The Dumbest Man on the Internet Is Very Excited by Russian Anti-Obama Racism

And his commenters respond with torrents of outright racism and homophobia
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Today, the Dumbest Man on the Internet can barely contain his excitement over an ugly racist incident in Moscow — because it was directed against President Obama, of course.

Jim Hoft drools: Russians Shine Laser Show of Obama ‘Fellating’ Banana on US Embassy in Moscow (Video) | the Gateway Pundit.

As usual, Hoft’s idiotic “commentary” barely qualifies as English, and has random sections highlighted in bold text for no reason:

This year on Barack Obama’s birthday a group of Russian activists shined a laser show of Obama fellating a banana on the US Embassy in Moscow.

The laser show was projected on the outside of the US Embassy in Moscow.

The Russians shined the lasers on the embassy on the day of the president’s 53rd birthday.

The laser show switched from Happy Birthday Obama to images of Barack in a birthday hat eating a banana.

A group calling itself ‘The Moscow Student Initiative’ claimed responsibility for the projection. They called the show “a gift to Barack Obama.”

The image isn’t the only thing being “projected;” obviously Hoft sees the banana as a gross phallic symbol instead of a piece of food, but tellingly, he switches randomly back and forth between describing it as “eating” and “fellating.” I think Hoft may have some personal issues he hasn’t dealt with.

But as freakishly grotesque as Hoft’s semi-literate blurts are, his commenters take it to the next level of hate speech, with hundreds of ugly homophobic and overtly racist comments. A small sampling of the knuckle-draggers (I’m hiding this section by default because it’s incredibly disgusting):

Is this a reference to his purported sexual persuasion?

[…]

Yes, Obama is gay. Kudos to the Russians for calling it like it is…
We have a wuss, gay POS socialist community organizer in the WH !

[…]

The world hates Obama. Retribution is coming…it won’t end well for the man. Eventual impeachment (and it IS coming) will be the least of his problems.

[…]

Yep, thats no banana. That’s a man baby.

[…]

I want to see O-bola, O-Dark-Zero Hero of Benghazi frog marched out of the White House wearing black and white striped pajamas with a ball-and-chain around his feet. (And I don’t mean the First Transvestite, either.)

[…]

Thank goodness! I thought the movie was about how Mooch looked like a male ape, with a foot long penis! At least that secret is safe.

[…]

Why are black people so offended by monkeys and bananas. The hysteria they whip up over the comparisons makes me suspicious.

[…]

They know…..too close for comfort, especially since they’re just as close to apes genetically as they are humans, since they don’t have Neanderthal DNA like everyone else does (only exception is Aboriginese).

[…]

And even the Aboriginese were smart enough to get the he11 out of africa and evolve.

[…]

The proper term is faggot. The little queen is a faggot.

[…]

LOL!!! Bangin’ on the bongos like a chimpanzee.

[…]

that wasn’t a banana 0bama was sucking off…. that was Chris matthews small weiner, Bill Clinton’s, and Karl Marx’s small weiners at the gay orgy 0bama usually has with union thugs

[…]

Well usually it wouldn’t be a bannana but rather Moochie’s cock

[…]

Its mooooochelle’s penis. Or any one of the thousands of other penises the little queer clown has ingested.

[…]

How dare they insult monkeys.

[…]

This despicable little traitor deserves nothing less than to be slowly hung by the neck until dead.

[…]

Reggie’s tool in his monkey mouth?

[…]

The Open borders Ape is firing 500 US Army Majors and 300 Captains..

[…]

That’s not Obama. It looks more like a picture of a chimp.

[…]

Should have had him swinging from a tree.

[…]

Liberals:”You must worship Obama, He’s the Messiah”
USA: Nope he’s a chimp from Chicongo….errr I mean Chicago

[…]

LOL, everyone knows he sucks dick. It’s obvious, my only question is if his “daughters” are really his kids, or if they had a donor.

[…]

It would have been factually accurate had they depicted Obama swallowing Michelle’s phallus instead of that banana.

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191 comments

1 CriticalDragon1177  Aug 7, 2014 10:34:53am

Charles Johnson,

Jim hoft is such a “good” “respectable” “journalist!”

2 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Aug 7, 2014 10:34:56am

Sorry to go OT so quickly, but OMFGWTFITS:
Introducing Frank Bruni and Ross Douthat as the Moviegoers

Welcome to The Moviegoers, an occasional new series in which the Op-Ed columnists Frank Bruni and Ross Douthat banter about movies, pop culture, television and other real-world distractions. From 1993-95, Frank was a movie critic for The Detroit Free Press, and he has written frequently on culture for The New York Times Magazine and for the Arts & Leisure section. Ross is the film critic for National Review and frequently writes about film and TV on his Times blog.

3 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 7, 2014 10:34:58am

I have no words.

4 Lidane  Aug 7, 2014 10:35:09am

LIBRUL PLANTS! DEMOCRATS ARE TEH REAL RACISTS!

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5 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Aug 7, 2014 10:36:31am

Also, there’s no way I’m clicking that spoiler tag.

6 CriticalDragon1177  Aug 7, 2014 10:36:35am

Charles Johnson,

Just out of curiosity has Jim Hoft gotten around to defending Russia anti free speech, anti gay decency laws yet?

7 CriticalDragon1177  Aug 7, 2014 10:37:51am

re: #4 Lidane

LIBRUL PLANTS! DEMOCRATS ARE TEH REAL RACISTS!

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Yes only liberals can be racists, otherwise we might have to admit to being racist!

8 Kragar  Aug 7, 2014 10:37:54am

These people have serious mental health problems

9 Kragar  Aug 7, 2014 10:39:00am
10 RealityBasedSteve  Aug 7, 2014 10:48:19am

re: #1 CriticalDragon1177

Charles Johnson,

Jim hoft is such a “good” “respectable” “journalist!”

He “Won” an “Award” didn’t he?

RBS

11 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 7, 2014 10:51:58am

I have no idea if this is real or not, but wow if it is.

12 Dr Lizardo  Aug 7, 2014 10:52:24am

Here’s my reply, and I’d actually hang it up right in front of the US Embassy as nice big “fuck you”.

Most likely, such a stunt is why I’d make a lousy diplomat.

13 Jayleia  Aug 7, 2014 10:52:48am

This Cranston Snord guy seems nice

14 Dr. Matt  Aug 7, 2014 10:53:42am

How sad….conservatives applaud foreign countries smearing our president.

15 Targetpractice  Aug 7, 2014 10:54:33am

re: #9 Kragar

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You gotta admire the cojones on McDaniel. He’s not only wanting the Mississippi GOP to invalidate Cochran’s win, he wants them to turn around and give him the nomination, but without first putting it to a vote. He just wants them to take his campaign at their word that the numbers are in his favor and he’s the nominee.

16 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Aug 7, 2014 10:55:14am

It’s like there is a competition between Russian and American racist shitheads. And judging by the comments, I must say the American side wins.

17 Minor_L  Aug 7, 2014 10:55:21am

re: #14 Dr. Matt

Remember when it was treason to make fun of GW Bush’s malapropisms?

