Friday Night Immigration Jam: Los Lobos - Will the Wolf Survive?

All alone in a world that’s changed
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The video’s several years old and low resolution, but with the House Republicans’ vote for a deranged racist anti-immigrant bill that has no chance of passing the Senate, I can’t think of a better song for tonight’s jam than the Los Lobos classic “Will The Wolf Survive?”

Through the chill of winter
Running across a frozen lake
Hunters hard on his trail
All odds are against him
With a family to provide for
But one thing he must keep alive
Will the wolf survive?
Will the wolf survive?

Drifting by the roadside
Climbs a strong and aging face
Wants to make some honest pay
Losing to the rainstorm
He’s got two strong legs to guide him
Two strong arms keep him alive
Will the wolf survive?

Standing in the pouring rain
All alone in a world that’s changed
Running scared now forced to hide
In a land where he once stood with pride
But he’ll find his way by the morning light

Sounds across the nation
Coming from your hearts and minds
Battered drums and old guitar
Singing songs of passion
It’s the truth that they all look for
Something they must keep alive
Will the wolf survive?
Will the wolf survive?
Will the wolf survive?

(h/t: @vinayd)

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443 comments
1 jaunte  Aug 1, 2014 6:33:27pm

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2 b.d.  Aug 1, 2014 6:33:40pm

Please proceed GOP

3 jaunte  Aug 1, 2014 6:34:17pm

One of my favorites from Los Lobos.

4 wrenchwench  Aug 1, 2014 6:36:44pm

Later, lizards.

5 Charles Johnson  Aug 1, 2014 6:37:43pm

re: #4 wrenchwench

Awww.

6 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Aug 1, 2014 6:41:38pm

Keeping with the wolf theme, here’s X:

Youtube Video

My secret music weakness is plaintive mexican songs:

Youtube Video

Warning that band has been considered anti-American! Gasp shock horror.

7 Targetpractice  Aug 1, 2014 6:41:44pm

Thing about the bill passed tonight is that, in the short term, it won’t harm the GOP much and will very likely help them in November. The base will be happy that it speeds up deportations, while the moderates will shrug and accept that the House “did something” about the crisis. Look for the Beltway crowd to spend the next month talking about how Reid is wrong for not letting the bill come to a vote and the President wrong for threatening to veto it because the Senate bill died a quick death and there’s no chance the House will allow immigration reform to come to a vote before next year.

8 Stanley Sea  Aug 1, 2014 6:45:11pm
9 Charles Johnson  Aug 1, 2014 6:45:42pm
10 jaunte  Aug 1, 2014 6:46:50pm
11 b_sharp  Aug 1, 2014 6:46:55pm

re: #6 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

Keeping with the wolf theme, here’s X:

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Warning that band has been considered anti-American! Gasp shock horror.

So were the Dixie Chicks.

12 jaunte  Aug 1, 2014 6:50:03pm
13 Charles Johnson  Aug 1, 2014 6:56:14pm

re: #10 jaunte

Too much tequila? OK, well, that’s gonna hurt.

14 HappyWarrior  Aug 1, 2014 6:56:18pm

re: #8 Stanley Sea

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He has been the man slamming the GOP for their bigotry when it comes to these kids.

15 Gus  Aug 1, 2014 6:57:43pm
16 HappyWarrior  Aug 1, 2014 6:58:23pm

re: #15 Gus

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If they wanted to kill him, they would have done it already.

17 Stanley Sea  Aug 1, 2014 6:58:56pm
18 prairiefire  Aug 1, 2014 6:59:30pm

Great band!

19 Charles Johnson  Aug 1, 2014 7:00:08pm
20 jaunte  Aug 1, 2014 7:00:09pm
21 HappyWarrior  Aug 1, 2014 7:00:50pm

re: #20 jaunte

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They’re a disgusting party. And they wonder why people who aren’t rich white guys view them with such disgust.

22 b.d.  Aug 1, 2014 7:01:45pm

re: #15 Gus

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I’m more worried about Putin killing him so the US would get the blame. The dudebro rebellion would be worse than a herd of angry chihuahuas.

23 EPR-radar  Aug 1, 2014 7:01:48pm

re: #21 HappyWarrior

They’re a disgusting party. And they wonder why people who aren’t rich white guys view them with such disgust.

These days the GOP is perfectly content to wallow in a sewer and add to it. Frequently.

24 Stanley Sea  Aug 1, 2014 7:02:40pm

Disgusting GOP.

25 TedStriker  Aug 1, 2014 7:02:53pm

re: #16 HappyWarrior

If they wanted to kill him, they would have done it already.

Hell, it might still happen; when Pootie-Poot finally tires of Snowcrash, he could always have his buds in the FSB wetworks liquidate him, while President Obama and the CIA get all the blame.

A win-win for the Russian fascists and our homegrown CTists, unfortunately.

26 HappyWarrior  Aug 1, 2014 7:02:54pm

re: #22 b.d.

I’m more worried about Putin killing him so the US would get the blame. The dudebro rebellion would be worse than a herd of angry chihuahuas.

Scary thing is I think Putin would have no qualms about doing that.

27 HappyWarrior  Aug 1, 2014 7:03:26pm

re: #25 TedStriker

Hell, it might still happen; when Pootie-Poot finally tires of Snowcrash, he could always have his buds in the FSB wetworks liquidate him, while President Obama and the CIA get all the blame.

A win-win for the Russian fascists and our homegrown CTists.

Yep. Would not shock me in the slightest. Putin’s not stupid.

28 TedStriker  Aug 1, 2014 7:04:00pm

re: #22 b.d.

I’m more worried about Putin killing him so the US would get the blame. The dudebro rebellion would be worse than a herd of angry chihuahuas.

GMTA, unfortunately; see my post.

29 Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 1, 2014 7:05:32pm

Well so much for the GOP Latino outreach.

30 Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 1, 2014 7:06:39pm

I ask you has any Congress been worse than this one?

The so called greatest nation in the world, run by a bunch of fools

31 Charles Johnson  Aug 1, 2014 7:06:47pm
32 HappyWarrior  Aug 1, 2014 7:06:54pm

re: #29 Eclectic Cyborg

Well so much for the GOP Latino outreach.

There was a GOP Latino outreach?

33 Kragar  Aug 1, 2014 7:07:37pm
34 Stanley Sea  Aug 1, 2014 7:07:58pm

re: #32 HappyWarrior

There was a GOP Latino outreach?

Only to Cubans.

35 HappyWarrior  Aug 1, 2014 7:08:24pm

re: #31 Charles Johnson

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They seem eager to make the Hispanic vote as strong for the Democrats as the African American vote. Unbelievably short sighted and bigoted but hey it’s their funeral since the Hispanic population is still growing.

36 Charles Johnson  Aug 1, 2014 7:08:33pm
37 HappyWarrior  Aug 1, 2014 7:09:00pm

re: #34 Stanley Sea

Only to Cubans.

Shit, I think they’ve alienated even the Cubans at this point. Obama won the last time out.

38 Kragar  Aug 1, 2014 7:11:02pm
39 b.d.  Aug 1, 2014 7:11:17pm

re: #37 HappyWarrior

Shit, I think they’ve alienated even the Cubans at this point. Obama won the last time out.

Castro is the only reason that the GOP even pretends to like Cubans. Turn Cuba into a capitalist economy and the GOP will forget about ever liking them.

40 Stanley Sea  Aug 1, 2014 7:13:01pm
41 Kragar  Aug 1, 2014 7:13:20pm
42 HappyWarrior  Aug 1, 2014 7:14:24pm

re: #39 b.d.

Castro is the only reason that the GOP even pretends to like Cubans. Turn Cuba into a capitalist economy and the GOP will forget about ever liking them.

Yep no doubt about it.

43 Kragar  Aug 1, 2014 7:17:05pm

And yes, I’m being sarcastic with that last one

44 TedStriker  Aug 1, 2014 7:19:57pm

re: #38 Kragar

You know that the GOP isn’t going give President Obama a chance to use his recently-curtailed recess appointments; they’ll still try to use pro forma sessions, but will the Dems have the balls to formally challenge them on the quorum issue?

45 Stanley Sea  Aug 1, 2014 7:21:05pm

When I lived in Florida I was flummoxed, and upon further age disgusted about the wet foot dry foot (I recall it as the one foot in) policy for Cuban immigrants.

vs the Haitian refugees.

We locked up/sent back the Haitians who were so freaking hurting, we welcomed the Cubans. It was disgusting.

washingtonpost.com

46 TedStriker  Aug 1, 2014 7:21:09pm

re: #39 b.d.

Castro is the only reason that the GOP even pretends to like Cubans. Turn Cuba into a capitalist economy and the GOP will forget about ever liking them.

re: #42 HappyWarrior

Yep no doubt about it.

I’m sure that Sheldon Adelson and Steve Wynn would love a casino revival in Cuba.

47 Stanley Sea  Aug 1, 2014 7:22:37pm

re: #46 TedStriker

I’m sure that Sheldon Adelson and Steve Wynn would love a casino revival in Cuba.

They are banking on it.

48 HappyWarrior  Aug 1, 2014 7:23:14pm

re: #45 Stanley Sea

When I lived in Florida I was flummoxed, and upon further age disgusted about the wet foot dry foot (I recall it as the one foot in) policy for Cuban immigrants.

vs the Haitian refugees.

We locked up/sent back the Haitians who were so freaking hurting, we welcomed the Cubans. It was disgusting.

washingtonpost.com

Yeah the double standard with that policy has always bothered me. I have no problem welcoming the Cubans but we should have that approach for everyone.

49 William Barnett-Lewis  Aug 1, 2014 7:23:28pm

Thank you for posting this song Charles. It was the first thing I ever heard of those a long time ago in another life. Powerful then; still powerful now.

Continuing the theme, if you will…

Youtube Video

50 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Aug 1, 2014 7:24:26pm

re: #49 William Barnett-Lewis

littlegreenfootballs.com

51 jaunte  Aug 1, 2014 7:26:24pm

Houston outside at 9:25: Temp 83° Humidity 65%.
Frogs and screech owls are going nuts.

52 William Barnett-Lewis  Aug 1, 2014 7:27:31pm

re: #50 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

Can’t have too much X :D Or Los Lobos.

53 jaunte  Aug 1, 2014 7:29:24pm

Oops.

54 teleskiguy  Aug 1, 2014 7:33:20pm
55 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 1, 2014 7:34:52pm

laterz…

56 RealityBasedSteve  Aug 1, 2014 7:36:49pm

re: #48 HappyWarrior

Yeah the double standard with that policy has always bothered me. I have no problem welcoming the Cubans but we should have that approach for everyone.

That’s always a favorite question of mine to wingnuts, especially when they were railing about Hugo Chavez when he was their boogie-man de jour. Never could get a coherent answer that didn’t involve “Castro-Cuba-Communists-SHUTTUP”

57 Charles Johnson  Aug 1, 2014 7:36:53pm
58 HappyWarrior  Aug 1, 2014 7:38:29pm

re: #56 RealityBasedSteve

That’s always a favorite question of mine to wingnuts, especially when they were railing about Hugo Chavez when he was their boogie-man de jour. Never could get a coherent answer that didn’t involve “Castro-Cuba-Communists-SHUTTUP”

What’s more infuriating is those same wingnuts who go Castro-Cuba-Communists yada yada are the same people who think Pinochet was just peachy for Chile because ya know a capitalist tyrant is so good.

59 HappyWarrior  Aug 1, 2014 7:38:48pm

re: #57 Charles Johnson

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He’s a pathetic scumbag.

60 dog philosopher  Aug 1, 2014 7:39:32pm

my next song will be a sad number about a once proud party desperately debasing itself to hold on to a shrinking base

61 EPR-radar  Aug 1, 2014 7:39:41pm

re: #59 HappyWarrior

He’s a pathetic scumbag.

The better to lead a House GOP caucus full of the scum of the earth.

62 HappyWarrior  Aug 1, 2014 7:40:11pm

re: #61 EPR-radar

The better to lead a House GOP caucus full of the scum of the earth.

Oh yeah, he’s perfect for the job. He may be an even bigger shithead than Delay and Gingrich are.

63 Stanley Sea  Aug 1, 2014 7:40:36pm
64 Stanley Sea  Aug 1, 2014 7:42:36pm

re: #59 HappyWarrior

He’s a pathetic scumbag.

A powerless pathetic scumbag.

65 EPR-radar  Aug 1, 2014 7:42:59pm

re: #30 Eclectic Cyborg

I ask you has any Congress been worse than this one?

The so called greatest nation in the world, run by a bunch of fools

US government has been more dysfunctional than what we have today. The decade or so before the US civil war had worse everything (congress, POTUS, courts) than we have today.

However, there are probably no other examples.

66 HappyWarrior  Aug 1, 2014 7:43:06pm

These are kids. Kids who have spent their whole life here pretty much. Kids who have been working hard in their lives. Really I’d love to hear a defense of why this was the right thing to do told to these kids.

67 Kragar  Aug 1, 2014 7:43:15pm
68 teleskiguy  Aug 1, 2014 7:44:14pm

re: #57 Charles Johnson

darthstar weighed in nicely fairly recently.

69 Stanley Sea  Aug 1, 2014 7:44:21pm

re: #66 HappyWarrior

These are kids. Kids who have spent their whole life here pretty much. Kids who have been working hard in their lives. Really I’d love to hear a defense of why this was the right thing to do told to these kids.

Cause, cause…Christian Hate.

70 RealityBasedSteve  Aug 1, 2014 7:45:33pm

re: #54 teleskiguy

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I really didn’t want to like it…. I knew I wasn’t going to like it. I watched it 3 times and then posted it onto my facebook. Thank you.

RBS

71 ausador  Aug 1, 2014 7:46:12pm

Oh the horror (technically and content) that is David J. Stewart’s website…

The mighty preacher, Jonathan Edwards (1703-1758), died prematurely by insisting on receiving a smallpox vaccination that killed him in 1758. The best defense against disease is a healthy immune system. If you want to avoid potentially dangerous vaccinations and drugs for your child, find a licensed HOMEOPATHIC doctor who specializes in natural healing.

Real Unretouched Photo…Really!!! ///

Kinda makes me homesick for geo-cities circa 1992 or so…

72 Charles Johnson  Aug 1, 2014 7:46:55pm
73 teleskiguy  Aug 1, 2014 7:47:26pm

re: #70 RealityBasedSteve

I really didn’t want to like it…. I knew I wasn’t going to like it. I watched it 3 times and then posted it onto my facebook. Thank you.

RBS

I felt the same way. I really wanted to hate it, but Miley did real good!

74 HappyWarrior  Aug 1, 2014 7:49:23pm

re: #69 Stanley Sea

Cause, cause…Christian Hate.

Family values unless your family is trying to make a better life here.

75 EPR-radar  Aug 1, 2014 7:49:31pm

re: #71 ausador

Homeopathy is garbage. Total nonsense.

And the website design must keep many optometrists in business.

76 Dark_Falcon  Aug 1, 2014 7:49:31pm

Evening, all. I know I haven’t been around much. but I wanted to stop by and give a quick update after a couple people asked after me:

My lower right leg is improving slowly after it backslid a bit due to my not keeping my uric acid level low enough. Due to pain in that leg I’m still spending most of my time at home with it elevated so I’m still not online much.

I did get a big sale yesterday, and another is expected in by Tuesday, so my job is going well right now. Getting out of the drought I was in has been a great relief, though a bad night leg-wise kept me from celebrating. In times past I might have welcomed sharing a bottle of champagne at such a time, but now I’ve come to accept that my gout means I may have drunk my last glass of the stuff earlier this year. Still, I’m glad to have met some of my goals and proven to my management that their faith in me was well-placed.

77 RealityBasedSteve  Aug 1, 2014 7:49:51pm

re: #71 ausador

Oh the horror (technically and content) that is David J. Stewart’s website…

Real Unretouched Photo…Really!!! ///

Here’s the thing (ok, one thing among many things) that bothers me about homopathy. Since water has memory of what it was exposed to, then why doesn’t it also have a memory of all the various toxins, pesticides, poops and dead things that are found in water.

Maybe this was how Jesus did that whole water to wine thing. He just took one cup of wine and did a couple of 100x reductions on it.

RBS

78 calochortus  Aug 1, 2014 7:50:50pm

re: #76 Dark_Falcon

Good to hear from you. Sorry about the gout.

79 Stanley Sea  Aug 1, 2014 7:51:01pm

re: #76 Dark_Falcon

DF, we are always thinking of you. Miss you, and glad it’s getting better.

Hang in there.

80 EPR-radar  Aug 1, 2014 7:51:07pm

re: #76 Dark_Falcon

Good luck with everything, especially managing the gout issue.

81 Kragar  Aug 1, 2014 7:51:17pm

re: #71 ausador

Oh the horror (technically and content) that is David J. Stewart’s website…

Real Unretouched Photo…Really!!! ///

David Stewart is a menace to public health.

82 teleskiguy  Aug 1, 2014 7:52:19pm

re: #76 Dark_Falcon

Hey Dark! From me to you, hope you get better. Glad the work situation is in order at present time.

Oh, and your political party has descended into madness.

83 jaunte  Aug 1, 2014 7:53:54pm

re: #76 Dark_Falcon

I hope you get better soon. I had an attack a couple of years ago and got rid of it by switching to vegetarian and zero alcohol for about six months.

