Another Fake Outrage From Jim Hoft: Feds Are “Secretly” Smuggling 30,000 “Illegal Children” Into States

Under cover of night, in black helicopters, no doubt
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As another example of the tenuous hold The Gateway Pundit has on accuracy, check out this xenophobic, scaremongering headline:

BREAKING: HHS Has Released 30,340 Unaccompanied Illegal Minors Across US This Year

So breaking!! that it’s been going on for the last six months, but to continue with the post.

According to the Office of Refugee Resettlement 30,340 illegal children were secretly released to sponsors across the United States in the first six months of this year.

I’ve got some problems with the term “illegal children,” but let’s focus on the “secretly released to sponsors” aspect of this story.

First of all, it’s not a secret if the ORR announces it’s happened. And second, by law, the government is prohibited from revealing the precise whereabouts of minor children. So, in that respect, there is some secrecy.

Who are these sponsors? From the ORR website:

We try to place the child with a parent, and if that is not possible, with a relative, and if that is not possible, with a family friend. We do not restrict placements based on the immigration status of the parent or other sponsor. All sponsors receive a background check that includes a public records name and address check to search for criminal history; review of any criminal history the sponsor self-reports during the reunification process; and through interviews with the child. If the sponsor is not a parent or legal guardian of the child, a fingerprint check is also conducted.

Oh, and the kids are not released until they get a clean bill of health, so they’re not carrying plague or TB or ebola as some kind of Typhoid Marys. [Seriously, some people really believe these kids are major threats to the health of the nation.]

The secrecy bit seems to refer to one incident in Iowa referred to by one article published elsewhere. qctimes.com But Hoft has a bad habit of declaring major trends on the basis of one data point.

His post concludes:

And, it is widely known that HHS is not notifying state agencies when dumping the children in their state.

“Widely known” — as in “nobody knew about this until I wrote these very words widely known.”

“Dumping” — as in driving the kids across the state line, and pushing them out the door? As in dropping the kids off at the state child welfare office with a name tag that says, “Please take care of little Enrique. We can’t do it. Kthxbai, The US ORR”?

Not hardly, Jim. One hundred thirty-eight children were being brought to Iowa to meet their sponsors (see above). That’s not exactly dumping.

As for not notifying state agencies, the law requires the states be notified, so I rather suspect Hoft and his source material are playing fast and loose with reality. Somebody official has to know they’re coming, but the public does not have to.

Think about it: does the Department of Corrections in your area send out a news bulletin every time a prisoner is bused somewhere? So, why should the ORR notify the Iowa press, “Oh, we’re sending a busload of immigrant children your way. Be sure to notify the hordes of raving xenophobic lunatics to greet them when they arrive.”

Hoft’s evidence for the statement is limited to one article, and the jaw-dropping insensitivity of Iowa’s Republican governor, who may be even as clueless as Jim Hoft. He swears no one told anyone in his state the kids were coming.

(Factoid: the population of Iowa is a hair over 3 million. The number of unaccompanied minor immigrants assigned to Iowa is 139. That’s one kid for every 21,600 Iowans. Iowa must pretty hard up if 21,600 people can’t handle adding one kid to the fold.)

But you know, this is the latest outrage among the conservatives. While unaccompanied children have been crossing the Mexican border into the USA for years, suddenly it’s become a Thing, a Horrible Thing, an Normandy-like invasion of disease-ridden juvenile criminals, and it’s all the fault of President Barack Obama.

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Except it isn’t. Obama and the Executive branch are obeying a law signed by the previous president, a Republican from Texas. Maybe you remember him.

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269 comments

1 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 25, 2014 8:19:17am

Already updinged and tweeted your post first thing this morning, but will add now: “great post!”

2 HappyWarrior  Jul 25, 2014 8:19:45am

Bigoted old bigot can’t stop being a bigoted old bigot can he?

3 wheat-dogghazi  Jul 25, 2014 8:20:57am

re: #1 Backwoods_Sleuth

Thanks!

Also thanks to Charles for the promotion.

Hoft has really gotten under my skin with this hysteria over these kids.

4 Bulworth  Jul 25, 2014 8:22:13am

Fabulous post, retweeted.

“Dumping” — as in driving the kids across the state line, and pushing them out the door? As in dropping the kids off at the state child welfare office with a name tag that says, “Please take care of little Enrique. We can’t do it. Kthxbai, The US ORR”?

Hoft’s Daft’s screed is just ludicrous and malicious.

5 Bulworth  Jul 25, 2014 8:22:42am

REBRANDING!!!!!

6 MomSense  Jul 25, 2014 8:27:29am

I am starting to feel like RWNJ is a mental illness. This stuff seems ludicrous to me but whenever I dare look at the comments, it is pretty shocking the stuff that people believe.

7 wheat-dogghazi  Jul 25, 2014 8:27:43am

Incidentally, the word “smuggling” in the headline is my choice, not Dim Hoft’s. He doesn’t use the word, but does say the movement of kids is being done “secretly.” I say this just in case the more literal-minded members in his fanbase squawk that “Jim never used that word! YOU’RE the liars now!!”

8 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Jul 25, 2014 8:27:58am

30,000 is a really small number anyway.

9 Teukka  Jul 25, 2014 8:28:32am

From this side of the pond, what the TPGOP is doing is nothing new. The same arguments were used a decade or so ago by the extreme right wing here. And in some instances, still are.
And by extreme right wing, I mean extreme right wing. Parties like the Sweden Democrats, National Democrats, the Swedes’ Party (Svenskarnas Parti), the now defunct Sweden Party and Keep Sweden Swedish (Bevara Sverige Svenskt (BSS)).
Parties and organizations which can trace their lineage back to the Nordic Reichs Party (Nordiska Rikspartiet) of the 70’s and early 80’s, which was openly nazi.

No, it’s them libs that are the nazi’s! National Socialism, you hear it in the name they’re socialist! We’re right wing! Hurr! Durr!

Yeah.
Right.

*smh*

10 HappyWarrior  Jul 25, 2014 8:29:22am

re: #8 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

30,000 is a really small number anyway.

Yes and there’s the fact that these are kids trying to make a better life here. I guess Jim missed the part of American history and civics where we pride ourselves on being a welcoming country to people from all walks of life.

11 lawhawk  Jul 25, 2014 8:30:25am

Outrage when private charities do what the right wing has been clamoring for - to serve the underserved.

Outrage when the government provides due process to make sure that people are fairly treated in process of deportation.

Outrage over where the government places people awaiting deportation.

Outrage over laws enacted years earlier by the previous president on grounds of compassion that are now being enforced by the sitting president in the same fashion.

Outrage when the President acts (executive orders, and using regulations) because Congress hasn’t or wont legislate.

Outrage when the President doesn’t act because Congress has already acted to cut funding (that pesky sequester again).

Outrage. It’s the only game in town from the right.

You know what’s truly outrageous? The fact that the country doesn’t have a grip on immigration policy and that any effort at comprehensive immigration reform goes nowhere.

Outrageous that this Congress only governs from crisis to crisis, while ignoring real reform. Outrageous when we’ve got infrastructure in such poor repair, that Congress refuses to act on anything other than a short-term band-aid basis because the GOP thinks that infrastructure spending equals a giveaway to unions.

It’s outrageous that every outrage is blown up to scandal proportions, when they’re really a continuation of ongoing issues that date back years and decades.

It’s outrageous that impeachment is on the tip of the GOP tongue when there isn’t a single high crime or misdemeanor mentioned anywhere. Policy disputes aren’t impeachable offenses. Not Benghazi. Not IRS. Not Fast and Furious. None of them. But it keeps the GOP campaign money rolling, so the outrageous outrage rolls on.

12 Skip Intro  Jul 25, 2014 8:30:38am

re: #6 MomSense

I am starting to feel like RWNJ is a mental illness. This stuff seems ludicrous to me but whenever I dare look at the comments, it is pretty shocking the stuff that people believe.

When your entire political base is only motivated by hate, fear, and more hate, you get DimJim, Breitbart, Twitchy, talk radio, and Fox News.

13 HappyWarrior  Jul 25, 2014 8:32:18am

re: #12 Skip Intro

When you’re entire political base is only motivated by hate, fear, and more hate, you get DimJim, Breitbart, Twitchy, talk radio, and Fox News.

It’s how Limbaugh’s made a nice fortune for himself too. Funny how they love to invoke Reagan but Reagan was at least capable of positive vibes.

14 HappyWarrior  Jul 25, 2014 8:32:55am

re: #11 lawhawk

Outrage when private charities do what the right wing has been clamoring for - to serve the underserved.

Outrage when the government provides due process to make sure that people are fairly treated in process of deportation.

Outrage over where the government places people awaiting deportation.

Outrage over laws enacted years earlier by the previous president on grounds of compassion that are now being enforced by the sitting president in the same fashion.

Outrage when the President acts (executive orders, and using regulations) because Congress hasn’t or wont legislate.

Outrage when the President doesn’t act because Congress has already acted to cut funding (that pesky sequester again).

Outrage. It’s the only game in town from the right.

You know what’s truly outrageous? The fact that the country doesn’t have a grip on immigration policy and that any effort at comprehensive immigration reform goes nowhere.

Outrageous that this Congress only governs from crisis to crisis, while ignoring real reform. Outrageous when we’ve got infrastructure in such poor repair, that Congress refuses to act on anything other than a short-term band-aid basis because the GOP thinks that infrastructure spending equals a giveaway to unions.

It’s outrageous that every outrage is blown up to scandal proportions, when they’re really a continuation of ongoing issues that date back years and decades.

It’s outrageous that impeachment is on the tip of the GOP tongue when there isn’t a single high crime or misdemeanor mentioned anywhere. Policy disputes aren’t impeachable offenses. Not Benghazi. Not IRS. Not Fast and Furious. None of them. But it keeps the GOP campaign money rolling, so the outrageous outrage rolls on.

Awesomely said.

15 wheat-dogghazi  Jul 25, 2014 8:32:59am

re: #10 HappyWarrior

Yes and there’s the fact that these are kids trying to make a better life here. I guess Jim missed the part of American history and civics where we pride ourselves on being a welcoming country to people from all walks of life.

Most of them are trying to escape being forced into gangs, being beat up, or raped, or turned into child prostitutes. They want to go to school and just be kids. Now they come to America, where a small but very loud faction treats them like criminals and walking petri dishes full of pathogens. Thankfully, there are a few noble souls in America who are willing to stand up to this knuckle-dragging hatred.

16 Joanne  Jul 25, 2014 8:34:08am

re: #9 Teukka

From this side of the pond, what the TPGOP is doing is nothing new. The same arguments were used a decade or so ago by the extreme right wing here. And in some instances, still are.
And by extreme right wing, I mean extreme right wing. Parties like the Sweden Democrats, National Democrats, the Swedes’ Party (Svenskarnas Parti), the now defunct Sweden Party and Keep Sweden Swedish (Bevara Sverige Svenskt (BSS)).
Parties and organizations which can trace their lineage back to the Nordic Reichs Party (Nordiska Rikspartiet) of the 70’s and early 80’s, which was openly nazi.

No, it’s them libs that are the nazi’s! National Socialism, you hear it in the name they’re socialist! We’re right wing! Hurr! Durr!

Yeah.
Right.

*smh*

See! They all haz Democrap in their names! They are the extremists! We waz right all alongs!

17 Bulworth  Jul 25, 2014 8:34:23am

Unfortunately the RWNJ just sees these kids as future Democratic Party voters.

18 Joanne  Jul 25, 2014 8:35:50am

re: #11 lawhawk

o/’ Clowns to the left of me, Jokers to the right; Here I am, stuck in the middle with you. o/’

19 Charles Johnson  Jul 25, 2014 8:36:11am

re: #7 wheat-dogghazi

Thanks for pointing that out - I edited the headline again for accuracy.

20 Skip Intro  Jul 25, 2014 8:37:16am

re: #13 HappyWarrior

It’s how Limbaugh’s made a nice fortune for himself too. Funny how they love to invoke Reagan but Reagan was at least capable of positive vibes.

