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1 Blue Fielder  Aug 9, 2014 10:11:18pm

You need to make multiple updings possible. Just for this, if nothing else.

2 ausador  Aug 9, 2014 10:13:51pm

For a little while there it looked as though the police were simply going to keep escalating their presence until something unfortunate happened. Glad they pulled back and let things settle down finally.

So far nothing worse has happened than a few random shots fired into the air (much earlier in the day) and a dumpster fire.

3 Comfortable, Fortunate, Oppressed, White Person  Aug 9, 2014 10:14:16pm

Every Little Thing Is Gonna Be Alright

One of my favorite songs.

4 ausador  Aug 9, 2014 10:25:07pm

This guy has done excellent onsite reporting via twitter today…lots of video from before the second big police deployment to now.

5 teleskiguy  Aug 9, 2014 10:31:05pm

re: #4 ausador

This guy has done excellent onsite reporting via twitter today…lots of video from before the second big police deployment to now.

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Yup. I thanked him earlier tonight.

6 Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 9, 2014 10:32:04pm

I’m a little late to the party.

Can someone fill me in on what the hell happened?

7 Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 9, 2014 10:40:44pm

Ok, well I just found out for myself.

I’m sure the RWNJs are already popping off about a new “race war”

8 ausador  Aug 9, 2014 10:44:45pm

re: #6 Eclectic Cyborg

I’m a little late to the party.

Can someone fill me in on what the hell happened?

An 18 year old black kid (Michael Brown) in Ferguson Missouri was shot 8-10 times and killed while unarmed. Unsubstantiated rumor is that he was possibly approached by the cop for shoplifting candy or possibly just for walking in the street with a friend instead of using the sidewalk.

Police have not said a word yet, not one single word, so that doesn’t bode too well for this being somehow use of justified force. The police chief announced that there will be a news briefing at 10:00am in the morning Sunday.

9 Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 9, 2014 10:49:01pm

re: #8 ausador

An 18 year old black kid (Michael Brown) in Ferguson Missouri was shot 8-10 times and killed while unarmed. Unsubstantiated rumor is that he was possibly approached by the cop for shoplifting candy or possibly just for walking in the street with a friend instead of using the sidewalk.

Police have not said a word yet, not one single word, so that doesn’t bode too well for this being somehow use of justified force. The police chief announced that there will be a news briefing at 10:00am in the morning Sunday.

Ugh, that sounds eerily similar to the Trayvon Martin shooting expect this time it was a cop instead of some douchebag neighborhood watch volunteer.

10 BeachDem  Aug 9, 2014 10:49:15pm

Lesser known civil rights event— Orangeburg Massacre

From wiki:

On February 8, 1968, approximately 200 protesters gathered on the campus of South Carolina State University (in the city of Orangeburg) to protest the segregation of the All Star Bowling Lane…

Police officers panicked when they thought they were being attacked (so they claimed) and fired into the crowd, killing three young men: Samuel Hammond, all-state basketball player Delano Middleton, and Henry Smith, and wounding 27 others.

Then Governor Robert Evander McNair blamed “outside Black Power agitators”, but subsequent investigations showed this allegation was without basis.

The ensuing trial, billed as the first federal trial of police officers for using excessive force at a campus protest, led to the acquittal of all nine defendants. (Cleveland) Sellers was the only individual imprisoned as a result of the incident. He served seven months in prison after a conviction for inciting to riot.

Sellers received a full pardon 25 years after his conviction, but he chose not to have his record expunged, keeping it as a “badge of honor.”

en.wikipedia.org

On my mind because Cleveland Sellers’ son, Bakari, is running for Lt. Gov. in South Carolina. The first time I heard Bakari speak, about four years ago, I felt like people must have when they first heard Barack Obama speak. He is really something.

sellers2014.com

11 Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 9, 2014 10:51:21pm

Then Governor Rick Perry blamed “outside Black Power agitators”, but subsequent investigations showed this allegation was without basis.

Kind of scary how it still perfectly fits.

12 teleskiguy  Aug 9, 2014 10:59:23pm

re: #10 BeachDem

Gawdam. That’s something.

13 Kragar  Aug 9, 2014 11:05:25pm
14 Kragar  Aug 9, 2014 11:10:04pm
15 Comfortable, Fortunate, Oppressed, White Person  Aug 9, 2014 11:18:23pm

re: #14 Kragar

I love you.

16 ausador  Aug 9, 2014 11:20:05pm

re: #13 Kragar

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Guy is a full time troll, he’s got five different conversations on different subjects going on at once and he is trolling hard in all of them.

17 Kragar  Aug 9, 2014 11:21:27pm

re: #16 ausador

Guy is a full time troll, he’s got five different conversations on different subjects going on at once and he is trolling hard in all of them.

Oh, I know better than to engage shit for brains head on, but that kind of stupid is going to be laid on thick in the coming days and it applies to them all.

18 Kragar  Aug 9, 2014 11:27:20pm

re: #15 Comfortable, Fortunate, Oppressed, White Person

I love you.

Youtube Video

19 teleskiguy  Aug 9, 2014 11:27:53pm

I can’t wait for Dim Jim’s incisive and thoroughly nuanced take on these matters. I’m sure it’ll be educational.

20 teleskiguy  Aug 9, 2014 11:30:34pm
21 Kragar  Aug 9, 2014 11:31:36pm

When in doubt, let Dio show you the way…

Youtube Video

22 ausador  Aug 9, 2014 11:32:37pm

re: #19 teleskiguy

The pictures portraying him as a “thug” (you know, being black, not dressed like a yuppie) are already surfacing, by tomorrow they’ll have their ducks in a row and can commence operation character assassination.

:(

23 gwangung  Aug 9, 2014 11:35:32pm

re: #22 ausador

The pictures portraying him as a “thug” (you know, being black, not dressed like a yuppie) are already surfacing, by tomorrow they’ll have their ducks in a row and can commence operation character assassination.

:(

Richard Sherman was right. “Thug” is the new N-word.

24 prairiefire  Aug 9, 2014 11:47:00pm

No, Lord deliver us from evil!

25 prairiefire  Aug 9, 2014 11:51:02pm

re: #16 ausador

Guy is a full time troll, he’s got five different conversations on different subjects going on at once and he is trolling hard in all of them.

It’s his Saturday night.

26 prairiefire  Aug 9, 2014 11:53:14pm

re: #8 ausador

An 18 year old black kid (Michael Brown) in Ferguson Missouri was shot 8-10 times and killed while unarmed. Unsubstantiated rumor is that he was possibly approached by the cop for shoplifting candy or possibly just for walking in the street with a friend instead of using the sidewalk.

Police have not said a word yet, not one single word, so that doesn’t bode too well for this being somehow use of justified force. The police chief announced that there will be a news briefing at 10:00am in the morning Sunday.

Shot 8-10 times for jaywalking? Lord, deliver us.

27 Kragar  Aug 9, 2014 11:54:29pm

re: #25 prairiefire

It’s his Saturday night.

“Well, I’ve ruled out ever successfully interacting with a woman, and every guy I know thinks I’m a jackass…. Time to hit twitter.”

28 Ryan King  Aug 9, 2014 11:56:11pm

re: #24 prairiefire

No, Lord deliver us from evil!

Word.

Race baiter is the new uppity ni-CLANG.

29 Ryan King  Aug 9, 2014 11:58:11pm
30 prairiefire  Aug 9, 2014 11:59:10pm

I’m so weary of the crazy seeping from my state. Lawhawk blogged about the Dredd Scott decision court room he visited here in MO. My heart weakens, we are meant to move forward.

31 Kragar  Aug 10, 2014 12:02:12am

HOLY CRAP!

Warning: Graphic, this guy looks like he swerves to hit the guy on purpose

32 Kragar  Aug 10, 2014 12:05:39am

Fuck

33 Floral Giraffe  Aug 10, 2014 12:10:29am

re: #31 Kragar

Holy crap & very sad.

34 The War TARDIS  Aug 10, 2014 12:16:13am

re: #31 Kragar

My Dad stills watches NASCAR, and has thought for years that Tony Stewart was a thug.

35 ausador  Aug 10, 2014 12:16:31am

Whoever posted the video has pulled it down, must have heard that Mr. Ward died.

Another source…

Youtube Video

37 Floral Giraffe  Aug 10, 2014 12:22:05am

re: #35 ausador

Video still appears here
deadspin.com

38 Kragar  Aug 10, 2014 12:25:36am

re: #37 Floral Giraffe

Video still appears here
deadspin.com

Tyler Graves, a sprint-car racer and friend of Ward’s, told Sporting News in a phone interview that he was sitting in the Turn 1 grandstands and saw everything that happened.

“Tony pinched him into the frontstretch wall, a racing thing,” Graves said. “The right rear tire went down, he spun on the exit of (Turn) 2. They threw the caution and everything was toned down. Kevin got out of his car. … He was throwing his arms up all over the place at Tony for most of the corner.

“I know Tony could see him. I know how you can see out of these cars. When Tony got close to him, he hit the throttle. When you hit a throttle on a sprint car, the car sets sideways. It set sideways, the right rear tire hit Kevin, Kevin was sucked underneath and was stuck under it for a second or two and then it threw him about 50 yards.”

Fucking hell.

39 Comfortable, Fortunate, Oppressed, White Person  Aug 10, 2014 12:25:37am

re: #36 Ryan King

Hahaha!

40 Kragar  Aug 10, 2014 12:26:25am
41 ausador  Aug 10, 2014 12:41:15am

Looked like Tony did give him a little nudge in the corner causing the guy’s car to spin to the wall. But then for the guy to jump out and onto the track to point and run at Tony as he came back around was sadly letting his anger get the best of himself.

Does look like Tony blipped the throttle, maybe he honestly thought he had clearance. Maybe he was being an ass and thought it would just give the guy a hard bump and thereby “teach him a lesson.”

Sad end for someone only 20 years old. :(

42 Ryan King  Aug 10, 2014 12:44:12am

I think anger got the best of both of them and one of them died.

43 Floral Giraffe  Aug 10, 2014 12:49:03am

re: #41 ausador

And a very talented 20 year old, doing what he loved.
It’s very sad for everyone involved.

44 ObserverArt  Aug 10, 2014 2:18:02am

Just woke up to see the story about Tony Stewart hitting a fellow driver. Stewart has had his anger issues on the track in the past. I am not saying it was on purpose, but it will be looked at very closely. People at the track seemed to think it may have been deliberate.

Too many times drivers get pissed and walk out toward the offending car/driver to shake a fist, toss a bird of throw a helmet or gloves. This hopefully will put an end to that.

