1 Bulworth  Jul 29, 2014 12:50:07pm

Why doesn’t Obama lead?

//

2 Charles Johnson  Jul 29, 2014 12:51:05pm
3 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Jul 29, 2014 12:51:28pm

Fuck it, I’m ending all my conversations via helicopter now.

4 Kragar  Jul 29, 2014 12:51:41pm

Feed is choppy, can’t really watch it

5 Testy Toad T  Jul 29, 2014 12:52:01pm

re: #3 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

Fuck it, I’m ending all my conversations via helicopter now.

Or a smokebomb.

6 klys  Jul 29, 2014 12:52:11pm

re: #3 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

Fuck it, I’m ending all my conversations via helicopter now.

Don’t forget the snazzy Marine.

7 jaunte  Jul 29, 2014 12:52:51pm
a bearded dude speaking Pashto

That could describe a CIA operative, Jonah.

8 Kragar  Jul 29, 2014 12:53:14pm

So apparently this is a thing now.

WTF is fucking wrong with some people?

9 Testy Toad T  Jul 29, 2014 12:54:12pm

re: #8 Kragar

Yabut bears are the new Muslims.

10 Bulworth  Jul 29, 2014 12:54:20pm

re:
#2

Hah, Jonah made a funny. But why is this funny? Wingnuts don’t do funny well.

11 jaunte  Jul 29, 2014 12:54:32pm
12 blueraven  Jul 29, 2014 12:55:30pm

No matter what Obama does it will not be enough for the neocons.

Watch Krauthammer, McCain, Graham, et al.

13 Bulworth  Jul 29, 2014 12:55:59pm

re:
#11

I’d love to do that sometime. Make it happen, people.

Maybe I’ll arrange that on my retirement day….

14 Bulworth  Jul 29, 2014 12:57:06pm

re:
#12

Obama caused all this by disengaging and going on apology for America tour blah blah blah

15 jaunte  Jul 29, 2014 12:59:03pm
16 Dr Lizardo  Jul 29, 2014 12:59:56pm

re: #12 blueraven

No matter what Obama does it will not be enough for the neocons.

Watch Krauthammer, McCain, Graham, et al.

What do they expect him do? Launch an all-out nuclear attack on Russia?

President Obama is following the right strategy; pile on the economic pressure and make the Russian government and financial system bleed. Bring them to their knees economically.

Death by a thousand cuts.

17 Lidane  Jul 29, 2014 1:00:47pm

re: #15 jaunte

HIS NEXT FLIGHT SHOULD BE A ONE-WAY TO GITMO! ELEVENTY!

/Tea Party

18 Aunty Entity Dragon  Jul 29, 2014 1:01:38pm

O/T, but concerning the previous thread…

I noticed the “3 percenters” American flag those two cammie clowns had.

Bullshit.

It’s easy enough fo anyone to do the math on the percentage of Americans who served in the Revolution…but including those who served at least 3 months militia duty, you end up with something like over 25 percent of the population, or over 50 percent of all males from infancy to deathbed.

In other words, pretty much the entire available stock of manpower was being used…not “3 percent”. 3 percent covers only those who were actually in the Continental Army at any one time.

19 Teukka  Jul 29, 2014 1:02:05pm

re: #16 Dr Lizardo

What do they expect him do? Launch an all-out nuclear attack on Russia?

President Obama is following the right strategy; pile on the economic pressure and make the Russian government and financial system bleed. Bring them to their knees economically.

Death by a thousand cuts.

What about people also taking action? Boycotting goods made in Russia or from Russian raw materials?

20 Bulworth  Jul 29, 2014 1:02:31pm

re:
#15

He’s heading to
@WRBethesda
to visit wounded military personnel.

Oh sure moar PROPs!!!1 What about heroes in Benghazi who died?????!

21 Charles Johnson  Jul 29, 2014 1:02:40pm

Wow. Twitter CEO Dick Costolo is being interviewed on CNBC today and they asked people to submit questions to #askcostolo — but I doubt they were expecting this:

22 blueraven  Jul 29, 2014 1:03:14pm

re: #16 Dr Lizardo

What do they expect him do? Launch an all-out nuclear attack on Russia?

President Obama is following the right strategy; pile on the economic pressure and make the Russian government and financial system bleed. Bring them to their knees economically.

Death by a thousand cuts.

What they want is for Obama to provide lethal aide to Ukraine. But once we start providing military weapons it is a proxy war. Who knows where that could lead?

23 CuriousLurker  Jul 29, 2014 1:03:18pm

re: #16 Dr Lizardo

What do they expect him do? Launch an all-out nuclear attack on Russia?

President Obama is following the right strategy; pile on the economic pressure and make the Russian government and financial system bleed. Bring them to their knees economically.

Death by a thousand cuts.

He’s not enough of a cowboy. Even if he was he still wouldn’t be—cowboys have too positive an image—he’d be portrayed as an angry black thug.

24 lawhawk  Jul 29, 2014 1:03:29pm

While the ebola epidemic rages on, there is a bit of good news on another front that has bedeviled Africa - a malaria vaccine is showing promise in protecting kids for up to 18 months.