84 EPR-radar  Aug 1, 2014 7:54:41pm

re: #77 RealityBasedSteve

Here’s the thing (ok, one thing among many things) that bothers me about homopathy. Since water has memory of what it was exposed to, then why doesn’t it also have a memory of all the various toxins, pesticides, poops and dead things that are found in water.

Maybe this was how Jesus did that whole water to wine thing. He just took one cup of wine and did a couple of 100x reductions on it.

RBS

It’s hard to say if is better to point out the inconsistency of water memory, or flatly (and correctly) deny its possibility.

85 Dark_Falcon  Aug 1, 2014 7:54:46pm

One more post before I put my feet back up, as Russian propaganda is now catering to the ‘gun-fucking’ crowd:

Rebel Barbie?

A young blonde woman has apparently taken up arms and joined the Pro-Russian rebels fighting in Ukraine. Some of the European newspapers speculate this as some sort of propaganda move to motivate fighters. Other suspect she may be a mother due to the location of the photos, which were taken at a kindergarten that had been damaged by shelling.

Image: tumblr_n9hnb2tW6c1r9khx4o4_500.jpg

The rifle in question is an AK-74M, BTW. And no, I don’t find the above pic sexy, since those for fight on the side of tyranny are never sexy to me.

I’ll try to be back tomorrow. sorry to post and run.

86 William Barnett-Lewis  Aug 1, 2014 7:55:59pm

re: #71 ausador

Image: dilution.png

87 RealityBasedSteve  Aug 1, 2014 7:56:24pm

re: #76 Dark_Falcon

Evening, all. I know I haven’t been around much. but I wanted to stop by and give a quick update after a couple people asked after me:

My lower right leg is improving slowly after it backslid a bit due to my not keeping my uric acid level low enough. Due to pain in that leg I’m still spending most of my time at home with it elevated so I’m still not online much.

I did get a big sale yesterday, and another is expected in by Tuesday, so my job is going well right now. Getting out of the drought I was in has been a great relief, though a bad night leg-wise kept me from celebrating. In times past I might have welcomed sharing a bottle of champagne at such a time, but now I’ve come to accept that my gout means I may have drunk my last glass of the stuff earlier this year. Still, I’m glad to have met some of my goals and proven to my management that their faith in me was well-placed.

WB D-F. Glad to hear that you’re still among the land of the living, and things are sliding your direction. I had a co-worker with Gout (fairly young guy too), and I don’t wish that on anybody. I might be ok with a plague of locusts descending on you at times, but not gout… that’s not cool.

Take it easy, watch your food and drink, and hope to see you back here soon.

RBS

88 Gus  Aug 1, 2014 7:56:27pm

re: #76 Dark_Falcon

Evening, all. I know I haven’t been around much. but I wanted to stop by and give a quick update after a couple people asked after me:

My lower right leg is improving slowly after it backslid a bit due to my not keeping my uric acid level low enough. Due to pain in that leg I’m still spending most of my time at home with it elevated so I’m still not online much.

I did get a big sale yesterday, and another is expected in by Tuesday, so my job is going well right now. Getting out of the drought I was in has been a great relief, though a bad night leg-wise kept me from celebrating. In times past I might have welcomed sharing a bottle of champagne at such a time, but now I’ve come to accept that my gout means I may have drunk my last glass of the stuff earlier this year. Still, I’m glad to have met some of my goals and proven to my management that their faith in me was well-placed.

Good luck DF.

89 William Barnett-Lewis  Aug 1, 2014 7:57:32pm

re: #85 Dark_Falcon

Take care & we’ll laugh at them together sometime.

90 teleskiguy  Aug 1, 2014 7:58:00pm

re: #85 Dark_Falcon

I’ll try to be back tomorrow. sorry to post and run.

Get well soon! Lifestyle changes to save your own body are somethin’ else, I wish you all the best.

91 EPR-radar  Aug 1, 2014 7:58:45pm

re: #86 William Barnett-Lewis

That cartoon about homeopathy isn’t dealing with the real thing.

A real homeopathic insemination would have dilution levels that would ensure no sperm at all.

The result would be conception of a super-being via water memory of the sperm. //

92 Stanley Sea  Aug 1, 2014 7:59:17pm

DF is good. We all love him.

93 RealityBasedSteve  Aug 1, 2014 7:59:51pm

re: #85 Dark_Falcon

One more post before I put my feet back up, as Russian propaganda is now catering to the ‘gun-fucking’ crowd:

Image: tumblr_n9hnb2tW6c1r9khx4o4_500.jpg

The rifle in question is an AK-74M, BTW. And no, I don’t find the above pic sexy, since those for fight on the side of tyranny are never sexy to me.

I’ll try to be back tomorrow. sorry to post and run.

I like the pink combat flip-flops. Very tactical

RBS

94 The War TARDIS  Aug 1, 2014 8:00:28pm

re: #85 Dark_Falcon

Also, for some reason, she looks like a stereotypical meth-head from south of the Mason-Dixon.

95 EPR-radar  Aug 1, 2014 8:00:51pm

re: #93 RealityBasedSteve

I like the pink combat flip-flops. Very tactical

RBS

I know nothing of guns, but wouldn’t getting hot brass into the flip flops be a possible problem?

96 HappyWarrior  Aug 1, 2014 8:01:42pm

re: #94 The War TARDIS

Also, for some reason, she looks like a stereotypical meth-head from south of the Mason-Dixon.

Not enough tats but man scrawny.

97 HappyWarrior  Aug 1, 2014 8:02:08pm

re: #95 EPR-radar

I know nothing of guns, but wouldn’t getting hot brass into the flip flops be a possible problem?

Shhh we’re making gun porn here.

98 RealityBasedSteve  Aug 1, 2014 8:02:41pm

re: #75 EPR-radar

Homeopathy is garbage. Total nonsense.

And the website design must keep many optometrists in business.

it’s like they took a good effective website, and ran it through 100 copies of front page, then took that and ran it through 100 copies of GeoCities.

Even I, designed challenged as I am, go “The horror… the horror…..”

RBS

99 William Barnett-Lewis  Aug 1, 2014 8:02:45pm

re: #95 EPR-radar

I know nothing of guns, but wouldn’t getting hot brass into the flip flops be a possible problem?

Bigger problem is down the front of that low cut top. I’ve seen women get burned that way & it’s not fun or funny.

Off to work, I’ll check in later - nice having a phone that _can_ do that ;)

100 HappyWarrior  Aug 1, 2014 8:03:03pm

re: #76 Dark_Falcon

Evening, all. I know I haven’t been around much. but I wanted to stop by and give a quick update after a couple people asked after me:

My lower right leg is improving slowly after it backslid a bit due to my not keeping my uric acid level low enough. Due to pain in that leg I’m still spending most of my time at home with it elevated so I’m still not online much.

I did get a big sale yesterday, and another is expected in by Tuesday, so my job is going well right now. Getting out of the drought I was in has been a great relief, though a bad night leg-wise kept me from celebrating. In times past I might have welcomed sharing a bottle of champagne at such a time, but now I’ve come to accept that my gout means I may have drunk my last glass of the stuff earlier this year. Still, I’m glad to have met some of my goals and proven to my management that their faith in me was well-placed.

I’ll echo what’s already been said. Glad your job is going well for you. Sorry to hear about your gout problems though. That sounds painful.

101 Stanley Sea  Aug 1, 2014 8:04:02pm

re: #99 William Barnett-Lewis

Bigger problem is down the front of that low cut top. I’ve seen women get burned that way & it’s not fun or funny.

Off to work, I’ll check in later - nice having a phone that _can_ do that ;)

You are going to make me look at the link DAMN IT.

102 Archangelus  Aug 1, 2014 8:08:54pm

Ugh, 5:58 in the morning on Saturday and wake up to the sound of sirens and the sight of two rockets blown up by Iron Dome interceptors right in front of my window… 4 more booms moments later and another a minute after the sirens wind down, so seven over the city alone… sigh…

103 RealityBasedSteve  Aug 1, 2014 8:09:16pm

Anybody here familiar with / have any experience with putting a e-commerce / info site up using Wordpress? I may do a professional service trade with a SCUBA instructor who has just a horrible site. I want a platform I can knock something out on fairly quickly without getting into a lot of coding (have way too much on my plate right now to take on a consulting gig). I’d also like something that once I get the pieces in place will be easy for him to maintain / add content.

He has a very limited number of products (classes and dive trips), uses PayPal. The number and variety of plugins appeal to me.

If not, any other suggestions. Yes, I’m a coder / DB guy, but this doesn’t need a custom, it needs quick and effective.

RBS

104 b_sharp  Aug 1, 2014 8:14:52pm

re: #76 Dark_Falcon

Evening, all. I know I haven’t been around much. but I wanted to stop by and give a quick update after a couple people asked after me:

My lower right leg is improving slowly after it backslid a bit due to my not keeping my uric acid level low enough. Due to pain in that leg I’m still spending most of my time at home with it elevated so I’m still not online much.

I did get a big sale yesterday, and another is expected in by Tuesday, so my job is going well right now. Getting out of the drought I was in has been a great relief, though a bad night leg-wise kept me from celebrating. In times past I might have welcomed sharing a bottle of champagne at such a time, but now I’ve come to accept that my gout means I may have drunk my last glass of the stuff earlier this year. Still, I’m glad to have met some of my goals and proven to my management that their faith in me was well-placed.

As a fellow gout sufferer I know what pain you are in.
Take care of yourself.

105 b_sharp  Aug 1, 2014 8:17:21pm

re: #77 RealityBasedSteve

Here’s the thing (ok, one thing among many things) that bothers me about homopathy. Since water has memory of what it was exposed to, then why doesn’t it also have a memory of all the various toxins, pesticides, poops and dead things that are found in water.

Maybe this was how Jesus did that whole water to wine thing. He just took one cup of wine and did a couple of 100x reductions on it.

RBS

The magic is in the succussion. It’s like an incantation without words.

106 RealityBasedSteve  Aug 1, 2014 8:19:05pm

re: #105 b_sharp

The magic is in the succession. It’s like an incantation without words.

ok, I’m tracking now…. it’s just like a dance without movement. or a tea-partier with a brain.

107 Archangelus  Aug 1, 2014 8:19:31pm

And the fun morning continues… apparently Hamas is being quite busy, alarms over multiple cities and areas in a relatively short amount of time…

108 b_sharp  Aug 1, 2014 8:21:23pm

re: #106 RealityBasedSteve

ok, I’m tracking now…. it’s just like a dance without movement. or a tea-partier with a brain.

I speeled it wrong.

BTW, Wordpress is a quick and easy way to make a website including e-commerce.

109 RealityBasedSteve  Aug 1, 2014 8:23:51pm

re: #108 b_sharp

I speeled it wrong.

BTW, Wordpress is a quick and easy way to make a website including e-commerce.

I had played with stuff like ZenCart and Zumba before, but they aren’t really what he needs. His site would be partly informational, part sale, part graphics and vids. Thanks for the advice.

110 ausador  Aug 1, 2014 8:24:39pm

re: #99 William Barnett-Lewis

Bigger problem is down the front of that low cut top. I’ve seen women get burned that way & it’s not fun or funny.

Off to work, I’ll check in later - nice having a phone that _can_ do that ;)

I once had a .380 casing bounce off the divider between me and the next lane at an indoor range. It inserted itself perfectly between the frame of my safety glasses and my right temple. Ouch!

Nope, it really isn’t funny, although my ex thought it was hilarious at the time watching me react.

111 b_sharp  Aug 1, 2014 8:24:59pm

re: #109 RealityBasedSteve

I had played with stuff like ZenCart and Zumba before, but they aren’t really what he needs. His site would be partly informational, part sale, part graphics and vids. Thanks for the advice.

There are e-commerce & database plugins.

112 teleskiguy  Aug 1, 2014 8:25:40pm

re: #102 Archangelus

Ugh, 5:58 in the morning on Saturday and wake up to the sound of sirens and the sight of two rockets blown up by Iron Dome interceptors right in front of my window… 4 more booms moments later and another a minute after the sirens wind down, so seven over the city alone… sigh…

FFS

113 missliberties  Aug 1, 2014 8:28:22pm

How bad is it?

It’s so bad that I actually miss George W Bush who used to at least provide lip service to compassionate conservatism. Rick Perry tried that recently and almost got shot.

Sad sad day when fringe haters rule the day.

114 goddamnedfrank  Aug 1, 2014 8:31:15pm

re: #76 Dark_Falcon

Why did you downding the last thread?

115 Kragar  Aug 1, 2014 8:36:46pm
116 bubba zanetti  Aug 1, 2014 8:39:42pm

re: #103 RealityBasedSteve

Anybody here familiar with / have any experience with putting a e-commerce / info site up using Wordpress?

For Wordpress, WooCommerce with Stripe for payments.

Or just use Shopify if you want to focus on selling.

117 Rightwingconspirator  Aug 1, 2014 8:40:08pm

re: #76 Dark_Falcon

Evening, all. I know I haven’t been around much. but I wanted to stop by and give a quick update after a couple people asked after me:

My lower right leg is improving slowly after it backslid a bit due to my not keeping my uric acid level low enough. Due to pain in that leg I’m still spending most of my time at home with it elevated so I’m still not online much.

I did get a big sale yesterday, and another is expected in by Tuesday, so my job is going well right now. Getting out of the drought I was in has been a great relief, though a bad night leg-wise kept me from celebrating. In times past I might have welcomed sharing a bottle of champagne at such a time, but now I’ve come to accept that my gout means I may have drunk my last glass of the stuff earlier this year. Still, I’m glad to have met some of my goals and proven to my management that their faith in me was well-placed.

Good to see you, heal fast and well.

118 ausador  Aug 1, 2014 8:41:21pm

This guy is just too modest for his own good… /// x infinity

Ultimately, I reject sexuality because of the impurity of its reproductive process. The smartest girl I’ve ever met is a monkey compared to me, the smartest woman I have HEARD of is a child, and I am going to mix up the genes of my brain with THAT? The subhumans will find this outrageous, but the subhumans are addicted to a bunch of chemicals in the brain and can’t see beyond an orgasm, so of course they’ll be outraged; they have their eyes ON THE NEXT HIT, not on the future. And besides, their genes are so mediocre that the worst that can happen to them by mixing is more mediocrity, and if they are lucky they might even get a lucky hit. That’s why sexual reproduction is indeed a sound strategy — IF YOU ARE MEDIOCRE.

Now it’s true that in the long term, if I get a good wife, and if our children mix with other good children from good families and have many descendants, a higher race, or at any rate a higher tribe will result, as with the aristocrats of old. But there is no more higher caste to protect and nurture them today, and my son could very well pick up some plebeian slut because she is pretty. He wouldn’t be compelled to find a wife FROM WITHIN HIS CASTE, because THERE SIMPLY WOULDN’T BE ONE. Also, I wouldn’t have many children because it’s not the custom anymore. What modern wife would agree to give birth five or ten times? Also, I want immediate results, if possible, not a hundred years after I die. Ergo, the only way forward for us is cloning.

119 calochortus  Aug 1, 2014 8:45:33pm

re: #118 ausador

Modest or not, I sincerely endorse his lack of interest in sexual reproduction. I can’t imagine he’ll be cloned any time soon either.

120 ObserverArt  Aug 1, 2014 8:49:17pm

re: #76 Dark_Falcon

Evening, all. I know I haven’t been around much. but I wanted to stop by and give a quick update after a couple people asked after me:

My lower right leg is improving slowly after it backslid a bit due to my not keeping my uric acid level low enough. Due to pain in that leg I’m still spending most of my time at home with it elevated so I’m still not online much.

I did get a big sale yesterday, and another is expected in by Tuesday, so my job is going well right now. Getting out of the drought I was in has been a great relief, though a bad night leg-wise kept me from celebrating. In times past I might have welcomed sharing a bottle of champagne at such a time, but now I’ve come to accept that my gout means I may have drunk my last glass of the stuff earlier this year. Still, I’m glad to have met some of my goals and proven to my management that their faith in me was well-placed.

Good to hear from you. Good luck with the sales and the leg. Ouch.

121 RealityBasedSteve  Aug 1, 2014 8:49:41pm

re: #118 ausador

This guy is just too modest for his own good… /// x infinity

For some vague reason, I don’t think that the possibility of his genes being corrupted by having sex is a really major concern (or possibility).

RBS

122 Rightwingconspirator  Aug 1, 2014 8:50:14pm

Hey Floral,
Warm and humid enough? Yuck.

123 BeachDem  Aug 1, 2014 8:51:41pm

And as always, John Lewis sums it all up:

“Where are our hearts?” said Rep. John Lewis (D-GA), a civil rights hero, in a fiery floor speech. “Where are our souls?”

124 Archangelus  Aug 1, 2014 8:52:17pm

Right, screw this, gonna go try to get back to sleep… If another siren or rocket wakes me up, Hamas and Gaza better prepare for the mother of all non-proportional responses, cause I won’t stop until I have massive speakers play the Macarena over Gaza on a loop for several hours - future war crime charges be damned! /

125 Archangelus  Aug 1, 2014 8:53:08pm

re: #123 BeachDem

And as always, John Lewis sums it all up:

“Where are our hearts?” said Rep. John Lewis (D-GA), a civil rights hero, in a fiery floor speech. “Where are our souls?”

In the case of most of the Republicans in Congress/Senate, the former haven’t been functional in years and the latter never really existed to begin with…

126 calochortus  Aug 1, 2014 8:53:55pm

Good night lizards. Hasta Mañana.

