Photo: St. Louis SWAT Police Train High-Powered Rifles on Unarmed Protesters in Ferguson

What the hell is going on in Missouri?
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Is this Afghanistan, or Missouri?

How can there possibly be any excuse for training weapons on people in a non-violent protest?

UPDATE at 8/13/14 4:51:18 pm by Charles Johnson

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1 darthstar  Aug 13, 2014 4:40:49pm

Ferguson is turning into the Gaza strip of Missouri.

2 makeitstop  Aug 13, 2014 4:42:29pm

I’m really getting sick of asking what the fuck they think they’re doing.

3 Stanley Sea  Aug 13, 2014 4:43:29pm

This is fucking insane.

4 Charles Johnson  Aug 13, 2014 4:45:04pm

Those dash cams that are still in their boxes? Ferguson PD has TWO of them.

5 ObserverArt  Aug 13, 2014 4:45:34pm

re: #2 makeitstop

I’m really getting sick of asking what the fuck they think they’re doing.

I know what they are doing.

Everything wrong.

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6 klys  Aug 13, 2014 4:46:50pm

The husband just reported a spam message advertising “how to survive a martial law takeover,” with the information behind a suspicious tinyurl address.

I told him what he really needed to worry about was marital law.

7 b.d.  Aug 13, 2014 4:47:20pm

Dear Cops, please quit acting like the Bundy Bunch. Thanks.

8 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 13, 2014 4:47:21pm

I just made a new twitter hashtag…

9 Targetpractice  Aug 13, 2014 4:48:20pm

re: #4 Charles Johnson

Those dash cams that are still in their boxes? Ferguson PD has TWO of them.

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How convenient.

10 Charles Johnson  Aug 13, 2014 4:48:55pm
11 Kragar  Aug 13, 2014 4:50:16pm
12 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Aug 13, 2014 4:50:53pm

MNR? Missouri People’s Republic?/

13 klys  Aug 13, 2014 4:51:42pm
14 Rightwingconspirator  Aug 13, 2014 4:52:08pm

I don’t always protest under the gun but when I do….
A hearty fuck you to any cop that aims a gun at unarmed non threatening protesters.

15 Targetpractice  Aug 13, 2014 4:53:47pm

This really is the kinda shit you expect to read about happening in an authoritarian basketcase like Russia, not the US. I can’t help but imagine how many people in other countries are reading tweets about this and thinking “And these guys are supposed to be the beacon of freedom and liberty.”

16 Kragar  Aug 13, 2014 4:54:08pm
17 Charles Johnson  Aug 13, 2014 4:54:42pm
18 Stanley Sea  Aug 13, 2014 4:55:32pm

re: #15 Targetpractice

This really is the kinda shit you expect to read about happening in an authoritarian basketcase like Russia, not the US. I can’t help but imagine how many people in other countries to reading tweets about this and thinking “And these guys are supposed to be the beacon of freedom and liberty.”

Not to the blahs. It’s all about the blahs. You would not see this in ANY cream colored neighborhood.

SHAME

19 wrenchwench  Aug 13, 2014 4:56:31pm
20 Kragar  Aug 13, 2014 4:56:45pm
21 Rightwingconspirator  Aug 13, 2014 4:57:56pm

re: #17 Charles Johnson

That’s not public safety, or preventative. That response is a big F U provocation. I hate to think what tiny spark could set this off, such as an arrest of protesters for standing in the street.

22 Stanley Sea  Aug 13, 2014 4:58:37pm

The police have lost any semblance of protect and serve. This will take years to fix.

23 Rightwingconspirator  Aug 13, 2014 4:59:07pm

re: #22 Stanley Sea

The police have lost any semblance of protect and serve. This will take years to fix.

The fix is to disband that department and rebuild from scratch.

In the meantime-Photogs there—get clear images of the faces behind the guns and the officers in charge. Gather evidence.

24 wrenchwench  Aug 13, 2014 4:59:30pm

re: #23 Rightwingconspirator

The fix is to disband that department and rebuild from scratch.

Tomorrow.

25 Stanley Sea  Aug 13, 2014 4:59:37pm

Anyone monitoring policeone? Bet there’s some great screenshots.

26 Targetpractice  Aug 13, 2014 5:00:09pm

re: #20 Kragar

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I’d politely tell them that that’s not happening, that taking a photo is not a crime, and that the next demand of turning over my phone is likewise not going to happen. After all, I could use the money that will come from a wrongful arrest lawsuit.

27 Kid A  Aug 13, 2014 5:00:15pm

re: #24 wrenchwench

Tomorrow.

A week ago.

28 BongCrodny  Aug 13, 2014 5:00:41pm

re: #17 Charles Johnson

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Being reminded of this…

29 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 13, 2014 5:00:55pm
30 allegro  Aug 13, 2014 5:00:57pm

re: #15 Targetpractice

This really is the kinda shit you expect to read about happening in an authoritarian basketcase like Russia, not the US. I can’t help but imagine how many people in other countries are reading tweets about this and thinking “And these guys are supposed to be the beacon of freedom and liberty.”

And I had thought the US lost its moral high ground by invading a country that was no threat to us based on lies. We hadn’t seen nuthin’ yet.

This is sickening.

31 Lidane  Aug 13, 2014 5:01:19pm
32 Targetpractice  Aug 13, 2014 5:02:33pm

This really does seem like an NRA wet dream…oh wait, I forgot, the oppressive government forces are aiming at black people. Nevermind.

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33 Lidane  Aug 13, 2014 5:03:03pm
34 Charles Johnson  Aug 13, 2014 5:03:08pm

Is that an LRAD weapon on top of that armored vehicle, or some kind of shield?

35 wrenchwench  Aug 13, 2014 5:03:26pm

re: #27 Kid A

A week ago.

Well, yeah, but tomorrow is doable.

You hear me Mr. President?

36 Lidane  Aug 13, 2014 5:03:39pm
37 Cassidy  Aug 13, 2014 5:04:34pm

This is just crazy. I’m a public servant, not a cop, and I can’t even fathom what they’re thinking.

38 klys  Aug 13, 2014 5:04:54pm

Funny, I remember the police chief saying in his press conference just this afternoon that there was no curfew.

Man, I wonder why nobody trusts these guys.

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39 Kragar  Aug 13, 2014 5:05:01pm
40 Stanley Sea  Aug 13, 2014 5:05:01pm

re: #35 wrenchwench

Well, yeah, but tomorrow is doable.

You hear me Mr. President?

Like I said, there’s an intense conversation going on right now a la Bobby Kennedy.

41 Targetpractice  Aug 13, 2014 5:05:10pm

re: #36 Lidane

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Seriously? They’ve decided to just pull out all the stops and start arresting people for peacefully assembling? This is a legal department’s worst nightmare.

42 Lidane  Aug 13, 2014 5:05:10pm
43 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Aug 13, 2014 5:05:14pm

re: #32 Targetpractice

This really does seem like an NRA wet dream…oh wait, I forgot, the oppressive government forces are aiming at black people. Nevermind.

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Where were all these tough guys during the Bundy standoff?

44 Kid A  Aug 13, 2014 5:05:26pm

re: #37 Cassidy

This is just crazy. I’m a public servant, not a cop, and I can’t even fathom what they’re thinking.