18 EPR-radar  Aug 7, 2014 10:55:31am

re: #14 Dr. Matt

How sad….conservatives applaud foreign countries smearing our president.

US conservatives of today, if sent back in time to the WWII era, would most certainly root for the US to lose to both Germany and Japan because that would be a failure for FDR.

19 RealityBasedSteve  Aug 7, 2014 10:56:19am

re: #15 Targetpractice

You gotta admire the cojones on McDaniel. He’s not only wanting the Mississippi GOP to invalidate Cochran’s win, he wants them to turn around and give him the nomination, but without first putting it to a vote. He just wants them to take his campaign at their word that the numbers are in his favor and he’s the nominee.

well, since they are “un-skewed polls” I really don’t see the problem //// You have to admit, that as Hail Mary plays go, that’s got to take the record.

20 Dr. Matt  Aug 7, 2014 10:57:14am

re: #17 Minor_L

Remember when it was treason to make fun of GW Bush’s malapropisms?

Yup. I lost count how many times neocons called me a “traitor” or “terrorist sympathizer” or that I was “rooting for the enemy” simply because I questioned dubyah’s foreign policy.

21 RealityBasedSteve  Aug 7, 2014 10:57:25am

re: #16 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

It’s like there is a competition between Russian and American racist shitheads. And judging by the comments, I must the American side wins.

We’re Number One!!!! …. We’re Number One!!! /////

RBS

22 andres  Aug 7, 2014 10:58:03am

re: #19 RealityBasedSteve

well, since they are “un-skewed polls” I really don’t see the problem //// You have to admit, that as Hail Mary plays go, that’s got to take the record.

Hail Mary? This is the whole Catholic Creed, with a couple of “rosarios” for good measure.

23 makeitstop  Aug 7, 2014 10:58:16am

re: #10 RealityBasedSteve

He “Won” an “Award” didn’t he?

RBS

24 Targetpractice  Aug 7, 2014 10:58:30am

re: #19 RealityBasedSteve

well, since they are “un-skewed polls” I really don’t see the problem //// You have to admit, that as Hail Mary plays go, that’s got to take the record.

“Just act like you crowned me nominee that night! Don’t bother with the specifics, just kick Cochran out on his ass and embrace me as your king!”

25 RealityBasedSteve  Aug 7, 2014 10:58:39am

re: #18 EPR-radar

US conservatives of today, if sent back in time to the WWII era, would most certainly root for the US to lose to both Germany and Japan because that would be a failure for FDR.

But they would have no problem with the internment camps for the Japanese. That they could get behind.

RBS

26 Lidane  Aug 7, 2014 10:58:52am

re: #9 Kragar

I love that the MS GOP told him to take it to court.

State GOP Chairman Joe Nosef suggested in a letter to McDaniel attorney Mitch Tyner that the candidate move his challenge to the courts. Nosef explained that he would not be able to convene a meeting of the executive committee, citing a law that requires a petition for judicial review to be filed 10 days after a complaint reaches the state party’s executive committee.

27 Dr Lizardo  Aug 7, 2014 10:59:44am

re: #24 Targetpractice

“Just act like you crowned me nominee that night! Don’t bother with the specifics, just kick Cochran out on his ass and embrace me as our king!”

Heh.

I’m hoping Lamar Alexander wins his primary tonight, quite frankly for no other reason then to hear the sweet, sweet sounds of wingnut head explosions and the gnashing of teeth.

28 RealityBasedSteve  Aug 7, 2014 11:01:50am

re: #27 Dr Lizardo

Heh.

I’m hoping Lamar Alexander wins his primary tonight, quite frankly for no other reason then to hear the sweet, sweet sounds of wingnut head explosions and the gnashing of teeth.

I’m up in Columbus, OH right now, but I’ll be following the results online. Right now I’m about 95% confident in Lamar winning.

RBS

29 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 7, 2014 11:01:51am

Apparently this happened back in October and I totally missed hearing about it.

30 Targetpractice  Aug 7, 2014 11:02:40am

re: #26 Lidane

I love that the MS GOP told him to take it to court.

I’m actually hoping that he takes it to court, if for no other reason than it will further sap energy away from Cochran’s campaign.

31 Kragar  Aug 7, 2014 11:07:01am

re: #30 Targetpractice

I’m actually hoping that he takes it to court, if for no other reason than it will further sap energy away from Cochran’s campaign.

Can’t wait for the inevitable “Look at what these assholes are doing” campaign ads

32 HappyWarrior  Aug 7, 2014 11:09:03am

I’m sure Jim would find if they did an anti semitic carnicture of a Jewish Democrat he hates, he would be tickled pink by that too. Glad Dim finds racism funny,

33 Kragar  Aug 7, 2014 11:11:03am

When you strip away the puerile bullshit, the blind ignorance, and the seething hatred for anyone not exactly like them, you begin to realize wingnuts don’t have much else to offer.

34 Eventual Carrion  Aug 7, 2014 11:13:40am

re: #20 Dr. Matt

Yup. I lost count how many times neocons called me a “traitor” or “terrorist sympathizer” or that I was “rooting for the enemy” simply because I questioned dubyah’s foreign policy.

Or the Patriot Act when it was enacted. “If you’ve done nothing wrong you have nothing to worry about!”, “You want the terrorists to win you unAmerican bastard!”.

Yeah, heard it all then from many of the small minded fuckers that now are AGHAST that the NSA can do what the Patriot Act makes lawful. Fuck them.

35 RealityBasedSteve  Aug 7, 2014 11:14:31am

re: #33 Kragar

When you strip away the puerile bullshit, the blind ignorance, and the seething hatred for anyone not exactly like them, you being to realize wingnuts don’t have much else to offer.

Those aren’t bugs, they are core functionality

RBS

36 Charles Johnson  Aug 7, 2014 11:14:42am
37 Kragar  Aug 7, 2014 11:15:50am
38 Dr Lizardo  Aug 7, 2014 11:17:54am

re: #36 Charles Johnson

The wingnuts are indistinguishable from neo-Nazis at this point. That whole “War on Whites” BS?

I’ve seen that for years now on Stormfront, along with the whole “White Genocide” meme, and “Diversity is code for anti-White” and all that other sickening crap.

The GOP is just catching up to what their base increasingly believes in: white nationalism.

39 Charles Johnson  Aug 7, 2014 11:18:37am
40 Jolo5309  Aug 7, 2014 11:18:42am

re: #20 Dr. Matt

Yup. I lost count how many times neocons called me a “traitor” or “terrorist sympathizer” or that I was “rooting for the enemy” simply because I questioned dubyah’s foreign policy.

I see the problem, you should have been calling Bush names, not criticizing government policy.

41 Dr. Matt  Aug 7, 2014 11:20:14am

So I have muted the ammosexual @triggerthevote, yet since it’s a paid promotion it keeps showing up in my timeline. So, what’s the use of having a mute function?

42 Kragar  Aug 7, 2014 11:21:42am

re: #41 Dr. Matt

So I have muted the ammosexual @triggerthevote, yet since it’s a paid promotion it keeps showing up in my timeline. So, what’s the use of having a mute function?