127 RealityBasedSteve  Aug 1, 2014 8:54:35pm

re: #124 Archangelus

Right, screw this, gonna go try to get back to sleep… If another siren or rocket wakes me up, Hamas and Gaza better prepare for the mother of all non-proportional responses, cause I won’t stop until I have massive speakers play the Macarena over Gaza on a loop for several hours - future war crime charges be damned! /

Desperate times calls for desperate measures.

RBS

128 Archangelus  Aug 1, 2014 8:56:23pm

re: #127 RealityBasedSteve

Desperate times calls for desperate measures.

RBS

Well, i figure i’ll start out with the relatively tamer stuff… However, if they fail to surrender after that, it’s Yanni all the way… /

129 HappyWarrior  Aug 1, 2014 8:58:31pm

re: #115 Kragar

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Gee Bryan holding a leopard impresses you but not getting the world’s most wanted man. What are you two?

130 HappyWarrior  Aug 1, 2014 8:59:20pm

re: #123 BeachDem

And as always, John Lewis sums it all up:

“Where are our hearts?” said Rep. John Lewis (D-GA), a civil rights hero, in a fiery floor speech. “Where are our souls?”

Probably the man I admire most in all of Congress. Thank you Rep. Lewis for speaking up for these people. History will remember you fondly in more ways than one.

131 jamesfirecat  Aug 1, 2014 9:07:33pm

re: #75 EPR-radar

Homeopathy is garbage. Total nonsense.

And the website design must keep many optometrists in business.

Do you know what they call alternative medicine that has been proven to work?

Medicine.

Tim Minchin…

132 BeachDem  Aug 1, 2014 9:08:04pm

re: #130 HappyWarrior

Probably the man I admire most in all of Congress. Thank you Rep. Lewis for speaking up for these people. History will remember you fondly in more ways than one.

Truly a man among men. Like you, I admire him most in all of Congress.

133 ausador  Aug 1, 2014 9:10:50pm

Somebody has obviously seen a rerun of “The Andromeda Strain” once too often. :(

(In comments to an Yahoo article on why there no cure for Ebola yet)

The Apologist 3 hours ago
Viruses cannot survive an alkaline state. Increase your blood Ph and viruses are of no concern. That’s something the medical field will NEVER tell you because baking soda is 1000 times cheaper than vaccines and nobody profits.

Best reply is…

Dessi 2 hours ago
These are the things that happen if you actually manage to get you blood pH to be alkiline than normal:
Confusion (can progress to stupor or coma)
Hand tremor
Light-headedness
Muscle twitching
Nausea, vomiting
Numbness or tingling in the face, hands, or feet
Prolonged muscle spasms (tetany)

It seems to me you are trying to get the Darwin award.

134 Charles Johnson  Aug 1, 2014 9:20:53pm

re: #114 goddamnedfrank

Why did you downding the last thread?

Good question.

135 RealityBasedSteve  Aug 1, 2014 9:24:42pm

re: #133 ausador

Somebody has obviously seen a rerun of “The Andromeda Strain” once too often. :(

(In comments to an Yahoo article on why there no cure for Ebola yet)

Best reply is…

you know, bleach also kills virus and germs, so if you drink bleach each morning, you won’t have to worry about getting sick pretty soon.

Truth is, I do use a DIY mixture called “ear beer” to help treat and prevent swimmers ear. It’s a 95% mixture of isopropyl alcohol and white vinegar, plus 5% glycerin. The Alcohol dries out any moisture, the vinegar makes the environment acidic, so that bacteria don’t grow in it. The glycerin helps keep the ear drum flexible. It was actually developed by the Navy for their dive teams and is very effective. It’s actually based on medicine. I’ve seen homeopathic ear drops for swimmers ear, I’m in the wrong racket.

136 Lancelot Link  Aug 1, 2014 9:26:26pm

re: #129 HappyWarrior

Gee Bryan holding a leopard impresses you but not getting the world’s most wanted man. What are you two?

Well, only a truly manly man like Putin could pose with a leopard.

137 darthstar  Aug 1, 2014 9:30:11pm

Here’s an image some people may want to have around for future reference.

Derp!

Cheers, everyone.

138 Charles Johnson  Aug 1, 2014 9:31:24pm

re: #114 goddamnedfrank

It seems kind of odd to do that while pretending to be friendly, is all.

139 Charles Johnson  Aug 1, 2014 9:35:41pm

Also down-dinged the story about Colin Powell being kept in the dark about torture.

140 Charles Johnson  Aug 1, 2014 9:36:37pm

And the Chuck Todd post too.

141 teleskiguy  Aug 1, 2014 9:39:37pm

re: #134 Charles Johnson

re: #138 Charles Johnson

It seems kind of odd to do that while pretending to be friendly, is all.

re: #139 Charles Johnson

re: #140 Charles Johnson

A company man all the way, I suppose (the company being the Republican Party).

142 Charles Johnson  Aug 1, 2014 9:40:37pm

I guess it’s supposed to be some kind of passive aggressive message.

143 Charles Johnson  Aug 1, 2014 9:48:09pm

Seems to be a lot of that going on lately.

144 HappyWarrior  Aug 1, 2014 10:02:33pm

re: #132 BeachDem

Truly a man among men. Like you, I admire him most in all of Congress.

Really. From his days as a Freedom Rider to continue to fight for just causes as a member of Congress, there’s a lot to admire about Rep. Lewis.

145 goddamnedfrank  Aug 1, 2014 10:02:47pm

I’m self-censoring like a mother-fucker right now.

146 BeachDem  Aug 1, 2014 10:10:49pm

re: #144 HappyWarrior

Really. From his days as a Freedom Rider to continue to fight for just causes as a member of Congress, there’s a lot to admire about Rep. Lewis.

And just because it makes me smile…

Youtube Video

147 RealityBasedSteve  Aug 1, 2014 10:50:33pm

Night gang. Going to busy tomorrow getting ready for my trip to Columbus, OH. Catch you later.

RBS

148 ausador  Aug 1, 2014 11:11:22pm

Been going round reading a few comment threads on articles about bringing the citizen Ebola patient here to the U.S.

People are turning into fearfully gibbering idiots over the perceived threat, even at sites where most of the people are usually fairly rational. All the sudden you get people claiming that it has 100% mortality, is the most contagious disease in the world, and could spread thru our entire population in only days.

Mostly the attitude seems to be that the patient is going to die anyway regardless of the level of care and so should just be left where he/she is. Even when more rational people bring up the measures being used as safeguards during transport and full isolation of the patient during treatment they aren’t satisfied. The primary response is usually, “yeah but the two Americans were using all those safeguards and still got infected.”

They don’t seem to understand that there is a big difference between trying to treat hundreds of infected in a facility that was never designed for such a purpose and treating one patient in a specially design/built containment wing.

We still don’t know how the two Americans were specifically infected other than the fact that they had to come into contact with blood or bodily fluids from another patient. Somewhere there was a failure in sterilization or containment procedures. Which given what my imagination tells me their working conditions must have been like, really isn’t all that surprising to me.

These people need to relax and take a couple of deep breaths, the patient is not going to infect the entire country, this isn’t like a Hollywood movie.

Oh yeah, btw, if you believe the comments it is of course all Obama’s fault somehow that the patient is coming here. Or he is bringing infected people here to perform bio-warfare experiments on them. Or it is just the final and most diabolical part of his plot to destroy America!!!

149 Higgs Boson's Mate  Aug 1, 2014 11:31:27pm

re: #148 ausador

Been going round reading a few comment threads on articles about bringing the citizen Ebola patient here to the U.S. …

What else would you expect after eight years of Bushco devoting their every waking waking moment to making us afraid of our own shadows?

150 freetoken  Aug 2, 2014 12:17:37am
151 dirkdigglerjr  Aug 2, 2014 12:30:23am

Patrick McHenry used to be my representative in Washington. I remember speaking with him “off the record” on several occasions and being struck at how moderate his views actually were. Of course, for the cameras and newspapers he was and still is a flaming teabagger.

Apparently, McHenry now has decided to go full skinhead. Just check out his website.

mchenry.house.gov

Shame on you, Congressman McHenry. You have turned your back on humanity and your Catholic faith.

152 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Aug 2, 2014 2:32:05am

re: #151 dirkdigglerjr

Can you please post the links that you think prove him to be a skinhead?

153 Romantic Heretic  Aug 2, 2014 2:45:37am

re: #15 Gus

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Appropriate that the guy in the avatar is wearing a tin foil hat.

154 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Aug 2, 2014 2:50:08am

re: #151 dirkdigglerjr

Yeah, I’m sorry, I looked at his webpage and I’m not seeing any skinhead stuff there.

155 Dr Lizardo  Aug 2, 2014 2:57:20am

re: #148 ausador

While certainly an Ebola outbreak is a serious concern, one must still keep some perspective on matters.

The combined population of Guinea, Sierra Leone and Liberia is 21.6 million people; thus far, we’re looking at about 1,300 cases with 729 deaths. This particular strain is related to the Zaire ebolavirus, but it is far from the most lethal strain, this strain having a mortality rate of about 66% - the most lethal strain has a mortality rate north of 90%. While those 729 deaths are tragic, and their families have my condolences, 729 deaths out of a combined population of over 20,000,000 is not exactly the apocalypse - or Twelve Monkeys, for that matter.

Yet when I read some of the comments on various sites regarding this unfortunate outbreak, I’m seeing a lot of pants-shitting fear that the end of the world is truly upon us, we’re all gonna die, etc., etc.

People need to get a grip; irrational reactions are not helpful.

156 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Aug 2, 2014 2:57:51am

157 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Aug 2, 2014 3:00:41am

Meanwhile in Donetsk:

158 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Aug 2, 2014 3:02:10am

re: #157 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

He looks happy.

159 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Aug 2, 2014 3:04:41am

re: #158 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

1. Terrorism - check.
2. Religious fundamentalism - check.
3. Brainwashing kids - check.

DNR or Hamas?

160 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Aug 2, 2014 3:18:26am

Terrorist dwarf Motorola and his second polygamous trophy-wife:

161 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Aug 2, 2014 3:31:18am

Antifascist Donetsk Chetniks:

162 Targetpractice  Aug 2, 2014 3:58:20am

re: #155 Dr Lizardo

Like I was saying yesterday, I have the misfortune of sharing another BBS with a low information voter who apparently goes out every day looking for the most blatantly biased wingnut blog posts and then dragging them back to have screaming fits over. One of yesterday’s was some blog post about a DHS report (which it conveniently didn’t link to) saying that some agents dealing with the refugees on the border have fallen ill. The list of items is the standard stuff by now: scabies, head lice, influenza, and two agents who tested positive for TB.

The blogger apparently decided that things like “tuberculosis” and “dengue fever” were no longer scary sounding enough, so s/he decided to throw in Ebola. Yes, you read that right, we’re supposed to be afraid that an illegal immigrant from Central America’s gonna start an Ebola epidemic. When I responded with incredulity to that claim, Mrs. LIV went berserk. She’s absolutely convinced, based upon her piss-poor interpretation of a WebMD page on Ebola, that an infected person in the dormant stage is highly contagious because the page says Ebola is transferred “person-to-person,” despite it pretty clearly pointing out that such happens through contact with bodily fluids.

What’s more, despite my pointing out everything wrong with the idea of an Ebola epidemic breaking out in the US, she’s sure that I’m secretly harboring a fear that I’m wrong and that it’s entirely possible. Sure, it’s possible, but the chain of events to make it happen would be so unlikely that I’d sooner believe the world descending into a Mad Max parody. The only thing I can really compare it to is all those idiots during the 80s who were convinced that HIV was contracted through kissing, handshakes, or just swimming in the same pool.

163 Dr Lizardo  Aug 2, 2014 4:04:22am

re: #162 Targetpractice

There’s a lot of stupid people out there who are governed entirely by their fears.

Frankly, I’d be more concerned about an irrational, panicky mob causing mass deaths and chaos; that’s a more likely scenario than someone from Central America bringing the Zaire ebolavirus with them over the border - a notion that’s so incredulous, even the worst Hollywood hack would find it utterly laughable. That idea makes Sharknado or 2012 look like it was written by Neil deGrasse Tyson.

164 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Aug 2, 2014 4:07:47am

re: #162 Targetpractice

The only thing I can really compare it to is all those idiots during the 80s who were convinced that HIV was contracted through kissing, handshakes, or just swimming in the same pool.

Yep. It’s a moral, not a physical, contagion.

165 Targetpractice  Aug 2, 2014 4:13:15am

re: #163 Dr Lizardo

There’s a lot of stupid people out there who are governed entirely by their fears.

Frankly, I’d be more concerned about an irrational, panicky mob causing mass deaths and chaos; that’s a more likely scenario than someone from Central America bringing the Zaire ebolavirus with them over the border - a notion that’s so incredulous, even the worst Hollywood hack would find it utterly laughable - that idea makes Sharknado or 2012 look like it was written by Neil deGrasse Tyson.

I think too many people watched Outbreak and are convinced it was anything but a work of fiction. Is it plausible that Ebola could show up in the US? Sure, in today’s interconnected world, it’s plausible that somebody could arrive in the US in the dormant stage and then drop dead days or weeks later. But the odds of that single person coming in contact with enough people during the point where they’re most infectious, which tends to be the point where they’re bleeding from their eyes/nose/ears, to spread the virus are small. The odds of every single one of those people contracting the virus and infecting others is smaller still.

What makes Ebola so frightening, the speed and manner in which it kills, also limits its spread. Especially in a health-conscious nation likes our, where most people would give a blood-covered body a wide berth and a family would be more like to call in paramedics or rush a family member to the ER than let them die at home before cleansing the body for burial. And the first guy who showed up at the ER complaining of the flu but bleeding out his eyes would be a pretty glaring sign that something was very wrong.

166 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Aug 2, 2014 4:20:26am

re: #165 Targetpractice

abcnews.go.com

One of the aid workers is due to arrive Saturday, and the second a few days later, according to officials at the hospital. They are traveling in a private jet outfitted with a special, portable tent designed for patients with highly infectious diseases.

It will be the first time anyone infected with Ebola is brought into the country. U.S. officials are confident they can be treated without putting the public in any danger.

The Emory hospital unit is located just down a hill from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. It is one of about four such units around the country for testing and treating people infected with dangerous, infectious germs.

The unit has its own laboratory equipment so samples don’t have to be sent to the main hospital lab. Located on the ground floor, it’s carefully separated from other patient areas, said Dr. Eileen Farnon, a Temple University doctor who formerly worked at the CDC and led teams investigating past Ebola outbreaks in Africa.

The virus is spread through direct contact with blood, urine, saliva and other bodily fluids from an infected person. It is not spread through the air so it is not as infectious as a germ like the flu.

167 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Aug 2, 2014 4:21:53am

Also holy shit a straight news story about Ebola that doesn’t scaremonger.

168 Targetpractice  Aug 2, 2014 4:27:01am

re: #167 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

Also holy shit a straight news story about Ebola that doesn’t scaremonger.

Which is really surprising, considering the media’s propensity to treat every new disease and illness to these shores as the End Times. Guess this one just doesn’t carry the same scariness because they can’t throw multi-vitamins and colloidal silver at us.

169 Dr Lizardo  Aug 2, 2014 4:35:53am

re: #165 Targetpractice

I remember Outbreak - personally, I enjoyed Steven Soderbergh’s Contagion more.

I’ve seen some mention on other sites from ill-informed commentors that Ebola is some airborne pathogen; most likely, what they’re remembering is one of the films they’ve seen on the subject of pandemics, and not the actual facts of Ebola Zaire.

170 Targetpractice  Aug 2, 2014 4:41:01am

re: #169 Dr Lizardo

I remember Outbreak - personally, I enjoyed Steven Soderbergh’s Contagion more.

I’ve seen some mention on other sites from ill-informed commentors that Ebola is some airborne pathogen; most likely, what they’re remembering is one of the films they’ve seen on the subject of pandemics, and not the actual facts of Ebola Zaire.

Have not had a chance to watch Contagion yet, though I hear it’s a pretty realistic look at pandemics.

The whole business of Ebola being airborne could be based off Outbreak, or is could be one of them read about Ebola Reston and missed the part about it being limited to monkeys. There’s talk that it possibly could bridge the species barrier, or rather than it could become deadly to human already acting as hosts. But I think that’s more idle scientific speculation than anything else.

171 NJDhockeyfan  Aug 2, 2014 5:06:10am
172 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Aug 2, 2014 5:18:44am

re: #171 NJDhockeyfan

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Maskirovka.

173 Teukka  Aug 2, 2014 5:30:27am

re: #148 ausador

It’s the same story in the fora and chats I’m in (which most likely aren’t the ones you’re in).
Fear, Uncertainty, Doubt being pushed in ridiculous amounts, Obama being implicated in ridiculous amounts, how this is a “conspiracy to bring the disease to the US, let it spread, impose martial law*, round up all conservatives and kill them”
They’re literally frothing at the mouth at this point, panicking and spreading false information when the history of EBOV says that is the freaking last thing you should do!

*: They couldn’t even get “martial” right, they spelled it consistently as “marital law.” Don’t see how marital law gives the government more powers (unless they figure gay marriage is involved somehow).

