CIA Admits Improper Snooping on Network Used by Senate Intelligence Committee

CIA abuses the separation of powers
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The New York Times has details on a statement made today by the CIA, summarizing the Inspector General’s report on the CIA’s snooping on a computer network used by the Sentate Intelligence Committee.

WASHINGTON — An internal investigation by the Central Intelligence Agency has found that its officers improperly penetrated a computer network used by the Senate Intelligence Committee to prepare its damning report on the C.I.A.’s detention and interrogation program.

The report by the agency’s inspector general found that C.I.A. officers created a fake online identity to gain access on more than one occasion to computers used by members of the committee staff, and tried to cover their movements as they rooted around the system, according to an official with knowledge of the investigation’s findings.

A statement issued Thursday morning by a C.I.A. spokesman said that John O. Brennan, the agency’s director, had apologized to the two senior members of the intelligence committee and would set up an internal accountability board to review the issue. The statement said that the board, which will be led by former Senator Evan Bayh, an Indiana Democrat, could recommend “potential disciplinary measures” and “steps to address systemic issues.”

The Department of Justice has declined to investigate this issue, but it really shouldn’t stop here. It’s an outrageous misuse of the CIA’s powers, and CIA head John Brennan basically lied outright when asked a direct question about the allegations made by Sen. Dianne Feinstein. David Corn asks the next question: Should Obama Fire His CIA Chief for Misleading the Public About the Senate Spying Scandal?

UPDATE at 7/31/14 2:16:00 pm by Charles Johnson

There’s one detail that is being generally ignored in most of the reports so far: the CIA actually supplied the computers and operated the network the Senate Intelligence Committee was using, so suggesting this involved “hacking” is completely off-base.

But that doesn’t change the fact that it was still an egregious violation of the Senate’s privacy.

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354 comments

1 Kragar  Jul 31, 2014 2:09:26pm

Should Obama Fire His CIA Chief for Misleading the Public About the Senate Spying Scandal?

Yes

2 EPR-radar  Jul 31, 2014 2:12:29pm

re: #1 Kragar

Should Obama Fire His CIA Chief for Misleading the Public About the Senate Spying Scandal?

Yes

Ditto. There has to be accountability at or near the top for crap like this.

3 Iwouldprefernotto  Jul 31, 2014 2:12:39pm

re: #1 Kragar

Should Obama Fire His CIA Chief for Misleading the Public About the Senate Spying Scandal?

Yes

Agree

4 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Jul 31, 2014 2:13:16pm

That they were doing it because the Senate was exercising oversight on the CIA makes it extremely reprehensible.

5 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jul 31, 2014 2:14:15pm

If something can be abused, it probably will be.

6 Bubblehead II  Jul 31, 2014 2:14:34pm

Boot his butt out the door along with anybody else who had knowledge/participated in this.

7 ObserverArt  Jul 31, 2014 2:15:47pm

Who’s running the CIA…Putin???

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8 Charles Johnson  Jul 31, 2014 2:16:13pm

There’s one detail that is being generally ignored in most of the reports so far: the CIA actually supplied the computers and operated the network the Senate Intelligence Committee was using, so suggesting this involved “hacking” is completely off-base.

But that doesn’t change the fact that it was still an egregious violation of the Senate’s privacy.

9 ObserverArt  Jul 31, 2014 2:17:10pm

re: #8 Charles Johnson

There’s one detail that is being generally ignored in most of the reports so far: the CIA actually supplied the computers and operated the network the Senate Intelligence Committee was using, so suggesting this involved “hacking” is completely off-base.

But that doesn’t change the fact that it was still an egregious violation of the Senate’s privacy.

Preloaded spyware, eh?

10 Joanne  Jul 31, 2014 2:18:05pm

re: #1 Kragar

Should Obama Fire His CIA Chief for Misleading the Public About the Senate Spying Scandal?

Yes

Agreed. Completely.

That said, if I was in the CIA, I’d want to keep tabs in crazy Bachman. That she’s on that committee should scare everyone everywhere…to the Nth degree.

11 ausador  Jul 31, 2014 2:18:50pm

Huh?…

Israel Supporters Caused the War in Gaza

Karma: -4
rhit

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Really poor choice of headline for the article being crossposted here at LGF. He is blaming this whole thing on the hostage trade Israel made to get Gilad Shalit back, I just don’t see it.

12 Kragar  Jul 31, 2014 2:23:52pm
13 Charles Johnson  Jul 31, 2014 2:26:06pm

For example: CIA Admits to Spying on Senate | TheHill

CIA officials improperly hacked the Senate Intelligence Committee’s computers as staffers compiled a report on “enhanced interrogation” techniques, the spy agency’s inspector general has concluded.

That’s just bad reporting right there.

14 Charles Johnson  Jul 31, 2014 2:27:14pm

re: #11 ausador

Wut?

15 dog philosopher  Jul 31, 2014 2:27:38pm

my birthday present from Unfrozen Siberian Girlfriend:

an emperor claudius era coin having the denomination of one as

16 Charles Johnson  Jul 31, 2014 2:28:41pm

Remember folks - if an LGF Page gets 10 or more down-dings, it vanishes from the Recent list.

17 Kragar  Jul 31, 2014 2:29:22pm

Been a while since I had GW denier

18 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jul 31, 2014 2:30:04pm

re: #15 dog philosopher

my birthday present from Unfrozen Siberian Girlfriend:

an emperor claudius era coin having the denomination of one as

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Let the Punic War begin!

19 Eventual Carrion  Jul 31, 2014 2:30:15pm

re: #15 dog philosopher

my birthday present from Unfrozen Siberian Girlfriend:

an emperor claudius era coin having the denomination of one as

[Embedded image]

Simon and Garfunkel?

20 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jul 31, 2014 2:34:12pm

re: #15 dog philosopher

my birthday present from Unfrozen Siberian Girlfriend:

an emperor claudius era coin having the denomination of one as

[Embedded image]

Was dat as a part of some ancient Roman booty?

21 dog philosopher  Jul 31, 2014 2:34:19pm

re: #19 Eventual Carrion

Simon and Garfunkel?

“senatus consultatum” - as authorized by the senate

22 dog philosopher  Jul 31, 2014 2:35:03pm

re: #20 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

Was dat as a part of some ancient Roman booty?

all i know is USG is booteefull

23 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jul 31, 2014 2:39:33pm

re: #21 dog philosopher

“senatus consultatum” - as authorized by the senate

ignoribus prasidentam!!! orderus executivam!!!

24 ausador  Jul 31, 2014 2:40:38pm

re: #1 Kragar

Should Obama Fire His CIA Chief for Misleading the Public About the Senate Spying Scandal?

Yes

Well…one question is whether or not he knew about this violation of the Senate committee’s secure computers when he made the statement denying it.

If so then he absolutely must be removed from office.

If he was unaware of the violation then it depends on why he did not.

Without any publicly available details on what level of the agency this was approved at, or if it was approved at all, I can’t call for his termination yet. If it was something that he should have been aware of but did not due to lax oversight of his people then sure, can him. If it was a case of a couple of people playing cowboy on their own initiative then I don’t believe it should necessitate the beheading of the agency.

25 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jul 31, 2014 2:40:59pm

re: #23 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

ignoribus prasidentam!!! orderus executivam!!!

avada kedavra

26 Teukka  Jul 31, 2014 2:41:55pm

re: #25 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

avada kedavra

Let’s not forget the spell to cause rain.
“Picnic”.

*ducks*

27 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jul 31, 2014 2:42:09pm

re: #25 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

avada kedavra

impeachabus impostrum!!!

28 dog philosopher  Jul 31, 2014 2:43:23pm

a full 41 percent of people in the United States believe that Jesus Christ will either definitely or probably return to Earth before 2050. That number climbs to almost six in 10 when discussing Evangelicals, and more than half of the people living in the South

29 Bubblehead II  Jul 31, 2014 2:45:47pm

re: #26 Teukka

Let’s not forget the spell to cause rain.
“Picnic” Wash the car.

*ducks*

Ducks even lower.

30 Decatur Deb  Jul 31, 2014 2:46:37pm

“CIA abuses the separation of powers”

The CIA has long considered itself the fourth branch of government.

31 dog philosopher  Jul 31, 2014 2:47:26pm

re: #16 Charles Johnson

Remember folks - if an LGF Page gets 10 or more down-dings, it vanishes from the Recent list.

what happens if i eat 10 or more ding-dongs?

32 Decatur Deb  Jul 31, 2014 2:47:52pm

re: #28 dog philosopher

a full 41 percent of people in the United States believe that Jesus Christ will either definitely or probably return to Earth before 2050. That number climbs to almost six in 10 when discussing Evangelicals, and more than half of the people living in the South

(Goes looking about Baja Alabama for good used car deals.)

33 klys  Jul 31, 2014 2:47:54pm

re: #31 dog philosopher

what happens if i eat 10 or more ding-dongs?

your feet vanish?

34 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 31, 2014 2:47:55pm
35 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jul 31, 2014 2:49:19pm

re: #28 dog philosopher

Would be interesting to compare with the percentage of religious Jews - how many of them await Mashiach in the near future?

36 Decatur Deb  Jul 31, 2014 2:50:42pm

re: #35 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

Would be interesting to compare with the percentage of religious Jews - how many of them await Mashiach in the near future?

Know any with nice cars?

37 Kragar  Jul 31, 2014 2:51:07pm

Was the cow born with these markings or are the spots the handiwork of a skilled Photoshop artist?

Obviously, this cow’s spots were put there by a designer. But our question for evolutionists is this: If you agree that the cow’s spots are designed, why won’t you agree that the actual cow - which is so much more complex than the arrangement of its spots - was designed as well?

38 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jul 31, 2014 2:51:28pm

re: #35 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

Would be interesting to compare with the percentage of religious Jews - how many of them await Mashiach in the near future?

I would like to assume that these are people who actually read their scriptures and realize that for all the signs and portents, we can never know, it will happen when it is going to happen

39 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 31, 2014 2:52:28pm

whoops!!!

40 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 31, 2014 2:54:11pm

heh…

Jim Nolan’s TL live tweeting during the McDonnell trial is very entertaining.

41 darthstar  Jul 31, 2014 2:54:14pm

re: #39 Backwoods_Sleuth

whoops!!!

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The “My wife’s a slut” defense doesn’t look like it’s going to work for him.

42 Charles Johnson  Jul 31, 2014 2:55:51pm

re: #37 Kragar

Creationists have bad brains.

43 Lidane  Jul 31, 2014 2:56:09pm

BBC News:

New Gaza humanitarian truce ‘agreed by Israel and Hamas’

Israel and Hamas have agreed to an unconditional 72-hour humanitarian ceasefire in Gaza from 08:00 (05:00 GMT) on Friday, the US and UN say.

44 Charles Johnson  Jul 31, 2014 2:56:20pm

re: #31 dog philosopher

what happens if i eat 10 or more ding-dongs?

You won’t vanish, I can tell you that.

45 darthstar  Jul 31, 2014 2:56:37pm
46 Khal Wimpo  Jul 31, 2014 2:56:51pm

Meanwhile, the *other* Charles Johnson appears to be entering the full-on dementia praecox stage of his mental illness, and is issuing statements that despite the legions of sharp-toothed enemies that are everywhere plotting his doom, he will not kill himself. So if he shows up dead somewhere, it’s prolly the same guys as what killed Vince Foster, Breitbart and J.R. Ewing.

Also: he’s totally not lifting other people’s content whilst trying to compile evidence that his own scribblings are being snarfed & re-posted. Nope.

To our host: does this ongoing kook meltdown ever make you want to change your name? And can we vote on what we would like it to be changed to?

I sense a Kickstarter project in the offing…

47 Lidane  Jul 31, 2014 2:57:00pm

re: #31 dog philosopher

what happens if i eat 10 or more ding-dongs?