They only invoke the mythical Reagan, just like the RW Christian nut jobs only invoke the mythical Jesus.

The historical Reagan and Jesus (i.e. the historical record of what they actually said and did instead of what the mythology built up around them says) would be anathema to these people.

21 Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 25, 2014 8:38:30am

Ugh, these RWNJs are really, REALLY playing with fire when it comes to this border crisis.

I fear its only a matter of time until this kind of rhetoric results in the bodies of dead children, be them migrants or U.S. citizens.

and I’d love to see what kind of talking points the right wingers would cook up to try and justify something like THAT.

22 Skip Intro  Jul 25, 2014 8:38:44am

re: #17 Bulworth

Unfortunately the RWNJ just sees these kids as future Democratic Party voters.

While they keep working as hard as they can to drive as many people as possible away from them.

23 HappyWarrior  Jul 25, 2014 8:39:47am

re: #15 wheat-dogghazi

Most of them are trying to escape being forced into gangs, being beat up, or raped, or turned into child prostitutes. They want to go to school and just be kids. Now they come to America, where a small but very loud faction treats them like criminals and walking petri dishes full of pathogens. Thankfully, there are a few noble souls in America who are willing to stand up to this knuckle-dragging hatred.

Exactly. Really I hope I am not violating Godwin here but I really do think that DimJim and that crowd would be have been among the loudest trying to deny escaping European Jews entry to the US in the lead up to WWII. The way they regard these kids whose sole crime is wanting a better life is just disgusting.

24 wheat-dogghazi  Jul 25, 2014 8:39:59am

Hoft had another post on his site, saying a White House press statement by Susan Rice did not refer to the woman who just escaped Sudan, Meriam Yahya Ibrahim Ishag, as a Christian. Shocka! She’s only been in the news for weeks, and yesterday met with the Pope.

But Mr Literal gets all upset because Rice did not use the word “Christian” or “Christianity” in her statement.

Our UN ambassador did, though, in her statement. Hoft doesn’t mention that, of course.

I blogged it here, at my site.

25 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 25, 2014 8:40:06am

re: #21 Eclectic Cyborg

Ugh, these RWNJs are really, REALLY playing with fire when it comes to this border crisis.

I fear its only a matter of time until this kind of rhetoric results in the bodies of dead children.

and I’d love to see what kind of talking points the right wingers would cook up to try and justify something like THAT.

Dim Jim has been there, done that:

26 wheat-dogghazi  Jul 25, 2014 8:41:07am

re: #19 Charles Johnson

Thanks for pointing that out - I edited the headline again for accuracy.

Yeah, I know how those people roll. Context, subtlety are not their strong suits.

27 Lidane  Jul 25, 2014 8:41:23am

re: #11 lawhawk

I regret that I only have one upding to give this post.

28 Teukka  Jul 25, 2014 8:42:26am

re: #16 Joanne

See! They all haz Democrap in their names! They are the extremists! We waz right all alongs!

*sigh*

I’m serious. I’m just waiting for the TPGOP pundits to follow the same pattern as here in Sweden a good while back. When the public won’t buy the disease and criminality angle, they will ramp it up to ZOMG! Rapist kids coming across the border! Real, legitmate rapists!!!!!! 11ty!!!!

Yes.
Really.

29 lawhawk  Jul 25, 2014 8:42:34am

re: #25 Pie-onist Overlord

So, Hoft complains when they die on the border trying to get into the US. He complains when BCFS tries to house them. He complains when DHS tries to place these people with sponsors nationally until their cases are addressed under the law.

There’s so much compassion there. /11ty

30 Lidane  Jul 25, 2014 8:43:31am

re: #21 Eclectic Cyborg

Ugh, these RWNJs are really, REALLY playing with fire when it comes to this border crisis.

I fear its only a matter of time until this kind of rhetoric results in the bodies of dead children, be them migrants or U.S. citizens.

and I’d love to see what kind of talking points the right wingers would cook up to try and justify something like THAT.

Lone wolf! No True Conservative/Militia member/Patriot!

That American kid wouldn’t have gotten shot if he didn’t look illegal!

The shooter was just doing what Obummer refuses to do!

If that illegal didn’t come here they wouldn’t be dead!

And so on. The derp when someone gets killed by an RWNJ on the border is entirely predictable.

31 HappyWarrior  Jul 25, 2014 8:44:39am

re: #29 lawhawk

So, Hoft complains when they die on the border trying to get into the US. He complains when BCFS tries to house them. He complains when DHS tries to place these people with sponsors nationally until their cases are addressed under the law.

There’s so much compassion there. /11ty

Hoft complains. Leave it at that and you got everything Jim Hoft stands for in a nutshell. He has nothing to offer but complaints. No real policy solutions. Just bigotry and rage against Obama. In the past, he would have been our crazy uncle shouting at the radio but now in this day of mass media, he’s allowed a blog to spread his bullshit to the masses. Not that I think mass media communication is a bad thing overall but one of the side effects is that lunatics who should be treated like fringe nuts are treated as if they represent the mainstream.

32 Bulworth  Jul 25, 2014 8:45:41am

re:
#29

It’s almost as if nothing would make them happy. half /

33 wheat-dogghazi  Jul 25, 2014 8:48:57am

re: #29 lawhawk

So, Hoft complains when they die on the border trying to get into the US. He complains when BCFS tries to house them. He complains when DHS tries to place these people with sponsors nationally until their cases are addressed under the law.

There’s so much compassion there. /11ty

His post, which he cribbed from another RW blogger, implies that the feds are sneaking these kids into communities without telling local authorities, merely because some local officials in Iowa expressed surprise some kids were coming their way. In fact, the law specifies that the ORR has to notify state agencies that it’s sending kids their way, to be assigned to their sponsors. The law does not specify this information has to be shared publicly, nor does it say the governor’s office has to be notified. So, the fact that local councilmen, mayors or the governor of Iowa don’t know about it means absolutely zero.

And it’s 30,000 children over six months, not 30,000 all at the same time.

34 HappyWarrior  Jul 25, 2014 8:49:33am

re: #32 Bulworth

re:
#29

It’s almost as if nothing would make them happy. half /

Obama could resign and Jim’s response would be “Why didn’t he do it on January 20th 2009?” The guy really is just a ball of bitterness and rage that is the embodiment of his ideology and party’s base.

35 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 25, 2014 8:51:39am

Wingnut to English translations
HELP TEH TRULY POOR & NEEDY=Non-fetus need not apply
EVERYONE ELSE GET BACK TO WORK=Into the sweatshop with you!

36 Ryan King  Jul 25, 2014 8:52:59am

re: #3 wheat-dogghazi

Thanks!

Also thanks to Charles for the promotion.

Hoft has really gotten under my skin with this hysteria over these kids.

The best thing to do is exactly what you did: shine the light of truth tempered by objectivity spiced up with a good dollup of mockery.

37 wheat-dogghazi  Jul 25, 2014 8:53:49am

re: #35 Pie-onist Overlord

Wingnut to English translations
HELP TEH TRULY POOR & NEEDY=Non-fetus need not apply
EVERYONE ELSE GET BACK TO WORK=Into the sweatshop with you!

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In her book, the truly needy don’t own cars, TVs, cellphones or microwaves, so they’re SOL.

38 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 25, 2014 8:54:49am
39 HappyWarrior  Jul 25, 2014 8:56:23am

re: #37 wheat-dogghazi

In her book, the truly needy don’t own cars, TVs, cellphones or microwaves, so they’re SOL.

If you’ve seen a light bulb, tough shit moocher. Honestly the conservative concept is more like this. “I can use things like student loans, medicare, military benefits, etc to help myself and my family but if someone else wants to use those same programs, they’re a moocher.” And this conservative obsession with “work” is so stupid. Most of the people they want to deny food stamps and help to are children but then again most of our friendly conservatives have a problem with child labor laws too.

40 wheat-dogghazi  Jul 25, 2014 8:57:33am

re: #36 Ryan King

The best thing to do is exactly what you did: shine the light of truth tempered by objectivity spiced up with a good dollup of mockery.

This is what I intend to do. Hoft is such a lazy blogger that fisking his posts is relatively easy, but I can’t tackle all of them. His output, which is mostly cut-and-paste jobs or reposts, is more than I can keep up with.

41 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 25, 2014 8:58:02am

re: #39 HappyWarrior

If you’ve seen a light bulb, tough shit moocher. Honestly the conservative concept is more like this. “I can use things like student loans, medicare, military benefits, etc to help myself and my family but if someone else wants to use those same programs, they’re a moocher.” And this conservative obsession with “work” is so stupid. Most of the people they want to deny food stamps and help to are children but then again most of our friendly conservatives have a problem with child labor laws too.

Janie is always Derping about how kids can’t run lemonade stands because of HURR HURR CHILD LABOR LAWS & FDA REGULATIONS!!!!!! because she once saw a Verizon commercial & thought it was a documentary.

42 HappyWarrior  Jul 25, 2014 8:59:44am

re: #41 Pie-onist Overlord

Janie is always Derping about how kids can’t run lemonade stands because of HURR HURR CHILD LABOR LAWS & FDA REGULATIONS!!!!!! because she once saw a Verizon commercial & thought it was a documentary.

That shows how little Janie understands labor law. Hell the golden age of the child run lemonade stand was the same as the golden age of Labor These people are utterly clueless to reality. They think they can use the government to their own benefit but if anyone else does, they’re a “moocher.”

43 wheat-dogghazi  Jul 25, 2014 9:00:15am

re: #41 Pie-onist Overlord

Janie is always Derping about how kids can’t run lemonade stands because of HURR HURR CHILD LABOR LAWS & FDA REGULATIONS!!!!!! because she once saw a Verizon commercial & thought it was a documentary.

Then how does she explain Girl Scout cookie sales? Boy Scout chocolate bar sales?

44 The War TARDIS  Jul 25, 2014 9:00:40am

Go fuck yourself, FIFA

huff.to

45 HappyWarrior  Jul 25, 2014 9:00:58am

re: #43 wheat-dogghazi

Then how does she explain Girl Scout cookie sales? Boy Scout chocolate bar sales?

She’s not exactly smart as I’m sure VB can attest.

46 wheat-dogghazi  Jul 25, 2014 9:01:47am

re: #45 HappyWarrior

Seems to be a trait among many RWNJ twitterati.

47 HappyWarrior  Jul 25, 2014 9:04:47am

re: #46 wheat-dogghazi

Seems to be a trait among many RWNJ twitterati.

Yeah quite common. But that one really takes the prize. A child running their own independent lemonaide stand is totally different from what the labor laws are there for which is to protect children from being exploited. Honestly, the right wing obsession with work is just stupid and over the top. There’s more to life than just work and their whole opposition to increasing the minimum wage is based on a fake concern for teenage workers. Honestly if you are under 18, your primary focus needs to be on your education. If you can do a part time job in the mean time and juggle that and school, go for it. I still remember that slimy bastard Gingrich urging getting rid of janitors and replacing them with kids because you know having kids as janitors isn’t demeaning at all.

48 wheat-dogghazi  Jul 25, 2014 9:05:59am

re: #47 HappyWarrior

Was it Gingrich? I thought it was one of the radio jocks, like Limbaugh, or maybe Bill O.

49 HappyWarrior  Jul 25, 2014 9:07:03am

re: #48 wheat-dogghazi

Was it Gingrich? I thought it was one of the radio jocks, like Limbaugh, or maybe Bill O.

Nope it was Newt and I think it was at a debate too.

50 Lidane  Jul 25, 2014 9:07:33am

re: #47 HappyWarrior

I still remember that slimy bastard Gingrich urging getting rid of janitors and replacing them with kids because you know having kids as janitors isn’t demeaning at all.

Not only that, but it would be totally safe to expose young kids to the chemicals and solvents that most school janitors use. And the floor buffers won’t be too much for kids to deal with, either. Nope. No risk of injury at all.

51 wheat-dogghazi  Jul 25, 2014 9:07:57am

re: #49 HappyWarrior

OK. I remember the statement, but not the source.