RIP racer. Sad for everyone. Damn.

45 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Aug 10, 2014 3:00:36am

I am a bit of a wet blanket on this issue, but I drive to get from point A to B as safely and expeditiously as possible. Anyone who drives around in circles just to see how fast they can do it is asking for trouble.

46 Timothy Watson  Aug 10, 2014 3:24:04am

WTFITS from Breitbart (no, I’m not linking there)?

KEN CUCCINELLI: GOP ESTAB RACE-BAITING IN MS COST CONSERVATIVES IN OTHER STATES

Apparently, “race-baiting” is running a campaign that appeals to anyone who isn’t old and white?

47 Varek Raith  Aug 10, 2014 3:29:55am

re: #46 Timothy Watson

WTFITS from Breitbart (no, I’m not linking there)?

Apparently, “race-baiting” is running a campaign that appeals to anyone who isn’t old and white?

We just can’t seem to make Ken go away.
Sigh.

48 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Aug 10, 2014 3:31:07am

Kookynelli

49 Varek Raith  Aug 10, 2014 3:32:39am

Can’t have a bare boob on our flag!

50 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Aug 10, 2014 3:35:35am

re: #49 Varek Raith

He will love Russian money then.

51 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Aug 10, 2014 3:37:49am

re: #50 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

Cold Russian winters.

52 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Aug 10, 2014 3:40:43am

I didn’t know Florence was a Siberian town.

53 Varek Raith  Aug 10, 2014 3:47:17am

re: #50 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

Who is that?

54 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Aug 10, 2014 3:52:04am

George Harrison at the Concert for Dangling Flesh

55 Varek Raith  Aug 10, 2014 3:52:39am

re: #54 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Oh my.

56 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Aug 10, 2014 3:53:55am

re: #53 Varek Raith

57 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Aug 10, 2014 3:54:08am

My Sweet Lord, indeed!

58 makeitstop  Aug 10, 2014 4:01:06am

I posted a link to the story about the guy facing death threats for taking in the immigrant family on Facebook. Predictably, one of my FB Wingnuts said ‘I know two immigrant families, any of you liberals want to take them in?

I asked him if he’d threaten to kill me if I did, because that’s how the anti-immigrant folks seem to roll these days.

Then he got pissy about the fact that I used the word ‘folks,’ because Obama used that word in talking about torture victims.

Fucking deranged.

59 Timothy Watson  Aug 10, 2014 4:14:35am

re: #58 makeitstop

I posted a link to the story about the guy facing death threats for taking in the immigrant family on Facebook. Predictably, one of my FB Wingnuts said ‘I know two immigrant families, any of you liberals want to take them in?

I asked him if he’d threaten to kill me if I did, because that’s how the anti-immigrant folks seem to roll these days.

Then he got pissy about the fact that I used the word ‘folks,’ because Obama used that word in talking about torture victims.

Fucking deranged.

You should have used “you people”, I wonder what his response would have been then. :)

60 makeitstop  Aug 10, 2014 4:19:23am

re: #59 Timothy Watson

You should have used “you people”, I wonder what his response would have been then. :)

I find it pretty bizarre that these people go into freakout mode when someone uses the same word as the president used.

That’s how fine-tuned their hate triggers are, I guess. It’s nuts.

61 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Aug 10, 2014 4:21:49am

You folks. Foo yolks.

62 Timothy Watson  Aug 10, 2014 4:59:57am

re: #60 makeitstop

I find it pretty bizarre that these people go into freakout mode when someone uses the same word as the president used.

That’s how fine-tuned their hate triggers are, I guess. It’s nuts.

This is your brain, this is your brain on Fox News.

63 Botsplainer  Aug 10, 2014 5:18:31am

Whichever dumbass commander thought dogs would be a good idea needs to be fired unceremoniously.

Ferguson PD and the state Capitol at Springfield need to be the sites of large open carry demonstrations by angry crowds of black protestors.

64 darthstar  Aug 10, 2014 5:25:01am

Good morning…

About the pics at the top of this thread: I watched “The Butler” last night. Pretty good movie. Forrest Whitaker and Oprah Winfrey are both good in their roles. My only criticism of the film is that it had a Forrest Gump quality to it with regard to one of Whitaker’s on screen sons, who manages to be at the center of every major Civil Rights incident, riding the Freedom Bus, going to Jail with MLK, joining the Black Panthers, etc. Then I remembered the opening credits, where it read, “Based on THE true story.” (vs Based on a true story.) So while the butler did serve eight presidents, the story wasn’t about him, so much as civil rights during his employment.

65 makeitstop  Aug 10, 2014 5:25:13am

I haven’t seen a link yet, but someone on Facebook posted that Stewart will be able to continue racing and there will be no investigation.

Just about impossible to prove intent, I guess.

66 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Aug 10, 2014 5:34:13am




67 lawhawk  Aug 10, 2014 5:35:07am

Having just been in MO and the STL area, it’s all too easy to find history of slavery and racism. The Old Courthouse where Dred Scott was put on trial, and whose trial ended up changing the course of history and not for the better. Slavery may have ended with the Civil War (which the South lost, since they need reminding again), but institutional racism is alive and well (and the Conservatives on the Supreme Court need reminding every day given their ruling on the VRA).

Racism is alive and well in the US, and this shooting is yet another piece of evidence as proof. Unarmed black men can’t walk down a street without fear of being killed - by vigilantes like Zimmerman or law enforcement officers with loose trigger fingers. Armed white supremacists, insurrectionists, and extremist militia types who think they’re sovereign citizens can cow local communities and act menacing towards law enforcement with little fear of repercussion.

Unequal enforcement of the law is inherently racist.

68 b.d.  Aug 10, 2014 5:35:55am

Wow, amazingly close Dem. Senate primary in Hawaii:

U.S. Senate
(245 of 245)
Brian Schatz | 105,798 votes
49%
Colleen Hanabusa | 104,010 votes
49%

Glad that Schatz appears to be on top, hope it holds, he’s the real deal.

69 lawhawk  Aug 10, 2014 5:37:03am

OFFS.

GOPers again claiming that the situation in Iraq is Obama’s fault because he wanted to pull troops out too soon.

Ummm… President Bush set the timetable in motion, and keeping US troops in Iraq was up to successfully negotiating a SOFA that would be acceptable to the US. No deal was ever concluded because Iraq refused to immunize US forces. So the US left according to the schedule set by President Bush.

70 Targetpractice  Aug 10, 2014 5:40:28am

re: #69 lawhawk

OFFS.

GOPers again claiming that the situation in Iraq is Obama’s fault because he wanted to pull troops out too soon.

Ummm… President Bush set the timetable in motion, and keeping US troops in Iraq was up to successfully negotiating a SOFA that would be acceptable to the US. No deal was ever concluded because Iraq refused to immunize US forces. So the US left according to the schedule set by President Bush.

According to wingnuts, the President could have secured a new SOFA that got everything we wanted, but he just didn’t care enough to negotiate for it. That if he’d really wanted our troops to stay, he would have found a way to pressure Maliki and the Iraqi parliament into accepting an open-ended American occupation. How do they know this? Because we’re still in Japan and Germany. That’s all the evidence they have that it can be done.

71 lawhawk  Aug 10, 2014 5:41:59am

Watching CBS news, and they’ve got “Crisis in the MidEast” banners with a Palestinian flag that fades into an Israeli flag.

Memo to CBS. Violence and crisis in the MidEast is not distilled to purely Palestinian-Israeli conflict.

There’s a civil war in Syria. Violence ripping Iraq apart. Failed states in Libya, Yemen and Somalia. A failing state in Egypt. Don’t use graphics that are clearly misleading and wrong.

Those are all crises. And none have anything to do with Israel. In fact, several of those ongoing events have a higher death toll than the current Gaza conflict. By a factor of 100. 170,000 dead in Syria. ~1,700 dead in Gaza. But because Israel, the media attention is where it’s at.

72 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Aug 10, 2014 5:43:52am

73 lawhawk  Aug 10, 2014 5:45:15am

re: #66 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

I’ll take Egomaniacal heads of state for $200 Alex.

74 Targetpractice  Aug 10, 2014 5:45:42am

re: #71 lawhawk

Watching CBS news, and they’ve got “Crisis in the MidEast” banners with a Palestinian flag that fades into an Israeli flag.

Memo to CBS. Violence and crisis in the MidEast is not distilled to purely Palestinian-Israeli conflict.

There’s a civil war in Syria. Violence ripping Iraq apart. Failed states in Libya, Yemen and Somalia. A failing state in Egypt. Don’t use graphics that are clearly misleading and wrong.

Those are all crises. And none have anything to do with Israel. In fact, several of those ongoing events have a higher death toll than the current Gaza conflict. By a factor of 100. 170,000 dead in Syria. ~1,700 dead in Gaza. But because Israel, the media attention is where it’s at.

The other conflicts are Arabs killing Arabs, and that’s just not interesting news. But Arabs in conflict with our “ally”? That’s big news!

75 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Aug 10, 2014 5:45:55am

76 PhillyPretzel  Aug 10, 2014 5:48:26am

re: #75 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

One heck of a mess.

77 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Aug 10, 2014 5:49:13am

re: #76 PhillyPretzel

But the cancerous growth is getting smaller.

78 PhillyPretzel  Aug 10, 2014 5:52:17am

re: #77 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

True. It is taking long enough to get it under some sort of control.

79 Dr Lizardo  Aug 10, 2014 5:54:18am

re: #77 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

But the cancerous growth is getting smaller.

I read yesterday that Girkin (that always reminds me of the word gherkin) was saying that Lugansk and Donetsk were now separated and that the separatists in Donetsk were cut off. Of course, he wasn’t too happy about this, and apparently, Borodai resigned the other day and (I presume) skedaddled off back to Russia.

80 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 10, 2014 6:01:16am

My son has urged his wife and my daughter to take a “gun safety course”

81 Timothy Watson  Aug 10, 2014 6:02:40am

re: #66 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

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I have a feeling that Putin would really enjoy being a dentist *cough*sadist*cough*.

82 PhillyPretzel  Aug 10, 2014 6:06:08am

re: #80 Pie-onist Overlord

Is there any reason why he suggested that?

83 lawhawk  Aug 10, 2014 6:06:50am

re: #81 Timothy Watson

Is it safe? /Dr. Szell

84 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 10, 2014 6:08:19am

re: #82 PhillyPretzel

Is there any reason why he suggested that?

This happened two blocks from where my daughter lives.