Diabeetus.

48 darthstar  Jul 31, 2014 2:57:44pm

re: #45 darthstar

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Forgot the original

49 darthstar  Jul 31, 2014 2:58:42pm

This is pathetic.

50 Kragar  Jul 31, 2014 2:59:02pm

re: #42 Charles Johnson

Creationists have bad brains.

They tried for Hans Delbruck, but ended up with Abby something instead.

51 Decatur Deb  Jul 31, 2014 2:59:42pm

re: #50 Kragar

They tried for Hans Delbruck, but ended up with Abby something instead.

Abby Kardashian?

52 Kragar  Jul 31, 2014 3:00:34pm
53 darthstar  Jul 31, 2014 3:00:36pm

re: #51 Decatur Deb

Abby Kardashian?

I think he’s talking about Normal….Abby Normal

54 darthstar  Jul 31, 2014 3:01:11pm

re: #52 Kragar

Accurate reportung[sic]…get it right.

55 Decatur Deb  Jul 31, 2014 3:02:57pm

re: #15 dog philosopher

my birthday present from Unfrozen Siberian Girlfriend:

an emperor claudius era coin having the denomination of one as

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Subtle way to call you a singular old as.

56 Targetpractice  Jul 31, 2014 3:03:30pm

re: #49 darthstar

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This is pathetic.

Great way to put pressure on Boehner. Without any Dem defections and with them all in attendance to vote “Nay,” he’s left with no wiggle room. He’s gonna either have to give into somebody’s demands or he’s gonna decide that this just isn’t gonna happen and close shop, in the hopes that when they come back in a month, the whole house of cards won’t have collapsed.

57 Randall Gross  Jul 31, 2014 3:03:45pm

My first Brennan encounter was during the primary season back in ‘08

littlegreenfootballs.com

58 Randall Gross  Jul 31, 2014 3:04:28pm

There’s also more on him in the archived pages:

google.com

59 Kragar  Jul 31, 2014 3:05:42pm
60 b_sharp  Jul 31, 2014 3:10:05pm

re: #28 dog philosopher

a full 41 percent of people in the United States believe that Jesus Christ will either definitely or probably return to Earth before 2050. That number climbs to almost six in 10 when discussing Evangelicals, and more than half of the people living in the South

My grandfather was absolutely convinced god would not let the earth get to the year 2000

61 Targetpractice  Jul 31, 2014 3:11:57pm

re: #59 Kragar

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Just the latest one. Seems like every time Boehner has tried to thread the needle, getting a major bill passed on only GOTP votes that the TPers opposed, he’s had to pull the bill. I imagine that, right now, Pelosi’s laughing her ass off at the Keystone Cops routine going on on the other side of the aisle.

62 b_sharp  Jul 31, 2014 3:12:13pm

re: #37 Kragar

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Fer fuck sake patterns on skin and hair are chaotic. Clones don’t even have identical patterns.

63 Decatur Deb  Jul 31, 2014 3:12:29pm

re: #60 b_sharp

My grandfather was absolutely convinced god would not let the earth get to the year 2000

So was IBM.

64 Randall Gross  Jul 31, 2014 3:12:56pm

meanwhile the design values, production quality, choreography and artistry of the latest Katy Perry video once again outweighs by far the efforts put into the actual music (not that the music is terrible.)

Youtube Video

65 Rightwingconspirator  Jul 31, 2014 3:14:52pm

re: #8 Charles Johnson

There’s one detail that is being generally ignored in most of the reports so far: the CIA actually supplied the computers and operated the network the Senate Intelligence Committee was using, so suggesting this involved “hacking” is completely off-base.

Say hoodwinked instead of hacked and you would be right on the money. It’s particularly chilling to see this from such a powerful agency. In a way it’s worse than a hack. It’s a stab at our legislative oversight of our intel guys.

Crap, now conspiracy goons all over will point at this and loudly declare “see I was telling you all along they did this kind of thing right there with the (fill in chemtrails, etc etc)

66 b_sharp  Jul 31, 2014 3:15:24pm

re: #63 Decatur Deb

So was IBM.

I was one of those crazy buggers updating bioses or applying fixes to the bios and apps.

67 dog philosopher  Jul 31, 2014 3:15:31pm

re: #32 Decatur Deb

(Goes looking about Baja Alabama for good used car deals.)

how much do you like pick up trucks and 45 y/o trans ams?

68 Shiplord Kirel  Jul 31, 2014 3:15:33pm

re: #37 Kragar

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Yikes! These people are not even trying anymore to make sense. They don’t believe this idiocy themselves, they just want some kind of gibberish that can serve their real purpose of blocking human progress and annoying people more intelligent than themselves. They fear and hate the latter almost viscerally, especially in the South.

To belabor the obvious, I could photoshoppe the aftermath of a train wreck, but that does not mean the pattern of the wreckage in a real accident is the result of conscious design.

69 Charles Johnson  Jul 31, 2014 3:15:45pm

It’s remarkable how many of these idiots are out there, just boiling with rage and hatred.

70 darthstar  Jul 31, 2014 3:16:47pm
71 b_sharp  Jul 31, 2014 3:17:10pm

re: #69 Charles Johnson

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It’s remarkable how many of these idiots are out there, just boiling with rage and hatred.

And distorted ideas about what constitutes rational thought.

72 Targetpractice  Jul 31, 2014 3:17:25pm

re: #70 darthstar

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Colloidal silver!

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73 darthstar  Jul 31, 2014 3:17:32pm

re: #69 Charles Johnson

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It’s remarkable how many of these idiots are out there, just boiling with rage and hatred.

Who…what? Oh…yeah.

74 Shiplord Kirel  Jul 31, 2014 3:18:07pm

We are at war with stupid people, Hoft fans, creationists, bigots, lepertarians, etc. Morons and enemies of human progress, one and all.

75 b_sharp  Jul 31, 2014 3:18:46pm

re: #74 Shiplord Kirel

We are at war with stupid people, Hoft fans, creationists, bigots, lepertarians, etc. Morons and enemies of human progress, one and all.

You could say that.

76 Dr Lizardo  Jul 31, 2014 3:18:55pm

re: #70 darthstar

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Lots of green tea, presumably. And probiotic yogurt.

77 EPR-radar  Jul 31, 2014 3:20:07pm

re: #74 Shiplord Kirel

We are at war with stupid people, Hoft fans, creationists, bigots, lepertarians, etc. Morons and enemies of human progress, one and all.

This. It is also worth noting that the Republicans really have become the party of willful stupidity organized by sociopathy.

78 darthstar  Jul 31, 2014 3:20:23pm

re: #76 Dr Lizardo

Lots of green tea, presumably. And probiotic yogurt.

Just open those floodgates and let it flow!

79 EPR-radar  Jul 31, 2014 3:21:19pm

re: #76 Dr Lizardo

Lots of green tea, presumably. And probiotic yogurt.

I’m sure a deep colon cleansing is just the thing when dealing with a hemorrhagic fever. ///

80 Bubblehead II  Jul 31, 2014 3:28:01pm
81 Jack Burton  Jul 31, 2014 3:30:11pm

re: #74 Shiplord Kirel

We are at war with stupid people, Hoft fans, creationists, bigots, lepertarians, etc. Morons and enemies of human progress, one and all.

“Rustlers, cut throats, murderers, bounty hunters, desperados, mugs, pugs, thugs, nitwits, halfwits, dimwits, vipers, snipers, con men, Indian agents, Mexican bandits, muggers, buggerers, bushwhackers, hornswogglers, horse thieves, bull dykes, train robbers, bank robbers, ass-kickers, shit-kickers, and Methodists!”

“Could you repeat that?”

82 TedStriker  Jul 31, 2014 3:32:20pm

re: #81 Jack Burton

“Rustlers, cut throats, murderers, bounty hunters, desperados, mugs, pugs, thugs, nitwits, halfwits, dimwits, vipers, snipers, con men, Indian agents, Mexican bandits, muggers, buggerers, bushwhackers, hornswogglers, horse thieves, bull dykes, train robbers, bank robbers, ass-kickers, shit-kickers, and Methodists!”

“Could you repeat that?”

“Ditto!”
“Ditto?!? You provincial putz!”

83 sattv4u2  Jul 31, 2014 3:33:11pm

US, UN announce deal on Gaza ceasefire

ynetnews.com

Israel and Palestinian delegation are set to convene in Cairo tomorrow morning to work on a long-term ceasefire deal, the statement said. The Palestinian team is said to include representatives from both Hamas and the Palestinian Islamic Jihad.

84 darthstar  Jul 31, 2014 3:33:50pm

re: #81 Jack Burton

I was so happy they included shit-kickers - I was a young shit kicker when that movie came out.

85 Jolo5309  Jul 31, 2014 3:34:04pm

re: #80 Bubblehead II

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Matthew 25:31-46?

Only losers know that one.

86 Charles Johnson  Jul 31, 2014 3:35:56pm
87 darthstar  Jul 31, 2014 3:36:03pm

They’re the CIA for fuck’s sake…abusing their power is in their charter.

88 Charles Johnson  Jul 31, 2014 3:36:14pm

Jason Leopold distorting the facts again.

89 Decatur Deb  Jul 31, 2014 3:38:29pm

re: #83 sattv4u2

US, UN announce deal on Gaza ceasefire

ynetnews.com

Israel and Palestinian delegation are set to convene in Cairo tomorrow morning to work on a long-term ceasefire deal, the statement said. The Palestinian team is said to include representatives from both Hamas and the Palestinian Islamic Jihad.

Ted Cruz is going, to help them get it together.

90 BeachDem  Jul 31, 2014 3:38:36pm

re: #74 Shiplord Kirel

We are at war with stupid people, Hoft fans, creationists, bigots, lepertarians, etc. Morons and enemies of human progress, one and all.

And speaking of the Utah teacher who got fired for talking about homophones, as usual, Charles Pierce says it best:

As everyone in Utah knows, the homophone is what you use to call your decorator. I don’t mind life imitating art, but I do mind life imitating old Designing Women episodes.

esquire.com

91 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jul 31, 2014 3:38:40pm

One of Dugin’s Eurasian (read: neo-fascist) thugs has been killed in Ukraine:

Here is he a couple of years ago, in NKVD uniform, “executing” the liberal Russian opposition leaders:

92 darthstar  Jul 31, 2014 3:40:01pm

re: #88 Charles Johnson

Jason Leopold distorting the facts again.

I just hacked into my computer and now I’m posting a message online with a dirty word in it…fuck!

93 Patricia Kayden  Jul 31, 2014 3:40:31pm

re: #69 Charles Johnson

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It’s remarkable how many of these idiots are out there, just boiling with rage and hatred.

Thankfully not enough to win the last two Presidential elections.

94 wrenchwench  Jul 31, 2014 3:41:08pm

re: #64 Randall Gross

meanwhile the design values, production quality, choreography and artistry of the latest Katy Perry video once again outweighs by far the efforts put into the actual music (not that the music is terrible.)

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Video

She’s being criticized for cultural appropriation on twitter.

95 Charles Johnson  Jul 31, 2014 3:43:05pm
96 Charles Johnson  Jul 31, 2014 3:44:48pm

The CIA Just Admitted That It Spied on the US Senate | VICE News

Earlier this month, the CIA’s own internal watchdog wrapped up a probe into the matter, and it turns out Brennan apparently misjudged the scope of reason — the agency’s inspector general, David Buckley, concluded that the CIA hacked into Senate staffers’ computers and spied on them.

That’s just wrong. Senate Intel Committee members were given access to the CIA’s RDINet network. The CIA did not “hack into Senate staffers’ computers” - that’s completely false.

97 klys  Jul 31, 2014 3:45:20pm

Cats and Shakespeare references: what could be better?

