Police Shooting Victim Michael Brown Remembered as a ‘Gentle Giant’

“Let’s make something out of nothing”
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I have a pretty tough shell after 13 years of blogging, but this report by Elisa Crouch about 18-year old Michael Brown, gunned down by a police officer yesterday in Missouri, brought tears to my eyes. What a tragic loss to the world. Michael Brown Remembered as a ‘Gentle Giant’.

Michael Brown posted a haunting message on Facebook last week as he prepared to enter a new phase in his life — college.

“if i leave this earth today,” he wrote to a friend, “atleast youll know i care about others more then i cared about my damn self.”

Brown, 18, died Saturday after a Ferguson police officer shot him multiple times outside an apartment complex as he walked to his grandmother’s home. Brown was two days from starting class at Vatterott College. Close friends had been packing up and departing for schools such as Kansas State University and Arkansas Baptist University on sports scholarships.

“Everyone else wanted to be a football player, a basketball player,” said Gerard Fuller, who had known Brown since second grade at Pine Lawn Elementary School. “He wanted to own his own business. He’d say, ‘Let’s make something out of nothing.’”

Brown graduated from high school at the predominately African-American Normandy High School, a high-poverty school in a district that has been at the center of legislative battles and a string of politically charged decisions by the Missouri Board of Education.

Teachers described Brown as a “gentle giant,” a student who loomed large and didn’t cause trouble. Friends describe him as a quiet person with a wicked sense of humor, one who loved music and had begun to rap. He fought an uphill battle to graduate.

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594 comments
1 Rightwingconspirator  Aug 10, 2014 5:32:40pm

May the truth and empathy win this day. Thanks for staying on this.

2 HappyWarrior  Aug 10, 2014 5:34:29pm

Charles, thank you for this. This is the story the media needs to be running. This story paints a picture of a human being. I have a cousin his age who will be starting college this fall like he would have been. It just makes me sick. We’ve got a serious problem and it does involve race and I know people don’t like hearing it but it’s the truth. How many Michaels, how many Treyvons, and how many others have to die due to racist bs?

3 Charles Johnson  Aug 10, 2014 5:35:27pm
4 Charles Johnson  Aug 10, 2014 5:35:44pm
5 teleskiguy  Aug 10, 2014 5:36:29pm

@AntonioFrench has been invaluable during this tragedy. There’s good, honest reporting in his Twitter feed.

6 Charles Johnson  Aug 10, 2014 5:36:50pm

I started writing a post about Jim Hoft’s disgusting attack piece. But right now I’d rather commemorate this young man’s life instead of focusing on the evil right wing.

7 thedopefishlives  Aug 10, 2014 5:37:03pm

re: #4 Charles Johnson

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It was only a matter of time before they found the least offensive way to be racist dickbags. The fact that I even had to utter that phrase makes me sick.

8 HappyWarrior  Aug 10, 2014 5:37:07pm

re: #3 Charles Johnson

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Aren’t these the same people that cheered Clive Bundy on when he and his goon squad actually had guns pointed at the police? What we’re seeing is a very upset community that lost one of their own and has seen this song and dance routine before where the cop will very likely get off scott free. Clive Bundy? He was just butthurt because he was told to stop violating the law. Unbelievable how pathetic those assholes at Breitbart are.

9 alpuz  Aug 10, 2014 5:38:37pm

re: #4 Charles Johnson

And it’ll be parroted over and over again across the U.S. Then, if one dares to disagree outloud, welp, they’re an asshole.

10 Targetpractice  Aug 10, 2014 5:38:44pm

re: #4 Charles Johnson

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You have several eyewitnesses, all who say the cop is full of shit. How do you discredit all the witnesses? Oh right, accuse them all of being supportive of cop killing and suggest that the victim had it coming.

/Anybody needs me, I’ll be washing the bile out of my mouth.

11 Aunty Entity Dragon  Aug 10, 2014 5:39:51pm

This is why I have been on police brutality in my posted pages. When you go read officer comments at Policeone and elsewhere on use of force incidents, it is actually shocking to see the contempt that some of these officers view the public with and how ready they are to escalate force to deadly levels over mere disrespect or even a case of misunderstanding orders.

12 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Aug 10, 2014 5:40:12pm

People are going to deride him because, for him, graduating high school was actually a pretty big deal.

That’s shitty. For some people, graduating high school is hard. He kept at it and he got there. That’s bootstrappy.

13 HappyWarrior  Aug 10, 2014 5:41:49pm

re: #12 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

People are going to deride him because, for him, graduating high school was actually a pretty big deal.

That’s shitty. For some people, graduating high school is hard. He kept at it and he got there. That’s bootstrappy.

He was much more bootstrappy than these idiots who post cliches about bootstraps and “work” on their Twitters while using it as an excuse to cut funds to people trying to make a better life for themselves.

14 Aunty Entity Dragon  Aug 10, 2014 5:42:24pm

re: #10 Targetpractice

You have several eyewitnesses, all who say the cop is full of shit. How do you discredit all the witnesses? Oh right, accuse them all of being supportive of cop killing and suggest that the victim had it coming.

/Anybody needs me, I’ll be washing the bile out of my mouth.

You saw how they went after Trayvon Martin’s girlfriend.

15 steve_davis  Aug 10, 2014 5:42:33pm

<smfh> had to reply to first Dispatch comment. Apparently the article was “biased” for mentioning the kid was shot by police on the way to his grandmother’s house.

16 thedopefishlives  Aug 10, 2014 5:43:26pm

re: #15 steve_davis

<smfh> had to reply to first Dispatch comment. Apparently the article was “biased” for mentioning the kid was shot by police on the way to his grandmother’s house.

Biased how, because it makes the victim seem human instead of an animal to be put down at the police’s convenience?

*spit*

17 Belafon  Aug 10, 2014 5:43:37pm
18 HappyWarrior  Aug 10, 2014 5:44:01pm

re: #15 steve_davis

<smfh> had to reply to first Dispatch comment. Apparently the article was “biased” for mentioning the kid was shot by police on the way to his grandmother’s house.

Yeah how dare the Dispatch not make him out to be a no good thug who deserved to be shot ten times. I swear man. I fucking swear, I am so tired of these people who will do all they can to justify killing. Even if the kid had committed a crime, he did not need to be shot ten fucking times.

19 Aunty Entity Dragon  Aug 10, 2014 5:44:22pm

re: #15 steve_davis

<smfh> had to reply to first Dispatch comment. Apparently the article was “biased” for mentioning the kid was shot by police on the way to his grandmother’s house.

Next it will be passive verb use: “He was struck by bullets”.

Radley Balko has noted that police shootings tend to be reported this way…like the bullets were some sort of roving hazard that the guy wandered into.

20 thedopefishlives  Aug 10, 2014 5:44:35pm

As an aside, I keep seeing the references to “shot 10 times”. I thought he was shot three times, did I miss the rest of the story?

21 HappyWarrior  Aug 10, 2014 5:44:47pm

re: #17 Belafon

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That my friend is white privilege. white guy does a goofy pose and it’s just a white guy doing a goofy pose. Black guy does it and he’s a ThUG!

22 HappyWarrior  Aug 10, 2014 5:46:48pm

We need more of the Bible in school say the same people who want to violate one of the Ten Commandments over alleged shoplifting. Yeah, that’s the ticket.

23 thedopefishlives  Aug 10, 2014 5:47:11pm

re: #22 HappyWarrior

We need more of the Bible in school say the same people who want to violate one of the Ten Commandments over alleged shoplifting. Yeah, that’s the ticket.

What good is putting the Bible in school if you don’t care about actually following it?

24 HappyWarrior  Aug 10, 2014 5:48:12pm

re: #23 thedopefishlives

What good is putting the Bible in school if you don’t care about actually following it?

Right, I’m pointing out these same people who claim we need to be more “Christian” as a nation have no problem justifying killing.

25 alpuz  Aug 10, 2014 5:48:20pm

re: #21 HappyWarrior

If you fall into a category on the right-wing’s outrage of the day enemy list, you’ll be labelled a ‘thug’.

26 Charles Johnson  Aug 10, 2014 5:48:47pm
27 psddluva4evah  Aug 10, 2014 5:50:08pm
28 thedopefishlives  Aug 10, 2014 5:50:46pm

re: #24 HappyWarrior

Right, I’m pointing out these same people who claim we need to be more “Christian” as a nation have no problem justifying killing.

Yes, I was following up on your point. These people who claim to be Christian - who have no interest in following what the Bible actually says - are the ones driving the push to “put the Bible back into schools”. That’s not what we need, we need people to actually do what the damn book says!

29 HappyWarrior  Aug 10, 2014 5:50:58pm

re: #27 psddluva4evah

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That alone is going to make the right side against this kid and do all they can to smear him.

30 SteelPH  Aug 10, 2014 5:51:30pm

Meanwhile, the right wing begins Operation: Character Assassination once more.

31 Aunty Entity Dragon  Aug 10, 2014 5:52:28pm

re: #29 HappyWarrior

That alone is going to make the right side against this kid and do all they can to smear him.

No doubt he was armed with the piece of pavement he died on.

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32 HappyWarrior  Aug 10, 2014 5:52:34pm

re: #30 SteelPH

Meanwhile, the right wing begins Operation: Character Assassination once more.

Just like Treyvon. Where you know marijuana possession meant he was a full out drug dealer.

33 Targetpractice  Aug 10, 2014 5:52:57pm

re: #29 HappyWarrior

That alone is going to make the right side against this kid and do all they can to smear him.

Ayep. The moment I saw that story earlier, I knew that the fix was in. The search is now on to find something, anything, to paint Brown as a “thug.”

34 Targetpractice  Aug 10, 2014 5:53:48pm

re: #32 HappyWarrior

Just like Treyvon. Where you know marijuana possession meant he was a full out drug dealer.

Nah, THC in his system was proof that he was a violent criminal who no doubt attacked Zimmerman, despite the entire point of smoking weed being to mellow you out.

35 HappyWarrior  Aug 10, 2014 5:53:57pm

re: #33 Targetpractice

Ayep. The moment I saw that story earlier, I knew that the fix was in. The search is now on to find something, anything, to paint Brown as a “thug.”

Yep, it’s a simple equation. Obama Administration and DOJ get involved. Time for deranged hatred. Holder and Obama make it double.

36 psddluva4evah  Aug 10, 2014 5:54:39pm

The hastag, #IfTheyGunnedMeDown is both though provoking and sad, because the for all the choices given, I fully believe the media today would focus on the more incendiary of the images.

A few examples:

37 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 10, 2014 5:55:34pm

HURR HURR THEIR PLAYIN TEH RACE CARD ALREADY & CALLING EVERYBODY RACISST!!!!!!!!

38 Stanley Sea  Aug 10, 2014 5:55:39pm

re: #5 teleskiguy

@AntonioFrench has been invaluable during this tragedy. There’s good, honest reporting in his Twitter feed.

We must try to understand this incredibly fucked up situation.
We are not there, we can only imagine.

In reference to the fire department truck being blocked

39 Aunty Entity Dragon  Aug 10, 2014 5:56:12pm

re: #30 SteelPH

Meanwhile, the right wing begins Operation: Character Assassination once more.

mom is a “moocher” who got government assistance at some point: Check
Someone will allege he got into some sort of trouble at some point as a kid in school: check
He is a large black male: double plus check
He was walking on a public street like he had some sort of damned right to be there: check

Uppity dangerous thug. Death penalty.

40 Targetpractice  Aug 10, 2014 5:56:18pm

re: #36 psddluva4evah

The hastag, #IfTheyGunnedMeDown is both though provoking and sad, because the for all the choices given, I fully believe the media today would focus on the more incendiary of the images.

A few examples:

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The media is entertainment, not information. If they report just the facts, then you don’t tune in and there’s nobody to sell ads to. But if you create conflict, create “controversy,” then people tune in to look for “exclusives.”

41 jaunte  Aug 10, 2014 5:57:02pm

re: #20 thedopefishlives

As an aside, I keep seeing the references to “shot 10 times”. I thought he was shot three times, did I miss the rest of the story?

Brown’s mother, Lesley McSpadden:

“They told me how many times my son was shot. Eight,” McSpadden said.
usatoday.com

42 Stanley Sea  Aug 10, 2014 5:57:18pm

re: #11 Aunty Entity Dragon

This is why I have been on police brutality in my posted pages. When you go read officer comments at Policeone and elsewhere on use of force incidents, it is actually shocking to see the contempt that some of these officers view the public with and how ready they are to escalate force to deadly levels over mere disrespect or even a case of misunderstanding orders.

I just deleted what I typed.

43 HappyWarrior  Aug 10, 2014 5:57:33pm

This just feels like a terrible case of deja vu. Except worse honestly since these were cops. People who have supposedly be trained to refrain from being too trigger happy. There’s too many cases like this. Too many. And too often they involve black people.

44 HappyWarrior  Aug 10, 2014 5:57:52pm

re: #41 jaunte

Brown’s mother, Lesley McSpadden:

Assholes.

45 alpuz  Aug 10, 2014 5:57:57pm

re: #38 Stanley Sea

Broken trust. Spot on.

46 Charles Johnson  Aug 10, 2014 5:58:18pm
47 thedopefishlives  Aug 10, 2014 5:59:04pm

re: #41 jaunte

Jesus Christ. Shot once, maybe self-defense. Shot 3 times (in the back), stupid and cowardly and excessive. Empty the whole goddamn clip? Absolutely indefensible and first-degree murder.

48 HappyWarrior  Aug 10, 2014 5:59:06pm

re: #46 Charles Johnson

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There’s a sad moment when you know it’s not a matter of if but rather when with those ghouls.

49 jaunte  Aug 10, 2014 5:59:41pm

Gateway Pundit helpfully including a post on a “Knockout Game” story, to justify their readers’ victimized feelings.

50 Belafon  Aug 10, 2014 6:00:00pm

re: #36 psddluva4evah

There were a number of pictures of military members. There was also one of a woman at a gun range. Would 2nd Amendmenters see her skin color first or the gun?

51 jaunte  Aug 10, 2014 6:00:17pm

re: #47 thedopefishlives

Head and chest shots, for jaywalking and backtalk.

52 TedStriker  Aug 10, 2014 6:00:24pm

re: #38 Stanley Sea

We must try to understand this incredibly fucked up situation.
We are not there, we can only imagine.

In reference to the fire department truck being blocked

e_Newsit They didn’t believe they were actually responding to a medical emergency. Thought it was a trick to block them in. Broken trust.
— Antonio French (@AntonioFrench) August 11, 2014

Considering that the cops tried to intimidate the protestors last night with dogs à la Bull Connor, I can understand this logic, unfortunately.

53 Targetpractice  Aug 10, 2014 6:00:31pm

re: #46 Charles Johnson

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Of course, it won’t just be Brown. Expect his family and the entire neighborhood to now be put under a microscope in the search for anything to shred the eyewitness reports.

54 HappyWarrior  Aug 10, 2014 6:00:35pm

re: #49 jaunte

Gateway Pundit helpfully including a post on a “Knockout Game” story, to justify their readers’ victimized feelings.

Jim knows where his butter is breaded.

55 Aunty Entity Dragon  Aug 10, 2014 6:02:01pm

re: #47 thedopefishlives

Jesus Christ. Shot once, maybe self-defense. Shot 3 times (in the back), stupid and cowardly and excessive. Empty the whole goddamn clip? Absolutely indefensible and first-degree murder.

The home owner who was mistakenly shot and killed in Pico Rivera last week by police…thinking the man was the fugitive they were after…was actually mocked and called a coward in comments at Policeone.

Just so you know: if a cop kills you by mistake in your own home, some of the boys in blue will find a way to spit on your grave afterwards and call your family ghetto grifters for daring to file a lawsuit.

56 HappyWarrior  Aug 10, 2014 6:04:12pm

re: #55 Aunty Entity Dragon

The home owner who was mistakenly shot and killed in Pico Rivera last week by police…thinking the man was the fugitive they were after…was actually mocked and called a coward in comments at Policeone.

Just so you know: if a cop kills you by mistake in your own home, some of the boys in blue will find a way to spit on your grave afterwards and call your family ghetto grifters for daring to file a lawsuit.

What is Policeone? That just makes me sick. You know what, I was brought up to respect the police and cooperate with them but these kind of things they just test me. Remember the uproar over Fuck the Police? Shit if you’d be dealing with what minority communities have and continue to be dealing with, I’m sure you wouldn’t be exactly charitable either.

57 Ryan King  Aug 10, 2014 6:04:22pm

Broken Trust

58 Stanley Sea  Aug 10, 2014 6:05:00pm

re: #49 jaunte

Gateway Pundit helpfully including a post on a “Knockout Game” story, to justify their readers’ victimized feelings.

blackblackblackblack RUN FOR YOUR LIVES WHITEY

59 TedStriker  Aug 10, 2014 6:05:29pm

re: #56 HappyWarrior

What is Policeone? That just makes me sick. You know what, I was brought up to respect the police and cooperate with them but these kind of things they just test me. Remember the uproar over Fuck the Police? Shit if you’d be dealing with what minority communities have and continue to be dealing with, I’m sure you wouldn’t be exactly charitable either.

It’s a website/forum for cops and wannabes.

60 HappyWarrior  Aug 10, 2014 6:05:47pm

Why not run the Willie Horton ad again and the Jesse Helms affirmative action ads again while you’re at it you racist fucks?

61 jaunte  Aug 10, 2014 6:05:53pm

re: #58 Stanley Sea

FBI:

Katy Man Charged with Federal Hate Crime for Punching and Breaking Jaw of 79-Year-Old African-American Man
fbi.gov

62 ausador  Aug 10, 2014 6:05:58pm

re: #20 thedopefishlives

As an aside, I keep seeing the references to “shot 10 times”. I thought he was shot three times, did I miss the rest of the story?

Witnesses claimed 10 shots fired, in the first interview with his mother I saw in the early evening yesterday she stated that he had been shot 8 times. I don’t know if his mother was basing that on first hand or hearsay evidence.

Besides with multiple gunshot wounds it can be difficult to tell their number, without detailed examination you can’t always tell what is an entrance wound from an exit wound. Even the police wait until the coroner confirms the count before announcing anything.

The chief of county police said “more than a couple” so…who knows for sure? :(

63 Charles Johnson  Aug 10, 2014 6:06:04pm
64 HappyWarrior  Aug 10, 2014 6:06:08pm

re: #59 TedStriker

It’s a website/forum for cops and wannabes.

Ah thanks. Man I had not heard about that above case. Agh.

65 thedopefishlives  Aug 10, 2014 6:06:31pm

re: #55 Aunty Entity Dragon

The home owner who was mistakenly shot and killed in Pico Rivera last week by police…thinking the man was the fugitive they were after…was actually mocked and called a coward in comments at Policeone.

Just so you know: if a cop kills you by mistake in your own home, some of the boys in blue will find a way to spit on your grave afterwards and call your family ghetto grifters for daring to file a lawsuit.

God. That just pisses me off. If I find out any of the officers/ex-officers I know go there, I am going to give them an absolute lungful of the best vitriol I have.

66 urbanmeemaw  Aug 10, 2014 6:07:27pm

re: #40 Targetpractice

And they have to pander to the soul suckers in the suburbs/exurbs/ . They are the Mainslime Media’s target audience. Tommy Christopher had an excellent piece at Daily Banter today on this.

67 RealityBasedSteve  Aug 10, 2014 6:07:37pm

Now that the RWNJs have their talking points, they are going to be spinning them at mach speed in order to make up for lost time. I pray that things stay simply LOUD at most and not turn violent tonight. Hopefully cooler heads will prevail.

RBS

68 Aunty Entity Dragon  Aug 10, 2014 6:08:37pm

re: #56 HappyWarrior

What is Policeone? That just makes me sick. You know what, I was brought up to respect the police and cooperate with them but these kind of things they just test me. Remember the uproar over Fuck the Police? Shit if you’d be dealing with what minority communities have and continue to be dealing with, I’m sure you wouldn’t be exactly charitable either.

It is a law enforcement only website. Any body can read news comments left by officers, buy nly officers (actice and retired) can post. You have to submit yur badge number and department to get posting privileges.

At times, some of the more toxic comments mocking the public and shooting victims have been posted in the wider media, and some officers have warned the others that comments can be seen by the public and by defense attorneys.

For a real nasty view of the underbelly of the NYPD…Thee Rant is chock full of old school racism and filth. That forum is open to NYPD only, and officers elsewhere actually complain about how open the racism is.

69 HappyWarrior  Aug 10, 2014 6:10:06pm

re: #68 Aunty Entity Dragon

It is a law enforcement only website. Any body can read news comments left by officers, buy nly officers (actice and retired) can post. You have to submit yur badge number and department to get posting privileges.

At times, some of the more toxic comments mocking the public and shooting victims have been posted in the wider media, and some officers have warned the others that comments can be seen by the public and by defense attorneys.

For a real nasty view of the underbelly of the NYPD…Thee Rant is chock full of old school racism and filth. That forum is open to NYPD only, and officers elsewhere actually complain about how open the racism is.

Thanks, really messed up yet not surprising to read about how many of the problems of the past seem to have stayed with us.

70 Gus  Aug 10, 2014 6:10:42pm

Anonymous. Bleh.

71 psddluva4evah  Aug 10, 2014 6:11:26pm

re: #70 Gus

I was just reading that tweet. You guys will have to tell me if that is a good or bad thing.

72 Stanley Sea  Aug 10, 2014 6:12:31pm

re: #61 jaunte

FBI:

ugh.

73 Charles Johnson  Aug 10, 2014 6:14:22pm
74 Gus  Aug 10, 2014 6:15:45pm

re: #71 psddluva4evah

I was just reading that tweet. You guys will have to tell me if that is a good or bad thing.

They’re trying to upstage it with their white privilege. Then they’ll come out with their stupid hack kid shenanigans. Etc. Read some of @FeministaJones TL.

75 Charles Johnson  Aug 10, 2014 6:15:52pm

re: #71 psddluva4evah

I have no love for Anonymous.

76 jaunte  Aug 10, 2014 6:15:54pm
77 ausador  Aug 10, 2014 6:16:26pm

re: #22 HappyWarrior

We need more of the Bible in school say the same people who want to violate one of the Ten Commandments over alleged shoplifting. Yeah, that’s the ticket.

That shoplifting thing was just a rumor from twitter last night, not true at all. Ultimately he was shot for walking in the street instead of on the sidewalk, that’s all. :(

78 Aunty Entity Dragon  Aug 10, 2014 6:17:17pm
re: #65 thedopefishlives

God. That just pisses me off. If I find out any of the officers/ex-officers I know go there, I am going to give them an absolute lungful of the best vitriol I have.

To be sure, other officers expressed sympathy for the victim. However, the genral attitude is sympathy for the officer first, and possibly for victim, maybe, later if at all.