85 PhillyPretzel  Aug 10, 2014 6:11:06am

re: #84 Pie-onist Overlord

Then I agree definitely it is a good idea. Since your son learned from the IDF he can probably do a better job of teaching gun safety than any course.

86 ObserverArt  Aug 10, 2014 6:11:48am

As an auto racing fan, I’ve been spending some time this morning reading about last night’s tragedy. One thing is clear these days…people are complete jacktards about everything. The comments in news stories, people commenting on racing forums, etc. are completely out of control. The hate for Tony Stewart, the speculation without fact, calling each other idiots all familiar.

So, it is not just politically related issues that bring out the crazy. It is everything.

87 sagehen  Aug 10, 2014 6:12:17am

re: #64 darthstar

Good morning…

About the pics at the top of this thread: I watched “The Butler” last night. Pretty good movie. Forrest Whitaker and Oprah Winfrey are both good in their roles. My only criticism of the film is that it had a Forrest Gump quality to it with regard to one of Whitaker’s on screen sons, who manages to be at the center of every major Civil Rights incident, riding the Freedom Bus, going to Jail with MLK, joining the Black Panthers, etc. Then I remembered the opening credits, where it read, “Based on THE true story.” (vs Based on a true story.) So while the butler did serve eight presidents, the story wasn’t about him, so much as civil rights during his employment.

Some of the Butler’s interactions with Presidents are also amalgamated from other staff (although Cecil & his wife being official guests at a state dinner during the Reagan admin is a true thing).

For example, LBJ once asked one of his personal staff to drive his dogs to Texas (apparently the beagles didn’t like flying). The guy explained how difficult it was for a black man to find gas and hotels in the south, what could happen if he stopped to walk the dogs or let them shit by the side of the road, etc. This was news to Johnson, and had a major effect on how he thought about the Civil Rights Act and what he wanted included.

88 Timothy Watson  Aug 10, 2014 6:18:31am

re: #87 sagehen

For example, LBJ once asked one of his personal staff to drive his dogs to Texas (apparently the beagles didn’t like flying). The guy explained how difficult it was for a black man to find gas and hotels in the south, what could happen if he stopped to walk the dogs or let them shit by the side of the road, etc. This was news to Johnson, and had a major effect on how he thought about the Civil Rights Act and what he wanted included.

Interesting article on Wikipedia about that: “The Negro Motorist Green Book”

89 Romantic Heretic  Aug 10, 2014 6:21:22am

re: #24 prairiefire

No, Lord deliver us from evil!

I’m afraid that’s our job.

Most humans see no reason why they should though.

90 makeitstop  Aug 10, 2014 6:25:17am

re: #86 ObserverArt

As an auto racing fan, I’ve been spending some time this morning reading about last night’s tragedy. One thing is clear these days…people are complete jacktards about everything. The comments in news stories, people commenting on racing forums, etc. are completely out of control. The hate for Tony Stewart, the speculation without fact, calling each other idiots all familiar.

So, it is not just politically related issues that bring out the crazy. It is everything.

This. I’ve noticed that people are just too ready to get enraged about just about anything - and I’ve noticed that social media has taken a hard turn for the worse, with people posting videos of fights, animal abuse and war porn all over Facebook.

We are a sick society, period. Like Stanley Sea said last night, we’ve got a problem, and a big one.

91 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Aug 10, 2014 6:30:38am

re: #79 Dr Lizardo

Strelkov also posted a whine about Cossacks, who deserted “as usual” :D

92 Dr Lizardo  Aug 10, 2014 6:33:23am

re: #91 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

Strelkov also posted a whine about Cossacks, who deserted “as usual” :D

Yeah, I saw that. He must be getting nervous.

I wonder what he’s going to do? Is he going to go back to Russia if it looks like the gig is up, or will he stay and fight until his last bullet - which I imagine he’ll use on himself; I don’t think he’ll allow himself to be taken alive by Ukrainian forces.

93 PhillyPretzel  Aug 10, 2014 6:33:47am

re: #90 makeitstop

My co-workers prefer to view maggots coming of some bodily orifice and I rather look at Emergency Kittens.

94 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Aug 10, 2014 6:39:50am

re: #92 Dr Lizardo

I sort of wish he went back to Russia. It would be very exciting to watch what happens next. Can they allow the head of the terrorists simply live on as if nothing has happened? I suppose they could in some other situation, what with all the sanctions and such. But now that he has an enormous political capital among wingnuts… Would Putin allow it?

I suppose the probability that something happens to him on the Ukrainian territory is … pretty significant.

95 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Aug 10, 2014 6:45:13am

re: #94 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

There is also this matter of executions on his orders. This is something that basically requires some legal response from the Russian side, even if the “military actions” were otherwise deemed legal.

96 makeitstop  Aug 10, 2014 6:45:18am

On a lighter note, happy birthday to the man responsible for simple, timeless designs like these - Leo Fender.

Jazzmaster and Jazz Bass clones. Thanks, Leo.

97 Dr Lizardo  Aug 10, 2014 7:04:48am

re: #95 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

I just really don’t imagine Girkin surviving this conflict. Either he’ll kill himself or he’ll choose to go out in a blaze of glory - maybe leading a “banzai charge” against a Ukrainian position or something like that.

Provided he’s not otherwise done in during battle.

98 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Aug 10, 2014 7:09:35am

re: #97 Dr Lizardo

On the other hand he also used to swear that he would sooner die than give up Slavyansk…

99 Dr Lizardo  Aug 10, 2014 7:13:59am

re: #98 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

On the other hand he also used to swear that he would sooner die than give up Slavyansk…

Heh…..good point. He’s moving the goalposts.

I suppose his last defiant cry will be, “I’d sooner die than give up this storm drain I’m hiding in!”

100 thedopefishlives  Aug 10, 2014 7:31:00am

Morning Lizardim from the warm, dry, and beautiful wild north country. Hoping to add a little more rain yet this weekend - after our significant surplus to start the season, this summer has seriously dried out, and now we find ourselves needing just a bit more moisture to put us over the hump into fall. It seems I missed quite a bit while I was in my little offline bubble last night. How go things in the war on derp?

101 darthstar  Aug 10, 2014 7:32:16am
102 Targetpractice  Aug 10, 2014 7:35:48am

re: #101 darthstar

1 billion votes

Image: VoterImpersonation.gif

I especially like the wording at the end, “May have.” Reminds me of the story about all the “dead voters” in SC which turned out to be clerical errors, voters who died after voting, and other innocuous shit that left the number of potential fraudulent votes at a tiny handful.

103 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 10, 2014 7:40:18am
104 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Aug 10, 2014 7:41:03am

Magical thinking:

vognebroda.net

The icon was in Japan during the Fukushima disaster and saved the Russian Far East from radiation - the wind was blowing towards America!

And of course it’s also a myrrh-streaming icon.

(Also, Amurrika is ebil.)

PS: They say they arrived in DNR acc. to the blessing of Patr. Kirill’s confessor.

105 darthstar  Aug 10, 2014 7:41:11am

Because you all don’t have enough fiber in your diets, here’s a breakfast word salad.

Youtube Video

106 makeitstop  Aug 10, 2014 7:44:27am

re: #105 darthstar

Because you all don’t have enough fiber in your diets, here’s a breakfast word salad.

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Video

If I listened to Princess Dumbass for more than 3 seconds, I’d need to plunge screwdrivers into my ears.

107 ObserverArt  Aug 10, 2014 8:00:45am

re: #105 darthstar

Because you all don’t have enough fiber in your diets, here’s a breakfast word salad.

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Video

WTF was that? That salad didn’t even have any greens in it.

I take that is from the new Palin TV. If it is, good luck with that.

108 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Aug 10, 2014 8:01:23am

re: #103 Pie-onist Overlord

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In case anything thinks this is in any way exaggerated: The poster makes the claim that every Jewish business funnels money to Israel, and it calls for a boycott against every Jewish business.

Ebraico means “Jewish”. It doesn’t mean “Israeli”. Just “Jewish.”

109 Teukka  Aug 10, 2014 8:02:35am

re: #66 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

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Same PR firm or agitprop textbook, eh?
Lame and so 50’s and 60’s.

I also took the liberty of arranging all the pics in one on IMGUR:

110 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Aug 10, 2014 8:03:27am

So, irony award for accusing Israel and the US of shutting down legitimate pro-Palestinian activists with accusations of anti-semitism, given that this poster engages in blatant anti-semitism.

111 [deleted]  Aug 10, 2014 8:05:39am
112 ObserverArt  Aug 10, 2014 8:08:04am

Chuckles Todd is now saying Obama has never had any kind of foreign doctrine on MTP.

Oh, I know…it’s all Obama’s fault. Rich Lowery from The National Review says so.

CHUCK TODD for President!!! Rich Lowery for VP!!!

Hey put up or shut up. Grab your guns and fly over to Iraq boys. Take Peter King with you.

Damn…I am so frustrated by the world right now. Arrrrrggghhh!!!

113 Teukka  Aug 10, 2014 8:08:10am

re: #111 dr. luba

I’d like this sort of outcome:[Embedded image]

Pardon my french, but I would like most of the assholes caught alive and well, and then hauled off to ICC.

114 darthstar  Aug 10, 2014 8:09:19am

re: #107 ObserverArt

WTF was that? That salad didn’t even have any greens in it.

I take that is from the new Palin TV. If it is, good luck with that.

Yep…PalinTV. Now you, too, have seen all you’ll ever need to see of it.

115 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Aug 10, 2014 8:11:27am

re: #111 dr. luba

Dude, not everyone wants to look at pictures of lynched people. At least spoiler it.

116 dr. luba  Aug 10, 2014 8:18:11am

re: #113 Teukka

To love out their lives in comfort in the EU? I don’t know. While I’m not a fan of capital punishment, I think the Italians got it right in this case.

117 Targetpractice  Aug 10, 2014 8:18:13am

re: #112 ObserverArt

Chuckles Todd is now saying Obama has never had any kind of foreign doctrine on MTP.

Oh, I know…it’s all Obama’s fault. Rich Lowery from The National Review says so.

CHUCK TODD for President!!! Rich Lowery for VP!!!

Hey put up or shut up. Grab your guns and fly over to Iraq boys. Take Peter King with you.

Damn…I am so frustrated by the world right now. Arrrrrggghhh!!!

Well, there’s a hint of truth to it. The President has not really defined his presidency by foreign policy, unlike the last guy who spent all his time fucking with people half a world away and leaving the rest of us at the mercy of the banks. In fact, it seems like most every Republicans president since Nixon has defined his time in office by his exploits overseas.