98 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 31, 2014 3:45:33pm

re: #91 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

One of Dugin’s Eurasian (read: neo-fascist) thugs has been killed in Ukraine:

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Here is he a couple of years ago, in NKVD uniform, “executing” the liberal Russian opposition leaders:

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Whose clan is that plaid?

99 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Jul 31, 2014 3:47:34pm

re: #98 Pie-onist Overlord

Whose clan is that plaid?

The whole plaid = clan thing was made up by cloth merchants at some point pretty recently in history.

100 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jul 31, 2014 3:47:39pm

re: #98 Pie-onist Overlord

Whose clan is that plaid?

Douchecanoes.

101 darthstar  Jul 31, 2014 3:48:26pm

re: #97 klys

Cats and Shakespeare references: what could be better?

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Ovid.

102 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 31, 2014 3:48:51pm

re: #99 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

The whole plaid = clan thing was made up by cloth merchants at some point pretty recently in history.

I think it was in the 1840’s, and promoted by Queen Victoria.

Sir Walter Scott.

103 jaunte  Jul 31, 2014 3:49:08pm

Capitol Hill reporters described the scene at the Capitol as “embarrassing” and “chaotic” as Republican leaders pulled the bill down then met in the basement in a desperate attempt to muster votes before they adjourn for five weeks.

104 darthstar  Jul 31, 2014 3:49:50pm

re: #101 darthstar

Ovid.

Shakespeare could have written for Buzzfeed…damn plagiarist.

105 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jul 31, 2014 3:50:00pm

Meanwhile here is Simon Ostrovsky with a gruesome report about an apparent mass murder by Strelkov’s gentlemen in Slavyansk.

Youtube Video

106 Decatur Deb  Jul 31, 2014 3:51:02pm

re: #94 wrenchwench

She’s being criticized for cultural appropriation on twitter.

Hip hop will survive.

107 Charles Johnson  Jul 31, 2014 3:51:26pm
108 klys  Jul 31, 2014 3:51:47pm

re: #104 darthstar

Shakespeare could have written for Buzzfeed…damn plagiarist.

Midsummer Night’s Dream is my favorite Shakespeare play, so that’s the reference that springs to mind first for me.

Apologies.

109 Decatur Deb  Jul 31, 2014 3:54:20pm

re: #104 darthstar

Shakespeare could have written for Buzzfeed…damn plagiarist.

Ripped off Romeo and Juliette from an old home boy, Luigi da Porto.

en.wikipedia.org

110 wrenchwench  Jul 31, 2014 3:54:43pm

re: #106 Decatur Deb

Hip hop will survive.

Sadly, I know so little about pop culture I can’t tell who is appropriating what, but when I see the tweets with the commentary and a still of Katy with the watermelon, I gotta wonder….and I did recognize a goofy pic of Aretha in there. Homage or appropriation?

111 Decatur Deb  Jul 31, 2014 3:55:54pm

re: #110 wrenchwench

Sadly, I know so little about pop culture I can’t tell who is appropriating what, but when I see the tweets with the commentary and a still of Katy with the watermelon, I gotta wonder….and I did recognize a goofy pic of Aretha in there. Homage or appropriation?

One of the commenters claims she appropriated Pee Wee Herman culture.

112 darthstar  Jul 31, 2014 3:56:17pm

re: #108 klys

Midsummer Night’s Dream is my favorite Shakespeare play, so that’s the reference that springs to mind first for me.

Apologies.

Ah, the play within a play - Yes…and a fun one too. My favorite Shakespeare play is The Tempest…but I fancy myself a bit of a Prospero.

113 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Jul 31, 2014 3:56:49pm

re: #102 Pie-onist Overlord

I think it was in the 1840’s, and promoted by Queen Victoria.

Sir Walter Scott.

Right, it was when Balmoral became the place the Royals went to get away from it all.

114 Decatur Deb  Jul 31, 2014 3:57:05pm

re: #112 darthstar

Ah, the play within a play - Yes…and a fun one too. My favorite Shakespeare play is The Tempest…but I fancy myself a bit of a Prospero.

It would make a good science fiction movie…

115 klys  Jul 31, 2014 3:57:51pm

re: #112 darthstar

Ah, the play within a play - Yes…and a fun one too. My favorite Shakespeare play is The Tempest…but I fancy myself a bit of a Prospero.

I did see an fantastic version of Much Ado About Nothing a few years back, set in WWII England with the male heroes as pilots home on leave, big band music as appropriate, and absolutely fantastic acting. It almost knocked Midsummer’s out of first place.

Almost.

116 wrenchwench  Jul 31, 2014 3:58:30pm

re: #111 Decatur Deb

One of the commenters claims she appropriated Pee Wee Herman culture.

Somebody cultured Pee Wee Herman?

117 klys  Jul 31, 2014 3:58:41pm

re: #114 Decatur Deb

It would make a good science fiction movie…

Our local Shakespeare company did Pericles as SF …two years ago?

All the messengers wore red shirts and died in creative ways after delivering their message, among other touches.

118 Decatur Deb  Jul 31, 2014 3:59:03pm

re: #116 wrenchwench

Somebody cultured Pee Wee Herman?

Petri dish with a lot of foot room.

119 Charles Johnson  Jul 31, 2014 3:59:12pm

re: #64 Randall Gross

I guess some people like it, but for me that music is indeed horrible. I had to turn it off. Unlistenable over-processed auto-tuned rubbish.

Not to put too fine a point on it.

120 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jul 31, 2014 3:59:29pm

re: #99 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

The whole plaid = clan thing was made up by cloth merchants at some point pretty recently in history.

Originally by a couple of Poles who washed up on Scottish shores claiming to be bastard sons of Bonnie Prince Charlie and claiming to possess an ancient Roman volume on Highland vestments…all a romantic fiction that even the clueless clan chiefs lapped up readily.

121 Decatur Deb  Jul 31, 2014 3:59:38pm

re: #117 klys

Our local Shakespeare company did Pericles as SF …two years ago?

All the messengers wore red shirts and died in creative ways after delivering their message, among other touches.

That’s cool. Any video capture?

122 Targetpractice  Jul 31, 2014 3:59:55pm

re: #103 jaunte

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GOTP seems to be well and truly fucked.

123 klys  Jul 31, 2014 4:00:40pm

re: #121 Decatur Deb

That’s cool. Any video capture?

Unfortunately none that I know of. For any of their performances. Sadly.

124 ausador  Jul 31, 2014 4:01:18pm

re: #88 Charles Johnson

Jason Leopold distorting the facts again.

Left a comment there after @ErrataRob asked somebody to, :D

125 klys  Jul 31, 2014 4:01:22pm

re: #121 Decatur Deb

That’s cool. Any video capture?

However, I did find their Pinterest board for costuming for that production.

126 Decatur Deb  Jul 31, 2014 4:02:45pm

re: #123 klys

Unfortunately none that I know of. For any of their performances. Sadly.

Bummer. This is the SF Tempest, of course.

Image: forbidden_planet.jpg

127 RealityBasedSteve  Jul 31, 2014 4:04:13pm

One saving grace out of the debacle in the House, if Cruz was uncertain about getting any support from the National party to support his presidential aspirations, I think whatever he chance he had is gone like Donkey Kong.

RBS

128 Jack Burton  Jul 31, 2014 4:04:56pm

re: #126 Decatur Deb

Bummer. This is the SF Tempest, of course.

Image: forbidden_planet.jpg

Yes, relatively simple alcohol molecules with traces of fusile oil. Would 60 gallons be sufficient?

129 Decatur Deb  Jul 31, 2014 4:06:20pm

re: #128 Jack Burton

Yes, relatively simple alcohol molecules with traces of fusile oil. Would 60 gallons be sufficient?

“Would diamonds do?”

130 Dr Lizardo  Jul 31, 2014 4:06:35pm

re: #126 Decatur Deb

Bummer. This is the SF Tempest, of course.

Image: forbidden_planet.jpg

My favorite Shakespeare adaptation was Ran, from King Lear. Epic. And directed by Akira Kurosawa to boot.

Youtube Video

And with that, good night.

131 BeachDem  Jul 31, 2014 4:06:44pm

re: #127 RealityBasedSteve

One saving grace out of the debacle in the House, if Cruz was uncertain about getting any support from the National party to support his presidential aspirations, I think whatever he chance he had is gone like Donkey Kong.

RBS

Somebody please help me out here. Is there any precedent for a Senator sticking his nose so derply (sic) into House business before? I can’t think of any offhand.

132 Targetpractice  Jul 31, 2014 4:06:53pm

re: #126 Decatur Deb

Bummer. This is the SF Tempest, of course.

Image: forbidden_planet.jpg

Monsters from the Id.

133 Decatur Deb  Jul 31, 2014 4:07:33pm

re: #130 Dr Lizardo

My favorite Shakespeare adaptation was Ran, from King Lear. Epic. And directed by Akira Kurosawa to boot.

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And with that, good night.

Think it was him who made Throne of Blood from Macbeth.

134 Decatur Deb  Jul 31, 2014 4:08:32pm

re: #131 BeachDem

Somebody please help me out here. Is there any precedent for a Senator sticking his nose so derply (sic) into House business before? I can’t think of any offhand.

Some asshole named Cruz has done it recently.

135 Justanotherhuman  Jul 31, 2014 4:09:18pm

Is Pres Obama having a little sit down with Brennan?

Meanwhile, on the other side of the digital divide, I came out of the grocery store a few minutes ago and noticed a very large grasshopper on the trunk of my car. Thinking it would jump off when I got going down the road, it held its ground and was still there when I just parked. Persistent little bugger.

A time when I wished I had a smart phone and could have taken a photo. : )

136 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jul 31, 2014 4:10:36pm

re: #135 Justanotherhuman

Is Pres Obama having a little sit down with Brennan?

Meanwhile, on the other side of the digital divide, I came out of the grocery store a few minutes ago and noticed a very large grasshopper on the trunk of my car. Thinking it would jump off when I got going down the road, it held its ground and was still there when I just parked. Persistent little bugger.

A time when I wished I had a smart phone and could have taken a photo. : )

Look who’s here! How have you been?

137 darthstar  Jul 31, 2014 4:10:39pm

re: #134 Decatur Deb

Some asshole named Cruz has done it recently.

The first time he did it just because it hadn’t been done before. Today he did it because there was a precedent.

138 b_sharp  Jul 31, 2014 4:10:53pm

re: #135 Justanotherhuman

Is Pres Obama having a little sit down with Brennan?

Meanwhile, on the other side of the digital divide, I came out of the grocery store a few minutes ago and noticed a very large grasshopper on the trunk of my car. Thinking it would jump off when I got going down the road, it held its ground and was still there when I just parked. Persistent little bugger.

A time when I wished I had a smart phone and could have taken a photo. : )

It was an NSA bug.

139 Decatur Deb  Jul 31, 2014 4:11:34pm

re: #135 Justanotherhuman

Is Pres Obama having a little sit down with Brennan?

Meanwhile, on the other side of the digital divide, I came out of the grocery store a few minutes ago and noticed a very large grasshopper on the trunk of my car. Thinking it would jump off when I got going down the road, it held its ground and was still there when I just parked. Persistent little bugger.

A time when I wished I had a smart phone and could have taken a photo. : )

You’re gonna need a bigger camera.

Image: grasshoppers-chicago.jpg

140 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jul 31, 2014 4:12:09pm

re: #126 Decatur Deb

Bummer. This is the SF Tempest, of course.

Image: forbidden_planet.jpg

I prefer the Fantastic Planet.

veoh.com

141 Justanotherhuman  Jul 31, 2014 4:12:26pm

re: #136 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

Look who’s here! How have you been?

It’s all good! I’ve gotten moved, and love the new space. Still having to use my grandson’s super-duper gaming ‘puter until I get a laptop or tablet with a keyboard…

How has everyone been?

