San Diego Business Owner Takes in Migrant Family, Receives Death Threats From Right Wingers

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One of the hateful things right wingers say to people who speak up on behalf of child refugees fleeing Central American countries is, “Why don’t you take them into your own house if you’re such a bleeding-heart liberal?”

Well, in San Diego a local businessman did exactly that, after his 5-year old son asked why buses carrying migrant families were being blocked by right wing protesters in Murrieta; he took in a family from Guatemala with help from a group called “Border Angels.”

And then, when word spread through social media that he had done this — he started getting death threats from right wingers:

“When they came to our house, they were scared. We had two extra rooms, but they didn’t want to be separated so they all piled into one room,” said Lane.

He said when word spread through social media that he was hosting the family, someone posted a Facebook page boycotting his business and threatening him. One post read, “Mark Lane needs a serious beating in front of his customers. But then he serves crap food. His establishment is rat infested and smells like raw sewage!”

The site was taken down after a cease and desist order was sent to the administrator. The threats have not stopped, though.

“Now, we’re getting death threats,” said Lane. “They’re going to kill me. They’re going to kill my family.”

He added, “They think it’s OK for them to now threaten my life. They put my kids and my wife’s picture on their hate sites, not even the mafia does that.”

(h/t: Gabe Ortíz.)

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99 comments
1 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 8, 2014 9:56:01am

keyboard commandos strike again…

2 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Aug 8, 2014 9:56:40am

Internet + anonymity = endless adolescence

3 Charles Johnson  Aug 8, 2014 9:58:06am

This goes quite a bit beyond adolescent behavior - they’re threatening his wife and children and putting their address and pictures on hate sites.

4 Targetpractice  Aug 8, 2014 9:58:56am

After years of seeing this noxious and xenophobic crap in Europe, seeing it here in the US is depressing as hell.

5 Eventual Carrion  Aug 8, 2014 9:59:36am

Hope they can find these wastes of skin and oxygen and give them a 10 - 20 year stay in club fed. WTF is wrong with these people?

6 BadExampleMan  Aug 8, 2014 9:59:47am
7 Timothy Watson  Aug 8, 2014 10:01:38am

These people give you a good idea what the S.A. would have done if they had the Internet back then.

Yeah, so what, Godwin’s Law doesn’t apply when you’re dealing with actual fascists.

8 wrenchwench  Aug 8, 2014 10:01:58am
“I’m not going to stop helping families,” he said. “When this family leaves, the next family that comes through immigration - our house is open.”

Lane says his business is booming despite some on social media were encouraging others to boycott his shop. He says that backfired because of all the national attention.

Good!

I hope the hate continues to backfire and that anyone who pushes back against hate continues to prosper.

I hope the biggest backfire is at the ballot box.

9 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Aug 8, 2014 10:03:58am

I’m sure Michelle Malkin will send someone to see what counter tops they have as well.

10 nines09  Aug 8, 2014 10:03:58am

Only “True Patriots” send death threats to those who would act in a Christian way.

11 Targetpractice  Aug 8, 2014 10:05:54am

Paleo-Pat’s article that freetoken brought up downstairs, about the threat that “diversity” poses to the US, really does show the mindset of these people. They’re not acting out of respect for the law or humanitarian concern, they’re acting out of fear. Fear that the future is against them, that their kids and their grandkids won’t grow up in an America where white people are still calling the shots. The calls of “DEPORT THEM ALL” are not about immigration laws, they’re about delaying the inevitable.

12 Interesting Times  Aug 8, 2014 10:06:57am

re: #8 wrenchwench

Good!

I hope the hate continues to backfire and that anyone who pushes back against hate continues to prosper.

I hope the biggest backfire is at the ballot box.

So do I (though in true masochistic form, I made the mistake of looking at the comments on the original article. Stormfront/WND trolls out in force, and of course someone accusing the death-threat senders of being LIBRUL PLANTZ!!!11!!)

13 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Aug 8, 2014 10:07:08am

re: #6 BadExampleMan

Or as John Gabriel put it…
John Gabriel’s Greater Internet Dickwad Theory

expand on that, add in “violent, racist/xenophobic ideology” and the result is “potentially murderous dickwad”.

14 Ryan King  Aug 8, 2014 10:08:27am

The only problem with LOL’ing at John Gabriel’s theory is that it foments an environment where it is actually acceptable to do really nasty stuff. So a 1000 people making a death threat and lamenting it’s just a 1000 people being childish douches misses that point that only 999 may be just douches: the last one may consider acting out further than just threats.

That’s why my opinion has changed and asshattery should not be excused or dismissed.