The news on the ebola front isn’t good. While MSF (Doctors Without Borders) is on the front lines along with local health experts, they’re dealing with an outbreak in urban areas that have never experienced ebola before and people are wary of doctors and hospitals because those infected never seem to recover - there are accounts of patients trying to escape or were taken by family members even though they were infectious. They have the potential of spreading the disease to others.

Add to that the potential to spread the disease to other areas through the transportation system.

In Nigeria, a man infected with Ebola collapsed at a crowded airport in its most populous city, Lagos. He later died. And now authorities are closely monitoring up to 59 people he might have come in contact with, according to Reuters.

25 Charles Johnson  Jul 29, 2014 1:05:05pm
26 wrenchwench  Jul 29, 2014 1:06:48pm

re: #21 Charles Johnson

Wow. Twitter CEO Dick Costolo is being interviewed on CNBC today and they asked people to submit questions to #askcostolo — but I doubt they were expecting this:

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Gee, I hope he doesn’t feel harassed by all those complaints.

/

27 klys  Jul 29, 2014 1:06:51pm

re: #18 Aunty Entity Dragon

O/T, but concerning the previous thread…

I noticed the “3 percenters” American flag those two cammie clowns had.

Bullshit.

It’s easy enough fo anyone to do the math on the percentage of Americans who served in the Revolution…but including those who served at least 3 months militia duty, you end up with something like over 25 percent of the population, or over 50 percent of all males from infancy to deathbed.

In other words, pretty much the entire available stock of manpower was being used…not “3 percent”. 3 percent covers only those who were actually in the Continental Army at any one time.

Math is hard.

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28 Charles Johnson  Jul 29, 2014 1:07:07pm
29 Dr Lizardo  Jul 29, 2014 1:07:17pm

re: #19 Teukka

What about people also taking action? Boycotting goods made in Russia or from Russian raw materials?

That could work, though on a lesser scale.

The US is pretty much a hegemon in the international financial system. If the doors are closed to business in the US financial system, the Europeans will follow suit, as they’re not going to risk their own financial system in a head-to-head clash with the US colossus.

Even the EU is now set to impose sector-wide sanctions against the Russian economy. That’s going to hurt the Russian government - the fact is, Russia needs the West far more than the West needs Russia, aside from her natural resources.

Russia is far too dependent on its natural resources. Much has been made of Russia and China doing a natural gas deal; that’s nice. The infrastructure for it doesn’t exist yet, and it will take a while to build. And I’m pretty sure the Chinese might be willing to lend money to Russia, but at conditions that would make your average loan shark look like the Pope.

30 Aunty Entity Dragon  Jul 29, 2014 1:07:30pm

re: #24 lawhawk

While the ebola epidemic rages on, there is a bit of good news on another front that has bedeviled Africa - a malaria vaccine is showing promise in protecting kids for up to 18 months.

The news on the ebola front isn’t good. While MSF (Doctors Without Borders) is on the front lines along with local health experts, they’re dealing with an outbreak in urban areas that have never experienced ebola before and people are wary of doctors and hospitals because those infected never seem to recover - there are accounts of patients trying to escape or were taken by family members even though they were infectious. They have the potential of spreading the disease to others.

Add to that the potential to spread the disease to other areas through the transportation system.

This is what we were warned about 20 years ago in “The Hot Zone”….hemorragic fever loose in an African urban area.

31 Kragar  Jul 29, 2014 1:10:05pm
32 Shiplord Kirel  Jul 29, 2014 1:10:07pm

re: #8 Kragar

So apparently this is a thing now.

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WTF is fucking wrong with some people?

He’s a liar out of desperate necessity. The power structure he represents has been discredited by science and social progress so a retreat into fantasy is the only way to keep it going.

Bryan, hundreds of thousands of Muslims served in the allied forces against the Nazis in World War 2. Others sided with the Nazis. This is also true of nominal Christians.

33 Lidane  Jul 29, 2014 1:11:56pm

re: #16 Dr Lizardo

What do they expect him do? Launch an all-out nuclear attack on Russia?

Ronald Reagan would have nuked Moscow by now. Obama is weak!

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34 Teukka  Jul 29, 2014 1:12:31pm

re: #29 Dr Lizardo

That could work, though on a lesser scale.
[…]
Russia is far too dependent on its natural resources. Much has been made of Russia and China doing a natural gas deal; that’s nice. The infrastructure for it doesn’t exist yet, and it will take a while to build. And I’m pretty sure the Chinese might be willing to lend money to Russia, but at conditions that would make your average loan shark look like the Pope.

Well, scale is not of as much of importance as the noisiness you do it with. I mean, if buyers for Russian raw materials begin nudging Russian firms that they are getting increasing requests not to use Russian materials, or if buyers of Russian goods give Russian manufacturers a heads up that they might stop buying goods because demand is dropping, that is an unique facet of pressure on the Kremlin, on top of the sanctions which gotta sting quite a bit now.

As to Chinese loaning, yeah. It would be ironic if this all ends with Putin backing off because the Chinese got his balls in a vice economically XD

35 Shiplord Kirel  Jul 29, 2014 1:12:54pm

With your indulgence I’ll repost my GG pic from the last thread:

Narcissus

36 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jul 29, 2014 1:15:41pm

re: #19 Teukka

What about people also taking action? Boycotting goods made in Russia or from Russian raw materials?

