President Obama Denounces Torture, Right Wingers Go Loony Tunes

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In his press conference today, President Obama said, “After 9/11… we tortured some folks. We did some things that were contrary to our values.”

And you can just imagine the reaction from conservatives to that. Well, actually, no need to imagine. Here’s a representative tweet from Ted Cruz’s senior communications advisor.

And of course, that’s just the tip of the crazyberg that is the conservative movement. I’ve been blocking and muting people on Twitter for the past hour, many of them self-professed “Christians” like these:

UPDATE at 8/1/14 2:02:27 pm by Charles Johnson

Obama’s statement on torture wasn’t really news; in May 2013 he said pretty much the same thing: Remarks by the President at the National Defense University | the White House.

Meanwhile, we strengthened our defenses — hardening targets, tightening transportation security, giving law enforcement new tools to prevent terror.  Most of these changes were sound.  Some caused inconvenience.  But some, like expanded surveillance, raised difficult questions about the balance that we strike between our interests in security and our values of privacy.  And in some cases, I believe we compromised our basic values — by using torture to interrogate our enemies, and detaining individuals in a way that ran counter to the rule of law.

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1 Bulworth  Aug 1, 2014 1:40:13pm

Oh, that’s right. Torturing “terrorists” was OK, even though we didn’t torture. /

2 Bulworth  Aug 1, 2014 1:42:14pm

I can’t wait for the next time when torture-embracing wingnuts lecture us about moral absolutes.

3 RealityBasedSteve  Aug 1, 2014 1:42:58pm

re: #1 Bulworth

Oh, that’s right. Torturing “terrorists” was OK, even though we didn’t torture. /

yes. because if they are terrorists then they are outside the law, and legal protections don’t apply. forget for a moment that actually applies to torturers, not their victims.
RBS

4 Aunty Entity Dragon  Aug 1, 2014 1:43:30pm
5 Aunty Entity Dragon  Aug 1, 2014 1:44:32pm
6 nines09  Aug 1, 2014 1:45:04pm

Amanda is quite the piece of brilliance. But then again facts are not important to the GOP/TP. Facts are tricky and can upset a carefully made up fantasy world in which Amanda seems to live in along with her boss and just about every other GOP/TP buffoon I can think of.

7 Frenchy  Aug 1, 2014 1:45:16pm

Miss Carpenter is on quite the roll the last couple of days, isn’t she?

8 sagehen  Aug 1, 2014 1:45:43pm
Islam kills people for no reason.

Whereas Christianity always has a reason. Like, um… because they’re gay.

9 makeitstop  Aug 1, 2014 1:45:50pm

I’m still kind of upset that she mentioned me by name in that tweet.
/

10 Targetpractice  Aug 1, 2014 1:47:52pm

re: #1 Bulworth

Oh, that’s right. Torturing “terrorists” was OK, even though we didn’t torture. /

We don’t torture people, just terrorists, because they don’t count as people.

////

Should remember this the next time some dumbshit tries to lecture me on abortion by pulling a Godwin.

11 Bulworth  Aug 1, 2014 1:49:12pm

re:
#8

That’s right. Very good reasons. Like if they translated the Holy Scriptures into a common tongue. Or if they disagree about the doctine of the Trinity. //

12 Bulworth  Aug 1, 2014 1:49:46pm

re:
#9

I, too, found that very offensive, on your behalf.

13 Charles Johnson  Aug 1, 2014 1:50:14pm

A lot of leftists are also losing their shit over this statement. I’m seeing people demanding that Obama immediately start investigating and prosecuting somebody, and of course… DRONES.

14 klys  Aug 1, 2014 1:50:46pm

In the discussion about cell phone photo locations without GPS, I have discovered that it can be really scarily accurate (tested geotagging on photos from my phone without GPS turned on). This is a public service announcement to those of you with smart phones to be aware of whether geotagging is turned on for your photos (Google makes it really easy to turn on and off) and whether you want that information out there.

Alternately, be aware of what’s in the EXIF data for photos that you post on the Internet. Windows makes it very easy to remove this data if you want to (right click on file —> properties —> details —> remove properties and personal information).

15 b_sharp  Aug 1, 2014 1:51:05pm

Jesus is a prophet in Islam isn’t he? He’s also God so it would be hard to cut off his head when he could turn his captors into wine with just a nose wiggle.

16 bratwurst  Aug 1, 2014 1:51:18pm
17 RealityBasedSteve  Aug 1, 2014 1:52:03pm

re: #13 Charles Johnson

A lot of leftists are also losing their shit over this statement. I’m seeing people demanding that Obama immediately start investigating and prosecuting somebody, and of course… DRONES.

Coming Soon…. “Torture Drones”
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Oh wait, we already have that, it’s called “Listening to Anne Coulter talk”

rBS

18 Charles Johnson  Aug 1, 2014 1:52:05pm

re: #14 klys

In the discussion about cell phone photo locations without GPS, I have discovered that it can be really scarily accurate (tested geotagging on photos from my phone without GPS turned on). This is a public service announcement to those of you with smart phones to be aware of whether geotagging is turned on for your photos (Google makes it really easy to turn on and off) and whether you want that information out there.

Alternately, be aware of what’s in the EXIF data for photos that you post on the Internet. Windows makes it very easy to remove this data if you want to (right click on file —> properties —> details —> remove properties and personal information).

Metadata is automatically removed from any photos you upload to LGF.

19 Aunty Entity Dragon  Aug 1, 2014 1:52:26pm
20 Higgs Boson's Mate  Aug 1, 2014 1:52:42pm

re: #5 Aunty Entity Dragon

They aren’t concerned about the threat to US military personnel because right wing patriotism starts and ends at their mouths. They are notoriously averse to, you know, actually serving.

21 klys  Aug 1, 2014 1:52:57pm

re: #18 Charles Johnson

Metadata is automatically removed from any photos you upload to LGF.

Good to know. I’ve been making clean copies anyway before I upload. (Now you all know why my filenames say “copy” in them.)

It helps me keep track of what I’ve posted too, since I generally do it right before.

22 RealityBasedSteve  Aug 1, 2014 1:53:12pm

re: #14 klys

In the discussion about cell phone photo locations without GPS, I have discovered that it can be really scarily accurate (tested geotagging on photos from my phone without GPS turned on). This is a public service announcement to those of you with smart phones to be aware of whether geotagging is turned on for your photos (Google makes it really easy to turn on and off) and whether you want that information out there.

Alternately, be aware of what’s in the EXIF data for photos that you post on the Internet. Windows makes it very easy to remove this data if you want to (right click on file —> properties —> details —> remove properties and personal information).

At at least an Android phone can also do a very precise job just from wifi points, even if you’re not connected. Apparently they are well mapped in many cases.

RBS

23 sagehen  Aug 1, 2014 1:53:33pm

re: #14 klys

I took some photos of my new stove and window shades to send to my sister… they’re tagged with MY EXACT ADDRESS!! What BUILDING those pics were taken in.

24 klys  Aug 1, 2014 1:54:16pm

re: #23 sagehen

I took some photos of my new stove and window shades to send to my sister… they’re tagged with MY EXACT ADDRESS!! What BUILDING those pics were taken in.

I keep geotagging turned off on mine. Had to figure out how to turn it on again to test to see if it would write coordinates without the GPS being turned on.

25 Kragar  Aug 1, 2014 1:55:29pm

Apparently “American exceptionalism” means embracing barbaric practices.

We’re better than that.

26 Aunty Entity Dragon  Aug 1, 2014 1:56:28pm

re: #13 Charles Johnson

A lot of leftists are also losing their shit over this statement. I’m seeing people demanding that Obama immediately start investigating and prosecuting somebody, and of course… DRONES.

Prosecution of war crimes under Bush would have destroyed his presidency, and possibly destroyed the country.

I do not believe for one minute that our democracy in this tea party age would have survived any such investigation intact and unharmed. At the very least, it would have mandated that the next GOP president would immediately move to investigate and prosecute every surviving democrat that preceeded him in office, and it would have broken what is left of our Constitutional checks and balances between the executive, the judiciary and the legislature.

27 team_fukit  Aug 1, 2014 1:57:11pm

Tortured some “folks”: I think Khalid El-Masri, the innocent guy Macedonian police handed over to the CIA to be taken to a black site qualifies as “folks.”

i think it would be awesome if someone could build an Obama robot or do a “bad-lip reading” dub of Obama saying all the things right wingers complain about him not saying

28 EPR-radar  Aug 1, 2014 1:57:22pm

re: #13 Charles Johnson

A lot of leftists are also losing their shit over this statement. I’m seeing people demanding that Obama immediately start investigating and prosecuting somebody, and of course… DRONES.

Acknowledging that the US tortured is a step in the right direction. Prosecution of the torturers is a logical next step. War crimes like torture tend to not have statutes of limitations.

IMO it is politically impossible, mainly because there isn’t enough pressure on the Democrats from the public to do the right thing.

29 Charles Johnson  Aug 1, 2014 1:58:12pm

re: #21 klys

Good to know. I’ve been making clean copies anyway before I upload. (Now you all know why my filenames say “copy” in them.)

It helps me keep track of what I’ve posted too, since I generally do it right before.

Yes - uploaded images are processed through the Linux “jpegtran” tool, to strip out metadata and all other unnecessary headers, and also to convert them to “progressive” jpg format to make them as small as possible without losing any image data.

30 b_sharp  Aug 1, 2014 1:58:26pm

re: #25 Kragar

Apparently “American exceptionalism” means embracing barbaric practices.

We’re better than that.

American exceptionalism means even when the US does embrace barbaric practices, those practices are no longer barbaric because they’ve been washed clean by righteousness.

It’s only when others practice them that they are barbaric.

31 Aunty Entity Dragon  Aug 1, 2014 1:58:58pm

re: #25 Kragar

Apparently “American exceptionalism” means embracing barbaric practices.

We’re better than that.

No, we are not.

Human nature is universal. Anyone saying otherwise is selling something.

We used to have laws in place to blunt those darker parts of our nature, both in law enforcement and in war, but those have largely been discarded or ignored in recent years.

32 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Aug 1, 2014 1:59:06pm

re: #25 Kragar

Apparently “American exceptionalism” means embracing barbaric practices.

We’re better than that.

Are we?

33 klys  Aug 1, 2014 2:00:21pm

re: #29 Charles Johnson

Yes - uploaded images are processed through the Linux “jpegtran” tool, to strip out metadata and all other unnecessary headers, and also to convert them to “progressive” jpg format to make them as small as possible without losing any image data.

Still good practice for folks to be aware of what data is potentially contained in things they upload, since most webhosts aren’t as good about security and best practices as you are. And especially what photo geotagging opens one up to.

And other practices on social media like posting all about your vacation on Facebook while it is in progress so that people know you’re not home in case they want to break in.

Ahem. Common sense seems to run away from a lot of folks when it comes to social media.

34 Charles Johnson  Aug 1, 2014 2:00:37pm

Obama’s statement wasn’t really new, folks.

35 b_sharp  Aug 1, 2014 2:01:40pm

re: #31 Aunty Entity Dragon

No, we are not.

Human nature is universal. Anyone saying otherwise is selling something.

We used to have laws in place to blunt those darker parts of our nature, both in law enforcement and in war, but those have largely been discarded or ignored in recent years.

The Better Angels of our Nature - Steven Pinker

36 Randall Gross  Aug 1, 2014 2:03:27pm

Charles:

I’m trying to edit the last page I posted to correct a Youtube embed, clicking edit takes me to main page in Chrome.

37 dog philosopher  Aug 1, 2014 2:11:29pm

o.t.

so im looking at the spectrum analyzer display code here and the class name for the data panel itself is “BartHead”. i conclude that ‘bart head panel’ is a technical term from the signal processing domain im working in here

however, it turns out that the name comes from the characteristic profile of the spectrum analyzer data for this domain

WHICH LOOKS LIKE BART SIMPSON’S HEAD

38 Aunty Entity Dragon  Aug 1, 2014 2:12:40pm

re: #35 b_sharp

The Better Angels of our Nature - Steven Pinker

I have heard about his book, and I think he is wrong (modern weapons and state social controls have made for levels of killing that were unimaginable in 1500. See the Ukrainian famine under Stalin, various 20th century genocides, entire cities fire bombed in one night etc. Even if person on person violence has declined somewhat, which is debated, state violence has reached levels never dreamed of), but then, I’m a Hobbesian pessimist.

