Protests Rock Missouri Town After Police Kill Unarmed Black Teen

St. Louis police department says crowd yelled “kill the police”

US NewsAugust 2014 • Views: 37,317

Eighteen-year old Michael Brown and a friend were walking in the street in the St. Louis suburb of Ferguson, Missouri when a policeman drove up and ordered them to get on the sidewalk. A verbal confrontation ensued, and then, according to witnesses, the police officer got out of the car and started firing: Missouri Town Erupts in Protest After Police Shoot Unarmed Black Teenager.

Residents of the predominantly African-American suburb took to the streets to protest the killing on Saturday, with members of the crowd reportedly yelling “Kill the police” and firing warning shots, which prompted the police to call in more than 60 additional officers, according to the St. Louis Post-Dispatch.

Whether residents were indeed chanting “Kill the police,” however, has been called into question; video from a demonstration outside the Ferguson Police Department shows residents chanting “Killer cops have got to go.” Video from a Saturday night demonstration shows residents with their arms raised, chanting “Don’t shoot me!” and “We are Michael Brown” in front of officers holding back barking dogs. Outlets like the Post-Dispatch tempered headlines describing a “mob reaction” after backlash on social media.

According to the Associated Press, the source for the claim that the crowd was yelling “kill the police” was… the St. Louis County police department: Ferguson, Missouri Teen Shot Dead by Police Prompts Community Backlash.

A spokesman with the St. Louis County Police Department, which is investigating the shooting at the request of the local department, confirmed a Ferguson police officer shot the man. The spokesman didn’t give the reason for the shooting. St. Louis County police said a large crowd confronted officers following the shooting, yelling such things as “kill the police.”

UPDATE at 8/10/14 11:50:06 am by Charles Johnson

The official Associated Press story on the killing actually uses this claim as the headline: Missouri Crowd After Shooting: ‘Kill the Police’.

St. Louis County police said a large crowd confronted officers following the shooting, yelling such things as “kill the police.”

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87 comments

ObserverArt Aug 10, 2014 11:42:04am

Charles, I noticed you mentioned this Missouri killing and one in Ohio in the last thread. What happened here in Ohio??? I had not heard anything on the news. I may have missed it.

Kragar Aug 10, 2014 11:42:56am

The funny part is the people who are so outraged by reports the crowd said “Kill the police” are the same assholes who supported the militia willing to take out Federal agents at Bundy Ranch

Charles Johnson Aug 10, 2014 11:43:29am

re: #1 ObserverArt

Man Police Shot in Walmart Killed Over Fake Gun, Family Says | www.daytondailynews.com

Kid A Aug 10, 2014 11:43:30am

re: #1 ObserverArt

A guy got shot to death holding a toy gun at a Wal-Mart. Yes, really.

Gus Aug 10, 2014 11:43:38am

Dear bozos. This isn’t about what the crowd was chanting.

b.d. Aug 10, 2014 11:44:10am

Rhetorical question. Is chanting “kill the police” a worse thing or a better thing than gunning down and killing an unarmed man in cold blood?

Kid A Aug 10, 2014 11:44:13am

I don’t care if they said kill the police, or fuck the police.

Mattand Aug 10, 2014 11:45:05am

re: #2 Kragar

The funny part is the people who are so outraged by reports the crowd said “Kill the police” are the same assholes who supported the militia willing to take out Federal agents at Bundy Ranch

This cannot be repeated enough.

Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut Aug 10, 2014 11:45:24am

When I see large groups of white people protesting the cops on the news, it tends to be about property or gun rights.

When I see large groups of black people protesting the cops, it tends to be about police brutality, selective arrests, or outright killings.

Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut Aug 10, 2014 11:46:03am

re: #7 Kid A

I don’t care if they said kill the police, or fuck the police.

I do. It’d be an incredibly unhelpful thing to say, and detract from the possibility of actually getting reform done.

Comfortable, Fortunate, Oppressed, White Person Aug 10, 2014 11:46:18am

re: #2 Kragar

Well of course. I mean, there is a difference. 100 white guys with guns and itchy trigger fingers are not nearly as threatening as an unarmed black 17 year old. Duh! /

BeachDem Aug 10, 2014 11:46:21am

re: #1 ObserverArt

Charles, I noticed you mentioned this Missouri killing and one in Ohio in the last thread. What happened here in Ohio??? I had not heard anything on the news. I may have missed it.</blockquote

It was at the Beavercreek Walmart earlier in the week (Wednesday, I think).

daytondailynews.com

I posted some history of Beavercreek’s view of allowing “them” into the area on one of last night’s thread.

b.d. Aug 10, 2014 11:47:32am

What crowds chant and what shows up on Twitter is more important than the events that caused the outrage in the 1st place, welcome to today’s America.

thedopefishlives Aug 10, 2014 11:49:25am

re: #5 Gus

Dear bozos. This isn’t about what the crowd was chanting.