And then, you get the assholes like what I described:

Posted by lawman1214 on Tuesday, August 05, 2014 01:52 AM Pacific

Perhaps If the two “victim’s, running away”, who had obviously left one person to fight the suspect, had not been such scared, selfish cowards, all would have survived. And likely feeling much better today, knowing they all three survived by helping each other instead of one having to die running away, while leaving the third victim to be sacrificed, giving him the chance to run like the wind. I tend to lose sympathy when selfishness takes control of body and mind during a crisis. This is when true character and integrity surface for the world to see.
when true character and integrity surface for the world to see.

Most of the officer posts I see there think there is nothing that could have been done about it and the innocent man had to die because of split second decision making…since their own lives take precedence over ours.

79 Charles Johnson  Aug 10, 2014 6:18:12pm
80 Gus  Aug 10, 2014 6:19:29pm
81 Gus  Aug 10, 2014 6:20:19pm
82 Aunty Entity Dragon  Aug 10, 2014 6:20:44pm

re: #79 Charles Johnson

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That video is devastating.

83 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 10, 2014 6:20:57pm

I’m seeing a bunch of people being pwn3d by a fake story in National Report.

84 Charles Johnson  Aug 10, 2014 6:21:31pm
85 HappyWarrior  Aug 10, 2014 6:21:55pm

re: #77 ausador

That shoplifting thing was just a rumor from twitter last night, not true at all. Ultimately he was shot for walking in the street instead of on the sidewalk, that’s all. :(

Oh damn

86 Gus  Aug 10, 2014 6:22:10pm

re: #83 Pie-onist Overlord

I’m seeing a bunch of people being pwn3d by a fake story in National Report.

Yes.

87 SteelPH  Aug 10, 2014 6:24:40pm

re: #77 ausador

That shoplifting thing was just a rumor from twitter last night, not true at all. Ultimately he was shot for walking while black in the street instead of on the sidewalk, that’s all. :(

FTFY

88 Charles Johnson  Aug 10, 2014 6:26:03pm
89 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 10, 2014 6:26:05pm

County Captain 4Romney still butthurt that Romney lost the election:

90 lawhawk  Aug 10, 2014 6:27:58pm

re: #89 Pie-onist Overlord

And yet there’s only 31 instances in more than a billion votes tallied that indicate even the hint of voter fraud. Voter ID creates more problems for people than it solves.

91 TedStriker  Aug 10, 2014 6:29:02pm

re: #90 lawhawk

And yet there’s only 31 instances in more than a billion votes tallied that indicate even the hint of voter fraud. Voter ID creates more problems for people than it solves.

That, of course, is a feature, not a bug.

92 b.d.  Aug 10, 2014 6:30:12pm

re: #88 Charles Johnson

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You mean that in October Obama isn’t going to raise the drinking age to 24?

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93 darthstar  Aug 10, 2014 6:31:22pm
94 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 10, 2014 6:32:31pm

TCOT isn’t saying much about Michael Brown. An occasional RT of Dim Jim’s attack page, but mostly they are like ISIS=ALL TEH MUSLIMS!!!!!!!

95 darthstar  Aug 10, 2014 6:33:39pm

re: #92 b.d.

You mean that in October Obama isn’t going to raise the drinking age to 24?

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He could raise it to 54. I could use the break, and holy shit, the fancy vermouth we like is $36 a bottle. Now that we bought one, we’re stuck with it. No more $3.99 Gallo (which is fine for a simple Manhattan). This other shit forced me to buy a bottle of Templeton Rye to go with it.

96 jaunte  Aug 10, 2014 6:35:59pm
97 psddluva4evah  Aug 10, 2014 6:37:23pm
98 Aunty Entity Dragon  Aug 10, 2014 6:39:01pm

re: #96 jaunte

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Matter of time until they start breaking skulls and arms if history is any guide. I hope to God that the chain of command has a fucking hold of those officers and doesn’t let that happen.

99 TedStriker  Aug 10, 2014 6:39:16pm

re: #96 jaunte

This does not bode well…

100 Targetpractice  Aug 10, 2014 6:39:45pm

re: #98 Aunty Entity Dragon

Matter of time until they start breaking skulls and arms if history is any guide. I hope to God that the chain of command has a fucking hold of those officers and doesn’t let that happen.

I have a feeling one or more of those in that picture are only waiting for an excuse.

101 Aunty Entity Dragon  Aug 10, 2014 6:41:49pm

re: #97 psddluva4evah

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And there you have it. Protestors with their hands up in the air, while the cops all look like something out of East Germany, waiting to crack down on the uppity brown skinned people.

This is not what our police is supposed to be. For that matter, our Founders were sceptical of full time law enforcement or military in the first place.

102 TedStriker  Aug 10, 2014 6:42:11pm

re: #98 Aunty Entity Dragon

Matter of time until they start breaking skulls and arms if history is any guide. I hope to God that the chain of command has a fucking hold of those officers and doesn’t let that happen.

If the brass at the Ferguson PD had control of their officers, none of this would have happened to begin with.

103 psddluva4evah  Aug 10, 2014 6:42:51pm

More police arriving on the scene.

104 darthstar  Aug 10, 2014 6:46:11pm

Twitter is interesting. Probably mostly because of relationships I built on there during the Zimmerman trial after that fuck killed Trayvon Martin, I have found myself within a group of African Americans and as our views on President Obama are often parallel, we respond to each other, and often they retweet me to a much larger group of African American twitterers. So, with Ferguson for example, I make one comment, and a retweet later I’m engaged in a ‘we shall overcome’ frenzy.

This is all fair and good, but at some point do they not notice I’ve got Joe Biden straddling a biker chick as my avatar. Some may, obviously, as they don’t follow me for very long. And while I enjoy occasional banter with them, and they love a good joke about Boehner being a person of color as much as the next person, there are times when I feel overwhelmed with their fervor - especially in light of certain current events.

Anyway, I’m not complaining, just noticing. But sometimes the conversation gets too tribal and I just drop out completely…though I don’t know of a better way to say, “I can’t go there.”

105 ObserverArt  Aug 10, 2014 6:46:59pm

It’s hard to tell in the images, but I hope there are people of all color, lifestyle, status and wealth and they are all protesting together as citizens. I’d hate to see this be anything less. Get some variety in its makeup, maybe a politician or two and some clergy to help dampen down both sides.

106 darthstar  Aug 10, 2014 6:50:04pm
107 Aunty Entity Dragon  Aug 10, 2014 6:51:13pm

French reporting that tensions are high and that he is trying to make room between the protesters and the police.

108 teleskiguy  Aug 10, 2014 6:51:56pm
109 Aunty Entity Dragon  Aug 10, 2014 6:52:06pm

Going to eat dinner. check back soon.

110 psddluva4evah  Aug 10, 2014 6:52:17pm
111 Gus  Aug 10, 2014 6:52:38pm
112 Aunty Entity Dragon  Aug 10, 2014 6:53:49pm

re: #108 teleskiguy

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But nothing says urban pacification quite like a 20 ton MRAP from Afghanistan, two dozen submachine guns and some more snarling German Shephard dogs.

113 Kragar  Aug 10, 2014 6:54:42pm
114 jaunte  Aug 10, 2014 6:55:36pm

re: #112 Aunty Entity Dragon

But nothing says urban pacification quite like a 20 ton MRAP from Afghanistan

The protestors might have Improvised Urban Devices.

115 ObserverArt  Aug 10, 2014 6:55:51pm

re: #104 darthstar

Twitter is interesting. Probably mostly because of relationships I built on there during the Zimmerman trial after that fuck killed Trayvon Martin, I have found myself within a group of African Americans and as our views on President Obama are often parallel, we respond to each other, and often they retweet me to a much larger group of African American twitterers. So, with Ferguson for example, I make one comment, and a retweet later I’m engaged in a ‘we shall overcome’ frenzy.

This is all fair and good, but at some point do they not notice I’ve got Joe Biden straddling a biker chick as my avatar. Some may, obviously, as they don’t follow me for very long. And while I enjoy occasional banter with them, and they love a good joke about Boehner being a person of color as much as the next person, there are times when I feel overwhelmed with their fervor - especially in light of certain current events.

Anyway, I’m not complaining, just noticing. But sometimes the conversation gets too tribal and I just drop out completely…though I don’t know of a better way to say, “I can’t go there.”

I grew up in a mixed neighborhood on the wrong side of the tracks. I went to a preppy Catholic School system up on the hill (literally) almost all white and from the good neighborhoods.

So, during the evenings, weekends and vacations most of my real friends were African-American kids from around the neighborhood. We had quite the group for all our sports games, bike races, a baseball team in Junior League baseball. None of it makes me an expert in anything, but one thing I always thought worked for me is…

Just be you. Honest. Real. People of all colors understand that.

116 Aunty Entity Dragon  Aug 10, 2014 6:55:53pm

re: #110 psddluva4evah

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They know we see them, and they know that anything they do will result in a two week paid vacation and full reinstatment as long as they say “I felt threatened”.

They are virtually untouchable. Ask the cops who beat that homeless man to death in Fullerton.

117 Aunty Entity Dragon  Aug 10, 2014 6:56:39pm

re: #114 jaunte

The protestors might have Improvised Urban Devices.

Like using the sidewalk as a weapon.

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118 alpuz  Aug 10, 2014 6:57:18pm

fuck this.

119 Gus  Aug 10, 2014 6:58:01pm

Should be noted that it wasn’t a militarized police unit that killed Michael Brown. One squad car. One cop. One handgun.

120 TedStriker  Aug 10, 2014 6:58:27pm

re: #117 Aunty Entity Dragon

Like using the sidewalk as a weapon.

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Hey, it sorta, kinda worked for Trayvon, according to GZ

Except it didn’t and GZ still shot him dead.

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121 DodgerFan1988  Aug 10, 2014 6:59:14pm

The right wing response as expected is that Michael Brown got what he deserved just like Trayvon Martin and Renisha McBride, judging the tone of this website.mrconservative.com

122 abolitionist  Aug 10, 2014 6:59:48pm

re: #107 Aunty Entity Dragon

French reporting that tensions are high and that he is trying to make room between the protesters and the police.

If the police cannot respect people, maybe they can still respect their portable media devices. Decades ago, it was often said and written, “The revolution will not be televised.” Maybe not true.

123 alpuz  Aug 10, 2014 7:00:18pm

re: #121 DodgerFan1988

not clicking.

124 Aunty Entity Dragon  Aug 10, 2014 7:02:42pm

re: #119 Gus

Should be noted that it wasn’t a militarized police unit that killed Michael Brown. One squad car. One cop. One handgun.

Police attitude across the board has been militarized with a “warrior mentality” and jargon that refers to normal citizens as “civilians” while LE personnel are presumably pseudo military. You see it ad nasuseum in the cop forums, and Radley Balko discusses it at length in his new book “Rise of the Warrior Cop”.

I have noticed that some older retired cops are not at all cool with the new military attitude.

125 teleskiguy  Aug 10, 2014 7:03:29pm

Riverfront Times profile of Michael Brown.

Absolutely heartbreaking.

126 ObserverArt  Aug 10, 2014 7:03:35pm

Later all. Let’s hope America can keep it together. Times are about as turbulent as they’ve been in a long time.

127 Aunty Entity Dragon  Aug 10, 2014 7:04:46pm
128 Stanley Sea  Aug 10, 2014 7:06:01pm

re: #124 Aunty Entity Dragon

Police attitude across the board has been militarized with a “warrior mentality” and jargon that refers to normal citizens as “civilians” while LE personnel are presumably pseudo military. You see it ad nasuseum in the cop forums, and Radley Balko discusses it at length in his new book “Rise of the Warrior Cop”.

I have noticed that some older retired cops are not at all cool with the new military attitude.

Add steroids.

129 Lidane  Aug 10, 2014 7:06:10pm

re: #88 Charles Johnson

Ugh. National Report. If there was one website I’d love to send into a vortex of irrelevance, it’s that one. I can’t even begin to count how many times a friend of mine on FB will fall for one of their hoaxes and post some outraged/heartbroken screed about the downfall of America.

Today it was some screaming headline about the NYPD supposedly killing a baby. Tomorrow, who knows.

130 Aunty Entity Dragon  Aug 10, 2014 7:06:21pm
131 lawhawk  Aug 10, 2014 7:07:02pm

Instead of doing whatever it takes to reduce the levels of tensions, the Ferguson PD is breaking out cops in riot gear? Add a little intimidation to an already tense situation where one of their own shot and killed an unarmed black man.

The DOJ is monitoring the situation, but that’s not nearly enough. They ought to move to preserve all evidence from the scene, impounding the police vehicle allegedly involved, etc.

The local PD is claiming that he struggled with the officer for his gun before he was fatally shot and killed, but here we are once again talking about the words of a survivor and a dead black man who can’t speak for himself as to the events that led to his death.

How is it that the name of the officer involved isn’t public knowledge, and yet we’re getting statements that would have had to come from him as to the events.

Where’s the Due Process here - for Brown?

They may get justice — in the form of a prosecution of the police officer who shot and killed the recent Normandy High School graduate — but the odds aren’t stacked in their favor, and even if it happens, it won’t happen anytime soon.

America’s history is riddled with officer-involved-shootings in which juries give police who perform a dangerous job the benefit of the doubt. Trying to learn from those shootings to prevent further ones is difficult, says criminologist David Klinger, one of the nation’s foremost experts on police shootings.
Mr. Klinger, a former police officer, practices his craft just down the street from Ferguson, at the University of Missouri-St. Louis, where he is an associate professor in the criminal justice department.
One of the findings in a 2012 study he did of shootings by police in the city of St. Louis could offer some interesting guidance to whomever ultimately investigates the shooting of Michael Brown. Mr. Klinger recommended that the shooting investigations be handled with more transparency, and that ultimately, findings be posted on the department’s website, with the names of officers clearly identified.
Few police departments nationwide operate with such transparency, Mr. Klinger’s research has found, and that means little public accountability when a police officer shoots an unarmed civilian.

It’s no wonder, then, that leaders in Ferguson, including members of the NAACP, have called for the FBI to take over the lead in the investigation into how an unarmed 18-year-old was shot.

That’s a good suggestion, especially considering that the NAACP already has an ongoing federal complaint against the county police department over alleged racial profiling.

132 HappyWarrior  Aug 10, 2014 7:08:31pm

re: #125 teleskiguy

Riverfront Times profile of Michael Brown.

Absolutely heartbreaking.

You said it, heartbreaking.

133 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 10, 2014 7:10:19pm

BOMBSHELL from Dim Jim!

134 Lidane  Aug 10, 2014 7:11:23pm

re: #133 Pie-onist Overlord

WTF is he supposed to do? Fly to Baghdad and personally show them to Air Force One?

135 RealityBasedSteve  Aug 10, 2014 7:12:16pm

re: #130 Aunty Entity Dragon

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Antonio French is doing a tremendous job of trying to keep the situation under control. I’m sure that it will be only a matter of time before he gets smeared by the RWNJs as an Agitator, a Commie, and their ultimate insult, “Community Organizer”

136 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 10, 2014 7:12:29pm

re: #134 Lidane

WTF is he supposed to do? Fly to Baghdad and personally show them to Air Force One?

THAT WHAT RONALD REAGAN TEH GREATEST PRESIDENT WHO EVER LIVED WOULD HAVE DONE!!!!!!11!!!!!!!1!!!!!

137 HappyWarrior  Aug 10, 2014 7:13:30pm

re: #133 Pie-onist Overlord

BOMBSHELL from Dim Jim!

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He should have been reading a book about goats, that will show em.

138 Lidane  Aug 10, 2014 7:13:55pm

re: #136 Pie-onist Overlord

THAT WHAT RONALD REAGAN TEH GREATEST PRESIDENT WHO EVER LIVED WOULD HAVE DONE!!!!!!11!!!!!!!1!!!!!

Yep. Because we all know Reagan flew to Beirut and personally led the efforts to dig through the embassy ruins after it was bombed.

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139 Kragar  Aug 10, 2014 7:14:43pm
140 Charles Johnson  Aug 10, 2014 7:16:52pm

They’re mentally ill.

141 psddluva4evah  Aug 10, 2014 7:18:05pm
142 Charles Johnson  Aug 10, 2014 7:18:30pm
143 b_sharp  Aug 10, 2014 7:18:44pm

re: #141 psddluva4evah

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145 Teukka  Aug 10, 2014 7:20:00pm

re: #140 Charles Johnson

They’re mentally ill.

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I’ve been harboring that suspicion for quite some time, that a significant portion of the right wing in the western world has gone, as Jim Wright
put it, completely bonkers. And by bonkers I mean crazy. Looney Tunes. Starkers. The kind of bat-shit, drooling, bug-eyed, barking at the moon, piss-drinking, smeared in their own excrement, self-mutilating insanity you get from eating a steady diet of lead paint chips and snorting Tester’s Model Cement straight from the tap.

I wonder each day, how long before pundits will have bona fide meltdowns and psychotic episodes too bad to hide or explain away?

146 Kragar  Aug 10, 2014 7:20:22pm

re: #144 Pie-onist Overlord

Ronald Reagan was on the golf course when an armed man broke into the clubhouse and took hostages.

Remember when Reagan personally led the rescue teams after the Beirut Barracks bombing?

147 HappyWarrior  Aug 10, 2014 7:21:33pm

re: #146 Kragar

Remember when Reagan personally led the rescue teams after the Beirut Barracks bombing?

Was that before or after he personally tore down the Berlin wall with only his barehands and a jar of jelly beans?

148 Charles Johnson  Aug 10, 2014 7:22:10pm
149 makeitstop  Aug 10, 2014 7:22:15pm

re: #133 Pie-onist Overlord

BOMBSHELL from Dim Jim!

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Salient quote for Dim Jim: ‘Now watch this drive.’

150 b.d.  Aug 10, 2014 7:23:07pm

re: #144 Pie-onist Overlord

Ronald Reagan was on the golf course when an armed man broke into the clubhouse and took hostages.

So was the first time that Reagan tried to negotiate with terrorists?

AUGUSTA, Ga., Oct. 22— An armed man crashed through the gates of the Augusta National Golf Course today, took hostages and demanded to speak to President Reagan, who was playing the 16th hole at the time.

Before the intruder was apprehended two hours later and his five hostages freed without harm, the President unsuccessfully tried to speak to him by radio phone from the 16th fairway.

151 Charles Johnson  Aug 10, 2014 7:23:41pm
152 Charles Johnson  Aug 10, 2014 7:28:59pm

He’s favoriting my posts because he’s going to sue me. Har!

153 ausador  Aug 10, 2014 7:31:51pm

Shit, this wont help…

154 Charles Johnson  Aug 10, 2014 7:35:43pm
155 abolitionist  Aug 10, 2014 7:38:49pm

re: #154 Charles Johnson

Police presence is more than a little uneven.

156 ausador  Aug 10, 2014 7:39:07pm

re: #154 Charles Johnson

The handful of looters compared to the many peaceful protesters in Ferguson will now be the headline. Ugh.

Yep.

Dammit, well, so much for the news covering this as a peaceful demand for social justice… :(

157 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Aug 10, 2014 7:39:46pm

So while the cops faced down a peaceful demonstration, this place got looted?

158 ausador  Aug 10, 2014 7:44:04pm

re: #155 abolitionist

Police presence is more than a little uneven.

There was a police line at both ends of the block on the road that the protestors are blocking. One line was right next to the store, but now the police pulled back because things were getting too tense there. So then they immediately looted the store… :(

and now more…

159 jaunte  Aug 10, 2014 7:44:27pm
160 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Aug 10, 2014 7:46:41pm

re: #159 jaunte

Canadians more famously rioted and looted when they lost.

theprovince.com

161 Kragar  Aug 10, 2014 7:50:43pm
162 b_sharp  Aug 10, 2014 7:52:37pm

re: #160 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

Canadians more famously rioted and looted when they lost.

theprovince.com

We’re as bad as anybody.

163 Petero1818  Aug 10, 2014 7:52:41pm

KTVI now covering live new.livestream.com

164 gwangung  Aug 10, 2014 7:52:59pm

re: #160 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

Canadians more famously rioted and looted when they lost.

theprovince.com

Mostly Asian and white in Vancouver, BC.

165 Aunty Entity Dragon  Aug 10, 2014 7:53:29pm

Fuck. This just spiraled out of control.

166 Charles Johnson  Aug 10, 2014 7:54:29pm
167 Aunty Entity Dragon  Aug 10, 2014 7:57:32pm

re: #166 Charles Johnson

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Somebody may have decided that property damage is not worth a potential bloodbath. If that is true, I think it would be the right call.

168 TedStriker  Aug 10, 2014 7:59:29pm

re: #166 Charles Johnson

Last night the police came out in force with armored vehicles and dogs. Tonight they can’t even protect a convenience store?

— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) August 11, 2014

Given that the cops have been looking for just about any reason, contrived or not, to start cracking heads the past couple of nights, the cynic in me says that this was a feature, not a bug.

169 Aunty Entity Dragon  Aug 10, 2014 8:00:14pm

re: #168 TedStriker

Given that the cops have been looking for just about any reason, contrived or not, to start cracking heads the past couple of nights, the cynic in me says that this was a feature, not a bug.

Possible.

170 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Aug 10, 2014 8:00:18pm

re: #166 Charles Johnson

I don’t think they really have a strategy, but at least they’re being restrained. Better a store get looted than the batons come out. I really hope that the feds put people on the ground soon, I don’t think the black community is really feeling trust in local, or county, law enforcement right now.

171 Aunty Entity Dragon  Aug 10, 2014 8:02:58pm
172 Charles Johnson  Aug 10, 2014 8:05:12pm

I don’t know, folks. If the police have any reason at all for existing it’s to protect places like that convenience store. All they would have needed to do was be present.

I don’t know what the hell is going on in Ferguson, but this is crazy. The police are supposed to prevent this kind of anarchy, not just let it happen.

173 Aunty Entity Dragon  Aug 10, 2014 8:05:14pm
174 Petero1818  Aug 10, 2014 8:05:31pm

It what must be a new low for tv broadcasting, KTVI’s only camera on the scene is an Android phone.

175 Kragar  Aug 10, 2014 8:06:34pm

re: #173 Aunty Entity Dragon

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The cynic in me says the cops might have let this happen.

176 Aunty Entity Dragon  Aug 10, 2014 8:06:48pm

re: #172 Charles Johnson

I don’t know, folks. If the police have any reason at all for existing it’s to protect places like that convenience store. All they would have needed to do was be present.

I don’t know what the hell is going on in Ferguson, but this is crazy. The police are supposed to prevent this kind of anarchy, not just let it happen.

Yeah. I don’t know what to think at this point. I am not a fan of a lot of what LE does these days, but I am even less of a fan for anarchy.