Europe is heavily dependent on Russian natural gas supplies. That is the weak link in the chain.

37 Charles Johnson  Jul 29, 2014 1:16:55pm
38 Teukka  Jul 29, 2014 1:18:12pm

re: #36 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Europe is heavily dependent on Russian natural gas supplies. That is the weak link in the chain.

True. But imagine the pressure of it being one of few exports left, and knowing Europe is already taking measures to wean themselves of Russian NG.

39 ericblair  Jul 29, 2014 1:18:34pm

re: #29 Dr Lizardo

Russia is far too dependent on its natural resources. Much has been made of Russia and China doing a natural gas deal; that’s nice. The infrastructure for it doesn’t exist yet, and it will take a while to build. And I’m pretty sure the Chinese might be willing to lend money to Russia, but at conditions that would make your average loan shark look like the Pope.

The Chinese government ain’t stupid, and my understanding is that Putin got taken to the cleaners on the gas deal since he needed the deal right then a lot worse than the Chinese did. If the Chinese turn out to be the only real game in town for Russian trade, expect Putin to have a real sore ass after every Beijing trip until someone encourages him to leave office.

40 Flying Squirrel Girl  Jul 29, 2014 1:19:39pm

re: #35 Shiplord Kirel

Reminds me of airbrush paintings on truck tail gates (hey, I live in Texas…it is still a thing). Often, the tail gate in question has an airbrush picture of the truck itself.

41 Feline Fearless Leader  Jul 29, 2014 1:23:43pm

re: #22 blueraven

What they want is for Obama to provide lethal aide to Ukraine. But once we start providing military weapons it is a proxy war. Who knows where that could lead?

Missiles in Cuba?
// (sorta)

42 Kragar  Jul 29, 2014 1:24:54pm

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) said Tuesday that if the House passes a $659 million border bill with policy changes, he could use it as a vehicle for comprehensive immigration reform.

Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) is trying to round up enough votes for a pared-down border bill that spends far below the president’s request for $3.7 billion and includes policy changes to speed the deportation of illegal minors from Central America.

Reid said the policy changes would give him an opportunity to attach the comprehensive immigration reform bill that the Senate passed last year with the support of 14 Republicans.

43 Lidane  Jul 29, 2014 1:25:02pm

re: #40 Flying Squirrel Girl

Reminds me of airbrush paintings on truck tail gates (hey, I live in Texas…it is still a thing). Often, the tail gate in question has an airbrush picture of the truck itself.

I will never forget the brother of a friend of mine. Back when I was living on the border he was working at a custom detail shop and his truck was detailed within an inch of its life, complete with a tailgate that had some custom art on it. One day, his tailgate got stolen.

Fast forward a week and he gets a call from a buddy who was in one of the Mexican border towns and saw his tailgate for sale at a sidewalk merchant. I had never seen anyone grab his keys and get into his car so fast.

44 Feline Fearless Leader  Jul 29, 2014 1:25:33pm

re: #29 Dr Lizardo

That could work, though on a lesser scale.

The US is pretty much a hegemon in the international financial system. If the doors are closed to business in the US financial system, the Europeans will follow suit, as they’re not going to risk their own financial system in a head-to-head clash with the US colossus.

Even the EU is now set to impose sector-wide sanctions against the Russian economy. That’s going to hurt the Russian government - the fact is, Russia needs the West far more than the West needs Russia, aside from her natural resources.

Russia is far too dependent on its natural resources. Much has been made of Russia and China doing a natural gas deal; that’s nice. The infrastructure for it doesn’t exist yet, and it will take a while to build. And I’m pretty sure the Chinese might be willing to lend money to Russia, but at conditions that would make your average loan shark look like the Pope.

But China and Russia have always been the best of friendly neighbors!
/(dripping)

45 Flying Squirrel Girl  Jul 29, 2014 1:27:45pm

re: #43 Lidane

That is an AWESOME story. I have been known to drive like a bat-outta-hell in an attempt to get closer to good tail gate art.

I have also long wanted to do a coffee table book of tail gate airbrush art.

46 Lidane  Jul 29, 2014 1:29:02pm

re: #45 Flying Squirrel Girl

That is an AWESOME story. I have been known to drive like a bat-outta-hell in an attempt to get closer to good tail gate art.

I have also long wanted to do a coffee table book of tail gate airbrush art.

Heh. It’s one thing to drive like a bat out of hell to get closer to good tailgate art. It’s another to drive like a bat out of hell to cross the border into Mexico and get your tailgate art back.

It happened 20 years ago and I still laugh about it.

47 ausador  Jul 29, 2014 1:30:11pm

re: #44 Feline Fearless Leader

But China and Russia have always been the best of friendly neighbors!
/(dripping)

That whole so called “Sino-Soviet border conflict” back in 69 was really just an extremely realistic joint military training exercise.