118 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 10, 2014 8:18:29am

re: #110 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

So, irony award for accusing Israel and the US of shutting down legitimate pro-Palestinian activists with accusations of anti-semitism, given that this poster engages in blatant anti-semitism.

The Latuff cartoon is the giveaway. Latuff engages in BLATANT antisemitism and then he’s all HURR HURR TEH JUICE IS CALLIN’ ME ANTISEMITE FOR MY CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM OF ISRAEL JUST TO SHUT ME UP BOOHOO

119 Teukka  Aug 10, 2014 8:22:31am

re: #116 dr. luba

To love out their lives in comfort in the EU? I don’t know. While I’m not a fan of capital punishment, I think the Italians got it right in this case.

Death is a luxury which I think it is ill advised to afford these assholes. Also, expect long trial with writhing defendants at ICC, these astroturfed insurgents have not exactly been GC compliant (e.g. perfidy, killings of civilians, etc).

120 Dr Lizardo  Aug 10, 2014 8:27:35am

I find this rather interesting; apparently Putin sacked 18 top-ranking officials, including some heads from the Ministry of Internal Affairs and others.

Russian President Vladimir Putin has sacked 18 high-ranking officers from their posts, according to a Ukrainian news website.

In a purging move by the embattled world leader, heads of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the Federal Drug Control Service and the Investigative Committee of the Russian Federation lost their jobs.

The dismissals, reported exclusively by Euromaidan Press, are said to have been carried out in secret.

While no official announcement appears to have been made by Mr Putin, reporters have posted links to the Kremlin’s official website - which can be translated into English - that show a list of staff “released” from their posts.

The move is understood to have been made on Wednesday, 6 August, but has not been reported in any of the mainstream media, either at home or abroad.

independent.co.uk

Here it is in Russian: kremlin.ru

and the Google Translate version: translate.google.com

121 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 10, 2014 8:28:02am
122 ObserverArt  Aug 10, 2014 8:28:16am

re: #117 Targetpractice

Well, there’s a hint of truth to it. The President has not really defined his presidency by foreign policy, unlike the last guy who spent all his time fucking with people half a world away and leaving the rest of us at the mercy of the banks. In fact, it seems like most every Republicans president since Nixon has defined his time in office by his exploits overseas.

I agree to a degree. He was not interested in spending tons of money to fight stupid wars in countries where no one has ever won a damn thing.

But, isn’t having a hands-off policy as far as military (costly) a doctrine? It is a belief, a policy.

It seems the Republican idea of foreign doctrine is that Obama needed to clean up the mess that he inherited. That would be their doctrine.

Truthfully, I am so frustrated this morning by all the jaw flapping about everything, I really can’t think straight. I’m gonna stay on the sidelines and watch.

123 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Aug 10, 2014 8:28:36am

re: #116 dr. luba

To love out their lives in comfort in the EU? I don’t know. While I’m not a fan of capital punishment, I think the Italians got it right in this case.

Then you are, in fact, a fan of capital punishment.

124 Dr Lizardo  Aug 10, 2014 8:29:31am

re: #120 Dr Lizardo

Actually, here’s the translated version - via Google Translate:

Personnel changes in the federal government bodies

August 6, 2014, 17:30

Tags: civil service, law enforcement

Vladimir Putin has signed a decree “On the appointment, removal from office or dismissal from military service military personnel and employees of some federal government agencies.”

Full text of the Decree:

1 Assign:

Stanislav Ivanov Germanovich - Prosecutor of the Leningrad region;

Major-General Kozlov Oleg Alexandrovich - Chief of Staff - First Deputy Commander of the Volga regional command of internal troops of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Russian Federation, freeing him from his post;

Major General Hovhannisyan Yeghishe Pavlovich - Deputy Commander of the Eastern Regional Command of the Internal Troops of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Russian Federation for Emergency Situations;

Police Colonel Ryabchikov Tatyana V. - Deputy Chief of Staff of the Department of staffing of the Federal Service for Drug Control;

Selifanova Benjamin Veniaminovich - Volga Interregional environmental prosecutor;

Colonel Justice Sukhoparova Andrei Viktorovich - Deputy Chief of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Russian Federation in the Chelyabinsk region - Chief of the Main Investigative Department;

Police Lieutenant Colonel Yakymenko Alexei Petrovich - head of the Russian Federal Service for Drug Control in the Khanty-Mansiysk Autonomous Okrug - Yugra.

2 Release from the post:

Colonel Yury Bobel Justice, the Deputy Chief of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Russian Federation in the Rostov region - Chief of the main investigation department;

Police Colonel Didenko Vladimir Nikolaevich, Deputy Chief of the Anti-Extremism Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Russian Federation;

Major General Duginova Valeri Vladimirovich, Deputy Commander of the Siberian regional command of internal troops of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Russian Federation on the rear - chief of logistics;

Police Major General Yury V. Lazarev, Deputy Head of the Federal Service for Drug Control of the city of St. Petersburg and Leningrad region;

Police Lieutenant General Skalunova Vladimir, Chief of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Russian Federation in the Chelyabinsk region;

Major-General Vasily Alexandrovich Fedoruk, chief intelligence agency - deputy commander of Joint United Nations group of troops (forces) in the counter-terrorist operations in the North Caucasus region of the Russian Federation of Internal Troops of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Russian Federation.

3 discharged from military service, Colonel-General Vladimir Rushailo Borisovich.

4 This Decree shall enter into force on the date of its signing.

125 RealityBasedSteve  Aug 10, 2014 8:34:14am

re: #105 darthstar

Because you all don’t have enough fiber in your diets, here’s a breakfast word salad.

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She’s like everybody’s nightmare of a crazy aunt, who’s been hitting the eggnog at the christmas dinner.

RBS

126 Decatur Deb  Aug 10, 2014 8:35:55am

re: #23 gwangung

Richard Sherman was right. “Thug” is the new N-word.

Perversely, that’s a good thing. Now the National Education Association and other public-sector unions have something more to identify with.

127 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Aug 10, 2014 8:43:16am

re: #126 Decatur Deb

Perversely, that’s a good thing. Now the National Education Association and other public-sector unions have something more to identify with.

Oh, there’s a thousand ways to say n***** without actually saying it.

Urban, them, those people, street, hip-hop, gangbanger, rappers, gangstas, low-jean-wearers, “African-American” (the scare quotes tell you “I am a gigantic racist), apes, brothers, ghetto, homie, Leroy, etc. etc.

You just got to throw the right intonation in there and everyone knows what you mean. Out of an asshole like Hannity’s mouth “Well-educated young black professional” could be a virulent smear.

128 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Aug 10, 2014 8:43:44am

Gah repetitive stress injury sucks. Back to icing and resting my arm.

129 Decatur Deb  Aug 10, 2014 8:47:34am

re: #127 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

Oh, there’s a thousand ways to say n***** without actually saying it.

Urban, them, those people, street, hip-hop, gangbanger, rappers, gangstas, low-jean-wearers, “African-American” (the scare quotes tell you “I am a gigantic racist), apes, brothers, ghetto, homie, Leroy, etc. etc.

You just got to throw the right intonation in there and everyone knows what you mean. Out of an asshole like Hannity’s mouth “Well-educated young black professional” could be a virulent smear.

“THEM” is all-caps here in Baja Alabama.

130 NJDhockeyfan  Aug 10, 2014 8:50:21am

Good morning lizards!

I just read about the Tony Stewart incident. I watched the video and it’s hard to say if it was a complete accident.

131 ObserverArt  Aug 10, 2014 8:56:35am

re: #128 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

Gah repetitive stress injury sucks. Back to icing and resting my arm.

I can relate. A few years ago I overused my hands working on my old home rehab I couldn’t really use them for a few days after they turned to useless locked claws. Even trying to work a mouse on a computer was painful. Driving to work hurt.

I hope you are feeling better shortly.

132 Rightwingconspirator  Aug 10, 2014 8:57:44am

re: #130 NJDhockeyfan

Good morning lizards!

I just read about the Tony Stewart incident. I watched the video and it’s hard to say if it was a complete accident.

I don’t believe it was intentional for a second. Ward went to the oncoming car and on dirt they don’t change course easily.

133 makeitstop  Aug 10, 2014 8:59:17am

re: #120 Dr Lizardo

I find this rather interesting; apparently Putin sacked 18 top-ranking officials, including some heads from the Ministry of Internal Affairs and others.

independent.co.uk

Here it is in Russian: kremlin.ru

and the Google Translate version: translate.google.com

The word ‘purge’ always makes me nervous, more so when it’s associated with Putin.

134 Targetpractice  Aug 10, 2014 8:59:46am

re: #132 Rightwingconspirator

I don’t believe it was intentional for a second. Ward went to the oncoming car and on dirt they don’t change course easily.

Involuntary manslaughter then.

135 NJDhockeyfan  Aug 10, 2014 9:01:26am

re: #132 Rightwingconspirator

I don’t believe it was intentional for a second. Ward went to the oncoming car and on dirt they don’t change course easily.

If he revved the engine beside Ward he’s in a shitload of trouble.

136 Rightwingconspirator  Aug 10, 2014 9:04:51am

re: #134 Targetpractice

Involuntary manslaughter then.

Dunno, Ward put himself at extreme risk going onto the track into traffic like that. If that’s not a major safety / rules violation I’ll be surprised. The video angle suck for judging the vector of Tonys car in the last yards.

137 ObserverArt  Aug 10, 2014 9:06:02am

re: #130 NJDhockeyfan

Good morning lizards!

I just read about the Tony Stewart incident. I watched the video and it’s hard to say if it was a complete accident.

If you know much about sprint cars on dimly lit dirt tracks and pissed off drivers in black driver suits and black helmet running at the offending car I think you can figure out what happened.

I think vision is a big culprit in this accident. I don’t think it is easy seeing anything coming from the side in a sprint car. Heck, I think it is hard to see straight ahead. Add in what I mention above and vision is a real problem.

A whole heck of a lot that could and did go wrong. I’m going with tragedy coming from bad decisions in the heat of the moment surrounded by a lot of bad situations and circumstances.

Hopefully there is a lot to be learned from this to help the always ongoing increase in racing safety.

138 NJDhockeyfan  Aug 10, 2014 9:07:28am

Russia’s Fast And Elusive TOPOL-M Ballistic Missile Is Scary As Hell

TOPOL-M Ballistic Missile

The giant TOPOL-M road-mobile intercontinental ballistic missile is one frightening creation of mankind. It can hide in cities, forests, or even nuclear-attack hardened bunkers. It’ll travel at over 15,000 MPH while taking evasive action and pumping out decoys on the way to its target.