In other news from my reconnaissance patrol in Wingnutistan, I observed a wingnut getting mighty upset when told “you cannot love God and hate you neighbor” (cmp. 1John4:19-20), it had this particular wingnut frothing almost as badly as over EBOV.
And no, I wasn’t the guilty one for that wind up.
Just a note, I don’t know if it is useful or not, but you may find it so.

174 NJDhockeyfan  Aug 2, 2014 5:32:08am
175 Teukka  Aug 2, 2014 5:32:59am

re: #157 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

Meanwhile in Donetsk:

Oh my freaking God. They’re down to using kids as cannon fodder?

176 NJDhockeyfan  Aug 2, 2014 5:34:55am
177 William Barnett-Lewis  Aug 2, 2014 5:35:52am

re: #173 Teukka

In other news from my reconnaissance patrol in Wingnutistan, I observed a wingnut getting mighty upset when told “you cannot love God and hate you neighbor” (cmp. 1John4:19-20), it had this particular wingnut frothing almost as badly as over EBOV.
And no, I wasn’t the guilty one for that wind up.
Just a note, I don’t know if it is useful or not, but you may find it so.

That’s a good one. I always like using the second chapter of James to tweek wingnut noses (Faith without good works is dead, you can’t not help the poor & say you love god, giving favoritism to the rich is a sin, etc)

178 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Aug 2, 2014 5:36:01am

re: #174 NJDhockeyfan

Actually those are battalion “Vostok” emblems.

179 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Aug 2, 2014 5:47:50am

Meanwhile I checked out The Socialist Gun Review’s FB page and they’re in full “blame Ukraine for MH17” mode. Scum.

180 NJDhockeyfan  Aug 2, 2014 5:47:55am

re: #178 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

Actually those are battalion “Vostok” emblems.

Vostok is no longer around. Maybe these are just kids being kids?

181 darthstar  Aug 2, 2014 5:50:41am

re: #175 Teukka

Oh my freaking God. They’re down to using kids as cannon fodder?

The kid in the middle looks super enthused.

182 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Aug 2, 2014 5:51:08am

re: #180 NJDhockeyfan

Vostok is no longer around. Maybe these are just kids being kids?

re: #180 NJDhockeyfan

Well you can use GooTr on the original article if you want more details.

kitubijca.livejournal. com/168485.html

183 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Aug 2, 2014 5:53:48am

re: #181 darthstar

Well, he actually is a volunteer, but he’s just 15. The responsible are those who brainwashed him with propaganda.

184 Dr Lizardo  Aug 2, 2014 5:54:54am

Emory University Hospital in Atlanta is ready to receive the two US Ebola patients.

Preparations are underway at Emory University Hospital to treat two Americans infected with the Ebola virus.

In a Pentagon briefing Friday morning, officials announced that the two American patients infected with Ebola will be coming to metro Atlanta. Officials say the victims, Dr. Kent Brantly and Nancy Writebol, will pass through Dobbins Air Reserve Base in Cobb County. From there, the two will be transferred to Emory University Hospital.

Sadly, somehow I’d not be surprised one jot if there were wingnut protesters there to greet them, given the RWNJ behavior as of late.

*smh*

185 NJDhockeyfan  Aug 2, 2014 5:55:00am

Ukraine: Secret service publishes Stalin files

Ukraine’s SBU security service has published “top secret”, Stalin-era files that Russia does not want to release.

186 darthstar  Aug 2, 2014 5:55:53am

re: #183 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

Well, he actually is a volunteer, but he’s just 15. The responsible are those who brainwashed him with propaganda.

He looks scared.

187 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Aug 2, 2014 5:56:52am

re: #185 NJDhockeyfan

The former republics do it from time to time. A valuable Baltic resource: kgbdocuments.eu

188 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Aug 2, 2014 5:57:08am

re: #186 darthstar

Just shy.

189 darthstar  Aug 2, 2014 5:57:34am
190 darthstar  Aug 2, 2014 5:58:45am
191 Dr Lizardo  Aug 2, 2014 5:59:41am

re: #189 darthstar

Good God Almighty, I can only imagine the frenzy if Nancy Grace were covering the Ebola story.

It would be an absolute wall-to-wall shitstorm of distortions, rumors and insane nutjob speculation.

192 William Barnett-Lewis  Aug 2, 2014 5:59:53am

re: #179 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

Meanwhile I checked out The Socialist Gun Review’s FB page and they’re in full “blame Ukraine for MH17” mode. Scum.

I gave up on him after he went full blown “I love Stalin” and “I intend to move to Russia when the Communists retake control” at LGC after the last issue.

193 Targetpractice  Aug 2, 2014 6:01:38am

re: #191 Dr Lizardo

Good God Almighty, I can only imagine the frenzy if Nancy Grace were covering the Ebola story.

It would be an absolute wall-to-wall shitstorm of distortions, rumors and insane nutjob speculation.

“WE’RE ALL GONNA DIE!!!”

194 darthstar  Aug 2, 2014 6:01:56am
195 darthstar  Aug 2, 2014 6:02:29am

re: #191 Dr Lizardo

Good God Almighty, I can only imagine the frenzy if Nancy Grace were covering the Ebola story.

It would be an absolute wall-to-wall shitstorm of distortions, rumors and insane nutjob speculation.

They’ve got Dr. Sanjay Gupta for that.

196 BeenHereAwhile  Aug 2, 2014 6:02:56am

re: #54 teleskiguy

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re: #128 Archangelus

Well, i figure i’ll start out with the relatively tamer stuff… However, if they fail to surrender after that, it’s Yanni all the way… /

Yanni, Giovanni, and then John Tesh.

197 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Aug 2, 2014 6:04:18am

re: #192 William Barnett-Lewis

As far as I’m concerned, neo-Hitlerites and neo-Stalinists occupy the same patch of the (im)moral morass.

198 darthstar  Aug 2, 2014 6:06:46am
199 darthstar  Aug 2, 2014 6:11:31am
200 darthstar  Aug 2, 2014 6:13:54am
201 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Aug 2, 2014 6:14:50am

202 darthstar  Aug 2, 2014 6:20:16am
203 darthstar  Aug 2, 2014 6:22:10am

Oh Jesus…

204 jamesfirecat  Aug 2, 2014 6:36:05am

re: #194 darthstar

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Is that what happens when a daddy armadillo and mommy ant eater love huh other very much?

205 HappyWarrior  Aug 2, 2014 6:49:59am

re: #203 darthstar

Oh Jesus…

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Damn. Of course, some people will see nothing wrong with this because they see the DP as a form of revenge.

206 Rightwingconspirator  Aug 2, 2014 7:00:39am

re: #200 darthstar

Maybe Snowden can be the guy to teach opsec to Russian troops with cell phones and an Instagram account.

207 NJDhockeyfan  Aug 2, 2014 7:04:38am
208 GlutenFreeJesus  Aug 2, 2014 7:10:16am

re: #193 Targetpractice

“WE’RE ALL GONNA DIE!!!”

209 Dr Lizardo  Aug 2, 2014 7:14:53am

Looks like the Czech Republic is about to get to hit with a major storm tomorrow, according to meteorologists.

Most of the territory of the Czech Republic will be hit by strong storms Sunday. In some regions, it will be very strong and may be accompanied by hail and wind gusts. In areas affected by torrential rain there may be a temporary rise in streams and rivers, especially the smaller ones. Today a warning was issued from the Czech Hydrometeorological Institute.

The warning applies to the territory of Bohemia and for the Highlands Sunday from 10:00 a.m. to 8:00 p.m., and for Moravia from 1:00 p.m. to 11:00 p.m.. Only in the Moravian-Silesian region do forecasters expect less strong thunderstorms with a lower degree of risk.

In areas affected by torrential rains, people should expect rapid drainage of water from hillsides, with flooding of roads and low-lying places and cellars. Meteorologists are recommending ensuring doors and windows against strong gusts of wind and removing or tying together loose objects such as garden furniture.

More intense rainfall is predicted to continue next week.

blesk.cz in the Czech language.

210 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Aug 2, 2014 7:20:32am

Here’s the thing that may become Girkin’s real undoing:

211 darthstar  Aug 2, 2014 7:36:25am
212 darthstar  Aug 2, 2014 7:37:23am
213 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Aug 2, 2014 7:40:12am

re: #211 darthstar

Such a punchable face.

214 darthstar  Aug 2, 2014 7:40:48am

re: #212 darthstar

Ha!

215 Higgs Boson's Mate  Aug 2, 2014 7:42:06am

re: #213 Rev_Arthur_Belling

Backpfeifengesicht.

216 Higgs Boson's Mate  Aug 2, 2014 7:45:54am

re: #214 darthstar

…and then I drew one mouth and just copied it.

217 Dark_Falcon  Aug 2, 2014 7:47:17am

re: #214 darthstar

Ha!

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That I’ll retweet, because badly drawn, staring eyes are a bugbear of mine. They creep me out, frankly.

218 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Aug 2, 2014 7:47:30am

re: #216 Higgs Boson’s Mate

…and then I drew one mouth and just copied it.

Dad loved his gun so much he cut off his hand and replaced it with a pistol.

219 Dark_Falcon  Aug 2, 2014 7:48:58am

re: #218 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

Dad loved his gun so much he cut off his hand and replaced it with a pistol.

I’ve got RPG rules for that!

220 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Aug 2, 2014 7:49:22am

re: #218 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

Dad loved his gun so much he cut off his hand and replaced it with a pistol.

Hand?

221 darthstar  Aug 2, 2014 7:49:28am
222 Dark_Falcon  Aug 2, 2014 7:51:52am

re: #212 darthstar

New crowdfunding project: Fund proper illustration classes for Lorna Bergman, the woman who drew that lousy image. Because I’ve seen better work from 12 year-olds.

223 darthstar  Aug 2, 2014 7:52:24am

Well, he does live there…

224 darthstar  Aug 2, 2014 7:52:57am

re: #222 Dark_Falcon

New crowdfunding project: Fund proper illustration classes for Lorna Bergman, the woman who drew that lousy image. Because I’ve seen better work from 12 year-olds.

You know her?

225 Dark_Falcon  Aug 2, 2014 7:53:51am

re: #220 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

Hand?

Specifically his left hand, because he still needs his right hand to thump his Bible, jerk himself off, and ball into a fist to wave at the TV when ever Barack Obama’s picture shows up on it.

226 Dark_Falcon  Aug 2, 2014 7:54:30am

re: #224 darthstar

You know her?

Nope. But her name is right there on the image.

227 darthstar  Aug 2, 2014 7:54:37am
228 Targetpractice  Aug 2, 2014 7:54:53am

re: #223 darthstar

Well, he does live there…

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Well hell, we’re making progress. A year ago they wanted to believe that he wasn’t even near D.C. This year, they’re admitting he was in the White House. Perhaps next year, they’ll finally acknowledge he was atop the situation and actually acting like a President should.

229 Targetpractice  Aug 2, 2014 7:55:19am

re: #227 darthstar

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230 darthstar  Aug 2, 2014 7:55:27am

re: #226 Dark_Falcon

Nope. But her name is right there on the image.

How keenly observant of you!

231 darthstar  Aug 2, 2014 7:55:49am

re: #229 Targetpractice

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I’m sure he meant ‘from Kentucky’…

232 Dr Lizardo  Aug 2, 2014 7:56:17am

re: #218 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

Dad loved his gun so much he cut off his hand and replaced it with a pistol.

Long live the new flesh.

233 Dark_Falcon  Aug 2, 2014 7:56:54am

re: #227 darthstar

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Rand Paul is the first senator from Kentucky since Henry Clay to build the kind of following that would let him run for president. Does he have Clay’s intellect? Um, no.

234 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Aug 2, 2014 7:58:48am

re: #233 Dark_Falcon

Rand Paul is the first senator from Kentucky since Henry Clay to build the kind of following that would let him run for president. Does he have Clay’s intellect? Um, no.

Remember to tone down your criticisms of possible GOP candidates because you’re just going to have to pretend you didn’t say them when they get nominated. The way that, with Romney, you talked about how he was fundamentally untrustable and not presidential material and then turned around and talked about how swell he was.

By the way, Charles asked you a direct question:

re: #134 Charles Johnson

Good question.

235 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Aug 2, 2014 8:00:17am

re: #222 Dark_Falcon

New crowdfunding project: Fund proper illustration classes for Lorna Bergman, the woman who drew that lousy image. Because I’ve seen better work from 12 year-olds.

How about a crowd funding project to get her some job retraining.

236 darthstar  Aug 2, 2014 8:03:01am

re: #234 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

I hate Rand Paul!
I hate Rand Paul!
I hate Rand Paul!
I hate Rand Paul!
He got the nomination?

It’s even got the cop-killer logo on it! How cool is that?

237 sattv4u2  Aug 2, 2014 8:05:20am

re: #236 darthstar

I hate Rand Paul!

he always speaks highly of you!!
//

238 Dark_Falcon  Aug 2, 2014 8:06:54am

re: #232 Dr Lizardo

Long live the new flesh.

In the Great Father’s Name, it seems the people here are a cell of Manei Domini, praising augmentation so highly! I’d better get to the Timber Wolf I won from their former brethren.

The surat Blakists still have nothing to match the tech of the Jade Falcons.

/Battletech riff. The pic is so cool I had to post it. More about it can be found here.

239 sattv4u2  Aug 2, 2014 8:11:42am

re: #238 Dark_Falcon

Legos on steroids?

240 Dark_Falcon  Aug 2, 2014 8:14:17am

re: #239 sattv4u2

Legos on steroids?

Not so much, though Lego did briefly sell a Timber Wolf (Mad Cat) set. The details of the build are here, but the site isn’t loading at the moment.

241 sagehen  Aug 2, 2014 8:15:52am

re: #203 darthstar

Oh Jesus…

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Why don’t they just do a heroin overdose? Surely they know the appropriate dosage, and they’ve got some in the evidence locker…

242 Dr Lizardo  Aug 2, 2014 8:16:16am

re: #239 sattv4u2

This is Lego on steroids. A full-sized X-Wing fighter built at the Lego production facility in Kladno, Czech Republic.

243 sattv4u2  Aug 2, 2014 8:17:42am

re: #242 Dr Lizardo

This is Lego on steroids. A full-sized X-Wing fighter built at the Lego production facility in Kladno, Czech Republic.

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My son has/had the retail version (just one of many Many Star Wars related Lego kits when he had at that age)

244 Dr Lizardo  Aug 2, 2014 8:18:07am

Another view, with one of the modellers for scale:

245 Targetpractice  Aug 2, 2014 8:18:16am

re: #242 Dr Lizardo

This is Lego on steroids. A full-sized X-Wing fighter built at the Lego production facility in Kladno, Czech Republic.

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When they build a life-sized USS Enterprise, then we’ll talk.

/

246 sattv4u2  Aug 2, 2014 8:19:00am

re: #244 Dr Lizardo

Another view, with one of the modellers for scale:

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I’ll show my son this when he awakens! (he’s home for a few weeks while they get his apt. ready)

247 Dark_Falcon  Aug 2, 2014 8:19:24am

re: #244 Dr Lizardo

Another view, with one of the modellers for scale:

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Complete with proton torpedo launchers, I see.

/Stay on Target!

248 Dr Lizardo  Aug 2, 2014 8:19:25am

re: #245 Targetpractice

When they build a life-sized USS Enterprise, then we’ll talk.

/

Given the ambitions of the modellers at the Kladno facility (I was one of their English teachers for awhile) it wouldn’t surprise me at all if they were planning one.

249 Targetpractice  Aug 2, 2014 8:21:33am

re: #248 Dr Lizardo

Given the ambitions of the modellers at the Kladno facility (I was one of their English teachers for awhile) it wouldn’t surprise me at all if they were planning one.

Wouldn’t be the craziest thing I’ve heard so far. For that, I have to go on Google and look at all the people who’ve spent weeks building 1:1 replicas of various Star Trek ships in Minecraft. Not just the outsides, but every single deck in realistic scale.

250 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Aug 2, 2014 8:22:12am

re: #240 Dark_Falcon

Hello, dark?

re: #134 Charles Johnson

Good question.

re: #138 Charles Johnson

It seems kind of odd to do that while pretending to be friendly, is all.

re: #139 Charles Johnson

Also down-dinged the story about Colin Powell being kept in the dark about torture.

re: #140 Charles Johnson

And the Chuck Todd post too.

251 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Aug 2, 2014 8:22:38am

DF, maybe you meant to upding these two anti-torture posts and only downdinged them by mistake?

littlegreenfootballs.com
littlegreenfootballs.com

252 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Aug 2, 2014 8:22:59am

Oh, Jesus:
In North Carolina, Praying Before You Eat Could Get You 15 Percent Off

Mary’s Gourmet Diner, a restaurant in Winston-Salem, N.C., is getting attention for its policy of giving praying customers fifteen percent off their bill. Owner Mary Haglund told The Blaze that workers have been offering the discount sporadically for about four years. “For me, every plate of food is a gift. And I never take that for granted and when I see someone in a restaurant honoring their gratefulness at my table … it touches my heart,” she said.

253 Dr Lizardo  Aug 2, 2014 8:24:23am

re: #249 Targetpractice

Here’s a model kit for you; a 1/10th scale model of the IJN Yamato in Japan.

254 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Aug 2, 2014 8:25:01am

re: #252 Rev_Arthur_Belling

Is this even legal? Can one give discounts acc. to the color of the skin?