52 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 25, 2014 9:07:58am

re: #45 HappyWarrior

She’s not exactly smart as I’m sure VB can attest.

Janie has never had a job, she just hung out at the country club and married a rich guy (according to her own profile page). Yet for some reason she thinks she is an expert on business and the economy.

53 HappyWarrior  Jul 25, 2014 9:08:29am

re: #50 Lidane

Not only that, but it would be totally safe to expose young kids to the chemicals and solvents that most school janitors use. And the floor buffers won’t be too much for kids to deal with, either. Nope. No risk of injury at all.

I hadn’t even thought about that part but that’s a great point too. But then again this is the mindset that wants to get rid of OSHA and the NLRB.

54 HappyWarrior  Jul 25, 2014 9:08:59am

re: #52 Pie-onist Overlord

Janie has never had a job, she just hung out at the country club and married a rich guy (according to her own profile page). Yet for some reason she thinks she is an expert on business and the economy.

Sounds like Mitt Romney sorta.

55 HappyWarrior  Jul 25, 2014 9:09:37am

re: #51 wheat-dogghazi

OK. I remember the statement, but not the source.

All good. But yeah it was a dickish thing to say by a dick who’s been eager to say relevant since his own House caucus kicked him out of a job.

56 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 25, 2014 9:10:22am

re: #47 HappyWarrior

Yeah quite common. But that one really takes the prize. A child running their own independent lemonaide stand is totally different from what the labor laws are there for which is to protect children from being exploited. Honestly, the right wing obsession with work is just stupid and over the top. There’s more to life than just work and their whole opposition to increasing the minimum wage is based on a fake concern for teenage workers. Honestly if you are under 18, your primary focus needs to be on your education. If you can do a part time job in the mean time and juggle that and school, go for it. I still remember that slimy bastard Gingrich urging getting rid of janitors and replacing them with kids because you know having kids as janitors isn’t demeaning at all.

The RWNJ are all obsessed with “the dignity of work” but not with adequate compensation for work.

While it may be true that some minimum wage workers may lack education (although this is not always the case), the work they do is physically exhausting.

57 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 25, 2014 9:12:23am

Oh wow, Bryan thinks Paul Ryan is being to kind to the Poors

58 HappyWarrior  Jul 25, 2014 9:12:48am

re: #56 Pie-onist Overlord

The RWNJ are all obsessed with “the dignity of work” but not with adequate compensation for work.

While it may be true that some minimum wage workers may lack education (although this is not always the case), the work they do is physically exhausting.

As you’ve pointed out, they see “minimum wage” the same way they read “non-essential” during the shutdown. They have no concept of what it means. What was really funny to me was the idiot Republican representative from Tennessee who opposed the increase by saying she made 2.10 or so when she was a youngster and it was pointed out that adjusted for inflation she made over the minimum wage. Honestly, I think it’s telling that these people think that workers wanting wages of 10 dollars a hour are greedy but say nary a word about executives who give themselves six sometimes seven digit bonuses but I guess I’m just “jealous” of their success.

59 HappyWarrior  Jul 25, 2014 9:14:05am

re: #57 Pie-onist Overlord

Oh wow, Bryan thinks Paul Ryan is being to kind to the Poors

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Yeah Bryan let them starve, that’s what Jesus would want!

60 NJDhockeyfan  Jul 25, 2014 9:15:12am
61 wheat-dogghazi  Jul 25, 2014 9:16:50am

re: #58 HappyWarrior

As you’ve pointed out, they see “minimum wage” the same way they read “non-essential” during the shutdown. They have no concept of what it means. What was really funny to me was the idiot Republican representative from Tennessee who opposed the increase by saying she made 2.10 or so when she was a youngster and it was pointed out that adjusted for inflation she made over the minimum wage. Honestly, I think it’s telling that these people think that workers wanting wages of 10 dollars a hour are greedy but say nary a word about executives who give themselves six sometimes seven digit bonuses but I guess I’m just “jealous” of their success.

When I was working one summer in college (1976) I was paid the princely sum of $3/hr for working summer hotel, and time and half for OT. In today’s terms, that $12.60/hr. dollartimes.com So, I managed to live pretty comfortably and save money for college expenses that summer.

i doubt I could do it now working at minimum wage.

62 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 25, 2014 9:17:32am

re: #58 HappyWarrior

As you’ve pointed out, they see “minimum wage” the same way they read “non-essential” during the shutdown. They have no concept of what it means. What was really funny to me was the idiot Republican representative from Tennessee who opposed the increase by saying she made 2.10 or so when she was a youngster and it was pointed out that adjusted for inflation she made over the minimum wage. Honestly, I think it’s telling that these people think that workers wanting wages of 10 dollars a hour are greedy but say nary a word about executives who give themselves six sometimes seven digit bonuses but I guess I’m just “jealous” of their success.

63 wheat-dogghazi  Jul 25, 2014 9:18:59am

re: #61 wheat-dogghazi

The following summer, the university eliminated the student workers and used regular maintenance staff, because the students all were willing to work OT and we ran summer hotel over budget. Heh.

64 Ryan King  Jul 25, 2014 9:20:44am

re: #57 Pie-onist Overlord

So Mr Fischer, if you subsidize idiocy you get more idiocy?

65 HappyWarrior  Jul 25, 2014 9:21:27am

re: #61 wheat-dogghazi

When I was working one summer in college (1976) I was paid the princely sum of $3/hr for working summer hotel, and time and half for OT. In today’s terms, that $12.60/hr. dollartimes.com So, I managed to live pretty comfortably and save money for college expenses that summer.

i doubt I could do it now working at minimum wage.

Wingnuts forget too often that workers are consumers. Henry Ford had a lot of flaws but he got one important thing and that was workers needed to be consumers. I like Costco’s approach. They know by paying their employees well and giving them fair benefits that they’re creating a place where people want to work and will thus be more effective workers. I obviously support the minimum wage being increased on principle and out of support for those less well off but I also support increasing it because I think it will make the workforce more effective. That gets to another point about union labor that conservatives love to rail on. Union labor is very effective despite their claims to the contrary.

66 b_sharp  Jul 25, 2014 9:22:42am

re: #35 Pie-onist Overlord

Wingnut to English translations
HELP TEH TRULY POOR & NEEDY=Non-fetus need not apply
EVERYONE ELSE GET BACK TO WORK=Into the sweatshop with you!

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And they fail horribly, not just in helping the ‘truly’ poor but in identifying them. As far as giving them opportunities to gain employment and live better lives they’ve done everything they can to ignore systemic bias against specific cultures & initial conditions those people find themselves starting from and to increase the gap between the haves and the have nots. To get beyond poverty and enter the middle class there needs to be a middle class to enter. The right’s current focus is on destroying the middle class in favour of helping a few in the upper middle class to reach higher incomes and give the well to do even more money.

67 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jul 25, 2014 9:23:47am

re: #57 Pie-onist Overlord

Oh wow, Bryan thinks Paul Ryan is being to kind to the Poors

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Let them eat each other.

68 wheat-dogghazi  Jul 25, 2014 9:26:24am

re: #66 b_sharp

It’s harder to become middle class when most of the manufacturing jobs have been moved offshore. Factory jobs used to be the first step toward moving a poor family into the middle class.

69 Lidane  Jul 25, 2014 9:26:33am

Paul Ryan Will Vote To Sue Obama

Rep. Paul Ryan (R-WI) said Friday he’ll vote to sue President Barack Obama when the Republican-led resolution comes up on the House floor.

“I will vote for it,” Ryan said on MSNBC.

Bitch plz. As if anyone with an (R) after their name is going to vote against it. They don’t have the grounds to impeach the President, so they’re going to waste everyone’s time and sue him instead.

You know, because handing Obama a bully pulpit issue to beat the GOP with has worked out so well for them.

70 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Jul 25, 2014 9:27:10am

re: #49 HappyWarrior

Nope it was Newt and I think it was at a debate too.

As far as I can tell, he first said it during at speech at the Kennedy School of Government. It was then brought up at the SC Republican debate and he defended it.

Youtube Video

71 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 25, 2014 9:27:32am

Wingnuts have two “rinse & repeat” talking points about wealth inequality:

A poor person complains about wealth inequality:
HURR HURR UR JUST JEALOUS OF SUCCESS!!!!!

A rich person complains about wealth inequality:
HURR HURR WHY DON’T U GIVE AWAY UR ENTIRE FORTUNE 2 TEH POORS!!!!!!!

72 wheat-dogghazi  Jul 25, 2014 9:28:49am

re: #69 Lidane

I confess to be befuddled by this suing Obama thing. Is this even legal? Constitutionally, it sounds really fishy.

America has gone through worse crises, and I don’t recall any Congress threatening to sue the president.

73 HappyWarrior  Jul 25, 2014 9:29:36am

re: #71 Pie-onist Overlord

Wingnuts have two “rinse & repeat” talking points about wealth inequality:

A poor person complains about wealth inequality:
HURR HURR UR JUST JEALOUS OF SUCCESS!!!!!

A rich person complains about wealth inequality:
HURR HURR WHY DON’T U GIVE AWAY UR ENTIRE FORTUNE 2 TEH POORS!!!!!!!

It’s also somehow hypocritical for a liberal to be rich. I’m no Michael Moore fan but this latest fauxrage about him owning 9 homes is stupid.

74 sagehen  Jul 25, 2014 9:30:27am

re: #61 wheat-dogghazi

When I was working one summer in college (1976) I was paid the princely sum of $3/hr for working summer hotel, and time and half for OT. In today’s terms, that $12.60/hr. dollartimes.com So, I managed to live pretty comfortably and save money for college expenses that summer.

i doubt I could do it now working at minimum wage.

I just used that widget to check my 1980 budget, attending a selective private college.

1980 tuition, $8k a year.
1980 part-time word-processing job, $8/hr.
adjusted for inflation, that would be $24k tuition, and $25/hr job.

2014, they currently charge $40k tuition.
Word processing, if it’s even a job anymore, would still be $8/hr.

Why I could work my way through, and today’s kids can’t. Slackers.

75 calochortus  Jul 25, 2014 9:30:42am

re: #69 Lidane

Paul Ryan Will Vote To Sue Obama

So, in what court do you sue a sitting president for not performing his duty? I thought that court was the senate and you impeached the president if you wished to have a legal resolution. But what do I, a mere liberal, know of such things?

76 GlutenFreeJesus  Jul 25, 2014 9:30:56am

Solution. Let’s dump (actually dump) Hoft and all his fucking followers into these South American drug wars. Unarmed and with no money. They won’t last 30 minutes before they are begging to be taken out of there.

77 Teukka  Jul 25, 2014 9:31:19am

I really wish that some investigative journalist or team of such would take it upon themselves to deeply investigate the influences and financing of the right-wing in the US.

Frankly, I’m more and more getting the feeling that this is more than just plain wingnuttery, they’re being encouraged by some third party.

78 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 25, 2014 9:31:37am

Wingnut Scripture:

79 Romantic Heretic  Jul 25, 2014 9:32:03am

re: #58 HappyWarrior

Honestly, I think it’s telling that these people think that workers wanting wages of 10 dollars a hour are greedy but say nary a word about executives who give themselves six sometimes seven digit bonuses but I guess I’m just “jealous” of their success.

Hell, I’m jealous of the bonuses those executive employees pay themselves.

If I, as a serf, fuck up I get canned and de facto blacklisted. If a feudal lord fucks up they might get canned (although that’s iffy) but they keep everything and probably have another job of the same type within the year.

Who wouldn’t be jealous?

80 Decatur Deb  Jul 25, 2014 9:32:19am

re: #73 HappyWarrior

It’s also somehow hypocritical for a liberal to be rich. I’m no Michael Moore fan but this latest fauxrage about him owning 9 homes is stupid.

A few more and he can run for president as a Republican.

81 calochortus  Jul 25, 2014 9:32:39am

re: #78 Pie-onist Overlord

Wingnut Scripture:

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I’ll bite. Why can’t you disagree with that?

82 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 25, 2014 9:32:43am

re: #77 Teukka

I really wish that some investigative journalist or team of such would take it upon themselves to deeply investigate the influences and financing of the right-wing in the US.