15 b.d.  Aug 8, 2014 10:11:10am

Send all the latinos back to where they came from, except for the Cubans for some reason!

16 wrenchwench  Aug 8, 2014 10:11:35am

re: #12 Interesting Times

So do I (though in true masochistic form, I made the mistake of looking at the comments on the original article. Stormfront/WND trolls out in force, and of course someone accusing the death-threat senders of being LIBRUL PLANTZ!!!11!!)

Except here, of course.

17 Kragar  Aug 8, 2014 10:13:08am

Living in San Diego, I can tell you one business that I’ll be making the time to swing by in the next week or two.

18 Rocky-in-Connecticut  Aug 8, 2014 10:15:42am

what’s amusing, not actually funny, is that the Libertarian theology once insisted that immigration should be totally free and no borders should exist keeping workers from employment opportunities. Where is Ron Paul? Rand? Anyone who claims to uphold Libertarian values?

I guess all that Libertarian crap goes right out the window once race and culture enters the picture.

19 EmmaAnne  Aug 8, 2014 10:15:52am

re: #14 Ryan King

The only problem with LOL’ing at John Gabriel’s theory is that it foments an environment where it is actually acceptable to do really nasty stuff. So a 1000 people making a death threat and lamenting it’s just a 1000 people being childish douches misses that point that only 999 may be just douches: the last one may consider acting out further than just threats.

That’s why my opinion has changed and asshattery should not be excused or dismissed.

Stochastic terrorism, in other words. A good point.

And furthermore - plenty of people don’t feel the need to be assholes on the internet. There has to be more to it than that. I probably do say “fuck you” more often online than I would in real life, but I am pretty much the same person.

20 wrenchwench  Aug 8, 2014 10:18:10am

re: #18 Rocky-in-Connecticut

what’s amusing, not actually funny, is that the Libertarian theology once insisted that immigration should be totally free and no borders should exist keeping workers from employment opportunities. Where is Ron Paul? Rand? Anyone who claims to uphold Libertarian values?

I guess all that Libertarian crap goes right out the window once race and culture enters the picture.

Libertarians also never meant for any of those immigrants to ever have access to citizenship. They wanted a workforce they could deport as soon as it quit working (illness, injury, retirement).

21 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Aug 8, 2014 10:20:22am

re: #17 Kragar

Living in San Diego, I can tell you one business that I’ll be making the time to swing by in the next week or two.

That will be next charge leveled at him “He is only doing this to boost his business”.

22 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 8, 2014 10:21:16am

What an everlasting fuckbag

23 Lidane  Aug 8, 2014 10:21:19am

re: #4 Targetpractice

After years of seeing this noxious and xenophobic crap in Europe, seeing it here in the US is depressing as hell.

Oh, but didn’t you know? The REAL racist and the REAL threat to America is the blah guy in the White House:

Anti-Immigrant Activist Fears Obama Plans For FEMA Coffins ‘To Handle 200 Million Deaths’

This kind of paranoid, delusional fearmongering is what triggers people into sending death threats and attacking a man for hosting a refugee family. This is the kind of shit we’re dealing with. It’s not rational, and it’s not based on any logic. It’s complete and total fear of The Other.

24 Timothy Watson  Aug 8, 2014 10:24:05am

re: #22 Pie-onist Overlord

What an everlasting fuckbag

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WE ONLY NEED TO ANNEX 2/3 OF THE MIDDLE EAST!1!!! WHAT’S SO HARD ABOUT THAT?!

25 Ryan King  Aug 8, 2014 10:24:50am

re: #22 Pie-onist Overlord

He’s really f’ing stupid. Military option = killing a bunch of people and the rest throw up their weapons. Because that’s what happens in movies.

This dude, and millions of others, operate in this false reality. And even worse, they think their simplistic notions have merit by virtue of their simplicity.

It’s like a black hole of non-thought idiocy.

26 b.d.  Aug 8, 2014 10:24:50am

[sad trombone] Former “Saturday Night Live” cast member Victoria Jackson has lost her bid as an independent candidate for a seat on a county commission in Tennessee. [/sad trombone]

huffingtonpost.com

27 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Aug 8, 2014 10:25:31am

re: #22 Pie-onist Overlord

What an everlasting fuckbag

Obama @WhiteHouse continues to repeat the line that defeating ISIS can not be accomplished militarily

It was a military intervention that created the conditions for ISIS to come to power…

28 CuriousLurker  Aug 8, 2014 10:25:40am

re: #24 Timothy Watson

WE ONLY NEED TO ANNEX 2/3 OF THE MIDDLE EAST!1!!! WHAT’S SO HARD ABOUT THAT?!