Police are supposed to be professional and shrug off chants and insults. Not shoot random unarmed civilians. This sort of thing really upsets me because I know several good police officers, but it’s the bad ones that make the headlines - and there’s absolutely no defending whoever shot this kid.

Charles Johnson Aug 10, 2014 11:50:36am

The official Associated Press story on the killing actually uses this claim as the headline: Missouri Crowd After Shooting: ‘Kill the Police’.

Ryan King Aug 10, 2014 11:51:16am

#ferguson #michaelbrown justifiably angry PoC=angry mob. Crazy conspiracy wingnuts wi/AR15's aimed at police=freedom fighting patriots
— Ryan King (@BigPapa1849) August 10, 2014

ausador Aug 10, 2014 11:51:29am

re: #1 ObserverArt

Charles, I noticed you mentioned this Missouri killing and one in Ohio in the last thread. What happened here in Ohio??? I had not heard anything on the news. I may have missed it.

re: #3 Charles Johnson

Man Police Shot in Walmart Killed Over Fake Gun, Family Says | www.daytondailynews.com

A women running from the shooting collapsed and died too, she was supposed to get married yesterday. :(
daytondailynews.com

Dr Lizardo Aug 10, 2014 11:51:38am

re: #15 Charles Johnson

The official Associated Press story on the killing actually uses this claim as the headline: Missouri Crowd After Shooting: ‘Kill the Police’.

I gotta wonder who AP’s headline writer is. Pat Buchanan perhaps, or maybe David Duke?

BeachDem Aug 10, 2014 11:51:39am

And just for some perspective in our “post racial” America—an incident in Michigan

The first caller reports seeing a “Caucasian man with white hair and pajama pants walking with what looks like and AK-47.”…

Police reports and recordings of a sometimes tense 40-minute encounter with a belligerent, rifle-toting man offers insight into how officers tried to defuse a volatile situation without infringing on his right to openly carry the gun on a city street.

mlive.com

Ryan King Aug 10, 2014 11:53:44am

re: #15 Charles Johnson

The official Associated Press story on the killing actually uses this claim as the headline: Missouri Crowd After Shooting: ‘Kill the Police’.

What’s really crappy is a bunch of shouts and slogans happened but they focus on that one which may or may not have been a crowd chant or just a few very angry people, or wholly concocted.

Not something I like or condone, but I totally understand. But AP is seeming a little wingnutty in their lede-ism.

NJDhockeyfan Aug 10, 2014 11:54:14am

In reference to the Ferguson Police Department shooting which occurred yesterday, we are investigating the… http://t.co/2ZJVPlpxdP
— St. Louis County PD (@stlcountypd) August 10, 2014

Dr Lizardo Aug 10, 2014 11:54:44am

re: #19 BeachDem

And just for some perspective in our “post racial” America—an incident in Michigan

The first caller reports seeing a “Caucasian man with white hair and pajama pants walking with what looks like and AK-47.”…

Police reports and recordings of a sometimes tense 40-minute encounter with a belligerent, rifle-toting man offers insight into how officers tried to defuse a volatile situation without infringing on his right to openly carry the gun on a city street.

mlive.com

And if that “belligerent, rifle-toting man” was an African-American fellow, that ‘encounter’ probably would’ve lasted as long as it takes to say, “Drop the gun now, motherf***er!!” followed by the emptying of a Glock magazine.

BeachDem Aug 10, 2014 11:57:09am

re: #22 Dr Lizardo

And if that “belligerent, rifle-toting man” was an African-American fellow, that ‘encounter’ probably would’ve lasted as long as it takes to say, “Drop the gun now, motherf***er!!” followed by the emptying of a Glock magazine.

And they gave him back his gun the next day and filed no charges. Yeah—we are so “post racial” it’s not even funny. //

ObserverArt Aug 10, 2014 11:59:28am

re: #3 Charles Johnson

Man Police Shot in Walmart Killed Over Fake Gun, Family Says | www.daytondailynews.com

re: #4 Kid A

A guy got shot to death holding a toy gun at a Wal-Mart. Yes, really.

Thanks.

That happened a couple days ago. That is what confused me. I thought maybe something happened last night that I didn’t catch.