Greetings, hatchling.

45 Charles Johnson  Aug 13, 2014 5:05:37pm

Here’s a live stream from the scene of the protest:

fox2now.com

46 klys  Aug 13, 2014 5:05:48pm

re: #43 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

Where were all these tough guys during the Bundy standoff?

The cynical side of me says they were there, on Bundy’s side.

The rational side of me says otherwise, but I can’t deny the voice is there.

47 wrenchwench  Aug 13, 2014 5:06:09pm

re: #37 Cassidy

Welcome, hatchling.

48 Lidane  Aug 13, 2014 5:06:09pm

re: #43 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

Where were all these tough guys during the Bundy standoff?

From the looks of things? Probably supporting the assholes aiming sniper rifles at the BLM.

49 Kragar  Aug 13, 2014 5:06:23pm

re: #43 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

Where were all these tough guys during the Bundy standoff?

Burning vacation days to support the welfare rancher

50 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Aug 13, 2014 5:07:20pm

re: #23 Rightwingconspirator

The fix is to disband that department and rebuild from scratch.
.

The next police would be exactly the same, if the political leadership and prosecutors didn’t change.

51 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Aug 13, 2014 5:07:22pm

Police or a buncha gun nuts?

52 Lidane  Aug 13, 2014 5:07:32pm
53 Skip Intro  Aug 13, 2014 5:08:57pm

Looks like the Tea Party now has its own army.

54 Stanley Sea  Aug 13, 2014 5:09:19pm

re: #52 Lidane

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Brave.

55 klys  Aug 13, 2014 5:09:35pm
56 ObserverArt  Aug 13, 2014 5:10:06pm

Damn the reporting on this is not good tonight. Folks are getting pissed because the police chief said they could peacefully protest during the day. Now some are getting arrested and it is not yet getting dark. This is going to piss off the people and they will stand ground, most likely after dark too.

The chief is talking out his ass so much, I wonder if he is in control. And that is very similar to the breakdown in the ranks of the Ohio Guard at Kent State. This is a three- or more headed monster.

57 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Aug 13, 2014 5:10:21pm

Lots of bad information on Twitter:

Rumor of state senator being arrested is false.

58 b.d.  Aug 13, 2014 5:10:39pm

When is Ferguson going to ask for Putin’s help?

59 Targetpractice  Aug 13, 2014 5:11:30pm

re: #55 klys

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Arresting reporters and arresting protesters. Now all we need is some guy getting arrested for yelling “Fuck the police!” and we’ve hit the First Amendment trifecta.

60 Rightwingconspirator  Aug 13, 2014 5:12:20pm

re: #50 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

The next police would be exactly the same, if the political leadership and prosecutors didn’t change.

It’s hard to imagine a PD being taken down without a big change in the leadership. It would be like trying to change socks without removing the shoe first.

61 klys  Aug 13, 2014 5:12:30pm

re: #59 Targetpractice

Arresting reporters and arresting protesters. Now all we need is some guy getting arrested for yelling “Fuck the police!” and we’ve hit the First Amendment trifecta.

Yes, although all of this is being sourced through Twitter so the typical grain of salt, etc.

62 ninja cat  Aug 13, 2014 5:12:30pm

This is so wrong, so damn shameful. I keep saying to myself ‘I can’t fucking believe this is happening’ and the cats are ignoring me. I need some nicotine.

63 Charles Johnson  Aug 13, 2014 5:12:51pm

Every single cop I’ve seen so far is white.

64 Lidane  Aug 13, 2014 5:13:33pm
65 ObserverArt  Aug 13, 2014 5:13:35pm

re: #59 Targetpractice

Arresting reporters and arresting protesters. Now all we need is some guy getting arrested for yelling “Fuck the police!” and we’ve hit the First Amendment trifecta.

They need some damn “Don’t Tread on Me” flags.

/// I’m getting pissed…the dude in the crowd reporting on Hayes show is saying much mistrust in the crowd because they think the police are just fucking with them. Toxic brewery.

66 b.d.  Aug 13, 2014 5:13:45pm

re: #59 Targetpractice

Arresting reporters and arresting protesters. Now all we need is some guy getting arrested for yelling “Fuck the police!” and we’ve hit the First Amendment trifecta.

Well, we sure as hell don’t to have someone yell “FIRE” right now.

67 Cassidy  Aug 13, 2014 5:13:49pm

re: #63 Charles Johnson

Every single cop I’ve seen so far is white.

One of the twitter pics in this thread had an AA cop with a riot shield. ETA: comment 36

68 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Aug 13, 2014 5:13:52pm

Fuck the* police. Srsly.

* not in general

69 wrenchwench  Aug 13, 2014 5:14:28pm

re: #63 Charles Johnson

Every single cop I’ve seen so far is white.

Tiny black cop in a tweet in #36.

70 klys  Aug 13, 2014 5:14:28pm

re: #67 Cassidy

One of the twitter pics in this thread had an AA cop with a riot shield.

Yep, in #36.

71 klys  Aug 13, 2014 5:14:49pm

re: #69 wrenchwench

Same time even.

72 DodgerFan1988  Aug 13, 2014 5:15:11pm

The same conservative wingnuts that’s been screaming about militarized police trying to take away their guns are now cheering for them to squash the protesters in Ferguson. freerepublic.com

73 Lidane  Aug 13, 2014 5:15:25pm
74 b.d.  Aug 13, 2014 5:15:34pm

Where are all of the brave Teabagger’s who were ready to defend this nation during a situation like this?

Oh that’s right, I forgot the color of the oppressed.

75 Kragar  Aug 13, 2014 5:15:35pm
76 Charles Johnson  Aug 13, 2014 5:15:50pm

re: #69 wrenchwench

Tiny black cop in a tweet in #36.

One very lonely cop.

77 TedStriker  Aug 13, 2014 5:16:01pm

re: #56 ObserverArt

Damn the reporting on this is not good tonight. Folks are getting pissed because the police chief said they could peacefully protest during the day. Now some are getting arrested and it is not yet getting dark. This is going to piss off the people and they will stand ground, most likely after dark too.

The chief is talking out his ass so much, I wonder if he is in control. And that is very similar to the breakdown in the ranks of the Ohio Guard at Kent State. This is a three- or more headed monster.

I’ve got a bad feeling about this…

78 klys  Aug 13, 2014 5:16:25pm
79 Lidane  Aug 13, 2014 5:16:28pm

re: #72 DodgerFan1988

The same conservative wingnuts that’s been screaming about militarized police trying to take away their guns are now cheering for them to squash the protesters in Ferguson. freerepublic.com

Of course they are. Did you think the Bill of Rights applied to minorities?

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80 ObserverArt  Aug 13, 2014 5:16:43pm

ACLU dude on All In is saying they are counting the civil rights violations and already think #1 Amendment is busted and they are calling on the police to follow the law on assembly.

81 Kragar  Aug 13, 2014 5:17:04pm
82 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 13, 2014 5:17:08pm

re: #63 Charles Johnson

Every single cop I’ve seen so far is white.

There is at least one black Ferguson cop in photos. There are three total, I think (two are women IIRC).