177 Charles Johnson  Aug 10, 2014 8:07:12pm

re: #175 Kragar

The cynic in me says the cops might have let this happen.

I’m trying not to think that. Really trying.

178 Aunty Entity Dragon  Aug 10, 2014 8:08:18pm
179 Aunty Entity Dragon  Aug 10, 2014 8:11:03pm

re: #177 Charles Johnson

I’m trying not to think that. Really trying.

DimJim, Breitbart and VDARE are going to go apeshit. Whatever legacy that young man had has just been linked forever to looting, and the public assumption will be that he was somehow just like the looters.

180 ausador  Aug 10, 2014 8:13:44pm

Uh oh…

If they start torching places the police are going to have to go in regardless of whether they want to continue to show restraint or not.

181 abolitionist  Aug 10, 2014 8:14:46pm

re: #179 Aunty Entity Dragon

I would not be suprised if someday it comes to light that some of the earliest looters were paid to do it.

182 Aunty Entity Dragon  Aug 10, 2014 8:15:32pm
183 goddamnedfrank  Aug 10, 2014 8:15:52pm

re: #175 Kragar

The cynic in me says the cops might have let this happen.

“Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.”

-Hanlon’s razor.

Cops aren’t particularly trained or encouraged to be proactive. There’s a heavy emphasis on avoiding liability and reacting to situations as they occur. Getting out in front of shit generally isn’t in their intellectual toolkit.

184 Aunty Entity Dragon  Aug 10, 2014 8:16:49pm

re: #181 abolitionist

I doubt that. Opportunism is sufficient to explain this without going into conspiracy.

185 RadicalModerate  Aug 10, 2014 8:17:08pm

re: #80 Gus

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Anonymous of 2006 != Anonymous of today.

The political makeup of the “Anonymous” groups has changed, especially in the past couple of years. Previously, it was heavily into social justice, as subjects of their ire were individuals and groups like the white supremacist Stormfront and Hal Turner, as well as the Church of Scientology. Around 2010, the thrust was against corporate sectors (see the famous attacks on Bank of America and Citicorp), as well as affiliated individuals appearing at Operation Wall Street rallies. Sometime in 2013 that all changed, when there was a significant split - a large number of them sided with the Wikileaks/Greenwald/Snowden crowd. However,, a very vocal minority went the hardcore neo-Nazi route - things like Holocaust denial, repeatedly calling for a race war and/or a white nationalist revolution, and racially-based harassment are VERY commonly found in their discussions now.
It’s worth mentioning that these are some of the very same talking points that have found their way into regular discourse on a majority of what today qualifies as “mainstream” rightwing sites.

186 jaunte  Aug 10, 2014 8:17:27pm

re: #184 Aunty Entity Dragon

I doubt that. Opportunism is sufficient to explain this without going into conspiracy.

Exactly.

187 Aunty Entity Dragon  Aug 10, 2014 8:18:21pm

re: #183 goddamnedfrank

“Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.”

-Hanlon’s razor.

Cops aren’t particularly trained or encouraged to be proactive. There’s a heavy emphasis on avoiding liability and reacting to situations as they occur. Getting out in front of shit generally isn’t in their intellectual toolkit.

Generally true…unless they get to kick the shit out of “libtards” setting up to protest at a GOP event.

Then they suddenly get proactive as hell.

188 Kragar  Aug 10, 2014 8:18:58pm

re: #183 goddamnedfrank

“Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.”

-Hanlon’s razor.

Cops aren’t particularly trained or encouraged to be proactive. There’s a heavy emphasis on avoiding liability and reacting to situations as they occur. Getting out in front of shit generally isn’t in their intellectual toolkit.

“Should we move in now?”
“Nope, let them get rowdy. It will play out better for us.”

189 makeitstop  Aug 10, 2014 8:19:34pm

re: #175 Kragar

The cynic in me says the cops might have let this happen.

Yeah, to inflict hardship to the community, indirectly.

190 Kragar  Aug 10, 2014 8:22:32pm

To be clear, I do not think the cops set anything up.

I am suggesting they might not have moved in sooner to deliberately let things escalate so the story isn’t about them any more.

191 Aunty Entity Dragon  Aug 10, 2014 8:22:56pm
192 goddamnedfrank  Aug 10, 2014 8:23:58pm

re: #188 Kragar

“Should we move in now?”
“Nope, let them get rowdy. It will play out better for us.”

Police fear rowdy crowds, for somewhat valid reasons, it’s a dangerous profession and nobody wants to be outnumbered by a bunch of angry people yelling at them. The dangerous thing though is that that fear spreads, expresses and strengthens itself. So the cops call in reinforcements and since the fear is contagious it tends to ramp up exponentially, more cops, more fear. It’s a fucked up but very human runaway feedback mechanism, and it’s present in the crowd as well.

193 goddamnedfrank  Aug 10, 2014 8:25:42pm

re: #190 Kragar

To be clear, I do not think the cops set anything up.

I am suggesting they might not have moved in sooner to deliberately let things escalate so the story isn’t about them any more.

It’s also overtime pay. Everyone loves overtime pay.

194 ausador  Aug 10, 2014 8:25:56pm

Rachel Lippman now on that news stream (via phone), said she had to leave area because of increasing violence. So no more news tweets from her I guess…

195 ausador  Aug 10, 2014 8:28:08pm

Police are pushing in now, trying to disperse crowd.

196 Kragar  Aug 10, 2014 8:28:55pm

Its sad that this is even a thing #IfTheyGunnedMeDown

197 Aunty Entity Dragon  Aug 10, 2014 8:31:14pm
198 Aunty Entity Dragon  Aug 10, 2014 8:31:40pm

I am seeing multiple tweets of numerous shots fired.

199 Aunty Entity Dragon  Aug 10, 2014 8:33:05pm
200 Aunty Entity Dragon  Aug 10, 2014 8:34:04pm
201 ausador  Aug 10, 2014 8:34:36pm

re: #198 Aunty Entity Dragon

I am seeing multiple tweets of numerous shots fired.

Ditto, seen several too, hopefully they aren’t actually shooting at anyone, just shooting into air trying to put the fear of god into the cops. Probably counterproductive, a scared police officer is more likely to use excessive force.

202 Aunty Entity Dragon  Aug 10, 2014 8:36:30pm

link to St Louis county police dispatch to listen in real time:

broadcastify.com

203 Lidane  Aug 10, 2014 8:37:24pm

The answer is MOAR GUNZ. Only for white people, of course.

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204 ausador  Aug 10, 2014 8:37:37pm

Reporter on the live stream also says she heard gun shots. Police have called in for reinforcements and vehicles from the highway patrol.

205 teleskiguy  Aug 10, 2014 8:37:43pm

Stay classy, asshole.

206 jaunte  Aug 10, 2014 8:38:11pm
207 ausador  Aug 10, 2014 8:39:48pm

Live looting of a tire store on camera…people running everywhere carrying chrome rims. :(

(an Autozone actually)

208 Aunty Entity Dragon  Aug 10, 2014 8:40:05pm

I’m out for the night. Depressed as hell.

209 teleskiguy  Aug 10, 2014 8:43:49pm
210 psddluva4evah  Aug 10, 2014 8:52:34pm
211 Petero1818  Aug 10, 2014 9:00:28pm

This is pretty sad. Cops obviously not engaging and looters have the run of the place. Sure it avoids a bloodbath, but lots of businesses being destroyed.

212 Ryan King  Aug 10, 2014 9:00:43pm

I don’t think this is going to be over for a while. Really depressing.

213 Lidane  Aug 10, 2014 9:04:11pm

re: #212 Ryan King

I don’t think this is going to be over for a while. Really depressing.

It’s never been over. That’s what’s really depressing. This shit has gone on for decades. It never gets better and it never changes.

There were probably far more people at Penn State rioting after Joe Paterno got fired than there are protesting in Ferguson, but will that be any sort of context? Nope. It’s just going to be an angry black mob and nothing will change.

214 ausador  Aug 10, 2014 9:04:12pm

Looking at the police staging area you notice the line of prisoner transport vans with the back doors open. Cops are getting ready to make some mass arrests apparently, looks like they have quite a force of officers gathered together now.

215 Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 10, 2014 9:06:15pm

I fear it’s only a matter of time until someone lights the match…

216 Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 10, 2014 9:06:54pm

It’s sad some of these scenes seem more suited to Russia or Brazil, not America.

217 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Aug 10, 2014 9:07:43pm

What’s the Spike Lee Joint this reminds me of? Do the Right Thing
Edit: It’s been years since I’ve seen the movie, but for some reason, that came to mind just now.

So sad, all around, this situation.

218 abolitionist  Aug 10, 2014 9:09:03pm

re: #215 Eclectic Cyborg

It was reported about 10min ago by KTVI Live News that the previously looted convenience store was burning.

219 ausador  Aug 10, 2014 9:10:35pm

re: #218 abolitionist

It was reported about 10min ago by KTVI Live News that the previously looted convenience store was burning.

And a BBQ shack of some kind…

220 Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 10, 2014 9:10:35pm

re: #218 abolitionist

It was reported about 10min ago by KTVI Live News that the previously looted convenience store was burning.

There’s always morons who do stupid things and needlessly provoke a situation. I really hope lives don’t get lost because of some fools who just wanted to score free cigarettes.

221 teleskiguy  Aug 10, 2014 9:11:11pm

re: #218 abolitionist

It was reported about 10min ago by KTVI Live News that the previously looted convenience store was burning.

222 HappyWarrior  Aug 10, 2014 9:11:17pm

re: #213 Lidane

It’s never been over. That’s what’s really depressing. This shit has gone on for decades. It never gets better and it never changes.

There were probably far more people at Penn State rioting after Joe Paterno got fired than there are protesting in Ferguson, but will that be any sort of context? Nope. It’s just going to be an angry black mob and nothing will change.

Yep, that’s going to be the narrative. Can already see it on the cable news now.

223 HappyWarrior  Aug 10, 2014 9:11:36pm

Just a depressing story.

224 Lidane  Aug 10, 2014 9:13:20pm

re: #217 Rev_Arthur_Belling

What’s the Spike Lee Joint this reminds me of? Do the Right Thing

The fact that Do The Right Thing is still relevant all these years later is a sad statement.

225 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Aug 10, 2014 9:15:13pm

re: #224 Lidane

The fact that Do The Right Thing is still relevant all these years later is a sad statement.

Indeed it is. 25 years old this month! Released in Aug. 1989.

226 ausador  Aug 10, 2014 9:16:57pm

How many of the people in the community aren’t going to have a job in the morning because the business they worked for has been destroyed?

227 teleskiguy  Aug 10, 2014 9:19:11pm
“Trouble Every Day” by Frank Zappa

Well I’m about to get sick
From watchin’ my TV
Been checkin’ out the news
Until my eyeballs fail to see
I mean to say that every day
Is just another rotten mess
And when it’s gonna change, my friend
Is anybody’s guess

So I’m watchin’ and I’m waitin’
Hopin’ for the best
Even think I’ll go to prayin’
Every time I hear ‘em sayin’
That there’s no way to delay
That trouble comin’ every day
No way to delay
That trouble comin’ every day

Wednesday I watched the riot …
Seen the cops out on the street
Watched ‘em throwin’ rocks and stuff
And chokin’ in the heat
Listened to reports
About the whisky passin’ ‘round
Seen the smoke and fire
And the market burnin’ down
Watched while everybody
On his street would take a turn
To stomp and smash and bash and crash
And slash and bust and burn

And I’m watchin’ and I’m waitin’
Hopin’ for the best
Even think I’ll go to prayin’
Every time I hear ‘em sayin’
That there’s no way to delay
That trouble comin’ every day
No way to delay
That trouble comin’ every day

Well, you can cool it,
You can heat it …
‘Cause, baby, I don’t need it …
Take your TV tube and eat it
‘N all that phony stuff on sports
‘N all the unconfirmed reports
You know I watched that rotten box
Until my head begin to hurt
From checkin’ out the way
The newsman say they get the dirt
Before the guys on channel so-and-so

And further they assert
That any show they’ll interrupt
To bring you news if it comes up
They say that if the place blows up
They will be the first to tell,
Because the boys they got downtown
Are workin’ hard and doin’ swell,
And if anybody gets the news
Before it hits the street,
They say that no one blabs it faster
Their coverage can’t be beat

And if another woman driver
Gets machine-gunned from her seat
They’ll send some joker with a brownie
And you’ll see it all complete

So I’m watchin’ and I’m waitin’
Hopin’ for the best
Even think I’ll go to prayin’
Every time I hear ‘em sayin’
That there’s no way to delay
That trouble comin’ every day
No way to delay
That trouble comin’ every day

Hey, you know something people?
I’m not black
But there’s a whole lots a times
I wish I could say I’m not white

Well, I seen the fires burnin’
And the local people turnin’
On the merchants and the shops
Who used to sell their brooms and mops
And every other household item
Watched the mob just turn and bite ‘em
And they say it served ‘em right
Because a few of them are white,
And it’s the same across the nation
Black and white discrimination
Yellin’ “You can’t understand me!”
‘N all that other jazz they hand me
In the papers and TV and
All that mass stupidity
That seems to grow more every day
Each time you hear some nitwit say
He wants to go and do you in
Because the color of your skin
Just don’t appeal to him
(No matter if it’s black or white)
Because he’s out for blood tonight

You know we got to sit around at home
And watch this thing begin
But I bet there won’t be many live
To see it really end
‘Cause the fire in the street
Ain’t like the fire in the heart
And in the eyes of all these people
Don’t you know that this could start
On any street in any town
In any state if any clown
Decides that now’s the time to fight
For some ideal he thinks is right
And if a million more agree
There ain’t no Great Society
As it applies to you and me
Our country isn’t free
And the law refuses to see
If all that you can ever be
Is just a lousy janitor
Unless your uncle owns a store
You know that five in every four
Just won’t amount to nothin’ more
Gonna watch the rats go across the floor
And make up songs about being poor

Blow your harmonica, son!

228 teleskiguy  Aug 10, 2014 9:20:41pm

re: #226 ausador

How many of the people in the community aren’t going to have a job in the morning because the business they worked for has been destroyed?

The Family Dollar was looted. Mike Brown’s best friend is a manager at that store.

229 Rightwingconspirator  Aug 10, 2014 9:20:47pm

We as a nation failed to learn the right lessons from the Rodney King beat down. The Rampart scandal. etc. Why don’t the lessons stick?

230 Lidane  Aug 10, 2014 9:29:02pm

re: #229 Rightwingconspirator

Why don’t the lessons stick?

That’s just it — they DO stick. We just learn the wrong lessons.

When the Rodney King beatdown happened, what did we learn? That a black man was at fault for the cops beating him and black people were to blame for looters taking advantage of chaos.

With Trayvon, we learned that we needed to expand Stand Your Ground laws and put MOAR GUNZ in the “right” hands and that Trayvon was somehow responsible for his own death.

When Shawna Forde and her fellow militia nuts killed the Flores family thinking they were illegal, we learned that they weren’t part of a larger militia movement of racist nutcases. They were just lone wolves.

Same shit, different year. The right will blame Mike Brown for his own murder and call for MOAR GUNZ and nothing will change. Again.

231 Floral Giraffe  Aug 10, 2014 9:36:45pm

And interesting quote from an article about how the LAPD changed after the Rodney King and Rampart Division scandals

But as the city’s demographics changed, the largely white police department — almost 60 percent white at the time of the King beating — was seen as the equivalent of an occupying army that couldn’t be controlled by the city’s elected officials.

Later in the decade, the department’s Rampart scandal resulted in a huge probe into allegations of corruption among anti-gang officers. That ushered in eight years of federal oversight of the LAPD, after the U.S. Department of Justice alleged a long pattern of abuses. Many of the reforms proposed by the Christopher commission were mandated by the federal consent decree.

Under police Chief William Bratton in the 2000s, the department focused on community policing, hired more minority officers and worked to resolve tensions between officers and minority communities who continued to complain about racial profiling and excessive use of force.

source: cbsnews.com

Might be some changes coming here, too…

232 Joanne  Aug 10, 2014 9:39:15pm

And so it begins…

233 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Aug 10, 2014 9:41:40pm

re: #232 Joanne

And so it begins…

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My surprise face, let me show you it.

Seriously, these people are like Pavlov’s dogs. (Twitchy, Hoft, the whole RWNJ media sphere)

234 teleskiguy  Aug 10, 2014 9:41:41pm
235 ausador  Aug 10, 2014 9:43:43pm

Good grief, this just keeps getting worse, the damage from tonight is going to hurt this town for a long time. I imagine by tomorrow night they will have the place locked down with police everywhere. Seems to always be the story, they’ll be ready for the riot and looting the day after it actually happens.

Doesn’t mean they had to have 1000 police surrounding the protestors, but they could have let them know that in case they were needed they were available just up the road at a staging area.

The talking heads of the MSM are going to have a ball with this tomorrow playing captain hindsight, “why weren’t police prepared?”

Yeah, why not?

236 Lidane  Aug 10, 2014 9:46:01pm

re: #232 Joanne

And there you have it, kids — the lesson from Ferguson. Everything was peachy keen until an angry black mob protested the cops and brought in the Black Panthers. And somehow, the victim is at fault for his own death.

Lather, rinse, repeat.

237 Charles Johnson  Aug 10, 2014 9:46:26pm

I’m sorry, but the police managed to bring out armored vehicles, assault rifles and dogs, and dozens of officers with riot gear last night, but they were caught off-guard tonight and couldn’t do anything?

Does not pass the smell test. I don’t know what’s going on in Ferguson, but this stinks.

The idiots who are looting stores are NOT helping either. But something rotten is going on here.

238 Joanne  Aug 10, 2014 9:49:55pm
239 TedStriker  Aug 10, 2014 9:55:57pm

re: #237 Charles Johnson

I’m sorry, but the police managed to bring out armored vehicles, assault rifles and dogs, and dozens of officers with riot gear last night, but they were caught off-guard tonight and couldn’t do anything?

Does not pass the smell test. I don’t know what’s going on in Ferguson, but this stinks.

The idiots who are looting stores are NOT helping either. But something rotten is going on here.

Hence what I said in my #168…something is rotten in the state of Missouri.

240 teleskiguy  Aug 10, 2014 10:05:40pm

Roland S. Martin just called in to a local FM hip-hop station in St. Louis (104.1, they’ve been on the air non-stop for hours just talking about the situation and every other minute telling everybody in the area to go home) and just WENT OFF! I was in tears when he was done. I hope a YouTube or a SoundCloud comes out.

241 teleskiguy  Aug 10, 2014 10:11:58pm

re: #237 Charles Johnson

I’m sorry, but the police managed to bring out armored vehicles, assault rifles and dogs, and dozens of officers with riot gear last night, but they were caught off-guard tonight and couldn’t do anything?

Does not pass the smell test. I don’t know what’s going on in Ferguson, but this stinks.

The idiots who are looting stores are NOT helping either. But something rotten is going on here.

The fucking police stood there and blocked roads for many hours before the first window broke.

242 teleskiguy  Aug 10, 2014 10:17:19pm

Mike Brown’s mother is speaking on 104.1 FM in St. Louis right now. A lot of anger over what happened tonight. It’s heartbreaking radio.

243 ausador  Aug 10, 2014 10:23:12pm

Sports store being looted, cops swoop in and everyone scatters, cops check store and find no one inside, no arrests. All the cops jump back in their cars and leave, three minutes later car loads of looters pull back up and go back to work stripping the store.

sigh…

244 teleskiguy  Aug 10, 2014 10:29:25pm
245 teleskiguy  Aug 10, 2014 10:33:40pm

re: #244 teleskiguy

I really hope someone recorded this and has a SoundCloud or YouTube, because it was righteous truth. It did drive me to tears.

246 Joanne  Aug 10, 2014 10:34:14pm

re: #245 teleskiguy

I really hope someone recorded this and has a SoundCloud or YouTube, because it was righteous truth. It did drive me to tears.

What did he say?

247 teleskiguy  Aug 10, 2014 10:38:28pm

He said a lot of things…he said A LOT of things.

248 teleskiguy  Aug 10, 2014 10:41:38pm

I don’t watch TV so maybe some lizards - I don’t know - can watch CNN (cringe) and observe Roland S. Martin. He spoke on a hip-hop station tonight and there was passion, there was anger, there was logic. Plenty of condemnation of the shithead rioters, plenty.

249 teleskiguy  Aug 10, 2014 10:42:48pm

104.1 FM in St. Louis has a caller on air talking about looters trying to break into a church.

250 Charles Johnson  Aug 10, 2014 10:44:43pm
251 Joanne  Aug 10, 2014 10:45:16pm

Fucking Twitter is a toilet. I’m going to sleep. It’s getting more depressing if that’s possible.

Night all.

252 ausador  Aug 10, 2014 11:16:50pm

Already a bunch of Ferguson Looting videos up on YouTube, mostly footage from the KTVI livestream though.

253 ausador  Aug 10, 2014 11:23:45pm

Looters back in the sporting goods store for the FOURTH TIME.

The police are stuck playing whack-a-mole, as the cops move from place to place the looters just come right back…

wait…an unmarked car just caught a bunch of them in the store, finally!

254 ausador  Aug 10, 2014 11:25:38pm

Reporter talking about how many cars they have seen coming on the 270 highway, people coming into Ferguson to join in the looting from outside of town.

255 Shiplord Kirel  Aug 10, 2014 11:33:45pm

re: #254 ausador

Reporter talking about how many cars they have seen coming on the 270 highway, people coming into Ferguson to join in the looting from outside of town.

I wonder if some of them are militia types more interested in shooting than looting? We’ve never seen that before but Bundy showed them a whole new level of possibilities.

256 ausador  Aug 10, 2014 11:51:07pm

re: #255 Shiplord Kirel

I wonder if some of them are militia types more interested in shooting than looting? We’ve never seen that before but Bundy showed them a whole new level of possibilities.

I certainly hope not, I’m betting on opportunistic looters coming out of other areas of St. Louis.

257 thecommodore  Aug 11, 2014 12:01:25am

This Twitter feed is from a KMOX reporter who has been following the unrest in Ferguson, and north St. Louis County.

twitter.com

258 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Aug 11, 2014 12:23:07am

re: #250 Charles Johnson

The media downplayed the Ferguson story today. But they won’t downplay it tomorrow.

This is the approach of: “I was just standing there at the Xerox, quietly copying pages from my sister’s diary and she just started freaking out FOR NO REASON!!!”

259 ausador  Aug 11, 2014 12:49:16am

I wonder if the local Police departments will have the resources to go after all the people caught looting on camera tonight. They have a lot of these peoples faces, cars, and license plates on news and security camera footage. Maybe the FBI can give them a hand since they are supposed to be joining the investigation now?