39 klys  Aug 1, 2014 2:12:45pm

re: #37 dog philosopher

o.t.

so im looking at the spectrum analyzer display code here and the class name for the data panel itself is “BartHead”. i conclude that ‘bart head panel’ is a technical term from the signal processing domain im working in here

however, it turns out that the name comes from the characteristic profile of the spectrum analyzer data for this domain

WHICH LOOKS LIKE BART SIMPSON’S HEAD

[Embedded image]

And people claim scientists and engineers have no senses of humor.

40 CuriousLurker  Aug 1, 2014 2:13:48pm

re: #15 b_sharp

Jesus is a prophet in Islam isn’t he?

Yes.

He’s also God so it would be hard to cut off his head when he could turn his captors into wine with just a nose wiggle.

In a nutshell: Not in Islam. Virgin birth, yes*; prophet/messiah & Second Coming, yes; God/demigod/son of God, absolutely not; crucified/died for our sins, no (nor is there any concept of original sin in Islam).

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*Mary holds a unique position in Islam. There is a whole chapter in the Qur’an named after her.

41 EPR-radar  Aug 1, 2014 2:13:52pm

re: #39 klys

And people claim scientists and engineers have no senses of humor.

“Bandpass filter” is much more entertaining than “BartHead”. ///

42 klys  Aug 1, 2014 2:14:50pm

re: #41 EPR-radar

“Bandpass filter” is much more entertaining than “BartHead”. ///

In a play on my dad’s initials, all the computers in the lab that he works in primarily are named after DC comic book heroes.

43 b_sharp  Aug 1, 2014 2:16:15pm

re: #38 Aunty Entity Dragon

I have heard about his book, and I think he is wrong (modern weapons and state social controls have made for levels of killing that were unimaginable in 1500. See the Ukrainian famine under Stalin, various 20th century genocides, entire cities fire bombed in one night etc. Even if person on person violence has declined somewhat, which is debated, state violence has reached levels never dreamed of), but then, I’m a Hobbesian pessimist.

He’s talking about more recent times than you are. Culture has changed, global violence now is less than it was mid 20th, even family violence is less accepted than it was in the ’60s.

44 EPR-radar  Aug 1, 2014 2:16:28pm

re: #42 klys

In a play on my dad’s initials, all the computers in the lab that he works in primarily are named after DC comic book heroes.

The best computer naming scheme I’ve personally seen was at a computer startup where the various machines were named after defunct computer companies.

45 Charles Johnson  Aug 1, 2014 2:17:37pm

re: #36 Randall Gross

Charles:

I’m trying to edit the last page I posted to correct a Youtube embed, clicking edit takes me to main page in Chrome.

Fixed it - somehow you deleted the “href” attribute from the tag, and that made our javascript code very unhappy.

46 klys  Aug 1, 2014 2:17:49pm

re: #44 EPR-radar

The best computer naming scheme I’ve personally seen was at a computer startup where the various machines were named after defunct computer companies.

We currently are favoring Japanese botanicals and hot springs here, although I have used favorite fandom characters in the past.

My lab was depressingly pragmatic.

47 CuriousLurker  Aug 1, 2014 2:19:36pm

re: #31 Aunty Entity Dragon

No, we are not.

Human nature is universal. Anyone saying otherwise is selling something.

We used to have laws in place to blunt those darker parts of our nature, both in law enforcement and in war, but those have largely been discarded or ignored in recent years.

I have to agree. Given the right conditions, any one of us is capable of both the best and the worst behavior humanity has to offer.

48 Lidane  Aug 1, 2014 2:19:47pm

re: #39 klys

And people claim scientists and engineers have no senses of humor.

Heh.

49 b_sharp  Aug 1, 2014 2:20:13pm

re: #46 klys

We currently are favoring Japanese botanicals and hot springs here, although I have used favorite fandom characters in the past.

My lab was depressingly pragmatic.

What’s wrong with calling your computer Bill?

50 Charles Johnson  Aug 1, 2014 2:21:21pm

Meanwhile, another stupid comment from Scahill:

The computers and the network they were accessing were owned by the CIA, so they couldn’t have “stolen” anything.

It was still wrong, but people like Scahill are deliberately distorting these kinds of issues to make the CIA look even worse.

51 klys  Aug 1, 2014 2:21:21pm

re: #49 b_sharp

What’s wrong with calling your computer Bill?

Nothing.

That would have been more creative.

52 dog philosopher  Aug 1, 2014 2:21:52pm

re: #41 EPR-radar

“Bandpass filter” is much more entertaining than “BartHead”. ///

not actually the result of a bandpass filter, but a signal from a transmission focused at a particular frequency

53 EPR-radar  Aug 1, 2014 2:22:09pm

re: #51 klys

Nothing.

That would have been more creative.

Was it really as bad as “host1”, “host2”, etc?

54 CuriousLurker  Aug 1, 2014 2:22:09pm

Back to the salt mines… *sigh*

55 Aunty Entity Dragon  Aug 1, 2014 2:22:51pm

re: #43 b_sharp

He’s talking about more recent times than you are. Culture has changed, global violence now is less than it was mid 20th, even family violence is less accepted than it was in the ’60s.

A couple of decades (in a small subsection of the entire world population)over 5000 years of recorded human history?

Not buying it. It’s like claiming 2mm of silt at the top of a 2000 ft deep sedimentary sequence really means something super important…just because.

I would have to see what his documentation is, but I have seen nothing anywhere to lead me to believe in an innate better nature that is improving.

What I see, time and time again, is the State of Nature and War as described by Hobbes whenever the veneer of civilization is stripped away:

“Whatsoever therefore is consequent to a time of Warre, where every man is Enemy to every man; the same is consequent to the time, wherein men live without other security, than what their own strength, and their own invention shall furnish them withall. In such condition, there is no place for Industry; because the fruit thereof is uncertain; and consequently no Culture of the Earth; no Navigation, nor use of the commodities that may be imported by Sea; no commodious Building; no Instruments of moving, and removing such things as require much force; no Knowledge of the face of the Earth; no account of Time; no Arts; no Letters; no Society; and which is worst of all, continuall feare, and danger of violent death; And the life of man, solitary, poore, nasty, brutish, and short.”

56 klys  Aug 1, 2014 2:23:44pm

re: #50 Charles Johnson

Meanwhile, another stupid comment from Scahill:

[Embedded content]

The computers and the network they were accessing were owned by the CIA, so they couldn’t have “stolen” anything.

It was still wrong, but people like Scahill are deliberately distorting these kinds of issues to make the CIA look even worse.

I’m just amazed that no one ever looked at this and wondered if there might be an ulterior motive for the CIA to be providing the computers and the network.

Social engineering has to be what gives our counter-intelligence folks the most nightmares.

57 Lidane  Aug 1, 2014 2:23:53pm

Sorry for the OT, but this is driving me crazy. Does anyone remember a short story/novel/Twilight Zone episode/wtf-ever where everyone in a family confesses some kind of dark secret to an exchange student they believe doesn’t speak English, but at the end they find out he’s been able to understand them all along?

I could swear I came across it a long time ago but I can’t remember anything specific about it.

58 dog philosopher  Aug 1, 2014 2:24:25pm

re: #52 dog philosopher

not actually the result of a bandpass filter, but a signal from a transmission focused at a particular frequency

actually no i take that back, since, although our output from xmissions can look a lot like that, the image itself was randomly taken offa the web

59 klys  Aug 1, 2014 2:24:37pm

re: #53 EPR-radar

Was it really as bad as “host1”, “host2”, etc?

Almost. MagnetManufacturer-letter.

60 GlutenFreeJesus  Aug 1, 2014 2:24:54pm

Every single one of those mental twits should be water boarded. Then let them come out and say it’s not torture.

61 Aunty Entity Dragon  Aug 1, 2014 2:26:26pm

re: #60 GlutenFreeJesus

Every single one of those mental twits should be water boarded. Then let them come out and say it’s not torture.

People who have tried it invariably call it torture.

62 EPR-radar  Aug 1, 2014 2:26:44pm

re: #55 Aunty Entity Dragon

I’m also inclined to agree with Hobbes. I expect some nasty resource wars to break out in the next few decades as we continue to fail to come to grips with AGW. It doesn’t help that the developed nations are short-sighted plutocracies or trending in that direction.

63 TedStriker  Aug 1, 2014 2:26:48pm

re: #44 EPR-radar

The best computer naming scheme I’ve personally seen was at a computer startup where the various machines were named after defunct computer companies.

“Feel the power of the Wang!!!”

///

64 Charles Johnson  Aug 1, 2014 2:27:44pm
65 Aunty Entity Dragon  Aug 1, 2014 2:29:37pm

re: #62 EPR-radar

I’m also inclined to agree with Hobbes. I expect some nasty resource wars to break out in the next few decades as we continue to fail to come to grips with AGW. It doesn’t help that the developed nations are short-sighted plutocracies or trending in that direction.

Hobbes is the only philospher I really took to heart, since his conclusions were actually based on field observations that, unfortunately, seem to be constantly revalidated and repeated.

66 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Aug 1, 2014 2:33:52pm

re: #65 Aunty Entity Dragon

Hobbes is the only philospher I really took to heart, since his conclusions were actually based on field observations that, unfortunately, seem to be constantly revalidated and repeated.

None of this statement is true.

67 Rightwingconspirator  Aug 1, 2014 2:34:04pm

re: #50 Charles Johnson

Meanwhile, another stupid comment from Scahill:

[Embedded content]

The computers and the network they were accessing were owned by the CIA, so they couldn’t have “stolen” anything.

It was still wrong, but people like Scahill are deliberately distorting these kinds of issues to make the CIA look even worse.

Calls for the CIA directors resignation are fairly few all things considered. 2 Dems. That’s pretty low key considering the implications. Sen Graham would not confirm anything so maybe not even one Republican Senator.

68 Lidane  Aug 1, 2014 2:35:09pm

What could possibly go wrong?

GOP Hands Immigration Policy Over To Steve King

69 EPR-radar  Aug 1, 2014 2:35:48pm

re: #68 Lidane

What could possibly go wrong?

GOP Hands Immigration Policy Over To Steve King

Everything.

70 Aunty Entity Dragon  Aug 1, 2014 2:36:04pm

re: #62 EPR-radar

I’m also inclined to agree with Hobbes. I expect some nasty resource wars to break out in the next few decades as we continue to fail to come to grips with AGW. It doesn’t help that the developed nations are short-sighted plutocracies or trending in that direction.

Also, review what happened in New Orleans after Katrina and ask yourself if the better angels were on duty while looting, murder and rape proceeded apace while many cops either fled the city, helped in the looting or tried to cover up the murders they actually committed themselves (trials and appeals still going on over that).

Remove stratified social controls and the state monopoly on violence, and you better believe that it is everyone looking to themselves for protection.

71 klys  Aug 1, 2014 2:36:23pm
72 TedStriker  Aug 1, 2014 2:36:52pm

re: #64 Charles Johnson

#YouMightBeAConservative if the word “torture” offends you, but actual real world torture is fine and dandy.

— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) August 1, 2014

Just as long as someone else is getting their hands dirty, out of sight and far enough away to give a veneer of plausible deniability.

73 Charles Johnson  Aug 1, 2014 2:37:22pm

And another self-professed “Christian” weighs in.

74 Romantic Heretic  Aug 1, 2014 2:38:27pm

re: #68 Lidane

What could possibly go wrong?

GOP Hands Immigration Policy Over To Steve King

Next up. GOP hands nuclear football to a squirrel monkey.

75 darthstar  Aug 1, 2014 2:38:50pm

“Deporting children makes me wet.” —Bachmann

76 EPR-radar  Aug 1, 2014 2:39:12pm

re: #71 klys

One of the pleasant things about living in Colorado (suburb east of Denver, where my parents used to live) is that double rainbows were commonplace.

77 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Aug 1, 2014 2:39:24pm

re: #70 Aunty Entity Dragon

Also, review what happened in New Orleans after Katrina and ask yourself if the better angels were on duty while looting, murder and rape proceeded apace while many cops either fled the city, helped in the looting or tried to cover up the murders they actually committed themselves (trials and appeals still going on over that).

Remove stratified social controls and the state monopoly on violence, and you better believe that it is everyone looking to themselves for protection.

There are also counter-examples, times where without stratified social controls and state monopoly on violence people have behaved decently and altruistically.

Hobbes did not do ‘field research’, because it was impossible. His hypothesis was about man in the ‘state of nature’, which does not exist anywhere on earth.

78 calochortus  Aug 1, 2014 2:39:50pm

re: #76 EPR-radar

One of the pleasant things about living in Colorado (suburb east of Denver) is that double rainbows were commonplace.

Right after every hailstorm?