Try leaving really snarky replies. Maybe if they block you, they’ll go away

43 Teukka  Aug 7, 2014 11:21:53am

re: #37 Kragar

I wish I could say I am surprised, but I’m not.

I’m simply bracing for impact at this point, expecting anything from news of concentration or extermination camps in Russia for dissidents etc., or outright war of aggression.

44 Feline Fearless Leader  Aug 7, 2014 11:22:44am

re: #42 Kragar

Try leaving really snarky replies. Maybe if they block you, they’ll go away

Maybe he’ll see the world’s first effective Twitter ban. Or not, if he is the one banned.
//

45 Dr. Matt  Aug 7, 2014 11:23:21am

re: #39 Charles Johnson

46 CriticalDragon1177  Aug 7, 2014 11:24:18am

re: #37 Kragar

47 Kragar  Aug 7, 2014 11:28:54am
48 Charles Johnson  Aug 7, 2014 11:29:44am
49 RealityBasedSteve  Aug 7, 2014 11:29:49am

re: #39 Charles Johnson
Edward Snowden gets a 3- year visa extension, which means Greenwald will now spend 3 more years denying he defected to Russia.

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Hey,,, that’s uncalled for. You know how confusing those travel sites can be… He really thought he was getting a ticket to Moscow Idaho for the ‘Rescue Kitten Festival’. It wasn’t until after he got on the plane that he realized that it was the wrong Moscow. It’s not Erics’ fault.////

RBS

50 lawhawk  Aug 7, 2014 11:30:27am

re: #47 Kragar

51 Rocky-in-Connecticut  Aug 7, 2014 11:32:09am

Here we go again.

Right wing humor = one kid quietly kneels down in back of the target kid. The other kid pushes the target kid over the guy kneeling down.

Right wing hilarity ensues. There is no nuance. No sophistication. Only base dehumanization.

52 Dr. Matt  Aug 7, 2014 11:32:24am
53 lawhawk  Aug 7, 2014 11:33:07am

re: #50 lawhawk

The House is essentially in recess for 5 weeks, while members are “working” in the District, though work really means running for reelection.

54 b.d.  Aug 7, 2014 11:33:51am

Want to get to South America from the USA? Go through Moscow! Genius!

55 jaunte  Aug 7, 2014 11:34:15am
56 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Aug 7, 2014 11:38:35am

re: #55 jaunte

Hannity points out she’s 19, wonder if he knows that military service is required in Israel unless certain conditions are met? Then again he would probably be all for it here as well.

57 goddamnedfrank  Aug 7, 2014 11:40:57am

re: #37 Kragar

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That’s just some asshole from Russia. As bad as the Russian government is behaving that poster is not a product of either Putin’s administration or the country as a whole. It leaves the wrong impression when people attribute this kind of shit to “#Russia,” it’s not helpful or instructive.

58 dr. luba  Aug 7, 2014 11:41:34am

re: #11 Backwoods_Sleuth

Russian scorched earth policy in action.

59 jaunte  Aug 7, 2014 11:42:08am

Some “close the borders” fans in Russia, too.

60 dr. luba  Aug 7, 2014 11:42:39am

re: #57 goddamnedfrank

That’s just some asshole from Russia. As bad as the Russian government is behaving that poster is not a product of either Putin’s administration or the country as a whole. It leaves the wrong impression when people attribute this kind of shit to “#Russia,” it’s not helpful or instructive.

It’s a common sentiment there. Racism in Russia is much more overt than here; whether it is more common, I can’t say, but they’re generally unapologetic about it.

61 goddamnedfrank  Aug 7, 2014 11:42:46am

re: #57 goddamnedfrank

P.S. This distinction matters not just in principle but because Sergei is a valued contributor here. I know this kind of lazy conflation eats at him personally, and for good reason.

62 jaunte  Aug 7, 2014 11:43:01am
63 dr. luba  Aug 7, 2014 11:43:23am

re: #52 Dr. Matt

And what does Gene have to say?

64 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 7, 2014 11:43:41am

re: #48 Charles Johnson

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People still use IE on purpose?

65 dr. luba  Aug 7, 2014 11:44:34am

re: #64 Backwoods_Sleuth

People still use IE on purpose?

I hear it works great with AOL.

66 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Aug 7, 2014 11:45:00am

re: #11 Backwoods_Sleuth

Re: shelling, both sides accuse each other. While I don’t trust the terrorist side ever, the Ukrainian side also has an incentive to deny that they are shelling civilian structures (even if that could be justified by the fact that the terrorists use them for military purposes). So I would advise to be skeptical of all such claims.

67 Dr. Matt  Aug 7, 2014 11:45:11am

re: #63 dr. luba

And what does Gene have to say?

“I wanna rock and roll all night….and party every day”.

68 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 7, 2014 11:46:02am

re: #66 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

Re: shelling, both sides accuse each other. While I don’t trust the terrorist side ever, the Ukrainian side also has an incentive to deny that they are shelling civilian structures (even if that could be justified by the fact that the terrorists use them for military purposes). So I would advise to be skeptical of all such claims.

I was, indeed, skeptical.

69 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Aug 7, 2014 11:46:41am

re: #37 Kragar

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It’s like saying “#USA cheers the Russian anti-Obama performance”.

70 Bubblehead II  Aug 7, 2014 11:47:40am

re: #64 Backwoods_Sleuth

People still use IE on purpose?

Company I work for frowns on using anything else.

71 Feline Fearless Leader  Aug 7, 2014 11:48:05am

re: #64 Backwoods_Sleuth

People still use IE on purpose?

We just updated to IE 9 here at work. Seriously.

(I use a Firefox install on my work laptop. Advantage of working in IT.)

72 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Aug 7, 2014 11:48:39am

re: #57 goddamnedfrank

That’s just some asshole from Russia. As bad as the Russian government is behaving that poster is not a product of either Putin’s administration or the country as a whole. It leaves the wrong impression when people attribute this kind of shit to “#Russia,” it’s not helpful or instructive.

Thanks for getting it :)

73 goddamnedfrank  Aug 7, 2014 11:48:40am

re: #60 dr. luba

It’s a common sentiment there. Racism in Russia is much more overt than here; whether it is more common, I can’t say, but they’re generally unapologetic about it.

Even if true that doesn’t make widespread adoption of anti-Russian sentiment, stereotype and conflation of the country with its worst elements instructive or helpful. In fact it argues for trying not to needlessly alienate their population further.

74 EPR-radar  Aug 7, 2014 11:48:50am

re: #50 lawhawk

Impressive. So I can assume a 4-day workweek and 12 weeks paid vacation per year are now GOP legislative priorities?

75 Kragar  Aug 7, 2014 11:49:13am

re: #69 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

It’s like saying “#USA cheers the Russian anti-Obama performance”.

I’d go back and delete it, but out of the edit window.