By the way…when did it become necessary for the police to pump someone with multiple shots or empty a complete clip in seconds? And, another angle to that, do they not shoot to wound and take down a person any more?

There have been so many incidents over the last ten/twenty years that seem like overkill.

I’m not making any assumptions about law enforcement, but it sure does seem there has been a difference in how police administer deadly force. It almost seems like it does mean make sure they are very dead.

Eclectic Cyborg Aug 10, 2014 11:59:38am

Am I insane or do I not remember a time between the Rodney King aftermath and 9/11 when racism actually got dialed down a few notches?

Eclectic Cyborg Aug 10, 2014 12:00:50pm

re: #24 ObserverArt

I’m not making any assumptions about law enforcement, but it sure does seem there has been a difference in how police administer deadly force. It almost seems like it does mean make sure they are very dead.

Still doesn’t jive for me. A trained law enforcement officer should be able to make sure almost anyone is “very dead” with one or two clean shots.

thedopefishlives Aug 10, 2014 12:02:10pm

re: #25 Eclectic Cyborg

Am I insane or do I not remember a time between the Rodney King aftermath and 9/11 when racism actually got dialed down a few notches?

We were getting somewhere, but now the right wing is fanning the dying flames of racism because UPPITY BLACK PRESIDENT!!!!

ObserverArt Aug 10, 2014 12:03:27pm

re: #18 Dr Lizardo

I gotta wonder who AP’s headline writer is. Pat Buchanan perhaps, or maybe David Duke?

Something sure has changed. They seem to be out of control. This is not good for the country in any way shape or form.

nsmith25 Aug 10, 2014 12:03:59pm

re: #19 BeachDem

And just for some perspective in our “post racial” America—an incident in Michigan

The first caller reports seeing a “Caucasian man with white hair and pajama pants walking with what looks like and AK-47.”…

Police reports and recordings of a sometimes tense 40-minute encounter with a belligerent, rifle-toting man offers insight into how officers tried to defuse a volatile situation without infringing on his right to openly carry the gun on a city street.

mlive.com

40 MIN???????

How many people of color get to spend 40 min with the Police in an encounter like this and the situation end up not horrible.

Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut Aug 10, 2014 12:04:28pm

re: #24 ObserverArt

By the way…when did it become necessary for the police to pump someone with multiple shots or empty a complete clip in seconds? And, another angle to that, do they not shoot to wound and take down a person any more?

They never did. This is a myth. Cops have always trained to shoot for the center of mass. It’s hard enough to aim at all when you’re in a panicky situation like a shootout. Remember, cops spend very little of their time engaged in gun battles. Many cops go their entire careers without firing their weapon.

If you’re shooting a gun even once, you’re already taking a huge risk of killing him. Shooting them more times doesn’t really show an increased lethal intent, I think it’s just battle-panic.

I’m not making any assumptions about law enforcement, but it sure does seem there has been a difference in how police administer deadly force. It almost seems like it does mean make sure they are very dead.

I don’t think this is a recent thing. I base this on no statistical evidence, and it’d be very hard stats to gather, but I’ve remembered cops, when they shoot, shooting a lot of bullets from since my childhood.

Dr Lizardo Aug 10, 2014 12:05:14pm

re: #28 ObserverArt

Something sure has changed. They seem to be out of control. This is not good for the country in any way shape or form.

Most likely, it’s clickbait - throw an outrageous or inflammatory headline out there, and sure enough, people will check it out. Of course, that drives revenue.

All about the Benjamins, unfortunately.

ausador Aug 10, 2014 12:05:53pm

re: #27 thedopefishlives

We were getting somewhere, but now the right wing is fanning the dying flames of racism because UPPITY BLACK PRESIDENT!!!!

It is all his fault for starting the #waronwhites!!!

///

Dr Lizardo Aug 10, 2014 12:06:42pm

re: #29 nsmith25

40 MIN???????

How many people of color get to spend 40 min with the Police in an encounter like this and the situation end up not horrible.

Like I said earlier, if that “belligerent, rifle-toting man” had been an African-American or other person of color, that encounter would have come to a rather abrupt end in less than 40 seconds, not 40 minutes.

Lidane Aug 10, 2014 12:06:43pm

re: #16 Ryan King

Yep.

Just imagine if Cliven Bundy had been anything other than a white man.

ObserverArt Aug 10, 2014 12:10:18pm

re: #30 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

They never did. This is a myth. Cops have always trained to shoot for the center of mass. It’s hard enough to aim at all when you’re in a panicky situation like a shootout. Remember, cops spend very little of their time engaged in gun battles. Many cops go their entire careers without firing their weapon.