79 EPR-radar  Aug 1, 2014 2:41:26pm

re: #78 calochortus

Right after every hailstorm?

It didn’t need to be a hailstorm. Pretty much any afternoon thunderstorm was good for a double rainbow in the eastern sky as it moved out.

80 Aunty Entity Dragon  Aug 1, 2014 2:41:58pm

re: #66 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

None of this statement is true.

One word:

Rwanda.

Everything Hobbes observed in human nature during the English Civil War has been seen again, and again and again.

I can think of nobody who would want to set up a controlled experiment on large scale chaos and death, but the very word phrase Hobbesian state of nature came about simply because we have seen what happens when you remove government control from a society.

It doesn’t turn into a glibitarian paradise.

It turns into Somalia.

81 Dr. Matt  Aug 1, 2014 2:45:31pm

re: #64 Charles Johnson

#YouMightBeAConservative if the word “torture” offends you, but actual real world torture is fine and dandy.
5:27 PM - 1 Aug 2014

No, no, no… it’s not “torture” it’s the politically correct term enhanced interrogation.

82 Lidane  Aug 1, 2014 2:46:46pm

re: #81 Dr. Matt

No, no, no… it’s not “torture” it’s the politically correct term enhanced interrogation.

IF JACK BAUER CAN DO IT SO CAN WE!

83 calochortus  Aug 1, 2014 2:46:50pm

re: #79 EPR-radar

Just a little Colorado-weather humor. We lived in the Golden area for a few years and got to “preview” many of the storms. We rarely got advance warnings, but on the other hand, most of the storms were less severe right up against the mountains, before they moved out on to the plains. There were a couple exceptions…

84 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Aug 1, 2014 2:48:03pm

re: #80 Aunty Entity Dragon

One word:

Rwanda.

Counterexample: The Hotel Rwanda.

And the San.

Everything Hobbes observed in human nature during the English Civil War has been seen again, and again and again.

Hobbes theory is not “People are shitty when shit hits the fan”. It is that in the state of nature, man is in a constant state of war. His theory is not that when social controls fail, chaos comes, but that chaos is the natural state.

I can think of nobody who would want to set up a controlled experiment on large scale chaos and death, but the very word phrase Hobbesian state of nature came about simply because we have seen what happens when you remove government control from a society.

But Hobbes’ theory isn’t about what happens when you remove government control from a society that already had them. It’s just not.

It doesn’t turn into a glibitarian paradise.

It turns into Somalia.

That’s great. Hobbes’ theory is not that if you remove social controls from an existing society there will be chaos. That would be ‘common sense’. Hobbes theory has to do with the natural state of man, the pre-state existence of man.

85 Mike Lamb  Aug 1, 2014 2:48:40pm

re: #75 darthstar

“Deporting children makes me wet.” —Bachmann

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Dude…

86 Aunty Entity Dragon  Aug 1, 2014 2:49:25pm

re: #77 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

Itimes where without stratified social controls and state monopoly on violence people have behaved decently and altruistically.

Almost always in small groups where trust or safety is a given.

His hypothesis was about man in the ‘state of nature’, which does not exist anywhere on earth.

The natural state of man is conflict, and that is evident…all over the place and in every time period we can research. The conflict may be ideological or over resources, but the conflicts will not go away as long as homo sapiens can fashion a stealth bomber or a sharp stick to gain advantage over another group of homo sapiens.

That is how we roll, and it is how we will always be. Sorry to harsh the mellow here, but again, the sum of recorded history bears this out.

87 Lidane  Aug 1, 2014 2:52:12pm

Rebranding!

GOP Lawmaker Asks If He Can Join Black Caucus: ‘I’m Fond Of Rap Music’

New Hampshire state Rep. Kyle Tasker (R) asked a Republican colleague on Facebook this week if his fondness of rap music was enough to allow him to join a black caucus.

Tasker’s comments were part of a Facebook exchange that began with a post made by fellow Rep. Jordan Ulery that said the conservative American Legislative Exchange Council planned to work with the Black Caucus of State Legislators.

88 ausador  Aug 1, 2014 2:52:16pm

re: #57 Lidane

Sorry for the OT, but this is driving me crazy. Does anyone remember a short story/novel/Twilight Zone episode/wtf-ever where everyone in a family confesses some kind of dark secret to an exchange student they believe doesn’t speak English, but at the end they find out he’s been able to understand them all along?

I could swear I came across it a long time ago but I can’t remember anything specific about it.

Doesn’t ring any bells, sorry. Sounds more like the kind of thing they used to do on “Alfred Hitchcock Presents” than the twilight zone though.

89 Higgs Boson's Mate  Aug 1, 2014 2:52:24pm

re: #75 darthstar

Where do I send the bill for the brain bleach?

90 Aunty Entity Dragon  Aug 1, 2014 2:52:26pm

re: #84 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

It is that in the state of nature, man is in a constant state of war. His theory is not that when social controls fail, chaos comes, but that chaos is the natural state.

To which I say:

Yes! No kidding! That is reality!

Social controls hold back chaos, but they are imperfect…and then things happen.

91 TedStriker  Aug 1, 2014 2:52:40pm

re: #75 darthstar

“Deporting children makes me wet.” —Bachmann

Ewwwww…

92 Charles Johnson  Aug 1, 2014 2:52:44pm

Here we go again.

93 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Aug 1, 2014 2:53:20pm

re: #86 Aunty Entity Dragon

Almost always in small groups where trust or safety is a given.
.

Source for this incredible claim?

The natural state of man is conflict, and that is evident…all over the place and in every time period we can research.

Except for all the counterexamples.

The conflict may be ideological or over resources, but the conflicts will not go away as long as homo sapiens can fashion a stealth bomber or a sharp stick to gain advantage over another group of homo sapiens.

Do you understand that Hobbes’ theory is not that if you remove social controls chaos will result? You are just basically misstating the premise of Leviathan.

Hobbes does not spend a lot of time, actually, on why various states go to war with each other, either, so you’re really double-mistating what Leviathan is about. It is not about geopolitical conflict, or intersocietal conflict. It is his theory of the nature of man and the rise of the state, and the moral and ethical obligations of the individual in relation to the state.

That is how we roll, and it is how we will always be. Sorry to harsh the mellow here, but again, the sum of recorded history bears this out

I don’t think that you know the sum of recorded history, because nobody does.

94 alpuz  Aug 1, 2014 2:55:10pm

re: #6 nines09

OK. I scrolled down this time, and I think I’m safe. Amanda is just another right-wing grifter looking for a bump up in salary, importance & position.

It doesn’t matter how outrageous these people act, with wingnut welfare they’re going to fall up. The more outraged/wing-nuttish the statement, the bigger the paycheck.

Sure, they may be true believers, but the cherry on top is the paycheck.

Over and over we see this with RWNJ’s. From Breitbart to Malkin to Hoft to Horowitz, and to any local d-bag on the airwaves looking to advance their career. It’s sick.

Youtube Video

95 Aunty Entity Dragon  Aug 1, 2014 2:55:21pm

re: #84 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

Counterexample: The Hotel Rwanda.

And as I said, small group or in this case…a very small group where altruism becomes possible.

In that he case, he was lucky indeed since he could just as easily been murdered.

96 Aunty Entity Dragon  Aug 1, 2014 2:56:07pm

re: #92 Charles Johnson

Here we go again.

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What the hell??!

97 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Aug 1, 2014 2:58:19pm

re: #95 Aunty Entity Dragon

And as I said, small group or in this case…a very small group where altruism becomes possible.

In that he case, he was lucky indeed since he could just as easily been murdered.

Again: Leviathan is not about geopolitical conflict, nor is it about what happens when social controls are in place and then fail. You are fundamentally misrepresenting the work; you are taking a conclusion that can be drawn from the work, and presenting it as though it is Hobbses’ conclusion. it is not. You also said that he ‘field tested’ his theory. He did not: his theory has to do with the natural state of man without state controls, not a society that has suffered a loss of state controls, and as such is basically untestable. To the point it is testable— i.e. various small-scale tribes that have no ‘state’ that can be readily identified, there are some that are violent and hostile to outsiders, and some that are not at all hostile.

In addition, even if he had field tested his theory (which again, he did not and could not) he would hardly have been the only philosopher to do so. However, he did not and could not.

98 Charles Johnson  Aug 1, 2014 2:59:43pm

re: #96 Aunty Entity Dragon

What the hell??!

There are some left-wingers who just believe this because it’s what they heard years ago from someone else, and never bothered to check if it was true or not.

The fact is that if I became aware someone was spouting genocidal rhetoric at LGF, their accounts were suspended and their comments deleted. It was never tolerated here.

99 Dr. Matt  Aug 1, 2014 2:59:54pm

BEES

100 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Aug 1, 2014 2:59:56pm

re: #92 Charles Johnson

I recall many bitter arguments with Ludwig and Buck when they skirted near eliminationist rhetoric but neither of them actually endorsed it. Some others did so even more passive-aggressively and indirectly, of the ‘who will rid us of these troublesome Arabs’ variety. That’s not ‘incredibly common’, that’s ‘below the radar, and when obvious, confronted’.

101 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 1, 2014 3:00:15pm

re: #92 Charles Johnson

Here we go again.

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Who the fuck is that? Greenwalder or stalker? (of course could be both)

102 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 1, 2014 3:00:56pm

re: #98 Charles Johnson

There are some left-wingers who just believe this because it’s what they heard years ago from someone else, and never bothered to check if it was true or not.

The fact is that if I became aware someone was spouting genocidal rhetoric at LGF, their accounts were suspended and their comments deleted. It was never tolerated here.

Bigel was the first to be banned. Then rayra.

103 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Aug 1, 2014 3:01:14pm

re: #92 Charles Johnson

He’s also really angry at Obama for saying ‘folks’ when he said that we tortured people. A huge case of not being able to see the forest for the trees.

104 Charles Johnson  Aug 1, 2014 3:01:28pm

re: #101 Pie-onist Overlord

Who the fuck is that? Greenwalder or stalker? (of course could be both)

Don’t know - I’ve never seen this person before.

105 Charles Johnson  Aug 1, 2014 3:02:18pm

re: #102 Pie-onist Overlord

Don’t forget “Camel Prophet.” Total nutbag, kept coming back with different IPs in the days before registration.

106 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Aug 1, 2014 3:02:32pm

re: #102 Pie-onist Overlord

Bigel was the first to be banned. Then rayra.

Oh, and then there was Bagua, who I think was just crazy in some way, since he was both violently and wildly pro-Israel and thought that Goldman Sachs and other banks with Jewish names were actually owned by Jews. But even he shied away from actual eliminationist rhetoric.

107 HappyWarrior  Aug 1, 2014 3:03:19pm

Obama could call for world peace and they’d go ballistic.

108 wrenchwench  Aug 1, 2014 3:03:24pm

re: #103 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

He’s also really angry at Obama for saying ‘folks’ when he said that we tortured people. A huge case of not being able to see the forest for the trees.

People who think it’s OK to torture people prefer to think of those tortured as animals or less. ‘Folks’ sounds way too human.

109 Charles Johnson  Aug 1, 2014 3:03:29pm

A lot of the people who were banned for eliminationist rhetoric are now stalking me around the web 24/7.

110 EPR-radar  Aug 1, 2014 3:04:19pm

re: #100 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

I recall many bitter arguments with Ludwig and Buck when they skirted near eliminationist rhetoric but neither of them actually endorsed it. Some others did so even more passive-aggressively and indirectly, of the ‘who will rid us of these troublesome Arabs’ variety. That’s not ‘incredibly common’, that’s ‘below the radar, and when obvious, confronted’.

I was reading LGF for several years before I registered, and this matches my memory of those times.

The existence of that indirect and passive-aggressive nonsense is clear evidence that open advocacy of genocide was not tolerated. Haters don’t bother with euphemisms unless they have to.

111 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Aug 1, 2014 3:05:23pm

re: #108 wrenchwench

People who think it’s OK to torture people prefer to think of those tortured as animals or less. ‘Folks’ sounds way too human.

No, you’ve got it backwards. He thinks that Obama was minimizing the torture by calling them ‘folks’, that it was said too casually. A real nitpick.

112 Higgs Boson's Mate  Aug 1, 2014 3:06:12pm

re: #93 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

I don’t think that you know the sum of recorded history, because nobody does.

I do but, I’m holding out for a movie deal.

113 Aunty Entity Dragon  Aug 1, 2014 3:07:04pm

re: #93 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

Source for this incredible claim?