76 dr. luba  Aug 7, 2014 11:49:18am

From Euromaidan Press:

“Russia planned to shoot down an Aeroflot airliner to justify the invasion of Ukraine claims the Security Service of Ukraine (SBU). The SBU head Valentyn Nalyvaichenko reported on the findings at a press conference on Thursday, August 7, reports Ukrainska Pravda.” But they screwed up and hit the Malaysian airliner instead.

More here. This sort of action would not be out of character for someone (cough, Putin) who blew up occupied Russian apartment building to justify war with Chechnya.

77 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 7, 2014 11:50:15am

re: #71 Feline Fearless Leader

We just updated to IE 9 here at work. Seriously.

(I use a Firefox install on my work laptop. Advantage of working in IT.)

I had to use IE for the first time in years just so I could email an attachment, since gmail is having attachment issues with Firefox today.
Ugh. As if I needed a reminder about why I deserted IE…

78 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Aug 7, 2014 11:50:22am

re: #61 goddamnedfrank

P.S. This distinction matters not just in principle but because Sergei is a valued contributor here. I know this kind of lazy conflation eats at him personally, and for good reason.

Well, not really, when Russia does bad, Russia does bad. The statement was simply factually false. I would correct if it was about Uganda, etc.

79 EPR-radar  Aug 7, 2014 11:50:41am

re: #51 Rocky-in-Connecticut

Here we go again.

Right wing humor = one kid quietly kneels down in back of the target kid. The other kid pushes the target kid over the guy kneeling down.

Right wing hilarity ensues. There is no nuance. No sophistication. Only base dehumanization.

That’s not funny because there isn’t enough violence!

80 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 7, 2014 11:51:32am
81 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Aug 7, 2014 11:53:26am

re: #60 dr. luba

It’s a common sentiment there. Racism in Russia is much more overt than here; whether it is more common, I can’t say, but they’re generally unapologetic about it.

Unfortunately, I’m pretty sure that if Obama was on Putin’s side, we would see something like this from the Ukrainian patriots too. I support Ukraine in this struggle, but I’m not blind to its faults (see “battalion Azov” for example).

82 goddamnedfrank  Aug 7, 2014 11:53:34am

re: #78 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

Well, not really, when Russia does bad, Russia does bad. The statement was simply factually false. I would correct if it was about Uganda, etc.

I get that, but it’s been happening more frequently. The White House press conference from a week or two ago was an honest oversight, but it’s important to maintain a distinction between a government and its population.

83 dr. luba  Aug 7, 2014 11:54:23am

re: #80 Pie-onist Overlord

Thank dog that Michigan has not yet sunk to the level of Florida. Small consolation, but still.

84 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Aug 7, 2014 11:54:35am

re: #76 dr. luba

who blew up occupied Russian apartment

That’s a CT on par with “9/11 was an inside job”, sorry.

85 Kragar  Aug 7, 2014 11:55:20am

re: #83 dr. luba

Thank dog that Michigan has not yet sunk to the level of Florida. Small consolation, but still.

I see at new state motto: “At least we’re not Florida.”

86 Charles Johnson  Aug 7, 2014 11:55:25am
87 makeitstop  Aug 7, 2014 11:55:31am

re: #63 dr. luba

And what does Gene have to say?

“Buy more KISS memorabilia.”

88 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Aug 7, 2014 11:56:09am

re: #80 Pie-onist Overlord

GOOD!

89 dr. luba  Aug 7, 2014 11:57:20am

re: #84 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

Wikipedia: “The Russian apartment bombings were a series of explosions that hit four apartment blocks in the Russian cities of Buynaksk, Moscow, and Volgodonsk in September 1999, killing 293 people and injuring 651. The explosions occurred in Buynaksk on September 4, Moscow on September 9th and 14th, and Volgodonsk on September 16. Several other bombs were defused in Moscow at the time.

“A similar bomb was found and defused in the Russian city of Ryazan on September 22, 1999. Two days later, Federal Security Service (FSS) Director Nikolai Patrushev announced that the Ryazan incident had been a training exercise.[2] This led some, such as Alexander Litvinenko and Anna Politkovskaya, to speculate that the apartment bombings had been carried out by the Russian secret service FSB (formerly KGB).”

And both of them murdered by Putin since.

In Ukraine (and Poland), no one doubts who was behind the bombings, nor behind the downing of the Polish president’s airliner.

90 Kragar  Aug 7, 2014 11:57:23am

re: #87 makeitstop

“Buy more KISS memorabilia.”

Actually, he was saying the Redskins need to change their name, pointing out, and using his words here, you wouldn’t expect a sports franchise to be called the “kikes” or “micks”, so why is Redskins okay?

91 dr. luba  Aug 7, 2014 11:57:46am

re: #85 Kragar

I see at new state motto: “At least we’re not Florida.”

…..or Mississippi.

92 goddamnedfrank  Aug 7, 2014 11:58:44am

re: #81 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

Unfortunately, I’m pretty sure that if Obama was on Putin’s side, we would see something like this from the Ukrainian patriots too. I support Ukraine in this struggle, but I’m not blind to its faults (see “battalion Azov” for example).

Fuck, if you want overt, incorrigible racist sentiment based on a thin political pretext then look no further than a sold third or so of America.

93 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Aug 7, 2014 11:59:18am

re: #89 dr. luba

In Ukraine (and Poland), no one doubts who was behind the bombings, nor behind the downing of the Polish president’s airliner.

It’s not true, but even were it so, that wouldn’t change the fact that both are just crazy CTs without any evidence to support them, like 9/11 Troof.

94 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 7, 2014 11:59:36am

Gun fuckers are really, really shitty human beings

95 dr. luba  Aug 7, 2014 12:01:10pm

Sadly, the Simpsons snippet I have been enjoying so much is actually a fake, but a good one.

96 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Aug 7, 2014 12:01:32pm

re: #80 Pie-onist Overlord

JUST IN: Jury finds Theodore Wafer guilty in porch shooting death of unarmed teenager Renisha McBride

The War on Whites enters a new phase…can we no longer defend our homes against potential threats?

/

97 Kragar  Aug 7, 2014 12:01:48pm
98 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Aug 7, 2014 12:02:07pm

BTW, the theory that Putin was somehow behind the downing of the Polish plane (prima facie laughable and officially debunked by Poland) is really repeated mostly by the Polish hard right, like Macierewicz.

99 dr. luba  Aug 7, 2014 12:03:42pm

re: #93 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

It’s not true, but even were it so, that wouldn’t change the fact that both are just crazy CTs without any evidence to support them, like 9/11 Troof.

Not necessarily.

100 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Aug 7, 2014 12:04:31pm

re: #99 dr. luba

Necessarily.

101 Dr Lizardo  Aug 7, 2014 12:06:27pm

re: #98 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

BTW, the theory that Putin was somehow behind the downing of the Polish plane (prima facie laughable and officially debunked by Poland) is really repeated mostly by the Polish hard right, like Macierewicz.

A lot of Poles I’ve spoken with over the years since that happened are of the opinion that it was a unfortunate accident caused by inclement weather and other factors. I haven’t heard anyone express the idea that it was a deliberate act by the Russians, and there’s quite a few Poles in Ostrava.