Right? What could possibly go wrong? //

29 jaunte  Aug 8, 2014 10:26:30am

re: #22 Pie-onist Overlord

Obama @WhiteHouse continues to repeat the line that defeating ISIS can not be accomplished militarily - What #Idiocy

Something something something land war in Asia.

30 iossarian  Aug 8, 2014 10:27:04am

re: #24 Timothy Watson

WE ONLY NEED TO ANNEX 2/3 OF THE MIDDLE EAST!1!!! WHAT’S SO HARD ABOUT THAT?!

PEACE IS WAR

31 Kragar  Aug 8, 2014 10:27:47am

OK folks, we need to call the boys back from Iraq again. Bryan Fischer has a problem.

Obama will fight for Satan-worshipers but not for Christians!
Read more at afa.net

He has authorized humanitarian and military action in Iraq in his determination to protect the Yazidis, whose religion features an archangel who defied God following the creation of Adam and thereby became worthy of their reverence. That being, of course, is Satan. In a rare point of theological accord, both Muslims and Christians agree that the archangel revered by the Yazidis is in fact the Prince of Darkness.

32 Lidane  Aug 8, 2014 10:28:00am

re: #24 Timothy Watson

IF WE WIN IN AFGHANISTAN AND IRAQ WE DEFEAT TERRORISM!

Because going to war with an idea or a tactic always works. :-P

33 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 8, 2014 10:28:07am

re: #29 jaunte

Something something something land war in Asia.

We need to go back in there and do what we were doing for the past 10 years.

Oh wait…

34 Charles Johnson  Aug 8, 2014 10:29:02am

Ugh.

I have huge respect for climate scientist Michael Mann. But what the hell is he doing on Russia Today?

What a horrible idea. Associating with conspiracy theorists and crackpots is not going to help get the message out about climate change - it just makes you look like a crackpot yourself.

Ugh. Why.

35 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 8, 2014 10:29:02am
36 jaunte  Aug 8, 2014 10:29:18am
…even though [Lane] has now been exposed to the ugly side of American racism, he would not change what he has done, and that the experience is one that has changed him. And, he believes, changed the family he is hosting. He says that although the family came to his house with “haunted, hollow eyes,” they have slowly become more trusting and the relationship has blossomed into what he feels will be a lasting one. He’s rewarded by the way his family has bonded with the Guatemalan family. He’s also taught a very special lesson to his own kids;

“I’m watching my 3 boys learn something very special and awesome.”

theeverlastinggopstoppers.com

37 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Aug 8, 2014 10:30:43am

They killed Godwin! You bastards.

38 Teukka  Aug 8, 2014 10:31:09am

OT, but important…
Video to use in case of an Ebollshit outbreak:
Youtube Video

39 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Aug 8, 2014 10:31:13am

re: #22 Pie-onist Overlord

no military means can ever fully defeat an ideology. If that were the case then there would be no Christianity and probably no Judaism either. Even pagan ideologies and religions survived the roman spear.

40 RealityBasedSteve  Aug 8, 2014 10:31:15am

re: #23 Lidane

Oh, but didn’t you know? The REAL racist and the REAL threat to America is the blah guy in the White House:

Anti-Immigrant Activist Fears Obama Plans For FEMA Coffins ‘To Handle 200 Million Deaths’

This kind of paranoid, delusional fearmongering is what triggers people into sending death threats and attacking a man for hosting a refugee family. This is the kind of shit we’re dealing with. It’s not rational, and it’s not based on any logic. It’s complete and total fear of The Other.

Lets see… US population ~~ 310 million. Obama kills off 200 million, or 2/3rd of the total population. If it was even 1/2 that amount, the entire system would collapse, and probably take down most of the world economy with it. Yea…. makes sense to me.

RBS

41 CuriousLurker  Aug 8, 2014 10:31:48am

re: #27 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

It was a military intervention that created the conditions for ISIS to come to power…

Yeah, our involvement in the Mideast has worked out SO well in the past:

Mossadeq > Shah > Khomeni
Afghanistan > Mujahideen > Taliban > Al Qaeda > Karzai > More Tilban > …
Iraq > Counterinsurgents/civil war > Maliki > ISIS

42 Feline Fearless Leader  Aug 8, 2014 10:32:40am

re: #14 Ryan King

The only problem with LOL’ing at John Gabriel’s theory is that it foments an environment where it is actually acceptable to do really nasty stuff. So a 1000 people making a death threat and lamenting it’s just a 1000 people being childish douches misses that point that only 999 may be just douches: the last one may consider acting out further than just threats.