83 Lidane  Aug 13, 2014 5:17:16pm
84 Rightwingconspirator  Aug 13, 2014 5:17:55pm

It’s going to be a long tough night. re: #78 klys

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awwww shit. “Keep pushing and we will push bacK”

For gods sake don’t.

85 Targetpractice  Aug 13, 2014 5:18:21pm

re: #75 Kragar

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It’s like the worst chapters of the Civil Rights Movement, white cops in riot gear against peaceful black protestors.

86 De Kolta Chair  Aug 13, 2014 5:18:25pm

Let me guess, the Tsarnaev brothers are on the loose again? ////

87 b.d.  Aug 13, 2014 5:18:25pm

re: #72 DodgerFan1988

The same conservative wingnuts that’s been screaming about militarized police trying to take away their guns are now cheering for them to squash the protesters in Ferguson. freerepublic.com

To: BuckeyeTexan
That’s the attitude we need on the border.

5 posted on 8/13/2014 6:57:56 PM by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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No irony in that sigline, no siree Bob.
What a bunch of crazed lunatics.

88 Rightwingconspirator  Aug 13, 2014 5:18:48pm

Do we need federal troops to separate the antagonists?

89 Lidane  Aug 13, 2014 5:19:26pm
90 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Aug 13, 2014 5:19:29pm

re: #72 DodgerFan1988

Actually, a few are mentioning the “police state” and freedom of assembly.

91 klys  Aug 13, 2014 5:19:33pm
92 Kragar  Aug 13, 2014 5:20:01pm

re: #88 Rightwingconspirator

Do we need federal troops to separate the antagonists?

At this point, I’m about ready to try resurrecting Sherman for this bullshit

93 Skip Intro  Aug 13, 2014 5:21:00pm

re: #72 DodgerFan1988

The same conservative wingnuts that’s been screaming about militarized police trying to take away their guns are now cheering for them to squash the protesters in Ferguson. freerepublic.com

Jackbooted thugs are fine as long as they’re our jackbooted thugs.

Say what you will about Freepers, but they are totally consistent in a completely inconsistent way.

94 TedStriker  Aug 13, 2014 5:22:00pm

re: #10 Charles Johnson

Wow - the governor of Missouri is totally disconnected from what’s going down in #Ferguson. @Gus_802 @GovJayNixon @officialSPS

— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) August 13, 2014

For a Democrat, Nixon’s completely fucking this situation up like a Southern Republican.

I should know, living in TN as I do.

95 ObserverArt  Aug 13, 2014 5:22:01pm

re: #88 Rightwingconspirator

Do we need federal troops to separate the antagonists?

Hate to say it, but they might hit that point tonight. How close is the Army Reserve or Nat Guard base? I would imagine St. Louis would have one in the area. I would think arrangements are being considered.

96 urbanmeemaw  Aug 13, 2014 5:22:10pm

I was listening to a BBC documentary on the history of soul music while reading here. The segment featured the late 60’s and the riots and closed with Marvin Gaye’s “What’s Going On”? as I scrolled through the Twitter feeds on this post. This is sad to say, but none of this shocks me. The police’s actions - the reactions of the vile hate mongers - these are not new phenomena. Thank you, Charles, for staying on this story. I’m also thankful for the brave reporters and the city alderman who at this point are risking their lives covering this story. There are a few good people left in journalism.

And totally off topic Backwoods Sleuth, but I just saw your post downstairs and wanted to send you and your family prayers and hugs in a live thread. {{{Sleuth Family}}}.

97 De Kolta Chair  Aug 13, 2014 5:22:58pm

For the record, I have several friends who are cops and they’re really cool people, but in times like this I always remember my grand da telling me in the 1960’s that “Just because 99% of them are assholes doesn’t mean the whole barrel is rotten.” I’ve told that story to my cop friends and they just nod their heads at that kernel of truth.

Come to think of it, I’ve related what grand da Patty said to dozens of cops over the years and they always nod, and not just the Irish ones.

98 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 13, 2014 5:23:16pm

re: #73 Lidane

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Y’all might not know it about me, but I’m the kind of person who would be politely all not saying fuck you, but organizing a block party pulling out the grills and coolers, organizing games for the kids, playing dance music (at a reasonable volume), etc. etc. etc.
OK, more like a polite “fuck you very much, this is OUR street…you can join in the enjoyment or just head on outta here.”

99 thedopefishlives  Aug 13, 2014 5:23:49pm
“Your right to assembly is not being denied.”

Just saying that won’t make it true, folks.

Evening again, Lizardim.

100 Lidane  Aug 13, 2014 5:24:11pm

re: #88 Rightwingconspirator

Do we need federal troops to separate the antagonists?

And rile up the Teabaggers who are chomping at the bit to shoot the feds? What do you think all those rednecks will do if Obama sends federal troops to stop the local cops from harassing blah people?

101 TedStriker  Aug 13, 2014 5:24:47pm

re: #25 Stanley Sea

Anyone monitoring policeone? Bet there’s some great screenshots.

Oh, I’m sure it’s chock-o-block full of what passes for “war porn” over there right now.

102 Targetpractice  Aug 13, 2014 5:24:55pm

“Your freedom of assembly is not being denied. We’re just going to arrest you if you try to exercise it. No hard feelings.”

103 Charles Johnson  Aug 13, 2014 5:26:34pm
104 Kragar  Aug 13, 2014 5:27:14pm
105 Lidane  Aug 13, 2014 5:27:20pm
106 TedStriker  Aug 13, 2014 5:27:25pm

re: #34 Charles Johnson

Is that an LRAD weapon on top of that armored vehicle, or some kind of shield?

I believe someone ID’d it as an LRAD within the last couple of threads.

107 lawhawk  Aug 13, 2014 5:27:51pm

So, local cops and BLM backed down when heavily armed white militiamen pointed all manner of firearms at them when they came a knocking on Cliven Bundy’s ranch for his multiple violations of federal law (trespassing and refusing to pay grazing fees).

Here, in Ferguson, you’ve got the St. Louis County police and the Ferguson PD aiming all manner of firearms at peaceably assembled black people who are protesting the death of a young black man from their community who was killed at the hands of a Ferguson police officer.

No, there’s no disconnect there at all. None at all. No stacked deck. No racial imbalance. No racial profiling. Nope. Nothing to see.

The MO governor apparently thinks this is all going swimmingly well, and that county and local police pointing their weapons at peaceably assembled citizens is acceptable behavior. Instead of calling on the PDs, especially the county police, to back off, they’re moving in like the very jack booted thugs that the right wing extremists think are coming after them.

And those same right wing nutters will say that not without the slightest irony given that they are racists themselves.

108 Lidane  Aug 13, 2014 5:28:09pm
109 thedopefishlives  Aug 13, 2014 5:28:25pm

re: #103 Charles Johnson

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The hell is this, China? We don’t arrest reporters here!

110 Rightwingconspirator  Aug 13, 2014 5:29:00pm

re: #90 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

Actually, a few are mentioning the “police state” and freedom of assembly.