If the altruistic behavior was large scale, you arguably would not have the social breakdown in the first place. If you are stuck in a civil war or mass calimity, your social and survival network tend to break down to a very few friends and your extended family. If you are scrounging for food to feed your infant, you aren’t handing out extras to your neighbors…you might hand out some food to your brother’s family, though. Human tribal and family structures evolved for a reason.

Except for all the counterexamples.

Which do nothing at all to dispute his overall point beyond acknowedging that some individuals are nicer then others.

Hobbes does not spend a lot of time, actually, on why various states go to war with each other, either,

No, he doesn’t. He spends quite a bit of time explaining why the sovereign or Prince (IE Leviathan) is needed to restrain human iniquity and our base passions. He cannot quite account for what to do when the Prince goes off the rails, however, although he does posit that a social contract between the ruler and the nation is established and can, in fact, be broken by misdeeds of the Prince. This is important, since it forms part of our own basis for the Revolution.

114 wrenchwench  Aug 1, 2014 3:07:14pm

re: #111 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

No, you’ve got it backwards. He thinks that Obama was minimizing the torture by calling them ‘folks’, that it was said too casually. A real nitpick.

That’s possibly crazier.

115 Aunty Entity Dragon  Aug 1, 2014 3:07:45pm

re: #98 Charles Johnson

There are some left-wingers who just believe this because it’s what they heard years ago from someone else, and never bothered to check if it was true or not.

The fact is that if I became aware someone was spouting genocidal rhetoric at LGF, their accounts were suspended and their comments deleted. It was never tolerated here.

I just tweeted to this jerk to cite the example or shut up.

116 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Aug 1, 2014 3:09:27pm

re: #113 Aunty Entity Dragon

If the altruistic behavior was large scale, you arguably would not have the social breakdown in the first place. If you are stuck in a civil war or mass calimity, your social and survival network tend to break down to a very few friends and your extended family. If you are scrounging for food to feed your infant, you aren’t handing out extras to your neighbors…you might hand out some food to your brother’s family, though. Human tribal and family structures evolved for a reason.

This isn’t evidence.

Which do nothing at all to dispute his overall point beyond acknowedging that some individuals are nicer then others.

You are misrepresenting Hobbes’ overall point.

No, he doesn’t. He spends quite a bit of time explaining why the sovereign or Prince (IE Leviathan) is needed to restrain human iniquity and our base passions. He cannot quite account for what to do when the Prince goes off the rails, however, although he does posit that a social contract between the ruler and the nation is established and can, in fact, be broken by misdeeds of the Prince. This is important, since it forms part of our own basis for the Revolution.

If you understand that Hobbes’ is not talking about geopolitics and not talking about what happens when social controls fail, why are you continually misrepresenting it as though he does?

And why did you claim that he ‘field-tested’ a theory that’s about the natural state of man, and by its (hah) nature, can’t be field-tested?

117 Aunty Entity Dragon  Aug 1, 2014 3:09:58pm

re: #93 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

I don’t think that you know the sum of recorded history, because nobody does.

Violence and war have been a constant…just like sex, arthritis and complaining about kids these days.

Seriously, are you actually trying to claim otherwise??

118 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Aug 1, 2014 3:11:33pm

re: #117 Aunty Entity Dragon

Violence and war have been a constant…just like sex, arthritis and complaining about kids these days.

Seriously, are you actually trying to claim otherwise??

Yes. Violence and war have not been a ‘constant’. There have been long periods without war, and societies that rarely, if ever, experienced war, even societies where deprivation is an absolute way of life.

You don’t actually think you have knowledge of all of human history, do you?

119 klys  Aug 1, 2014 3:14:01pm

Sad Kitteh says it is Friday beer time.

120 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Aug 1, 2014 3:14:21pm

re: #117 Aunty Entity Dragon

Violence and war have been a constant…just like sex, arthritis and complaining about kids these days.

Seriously, are you actually trying to claim otherwise??

Why do you think you can dismiss Pinker’s thesis when you haven’t read his book?

121 Charles Johnson  Aug 1, 2014 3:14:45pm

re: #115 Aunty Entity Dragon

I just tweeted to this jerk to cite the example or shut up.

Thanks. I can’t get into it with everyone who does this myself - it’s counter-productive, and almost never results in changing anyone’s mind.

122 Aunty Entity Dragon  Aug 1, 2014 3:17:30pm

re: #116 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

This isn’t evidence.

Christ on a crutch, you can see this in action in any damned refugee camp or interview with a war zone survivor or even just a subsistance tribe in the Sahel. If you want specific data from an anthropologist on familial relations vs outside relations, hell, start with the Gware or a similar group in Nothern Kenya and see what the hell you have to do to get help if you are an outsider.

You are misrepresenting Hobbes’ overall point.

You know, I will just leave it that we have different takes on it.

And why did you claim that he ‘field-tested’ a theory that’s about the natural state of man, and by its (hah) nature, can’t be field-tested?

I looked back at my quote. I said “field observations”. I think I will stand with that since it is the literal truth. He based his writing on what he saw.

123 Aunty Entity Dragon  Aug 1, 2014 3:20:55pm

re: #118 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

Yes. Violence and war have not been a ‘constant’.

I have no idea how that claim can be made.

re: #120 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi

Why do you think you can dismiss Pinker’s thesis when you haven’t read his book?

My spouse had to read it for one of her classes and I examined some of it. I thought the hypothesis alone was outlandish. I suppose I will look at it again and see what his supposed data came from and how he justified it.

124 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 1, 2014 3:21:13pm
125 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Aug 1, 2014 3:21:40pm

re: #117 Aunty Entity Dragon

Also, war is a problem for Hobbes’ theory. That nation states go to war with each other, sometimes for no perceivable gain, sometimes just for advancement is not something predicted in his theory. It is kind of the opposite of what you’re saying.

Let me quote you some Hobbes:

and to hurt without reason tendeth to the introduction of war, which is against the law of nature, and is commonly styled by the name of cruelty.

THE final cause, end, or design of men (who naturally love liberty, and dominion over others) in the introduction of that restraint upon themselves, in which we see them live in Commonwealths, is the foresight of their own preservation, and of a more contented life thereby; that is to say, of getting themselves out from that miserable condition of war which is necessarily consequent, as hath been shown, to the natural passions of men when there is no visible power to keep them in awe, and tie them by fear of punishment to the performance of their covenants, and observation of those laws of nature set down in the fourteenth and fifteenth chapters.

Hobbes’ theory in a nutshell “Without the state, there is war. With the state, there is a chance for there not to be war.”

His first contention is somewhat unprovable but to the extent it can be tested is wrong. The second one is more true: states have more chance of avoiding war than anarchic groups do, but it’s again relatively untestable.

126 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 1, 2014 3:24:22pm

A little corner of the crust got knocked off, but will be eated anyway.

127 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Aug 1, 2014 3:24:50pm

re: #122 Aunty Entity Dragon

Christ on a crutch, you can see this in action in any damned refugee camp or interview with a war zone survivor or even just a subsistance tribe in the Sahel. If you want specific data from an anthropologist on familial relations vs outside relations, hell, start with the Gware or a similar group in Nothern Kenya and see what the hell you have to do to get help if you are an outsider.

Hobbes’ theory isn’t about whether or not outsiders are offered help, though. You continue to misrepresent Hobbes. And there are many, many cultures where altruism to outsiders is a mandate.

You know, I will just leave it that we have different takes on it.

Instead, how about you try to support your contentions on Hobbes by quoting from Hobbes? Like I did? Specifically, anything he says about war between nations?

re: #123 Aunty Entity Dragon

I have no idea how that claim can be made.

By looking at societies and noticing some of them go long periods of time without war. I’m not sure why this is a startling claim to you.

128 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 1, 2014 3:26:38pm
129 Aunty Entity Dragon  Aug 1, 2014 3:26:59pm

re: #125 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

That nation states go to war with each other, sometimes for no perceivable gain, sometimes just for advancement is not something predicted in his theory.

Which is why he invents the idea of the social contract bewteen the Prince and the governed…and further posits that if the contract be broken by the Prince then the people do not owe him or her allegiance any longer. Again, this was a major feature in our own Revolution as far as justifying our break with the Crown.

Hobbes has a blind spot with respect to the innate ability of a Prince to govern, but I think he understood that any human governance would have limitation of course.

130 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Aug 1, 2014 3:29:53pm

re: #129 Aunty Entity Dragon

Which is why he invents the idea of the social contract bewteen the Prince and the governed…and further posits that if the contract be broken by the Prince then the people do not owe him or her allegiance any longer. Again, this was a major feature in our own Revolution as far as justifying our break with the Crown.
.

Yes. That is accurate. And has nothing at all to do with your original point—it in fact contradicts your original point.

Hobbes has a blind spot with respect to the innate ability of a Prince to govern, but I think he understood that any human governance would have limitation of course

Hobbes has no such blind spot, he completely accepts that a leader may be a buffoon or an idiot but he thinks that the natural tendency of man to club together into a state means that even if a leader has to be deposed they will be replaced by another. Most of the time, however, he says that the population will simply hunker down under the idiot because they know that deposing them brings huge risks.

And again, the Civil War was not a field-testing of Hobbes’ theory, which relates to the natural state of man before the state, not the state of man after a state has existed and then undergone chaos.

131 dog philosopher  Aug 1, 2014 3:30:48pm

re: #125 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

Also, war is a problem for Hobbes’ theory. That nation states go to war with each other, sometimes for no perceivable gain, sometimes just for advancement is not something predicted in his theory. It is kind of the opposite of what you’re saying.

Let me quote you some Hobbes:

Hobbes’ theory in a nutshell “Without the state, there is war. With the state, there is a chance for there not to be war.”

His first contention is somewhat unprovable but to the extent it can be tested is wrong. The second one is more true: states have more chance of avoiding war than anarchic groups do, but it’s again relatively untestable.

i was interested in finding out how the philosophies of calvin vs hobbes relate to the comic strip characters of the same name

i ain’t so good on this here philosopher stuff

132 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Aug 1, 2014 3:34:16pm

re: #131 dog philosopher

i was interested in finding out how the philosophies of calvin vs hobbes relate to the comic strip characters of the same name

i ain’t so good on this here philosopher stuff

There’s only a really loose connection, the Calvin bit is mostly a satire of the way that kids are incredibly self-centered: Calvin’s theory was that we are all predestined, and Calvin of the comics definitely believes that. Comic Hobbes relates to the philosopher’s idea that humans on their own are anarchic, selfish messes, which Calvin ably demonstrates all the time. But each character is only loosely associated, they’re not meant to be one-to-one standins or anything.

133 De Kolta Chair  Aug 1, 2014 3:34:45pm

re: #119 klys

Sad Kitteh says it is Friday beer time.

Youtube Video
Sad Kitteh and Guinness give you strength!

134 Aunty Entity Dragon  Aug 1, 2014 3:34:47pm

re: #127 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

By looking at societies and noticing some of them go long periods of time without war. I’m not sure why this is a startling claim to you.

Because I am finishing my degree in history right now, and I have seen nothing in Europe, The Americas, Mesopotamia, China, India or anywhere advanced beyond hunter gatherer social development to suggest anything like that is the case. First off, how do you define “long periods”?

You might point out some Pacific islanders had “long” perods of calm. They also had no neighbors. Then, you can also look at Easter Island which went batshit insane. Long ears exterminating short ears and vice versa. I honestly do not think your claim is supportable on the merits. I also think you honstly believe it and I love you death…and I hate arguments.

Let me give you a hug for now, and I have to get showered and ready to take the family to see a movie.

135 ausador  Aug 1, 2014 3:36:07pm

re: #98 Charles Johnson

There are some left-wingers who just believe this because it’s what they heard years ago from someone else, and never bothered to check if it was true or not.

The fact is that if I became aware someone was spouting genocidal rhetoric at LGF, their accounts were suspended and their comments deleted. It was never tolerated here.

Yeah that one bugs the shit out of me, still see people badmouthing LGF on some hard left sites from time to time if this place comes up because of a article or tweet. If you comment back usually it turns out the person has never been here, just “heard stuff.” If they have been here it usually turns out to have been before the great flouncing.

Seems like they think it is impossible that a site’s owner or its direction could change politically in any notable way. I still get comments back about you being an right-wing bigot and Islamaphobe for instance. It seems that it is every bit as hard to teach the far left new facts as it is the far right unfortunately. :(

136 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Aug 1, 2014 3:37:18pm

re: #134 Aunty Entity Dragon

Because I am finishing my degree in history right now, and I have seen nothing in Europe, The Americas, Mesopotamia, China, India or anywhere advanced beyond hunter gatherer social development to suggest anything like that is the case. First off, how do you define “long periods”?