142 Justanotherhuman  Jul 31, 2014 4:13:42pm

re: #138 b_sharp

It was an NSA bug.

Haha, you’re not shilling for Greenwald, are ya?

143 Decatur Deb  Jul 31, 2014 4:13:54pm

re: #140 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

I prefer the Fantastic Planet.

veoh.com

Can’t watch mature content and maintain the quality of my output here.

144 GeneJockey  Jul 31, 2014 4:15:14pm

re: #99 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

The whole plaid = clan thing was made up by cloth merchants at some point pretty recently in history.

Och! Taell me it’s nae trew!

Just as well. The Buchanan plaid that would go with being descended from Watsons is pretty ugly. Looks like wearing a 1970 kitchen.

I kannae gie ye more powerrr, Captain! Shee’ll blow!!

145 ObserverArt  Jul 31, 2014 4:15:51pm

re: #141 Justanotherhuman

It’s all good! I’ve gotten moved, and love the new space. Still having to use my grandson’s super-duper gaming ‘puter until I get a laptop or tablet with a keyboard…

How has everyone been?

I for one have missed your excellent reporting from all over the world.

Glad to hear everything is good. Get hooked up soon.

146 Mike Lamb  Jul 31, 2014 4:15:55pm

I wish someone would ask Cruz the 3-5 things that he’s accomplished in the Senate that have a) helped his constituency and/or b) helped the general population of the US.

Everything…everything…he has done that is noteworthy has made people’s lives harder. Whether it’s trying to deny health insurance coverage via repealing Obamacare (when he represents a state with huge numbers of uninsured) or shutting down the gov’t over Obamacare or placing holds on Dept. of State nominees over bullshit conspiracy theories or torpedoing immigration reform.

He’s a legitimately terrible person that is doing a lot of damage to the country.

147 GeneJockey  Jul 31, 2014 4:16:28pm

re: #140 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

I prefer the Fantastic Planet.

veoh.com

Yeah, cripes. We spend enough time dealing with Monsters From The Id in real life - and I’m looking at YOU, Gohmert!

148 darthstar  Jul 31, 2014 4:16:57pm
149 Targetpractice  Jul 31, 2014 4:18:00pm

re: #146 Mike Lamb

I wish someone would ask Cruz the 3-5 things that he’s accomplished in the Senate that have a) helped his constituency and/or b) helped the general population of the US.

Everything…everything…he has done that is noteworthy has made people’s lives harder. Whether it’s trying to deny health insurance coverage via repealing Obamacare (when he represents a state with huge numbers of uninsured) or shutting down the gov’t over Obamacare or placing holds on Dept. of State nominees over bullshit conspiracy theories or torpedoing immigration reform.

He’s a legitimately terrible person that is doing a lot of damage to the country.

Thing is, if you actually asked him that question, his response would probably be that, by standing in the way of government, he’s made people’s lives “better.” He doesn’t see what he’s doing as destructive or hurtful, because (say it with me, class) “I’ve got mine!”

150 GeneJockey  Jul 31, 2014 4:18:13pm

re: #146 Mike Lamb

I wish someone would ask Cruz the 3-5 things that he’s accomplished in the Senate that have a) helped his constituency and/or b) helped the general population of the US.

Everything…everything…he has done that is noteworthy has made people’s lives harder. Whether it’s trying to deny health insurance coverage via repealing Obamacare (when he represents a state with huge numbers of uninsured) or shutting down the gov’t over Obamacare or placing holds on Dept. of State nominees over bullshit conspiracy theories or torpedoing immigration reform.

He’s a legitimately terrible person that is doing a lot of damage to the country.

You know the sad thing? All the obstruction, all the pain he’s caused - his constituents are not only okay with it, they actually LOVE that shit.

151 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jul 31, 2014 4:18:13pm

re: #143 Decatur Deb

Can’t watch mature content and maintain the quality of my output here.

If it’s mature, then only in intellectual sense ;)

152 darthstar  Jul 31, 2014 4:19:09pm

72 hour cease fire. Hopefully there will be some kind of discussion.

153 makeitstop  Jul 31, 2014 4:20:23pm

re: #107 Charles Johnson

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Stay with it. That’s one of the best series evah.

154 Targetpractice  Jul 31, 2014 4:21:00pm

re: #152 darthstar

72 hour cease fire. Hopefully there will be some kind of discussion.

Being the cynic that I am, I expect it to be over by tomorrow. Somebody will launch a rocket or blow up a building and that’ll be that.

155 GeneJockey  Jul 31, 2014 4:23:18pm

re: #154 Targetpractice

Being the cynic that I am, I expect it to be over by tomorrow. Somebody will launch a rocket or blow up a building and that’ll be that.

I think that’s why so many - including myself - are so jaded. You could have huge majorities on both sides wanting peace, and even agreeing on a framework, and a couple assholes with a bomb or a rocket will fuck that right up.

156 b_sharp  Jul 31, 2014 4:25:02pm

re: #155 GeneJockey

I think that’s why so many - including myself - are so jaded. You could have huge majorities on both sides wanting peace, and even agreeing on a framework, and a couple assholes with a bomb or a rocket will fuck that right up.

One nice thing about being a cynic, you’re never disappointed.

157 GeneJockey  Jul 31, 2014 4:27:30pm

re: #156 b_sharp

One nice thing about being a cynic, you’re never disappointed.

Yes, and pretty much anything that happens that doesn’t suck is a pleasant surprise.

158 Justanotherhuman  Jul 31, 2014 4:27:39pm

re: #155 GeneJockey

I think that’s why so many - including myself - are so jaded. You could have huge majorities on both sides wanting peace, and even agreeing on a framework, and a couple assholes with a bomb or a rocket will fuck that right up.

And in the midst of all of it, GG retweets this:

159 darthstar  Jul 31, 2014 4:32:11pm

re: #156 b_sharp

One nice thing about being a cynic, you’re never disappointed.

I was just talking to one of my team about how the internet is a great place to sharpen ones skills as a cynic.

160 b_sharp  Jul 31, 2014 4:32:25pm

re: #158 Justanotherhuman

And in the midst of all of it, GG retweets this:

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GG will dance with the devil in the pale moon light, no matter how cruel and evil the devil is, as long as the devil agrees with GG on the NSA.

161 Justanotherhuman  Jul 31, 2014 4:32:37pm

This is awful…

Taiwan gas blasts in Kaohsiung kill at least 20

bbc.com

“A series of gas explosions in the southern Taiwanese city of Kaohsiung has killed 20 people and injured about 270, officials say.

“The exact cause of the gas leaks is not clear, but reports say the blasts were caused by ruptured pipelines.

“Images from the scene show major fires, cars overturned and significant damage to roads and buildings.

“Dozens of those injured by the blasts were taken to hospitals for treatment, Taiwan’s fire agency said.”

More, with photos

162 klys  Jul 31, 2014 4:32:44pm

Cue more paranoid freakouts.

163 wrenchwench  Jul 31, 2014 4:35:10pm

re: #105 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

Meanwhile here is Simon Ostrovsky with a gruesome report about an apparent mass murder by Strelkov’s gentlemen in Slavyansk.

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Video

I didn’t want to watch that, but here’s a still from it.

164 GeneJockey  Jul 31, 2014 4:35:28pm

re: #162 klys

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Cue more paranoid freakouts.

I thought we were going to get it from the Central American refugee illegal children, who come from a place where there is no Ebola.

165 Justanotherhuman  Jul 31, 2014 4:35:28pm

Rep Don Young (R-AK) grabs staffer’s arm for trying to stop him from entering in-progress GOP mtg through front door

vine.co

Ow, already!

166 darthstar  Jul 31, 2014 4:36:23pm

re: #158 Justanotherhuman

I’m about as fond of Greenwald as I am of getting a ruptured hemorrhoid. But I do think that a reduction in arms donations wouldn’t be a bad thing…or even just asking Israel to pay up front for the arms we send them. I know it’s only a few billion a year, but we end up paying that as taxpayers. Additionally, it might encourage a more diplomatic approach to dealing with one’s neighbors. Having the biggest dick and hammer makes it easy to pound nails/extinguish your enemies, but it isn’t scalable in the long run.

Besides…it’s the principle of the matter. Think how much better their self esteem would be if they didn’t have to sit on Uncle Sam’s lap every time they wanted a missile defense system.

167 wrenchwench  Jul 31, 2014 4:36:26pm

re: #162 klys

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Cue more paranoid freakouts.

Wait, I thought 50,000 cases of Ebola had already crossed the border since October.

///

168 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jul 31, 2014 4:37:26pm

re: #163 wrenchwench

Among the victims are 4 Pentecostals. Apparently they were killed for their cars, but who knows, maybe bigotry of the Orthodox fundies played a role too.

169 darthstar  Jul 31, 2014 4:37:44pm
170 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jul 31, 2014 4:39:31pm

re: #168 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

Among the victims are 4 Pentecostals. Apparently they were killed for their cars, but who knows, maybe bigotry of the Orthodox fundies played a role too.

Katyn Forest all over again…

171 Targetpractice  Jul 31, 2014 4:39:59pm

Charlie Pierce is once again in fine form with regards to the present GOTP crisis:

There were those of us who thought that when Eric Cantor was defeated in his primary for re-election that he would leave office without ever telling John Boehner the location of the Mason Jar in which Cantor had buried the Speaker’s balls. There were those of us who thought that this would be like one of those adventure novels in which the last man who knows the secret dies unexpectedly without ever having passed it along. There were those of us who thought maybe Dan Brown could one day get a novel out of the search for Boehner’s balls. But we needn’t have been so concerned. Cantor did his duty to posterity. He passed along the secret of where the Mason Jar is buried. He passed it along to Ted Cruz.

172 ObserverArt  Jul 31, 2014 4:40:02pm

re: #119 Charles Johnson

I guess some people like it, but for me that music is indeed horrible. I had to turn it off. Unlistenable over-processed auto-tuned rubbish.

Not to put too fine a point on it.

Remember when we all liked vinyl?

Now, some of the music is like vinyl.

Lifeless, usually trying to be like something natural and no feel to it.

173 Justanotherhuman  Jul 31, 2014 4:40:11pm

re: #168 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

Among the victims are 4 Pentecostals. Apparently they were killed for their cars, but who knows, maybe bigotry of the Orthodox fundies played a role too.

I hope he recovers, but this is the wife of that doctor…in spite of the extremely science-based treatment he is receiving.

Wife of Dr. Kent Brantly, US doctor with Ebola: ‘Thank you to our good friends and thousands more who have been in constant prayer and fasting for Kent’s deliverance from this disease’; ‘I remain hopeful and believing that Kent will be healed’ - statement via @NBCNews
end of alert

I just don’t get that.

174 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Jul 31, 2014 4:42:07pm

re: #173 Justanotherhuman

God likes popular people, apparently, is what i get from the whole ‘the more people praying for you the better’ thing.

I can understand praying for someone’s emotional state, just that kind of “THinking about you” thing. But when you start thinking god picks who lives and dies, god becomes a really sick monster.

175 wrenchwench  Jul 31, 2014 4:42:56pm

re: #165 Justanotherhuman

Rep Don Young (R-AK) grabs staffer’s arm for trying to stop him from entering in-progress GOP mtg through front door

vine.co

Ow, already!

Gave it a twist, too. What a mean bastard.

176 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Jul 31, 2014 4:45:52pm

My wife is away for a medical conference on a stupid cruise ship where phone calls are a zillion dollars all weekend and it’s bumming me out amazingly. She is just my favorite person in the world and conversation with her is the highlight of my day. It’s only three days, but damn, I miss her.

I think I need MST3k to get me through this.

Edit: Damn it it’s four days.

177 GeneJockey  Jul 31, 2014 4:47:11pm

re: #174 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

God likes popular people, apparently, is what i get from the whole ‘the more people praying for you the better’ thing.

