
//

Ironically what the Zionist pigs are doing to Palestinian Arabs today is exactly what Hitler and the Nazi’s did to them

Way to Godwin! //

462 Lidane  Jul 24, 2014 9:59:56am

Boehner: GOP ‘Not There Yet’ On A Plan To Replace Obamacare

No plan to replace it, but they sure as shit are going to spend the rest of Obama’s term trying to destroy it. Assholes.

463 Franklin Brewsevelt  Jul 24, 2014 10:00:18am

Yeah, their branding and marketing via twitter is something to behold:

464 Timothy Watson  Jul 24, 2014 10:02:55am

re: #463 Franklin Brewsevelt

Yeah, their branding and marketing via twitter is something to behold:

[Embedded content]

Who are these people?

465 lawhawk  Jul 24, 2014 10:03:42am

re: #463 Franklin Brewsevelt

These guys are complete asshats:

466 Charles Johnson  Jul 24, 2014 10:05:03am

Wow, that TPM article is very interesting in light of all the outrage over Jebreal’s statements claiming MSNBC is biased against Palestinians. She misrepresented her employment status and exaggerated many of her claims. This is her website - notice the title: Rula Jebreal | Palestinian Journalist Author and Screenwriter.

Rula Jebreal Clarifies Departure From MSNBC: If I Wanted to Stay, I Would Have

TPM pointed out that in the title of her website, rulajebreal.net, she is referred to as a “Palestinian Journalist Author and Screenwriter.”

“But the website is rulajebreal.net. It’s not RulaJebreal.PalestinianJournalist. This is not me,” she said, inviting TPM to visit her website.

“If you open my website, which is rulajebreal.net — if you want to be accurate — open my website, rulajebreal.net. It does not say ‘Palestinian journalist,’” Jebreal said. “It does not say that at all, anywhere ‘Palestinian.’”

But it absolutely does, right there in the freaking title of the site.

I smell careerism - taking advantage of a controversy to advance her career and make herself the story.

467 Dr Lizardo  Jul 24, 2014 10:05:57am

re: #464 Timothy Watson

I don’t entirely know, but if their Tweets are any indication, they’re deranged, that’s for damn sure.

468 Bubblehead II  Jul 24, 2014 10:09:53am

re: #442 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

Why is it such an effort for you to find good sources? Why do you always post shit from the Daily Mail, white supremacists, and other random stuff? Can you explain your thought process that leads you to believe those are okay sources?

Try these two.

Hearaldsun and the The Australian.

Herald Sun is reporting that this credit card fraud is in fact occurring.

“This comes as MH17 victims’ stolen credit cards and phones have also been used, “destroying” grieving families.”

469 Varek Raith  Jul 24, 2014 10:10:16am

re: #467 Dr Lizardo

I don’t entirely know, but if their Tweets are any indication, they’re deranged, that’s for damn sure.

cupcakecrewnyc.com

470 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Jul 24, 2014 10:15:02am

re: #468 Bubblehead II

Apparently based on a CNN report.

471 Bubblehead II  Jul 24, 2014 10:21:21am

re: #470 Rev_Arthur_Belling

Apparently based on a CNN report.

Well until the Banks actually verify that there have been attempts to use a stolen cards(s) all this is pretty much speculation.

472 Patricia Kayden  Jul 24, 2014 10:22:42am

re: #29 ausador

I see that the RWNJ disinformation campaign about birth control pills has taken root and begun bearing fruit already. Seeing more and more ignorant comments like this one on any thread about reproductive rights.

Sigh…the video isn’t much better, abortion protestors claiming there is no overpopulation and that Texas alone could support 6 billion humans (except for that pesky food and water problem I guess).

So why are they so dead set on keeping out all of those Brown children trying to cross the border from Central America?

473 lawhawk  Jul 24, 2014 10:23:18am
474 Patricia Kayden  Jul 24, 2014 10:24:33am

re: #462 Lidane

When will voters punish them for working so hard to destroy the ACA? Seems like Republicans get no push back for their obstructionism.

475 Kragar  Jul 24, 2014 10:26:00am

So muting someone doesn’t actually keep them out of your mentions.

Is there anyway to say “I don’t care if anyone RT or favorites this tweet this douchebag attached me to?”

476 Patricia Kayden  Jul 24, 2014 10:26:02am

re: #473 lawhawk

Republicans have been singing that “why oh why don’t the darkies vote for us” song for ages. That’s all they have. They have nothing to offer to Black voters and they know it. And more importantly, Black voters know it.

477 Lidane  Jul 24, 2014 10:27:42am

re: #474 Patricia Kayden

When will voters punish them for working so hard to destroy the ACA? Seems like Republicans get no push back for their obstructionism.

As long as there is a significant percentage of this country who believes what Fox News and AM talk radio sells them, the GOP will never face any real pushback.

Also, gerrymandering is a problem. These guys can act the way they do because their districts are drawn to their advantage. If congressional districts had to be drawn based on actual county lines things would be different.

478 Lidane  Jul 24, 2014 10:29:09am

re: #476 Patricia Kayden

Republicans have been singing that “why oh why don’t the darkies vote for us” song for ages. That’s all they have. They have nothing to offer to Black voters and they know it. And more importantly, Black voters know it.

Hopefully Latino voters are starting to see it with the way the RWNJs are responding to the border crisis.