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48 Charles Johnson  Jul 29, 2014 1:30:22pm
49 Charles Johnson  Jul 29, 2014 1:30:44pm
50 ausador  Jul 29, 2014 1:32:36pm

re: #48 Charles Johnson

re: #49 Charles Johnson

Twitter: Without the drama how could we pull in the young male users?

51 lawhawk  Jul 29, 2014 1:33:12pm

Going with the fake but accurate?

52 ausador  Jul 29, 2014 1:35:18pm

re: #51 lawhawk

Going with the fake but accurate?

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It certainly seems that way. :(

53 Aunty Entity Dragon  Jul 29, 2014 1:38:38pm

re: #51 lawhawk

Going with the fake but accurate?

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Considering that Netanyahu has been insulting the POTUS and the SecState in public, as addition to interferring in the last election…I fail to see where the outrage would come from if Obama did, indeed, use harsh language with a man who takes billions in US tax dollars and then tells us to collectively shut the fuck up.

54 CuriousLurker  Jul 29, 2014 1:38:49pm

re: #43 Lidane

re: #45 Flying Squirrel Girl

That is an AWESOME story. I have been known to drive like a bat-outta-hell in an attempt to get closer to good tail gate art.

I have also long wanted to do a coffee table book of tail gate airbrush art.

Ha! For some reason you guys talking about that made me think of those black velvet paintings they sell in Mexico. When I goggled them I found this unexpected but interesting bit of trivia:

Velvet painting: Early history

Black velvet paintings originate in ancient Kashmir, the homeland of the fabric. These original paintings were generally religious and portrayed the icons of the Caucasus region which were painted by Russian Orthodox priests. Marco Polo and others introduced black velvet paintings to Western Europe, and some of these early works still hang in the Vatican Museums.

Who knew? Never in a million years would I have guessed such a historical connection. I wonder how they migrated to Mexico… Maybe the Spaniards?

55 lawhawk  Jul 29, 2014 1:39:39pm

re: #49 Charles Johnson

Never expected him to respond to the complaints about harassment and lack of customer service.

He figures that as long as the number of users increase, he will accept the losses that are piling up quick.

It’s the opposite model to the Zappos customer service mantra.

56 Testy Toad T  Jul 29, 2014 1:40:28pm

re: #53 Aunty Entity Dragon

Considering that Netanyahu has been insulting the POTUS and the SecState in public, as addition to interferring in the last election…I fail to see where the outrage would come from if Obama did, indeed, use harsh language with a man who takes billions in US tax dollars and then tells us to collectively shut the fuck up.

Because it’s a horror and a mockery and an insult to the office and beneath the dignity of the office and a national outrage for the President to show or engage in display of any deference or humility to any foreign leader, at any time, ever… except that one.

57 Gus  Jul 29, 2014 1:40:42pm

re: #51 lawhawk

Going with the fake but accurate?

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Just wait until Breitbart gets one of their translators on this conversation. //

58 CuriousLurker  Jul 29, 2014 1:41:45pm

re: #51 lawhawk

Going with the fake but accurate?

[Embedded content]

Doesn’t matter as long as the clicks keep coming.

59 Testy Toad T  Jul 29, 2014 1:42:07pm

re: #58 CuriousLurker

Doesn’t matter as long as the clicks keep coming.

Are you talking about Breitbart, or about Twitter?

60 Decatur Deb  Jul 29, 2014 1:42:37pm

re: #19 Teukka

What about people also taking action? Boycotting goods made in Russia or from Russian raw materials?

Our family only uses Freedom Dressing on our salads.

61 Flying Squirrel Girl  Jul 29, 2014 1:42:46pm

re: #54 CuriousLurker

I wonder where dogs playing poker originated?

62 Lidane  Jul 29, 2014 1:42:51pm

re: #54 CuriousLurker

Another bit of trivia: the Mexican style of al pastor meat comes from the Lebanese immigrants that settled there after the fall of the Ottoman Empire. It’s basically an offshoot of shawarma.

63 danarchy  Jul 29, 2014 1:42:53pm

re: #19 Teukka

What about people also taking action? Boycotting goods made in Russia or from Russian raw materials?

Russias top 5 exports:

Crude Petroleum (39%), Refined Petroleum (15%), Petroleum Gas (9.1%), Coal Briquettes (3.0%), and Semi-Finished Iron (1.5%)

Not exactly things that lend themselves to individual boycotts.

64 Aunty Entity Dragon  Jul 29, 2014 1:44:08pm

re: #63 danarchy

Russias top 5 exports:

Crude Petroleum (39%), Refined Petroleum (15%), Petroleum Gas (9.1%), Coal Briquettes (3.0%), and Semi-Finished Iron (1.5%)

Not exactly things that lend themselves to individual boycotts.

You forgot Faberge eggs.
/

65 CuriousLurker  Jul 29, 2014 1:44:46pm

re: #59 Testy Toad T

Are you talking about Breitbart, or about Twitter?

Actually, I was talking about the Jerusalem Post as lawhawk’s tweet was from their diplomatic correspondent. It applies to the others as well though.