Reporters being arrested and a NOTAM banning overflights makes a pretty good case that the police there are imposing a police state. Cameras are now seen as instruments of criminality by the police in Ferguson. They got the guns.

re: #100 Lidane

And rile up the Teabaggers who are chomping at the bit to shoot the feds? What do you think all those rednecks will do if Obama sends federal troops to stop the local cops from harassing blah people?

I would not let any worries about teabaggers stop anything that needs doing. They can be hauled off to jail along with some police. Actually I think they would just stay home. This ain’t Bundy ranch.

111 SteveMcGazi  Aug 13, 2014 5:29:58pm

Forgive me for going OT, but what’s happening to the internet the last few days? There is a link, foxbusiness.com but I didn’t hear of any of this coming and I don’t know how long this may last. Do any techy lizards know anything?

112 thedopefishlives  Aug 13, 2014 5:31:34pm

So here we have a situation the wingnuts only dream of: The police are violating innocent peoples’ rights by force of arms, imposing a police state upon the citizens of Ferguson. Where the hell are all the “good guys with guns” who are supposed to be violently resisting and overthrowing the evil government? Oh, right, black people, I’m sorry.

113 Swift2991  Aug 13, 2014 5:31:49pm

Edmund Pettis Bridge. Seriously.

114 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Aug 13, 2014 5:32:01pm

Will a single media conservative condemn what is happening as a govt/statist/whatever overreach? Or is it within the state’s rights, plus against “thugs” (wink wink nudge nudge), so not only will they all agree with the police actions, but will be against any federal interference as contradicting the states’ rights?

115 Targetpractice  Aug 13, 2014 5:33:01pm

re: #114 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

Will a single media conservative condemn what is happening as a govt/statist/whatever overreach? Or is it with the state’s rights, plus against “thugs” (wink wink nudge nudge), so not only will they all agree with the police actions, but will be against any federal interference as contradicting the states’ rights?

They’ve picked option three: Just ignore it and hope it goes away.

116 lawhawk  Aug 13, 2014 5:33:10pm

re: #34 Charles Johnson

Yes, I think Kragar identified it as such a few threads back. [update] - it was goddamnedfrank. Sorry about the misattribution.

117 ObserverArt  Aug 13, 2014 5:33:25pm

re: #112 thedopefishlives

So here we have a situation the wingnuts only dream of: The police are violating innocent peoples’ rights by force of arms, imposing a police state upon the citizens of Ferguson. Where the hell are all the “good guys with guns” who are supposed to be violently resisting and overthrowing the evil government? Oh, right, black people, I’m sorry.

I’m pretty sure the NRA sees the guys with the guns as the good guys. Matter of fact, they are such good guys they are equipment like an army of a small country.

I can hear Wayne La PU saying “Good job boys!”

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118 TedStriker  Aug 13, 2014 5:33:38pm

re: #82 Backwoods_Sleuth

There is at least one black Ferguson cop in photos. There are three total, I think (two are women IIRC).

It wouldn’t surprise me if they keep the black female officers in the booking room on matron duty and not out in the field.

119 goddamnedfrank  Aug 13, 2014 5:34:01pm

Generally, scoping a cop or game warden is considered a felony offense. It’s one of the things they teach in hunter safety courses. Why are cops allowed to scope unarmed protesters, how is that not a crime?

120 BeachDem  Aug 13, 2014 5:34:13pm

I have to take a break. Those photos at the top of the thread have completely unnerved me.

Put this at the end of the last thread, but thought I’d throw it here as well. The incident, the aftermath, the coverup—so many similarities. We’re going backward I fear.

orangeburgmassacre.com

121 Targetpractice  Aug 13, 2014 5:34:31pm

re: #112 thedopefishlives

So here we have a situation the wingnuts only dream of: The police are violating innocent peoples’ rights by force of arms, imposing a police state upon the citizens of Ferguson. Where the hell are all the “good guys with guns” who are supposed to be violently resisting and overthrowing the evil government? Oh, right, black people, I’m sorry.

Personally, I’d be scared to be seen by these guys while brandishing so much as a pocket knife. Last thing I’d want is to a spot in the history books as the guy who sparked off the 21st century Kent State shootings.

122 Lidane  Aug 13, 2014 5:34:56pm

re: #112 thedopefishlives

Oh, right, black people, I’m sorry.

EXACTLY. And now we see the teabagger hypocrisy laid bare. Ferguson is exactly the kind of shit they’ve been crying about since 2008, but because it’s happening to black people they’re cheering it on.

123 wrenchwench  Aug 13, 2014 5:35:00pm

The building I have my shop in was owned by a woman from the St. Louis area from the time she inherited it (her grandfather built it) until she died a couple of years ago. I didn’t know much about her untli she died and I read some obituaries and heard stories from her nephew, who inherited my building from her.

She was mayor of Ladue for 20 years. She tried to ban cohabitation in Ladue. She tried to make a resident remove a political lawn sign she didn’t like. That case went to the Supreme Court, where the mayor lost.

I told this to a customer who turned out to also be from that area. I told her the story from my landlady’s nephew about when he visited her and they went to the Shake Shack. Turns out my customer had worked at the Shake Shack, but said, ‘If they had known I was Jewish, I never would have been hired. That’s what Ladue is like.’

So I figure the reason those cops have to be so hard in Ferguson is to avoid and spillover to Ladue.

124 goddamnedfrank  Aug 13, 2014 5:35:47pm

re: #116 lawhawk

Yes, I think Kragar identified it as such a few threads back.

That was me. It’s an LRAD 300X-RE. Its primary purpose is crowd communications / issuing orders over distance, but it does have an active denial setting.

125 Franklin  Aug 13, 2014 5:35:59pm

Needs more retweets

126 b.d.  Aug 13, 2014 5:36:33pm

DON’T TREAD ON ME*

*Void if not white

127 klys  Aug 13, 2014 5:36:58pm
128 Kragar  Aug 13, 2014 5:37:35pm
129 thedopefishlives  Aug 13, 2014 5:37:56pm

re: #127 klys

Somehow I think the thought that actually went through the chief’s head was more like, “Oh shit.”

130 Stanley Sea  Aug 13, 2014 5:38:14pm

re: #125 Franklin Brewsevelt

Needs more retweets

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I just called her office & left a vm. Old school.

131 Kragar  Aug 13, 2014 5:38:57pm

Fucking moron

132 klys  Aug 13, 2014 5:38:59pm

re: #129 thedopefishlives

Somehow I think the thought that actually went through the chief’s head was more like, “Oh shit.”

Oh, probably.

He’s probably got a bigger headache than I do right now.

On the other hand, his actions have contributed to the situation here, so my sympathy is limited.

133 Targetpractice  Aug 13, 2014 5:39:04pm

re: #127 klys

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Yeah, I imagine the chief is gonna need to order his brown pants now. Arresting reporters is bad enough. Being caught on camera doing it? That’s a good way to end a career.

134 Lidane  Aug 13, 2014 5:39:25pm
135 bratwurst  Aug 13, 2014 5:39:28pm
136 thedopefishlives  Aug 13, 2014 5:39:48pm

re: #121 Targetpractice

Personally, I’d be scared to be seen by these guys while brandishing so much as a pocket knife. Last thing I’d want is to a spot in the history books as the guy who sparked off the 21st century Kent State shootings.