If you’re shooting a gun even once, you’re already taking a huge risk of killing him. Shooting them more times doesn’t really show an increased lethal intent, I think it’s just battle-panic.

I don’t think this is a recent thing. I base this on no statistical evidence, and it’d be very hard stats to gather, but I’ve remembered cops, when they shoot, shooting a lot of bullets from since my childhood.

Obdi…do you mind if I ask your age? You can not answer if you like.

I happen to think there was a policy change somewhere in the late 70s or so. It might have something to do with some of the outrageous shoot outs police have had to go through, and also the increase in the amount and type of guns criminals now posses. It might also have something to do with the increase in mass shootings and those shooters not caring if they get shot, so the cops have to make sure.

Kid A Aug 10, 2014 12:11:44pm

Here we go again. It’s obviously better to get it right now than to get it right. That headline is beyond irresponsible. If you’re going to use it, it should read: “Unarmed teen gunned down by police; officers claim onlookers yelled ‘Kill the police’ afterwards.”

There, AP. I’ll send you an invoice next time.

Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut Aug 10, 2014 12:17:09pm

re: #25 Eclectic Cyborg

Am I insane or do I not remember a time between the Rodney King aftermath and 9/11 when racism actually got dialed down a few notches?

The GOP is actually more open in their embrace of racist politics than it was before, and it’s more of a divide between the parties in terms of ideology rather than politics.

Carter wasn’t afraid to flirt with anti-integrationism as a policy while being a Democrat, and Ford actually didn’t racebait much at all. The Southern Strategy was, I think, a strategy, it was racist as fuck but I don’t think it was a real ideological racism. Certainly there have always been people in the GOP who are convinced the white race is superior, and have said as much, but as a party I think the GOP used to deal completely cynically with the black population, up until Nixon’s high-pitched dog whistles.

These days, I think a combination of Ayn Rand-style economics, which inevitably leads to blaming those races who have a high percentage in the underclass for being there, and a white Christian identity—let’s remember that Christianity is highly segregated in the US as well—have come together to form a real ideological racism in the GOP’s makeup.

religions.pewforum.org

Props to those crazy bastards the Jehovah’s Witnesses for being the most integrated Christian church, by the way.

Dr Lizardo Aug 10, 2014 12:17:11pm

re: #35 ObserverArt

I know in Los Angeles, the 1974 SLA shootout with the LAPD was the first major test of their SWAT unit, which had been created six years earlier by Darryl Gates. There was also an earlier confrontation between the Black Panthers and LAPD SWAT in 1969.

The late 60s and into the early 70s saw the rise of self-styled urban revolutionaries, and not just in the US - the RAF in Germany along with the RZ’s were very much the real deal as far as urban terrorists go. Of course, the Red Brigades in Italy, etc.

That’s around the time - in my view - the militarization of the police really begins.

Justanotherhuman Aug 10, 2014 12:17:50pm

I’m old enough to remember a lot of white kids yelling “Kill the pigs!” back in the day. Where was the outrage? If there was any, it was against militant Blacks who may have said the same thing.

And that was without any history of racism against white people as a group in the overall society, with perhaps the exception of labor protests, but they were never targeted because of their race, no matter the situation.

Unlike what we, of course, have seen over the course of the history of this country against Black people, no matter what age or how innocent they were, or the cause they might have been fighting for—esp against racism itself. No matter how well “behaved” Black protesters have been, we’ve seen the tragedies that befell too many, in just fighting for their human rights.

OTOH, police will always target oppressed groups, on the whole, rather than those with the “right” skin and class privilege. Just do a little research on our justice system anywhere in the country.

Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut Aug 10, 2014 12:19:00pm

re: #35 ObserverArt

Obdi…do you mind if I ask your age? You can not answer if you like.

I’m thirty-seven, give or take a year, I always forget.

I happen to think there was a policy change somewhere in the late 70s or so. It might have something to do with some of the outrageous shoot outs police have had to go through, and also the increase in the amount and type of guns criminals now posses. It might also have something to do with the increase in mass shootings and those shooters not caring if they get shot, so the cops have to make sure.

It’s possible, since I wouldn’t have been aware of it. But I just know that, in general, personal impressions aren’t a great way of judging stuff. Most people have a person impression that crime has gone up over the past 20 years, when it has in fact gone down, for example.

If you can find a source I’d totally believe you, it would fit in with the general uptick in risky police tactics (no-knock warrants et al.) since the 70s.