260 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Aug 11, 2014 1:02:03am

re: #259 ausador

I wonder if the local Police departments will have the resources to go after all the people caught looting on camera tonight. They have a lot of these peoples faces, cars, and license plates on news and security camera footage. Maybe the FBI can give them a hand since they are supposed to be joining the investigation now?

If not, they can ask the militias to assist them…

261 ausador  Aug 11, 2014 1:05:36am

re: #260 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

If not, they can ask the militias to assist them…

Somehow I really don’t think that would be appropriate. Isn’t law enforcement supposed to be performed by officers of the law and not redneck vigilantes?

262 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Aug 11, 2014 1:09:16am

re: #261 ausador

Somehow I really don’t think that would be appropriate. Isn’t law enforcement supposed to be performed by officers of the law and not redneck vigilantes?

If government officials cannot enforce the law of the land, then we need GOOD GUYS WITH GUNS!!!

/

263 RadicalModerate  Aug 11, 2014 1:11:10am

For those of you wondering where the police presence was, they were spending their resources protecting the more affluent (read: white) neighborhoods.

Here’s a video of them confronting protesters, and at the 1:30 mark forcibly pulling a six-month pregnant woman from her vehicle.

facebook.com

264 teleskiguy  Aug 11, 2014 1:11:58am

NSFW: Language

265 ausador  Aug 11, 2014 1:12:10am

The CNN thread on the looting is blowing up, about 200 comments in the last minute alone.

266 RadicalModerate  Aug 11, 2014 1:15:50am

re: #265 ausador

The CNN thread on the looting is blowing up, about 200 comments in the last minute alone.

It’s Disqus, an absolute cesspool of commenters. Since the moderation there is almost non-existent the worst form of trolls and miscreants post the most inflammatory content possible.

267 ausador  Aug 11, 2014 1:19:39am

re: #264 teleskiguy

NSFW: Language

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The problem with this version of the guy’s story is that it doesn’t account for how the body ended up about 35 feet from the patrol car’s drivers door.

268 ausador  Aug 11, 2014 1:22:52am

re: #266 RadicalModerate

It’s Disqus, an absolute cesspool of commenters. Since the moderation there is almost non-existent the worst form of trolls and miscreants post the most inflammatory content possible.

Yeah, they’re mostly pretty awful, some are just obvious trolls, but quite a lot of them are showing some pretty clear racial bias.

269 RadicalModerate  Aug 11, 2014 1:31:07am

Time for some historical perspective.

270 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Aug 11, 2014 2:00:16am

Yesterday I learned some interesting facts about the role of the Orthodox fundie oligarch Konstantin Malofeyev in the Ukrainian events. SBU seems to have misidentified his voice as that of Chesnakov in that intercept of the talk between Borodai and some other man (all the media ran with it as establishing the role of the Kremlin). Moreover, in the earlier (April) intercepts he seems to be giving instructions to Strelkov himself. Both Strelkov and Borodai used to work for Malofeyev. Malofeyev is well-known for his key role in helping Putin to establish internet censorship. He also “builds bridges” between Russian and European neofascist conservatives.

271 urbanmeemaw  Aug 11, 2014 2:10:31am

If you’re in a radio market that carries the Tom Joyner Morning Show you may want to tune in. Roland Martin is on that show frequently and they discuss these issues every day.

272 Botsplainer  Aug 11, 2014 2:53:55am

Y’know, one of these days, some person of color with sniper training and a good rifle is going to start demonstrating that riot helmets on dog wielding cops aren’t bulletproof, and I’ll manage about the same level of concern and pity that RWNJs have for Trayvon and Michael Brown when that day happens.

273 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Aug 11, 2014 3:15:41am

re: #272 Botsplainer

I don’t think that aiming for the level of empathy of a RWNJ is a good idea.

274 Lidane  Aug 11, 2014 3:57:29am

Oh great. According to Alex Jones (no, I’m not linking to him) people are now calling for the National Guard in Missouri. Fun times.

275 Lidane  Aug 11, 2014 4:00:26am

Cynical, but true:

276 Timothy Watson  Aug 11, 2014 4:00:42am

re: #272 Botsplainer

Y’know, one of these days, some person of color with sniper training and a good rifle is going to start demonstrating that riot helmets on dog wielding cops aren’t bulletproof, and I’ll manage about the same level of concern and pity that RWNJs have for Trayvon and Michael Brown when that day happens.

Because police officers and sheriff’s deputies from four or five jurisdictions away are responsible for what happened in Ferguson?

277 Dr Lizardo  Aug 11, 2014 4:00:52am

re: #274 Lidane

Oh great. According to Alex Jones (no, I’m not linking to him) people are now calling for the National Guard in Missouri. Fun times.

Alex Jones…..his websites are one of the reeking, open sewers of the internet. Disgusting filth - speaking of disgusting filth, I wonder what ol’ Limbaugh will have to say on his radio hatefest today?

278 Lidane  Aug 11, 2014 4:01:54am

Wow. Just…wow. Expect the RWNJs to ignore this:

279 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Aug 11, 2014 4:02:03am

re: #275 Lidane

Cynical, but true:

All the white folks tweeting up a storm about damaged property in #Ferguson who didn’t say a word on police murdering #MikeBrown yesterday.

we were just commenting on the odd silence…

280 FemNaziBitch  Aug 11, 2014 4:03:08am

I’m so sick of this shit.

you?

281 Lidane  Aug 11, 2014 4:03:54am

re: #277 Dr Lizardo

Alex Jones…..his websites are one of the reeking, open sewers of the internet. Disgusting filth - speaking of disgusting filth, I wonder what ol’ Limbaugh will have to say on his radio hatefest today?

Limbaugh will talk about mobilizing the National Guard to quell the rioters and looters, bleat about the Black Panthers being sighted in Ferguson, and find a way to blame Mike Brown for his own death.

And MOAR GUNZ will solve everything, obviously.

282 FemNaziBitch  Aug 11, 2014 4:03:58am

re: #272 Botsplainer

Y’know, one of these days, some person of color with sniper training and a good rifle is going to start demonstrating that riot helmets on dog wielding cops aren’t bulletproof, and I’ll manage about the same level of concern and pity that RWNJs have for Trayvon and Michael Brown when that day happens.

i think that already happened in the D.C. area a few years ago.

283 FemNaziBitch  Aug 11, 2014 4:05:02am

re: #269 RadicalModerate

Time for some historical perspective.

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Also a time when people were disillusioned with war.

284 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Aug 11, 2014 4:08:07am

re: #278 Lidane

Wow. Just…wow. Expect the RWNJs to ignore this:

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The contraband rate for white people is higher than for black people, yet white people are far less often stopped and searched, and also far less often arrested.

285 Lidane  Aug 11, 2014 4:08:48am

re: #280 FemNaziBitch

I’m so sick of this shit.

you?

Been sick of it for decades, but it won’t change.

286 Lidane  Aug 11, 2014 4:10:43am

re: #284 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

The contraband rate for white people is higher than for black people, yet white people are far less often stopped and searched, and also far less often arrested.

And if you look at the comments for that tweet, the lesson is obviously that blacks commit more crime, so of course they get stopped more.

WTF.

287 FemNaziBitch  Aug 11, 2014 4:18:58am

re: #286 Lidane

And if you look at the comments for that tweet, the lesson is obviously that blacks commit more crime, so of course they get stopped more.

WTF.

A classic case of:

288 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Aug 11, 2014 4:22:00am

re: #287 FemNaziBitch

The cracker gets what the cracker cracks!

289 FemNaziBitch  Aug 11, 2014 4:23:15am

re: #288 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

The cracker gets what the cracker cracks!

More appropriate in this case!

290 FemNaziBitch  Aug 11, 2014 4:24:58am

On lighter note, Feral Girl picked-up a pine cone in the yard and thought it would be a good chew toy. I quickly changed her mind for her. She’s been here just over a week and already responds to “leave it” immediately. She may be too smart for me.

feral girl

291 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Aug 11, 2014 4:35:42am

re: #286 Lidane

And if you look at the comments for that tweet, the lesson is obviously that blacks commit more crime, so of course they get stopped more.

WTF.

That shows whites as being well over 50% more criminal than blacks, by the metric of ‘contraband rate’. So… arrest more white people?

292 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Aug 11, 2014 4:39:30am

I am also for IRS checkpoints in high white-collar crime areas.

Can I see your tax receipts, please?

293 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 11, 2014 4:41:34am

This reminds me of the Detroit riots of 1967.

I was a high school junior at the time, doing a summer internship at the Detroit Institute of Arts.

294 FemNaziBitch  Aug 11, 2014 4:45:12am

Ran acrossed this the other day, can’t remember if I already shared it.

295 FemNaziBitch  Aug 11, 2014 4:47:10am

Well Feral Girl, Brat Puppy and Princess Dog have eaten, drank, romped and done all necessary business OUTSIDE. They are taking their morning nap and so shall I.

bbl

296 Romantic Heretic  Aug 11, 2014 4:50:40am

re: #175 Kragar

The cynic in me says the cops might have let this happen.

Like what happened here in Toronto during the G20.

The G20 was expected and prepared for months in advance. There were over 25,000 LEOs plus military on security duty. The protests had been peaceful.

Yet somehow about two dozen ‘Black Bloc’ anarchists manage to rampage downtown for an hour and a half before disappearing back into the peaceful protestors.

At which point the police started cracking down hard on the peaceful protestors.

I’m sure that was just a coincidence. infinite/

297 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 11, 2014 4:54:52am

re: #294 FemNaziBitch

Ran acrossed this the other day, can’t remember if I already shared it.

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Um that’s the old Packard plant that shows up frequently in RW memes bashing Detroit. The Packard plant closed in 1958.

298 Romantic Heretic  Aug 11, 2014 4:55:33am

re: #206 jaunte

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Um, it might be wise to have ‘PRESS’ in white letters on that equipment.

299 Romantic Heretic  Aug 11, 2014 4:57:46am

re: #229 Rightwingconspirator

We as a nation failed to learn the right lessons from the Rodney King beat down. The Rampart scandal. etc. Why don’t the lessons stick?

Because thinking is hard. Much easier to believe and react with violence when challenged.

300 Timothy Watson  Aug 11, 2014 5:05:24am
301 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Aug 11, 2014 5:09:28am

When do they start with the curfews?

302 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Aug 11, 2014 5:13:18am

“Right now, the small group of people are creating a huge mess,” Ferguson’s mayor, James Knowles, told St. Louis KTVI-TV. “Contributing to the unrest that is going on is not going to help. … We’re only hurting ourselves, only hurting our community, hurting our neighbors. There’s nothing productive from this.”

303 Dr Lizardo  Aug 11, 2014 5:15:30am

re: #300 Timothy Watson

This is 100% speculation on my part, but I’m thinking Tahmooressi was going to sell those weapons and ammo to a contact he’d cultivated in Tijuana.

He was gunrunning and he got caught. That’s just my take on it based on what I’ve read.

304 Timothy Watson  Aug 11, 2014 5:18:51am

re: #303 Dr Lizardo

This is 100% speculation on my part, but I’m thinking Tahmooressi was going to sell those weapons and ammo to a contact he’d cultivated in Tijuana.

He was gunrunning and he got caught. That’s just my take on it based on what I’ve read.

I’m trying to figure out why no one has asked why he had those weapons when it wasn’t even legal to possess the rifle and the magazines in California (as I understand California law)?

305 Lancelot Link  Aug 11, 2014 5:24:26am

re: #303 Dr Lizardo

Aren’t the RWNJs always trying to impeach Eric Holder because somebody smuggled guns into Mexico? How come this guy smuggling guns into Mexico is suddenly a hero?

(That’s a rhetorical question.)

306 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Aug 11, 2014 5:28:53am

In other tragedy news:
Sheriff: No Charges Pending Against Tony Stewart In Fatal Crash

This is good. What happened seems like a horrific accident, but just that. Ward should have never gotten out of his car on a hot track, and definitely shouldn’t have walked out into oncoming traffic. He paid for it with his life. Stewart will live with the knowledge that he killed a 20-year-old for the rest of his.

I can’t imagine having that on my conscience.

307 Dr Lizardo  Aug 11, 2014 5:29:41am

re: #304 Timothy Watson

re: #305 Lancelot Link

Good questions. I expect no answers from the RW’ers anytime soon.

From the Salon article, I found this somewhat telling:

In the wake of this new evidence, Tahmooressi has secured new counsel to represent him, his third attorney in four months. Jill Tahmooressi, who had been ever present on Fox News and social media, has gone silent and returned to Florida. A press event scheduled for last week in San Diego to garner support for Tahmooressi was abruptly canceled without explanation.

Sounds like some of his supporters are starting to realize they’ve hitched their wagon to a dead horse - Tahmooressi’s case isn’t what some of them thought it was.

308 NJDhockeyfan  Aug 11, 2014 5:35:15am

Father of the year….

Newspaper: Terrorist’s son poses in gruesome photo

CANBERRA, Australia (AP) — An Australian newspaper on Monday published a photograph of a child it said was the son of an Australian convicted terrorist holding aloft the severed head of a Syrian soldier.

Prime Minister Tony Abbott told Australian Broadcasting Corp. radio that the photograph was further evidence of “just how barbaric” the Islamic State group is.

The Australian newspaper reported that the photograph of terrorist Khaled Sharrouf’s son, who was raised in Sydney, was posted on Twitter by his proud father.

“That’s my boy!” Sharrouf apparently posted beneath the image that was taken in the northern Syrian city of Raqqa, the capital of what has been declared that an Islamic Caliphate by the Islamic State, the newspaper reported.

The child, who is not named, appears to be younger than 10 years old.

309 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 11, 2014 5:37:22am

re: #307 Dr Lizardo

Good questions. I expect no answers from the RW’ers anytime soon.

From the Salon article, I found this somewhat telling:

Sounds like some of his supporters are starting to realize they’ve hitched their wagon to a dead horse - Tahmooressi’s case isn’t what some of them thought it was.

After the RWNJ mob decided that Bowe Bergdhal was HURR HURR TRAITOR!!!!! they made Tahmooressi their new Hero. The TCOT’s are all screeching TRADE 20 MILLION ILL EAGLES 4 ARE HERO MARINE!!!!!!

310 Dr Lizardo  Aug 11, 2014 5:39:41am

re: #309 Pie-onist Overlord

RWNJ’s; they sure know how to pick ‘em, don’t they.

*headdesk*

311 sattv4u2  Aug 11, 2014 5:39:45am

re: #308 NJDhockeyfan

holding aloft the severed head of a Syrian soldier.

HEH
Best I have of my son at 10 is him holding up a soccer trophy!!

///

312 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 11, 2014 5:42:52am

Tahmooressi was driving around with all this stuff in his car:

Not legal in Mexico & not even legal in California.

313 Timothy Watson  Aug 11, 2014 5:42:55am

The stupid, it burns!

314 nsmith25  Aug 11, 2014 5:43:10am
315 nsmith25  Aug 11, 2014 5:45:55am

re: #314 nsmith25

I’m a Black Male high school teacher in Central KY, at a lily white private school. We start school tomorrow. I’m going to walk in a class with 25 innocent white faces, who have no clue about things like this.

316 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Aug 11, 2014 5:47:39am

re: #313 Timothy Watson

The stupid, it burns!

Tucker Carlson: More Kids Die ‘In Their Bathtubs’ Than From Gun Accidents (VIDEO)

Nobody has a Constitutional, God-given right to a bathtub!

317 William Barnett-Lewis  Aug 11, 2014 5:51:39am

re: #315 nsmith25

I’m a Black Male high school teacher in Central KY, at a lily white private school. We start school tomorrow. I’m going to walk in a class with 25 innocent white faces, who have no clue about things like this.

God bless, that’s gotta be hard. My son is Asian - adopted from Vietnam - and occasionally gets some shit but up here the real grief is for the Native Americans out on the Rez. “Oh but ain’t that America, for you and me?”

318 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Aug 11, 2014 6:00:29am

re: #312 Pie-onist Overlord

Tahmooressi was driving around with all this stuff in his car:

Not legal in Mexico & not even legal in California.

Yunno, if we just sealed the border completely, “mistakes” like this could not happen…

319 Lidane  Aug 11, 2014 6:02:20am

Not this shit again:

BURGER ROBOT POISED TO DISRUPT FAST FOOD INDUSTRY

Burger robots may improve consistency and sanitation, and they can knock out a rush like nobody’s business. Momentum’s robot can make a burger in 10 seconds (360/hr). Fast yes, but also superior quality. Because the restaurant is free to spend its savings on better ingredients, it can make gourmet burgers at fast food prices.

Or at least, that’s the idea.

Momentum Machines says your average fast food joint spends $135,000 a year on burger line cooks. Employees work in a chaotic kitchen environment that necessitates no-slip shoes in addition to the standard hairnets and aprons.

By replacing human cooks, the machine reduces liability, management duties, and, at just 24 square feet, the overall food preparation footprint. Resources once dedicated to preparation can instead fund better service.

What savings? They conveniently forget the part where you’d have to have people on hand to clean and disinfect said robot during a shift so people don’t die of food-borne illness and also someone else on hand to maintain the damned thing.

That $135,000/yr on line cooks could easily double in maintenance costs.

320 Timothy Watson  Aug 11, 2014 6:03:03am

re: #312 Pie-onist Overlord

Tahmooressi was driving around with all this stuff in his car:
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Not legal in Mexico & not even legal in California.

Looking over the California gun laws, both the possession of the rifle and the importation of the magazines (assuming that they all over 10 rounds which I’m 99% sure they are) into the state are illegal.

The rifle is an “assault weapon” and banned under California law because it’s both an AR-15 derivative and meets the “generic” ban regarding certain features (in this case, the folding/telescopic stock, the pistol grip, magazine capacity, and the flash suppressor).

Mere possession of a large capacity magazine isn’t illegal in the state, but I would figure that he brought those magazines in from another state since it’s illegal to sell them in California. Importation of a large capacity magazine into the state is illegal.

(Caveat: Active duty military can bring a privately owned “assault weapon” into the state but must first obtain permission from the state, but the story from Slate says he was discharged prior to moving to California.)

(Caveat: Not a lawyer, didn’t stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night.)

321 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 11, 2014 6:06:10am

re: #319 Lidane

Not this shit again:

BURGER ROBOT POISED TO DISRUPT FAST FOOD INDUSTRY

What savings? They conveniently forget the part where you’d have to have people on hand to clean and disinfect said robot during a shift so people don’t die of food-borne illness and also someone else on hand to maintain the damned thing.

That $135,000/yr on line cooks could easily double in maintenance costs.

It’s the same “Burger Machine” that I was talking about last week. Momentum’s machine is not for sale to fast food franchises. What they want to do is start their own chain of “Made By Machine” restaurants, probably in Asia. If that takes off, they may consider LEASING equipment to other franchises.

momentummachines.com website hasn’t been updated in 2 years and there are no lease plans or rollout announcements on their website.

322 lawhawk  Aug 11, 2014 6:07:23am

I got to catch a segment on the local news where Michael Brown’s mother was trying to hold it together during an interview on the street near where her son was killed. She spoke passionately about how tough it is for a black man to just graduate from high school and the barriers that make it tough for kids like her son to even achieve what many of us take for granted. And her son’s life was snuffed out by a cop’s bullet.

His story isn’t alone, and it is a cautionary tale about how we as a society have failed the black community. We’ve got a law enforcement mindset that treats blacks differently than whites. In fact, the Ferguson PD was known to stop far more blacks than whites during routine stops, despite fact that whites were arrested at a higher percentage with contraband. In other words, the police were targeting blacks even though whites in their community were committing a higher percentage of crime (note the contraband hit rate showing blacks as a lower figure than whites).

Blacks are stopped disproportionately, which indicates a systematic and institutional policy on stops. Interestingly, the number of vehicle stops on interstates is closer to the population breakdowns, but street stops is disproportionately higher.

323 Bulworth  Aug 11, 2014 6:10:41am

re:
#306

Yeah, terrible all around, but unless some shockingly clear evidence comes to light to implicate Stewart, I’d hate to see him charged with criminal conduct. Apparently there’s a lot of this kind of thing at these races, bumping/crashes, drivers getting out of their cars to point and yell, followed by more macho bullsh$t fisticuffs. And this time it cost one of the drivers his life.

324 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Aug 11, 2014 6:11:54am

re: #319 Lidane

Resources once dedicated to preparation can instead fund better service.

Why do I doubt this is how things would go?

325 GunstarGreen  Aug 11, 2014 6:12:41am

So, I missed this whole thing this weekend.

I guess this makes it official: In the United States of America, in the year 2014, you can be summarily executed without trail for the crime of Walking While Black.

Land of the free, etc.

326 Lidane  Aug 11, 2014 6:16:49am

re: #324 Rev_Arthur_Belling

Why do I doubt this is how things would go?

It’s adorable how they think that a robot will magically replace people and that nothing will go wrong. All the money a restaurant normally spends will just poof into savings that they can reinvest in their business.

327 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 11, 2014 6:18:58am

re: #326 Lidane

It’s adorable how they think that a robot will magically replace people and that nothing will go wrong. All the money a restaurant normally spends will just poof into savings that they can reinvest in their business.

They really believe that once you install a machine to replace those worthless, lazy minimum wage workers, that it will never break down or require regular maintenance.

328 Lidane  Aug 11, 2014 6:19:13am

I can’t watch this now because work filters, but the description sounds awesome:

Sarah Silverman and John Oliver hammer payday loan industry ‘motherf*ckers’

“Hi, I’m Sarah Silverman. If you’re considering taking out a payday loan, I’d like to tell you about a great alternative,” she advised. “It’s called ‘anything else.’ The way it works is, instead of taking out a payday loan you literally do anything else.”

Silverman suggested selling sperm or blood, or throwing yourself in front of a “rich guys’s car”: “He’ll throw money at the problem, just to make that shit go away.”

Silverman also had advice for old people, telling them to just take things because they won’t be sent to jail, “Go to the grocery store right now, fill up a cart with everything you need and walk the f*ck out of there.”

“The point is, no decision in your life will be worse than dealing with these payday loan motherf*ckers,” Silverman concluded. “They’re motherf*ckers, they’re f*ckers of mothers. So, if you’re thinking of getting a payday loan, just simply pick up the phone, and then put it down again and do literally anything else.”

329 lawhawk  Aug 11, 2014 6:20:37am

re: #327 Pie-onist Overlord

Don’t they know that Charlie Bucket’s dad lost his job at the toothpaste factory to a robot, but later got a job repairing that robot?

330 iceweasel  Aug 11, 2014 6:22:09am

re: #328 Lidane

Favourited. :-)

331 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 11, 2014 6:22:13am

I cringe with embarrassment every time I hear Sarah Silverman. She is so pathetically NOT FUNNY.

Her “You’re all gonna die!” song at the Alzheimer’s patients, and her N-word routine, were horrifically cringe-inducing.