66 Kragar  Jul 29, 2014 1:44:52pm

re: #63 danarchy

Russias top 5 exports:

Crude Petroleum (39%), Refined Petroleum (15%), Petroleum Gas (9.1%), Coal Briquettes (3.0%), and Semi-Finished Iron (1.5%)

Not exactly things that lend themselves to individual boycotts.

DOWN WITH VODKA! Patriots only drink fermented potato juice!

67 Decatur Deb  Jul 29, 2014 1:45:08pm

re: #64 Aunty Entity Dragon

You forgot Faberge eggs.
/

Do they taste good with Freedom Dressing?

68 Mattand  Jul 29, 2014 1:45:45pm

re: #3 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

Fuck it, I’m ending all my conversations via helicopter now.

“Yeah, I’ll have a spicy chicken meal with a Diet Coke.”

*climbs aboard helicopter and flies off*

69 Lidane  Jul 29, 2014 1:45:53pm

ZOMG RINO!

Club For Growth Turns On GOPer Who Earned 100 Percent Rating In 2010

Please proceed.

70 Mattand  Jul 29, 2014 1:46:42pm

re: #66 Kragar

DOWN WITH VODKA! Patriots only drink fermented potato juice!

In Russia, fermented potato juice dri…..

I can’t do it. I just can’t.

71 CuriousLurker  Jul 29, 2014 1:47:05pm

re: #61 Flying Squirrel Girl

I wonder where dogs playing poker originated?

Wikipedia knows!

72 Aunty Entity Dragon  Jul 29, 2014 1:47:59pm

re: #67 Decatur Deb

Do they taste good with Freedom Dressing?

hark.com

73 Romantic Heretic  Jul 29, 2014 1:48:32pm

re: #8 Kragar

So apparently this is a thing now.

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WTF is fucking wrong with some people?

They’re stoned out of their minds on fear, anger and hate. Their every action is designed to get their next hit.

74 Decatur Deb  Jul 29, 2014 1:49:30pm

re: #73 Romantic Heretic

They’re stoned out of their minds on fear, anger and hate. Their every action is designed to get their next hit.

And those are just the nice Republicans.

75 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 29, 2014 1:50:27pm

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76 Romantic Heretic  Jul 29, 2014 1:50:59pm

re: #16 Dr Lizardo

What do they expect him do? Launch an all-out nuclear attack on Russia?

Yes! If he was a True American™ instead of a socialist Muslim Kenyan usurper he’d understand that! You cannot compromise with eeeeevuuuuulhl!

77 CuriousLurker  Jul 29, 2014 1:51:12pm

re: #73 Romantic Heretic

They’re stoned out of their minds on fear, anger and hate. Their every action is designed to get their next hit.

That would explain why the crap keeps getting weirder & weirder—they build up a resistance and have to reach out a little further each time.

78 Aunty Entity Dragon  Jul 29, 2014 1:51:40pm

re: #73 Romantic Heretic

They’re stoned out of their minds on fear, anger and hate. Their every action is designed to get their next hit.

This is how you end up with white men carrying assault rifles threatening children on busses.

We are one random incident away from pogroms.

79 Romantic Heretic  Jul 29, 2014 1:53:15pm

re: #24 lawhawk

there are accounts of patients trying to escape or were taken by family members even though they were infectious. They have the potential of spreading the disease to others.

Evolution in action.

Mother Nature is a child abuser.

80 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 29, 2014 1:53:25pm

re: #17 Lidane

HIS NEXT FLIGHT SHOULD BE A ONE-WAY TO GITMO! ELEVENTY!

/Tea Party

I actually saw that Tweeted on #tcot today.

81 Aunty Entity Dragon  Jul 29, 2014 1:53:55pm

re: #79 Romantic Heretic

Evolution in action.

Mother Nature is a child abuser seriel killer.

82 Decatur Deb  Jul 29, 2014 1:54:08pm

re: #78 Aunty Entity Dragon

This is how you end up with white men carrying assault rifles threatening children on busses.

We are one random incident away from pogroms.

No, but we are a couple uncomfortable steps down that road.

83 Kragar  Jul 29, 2014 1:55:14pm

re: #82 Decatur Deb

No, but we are a couple uncomfortable steps down that road.

We’re not there yet, but you can see the signs telling how many miles to go.

84 Bulworth  Jul 29, 2014 1:55:28pm

re:
#80

I’m sure Ron Fourner or someone from Politico will say that Obama is talking up the “They want to send me to Gitmo” thing to get donations…..

//

85 Romantic Heretic  Jul 29, 2014 1:55:54pm

re: #35 Shiplord Kirel

With your indulgence I’ll repost my GG pic from the last thread:

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Narcissus

Too bad that unlike the original Narcissus he isn’t staring at his own reflection to bother anyone else.

86 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 29, 2014 1:55:59pm

WTF

87 Aunty Entity Dragon  Jul 29, 2014 1:56:18pm

re: #77 CuriousLurker

That would explain why the crap keeps getting weirder & weirder—they build up a resistance and have to reach out a little further each time.

Interesting how right wing armed mobs simply do not get the same reaction from society as left wing drum circles.

How much deeper into armed incitement will they have to go before somebody in authority really says “What the fuck??!”