…The TOPOL-M missile was designed to penetrate an American anti-ballistic missile shield by leveraging high-speed, a relatively small infrared signature during its boost phase, advanced decoys (as many as ten carried on a single missile), maneuvering mid-course capability, and maneuvering independently targeted reentry vehicles, of which it can carry up to six, although they are said to carry just one operationally.

The missile’s high speed shortens the time anyone can react to it, and every second matters when it comes to ballistic missile defense. The rocket motors were designed for a short, very powerful boost stage so that American space-based infrared detection satellites (SBIRS, DSP) have less time to detect and track it. Its decoys make it hard for radar to adequately track the correct target, and its countermeasures are said to have been upgraded to fool infrared tracking systems, which are use for mid-course interception. The missile and reentry vehicles’ ability to dynamically maneuver outside of their ballistic track makes producing an effective kill solution, or even predicting the TOPOL-M’s target, problematic. All these features come together to make a missile that is probably outside of America’s missile defense capabilities today, and the sheer number of them that exists makes the idea of defending against anything but a limited barrage totally invalid.

139 makeitstop  Aug 10, 2014 9:08:53am

re: #132 Rightwingconspirator

I don’t believe it was intentional for a second. Ward went to the oncoming car and on dirt they don’t change course easily.

There’s a quote that was posted here earlier that when you rev those cars on dirt, the rear end pitches right. Even if Stewart was just revving the engine to scare Ward, he should have realized how the car was going to react if he punched it.

I doubt he meant to kill Ward, but I wouldn’t be surprised if he was trying to put a scare into him and things went horribly wrong. But Stewart’s got real anger issues, IMO. He let it get the better of him last night, and behind the wheel of a race car is a bad place for that to happen.

140 Rightwingconspirator  Aug 10, 2014 9:09:00am

re: #137 ObserverArt

What is their typical speed under yellow? I’m not a sprint car fan, they look like barely guided missiles to me. It’s so easy for a guy to drift offline and then open wheels touch, chaos and ballistics take over.

141 Lidane  Aug 10, 2014 9:14:28am

re: #127 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

Oh, there’s a thousand ways to say n***** without actually saying it.

Urban, them, those people, street, hip-hop, gangbanger, rappers, gangstas, low-jean-wearers, “African-American” (the scare quotes tell you “I am a gigantic racist), apes, brothers, ghetto, homie, Leroy, etc. etc.

You just got to throw the right intonation in there and everyone knows what you mean. Out of an asshole like Hannity’s mouth “Well-educated young black professional” could be a virulent smear.

“Sketchy” also works:

White People Create App To Avoid, Um, ‘Sketchy’ Areas

142 RealityBasedSteve  Aug 10, 2014 9:14:39am

re: #130 NJDhockeyfan

Good morning lizards!

I just read about the Tony Stewart incident. I watched the video and it’s hard to say if it was a complete accident.

I agree…. there just isn’t enough information yet. My understanding is that they (imagine the track, possibly NASCAR) has asked that if anybody had any footage to send it to them. I don’t in any way think that Smoke TRIED to hit Kevin Ward, the most likely possibilities are that

1. He was going to just throw dirt on him, and the car jumped / Ward moved down.

2. He didn’t see Ward, dark track, driver in black firesuit, did see him and tried to go around, but it was too late.

3. Had already started to gas the engine, car started to slip up the track, then he sees Ward, but it too late. (Sprint cars don’t have a transmission or clutch as such, they have a T-handle that runs to the rear differential and pull it in or out of gear, but no clutch or tranny. That means that they have to keep goosing the engine to keep it going)

Sprint cars don’t have spotters on the radio telling the driver what’s up ahead, so Stewart was going into the situation without the benefit of knowing the driver was on the track.

In any case, the lawyers and insurance companies are going to be busy for the foreseeable future.

RBS

143 Rightwingconspirator  Aug 10, 2014 9:16:33am

re: #138 NJDhockeyfan

Russia’s Fast And Elusive TOPOL-M Ballistic Missile Is Scary As Hell

Irony-The Russians have more faith in our BMD than all the critics and a few of the proponents.

144 gwangung  Aug 10, 2014 9:19:43am

re: #141 Lidane

“Sketchy” also works:

White People Create App To Avoid, Um, ‘Sketchy’ Areas

Kristina Wong is doing a HILARIOUS set of reports for sketch factor:

instagram.com

145 Lidane  Aug 10, 2014 9:23:57am

STFU McCain:

146 Lidane  Aug 10, 2014 9:25:16am

WTFITS:

147 jaunte  Aug 10, 2014 9:26:24am

re: #145 Lidane

McCain slams Obama: We should have stayed in Iraq

For permanent screaming about deficit and where’s the strategy.

148 makeitstop  Aug 10, 2014 9:32:21am

re: #146 Lidane

WTFITS:

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No hyperbole there, no sir.
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149 NJDhockeyfan  Aug 10, 2014 9:35:13am
150 Rightwingconspirator  Aug 10, 2014 9:37:57am

Anyone else familiar with a little radio show called Peace Lovin Sunday Mornings? I’m just in that kinda mood so it’s Traffic, Little Feat, Blind Faith and some selected Beth Hart.

151 Targetpractice  Aug 10, 2014 9:39:02am

Also, in light of comments from Speaker Cruz and his meat puppet Rep. Boehner, remind any wingnuts who try to say the President needs permission to do anything in Iraq that the Authorization for Military Force in Iraq is still very much in effect because Congressional Republicans have refused time and again to allow it to be repealed.

152 dr. luba  Aug 10, 2014 9:40:06am

re: #119 Teukka

Death is a luxury which I think it is ill advised to afford these assholes. Also, expect long trial with writhing defendants at ICC, these astroturfed insurgents have not exactly been GC compliant (e.g. perfidy, killings of civilians, etc).

Intellectually I agree with you. I am opposed to capital punishment, for many reasons, not least of which is that I am not a killer, and supporting capital punishment makes me one. It makes me no better than those I would condemn.

But beneath my intellectualism and morality there is a bit of primal blood lust that wants to kill the bastards. String them up. Make them suffer as they made other people suffer. My people. Eye for an eye.

Civilization is about subsuming those urges for revenge, and I do. But I’m not a saint, and they’re still there, down in the depths of my primitive soul. I can understand when others, closer to the situation, do not. Would I have strung up Mussolini myself? No. But I think I understand why those who did so did.

153 NJDhockeyfan  Aug 10, 2014 9:42:05am
154 Kragar  Aug 10, 2014 9:43:43am

re: #153 NJDhockeyfan

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What a douche.

155 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Aug 10, 2014 9:45:44am

re: #137 ObserverArt

If you know much about sprint cars on dimly lit dirt tracks and pissed off drivers in black driver suits and black helmet running at the offending car I think you can figure out what happened.

I think vision is a big culprit in this accident. I don’t think it is easy seeing anything coming from the side in a sprint car. Heck, I think it is hard to see straight ahead. Add in what I mention above and vision is a real problem.

A whole heck of a lot that could and did go wrong. I’m going with tragedy coming from bad decisions in the heat of the moment surrounded by a lot of bad situations and circumstances.

Hopefully there is a lot to be learned from this to help the always ongoing increase in racing safety.

Sprint cars are rocket drift cars. It’s insane to jump out in the middle of a bunch of them going 60 mph (under yellow) and get that close to one. Stewart should have been farther down, but who knows what was going on in his cockpit. It’s tragic, and stupid, and dangerous all around. I feel for Ward’s family.

As to racing safety? The easiest solution to learn from instances like this is to stay in your fucking car until the safety vehicles arrive unless it’s on fire. And don’t walk into the middle of the track while 700hp drift rockets are flying by at highway speeds.

Also, drivers who do shit like this (get onto tracks, confront other drivers, throw shit at moving cars, whatever) should be penalized heavily in points or suspensions.

156 RealityBasedSteve  Aug 10, 2014 9:48:22am

re: #153 NJDhockeyfan

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Here is a video of him in a concert. I’m not a musician by any stretch, but it seems like even during his solos, the other guitarists are carrying most of the load. I’d love a technical review of his playing from some of the knowledgeable crew here. (and I’m sorry if it makes your ears and/or eyes bleed watching it)

Youtube Video

RBS

157 Kragar  Aug 10, 2014 9:48:52am

Watch our for low flying pigs

158 NJDhockeyfan  Aug 10, 2014 9:50:57am

re: #157 Kragar

Watch our for low flying pigs

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Hillary blames Obama…

159 Stanley Sea  Aug 10, 2014 9:52:42am

See this yet? Unverified of course…

160 Lidane  Aug 10, 2014 9:54:19am

re: #159 Stanley Sea

Wow. If that ends up being remotely true I can’t even imagine the fallout.

161 Rightwingconspirator  Aug 10, 2014 9:55:51am

re: #159 Stanley Sea

Gotta be careful, lots of inflammatory crap thrown around every time there is an incident like this. This is not just unverified it’s rank hearsay. Not to defend the cops at all tho…

162 Dr Lizardo  Aug 10, 2014 9:57:27am

re: #159 Stanley Sea

See this yet? Unverified of course…

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If indeed that was the case, by Odin’s beard, there’s gonna be hell to pay. That sounds like something I’d expect to hear being done by some kind of death-squad, not a police department.

There are rumors that the incident may have been captured on video. Anyone hear anything about that?

163 Romantic Heretic  Aug 10, 2014 10:00:20am

re: #74 Targetpractice

The other conflicts are Arabs killing Arabs, and that’s just not interesting news. But Arabs in conflict with our “ally”? That’s big news!

More important Israel is ‘the good guys’ and we’re on their side so we’re ‘the good guys.’

In Syria, there are no ‘good guys’ so we don’t get involved because then we might end up being the ‘bad guys.’

That can’t be allowed to happen.

164 Targetpractice  Aug 10, 2014 10:00:37am

re: #158 NJDhockeyfan

Hillary blames Obama…

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Yeah, there’s a shocker. Hillary Clinton doing something to elevate herself above the fray.

165 Ryan King  Aug 10, 2014 10:00:56am

The story put out by the presser doesn’t add up.

There was a ‘struggle’ over shoplifting or black kids walking in the street.

The unarmed black kid got shot multiple times.

166 Decatur Deb  Aug 10, 2014 10:01:22am

re: #161 Rightwingconspirator

re: #162 Dr Lizardo

Watch out for Rashomon. Here is an involved kid’s statement:

kltv.com

Here is the beginning of the police official position:

detroitnews.com

167 Stanley Sea  Aug 10, 2014 10:01:51am

re: #162 Dr Lizardo

If indeed that was the case, by Odin’s beard, there’s gonna be hell to pay. That sounds like something I’d expect to hear being done by some kind of death-squad, not a police department.