That’s why my opinion has changed and asshattery should not be excused or dismissed.

But that was just a lone wolf and the other 999 comments and supporting sites had *nothing* to do with what happened.
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43 RealityBasedSteve  Aug 8, 2014 10:33:03am

re: #35 Pie-onist Overlord

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after all, the LGBT activists have got the bodies of Christian Activists buried under boutiques and salons across the nation.

RBS

44 Lidane  Aug 8, 2014 10:33:21am

re: #35 Pie-onist Overlord

Erick Erickson is bleating about that today:

Fox News contributor compares LGBT activists to racist southern cops from the 60′s

Erickson writes, “…enormous energy is being expended by the left in America to make Christianity and Christians unacceptable,” before stating, “As gay rights activists use the tactics of Bull Connor to push for what they declare civil rights, they are targeting churches, religiously affiliated groups and Christian businesses for harassment and lawsuits. “

Among the offenses Erickson found comparable to siccing police dogs on children protesting for equal rights on the streets of Birmingham, Erickson cites a teacher at a Macon Catholic school who filed a discrimination complaint against his employer for firing him for wanting to marry his partner, and “photographers, florists and bakers compelled against their will to provide goods and services to gay marriages.”

Yes, it’s Raw Story but the original source is Townhall and I won’t give them the clicks.

Also, if your religion prevents you from taking pictures or baking a cake or arranging flowers or selling a bunch of beaded and stitched fabric to a couple, you’re an asshole. Full stop.

45 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Aug 8, 2014 10:34:17am

re: #34 Charles Johnson

I’m not giving up on Mann because of this, but yeah, he’s shown bad judgment. Russia is a state where CT-laden AGW-denying “documentaries” are shown on state TV.

46 wrenchwench  Aug 8, 2014 10:34:48am

re: #34 Charles Johnson

Ugh.

I have huge respect for climate scientist Michael Mann. But what the hell is he doing on Russia Today?

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What a horrible idea. Associating with conspiracy theorists and crackpots is not going to help get the message out about climate change - it just makes you look like a crackpot yourself.

Ugh. Why.

Media ignorance?

47 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Aug 8, 2014 10:34:55am

re: #44 Lidane

Also, if your religion prevents you from taking pictures or baking a cake or arranging flowers or selling a bunch of beaded and stitched fabric to a couple, you’re an asshole. Full stop.


Apparently it prevents some from allowing their church to be used for a funeral as well

48 Feline Fearless Leader  Aug 8, 2014 10:35:14am

re: #18 Rocky-in-Connecticut

what’s amusing, not actually funny, is that the Libertarian theology once insisted that immigration should be totally free and no borders should exist keeping workers from employment opportunities. Where is Ron Paul? Rand? Anyone who claims to uphold Libertarian values?

I guess all that Libertarian crap goes right out the window once race and culture enters the picture.

The Paul-ian libertarianism is just a fig leaf for wanting decentralized control so that local groups with power can discriminate and intimidate to their heart’s content. The only freedom they really advocate is for their own power elite to have the freedom to do what they want with minimal fear of being held accountable.

49 RealityBasedSteve  Aug 8, 2014 10:35:35am

re: #14 Ryan King

The only problem with LOL’ing at John Gabriel’s theory is that it foments an environment where it is actually acceptable to do really nasty stuff. So a 1000 people making a death threat and lamenting it’s just a 1000 people being childish douches misses that point that only 999 may be just douches: the last one may consider acting out further than just threats.

That’s why my opinion has changed and asshattery should not be excused or dismissed.

And from a psychological perspective, that fact that 1000 people have made a threat against you, mentally how to you process that, segment and rationalize it? I have tremendous respect for Charles and the rest of you who have had stalkers / threats made against you. I’m not sure that wouldn’t scare me off, or at least not be active.

RBS

50 BadExampleMan  Aug 8, 2014 10:36:05am

re: #18 Rocky-in-Connecticut

what’s amusing, not actually funny, is that the Libertarian theology once insisted that immigration should be totally free and no borders should exist keeping workers from employment opportunities. Where is Ron Paul? Rand? Anyone who claims to uphold Libertarian values?

I guess all that Libertarian crap goes right out the window once race and culture enters the picture.

Silly libtard: Libertarian is for Reel Merkins only!

51 Interesting Times  Aug 8, 2014 10:36:13am

re: #45 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

I’m not giving up on Mann because of this, but yeah, he’s shown bad judgment. Russia is a state where CT-laden AGW-denying “documentaries” are shown on state TV.

Could that be why he decided to appear on RT, i.e. a thoroughly misguided attempt at pushback?