I can understand praying for someone’s emotional state, just that kind of “THinking about you” thing. But when you start thinking god picks who lives and dies, god becomes a really sick monster.

It’s worse if you think that he already did, way back at the start of everything, and just watches it playing out. That he created billions of people just to burn in hell for all eternity because he decided they should.

Why anyone would praise such a god is beyond me.

178 Targetpractice  Jul 31, 2014 4:47:26pm

re: #176 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

My wife is away for a medical conference on a stupid cruise ship where phone calls are a zillion dollars all weekend and it’s bumming me out amazingly. She is just my favorite person in the world and conversation with her is the highlight of my day. It’s only three days, but damn, I miss her.

I think I need MST3k to get me through this.

Think most of the old episodes are on Youtube these days. Perhaps you need a bit of Space Mutiny to take your mind off the loneliness.

179 allegro  Jul 31, 2014 4:48:02pm

re: #146 Mike Lamb

I wish someone would ask Cruz the 3-5 things that he’s accomplished in the Senate that have a) helped his constituency and/or b) helped the general population of the US.

Everything…everything…he has done that is noteworthy has made people’s lives harder. Whether it’s trying to deny health insurance coverage via repealing Obamacare (when he represents a state with huge numbers of uninsured) or shutting down the gov’t over Obamacare or placing holds on Dept. of State nominees over bullshit conspiracy theories or torpedoing immigration reform.

He’s a legitimately terrible person that is doing a lot of damage to the country.

He’s the little kid on the block who ran over people’s toes with his tricycle and laughed and laughed and Daddy said “chip off the old block!”

180 b_sharp  Jul 31, 2014 4:48:06pm

re: #175 wrenchwench

Gave it a twist, too. What a mean bastard.

Charge him with assault.

181 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Jul 31, 2014 4:48:31pm

re: #178 Targetpractice

Think most of the old episodes are on Youtube these days. Perhaps you need a bit of Space Mutiny to take your mind off the loneliness.

I think Spider Island.

And yeah, they’re all on youtube, often in pretty good quality. The old ‘circulate the tapes’ philosophy of MST3k still going strong.

182 b_sharp  Jul 31, 2014 4:48:35pm

re: #176 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

My wife is away for a medical conference on a stupid cruise ship where phone calls are a zillion dollars all weekend and it’s bumming me out amazingly. She is just my favorite person in the world and conversation with her is the highlight of my day. It’s only three days, but damn, I miss her.

I think I need MST3k to get me through this.

You have us.

183 Justanotherhuman  Jul 31, 2014 4:50:37pm

BTW, I finally found out what my late son had been hiding from the family for the last few months before his death. He had undergone a stent insertion about 2 yrs ago and was suffering arryhthmia and had a cardiac arrest in my living room on Easter morning, and was put on life support for the next 5 days.

We got a copy of his death certificate and the primary cause of death was ventricular fibrillation, with ischemic cardiomyopathy”, the latter being present for 6 months previously.

184 EPR-radar  Jul 31, 2014 4:51:27pm

re: #173 Justanotherhuman

I hope he recovers, but this is the wife of that doctor…in spite of the extremely science-based treatment he is receiving.

Wife of Dr. Kent Brantly, US doctor with Ebola: ‘Thank you to our good friends and thousands more who have been in constant prayer and fasting for Kent’s deliverance from this disease’; ‘I remain hopeful and believing that Kent will be healed’ - statement via @NBCNews
end of alert

I just don’t get that.

I’m not going to endorse the efficacy of prayer, but as I understand it, the best available medical treatment for Ebola is “treat symptoms as possible and hope the patient doesn’t die”.

So this isn’t something that is categorically stupid, like praying in relation to an appendicitis case.

185 b_sharp  Jul 31, 2014 4:51:43pm

re: #183 Justanotherhuman

BTW, I finally found out what my late son had been hiding from the family for the last few months before his death. He had undergone a stent insertion about 2 yrs ago and was suffering arryhthmia and had a cardiac arrest in my living room on Easter morning, and was put on life support for the next 5 days.

We got a copy of his death certificate and the primary cause of death was ventricular fibrillation, with ischemic cardiomyopathy”, the latter being present for 6 months previously.

{{{Justanotherhuman}}}

186 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jul 31, 2014 4:52:00pm

re: #181 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

Have you seen the Fantastic Planet?

187 wrenchwench  Jul 31, 2014 4:52:07pm

re: #176 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

My wife is away for a medical conference on a stupid cruise ship where phone calls are a zillion dollars all weekend and it’s bumming me out amazingly. She is just my favorite person in the world and conversation with her is the highlight of my day. It’s only three days, but damn, I miss her.

I think I need MST3k to get me through this.

When Mr. w is away, I constantly have a feeling he’s in the next room. But he’s rarely been out of phone range since we’ve had cell phones.

188 RealityBasedSteve  Jul 31, 2014 4:53:37pm

re: #182 b_sharp

You have us.

And since it’s Thursday, there should also be pie shortly.

RBS

189 b_sharp  Jul 31, 2014 4:53:37pm

re: #187 wrenchwench

When Mr. w is away, I constantly have a feeling he’s in the next room. But he’s rarely been out of phone range since we’ve had cell phones.

I only time I have the feeling my wife is lurking is when I contemplate being bad.

190 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Jul 31, 2014 4:53:40pm

re: #187 wrenchwench

When Mr. w is away, I constantly have a feeling he’s in the next room. But he’s rarely been out of phone range since we’ve had cell phones.

I didn’t know there was a Mr. W. Somehow I always pictured you contentedly among the bikes, waiting for the guy to come in that had just the perfect frame and chain.

191 wrenchwench  Jul 31, 2014 4:53:40pm

re: #180 b_sharp

Charge him with assault.

I think the young man works for him. He’ll probably lose his job anyway when his boss sees that Vine, so he might as well sue, then change parties.

192 klys  Jul 31, 2014 4:54:56pm

re: #187 wrenchwench

When Mr. w is away, I constantly have a feeling he’s in the next room. But he’s rarely been out of phone range since we’ve had cell phones.

Mr. klys is going to a conference for work for part of next week.

I admit to the occasional bout of completely irrational panic about the air travel, but I’m doing my best to keep them under control.

193 wrenchwench  Jul 31, 2014 4:55:18pm

re: #190 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

I didn’t know there was a Mr. W. Somehow I always pictured you contentedly among the bikes, waiting for the guy to come in that had just the perfect frame and chain.

30 years and counting. He’s the one who got me into bikes deeply enough to turn pro.

194 jaunte  Jul 31, 2014 4:55:30pm

re: #175 wrenchwench

Gave it a twist, too. What a mean bastard.

Typical (R-Bully)

195 wrenchwench  Jul 31, 2014 4:56:19pm

re: #192 klys

Mr. klys is going to a conference for work for part of next week.

I admit to the occasional bout of completely irrational panic about the air travel, but I’m doing my best to keep them under control.

Mr. w quit flying before I met him. But irrational fears aren’t limited to one form of transportation.

196 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 31, 2014 4:56:54pm

*LIGHTS A BUNCH OF STUFF ON FIRE*
*HURLS BURNING STUFF OUT THE WINDOW*

197 klys  Jul 31, 2014 4:57:21pm

re: #195 wrenchwench

Mr. w quit flying before I met him. But irrational fears aren’t limited to one form of transportation.

I am perfectly capable of having them when he takes too long driving home too.

In general, he knows and tries to let me know if he gets delayed.

198 b_sharp  Jul 31, 2014 4:57:43pm

re: #194 jaunte

Typical (R-Bully)

Many bullies never get over being bullies.

199 Targetpractice  Jul 31, 2014 4:57:54pm

re: #196 Pie-onist Overlord

*LIGHTS A BUNCH OF STUFF ON FIRE*
*HURLS BURNING STUFF OUT THE WINDOW*

[Embedded content]

Don’t hold back. Tell us how you really feel.

///

200 Kragar  Jul 31, 2014 4:59:15pm

re: #181 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

I think Spider Island.

And yeah, they’re all on youtube, often in pretty good quality. The old ‘circulate the tapes’ philosophy of MST3k still going strong.

Might I suggest “The Skydivers”?

Youtube Video

201 GeneJockey  Jul 31, 2014 5:00:30pm

Mrs. J has been going on several 1-3 day “Wild Women Weekends” every year for at least 15 years, and has twice gone to visit her Dad in Florida without us.

For a while, I worried that the fact that I was okay with her not being around meant something, but it’s really just who we are, and knowing each other for 38 years, and spending the first 12 years of that in an on-again-off again relationship where we sometimes lived thousands of miles away. I think it’s given us the feeling that we’re destined to be together, so brief times apart don’t bother us.

Or I’m a cold, heartless bastard. Not sure which.
/////

202 wrenchwench  Jul 31, 2014 5:01:26pm

re: #196 Pie-onist Overlord

*LIGHTS A BUNCH OF STUFF ON FIRE*
*HURLS BURNING STUFF OUT THE WINDOW*

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What a bastard Mr. Taylor is.

While the amount of money to be paid to illegal aliens at the Karnes City facility is small [$3 for four hours of work] and well below the federal minimum wage, it is still a grave insult to Americans and legal immigrants to pay illegal aliens to stay in the United States on top of giving them better housing and amenities than America’s poor families.

And it still looks like jail to me.

203 jaunte  Jul 31, 2014 5:02:35pm

re: #202 wrenchwench

Like Hannity and his waterboarding, none of these nuts would be willing to live under those conditions for a day.

204 Charles Johnson  Jul 31, 2014 5:03:23pm

re: #196 Pie-onist Overlord

*LIGHTS A BUNCH OF STUFF ON FIRE*
*HURLS BURNING STUFF OUT THE WINDOW*

[Embedded content]

Here we go again.

205 wrenchwench  Jul 31, 2014 5:03:28pm

re: #203 jaunte

Like Hannity and his waterboarding, none of these nuts would be willing to live under those conditions for a day.

Or send their kid to a summer camp like that.

206 b_sharp  Jul 31, 2014 5:03:38pm

re: #201 GeneJockey

Mrs. J has been going on several 1-3 day “Wild Women Weekends” every year for at least 15 years, and has twice gone to visit her Dad in Florida without us.

For a while, I worried that the fact that I was okay with her not being around meant something, but it’s really just who we are, and knowing each other for 38 years, and spending the first 12 years of that in an on-again-off again relationship where we sometimes lived thousands of miles away. I think it’s given us the feeling that we’re destined to be together, so brief times apart don’t bother us.

Or I’m a cold, heartless bastard. Not sure which.
/////

I think it’s obvious.

207 TedStriker  Jul 31, 2014 5:06:34pm

I probably shouldn’t be laughing at this, but I just can’t help it:

Ars Technica: Trolls bring down the launch of conservative social network “Reaganbook”

Here, I ran across a comment from ‘mattand’ (I wonder, seeing as that doesn’t seem to be a common handle, if that’s our ‘mattand’) that had me rolling:

mattand

wolftaur

neodorian

They mention relaunching after they learn how to make it “more secure”. My question is how do you secure a public site from people who want to post content (for humor or any other reason) that you don’t want?

The real question is how do you secure a public site when the vast majority of computer people support your opponent?

Seriously, I live in one of the reddest states in the country, and out of every single sysadmin and programmer I know in the area, only one isn’t a Democrat. (She’s an independent.)

Yeah, I know what you mean. I was at a Sooper Sekrit Liberal Dem Sysadmin meeting where they re-affirmed their vow to destroy all conservative internet sites ever. Because that’s what they do.

We then beat a piñata shaped like Reagan until welfare checks fell out.

208 GeneJockey  Jul 31, 2014 5:06:40pm

re: #203 jaunte

Like Hannity and his waterboarding, none of these nuts would be willing to live under those conditions for a day.