I thought about what might happen if I was down there right now. No doubt I’d be out there with the protesters, and it made me wonder what the police would say to me, being a white guy supporting them uppity black people.

137 Charles Johnson  Aug 13, 2014 5:40:46pm
138 thedopefishlives  Aug 13, 2014 5:40:50pm

re: #133 Targetpractice

Yeah, I imagine the chief is gonna need to order his brown pants now. Arresting reporters is bad enough. Being caught on camera doing it? That’s a good way to end a career.

It’ll end a career anywhere else. It remains to be seen how things are going to play out here.

139 klys  Aug 13, 2014 5:41:06pm

re: #137 Charles Johnson

140 EPR-radar  Aug 13, 2014 5:41:08pm

re: #120 BeachDem

I have to take a break. Those photos at the top of the thread have completely unnerved me.

Put this at the end of the last thread, but thought I’d throw it here as well. The incident, the aftermath, the coverup—so many similarities. We’re going backward I fear.

orangeburgmassacre.com

Thanks for the link. A while back I looked into the Kent State shootings more closely, and the main impression that has lingered is that Kent State made a big impression because the people killed weren’t the kind of people ordinarily killed by police for protesting (i.e., they were white and not poor/homeless/mentally ill).

141 Lidane  Aug 13, 2014 5:41:16pm
142 Targetpractice  Aug 13, 2014 5:41:33pm

re: #138 thedopefishlives

It’ll end a career anywhere else. It remains to be seen how things are going to play out here.

Oh, if doesn’t end a career, it’s certainly going to lead to one or more cops getting their asses chewed out. Not for arresting reporters, but for getting caught doing it.

143 EPR-radar  Aug 13, 2014 5:41:50pm

re: #134 Lidane

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Brazil came close, but Ferguson now has it beat.

144 Franklin  Aug 13, 2014 5:42:59pm
145 Targetpractice  Aug 13, 2014 5:43:30pm

re: #139 klys

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Let me guess, Ryan gave the cop who demanded his ID lip and the cop decided that was grounds enough for an arrest.

146 EPR-radar  Aug 13, 2014 5:43:42pm

re: #142 Targetpractice

Oh, if doesn’t end a career, it’s certainly going to lead to one or more cops getting their asses chewed out. Not for arresting reporters, but for getting caught doing it.

How does one arrest a reporter and not get caught doing it? I don’t think we’ve gotten to the point of making inconvenient people disappear forever, even in Ferguson MO.

147 thedopefishlives  Aug 13, 2014 5:43:47pm

re: #144 Franklin Brewsevelt

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148 klys  Aug 13, 2014 5:43:59pm
149 urbanmeemaw  Aug 13, 2014 5:44:14pm

re: #140 EPR-radar

I agree. And I finding it interesting that the murder of African American students at Jackson State around the same time never gets the same media attention as the Kent State shootings do to this day.

150 Charles Johnson  Aug 13, 2014 5:44:34pm
151 TedStriker  Aug 13, 2014 5:44:44pm

re: #108 Lidane

fox’s @seanhannity has been bawling about gov’t “tyranny” for 5 years now. how come he isn’t live from #ferguson? *crickets*

— Oliver Willis (@owillis) August 14, 2014

Because we all know the answer to that: black protestors, white cops.

152 Targetpractice  Aug 13, 2014 5:44:56pm

re: #146 EPR-radar

How does one arrest a reporter and not get caught doing it? I don’t think we’ve gotten to the point of making inconvenient people disappear forever, even in Ferguson MO.

Get the feeling that they didn’t realize these two were reporters.

153 b.d.  Aug 13, 2014 5:45:05pm

re: #144 Franklin Brewsevelt

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Mr. Bezos I believe he is your employee, what say ye? You are the one who wanted in this game.

154 thedopefishlives  Aug 13, 2014 5:45:38pm

re: #150 Charles Johnson

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“I trust we’ve made our point clear. Now leave before we have to bring you back in.”

155 Rightwingconspirator  Aug 13, 2014 5:45:38pm

re: #134 Lidane

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Nice catch. You and I do see some things differently. We are on the same page today.

156 wrenchwench  Aug 13, 2014 5:45:56pm

re: #140 EPR-radar

Thanks for the link. A while back I looked into the Kent State shootings more closely, and the main impression that has lingered is that Kent State made a big impression because the people killed weren’t the kind of people ordinarily killed by police for protesting (i.e., they were white and not poor/homeless/mentally ill).

Eleven days after Kent State, two were killed and 12 were wounded at Jackson State. Somehow not as well remembered….

A group of around a hundred African-American students had gathered …..

157 Lidane  Aug 13, 2014 5:46:00pm
158 Kragar  Aug 13, 2014 5:46:07pm
159 Minor_L  Aug 13, 2014 5:46:27pm
160 thedopefishlives  Aug 13, 2014 5:46:51pm

re: #157 Lidane

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Jesus Christ. It’s like Ferguson combed police departments across the US and hired away the worst cops out of every single one.

161 urbanmeemaw  Aug 13, 2014 5:46:56pm

re: #150 Charles Johnson

I heard Roland Martin interview Wesley this morning on the Tom Joyner Morning show. One of Wesley’s points was that many people had shot video of the shooting but did not want to give it to the Ferguson Police because they didn’t trust them..

162 BeachDem  Aug 13, 2014 5:47:13pm

re: #140 EPR-radar

Thanks for the link. A while back I looked into the Kent State shootings more closely, and the main impression that has lingered is that Kent State made a big impression because the people killed weren’t the kind of people ordinarily killed by police for protesting (i.e., they were white and not poor/homeless/mentally ill).

Yeah—Orangeburg was merely black college students, so whatevah//

I had never heard of it until I met Bakari Sellers, the son of the only person arrested at Orangeburg (Bakari’s running for Lt. Gov.) I’m not from South Carolina originally, and I’m guessing most of the “folks” around these parts don’t talk about it much, but after hearing Bakari tell his dad’s story, I started reading about it and was astounded that I had never heard about it. It was before Kent State, but as you say, the people killed weren’t white so…

BTW—his dad, Cleveland Sellers, received a full pardon 25 years after the fact, but turned it down.

163 lawhawk  Aug 13, 2014 5:47:20pm

So, the police chief now suddenly realizes that he’s up the creek without a paddle after his cops arrested two journalists for doing nothing more than what they are constitutionally allowed to do - peaceably assembly and to report on events (freedom of assembly and freedom of press, 1st Amendment, you might have heard of it).

This town needs an enema. In more ways than one.

164 EPR-radar  Aug 13, 2014 5:47:33pm

re: #152 Targetpractice

Get the feeling that they didn’t realize these two were reporters.

The astounding incompetence of the Ferguson police department proceeds apace.

Police departments should treat all arrests as if the arrestee is a reporter and/or rich enough to make a wrongful arrest suit painful for the department.

This crap of one set of laws for some people and other laws for other people has to end ASAP.

165 De Kolta Chair  Aug 13, 2014 5:47:59pm

Fuck it Jake, it’s Ferguson Town.