52 Feline Fearless Leader  Aug 8, 2014 10:37:12am

re: #23 Lidane

Oh, but didn’t you know? The REAL racist and the REAL threat to America is the blah guy in the White House:

Anti-Immigrant Activist Fears Obama Plans For FEMA Coffins ‘To Handle 200 Million Deaths’

This kind of paranoid, delusional fearmongering is what triggers people into sending death threats and attacking a man for hosting a refugee family. This is the kind of shit we’re dealing with. It’s not rational, and it’s not based on any logic. It’s complete and total fear of The Other.

Though you have to admit that killing 200 million would be one hell of a job creation program.
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53 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 8, 2014 10:41:17am
54 BadExampleMan  Aug 8, 2014 10:41:24am

re: #52 Feline Fearless Leader

Though you have to admit that killing 200 million would be one hell of a job creation program.
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Yeah, that means every American not killed would have to kill 2 people on average, including children. And that’s in between working double shifts at the FEMA coffin manufacturing plant. Unless we outsource one or the other task to China.

55 b.d.  Aug 8, 2014 10:41:51am

lol

MAKE SURE ANY EMBASSY YOU MAY WANDER IN TO IS LARGER THAN A DOUBLE WIDE

56 Targetpractice  Aug 8, 2014 10:43:04am

re: #53 Backwoods_Sleuth

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SCOTUS can’t avoid this issue forever. And when they finally do take it up, there’s no room left to argue that this is a “states rights” matter anymore.

57 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Aug 8, 2014 10:43:24am

re: #51 Interesting Times

Could that be why he decided to appear on RT, i.e. a thoroughly misguided attempt at pushback?

RT’s TA is not Russian, so wouldn’t be much of a pushback. Actually, I have no idea what RT’s stance is. They pander both to the far left and the far right, so maybe they admit AGW on odd days and deny it on even days.

58 Eventual Carrion  Aug 8, 2014 10:43:27am

re: #48 Feline Fearless Leader

The Paul-ian libertarianism is just a fig leaf for wanting decentralized control so that local groups with power can discriminate and intimidate to their heart’s content. The only freedom they really advocate is for their own power elite to have the freedom to do what they want with minimal fear of being held accountable.

So territorial war lords, like Afaganistan and other countries that we accuse of being backward barbarians.

59 Lidane  Aug 8, 2014 10:46:01am

re: #58 Eventual Carrion

So territorial war lords, like Afaganistan and other countries that we accuse of being backward barbarians.

Yes, but instead of territorial warlords like in Somalia, we’d end up in some warped version of The Hunger Games with the country divided up into corporate districts run by billionaires and we’d fight to the death on live TV for their amusement to keep the peace.

60 De Kolta Chair  Aug 8, 2014 10:47:48am

re: #15 b.d.

Send all the latinos back to where they came from, except for the Cubans for some reason!

Deport the younger Cubans cuz they’re voting for the Demonrats!!!¡¡!)

61 Feline Fearless Leader  Aug 8, 2014 10:48:33am

re: #58 Eventual Carrion

So territorial war lords, like Afaganistan and other countries that we accuse of being backward barbarians.

If all the laws regarding illegal drugs, civil rights, voting, etc. were totally given over to the states how quickly do you think one or more states would turn into something looking like a 3rd world oligarchy-style dictatorship?

And I wouldn’t want to live down river or down wind from one either since I expect the air and/or water would soon be full of all sort of unregulated pollutants.

62 iossarian  Aug 8, 2014 10:49:03am

re: #48 Feline Fearless Leader

The Paul-ian libertarianism is just a fig leaf for wanting decentralized control so that local groups with power can discriminate and intimidate to their heart’s content. The only freedom they really advocate is for their own power elite to have the freedom to do what they want with minimal fear of being held accountable.

Actually, I happen to think that Rand Paul *is* actually a libertarian “on the inside” - he’s just figured out that you can’t actually get elected in the US if you advocate straight-down-the-line libertarianism, hence his dancing on civil rights and so on.

It’s another instance of what politicians believe personally being more or less irrelevant - what’s important is how they vote/what policies they actually push forwards.

63 Feline Fearless Leader  Aug 8, 2014 10:49:10am

re: #59 Lidane

Yes, but instead of territorial warlords like in Somalia, we’d end up in some warped version of The Hunger Games with the country divided up into corporate districts run by billionaires and we’d fight to the death on live TV for their amusement to keep the peace.

There would be Rollerball instead.
;p

64 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Aug 8, 2014 10:49:41am

re: #63 Feline Fearless Leader

There would be Rollerball instead.
;p

Or Thunderdome

65 iossarian  Aug 8, 2014 10:49:57am

re: #62 iossarian

Ugh. “Actually, actually actually.”