Like the folks who think minimum wage is no big deal because back when they were in High School they worked at a minimum wage job while living at home, eating food their parents paid for, driving their parents’ cars. “What’s the big deal? I worked a minimum wage job and saved enough to go to college!”

209 ausador  Jul 31, 2014 5:07:28pm

So the news out of Wisconsin is about what you would expect…

The Supreme court there ruled in favor in Gov. Walkers restrictions on collective bargaining. It also upheld the new voter I.D. requirements.

The only good news is that it did not overturn the same-sex registry law that…

gives same-sex couples the right to hospital visits, family medical leave to care for a stricken partner, health benefits under a partner’s insurance and the right to inherit assets when a partner dies.

reuters.com

210 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 31, 2014 5:07:56pm

re: #208 GeneJockey

Like the folks who think minimum wage is no big deal because back when they were in High School they worked at a minimum wage job while living at home, eating food their parents paid for, driving their parents’ cars. “What’s the big deal? I worked a minimum wage job and saved enough to go to college!”

211 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 31, 2014 5:08:59pm

BTW that’s a popular meme on TCOT which goes “This isn’t because I’m Conservative but because I’m an adult.”

I just fixed it for them.

212 b_sharp  Jul 31, 2014 5:09:35pm

re: #210 Pie-onist Overlord

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Poor woman in the picture is forever going to be associated with that sentiment.

213 Charles Johnson  Jul 31, 2014 5:10:26pm

They’re really working overtime drumming up xenophobic hatred at Gateway Pundit.

214 jaunte  Jul 31, 2014 5:10:57pm

Oh look, details.

215 sagehen  Jul 31, 2014 5:12:29pm

re: #176 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

My wife is away for a medical conference on a stupid cruise ship where phone calls are a zillion dollars all weekend and it’s bumming me out amazingly. She is just my favorite person in the world and conversation with her is the highlight of my day. It’s only three days, but damn, I miss her.

I think I need MST3k to get me through this.

Edit: Damn it it’s four days.

I assume you already know to clean the house and do the laundry and have fresh sheets on the bed when she gets home and her favorite meal ready to reheat (table set with the good dishes and best tablecloth and candles and flowers) and her favorite dessert and her favorite bath stuff ready and whatever other special treats will prove you were thinking about her while she was away…

216 dog philosopher  Jul 31, 2014 5:13:18pm

re: #196 Pie-onist Overlord

*LIGHTS A BUNCH OF STUFF ON FIRE*
*HURLS BURNING STUFF OUT THE WINDOW*

Obama to Pay Illegal Aliens; Give All You Can Eat Meals, Free Cable TV, Lawyers, Medical, Dental

in a very real way they are attempting to set outer wingnuttia on fire and hurl it at the election

217 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 31, 2014 5:17:05pm
218 Charles Johnson  Jul 31, 2014 5:19:21pm

That “pay” for the “illegal aliens?”

$3.00 A DAY for four hours of work.

Apparently this asshole thinks these children should be thrown into work camps and fed gruel laced with maggots.

219 b_sharp  Jul 31, 2014 5:20:01pm

re: #214 jaunte

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Oh look, details.

What are those details and are they backed by solid evidence and not quote mining/cherry picking?

220 GeneJockey  Jul 31, 2014 5:20:52pm

re: #218 Charles Johnson

That “pay” for the “illegal aliens?”

$3.00 A DAY for four hours of work.

Apparently this asshole thinks these children should be thrown into work camps and fed gruel laced with maggots.

Anything less is insufficiently punishing, because Lady Liberty says, “Send me your tired, your poor, and I’ll make them sorry they ever came here!!”

///

221 GeneJockey  Jul 31, 2014 5:21:21pm

re: #219 b_sharp

What are those details and are they backed by solid evidence and not quote mining/cherry picking?

Cripes, you ask a lot, don’t you?
////

222 jaunte  Jul 31, 2014 5:21:49pm
Even the walls of the center have been painted with many colorful characters and pictures as many children are expected to call it home. kxan.com

Do they not have lumps of charcoal to self-decorate the walls without bankrupting the taxpayer!!!!?????

223 RealityBasedSteve  Jul 31, 2014 5:21:55pm

re: #218 Charles Johnson

That “pay” for the “illegal aliens?”

$3.00 A DAY for four hours of work.

Apparently this asshole thinks these children should be thrown into work camps and fed gruel laced with maggots.

They don’t think ALL of them should get the maggots, just the ones that exceeded the quota. It’s not like maggots grow on trees.

RBS

224 Charles Johnson  Jul 31, 2014 5:22:00pm
225 Charles Johnson  Jul 31, 2014 5:22:24pm
226 jaunte  Jul 31, 2014 5:23:36pm
“A computer lab allows some internet access and email services but restricts social media.” kxan.com

MOAR FREE STUFF FOR CRIMINALS!!

227 Charles Johnson  Jul 31, 2014 5:25:45pm
228 jaunte  Jul 31, 2014 5:25:46pm
Linda Brandmiller, a San Antonio immigration attorney, described Karnes as a “detention center with a smiley face. From the outside, it looks like a high school. It doesn’t have the same prison-like exterior that most detention facilities have.

“But make no mistake, it is a prison.”
chron.com

229 GeneJockey  Jul 31, 2014 5:26:13pm

re: #226 jaunte

MOAR FREE STUFF FOR CRIMINALS!!

Remember, these are the same folks who think the poor aren’t REALLY poor because they have refrigerators and telephones.

230 Charles Johnson  Jul 31, 2014 5:27:14pm
231 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 31, 2014 5:27:29pm

Todd Starnes wants to put veterans to work picking produce & cleaning up meat processing facility.

232 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 31, 2014 5:28:09pm

re: #218 Charles Johnson

That “pay” for the “illegal aliens?”

$3.00 A DAY for four hours of work.

Apparently this asshole thinks these children should be thrown into work camps and fed gruel laced with maggots.

MAGGOTS IS FREE EXTRA PROTEINS PAID FOR WITH YOUR TAX DOLLARS!!!!!!!

233 ausador  Jul 31, 2014 5:28:21pm

re: #213 Charles Johnson

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They’re really working overtime drumming up xenophobic hatred at Gateway Pundit.

Flat screen T.V.s with cable for illegal aliens!!!!

CRTs with rabbit ears should be all they get!

In reality ICE said there would be one television in each 8 person room.

234 prairiefire  Jul 31, 2014 5:28:52pm

re: #205 wrenchwench

Or send their kid to a summer camp like that.

They would probably be more likely to subject their kids.

235 wrenchwench  Jul 31, 2014 5:29:39pm

re: #231 Pie-onist Overlord

Todd Starnes wants to put veterans to work picking produce & cleaning up meat processing facility.

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Veterans need a permit to work? Starnes is from another planet.

236 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 31, 2014 5:29:43pm

And now TCOT is spamming Kristinn’s bullshit everywhere

237 Charles Johnson  Jul 31, 2014 5:29:46pm
238 jaunte  Jul 31, 2014 5:29:52pm
239 prairiefire  Jul 31, 2014 5:32:23pm

re: #216 dog philosopher

in a very real way they are attempting to set outer wingnuttia on fire and hurl it at the election

You got a girlfriend, bra? Scientific proof that’s good for you.

240 b_sharp  Jul 31, 2014 5:32:58pm

re: #235 wrenchwench

Veterans need a permit to work? Starnes is from another planet.

He thinks he’s being smrt.

241 Stanley Sea  Jul 31, 2014 5:33:09pm

I have never seen so much hate against children.

There’s going to be some flashy karma as a result. I hope.

242 jaunte  Jul 31, 2014 5:33:18pm

Karnes Correctional Center.
The latest right wing “Luxury Resort.”

243 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jul 31, 2014 5:34:23pm

re: #235 wrenchwench

Veterans need a permit to work? Starnes is from another planet.

Either that, or he just proposed deporting the vets to Mexico.///

244 dog philosopher  Jul 31, 2014 5:34:58pm

re: #227 Charles Johnson

We’re not like that. It’s another lefty lie to dehumanize opposition to the left

aaand the psychological term for that is ‘denial’

245 Shiplord Kirel  Jul 31, 2014 5:37:01pm

246 Stanley Sea  Jul 31, 2014 5:37:09pm

For WW

247 GeneJockey  Jul 31, 2014 5:38:41pm

re: #233 ausador

Flat screen T.V.s with cable for illegal aliens!!!!

CRTs with rabbit ears should be all they get!

In reality ICE said there would be one television in each 8 person room.

That’s not the point. The point is to MENTION cable TV and food, medical, and dental, and get the wingnuts imagining this is all like a fully comped weekend in Vegas, and not a cut above prison.

You give them food, because you can’t reasonably starve them. You give them healthy food, because it’s cheaper in the long run when they don’t get sick as much.

You give them medical and dental because A) they’re in our care, and B) you don’t want disease running rampant through the population.

You give them Television, because they have to spend their time somehow, and distraction is better than destruction.

You give them computers with internet access because that’s how news is transmitted these days.

Mostly you provide these things because these people are in our care, and we are legally prohibited from simply chucking them back over the border, and it’s not against the law to seek asylum.

And if they can’t see that, it’s because they’re a bunch of xenophobic sadists.

248 Stanley Sea  Jul 31, 2014 5:39:23pm
249 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 31, 2014 5:42:43pm
250 Charles Johnson  Jul 31, 2014 5:44:00pm

Man, I hate to do two Gateway Pundit posts in one day, but good fucking grief, this one is ugly.

251 Charles Johnson  Jul 31, 2014 5:48:42pm
252 Mentis Fugit  Jul 31, 2014 5:49:06pm

re: #132 Targetpractice

Monsters from the Id.

Male monsters?
Youtube Video
Lyrics

253 Stanley Sea  Jul 31, 2014 5:49:15pm

Frisk him before letting him enter.

254 Charles Johnson  Jul 31, 2014 5:50:08pm
255 jaunte  Jul 31, 2014 5:50:47pm
256 klys  Jul 31, 2014 5:50:49pm

re: #254 Charles Johnson

Has he booked his stay yet?

257 Franklin Brewsevelt  Jul 31, 2014 5:50:51pm

Soccer, Basketball AND gym???? WTF!! We are going to let these kids run around on the taxpayers dime!!!

258 jaunte  Jul 31, 2014 5:51:58pm
all you can eat meals

If he had to eat those meals for two weeks, he’d think it was torture.

259 Lidane  Jul 31, 2014 5:52:02pm

re: #107 Charles Johnson

Idris Elba, LGF hipster. He was flipping desks before it was cool.

260 ausador  Jul 31, 2014 5:53:38pm

Funny how Kristinn Taylor calls it a “beauty parlor” in his article and then further down cites his source for this as…

My San Antonio reported the facility will also have a hair salon and flat screen TVs for the illegal aliens.

Which by the way is a “page not found” link.

So looking on My San Antonio I found the article to which he is obviously referring…
mysanantonio.com

Which says not one word about either a beauty parlor or a hair salon*.

It is a detention facility which means that, YES, it will have a barber area to cut peoples hair, they all do. But calling it a beauty parlor or even a hair salon is just a baldfaced lie.

*Edit: My San Antonio does say hair salon in the first paragraph, sorry, I missed it while searching farther down the article where all the other descriptive stuff about the facility is. I’ll bet good money that it is nothing more than a good old fashioned womens prison barber shop though.

261 Romantic Heretic  Jul 31, 2014 5:53:59pm

re: #210 Pie-onist Overlord

[Embedded image]

It’s more than that. As the article I linked to a couple of days ago noted, the people calling themselves conservatives regard capitalism as an ethical system, one that picks winners and losers.