102 Stanley Sea  Aug 7, 2014 12:07:29pm
103 goddamnedfrank  Aug 7, 2014 12:07:43pm

re: #89 dr. luba

In Ukraine (and Poland), no one doubts who was behind the bombings, nor behind the downing of the Polish president’s airliner.

To put this in context a majority of Americans still think JFK was killed in a conspiracy.

Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.

― George Carlin

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

-Carl Sagan

104 dr. luba  Aug 7, 2014 12:08:49pm

re: #101 Dr Lizardo

Most of the distrust I’ve heard on this matter has been among Ukrainians (I don’t know very many Poles). They are used to the murderous ways of the Kremlin and its many (often lethal) provocations.

105 Charles Johnson  Aug 7, 2014 12:09:55pm
106 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Aug 7, 2014 12:10:05pm

re: #101 Dr Lizardo

A lot of Poles I’ve spoken with over the years since that happened are of the opinion that it was a unfortunate accident caused by inclement weather and other factors. I haven’t heard anyone express the idea that it was a deliberate act by the Russians, and there’s quite a few Poles in Ostrava.

It’s a popular idea among the right, the nationalists. There has been an official Polish investigation that blamed mostly the Polish pilots. Macierewicz tried to debunk the results of this commission by creating his own. The result:

Commission’s findings were almost universally ridiculed by experts in the field.[92] Among errors made by Macierewicz’s “experts” - none of which actually had any experience with air crash investigations, or aeronautics at all[93] - were basic errors in performing simulations,[94][95] mistaking trash bags for fallen tree,[96] and plain confabulation.[97] In order to debunk commission’s fringe theories, the Committee for Investigation of National Aviation Accidents created a web page explaining the situation in layman’s terms.[98][99]

107 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Aug 7, 2014 12:11:30pm

BTW, just for the record, I’m ready to debate the 1999 apartment bombings any time.

108 BeachDem  Aug 7, 2014 12:13:08pm

re: #17 Minor_L

Remember when it was treason to make fun of GW Bush’s malapropisms?

Two words—Dixie Chicks

imdb.com

109 aagcobb  Aug 7, 2014 12:16:24pm

re: #92 goddamnedfrank

Fuck, if you want overt, incorrigible racist sentiment based on a thin political pretext then look no further than a sold third or so of America.

I found this depressing: Whites are less likely to support prison reform the more racist they think prisons are.

110 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Aug 7, 2014 12:16:55pm

Barrett Brown used to be a fan of that CT, but he got banned before we could fully discuss it.

111 Charles Johnson  Aug 7, 2014 12:17:54pm
112 RealityBasedSteve  Aug 7, 2014 12:17:56pm

re: #64 Backwoods_Sleuth

People still use IE on purpose?

I have to use it to access some stuff at the top sekret microsoft trainers site.

RBS

113 goddamnedfrank  Aug 7, 2014 12:19:22pm

re: #109 aagcobb

I found this depressing: Whites are less likely to support prison reform the more racist they think prisons are.

Might just be confirmation bias at play. Racists being more likely to simply assume prison life reflects their own views, and racism tending to be a more conservative / revanchist trait therefore such people being more into punishment, less interested in rehabilitation.

114 Kragar  Aug 7, 2014 12:21:27pm
115 wrenchwench  Aug 7, 2014 12:22:36pm

re: #111 Charles Johnson

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As posted on Pie-onist Overlord’s Page:

116 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Aug 7, 2014 12:23:12pm

Here’s our discussion as it ended back then:

trueslant.com

Since he got banned, I decided that to write a response would be worthless, but you can see my primary argumentation there (tho I probably made a couple of mistakes).

117 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Aug 7, 2014 12:23:44pm

re: #111 Charles Johnson

WTF!? RT @AP Suburban Detroit homeowner convicted of 2nd-degree murder for killing woman who showed up drunk on porch apne.ws

Just … wow.

118 Ace-o-aces  Aug 7, 2014 12:24:15pm

re: #9 Kragar

Translation: “We done forgot black people can vote.

119 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Aug 7, 2014 12:25:57pm

re: #118 Ace-o-aces

Translation: “We done forgot black people can vote.

We also forgot to declare a closed primary…

120 Stanley Sea  Aug 7, 2014 12:26:25pm

re: #111 Charles Johnson

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The AP really fucked that up. People are rightly PISSED.

121 b_sharp  Aug 7, 2014 12:26:57pm

If anyone is talking to a wingnut who claims the California drought is a man-made political problem because of the May 2007 court decision to redirect water to the Delta in order to save the Delta smelt, I have a couple of figures that might help.

Since May of 2007, the redirection of water has reduced the amount available for irrigation in the San Joaquin Valley area by ~3,300,000 acre ft. However the drought has removed ~13,333,330 acre ft of water from the same area. That doesn’t include water lost by evaporation.

The drought is measurably the result of a reduction in rainfall, not the redirection of water. The redirection is adding to the problem but it certainly isn’t the reason farmers are suffering. Adding that water back into the irrigation system wouldn’t help the majority of farmers, but a normal rainfall would help them all.

Just as a side note - the Delta suffers an incursion of salt water when the water level drops and that affects the viability of surrounding farmland. Adding water to the Delta not only saves the Delta smelt but reduces the salt content of surrounding areas.

122 wrenchwench  Aug 7, 2014 12:27:49pm

re: #116 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

Here’s our discussion as it ended back then:

trueslant.com

Since he got banned, I decided that to write a response would be worthless, but you can see my primary argumentation there (tho I probably made a couple of mistakes).

From there:

As I wrote to Barrett privately, I’m writing a response. Barred any intervening circumstances, I will post it here in the comments.

Intervening circumstances such as your interlocutor being banned, thrown in jail, found to be a junkie, stuff like that?

/

123 Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 7, 2014 12:29:29pm

So when did AP become right wing?

124 Lidane  Aug 7, 2014 12:29:57pm

re: #65 dr. luba

I hear it works great with AOL.

Related:

Forgotten but not gone: AOL’s dial-up internet service still makes more money than their ads

At the end of June 2014 AOL had 2.3 million customers using its pre-broadband services, paying on average $20.86 per month.

As most of the costs for getting people onto this service were paid long ago (hardware, infrastructure, advertising, etc) this means the company still makes a whopping $155 million from dial-up, which compares nicely to the $144m it takes home from ads.

Experts have speculated that many of these subscribers might not be aware that they’re still paying for their dial-up service, while others have made the switch to broadband but wrongly believe that dial-up is necessary for the faster service.

125 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 7, 2014 12:30:11pm

re: #123 Eclectic Cyborg

So when did AP become right wing?

I think they outsourced their headline writer.

126 klys  Aug 7, 2014 12:30:35pm

re: #125 Pie-onist Overlord

I think they outsourced their headline writer.

To Twitchy?

127 dog philosopher  Aug 7, 2014 12:33:14pm

disgoosting

128 RealityBasedSteve  Aug 7, 2014 12:34:33pm

it’s all part of the #WarOnWhites
From our socially progressive brethren at FR. /and yes, i puked a bit in my mouth while typing that….