Moar editing required!

66 Feline Fearless Leader  Aug 8, 2014 10:50:50am

re: #64 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Or Thunderdome

Rollerball was entertainment for the masses. Thunderdome is for legal disputes - with mass entertainment being a secondary use.

67 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Aug 8, 2014 10:51:43am

re: #56 Targetpractice

SCOTUS can’t this issue forever. And when they finally do take it up, there’s no room left to argue that this is a “states rights” matter anymore.

People who get married in one state have to be legally married in any state they visit or move to.

68 RealityBasedSteve  Aug 8, 2014 10:53:38am

re: #66 Feline Fearless Leader

Rollerball was entertainment for the masses. Thunderdome is for legal disputes - with mass entertainment being a secondary use.

If they bring back Rollerball, I want the one with James Caan.

Youtube Video

RBS

69 Kragar  Aug 8, 2014 10:54:59am

re: #56 Targetpractice

SCOTUS can’t avoid this issue forever. And when they finally do take it up, there’s no room left to argue that this is a “states rights” matter anymore.

States Rights has been a bullshit reason since the beginning. Pre-Civil War, the same people who screamed “States Rights!” as a reason to continue slavery love it when the Federal government backed them over the rights of free states when it came to Fugitive Slave laws. The same assholes who scream “State’s Rights” when trying to ban abortion and SSM are the first assholes to say we need a Federal Law or Constitutional amendment to do it at a national level.

70 Feline Fearless Leader  Aug 8, 2014 10:56:08am

re: #68 RealityBasedSteve

If they bring back Rollerball, I want the one with James Caan.

[Embedded content]

RBS

There’s another? I think not. There is only *one* Rollerball.

71 jaunte  Aug 8, 2014 10:56:13am

Need some anti-Hispanic talking points? Just ask Fox.

Dec, 2013:

Texas principal bans Hispanic students from speaking Spanish to ‘prevent disruptions’
A group of students told KHOU that Hempstead Middle School Principal Amy Lacey announced over the intercom on Nov. 12 that they were no longer to use their native language in order to “prevent disruptions.”
rawstory.com

March, 2014:

Principal who told kids not to speak Spanish will lose job

Hempstead Middle School Principal Amy Lacey was placed on paid administrative leave in December after reportedly announcing, via intercom, that students were not to speak Spanish on the school’s campus.chron.com

So here’s how Fox is treating the story….

72 jaunte  Aug 8, 2014 10:56:33am

August 2014:

From today’s Fox news “what you should be outraged about” email

“….. They [Bill O’Reilly and Laura Ingraham] agreed that even though Lacey never mandated that English be spoken, it was still portrayed as an “affront” to Hispanic culture.

O’Reilly was surprised that there was no counter-protest in support of the ousted principal.”

73 Lidane  Aug 8, 2014 10:58:27am

re: #67 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

People who get married in one state have to be legally married in any state they visit or move to.

And that will ultimately be the reason why same-sex marriage will inevitably be the law in all 50 states. People need to have the right to travel freely for work or to live or whatever, and they need to have a uniform set of laws at play for income tax purposes. They can’t be married in one state and unmarried in another. It doesn’t work that way.

74 klys  Aug 8, 2014 11:00:32am

re: #73 Lidane

And that will ultimately be the reason why same-sex marriage will inevitably be the law in all 50 states. People need to have the right to travel freely for work or to live or whatever, and they need to have a uniform set of laws at play for income tax purposes. They can’t be married in one state and unmarried in another. It doesn’t work that way.

That it’s been allowed up to this point is complete bullshit.

75 FemNaziBitch  Aug 8, 2014 11:01:36am

NIce nice Christian-American behavior.

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76 Lidane  Aug 8, 2014 11:04:41am

re: #74 klys

That it’s been allowed up to this point is complete bullshit.

It’s only been allowed because some people keep insisting on this “states’ rights” horseshit. They have it in their heads that civil rights are up for a popular vote. Er, no. Doesn’t work that way.

77 FemNaziBitch  Aug 8, 2014 11:06:10am

re: #3 Charles Johnson

This goes quite a bit beyond adolescent behavior - they’re threatening his wife and children and putting their address and pictures on hate sites.

There seem to be a lot of adults who use internet anonymity to behave like teenagers and expect to be shielded from the consequences.

78 FemNaziBitch  Aug 8, 2014 11:07:07am

Had a wonderful nap, now young adult son is puppy sitting so I can run errands in a few.

How has your day gone so far?