Lidane Aug 10, 2014 12:20:34pm

re: #37 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

Toss in the cynical evil of the Prosperity Gospel, too. When a religion is based on the idea that God wants you to be rich, nothing good happens. Poverty becomes a moral failure and the people who are in the underclass are there because they don’t believe hard enough or donate enough to their local charlatan preacher.

nines09 Aug 10, 2014 12:20:40pm

re: #3 Charles Johnson

Man Police Shot in Walmart Killed Over Fake Gun, Family Says | www.daytondailynews.com

Ohio is a traditional open-carry state. So why was he shot? Do the math. Do I need to spell it out?

Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut Aug 10, 2014 12:21:36pm

re: #38 Dr Lizardo

Islam is the most integrated religion on that link I posted in the US, by the way, but as I understand it, there’s a lot of racism from Middle-Eastern Muslims towards African Muslims, with a kind of similar divide as between Protestant black and white churches. Is that accurate?

Gus Aug 10, 2014 12:22:57pm

Witnesses: Shooting of MO teen began with cops telling him to ‘get the f*ck on the sidewalk’ http://t.co/qwPKLBy0rQ #ferguson #mikebrown
— Gus (@Gus_802) August 10, 2014

BeachDem Aug 10, 2014 12:23:43pm

re: #44 Gus

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Was just getting ready to post that—from the article:

But witness Dorin Johnson, who was walking with Brown at the time of the incident, told KTVI that the teen was holding up his hands at the time that he was shot.

“A police officer squad car pulled up,” Johnson recalled. “And when he pulled up, these was his exact words, he said, ‘Get the f*ck on the sidewalk.’ And we told the officer we was not but a minute away from our destination, and we would surely be out of the street.”

Piaget Crenshaw said she witnessed Brown unarmed, and running “for his life.”

“They shot him, and he fell,” she said. “He put his arms up to let them know he was compliant, and that he was unarmed. And they shot him twice more, and he fell to the ground and died.”

Eclectic Cyborg Aug 10, 2014 12:23:44pm

re: #44 Gus

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Now that, sadly, sounds plausible.

Gus Aug 10, 2014 12:25:20pm

#Ferguson PD = George Zimmerman
— Gus (@Gus_802) August 10, 2014

nines09 Aug 10, 2014 12:27:06pm

re: #47 Gus

Ferguson PD= Lots of George Zimmermans.

thedopefishlives Aug 10, 2014 12:27:42pm

re: #45 BeachDem

Why the hell did they want him to “get the f— on the sidewalk” to begin with? I’m wondering what really started this or if it was, literally, a case of Walking While Black. It’s depressing that I even have to acknowledge that as a possibility.

Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut Aug 10, 2014 12:28:37pm

When I say voice to text software sucks, I mean it changes this:

NOT, I’ll not, carrion comfort, Despair, not feast on thee;
Not untwist—slack they may be—these last strands of man
In me ór, most weary, cry I can no more. I can;
Can something, hope, wish day come, not choose not to be.

To this:

not all nighter income for despair nazi zombie nada twists last night maybe pizza last Rams of Mad Men or most weary cry I can no more I cannot can something hope we stay calm but not choose not to be

BeachDem Aug 10, 2014 12:29:43pm

re: #49 thedopefishlives

Why the hell did they want him to “get the f— on the sidewalk” to begin with? I’m wondering what really started this or if it was, literally, a case of Walking While Black. It’s depressing that I even have to acknowledge that as a possibility.

Certainly sounds that way. Broad daylight, middle of the afternoon—yeah, I’m sure the kids were a total threat to the cop. One of the other articles I read this morning, think it was an AP story (of course) said the cops “weren’t sure if the other kid walking was armed or unarmed.” So it begins…

Justanotherhuman Aug 10, 2014 12:30:44pm

St. Louis County Executive Charlie Dooley on Michael Brown shooting: ‘Our community is hurting right now. Healing starts with a complete and transparent inquiry. I am committed to that’ - @CharlieADooley
end of alert

Charlie Dooley: en.wikipedia.org

Kragar Aug 10, 2014 12:31:31pm

re: #50 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

When I say voice to text software sucks, I mean it changes this:

To this:

Yeah, I gave up on voice to text a while back for getting any serious work done

Dr Lizardo Aug 10, 2014 12:31:34pm

re: #43 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

Islam is the most integrated religion on that risk in the US, by the way, but as I understand it, there’s a lot of racism from Middle-Eastern Muslims towards African Muslims, with a kind of similar divide as between Protestant black and white churches. Is that accurate?