Can you quote Hobbes to support your contentions about what he says about inter-group war?

You might point out some Pacific islanders had “long” perods of calm. They also had no neighbors. Then, you can also look at Easter Island which went batshit insane. Long ears exterminating short ears and vice versa. I honestly do not think your claim is supportable on the merits. I also think you honstly believe it and I love you death…and I hate arguments.

If you hate arguments, why are you studying history?

Let me give you a hug for now, and I have to get showered and ready to take the family to see a movie.

I encourage you to reread Hobbes and attempt to find anywhere he talks about intergroup war being inevitable. He doesn’t.

137 BongCrodny  Aug 1, 2014 3:39:26pm

I don’t *always* talk to myself, but…from a yesterthread:

re: #66 BongCrodny

As far as mea culpas go, it wasn’t the worst I’ve ever heard.

But what does “sorry” really mean when in all likelihood you’re going to do the same damn thing again the very next time the “Obama Is Evil” alarm clock goes off?

Looks like Amanda’s alarm clock went off with just enough time to catch the afternoon train to Derpville.

138 EPR-radar  Aug 1, 2014 3:40:08pm

re: #136 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

…
If you hate arguments, why are you studying history?

…

Perhaps history counts as “abuse” rather than “argument”, per Monty Python? /

139 EPR-radar  Aug 1, 2014 3:41:05pm

re: #137 BongCrodny

…

Looks like Amanda’s alarm clock went off with just enough time to catch the afternoon train to Derpville.

Why would she need to take a train to Derpville? She’s a permanent resident.

140 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Aug 1, 2014 3:41:47pm

re: #134 Aunty Entity Dragon

Oh, but hug accepted.

141 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 1, 2014 3:43:13pm

re: #128 Pie-onist Overlord

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Wonder if daddy threatened to cut off his allowance.

142 Aunty Entity Dragon  Aug 1, 2014 3:45:50pm

re: #136 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

Can you quote Hobbes to support your contentions about what he says about inter-group war?

I am running out of time, but I might suggest Chapter 17, pages 124 to 125 in the 2004 Barnes and Noble edition (which is the one I have) for starters.

143 klys  Aug 1, 2014 3:45:53pm

re: #141 Backwoods_Sleuth

Wonder if daddy threatened to cut off his allowance.

I have to laugh at it.

“I’m sorry if the words that I wrote read the way they did, I didn’t mean for that to happen, especially the part where I doubled down on it on Twitter afterwards.”

144 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Aug 1, 2014 3:48:39pm

re: #142 Aunty Entity Dragon

I am running out of time, but I might suggest Chapter 17, pages 124 to 125 in the 2004 Barnes and Noble edition (which is the one I have) for starters.

That’s not about inter-national war.

145 makeitstop  Aug 1, 2014 3:55:08pm

re: #141 Backwoods_Sleuth

Wonder if daddy threatened to cut off his allowance.

My first thought, too.

Dad: ‘You’re going to log on to that web site and type out an apology this minute, young man!’

146 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 1, 2014 3:55:56pm

Might be time for some kisses?

147 RealityBasedSteve  Aug 1, 2014 3:58:19pm

re: #124 Pie-onist Overlord

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There once was a babushka who’s vicious,
But made pies that exceeded delicious.
She fought for the truth,
And had a sweet tooth.
And detested all things pernicious.

RBS

148 Charles Johnson  Aug 1, 2014 4:01:10pm

Not this shit again.

Every LGF comment listed on that page was deleted. Every single one. And they were posted in the days when we had no reporting system, registration, monitors, none of that. It was a dishonest smear then, and it remains a dishonest smear today.

149 Franklin Brewsevelt  Aug 1, 2014 4:01:53pm
150 dog philosopher  Aug 1, 2014 4:05:56pm

re: #138 EPR-radar

Perhaps history counts as “abuse” rather than “argument”, per Monty Python? /

this is getting-hit-over-the-head lessons

arguments are down the hall

151 Kragar  Aug 1, 2014 4:06:53pm
152 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 1, 2014 4:07:45pm

re: #147 RealityBasedSteve

There once was a babushka who’s vicious,
But made pies that exceeded delicious.
She fought for the truth,
And had a sweet tooth.
And detested all things pernicious.

RBS

You made me LOL!!!

153 wrenchwench  Aug 1, 2014 4:08:46pm

re: #151 Kragar

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Or, as I call him, The Blockee. I’ll unblock if he needs pilin’ on.

154 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 1, 2014 4:09:10pm

Member of Congress who gets all his information from Jim Hoft.

155 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Aug 1, 2014 4:09:57pm

re: #142 Aunty Entity Dragon

If what you’re referring to is this quote:

And as small families did then; so now do cities and kingdoms, which are but greater families (for their own security), enlarge their dominions upon all pretences of danger, and fear of invasion, or assistance that may be given to invaders; endeavour as much as they can to subdue or weaken their neighbours by open force, and secret arts, for want of other caution, justly; and are remembered for it in after ages with honour.

He is talking here about cities and kingdoms as somewhat different from Commonwealths, and he is saying that the reason for war and diplomacy is fear of invasion. When there isn’t fear of invasion—like, say, the US and Canada, this isn’t in play. If we were to take your view, the fact that the US and Canada have had peace since 1812 shouldn’t be possible.

You have to take the above paragraph in the context of the leading paragraph of Chapter 17:

THE final cause, end, or design of men (who naturally love liberty, and dominion over others) in the introduction of that restraint upon themselves, in which we see them live in Commonwealths, is the foresight of their own preservation, and of a more contented life thereby; that is to say, of getting themselves out from that miserable condition of war which is necessarily consequent, as hath been shown, to the natural passions of men when there is no visible power to keep them in awe, and tie them by fear of punishment to the performance of their covenants, and observation of those laws of nature set down in the fourteenth and fifteenth chapters.

He views the creation of the state as a way to escape war, and that states war on each other only when they fear each other AND feel that they can win that war of conquest. There is plenty of room, in Hobbes’ analysis, for allies and states that do not fear invasion from each other because of mutual interests. this is actually, again, a problem in Hobbes’ argument.

The part of Hobbes that is most true, in my estimation, is his analysis that in areas without a state, a state will eventually form, and that part of that reason is self-preservation. I don’t think that the reason for this is that the natural state of all men is to make war on each other, but that there are some who will, and they will band together, so everyone is forced to band together to resist them.

156 wrenchwench  Aug 1, 2014 4:10:16pm
157 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 1, 2014 4:10:53pm

MOAR DERP
It’s not “religious liberty” to deny that right to others.

158 Kragar  Aug 1, 2014 4:12:38pm
159 EPR-radar  Aug 1, 2014 4:13:18pm

re: #156 wrenchwench

It seems that the GOP presidential field in 2016 will be even worse than the 2012 clown show. All very entertaining, as long as the freak that gets the GOP nomination loses.

Preferably by a vast margin.

160 Charles Johnson  Aug 1, 2014 4:13:26pm

re: #151 Kragar

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It absolutely was NOT common, and if I became aware of someone posting such comments I took action to stop it.

I just can’t even.

161 Kid A  Aug 1, 2014 4:13:49pm
162 Targetpractice  Aug 1, 2014 4:14:06pm

re: #156 wrenchwench

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Yet to find a wingnut who can tell me what qualifies Carson for the presidency that wasn’t one of their criticisms of the President during his ‘08 run. If anything, he’s even less qualified, as at least the President had held elected office for years prior to his run.

163 Kragar  Aug 1, 2014 4:14:07pm
164 Justanotherhuman  Aug 1, 2014 4:14:52pm

Just talked to my son, who will turn 55 next Fri, and I was going to give him a cooler on wheels for his bd (he thinks beer should be put nowhere but on ice), but he wants a toaster instead (his just went kaput) since he has the same cooler I was going to give him. Usually he doesn’t want anything, but I always insist on a little something.

I’ve heard of mothers getting toasters and other household appliances (which used to tick me off), but your kid asking for one? : )

165 Kragar  Aug 1, 2014 4:15:05pm

Guessing he means “I don’t care”

166 Charles Johnson  Aug 1, 2014 4:16:32pm

re: #165 Kragar

Well, that’s pretty obvious. Thanks anyway for pushing back.

167 Justanotherhuman  Aug 1, 2014 4:17:56pm

It’s truly hard to push back against self-imposed ignorance.

168 Kid A  Aug 1, 2014 4:18:56pm

Ted Cruz truly is dangerous to the country.

169 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 1, 2014 4:18:57pm

TCOT is outraged that POTUS demanded the immediate release of the IDF soldier but not the guy who drove into Mexico with a truck full of guns.

170 RealityBasedSteve  Aug 1, 2014 4:19:08pm

re: #164 Justanotherhuman

Just talked to my son, who will turn 55 next Fri, and I was going to give him a cooler on wheels for his bd (he thinks beer should be put nowhere but on ice), but he wants a toaster instead (his just went kaput) since he has the same cooler I was going to give him. Usually he doesn’t want anything, but I always insist on a little something.

I’ve heard of mothers getting toasters and other household appliances (which used to tick me off), but your kid asking for one? : )

Hey…. give a son a toaster, and he can make toast for breakfast.

171 Kid A  Aug 1, 2014 4:19:34pm

re: #170 RealityBasedSteve

Give him a cooler on wheels and he can drink cold beer.

172 wrenchwench  Aug 1, 2014 4:19:35pm

re: #162 Targetpractice

Yet to find a wingnut who can tell me what qualifies Carson for the presidency that wasn’t one of their criticisms of the President during his ‘08 run. If anything, he’s even less qualified, as at least the President had held elected office for years prior to his run.

Also, Obama is smart, he has an education related to a political career, and having been elected before is huge, compared to someone who never ran for anything.

173 Kragar  Aug 1, 2014 4:19:59pm

re: #169 Pie-onist Overlord

TCOT is outraged that POTUS demanded the immediate release of the IDF soldier but not the guy who drove into Mexico with a truck full of guns.

Were they just as outraged when Bush left the army specialist sit in jail for doing the same thing?

174 wrenchwench  Aug 1, 2014 4:20:30pm
175 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 1, 2014 4:22:15pm

Stockman doubles down & links to an Israeli extremist site.

176 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 1, 2014 4:24:04pm

I’m sure he spoke to each & every one of them.

177 Justanotherhuman  Aug 1, 2014 4:24:17pm

re: #171 Kid A

Give him a cooler on wheels and he can drink cold beer.

Oh, yeah, I forgot to say he already has one exactly like the one I was going to give him. He’s a “beer on ice” kind of guy…won’t put it in the fridge.

178 dog philosopher  Aug 1, 2014 4:28:46pm

re: #157 Pie-onist Overlord

<blockquoteAnybody who opposes religious liberty for Christians is a bigot.

— Bryan Fischer (@BryanJFischer) August 1, 2014

so far bry has declined to respond to me re his support for mormons to practice polygamy

179 Kragar  Aug 1, 2014 4:29:31pm

Guessing I’ve been dismissed

180 dog philosopher  Aug 1, 2014 4:29:47pm

re: #176 Pie-onist Overlord

I’m sure he spoke to each & every one of them.

wingnuts are all endowed with the ability to read everybody else’s mind donchano

…or at least they act like they can

181 Justanotherhuman  Aug 1, 2014 4:31:18pm

Hamas armed wing: Israeli soldier may have been killed in ambush - @Reuters
read more on trust.org

182 ausador  Aug 1, 2014 4:33:45pm

re: #160 Charles Johnson

It absolutely was NOT common, and if I became aware of someone posting such comments I took action to stop it.

I just can’t even.

183 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 1, 2014 4:41:36pm
184 goddamnedfrank  Aug 1, 2014 4:43:24pm

re: #165 Kragar

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Guessing he means “I don’t care”

You know who else didn’t care …

185 dog philosopher  Aug 1, 2014 4:43:29pm

may the custard pie of righteousness obscure the face of the hypocrites!

186 Bear  Aug 1, 2014 4:44:34pm

re: #183 Pie-onist Overlord</ere: #183 Pie-onist Overlord

Looks good.

187 b.d.  Aug 1, 2014 4:44:48pm

re: #183 Pie-onist Overlord

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DAMN!

Pie me!

188 Romantic Heretic  Aug 1, 2014 4:45:53pm

re: #107 HappyWarrior

Obama could call for world peace and they’d go ballistic.