However, cognitive linguist Anat Shenker-Osorio, author of “Don’t Buy It: The Trouble With Talking Nonsense About the Economy,” told Salon there’s a very direct connection between social and economic conservatism, based on their moral outlook. Two things stand out about how conservatives talk about economy, Osorio said, based on several years of intensive observation and analysis. First is the “the tendency to compare it to something natural — a body or the weather or moving liquid,” she said. “But the other idea undergirding their worldview, and thus shaping perceptions of poverty, riches, inequality and desirable economic policy, is the idea that the economy exists for a specific purpose: to reward the good and punish the bad. It’s a moral arbiter; simply having great riches indicates you deserve them because the economy loves you the best. Thus, it follows that poor people deserve to be poor and we can know this because they’re poor.”

It’s, in my opinion, Calvinism dressed up in pseudo-economic language.

ETA: Oop. I just saw the picture and thought it was the original, non-satirical picture. My bad.

Point still stands though.

262 bratwurst  Jul 31, 2014 5:54:53pm

Wait, this is a GUY named Kristinn?!?!

Might be a “Boy Named Sue” thing going on with his mentality or something.

263 jaunte  Jul 31, 2014 5:55:38pm

re: #262 bratwurst

Prison nickname.

264 BeachDem  Jul 31, 2014 5:57:05pm

And “all you can eat” meals—does that mean they’re feeding them buffet-style? All you can eat of what exactly? And why would this be so distressing to the RWNJs?

Just talked to my RWNJ relative, who, of course, thinks they should just “turn all 100,000 of them around at the border” and thinks things are just terrible, except for the stock market, and it’s welfare cheats (and,of course, Obama) that are ruining the country and that Mitt should be the Rep. candidate in 2016, and Scott Brown isn’t dumb, but he is boring, and Elizabeth Warren is a phony and a liar, and on and on.

He did admit that his team has nobody to run in 2016, other than his hero, Mitt—who he thinks is a truly brilliant man and would be an exceptional president.

And now I am going to go drink mass quantities of amber-colored liquid to recover from that conversation.

265 Lidane  Jul 31, 2014 5:57:14pm

Rick Perry haz a sad:

No bill = no feds paying Rick Perry for mobilizing the National Guard. He’d actually have to justify spending millions for no goddamn reason if the House doesn’t pass anything.

266 GeneJockey  Jul 31, 2014 5:58:04pm

re: #261 Romantic Heretic

It’s more than that. As the article I linked to a couple of days ago noted, the people calling themselves conservatives regard capitalism as an ethical system, one that picks winners and losers.

It’s, in my opinion, Calvinism dressed up in pseudo-economic language.

it is a self-justifying belief system. It justifies selfishness and loathing those less fortunate than yourself, because it allows you to think of them not as less fortunate, but rather as less deserving.

267 jaunte  Jul 31, 2014 5:58:45pm

re: #265 Lidane
“My plan was to waste the Nation’s money, not the State’s!!”

268 GeneJockey  Jul 31, 2014 5:59:11pm

re: #267 jaunte

“My plan was to waste the Nation’s money, not the State’s!!”

Yeah, shit, if he did that he’d have to raise taxes.

269 RealityBasedSteve  Jul 31, 2014 5:59:13pm

and I don’t know about you, but the last time I went to the store to look at TV’s I don’t recall seeing a whole lot of CRT ones. Pretty much everything out there is a flat panel now.

Technology changes. Deal with it.

RBS

270 EPR-radar  Jul 31, 2014 5:59:50pm

re: #264 BeachDem

And “all you can eat” meals—does that mean they’re feeding them buffet-style? All you can eat of what exactly? And why would this be so distressing to the RWNJs?

Just talked to my RWNJ relative, who, of course, thinks they should just “turn all 100,000 of them around at the border” and thinks things are just terrible, except for the stock market, and it’s welfare cheats (and,of course, Obama) that are ruining the country and that Mitt should be the Rep. candidate in 2016, and Scott Brown isn’t dumb, but he is boring, and Elizabeth Warren is a phony and a liar, and on and on.

He did admit that his team has nobody to run in 2016, other than his hero, Mitt—who he thinks is a truly brilliant man and would be an exceptional president.

And now I am going to go drink mass quantities of amber-colored liquid to recover from that conversation.

One sad part about this is that your RWNJ relative is relatively sane (for a RWNJ). The Bachmann supporters may no longer be capable of communicating with others.

271 jaunte  Jul 31, 2014 6:00:04pm

re: #269 RealityBasedSteve

I hear they’re even giving them flush toilets.

272 wrenchwench  Jul 31, 2014 6:01:05pm

re: #271 jaunte

I hear they’re even giving them flush toilets.

And special games in Spanish. [From your link above.]

273 sagehen  Jul 31, 2014 6:01:28pm

re: #255 jaunte

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I wonder how many of them are named Jesus?

274 EPR-radar  Jul 31, 2014 6:01:34pm

re: #271 jaunte

I hear they’re even giving them flush toilets.

Now they’re wasting food! It’s an outrage!!!!!

275 jaunte  Jul 31, 2014 6:01:44pm

Uno. IT’S THE FIRST DOMINO.

276 wrenchwench  Jul 31, 2014 6:06:10pm

BEAR

Later, lizards.

277 Charles Johnson  Jul 31, 2014 6:06:22pm
278 jaunte  Jul 31, 2014 6:08:31pm
279 Charles Johnson  Jul 31, 2014 6:10:11pm
280 Kragar  Jul 31, 2014 6:12:23pm

re: #237 Charles Johnson

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281 b_sharp  Jul 31, 2014 6:12:35pm

re: #276 wrenchwench

BEAR

Later, lizards.

Is he sniffing that bicycle seat?

Perv.

282 jaunte  Jul 31, 2014 6:15:05pm

re: #260 ausador

It is a detention facility which means that, YES, it will have a barber area to cut peoples hair, they all do. But calling it a beauty parlor or even a hair salon in just a baldfaced lie.

Swanky.

283 BeachDem  Jul 31, 2014 6:15:45pm

re: #279 Charles Johnson

What is his fucking problem with 3 meals a day? Gah—I really am reaching the end of my rope with these mean, selfish assholes.

284 jaunte  Jul 31, 2014 6:18:09pm

No, they’re not free to leave.

285 RealityBasedSteve  Jul 31, 2014 6:19:49pm

re: #282 jaunte

[Embedded image]

Swanky.

OMG!!! and they have a Commissary? Obama is busy killing our veterans, and giving commissaries to illegal invaders?

286 EPR-radar  Jul 31, 2014 6:19:51pm

re: #283 BeachDem

What is his fucking problem with 3 meals a day? Gah—I really am reaching the end of my rope with these mean, selfish assholes.

Pretty much all of this RWNJ crap we’re seeing these days is inevitable once “greed is good” and the prosperity gospel (i.e., Calvinism for the 21st century) is accepted.

I predict the next 10-20 years will see blatant social darwinism in the US hard right, as well as the start of their campaign to rehabilitate eugenics.

287 TedStriker  Jul 31, 2014 6:20:21pm

re: #275 jaunte

Uno. IT’S THE FIRST DOMINO.

Youtube Video

(NSFW)

288 jaunte  Jul 31, 2014 6:21:58pm

WaPo: (October 15, 2013)

In the past five years, Homeland Security officials have jailed record numbers of immigrants, driven by a little-known congressional directive known on Capitol Hill as the “bed mandate.”

The policy requires U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement, or ICE, to keep an average of 34,000 detainees per day in its custody, a quota that has steadily risen since it was established in 2006 by conservative lawmakers who insisted that the agency wasn’t doing enough to deport unlawful immigrants.
…………
Some of the additional money provided by Congress will be spent filling beds at places such as Karnes County Civil Detention Center, which opened in Texas last year. It holds more than 600 detainees. The low-security facility was built and operated on the government’s behalf by a private contractor, the GEO Group.

Congress’s expanding detention goals have been a boon to the contractors, especially Florida-based GEO Group and Tennessee-based Corrections Corporation of America. The two companies have won hundreds of millions of dollars’ worth of ICE contracts in recent years while lobbying Congress on immigration enforcement issues.
concordmonitor.com

289 Kragar  Jul 31, 2014 6:24:22pm

re: #288 jaunte

WaPo: (October 15, 2013)

Just another privatization scandal waiting to happen.

“We spent all this money on these facilities. We need to keep them full to get a return on our investment.”

290 Gus  Jul 31, 2014 6:24:41pm
291 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 31, 2014 6:24:46pm

re: #261 Romantic Heretic

It’s more than that. As the article I linked to a couple of days ago noted, the people calling themselves conservatives regard capitalism as an ethical system, one that picks winners and losers.

It’s, in my opinion, Calvinism dressed up in pseudo-economic language.

ETA: Oop. I just saw the picture and thought it was the original, non-satirical picture. My bad.

Point still stands though.

I Tweet the parody meme every time I see a reTweet of the “You should pay for all your stuff, because I’m an adult”

Hopefully my spoof meme will enter the Twitstream and get mistaken for the original and a bunch of wingnuts will get pwn3d.

292 austin_blue  Jul 31, 2014 6:24:49pm

re: #218 Charles Johnson

That “pay” for the “illegal aliens?”

$3.00 A DAY for four hours of work.

Apparently this asshole thinks these children should be thrown into work camps and fed gruel laced with maggots.

Maggots are extra. Protein ain’t cheap!

293 jaunte  Jul 31, 2014 6:24:50pm

GEO Group board of directors:
geogroup.com

Julie M. Wood
Chief Executive Officer
of Guidepost Solutions

“Prior to founding ICS Consulting, LLC, Ms. Wood served as head of Immigration and Customs Enforcement for the Department of Homeland Security where she led the largest investigative component of the Department and the second largest investigative agency in the federal government with a budget of nearly $6 billion and 15,000 employees.”

294 EPR-radar  Jul 31, 2014 6:24:59pm

re: #288 jaunte

Just fucking wonderful. The prison-industrial complex is extending its contemptible business to immigration.

More “blessings” of the free market. ///dripping

295 RealityBasedSteve  Jul 31, 2014 6:27:51pm

re: #288 jaunte
Congress’s expanding detention goals have been a boon to the contractors, especially Florida-based GEO Group and Tennessee-based Corrections Corporation of America. The two companies have won hundreds of millions of dollars’ worth of ICE contracts in recent years while lobbying Congress on immigration enforcement issues.
concordmonitor.com

WaPo: (October 15, 2013)

I have a very bad feeling about a lot of the privatization of govt services going on, and especially about prisons.

RBS

296 jaunte  Jul 31, 2014 6:28:29pm

We seem to be reliving the 1880s.

297 gwangung  Jul 31, 2014 6:29:13pm

re: #290 Gus

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Hm. Stepping on Special Olympics kids would seem to be poor optics, as well.

298 Kragar  Jul 31, 2014 6:29:41pm

Next up, GOP sponsored Debtor’s Prisons

299 Decatur Deb  Jul 31, 2014 6:31:23pm

re: #265 Lidane

Rick Perry haz a sad:

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No bill = no feds paying Rick Perry for mobilizing the National Guard. He’d actually have to justify spending millions for no goddamn reason if the House doesn’t pass anything.

Governor Neidermeyer is about to find out how expensive a military deployment really is. A captain on one of the Reforger exercises explained it:

“I was put in charge of garbage collection, and was really bummed until I found out I had a 10 million dollar budget.”

300 austin_blue  Jul 31, 2014 6:31:34pm

re: #298 Kragar

Next up, GOP sponsored Debtor’s Prisons

It’s a Progressive Idea in the new ‘Murka.

301 Interesting Times  Jul 31, 2014 6:31:40pm

re: #296 jaunte

We seem to be reliving the 1880s.

Feature, not bug!!1! No income taxes and we traveled on FREEDOM ROADS instead of socialist interstates!!1!1!!

302 b.d.  Jul 31, 2014 6:32:26pm

Are there no prisons?
Are there no workhouses?