I’ve seen some degree of prejudice against African Muslims coming from Middle Eastern Muslims, unfortunately. A Senegalese chap of acquaintance in Berlin told me he caught some guff from some Arabs at mosque a few times. He wound up going with me to the Sufi Center I used to go to in Berlin and he was treated quite warmly. Some of that no doubt comes from Sufi attitudes regarding Islam’s stance on racism - ie, it’s haram - and the fact that a lot of the Sufis there were ethnic German converts, with the rest being mostly Turks.

Interestingly, I noted a degree of prejudice against Arab Muslims from the Turks, and I’d say it was about 25% ethnic in origin, and 75% disdain for Arabian Islam, which the Turks take a dim view of. As I was told quite bluntly, “The Arab Muhammad (saas) bequeathed the deen of Allah to mankind. The Turks perfected it.”

I’m sure there’s a degree of neo-Ottomanism there as well, but that’s a different story. :)

Kid A Aug 10, 2014 12:31:37pm

“Get the fuck on the sidewalk!” How professional.
//

ComradeDread Aug 10, 2014 12:33:25pm

The official Associated Press story on the killing actually uses this claim as the headline: Missouri Crowd After Shooting: ‘Kill the Police’.

Well, of course it does.

The police are always so nice and helpful to us. Letting us go with a warning. Not randomly stopping us. Not opening fire or tasering our teens for giving them lip or raising their hands above their heads.

So this shooting must be totally justified, and the nice police would never report something that didn’t happen. So there we go: it was a mob chanting kill the police and they were being completely irrational and overreacting to the shooting of an unarmed teen who must have been doing something wrong because otherwise the nice police wouldn’t have bothered him.

nines09 Aug 10, 2014 12:35:00pm

re: #55 Kid A

“Get the fuck on the sidewalk!” How professional.
//

Just like “Where the fuck you think you’re going” and “Get the fuck over here” and the ever popular “Up against the wall Mother Fucker”. Followed closely by the “Show your hands, show your hands” when pulled over and the never to go away “I’m going to need to search your car”.

b_sharp Aug 10, 2014 12:35:32pm

re: #50 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

When I say voice to text software sucks, I mean it changes this:

To this:

Looks accurate.

Kragar Aug 10, 2014 12:36:50pm

Honestly, you white civil libertarians are the goddamn worst.
— Imani ABL (@AngryBlackLady) August 10, 2014

A black boy is gunned down and you're in my mentions yammering about fucking DRONES? today? Seriously? Go jump into a volcano.
— Imani ABL (@AngryBlackLady) August 10, 2014

Kid A Aug 10, 2014 12:38:47pm

re: #57 nines09

Reminds me of an old Richard Pryor diddy: “I AM REACHING INTO MY WALLET FOR MY LICENSE!!!”

Kid A Aug 10, 2014 12:41:28pm

re: #57 nines09

Just like “Where the fuck you think you’re going” and “Get the fuck over here” and the ever popular “Up against the wall Mother Fucker”. Followed closely by the “Show your hands, show your hands” when pulled over and the never to go away “I’m going to need to search your car”.

“Is there anything in this car I need to see?”

Shazam Aug 10, 2014 12:43:25pm

re: #49 thedopefishlives

In high school, a couple of my (white) friends suddenly found themselves surrounded by cops who told them to get on the ground and then cuffed them. There had been a theft at a nearby pawn shop, I believe, and some old lady gave their descriptions to the police because they walked by earlier. They were literally on one of their own lawns at the time of the arrest. Nobody was shot, however.

In this MO case, there could have been a crime and the police were responding. If the crime involved guns, they would be afraid of violence during the arrest. Of course, throwing his hands up and looking confused should be a clue that a suspect isn’t dangerous.

By the way, has DF reappeared with the “facts” yet?

RealityBasedSteve Aug 10, 2014 12:43:44pm

re: #61 Kid A

“Is there anything in this car I need to see?”

FWIW…. “Pictures of your wife, naked” isn’t the best possible reply.

RBS

Gus Aug 10, 2014 12:44:56pm

Asshole racist Bidenshairplugs shows up.

Warning: Graphic Image

Leading to this,

Hey wingnuts. All those Bundy ranch lunatics weren't showing any respect to law enforcement. Does that mean they should have all been shot?
— Gus (@Gus_802) August 10, 2014

thedopefishlives Aug 10, 2014 12:45:31pm

re: #63 RealityBasedSteve

FWIW…. “Pictures of your wife, naked” isn’t the best possible reply.