Of course they would. The weapons manufacturers that back them would go out of business. //

189 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Aug 1, 2014 4:46:09pm

re: #184 goddamnedfrank

You know who else didn’t care …

190 Dr. Matt  Aug 1, 2014 4:47:29pm

A bear rescues a crow from drowning……seriously:

Youtube Video

191 Archangelus  Aug 1, 2014 4:48:14pm

re: #183 Pie-onist Overlord

It’s almost as if you’re deliberately trying to get me and others to try and bite our screens and be forced to buy new ones… How much is Samsung payin’ you?!?! ////

192 Teukka  Aug 1, 2014 4:49:02pm

Update on the ongoing saga about the Yamal hole:
nature.com

TL;DR Only good news was that it /wasn’t/ a clathrate deposit pop.

193 wrenchwench  Aug 1, 2014 4:50:55pm

re: #190 Dr. Matt

A bear rescues a crow from drowning……seriously:

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It’s a rerun, but it’s a good one.

194 Dr. Matt  Aug 1, 2014 4:52:13pm

re: #193 wrenchwench

Damnit!

195 RealityBasedSteve  Aug 1, 2014 4:53:31pm

re: #183 Pie-onist Overlord

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I’m not doing a second limerick because there are two pies.. unless I can come up with one on the fly

RBS

196 Archangelus  Aug 1, 2014 4:54:33pm

re: #192 Teukka

Update on the ongoing saga about the Yamal hole:
nature.com

TL;DR Only good news was that it /wasn’t/ a clathrate deposit pop.

Not sure the alternatives are that positive…

197 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 1, 2014 4:56:27pm
198 ausador  Aug 1, 2014 4:57:07pm

It seems that Daily KOS has a problem with blog/diary authors who advocate the genocide of Palestinians as well…

dailykos.com

Personally, I think as long as a Palestinian (2+ / 3-)

…is left alive, Israel will be under attack.

I speak as a military strategist and anthropologist.

Israel has no choice but to murder them all, if it wants to survive.

The line of asymmetrical human obscenity within a civilization/tribe has been breeched.

_______________
For an idea that does not at first seem insane, there is no hope.
— Albert Einstein: far left, emo-prog, socialist.

by Pluto on Thu Jul 31, 2014 at 03:20:22 AM PDT

199 Mike Lamb  Aug 1, 2014 4:59:03pm

re: #154 Pie-onist Overlord

Member of Congress who gets all his information from Jim Hoft.

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I like Stockman’s game…take two completely fictitious statements and slap them together with a question mark:

Can a Conservative explain why they favor unicorn mating programs but oppose narwhal relay races?

200 Archangelus  Aug 1, 2014 5:01:46pm

re: #199 Mike Lamb

I like Stockman’s game…take two completely fictitious statements and slap them together with a question mark:

Can a Conservative explain why they favor unicorn mating programs but oppose narwhal relay races?

Hah, almost makes me wish I had a Twitter account so I could post that to Congressman StockShmuck..

201 EPR-radar  Aug 1, 2014 5:04:14pm

re: #198 ausador

In later comments this Pluto nitwit on dKos claims his original offering is analysis instead of advocacy.

Nice try. To play that game, the writing has to be much more precise. This isn’t even close.

202 sagehen  Aug 1, 2014 5:05:14pm

re: #190 Dr. Matt

A bear rescues a crow from drowning……seriously:

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Video

Only because he knew the camera was there, somebody promised him extra fish if they made a good clip.

But when the photog is gone… you don’t want to know what happened then.

203 Stanley Sea  Aug 1, 2014 5:06:01pm

re: #183 Pie-onist Overlord

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Beeeeutiful. Enjoy.

204 Stanley Sea  Aug 1, 2014 5:07:40pm

Just got home via commute from hell i.e. typical Friday.

How far back up do I need to read?

205 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 1, 2014 5:09:30pm

re: #195 RealityBasedSteve

I’m not doing a second limerick because there are two pies.. unless I can come up with one on the fly

RBS

There is no fly
On the pie

206 RealityBasedSteve  Aug 1, 2014 5:10:35pm

re: #190 Dr. Matt

A bear rescues a crow from drowning……seriously:

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Not my best… but commercial grade.

A bear and a crow at the zoo
The crow’s all wet, hey Boo-Boo
The bear gets it dry,
The crow thinks it’s fried.
But the bear wanders off to the loo

207 Stanley Sea  Aug 1, 2014 5:11:23pm

re: #128 Pie-onist Overlord

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Words mean something idjit. You fucked it all up today bud.

208 Stanley Sea  Aug 1, 2014 5:13:52pm

re: #161 Kid A

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He banked 15K? FOR WHAT? What is his need statement?

Wingnut welfare 101, there you have it.

209 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 1, 2014 5:16:04pm

Hey this wingnut is using a graphic that I created back in the day for his avi, AND HE FORGOT TO REMOVE THE WATERMARK.

210 RealityBasedSteve  Aug 1, 2014 5:16:35pm

re: #208 Stanley Sea

He banked 15K? FOR WHAT? What is his need statement?

Wingnut welfare 101, there you have it.

I’m so tempted to do something like that, fund my new lifestyle as a professional escort for lonely young women.

RBS

211 Stanley Sea  Aug 1, 2014 5:18:22pm

re: #210 RealityBasedSteve

I’m so tempted to do something like that, fund my new lifestyle as a professional escort for lonely young women.

RBS

Fuck, I just want to go see my parents back east. FFS.

212 Targetpractice  Aug 1, 2014 5:21:32pm
213 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 1, 2014 5:23:40pm

BUTTHURT

214 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 1, 2014 5:25:25pm

Aaaand, I’m all Derped out.

215 Stanley Sea  Aug 1, 2014 5:25:29pm

I have two beautiful avocados ready. Thank goodness. Only fresh guac can counter the derp of this vote tonight.

216 thedopefishlives  Aug 1, 2014 5:27:52pm

Evening Lizardim. Happy Friday from the wild north country. How go things in the war on derp?

217 b.d.  Aug 1, 2014 5:28:28pm

re: #198 ausador

It seems that Daily KOS has a problem with blog/diary authors who advocate the genocide of Palestinians as well…

dailykos.com

That Pluto gal is a piece of work. Always claiming to know the real inside story somehow, which her version turns out to be usually wrong. Russia backer extraordinaire, still denies that the Russians were in the Crimea and that the vote to leave was a real vote. Knows the real story behind Benghazi but can’t share it due to unspoken reasons. She was banned once over calling a poster who wrote about his wife’s cancer treatments being covered by Obamacare a liar.

Sometimes nice. Claims not to care about DailyKos ratings but if she gets a hide rating she’ll write a Ted Kaczynskiesque type screed against the rating.

Ahhhh memories…..

218 ausador  Aug 1, 2014 5:29:39pm

OK, fine, no hot pants or midriff blouses is something I can understand, but how do you not laugh when something is very funny? You might have a stroke or something by trying too hard to stifle a good guffaw!

Women should not laugh in public, Turkish deputy PM says

Women should not laugh out loud in public, Deputy Prime Minister Bülent Arınç has said while complaining about “moral corruption” in Turkey.

Speaking during an Eid el-Fitr meeting on July 28, Arınç described his ideal of the chaste man or woman, saying they should both have a sense of shame and honor.

“Chastity is so important. It is not only a name. It is an ornament for both women and men. [She] will have chasteness. Man will have it, too. He will not be a womanizer. He will be bound to his wife. He will love his children. [The woman] will know what is haram and not haram. She will not laugh in public. She will not be inviting in her attitudes and will protect her chasteness,” Arınç said, adding that people had abandoned their values today.

People needs to discover the Quran once again, Arınç said, adding that there had been a regression on moral grounds.

“Where are our girls, who slightly blush, lower their heads and turn their eyes away when we look at their face, becoming the symbol of chastity?” he said.

219 bratwurst  Aug 1, 2014 5:30:00pm
220 Stanley Sea  Aug 1, 2014 5:33:12pm

Primer needed. If the house passes this complete pile of shit bill, it still needs to go to Senate correct?

And if by far chance passes, to POTUS desk, which will veto?

So they say they did something & go on vacay?

221 wrenchwench  Aug 1, 2014 5:33:44pm

They found the guy who disappeared on June 13th.

Edit: Oh, they found him a while ago. They just got the tox report.

222 ausador  Aug 1, 2014 5:33:59pm

re: #220 Stanley Sea

Primer needed. If the house passes this complete pile of shit bill, it still needs to go to Senate correct?

And if by far chance passes, to POTUS desk, which will veto?

So they say they did something & go on vacay?

Yep, it is strictly theater. They have to show their idiot base that they “did something” before complaining about whatever Obama has to do over the next five weeks while they’re on vacation.

223 EPR-radar  Aug 1, 2014 5:36:06pm

re: #220 Stanley Sea

Primer needed. If the house passes this complete pile of shit bill, it still needs to go to Senate correct?

And if by far chance passes, to POTUS desk, which will veto?

So they say they did something & go on vacay?

Right you are. The House is struggling mightily to pass far-right pieces of crap that will be DOA in the Senate so they can go back to their constituents during their lengthy August recess and pretend they did something useful.

On available evidence, this is actually rational behavior because of the stupidity of a voting majority of said constituents.

224 jaunte  Aug 1, 2014 5:36:28pm
225 EPR-radar  Aug 1, 2014 5:37:47pm

re: #224 jaunte

HR - XXXX entitled “A Piece of Festering Goat Shit” passes in the US House of Representatives.

226 RealityBasedSteve  Aug 1, 2014 5:38:56pm

re: #216 thedopefishlives

Evening Lizardim. Happy Friday from the wild north country. How go things in the war on derp?

Derp is up by two, but it’s the bottom of the 6th, and we’ve got the power part of the lineup coming up.

RBS

227 thedopefishlives  Aug 1, 2014 5:39:51pm

re: #226 RealityBasedSteve

Derp is up by two, but it’s the bottom of the 6th, and we’ve got the power part of the lineup coming up.

RBS

I hope we’re getting the bullpen warmed up. Not sure the starting pitcher is going to be able to hold on.

228 wrenchwench  Aug 1, 2014 5:40:28pm
229 jaunte  Aug 1, 2014 5:41:54pm

re: #228 wrenchwench

sucker.

230 thedopefishlives  Aug 1, 2014 5:42:08pm

re: #229 jaunte

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sucker.

Dumbass.

231 Charles Johnson  Aug 1, 2014 5:42:14pm
232 Targetpractice  Aug 1, 2014 5:42:23pm

re: #227 thedopefishlives

I hope we’re getting the bullpen warmed up. Not sure the starting pitcher is going to be able to hold on.

Not to worry, we have Ricky “Wild Thing” Vaughn to back him up.

/(Geek moment)

233 Stanley Sea  Aug 1, 2014 5:43:24pm

re: #221 wrenchwench

They found the guy who disappeared on June 13th.

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Edit: Oh, they found him a while ago. They just got the tox report.

Whoops. To hot to do that shit outside.

234 thedopefishlives  Aug 1, 2014 5:43:26pm

re: #232 Targetpractice

Not to worry, we have Ricky “Wild Thing” Vaughn to back him up.

/(Geek moment)

Yeah, that one went whoosh.

235 RealityBasedSteve  Aug 1, 2014 5:44:27pm

re: #227 thedopefishlives

I hope we’re getting the bullpen warmed up. Not sure the starting pitcher is going to be able to hold on.

We got plenty of depth on the bench. Hell, our bat-boys and clubhouse attendants could disembowel most of the wingnuts without breaking a sweat.

RBS

236 wrenchwench  Aug 1, 2014 5:44:35pm

re: #233 Stanley Sea

Whoops. To hot to do that shit outside.

I think the drugs may have contributed to a fall that actually killed him. It said ‘blunt force trauma’.

237 EPR-radar  Aug 1, 2014 5:45:23pm

re: #229 jaunte

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sucker.

That is idiotic, even for a TX blue dog.

238 Stanley Sea  Aug 1, 2014 5:46:04pm

re: #222 ausador

Yep, it is strictly theater. They have to show their idiot base that they “did something” before complaining about whatever Obama has to do over the next five weeks while they’re on vacation.

So Gov. Perry will have to bill his state to pay for the National Guard against Children Force? (NGAC)

239 Targetpractice  Aug 1, 2014 5:46:07pm

re: #229 jaunte

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sucker.

Guy’s from a south Texas district that’s right on the frakin’ border. His office is probably getting bombarded by angry villagers demanding he “do something.”

240 b.d.  Aug 1, 2014 5:46:09pm

re: #231 Charles Johnson

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Need more refugee kids for experiments!!!!