255 Feline Fearless Leader  Aug 2, 2014 8:26:22am

re: #253 Dr Lizardo

Here’s a model kit for you; a 1/10th scale model of the IJN Yamato in Japan.[Embedded image]

Ah, before the conversion into a space-battleship I see.

256 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Aug 2, 2014 8:27:15am

re: #254 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

Is this even legal? Can one give discounts acc. to the color of the skin?

I think to be legal they have to give it to anyone who prays no matter what sort of prayer. The likelihood of which is pretty low.

Does make me happy to think of people testing the theory by going in there and screaming “I consecrate these overcooked ribs and soggy cornbreads to BAAL!”

257 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Aug 2, 2014 8:27:32am

re: #254 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

Is this even legal? Can one give discounts acc. to the color of the skin?

I am not a lawyer, so I can’t say whether it’s legal or not. But it’s typical backwoods evangelical bullshit.

258 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Aug 2, 2014 8:27:45am

re: #256 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

“Hail Satan!”

259 Targetpractice  Aug 2, 2014 8:28:08am

re: #253 Dr Lizardo

Here’s a model kit for you; a 1/10th scale model of the IJN Yamato in Japan.[Embedded image]

One of those military projects that defines the term “white elephant.” Yegods, what a monster.

260 Dr Lizardo  Aug 2, 2014 8:28:36am

re: #255 Feline Fearless Leader

Ah, before the conversion into a space-battleship I see.

Heh. It’s pretty good-sized; 86 feet long.

261 Higgs Boson's Mate  Aug 2, 2014 8:28:53am

re: #227 darthstar

McConnell calls Rand Paul “the most credible candidate for Us president since Henry Clay”

Unable to win over Blacks, Hispanics, or Asians, the GOP is aiming for a slightly smaller minority group; Americans with roadkill stapled to their heads. It could work.

262 Targetpractice  Aug 2, 2014 8:29:39am

re: #258 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

“Hail Satan!”

“Ia! Ia! Cthulhu fhtagn!”

263 Dr Lizardo  Aug 2, 2014 8:30:37am

re: #259 Targetpractice

One of those military projects that defines the term “white elephant.” Yegods, what a monster.

There were plans for a bigger one, apparently.

264 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Aug 2, 2014 8:30:44am

re: #262 Targetpractice

“[insert a recognizably Muslim prayer here]”

265 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Aug 2, 2014 8:31:30am

re: #264 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

“[or even better, insert a Christian prayer in Arabic here]”

266 Dark_Falcon  Aug 2, 2014 8:31:38am

re: #248 Dr Lizardo

Given the ambitions of the modellers at the Kladno facility (I was one of their English teachers for awhile) it wouldn’t surprise me at all if they were planning one.

Well, a fellow in England did make a large scale model of HMS Hood.

flickr.com

267 Skip Intro  Aug 2, 2014 8:32:02am

268 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Aug 2, 2014 8:32:45am

re: #267 Skip Intro

FU
///

269 RealityBasedSteve  Aug 2, 2014 8:33:09am

re: #262 Targetpractice

“Ia! Ia! Cthulhu fhtagn!”

That might be awkward if you order calamari.

RBS

270 Lidane  Aug 2, 2014 8:33:34am

re: #252 Rev_Arthur_Belling

Oh, Jesus:
In North Carolina, Praying Before You Eat Could Get You 15 Percent Off

Yep. My “constitutional conservative” friend is derping about that this morning.He’s! Using! Lots! Of! Exclamation! Points! to mock how he thinks liberals will react to this and sneering that anyone who doesn’t like it should just eat elsewhere.

I figure that I’d have to fly to North Carolina to be offended by that. There’s plenty around here in Texas to piss me off. I don’t need any outrage from outside the state border.

271 Targetpractice  Aug 2, 2014 8:33:36am

re: #263 Dr Lizardo

There were plans for a bigger one, apparently.

Ayep, known only as “Super-Yamato.” For when you look at a military’s budget and say “I’m not burning money and materials fast enough!”

272 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Aug 2, 2014 8:34:24am

re: #269 RealityBasedSteve

No more awkward than a communion ///

273 Dr Lizardo  Aug 2, 2014 8:35:14am

re: #266 Dark_Falcon

Well, a fellow in England did make a large scale model of HMS Hood.

flickr.com

Nice.

I think James Cameron’s set for his film Titanic has to be one of the biggest ‘models’ I can think of.

274 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Aug 2, 2014 8:35:18am

re: #266 Dark_Falcon

So you’re just determined to ignore Charles calling you out?

Thought you had slightly better manners than that.

275 Skip Intro  Aug 2, 2014 8:35:19am

So the GOP is beginning the final solution of the (brown) immigrant question. Deportations first, and if they don’t go? Well, the Germans had an answer to that.

276 Dark_Falcon  Aug 2, 2014 8:36:45am

re: #253 Dr Lizardo

Here’s a model kit for you; a 1/10th scale model of the IJN Yamato in Japan.[Embedded image]

There’s already a large to-scale model of HIJMS Yamato.

277 allegro  Aug 2, 2014 8:37:28am

re: #267 Skip Intro

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Well that was disturbing. O_o

278 Skip Intro  Aug 2, 2014 8:38:36am

re: #277 allegro

Well that was disturbing. O_o

The GOP is disturbing - very disturbing.

279 Dr Lizardo  Aug 2, 2014 8:39:12am

re: #276 Dark_Falcon

There’s already a large to-scale model of HIJMS Yamato.

My dad always said the Yamato was one of the most beautiful capital ships he’d ever seen, and it was too bad we had to sink it.

Mind you, he was only seeing it in combat, but he still appreciated it. He considered her a testament to the Japanese Navy and the men who sailed on her.

280 nsmith25  Aug 2, 2014 8:39:23am

re: #252 Rev_Arthur_Belling

Oh, Jesus:
In North Carolina, Praying Before You Eat Could Get You 15 Percent Off

PRAYER RUGS 4 JESUS

281 Targetpractice  Aug 2, 2014 8:39:38am

re: #278 Skip Intro

The GOP is disturbing - very disturbing.

Wrong tense. You meant “disturbed,” as in very disturbed.

282 Dark_Falcon  Aug 2, 2014 8:41:37am

Upstaging the Yamato model in my mind is this model of the USS Intrepid.

Why does the Intrepid upstage the Yamato? Because her aircraft bombed Yamato more than once and it was US carrier airpower that sent Yamato to the bottom of the Pacific.

And yes there’s some waving of the American flag involved in my saying that, but its not problematic in this case.

283 Skip Intro  Aug 2, 2014 8:41:40am

re: #270 Lidane

Yep. My “constitutional conservative” friend is derping about that this morning.He’s! Using! Lots! Of! Exclamation! Points! to mock how he thinks liberals will react to this and sneering that anyone who doesn’t like it should just eat elsewhere.

I figure that I’d have to fly to North Carolina to be offended by that. There’s plenty around here in Texas to piss me off. I don’t need any outrage from outside the state border.

“Could” get a discount? I guess you have to pray to the “right” deity.

This guy has the right idea, though.

284 Dark_Falcon  Aug 2, 2014 8:42:13am

re: #279 Dr Lizardo

My dad always said the Yamato was one of the most beautiful capital ships he’d ever seen, and it was too bad we had to sink it.

Mind you, he was only seeing it in combat, but he still appreciated it. He considered her a testament to the Japanese Navy and the men who sailed on her.

When did he face her?

285 Targetpractice  Aug 2, 2014 8:44:29am

re: #279 Dr Lizardo

My dad always said the Yamato was one of the most beautiful capital ships he’d ever seen, and it was too bad we had to sink it.

Mind you, he was only seeing it in combat, but he still appreciated it. He considered her a testament to the Japanese Navy and the men who sailed on her.

Yamato truly was a thing of beauty. But I guess she’d have to be, for all the resources they poured into her and her sisters. Like Bismark and her sister, you could have built a fleet of more capable of destroyers or cruisers for what went into them.

286 Dark_Falcon  Aug 2, 2014 8:44:47am

re: #274 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

So you’re just determined to ignore Charles calling you out?

Thought you had slightly better manners than that.

After further review the downding on the preceding thread was inappropriate, given that Charles’ characterization of the reaction to the response to Obama was accurate.

I stand by the other downding, as I do not view the Bush administrator as having been “morally bankrupt”.

287 Dr Lizardo  Aug 2, 2014 8:45:12am

re: #284 Dark_Falcon

When did he face her?

In April 1945; he was a TBF Avenger pilot from the USS Hornet. It was the battle where she sank. His torpedo was one of them that took out her stern; it was before she rolled and sank.

288 ObserverArt  Aug 2, 2014 8:45:25am

re: #147 RealityBasedSteve

Night gang. Going to busy tomorrow getting ready for my trip to Columbus, OH. Catch you later.

RBS

Hey…just saw this. What do you have going on here in our fair city? Hope you have a good time…whatever it is.

289 Dark_Falcon  Aug 2, 2014 8:46:16am

re: #285 Targetpractice

Yamato truly was a thing of beauty. But I guess she’d have to be, for all the resources they poured into her and her sisters. Like Bismark and her sister, you could have built a fleet of more capable of destroyers or cruisers for what went into them.

Well, the IJN had the good sense to convert the 3rd ship in the class, HIJMS Shinano, into an aircraft carrier, but USS Archerfish put paid to her.

290 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Aug 2, 2014 8:47:15am

re: #286 Dark_Falcon

After further review the downding on the preceding thread was inappropriate, given that Charles’ characterization of the reaction to the response to Obama was accurate.

I stand by the other downding, as I do not view the Bush administrator as having been “morally bankrupt”.

Do you approve of them lying to Colin Powell and keeping him in the dark about our torture program?

Also, what about the Chuck Todd downding? Moreover, what the fuck do you think you’re accomplishing with this stealth downding campaign? If you have a problem with what’s said, why not state your objection?

291 sattv4u2  Aug 2, 2014 8:50:06am

re: #290 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

what the fuck do you think you’re accomplishing with this stealth downding campaign? If you have a problem with what’s said, why not state your objection?

You’re kidding, right? Dark (and others) get “stealth downdinged” EVERY DAY without the dinger stating objections

SteelePH for one. And i’ve called him out on it several times

Answer??,,,, crickets!!

292 Targetpractice  Aug 2, 2014 8:50:38am

re: #289 Dark_Falcon

Well, the IJN had the good sense to convert the 3rd ship in the class, HIJMS Shinano, into an aircraft carrier, but USS Archerfish put paid to her.

Yeah, but that’s not really during the Yamato-class justice. Shinano was a hasty conversion of a ship that was already experiencing construction delays and material shortages. Add in an inexperienced crew and the Japanese Navy’s rather poor damage control at that time and you had a recipe for a disaster.

Certainly wasn’t the first or last Japanese carrier that went to the bottom due to bad design and/or construction.

293 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Aug 2, 2014 8:50:56am

re: #291 sattv4u2

Do you think there’s a difference between SteelPH and Charles?

And between you and Charles?

294 Dark_Falcon  Aug 2, 2014 8:51:03am

re: #287 Dr Lizardo

In April 1945; he was a TBF Avenger pilot from the USS Hornet. It was the battle where she sank. His torpedo was one of them that took out her stern; it was before she rolled and sank.

Well, he could appreciate her with less fear than a surface ship would have, since Yamato’s anti-aircraft systems were relatively poor.

Her 5-inch dual-purpose guns were good enough as guns, but their fire control system was not up to par. The 25mm Hotchkiss AA cannon was the worst light AA cannon of World War II. And unlike Germany and Italy, Japan never was able to field a 37mm or 40mm medium AA cannon, and its navy paid a high price for that failure.

295 sattv4u2  Aug 2, 2014 8:52:27am

re: #293 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

Do you think there’s a difference between SteelPH and Charles?

Lessee

They have different names. They probably have different addresses, I would assume. Different wardrobes, diets, preferences in cars, sports,

Yeah,,, theres differeneces!

296 Dark_Falcon  Aug 2, 2014 8:54:41am

re: #292 Targetpractice

Yeah, but that’s not really during the Yamato-class justice. Shinano was a hasty conversion of a ship that was already experiencing construction delays and material shortages. Add in an inexperienced crew and the Japanese Navy’s rather poor damage control at that time and you had a recipe for a disaster.

Certainly wasn’t the first or last Japanese carrier that went to the bottom due to bad design and/or construction.

The IJN had never had good carrier damage control, with the conspicuous exception of the Shokaku, which was hit hard at both Coral Sea and Santa Cruz and survived.

297 Dark_Falcon  Aug 2, 2014 8:55:03am

re: #291 sattv4u2

what the fuck do you think you’re accomplishing with this stealth downding campaign? If you have a problem with what’s said, why not state your objection?

You’re kidding, right? Dark (and others) get “stealth downdinged” EVERY DAY without the dinger stating objections

SteelePH for one. And i’ve called him out on it several times

Answer??,,,, crickets!!

Thank you for that.

298 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Aug 2, 2014 8:55:59am

re: #295 sattv4u2

Sorry, I forget that you’re professionally obtuse.

This is Charles’ blog. It’s not your blog. Basic, common politeness says that if you’re going to come into someone else’s blog and basically say “You’re wrong” that you explain yourself. I also think that, in general, most downdings should be explained, but in your case the explanation is usually the same: Your tiresome, predictable fake obtuseness.

299 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Aug 2, 2014 8:57:06am

re: #297 Dark_Falcon

Thank you for that.

Are you going to answer what you think of Powell being kept out of the loop about the US’s use of torture?

300 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Aug 2, 2014 8:57:26am

re: #286 Dark_Falcon

After further review the downding on the preceding thread was inappropriate, given that Charles’ characterization of the reaction to the response to Obama was accurate.

I stand by the other downding, as I do not view the Bush administrator as having been “morally bankrupt”.

So torture is morally OK. Understood.

301 RealityBasedSteve  Aug 2, 2014 8:58:02am

re: #288 ObserverArt

Hey…just saw this. What do you have going on here in our fair city? Hope you have a good time…whatever it is.

I’m going to be up teaching a class for a week. Up on the north side, off of Polaris Parkway. Should be fun.

RBS

302 Dark_Falcon  Aug 2, 2014 8:58:16am

re: #290 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

Obdi, sometimes when I see a thread I seriously disagree with, I’ll downding it. But I’m not going to post on a dead thread just because I don’t like its topic. That’s just too lame for my taste.

As to what I’m trying to accomplish, I was not trying to accomplish anything. I was just giving my opinion via the karma system.

303 Targetpractice  Aug 2, 2014 8:58:21am

re: #296 Dark_Falcon

The IJN had never had good carrier damage control, with the conspicuous exception of the Shokaku, which was hit hard at both Coral Sea and Santa Cruz and survived.

They did have some crews who did amazing work. HIJMS Aoba was confirmed sunk at least three times and yet she kept coming back. Finally ended up getting partially sunk in Kure harbor and turned into a floating AA platform.

304 Dark_Falcon  Aug 2, 2014 8:59:03am

re: #299 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

Are you going to answer what you think of Powell being kept out of the loop about the US’s use of torture?

No, I’m not.

305 sattv4u2  Aug 2, 2014 8:59:38am

re: #297 Dark_Falcon

Thank you for that.

Don’t get me wrong. He has a point (to a point) wrt Charles

But the OUTRAGE, the harassing and demanding you answer is laughable ESPECIALLY in that it’s NOT Charles hounding you about it. From what I see, he asked ONCE and (like a normal person) let it go

306 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Aug 2, 2014 9:01:35am

re: #302 Dark_Falcon

Obdi, sometimes when I see a thread I seriously disagree with, I’ll downding it. But I’m not going to post on a dead thread just because I don’t like its topic. That’s just too lame for my taste.

How is it more lame to post than just to downding?

As to what I’m trying to accomplish, I was not trying to accomplish anything. I was just giving my opinion via the karma system.

See, downdings are a pretty imprecise tool. When Killgore is being an ass again or Satt is being professionally obtuse, they’re sufficient, but you really think that a downding is a coherent ‘opinion’ to a revelation that Colin Powell was deceived about the US’s use of torture?

re: #304 Dark_Falcon

No, I’m not.

Why not?

307 Dark_Falcon  Aug 2, 2014 9:06:07am

re: #303 Targetpractice

They did have some crews who did amazing work. HIJMS Aoba was confirmed sunk at least three times and yet she kept coming back. Finally ended up getting partially sunk in Kure harbor and turned into a floating AA platform.

The first time being at the Battle of Cape Esperance, when she served as Admiral Goto’s flagship and he stupidly let Admiral Scott ‘cap the T’ on him. The Wiki article actually has a picture of Aoba after the pounding she took in that battle.

Cape Esperance also saw Japan lose the destroyer Fubuki, nameship of her ‘Special Type’ class. Fubuki’s loss was unusual as half of her crew, 110 men, surrendered and were rescued by the USN. It was one of the largest Japanese surrenders of the war, which says a great deal about the fanaticism with which Japan fought.

308 Dark_Falcon  Aug 2, 2014 9:07:40am

re: #306 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

Why not is because I don’t want to go over the actions taken by the second Bush administration this morning.

309 Feline Fearless Leader  Aug 2, 2014 9:08:40am

re: #263 Dr Lizardo

There were plans for a bigger one, apparently.

Everyone had plans for a “bigger” one in that time period.

USN
en.wikipedia.org

Germany
en.wikipedia.org

UK
en.wikipedia.org

310 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Aug 2, 2014 9:10:50am

re: #308 Dark_Falcon

Why not is because I don’t want to go over the actions taken by the second Bush administration this morning.