To: GIdget2004
His big mistake was to continue to live in Detroit. It isn’t possible for a white person to get fair justice in the big US cities.

20 posted on 8/7/2014 3:24:28 PM by expat2
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

129 Kragar  Aug 7, 2014 12:35:50pm
130 HappyWarrior  Aug 7, 2014 12:36:40pm

re: #128 RealityBasedSteve

it’s all part of the #WarOnWhites
From our socially progressive brethren at FR. /and yes, i puked a bit in my mouth while typing that….

Yeah because freedom means being able to kill just because you feel threatened.

131 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Aug 7, 2014 12:37:13pm

Now to SBU’s new theory. While something like this (the terrorists planning to destroy a Russian plane to provide a casus belli) is possible in principle, I’m worried by the fact that they already claim this hypothesis to be the truth, even though in their video -
Youtube Video
there is no evidence of this per se, only evidence that it was possible (because the planes’ routes intersected). Possibility does not translate to probability.
Not to mention that acc. to SBU’s own intercepts the terrorists thought that they downed an Ukrainian military plane (and indeed, that’s how their sources bragged about it to the world in the first hour after the tragedy). This seems simply to contradict that the plane was downed with any such intent.

132 BeachDem  Aug 7, 2014 12:37:28pm

re: #123 Eclectic Cyborg

So when did AP become right wing?

At least as far back as 2004 (maybe earlier)

“while investigators for the House Oversight Committee were looking into the 2004 death of Cpl. Pat Tillman… they discovered that top political aide Karl Rove had exchanged emails with the Associated Press’ Ron Fournier on the day the news of Tillman’s death broke.

In one email, Rove asked, “How does our country continue to produce men and women like this?” Fournier responded: “The Lord creates men and women like this all over the world. But only the great and free countries allow them to flourish. Keep up the fight.”

mediamatters.org

133 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Aug 7, 2014 12:39:22pm

re: #132 BeachDem

At least as far back as 2004 (maybe earlier)

“while investigators for the House Oversight Committee were looking into the 2004 death of Cpl. Pat Tillman… they discovered that top political aide Karl Rove had exchanged emails with the Associated Press’ Ron Fournier on the day the news of Tillman’s death broke.

In one email, Rove asked, “How does our country continue to produce men and women like this?” Fournier responded: “The Lord creates men and women like this all over the world. But only the great and free countries allow them to flourish. Keep up the fight.”

mediamatters.org

Ron Fournier is an asshole. I’m amazed he made it in the AP for as long as he did.

134 goddamnedfrank  Aug 7, 2014 12:39:42pm

re: #124 Lidane

Related:

Forgotten but not gone: AOL’s dial-up internet service still makes more money than their ads

When I lived in Montecito it was like pulling teeth trying to convince my landlady that AOL didn’t have some kind of monopoly on her internet access. I rented half a house and was trying to be nice and let her piggyback off my cable broadband wifi network but for some reason she was certain she needed to keep paying AOL to get online.

Old people and technology amiright? (Ducks.)

135 b_sharp  Aug 7, 2014 12:40:23pm

re: #134 goddamnedfrank

When I lived in Montecito it was like pulling teeth trying to convince my landlady that AOL didn’t have some kind of monopoly on her internet access. I rented half a house and was trying to be nice and let her piggyback off my cable broadband wifi network but for some reason she was certain she needed to keep paying AOL to get online.

Old people and technology amiright? (Ducks.)

Get off my lawn.

136 blueraven  Aug 7, 2014 12:40:50pm

re: #131 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

Now to SBU’s new theory. While something like this (the terrorists planning to destroy a Russian plane to provide a casus belli) is possible in principle, I’m worried by the fact that they already claim this hypothesis to be truth, even though in their video -
[Embedded content]

Video
there is no evidence of this per se, only evidence that it was possible (because the planes’ routes intersected). Possibility does not translate to probability.
Not to mention that acc. to SBU’s own intercepts the terrorists thought that they downed an Ukrainian military plane (and indeed, that’s how their sources bragged about it to the world in the first hour after the tragedy). This seems simply to contradict that the plane was downed with any such intent.

I was going to ask what you thought of that.

20committee is running with it. Though he does have “questions”.

20committee.com

137 goddamnedfrank  Aug 7, 2014 12:42:53pm

re: #131 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

Now to SBU’s new theory. While something like this (the terrorists planning to destroy a Russian plane to provide a casus belli) is possible in principle, I’m worried by the fact that they already claim this hypothesis to be the truth, even though in their video -
[Embedded content]

there is no evidence of this per se, only evidence that it was possible (because the planes’ routes intersected). Possibility does not translate to probability.
Not to mention that acc. to SBU’s own intercepts the terrorists thought that they downed an Ukrainian military plane (and indeed, that’s how their sources bragged about it to the world in the first hour after the tragedy). This seems simply to contradict that the plane was downed with any such intent.

Yeah, that doesn’t really pass the smell test. If the rebels / terrorists wanted to down a Russian plane they’d have been best served by A.) first moving the launcher as close to the front lines as possible, and B.) asking Russia to give them a Snow Drift command vehicle so they’d know what they were shooting at.

138 Dave In Austin  Aug 7, 2014 12:43:26pm

re: #130 HappyWarrior

Yeah because freedom means being able to kill just because you feel threatened.

#YouMightBeAConservative

139 Franklin Brewsevelt  Aug 7, 2014 12:44:39pm
140 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 7, 2014 12:45:08pm

AP’s first tweet:

Guess that didn’t get enough attention so they had to add the drunk part.

141 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Aug 7, 2014 12:45:17pm

re: #136 blueraven

Again, this is SBU’s say so for which they have yet to cite any evidence and which already seems to contradict the old evidence (and this contradiction must be explained).

142 blueraven  Aug 7, 2014 12:45:55pm

re: #130 HappyWarrior

Yeah because freedom means being able to kill just because you feel threatened.

Bush Doctrine, writ small.

143 BeachDem  Aug 7, 2014 12:46:06pm

re: #133 Rev_Arthur_Belling

Ron Fournier is an asshole. I’m amazed he made it in the AP for as long as he did.

Oh, this is rich—just took a look at Fournier’s wiki page and this little gem appeared. (BOLDING mine)

In February 2013, Fournier wrote a column about breaking ties with a White House official after a pattern of “vulgarity, abusive language” and “veiled threat(s)”, but did not identify the official due to his policy of granting blanket automatic anonymity to all his sources.[9] Fournier received some criticism from commentator Glenn Greenwald for behaving in a “petulant” manner and for his policy on anonymity for sources.[10]

144 wrenchwench  Aug 7, 2014 12:47:52pm
145 blueraven  Aug 7, 2014 12:48:31pm

re: #141 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

Again, this is SBU’s say so for which they have yet to cite any evidence and which already seems to contradict the old evidence (and this contradiction must be explained).

Oh I agree, it doesn’t make sense in light of the immediate aftermath actions and intercepts.