166 Charles Johnson  Aug 13, 2014 5:50:28pm
167 thedopefishlives  Aug 13, 2014 5:50:33pm

re: #127 klys

I have to wonder what transpired after he got off the phone with the police chief. Probably something along the lines of, “Get me the yokels that just arrested two guys. Tell them to turn them loose NOW. And then have them report to my office.”

168 Franklin  Aug 13, 2014 5:51:00pm
169 Lidane  Aug 13, 2014 5:51:12pm
170 klys  Aug 13, 2014 5:51:20pm

re: #167 thedopefishlives

I have to wonder what transpired after he got off the phone with the police chief. Probably something along the lines of, “Get me the yokels that just arrested two guys. Tell them to turn them loose NOW. And then have them report to my office.”

171 Kragar  Aug 13, 2014 5:51:20pm
172 Targetpractice  Aug 13, 2014 5:51:36pm

I think Matt Pearce deserves some praise, as it sounds like these two got sprung within minutes of his calling the chief and asking about their arrests.

173 Decatur Deb  Aug 13, 2014 5:51:50pm

re: #113 Swift2991

Edmund Pettis Bridge. Seriously.

No experienced leadership. Yet.

174 De Kolta Chair  Aug 13, 2014 5:52:02pm

re: #160 thedopefishlives

Jesus Christ. It’s like Ferguson combed police departments across the US and hired away the worst cops out of every single one.

The Phoenix PD might have a beef with that contention.

175 Lidane  Aug 13, 2014 5:52:11pm
176 b.d.  Aug 13, 2014 5:52:11pm

OT but I am thoroughly disgusted by this when I bothered to look up his account:
twitter.com

Jeff Bezos followed James O’Keefe, James Woods, Bentley Motors and 4 others

Follow
James O’Keefe
@JamesOKeefeIII
Journalist, filmmaker. President of @project_veritas. Author of NYT Bestseller Breakthrough: Our Guerrilla War to Expose Fraud and Save…

Follow
James Woods Verified account
@RealJamesWoods

177 thedopefishlives  Aug 13, 2014 5:52:41pm

re: #170 klys

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Serious kudos to Matt Pearce. This whole situation is a clusterfuck of epic proportions.

178 Targetpractice  Aug 13, 2014 5:52:59pm

re: #170 klys

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I think the $64,000 now is “Who the fuck is in command here?” If the local police chief is not calling the shots, then who is?

179 Stanley Sea  Aug 13, 2014 5:53:17pm

re: #156 wrenchwench

Eleven days after Kent State, two were killed and 12 were wounded at Jackson State. Somehow not as well remembered….

Just talked to my 84 yr old Aunt who has seen it all. She’s furious and says its a replay of injustice.

180 Charles Johnson  Aug 13, 2014 5:53:27pm
181 Lidane  Aug 13, 2014 5:53:56pm
182 Minor_L  Aug 13, 2014 5:54:20pm

re: #166 Charles Johnson

This makes me physically ill.

I’m actually pretty scared. I don’t live there, but could this happen anywhere? I don’t even understand how this is happening.

183 De Kolta Chair  Aug 13, 2014 5:54:22pm

re: #178 Targetpractice

I think the $64,000 now is “Who the fuck is in command here?” If the local police chief is not calling the shots, then who is?

By the looks of it, my guess is Ed Meese.

184 nsmith25  Aug 13, 2014 5:54:57pm

re: #166 Charles Johnson

And people wonder why there would be a lack of trust between Law Enforcement and People of Color….

185 Lidane  Aug 13, 2014 5:55:21pm
186 Dr. Matt  Aug 13, 2014 5:55:26pm
187 lawhawk  Aug 13, 2014 5:56:41pm

re: #168 Franklin Brewsevelt

188 Stanley Sea  Aug 13, 2014 5:56:44pm

re: #170 klys

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As he bites into his meatloaf.

189 thedopefishlives  Aug 13, 2014 5:57:25pm

re: #182 Minor_L

This makes me physically ill.

I’m actually pretty scared. I don’t live there, but could this happen anywhere? I don’t even understand how this is happening.

No, I don’t think it could. I think it’s a perfect storm of a bunch of racist cops, with heavy weapons and armor, in a racially charged area, with the perfect “excuse” to trigger a racial standoff.

190 EPR-radar  Aug 13, 2014 5:57:49pm

re: #183 De Kolta Chair

By the looks of it, my guess is Ed Meese.

I’m getting a Colonel vibe here. Some bizarre combination of Col. Kurtz and Col. Klink.

191 Charles Johnson  Aug 13, 2014 5:58:36pm
192 Kragar  Aug 13, 2014 5:58:50pm
193 Minor_L  Aug 13, 2014 5:58:51pm

re: #189 thedopefishlives

I wonder if there are other police departments around the country armed like this, just itching to use all this tactical gear. There is no way they’ve been provided appropriate training.

I used to represent cities, and police departments were referred to as paramilitary. But, I never thought I would see THIS.

194 Aunty Entity Dragon  Aug 13, 2014 5:59:35pm

I had to trun off Chris Hayes on MSNBC while I was eating dinner. My spouse was looking in horror at the snipers on the vehicles, and then they started talking about the mentally disabled man shot three times in the back in Los Angeles.

I started crying. Too much. I couldn’t take any more.

My kid turned on an old episode of Dirty Jobs so we could at east choke down our food.

I cannot believe what I am seeing and hearing.

195 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 13, 2014 6:00:12pm
196 lawhawk  Aug 13, 2014 6:00:23pm

re: #178 Targetpractice

I think the $64,000 now is “Who the fuck is in command here?” If the local police chief is not calling the shots, then who is?

Bull Connor.

197 Minor_L  Aug 13, 2014 6:01:47pm

This police force is completely out of control. In retrospect, it’s really not surprising that they shot Michael Brown. They are not within the bounds of normal police activity.

198 HappyWarrior  Aug 13, 2014 6:01:56pm

re: #191 Charles Johnson

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199 urbanmeemaw  Aug 13, 2014 6:02:23pm

re: #196 lawhawk

That’s one of the most dangerous factors right now. No one is in charge. Open season.

200 thedopefishlives  Aug 13, 2014 6:02:37pm

re: #191 Charles Johnson

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These cops are completely off the rails. How is this situation going to be brought under control?

201 Decatur Deb  Aug 13, 2014 6:02:37pm

This is collective punishment for electing a black President. Did you think they were going to go quietly?

202 wrenchwench  Aug 13, 2014 6:03:01pm

Youtube Video

Later, lizards.

203 b.d.  Aug 13, 2014 6:03:21pm

Ah Freepers:

To: BuckeyeTexan
I’m not really sure which side to root for. One one hand, this is the militarized Police State force we’ve been dreading. On the other hand, the protesters/rioters are lawless gibsmedat scum.
Maybe they can eliminate each other?

82 posted on 8/13/2014 7:55:20 PM by Lazamataz (First we beat the Soviet Union. Then we became them.)
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204 Charles Johnson  Aug 13, 2014 6:04:17pm
205 Kragar  Aug 13, 2014 6:04:45pm
206 thedopefishlives  Aug 13, 2014 6:04:55pm

re: #204 Charles Johnson

We’d all vouch for you, but they’ll just dismiss us as fanbois.