There are rumors that the incident may have been captured on video. Anyone hear anything about that?

No, been looking. Something was said about phones being confiscated.

I’m sure there were witnesses.

168 ausador  Aug 10, 2014 10:03:26am

Still not much info on what happened but apparently that “shoplifting candy” rumor was false, no mention of it now. How did a cop approaching two men for “walking in the street” end up with one of them shot multiple times? No real explanation for that yet… :(

A news conference was held simultaneously in a different building. There, St. Louis County Police Jon Belmar said the incident began when the officer encountered two men on the street near an apartment complex on Saturday afternoon in a predominantly black suburb a few miles north of downtown St. Louis.

Belmar said one of the men pushed the officer back into his squad car and the struggle began. Belmar said at least one shot was fired inside the police car.

The struggle spilled out into the street where the teenager was shot. Police have not disclosed his name, but family members say it was 18-year-old Michael Brown.

Shell casings found at the scene matched the officers’ gun. Belmar said the teen was shot multiple times, but it wasn’t yet known how many.

“It was more than just a couple,” he said.

stlouis.cbslocal.com

169 Dr Lizardo  Aug 10, 2014 10:05:15am

re: #167 Stanley Sea

No, been looking. Something was said about phones being confiscated.

I’m sure there were witnesses.

I would imagine there likely were eyewitnesses.

Just…..damn.

170 Stanley Sea  Aug 10, 2014 10:05:48am

Be back this afternoon.

Going for a convertible ride in the mountains to let the wind wash away all my cares. wheeee

171 Teukka  Aug 10, 2014 10:06:17am

re: #152 dr. luba

Intellectually I agree with you. I am opposed to capital punishment, for many reasons, not least of which is that I am not a killer, and supporting capital punishment makes me one. It makes me no better than those I would condemn.

But beneath my intellectualism and morality there is a bit of primal blood lust that wants to kill the bastards. String them up. Make them suffer as they made other people suffer. My people. Eye for an eye.

Civilization is about subsuming those urges for revenge, and I do. But I’m not a saint, and they’re still there, down in the depths of my primitive soul. I can understand when others, closer to the situation, do not. Would I have strung up Mussolini myself? No. But I think I understand why those who did so did.

Going through the process of trial will also be much more of a deterrent than being lynched, as it will expose the defendants for what they are, the deeds they did, and not give them any “out” as to having been disposed of by the “fascists”.

172 ObserverArt  Aug 10, 2014 10:07:55am

re: #140 Rightwingconspirator

What is their typical speed under yellow? I’m not a sprint car fan, they look like barely guided missiles to me. It’s so easy for a guy to drift offline and then open wheels touch, chaos and ballistics take over.

Just getting back…working on wood stripping (still!).

Well, they were just given the yellow caution, so I imagine they were down to about 50-60 mph at the time and then they probably would go another lap to get down to about 40. The engines are so radical they probably would stall at anything slower.

I’ve always considered a dirt sprint car to be a fast tractor. They are very basic…just engine, rear end quick change, drive shaft, tubes, gas tank and some shocks and basic brakes. And those big ass staggered rear tires which are also part of what may have happened. The rears are considerably wider and taller on the right side.

Under power the damn things want to go sideways more then forward…a product of all that engine and short wheelbase. So your reference of ‘barely guided’ is a good one.

173 ausador  Aug 10, 2014 10:08:01am

re: #159 Stanley Sea

See this yet? Unverified of course…

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Seems a little over the top, the cop would have to be certifiably insane to do that, I doubt the truth will turn out to be quite so…bloodthirsty.

174 Decatur Deb  Aug 10, 2014 10:08:09am

re: #170 Stanley Sea

Be back this afternoon.

Going for a convertible ride in the mountains to let the wind wash away all my cares. wheeee

Carbon footprint
Ultraviolet exposure
Unsafe at Any Speed
Hypoxia
Wildfire

175 Romantic Heretic  Aug 10, 2014 10:08:56am

re: #117 Targetpractice

Well, there’s a hint of truth to it. The President has not really defined his presidency by foreign policy, unlike the last guy who spent all his time fucking with people half a world away and leaving the rest of us at the mercy of the banks. In fact, it seems like most every Republicans president since Nixon has defined his time in office by his exploits overseas.

That may be because if they did things at home it would be close to admitting that there are problems at home. Since America is perfect, in the so-called conservative’s eyes, there can be no problems at home.

Also, in the so-called conservative’s eyes, the rest of the world is imperfect and must be perfected. So they expend most of their time and effort elsewhere. Best of all if they fail it doesn’t make America less perfect. It’s ‘those people’s’ fault for not accepting American advice and aid.

176 Teukka  Aug 10, 2014 10:11:02am

re: #174 Decatur Deb

Carbon footprint
Ultraviolet exposure
Unsafe at Any Speed
Hypoxia
Wildfire

Bug inhalation (esp. Bees and Wasps)

177 RealityBasedSteve  Aug 10, 2014 10:11:02am

re: #174 Decatur Deb

Carbon footprint
Ultraviolet exposure
Unsafe at Any Speed
Hypoxia
Wildfire

You could hit some BEES and have one get jammed up your nose.

178 RealityBasedSteve  Aug 10, 2014 10:11:42am

re: #176 Teukka

Bug inhalation (esp. Bees and Wasps)

exact same time stamp!!!!!

RBS

179 Decatur Deb  Aug 10, 2014 10:11:59am

re: #176 Teukka

re: #177 RealityBasedSteve

Dead tie.

180 Mattand  Aug 10, 2014 10:12:35am

re: #164 Targetpractice

Yeah, there’s a shocker. Hillary Clinton doing something to elevate herself above the fray.

Well, it beats multiple war porn postings, I guess.

181 makeitstop  Aug 10, 2014 10:13:37am

re: #156 RealityBasedSteve

Here is a video of him in a concert. I’m not a musician by any stretch, but it seems like even during his solos, the other guitarists are carrying most of the load. I’d love a technical review of his playing from some of the knowledgeable crew here. (and I’m sorry if it makes your ears and/or eyes bleed watching it)

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Video

RBS

He’s not playing most of that. I think it’s the guy behind him doing the heavy lifting on that one. His band actually sounds pretty good, though.

He does have a more credible voice for blues than I would have imagined.

182 Ryan King  Aug 10, 2014 10:13:46am

re: #172 ObserverArt

Well, they were just given the yellow caution, so I imagine they were down to about 50-60 mph at the time and then they probably would go another lap to get down to about 40. The engines are so radical they probably would stall at anything slower.

I don’t doubt for a second that Stewart didn’t know he ran Ward into the fence and would probably know there’s a crash and ensuing yellow.

Also, the blue car the passed Ward before Stewart was running at a much lower speed and not sideways. Stewart was going faster than the other cars. I’m somewhat incredulous that he didn’t have some perspective on what was going on.

183 makeitstop  Aug 10, 2014 10:16:32am

re: #162 Dr Lizardo

If indeed that was the case, by Odin’s beard, there’s gonna be hell to pay. That sounds like something I’d expect to hear being done by some kind of death-squad, not a police department.

Pretty much a drive-by by cop. Not good.

184 Romantic Heretic  Aug 10, 2014 10:16:53am

re: #146 Lidane

WTFITS:

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Lindsey Graham predicts prays for an ‘American city in flames’ if Obama doesn’t go to war in Iraq ow.ly

FTFY.

185 Teukka  Aug 10, 2014 10:17:38am

re: #178 RealityBasedSteve

exact same time stamp!!!!!

RBS

Beat you to it!
Ha-Ha! :P

186 Varek Raith  Aug 10, 2014 10:18:00am

re: #149 NJDhockeyfan

He’s such a dick.

187 ausador  Aug 10, 2014 10:19:23am

re: #162 Dr Lizardo

If indeed that was the case, by Odin’s beard, there’s gonna be hell to pay. That sounds like something I’d expect to hear being done by some kind of death-squad, not a police department.

There are rumors that the incident may have been captured on video. Anyone hear anything about that?

The same twitter user who started the shoplifting rumor talked about videos existing that might have captured all or part of the altercation. He then later tweeted links to two different facebook page videos, both links went to a “content unavailable” page at facebook. Don’t know if there ever was really a video there or not…

188 RealityBasedSteve  Aug 10, 2014 10:20:05am

re: #185 Teukka

Beat you to it!
Ha-Ha! :P

It was a photo finish, and the stewards ruled you won by a nose. (and with my nose, you must have been well in front).

RBS

189 makeitstop  Aug 10, 2014 10:20:10am

re: #164 Targetpractice

Yeah, there’s a shocker. Hillary Clinton doing something to elevate herself above the fray.

Distancing one’s self to a point is expected.

But I really hope the Democrats don’t abandon Obama and end up making the same mistake as Gore did regarding Clinton. Bubba was a lot more popular than Gore’s campaign took into consideration, and if they’d let Bill campaign Gore’s margin might have ended up enough for a clean win.

190 BeachDem  Aug 10, 2014 10:20:36am

re: #168 ausador

Belmar said at least one shot was fired inside the police car.

Fired INSIDE or fired FROM inside? Big difference. Sounds like the police are covering some asses.

191 BeachDem  Aug 10, 2014 10:22:02am

re: #173 ausador

Seems a little over the top, the cop would have to be certifiably insane to do that, I doubt the truth will turn out to be quite so…bloodthirsty.

And I’m guessing the “truth” from the police perspective will be, no doubt, “whitewashed.”

192 A Mom Anon  Aug 10, 2014 10:22:33am

re: #90 makeitstop

I used to be (key words used to be) on a few Facebook garage sale forums, yes, garage sale forums, that I left just this week over the following:

1) name calling and fights over people trying to find someone to buy puppies and kittens. Some claiming the animals were stolen, others saying they were bait dogs for dogfighting, others saying they were puppy/kitten mill animals. Things then went on to threats on people’s CHILDREN.

2) last night someone hacked into another garage sale forum and posted a picture of Hitler with something about liberals want this for America or some shit. The first post below that was a large bowl of “soup” made out of aborted baby parts with a heading of wanting to sell that soup for 3 dollars a bowl. The whole site went batshit crazy with people on the same side who wanted that shit removed fighting with each other, and the guy who did that began threating people’s CHILDREN with molestation and death. It took the moderators TEN HOURS to remove that shit. The guy who did this has several facebook identities and this is his hobby or something.