146 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Aug 7, 2014 12:50:30pm

And why I’m worried - because till today SBU was furnishing us with basically very convincing raw data (the intercepts), and all the pieces of this data seemed to fit together (they also corresponded to external evidence and were even partially confirmed by the persons on those records). I really hope SBU didn’t suddenly decide to play hardball politics, truth be damned, without much to show for it. It never ends well.

147 goddamnedfrank  Aug 7, 2014 12:50:30pm

Breaking: Renton, Washington husband and father convicted of poorly conceived outreach campaign towards SeaTac area whores.

148 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 7, 2014 12:50:46pm
149 Lidane  Aug 7, 2014 12:51:03pm

Ha! This is awesome:

Hannity Apparently Upset Colbert Suggested 5-Year-Old Replace Him

Stephen Colbert on Wednesday lauded the star of this week’s viral video, in which an adorable 5-year-old child “apparently” makes his first live television appearance.

But in doing so, Colbert deeply offended Fox News’ Sean Hannity.

Colbert calls the child a “natural-born newsman” and jokes that he is leaving the “Colbert Report” because “news anchor babies like this are breathing down my neck.”

“At 5 years old, he’s already got the sincerity of Edward R. Murrow, the reassuring gaze of Walter Cronkite and more gravitas than Steve Doocy,” Colbert said.

Colbert also noted that he already has his own “apparently” catchphrase.

“That is the sort of senseless repetition that marks a real news legend like Sean Hannity,” Colbert said before playing clips of Hannity reporting from Israel constantly using the word “literally.”

“Apparently, that 5-year-old child could replace Sean Hannity,” Colbert said.

150 aagcobb  Aug 7, 2014 12:51:57pm

re: #134 goddamnedfrank

When I lived in Montecito it was like pulling teeth trying to convince my landlady that AOL didn’t have some kind of monopoly on her internet access. I rented half a house and was trying to be nice and let her piggyback off my cable broadband wifi network but for some reason she was certain she needed to keep paying AOL to get online.

Old people and technology amiright? (Ducks.)

My wife’s great uncle wouldn’t let his wife get a computer because he didn’t want to get sick from a computer virus.

151 Dr Lizardo  Aug 7, 2014 12:52:17pm

re: #147 goddamnedfrank

Breaking: Renton, Washington husband and father convicted of poorly conceived outreach campaign towards SeaTac area whores.

OK……..is that a reference to the Green River Killer?

152 blueraven  Aug 7, 2014 12:53:27pm

re: #146 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

And why I’m worried - because till today SBU was furnishing us with basically very convincing raw data (the intercepts), and all the pieces of this data seemed to fit together (they also corresponded to external evidence and were even partially confirmed by the persons on those records). I really hope SBU didn’t suddenly decide to play hardball politics, truth be damned, without much to show for it. It never ends well.

As much as I dislike/distrust Putin, would he really shoot down an airliner with mostly Russians aboard? I just find that unfathomable.

153 goddamnedfrank  Aug 7, 2014 12:53:32pm

re: #151 Dr Lizardo

OK……..is that a reference to the Green River Killer?

Yeah, Gary Ridgway.

154 b_sharp  Aug 7, 2014 12:53:34pm

re: #150 aagcobb

My wife’s great uncle wouldn’t let his wife get a computer because he didn’t want to get sick from a computer virus.

I keep telling people computers can get infected by listening to country music.

155 Dr Lizardo  Aug 7, 2014 12:54:36pm

re: #153 goddamnedfrank

Yeah, Gary Ridgway.

That’s what I thought. I know there was another serial killer in WA, Robert Yates, but I believe he was operating in the Spokane area.

156 goddamnedfrank  Aug 7, 2014 12:55:12pm

re: #152 blueraven

As much as I dislike/distrust Putin, would he really shoot down an airliner with mostly Russians aboard? I just find that unfathomable.

I think the idea here is that the rebels may have cooked up this hare brained scheme on their own, because they’re desperate to get Russia involved and aren’t exactly long on smarts.

Doesn’t make it any more believable tho’.

157 lawhawk  Aug 7, 2014 12:55:41pm
158 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Aug 7, 2014 12:56:42pm

re: #152 blueraven

As much as I dislike/distrust Putin, would he really shoot down an airliner with mostly Russians aboard? I just find that unfathomable.

I wouldn’t put anything past him at this point, but it’s purely a question of evidence. Here’s SBU’s “evidence”:

sbu.gov.ua

It’s so weak I can’t even

159 blueraven  Aug 7, 2014 12:56:52pm

re: #156 goddamnedfrank

I think the idea here is that the rebels may have cooked up this hare brained scheme on their own, because they’re desperate to get Russia involved and aren’t exactly long on smarts.

Doesn’t make it any more believable tho’.

Ah, thanks.

160 Dr Lizardo  Aug 7, 2014 12:57:16pm

re: #157 lawhawk

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#APHeadlines: Beloved local businessman and children’s party entertainer convicted of illegal storage in house crawlspace.

161 b_sharp  Aug 7, 2014 12:57:53pm

re: #160 Dr Lizardo

#APHeadlines: Beloved local businessman and children’s party entertainer convicted of illegal storage in house crawlspace.

That one hurt.

162 goddamnedfrank  Aug 7, 2014 12:59:07pm

To be fair, supplying the rebels with a Buk launcher but no command vehicle and trained crew was really fucking stupid of Putin. Assuming of course that the launchers were supplied by Russia as the US has asserted and not captured intact from the Ukrainian army.

163 makeitstop  Aug 7, 2014 12:59:25pm

Breaking: New Orleans blacks perish while looting during hurricane

164 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Aug 7, 2014 1:01:24pm

The only harmonization I can think of is that some “separatist” über-boss (like Strelkov) knew the details of the operation together with maybe a couple of other people, and used the other “separatists” as blind puppets. But again, such an extraordinary claim requires iron-clad evidence in the form of at least a clear intercept.

165 Kragar  Aug 7, 2014 1:01:58pm
166 Teukka  Aug 7, 2014 1:02:57pm

re: #156 goddamnedfrank

I think the idea here is that the rebels may have cooked up this hare brained scheme on their own, because they’re desperate to get Russia involved and aren’t exactly long on smarts.

Doesn’t make it any more believable tho’.

Well, I wouldn’t put it past Putin and the Kremlin Crew to consider anything which would be plausible for the domestic population in terms of casus belli. Like this scenario for instance:
<tinfoil>
Russia supplies rebels with tac nuke (or they already have one). Rebels sneak behind Ukrainian lines and fire it over the border at the Russian troop concentrations there, or maybe even a civilian target.
</tinfoil>

167 wrenchwench  Aug 7, 2014 1:03:25pm

Maybe I got the wrong hashtag.

168 Targetpractice  Aug 7, 2014 1:04:06pm

AP: Wisconsin man convicted of murdering hardware store owner and illegally exhuming corpses.

169 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Aug 7, 2014 1:04:23pm

re: #162 goddamnedfrank

To be fair, supplying the rebels with a Buk launcher but no command vehicle and trained crew was really fucking stupid of Putin. Assuming of course that the launchers were supplied by Russia as the US has asserted and not captured intact from the Ukrainian army.