She needs to retire.

332 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Aug 11, 2014 6:22:21am

re: #329 lawhawk

There is the famous anecdote of the GM manager showing a union boss the new fully automated assembly line and boasting “Not a single one of those robots is a union member”.

To which the union boss replied, “And not one of them is a GM customer, either!”

333 lawhawk  Aug 11, 2014 6:24:42am
334 Botsplainer  Aug 11, 2014 6:25:51am

If there were just somebody who was just and true and pure of heart with an independently funded journalistic platform and a deep connection to a worldwide hacktivist network of people devoted to exposing the truth, the identity of the police perpetrator, his disciplinary file and all the internal correspondence would be divulged. The sunlight would be disinfecting.

It’s a shame something like that fails to exist.

335 Dr Lizardo  Aug 11, 2014 6:28:23am

Meanwhile in Baghdad, it sounds like the National Shi’ite Alliance has ostensibly thrown down the gauntlet to al-Maliki.

The head of Iraq’s National Shiite Alliance says it has chosen an alternate nominee for prime minister instead of incumbent Nouri al-Maliki.

Ibrahim al-Jaafari said Monday in a statement that the alliance of Shiite political parties has agreed to nominate Haider al-Ibadi to replace al-Maliki and to form a new government to unify the country against the growing threat of radical militants.

apnews.excite.com

Your move, Maliki.

336 iceweasel  Aug 11, 2014 6:29:04am

re: #331 Pie-onist Overlord

We think Sarah Silverman is hilarious.

337 Lidane  Aug 11, 2014 6:29:05am

Quick! Someone tell me again how the GOP are the responsible adult party:

State lawmaker: Militias ‘have the right’ to be on the Texas border

Republican state Rep. Doug Miller, who toured the Rio Grande Valley on Monday with state police, said groups acting as militias on the border “have a right to be there” and “are not currently a problem.”

Miller, a three-term state representative of New Braunfels, said he discussed the militias, which have drawn sharp criticism from Democrats, with Texas Department of Public Safety officers. Miller, as Gov. Rick Perry did last month, rode in a DPS gun boat and on a helicopter near McAllen as part of an “informational trip” to observe the “cartel’s system to get people and drugs across the border.”

Miller said the militias “are private citizens and they have a right to be there and a right to bear arms if they have permission of the land owner.”

I wonder if he’ll feel the same way as soon as some militia asshole in the Rio Grande Valley kills an American that they think might be illegal.

Who am I kidding? That person will be called a lone wolf and dismissed, even if they’d been an active, enthusiastic member of a militia up to that point. Silly me.

338 Feline Fearless Leader  Aug 11, 2014 6:30:54am

re: #282 FemNaziBitch

i think that already happened in the D.C. area a few years ago.

Beltway Sniper wasn’t shooting policemen though.

In any case having more innocents shot is not the solution. Or even the beginning of a solution.

339 Bulworth  Aug 11, 2014 6:33:02am

re:
#327

#DontHire

What makes someone wake up on Monday morning and decide that his or her efforts need to be directed to saving the McDonalds and Walmart’s of the world from the horrors of paying a living wage?

On second thought, I’d rather not know.

340 Lidane  Aug 11, 2014 6:36:22am

re: #331 Pie-onist Overlord

I haven’t watched much of her stuff so I don’t know her all that well. I did like her in Wreck-it Ralph, though.

341 Lidane  Aug 11, 2014 6:40:01am

If you thought David Gregory was a shit host, just wait for NBC’s next move:

Politico: Chuck Todd Will Probably Be The Next ‘Meet The Press’ Host

Whee!

342 GunstarGreen  Aug 11, 2014 6:46:00am

re: #339 Bulworth

re:
#327

#DontHire

What makes someone wake up on Monday morning and decide that his or her efforts need to be directed to saving the McDonalds and Walmart’s of the world from the horrors of paying a living wage?

On second thought, I’d rather not know.

Hatred towards their fellow humans. Pure and simple. No ifs, ands, or buts. They don’t love McD’s or Wally World, they hate their fellow humans that happen to work there and want to see them suffer. They are sociopaths that delight in the misery of others that they consider to be “beneath them”.

343 Mattand  Aug 11, 2014 6:50:20am

re: #341 Lidane

If you thought David Gregory was a shit host, just wait for NBC’s next move:

Politico: Chuck Todd Will Probably Be The Next ‘Meet The Press’ Host

Whee!

“This will hold me over until I can land that sweet Fox News gig I’ve always wanted.”

344 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 11, 2014 6:54:52am
345 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 11, 2014 6:56:23am

Well, many of them were slaveowners and they didn’t like Native Americans so, yeah.

346 Mattand  Aug 11, 2014 6:56:43am

re: #331 Pie-onist Overlord

I cringe with embarrassment every time I hear Sarah Silverman. She is so pathetically NOT FUNNY.

Her “You’re all gonna die!” song at the Alzheimer’s patients, and her N-word routine, were horrifically cringe-inducing.

She needs to retire.

As always, the “Humor is subjective” rule is in effect, but I give Silverman a lot of credit. She’s definitely fighting an uphill battle with sexism in comedy.

I’m not accusing you of this, but a lot of Silverman’s act would be considered ‘edgy’ and ‘daring’ coming out of a guy’s mouth. That said, I don’t know if I’d be ragging on Alzheimer’s patients, but that’s me.

347 sagehen  Aug 11, 2014 6:58:18am

re: #340 Lidane

I haven’t watched much of her stuff so I don’t know her all that well. I did like her in Wreck-it Ralph, though.

She gets a lot of mileage out of the contrast between her sweet librarian looks/voice, and her cruder-than-Andrew-Dice-Clay content.

348 GunstarGreen  Aug 11, 2014 6:59:33am

re: #345 Pie-onist Overlord

Well, many of them were slaveowners and they didn’t like Native Americans so, yeah.

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The American Right has this curious fixation on white-washing American history and pretending that everything was just fine. The colonists owned slaves, and quite literally stole the land from the natives while calling them “savages” — this, after the natives saved their asses that first winter. Pretty classic definition of bigots.

349 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 11, 2014 6:59:34am

Here’s the Alzheimer’s routine:
Youtube Video
Here is the N-Word routine:
Youtube Video

Let me know if you laugh.

350 darthstar  Aug 11, 2014 7:01:41am

Mornin’ everyone…bad news for home schooled kids in Texas…you gotta be literate.

351 darthstar  Aug 11, 2014 7:02:00am

...

352 darthstar  Aug 11, 2014 7:03:22am

Oh really, LGF? You’re going to fuck with my tweet pasting now?

A Texas court ruled this month that parents who allegedly stopped homeschooling their kids because they believed Jesus Christ was returning to Earth were not exempt from state education regulations.

According to a ruling last week by the Texas Eighth District Court of Appeals, Michael McIntyre and Laura McIntyre removed their nine children from a private school in 2004 to homeschool them.

Michael McIntyre’s twin brother, Tracy, testified that the parents used empty space in a motorcycle dealership that he co-owned as a classroom. But Tracy said that he never saw the children reading books, using computers or doing arithmetic. Instead, the children were seen playing instruments and singing.

rawstory.com

353 darthstar  Aug 11, 2014 7:03:51am

I guess my tweet got raptured.

354 Mattand  Aug 11, 2014 7:05:58am

re: #315 nsmith25

I’m a Black Male high school teacher in Central KY, at a lily white private school. We start school tomorrow. I’m going to walk in a class with 25 innocent white faces, who have no clue about things like this.

One of the biggest lessons I’ve learned about myself over the years is how much having pink skin gives me a pass in life in general in the US.

355 Bulworth  Aug 11, 2014 7:06:19am

re:
#345

liberal libtards don’t believe in right or wrong; they believe in anything goes moral relativism hurr hurr

Textbook discusses slavery in America, how native American tribes were pushed off the land, continually forced to relocate

Hurr hurr why does liberals and schools hate America???

356 Mattand  Aug 11, 2014 7:08:32am

re: #349 Pie-onist Overlord

Here’s the Alzheimer’s routine:
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Let me know if you laugh.

Yeah, I don’t need to start my morning having it implied I’m a no-empathy racist.

357 Mike Lamb  Aug 11, 2014 7:10:21am

re: #327 Pie-onist Overlord

They really believe that once you install a machine to replace those worthless, lazy minimum wage workers, that it will never break down or require regular maintenance.

[Embedded content]

That is a terrible person. A robber baron’s wet dream.

358 Lidane  Aug 11, 2014 7:11:08am

Mr. SIX MOAR MONTHS WILL SOLVE EVERYTHING! is bleating again:

Thomas Friedman: U.S. clueless in Mideast

Fresh off his interview with President Barack Obama, Thomas Friedman on Monday said the U.S. is clueless when it comes to Middle East policy.
“If there’s anything we should have learned from Iraq … it’s that we don’t know what the hell we’re doing,” the New York Times columnist said on MSNBC.

No shit. That’s why invading Iraq unilaterally without a plan was a fucking stupid idea. Also, STFU.

359 Timothy Watson  Aug 11, 2014 7:12:11am

!@##$#%$#@!$!@$#!@

Someone remind me never to go on Facebook again.

360 Feline Fearless Leader  Aug 11, 2014 7:12:42am

re: #326 Lidane

It’s adorable how they think that a robot will magically replace people and that nothing will go wrong. All the money a restaurant normally spends will just poof into savings that they can reinvest in their business.

Or drive them bankrupt after poor maintenance leads to a food poisoning event that gets them closed by health inspectors and/or sued into oblivion.

(And I bet no one other than the people saying “no” to implementing the concept have run the numbers on legal defense costs. Though I expect that the big franchise chains probably have taken that into account and it is one reason they spend money training employees cleaning and food handling skills. And probably beyond the state and/or local requirements. Even Texas has some rules in that regard.)

361 Alyosha  Aug 11, 2014 7:16:45am

re: #349 Pie-onist Overlord

Sarah Silverman is the epitome of the comedian’s creed that, ‘if it exists, it can be turned into satire’. From my perspective, her act isn’t so much that she allows bad people to say terrible things and then claim that it was a ‘just a joke’ but that she actually throws a light on the terrible thing itself and illuminates the corners of an issue (say, abortion) which comedy brings out but which conversation sometimes skirts for the sake of politeness.

What I find really interesting is how easy it is to discern a terrible person from a comedian even though the ideas expressed in their bits can be identical. Irony is the most beautiful human medium for ideas. Not saying you have to like it, coz a lot of comedians suck by my watch but the laughter they arouse in their audience is still a little infectious.

362 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Aug 11, 2014 7:17:24am

re: #354 Mattand

One of the biggest lessons I’ve learned about myself over the years is how much having pink skin gives me a pass in life in general in the US.

Not so much a pass, but it does often help keep one out of trouble with certain people

363 HappyWarrior  Aug 11, 2014 7:22:35am

re: #345 Pie-onist Overlord

Well, many of them were slaveowners and they didn’t like Native Americans so, yeah.

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In other words, they’re taking issue with a textbook reporting actual history. Slavery and the treatment of the Native Americans are a huge part of our history. A shameful part but a huge part nonetheless.

364 Alyosha  Aug 11, 2014 7:22:49am

Also, laughter is a primordial response to danger or the alleviation of a threat. I tend to find most funny what others would consider out of bounds. I don’t consider myself comfortable with an idea until I’ve learned to lampoon it.

365 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 11, 2014 7:27:16am

What is this I just can’t even

366 Lidane  Aug 11, 2014 7:30:20am

re: #365 Pie-onist Overlord

What is this I just can’t even

Another child left behind in school.

367 Franklin Brewsevelt  Aug 11, 2014 7:31:01am
368 HappyWarrior  Aug 11, 2014 7:33:20am

re: #365 Pie-onist Overlord

What is this I just can’t even

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They love going with that one. The Great Society was worse than slavery and Jim Crow derp derpity because uh duh duh. Seriously, that shit is just pathetic. But what do I expect from people who idolize a man (Reagan) who pandered to the Dixiecrats for votes and support.

369 HappyWarrior  Aug 11, 2014 7:34:04am

re: #367 Franklin Brewsevelt

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Looks like Ethel is still having some fun in her old age. Reminds me of my grandmother at that age.

370 HappyWarrior  Aug 11, 2014 7:34:42am

Youmightbeaconservative if you think the Great Society and New Deal were worse for blacks than Jim Crow and slavery.

371 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 11, 2014 7:34:57am

re: #368 HappyWarrior

They love going with that one. The Great Society was worse than slavery and Jim Crow derp derpity because uh duh duh. Seriously, that shit is just pathetic. But what do I expect from people who idolize a man (Reagan) who pandered to the Dixiecrats for votes and support.

372 NJDhockeyfan  Aug 11, 2014 7:35:41am
373 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 11, 2014 7:35:57am

*FLIPS DESK*

374 gwangung  Aug 11, 2014 7:36:14am

re: #368 HappyWarrior

They love going with that one. The Great Society was worse than slavery and Jim Crow derp derpity because uh duh duh. Seriously, that shit is just pathetic. But what do I expect from people who idolize a man (Reagan) who pandered to the Dixiecrats for votes and support.

Given that the level of black poverty was at its lowest during the Great Society, yeah, that’s pretty pathetic.

375 HappyWarrior  Aug 11, 2014 7:36:59am

re: #373 Pie-onist Overlord

*FLIPS DESK*

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Shock claim, Jim Hoft wears a klan robe to bed.

376 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 11, 2014 7:37:08am

Those NPR “Tiny Desk” features gave me an idea. I can line up virtual “Tiny Desks” and flip them or set them on fire without damaging or running out of large desks.

377 Feline Fearless Leader  Aug 11, 2014 7:37:48am

re: #363 HappyWarrior

In other words, they’re taking issue with a textbook reporting actual history. Slavery and the treatment of the Native Americans are a huge part of our history. A shameful part but a huge part nonetheless.

I don’t really understand the mindset that seems to depend on refusing to admit that our country treated certain groups like crap in the past — maybe because then we shouldn’t treat them like crap in the present?

378 HappyWarrior  Aug 11, 2014 7:38:24am

re: #374 gwangung

Given that the level of black poverty was at its lowest during the Great Society, yeah, that’s pretty pathetic.

They like to claim shit like it (the Great Society) caused people to be dependent on the government whatever that shit means and you know that’s somehow worse than a culture of white supremacy that slavery and Jim Crow fostered where black people had to live in fear daily of violence against them if they upset a white person.

379 Feline Fearless Leader  Aug 11, 2014 7:39:09am

re: #376 Pie-onist Overlord

Those NPR “Tiny Desk” features gave me an idea. I can line up virtual “Tiny Desks” and flip them or set them on fire without damaging or running out of large desks.

That’s gives you a goal on finding the “world’s tinest flaming desk - flipped just for you!”

;)

380 Timothy Watson  Aug 11, 2014 7:39:33am

re: #373 Pie-onist Overlord

*FLIPS DESK*

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Wow, a guy that writes partisan bullshit for Newsmax claims bullshit, bullshit and the wingnuts eat it up.

381 Lidane  Aug 11, 2014 7:39:54am

re: #368 HappyWarrior

They love going with that one. The Great Society was worse than slavery and Jim Crow derp derpity because uh duh duh. Seriously, that shit is just pathetic. But what do I expect from people who idolize a man (Reagan) who pandered to the Dixiecrats for votes and support.

What’s worse is that they don’t even idolize Reagan. They idolize St. Ronaldus of Reagan, Zombie Ninja Warrior and Capitalist Slayer of Democrats. Their idea of Reagan and the real man are so far apart that they might as well be in different universes.

382 Mattand  Aug 11, 2014 7:40:12am

re: #377 Feline Fearless Leader

I don’t really understand the mindset that seems to depend on refusing to admit that our country treated certain groups like crap in the past — maybe because then we shouldn’t treat them like crap in the present?

In my little corner of the US, a lot of it boils down to “I never owned a slave, so therefore you people need to STFU about racism.”

383 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 11, 2014 7:40:18am

James O’Keefe has a new BOMBSHELL video out at Twitchy.

Apparently he filmed himself going across the border disguised as Osama Bin Laden.

I did not watch this video so I can’t tell you if he tried to make the trip stashed in a casket or a body bag.

384 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Aug 11, 2014 7:40:49am
385 Timothy Watson  Aug 11, 2014 7:41:15am

re: #373 Pie-onist Overlord

*FLIPS DESK*

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JEREMIAH WRIGHT!1!!!

In an article for Newsmax, on March 16, 2008, Kessler incorrectly reported, based on a previous Newsmax story by a freelance writer, that Senator Barack Obama attended a service at Chicago’s Trinity United Church of Christ on July 22, 2007, during which Rev. Jeremiah Wright gave a sermon that blamed world suffering on “white arrogance”.[33] The Obama campaign denied that Obama had attended the church on the day that sermon was delivered and other reporters discovered that Obama was in fact in transit to Miami, Florida on that day.[34] Newsmax posted a clarification while standing by the story, suggesting that perhaps the sermon occurred on a different day in July.[33] Shortly after the controversy broke, Kessler confirmed to TPM that he attempted to remove information documenting it from his Wikipedia biography.[35]

386 HappyWarrior  Aug 11, 2014 7:41:44am

re: #377 Feline Fearless Leader

I don’t really understand the mindset that seems to depend on refusing to admit that our country treated certain groups like crap in the past — maybe because then we shouldn’t treat them like crap in the present?

I think what it is this idea that America’s founders were saints and that questioning them and their actions is a form of heresy. We can’t discuss that Jefferson was a willing slave owner, we have to have the image of Jefferson the reluctant slaveholder. Frankly to me as a History BA, Jefferson’s words and his contradictory actions on slavery in his lifetime are equally important to history. That we would celebrate Jefferson’s words “That all men are created equally” yet have slavery persist well into the country’s first full century of existence and have laws based on white supremacist well into the next century. That’s history. Conservatives don’t like hearing that because they’re idolaters.

387 HappyWarrior  Aug 11, 2014 7:42:55am

re: #385 Timothy Watson

JEREMIAH WRIGHT!1!!!

So what’s old is new again. In otherwords desperation from the pathetically desperate.

388 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Aug 11, 2014 7:43:00am

re: #383 Pie-onist Overlord

One of those days he gonna get himself … well, in even more trouble.

389 Timothy Watson  Aug 11, 2014 7:43:02am

re: #384 Rev_Arthur_Belling

FTFY

Everything would have been okay if we had spent one more Friedman unit inside Iraq.

390 Bulworth  Aug 11, 2014 7:44:25am

re:
#385

fake but ackyourit!!!!

391 Feline Fearless Leader  Aug 11, 2014 7:44:43am

re: #386 HappyWarrior

I think what it is this idea that America’s founders were saints and that questioning them and their actions is a form of heresy. We can’t discuss that Jefferson was a willing slave owner, we have to have the image of Jefferson the reluctant slaveholder. Frankly to me as a History BA, Jefferson’s words and his contradictory actions on slavery in his lifetime are equally important to history. That we would celebrate Jefferson’s words “That all men are created equally” yet have slavery persist well into the country’s first full century of existence and have laws based on white supremacist well into the next century. That’s history. Conservatives don’t like hearing that because they’re idolaters.

Might be a follow-on in that a major defense made by conservatives is based on tradition and “we always did it that way”. Which, given our history of abuse going back to the founders, clashes with our famous exceptionalism in holding the higher ground in terms of moral behavior and “all men are created equal” being enshrined in our founding documents.

392 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 11, 2014 7:44:45am

Welp, here is the O’Keefe video
Youtube Video

393 Bulworth  Aug 11, 2014 7:46:07am

re:
#383

Gee, I really hope he doesn’t get captured by the Mexican police or locked up in an ICE facility for an extended period of time.

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394 Timothy Watson  Aug 11, 2014 7:47:19am

re: #392 Pie-onist Overlord

Welp, here is the O’Keefe video
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He is aware that he just committed a crime by not entering through an approved checkpoint…right?

395 Lidane  Aug 11, 2014 7:47:47am

re: #382 Mattand

In my little corner of the US, a lot of it boils down to “I never owned a slave, so therefore you people need to STFU about racism.”

You must be in the South. I heard that a lot back in Houston. “Ah don’t know why blacks can’t just get over it. I didn’t own slaves!” was the standard bigot talking point explaining why talking about race = race baiting = being a Bad American, because we need to just get over things now that the Civil and Voting Rights Acts exist.

396 b.d.  Aug 11, 2014 7:48:11am

re: #383 Pie-onist Overlord

James O’Keefe has a new BOMBSHELL video out at Twitchy.

Apparently he filmed himself going across the border disguised as Osama Bin Laden.

I did not watch this video so I can’t tell you if he tried to make the trip stashed in a casket or a body bag.

Then O’Keefe just broke another federal law, documented and bragged about it. Isn’t he already on some kind of probation?

397 Romantic Heretic  Aug 11, 2014 7:48:28am

re: #319 Lidane

Not this shit again:

BURGER ROBOT POISED TO DISRUPT FAST FOOD INDUSTRY

What savings? They conveniently forget the part where you’d have to have people on hand to clean and disinfect said robot during a shift so people don’t die of food-borne illness and also someone else on hand to maintain the damned thing.

That $135,000/yr on line cooks could easily double in maintenance costs.

Yeah, but machines don’t get uppity.

Back when I was a computer programmer I quickly realized that most companies were acquiring computer systems because they thought that the computers would replace the employees. They were ‘thinking machines’ in the minds of these idiots.

So the computers would do the job faster, better, never talk back and let the company keep even more of its money.

They were always very disappointed, and very angry with me, when I disabused them of that notion. Christ alone knows how many times I got called on the carpet for my ‘lack of customer interaction skills.’ Meaning “Will you stop telling the customers the truth!”

398 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 11, 2014 7:49:02am

re: #394 Timothy Watson

He is aware that he just committed a crime by not entering through an approved checkpoint…right?

So, now is he going to demand “FREE STUFF” as a refugee?

399 Feline Fearless Leader  Aug 11, 2014 7:49:16am

re: #392 Pie-onist Overlord

Welp, here is the O’Keefe video
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I do wonder how many young jackasses think something along those lines. “Hey, let’s dress up as ##### and go across the border!”

Possibly substitute any other location that does security screenings for “border”. Just pot-stirring and juvenile behavior. Though in O’Keefe’s position it’s a win-win. Either he gets hassled simply for dressing a certain way, or he “proves” that the border guards are not properly checking. Garbage in any case.

Aside: The 1942 version of “To Be Or Not To Be” was on TCM last night. In the openly few minutes an actor is standing on the streets of Warsaw dressed as Hitler during late August in 1939. With a crowd of shocked people staring at him.