88 Romantic Heretic  Jul 29, 2014 1:59:12pm

re: #39 ericblair

The Chinese government ain’t stupid, and my understanding is that Putin got taken to the cleaners on the gas deal since he needed the deal right then a lot worse than the Chinese did. If the Chinese turn out to be the only real game in town for Russian trade, expect Putin to have a real sore ass after every Beijing trip until someone encourages him to leave office.

The only person that can make Putin leave office is The Grim Reaper.

So we’ll likely be stuck with Czar Vladimir I for a while yet.

89 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 29, 2014 1:59:57pm
90 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 29, 2014 2:00:12pm
91 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 29, 2014 2:00:29pm
92 Aunty Entity Dragon  Jul 29, 2014 2:00:38pm

re: #82 Decatur Deb

No, but we are a couple uncomfortable steps down that road.

I think we got pretty damned close when guys with guns turned around a bus full of kids.

I never imagined anything like that in this country in the 21st century. That should be an object lesson in how fragile rule of law really is when armed mobs can actually trump elected officials carrying out their sworn duty.

Also, too…

Check out the accusations that these kids are disease carriers, enemy agents, destabalizing our culture, enemies of democracy etc etc etc.

Sound familiar? It should. It sounded better in the original German.

93 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 29, 2014 2:00:56pm
94 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 29, 2014 2:01:21pm
95 Romantic Heretic  Jul 29, 2014 2:02:17pm

re: #77 CuriousLurker

That would explain why the crap keeps getting weirder & weirder—they build up a resistance and have to reach out a little further each time.

I know from my own time as an anger addict that this is true.

96 alpuz  Jul 29, 2014 2:03:49pm

re: #92 Aunty Entity Dragon

Check out the accusations that these kids are disease carriers, enemy agents, destabizing our culture, enemies of democracy etc etc etc.

Sound familiar? It should. It sounded better in the original German.

Oh, you should have seen how public school teachers were/are demonized here in Wisconsin. Ya know what? I think it worked. *shakes head*

97 Decatur Deb  Jul 29, 2014 2:05:53pm

re: #92 Aunty Entity Dragon

I think we got pretty damned close when guys with guns turned around a bus full of kids.

I never imagined anything like that in this country in the 21st century. That shoud be an object lesson in how fragile rule of law really is when armed mobs can actually trump elected officials carryig out their sworn duty.

Also, too…

Check out the accusations that these kids are disease carriers, enemy agents, destabizing our culture, enemies of democracy etc etc etc.

Sound familiar? It should. It sounded better in the original German.

Yeah, it’s a disgrace, but we’re not even up to KKK atrocities yet and that is native to us. The border authorities are either complicit or (more likely) don’t have their shit together.

It would be a very good thing if a bunch of the Bundy heroes got their perpwalks.

98 Romantic Heretic  Jul 29, 2014 2:06:23pm

re: #87 Aunty Entity Dragon

Interesting how right wing armed mobs simply do not get the same reaction from society as left wing drum circles.

How much deeper into armed incitement will they have to go before somebody in authority really says “What the fuck??!”

The drum circles are believed to be an enemy of capitalism, the central religion of America. So they are treated as an existential threat as all heretics are.

Armed mobs are regarded as upholding America’s tradition of righteous opposition to abused authority. So they get a pass.

99 wrenchwench  Jul 29, 2014 2:07:41pm
100 CuriousLurker  Jul 29, 2014 2:09:14pm

re: #87 Aunty Entity Dragon

Interesting how right wing armed mobs simply do not get the same reaction from society as left wing drum circles.

How much deeper into armed incitement will they have to go before somebody in authority really says “What the fuck??!”

Sadly, I’m guessing that won’t happen until they kill someone who inspires sympathy (i.e. a woman, child, or elderly person).

Even then… yesterday I went over to Free Republic to read their absurd “Action Report” on their trip to the border. This is the first comment:

I have to imagine it must be frustrating as hell for the Border Patrol to round all these illegals up just to see them shipped off and set loose.

The problem lies in Government bureaucracy and policy from on high.

Not An Excerpt

1 posted on 7/28/2014, 12:59:56 PM by humblegunner

freerepublic.com

WTF is the border patrol supposed to do with them, line them up and shoot them instead of sending them back?

101 Aunty Entity Dragon  Jul 29, 2014 2:10:00pm

re: #96 alpuz

Oh, you should have seen how public school teachers were/are demonized here in Wisconsin. Ya know what? I think it worked. *shakes head*

Yes, I have seen some of the stuff from National Review. What’s worse: they actually believe that public school teachers (and their unions) are literally working to destroy America.

I have no effing idea who started this particular conspiracy theory, but the flagship pubication of the “respectable” right has been spreading it.

Of course, those same teachers would have no problems at all if they just went over to a private charter school in exchange for no tenure, no retirement and no say on teaching that Jesus rode a dinosaur on Palm Sunday…

102 Archangelus  Jul 29, 2014 2:13:49pm

re: #75 Pie-onist Overlord

[Embedded image]

Hate to nitpick but have to ask where that’s from, seeing how it says “I assess if Israel”…

אומד = assess
עומד = stand
אם = if
עם = with

103 alpuz  Jul 29, 2014 2:16:03pm

re: #101 Aunty Entity Dragon

In the local news forums they(the RWNJ’s) would post names, salaries and addresses.