79 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Aug 8, 2014 11:07:13am

re: #76 Lidane

It’s only been allowed because some people keep insisting on this “states’ rights” horseshit. They have it in their heads that civil rights are up for a popular vote. Er, no. Doesn’t work that way.

This the same approach as in 1850: Slavery was a matter of states’ rights, but the Fugitive Slave Act was federal law.

80 lawhawk  Aug 8, 2014 11:07:18am

re: #74 klys

That’s what happened with the anti-miscegenation laws. A handful never had any ban at all. Some states had them but later banned them. Others repealed them as part of reconstruction only to reenact them later, but they were all finally ruled unconstitutional in 1967 in Loving v. Virginia.

The SSM bans are heading in the same direction, only much faster.

81 FemNaziBitch  Aug 8, 2014 11:07:58am

re: #79 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

This the same approach as in 1850: Slavery was a matter of states’ rights, but the Fugitive Slave Act was federal law.

excellent observation!

82 Targetpractice  Aug 8, 2014 11:08:28am

re: #76 Lidane

It’s only been allowed because some people keep insisting on this “states’ rights” horseshit. They have it in their heads that civil rights are up for a popular vote. Er, no. Doesn’t work that way.

We have Anthony Kennedy to thank for it remaining so for longer than it took the Prop 8 challenge to show up on the SCOTUS desk. IIRC, the argument offered at the time was that gay marriage being legal was inevitable, but the court worried as to the social upheaval of overturning all such bans. This time, I don’t think they’ll have even that excuse. There’s not yet been a court at any level which has upheld a state-level ban.

83 Lidane  Aug 8, 2014 11:09:41am

re: #79 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

This the same approach as in 1850: Slavery was a matter of states’ rights, but the Fugitive Slave Act was federal law.

And the same people fighting against SSM to the death will also swear up and down that if that asshole Lincoln hadn’t “invaded” the South, the Confederate states would have voted to end slavery on their own time.

You know, because states have the right to decide who’s a human and who’s not, and whether or not owning another person is legal. :-P

84 klys  Aug 8, 2014 11:10:23am

re: #80 lawhawk

That’s what happened with the anti-miscegenation laws. A handful never had any ban at all. Some states had them but later banned them. Others repealed them as part of reconstruction only to reenact them later, but they were all finally ruled unconstitutional in 1967 in Loving v. Virginia.

The SSM bans are heading in the same direction, only much faster.

It’s funny how the full faith and credit clause applies to everything except, you know, the one contract that has the most profound affect on most people’s lives.

85 wrenchwench  Aug 8, 2014 11:11:12am

re: #71 jaunte

Need some anti-Hispanic talking points? Just ask Fox.

Dec, 2013:

March, 2014:

So here’s how Fox is treating the story….

Holy crap.

Civil rights advocates say Lacey’s suspension may have set off a campaign to intimidate Hispanics, including the district’s superintendent, Delma Flores-Smith. They are calling for the Department of Justice and the FBI to investigate possible civil rights violations. An FBI spokesman would not confirm an investigation.

Flores-Smith reports that she’s seen strangers watching her house and taking photos. She says vandals have trashed her yard, and someone has rifled through her garbage. She is worried about her safety.

Last month, school employees found that vandals had damaged the brakes of three Hempstead Independent School District buses and had left behind the bedraggled remains of a dead cat.

Hate crimes?

A bus with visibly severed brake lines didn’t leave the bus barn that morning. But two other buses, whose air-brake lines had been subtly nicked, carried children to school before the damage was discovered. Police investigated but didn’t identify any suspects.

“A lot of this sounds like Mississippi in the 1950s and ’60s,” Pinedo said during Monday night’s school board meeting, where the decision was made not to renew Lacey’s contract.

Pinedo acknowledged that there’s no hard evidence that the incidents are related or that they’re hate crimes.

“But when the lives of children are put in danger, that’s the bottom line,” he said. “We don’t know what the reasons are. Rather than guess, we’re asking the FBI to step in.”

That’s from your second link. The fifties never went away. they’ve been lurking, waiting to pop up again now.

86 lawhawk  Aug 8, 2014 11:11:30am

re: #83 Lidane

Jim Inhofe is spreading that noxious nonsense. He’s claiming that slavery would have come to an end because of the Constitution. Lincoln and the civil war had nothing to do with it.

Or the fact that the Supreme Court interpreted the constitution to protect slavery as an institution (see Scott, Dred.).

87 RealityBasedSteve  Aug 8, 2014 11:12:11am

re: #80 lawhawk

That’s what happened with the anti-miscegenation laws. A handful never had any ban at all. Some states had them but later banned them. Others repealed them as part of reconstruction only to reenact them later, but they were all finally ruled unconstitutional in 1967 in Loving v. Virginia.