400 makeitstop  Aug 11, 2014 7:49:51am

re: #392 Pie-onist Overlord

Welp, here is the O’Keefe video
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It is a testament to the utter stupidity of a lot of people with money that someone actually pays him to produce crap like that.

401 HappyWarrior  Aug 11, 2014 7:50:01am

re: #395 Lidane

You must be in the South. I heard that a lot back in Houston. “Ah don’t know why blacks can’t just get over it. I didn’t own slaves!” was the standard bigot talking point explaining why talking about race = race baiting = being a Bad American, because we need to just get over things now that the Civil and Voting Rights Acts exist.

He’s in Jersey IIRC. I’ve heard that one countless times. It’s just so stupid. No, asshole, you didn’t own a slave and maybe your ancestors didn’t either but slavery did create a culture where blacks were regarded as second class citizens or if you want to be really accurate weren’t even treated like human beings in many parts of the country. Too many whites especially white conservatives refuse to admit this because they think their “victimhood” i.e. the fact they can’t deal with who is POTUS is somehow worse than that.

402 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 11, 2014 7:51:04am

re: #400 makeitstop

It is a testament to the utter stupidity of a lot of people with money that someone actually pays him to produce crap like that.

After Pierre gave GG $250 mil which GG is whooping it up with instead of creating a media empire like he was supposed to, nothing anybody else does with money can surprise me any more.

403 Feline Fearless Leader  Aug 11, 2014 7:51:47am

re: #401 HappyWarrior

He’s in Jersey IIRC. I’ve heard that one countless times. It’s just so stupid. No, asshole, you didn’t own a slave and maybe your ancestors didn’t either but slavery did create a culture where blacks were regarded as second class citizens or if you want to be really accurate weren’t even treated like human beings in many parts of the country. Too many whites especially white conservatives refuse to admit this because they think their “victimhood” i.e. the fact they can’t deal with who is POTUS is somehow worse than that.

Complicating things is that in a lot of places the “class war” and “race war” groups are pretty congruent. Which works out quite well for those who want the latter talked about more than the former.

405 Mattand  Aug 11, 2014 7:53:53am

re: #395 Lidane

You must be in the South. I heard that a lot back in Houston. “Ah don’t know why blacks can’t just get over it. I didn’t own slaves!” was the standard bigot talking point explaining why talking about race = race baiting = being a Bad American, because we need to just get over things now that the Civil and Voting Rights Acts exist.

LOL, does “Southern NJ” count as “South”?

Much of my family generates from a blue collar town that was a major landing pad for 50’s era Philly white flight families. The people who were already there were, shall we say, ‘distrustful’ of certain types of people.

Let’s put it this way: MLK, Jr. had a gun pulled on him and his traveling companions when they stopped for a beer there in 50’s.

406 HappyWarrior  Aug 11, 2014 7:55:39am

re: #404 Pie-onist Overlord

*LIGHTS TINY DESK ON FIRE*

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I’d like to see Huckabee’s kindergarten transcripts.

407 Feline Fearless Leader  Aug 11, 2014 7:56:06am

re: #395 Lidane

You must be in the South. I heard that a lot back in Houston. “Ah don’t know why blacks can’t just get over it. I didn’t own slaves!” was the standard bigot talking point explaining why talking about race = race baiting = being a Bad American, because we need to just get over things now that the Civil and Voting Rights Acts exist.

Nope. That attitude is pretty widespread in places well beyond the South. I’ve heard it in multiple places in Pennsylvania, New Jersey, New York, Colorado, and a few other states north of the Mason-Dixon Line.

408 Timothy Watson  Aug 11, 2014 7:57:03am

re: #404 Pie-onist Overlord

*LIGHTS TINY DESK ON FIRE*

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I can’t find a legit source for that quote from the Huckster, just a bunch of wingnut websites.

409 Lidane  Aug 11, 2014 7:58:25am

Oh look. Tom Tancredo is being his usual calm, rational self:

If we go down the road of “not now but maybe later” when Obama is arrogantly daring us by openly engaging in clearly unconstitutional acts, when will it ever by “smart politics” to threaten impeachment against unconstitutional acts by any future president? Impeachment will always be “off the table.”

There is an additional reason we must call Obama’s bluff on impeachment. The time is now, not later, to accept the challenge presented by the threat to “energize the Democratic base.” Are we really that afraid that the Democrat base can be rallied in support of blatantly unconstitutional acts but that the Republican base cannot be motivated and energized to respond in kind? Are we really that afraid to challenge presumptuous dictatorial behavior? If so, then the war is already lost and we should all stock our ammunition shelves and join a militia.

410 Lidane  Aug 11, 2014 7:59:20am

re: #407 Feline Fearless Leader

Nope. That attitude is pretty widespread in places well beyond the South. I’ve heard it in multiple places in Pennsylvania, New Jersey, New York, Colorado, and a few other states north of the Mason-Dixon Line.

Having only lived in Texas, the South is my frame of reference. I sometimes forget that bigots are all over the damn place. Heh.

411 Romantic Heretic  Aug 11, 2014 7:59:40am

re: #354 Mattand

One of the biggest lessons I’ve learned about myself over the years is how much having pink skin gives me a pass in life in general in the US.

Straight white Male: Lowest Difficulty Setting in the game of life.

412 Targetpractice  Aug 11, 2014 8:01:24am

re: #411 Romantic Heretic

Straight white Male: Lowest Difficulty Setting in the game of life.

Well, to the balance it out, I took the “Fluffy,” “Geek” and “Low Self Esteem” traits to balance it out.

413 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 11, 2014 8:01:31am
414 FemNaziBitch  Aug 11, 2014 8:02:49am

How is it now?

415 GunstarGreen  Aug 11, 2014 8:03:19am

re: #409 Lidane

Please proceed, Tom. It’ll turn out about as well as all that BENGHAZI!!1!!11!!111!!11 investi-ma-gatin’ you folks did — remember how that turned out? How you don’t talk about it anymore because it turned out you were all completely full of horse shit?

416 HappyWarrior  Aug 11, 2014 8:05:09am

re: #413 Pie-onist Overlord

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O’Keefe sure loves to play dress up.

417 Feline Fearless Leader  Aug 11, 2014 8:06:03am

re: #410 Lidane

Having only lived in Texas, the South is my frame of reference. I sometimes forget that bigots are all over the damn place. Heh.

It seems to be particularly common in places where there are (were) few blacks living. Therefore, the locals had little exposure to dealing with that particular ethnic group and were ignorant of the associated issues. Therefore, media discussion of the issues triggered disinterest, or possibly dislike due to economic effects; e.g. “where are our taxes going!”

I’d say it was more prevalent in rural locations in those states which still had relatively stable populations without a lot of post-1900 immigrants.

Things were a little different in northern NY state since there was a sizable Native American population nearby and there were some tensions now and then over various issues.

418 Timothy Watson  Aug 11, 2014 8:07:29am

Drats, O’Keefe’s probation term is probably already finished.

I was hoping he would be arrested for a probation violation so the RWNJs could blame Obama/Holder. :(

419 HappyWarrior  Aug 11, 2014 8:08:06am

You know, it was a great point made here earlier in the summer that people never really cared too much about government services until 60’s liberals thought “Gee maybe those services should also go to racial minorities too” And that’s when the right decided to play up the “small government” crap that they’ve been riding on the backs of deluded white conservatives who think their success is due to them and them only.

420 Lidane  Aug 11, 2014 8:08:22am

Larry Klayman, librul Democrat plant:

The situation has reached an intolerable point, and it is time to either impeach Obama or find some other legal means to rid the nation of his treasonous and harmful ways. It is one thing to stop Israel from eliminating Hamas on the basis that the Jewish state correctly waged war by not becoming fixated on casualties among those Muslims the terrorist group uses as human shields to do their bidding, but it’s quite another thing to sacrifice our own for Obama’s Muslim sympathies. After all, it was these Muslim civilians who voted Hamas into power in Gaza. They must now bear the consequences, as we Americans must bear the consequences for voting the Mullah in Chief into power in our nation.

421 HappyWarrior  Aug 11, 2014 8:10:05am

re: #420 Lidane

Larry Klayman, librul Democrat plant:

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You know Larry if you wanted to get rid of Obama, you could have nominated a candidate half way likable and halfway competent, instead you chose the most unlikable dickhead ever who was also an incompetent idiot. Obama is president, deal with it. You can’t impeach him because his policies make you have a sadgasm.

422 Feline Fearless Leader  Aug 11, 2014 8:11:08am

re: #421 HappyWarrior

You know Larry if you wanted to get rid of Obama, you could have nominated a candidate half way likable and halfway competent, instead you chose the most unlikable dickhead ever who was also an incompetent idiot. Obama is president, deal with it. You can’t impeach him because his policies make you have a sadgasm.

Is this going to trigger a “My wingnut is sad” meme on Twitter?
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423 HappyWarrior  Aug 11, 2014 8:12:15am

re: #422 Feline Fearless Leader

Is this going to trigger a “My wingnut is sad” meme on Twitter?
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Considering I do not tweet, haven’t a clue.

424 GunstarGreen  Aug 11, 2014 8:13:12am

re: #420 Lidane

Larry Klayman, librul Democrat plant:

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This sort of thing is why I stress the importance (somteimes to great downdings) that we must not ever allow people like Hitler (or any Nazi, really) to degrade to the level of mythical demons in our minds. Trying to erase people like that from history causes us to forget the crucial lesson that they teach: that this sort of evil is human, not demonic. Here you have an American, in the year 2014, essentially saying that we shouldn’t care about civilian lives because they happen to be “dirty muslims”, and that we have a problem with Obama’s “muslim sympathies”.

Replace “muslim” with “jew” and the results are chilling.

425 HappyWarrior  Aug 11, 2014 8:15:27am

re: #424 GunstarGreen

This sort of thing is why I stress the importance (somteimes to great downdings) that we must not ever allow people like Hitler (or any Nazi, really) to degrade to the level of mythical demons in our minds. Trying to erase people like that from history causes us to forget the crucial lesson that they teach: that this sort of evil is human, not demonic. Here you have an American, in the year 2014, essentially saying that we shouldn’t care about civilian lives because they happen to be “dirty muslims”, and that we have a problem with Obama’s “muslim sympathies”.

Replace “muslim” with “jew” and the results are chilling.

They think it’s okay to have that kind of mindset regarding Muslims. I won’t downding you at all over this. In fact, it’s a great point. If you replace “Muslim” with “Jew” the rhetoric that people like Klayman, Geller, and countless others on the right have towards Muslims is no different from the rhetoric espoused to Jews by the Nazis in their rise to power.

426 Romantic Heretic  Aug 11, 2014 8:15:40am

re: #377 Feline Fearless Leader

I don’t really understand the mindset that seems to depend on refusing to admit that our country treated certain groups like crap in the past — maybe because then we shouldn’t treat them like crap in the present?

It’s because most nations, and most of the people in those nations, do not have have history. They have mythology. That mythology is, “Ours is the greatest thing evah! We’ve done nothing but good things!”

So they hate history because it interferes with the mythology.

427 HappyWarrior  Aug 11, 2014 8:17:38am

Meanwhile I have to read on FB the rants of my so called liberal cousin who thinks nuking the ME is a good idea. He’s no rightist btw. Hates the GOP and wishes the same violence on them that he does Muslims and is decidedly left on domestics but his anti-Muslim bigotry and his wishes of violence on people who disagree with him make me ill.

428 HappyWarrior  Aug 11, 2014 8:20:12am

re: #426 Romantic Heretic

It’s because most nations, and most of the people in those nations, do not have have history. They have mythology. That mythology is, “Ours is the greatest thing evah! We’ve done nothing but good things!”

So they hate history because it interferes with the mythology.

Shining city on a hill versus the society that permitted slavery for 89 years after the Declaration was signed and permitted legal Jim Crow for another century after that. You’re right. The actual history gets in the way of beating our chests and saying America fuck yeah. I love my country but we have to talk about the less pleasant parts of our history to get better as a nation. Conservatives of course cry whenever you mention those unpleasant parts much like they do everywhere you do that- whether that’s here in the US or in Japan where Japan’s actions during WWII being discussed in a negative context infuriate Japanese ultra right wing nationalists.

429 Eventual Carrion  Aug 11, 2014 8:22:48am

re: #355 Bulworth

re:
#345

liberal libtards don’t believe in right or wrong; they believe in anything goes moral relativism hurr hurr

Textbook discusses slavery in America, how native American tribes were pushed off the land, continually forced to relocate

Hurr hurr why does liberals and schools hate America???

Because the raw truth hurts. So it is easier to hide your head in the sand so all the bad people telling the truth go away.

430 Bulworth  Aug 11, 2014 8:24:02am

re:
#420

The situation has reached an intolerable point

Sorry, no, a twice elected president directing policies you don’t happen to like does not equate to “an intolerable point” and doesn’t necessitate impeachment or secession or a military coup.

431 Lidane  Aug 11, 2014 8:32:53am

I’M JUST ASKING QUESTIONS!

A few weeks ago, “Coach” Dave Daubenmire penned a long column complaining that he regularly gets ridiculed for espousing conspiracy theories when what he is doing is just asking questions like “WHAT IF the President really did provide a fake birth certificate?” and “WHAT IF the FEMA camps were real and operational?”

Now Daubenmire has turned that column into video, saying that he is just fulfilling his patriotic duty by wondering “WHAT IF” terrorists did not bring down the buildings on 9/11 and “WHAT IF” there really is a plot to “homosexualize America” and “WHAT IF” Andrew Breitbart really was murdered and “WHAT IF” there really is a plan to create a One World Government?

432 Lidane  Aug 11, 2014 8:34:11am

re: #430 Bulworth

re:
#420

Sorry, no, a twice elected president directing policies you don’t happen to like does not equate to “an intolerable point” and doesn’t necessitate impeachment or secession or a military coup.

Shorter Klansman Klayman: “It’s called The White House for a reason!”

433 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Aug 11, 2014 8:38:27am

re: #428 HappyWarrior

It does also seriously foul up the premises of American Exceptionalism and our special relationship with The Lord, etc.

434 HappyWarrior  Aug 11, 2014 8:39:40am

re: #433 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

It does also seriously foul up the premises of American Exceptionalism and our special relationship with The Lord, etc.

It’s a mindset as I said not really all that different from the mindset in Japan that refuses to admit the sex slaves, piss poor treatment of POWs, etc by the Japanese empire.

435 danarchy  Aug 11, 2014 8:40:07am

re: #431 Lidane

OT - But can anyone else believe the History channel gave Giorgio his own show? I mean the history channel hasn’t really been about history for a long time, but really?

436 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Aug 11, 2014 8:40:09am

This shit has got to stop.

437 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Aug 11, 2014 8:42:23am

re: #428 HappyWarrior

Shining city on a hill versus the society that permitted slavery for 89 years after the Declaration was signed and permitted legal Jim Crow for another century after that. You’re right. The actual history gets in the way of beating our chests and saying America fuck yeah. I love my country but we have to talk about the less pleasant parts of our history to get better as a nation. Conservatives of course cry whenever you mention those unpleasant parts much like they do everywhere you do that- whether that’s here in the US or in Japan where Japan’s actions during WWII being discussed in a negative context infuriate Japanese ultra right wing nationalists.

438 HappyWarrior  Aug 11, 2014 8:45:48am

re: #437 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

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Yeah Mitt’s title pretty much says it all. “We’re America, we can do no wrong and if we do wrong, we don’t need to apologize.” It’s an arrogance is what it is and it is what makes some people dislike America and Americans.

439 freetoken  Aug 11, 2014 8:46:59am

re: #435 danarchy

OT - But can anyone else believe the History channel gave Giorgio his own show? I mean the history channel hasn’t really been about history for a long time, but really?

Is Giorgio doing an Aliens’ Music show for them?

440 Lidane  Aug 11, 2014 8:48:17am

Hey Charles — you might wanna have some Advil handy today:

Conservative Journalist: I’ve Been Subpoenaed By A Mississippi Grand Jury

Conservative journalist Charles Johnson, as he has so often over the past month, used his Twitter account on Sunday to reveal the latest development in the allegations of vote-buying down in Mississippi.

Once again, the development involved himself. Johnson posted a photo showing a subpoena he’d received to appear before a grand jury. The tweet also appeared to defy explicit instructions that the subpoena should not be disclosed.

“You are not to disclose the existence of this subpoena,” read the document from the Lauderdale County, Miss. Circuit Court. “Any such disclosure could impede the investigation being conducted and thereby interfere with the enforcement of the law.”

441 Dr Lizardo  Aug 11, 2014 8:48:39am

re: #434 HappyWarrior

It’s a mindset as I said not really all that different from the mindset in Japan that refuses to admit the sex slaves, piss poor treatment of POWs, etc by the Japanese empire.

Or modern-day Turkey and its denial of the Armenian Genocide.

They gloss it over by calling it the “1915 Events”.

442 Varek Raith  Aug 11, 2014 8:49:39am

re: #341 Lidane

If you thought David Gregory was a shit host, just wait for NBC’s next move:

Politico: Chuck Todd Will Probably Be The Next ‘Meet The Press’ Host

Whee!

Lololololol.

443 HappyWarrior  Aug 11, 2014 8:50:50am

re: #441 Dr Lizardo

Or modern-day Turkey and its denial of the Armenian Genocide.

They gloss it over by calling it the “1915 Events”.

Right, so many other examples that when we look at them from afar we just stand amazed that they would ignore something like that. But when its our own history, we’ve got a lot of people who act the same way that element of the Turkish do the genocide or the Japanese do their actions in WWII.

444 Varek Raith  Aug 11, 2014 8:52:06am

Well, that made my morning.
Thanks, NBC!

445 HappyWarrior  Aug 11, 2014 8:59:29am

Does anyone know why my iTunes ripping speed would have slowed down dramatically? Makes no sense.

446 danarchy  Aug 11, 2014 9:01:26am

re: #445 HappyWarrior

Does anyone know why my iTunes ripping speed would have slowed down dramatically? Makes no sense.

Did you increase the sample rate or is there something else running in the background?

447 Feline Fearless Leader  Aug 11, 2014 9:03:13am

re: #443 HappyWarrior

Right, so many other examples that when we look at them from afar we just stand amazed that they would ignore something like that. But when its our own history, we’ve got a lot of people who act the same way that element of the Turkish do the genocide or the Japanese do their actions in WWII.

I’ve read enough to see that most cultures and ethnic groups appear to have a “we’re exceptional and special and destined to rule” thing going. It’s probably part of the mindset necessary to be successful as something larger than a tribal group.

Some of them are better at keeping it low-key though as compared to being loud and proud about it. Or at least only talking that way when they think no one outside the “in group” is listening or watching.

448 HappyWarrior  Aug 11, 2014 9:03:23am

re: #446 danarchy

Did you increase the sample rate or is there something else running in the background?

Not sure. Nothing’s running in the background that isn’t normally running though. How do I check the sample rate?

449 danarchy  Aug 11, 2014 9:10:15am

re: #448 HappyWarrior

Not sure. Nothing’s running in the background that isn’t normally running though. How do I check the sample rate?

macintoshhowto.com

This has a step by step with screen shots. If the sample rate is above 44.1Khz it is too high, the human ear will not be able to perceive any difference no matter what audiophiles tell you. All it will do is make your files larger and take longer to rip.

450 Kid A  Aug 11, 2014 9:10:50am

An n-clang tweet from @Acguiredtaste has been on Laura Ingraham’s twitter feed for over four hours. I won’t post it.

451 HappyWarrior  Aug 11, 2014 9:12:22am

re: #449 danarchy

macintoshhowto.com

This has a step by step with screen shots. If the sample rate is above 44.1Khz it is too high, the human ear will not be able to perceive any difference no matter what audiophiles tell you. All it will do is make your files larger and take longer to rip.

Alright, thanks. Okay, it’s up to 5.1. Nowhere close to where it was though.

452 HappyWarrior  Aug 11, 2014 9:12:40am

re: #450 Kid A

An n-clang tweet from @Acguiredtaste has been on Laura Ingraham’s twitter feed for over four hours. I won’t post it.

Laura Ingraham race baiting? No way.//

453 Lidane  Aug 11, 2014 9:13:17am

The FBI is taking over the Mike Brown case:

Police say the FBI is taking over the investigation of a suburban St. Louis police officer who fatally shot an unarmed teenager.

Ferguson Police Chief Tom Jackson tells The Associated Press that he was informed Monday that the FBI was going to take over the investigation into the death of 18-year-old Michael Brown. Jackson says he welcomes the move.

454 Dr. Matt  Aug 11, 2014 9:14:52am

Eggman Drudge placating the mouth-breathing caveman, aka the GOP:

455 HappyWarrior  Aug 11, 2014 9:17:07am

re: #454 Dr. Matt

Eggman Drudge placating the mouth-breathing caveman, aka the GOP:

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Stay classy GOP.

456 Dr. Matt  Aug 11, 2014 9:17:22am

re: #341 Lidane

If you thought David Gregory was a shit host, just wait for NBC’s next move:

Politico: Chuck Todd Will Probably Be The Next ‘Meet The Press’ Host

Chuck Todd owns 8 pairs of GOP knee-pads; one pair for each day of the week and extra pair when he appears with Dead Intern Joe.

457 HappyWarrior  Aug 11, 2014 9:17:37am

re: #453 Lidane

The FBI is taking over the Mike Brown case:

Going to infuriate the knuckledraggers even more. States rats!

458 Dr Lizardo  Aug 11, 2014 9:19:10am

re: #443 HappyWarrior

Right, so many other examples that when we look at them from afar we just stand amazed that they would ignore something like that. But when its our own history, we’ve got a lot of people who act the same way that element of the Turkish do the genocide or the Japanese do their actions in WWII.

A more recent example; the Indonesian Killings of 1965-1966 - the country has never really addressed that horrific episode. Even the death toll has never been really nailed down; I’ve read estimates that range from 500,000 to two million.

459 BeenHereAwhile  Aug 11, 2014 9:19:55am

re: #453 Lidane

The FBI is taking over the Mike Brown case:

Due to the usual blue line cover-up mentality of local LEOs, suspect some police folk are going to be charged with obstruction of justice.

Nothing quite complicates your life like a federal indictment.

460 Targetpractice  Aug 11, 2014 9:21:39am

re: #453 Lidane

The FBI is taking over the Mike Brown case:

And now the hatred will get cranked up.

461 Feline Fearless Leader  Aug 11, 2014 9:22:17am

re: #459 BeenHereAwhile

Due to the usual blue line cover-up mentality of local LEOs, suspect some police folk are going to be charged with obstruction of justice.

Nothing quite complicates your life like a federal indictment.

And someone is probably busy deleting emails and such off a server right now without understanding how change logs and backups work.
//

462 Dr. Matt  Aug 11, 2014 9:22:18am

re: #453 Lidane

The FBI is taking over the Mike Brown case:

Cue: The gummitt is race-baiting!!!!