241 bratwurst  Aug 1, 2014 5:46:13pm

Anyone else debating what to do about ordinarily solid Twitter follows who do NOTHING but tweet and re-tweet Israel/Palestinian blather? This just got retweeted to me by someone I won’t name (but more than a few of you follow this person as well):

Obviously, one shithead writing approvingly of genocide is a far cry from millions of Israelis sharing this point of view. However, I really don’t want to engage the person who fails to see that OR the person who retweets it…life is too short for the conversation likely to ensue there.

I guess I am doomed to just doing a lot of scrolling through until this thing dies down.

242 wrenchwench  Aug 1, 2014 5:47:49pm

re: #241 bratwurst

Anyone else debating what to do about ordinarily solid Twitter follows who do NOTHING but tweet and re-tweet Israel/Palestinian blather? This just got retweeted to me by someone I won’t name (but more than a few of you follow this person as well):

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Obviously, one shithead writing approvingly of genocide is a far cry from millions of Israelis sharing this point of view. However, I really don’t want to engage the person who fails to see that OR the person who retweets it…life is too short for the conversation likely to ensue there.

I guess I am doomed to just doing a lot of scrolling through until this thing dies down.

Try the ‘mute’ option if you don’t want to block.

243 Lidane  Aug 1, 2014 5:48:04pm

re: #212 Targetpractice

The GOP is going after the Cubans too? Wow. You’d think that shitting all over the only consistent bloc of Republican Latinos would be a bad idea.

244 bratwurst  Aug 1, 2014 5:49:04pm

re: #242 wrenchwench

Try the ‘mute’ option if you don’t want to block.

But will I then have to look up their profile again if I wish to unmute?

245 Targetpractice  Aug 1, 2014 5:49:22pm

re: #243 Lidane

The GOP is going after the Cubans too? Wow. You’d think that shitting all over the only consistent bloc of Republican Latinos would be a bad idea.

It’s an 11th hour vote, I doubt any of these assholes has any clue what they’re voting for. They just know it’ll go nowhere in the Senate, but will be a checkmark in the “Did Something” column.

246 compound_Idaho  Aug 1, 2014 5:49:26pm

re: #235 RealityBasedSteve

wichitawingnuts.com

They are AA you know.

247 wrenchwench  Aug 1, 2014 5:49:39pm

Republicans: Supporting child trafficking since 2014.

248 EPR-radar  Aug 1, 2014 5:49:56pm

re: #243 Lidane

The GOP is going after the Cubans too? Wow. You’d think that shitting all over the only consistent bloc of Republican Latinos would be a bad idea.

I missed that part. That is truly stupid, and conclusively proves that the GOP xenophobes are in full control.

249 The War TARDIS  Aug 1, 2014 5:50:23pm

re: #218 ausador

There is a reason why Turkey’s reputation in North Africa has slid fast.

Not tom mention the Muslim Brotherhood is heavily responsible for the current mess. The MB really needs to be designated as a terrorist entity for the instability in Egypt and Libya.

250 b_sharp  Aug 1, 2014 5:50:24pm

Oooo.
Thunder boomer.

Golf ball sized hail coming.

That’s OK, I always lose my golf balls.

251 Charles Johnson  Aug 1, 2014 5:50:52pm

re: #241 bratwurst

I’m beyond disgusted with people tossing around terms like genocide. This is a dirty fucking war, and yes, the sides aren’t evenly matched and Palestinians in Gaza are taking a hellish beating, but calling it genocide is hateful. Not to mention WRONG.

If Israel really wanted to commit genocide in Gaza, they absolutely could - they have the military means to do it for real. But they don’t, and they’re not, and it’s sickening to see people who otherwise seem intelligent saying this. So sickening I suspect we’re seeing latent antisemitism bubbling up.

252 EPR-radar  Aug 1, 2014 5:51:20pm

re: #245 Targetpractice

It’s an 11th hour vote, I doubt any of these assholes has any clue what they’re voting for. They just know it’ll go nowhere in the Senate, but will be a checkmark in the “Did Something” column.

Hopefully Cubans in the US will not be forgiving. People on the wrong end of crap like this do tend to notice it.

253 thedopefishlives  Aug 1, 2014 5:51:43pm

re: #243 Lidane

The GOP is going after the Cubans too? Wow. You’d think that shitting all over the only consistent bloc of Republican Latinos would be a bad idea.

Anything not dumpy old white male is teh ebil. I’ve never seen anything quite like this.

254 Targetpractice  Aug 1, 2014 5:51:46pm
255 wrenchwench  Aug 1, 2014 5:51:53pm

re: #244 bratwurst

But will I then have to look up their profile again if I wish to unmute?

Yes. I’m hoping who.unfollowed.me will have an option in the future to see who you have muted.

256 Charles Johnson  Aug 1, 2014 5:52:22pm

re: #244 bratwurst

In the web interface, yes, you’d have to go back to their profile page. But TweetDeck’s mute function has a preferences panel that lets you easily see who’s muted and remove them from the list if you want to.

257 RealityBasedSteve  Aug 1, 2014 5:52:37pm

re: #246 compound_Idaho

wichitawingnuts.com

They are AA you know.

we’ve got a AAA team in Nashville, The Nashville Sounds. Great entertainment for the buck, and the quality of the baseball is very very good. Those guys hustle, and you can get a great seat, something to eat / drink, and probably still have a little change left from a 20.

RBS

258 thedopefishlives  Aug 1, 2014 5:53:37pm

re: #257 RealityBasedSteve

we’ve got a AAA team in Nashville, The Nashville Sounds. Great entertainment for the buck, and the quality of the baseball is very very good. Those guys hustle, and you can get a great seat, something to eat / drink, and probably still have a little change left from a 20.

RBS

I’ve thought about going to see the Twins’ Low-A affiliate down in Cedar Rapids. It’s not that far of a drive and said to be very affordable and good entertainment.

259 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Aug 1, 2014 5:57:00pm

re: #243 Lidane

The GOP is going after the Cubans too? Wow. You’d think that shitting all over the only consistent bloc of Republican Latinos would be a bad idea.

The GOP has reached a tipping point. They will continue to become more white and more radically Christian until, I dunno, really. I don’t see much of a way for them to significantly expand. The Democrats are far from perfect and often fuck over minority allies, but they also come through for them. Obama deports a ton of Hispanics and has not made the process focus on mainly on bad-actors as he semi-promised, but he is fighting for the DREAM act and for not treating Hispanics like goddamn cattle. Obama didn’t push gay rights very fast at all, but he came through in the end and all along he did things like refusing to defend DOMA.

If there was a minority group the Democrats consistently screwed over the GOP would have a way in, but all the GOP has is their myths about how Obama is really screwing over minorities. These are lies, which minority groups know.

I think the only real way the GOP can expand is by attempting to get more white women on board but that is seeming extremely unlikely too. They’re also going to find their grip on white people slipping once Obama is no longer the presidential nominee—unless the next Democratic nominee is black or hispanic, which is unlikely but even if it did happen would really energize the minority vote and counteract the increased GOP white vote.

This doesn’t mean the GOP will lose actual raw political power in the short term, thanks to gerrymandering and fucked up campaign finance laws. Texas should be ‘blue’ already but they’ve managed to depress the hell out of the hispanic vote there. But they’re being worn away, demographically, from two directions at once: America is becoming less white, and the younger generation isn’t virulently anti-gay.

260 jaunte  Aug 1, 2014 5:57:30pm
261 Charles Johnson  Aug 1, 2014 6:00:35pm
262 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Aug 1, 2014 6:00:36pm

Also a reminder that Muslims should be, as they once were, a solid GOP voting block. If the GOP was really a ‘conservative’ party, they’d a lot of Asians and South-East Asians, too. But they’re not, they’re complete radicals, and so they alienate the hell out of groups that understand that communalism has value to it even if it’s not the be-all-and-end-all.

But really the way the GOP just threw away their solid Muslim voting block is pretty sadly funny.

263 thedopefishlives  Aug 1, 2014 6:01:53pm

re: #261 Charles Johnson

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Yeah, but the drooling braindead trolls that pass for their constituency will be appeased that they’re doing everything they can, if it wasn’t for the obstructionist Senate and that stupid n-word in the White House.

*spit*

264 RealityBasedSteve  Aug 1, 2014 6:02:00pm

re: #258 thedopefishlives

I’ve thought about going to see the Twins’ Low-A affiliate down in Cedar Rapids. It’s not that far of a drive and said to be very affordable and good entertainment.

Do it. Even low A ball those guys are good. Thing that amazed me was just how fast that ball moves on a fly ball to the outfield, and how much it’s slicing. Lot more than what you see on TV.

RBS

265 Charles Johnson  Aug 1, 2014 6:02:23pm
266 wrenchwench  Aug 1, 2014 6:03:06pm
267 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Aug 1, 2014 6:03:28pm

re: #265 Charles Johnson

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That they’ve even fucked over the Cubans here is going to ring every alarm bell that hasn’t already been rung.

268 Targetpractice  Aug 1, 2014 6:03:41pm

re: #261 Charles Johnson

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I’m wondering if Reid might be able to do as he did during the shutdown, passing an amendment on a majority vote that would substitute the Senate bill language for the House bill’s, then pass that on a majority vote as an “altered” bill?

269 Charles Johnson  Aug 1, 2014 6:03:52pm

Uh, this isn’t nonsense. Michele Bachmann really did say that. This idiot confused my post with the fake “forced labor camp” quote.

270 thedopefishlives  Aug 1, 2014 6:04:15pm

re: #269 Charles Johnson

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Uh, this isn’t nonsense. Michele Bachmann really did say that. This idiot confused my post with the fake “forced labor camp” quote.

They’ll seize on any excuse to insult you, won’t they?

271 Targetpractice  Aug 1, 2014 6:04:33pm

re: #267 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

That they’ve even fucked over the Cubans here is going to ring every alarm bell that hasn’t already been rung.

That assumes the anti-DACA bill passes. The present bill doesn’t do that, just alters the ‘08 trafficking bill to restrict refugee status to those from Mexico and Canada.

272 b.d.  Aug 1, 2014 6:05:05pm

Cat Ballou comes on TCM in 15 minutes (which is kind of ironic on a different front) John Kerry should force the Palestinians and the Israelis down to watch this movie.

It probably won’t do anything but in the confusion they may decide to hold fire.

273 Stanley Sea  Aug 1, 2014 6:05:07pm

re: #226 RealityBasedSteve

Derp is up by two, but it’s the bottom of the 6th, and we’ve got the power part of the lineup coming up.

RBS

My remedy, I hope.

274 b.d.  Aug 1, 2014 6:07:01pm

DEMS ARE THE REAL RACISTS.

275 Charles Johnson  Aug 1, 2014 6:07:38pm

re: #270 thedopefishlives

They’ll seize on any excuse to insult you, won’t they?

It eats at them that I renounced their hateful BS. Good. I want it to.

276 Stanley Sea  Aug 1, 2014 6:07:51pm

re: #243 Lidane

The GOP is going after the Cubans too? Wow. You’d think that shitting all over the only consistent bloc of Republican Latinos would be a bad idea.

Yah, Florida’s one foot dry doctrine. For Cubans only. Hatians, see ya!

277 jaunte  Aug 1, 2014 6:08:43pm
278 thedopefishlives  Aug 1, 2014 6:08:48pm

re: #274 b.d.

DEMS ARE THE REAL RACISTS.

Yeah, you keep telling yourselves that, douchecanoes. All the while, you are doing everything you can to set back racial equality. Because that’s what good white Christian Jesus-people would do. Gah, it disgusts me that these people identify with my religion.

279 EPR-radar  Aug 1, 2014 6:09:25pm

re: #251 Charles Johnson

I’m beyond disgusted with people tossing around terms like genocide. This is a dirty fucking war, and yes, the sides aren’t evenly matched and Palestinians in Gaza are taking a hellish beating, but calling it genocide is hateful. Not to mention WRONG.

If Israel really wanted to commit genocide in Gaza, they absolutely could - they have the military means to do it for real. But they don’t, and they’re not, and it’s sickening to see people who otherwise seem intelligent saying this. So sickening I suspect we’re seeing latent antisemitism bubbling up.

I think where genocide may enter the I/P situation is if the present and long-standing pattern of increasing radicalization on both sides persists for many more years. No military power on earth will indefinitely put up with violent provocations from an enemy it is capable of wiping out.

To be clear, this observation on my part is an explanation of a possible event, as opposed to any kind of justification for it.

In fact, it is to Israel’s great credit that this attempt has not already been made.