Frankly, I’m more and more getting the feeling that this is more than just plain wingnuttery, they’re being encouraged by some third party.

The money is mostly coming from the Kochs.

83 Targetpractice  Jul 25, 2014 9:33:18am

re: #69 Lidane

Paul Ryan Will Vote To Sue Obama

Bitch plz. As if anyone with an (R) after their name is going to vote against it. They don’t have the grounds to impeach the President, so they’re going to waste everyone’s time and sue him instead.

You know, because handing Obama a bully pulpit issue to beat the GOP with has worked out so well for them.

I’m not worried about which Republicans will vote for it, because I know that no matter what happens, Boehner will pull together 218 Republicans to vote for this lunacy. What I’m worried about is which Democrats are gonna jump aboard this crazy train.

84 ObserverArt  Jul 25, 2014 9:33:18am

re: #52 Pie-onist Overlord

Janie has never had a job, she just hung out at the country club and married a rich guy (according to her own profile page). Yet for some reason she thinks she is an expert on business and the economy.

Do you even know what it takes to hang out at a country club and attract a rich guy? Sheesh.

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85 wheat-dogghazi  Jul 25, 2014 9:33:19am

re: #77 Teukka

Well, it’s pretty clear than the Koch brothers are financing a lot of it. Then you’ve got the Walton family, and several other big corporate types all bankrolling the GOP.

86 Lidane  Jul 25, 2014 9:33:20am

re: #76 GlutenFreeJesus

Solution. Let’s dump (actually dump) Hoft and all his fucking followers into these South American drug wars. Unarmed and with no money. They won’t last 30 minutes before they are begging to be taken out of there.

This could also work for them in terms of labor. Force these jackoffs to work in a factory farm or a meat packing plant or in the fields for a single day. No breaks, no cushy chairs to sit on when they get tired, no benefits at all, and shit wages. Let’s see how long they last.

87 Romantic Heretic  Jul 25, 2014 9:33:27am

re: #62 Pie-onist Overlord

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Something trickles down. It says bad things about the teahadis mindset that they like it.

88 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 25, 2014 9:33:38am

re: #81 calochortus

I’ll bite. Why can’t you disagree with that?

WHAT ARE U SOME KIND OF MARXIST COMMUNIST!!!!!!!

89 Decatur Deb  Jul 25, 2014 9:34:28am

re: #82 Pie-onist Overlord

The money is mostly coming from the Kochs.

The minimum hourly wage should be set at 1/10,000 the cost of a GOP senator.

90 Romantic Heretic  Jul 25, 2014 9:34:54am

re: #67 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Let them eat each other.

No meat on the poor. Which is why the wealthy should be worried if it comes to that.

91 wheat-dogghazi  Jul 25, 2014 9:35:17am

re: #80 Decatur Deb

A few more and he can run for president as a Republican.

Only if one of them has an elevator for his cars.

92 makeitstop  Jul 25, 2014 9:35:59am

re: #72 wheat-dogghazi

I confess to be befuddled by this suing Obama thing. Is this even legal? Constitutionally, it sounds really fishy.

America has gone through worse crises, and I don’t recall any Congress threatening to sue the president.

It’s playing to the cheap seats, pure and simple. Red meat for mouth-breathers.

My dream scenario - Obama would choose to defend himself, and thoroughly and methodically humiliate each and every one of his inquisitors. Maybe he’d come in armed with some oppo research and bring to light each inquisitor’s unethical and/or illegal behavior.

All on national TV.

93 Teukka  Jul 25, 2014 9:36:05am

re: #85 wheat-dogghazi

Well, it’s pretty clear than the Koch brothers are financing a lot of it. Then you’ve got the Walton family, and several other big corporate types all bankrolling the GOP.

re: #82 Pie-onist Overlord

The money is mostly coming from the Kochs.

Just a hunch, but what if a foreign power which shall remain unnamed has been influencing the TPGOP by various means (on top of the Kochs and Waltons) in order to weaken the democratic process of the US and its administration, so that the US wouldn’t be able to act decisively against its territorial ambitions?

94 Decatur Deb  Jul 25, 2014 9:36:17am

re: #91 wheat-dogghazi

Only if one of them has an elevator for his cars.

Sure, 9 houses. But does he have a fuckn’ horse that does the tango?

95 HappyWarrior  Jul 25, 2014 9:36:40am

It’s all stupid too. No rich person is being taxed out of prosperity. Obama wants Clinton era tax brackets for the very wealthy. If you think that’s you being taxed out of prosperity than you have no understanding of our tax code past and present not to mention basic reality. What these lunatics want is a society where the wealthy stay wealthy and more important where outside of luck the poor stay poor. A society has every right to give the less well off tools to better themselves economically. The right wingers want to talk about bootstraps when they want to give the bootstraps to the rich.

96 HappyWarrior  Jul 25, 2014 9:37:07am

re: #94 Decatur Deb

Sure, 9 houses. But does he have a fuckn’ horse that does the tango?

How about a car elevator?

97 ObserverArt  Jul 25, 2014 9:37:43am

Just because his name popped up.

98 Romantic Heretic  Jul 25, 2014 9:37:53am

re: #84 ObserverArt

Do you even know what it takes to hang out at a country club and attract a rich guy? Sheesh.

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In other words, she’s seen more ceilings that Michelangelo.

99 wheat-dogghazi  Jul 25, 2014 9:38:12am

re: #93 Teukka

Just a hunch, but what if a foreign power which shall remain unnamed has been influencing the TPGOP by various means (on top of the Kochs and Waltons) in order to weaken the democratic process of the US and its administration, so that the US wouldn’t be able to act decisively against its territorial ambitions?

So, Canada wants to take us over?
//

100 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 25, 2014 9:39:00am

re: #95 HappyWarrior

It’s all stupid too. No rich person is being taxed out of prosperity. Obama wants Clinton era tax brackets for the very wealthy. If you think that’s you being taxed out of prosperity than you have no understanding of our tax code past and present not to mention basic reality. What these lunatics want is a society where the wealthy stay wealthy and more important where outside of luck the poor stay poor. A society has every right to give the less well off tools to better themselves economically. The right wingers want to talk about bootstraps when they want to give the bootstraps to the rich.

They basically want a return to feudalism.

101 Teukka  Jul 25, 2014 9:39:32am

re: #99 wheat-dogghazi

So, Canada wants to take us over?
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More like a far bigger country implicated in the accidental downing of a passenger airliner. I mean, elements of the RW have been repeating that particular administrations talking points about the incident.

102 HappyWarrior  Jul 25, 2014 9:39:42am

re: #100 Pie-onist Overlord

They basically want a return to feudalism.

Precisely right down to the fact where the poor need to be grateful to the wealthy. It’s not capitalism that they believe in. It’s modern day feudalism.

103 Sabreen65  Jul 25, 2014 9:40:05am

“Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed, to me:
I lift my lamp beside the golden door.”
Oh wait!! I was just kidding. You misunderstood. Didn’t mean the brown ones.

104 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 25, 2014 9:41:16am

Welp, yesterday I was listening to CNN and suddenly this commercial comes on for Jenny McCarthy’s new Sirius XM sexytimes talk show.

WTF SiriusXM why are you giving a program to this dangerous horrible person?It’s not even like you can show her being naked on the radio.

105 wheat-dogghazi  Jul 25, 2014 9:41:21am

re: #101 Teukka

More like a far bigger country implicated in the accidental downing of a passenger airliner. I mean, elements of the RW have been repeating that particular administrations talking points about the incident.

No, I got your drift. I’m not sure Putin is that diabolical. Our swing to the far right is sadly purely homegrown, a combination of fundamentalist Christianity and plutocratic greed.

106 HappyWarrior  Jul 25, 2014 9:43:01am

Fact of the matter is the ideal America they have is a combination of an America that never was or the same America that tolerated legal slavery, child labor, etc. We live in a modern society. These people want all the benefits of a modern society but they don’t want to pay for it.

107 calochortus  Jul 25, 2014 9:45:27am

re: #88 Pie-onist Overlord

WHAT ARE U SOME KIND OF MARXIST COMMUNIST!!!!!!!

I guess I must be. Who knew?

108 Teukka  Jul 25, 2014 9:45:51am

re: #105 wheat-dogghazi

No, I got your drift. I’m not sure Putin is that diabolical. Our swing to the far right is sadly purely homegrown, a combination of fundamentalist Christianity and plutocratic greed.

With what I’ve seen happening in Russia as of late, the ideology in use, the tactics etc., I’m not so sure Vlad is not that diabolical or that crazy. And he would have an easy job, the plutocratic greed and fundie Christianity has done the best part of the job.

109 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 25, 2014 9:45:58am

re: #106 HappyWarrior

Fact of the matter is the ideal America they have is a combination of an America that never was or the same America that tolerated legal slavery, child labor, etc. We live in a modern society. These people want all the benefits of a modern society but they don’t want to pay for it.

You have these Silicon Valley Libertarian dudebros who got rich by making apps for a system that was developed and implemented by the government and they think they did it all by themselves.

110 HappyWarrior  Jul 25, 2014 9:47:31am

re: #109 Pie-onist Overlord

You have these Silicon Valley Libertarian dudebros who got rich by making apps for a system that was developed and implemented by the government and they think they did it all by themselves.

Yep.

111 Bulworth  Jul 25, 2014 9:47:45am

Paul Ryan’s war on poverty plan, which Bryan Fischer doesn’t like, would require beneficiaries to sign performance “contracts” and find non-poor friends.

Ryan’s Poverty Plan: Low-Income Families Will Be Held To “A Contract Outlining Specific And Measurable Benchmarks For Success.” The “discussion draft” submitted by Rep. Paul Ryan (R-WI) to the House Budget Committee on potential solutions to poverty in America includes the proposal that low-income Americans would have to sign “contracts” in order to remain eligible for social safety net benefits, such as food stamps, or SNAP. The contract would include: benchmarks, such as finding a job, enrolling in employment training, or even meeting “new acquaintances outside circle of poverty”; a “timeline” in which individuals are contractually-obligated to meet those benchmarks; bonuses for meeting benchmarks early; and “sanctions for breaking the terms of the contract”:

mediamatters.org

Kind of surprised Bryan Fischer doesn’t like this.

112 Lidane  Jul 25, 2014 9:49:25am

The Constitution, yer doin’ it wrong —

Mat Staver Calls For Obama’s Impeachment Over Anti-Discrimination Executive Order

Protecting LGBT citizens from discrimination = high crimes and misdemeanors. Who knew?

113 HappyWarrior  Jul 25, 2014 9:49:29am

re: #111 Bulworth

Paul Ryan’s war on poverty plan, which Bryan Fischer doesn’t like, would require beneficiaries to sign performance “contracts” and find non-poor friends.

mediamatters.org

Kind of surprised Bryan Fischer doesn’t like this.

Probably because it doesn’t involve daily humiliations for being poor where a TCOTer shouts at them.

114 wheat-dogghazi  Jul 25, 2014 9:49:34am

re: #111 Bulworth

Paul Ryan’s war on poverty plan, which Bryan Fischer doesn’t like, would require beneficiaries to sign performance “contracts” and find non-poor friends.

mediamatters.org

Kind of surprised Bryan Fischer doesn’t like this.

Very paternalistic and condescending plan. Should be right up Bryan’s alley.

115 Decatur Deb  Jul 25, 2014 9:49:34am

re: #111 Bulworth

Paul Ryan’s war on poverty plan, which Bryan Fischer doesn’t like, would require beneficiaries to sign performance “contracts” and find non-poor friends.

mediamatters.org

Kind of surprised Bryan Fischer doesn’t like this.

Paul Ryan just re-invented indentured servitude.

116 HappyWarrior  Jul 25, 2014 9:49:53am

re: #112 Lidane

The Constitution, yer doin’ it wrong —

Mat Staver Calls For Obama’s Impeachment Over Anti-Discrimination Executive Order

Protecting LGBT citizens from discrimination = high crimes and misdemeanors. Who knew?

It is if you’re a theocratic fuckstickle.