If I google my name, on the first page is my signature of the recall papers. My neighbors, and friends(both work for the public schools) since I was in middle school, were threatened for trying to create a bipartisan group to work out some of the differences.

I’m now a full-on cynic. Off to listen to Hootenanny by the Replacements and get updates on a baseball game. Just gonna lurk. Take care.

104 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 29, 2014 2:16:25pm

re: #102 Archangelus

Hate to nitpick but have to ask where that’s from, seeing how it says “I assess if Israel”…

אומד = assess
עומד = stand
אם = if
עם = with

105 sagehen  Jul 29, 2014 2:17:19pm

OT: TV rec

Manhattan (WGN) — a soapish drama about Los Alamos. The scientists, their families, the project, the nation’s smartest people living together in the middle of nowhere working under heavy pressure, heavy security, zero privacy, the fate of world is at stake…

They can’t go into town. They don’t have telephones. They can’t even write letters to their parents without military censors blocking most of what they wanted to say. A physicist’s unhappy wife is horrified to discover she’s here incommunicado until the end of the war.

All the possible pressure, and zero information. A character in the pilot finds out he’s been transferred to a place he never heard of in Tennessee, he’s not sure if it’s a punishment or promotion or what he’ll be doing (the viewer with declassified hindsight knows he’s going to be enriching uranium at another lab that will someday be famous).

They’ll be rerunning a pilot a few more times this week before the 2nd ep on Sunday. Exec producer Thomas Schlamme (West Wing). Excellent show, highly recommend.

106 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 29, 2014 2:17:50pm

107 Aunty Entity Dragon  Jul 29, 2014 2:18:21pm

re: #97 Decatur Deb

Yeah, it’s a disgrace, but we’re not even up to KKK atrocities yet and that is native to us. The border authorities are either complicit or (more likely) don’t have their shit together.

It would be a very good thing if a bunch of the Bundy heroes got their perpwalks.

I disagree. When we failed to push back on militias and gunmen trumping public policy, it became legitimized. The next logical step is for someone to use those guns. We have seen the wackos on the right step right up to that line several times in the past few months (especially at the Bundy Ranch) and all it takes is one “black swan” event for things to go really out of hand.

The hatred being fanned into flames out on the right is simply beyond anything I can remember in my lifetime since 1967.

This is like something out of history books in mining towns when the locals would hang all the Chinese workers or run all the “hunkies” out of town (slang for Slavic immigrants).

I have never experienced anything like this. I never wanted to.

The use of weapons has been appropriated by the reactionary right. Weapons are carried. They are brandished. Their use is threatened. The targets are children with brown skin…and we all know it.

If we do not get a handle on right wing violence mongering, somebody is going to actually carry through on those threats.

108 wrenchwench  Jul 29, 2014 2:22:11pm

re: #97 Decatur Deb

Yeah, it’s a disgrace, but we’re not even up to KKK atrocities yet and that is native to us. The border authorities are either complicit or (more likely) don’t have their shit together.

It would be a very good thing if a bunch of the Bundy heroes got their perpwalks.

I hadn’t thought that maybe the authorities involved liked the optics of the bus turning around in Murrieta. Bastards (tentativley).

109 Teukka  Jul 29, 2014 2:22:12pm

re: #92 Aunty Entity Dragon

I think we got pretty damned close when guys with guns turned around a bus full of kids.

I never imagined anything like that in this country in the 21st century. That should be an object lesson in how fragile rule of law really is when armed mobs can actually trump elected officials carrying out their sworn duty.

Also, too…

Check out the accusations that these kids are disease carriers, enemy agents, destabalizing our culture, enemies of democracy etc etc etc.

Sound familiar? It should. It sounded better in the original German.

That’s what has me immensely concerned. I come from a country which paid dearly for siding with the Nazis in WWII (Finland), lost territory and paid damages you probably wouldn’t believe. It wasn’t longer ago than October last year that a guy got killed by a surprise package the Nazis left behind when we ran them out of the country.

For that reason, as well as the divisive civil war we had following independence in 1917, many of my generation are taught from an early age to recognize fascism in whatever disguise it may wear. And I’m in the not so enviable position of seeing the hallmarks of Fascism not only in the US christian right but also in Russia.

It won’t end well, it never has. Regardless if the Christian right in the US forms an alliance with the Russians or begin fighting a war over turf. Not in a nuclear age, and even if we didn’t have nukes it would mean a lot of suffering and bloodshed.

And it bugs me to no end that there doesn’t seem to be a way to generate a wake-up call to people so they realize what is happening right in front of them. Both here in Europe, in the US and in Russia.

110 wrenchwench  Jul 29, 2014 2:23:33pm

re: #107 Aunty Entity Dragon

The hatred being fanned into flames out on the right is simply beyond anything I can remember in my lifetime since 1967.

Except perhaps this?