The official story was that they indeed captured the Ukrainian Buks, but I take it as a cover story, allowing Russia to supply the Buks. Indeed, the Ukrainian side denied - still before the tragedy - that any Buks were captured.

170 Varek Raith  Aug 7, 2014 1:04:39pm

What did the AP do now?

171 wrenchwench  Aug 7, 2014 1:05:35pm

re: #170 Varek Raith

What did the AP do now?

See the comments here.

172 makeitstop  Aug 7, 2014 1:06:32pm

#APHeadlines Arizona convict resists medical procedure, makes rude noises

(Too soon?)

173 CuriousLurker  Aug 7, 2014 1:06:50pm

re: #170 Varek Raith

What did the AP do now?

Pimping/clickbait:

174 Targetpractice  Aug 7, 2014 1:07:23pm

re: #167 wrenchwench

Maybe I got the wrong hashtag.

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AP: Presidential candidate reported shot in California hotel.

175 blueraven  Aug 7, 2014 1:07:42pm

re: #170 Varek Raith

What did the AP do now?

Trashed the Victim

176 goddamnedfrank  Aug 7, 2014 1:08:49pm

The biggest problem so far with Putin’s campaign in Eastern Ukraine is simultaneously its biggest asset. There has been a very purposeful separation between the handlers working for the Russian government and the various assets that have been both inserted and developed inside Ukraine. The whole idea was obviously to create deniability for Putin and to make the resistance appear to an organic uprising, instead of what it really is, an astroturfed insurgency.

The problem is that to create this sham they went balls out and for some reason decided to forgo the kind of direct military communications, logistics, command and support structures that would have made the insurgency truly effective. It’s like Putin was totally impressed with his own success in Crimea, and didn’t realize two things. First that the rest of Ukraine wasn’t Crimea, and second that the Crimean annexation was accomplished during a very brief chaotic window of opportunity that followed Yanukovych’s flight towards the end of the Euromaidan campaign.

177 Varek Raith  Aug 7, 2014 1:09:23pm

Good grief AP.

178 TedStriker  Aug 7, 2014 1:09:36pm

re: #160 Dr Lizardo

#APHeadlines: Beloved local businessman and children’s party entertainer convicted of illegal storage in house crawlspace.

Ah, John Wayne Gacy…

179 wrenchwench  Aug 7, 2014 1:10:54pm

re: #172 makeitstop

#APHeadlines Arizona convict resists medical procedure, makes rude noises

(Too soon?)

Not soon enough.

180 wrenchwench  Aug 7, 2014 1:12:43pm
181 Teukka  Aug 7, 2014 1:21:35pm

re: #176 goddamnedfrank

Another point is that there was unrest among ethnic Russians in either Latvia or Lithuania a couple of years ago, and I seem to recall there was some page where it was shown that a number of the same people also popped up among pro-Russian demonstrators in Ukraine, which lends plausibility to the astroturfed insurgency/unrest angle.
And when one looks at a wider picture, where significant Russian minorities are located and where there has been or is dissent and separatist tendencies, it sure looks like a plan to expand Russia’s borders back to something among the lines of both the pre-1917 and Soviet Union borders overlaid on top of each other.
And yes, there has even been attempts at stirring separatism in Finland which don’t seem to have gained that much traction - so far.

I really don’t like the look of it at all.

182 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Aug 7, 2014 1:23:22pm

re: #180 wrenchwench

Caution: snopes.com

183 ausador  Aug 7, 2014 1:36:11pm

re: #182 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

Caution: snopes.com

Regardless of the technicalities and semantics I still object to anyone using “looting” to describe taking merchandise from a grocery store with 3 or 4 feet of water inside of it. All remaining products within those stores were thrown out during the subsequent clean up and repair efforts anyway.

184 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Aug 7, 2014 1:41:55pm

re: #183 ausador

Can be, a matter of opinion. What it doesn’t necessarily show is racial bias on the photographer’s part.

185 Feline Fearless Leader  Aug 7, 2014 1:55:43pm

re: #121 b_sharp

If anyone is talking to a wingnut who claims the California drought is a man-made political problem because of the May 2007 court decision to redirect water to the Delta in order to save the Delta smelt, I have a couple of figures that might help.

Since May of 2007, the redirection of water has reduced the amount available for irrigation in the San Joaquin Valley area by ~3,300,000 acre ft. However the drought has removed ~13,333,330 acre ft of water from the same area. That doesn’t include water lost by evaporation.

The drought is measurably the result of a reduction in rainfall, not the redirection of water. The redirection is adding to the problem but it certainly isn’t the reason farmers are suffering. Adding that water back into the irrigation system wouldn’t help the majority of farmers, but a normal rainfall would help them all.

Just as a side note - the Delta suffers an incursion of salt water when the water level drops and that affects the viability of surrounding farmland. Adding water to the Delta not only saves the Delta smelt but reduces the salt content of surrounding areas.

How soon until Los Angeles decides that it wants water enough that they start pulling more water from the tributaries to Mono Lake than they have agreed to? If I recall there is a long-term project to get the depth of Mono Lake increased over the next decade or so.

186 klys  Aug 7, 2014 1:57:45pm

re: #185 Feline Fearless Leader

How soon until Los Angeles decides that it wants water enough that they start pulling more water from the tributaries to Mono Lake than they have agreed to? If I recall there is a long-term project to get the depth of Mono Lake increased over the next decade or so.

That long-term project is the result of a court case. The agreements aren’t there because LA wanted to make them. I don’t think they can make changes to them easily.

The lake level is a little low now, but that’s because of the drought. The low is higher than it was the first time I went though.

187 Feline Fearless Leader  Aug 7, 2014 1:58:12pm

re: #134 goddamnedfrank

When I lived in Montecito it was like pulling teeth trying to convince my landlady that AOL didn’t have some kind of monopoly on her internet access. I rented half a house and was trying to be nice and let her piggyback off my cable broadband wifi network but for some reason she was certain she needed to keep paying AOL to get online.

Old people and technology amiright? (Ducks.)

Wait until he stands back up before using the compact disc shuriken!

188 De Kolta Chair  Aug 7, 2014 2:16:25pm

#APHeadlines: Liberty Valance Welcomes Newcomer to Shinbone

189 wrenchwench  Aug 7, 2014 2:21:43pm

re: #184 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

Can be, a matter of opinion. What it doesn’t necessarily show is racial bias on the photographer’s part.

Not the photographer, nor the caption writer (sometimes the same), but the whole business has that tendency, and I don’t see anything in Snopes to excuse it or explain it away. Doesn’t make one person guilty of anything more than being part of a racist society.

190 SpaceCowboy  Aug 7, 2014 7:57:55pm

Of course, the banana was a phallic symbol. Do you honestly believe that the Russians are capable of anything more subtle?

The question isn’t why Jim Holt is outraged by that act against an American President - it’s why CJ approves? I don’t care for Obama at all, but damn it, he’s our president, and the Russians have no business insulting America in that manner.

191 Charles Johnson  Aug 7, 2014 8:17:35pm

re: #190 SpaceCowboy

This has to be one of the dumbest, most deliberately ignorant troll comments ever.


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