The SSM bans are heading in the same direction, only much faster.

Interracial Marriage

SSM

It’s moving at lightning speed based on these surveys from Gallup

88 FemNaziBitch  Aug 8, 2014 11:13:23am

re: #86 lawhawk

Jim Inhofe is spreading that noxious nonsense. He’s claiming that slavery would have come to an end because of the Constitution. Lincoln and the civil war had nothing to do with it.

Or the fact that the Supreme Court interpreted the constitution to protect slavery as an institution (see Scott, Dred.).

This country was founded primarly for those who wanted to escape the tyranny of a single christian sect and unreasonable taxes. The purpose of the constitution is to make it possible for individuals to enforce contracts and make as much money as possible from their own ability to get others to work for them.

89 jaunte  Aug 8, 2014 11:14:39am

re: #85 wrenchwench

Hempstead is out in the boonies, basically a prairie ag town, so it is a lot like the 50’s.

90 Lidane  Aug 8, 2014 11:15:51am

re: #86 lawhawk

Jim Inhofe is spreading that noxious nonsense. He’s claiming that slavery would have come to an end because of the Constitution. Lincoln and the civil war had nothing to do with it.

Or the fact that the Supreme Court interpreted the constitution to protect slavery as an institution (see Scott, Dred.).

Ron Paul has been saying that shit for decades. I’m sure Rand says it too, but I can’t bring myself to listen to him. It’s a standard talking point on the “anarcho-capitalist” and libertarian right. Lincoln was a tyrant because he “invaded” and settled the question rather than letting the states decide slavery for themselves.

I’m not surprised Inhofe says the same things. He seems like a miserable asshole.

91 FemNaziBitch  Aug 8, 2014 11:16:14am

bbl

92 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Aug 8, 2014 11:16:32am

re: #85 wrenchwench

So here’s how Fox is treating the story….

Holy crap.

That’s from your second link. The fifties never went away. they’ve been lurking, waiting to pop up again now.

And that is a point that any Democratic candidate has to make clear: we cannot take any of the gains that have been in women, gay or minority rights over recent decades for granted.

93 Bulworth  Aug 8, 2014 11:28:18am

These are just really awful people. Family values, patriotic Americans, my ass…

94 Eventual Carrion  Aug 8, 2014 11:31:26am

re: #73 Lidane

And that will ultimately be the reason why same-sex marriage will inevitably be the law in all 50 states. People need to have the right to travel freely for work or to live or whatever, and they need to have a uniform set of laws at play for income tax purposes. They can’t be married in one state and unmarried in another. It doesn’t work that way.

Didn’t we try the states rights with a weak central government in our early years as a country? That experiment failed and we had to rethink our establishment.

95 Gus  Aug 8, 2014 12:04:01pm

Yes, because defeating Al Qaeda militarily alone has been such a success. Oops, wait.

96 ObserverArt  Aug 8, 2014 12:53:48pm

re: #89 jaunte

[Embedded image]

Hempstead is out in the boonies, basically a prairie ag town, so it is a lot like the 50’s.

So, only two or three TV stations and no internet to know the world has changed and moved on?

/

97 Jolo5309  Aug 8, 2014 1:34:46pm

re: #72 jaunte

August 2014:

[Embedded image]

Maybe she wants the kids to learn French?

98 lostlakehiker  Aug 8, 2014 3:43:19pm

re: #14 Ryan King

The only problem with LOL’ing at John Gabriel’s theory is that it foments an environment where it is actually acceptable to do really nasty stuff. So a 1000 people making a death threat and lamenting it’s just a 1000 people being childish douches misses that point that only 999 may be just douches: the last one may consider acting out further than just threats.

That’s why my opinion has changed and asshattery should not be excused or dismissed.

Absolutely. You don’t get to say “aw I was just funnin” after spouting off in the airport security line. And you shouldn’t get to when you go and threaten people’s lives over the internet.

99 lostlakehiker  Aug 8, 2014 3:49:12pm

re: #92 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

And that is a point that any Democratic candidate has to make clear: we cannot take any of the gains that have been in women, gay or minority rights over recent decades for granted.

Well, actually, you can. Those are basically locked in. The younger set among conservatives has a libertarian mindset and while that isn’t helpful if your goal is a university admissions system that gives extra points for being minority or female, that mindset has no problem with gay marriage, no problem with minorities having the exact same voting rights as everyone else, no problem with laws against discrimination in hiring, in school admissions, etc.

And that’s the conservatives—-who are a shrinking minority.


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