YOU CALL THOSE PRISONS AND WORKHOUSES!?!? THEY’RE MORE LIKE A DAY SPA AT THE FOUR SEASONS!!!!

303 BeachDem  Jul 31, 2014 6:33:30pm

I think they’d like to see a real-life version of “The Hunger Games.” Problem is, they all envision themselves as denizens of the Capital, when, in fact, they’d be from the outlying districts. (And may the odds be ever in their favor.)

304 jaunte  Jul 31, 2014 6:35:18pm

Tools like KristinnFR helps distract the fearful right wing base while people that run organizations like the GEO Group are rigging the game to line their pockets.

305 Higgs Boson's Mate  Jul 31, 2014 6:35:19pm

re: #279 Charles Johnson

Wonder what motivates Kristinn to strive so hard to be a part of a movement that has less regard for people of color than it does for a dirty sock.

306 Charles Johnson  Jul 31, 2014 6:37:54pm
307 Gus  Jul 31, 2014 6:38:09pm
308 b_sharp  Jul 31, 2014 6:40:55pm

re: #306 Charles Johnson

[Embedded content]

Are these kids illegals or refugees?

309 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 31, 2014 6:41:27pm

They haven’t stopped fapping this bullshit:

310 BongCrodny  Jul 31, 2014 6:41:35pm

Apparently, it won’t be a facility of their liking until all the guards are like Percy Wetmore.

311 Mattand  Jul 31, 2014 6:43:27pm

re: #207 TedStriker

I probably shouldn’t be laughing at this, but I just can’t help it:

Ars Technica: Trolls bring down the launch of conservative social network “Reaganbook”

Here, I ran across a comment from ‘mattand’ (I wonder, seeing as that doesn’t seem to be a common handle, if that’s our ‘mattand’) that had me rolling:

The real question is how do you secure a public site when the vast majority of computer people support your opponent?

Seriously, I live in one of the reddest states in the country, and out of every single sysadmin and programmer I know in the area, only one isn’t a Democrat. (She’s an independent.)

Yeah, I know what you mean. I was at a Sooper Sekrit Liberal Dem Sysadmin meeting where they re-affirmed their vow to destroy all conservative internet sites ever. Because that’s what they do.

We then beat a piñata shaped like Reagan until welfare checks fell out.

Yeah, that was me, in a rare instance of wit.

312 RealityBasedSteve  Jul 31, 2014 6:45:59pm

put them in chain gangs, put them to work building a fence and let them eat whatever they find along the side of the road. If you work them hard enough they will be glad for a chance to sleep on the ground. Once they find some cardboard, they can make a house just like they had back home.

RBS

313 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 31, 2014 6:46:19pm

re: #311 Mattand

We then beat a piñata shaped like Reagan until welfare checks fell out.

I love that! So stealing it.

314 jaunte  Jul 31, 2014 6:46:37pm
In December 2010, The GEO Group, Inc. (GEO) was selected by Karnes County, Texas to design, build, finance, and manage a new detention facility under an intergovernmental service agreement with Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE). Inmate intake began March 21, 2012.
……………
Under contract with the Karnes County, GEO provides the secure care, custody, and control for Immigration and Customs Enforcement detainees under an intergovernmental service agreement with the County. GEO provides detainees with necessary programming, medical care, recreation, visitation facilities for attorney meetings, and a teleconferencing room for video court hearings.
geogroup.com
315 RealityBasedSteve  Jul 31, 2014 6:47:11pm

re: #313 Pie-onist Overlord

I love that! So stealing it.

Pie-onist Overlord,,,, is there a pie pic coming later tonight?

RBS

316 b_sharp  Jul 31, 2014 6:48:12pm

re: #315 RealityBasedSteve

Pie-onist Overlord,,,, is there a pie pic coming later tonight?

RBS

There had better be!

317 b.d.  Jul 31, 2014 6:48:34pm

DON’T ALINSKY ME BRO!

318 Charles Johnson  Jul 31, 2014 6:49:30pm
319 Charles Johnson  Jul 31, 2014 6:49:46pm
320 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 31, 2014 6:50:03pm

re: #315 RealityBasedSteve

Pie-onist Overlord,,,, is there a pie pic coming later tonight?

RBS

Tomorrow. :)

I’m thinking vanilla cream with fresh raspberries & blackberries. Have not decided if vegan or with eggs. Last time I attempted a vegan cream pie, came out like a piece of rubber.

321 RealityBasedSteve  Jul 31, 2014 6:50:41pm

re: #320 Pie-onist Overlord

Tomorrow. :)

I’m thinking vanilla cream with fresh raspberries & blackberries. Have not decided if vegan or with eggs. Last time I attempted a vegan cream pie, came out like a piece of rubber.

ok, because I’ve composed a special limerick for when you post it.

RBS

322 b.d.  Jul 31, 2014 6:52:34pm

re: #319 Charles Johnson

[Embedded content]

As long as you don’t get Ghomerted you’ll be ok.

323 b.d.  Jul 31, 2014 6:53:19pm

re: #322 b.d.

As long as you don’t get Ghomerted you’ll be ok.

Gohmerted, that is.

324 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 31, 2014 6:54:06pm

re: #321 RealityBasedSteve

ok, because I’ve composed a special limerick for when you post it.

RBS

That will be awesome!
Though I am more a haiku
Person when I bake

325 jaunte  Jul 31, 2014 6:54:23pm

Ghomertbusters

326 dog philosopher  Jul 31, 2014 6:55:01pm

alinsky

if only progressives had studied and practiced his methods one tenth as much as wingnuts do

327 b.d.  Jul 31, 2014 6:55:23pm

Would you rather be Gohmerted or Bachmannized?

328 austin_blue  Jul 31, 2014 6:55:53pm

I remember back in the Bad Old Days at LGF when a, mostly, Israeli cohort of Lizards supported the idea of “Transport”, in which Palestinians would would be forcibly chucked out of Judea. One such proponent was Ben Hur, who, when it was pointed out that this sounded a lot like ethnic cleansing, didn’t take it well.

The people barking about these women and kids are not much different.

Let’s do a thought experiment: What would happen if these women and children *were* forcibly repatriated to their home countries. Would these people STFU and STFD? Would GeoGroup enjoy their contracts being cancelled and having to lay off their staff because they had been made redundant?

And would the gaspers then suggest that those facilities be filled with Queers and Atheists as next steps? These are not rational thinking humans.

329 gwangung  Jul 31, 2014 6:55:57pm

re: #327 b.d.

Would you rather be Gohmerted or Bachmannized?

Ewwwww.

330 Dave In Austin  Jul 31, 2014 6:58:00pm

re: #327 b.d.

Would you rather be Gohmerted or Bachmannized?

I wonder if that entails using a Boehner????

331 Eventual Carrion  Jul 31, 2014 6:58:49pm

re: #235 wrenchwench

Veterans need a permit to work? Starnes is from another planet.

He doesn’t like to think before he speaks or types. He likes to be surprised just like everyone else.

332 bubba zanetti  Jul 31, 2014 6:59:19pm

re: #309 Pie-onist Overlord

They haven’t stopped fapping this bullshit:

[Embedded content]

Why is Pedro from “Napoleon Dynamite” in that photo?

333 austin_blue  Jul 31, 2014 7:00:15pm

re: #332 bubba zanetti

Why is Pedro from “Napoleon Dynamite” in that photo?

So that all your dreams, will come true.

334 Decatur Deb  Jul 31, 2014 7:01:12pm

re: #327 b.d.

Would you rather be Gohmerted or Bachmannized?

Just don’t imPalin me, bro.

335 Joanne  Jul 31, 2014 7:03:33pm

re: #320 Pie-onist Overlord

Tomorrow. :)

I’m thinking vanilla cream with fresh raspberries & blackberries. Have not decided if vegan or with eggs. Last time I attempted a vegan cream pie, came out like a piece of rubber.

I have to admit…the recipe ingredients weren’t anywhere near as appealing as the photo. But it’s hard to make a fresh fruit pie *look* bad. I’m voting for eggs. FWIW.

336 Joanne  Jul 31, 2014 7:04:27pm

re: #326 dog philosopher

alinsky

if only progressives had studied and practiced his methods one tenth as much as wingnuts do

Hubby’s read Alinsky and that’s exactly what he says.

337 RealityBasedSteve  Jul 31, 2014 7:05:16pm

re: #332 bubba zanetti

Why is Pedro from “Napoleon Dynamite” in that photo?

Because he has a sweet sweet bike.

RBS

338 jaunte  Jul 31, 2014 7:05:24pm

re: #326 dog philosopher

alinsky

if only progressives had studied and practiced his methods one tenth as much as wingnuts do

He drew the map, but they live on the territory.

339 BeachDem  Jul 31, 2014 7:08:08pm

re: #331 Eventual Carrion

That is hilarious. Thanks for the laugh. (I needed it.)

340 Gus  Jul 31, 2014 7:08:44pm
341 jaunte  Jul 31, 2014 7:10:11pm

re: #340 Gus

I guess we shouldn’t be surprised that Cruz’ spokesperson is triggerhappy.

342 Gus  Jul 31, 2014 7:10:40pm

re: #341 jaunte

I guess we shouldn’t be surprised that Cruz’ spokesperson is triggerhappy.

Cruz Control? //

343 Decatur Deb  Jul 31, 2014 7:10:52pm

re: #341 jaunte

I guess we shouldn’t be surprised that Cruz’ spokesperson is triggerhappy.

With any luck, some of the Special Olympics kids will be undocumented.

344 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 31, 2014 7:11:16pm
345 jaunte  Jul 31, 2014 7:11:36pm

When the Klan is on your side, it’s past time to reconsider.

346 sagehen  Jul 31, 2014 7:14:36pm

re: #303 BeachDem

I think they’d like to see a real-life version of “The Hunger Games.” Problem is, they all envision themselves as denizens of the Capital, when, in fact, they’d be from the outlying districts. (And may the odds be ever in their favor.)

ah, c’mon, you know they’d be district 2.

347 ausador  Jul 31, 2014 7:17:09pm

re: #332 bubba zanetti

Why is Pedro from “Napoleon Dynamite” in that photo?

Because if they showed a young kid instead of a older guy with a mustache people might (horrors!) empathize with the kid.

348 jaunte  Jul 31, 2014 7:17:15pm

349 Decatur Deb  Jul 31, 2014 7:20:29pm

re: #348 jaunte

[Embedded image]

Is that the wizard who fought the Balrog? Cool.

350 Stanley Sea  Jul 31, 2014 7:21:23pm

re: #340 Gus

And… deleted. I saved these earlier.

Amanda Carpenter Tweet Screenshot A
[Embedded image]Amanda Carpenter Tweet Screenshot B

Fucking freak

351 Bubblehead II  Jul 31, 2014 7:24:17pm

Night Lizards.

352 Mike Lamb  Jul 31, 2014 7:27:55pm

re: #340 Gus

And… deleted. I saved these earlier.

Amanda Carpenter Tweet Screenshot A
[Embedded image]Amanda Carpenter Tweet Screenshot B

She misspelled FUBAR’ed…

353 abolitionist  Jul 31, 2014 9:56:24pm

re: #92 darthstar

I just hacked into my computer and now I’m posting a message online with a dirty word in it…fuck!

You’ve likely just gotten yourself automatically added to several dozen more US government databases. Probably would be more if you had also claimed to be the system admin of your own computer network. Sleep well.

354 1Peter G1  Aug 1, 2014 8:49:30am

re: #8 Charles Johnson

Here’s some more details. The supposed spying consisted principally of logging who was accessing what documents on these computers. Anybody remember that guy Snowden? The authority to decide what if anything to make public on the report on torture or anything else, resides with congress and not individual staffers who might be tempted to pull a Snowden. The CIA should have told them in advance what they were being logged.


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