Or, I’d venture, ever.

311 Targetpractice  Aug 2, 2014 9:11:10am

re: #309 Feline Fearless Leader

Everyone had plans for a “bigger” one in that time period.

USN
en.wikipedia.org

Germany
en.wikipedia.org

UK
en.wikipedia.org

Well, these were the days when they still very seriously believed that battleships would remain the capital ship of any strong navy. One can only wonder at how the Pacific War might have played out had the attack on Battleship Row failed and the US Navy had not had to rely on its carriers for their offensive punch.

312 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Aug 2, 2014 9:12:18am

re: #311 Targetpractice

You know what we haven’t discussed? The failure of the tank destroyer as a design. Tank destroyers were an unnecessary role that should have been occupied either by field artillery like the 88 or by tanks.

313 Feline Fearless Leader  Aug 2, 2014 9:14:23am

re: #312 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

You know what we haven’t discussed? The failure of the tank destroyer as a design. Tank destroyers were an unnecessary role that should have been occupied either by field artillery like the 88 or by tanks.

You mean the TD in US Army doctrine? Or the German use of assault gun/tank hunter units as independent battalions attached as needed to supplement the sometime meager anti-tank capability of non-armored units?

314 Dark_Falcon  Aug 2, 2014 9:14:34am

Here’s another Lego model, this time of the USS Missouri. Her class pulled the best of the other two capital ships whose models I posted together, able to stand and fight like the Yamato while being fast like the Hood. The Iowa-class have all been preserved, which is fitting for the ultimate class of battleship.

315 Dark_Falcon  Aug 2, 2014 9:15:36am

re: #312 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

You know what we haven’t discussed? The failure of the tank destroyer as a design. Tank destroyers were an unnecessary role that should have been occupied either by field artillery like the 88 or by tanks.

Whose TDs, Obdi? Those of the US, the British, the Germans, or the Soviet Union?

316 William Barnett-Lewis  Aug 2, 2014 9:17:58am

re: #311 Targetpractice

Well, these were the days when they still very seriously believed that battleships would remain the capital ship of any strong navy. One can only wonder at how the Pacific War might have played out had the attack on Battleship Row failed and the US Navy had not had to rely on its carriers for their offensive punch.

The Japanese had a battle plan that counted on luring the US Battle fleet into an ambush the Marshall or Solomon Islands areas. Draw them in, encircle them and then chew them up with airpower. Once suitably weakened the battleships would finish off the US fleet.

Humorously, that was almost exactly the same plan the US Navy had prior to WWII, but with the presumption that _our_ battleships would be superior to those of the supposedly nearsighted, lower tech, IJN.

Everyone wanted the One Big Clash. Closest they came was at The Battle of Surigao Strait when the old BB’s, many veterans of Pearl, would cross Nishimura’s “T”.

It’s arguable that the US disaster at Pearl Harbor was one of the best things to ever happen to the US Navy…

317 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Aug 2, 2014 9:18:10am

re: #315 Dark_Falcon

Whose TDs, Obdi? Those of the US, the British, the Germans, or the Soviet Union?

All tank destroyers. They were all wrong.

re: #313 Feline Fearless Leader

You mean the TD in US Army doctrine? Or the German use of assault gun/tank hunter units as independent battalions attached as needed to supplement the sometime meager anti-tank capability of non-armored units?

I mean the actual physical vehicle, the ‘tank destroyer’. Neither fish nor fowl.

318 Targetpractice  Aug 2, 2014 9:18:11am

re: #315 Dark_Falcon

Whose TDs, Obdi? Those of the US, the British, the Germans, or the Soviet Union?

They were all equally bad, at least to start with. US built them light because they thought they wouldn’t need to stand up to sustained fire, the Brits built them so damned heavy that they were land-going battleships, the Germans just slapped whatever moderately successful gun they had on an obsolete tank chassis, and the Soviets built mobile gun emplacements that could just park in the middle of a road and blast anything that got close.

319 darthstar  Aug 2, 2014 9:22:30am

320 Targetpractice  Aug 2, 2014 9:22:48am

re: #316 William Barnett-Lewis

The Japanese had a battle plan that counted on luring the US Battle fleet into an ambush the Marshall or Solomon Islands areas. Draw them in, encircle them and then chew them up with airpower. Once suitably weakened the battleships would finish off the US fleet.

Humorously, that was almost exactly the same plan the US Navy had prior to WWII, but with the presumption that _our_ battleships would be superior to those of the supposedly nearsighted, lower tech, IJN.

Everyone wanted the One Big Clash. Closest they came was at The Battle of Surigao Strait when the old BB’s, many veterans of Pearl, would cross Nishimura’s “T”.

It’s arguable that the US disaster at Pearl Harbor was one of the best things to ever happen to the US Navy…

There were a lot of lucky breaks with Pearl Harbor, not the least of which was that the carriers were all out to sea at the time. And that Yamamoto didn’t launch the full series of planned attacks, which would have likely knocked out Pearl’s oil supplies and left the US Navy scrambling to keep their ships fed in the early confrontations.

But you’re right about how there was the plan for the “One Big Battle.” Hell, that was Yamamoto’s entire battle strategy, put the pieces into place for a battle that would so badly cripple the US Navy that by the time we’d rebuilt our numbers, the Imperial Army would have dug in too deep and we’d be stuck suing for peace.

321 Dark_Falcon  Aug 2, 2014 9:23:53am

re: #317 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

All tank destroyers. They were all wrong.

I dunno, the SU-100 worked quite well, as did the Jagdpanther. Of course, of the two of them the Jagdpanther was superior on paper, but the SU-100 was better in actual field conditions. Several SU-100s that helped stop a German attack south of Budapest in March 1945 then proceeded to be driven all the way to Vienna. It is unlikely any Jagdpanther could have made that road march without breaking down at least once.

322 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Aug 2, 2014 9:23:58am

re: #319 darthstar

Why is the tree an asshole?

323 sattv4u2  Aug 2, 2014 9:25:20am

re: #322 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

Why is the tree an asshole?

Are you kidding? Look at the branches! EMPTY. Not a colored Easter Egg hanging on any of them!!

324 William Barnett-Lewis  Aug 2, 2014 9:25:37am

re: #312 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

You know what we haven’t discussed? The failure of the tank destroyer as a design. Tank destroyers were an unnecessary role that should have been occupied either by field artillery like the 88 or by tanks.

The idea was that tanks were best used to support infantry or exploit openings. Not fight other tanks. This grew out of the idiocy of the interwar era putting what little armor development that was allowed (not much) under Infantry Branch. Of course tanks were supposed to support the infantry!

Instead we wanted something else to fight against tanks and, as a result, we put all the good AT guns on lighter & faster vehicles. We learned that was a mistake fairly fast in North Africa and the T26/M26 Pershing did reflect those lessons. Unfortunately Patton’s ego got in the way and US troops were stuck with the M4 & M10 going into Normandy.

At least the M18 Hellcat was actually fast enough to pull off the “Shoot & Scoot” tactics. Had it been armed with the M36’s 90mm & if it had a roof on the turret it might well have been as useful as something like the Hetzer.

325 sattv4u2  Aug 2, 2014 9:26:09am

re: #322 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

re: #323 sattv4u2

Are you kidding? Look at the branches! EMPTY. Not a colored Easter Egg hanging on any of them!!

Image: easter-egg-tree.png

326 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Aug 2, 2014 9:26:46am

re: #321 Dark_Falcon

I dunno, the SU-100 worked quite well, as did the Jagdpanther. Of course, of the two of them the Jagdpanther was superior on paper, but the SU-100 was better in actual field conditions. Several SU-100s that helped stop a German attack south of Budapest in March 1945 then proceeded to be driven all the way to Vienna. It is unlikely any Jagdpanther could have made that road march without breaking down at least once.

Did they work better than a tank?

327 Feline Fearless Leader  Aug 2, 2014 9:27:43am

re: #317 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

All tank destroyers. They were all wrong.

I mean the actual physical vehicle, the ‘tank destroyer’. Neither fish nor fowl.

I would beg to disagree. As the tanks got larger and more heavily armored the anti-tank gun had to get larger as well - and soon needed a larger prime mover in order to be moved around.* Wanting the mobility to be able to get the units in place you saw compromise things using trucks (portee) and halftracks. Both of which proved a bit too vulnerable.

The US went to something that looked like a full-fledged tank with a turret, etc. But traded off armor for speed, while carrying a gun better suited for anti-tank work than the standard tank at the time. (M10 better gun than M4A1; M36 better gun than M4A3, etc.) The doctrine didn’t really hold up in Europe - few tank vs tank battles, more need for HE support, open-top vehicle vulnerabilities, etc.

The Germans and Soviets were looking for a cheap way to supply firepower. So they put field guns, and soon anti-tank guns onto chassis that could only take that gun as a fixed mount. Some open-topped (SU-76, Marder series, Hummel, Wespe), while others that were more directly intended for heavier work got fully enclosed and heavier base armor (SU-85, Jagdpanzer IV, Stug III, etc.)

And the Stug-III units in the German Army actually belonged to the Artillery, and not the Panzer Corps.

328 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Aug 2, 2014 9:28:20am

re: #324 William Barnett-Lewis

Also, infantry make perfectly good tank-killers if you give them something good (panzerfausts) to fight with and not ‘sorry if I scratched your paint” bazookas.

329 Targetpractice  Aug 2, 2014 9:30:07am

re: #324 William Barnett-Lewis

The idea was that tanks were best used to support infantry or exploit openings. Not fight other tanks. This grew out of the idiocy of the interwar era putting what little armor development that was allowed (not much) under Infantry Branch. Of course tanks were supposed to support the infantry!

Instead we wanted something else to fight against tanks and, as a result, we put all the good AT guns on lighter & faster vehicles. We learned that was a mistake fairly fast in North Africa and the T26/M26 Pershing did reflect those lessons. Unfortunately Patton’s ego got in the way and US troops were stuck with the M4 & M10 going into Normandy.

At least the M18 Hellcat was actually fast enough to pull off the “Shoot & Scoot” tactics. Had it been armed with the M36’s 90mm & if it had a roof on the turret it might well have been as useful as something like the Hetzer.

Of course, much of that thinking was due to generals either thinking that The Great War would truly be the war to end all wars or that future wars would be trench wars and that tanks would play the same role there as they had in the last days of WWI. Hence why so many tanks were built around machine guns or light field guns, because they didn’t expect to have to fight anything more armored than a man on foot. The M4’s gun was really more suited as an artillery piece than it was for busting through armor.

Wasn’t until the Germans demonstrated with their blitzkrieg tactics that large amounts of armor with mechanized troops in support was the way forward.

330 William Barnett-Lewis  Aug 2, 2014 9:30:21am

re: #326 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

Did they work better than a tank?

In the sense that they put the 100mm ATG on a mobile platform that could be used where they needed it for lower cost (hence higher production numbers) than could be done by the Soviet Union with tanks (see the problems with the JSIII & T44) , I would give them a qualified yes.

The JS series was a bugaboo to the west for decades but was never all that good a tank. The M44, debugged, became the T54/T55 series which remains one of the best tank designs ever but that was several years after the war.

331 Feline Fearless Leader  Aug 2, 2014 9:31:15am

re: #324 William Barnett-Lewis

The idea was that tanks were best used to support infantry or exploit openings. Not fight other tanks. This grew out of the idiocy of the interwar era putting what little armor development that was allowed (not much) under Infantry Branch. Of course tanks were supposed to support the infantry!

Instead we wanted something else to fight against tanks and, as a result, we put all the good AT guns on lighter & faster vehicles. We learned that was a mistake fairly fast in North Africa and the T26/M26 Pershing did reflect those lessons. Unfortunately Patton’s ego got in the way and US troops were stuck with the M4 & M10 going into Normandy.

At least the M18 Hellcat was actually fast enough to pull off the “Shoot & Scoot” tactics. Had it been armed with the M36’s 90mm & if it had a roof on the turret it might well have been as useful as something like the Hetzer.

You also have to remember that in the 1938-1940 time you get that weird split with 37-40mm high velocity being carried for anti-tank and other tanks carried a 75mm low velocity gun to toss HE. Or some monster to carry both guns at the same time. You don’t really get both in the same package until the T-34, Sherman, and later model Pz-IV.

332 Feline Fearless Leader  Aug 2, 2014 9:31:45am

re: #326 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

Did they work better than a tank?

In some roles arguably as good. And much cheaper and simpler to build.

333 Targetpractice  Aug 2, 2014 9:32:14am

re: #327 Feline Fearless Leader

I would beg to disagree. As the tanks got larger and more heavily armored the anti-tank gun had to get larger as well - and soon needed a larger prime mover in order to be moved around.* Wanting the mobility to be able to get the units in place you saw compromise things using trucks (portee) and halftracks. Both of which proved a bit too vulnerable.

The US went to something that looked like a full-fledged tank with a turret, etc. But traded off armor for speed, while carrying a gun better suited for anti-tank work than the standard tank at the time. (M10 better gun than M4A1; M36 better gun than M4A3, etc.) The doctrine didn’t really hold up in Europe - few tank vs tank battles, more need for HE support, open-top vehicle vulnerabilities, etc.

The Germans and Soviets were looking for a cheap way to supply firepower. So they put field guns, and soon anti-tank guns onto chassis that could only take that gun as a fixed mount. Some open-topped (SU-76, Marder series, Hummel, Wespe), while others that were more directly intended for heavier work got fully enclosed and heavier base armor (SU-85, Jagdpanzer IV, Stug III, etc.)

And the Stug-III units in the German Army actually belonged to the Artillery, and not the Panzer Corps.

Not to mention that the Germans loved tank destroyers towards the end of the war because they were A) better suited for a defensive war where you laid in wait for your target to show up, and B) used fewer resources due to the lack of a turret and the associated machinery.

334 sattv4u2  Aug 2, 2014 9:32:59am

re: #330 William Barnett-Lewis

In the sense that they put the 100mm ATG on a mobile platform that could be used where they needed it for lower cost (hence higher production numbers) than could be done by the Soviet Union with tanks (see the problems with the JSIII & T44) , I would give them a qualified yes.

The JS series was a bugaboo to the west for decades but was never all that good a tank. The M44, debugged, became the T54/T55 series which remains one of the best tank designs ever but that was several years after the war.

Exactly. They weren’t made to work “better than a tank”. They were designed for “A” specific task at a much lower cost which then (in theory) would allow ‘your” tanks to go do what they were designed to do instead of getting bogged down in a tank/tank battle

335 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Aug 2, 2014 9:34:06am

re: #330 William Barnett-Lewis

In the sense that they put the 100mm ATG on a mobile platform that could be used where they needed it for lower cost (hence higher production numbers) than could be done by the Soviet Union with tanks (see the problems with the JSIII & T44) , I would give them a qualified yes.

The main problem with TDs is that their only use is beating up enemy armor, and only under the right conditions. So you’d get higher numbers of something that was only situationally useful, instead of smaller numbers of something that was always useful.

336 William Barnett-Lewis  Aug 2, 2014 9:34:56am

re: #328 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

Also, infantry make perfectly good tank-killers if you give them something good (panzerfausts) to fight with and not ‘sorry if I scratched your paint” bazookas.

True, but by that point we’d already decided to trade lives (our tankers) for faster/easier production in the M4. Dead tank? Hose it out, patch it up & stick another crew in it. Too badly damaged? Here’s 4 to replace it.

That Pzkfw V might take out 6 Shermans. But there was always 7, 8 & 9 moving around to attack that weak side plate…

337 darthstar  Aug 2, 2014 9:36:23am
338 Targetpractice  Aug 2, 2014 9:37:44am

re: #336 William Barnett-Lewis

True, but by that point we’d already decided to trade lives (our tankers) for faster/easier production in the M4. Dead tank? Hose it out, patch it up & stick another crew in it. Too badly damaged? Here’s 4 to replace it.

That Pzkfw V might take out 6 Shermans. But there was always 7, 8 & 9 moving around to attack that weak side plate…

Quantity has a quality all of its own.

339 darthstar  Aug 2, 2014 9:38:02am

Aisle…fuckin’ internet humorists are getting to be poorer spellers by the day.

340 Feline Fearless Leader  Aug 2, 2014 9:38:13am

re: #336 William Barnett-Lewis

True, but by that point we’d already decided to trade lives (our tankers) for faster/easier production in the M4. Dead tank? Hose it out, patch it up & stick another crew in it. Too badly damaged? Here’s 4 to replace it.

That Pzkfw V might take out 6 Shermans. But there was always 7, 8 & 9 moving around to attack that weak side plate…

Most of the US tank losses were not to Panthers or Tigers though. Or even other tanks. Anti-tank guns mostly IIRC. One of the downsides of usually being on the offensive.

I also dislike Panther vs Sherman debates talking about “good” medium tanks. The Sherman spots the Panther something like 14 tons of weight for one thing. Though I do think both the US and UK were too slow to upgun their tanks to something more effective against the heavier German tanks.

341 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Aug 2, 2014 9:39:05am

About the Soviet antifascism.

From a secret TsK VKP(b) note about I.M.Maisky, 11.12.1943:

In all questionnaires Maisky writes that he is a[n ethnic] Russian. […]
In order to clarify the nationality [i.e. ethnicity] the following close relatives of Maisky were checked:
[… father, brother, sisters …]
All these relatives of Maisky are Russian according to questionnaires. However, those who know them personally at work and in everyday life believe on the basis of external signs that they are of the Jewish nationality.