Hell, even Ted Cruz was getting flamed on his FB page as a filthy RINO traitor for making a token effort and not treating those kids like lepers that need to be killed.

479 HappyWarrior  Jul 24, 2014 10:29:17am

re: #473 lawhawk

[Embedded content]

Damn good article. Author’s absolutely right about everything. Anyone writing for the NRO frankly has no right to cast stones on civil rights when WFB was a huge defender of segregation. It’d be like if NRO complained about McCarthyism given that WFB was also a McCarthy apologist. You can’t compare the 1960’s Republican Party to the contemporary Republican party. I still will argue that civil rights is and will always be about liberals versus conservatives which back then wasn’t a party line thing since back then you had some Republicans who were much more liberal than Democrats especially Southern ones. And the writer is right, the Republican party and right get blasted on race because of their own action whether that’s Reagan’s welfare queen or the young buck with a steak or Romney and countless GOPers claiming that minority voters vote Democratic because of “free stuff”

480 HappyWarrior  Jul 24, 2014 10:32:21am

re: #478 Lidane

Hopefully Latino voters are starting to see it with the way the RWNJs are responding to the border crisis.

Hell, even Ted Cruz was getting flamed on his FB page as a filthy RINO traitor for making a token effort and not treating those kids like lepers that need to be killed.

I think they are. You saw even the Cuban American community favoring Obama over Romney. Another potential bloc that the GOP has alienated big time are Asians. I was not aware of this but in 1992 apparently George H.W Bush got 2/3’s of the Asian vote. By 2012 Obama had gotten roughly this same percentage with Asians and what’s more is much like Cuban-Americans, he won over Vietnamese-Americans, a group well known for being more conservative. The GOP and right have only themselves to blame to how they’re perceived in minority communities. Maybe shut up with the condescending bullshit about minority voters and free stuff, shut up about how immigrants are all violent thugs, and maybe just maybe treat them like human beings.

481 Franklin Brewsevelt  Jul 24, 2014 10:48:51am

re: #473 lawhawk

[Embedded content]

Meh. Needs more Gus Chalkboard Graphics™

482 ObserverArt  Jul 24, 2014 10:50:33am

re: #462 Lidane

Boehner: GOP ‘Not There Yet’ On A Plan To Replace Obamacare

No plan to replace it, but they sure as shit are going to spend the rest of Obama’s term trying to destroy it. Assholes.

What? They’ve only had like 5 years or more to figure something out.

I sure wish I could make that kind of money for doing nothing but obstructing and messing up.

483 Patricia Kayden  Jul 24, 2014 11:07:49am

re: #480 HappyWarrior

Yeah, I’m sure it’s a shocker to Rightwingers that the “model minority” voted for President Obama. The way Republicans are going, they’re strictly attracting White voters.

484 Decatur Deb  Jul 24, 2014 11:17:15am

re: #408 lawhawk

Hamas is well-known for executing people they consider to be collaborators. Defenestration being among the methods used. So, if you’re going to inform UNRWA that there are missiles or bombs in a UNRWA facility, Hamas might consider that to be the act of a collaborationist.

We can’t find any problem children in Gaza, so let’s dump on the school teachers, medics, and relief workers.

485 Rightwingconspirator  Jul 24, 2014 5:39:47pm

re: #352 sattv4u2

3 down for that? Tough crowd today.


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Jack White - Taking Me Back (Gently) [Visualizer] Visualizer for Jack White’s new song “Taking Me Back (Gently)” Listen to “Taking Me Back” & “Taking Me Back (Gently)”: ffm.to Directed by Ben Chappell Additional art + editing: Jordan Williams, Brad Holland, Quinton Hickman, Rob Jones Follow Jack ...
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Cross Bones Style — Jason Isbell, Amanda Shires Provided to YouTube by The Orchard Enterprises Cross Bones Style · Jason Isbell and the 400 Unit · Amanda Shires · Charlyn Marie Marshall Georgia Blue ℗ 2021 Southeastern Records marketed and distributed by Thirty Tigers Released on: 2021-10-15 ...
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Jon Batiste - SING Ft. Tori Kelly Order my album ‘WE ARE: The Deluxe Edition’: jon-batiste.lnk.to Shop merch: jonbatistestore.com Director : Content Video Follow Jon:Instagram: jon-batiste.lnk.to Facebook: jon-batiste.lnk.to Twitter: jon-batiste.lnk.to Spotify: jon-batiste.lnk.to Apple Music: jon-batiste.lnk.to Amazon: jon-batiste.lnk.to Soundcloud: jon-batiste.lnk.to Pandora: jon-batiste.lnk.to YouTube Music: jon-batiste.lnk.to Official Website: ...
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An Exercise in Rock & Roll Improvisation - Umphrey’s McGee: UMBowl 2021 Stew Art 10/09/21 UM kicked off night two of UMBowl 2021 with only the 7th “Stew Art” set ever, where fans texted in concepts and the band created new improvised music on the spot based off of the ideas presented on the ...
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BADBADNOTGOOD - Love Proceeding Taken from the album, Talk Memory. Out October 8th on XL Recordings and Innovative Leisure. Out now: badbadnotgood.ffm.to Many thanks to all our friends and the fabulous people who came together for this film. Written and Directed by Jamal ...
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