111 Aunty Entity Dragon  Jul 29, 2014 2:26:34pm

re: #109 Teukka

That’s what has me immensely concerned. I come from a country which paid dearly for siding with the Nazis in WWII (Finland), lost territory and paid damages you probably wouldn’t believe. It wasn’t longer ago than October last year that a guy got killed by a surprise package the Nazis left behind when we ran them out of the country.

For that reason, as well as the divisive civil war we had following independence in 1917, many of my generation are taught from an early age to recognize fascism in whatever disguise it may wear. And I’m in the not so enviable position of seeing the hallmarks of Fascism not only in the US christian right but also in Russia.

It won’t end well, it never has. Regardless if the Christian right in the US forms an alliance with the Russians or begin fighting a war over turf. Not in a nuclear age, and even if we didn’t have nukes it would mean a lot of suffering and bloodshed.

And it bugs me to no end that there doesn’t seem to be a way to generate a wake-up call to people so they realize what is happening right in front of them. Both here in Europe, in the US and in Russia.

This.

I actually read about the winter war in Finland against Stalin. God bless all of your countrymen and women who survived that.

112 Decatur Deb  Jul 29, 2014 2:27:35pm

re: #107 Aunty Entity Dragon

I disagree. When we failed to push back on militias and gunmen trumping public policy, it became legitimized. The next logical step is for someone to use those guns. We have seen the wackos on the right step right up to that line several times in the past few months (especially at the Bundy Ranch) and all it takes is one “black swan” event for things to go really out of hand.

The hatred being fanned into flames out on the right is simply beyond anything I can remember in my lifetime since 1967.

This is like something out of history books in mining towns when the locals would hang all the Chinese workers or run all the “hunkies” out of town (slang for Slavic immigrants).

I have never experienced anything like this. I never wanted to.

The use of weapons has been appropriated by the reactionary right. Weapons are carried. They are brandished. Theur use is threatened. The targets are children with brown skin…and we all know it.

If we do not get a handle on right wing violence mongering, somebody is going to actually carry through on those threats.

I’m trusting a well-prepared pushback is in progress. The LE reaction has to be so well-calibrated that it doesn’t really grant them ‘legitimacy’. Bundy and the border goatropes were contained without escalation. Every decisionmaker is working with the image of 76 burning citizens from Waco in the back of his mind.

Love it when you talk Pittsburghese.

113 Aunty Entity Dragon  Jul 29, 2014 2:33:10pm

re: #110 wrenchwench

Except perhaps this?

I live just a few blocks from where that happened. I actually remember the news reports, although I was in California at the time.

However, the neo Nazis were regarded as fringe wackos and culturally, they and the Klan were on the defensive and were losing ground.

Hate groups like them are resurgent, empowered and supported in practice by a national network and hundreds of radio and internet personalities.

Hate has gone mainstream again, which was not the case in the Greensboro massacre. I would add, however, that the collusion of the Greensboro PD with the KKK, and the failure to actually bring the killers to justice should give pause to anybody who thinks that law enforcement is immune.

Try reading the insanely racist stuff at the NYPD bulletin board Thee Rant.

114 Aunty Entity Dragon  Jul 29, 2014 2:34:10pm

re: #112 Decatur Deb

I’m trusting a well-prepared pushback is in progress. The LE reaction has to be so well-calibrated that it doesn’t really grant them ‘legitimacy’. Bundy and the border goatropes were contained without escalation. Every decisionmaker is working with the image of 76 burning citizens from Waco in the back of his mind.

Love it when you talk Pittsburghese.

Well, I did live for in year in Harrisburg…

115 Teukka  Jul 29, 2014 2:35:58pm

re: #111 Aunty Entity Dragon

This.

I actually read about the winter war in Finland against Stalin. God bless all of your countrymen and women who survived that.

I dread the day I get the message from the armed forces that I’m called to active duty. Because if Russia doesn’t back down, that is what most likely will happen next.
Finland is probably still able to repel and resist any Russian attempts at invasion until reinforcements arrive, but I’d rather not teach the Russians a third time to kindly fuck off. Because they’re the one who’ll incur heavy losses.

116 Decatur Deb  Jul 29, 2014 2:36:27pm

re: #114 Aunty Entity Dragon

Well, I did live for in year in Harrisburg…

The first time I heard Stokely Carmichael rant about “Honkies” in the 60s, I couldn’t figure why he had singled out Hungarians.

117 Aunty Entity Dragon  Jul 29, 2014 2:39:17pm

re: #116 Decatur Deb

The first time I heard Stokely Carmichael rant about “Honkies” in the 60s, I couldn’t figure why he had singled out Hungarians.

I remember reading about “That isn’t white work…it’s hunky work”…meaning shoveling coal in the boiler room. Shades of “No Irish need apply”.

118 Decatur Deb  Jul 29, 2014 2:45:08pm

re: #117 Aunty Entity Dragon

I remember reading about “That isn’t white work…it’s hunky work”…meaning shoveling coal in the boiler room. Shades of “No Irish need apply”.

In 1940s Pittsburgh, our ethnic neighborhoods were sometimes only a few blocks deep, and the borders were enforced. We had been a competing map of Europe for a hundred years, but the postwar influx of refugees kicked it up a notch. For some totally obscure reason, the Lithuanians were special antagonists to our Irish enclave.


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