342 Feline Fearless Leader  Aug 2, 2014 9:39:19am

re: #335 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

The main problem with TDs is that their only use is beating up enemy armor, and only under the right conditions. So you’d get higher numbers of something that was only situationally useful, instead of smaller numbers of something that was always useful.

Why would a TD only be good for beating up enemy armor?

343 darthstar  Aug 2, 2014 9:39:43am

Speakin’ of fuckin’…

344 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Aug 2, 2014 9:40:02am

re: #340 Feline Fearless Leader

I think that the upgunning wouldn’t really help much, because tank-on-tank confrontations were rare. What really, really helped was the development of combined arms, especially the phone port plugin for the tank that allowed infantry to direct the tank’s fire, and air support being used in an anti-tank role.

There’s only a very few scenarios where TDs are superior to just having anti-tank guns moved into position. Very few.

345 darthstar  Aug 2, 2014 9:40:06am

re: #342 Feline Fearless Leader

Why would a TD only be good for beating up enemy armor?

They’re great on children too.

346 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Aug 2, 2014 9:40:17am

re: #342 Feline Fearless Leader

Why would a TD only be good for beating up enemy armor?

What else would it be good for?

347 darthstar  Aug 2, 2014 9:41:10am

People who support the Republican position on immigration, apparently.

348 Targetpractice  Aug 2, 2014 9:41:36am

re: #346 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

What else would it be good for?

Blasting the bejesus out of anything that stays still long enough. Good way to clear out that house that’s bombarding you with machine gun fire.

349 sattv4u2  Aug 2, 2014 9:41:39am

re: #339 darthstar

Aisle…fuckin’ internet humorists are getting to be poorer spellers by the day.

ISLE

Maybe it was written by a MAN

350 darthstar  Aug 2, 2014 9:42:15am
351 darthstar  Aug 2, 2014 9:42:48am

re: #349 sattv4u2

ISLE

Maybe it was written by a MAN

Or a WIGHT man.

352 Stanley Sea  Aug 2, 2014 9:43:03am
353 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Aug 2, 2014 9:43:41am

re: #348 Targetpractice

Blasting the bejesus out of anything that stays still long enough. Good way to clear out that house that’s bombarding you with machine gun fire.

Well, sure, but so is a tank, and artillery, and a lot of other things. You don’t need to invent a new “thing with gun” to do that.

354 Feline Fearless Leader  Aug 2, 2014 9:44:13am

re: #346 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

What else would it be good for?

Pretty much all of them from 1943-on had a gun capable of supplying infantry support via HE fire. And the “assault” guns that were generally firing HE were also capable of dinging up tanks; especially if they carried a few HEAT rounds for that purpose.

And how long does it take to tow in, emplace, and have an anti-tank gun ready to fire?

355 darthstar  Aug 2, 2014 9:44:55am

re: #352 Stanley Sea

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Jesus watches every sex act, and if he hears his name, it’s considered a threesome.

356 Dark_Falcon  Aug 2, 2014 9:44:56am

Sorry, but BBL.

357 Targetpractice  Aug 2, 2014 9:45:35am

re: #353 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

Well, sure, but so is a tank, and artillery, and a lot of other things. You don’t need to invent a new “thing with gun” to do that.

True enough. But you gotta work with what ya got. You’ve built a messload of armor for a fight that’s not gonna happen? Sic’em on emplaced units. Got a bunker that’s bothering you? Bring in the M-10 and watch the magic happen.

358 ObserverArt  Aug 2, 2014 9:46:27am

re: #301 RealityBasedSteve

I’m going to be up teaching a class for a week. Up on the north side, off of Polaris Parkway. Should be fun.

RBS

So you’re up on the fringes in the great White North Shopping District. Hopefully you get a chance to get into the city a bit more.

If you are bored and out and around, the tour to see what Columbus is all about is a drive south straight down High Street (Rt 23 up in Delaware County where you are…) all the way just past downtown. Much to see, eat, drink, listen to, etc.

Have a good time!

359 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Aug 2, 2014 9:46:48am

re: #352 Stanley Sea

They raped
Never mind

360 darthstar  Aug 2, 2014 9:46:58am
361 William Barnett-Lewis  Aug 2, 2014 9:47:01am

Bed time, alas. Got to work tonight so need to sleep now. Take care all.

362 Feline Fearless Leader  Aug 2, 2014 9:47:39am

re: #353 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

Well, sure, but so is a tank, and artillery, and a lot of other things. You don’t need to invent a new “thing with gun” to do that.

Invent, or initially do a field expedient, realize it’s useful (or at least a way to get “better” use out of a particular chassis), and then go from there. You seem to be ignoring still that the TD/assault gun is a cheap way to get a larger gun on a particular chassis than you possibly could as a tank on the same chassis.

363 Targetpractice  Aug 2, 2014 9:49:16am

re: #360 darthstar

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We’re harmless…well, okay, mostly harmless.

364 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Aug 2, 2014 9:49:45am

re: #352 Stanley Sea

Poe’s Law in effect: Can’t tell if real or parody.

365 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Aug 2, 2014 9:50:45am

re: #354 Feline Fearless Leader

Pretty much all of them from 1943-on had a gun capable of supplying infantry support via HE fire. And the “assault” guns that were generally firing HE were also capable of dinging up tanks; especially if they carried a few HEAT rounds for that purpose

There again, why not just tank?

And how long does it take to tow in, emplace, and have an anti-tank gun ready to fire?

Not long. And they’re much more capable of being concealed—that was one of the big advantages of the 88, that we often got shot at and we couldn’t even locate it.

366 Stanley Sea  Aug 2, 2014 9:52:03am

re: #364 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

Poe’s Law in effect: Can’t tell if real or parody.

I can’t make out the watermark.

367 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Aug 2, 2014 9:52:18am

re: #362 Feline Fearless Leader

Invent, or initially do a field expedient, realize it’s useful (or at least a way to get “better” use out of a particular chassis), and then go from there. You seem to be ignoring still that the TD/assault gun is a cheap way to get a larger gun on a particular chassis than you possibly could as a tank on the same chassis.

I’m not ignoring that, I’m questioning the general utility of a bigger gun. There’s pretty much one role for the bigger gun, and that’s blowing through heavy armor.

368 CuriousLurker  Aug 2, 2014 9:56:25am

Just stopping by for a sec to drop these off. The disconnect, the mutual ignorance about such a common thing as chocolate, between the African farmer and Western consumer is… strange. Something to ponder, perhaps.

Ivory Coast cocoa farmers taste chocolate for the first time:

Youtube Video

Conversely, first encounter with a cocoa fruit in Holland:

Youtube Video

BBL

369 Kragar  Aug 2, 2014 10:00:00am

re: #367 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

I’m not ignoring that, I’m questioning the general utility of a bigger gun. There’s pretty much one role for the bigger gun, and that’s blowing through heavy armor.

The tank destroyers were a product of their times, but as man portable anti-armor equipment became more developed, they were destined to disappear.

370 Feline Fearless Leader  Aug 2, 2014 10:01:11am

re: #367 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

I’m not ignoring that, I’m questioning the general utility of a bigger gun. There’s pretty much one role for the bigger gun, and that’s blowing through heavy armor.

Actually, no. It’s generally being able to throw a larger HE shell in order to destroy enemy positions in buildings or stuff like anti-tank guns. Around 1944 it partially became a race for getting better long-barreled high velocity guns on the hull to deal with tanks*, but part of it is also getting the ability to destroy infantry beyond MG range.

The Stug-III came out in 1940 as a way to get more 75mm guns available since the 75mm infantry gun was vulnerable and the Pz-IVs were concentrated in the Panzer divisions. The SU-76 was a medium Russian field gun on a light tank chassis. The SU-122 was a bigger field gun on a T-34 chassis and armored-in to allow it to support attacks with direct fire.

* - And as this race built up they actually gave up some of the anti-infantry capability. The higher velocity required a thicker shell and thus less of an explosive charge. Though it also allowed better “sniping” at range at bunkers or other dug-in positions. The Centurion’s 20pdr was supposedly very good for this work in Korea.

371 darthstar  Aug 2, 2014 10:03:16am

re: #366 Stanley Sea

I can’t make out the watermark.

372 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Aug 2, 2014 10:03:16am

re: #370 Feline Fearless Leader

Actually, no. It’s generally being able to throw a larger HE shell in order to destroy enemy positions in buildings or stuff like anti-tank guns.

You can do this with a lighter gun and a few more rounds, or, if you’re American, with artillery.

373 Kragar  Aug 2, 2014 10:03:35am

Combined Anti-Armor Team

Personnel

A CAAT platoon is composed of machine gunners and anti-tank missilemen. They team up to provide the combined arms power of the M2 Browning .50 caliber heavy machine gun, Mk 19 40MM automatic grenade launcher, M-240G medium machine gun, and the TOW missile system either from vehicles or from a ground position.

Basic operations against armored vehicles

In its most basic role, a CAAT platoon and its various sections and teams will engage armored vehicles (tanks, APCs, etc.) first with heavy machine guns, usually the M2 .50 caliber machine gun. This is to “button up” the vehicle, or have the vehicle operators close all the hatches in order to protect themselves from the incoming rounds. When the target is effectively buttoned up, the TOW missile operator will fire a TOW missile, which, upon impact, will cause a dramatic increase in pressure in the closed target vehicle (such as a tank), causing it to explode from the overpressure, eliminating the enemy.

374 sattv4u2  Aug 2, 2014 10:04:15am

re: #361 William Barnett-Lewis

Bed time, alas. Got to work tonight so need to sleep now. Take care all.

Same here, but with a wrinkle

have to go do a couple of errands before I hit the hay then off to work tonight

bbl!

375 Kragar  Aug 2, 2014 10:06:08am

And then in the Yom Kippur War, the Egyptians were able to drastically undermine the Israeli tank doctrine by issuing RPGs in huge amounts

376 Kragar  Aug 2, 2014 10:06:49am

And now, I’m off to take the kids to see Guardians of the Galaxy

377 darthstar  Aug 2, 2014 10:07:20am
378 Feline Fearless Leader  Aug 2, 2014 10:08:08am

re: #375 Kragar

And then in the Yom Kippur War, the Egyptians were able to drastically undermine the Israeli tank doctrine by issuing RPGs in huge amounts

IIRC, Israeli tank doctrine at that time had gotten away from combined arms work as compared to the almost British-y tank charge thing. Which against infantry in open ground without a lot of anti-tank gear can be effective. Especially if the infantry are not expected to have high morale.

379 darthstar  Aug 2, 2014 10:09:43am

I knew they’d fuck it up.

380 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 2, 2014 10:10:30am

re: #371 darthstar

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“Christians for Michele Bachmann” is a parody group.

381 Targetpractice  Aug 2, 2014 10:13:20am

re: #376 Kragar

And now, I’m off to take the kids to see Guardians of the Galaxy

Planning to go see that Monday. Only way I managed to convince my sister to go see it was to tell her that it’s connected to Avengers 2.

382 Dr Lizardo  Aug 2, 2014 10:15:23am

re: #379 darthstar

I knew they’d fuck it up.

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It’s CNN. Have they explained that Ebola is a trans-dimensional virus that arrived on Earth via a black hole yet?

*headdesk*

383 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 2, 2014 10:16:34am

re: #382 Dr Lizardo

It’s CNN. Have they explained that Ebola is a trans-dimensional virus that arrived on Earth via a black hole yet?

*headdesk*

CNN is waiting for the Ebola simulator to be delivered…

384 Skip Intro  Aug 2, 2014 10:17:50am

re: #383 Backwoods_Sleuth

CNN is waiting for the Ebola simulator to be delivered…

Who needs a simulator when you’ve got the real thing?

385 darthstar  Aug 2, 2014 10:20:42am

re: #380 Backwoods_Sleuth

“Christians for Michele Bachmann” is a parody group.

No…really? I never would have guessed.

386 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 2, 2014 10:21:27am

re: #385 darthstar

No…really? I never would have guessed.

:D

387 Feline Fearless Leader  Aug 2, 2014 10:21:56am

re: #372 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

You can do this with a lighter gun and a few more rounds, or, if you’re American, with artillery.

Have you read the Wikipedia pages on Anti-tank guns and/or Tank Destroyers? They both give some background on the concepts and how they applied during World War 2 and on into the modern day.

388 darthstar  Aug 2, 2014 10:23:12am

re: #384 Skip Intro

Who needs a simulator when you’ve got the real thing?

This is Wolf Blitzer. I just farted and I can feel blood running down my leg…yes, it is in fact blood. After the break, I’ll ask our own Dr. Sanjay Gupta if this means my internal organs are all just a seeping mass of tissue.

389 goddamnedfrank  Aug 2, 2014 10:24:42am

re: #297 Dark_Falcon

Thank you for that.

You’ve complained on multiple occasions about stealth dinging when it’s been done to you. Now we’re supposed to believe that your excuse is other people do it too?

That’s seriously weak.

390 darthstar  Aug 2, 2014 10:29:05am

So yesterday, as my wife and I are leaving the house, I see a group of gardeners starting on my neighbor’s yard. I went up to them, asked if they’d mind pulling these giant red fucking plants from my yard (I’d whacked at the first of four of them for over two hours and ended up with two huge barrels of crap that even the green waste people wouldn’t take), gave the guy a $100 bill, and went to work.

And look what I came home to…I’m so fucking happy - and I didn’t have to dispose of all that shit.
Before & After

391 Charles Johnson  Aug 2, 2014 10:29:57am

Seems to me that lying to the public about torture, and even hiding facts about torture from top officials charged with dealing with the public, is the very definition of moral bankruptcy.

And that’s only one example of the Bush administration’s duplicity.

392 darthstar  Aug 2, 2014 10:36:59am

re: #391 Charles Johnson

Seems to me that lying to the public about torture, and even hiding facts about torture from top officials charged with dealing with the public, is the very definition of moral bankruptcy.

And that’s only one example of the Bush administration’s duplicity.

I also think people who are more upset that the president said “some folks got tortured” and used the word ‘folks’ are in need of some self-fucking.

393 darthstar  Aug 2, 2014 10:38:21am

I see pictures like this and I have to wonder - were all of these tunnels above ground?

394 darthstar  Aug 2, 2014 10:41:16am

Perfect for people whose kids want to have a tea party.

395 SteelPH  Aug 2, 2014 10:42:42am

re: #291 sattv4u2

You seem to have issues. Kindly work them out instead of throwing a temper tantrum everytime you’re called out for being an asshole.

396 jaunte  Aug 2, 2014 10:43:18am

re: #394 darthstar

Competitive company makes homes constructed completely of guns.

397 goddamnedfrank  Aug 2, 2014 10:43:42am

re: #308 Dark_Falcon

Why not is because I don’t want to go over the actions taken by the second Bush administration this morning.

I don’t know where you learned this kind of behavior. However in the real world shutting down a conversation that you passive aggressively started and refusing to answer perfectly reasonable inquiries with terse statements about what you do or do not want to discuss is generally considered chickenshit.

398 Targetpractice  Aug 2, 2014 10:44:55am

re: #394 darthstar

Perfect for people whose kids want to have a tea party.

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Because when I think “coffee table,” the first thing that comes to mind is “Is there a place for my phallic extension?”

399 makeitstop  Aug 2, 2014 10:45:42am

re: #103 RealityBasedSteve

Anybody here familiar with / have any experience with putting a e-commerce / info site up using Wordpress? I may do a professional service trade with a SCUBA instructor who has just a horrible site. I want a platform I can knock something out on fairly quickly without getting into a lot of coding (have way too much on my plate right now to take on a consulting gig). I’d also like something that once I get the pieces in place will be easy for him to maintain / add content.

He has a very limited number of products (classes and dive trips), uses PayPal. The number and variety of plugins appeal to me.

If not, any other suggestions. Yes, I’m a coder / DB guy, but this doesn’t need a custom, it needs quick and effective.

RBS

Look at the WooCommerce plugin for WP. I’ve used it on a couple of sites and it seems to work pretty well.

400 darthstar  Aug 2, 2014 10:49:32am

re: #397 goddamnedfrank

By now you should realize that Dark Falcon will never want to discuss the failings of the second Bush administration. Either he’s too tired or too stressed, or he merely doesn’t have the energy to argue.

But he does enjoy coming around every now and then and talking authoritatively about WWII arsenal, fantasy robots and playing along with the “troll barbecue” thing…and he likes saying, “gamey buttocks”…so really, that’s how I read him anymore. After a certain amount of time, you just have to stop taking certain people seriously, or expecting them to contribute to the conversation in any meaningful way. I’m not being mean, I’m just saying I don’t really give a crap if someone still thinks Bush was a great president. Their judgment is suspect…they probably drive a fucking PT Cruiser.

401 Targetpractice  Aug 2, 2014 10:50:20am

Go to IKEA and ask “Do you have a catalog of furniture that allows me to conceal enough weapons to arm a small militia?” Perhaps it’s labeled something like “Bed, Bloodbath, & Beyond.”

402 jaunte  Aug 2, 2014 10:52:32am

re: #394 darthstar

With a handy website, now all the burglars will know what it looks like.

403 darthstar  Aug 2, 2014 10:53:44am

Just saw a tweet quoting Ann Coulter - “We need a Netanyahu here - yes, sometimes Palestinian kids get killed” and then she laughed.