117 wrenchwench  Jul 25, 2014 9:50:03am

People have been dying on the border for decades. It’s less of a problem for minors because the 2008 law which promises them a shot at asylum was passed to reduce child trafficking. The children are turning themselves in, not trying to sneak across at night or crossing in remote deserts to avoid Border agents. Adults get more harassment in Mexico and at the border. Wingnuts can’t tell the difference.

Official: 72 found dead in Mexico may be migrants [From four years ago.]

Those turned out to be Central Americans who were kidnapped by the Zeta cartel and held for ransom, until for some reason they up and slaughtered the 72 men and women in their possession. Mass graves have been found containing other migrants.

118 HappyWarrior  Jul 25, 2014 9:50:21am

re: #115 Decatur Deb

Paul Ryan just re-invented indentured servitude.

Yes, Bryan would prefer he re-invent slavery though.

119 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Jul 25, 2014 9:50:39am

re: #75 calochortus

So, in what court do you sue a sitting president for not performing his duty? I thought that court was the senate and you impeached the president if you wished to have a legal resolution. But what do I, a mere liberal, know of such things?

House impeaches, Senate holds trial and passes judgment.

Edit: you probably knew this. I just misread your post.

120 Decatur Deb  Jul 25, 2014 9:51:39am

re: #118 HappyWarrior

Yes, Bryan would prefer he re-invent slavery though.

Baby steps.

121 HappyWarrior  Jul 25, 2014 9:52:20am

re: #120 Decatur Deb

Baby steps.

Tell that to Bry. He’s the one upset.

122 Teukka  Jul 25, 2014 9:53:10am

re: #117 wrenchwench

People have been dying on the border for decades. It’s less of a problem for minors because the 2008 law which promises them a shot at asylum was passed to reduce child trafficking. The children are turning themselves in, not trying to sneak across at night or crossing in remote deserts to avoid Border agents. Adults get more harassment in Mexico and at the border. Wingnuts can’t tell the difference.

Official: 72 found dead in Mexico may be migrants [From four years ago.]

Those turned out to be Central Americans who were kidnapped by the Zeta cartel and held for ransom, until for some reason they up and slaughtered the 72 men and women in their possession. Mass graves have been found containing other migrants.

And that is what the tealiban want to send them back to?
Sheesh!

123 Lidane  Jul 25, 2014 9:53:30am

re: #115 Decatur Deb

Paul Ryan just re-invented indentured servitude.

Seriously.

He might as well bring back the hacienda system while he’s at it. Oh, wait. That was done by brown people. Never mind.

124 HappyWarrior  Jul 25, 2014 9:53:38am

re: #122 Teukka

And that is what the tealiban want to send them back to?
Sheesh!

Yep. But don’t call them hateful.

125 wrenchwench  Jul 25, 2014 9:53:39am

re: #103 Sabreen65

Welcome, hatchling.

126 wrenchwench  Jul 25, 2014 9:55:17am

re: #122 Teukka

And that is what the tealiban want to send them back to?
Sheesh!

And they think they can deter them from coming by saying “Don’t”. Even mass murder does not deter them.

127 Lidane  Jul 25, 2014 9:55:29am

The RWNJ obsession with gay sex and gay men is telling:

Tim Wildmon: Putting Michael Sam ‘In With All That Beefcake’ Is ‘Unfair To The Straight Players’

By the way, having been a sports reporter for a few years I’ve been in many football locker rooms where the players walk around naked or half-naked, changing clothes and going in and out of the showers. Putting a man like Sam, who says he is sexually attracted to men, in with all that beefcake seems unfair to the straight players and a distraction to Sam.

Would you put a heterosexual man in the locker room/showers with all the female cheerleaders? Would you tell the girl cheerleaders who objected to this man being in the locker room that they needed to end their bigoted and sexist attitude and treat the man with respect?

WTF.

128 Bulworth  Jul 25, 2014 9:55:29am

re:
#125

Where are the donuts?

129 calochortus  Jul 25, 2014 9:56:49am

re: #111 Bulworth

Paul Ryan’s war on poverty plan, which Bryan Fischer doesn’t like, would require beneficiaries to sign performance “contracts” and find non-poor friends.

mediamatters.org

Kind of surprised Bryan Fischer doesn’t like this.

Something a lot of people seem to miss is that being poor is actually pretty time consuming. Getting anywhere without a car means using public transit, which in most places means it takes 3 times as long to get anywhere, and you can’t carry a lot of stuff with you. If you have kids, you need to get them where they need to be on that same inefficient bus system. Any time you deal with a government agency you need to go there and sit and wait. You can’t do other stuff while you do the laundry because you have to go to the laundromat to do that laundry. Etc., etc., etc.

Then we move on to the question of how to have both parents working when there are kids at home and, oh yeah, no birth control to prevent another pregnancy.

Where are these folks going to get the time to become BFFs with rich people?

130 HappyWarrior  Jul 25, 2014 9:57:21am

re: #127 Lidane

The RWNJ obsession with gay sex and gay men is telling:

Tim Wildmon: Putting Michael Sam ‘In With All That Beefcake’ Is ‘Unfair To The Straight Players’

WTF.

And yet it was never a problem for him in high school or college. Your “concern” is noted, Mr. Wildmon.

131 HappyWarrior  Jul 25, 2014 9:58:12am

re: #129 calochortus

Something a lot of people seem to miss is that being poor is actually pretty time consuming. Getting anywhere without a car means using public transit, which in most places means it takes 3 times as long to get anywhere, and you can’t carry a lot of stuff with you. If you have kids, you need to get them where they need to be on that same inefficient bus system. Any time you deal with a government agency you need to go there and sit and wait. You can’t do other stuff while you do the laundry because you have to go to the laundromat to do that laundry. Etc., etc., etc.

Then we move on to the question of how to have both parents working when there are kids at home and, oh yeah, no birth control to prevent another pregnancy.

Where are these folks going to get the time to become BFFs with rich people?

Paul Ryan just lives in the fantasies of his Ayn Rand books.

132 wheat-dogghazi  Jul 25, 2014 9:58:28am

re: #127 Lidane

He misses the point that Sam was gay before he came out. The only difference now is that everyone knows he’s gay. His teammates could largely give a shit.

There are rumors there are lesbian cheerleaders. Don’t tell Wildmon, he might want to check it out for himself.

133 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 25, 2014 9:58:56am

re: #129 calochortus

Something a lot of people seem to miss is that being poor is actually pretty time consuming. Getting anywhere without a car means using public transit, which in most places means it takes 3 times as long to get anywhere, and you can’t carry a lot of stuff with you. If you have kids, you need to get them where they need to be on that same inefficient bus system. Any time you deal with a government agency you need to go there and sit and wait. You can’t do other stuff while you do the laundry because you have to go to the laundromat to do that laundry. Etc., etc., etc.

Then we move on to the question of how to have both parents working when there are kids at home and, oh yeah, no birth control to prevent another pregnancy.

Where are these folks going to get the time to become BFFs with rich people?

Not to mention: many poor people don’t have checking accounts so they have to rely on check-cashing services, payday advance loans, or get paid with debit cards where every transaction carries a fee.

It is expensive to be poor!

134 Kragar  Jul 25, 2014 9:59:30am

Dim Jim logic:

“I just noticed something for the first time. WHY HAS THE GOVERNMENT BEEN HIDING THIS FROM ME?”

135 wheat-dogghazi  Jul 25, 2014 9:59:49am

re: #129 calochortus

Where are these folks going to get the time to become BFFs with rich people?

They can have mixers at the country club!
/

136 Decatur Deb  Jul 25, 2014 9:59:51am

re: #131 HappyWarrior

Paul Ryan just lives in the fantasies of his Ayn Rand books.

And he’s super-Catholic. That means his mind has a 180 degree twist in it.

137 calochortus  Jul 25, 2014 10:01:08am

re: #132 wheat-dogghazi

He misses the point that Sam was gay before he came out. The only difference now is that everyone knows he’s gay. His teammates could largely give a shit.

There are rumors there are lesbian cheerleaders. Don’t tell Wildmon, he might want to check it out for himself.

Granted that I am no longer a sweet young thing, but I really don’t care who is looking at me in the locker room as long as their behavior is appropriate. No staring, no touching, no remarks. Most folks should be able to manage that.

138 Lidane  Jul 25, 2014 10:01:13am

re: #130 HappyWarrior

And yet it was never a problem for him in high school or college. Your “concern” is noted, Mr. Wildmon.

Right? Michael Sam managed to be the SEC Defensive Player of the Year in college while surrounded by a bunch of other guys in the locker room that all knew he was gay. They didn’t care and he wasn’t distracted.

The ONLY reason Michael Sam went so late in the draft was because of all the herpty derp over being gay. But if he’d kept his mouth shut, gotten drafted, then gotten outed later, all the derp would’ve been a billion times worse.

139 HappyWarrior  Jul 25, 2014 10:01:19am

re: #132 wheat-dogghazi

He misses the point that Sam was gay before he came out. The only difference now is that everyone knows he’s gay. His teammates could largely give a shit.

There are rumors there are lesbian cheerleaders. Don’t tell Wildmon, he might want to check it out for himself.

Seriously. The “concern” for the locker room is silly. Sam was openly gay among his college teammates. If it was such a problem as idiots like Wildmon think, you’d think that you would have heard something about it before Sam came out. Instead they finished 12-2 and finished ranked 5th in the country. I really hope Sam not only becomes a big star but also becomes hugely popular with his teammates just to show primitive morons like Wildmon how stupid they are when ti comes to gay athletes and peole.

140 calochortus  Jul 25, 2014 10:01:53am

re: #135 wheat-dogghazi

They can have mixers at the country club!
/

They can mix the drinks at the country club.

141 Decatur Deb  Jul 25, 2014 10:02:01am

re: #133 Pie-onist Overlord

Not to mention: many poor people don’t have checking accounts so they have to rely on check-cashing services, payday advance loans, or get paid with debit cards where every transaction carries a fee.

It is expensive to be poor!

Throw in the temp agency fees that are more and more the norm for low-paying unstable employers.

142 HappyWarrior  Jul 25, 2014 10:02:57am

re: #138 Lidane

Right? Michael Sam managed to be the SEC Defensive Player of the Year in college while surrounded by a bunch of other guys in the locker room that all knew he was gay. They didn’t care and he wasn’t distracted.

The ONLY reason Michael Sam went so late in the draft was because of all the herpty derp over being gay. But if he’d kept his mouth shut, gotten drafted, then gotten outed later, all the derp would’ve been a billion times worse.

Exactly. I mean it’s stupid. The “concern” is oh what about the locker room. His college teammate knew he was gay. I believe he was a team captain too. There really is a lot of insecurity about openly gay people by the religious right and I think it’s rooted in the fact that openly gay people are comfortable with who they are where as these nutters like Wildmon are not.

143 Flying Squirrel Girl  Jul 25, 2014 10:03:47am

re: #134 Kragar

He probably also thinks he’s hiding when he closes his eyes.

144 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 25, 2014 10:03:59am
145 b_sharp  Jul 25, 2014 10:05:07am

re: #142 HappyWarrior

Exactly. I mean it’s stupid. The “concern” is oh what about the locker room. His college teammate knew he was gay. I believe he was a team captain too. There really is a lot of insecurity about openly gay people by the religious right and I think it’s rooted in the fact that openly gay people are comfortable with who they are where as these nutters like Wildmon are not.

They can’t control their sexual urges without praying so they’re afraid the gays won’t be able to control their sexual urges in the locker room without preying.

146 darthstar  Jul 25, 2014 10:05:35am

re: #144 Pie-onist Overlord

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That one roped in a teabagger congressman yesterday.

147 wrenchwench  Jul 25, 2014 10:05:46am

re: #128 Bulworth

re:
#125

Where are the donuts?

I’ve always thought we should give the hatchlings donuts and beverages, not make them provide some. More mannerly.

148 TedStriker  Jul 25, 2014 10:06:16am

re: #43 wheat-dogghazi

Then how does she explain Girl Scout cookie sales? Boy Scout chocolate bar sales?