RBS

That’ll definitely get you shot.

Shazam Aug 10, 2014 12:46:20pm

re: #64 Gus

Some reports also indicate they were actually carrying weapons.

Gus Aug 10, 2014 12:47:14pm

re: #64 Gus

Asshole racist Bidenshairplugs shows up.

Warning: Graphic Image

Leading to this,

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RT’d by this guy.

thedopefishlives Aug 10, 2014 12:47:47pm

re: #62 Shazam

Yeah, I wondered if maybe something like that went on. It absolutely doesn’t excuse the officer(s) in question, because in no case should you just shoot first and ask questions later (even if he runs away). Absolutely throw the book at them. I’m more just interested to know for my own curiosity.

RealityBasedSteve Aug 10, 2014 12:48:29pm

re: #64 Gus

Asshole racist Bidenshairplugs shows up.

Warning: Graphic Image

Leading to this,

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That’s entirely different because, ah… well… Melon Lab!!!!

RBS

Justanotherhuman Aug 10, 2014 12:48:45pm

Here’s the possible defense, and the slant on this incident that the police will no doubt take.

Unarmed black Mo. teen shot after altercation, police say

cbsnews.com

Even though the shooting was initially inside the police car.

TedStriker Aug 10, 2014 12:49:38pm

re: #59 Kragar

Honestly, you white civil libertarians are the goddamn worst.
— Imani ABL (@AngryBlackLady) August 10, 2014

A black boy is gunned down and you’re in my mentions yammering about fucking DRONES? today? Seriously? Go jump into a volcano.
— Imani ABL (@AngryBlackLady) August 10, 2014

Kid A Aug 10, 2014 12:50:50pm

re: #71 TedStriker

My favorite film of all time. (1A would be Raging Bull)

Pie-onist Overlord Aug 10, 2014 12:52:09pm

No anti-Semitism here, just a little “constructive criticism of Israel”

Netanyahu wants Hamas to stop firing rockets and agree to enjoy their cage or else more bombs! #uniteblue #p2 #Gaza pic.twitter.com/8LtQD2EBdI
— ZaRdOz420WPN (@ZaRdOz420WPN) August 10, 2014

teleskiguy Aug 10, 2014 12:53:06pm

If you ask me I think the FBI should be in charge of this investigation. The NAACP has already requested as such IIRC.

ObserverArt Aug 10, 2014 12:53:10pm

re: #40 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

I’m thirty-seven, give or take a year, I always forget.

It’s possible, since I wouldn’t have been aware of it. But I just know that, in general, personal impressions aren’t a great way of judging stuff. Most people have a person impression that crime has gone up over the past 20 years, when it has in fact gone down, for example.

If you can find a source I’d totally believe you, it would fit in with the general uptick in risky police tactics (no-knock warrants et al.) since the 70s.

Thanks Obdi. I’m not sure statistics could be found. I sort of wish the policeman next door to me and the police chief that used to live in my neighborhood were still around so I could ask them if there has been any changes in policy. If I had some time, I’d do some searching.

Anyone know any old cops that worked the streets in the 50s, 60s, 70s?

nines09 Aug 10, 2014 12:53:20pm

re: #61 Kid A

“Is there anything in this car I need to see?”

“Spread em.”

Dr Lizardo Aug 10, 2014 12:53:46pm

re: #72 Kid A

My favorite film of all time. (1A would be Raging Bull)

Having seen it a couple of years ago, I’d have to rate Bir zamanlar Anadolu’da (Once Upon A Time In Anatolia), a 2011 film from Turkish director Nuri Bilge Ceylan, as the greatest film I’ve ever seen. It’s a masterpiece for the ages.

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Comfortable, Fortunate, Oppressed, White Person Aug 10, 2014 12:56:58pm

There is so much white people in the USA take for granted.
My best friend growing up was A.A. She came from a well to do Chicago family, went to the best private schools, traveled the world in style and was spoiled beyond belief. However, even so, she was still not permitted to enjoy her country fully because of her race. Example:

I had moved to Atlanta when I was 21 and she along with two of our gay friends were going to come down to visit me. They were trying to get their plane reservations when she said, “We really wanted to drive down because we heard the south is so beautiful this time of year, and we wanted to visit some places on our way, but that’s not an option.” I said, “why not? I drove down and it’s great, and easy drive and the scenery is unbelievable!” She got quiet for a moment and then said “Seriously? Really? two gay guys and a black girl driving through the south?!”

It sounds funny, and we all laughed, but she was serious about her fear.