280 thedopefishlives  Aug 1, 2014 6:10:17pm

re: #275 Charles Johnson

It eats at them that I renounced their hateful BS. Good. I want it to.

I DON’T UNDERSTAND WHY ANYONE WOULDN’T WANT TO HATE ALL THE EBIL MINORITIES!!!!!!

281 jaunte  Aug 1, 2014 6:10:23pm
282 Gus  Aug 1, 2014 6:10:28pm

BEES
FOLKS

283 Stanley Sea  Aug 1, 2014 6:11:38pm

re: #267 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

That they’ve even fucked over the Cubans here is going to ring every alarm bell that hasn’t already been rung.

Marco Rubio has found himself even more on the outs.

284 RealityBasedSteve  Aug 1, 2014 6:11:46pm

re: #277 jaunte
Obama used pure Chicago Alinsky tactics to trick Republicans into voting to deport 500,000 kids

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He’s using Sith Mind Control on the Republicans. He is a Dark-Lord.

RBS

285 wrenchwench  Aug 1, 2014 6:12:06pm
286 Charles Johnson  Aug 1, 2014 6:12:43pm
287 Charles Johnson  Aug 1, 2014 6:12:57pm
288 EPR-radar  Aug 1, 2014 6:13:33pm

re: #284 RealityBasedSteve

Obama used pure Chicago Alinsky tactics to trick Republicans into voting to deport 500,000 kids

He’s using Sith Mind Control on the Republicans. He is a Dark-Lord.

RBS

If Obama were to come out in favor of drinking ethanol in moderation, how many RWNJs would blind or kill themselves drinking methanol to spite the *** in the white house?

289 Charles Johnson  Aug 1, 2014 6:13:53pm
290 wrenchwench  Aug 1, 2014 6:14:08pm
291 thedopefishlives  Aug 1, 2014 6:14:46pm

re: #290 wrenchwench

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I was raised a Southern gentleman; I have never wanted to hit a lady in my life.

Until now.

292 wrenchwench  Aug 1, 2014 6:15:39pm
293 wrenchwench  Aug 1, 2014 6:16:15pm

re: #291 thedopefishlives

I was raised a Southern gentleman; I have never wanted to hit a lady in my life.

Until now.

She’s bad, but that one is a joke. Or did you mean me? : )

294 jaunte  Aug 1, 2014 6:16:31pm
295 Charles Johnson  Aug 1, 2014 6:16:44pm
296 Floral Giraffe  Aug 1, 2014 6:17:09pm

re: #273 Stanley Sea

Salsa, lime & chips! Rock on!

297 thedopefishlives  Aug 1, 2014 6:17:11pm

re: #293 wrenchwench

She’s bad, but that one is a joke. Or did you mean me? : )

No, I meant her and the part she is playing in this evil farce.

298 b.d.  Aug 1, 2014 6:17:15pm

OK, picked up some mussels put some butter, white wine, lemon juice, olive oil, oregano, parsley, green onions, red pepper flakes and garlic and a pan til they got to know each other and turned up the flame all the way.

Added the mussels, heated up a loaf of crunchy crust ciabatta bread to soak up the lovely juices, chilled an unassuming Sav. Blanc. and popped a prescibed xanax.

I’m not quite sure how that could have been any better.

299 EPR-radar  Aug 1, 2014 6:19:11pm

re: #291 thedopefishlives

I was raised a Southern gentleman; I have never wanted to hit a lady in my life.

Until now.

I don’t want anyone to hit Bachmann. In fact, I wish her a long life in which she gets to see the complete and peaceful annihilation of the GOP and of the US conservative movement as significant national political forces in the US.

If that ends up giving her various painful and debilitating psychosomatic disorders, I’d be pleased to see karma acting in real time.

300 thedopefishlives  Aug 1, 2014 6:19:47pm

FYI, Minnesota officially apologizes for Michele Bachmann. I’m awfully glad that I stopped going to my previous church; they officially supported her from the pulpit and she has been there several times to speak.

301 RealityBasedSteve  Aug 1, 2014 6:19:58pm

re: #286 Charles Johnson

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I have absolutely NO FREAKING IDEA how anybody can find a problem with this statement, but with the hardcore wingnuts they hate Michelle even more than the President if that’s possible. I am sadly confident that they will find a way to twist this in their warped world.

RBS

302 b_sharp  Aug 1, 2014 6:20:32pm

Pork roast.
Charcoal BBQ
Rotisserie

All we’re missing is a good rub.

303 jaunte  Aug 1, 2014 6:20:33pm

This is ludicrous. The conservative caucus in the House can’t take it upon themselves to eliminate Executive authority.

304 RealityBasedSteve  Aug 1, 2014 6:21:31pm

re: #298 b.d.

OK, picked up some mussels put some butter, white wine, lemon juice, olive oil, oregano, parsley, green onions, red pepper flakes and garlic and a pan til they got to know each other and turned up the flame all the way.

Added the mussels, heated up a loaf of cruncy crust ciabatta bread to soak up the lovely juices, chilled an unassuming Sav. Blanc. and popped a prescibed xanax.

I’m not quite sure how that could have been any better.

I’m not sure it could be any better. That sounds like heaven on a plate.

RBS

305 EPR-radar  Aug 1, 2014 6:22:05pm

re: #300 thedopefishlives

FYI, Minnesota officially apologizes for Michele Bachmann. I’m awfully glad that I stopped going to my previous church; they officially supported her from the pulpit and she has been there several times to speak.

Had this church given previous hints of the bad crazy, or was the Bachmann endorsement a surprise?

306 thedopefishlives  Aug 1, 2014 6:23:06pm

re: #305 EPR-radar

Had this church given previous hints of the bad crazy, or was the Bachmann endorsement a surprise?

Oh, no. They were very obviously wingnutty. They have a whole public event dedicated to supporting Israel. The pastor was very vocal about the Prosperity Gospel (a favorite of wingnuts) and, to top it off, was from Texas.

307 EPR-radar  Aug 1, 2014 6:24:13pm

re: #306 thedopefishlives

Oh, no. They were very obviously wingnutty. They have a whole public event dedicated to supporting Israel. The pastor was very vocal about the Prosperity Gospel (a favorite of wingnuts) and, to top it off, was from Texas.

Ah. Then leaving this church was part of your transition from wingnut to non-wingnut?

308 RealityBasedSteve  Aug 1, 2014 6:25:34pm

I cheated on dinner tonight. I’ve been eating down the fridge and pantry all week, since I’m flying up to Columbus, OH on Sunday for a week to teach a SQL Analysis Services class. Won’t get back until Friday night, so I picked up a bucket of Spicy Garlic wings from Buffalo Wild Wings.

RBS

309 thedopefishlives  Aug 1, 2014 6:25:41pm

re: #307 EPR-radar

Ah. Then leaving this church was part of your transition from wingnut to non-wingnut?

Sort of. We went there entirely because the Mrs. Fish’s parents went there. When we got married and got away from her parents, we found a more moderate church to attend.

310 TedStriker  Aug 1, 2014 6:26:28pm

re: #267 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

That they’ve even fucked over the Cubans here is going to ring every alarm bell that hasn’t already been rung.

And Cubans love to hold a grudge; I’d love to see them nurse this one for decades.

311 b_sharp  Aug 1, 2014 6:27:16pm

re: #308 RealityBasedSteve

I cheated on dinner tonight. I’ve been eating down the fridge and pantry all week, since I’m flying up to Columbus, OH on Sunday for a week to teach a SQL Analysis Services class. Won’t get back until Friday night, so I picked up a bucket of Spicy Garlic wings from Buffalo Wild Wings.

RBS

Do you pronounce SQL Ess Que Ell or sequel?

312 thedopefishlives  Aug 1, 2014 6:27:37pm

re: #311 b_sharp

Do you pronounce SQL Ess Que Ell or sequel?

Yes.

313 EPR-radar  Aug 1, 2014 6:27:45pm

re: #310 TedStriker

And Cubans love to hold a grudge; I’d love to see them nurse this one for decades.

The fact that this backstab by the GOP was in a doomed bill shouldn’t cut much ice with the Cubans.

314 wrenchwench  Aug 1, 2014 6:28:53pm
315 thedopefishlives  Aug 1, 2014 6:29:17pm

Night Lizardim. Sleep tight. Don’t let the bad crazy bite. Or we’ll have to put you down. You know, for your own good. And our protection.

316 b_sharp  Aug 1, 2014 6:29:34pm

re: #312 thedopefishlives

Yes.

Around here everybody but me pronounces it sequel. Being an old fart who was around when it gained prominence, I say each letter.

317 Targetpractice  Aug 1, 2014 6:30:04pm

re: #313 EPR-radar

The fact that this backstab by the GOP was in a doomed bill shouldn’t cut much ice with the Cubans.

Like I said, the anti-DACA bill still hasn’t come to a vote. If it fails, that’ll be it. Republicans will just shrug and say that it went nowhere and they didn’t even read it.

318 b.d.  Aug 1, 2014 6:31:41pm

re: #267 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

That they’ve even fucked over the Cubans here is going to ring every alarm bell that hasn’t already been rung.

Taking Florida out of the toss up column is quite a gift.

29 gifts iirc.

319 EPR-radar  Aug 1, 2014 6:32:25pm

re: #317 Targetpractice

Like I said, the anti-DACA bill still hasn’t come to a vote. If it fails, that’ll be it. Republicans will just shrug and say that it went nowhere and they didn’t even read it.

I agree that if it doesn’t pass in the House, it isn’t likely to cause trouble for the GOP among Cubans.

On the other hand, it if passes in the House but dies in the Senate, I think that would create an opportunity the Democrats should exploit.

320 RealityBasedSteve  Aug 1, 2014 6:34:40pm

re: #311 b_sharp

Do you pronounce SQL Ess Que Ell or sequel?

Sequel…. one word. but having lived in Tennessee for 15+ years now it comes out more like “SEQEL”

321 RealityBasedSteve  Aug 1, 2014 6:36:50pm

re: #316 b_sharp

Around here everybody but me pronounces it sequel. Being an old fart who was around when it gained prominence, I say each letter.

But on the other hand, with ASP I pronounce each letter.

322 dog philosopher  Aug 1, 2014 6:42:08pm

re: #308 RealityBasedSteve

I cheated on dinner tonight. I’ve been eating down the fridge and pantry all week, since I’m flying up to Columbus, OH on Sunday for a week to teach a SQL Analysis Services class. Won’t get back until Friday night, so I picked up a bucket of Spicy Garlic wings from Buffalo Wild Wings.

RBS

which flavor of SQLs?

their lack of standardization and compatibility creates a big pain in the ass for me

323 RealityBasedSteve  Aug 1, 2014 6:54:07pm

re: #322 dog philosopher

which flavor of SQLs?

their lack of standardization and compatibility creates a big pain in the ass for me

MS-SQL 2012.

RBS

324 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 1, 2014 7:15:51pm

re: #311 b_sharp

Do you pronounce SQL Ess Que Ell or sequel?

I always pronounced it “squirrel”…

325 Mike Lamb  Aug 1, 2014 7:22:27pm

re: #298 b.d.

OK, picked up some mussels put some butter, white wine, lemon juice, olive oil, oregano, parsley, green onions, red pepper flakes and garlic and a pan til they got to know each other and turned up the flame all the way.

Added the mussels, heated up a loaf of crunchy crust ciabatta bread to soak up the lovely juices, chilled an unassuming Sav. Blanc. and popped a prescibed xanax.

I’m not quite sure how that could have been any better.

A bottle of Achouffe Blond, St. Bernardus or Duvel.

326 EPR-radar  Aug 1, 2014 7:27:26pm

FFS, what could possibly be objectionable about the straight reporting of the OP here?

Down-ding countered.

327 plansbandc  Aug 1, 2014 8:38:52pm

My teabagging friends are freaking out. Apparently using the word “folks” has given more ammunition to the terrorists.

328 CuriousLurker  Aug 2, 2014 8:54:49am

re: #241 bratwurst

Anyone else debating what to do about ordinarily solid Twitter follows who do NOTHING but tweet and re-tweet Israel/Palestinian blather? This just got retweeted to me by someone I won’t name (but more than a few of you follow this person as well):

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I think I see who you’re talking about regarding the retweet. He’s one of the (many) people I’ve unfollowed in the past couple of weeks. My timeline is much saner after all the culling, but there are still a couple more I might drop.

Obviously, one shithead writing approvingly of genocide is a far cry from millions of Israelis sharing this point of view. However, I really don’t want to engage the person who fails to see that OR the person who retweets it…life is too short for the conversation likely to ensue there.

QFT


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