We in the Boy Scouts do popcorn (Trail’s End)…that’s our nationally sanctioned fundraiser that’s analogous to the Girl Scout cookie sales.

149 b_sharp  Jul 25, 2014 10:06:25am

re: #147 wrenchwench

I’ve always thought we should give the hatchlings donuts and beverages, not make them provide some. More mannerly.

Don’t fuck with tradition girl.

150 darthstar  Jul 25, 2014 10:06:29am

re: #140 calochortus

They can mix the drinks at the country club.

Those weeds aren’t going to pull themselves.

151 wrenchwench  Jul 25, 2014 10:07:24am

re: #149 b_sharp

Don’t fuck with tradition girl.

That’s pretty much my goal in life, actually.

152 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 25, 2014 10:08:07am

re: #146 darthstar

That one roped in a teabagger congressman yesterday.

Actually that was a spoof account. I was pwn3d.

153 HappyWarrior  Jul 25, 2014 10:08:21am

re: #145 b_sharp

They can’t control their sexual urges without praying so they’re afraid the gays won’t be able to control their sexual urges in the locker room without preying.

Hah win.

154 HappyWarrior  Jul 25, 2014 10:08:47am

re: #146 darthstar

That one roped in a teabagger congressman yesterday.

Wasn’t a real Congressman. Should have known since it wasn’t Steve Stockman.

155 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 25, 2014 10:10:05am

re: #154 HappyWarrior

Wasn’t a real Congressman. Should have known since it wasn’t Steve Stockman.

But this is a real actual Congressperson:

156 Decatur Deb  Jul 25, 2014 10:10:29am

re: #147 wrenchwench

I’ve always thought we should give the hatchlings donuts and beverages, not make them provide some. More mannerly.

We should make them sign contracts and suffer penalties for non-performance. They can meet new acquaintances outside the Circle of Derp.

157 wheat-dogghazi  Jul 25, 2014 10:11:04am

re: #155 Pie-onist Overlord

Is he trying to eliminate Common Core, which is sort of a national curriculum, kinda?

158 HappyWarrior  Jul 25, 2014 10:11:25am

re: #155 Pie-onist Overlord

But this is a real actual Congressperson:

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Yep sometimes reality is worse than fiction.

159 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 25, 2014 10:11:48am

re: #157 wheat-dogghazi

Is he trying to eliminate Common Core, which is sort of a national curriculum, kinda?

Yes.

160 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 25, 2014 10:12:26am

Also too: he is a “Fair Taxer” who wants to eliminate the IRS and impose a 30% national sales tax.

161 Kragar  Jul 25, 2014 10:12:40am

re: #155 Pie-onist Overlord

But this is a real actual Congressperson:

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162 HappyWarrior  Jul 25, 2014 10:13:06am

re: #157 wheat-dogghazi

Is he trying to eliminate Common Core, which is sort of a national curriculum, kinda?

It’s probably your usual get rid of the Department of Education nonsense that has been rampant on the right since the Reagan years. Honestly, I think something of a national curriculum is a good thing given that our kids try to enroll in the same universities nationwide. Granted some subtle differences are good like I have no problem with a state and region emphasizing their history or literature but things like mathematics and science should be pretty much uniform.

163 HappyWarrior  Jul 25, 2014 10:15:16am

Like say you’re in Virginia like me. I have no problem with colonial Williamsburg getting more emphasis or if you’re from Massachusetts the Plymouth colony but things like mathematics and science really do need to be very closely tied. You can’t teach creation or “intelligence design” as science while teaching evolution elsewhere.

164 Joanne  Jul 25, 2014 10:15:30am

re: #155 Pie-onist Overlord

But this is a real actual Congressperson:

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See how hard it is to tell the difference? You cannot out satirize the Tbaggers. They do it to themselves.

165 Joanne  Jul 25, 2014 10:16:20am

re: #160 Pie-onist Overlord

Also too: he is a “Fair Taxer” who wants to eliminate the IRS and impose a 30% national sales tax.

A 30% national tax? Wowza. That will go over big with the anti-tax crowd.

166 Bulworth  Jul 25, 2014 10:16:25am

re:
#160

I wonder how, or by what type of agency, a national sales tax would be monitored, enforced? Or would it operate on a “good faith” basis? Hey I’m just asking questions….

167 calochortus  Jul 25, 2014 10:17:15am

re: #165 Joanne

A 30% national tax? Wowza. That will go over big with the anti-tax crowd.

And think how it will encourage people to buy stuff and keep the economy going! (No? Oh well…)

168 HappyWarrior  Jul 25, 2014 10:17:46am

re: #165 Joanne

A 30% national tax? Wowza. That will go over big with the anti-tax crowd.

It’s bad policy too especially in a consumer based economy such as ours but something tells me that he figures since he’s well off that everyone else can fuck off.

169 HappyWarrior  Jul 25, 2014 10:18:16am

re: #167 calochortus

And think how it will encourage people to buy stuff and keep the economy going! (No? Oh well…)

And you get at why the 9-9-9 plan was stupid.

170 Franklin Brewsevelt  Jul 25, 2014 10:18:27am

re: #138 Lidane

Right? Michael Sam managed to be the SEC Defensive Player of the Year in college while surrounded by a bunch of other guys in the locker room that all knew he was gay. They didn’t care and he wasn’t distracted.

The ONLY reason Michael Sam went so late in the draft was because of all the herpty derp over being gay. But if he’d kept his mouth shut, gotten drafted, then gotten outed later, all the derp would’ve been a billion times worse.

YEAH BUT THIS IS NFL BEEFCAKE! NOT SEC BEEFCAKE!

171 wheat-dogghazi  Jul 25, 2014 10:19:33am

re: #162 HappyWarrior

The Common Core Standards are pretty much that — guidelines for the states to follow. Some states have opted out of CCS, which means now they have to scramble to develop their own which are still comparable to the national standards. So far, the only CCS in place are for math and language arts. Science and history standards are around the corner, so expect a lot of outrage from the RWNJs when their favorite topics are not covered.

172 HappyWarrior  Jul 25, 2014 10:19:56am

re: #170 Franklin Brewsevelt

YEAH BUT THIS IS NFL BEEFCAKE! NOT SEC BEEFCAKE!

Beeeeeeeeeefcake.
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173 HappyWarrior  Jul 25, 2014 10:21:07am

re: #171 wheat-dogghazi

The Common Core Standards are pretty much that — guidelines for the states to follow. Some states have opted out of CCS, which means now they have to scramble to develop their own which are still comparable to the national standards. So far, the only CCS in place are for math and language arts. Science and history standards are around the corner, so expect a lot of outrage from the RWNJs when their favorite topics are not covered.

Right. I figured. This really is just common sense.

174 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 25, 2014 10:21:31am

re: #165 Joanne

A 30% national tax? Wowza. That will go over big with the anti-tax crowd.

They are the ones who are promoting it. They claim it will promote frugality or something like that. Which of course you know it’s “good” (in opposites speak) for the economy when people don’t buy stuff.

The sales tax would be a regressive tax on the poors. Poor people spend virtually 100% of what they earn. Very wealthy people spend a much smaller percent of what they take in.

175 Lidane  Jul 25, 2014 10:21:36am

re: #165 Joanne

A 30% national tax? Wowza. That will go over big with the anti-tax crowd.

They won’t care. When those jabbering morans talk about being anti-tax, they talk about income taxes, estate taxes, and capital gains taxes — you know, the kind of shit that someone who would be destroyed by a 30% sales tax would be too poor to care about.

176 Targetpractice  Jul 25, 2014 10:23:10am

re: #165 Joanne

A 30% national tax? Wowza. That will go over big with the anti-tax crowd.

It’s the sort of nonsense that appeals to people who have absolutely no understanding of economics. Out of all the US, only nine states have done away with income taxes. And most only have their heads above water right now because they’ve got plentiful amounts of oil and natural resources to exploit.

177 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 25, 2014 10:23:20am

re: #175 Lidane

They won’t care. When those jabbering morans talk about being anti-tax, they talk about income taxes, estate taxes, and capital gains taxes — you know, the kind of shit that someone who would be destroyed by a 30% sales tax would be too poor to care about.

This is why I have learned to just block & mute everyone who Tweets that 1913 meme and not engage them, because it’s just an avalanche of Teh Stupids.

178 HappyWarrior  Jul 25, 2014 10:23:30am

You know what, I’d settle for the opposite. A low sales tax while making up for the lost revenue with a small increase in other taxes.

179 BeachDem  Jul 25, 2014 10:24:45am

re: #11 lawhawk

Great list. I’d just like to add that the whole concept of it being “fear” that drives much of the right wing outrage seems largely overstated. Most of the wingers I see/meet are driven by pure meanness, not fear.

180 HappyWarrior  Jul 25, 2014 10:24:54am

re: #177 Pie-onist Overlord

This is why I have learned to just block & mute everyone who Tweets that 1913 meme and not engage them, because it’s just an avalanche of Teh Stupids.

All you need to do to shut them up about the 1913 meme is point out the size of our military that year. Or the fact that we resembled a third world country more then the the country we are today. I’ll second Oliver Wendell Holmes, I like taxes, with them I buy civilization.

181 Franklin Brewsevelt  Jul 25, 2014 10:26:43am

re: #171 wheat-dogghazi

The Common Core Standards are pretty much that — guidelines for the states to follow. Some states have opted out of CCS, which means now they have to scramble to develop their own which are still comparable to the national standards. So far, the only CCS in place are for math and language arts. Science and history standards are around the corner, so expect a lot of outrage from the RWNJs when their favorite topics are not covered.

Isn’t it true, however, that many of the states that opted into CC did so to get a slice of the Race To The Top funding?

182 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 25, 2014 10:27:02am

re: #180 HappyWarrior

All you need to do to shut them up about the 1913 meme is point out the size of our military that year. Or the fact that we resembled a third world country more then the the country we are today. I’ll second Oliver Wendell Holmes, I like taxes, with them I buy civilization.

If you point out what life was like in 1913 (the sweatshops, the racism, women not allowed to vote, child labor) they’re all HURR HURR WE’RETALKIN ABOUT TEH INCOME TAXES & NOTHING ELSE!!!!!!! DON’T CHANGE TEH SUBJECT!!!!!!

183 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Jul 25, 2014 10:29:14am

re: #161 Kragar

This annoys the fuck out of me. If we don’t set some real, national, education standards we end up with a hodgepodge that doesn’t allow us to compete real well as a nation. Education should be the one area we want most to excel at but no. I swear the republican slogan when it comes to education should be “Putting the DUMB in FREEDOM”.

184 HappyWarrior  Jul 25, 2014 10:29:16am

re: #182 Pie-onist Overlord

If you point out what life was like in 1913 (the sweatshops, the racism, women not allowed to vote, child labor) they’re all HURR HURR WE’RETALKIN ABOUT TEH INCOME TAXES & NOTHING ELSE!!!!!!! DON’T CHANGE TEH SUBJECT!!!!!!

Kind of like how they act like the antebellum days were the good old days but they get furious if you point out slavery. It shows to me how little they understand economics and history. They really do want the benefits of modernity but they don’t want to pay for it. In short, they’re greedy dumbasses.

185 HappyWarrior  Jul 25, 2014 10:30:23am

re: #183 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

This annoys the fuck out of me. If we don’t set some real, national, education standards we end up with a hodgepodge that doesn’t allow us to compete real well as a nation. Education should be the one area we want most to excel at but no. I swear the republican slogan when it comes to education should be “Putting the DUMB in FREEDOM”.

Education is usually the first thing they want to cut whether that’s in a national legislature , state, or locality. They say “You can’t throw money at a problem blah blah” but yet they’re content with a very bloated defense budget.

186 lawhawk  Jul 25, 2014 10:30:27am

re: #166 Bulworth

Good question. The IRS has a tough time dealing with individual taxpayers paying once a year plus corporate taxpayers, plus withholding and other reports required periodically.

Sales taxes? That would have to be done much more frequently. States collect generally monthly from businesses. You’d have to either piggyback on the state collection with remittances to the feds, or expand the IRS to handle more.