De Kolta Chair Aug 10, 2014 12:58:51pm

re: #77 Dr Lizardo

Having seen it a couple of years ago, I’d have to rate Bir zamanlar Anadolu’da (Once Upon A Time In Anatolia), a 2011 film from Turkish director Nuri Bilge Ceylan, as the greatest film I’ve ever seen. It’s a masterpiece for the ages.

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Once Upon A Time In Anatolia was my favorite flick of 2011.

lostlakehiker Aug 10, 2014 1:00:48pm

St. Louis Post-Dispatch is reporting that

Angry residents took to the streets shortly after Brown was killed in the 2900 block of Canfield Drive. Some shots were heard in the crowd that gathered, but nobody was injured. Some people chanted obscenities and “kill the police” as about 60 officers from multiple jurisdictions gathered.

Link To StLPostDispatchStoryThey do not attribute this claim, which, if the newspaper is going by standard reporting practices, would mean that the reporter filing the story is the one who heard it.

In other parts of the story, it’s he said and she said. In those parts of the story, at any rate, the newspaper mentions who is making the claim rather than just stating it as fact. The headline of the article is Police: Ferguson teen etc. —-rather than “Ferguson teen etc.”

The story does not seem to have a pro-police agenda, going by some of the other material it includes:

Previously:

A witness to the shooting, Piaget Crenshaw, 19, said she saw the officer try to put Brown in a patrol car and shoot Brown several times as he ran, with his arms in the air. She complied with a police request to turn over photos she took at the scene.

This means that it is possible that the AP had grounds other than “police said” for the way they presented the story.

Dr Lizardo Aug 10, 2014 1:01:42pm

re: #79 De Kolta Chair

Once Upon A Time In Anatolia was my favorite flick of 2011.

I understand his latest film, Kis uykusu (Winter Sleep) is even better. It won the Palme d’Or at Cannes, and is Turkey’s official selection for next year’s Academy Awards for Best Foreign Language Film.

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nines09 Aug 10, 2014 1:01:59pm

re: #64 Gus

They were armed. And white. That leads to consideration. Or something like that, right?

De Kolta Chair Aug 10, 2014 1:04:16pm

Though I’m an atheist, my prayers go out to my main man Roger Federer, who’s tied in the second set with Jo-Wilfried Tsonga after losing the first set 7-5 in Toronto.

Go Fed!

De Kolta Chair Aug 10, 2014 1:08:03pm

re: #81 Dr Lizardo

I understand his latest film, Kis uykusu (Winter Sleep) is even better. It won the Palme d’Or at Cannes, and is Turkey’s official selection for next year’s Academy Awards for Best Foreign Language Film.

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Grazie dottore! Can’t wait to see it. Melisa Sozen, oh my.

Lidane Aug 10, 2014 1:08:50pm

re: #78 Comfortable, Fortunate, Oppressed, White Person

It sounds funny, and we all laughed, but she was serious about her fear.

It’s the same reason why as a Latina there are parts of East Texas (i.e, damn near all of it) and the South that I would avoid like the goddamn plague.

Thanks but no. I may look white thanks to genetics, but there are far too many racist assholes I’d like to avoid.

BeenHereAwhile Aug 10, 2014 1:29:52pm

re: #75 ObserverArt

Thanks Obdi. I’m not sure statistics could be found. I sort of wish the policeman next door to me and the police chief that used to live in my neighborhood were still around so I could ask them if there has been any changes in policy. If I had some time, I’d do some searching.

Anyone know any old cops that worked the streets in the 50s, 60s, 70s?

In Macon GA, in the 1960s, the white cops could pretty do what they wanted to do.

Especially the motorcycle cops, e.g. catch a young black couple out parking at night, and coerce them into performing sexual acts, illuminated by a ring of police motorcycle headlights. Jus good ole boys having fun.

How do I know this, because they would tell me. “Let me tell you what we did
last night while on patrol.”

BishopX Aug 10, 2014 1:35:32pm

re: #75 ObserverArt

Thanks Obdi. I’m not sure statistics could be found. I sort of wish the policeman next door to me and the police chief that used to live in my neighborhood were still around so I could ask them if there has been any changes in policy. If I had some time, I’d do some searching.

Anyone know any old cops that worked the streets in the 50s, 60s, 70s?

My impression is that the rise in “many bullet” shooting occurred right after the police started carrying automatic pistols. It’s hard to shoot someone “many times” when you gun has five round in it and it takes 15-20 seconds to reload. It’s much easier when your pistol has 15 and you can reload in less than 5 seconds.

Spy Auto

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