207 SteveMcGazi  Aug 13, 2014 6:04:56pm

I wonder what, if anything is going on behind the scenes at the PD. Are they reviewing procedures, seeking help from other departments, or are they just burning overtime and fuel? Where are the adults in the command center?

208 Decatur Deb  Aug 13, 2014 6:05:26pm

re: #203 b.d.

Ah Freepers:

I’m not really sure which side to root for. One one hand, this is the militarized Police State force we’ve been dreading. On the other hand, the protesters/rioters are lawless gibsmedat scum.
Maybe they can eliminate each other?

82 posted on 8/13/2014 7:55:20 PM by Lazamataz (First we beat the Soviet Union. Then we became them.)

Tell ol’ Laz he’s next.

209 Lidane  Aug 13, 2014 6:06:01pm
210 Lidane  Aug 13, 2014 6:06:37pm
211 Charles Johnson  Aug 13, 2014 6:07:19pm
212 SteveMcGazi  Aug 13, 2014 6:07:43pm

re: #210 Lidane

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KaBoom!

213 EPR-radar  Aug 13, 2014 6:08:31pm

re: #209 Lidane

If I were in the unfortunate position of giving legal advice to the crew of morons in charge of Ferguson and their police department, I think I’d skip the settlement discussion and move directly to “how best to flee the country”.

214 HappyWarrior  Aug 13, 2014 6:08:37pm

re: #203 b.d.

Ah Freepers:

Scum. I bet he considers himself a good Christian too.

215 Minor_L  Aug 13, 2014 6:08:39pm

re: #209 Lidane

My boss would call it the Lawyers’ Employment Act.

I shouldn’t joke. I represent public entities, and I would be having a heart attack right now if this were my client.

216 Rightwingconspirator  Aug 13, 2014 6:08:59pm

It would be an interesting pushback if the faces behind the guns were featured in tweets for future reference.

217 Cassidy  Aug 13, 2014 6:09:19pm

They should pass out shirts with “can you read this?” In small script. Underneath it write the names of their children, SO, siblings, etc.

218 Minor_L  Aug 13, 2014 6:09:26pm

re: #203 b.d.

It’s gross, but it’s a rare bout of honesty.

219 urbanmeemaw  Aug 13, 2014 6:09:32pm

I lost the video stream on my computer. Is it my machine or is something more sinister going on?

220 Kragar  Aug 13, 2014 6:09:40pm
221 thedopefishlives  Aug 13, 2014 6:10:22pm

re: #219 urbanmeemaw

I lost the video stream on my computer. Is it my machine or is something more sinister going on?

The fact that you even have to ask that question is depressing.

222 lawhawk  Aug 13, 2014 6:10:44pm

re: #213 EPR-radar

The actions by the Ferguson PD and the county police will cost both tremendously. Who will end up paying?

The people who are currently having guns pointed at them.

Those who are responsible for this mess - the mayor, the police chief, and the county police chief aren’t going to pay.

223 thedopefishlives  Aug 13, 2014 6:10:48pm

re: #213 EPR-radar

If I were in the unfortunate position of giving legal advice to this crew of morons in charge of Ferguson and their police department, I think I’d skip the settlement discussion and move directly to “how best to flee the country”.

I hear Russia is in the market for some good jackbooted thugs right now.

224 SteveMcGazi  Aug 13, 2014 6:11:13pm

re: #219 urbanmeemaw

I lost the video stream on my computer. Is it my machine or is something more sinister going on?

I had to disable flash to access a website because something funny is going on with the internet the last couple days:

foxbusiness.com

225 thedopefishlives  Aug 13, 2014 6:11:59pm

re: #210 Lidane

Oh, damn.

226 urbanmeemaw  Aug 13, 2014 6:12:07pm

re: #221 thedopefishlives

Sigh. I hear you. But to be “fair and balanced” I have an old PC and I’m not enough of a techno person to try to figure out what’s going on with my stream.

227 Targetpractice  Aug 13, 2014 6:12:07pm

Freepers are flitting between expressing shock, concern, and rationalizing away their support of the very jackbooted thugs they live in constant fear of on any other given day.

228 Decatur Deb  Aug 13, 2014 6:12:20pm

Guess none of the St Louis area cops are Constitution-lovin’ Oathkeepers.

229 EPR-radar  Aug 13, 2014 6:12:30pm

re: #222 lawhawk

The actions by the Ferguson PD and the county police will cost both tremendously. Who will end up paying?

The people who are currently having guns pointed at them.

Those who are responsible for this mess - the mayor, the police chief, and the county police chief aren’t going to pay.

This is the kind of legal inequity that badly needs to end —- some personal financial responsibility for those at the top would make a big difference.

230 urbanmeemaw  Aug 13, 2014 6:14:15pm

re: #224 SteveMcGazi

Wow! Interesting article. Thanks.

231 Franklin  Aug 13, 2014 6:15:24pm
232 Rightwingconspirator  Aug 13, 2014 6:15:36pm

Al Jaz is on this BTW. Worth watching unlike Chicken Noodle News.

233 Targetpractice  Aug 13, 2014 6:15:55pm

re: #229 EPR-radar

This is the kind of legal inequity that badly needs to end —- some personal financial responsibility for those at the top would make a big difference.

I get the feeling that’s why there’s a decentralized command, with the Ferguson police chief not being in overall command of what’s going on in his backyard. If the people getting roughed up and arrested sue, then he can plead ignorance and say he had no idea this was happening. And with the cops purposefully concealing their faces and either not wearing name tags or having them concealed, they’re making sure no names can be connected with departments.

234 lawhawk  Aug 13, 2014 6:16:32pm

Where did the money come from for the county PD to have those vehicles we see prominently in the photos above? It came from a DHS grant.

The reasoning behind having those vehicles? This is rich:

The role of local law enforcement changed drastically after 9/11 with the creation of the Department of Homeland Security and a slew of new mandates designed to help such agencies deal with possible terrorist threats.

Belmar explained that these mandates meant the acquisition of lot of new gear over the past decade, but the county lacked a mobile home for all these items. The equipment truck was manufactured by Farber Specialty Vehicles and is designed to be exactly that.

“It gives us the ability to have 100 percent of our equipment with us if we were to encounter an active shooter, mass casualty event or even a chemical, biological or nuclear event,” he said.

The equipment covers a wide range of tools, including robots of various sizes, breathing apparatus, protective suits and instruments for the county’s “cut team.” It also can serve as staging center during emergencies.

“We can have it where the tactical operations team is, so we have a very small command post within the truck,” Belmar said. “It really gives us the ability to satisfy the mandate to respond as effectively as possible.”

The second vehicle is a “Bearcat” armored truck that has a unique feature. Attached to the roof of the plated body is a platform that can be elevated up to 17 feet, something that Belmar said no other law enforcement agency in the Midwest has right now.

“It allows us to put officers on the second floor of a building immediately, and we can get inside the fuselage of an airliner,” he said. “If we don’t have something like this, it’s going to make a bad day worse.”

The tough truck is capable of withstanding impacts from a .50 caliber machine gun and will be considered a regional asset, available for use by the St. Louis SWAT team and other agencies if necessary.