Now, these are pages for people to post things they want to sell, your garden variety yard/garage sale type items, sometimes someone will put an ad up that they fix computers or paint houses or babysit. And two out of the three in my area I was part of disintegrated into madness and fighting over bullshit. So yeah, American might need some anger management therapy, just a tad.

193 Ryan King  Aug 10, 2014 10:24:11am

re: #190 BeachDem

Belmar said at least one shot was fired inside the police car.

Fired INSIDE or fired FROM inside? Big difference. Sounds like the police are covering some asses.

The press conference lends credence that a young unarmed black kid was shot while running away. Multiple times.

I can’t see how this gets justified in any way shape or form.

194 dr. luba  Aug 10, 2014 10:33:16am

re: #192 A Mom Anon

I used to be (key words used to be) on a few Facebook garage sale forums, yes, garage sale forums, that I left just this week over the following:

1) name calling and fights over people trying to find someone to buy puppies and kittens. Some claiming the animals were stolen, others saying they were bait dogs for dogfighting, others saying they were puppy/kitten mill animals. Things then went on to threats on people’s CHILDREN.

2) last night someone hacked into another garage sale forum and posted a picture of Hitler with something about liberals want this for America or some shit. The first post below that was a large bowl of “soup” made out of aborted baby parts with a heading of wanting to sell that soup for 3 dollars a bowl. The whole site went batshit crazy with people on the same side who wanted that shit removed fighting with each other, and the guy who did that began threating people’s CHILDREN with molestation and death. It took the moderators TEN HOURS to remove that shit. The guy who did this has several facebook identities and this is his hobby or something.

Now, these are pages for people to post things they want to sell, your garden variety yard/garage sale type items, sometimes someone will put an ad up that they fix computers or paint houses or babysit. And two out of the three in my area I was part of disintegrated into madness and fighting over bullshit. So yeah, American might need some anger management therapy, just a tad.

Being an admin on FB is a major PITA, and not easy. I run several small groups (Ukrainian-themed, not political) and have to deal with spammers trying to join, people making rude and nasty comments, and people trying to post political material. I take care of things, but FB is not my life, and I’m not on line 24/7 watching what’s going on. I was even off-line for 2 weeks this summer, so things got dealt with slowly.

If you want something removed, or find something objectionable, the best thing to do is to message the admin, not click on the “report” link. I have no idea what that does, but it doesn’t report to me. If you want to help out policing the site, write the admin and offer to do so; maybe they’ll make you a co-admin and you can share in the fun.

That being said, there is a reason all new members need approval in my groups. And I check their pages. The occasional nut or spammer gets by, but I’ve prevented several Russian Nazis and many spammers (Moroccan for some reason) from joining.

EDIT: I have co-admins in 2 of 3 groups, and the third is very specialist with not much activity, so it’s not like I abandoned things for two weeks. We were promised WiFi at the camp in Ukraine, and it was there when we signed the contract. When the telephone line went down, though, no one ever got around to fixing it……

195 NJDhockeyfan  Aug 10, 2014 10:35:38am

This will last about as long as it takes for Hamas to reload.

196 ausador  Aug 10, 2014 10:36:37am

Holy shit, things just about blew up in Ferguson again. Somebody got killed (not sure how yet) and a rumor started that it was the witness to yesterdays shooting. Crowds went ballistic thinking police “eliminated” the other guy who was with the victim during the incident. Black community leaders getting things calmed down now telling the people protesting that the person who died was NOT the witness.

197 dr. luba  Aug 10, 2014 10:37:58am

re: #153 NJDhockeyfan

They may have to suffer more—Seagal has said he may seek Russian citizenship.

Question to lizards—is dual citizenship of that sort legal?

198 Dr Lizardo  Aug 10, 2014 10:40:09am

re: #196 ausador

Holy shit, things just about blew up in Ferguson again. Somebody got killed (not sure how yet) and a rumor started that it was the witness to yesterdays shooting. Crowds went ballistic thinking police “eliminated” the other guy who was with the victim during the incident. Black community leaders getting things calmed down now telling the people protesting that the person who died was NOT the witness.

Oh, shit. Good thing the community leaders got things calmed down and cooler heads prevailed.

199 Dr Lizardo  Aug 10, 2014 10:40:52am

re: #197 dr. luba

They may have to suffer more—Seagal has said he may seek Russian citizenship.

Question to lizards—is dual citizenship of that sort legal?

Seagal will only become a Russian citizen provided there’s an all-you-can-eat buffet where’s he planning on settling down.

200 RealityBasedSteve  Aug 10, 2014 10:41:33am

re: #197 dr. luba

They may have to suffer more—Seagal has said he may seek Russian citizenship.

Question to lizards—is dual citizenship of that sort legal?

A U.S. national may acquire foreign nationality by marriage, or a person naturalized as a U.S. national may not lose the nationality of the country of birth. U.S. law does not mention dual nationality or require a person to choose one nationality or another. Also, a person who is automatically granted another nationality does not risk losing U.S. nationality. However, a person who acquires a foreign nationality by applying for it may lose U.S. nationality. In order to lose U.S. nationality, the law requires that the person must apply for the foreign nationality voluntarily, by free choice, and with the intention to give up U.S. nationality.

From the US State Department

201 BeachDem  Aug 10, 2014 10:42:46am

From an AP release, the story seems pretty slanted (bolding mine)

Belmar said at a news conference Sunday morning that a Ferguson Police officer had an encounter with two people. He says one person allegedly pushed the officer back into patrol car and assaulted the officer.

He says there was a struggle over the officers’ weapon and one shot was fired in the car. The officer then got out of his vehicle and shot at “a subject.”

He says the man suffered more than a couple gunshots, but “not many more than that.”

202 Kragar  Aug 10, 2014 10:43:58am

re: #201 BeachDem

From an AP release, the story seems pretty slanted (bolding mine)

Belmar said at a news conference Sunday morning that a Ferguson Police officer had an encounter with two people. He says one person allegedly pushed the officer back into patrol car and assaulted the officer.

He says there was a struggle over the officers’ weapon and one shot was fired in the car. The officer then got out of his vehicle and shot at “a subject.”

He says the man suffered more than a couple gunshots, but “not many more than that.”

Frankly, that sounds like total bullshit

203 dr. luba  Aug 10, 2014 10:45:12am

re: #200 RealityBasedSteve

However, a person who acquires a foreign nationality by applying for it may lose U.S. nationality. In order to lose U.S. nationality, the law requires that the person must apply for the foreign nationality voluntarily, by free choice, and with the intention to give up U.S. nationality.

He has stated he wants to keep both nationalities. Can he do so?

204 Blue Fielder  Aug 10, 2014 10:45:34am

re: #171 Teukka

Going through the process of trial will also be much more of a deterrent than being lynched, as it will expose the defendants for what they are, the deeds they did, and not give them any “out” as to having been disposed of by the “fascists”.

What a hopeful statement this is. That last part, sadly, has no bearing on reality, as racist shitbags have a tendency to see everyone who isn’t one of them as part of a great grand conspiracy to wipe them out. They usually claim that any guilty verdict handed to racists for acting on their deep beliefs is a “lynching” by “PC commie librul thugs”.

205 Ryan King  Aug 10, 2014 10:45:57am

We all know how this is going to go. And on top of that, the police presence with dogs afterward, I’m glad it didn’t explode last night.

206 ausador  Aug 10, 2014 10:49:59am

Wow can twitter be the computer memory suck, some of these pages with video gifs and photos in every post can eat up over a gig of memory. My poor older vista computer is crying uncle and is barely functional just with one page open… :(

207 RealityBasedSteve  Aug 10, 2014 10:50:14am

re: #203 dr. luba

He has stated he want to keep both nationalities. Can he do so?

From what I read, yes he can. The State Dept. discourages it, but apparently it can be done. Again, from State dept.

Intent can be shown by the person’s statements or conduct. The U.S. Government recognizes that dual nationality exists but does not encourage it as a matter of policy because of the problems it may cause. Claims of other countries on dual national U.S. nationals may conflict with U.S. law, and dual nationality may limit U.S. Government efforts to assist nationals abroad. The country where a dual national is located generally has a stronger claim to that person’s allegiance.

If memory serves, renouncing your US Citizenship consists basically of going to a US Embassy or Consulate, making a sworn statement and turning in your passport.

208 Dr Lizardo  Aug 10, 2014 10:51:41am

Looks like Recep Tayyip Erdogan will indeed be the first popularly-elected President of the Turkish Republic.

hurriyet.com.tr

No surprise there; he’s been forecast to win for quite some time now.

209 Rightwingconspirator  Aug 10, 2014 10:52:01am

re: #205 Ryan King

We all know how this is going to go. And on top of that, the police presence with dogs afterward, I’m glad it didn’t explode last night.

I was so tempted to shop in cats or pet pigs for the dogs. But the topic is too serious.

210 Dr Lizardo  Aug 10, 2014 10:55:57am

Bryan Fischer, take note!!

An inventor in an eastern Turkish village has managed to patent a robot that he designed to keep bears away from farms and gardens.

“My hand-made robot shocks bears or boars with 25,000 volts of electricity when it senses they are approaching,” 46-year-old Mustafa Karasungur told Doᇺn News Agency on Aug. 10 in his hometown, the village of Gölbaşı in Erzurum province.

hurriyetdailynews.com

webtv.hurriyet.com.tr

211 Rightwingconspirator  Aug 10, 2014 10:58:53am

And this folks is why police need to wear contour cams on the uniform. The dashcam ain’t gettin it done.

212 Teukka  Aug 10, 2014 11:02:09am

re: #211 Rightwingconspirator

And this folks is why police need to wear contour cams on the uniform. The dashcam ain’t gettin it done.

Safety for the cops, safety for the public, learning opportunity for both but mostly them cops.
I approve.

213 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Aug 10, 2014 11:03:11am

re: #195 NJDhockeyfan

This will last about as long as it takes for Hamas to reload.

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The last one lasted exactly as long as Hamas promised, though.

Right? I mean, sure they’re shitty to start up firing rockets again after it expired, but they did actually hold to it?

214 Charles Johnson  Aug 10, 2014 11:03:40am
215 Ryan King  Aug 10, 2014 11:05:05am

re: #214 Charles Johnson

Dead quiet on Fox and on blogs.

216 Mattand  Aug 10, 2014 11:05:53am

re: #214 Charles Johnson

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Enjoy the lack of idiocy while you can. By this time tomorrow, we’ll be awash in GOTP talking points about how ‘those’ people brought own their own murders.

217 Teukka  Aug 10, 2014 11:07:03am

re: #216 Mattand

Enjoy the lack of idiocy while you can. By this time tomorrow, we’ll be awash in GOTP talking points about how ‘those’ people brought own their own murders.