And once you start including exemptions and other differences, it becomes a mess. Because not every state taxes everything the same way. Heck, take the definition of a sandwich (prepared foods). Some states would tax it. Others wouldn’t. How would the feds handle that? Clothing? Some states tax. Others don’t.

Some states don’t have a sales tax at all (AK, DE, MT, NH, and OR), and they’re able to do so because of higher taxes and revenues from other sources.

187 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Jul 25, 2014 10:31:27am

re: #185 HappyWarrior

Education is usually the first thing they want to cut whether that’s in a national legislature , state, or locality. They say “You can’t throw money at a problem blah blah” but yet they’re content with a very bloated defense budget.

I swear they think the only way to maintain control is to keep the populace stupid and ignorant.

188 Lidane  Jul 25, 2014 10:31:31am

Michele Bachmann Says ‘The American People’ Must ‘Call For The President’s Impeachment’

“Legally, do I believe our president has committed impeachable offenses? Yes I do. And I believe that our president is subject to impeachment,” she said.

The Minnesota Republican, however, cautioned that House Republicans should wait to hold impeachment proceedings until they successfully “make the case” to voters.

Just once I want these chuckleheads to tell me, chapter and verse, which law Obama has broken that requires he be impeached. And no, being POTUS While Black isn’t a crime.

Morans.

189 Targetpractice  Jul 25, 2014 10:31:58am

re: #180 HappyWarrior

All you need to do to shut them up about the 1913 meme is point out the size of our military that year. Or the fact that we resembled a third world country more then the the country we are today. I’ll second Oliver Wendell Holmes, I like taxes, with them I buy civilization.

That’s because most of those who love the 1913 meme have no fucking clue what life was like in this country in 1913. They grew up with everything that their grandparents and great-grandparents built and paid for and thus have taken it all for granted. So when the suggestion is made that we can make do without an income tax, they just assume that we can because we have everything already.

190 darthstar  Jul 25, 2014 10:32:42am

re: #152 Pie-onist Overlord

Actually that was a spoof account. I was pwn3d.

Damn…me too then.

191 HappyWarrior  Jul 25, 2014 10:32:58am

re: #189 Targetpractice

That’s because most of those who love the 1913 meme have no fucking clue what life was like in this country in 1913. They grew up with everything that their grandparents and great-grandparents built and paid for and thus have taken it all for granted. So when the suggestion is made that we can make do without an income tax, they just assume that we can because we have everything already.

Nailed it.

192 Kragar  Jul 25, 2014 10:33:02am

How did we pay for stuff before 1913?

Huge fricking tariff and excise taxes.

193 Targetpractice  Jul 25, 2014 10:33:17am

re: #188 Lidane

Michele Bachmann Says ‘The American People’ Must ‘Call For The President’s Impeachment’

Just once I want these chuckleheads to tell me, chapter and verse, which law Obama has broken that requires he be impeached. And no, being POTUS While Black isn’t a crime.

Morans.

January can’t come soon enough. Then the Girl with the Faraway Eyes will be officially out on her ass.

194 Joanne  Jul 25, 2014 10:33:39am

re: #167 calochortus

And think how it will encourage people to buy stuff and keep the economy going! (No? Oh well…)

But Wait! For a limited time, you, and only you (if you make more than $500k annually) can pay a small fee (Just $9.95!!) and will be exempt from that 30% for life!

Fine print:
* 30% does not apply to yachts, country club memberships, or vehicles with a MRSP of greater than $75,000. Proof of income required (oh, you refuse to show us your tax returns? Now we know you’re eligible!

195 HappyWarrior  Jul 25, 2014 10:34:03am

re: #188 Lidane

Michele Bachmann Says ‘The American People’ Must ‘Call For The President’s Impeachment’

Just once I want these chuckleheads to tell me, chapter and verse, which law Obama has broken that requires he be impeached. And no, being POTUS While Black isn’t a crime.

Morans.

And yet Michelle they don’t want that. Don’t confuse your own voice for the American people’s. Why is she being so vocal about this too? I thought she was quitting? Oh wait, she’s gotta grift for her next failed presidential run. and probably has a book or Fox show waiting for her too.

196 darthstar  Jul 25, 2014 10:34:30am
197 Stanley Sea  Jul 25, 2014 10:35:00am

re: #190 darthstar

Damn…me too then.

Me 3. The final clue (provided by another twitter) was the R-Gotcha designation of the rep.

198 calochortus  Jul 25, 2014 10:36:03am

re: #194 Joanne

Sadly, that would probably happen.

199 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 25, 2014 10:36:37am

re: #192 Kragar

How did we pay for stuff before 1913?

Huge fricking tariff and excise taxes.

Yeah I pointed this out to a “Fair Taxer” & their reply was HURR HURR!!!! THAT’S WHY WE NEED TEH SALES TAX!!!!

When I pointed out this was an unfair (in spite of being called “fair” tax) burden on the poor, the reply was:

HURR HURR!!!! POORS CAN CHOOSE NOT TO BUY TEH STUFFS!!!! AREN’T U PRO-CHOICE!!!!!

200 GeneJockey  Jul 25, 2014 10:37:17am

re: #162 HappyWarrior

It’s probably your usual get rid of the Department of Education nonsense that has been rampant on the right since the Reagan years. Honestly, I think something of a national curriculum is a good thing given that our kids try to enroll in the same universities nationwide. Granted some subtle differences are good like I have no problem with a state and region emphasizing their history or literature but things like mathematics and science should be pretty much uniform.

I once tried to find the basic common ground with a bunch of wingers over education. I started with what I thought should be uncontroversial, especially since these clowns talk about ‘equal opportunity, not equal outcome.’ I said that I thought that the quality of a child’s public school education should not be a function where that child lives.

That seems pretty straightforward to me, and very much ‘equal opportunity’. You shouldn’t have to live where they have ‘good schools’ to get good schooling.

They couldn’t even agree to THAT!

201 Targetpractice  Jul 25, 2014 10:38:22am

re: #199 Pie-onist Overlord

Yeah I pointed this out to a “Fair Taxer” & their reply was HURR HURR!!!! THAT’S WHY WE NEED TEH SALES TAX!!!!

When I pointed out this was an unfair (in spite of being called “fair” tax) burden on the poor, the reply was:

HURR HURR!!!! POORS CAN CHOOSE NOT TO BUY TEH STUFFS!!!! AREN’T U PRO-CHOICE!!!!!

Yeah, that works right up until they get to the checkout counter and find that their food bill has jumped 30%.

Wait, who am I kidding? They’ll just blame Democrats, scream the tax is “too high,” and vote for Republicans on the promise of tax cuts.

202 Lidane  Jul 25, 2014 10:38:52am

re: #200 GeneJockey

I once tried to find the basic common ground with a bunch of wingers over education. I started with what I thought should be uncontroversial, especially since these clowns talk about ‘equal opportunity, not equal outcome.’ I said that I thought that the quality of a child’s public school education should not be a function where that child lives.

That seems pretty straightforward to me, and very much ‘equal opportunity’. You shouldn’t have to live where they have ‘good schools’ to get good schooling.

They couldn’t even agree to THAT!

Of course not. It’s how they justify paying a higher mortgage and living in a gated community.

203 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 25, 2014 10:40:02am

re: #201 Targetpractice

Yeah, that works right up until they get to the checkout counter and find that their food bill has jumped 30%.

Wait, who am I kidding? They’ll just blame Democrats, scream the tax is “too high,” and vote for Republicans on the promise of tax cuts.

HURR HURR TEH FREE MARKET WILL LOWER ALL TEH PRICES!!!!!!

Yes they really are this delusional.

204 calochortus  Jul 25, 2014 10:40:42am

re: #200 GeneJockey

That’s just sad.

205 wrenchwench  Jul 25, 2014 10:41:40am

re: #202 Lidane

Of course not. It’s how they justify paying a higher mortgage and living in a gated community.

It’s how they avoid feeling guilty for doing so.

206 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 25, 2014 10:42:36am

Not a spoof account.

207 lawhawk  Jul 25, 2014 10:43:49am

Hamas rejected the Kerry proposal even before Israel’s cabinet had a chance to reject it, which Israel just did:

208 Kragar  Jul 25, 2014 10:44:17am

re: #206 Pie-onist Overlord

Not a spoof account.

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209 Kragar  Jul 25, 2014 10:45:48am
210 GeneJockey  Jul 25, 2014 10:46:58am

re: #202 Lidane

Of course not. It’s how they justify paying a higher mortgage and living in a gated community.

Mostly, the ones I’m talking about don’t live in gated communities. But they don’t want their tax dollars going to help “urban” (wink, wink) schools. And they refuse to accept that the disparity between the quality of education THEIR kids get and “urban” kids get is a denial of equal opportunity.

211 Lidane  Jul 25, 2014 10:47:00am

Top White House aide: ‘Foolish to discount the possibility’ of impeachment

No shit. With the current crop of GOP howler monkeys, impeachment is inevitable. They won’t accept anything less.

I mean for fuck’s sake, we had a sitting Senator going out in front of the White House to join people protesting and calling for the President’s arrest. Does anyone honestly think the GOP isn’t going to find an excuse to impeach Obama? They’ve been casting around looking for one since 2008.

212 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Jul 25, 2014 10:47:13am

re: #208 Kragar

That slogan works for so many issues…

213 BeachDem  Jul 25, 2014 10:47:58am

re: #127 Lidane

They really are terrible at analogies, aren’t they?

214 GeneJockey  Jul 25, 2014 10:48:34am

re: #209 Kragar

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Someone should show that to her - “Here. This is what you look like. Do suppose Jesus looks favorably on you for that?”

215 lawhawk  Jul 25, 2014 10:49:13am

WWJD. Who would Jesus Deport?

216 calochortus  Jul 25, 2014 10:49:40am

BBL

217 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jul 25, 2014 10:50:00am

More about Graham Phillips.

218 Decatur Deb  Jul 25, 2014 10:50:29am

re: #209 Kragar

In today’s “faces of angry white people screaming at children of color”

…and the cayuses they rode in on.

219 GeneJockey  Jul 25, 2014 10:50:42am

re: #215 lawhawk

WWJD. Who would Jesus Deport?

WCFDDCWJSF - Which Child Fleeing Deadly Drug Cartels Would Jesus Shoot First?

220 Eventual Carrion  Jul 25, 2014 10:52:15am

re: #162 HappyWarrior

It’s probably your usual get rid of the Department of Education nonsense that has been rampant on the right since the Reagan years. Honestly, I think something of a national curriculum is a good thing given that our kids try to enroll in the same universities nationwide. Granted some subtle differences are good like I have no problem with a state and region emphasizing their history or literature but things like mathematics and science should be pretty much uniform.

If I want to say 1+1=11 then I will damn well teach it that way.

//
*And yes I know it really equals 7*

221 BeachDem  Jul 25, 2014 10:52:15am

re: #133 Pie-onist Overlord

Not to mention: many poor people don’t have checking accounts so they have to rely on check-cashing services, payday advance loans, or get paid with debit cards where every transaction carries a fee.

It is expensive to be poor!

And even when it comes to public transit, the poor are in the worst position—being the most likely to pay the full cash fare, even when they use transit every day, because they aren’t going to have the $50 or more at one time to buy a monthly pass.

222 GeneJockey  Jul 25, 2014 10:53:59am

re: #221 BeachDem

And even when it comes to public transit, the poor are in the worst position—being the most likely to pay the full cash fare, even when they use transit every day, because they aren’t going to have the $50 or more at one time to buy a monthly pass.

But, you know, there shouldn’t even BE public transportation because it’s not in the Constitution. And the poors shouldn’t be allowed to have cars, either.

223 NJDhockeyfan  Jul 25, 2014 10:54:27am
224 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jul 25, 2014 10:55:04am

re: #217 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

Heh, scratch that. I now read that he has been deported from Ukraine once again. Sometimes the news are arriving faster than I can read them.

225 Flying Squirrel Girl  Jul 25, 2014 10:55:26am

re: #210 GeneJockey

The parents of kids doing poorly in inner city schools should support vouchers, then, so they can drive their kid across town to a better school.