463 Jay C  Aug 11, 2014 9:22:29am

re: #440 Lidane

Ummm, I know this may sound like an extraordinarily dumb question: but is this even legal? Are “secret” subpoenas permitted (outside of espionage cases and the like)? Can he “reveal the existence” of it to his lawyer?

464 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 11, 2014 9:25:58am

Momentum introduced their Amazing Automatic Burger MachineTM two years ago, you would think there’d be a model in production somewhere in the world, like in Japan, but in fact it IS NOT COST EFFECTIVE.

465 Timothy Watson  Aug 11, 2014 9:26:21am

re: #463 Jay C

Ummm, I know this may sound like an extraordinarily dumb question: but is this even legal? Are “secret” subpoenas permitted (outside of espionage cases and the like)? Can he “reveal the existence” of it to his lawyer?

That language is weird but different states have some weird rules, but that’s the first I’ve ever heard of something like that.

466 Targetpractice  Aug 11, 2014 9:26:40am

re: #461 Feline Fearless Leader

And someone is probably busy deleting emails and such off a server right now without understanding how change logs and backups work.
//

I imagine a lot of discussion is going on now about whether or not to throw this cop to the Feds in order to prevent the investigation going any deeper than this shooting.

467 Bulworth  Aug 11, 2014 9:26:44am

re:
#453

Hurr hurr impeach Obummer and Holder!!!11

I wonder what the informed commentariat at Free Republic is right about now………

468 Teukka  Aug 11, 2014 9:29:18am

re: #463 Jay C

Ummm, I know this may sound like an extraordinarily dumb question: but is this even legal? Are “secret” subpoenas permitted (outside of espionage cases and the like)? Can he “reveal the existence” of it to his lawyer?

I could see one way such a subpoena could be legal, which is if it during the preliminary investigation has emerged evidence of involvement an intelligence service of a foreign nation in the shenanigans in MI.
And if I remember correctly, you can reveal its existence to your lawyer, but your lawyer is then covered by the subpoena secrecy as well.
Also, is if you reveal the existence of a secret subpoena, isn’t it that contempt of court or something?

469 Targetpractice  Aug 11, 2014 9:29:25am

re: #464 Pie-onist Overlord

Momentum introduced their Amazing Automatic Burger MachineTM two years ago, you would think there’d be a model in production somewhere in the world, like in Japan, but in fact it IS NOT COST EFFECTIVE.

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Yeah, but in their fantasy world, the only reason those machines aren’t being widely used is because wages are low enough to make humans cost effective. And that if wages go up even a fraction of a percent, then that line will be crossed and these machines will be quickly adopted.

The reality is that, if such work is going to be mechanized, it’s a matter of “when” and not “if.” The company that is right now paying slave wages and still bitching about sales is not going to pass up the opportunity the day these machines become cheaper than humans to grab them up.

470 Timothy Watson  Aug 11, 2014 9:31:24am

re: #468 Teukka

I could see one way such a subpoena could be legal, which is if it during the preliminary investigation has emerged evidence of involvement an intelligence service of a foreign nation in the shenanigans in MI.
And if I remember correctly, you can reveal its existence to your lawyer, but your lawyer is then covered by the subpoena secrecy as well.
Also, is if you reveal the existence of a secret subpoena, isn’t it that contempt of court or something?

I don’t think it would be contempt of court because the subpoena was signed by the Clerk of the Circuit Court, not a judge.

Where’s lawhawk when you need him?

471 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Aug 11, 2014 9:31:31am

re: #469 Targetpractice

Yeah, but in their fantasy world, the only reason those machines aren’t being widely used is because wages are low enough to make humans cost effective.

And the whole concept of employees also being customers is not part of this ideology.

472 BeenHereAwhile  Aug 11, 2014 9:32:17am

re: #466 Targetpractice

I imagine a lot of discussion is going on now about whether or not to throw this cop to the Feds in order to prevent the investigation going any deeper than this shooting.

Suspect the sanitized police “after action” and subject-victim reports have already been carefully written, and approved by PD supervisors

473 Targetpractice  Aug 11, 2014 9:32:58am

re: #471 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

And the whole concept of employees also being customers is not part of this ideology.

Of course not. It’s a zero-sum game to them: Employer pays employee, and that’s it. None of the employee’s pay goes back to the company, it goes everywhere but the company. Thus paying them more is not a good business decision because it’s just “money walking out the door.”

474 Lidane  Aug 11, 2014 9:32:58am

re: #464 Pie-onist Overlord

But it can save a fast food restaurant $135,000 a year and replace all those unskilled minimum wage workers! How can this be?

475 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 11, 2014 9:33:22am

re: #469 Targetpractice

Yeah, but in their fantasy world, the only reason those machines aren’t being widely used is because wages are low enough to make humans cost effective. And that if wages go up even a fraction of a percent, then that line will be crossed and these machines will be quickly adopted.

The reality is that, if such work is going to be mechanized, it’s a matter of “when” and not “if.” The company that is right now paying slave wages and still bitching about sales is not going to pass up the opportunity the day these machines become cheaper than humans to grab them up.

There is a law of diminishing returns attached to the use of this technology. If the whole point of it is just to get rid of those lazy, worthless, unskilled, bottom-tier miminum wage workers, the entrepreneur will soon find out that true, the machine doesn’t ask for a raise or call in sick or show up late But it requires maintenance from a technician (who earns more than min wage) and if it breaks down of malfunctions, it requires service from a specialist who make A LOT MORE than minimum wage.

476 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 11, 2014 9:34:35am

re: #474 Lidane

But it can save a fast food restaurant $135,000 a year and replace all those unskilled minimum wage workers! How can this be?

I think those are numbers they just pulled out of their ass. Momentum introduced this technology 2 years ago and still haven’t rolled it out to production anywhere.

477 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Aug 11, 2014 9:35:06am

re: #473 Targetpractice

Of course not. It’s a zero-sum game to them: Employer pays employee, and that’s it. None of the employee’s pay goes back to the company, it goes everywhere but the company. Thus paying them more is not a good business decision because it’s just “money walking out the door.”

Whereas the profits do not just walk out the door, they often leave the country…

478 Targetpractice  Aug 11, 2014 9:36:03am

re: #475 Pie-onist Overlord

There is a law of diminishing returns attached to the use of this technology. If the whole point of it is just to get rid of those lazy, worthless, unskilled, bottom-tier miminum wage workers, the entrepreneur will soon find out that true, the machine doesn’t ask for a raise or call in sick or show up late But it requires maintenance from a technician (who earns more than min wage) and if it breaks down of malfunctions, it requires service from a specialist who make A LOT MORE than minimum wage.

Not to mention it requires constant maintenance, will need to be reprogrammed anytime they want to change the menu, and will have no manual backup in the event that it breaks down in the middle of service. Last thing a franchise owner can afford in the middle of a rush is to have his only means of serving food break down and no service technician on-site.

479 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Aug 11, 2014 9:36:23am

re: #476 Pie-onist Overlord

I think those are numbers they just pulled out of their ass. Momentum introduced this technology 2 years ago and still haven’t rolled it out to production anywhere.

Still, nobody thinks of maintaining a pool of secretaries just to type carbon copies and file them in a cabinet…those jobs are long gone, but that was a gradual process that took decades.

480 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 11, 2014 9:36:41am

re: #473 Targetpractice

Of course not. It’s a zero-sum game to them: Employer pays employee, and that’s it. None of the employee’s pay goes back to the company, it goes everywhere but the company. Thus paying them more is not a good business decision because it’s just “money walking out the door.”

Considering the fact that Walmart workers spend almost all of their meager earning AND THEIR FOOD STAMPS at Walmart, that’s just idiotic thinking.

481 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Aug 11, 2014 9:38:36am

re: #480 Pie-onist Overlord

Considering the fact that Walmart workers spend almost all of their meager earning AND THEIR FOOD STAMPS at Walmart, that’s just idiotic thinking.

I thought poors spent all their money on drugs and lottery tickets.

/

482 Targetpractice  Aug 11, 2014 9:38:37am

re: #480 Pie-onist Overlord

Considering the fact that Walmart workers spend almost all of their meager earning AND THEIR FOOD STAMPS at Walmart, that’s just idiotic thinking.

I think we’ve established that most of these darlings who think machines are the answer to workers wanting higher wages have no business education or experience.

483 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Aug 11, 2014 9:40:02am

re: #482 Targetpractice

I think we’ve established that most of these darlings who think machines are the answer to workers wanting higher wages have no business education or experience.

no, but their ideological credentials are flawless…

484 lawhawk  Aug 11, 2014 9:40:36am

Not shocked at all.

We see this in the course of the comments at the media outlets that report on this; we see this in the chyrons and headlines in media outlets. The death of an unarmed black man has taken a back seat to the rioting that ended a day of protests in a community sickened to their core by yet another senseless death of a man at the hands of law enforcement.

Now that the FBI is taking on the investigation, we might get a better chance at an impartial investigation, but that assumes all evidence has been preserved. The Ferguson PD has been in CYA mode almost from the outset, and their actions have been heavy handed with riot police and dogs, even though the protests were peaceful throughout the day yesterday.

The events last night do not diminish what happened - and who deserves to be put under the microscope here. It’s not those who were arrested for disorderly conduct and theft, but the police department that found no other less-deadly means to end a confrontation with a black man other than multiple shots fired.

It’s rather telling that the police chief thinks that the worst day of his life was the rioting yesterday, not one of his officers killing Brown.

twitter.com

485 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 11, 2014 9:40:51am

re: #482 Targetpractice

I think we’ve established that most of these darlings who think machines are the answer to workers wanting higher wages have no business education or experience.

HURR HURR THERE TEH LIBERTARIAN ENTREPREOORS, TEH CAPTAINS OF INDUSTRY!!!!!!!! THERE ALL TEH JOHN GALTS OF ARE TIME!!11!!!!

486 Franklin Brewsevelt  Aug 11, 2014 9:47:21am

LOL. I have never seen this snippet before, and I have searched “Stupidest Man on the Internet” before:

487 Eventual Carrion  Aug 11, 2014 9:48:22am

re: #464 Pie-onist Overlord

Momentum introduced their Amazing Automatic Burger MachineTM two years ago, you would think there’d be a model in production somewhere in the world, like in Japan, but in fact it IS NOT COST EFFECTIVE.

[Embedded content]

And I hope the burger flipping techs form a union.

488 Franklin Brewsevelt  Aug 11, 2014 9:49:09am

re: #487 Eventual Carrion

And I hope the burger flipping techs form a union.

Hell, I hope the burger flipping machines form a union :)

489 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Aug 11, 2014 9:50:02am

re: #488 Franklin Brewsevelt

Hell, I hope the burger flipping machines form a union :)

well, they cannot form a buyers’ club…

490 TedStriker  Aug 11, 2014 9:50:31am

re: #486 Franklin Brewsevelt

LOL. I have never seen this snippet before, and I have searched “Stupidest Man on the Internet” before:

[Embedded image]

LOLOLOLOLOL

491 Dr. Matt  Aug 11, 2014 9:50:44am

It’s amazing that mouth-breathers like Jim Hoft and Sarah Palin have zero shame over their complete and utter idiocies.

492 Dr Lizardo  Aug 11, 2014 9:52:53am

So far, I have yet to see any mention that the FBI is taking over the investigation in the shooting of Michael Brown on the usual suspect RWNJ sites.

They’re getting slow on the uptake these days, it seems. I’d have expected them to be screaming bloody murder about it by now.

OTOH, maybe they’re all at Hometown Buffet, or Red Lobster or Olive Garden and they’re not following the news of something.

493 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Aug 11, 2014 9:53:16am

re: #491 Dr. Matt

It’s amazing that mouth-breathers like Jim Hoft and Sarah Palin have zero shame over their complete and utter idiocies.

They possess a degree of moral and ideological certainty that a lot of folks can only dream of. And they have enough positive feedback from their fan base to continue.

494 lawhawk  Aug 11, 2014 9:54:03am

re: #463 Jay C

Ummm, I know this may sound like an extraordinarily dumb question: but is this even legal? Are “secret” subpoenas permitted (outside of espionage cases and the like)? Can he “reveal the existence” of it to his lawyer?

Grand juries have special rules of operation. This is a pretty good primer (it deals mostly with Florida, but the federal and other state grand juries operate with similar rules).

For instance:

The United States Supreme Court has enumerated the policies underlying grand jury secrecy:
1. The fear that witnesses will not come forward voluntarily if their identity is not protected;
2. The fear that witnesses will be less likely to give full and frank testimony if their identity is known so that they become subject to retribution or inducements;
3. The risk that the indicted will flee if indictments are made public prior to arrest;
4. The danger that a potential defendant might influence the votes of grand jurors; and
5. The protection of the reputation of an individual who is accused but not indicted by the grand jury. 17

Florida Statutes Section 905.24 (2012), codifies those policies and mandates: “Grand jury proceedings are secret, and a grand juror or an interpreter appointed pursuant to s. 90.6063(2) shall not disclose the nature or substance of the deliberations or vote of the grand jury.” Although there are no criminal sanctions which apply to a violation of that section, the courts routinely rely on that provision to deny access to grand jury-related matters.

In addition, Florida Statutes Section 905.27(2012) prohibits grand jurors, state attorneys and all other court personnel from disclosing to anyone, except under certain narrowly-specified circumstances, the testimony of a witness examined before the grand jury or other evidence received by it. The statute declares it unlawful:

for any person knowingly to publish, broadcast, disclose, divulge, or communicate to any other person, … in any manner whatsoever, any testimony of a witness examined before the grand jury, or the content, gist, or import thereof, except when such testimony is or has been disclosed in a court proceeding. 18

In effect, the statute attempts to prevent the press and grand jury witnesses from forever publishing truthful information concerning merely the gist of a grand jury witness’ testimony. The United States Supreme Court, however, deemed this statute unconstitutional insofar as it applied to witnesses speaking about the nature of their own grand jury testimony after the investigation has been completed. 19 Florida Statutes Section 905.27 (2012), no longer should impede state grand jury witnesses from discussing with reporters their grand jury testimony, especially once the grand jury proceeding has concluded.

Reporters also are free to observe the coming and going of witnesses into the grand jury room. Normally, the state attorney, who guides, counsels and strongly influences the conduct of the grand jury, announces, in general terms, the subject of the grand jury inquiry. Often leaks occur and the diligent reporter may gather information from sources close to the grand jury, the grand jury’s target and the court’s files themselves.

Of course, there are potential risks involved in publishing grand jury-related information. Privacy rights may be implicated. For example, if a grand jury witness’ testimony containing derogatory or very personal information concerning an unindicted individual is published, the individual may have an action for invasion of privacy or negligent violation of the grand jury statute - especially because the state has declared as a matter of public policy that such information is secret. 20 The United States Supreme Court, in 1988, addressed a case concerning the publication of statutorily confidential rape victim information. 21 The majority held that as long as the information is obtained lawfully and is of public significance, the First Amendment supersedes the statutory limitation. However, the state may be able to proscribe such a publication when its interest is shown to be very compelling and there are no less drastic means of achieving the result. 22

There are reasons the grand jury actions are kept secret - to give prosecutors the ability to go after individuals without tipping them off to a pending indictment (applies to gangs, mob prosecutions, some white collar crimes, terrorism, etc.)

I’m not familiar with the MS rules and whether they’re more or less restrictive than the FL or federal rules.

But a quick look finds that there are more restrictions on the jurors hearing cases than the witnesses. For instance, grand jury proceedings may not be disclosed by grand jurors for at least six months after the final adjournment of the grand jury under Miss. Code § 13-5-61.

495 Bulworth  Aug 11, 2014 9:56:42am

Hey, how’s the Trey Goudy dude’s BEnghazi! special bipartisan not a kangaroo court Benghazi hearings going?

496 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Aug 11, 2014 9:57:25am

re: #494 lawhawk

Thank you for the enlightening info, lawhawk.

497 Feline Fearless Leader  Aug 11, 2014 9:58:54am

re: #475 Pie-onist Overlord

There is a law of diminishing returns attached to the use of this technology. If the whole point of it is just to get rid of those lazy, worthless, unskilled, bottom-tier miminum wage workers, the entrepreneur will soon find out that true, the machine doesn’t ask for a raise or call in sick or show up late But it requires maintenance from a technician (who earns more than min wage) and if it breaks down of malfunctions, it requires service from a specialist who make A LOT MORE than minimum wage.

And fast-food restaurants do not run at a constant demand state during their business hours. They tend to have short periods of very high demand and other periods of low demand. So you have to have enough machines to handle peak demand - knowing that they would then be idle or underutilized for periods of the day as well. That’s a chunk of investment money right there - plus the consideration of having an additional backup machine in case of breakdown or to cover for another machine during maintenance or upgrade periods.

498 makeitstop  Aug 11, 2014 9:59:18am

re: #495 Bulworth

Hey, how’s the Trey Goudy dude’s BEnghazi! special bipartisan not a kangaroo court Benghazi hearings going?

My Facebook wingnuts are in love with the guy - he’s the Fringe’s top pick for preznit in 2016.

499 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 11, 2014 10:03:00am

re: #497 Feline Fearless Leader

And fast-food restaurants do not run at a constant demand state during their business hours. They tend to have short periods of very high demand and other periods of low demand. So you have to have enough machines to handle peak demand - knowing that they would then be idle or underutilized for periods of the day as well. That’s a chunk of investment money right there - plus the consideration of having an additional backup machine in case of breakdown or to cover for another machine during maintenance or upgrade periods.

It’s more likely that Momentum wants to lease these machines to the franchises rather than selling them outright. With the lease would come a service agreement, with regular maintenance visits.

500 Feline Fearless Leader  Aug 11, 2014 10:03:23am

re: #489 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

well, they cannot form a buyers’ club…

What if they pool their resources and start buying each others’ freedom as part of a corporation that leases burger machines?

Corporations are people too. Mitt told me that.

501 Dr. Matt  Aug 11, 2014 10:10:44am

re: #493 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

They possess a degree of moral and ideological certainty that a lot of folks can only dream of. And they have enough positive feedback from their fan base to continue.

You know, most people experience a night when you lay down to go to sleep and relive some embarrassing moment you had earlier in the day, i.e., self-reflection. It appears that RWNJs either ignore these moments or lack them altogether.

502 Eventual Carrion  Aug 11, 2014 10:12:46am

re: #501 Dr. Matt

You know, most people experience a night when you lay down to go to sleep and relive some embarrassing moment you had earlier in the day, i.e., self-reflection. It appears that RWNJs either ignore these moments or lack them altogether.

Or just pour enough vodka into their souls to not care.

503 Targetpractice  Aug 11, 2014 10:14:19am

Not sure if this news got revealed downstairs or not, but apparently the Brown family has retained the services of one Ben Crump as their lawyer.

504 Lidane  Aug 11, 2014 10:14:22am

re: #499 Pie-onist Overlord

It’s more likely that Momentum wants to lease these machines to the franchises rather than selling them outright. With the lease would come a service agreement, with regular maintenance visits.

And with that service agreement and maintenance visits, there would also be the mandatory expensive training sessions with the franchise owners and managers to train them on the machines. Wheee!

505 Kragar  Aug 11, 2014 10:15:36am
507 Franklin Brewsevelt  Aug 11, 2014 10:18:35am
508 Franklin Brewsevelt  Aug 11, 2014 10:20:58am
509 Romantic Heretic  Aug 11, 2014 10:23:22am

re: #461 Feline Fearless Leader

And someone is probably busy deleting emails and such off a server right now without understanding how change logs and backups work.
//

I’ll never forget the day, back when I was a computer programmer, the horror on a client’s face when I told him I got the audit trail on his system working.

510 Eventual Carrion  Aug 11, 2014 10:23:49am
511 Jenner7  Aug 11, 2014 10:24:50am

Just registered, but I have been a long time lurker. Love this place, it’s almost an addiction for me.

I wanted to share a comment from my local news station, ksl.com, regarding Mike Brown and the protests. This is what I have to deal with in my state.

“Nice job, folks. Use this incident as an excuse to trash your community and drive what few hard working small business owners away for good. Even dogs know better than to defecate where they sleep! This has nothing to do with race, but EVERYTHING to do with culture. And sadly, the culture that has prevailed for generations in neighborhoods such as this has celebrated laziness, government entitlement, substance abuse, and immorality for a long time. The few who try to break out by pulling themselves up by their bootstraps are routinely pummeled by the rest, along with their religious and community leaders who profit handsomely by keeping the misery status quo. When the last dime of government cheese finally dries up after the feds exhaust their last line of credit, things are going to get really ugly. Wish it were different.”

But, it’s not about race. Right. When in reality, it is red states and whites that use government assistance the most. I’ve tried, but you just can’t get to these people. And by these people, I mean racist assholes. :)

Back into lurkdome.

512 Stanley Sea  Aug 11, 2014 10:25:59am

re: #511 Jenner7

Welcome. and :(

513 Shiplord Kirel  Aug 11, 2014 10:26:13am

re: #508 Franklin Brewsevelt

Boston Red Sox Fans Riot

Vancouver Fans Riot

Penn State Riot

White People Riot

Well, you know how they get in hot weather…….

514 Franklin Brewsevelt  Aug 11, 2014 10:26:45am

re: #511 Jenner7

Just registered, but I have been a long time lurker. Love this place, it’s almost an addiction for me.

I wanted to share a comment from my local news station, ksl.com, regarding Mike Brown and the protests. This is what I have to deal with in my state.

“Nice job, folks. Use this incident as an excuse to trash your community and drive what few hard working small business owners away for good. Even dogs know better than to defecate where they sleep! This has nothing to do with race, but EVERYTHING to do with culture. And sadly, the culture that has prevailed for generations in neighborhoods such as this has celebrated laziness, government entitlement, substance abuse, and immorality for a long time. The few who try to break out by pulling themselves up by their bootstraps are routinely pummeled by the rest, along with their religious and community leaders who profit handsomely by keeping the misery status quo. When the last dime of government cheese finally dries up after the feds exhaust their last line of credit, things are going to get really ugly. Wish it were different.”

But, it’s not about race. Right. When in reality, it is red states and whites that use government assistance the most. I’ve tried, but you just can’t get to these people. And by these people, I mean racist assholes. :)

Back into lurkdome.

BOOTSTRAPS!!!!

Welcome to LGF :)

515 jaunte  Aug 11, 2014 10:28:08am

re: #511 Jenner7

…this has nothing to do with race, but EVERYTHING to do with culture…

It’s that culture that doesn’t realize we have the sudden death penalty for jaywalking if your skin is brown.

516 ObserverArt  Aug 11, 2014 10:28:24am

re: #376 Pie-onist Overlord

Those NPR “Tiny Desk” features gave me an idea. I can line up virtual “Tiny Desks” and flip them or set them on fire without damaging or running out of large desks.