I’m just waiting on the moment when a GOTP drops the N-bomb on a hot mic, live or in social media :(
I’m cynical, I know…

218 Ryan King  Aug 10, 2014 11:07:11am

One of Brent Bozell’s many propaganda blogs CNS News:

Missouri crowd after shooting: ‘Kill the police’

219 RealityBasedSteve  Aug 10, 2014 11:07:36am

re: #214 Charles Johnson

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I would have figured that they would be out on the Sunday Talk Circus, I guess they don’t know how bad this could be, and are going to hold back. I’m sure that DimJim will weigh in before the sun sets today however.

RBS

220 Kragar  Aug 10, 2014 11:08:54am
221 Ryan King  Aug 10, 2014 11:09:06am

Stewart running over Ward has gotten more MSM TV time this AM, in my unscientific estimate.

222 ausador  Aug 10, 2014 11:10:16am

re: #211 Rightwingconspirator

And this folks is why police need to wear contour cams on the uniform. The dashcam ain’t gettin it done.

I agree pretty much but there has to be a way to not use them at certain times. The Police unions don’t want them for multiple reasons some of which are valid objections. Personal privacy when they aren’t dealing with the public for one, getting witness statements and talking to informants for another.

But giving the officer the option of turning the device off when not needed means that some events will not be recorded either because the incident came as a surprise to the officer or because he…”forgot”…to turn it on. Any law mandating their use would have to include a way to shield their contents from random FOIA requests and fishing expiditions that would withstand constitutional challenge.

223 Charles Johnson  Aug 10, 2014 11:11:48am

re: #218 Ryan King

That’s an AP story. And notice who’s claiming the crowd yelled “Kill the police.”

St. Louis County police said a large crowd confronted officers following the shooting, yelling such things as “kill the police.”

224 Kragar  Aug 10, 2014 11:13:51am

re: #223 Charles Johnson

That’s an AP story. And notice who’s claiming the crowd yelled “Kill the police.”

Its like when pro-choicers chanted “hail satan” during the Texas debates!
///

225 Dr Lizardo  Aug 10, 2014 11:14:13am

re: #223 Charles Johnson

That’s an AP story. And notice who’s claiming the crowd yelled “Kill the police.”

Precisely. Nonetheless, I’m sure that wingnut crowd will be all over this in no time at all.

And I wanted to thank you for promoting my article yesterday to the Front Page. I was asleep when you did that, but it was the first thing I saw when I woke up today.

226 Ryan King  Aug 10, 2014 11:14:17am

re: #220 Kragar

I don’t have the time or effort but if I had 5 minutes I can find pictures of just about every B-List pop culture Hollywood celebrity making that same sign out in front of a club or at a party.

227 Mattand  Aug 10, 2014 11:15:23am

re: #217 Teukka

I’m just waiting on the moment when a GOTP drops the N-bomb on a hot mic, live or in social media :(
I’m cynical, I know…

I’m genuinely shocked it hasn’t happened at this point. As goofy as this sounds, I think conservatives/GOTP types have enough discipline to know they can dog whistle as long as they want, as long they don’t go N-bomb.

Making vague comments about people based on race or religion gives right wingers enough wiggle room to go “What??? I never said that!!! You must be the REAL racist, since that’s what you think!”

As soon as they go with the blatant racial slur, their little game blows up in their faces. People who are naive/stupid enough to believe the whole “They never specifically used a slur” charade will turn on them in an instant.

228 Lidane  Aug 10, 2014 11:15:45am

St. Louis County Police Chief Jon Belmar said at a news conference that an officer encountered two people on the street near an apartment complex Saturday afternoon in Ferguson, a predominantly black suburb a few miles north of downtown St. Louis.

Belmar said one of the men pushed the officer back into his squad car and the struggle began. Belmar said at least one shot was fired from the officer’s gun inside the police car.

The struggle spilled out into the street, where one of the two people was shot multiple times. Belmar said the exact number of shots wasn’t known, but “It was more than just a couple.” He also said all shell casings found at the scene matched the officer’s gun.

Ferguson Police Chief Thomas Jackson said the man who was shot was unarmed.

229 Ryan King  Aug 10, 2014 11:16:06am

re: #223 Charles Johnson

Oh yeah, good catch. CNS merely titled it for maximum effect.

I’m sure CNS ‘journalists’ will be doing some crack fact finding on this story.

230 Teukka  Aug 10, 2014 11:20:05am

re: #227 Mattand

Yah, but on the other hand, dancing on the fence may cause to become complacent enough to make … “mistakes”.

231 ausador  Aug 10, 2014 11:22:04am

re: #223 Charles Johnson

That’s an AP story. And notice who’s claiming the crowd yelled “Kill the police.”

Saw a couple of tweets from people who were there last night that acknowledged that a couple of people in the crowd out of the hundreds there did yell that out at some point. People were hurt and angry and with many people protesting of course someone out of the group is going to take it too far. :(

But the news articles make it sound like the whole crowd was chanting it or something rather than it being a few isolated incidents. I notice the headlines are…

Angry Crowd: “Kill The Police”

and not,

“Police Officer Kills Unarmed Teenager.”

Our press sucks… :(

232 Rightwingconspirator  Aug 10, 2014 11:24:20am

re: #222 ausador

To me the solution there is that the footage (100% of patrol and interview/arrest times) would be blocked from any but limited uses. As in criminal, not civil. “Interests of justice” no human resources or annual reviews. Something like that.

Off to go see Guardians. Allegedly Vin Diesels best acting ever, lol.

233 Kid A  Aug 10, 2014 11:24:42am

Right on schedule.

234 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Aug 10, 2014 11:27:24am

re: #233 Kid A

Again, can we not have dead bodies posted directly into the thread? I completely think it’s important to know that things like that happen, but the visual can be deeply upsetting.

235 Teukka  Aug 10, 2014 11:28:21am

re: #234 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

Again, can we not have dead bodies posted directly into the thread? I completely think it’s important to know that things like that happen, but the visual can be deeply upsetting.

+1

Gory shit behind spoiler + warning, at least. And relevance to discussion needed :(

236 ausador  Aug 10, 2014 11:29:12am

re: #234 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

Again, can we not have dead bodies posted directly into the thread? I completely think it’s important to know that things like that happen, but the visual can be deeply upsetting.

Agreed, please don’t post photos like that here.

237 thedopefishlives  Aug 10, 2014 11:32:35am

Wow. I come back to the thread only to see this. Lovely.

238 BeachDem  Aug 10, 2014 11:33:08am

re: #223 Charles Johnson

That’s an AP story. And notice who’s claiming the crowd yelled “Kill the police.”

And from most of the tweets from participants, they were chanting “No justice, no peace,” which makes a lot more sense (but, as it doesn’t fit the right wing narrative, will be deep-sixed by tomorrow for sure.)

239 Kid A  Aug 10, 2014 11:34:46am

Deleted. Sorry, I didn’t realize the photo was in the tweet. My apologies.

240 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Aug 10, 2014 11:36:11am

re: #239 Kid A

Deleted. Sorry, I didn’t realize the photo was in the tweet. My apologies.

Well you win the incredibly rare ‘taking mature and prompt responsibility for your actions on the internet award’, so you’ve got that going for you.

241 Kragar  Aug 10, 2014 11:37:31am
242 Dr Lizardo  Aug 10, 2014 11:39:25am

re: #241 Kragar

The same folks who think its great that cops shot an unarmed kid were outraged when Police showed up armed at Bundy Ranch #Ferguson

BUT THOSE WERE WHITE PEOPLE REAL AMERICAN PATRIOTS THE COPS WERE GONNA SHOOT!!

243 Kragar  Aug 10, 2014 11:39:47am
244 dr. luba  Aug 10, 2014 12:06:18pm

re: #226 Ryan King

I don’t have the time or effort but if I had 5 minutes I can find pictures of just about every B-List pop culture Hollywood celebrity making that same sign out in front of a club or at a party.

Two of my volunteers at summer camp (in Ukraine):

Somehow, I don’t think they’d be at risk of being shot.

245 abolitionist  Aug 10, 2014 12:12:44pm

re: #128 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

Gah repetitive stress injury sucks. Back to icing and resting my arm.

If it’s related to mousing around on a desktop PC several hours per day, I have a suggestion: Make an arm/elbow rest that extends about 1.5 feet from the underside of your desk/table, preferably in a way that allows it to swivel a bit, left and right.

It can be as simple as a 1in x 3in x 3ft board, with a hook-and-eye attachment to the underside of a wooden desk or table. If computer table/desk is metal or glass, just glue a small block of wood to its underside first, and screw a hook (or eye) thingy into that.

Hints: Screw the eye (or hook) into the top side of the board, about 8 to 12 inches from the far end. That end will then press against the underside of the desk/table, but is free to move left/right.

Options: Glue a small block of wood or foam to the top side of your support board, at the far end. It should be about same thickness as the gap-space for the hook-and-eye suspension attachment, keeping board closer to level. Sandpaper the board to avoid splinters. Maybe attach some foam padding for your arm/elbow.

/former coder; RSI survivor

246 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Aug 10, 2014 12:23:13pm

re: #245 abolitionist

I have a glass desk, but I may put a clamp on it.

247 BeenHereAwhile  Aug 10, 2014 12:34:26pm

re: #87 sagehen

Some of the Butler’s interactions with Presidents are also amalgamated from other staff (although Cecil & his wife being official guests at a state dinner during the Reagan admin is a true thing).

For example, LBJ once asked one of his personal staff to drive his dogs to Texas (apparently the beagles didn’t like flying). The guy explained how difficult it was for a black man to find gas and hotels in the south, what could happen if he stopped to walk the dogs or let them shit by the side of the road, etc. This was news to Johnson, and had a major effect on how he thought about the Civil Rights Act and what he wanted included.

In the 1960s, Otis Redding was driving his Cadillac from Memphis to Macon GA, and had car problems while traveling thru Mississippi.

Knowing full well that no white Mississippi garage mechanic would fix that Cadillac, if he knew it was Otis’s car - Otis convinced the mechanic how important it was to get “my master’s car fixed and home to him.”

R & B bands back in that day got into the car and drove straight thru with no unnecessary stops until the next show. If possible they “bicycled” two shows, one at 8-9:30 PM in one town, then on to the next show at 11 PM in the next venue.

248 abolitionist  Aug 10, 2014 12:37:28pm

re: #246 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

My first was with a glass table, but I didn’t even need a hook-and-eye suspension. Just slid my board between horizontal parts of the metal frame support structure.


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