Won’t post the tweet because it includes an image of three dead Palestinian kids with shrapnel wounds.

404 calochortus  Aug 2, 2014 10:54:10am

That would be Ikea’s “Shöt” line of furniture.
//

405 bratwurst  Aug 2, 2014 10:54:17am

Another helpful contribution to the Israel/Palestinian discussion:

406 darthstar  Aug 2, 2014 10:57:17am

re: #402 jaunte

With a handy website, now all the burglars will know what it looks like.

“Look honey! A new dining room table!”
“WTF? It’s glass! Where’d the table I bought go?”
“Oh, the guys from Goodwill picked it up…boy was it heavy…and it rattled. Such an ugly thing…don’t you think this one looks so much better and brightens the room?”

407 A Mom Anon  Aug 2, 2014 11:00:19am

re: #379 darthstar

My facebook newsfeed is a massive trainwreck right now. I’m right outside of Atlanta and holy moly are people losing it over this. So far I’ve counted 7 links to various articles on quack medical websites about how Ebola is spread via “vaporization” ( I guess that means sneezing? I can’t bring myself to read those idiotic links), how Obama is allowing this so there’s a crisis and he can install himself as the next dictator (did we have one before that I missed?), how incompetent the CDC is and shouldn’t be trusted with ANYTHING, that this is a conspiracy to distract from the border crisis and last but not least, that this is really a secret operation to bring “illegals” into the country and release them once they herd them into the CDC building.

Our Fucking Media should really face some sort of penalty for ginning up this amount of fear in people. I have a friend who is dying of cancer and pneumonia in the hospital right now, I’m facing a huge financial crisis because my spouse fucked up royally a couple weeks ago and my dad has been in and out of the hospital for “something wrong with his heart” that no one can figure out and I frankly don’t have the strength for fucking stupid right now. Oh, and it’s our 21st anniversary today and we can’t celebrate it in any form because of the aforementioned spousal fuck up. I WISH I had the brain space to obsess over bullshit like this, because I can assure you I wouldn’t be obsessing over stupid shit. I am about to pack the dog and myself into the car, head West and tell everyone to bite me. GAH!!!

408 darthstar  Aug 2, 2014 11:00:56am

Okay…time to go warm up the truck so I can take my wife to the farmer’s market (gotta love a 44 year old big-block V8)…then we’re off to get her a new car. See how easy I am when I’m allowed to buy a vintage pickup?

409 calochortus  Aug 2, 2014 11:01:39am

re: #407 A Mom Anon

{{{a mom anon}}}

410 danarchy  Aug 2, 2014 11:03:38am

re: #408 darthstar

Okay…time to go warm up the truck so I can take my wife to the farmer’s market (gotta love a 44 year old big-block V8)…then we’re off to get her a new car. See how easy I am when I’m allowed to buy a vintage pickup?

Make sure to get her something with REALLY good gas mileage to make up for the 2 gallons to the mile you must get in that thing!

411 wrenchwench  Aug 2, 2014 11:03:46am

re: #407 A Mom Anon

{{{A Mom Anon}}}

412 Dr Lizardo  Aug 2, 2014 11:06:33am

re: #407 A Mom Anon

Mess with ‘em.

Tell them it’s CONFIRMED! FACT!! that the CDC will create a weaponized, aerosolized, genetically-engineered variant of Ebola that only effects white Christian conservatives, and that it will be disbursed through the southern US states by commercial airliners on their normal routes over the region.

Tell them that all white liberals will be secretly inoculated against this new strain, which has a 99.3% fatality rate and that it doesn’t effect African-Americans, Asians, or people from south of the border.

Tell ‘em you heard it on Alex Jones. They’ll swallow it hook, line and sinker.

Yes, I’m evil sometimes. :D

413 CuriousLurker  Aug 2, 2014 11:09:55am

re: #405 bratwurst

Another helpful contribution to the Israel/Palestinian discussion:

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*Sigh* Aside from the professional Islamophobes, I have Google Arts set up for some of the people I like too, one of them being Amoz Oz. Usually I get notified about interviews with him or articles about him, but today it was someone bitching about him… I guess because some people refuse to be satisfied no matter what, no answer is good enough: webcache.googleusercontent.com

BTW, responded to you in a dead thread littlegreenfootballs.com

414 sagehen  Aug 2, 2014 11:13:33am

re: #375 Kragar

And then in the Yom Kippur War, the Egyptians were able to drastically undermine the Israeli tank doctrine by issuing RPGs in huge amounts

In the Yom Kippur War, the Egyptians weren’t able to drastically undermine anything.

It was a serious strategic blunder to pick the one day of the year when everyone’s easy to find, all the reservists are within a short jog of their gear and rally point, and there’s zero traffic on any of the roads.

From the time the alarm was raised, It took the Israelis less than 2 hours to muster 2 million fully-trained, fully-equipped, combat-ready troops. I don’t think the United States could do that.

415 calochortus  Aug 2, 2014 11:13:39am

BBL. That hedge isn’t pruning itself. Unfortunately.

416 ausador  Aug 2, 2014 11:13:44am

re: #412 Dr Lizardo

Mess with ‘em.

Tell them it’s CONFIRMED! FACT!! that the CDC will create a weaponized, aerosolized, genetically-engineered variant of Ebola that only effects white Christian conservatives, and that it will be disbursed through the southern US states by commercial airliners on their normal routes over the region.

Tell them that all white liberals will be secretly inoculated against this new strain, which has a 99.3% fatality rate and that it doesn’t effect African-Americans, Asians, or people from south of the border.

Tell ‘em you heard it on Alex Jones. They’ll swallow it hook, line and sinker.

Yes, I’m evil sometimes. :D

I sorta did something much like that once thinking I was being trollishly clever, boy did it ever backfire. Remember the thing about the census takers getting GPS locations of people’s houses being used later for artillery strikes on the conservative Christians?

Uhh…well…to the best of my knowledge it all started with this one little troll post at raptureready, oops. :(

Never underestimate their inherent stupidity or gullibility.

417 Skip Intro  Aug 2, 2014 11:15:02am

re: #403 darthstar

Just saw a tweet quoting Ann Coulter - “We need a Netanyahu here - yes, sometimes Palestinian kids get killed” and then she laughed.

Won’t post the tweet because it includes an image of three dead Palestinian kids with shrapnel wounds.

Fox News All Star Ann Coulter. Hannity fav Ann Coulter. One of the most hideous people in the world Ann Coulter.

418 HappyWarrior  Aug 2, 2014 11:17:43am

re: #417 Skip Intro

Fox News All Star Ann Coulter. Hannity fav Ann Coulter. One of the most hideous people in the world Ann Coulter.

How about favorite of the GOP base Coulter? What the fuck is her problem? And what’s sad is she’s not even the worst they have to offer.

419 Skip Intro  Aug 2, 2014 11:22:03am
420 HappyWarrior  Aug 2, 2014 11:23:18am

re: #419 Skip Intro

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Yes, one of those problems is named Donald Trump and it’s been a problem for years now.

421 Skip Intro  Aug 2, 2014 11:23:37am

re: #418 HappyWarrior

How about favorite of the GOP base Coulter? What the fuck is her problem? And what’s sad is she’s not even the worst they have to offer.

Hmm, I’m not so sure about that. She’s really hideous, and she has an up and coming groupie named Laura Ingraham ready to take over whenever needed.

422 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Aug 2, 2014 11:23:43am

Trump and Coulter are two walking, talking Ebolas.

423 HappyWarrior  Aug 2, 2014 11:25:03am

re: #421 Skip Intro

Hmm, I’m not so sure about that. She’s really hideous, and she has an up and coming groupie named Laura Ingraham ready to take over whenever needed.

True she is pretty vicious. And yeah Ingraham is waiting in the wings. Probably already has the books ghostwritten and ready to go depending on the results of the 2014 and 2016 elections.

424 Skip Intro  Aug 2, 2014 11:27:03am

re: #420 HappyWarrior

Yes, one of those problems is named Donald Trump and it’s been a problem for years now.

It is my dream that someday, Donald Trump will be treated “at the highest level”, over there. He’s earned it.

425 A Mom Anon  Aug 2, 2014 11:27:44am

re: #412 Dr Lizardo

LOL, I am SO tempted right now. Instead, I think I’m just going to put up a quote from 1 John 4:19-20 about how you can’t claim to love God and hate everyone else. Which should freak the fuck out of the wingnuts because I make no secret about the fact I am not at all religious. Mostly because of people just like them. I wish people would grow the fuck up and THINK for 5 minutes.

I got a call this morning about my friend with cancer. He’s got pneumonia right now along with lung cancer and emphysema and blood clots and they had to stick him on a ventilator last night. He’s been in ICU since Monday;. His cancer is spreading and they can’t even start to treat it until this other crap is under control. He’s 46. With a 20 and 16 yr old kid. And these assholes are worried about Ebola. Seriously, I thought we had The Best Healthcare In The World. And these people are Americans, where should they go? Just die and STFU I guess. Earlier this week a friend SCREAMED at me because my daughter is on food stamps. I really don’t get this hate, THAT’S the fucking virus we all should be worried about.

426 CuriousLurker  Aug 2, 2014 11:30:24am

re: #419 Skip Intro

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Translation: “Ebola is one of the things my money can’t protect me from—ZOMG, I could die!!11!”

Relax, Donald. Just like the rest of us, you’re a mere mortal and in the end you’re not getting out of here alive nor can you take any of your worldly possessions with you when you check out. Deal with it.

427 Eventual Carrion  Aug 2, 2014 11:33:39am

re: #394 darthstar

Perfect for people whose kids want to have a tea party.

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Excuse me, but your settee just discharged.

428 Dr Lizardo  Aug 2, 2014 11:33:41am

re: #425 A Mom Anon

LOL, I am SO tempted right now. Instead, I think I’m just going to put up a quote from 1 John 4:19-20 about how you can’t claim to love God and hate everyone else. Which should freak the fuck out of the wingnuts because I make no secret about the fact I am not at all religious. Mostly because of people just like them. I wish people would grow the fuck up and THINK for 5 minutes.

I got a call this morning about my friend with cancer. He’s got pneumonia right now along with lung cancer and emphysema and blood clots and they had to stick him on a ventilator last night. He’s been in ICU since Monday;. His cancer is spreading and they can’t even start to treat it until this other crap is under control. He’s 46. With a 20 and 16 yr old kid. And these assholes are worried about Ebola. Seriously, I thought we had The Best Healthcare In The World. And these people are Americans, where should they go? Just die and STFU I guess. Earlier this week a friend SCREAMED at me because my daughter is on food stamps. I really don’t get this hate, THAT’S the fucking virus we all should be worried about.

Sorry to hear about your friend.

The wingnut virus is a form of mental Ebola, as far as I’m concerned. A hemmorhagic fever that causes logic, rationality and common sense to be expelled from the mind of the infected and characterized by odious ideas and accompanied by verbal diarrhea.

429 Skip Intro  Aug 2, 2014 11:34:08am

re: #425 A Mom Anon

LOL, I am SO tempted right now. Instead, I think I’m just going to put up a quote from 1 John 4:19-20 about how you can’t claim to love God and hate everyone else. Which should freak the fuck out of the wingnuts because I make no secret about the fact I am not at all religious. Mostly because of people just like them. I wish people would grow the fuck up and THINK for 5 minutes.

I got a call this morning about my friend with cancer. He’s got pneumonia right now along with lung cancer and emphysema and blood clots and they had to stick him on a ventilator last night. He’s been in ICU since Monday;. His cancer is spreading and they can’t even start to treat it until this other crap is under control. He’s 46. With a 20 and 16 yr old kid. And these assholes are worried about Ebola. Seriously, I thought we had The Best Healthcare In The World. And these people are Americans, where should they go? Just die and STFU I guess. Earlier this week a friend SCREAMED at me because my daughter is on food stamps. I really don’t get this hate, THAT’S the fucking virus we all should be worried about.

Sorry to hear about your friend. That’s just horrible.

430 CuriousLurker  Aug 2, 2014 11:35:19am

re: #425 A Mom Anon

{{{AMA}}}

431 Skip Intro  Aug 2, 2014 11:35:54am

re: #428 Dr Lizardo

It never ceases to amaze me that there are so many Christians in the US who have never read the NT, let alone have any concept of what it’s all about.

432 Dr Lizardo  Aug 2, 2014 11:39:44am

re: #431 Skip Intro

It never ceases to amaze me that there are so many Christians in the US who have never read the NT, let alone have any concept of what it’s all about.

I hear ya; I’ve met Muslims who have no idea what the Qur’an actually says - they just spout off what they learned from some cleric or imam, or worse yet, quote hadiths thinking they’re verses of the Qur’an.

Sheesh. It’s not that hard to pick up a copy and read it for yourself, people.

433 wrenchwench  Aug 2, 2014 11:52:03am

After the Thursday evening fiasco in the House:

The dramatic scene at the Capitol on Thursday night, wherein House Republican leaders pulled their own immigration bill in the face of a conservative revolt, apparently worked up not just tempers, but appetites, too.

Although their party wants to shore up security on the Mexican border, some House Republicans seem perfectly okay with culinary imports, at least: Just hours after word went out that the bill had been yanked from the floor, a group of House Republicans were spotted dining at a Pacifico Cantina, a popular Mexican restaurant along Barracks Row on Capitol Hill.

The party, which included Reps. Renee Ellmers (N.C.), John Runyan (N.J), and Jaimie Herrera Buetler [sic ‘Jaime Herrera Beutler’] (Wash.), seemed in good spirits, a fellow diner said. Tortilla chips and beer were spotted headed in the direction of their table.

434 klys  Aug 2, 2014 11:56:06am

re: #425 A Mom Anon

Sometimes all we can do is try to be the love to counteract the hate, but that’s hard too.

{{A Mom Anon}}

Congratulations on 21 years, even if things are stressful right now.

435 OhNoZombies!  Aug 2, 2014 11:56:35am

Understanding Ebola on The Diane Rehm show .

I listened to this on Thursday. Really interesting stuff…

Here’s a little piece:
FISCHER10:45:57

So it’s a great point. So when you put on all of this equipment, it can get as hot as about 115, 116 degrees on an average temperature day inside your suit. And then you work for as long as you can before you start being — coming very dehydrated and then you have to exit. But you have to take off your equipment in exactly the same way every single time. So Doctors Without Borders, MSF, has established these rules, these routines that really provide a safe way of removing these clothes, which have potentially infectious bodily fluids on them.

436 A Mom Anon  Aug 2, 2014 12:00:57pm

Thanks everyone for the kind words about my friend. He’s directly responsible for seeing to it I wasn’t homeless many years ago and he introduced me to The Husband. We hadn’t seen each other for years because of a stupid fight years ago when our kids were little. When I found out he was sick a few weeks ago I went to see him in the hospital and he burst into tears when I walked into the room and hugged me til my ribs hurt. And now he’s just getting sicker and sicker and honest to god I can’t think of one fucking thing that really matters more than love. Not one thing.

I gotta go cry now. Shit.

437 b_sharp  Aug 2, 2014 12:05:10pm

re: #436 A Mom Anon

Thanks everyone for the kind words about my friend. He’s directly responsible for seeing to it I wasn’t homeless many years ago and he introduced me to The Husband. We hadn’t seen each other for years because of a stupid fight years ago when our kids were little. When I found out he was sick a few weeks ago I went to see him in the hospital and he burst into tears when I walked into the room and hugged me til my ribs hurt. And now he’s just getting sicker and sicker and honest to god I can’t think of one fucking thing that really matters more than love. Not one thing.

I gotta go cry now. Shit.

{{A Mom Anon}}

438 Higgs Boson's Mate  Aug 2, 2014 12:07:06pm

re: #436 A Mom Anon
{{A Mom Anon}}

439 OhNoZombies!  Aug 2, 2014 12:07:34pm

re: #436 A Mom Anon

Thanks everyone for the kind words about my friend. He’s directly responsible for seeing to it I wasn’t homeless many years ago and he introduced me to The Husband. We hadn’t seen each other for years because of a stupid fight years ago when our kids were little. When I found out he was sick a few weeks ago I went to see him in the hospital and he burst into tears when I walked into the room and hugged me til my ribs hurt. And now he’s just getting sicker and sicker and honest to god I can’t think of one fucking thing that really matters more than love. Not one thing.

I gotta go cry now. Shit.

{{BFT}}

440 b_sharp  Aug 2, 2014 12:19:58pm

re: #352 Stanley Sea

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Now that is funny.

441 urbanmeemaw  Aug 2, 2014 1:18:16pm

re: #407 A Mom Anon

{{{{MomAnon}}}}

442 Feline Fearless Leader  Aug 2, 2014 4:08:07pm

re: #431 Skip Intro

It never ceases to amaze me that there are so many Christians in the US who have never read the NT, let alone have any concept of what it’s all about.

Which is exactly the way their priests and pastors want them.
//

443 dirkdigglerjr  Aug 5, 2014 11:00:39pm

re: #151 dirkdigglerjr

i was simply looking at how closely cropped his hair is now, relative to how it used to be. While Mr. McHenry may or may not harbor “skinhead” views, his actions on this vote should give one pause.

To wit: I have no proof that Mr. McHenry was involved in a gay love triangle that resulted in murder, but his name at least is associated with it.

scrutinyhooligans.us


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