///

226 Flying Squirrel Girl  Jul 25, 2014 10:56:44am

re: #222 GeneJockey

There shouldn’t be public transportation when the buses only have 4 or 5 people on them.

///

227 wheat-dogghazi  Jul 25, 2014 10:57:16am

Time for bed here. See you all later.

228 Kragar  Jul 25, 2014 10:58:07am
229 lawhawk  Jul 25, 2014 10:58:26am

re: #220 Eventual Carrion

Nope. It’s 10. In binary, that is.

230 Teukka  Jul 25, 2014 10:59:48am

re: #228 Kragar

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WTFITSICE?

*flips desk, napalms it*

231 makeitstop  Jul 25, 2014 11:00:49am

re: #228 Kragar

Bachmann: child migrants may have Ebola; Obama letting “pandemic of disease to come into our country”

Oh, FFFS.

232 Decatur Deb  Jul 25, 2014 11:03:20am

re: #228 Kragar

Bachmann: child migrants may have Ebola; Obama letting “pandemic of disease to come into our country”

Trying to think how Dr. C. Everett Koop, President Reagan’s Surgeon General, would have reacted to such mindless malice.

233 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jul 25, 2014 11:03:36am

Don’t let LGF become a desk graveyard. Save the desks! ;)

(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻

234 wrenchwench  Jul 25, 2014 11:03:43am
235 Decatur Deb  Jul 25, 2014 11:05:08am

re: #233 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

Don’t let LGF become a desk graveyard. Save the desks! ;)

(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻

Trying to make it a demonstration sport at the next Olympics.

236 Kragar  Jul 25, 2014 11:05:45am

re: #234 wrenchwench

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The kind of hair that says “I DESPERATELY NEED ATTENTION.”

237 Lidane  Jul 25, 2014 11:06:55am

re: #228 Kragar

Poor, desperate children in Central America have left their homes, their families, and everything they’ve ever known to flee the cartels and the violence. They’ve walked here unarmed, unaccompanied, and over thousands of miles so that they can immediately surrender to the American government and beg for help.

If your response to that involves freakouts about disease, or about a political party being hurt in the long run, or threats to build walls, lay down minefields, or otherwise intimidate and scare those kids, then you’re an asshole. Full stop. You’re a bigot, and an asshole and you have absolutely no heart.

238 dog philosopher  Jul 25, 2014 11:07:33am

re: #209 Kragar

“secure our borders”

if you’re so exercised about it get off your lazy privileged ass down to the desert and deal with the children yourself

personally

239 GeneJockey  Jul 25, 2014 11:07:41am

re: #228 Kragar

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Have there been any Ebola outbreaks in Central America? Ever?

But that’s the sort of scientific acumen you expect from Bachmann.

240 wrenchwench  Jul 25, 2014 11:07:47am

re: #232 Decatur Deb

Trying to think how Dr. C. Everett Koop, President Reagan’s Surgeon General, would have reacted to such mindless malice.

He would not lie for political reasons.

Koop Report

Koop, an opponent of abortion, resisted pressure from the Reagan administration in 1987 to prepare a report stating that abortion was psychologically harmful to women.[17] He said it was not a public health issue but a moral one.[1] Koop assigned an assistant, George Walter, the task of researching the matter. Walter obtained a list of articles from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), authored mostly by CDC abortion-surveillance staff, and consulted with Alan Guttmacher Institute personnel. Walter wrote a draft report on his findings and gave it to Koop.

In a January 10, 1989 letter to Reagan, Koop said that there was insufficient evidence to substantiate issuing the finding desired by the administration.[1][17][18] He also commented about how some of the president’s advisers thought that “it was a foregone conclusion that the negative health effects of abortion on women were so overwhelming that the evidence would force the reversal of Roe v. Wade”.[18]

Koop did not present the draft report to Reagan and claimed he never approved it.[18] In March 1989, the “Koop Report” became public after it was subpoenaed and became part of a Congressional subcommittee hearing.[18] Although there were allegations that the report had not been released previously because it was biased, the document contained all arguments on both sides of the issue.[18]

Although he might fib for money.

In 1999 testimony before Congress, Koop minimized concerns from health groups about the severity of allergies to latex gloves.[1] It was later discovered that a company that manufactured latex gloves had previously paid Koop $650,000 for consulting work.[1]

241 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jul 25, 2014 11:08:32am
242 Kragar  Jul 25, 2014 11:08:42am

Looking at the facts, I’m more likely to catch a contagious disease from a Texas church full of anti-vax nutjobs than I am from one of the kid’s crossing the border.

243 wrenchwench  Jul 25, 2014 11:08:50am

re: #236 Kragar

The kind of hair that says “I DESPERATELY NEED ATTENTION.”

I think somebody is jealous….

244 Teukka  Jul 25, 2014 11:09:02am

re: #239 GeneJockey

Have there been any Ebola outbreaks in Central America? Ever?

But that’s the sort of scientific acumen you expect from Bachmann.

Actually, there has been one in North America, the Ebola-Rheston strain. It was limited to a population of monkeys tho. It does have virologists worried tho, as they have nagging suspicions it was airborne.

245 GeneJockey  Jul 25, 2014 11:09:05am

re: #236 Kragar

The kind of hair that says “I DESPERATELY NEED ATTENTION.”

The kind of hair that says “I don’t have male pattern baldness”.

246 Kragar  Jul 25, 2014 11:09:20am

re: #239 GeneJockey

Have there been any Ebola outbreaks in Central America? Ever?

But that’s the sort of scientific acumen you expect from Bachmann.

She’s just waiting for her moment so she can charge in like the Light Brigade and save the day.

248 GeneJockey  Jul 25, 2014 11:11:24am

re: #244 Teukka

Actually, there has been one in North America, the Ebola-Rheston strain. It was limited to a population of monkeys tho. It does have virologist worried tho, as they have nagging suspicions it was airborne.

Yes. Which came from monkeys imported from the Philippines, which are not in Central America, are they?

249 wrenchwench  Jul 25, 2014 11:12:00am

re: #241 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

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Good target acquisition there: “I can’t see behind the clouds, too high…”

250 Decatur Deb  Jul 25, 2014 11:12:21am

re: #244 Teukka

Actually, there has been one in North America, the Ebola-Rheston strain. It was limited to a population of monkeys tho. It does have virologists worried tho, as they have nagging suspicions it was airborne.

Is that the lab outbreak described in The Hot Zone? (Serious book turned into a ridiculous movie.)

251 GeneJockey  Jul 25, 2014 11:12:40am

re: #244 Teukka

Actually, there has been one in North America, the Ebola-Rheston strain. It was limited to a population of monkeys tho. It does have virologist worried tho, as they have nagging suspicions it was airborne.

Which, BTW, means you’ll only get if from these kids if we have them work in animal research facilities.

252 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 25, 2014 11:12:41am
253 b.d.  Jul 25, 2014 11:13:25am

re: #252 Pie-onist Overlord

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OFFS

254 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 25, 2014 11:14:13am

HURR HURR!!!!!!

255 jaunte  Jul 25, 2014 11:14:17am
Bachmann: child migrants may have Ebola; Obama letting “pandemic of disease to come into our country”

Don’t you dare call them cowards, though.

256 Rightwingconspirator  Jul 25, 2014 11:14:24am

re: #252 Pie-onist Overlord

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Awww they forgot the favorite…

257 Teukka  Jul 25, 2014 11:14:55am

re: #250 Decatur Deb

Is that the lab outbreak described in The Hot Zone? (Serious book turned into a ridiculous movie.)

re: #248 GeneJockey

Yes. Which came from monkeys imported from the Philippines, which are not in Central America, are they?

Yep. And Yep.

More: Wikipedia - Reston Ebolavirus

258 Kragar  Jul 25, 2014 11:14:57am

re: #252 Pie-onist Overlord

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259 BeachDem  Jul 25, 2014 11:15:29am

re: #226 Flying Squirrel Girl

There shouldn’t be public transportation when the buses only have 4 or 5 people on them.

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You could probably remove the sarc tag, as I have heard that very argument from city officials many places (I work with public transit companies.)

260 HappyWarrior  Jul 25, 2014 11:17:33am

re: #228 Kragar

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She managed to be incredibly insensitive and stupid in one statement. Yes, Michelle because they wouldn’t be tested for diseases before being allowed to enter the country. What a twit.

261 b_sharp  Jul 25, 2014 11:18:21am

re: #245 GeneJockey

The kind of hair that says “I don’t have male pattern baldness”.

My baldness has no pattern, just evil intent.

262 Skip Intro  Jul 25, 2014 11:18:48am

re: #209 Kragar

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I think I’ve found a picture of their ancestors.

263 b_sharp  Jul 25, 2014 11:21:08am

re: #254 Pie-onist Overlord

HURR HURR!!!!!!

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It doesn’t matter who voted for the wars they still add to the debt, which the wingnuts are only too happy to pin on Obama.

264 ObserverArt  Jul 25, 2014 11:44:40am

re: #209 Kragar

[In today’s “faces of angry white people screaming at children of color”… goo.gl ]

These people don’t seem to have any idea of how ugly these images make them.

Ugly Americans…part 2,768.

265 William Barnett-Lewis  Jul 25, 2014 11:49:04am

re: #136 Decatur Deb

And he’s super-Catholic. That means his mind has a 180 degree twist in it.

I’m sorry Congresscritter Ryan but it’s time you simply acknowledge that you really worship Mamon and that Ayn Rand is His Profit…

266 Eventual Carrion  Jul 25, 2014 12:50:53pm

re: #254 Pie-onist Overlord

HURR HURR!!!!!!

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They voted for Bush to use his best judgement. That was a mistake.

267 darthstar  Jul 25, 2014 12:52:08pm

re: #206 Pie-onist Overlord

Not a spoof account.

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268 majii  Jul 25, 2014 5:39:52pm

The RW tools are playing copycat. My governor, the ethically-challenged Nathan Deal (R-GA), put on an Oscar winning performance yesterday. He said that he just found out yesterday that a little over 1,000 migrant kids were sent to GA, then he went into political-theatrics mode. The first thing he did was express his fake outrage that the kids had been sent to GA and he didn’t know about it. He then wrote a letter to the president in which he expressed compassion for the plight of these kids while demanding that they all be deported immediately. He went on to lecture the president about the rule of law. He’s a fine one to talk. The dumbass is so dumb that he didn’t know that kids have been being sent to GA for the last six months? The tool did the same thing when the first minor snow storm hit GA this year. He ignored it and traveled through the falling snow to an event where Atlanta mayor, Kasim Reed (D), was receiving a GA Citizen of the Year Award. He paid no attention to the NWS reports or local news reports and claimed he’d been caught “off guard” by the storm.

He also conveniently forgets that it’s his party that wants to sue the president for being lawless when Congress refuses to act on an issue and he uses his constitutionally-granted powers. It the height of hypocrisy for him and other GOPTPers to demand that the president break the law to satisfy them while they’re suing him for allegedly breaking the law. It’s no surprise to me that there are very few in the GOPTP who understand anything that goes on in our federal government when their “able” leaders are so f*cked up. Also, Deal forgot that he voted for the William Wilberforce Anti-Trafficking Act in 2008, the law he wants the president to violate. This is an election year, and Deal will do/say anything to encourage the RWers to show up at the polls and vote to reelect him in November, even if it includes lying his ass off.

269 wheat-dogghazi  Jul 25, 2014 7:30:21pm

re: #268 majii

I guarantee that someone in state government knew those kids were being sent to Georgia, probably someone in the child welfare office or a court clerk. It’s a routine matter that’s been in place for at least a decade, probably more, so there is no reason for anyone to tell the governor unless he makes it a habit to track who enters the state. It’s the same in Iowa and Idaho with their grandstanding governors.

The numbers we’re talking about are a drop in the bucket — 60,000 unaccompanied children out of 1 million immigrants each year. These poor kids have become a political football in the USA. Otherwise, the general public (sadly) wouldn’t pay them the least bit of attention.


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