Doll house furniture, that’s what you need.

517 Eventual Carrion  Aug 11, 2014 10:28:30am

re: #511 Jenner7

[snip] This has nothing to do with race, but EVERYTHING to do with culture. And sadly, the culture that has prevailed for generations in neighborhoods such as this has celebrated laziness, government entitlement, substance abuse, and immorality for a long time. The few who try to break out by pulling themselves up by their bootstraps are routinely pummeled by the rest, along with their religious and community leaders who profit handsomely by keeping the misery status quo. When the last dime of government cheese finally dries up after the feds exhaust their last line of credit, things are going to get really ugly. Wish it were different.”

[snip]

Or shot by police for walking while black.

518 Romantic Heretic  Aug 11, 2014 10:30:04am

re: #488 Franklin Brewsevelt

Hell, I hope the burger flipping machines form a union :)

I often explained to clients that if the computers they wanted were as smart as the clients believed said machines might not take kindly to being slave labor.

What they really wanted was a djinn. Something enslaved to them that could grant them unlimited wishes.

519 Rightwingconspirator  Aug 11, 2014 10:30:42am

re: #511 Jenner7

Welcome!

A tip for you-Use the block quotes function so we can easily separate your words from the passages you quote. Just highlight the quoted text and click the quotes icon from that row of functions at the top right of a comment box.

520 lawhawk  Aug 11, 2014 10:31:29am

re: #508 Franklin Brewsevelt

And there are countless riots when colleges defeat big name rivals or the big game or championships.

campusgrotto.com

sports-facts.top5.com

articles.latimes.com

521 Kragar  Aug 11, 2014 10:32:08am

We all know conservatives would be calm, cool, and collected if a member of law enforcement shot an unarmed white male in the streets. I mean, look how well they handled the Federal agents at Bundy Ranch.

Oh, right…

522 lawhawk  Aug 11, 2014 10:32:45am

re: #518 Romantic Heretic

Burger flippers might not be forming a union soon enough, but we could get a desk flipping union organized in short order. /

523 wrenchwench  Aug 11, 2014 10:33:43am

re: #511 Jenner7

Welcome, hatchling.

Back into lurkdome.

Don’t stay in there too long, you’ll get stuck!

524 Lidane  Aug 11, 2014 10:33:50am

The RWNJ God is a Dick, part eleventy:

Alex McFarland: God Punishing America With Obama Presidency, Gay Rights And Immigration

Still trying to figure out why this version of God is worth being worshipped. Can’t come up with a reason.

525 Kragar  Aug 11, 2014 10:34:43am
526 Feline Fearless Leader  Aug 11, 2014 10:35:28am

re: #518 Romantic Heretic

I often explained to clients that if the computers they wanted were as smart as the clients believed said machines might not take kindly to being slave labor.

What they really wanted was a djinn. Something enslaved to them that could grant them unlimited wishes.

But if you wish for a turkey club sandwich the turkey is too dry.

527 Lidane  Aug 11, 2014 10:35:32am

re: #525 Kragar

And now we know why the FBI will be handling this investigation.

528 Kragar  Aug 11, 2014 10:35:47am

re: #524 Lidane

The RWNJ God is a Dick, part eleventy:

Alex McFarland: God Punishing America With Obama Presidency, Gay Rights And Immigration

Still trying to figure out why this version of God is worth being worshipped. Can’t come up with a reason.

Maybe God is punishing us with the Tea Party and RWNJs because too many people listen to Alex McFarland and Rush Limbaugh

529 jaunte  Aug 11, 2014 10:36:10am

Why Ferguson burned: Explaining St. Louis area riot to kids, outsiders

“…St. Louis, recently ranked as the sixth most racially segregated city in the country, has entrenched polarized attitudes about race and law enforcement.

Ferguson, a community of 21,000, is an inner-ring suburb, a place where it’s easy for the economic recovery to bypass the poor. It’s a city of 6 square miles, about 10 miles north of downtown. About two-thirds of the residents are African-American. The median income is $37,000, roughly $10,000 less than the state average. Nearly a quarter of residents live below the poverty level, compared with 15 percent statewide.

It’s part of north St. Louis county, where whites left en masse beginning in the 1960s, creating one of the most extreme cases of “white flight” in the country. But many who remained in power are still white, including much of the law enforcement. A local lawyer said whenever she goes into the North County courthouse all the defendants are always black, the cops always white…”

530 Bulworth  Aug 11, 2014 10:36:23am

re:
#524

And why did God choose to punish America with Obama presidency after 8 years of George W. Bush? And is it God punishing America with or because of teh gay rights?

531 Kragar  Aug 11, 2014 10:37:49am
532 jaunte  Aug 11, 2014 10:40:13am

re: #531 Kragar

- Never have anything wrong with your car

533 Dr Lizardo  Aug 11, 2014 10:40:28am

re: #511 Jenner7

Welcome to LGF. :)

534 ObserverArt  Aug 11, 2014 10:40:39am

re: #410 Lidane

Having only lived in Texas, the South is my frame of reference. I sometimes forget that bigots are all over the damn place. Heh.

Old line I heard from a Floridian when talking about some stuff I had run into at a bar in Monroe Michigan working sound for a band.

“Isn’t it amazing how far north the south goes.”

Another gem from a cousin when talking about some of the people I ran into in upstate New York in the Adirondack Mountain region.

“There were hills right? What did you expect?”

And that is not to bag on people from those areas as much as it is to mention there are groups that think similar all over this country.

535 Romantic Heretic  Aug 11, 2014 10:40:45am

re: #524 Lidane

The RWNJ God is a Dick, part eleventy:

Alex McFarland: God Punishing America With Obama Presidency, Gay Rights And Immigration

Still trying to figure out why this version of God is worth being worshipped. Can’t come up with a reason.

The worshippers of this God, who is actually cloven hoofed and crimsoned skinned, hope that by licking his nutsack He won’t torture them them too badly when the believers shuffle off this mortal coil. Lemon juice on paper cuts as opposed to being flayed and dipped in molten lava.

Now thinking of this comic. And this one.

536 TedStriker  Aug 11, 2014 10:41:22am

re: #525 Kragar

[Embedded content]

re: #527 Lidane

And now we know why the FBI will be handling this investigation.

My cynicism last night seems to be borne out somewhat, unfortunately; the Ferguson cops were just waiting for an excuse to start busting heads and, when that didn’t pan out, they pulled back and let the opportunists wreck the neighborhood. It’s fucking disgusting and shameful, but, hey, the Ferguson PD hasn’t exactly covered themselves in glory in all of this.

And, lest anyone forgets, a person who was, from all accounts (except the Ferguson PD’s), just minding their own business and not bothering anyone is still stone-cold dead, mowed down with extreme prejudice at the hands of the police.

537 Lidane  Aug 11, 2014 10:42:25am

It’s adorable how the GOP thinks they’d suddenly be able to govern if they won the Senate:

Uniting to Take Congress, G.O.P. Tries to Become the Party of ‘Yes’

Republican leaders acknowledge they will need to persuade their most conservative colleagues — including several potential presidential contenders — to be satisfied with legislative gains that might fall short of their ideals. Insisting on all their demands could end in failure by leaving Republicans short of 51 votes, let alone the 60 that will be required to pass most bills.

“We are going to have to convince people that we are not going to be perfect, but let’s at least move the ball down the field and try to do things many of us have wanted to do for a long time,” said Senator John Thune of South Dakota, chairman of the Senate Republican Conference.

Good luck with that. Speaker Cruz might have a few opinions about this plan.

538 Kragar  Aug 11, 2014 10:43:35am
539 Lidane  Aug 11, 2014 10:47:53am

Librul Democrat plant, 700 Club edition:

Immediately following the general’s interview, Robertson asked his audience to pray because “chaos and terror” were coming “to every person living in the United States of America.”

“We see a feckless administration unwilling to act except in feckless terms,” the TV preacher prayed. “God, we need the angels! We need your help! We need the strength of God Almighty! We need your power, Lord!”

“Intervene, Lord!” he begged. “Send the angels! Do miracles!”

540 Bulworth  Aug 11, 2014 10:48:19am

re:
#537

“We are going to have to convince people that we are not going to be perfect, but let’s at least move the ball down the field and try to do things many of us have wanted to do for a long time,” said Senator John Thune of South Dakota, chairman of the Senate Republican Conference.

Oh, like what? Increase healthcare coverage? Make our food, water and air safer? Better protect the rights of the marginalized?

541 Kragar  Aug 11, 2014 10:48:31am

Its like they don’t even consider people might actually remember things.

542 Franklin Brewsevelt  Aug 11, 2014 10:48:43am
543 Eventual Carrion  Aug 11, 2014 10:48:55am

re: #525 Kragar

[Embedded content]

Yet you fight back in the face of that kind of aggression and you are a “thug”. Fuck those worthless pieces of shit, they are a disgrace to the badge.

544 Dr Lizardo  Aug 11, 2014 10:49:03am

re: #535 Romantic Heretic

The worshippers of this God, who is actually cloven hoofed and crimsoned skinned, made of matter quite different then our own and possesses a generally humanoid shape, with large wings and an octopus-like head with tentacles hope that by licking his nutsack chanting and slaying around idol-capped monoliths in lonely places, He won’t torture them them too badly when the believers shuffle off this mortal coil. Lemon juice on paper cuts as opposed to being flayed and dipped in molten lava will eat them last.

Now thinking of this comic. And this one.

FTFY. Because the deity worshipped by the wingnuts is usually greeted with a hearty cry of “Iä, Iä!!

545 Franklin Brewsevelt  Aug 11, 2014 10:50:28am

re: #542 Franklin Brewsevelt

Davis, who struck out 10 in a previous outing at the regional tournament, is an honor roll student who has played for a local travel team since she was 7, according to Philadelphia Magazine’s Marc Kravitz. She will become just the 18th girl to play in the Little League World Series since it began allowing them to play in 1974. Emma March of Canada’s South Vancouver Little League will also play in the tournament, making March and Davis just the third pair of girls to appear in the same Little League World Series.

Another girl, 12-year-old Kayla Roncin of Toms River, New Jersey, struck out 10 batters in 5 1/3 innings of work during the Mid-Atlantic Regional tournament against the same Delaware team Davis baffled in the regional final (Roncin’s team lost before her and Davis could face off on the field).

546 Kragar  Aug 11, 2014 10:53:03am

Part of being a law enforcement officer is being professional and being a protector of the community. Anyone who brings an “us vs them” mentality to the job doesn’t deserve the respect a cop is entitled to.

547 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 11, 2014 10:55:28am

“Arthritis followed you”

GET THE FUCK AWAY FROM ME, ARTHRITIS!

548 Kragar  Aug 11, 2014 10:57:38am
549 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 11, 2014 10:59:46am

The TCOT’s have received their talking points, HURR HURR SO WHAT IF TEH POLICE SHOT A BLAH KID, DON’T MEAN ALL TEH BLAH PEOPLES CAN HAS A LOOTING SPREE!!!!!!!!

550 Lidane  Aug 11, 2014 11:04:37am

re: #549 Pie-onist Overlord

So what you’re saying is that it’s Monday and TCOT is filled with morons.

Heh.

551 jaunte  Aug 11, 2014 11:05:03am

Lots of nasty racists trolling the #ferguson hashtag today.
It’s almost as if they enjoy making things worse.

552 ObserverArt  Aug 11, 2014 11:05:47am

re: #466 Targetpractice

I imagine a lot of discussion is going on now about whether or not to throw this cop to the Feds in order to prevent the investigation going any deeper than this shooting.

Problem is though, once the Feds sink their teeth into an investigation they will be looking to see if it is systematic. And this will be an easy case to do just that, because no one policeman acts totally on his own, they need some direction or at the very least cover.

553 Kragar  Aug 11, 2014 11:06:02am

re: #551 jaunte

Lots of nasty racists trolling the #ferguson hashtag today.
It’s almost as if they enjoy making things worse.

They do, and they know if they said that shit to someone’s face, they’d be lucky to only get their asses kicked.

554 lawhawk  Aug 11, 2014 11:08:28am

re: #548 Kragar

That’s a cheap shot at no talent ass clowns.

555 Kragar  Aug 11, 2014 11:11:03am

Someone’s sarcasm meter is busted

556 Targetpractice  Aug 11, 2014 11:12:26am

re: #555 Kragar

Someone’s sarcasm meter is busted

[Embedded content]

Hey man, the Flying Spaghetti Monster is real!!

//

557 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 11, 2014 11:14:38am

*FLIPS DESK & LIGHTS IT ON FIRE*

558 lawhawk  Aug 11, 2014 11:14:39am

re: #552 ObserverArt

There have been complaints about the Ferguson PD for some time. The MO AG’s office has been looking at the statistics of stops, arrests, etc., and the raw numbers do point out issues.

After all, how is it that in a town of 15,865 where whites make up 33% of the local population, blacks make up 63%, the state recognizes that there’s a disparity rate of 1.37, indicating significant overrepresentation on the number of stops. Whites are underrepresented, and that’s even though the contraband hit rate is higher for whites than blacks. Blacks are arrested at a higher rate than whites, which again indicates systemic overrepresentation.

There’s something rotten there, and it starts at the top with the PD, their tactics, motivations, and view of the community.

559 jaunte  Aug 11, 2014 11:15:54am
Hi XXXXX,
I hope you are doing well.
XXXXXX Recruiting is very interested in recruiting for your organization.
Do you have a particular job opening we could recruit on for you at this time?

Hi recruiter who has been sending me this identical email for a decade,
without ever giving me a clue that you know what my business is, or what kind of skills I’m looking for. You will never ever receive a reply or any business from me as you have proved your disinterest long ago.

560 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Aug 11, 2014 11:16:10am

re: #557 Pie-onist Overlord

Osama is dead. How could he cross the border?

561 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Aug 11, 2014 11:16:36am

gah

562 Lidane  Aug 11, 2014 11:16:43am

Mike Huckabee’s 2016 fitness plan — walking things back:

Huckabee Clarifies He ‘Never’ Said Obama Should Be Impeached

Huckabee last week:

Mike Huckabee: Obama ‘Worthy Of Impeachment’ (AUDIO)

563 Dr Lizardo  Aug 11, 2014 11:17:54am

re: #555 Kragar

What?! Is this Adam Davies fellow saying there will be no Ragnarok?!

HEATHEN!!!

:D

564 Lidane  Aug 11, 2014 11:17:55am

re: #560 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

Osama is dead. How could he cross the border?

By wearing a rubber mask, obviously.

/////

565 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 11, 2014 11:18:10am

And now here is the TCOT swarm of talking points

566 Rightwingconspirator  Aug 11, 2014 11:18:30am

re: #561 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

gah

[Embedded image]

One more in the Putins Bitches Club.

567 Kragar  Aug 11, 2014 11:19:38am

Tahmooressi and his mother have both consistently claimed that he was driving south on I-5 from La Jolla, on the way to have dinner with friends in San Ysidro, when he missed the last exit before the border and accidentally crossed into Mexico. The first problem with this story is he now admits that he had parked his truck at a lot just north of the border earlier in the day and walked into Tijuana.

That means when he walked back across the border to his truck, he was already as far south as it is possible to be and still be in the U.S. The second problem is the San Ysidro crossing is the busiest land border crossing in the world. It is large, well-marked and brightly lit at night on both sides. Even had he been driving south on I-5, which we now know he wasn’t, I-5 is a multilane freeway with numerous signs and ample opportunities to exit and turn around. Even had he somehow missed all of these, there are clearly marked turnaround lines only a few yards from the border.

In the past week new evidence has turned up, including cellphone records and a hotel receipt, that casts even more doubt on Tahmooressi’s story. Far from being unfamiliar with the San Ysidro crossing, as he originally claimed, cellphone and ATM records show that he had crossed the border five or six times in recent weeks. He has now admitted as much, saying he went to visit a Tijuana woman who works in the notorious Zona de Tolerancia, Tijuana’s red light district, with whom he was developing a relationship.

568 jaunte  Aug 11, 2014 11:19:49am

re: #565 Pie-onist Overlord

Racial healing starts with decorum.

Maybe with less death.

569 Lidane  Aug 11, 2014 11:19:51am

re: #565 Pie-onist Overlord

Unarmed white teenagers get shot by cops?

570 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Aug 11, 2014 11:20:36am

re: #566 Rightwingconspirator

They would have been better off tattooing “I’m a douche” on their foreheads.

571 Targetpractice  Aug 11, 2014 11:22:39am

re: #569 Lidane

Unarmed white teenagers get shot by cops?

Yeah, that was my first thought as well. Can any of these jackholes point to an example that matches Brown’s being responded to with “decorum”?

572 jaunte  Aug 11, 2014 11:23:31am
Update: “To complete this investigation, Project Veritas spent over $74,242 in legal fees, investigators salaries, and travel expenses… Please help me replace these funds.” ah ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

James O’Keefe Is Getting Desperate as Hell, Part MCMXVII

573 lawhawk  Aug 11, 2014 11:24:32am

re: #561 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

Tony Stark was right. Ivan Vanko really is a bad guy. /

574 William Barnett-Lewis  Aug 11, 2014 11:24:40am

re: #565 Pie-onist Overlord

And now here is the TCOT swarm of talking points

[Embedded content]

I seem to recall a list of sports riots. How many of them had looting by white folks? Oh, yeah, wasn’t it _all_ of them?

I suppose being a Fan requires decorum too… /////dripping.

575 jaunte  Aug 11, 2014 11:24:45am
576 Kragar  Aug 11, 2014 11:25:48am

re: #565 Pie-onist Overlord

And now here is the TCOT swarm of talking points

[Embedded content]

577 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 11, 2014 11:25:57am

re: #569 Lidane

Unarmed white teenagers get shot by cops?

Kent State 1970?

578 jaunte  Aug 11, 2014 11:27:58am
579 Bulworth  Aug 11, 2014 11:29:01am

re:
#569

Yes. That other time before that thing but after the other event.

580 William Barnett-Lewis  Aug 11, 2014 11:29:01am

re: #577 Pie-onist Overlord

Kent State 1970?

National Guard, not cops. Even the Ferguson cops are more professional than the Guard was in those days.

The Guard didn’t bottom out and clean up until the mid to late 80’s. Heck, in 1985 we’d have keggers out in the field on Saturday night of drill weekend.

581 Targetpractice  Aug 11, 2014 11:29:35am

re: #574 William Barnett-Lewis

I seem to recall a list of sports riots. How many of them had looting by white folks? Oh, yeah, wasn’t it _all_ of them?

I suppose being a Fan requires decorum too… /////dripping.

Yeah, but “it’s different.” How? White people are expected to act like immature and violent jackasses when they win some major sporting event. Black folks are expected to just accept the deaths of their own at the hands of racist cops, because if they get angry about it, then it lacks “decorum.”

582 Kragar  Aug 11, 2014 11:31:35am

He’s a smart one

583 Franklin Brewsevelt  Aug 11, 2014 11:32:10am

re: #576 Kragar

Slight distinction, the riots were in protest of the head coach Paterno being fired. Paterno wasn’t the pedophile, but certainly had a hand in the whole mess.

584 Eventual Carrion  Aug 11, 2014 11:35:44am

re: #574 William Barnett-Lewis

I seem to recall a list of sports riots. How many of them had looting by white folks? Oh, yeah, wasn’t it _all_ of them?

I suppose being a Fan requires decorum too… /////dripping.

I still think it is worse rioting in support of a pedophile protector/apologist. And the pictures I have seen of those incidents show a vast majority of white faces. And you can imagine the shit I get saying that here in good ol’ Pennsylvania.

585 Kragar  Aug 11, 2014 11:37:42am
586 Lidane  Aug 11, 2014 11:39:36am

re: #577 Pie-onist Overlord

Kent State 1970?

OK fair point. I wasn’t alive then, so it didn’t come to mind.

587 ObserverArt  Aug 11, 2014 11:40:19am

re: #582 Kragar

He’s a smart one

[Liberty Bell @libertybell1776
Follow
@Kragar_LGF When, where, what?]

I wonder if the Liberty Bell name and avatar are an indication he is from Pennsylvania, which would make him extra-thick in the ol’ noggin.

588 Lidane  Aug 11, 2014 11:42:49am

I’m pretty sure teenagers are smart enough to know the difference between a man crush, a bromance, and being gay, but okay:

Anne Paulk: Teenagers Confuse A ‘Bromance’ Or ‘Guy Crush’ With Being Gay

589 Bulworth  Aug 11, 2014 11:44:52am

re:
#588

She then said the gay community doesn’t let people leave: “Once in, you’re not allowed out.”

Hahahahhahahahahahhhahah

OMG..

590 Targetpractice  Aug 11, 2014 11:45:41am

re: #588 Lidane

I’m pretty sure teenagers are smart enough to know the difference between a man crush, a bromance, and being gay, but okay:

Anne Paulk: Teenagers Confuse A ‘Bromance’ Or ‘Guy Crush’ With Being Gay

What, no “heterosexual life-mate”?

/

591 Franklin Brewsevelt  Aug 11, 2014 11:45:48am

re: #589 Bulworth

ALL YOUR {GAY} BASE ARE BELONG TO US!

592 Bulworth  Aug 11, 2014 11:46:43am

re:
#588

“It’s almost politically correct to be homosexual or gay,” Dobson said. “You’re a hero by declaring that you’re gay,” Paulk replied, pointing to Michael Sam. “He became an overnight hero in many circles simply for saying ‘I’m gay.’ That’s our culture today.”

Behold the White Christian Privilege.

593 Kragar  Aug 11, 2014 11:49:13am

re: #590 Targetpractice

What, no “heterosexual life-mate”?

/

She’s still upset her husband declared the whole “ex-gay” movement was a load of shit, divorced her, and openly declared that he was gay.

594 Shiplord Kirel  Aug 11, 2014 11:56:47am

The legendary Dumbest Man on the Internet, Jim Hoft, lives up to his rep by headlining the damage in Ferguson as “mass destruction.”

TGP EXCLUSIVE: Photos & VIDEO of Ferguson, MO Mass Destruction

At least one commenter calls him out on this, pointing out that a few looted and burned businesses do not constitute “mass destruction” by any reasonable definition of the term.
Several commenters assert that the cop who shot Michael was also black, but they do not offer a source. This is actually a fair possibility, given that the town is 67% black, but no confirmation was forthcoming. When asked for a link, one commenter actually responded “Sorry, that is suppressed information. It does however happen to be true.”
WTF? As with middle school students and Texas Tech freshmen, the RWNJs seem to have a real problem with verifiable sourcing: “My uncle said…” “My ex-boyfriend said…” “I heard….” etc.
It would be an improvement if they cited Alex Jones or an Al Qaeda webpage as a source, untrustworthy though they are, since I could at least theoretically go there and see for myself.


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