Nowhere does it say that the equipment gives them the right to point all that gear at unarmed citizens demonstrating peacefully. They are using gear that they got via a grant ostensibly to improve response should they be subject to a terror attack to crowd control.

This is by definition disproportionate use of force.

235 SteveMcGazi  Aug 13, 2014 6:16:35pm

re: #232 Rightwingconspirator

Al Jaz is on this BTW. Worth watching unlike Chicken Noodle News.

Can you imagine the Russia Today coverage?

236 klys  Aug 13, 2014 6:17:14pm
237 TedStriker  Aug 13, 2014 6:18:05pm

re: #127 klys

I just called Ferguson police chief to ask about @WesleyLowery and @ryanjreilly, told him what I knew. His response: “Oh, God.”

— Matt Pearce (@mattdpearce) August 14, 2014

Ferguson chief tells me he was looking into the @WesleyLowery and @ryanjreilly situation; they had both interviewed him earlier today.

— Matt Pearce (@mattdpearce) August 14, 2014

To clarify: The “oh, God” was delivered in a tone of shock.

— Matt Pearce (@mattdpearce) August 14, 2014

Fucking busted and he knew it.

238 thedopefishlives  Aug 13, 2014 6:19:52pm

re: #231 Franklin Brewsevelt

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Edward Snowden was unavailable for comment. (He was due for his nightly Putin boot-licking.)

239 Lidane  Aug 13, 2014 6:20:33pm
240 abolitionist  Aug 13, 2014 6:21:00pm

re: #210 Lidane

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Zing!

241 EPR-radar  Aug 13, 2014 6:21:27pm

re: #233 Targetpractice

I get the feeling that’s why there’s a decentralized command, with the Ferguson police chief not being in overall command of what’s going on in his backyard. If the people getting roughed up and arrested sue, then he can plead ignorance and say he had no idea this was happening. And with the cops purposefully concealing their faces and either not wearing name tags or having them concealed, they’re making sure no names can be connected with departments.

As always, CYA extends far beyond what any rational risk assessment would lead to. The police brass are legally and financially untouchable. Thus the only apparent motive for running this stupid circus in quasi black-ops mode is to make responsibility for this clusterfuck less clear.

This is pointless and self-defeating because the quasi black-ops by itself is going to badly damage the reputations of all involved.

Are they really so incompetent as to not see this?

242 Rightwingconspirator  Aug 13, 2014 6:21:36pm

re: #235 SteveMcGazi

Can you imagine the Russia Today coverage?

Oh, ugh.

243 Lidane  Aug 13, 2014 6:23:29pm
244 SteveMcGazi  Aug 13, 2014 6:24:11pm

re: #243 Lidane

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One’s armed, the other isn’t.

245 Kilroy01  Aug 13, 2014 6:24:36pm

re: #241 EPR-radar

Are they really so incompetent as to not see this?

If you have to ask.. You already know the answer.

246 klys  Aug 13, 2014 6:25:14pm
247 De Kolta Chair  Aug 13, 2014 6:25:24pm

re: #235 SteveMcGazi

Can you imagine the Russia Today coverage?

Speaking of which, this is a perfect opportunity for Messr. Greenwald to show his true mettle as a journalist.

[Cue audio of Brazilian crickets]

248 Targetpractice  Aug 13, 2014 6:25:38pm

re: #244 SteveMcGazi

One’s armed, the other isn’t.

I get the feeling the fact that these peaceful protestors are not armed is the only thing keeping the cops from throwing caution to the wind and arresting them wholesale.

249 allegro  Aug 13, 2014 6:25:53pm

That young man in the turquoise shirt sure brings out the cougar in me. Hot bod on that sweet man. Ooof.

I know, I know. Just a little break in the tension.

250 Decatur Deb  Aug 13, 2014 6:26:05pm

re: #244 SteveMcGazi

One’s armed, the other isn’t.

And one has Tiananmen-sized balls and the other doesn’t.

251 lawhawk  Aug 13, 2014 6:26:18pm

re: #247 De Kolta Chair

252 Charles Johnson  Aug 13, 2014 6:26:29pm

re: #219 urbanmeemaw

I lost the video stream on my computer. Is it my machine or is something more sinister going on?

It looks like they’ve turned off the live stream.

253 klys  Aug 13, 2014 6:26:56pm

re: #252 Charles Johnson

It looks like they’ve turned off the live stream.

I know of at least one still running but it is not a source I would recommend.

Even for this.

254 Stanley Sea  Aug 13, 2014 6:27:24pm

re: #249 allegro

That young man in the turquoise shirt sure brings out the cougar in me. Hot bod on that sweet man. Ooof.

I know, I know. Just a little break in the tension.

My break in the tension? Just stumbled upon puffy shirt Seinfeld.

255 ausador  Aug 13, 2014 6:28:32pm

re: #178 Targetpractice

I think the $64,000 now is “Who the fuck is in command here?” If the local police chief is not calling the shots, then who is?

Ferguson chief said at presser that there were three rotating incident commanders, State police, St. Louis county, and highway patrol each take a turn in shifts.

256 klys  Aug 13, 2014 6:28:37pm

re: #249 allegro

That young man in the turquoise shirt sure brings out the cougar in me. Hot bod on that sweet man. Ooof.

I know, I know. Just a little break in the tension.

I took painkillers for the headache. It was a bitch on Sunday and then went away sort of and now seems to have come back and ugh.

But there’s been stitching progress as the lectures have droned on…

257 Franklin  Aug 13, 2014 6:28:47pm

Another tension breaker:

258 Lidane  Aug 13, 2014 6:30:08pm
259 Franklin  Aug 13, 2014 6:30:34pm
260 TedStriker  Aug 13, 2014 6:30:45pm

re: #144 Franklin Brewsevelt

Released without any charges, no paperwork whatsoever

— Wesley Lowery (@WesleyLowery) August 14, 2014

Refusing to give us any names of the officers

— Wesley Lowery (@WesleyLowery) August 14, 2014

Of course they are…

261 goddamnedfrank  Aug 13, 2014 6:30:51pm

Sanity buffer: Eight minutes of people saying cocksucker.

Youtube Video

262 Stanley Sea  Aug 13, 2014 6:31:13pm

re: #259 Franklin Brewsevelt

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Good

263 urbanmeemaw  Aug 13, 2014 6:31:23pm

re: #252 Charles Johnson

Thanks for confirming it’s not just me.

264 Lidane  Aug 13, 2014 6:31:28pm
265 McSpiff  Aug 13, 2014 6:33:18pm

re: #264 Lidane

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Those MRAP they have are a hell of a lot better armored than the national guard Humvees were too.

266 EPR-radar  Aug 13, 2014 6:33:21pm

re: #264 Lidane

Of course! Iraq may have had Al Qaida in Iraq and assorted other terrorist groups operating there, but at least there weren’t any ******s .

267 Charles Johnson  Aug 13, 2014 6:33:24pm
268 OhNoZombies!  Aug 13, 2014 6:33:34pm

re: #201 Decatur Deb

This is collective punishment for electing a black President. Did you think they were going to go quietly?

My thoughts exactly.

269 De Kolta Chair  Aug 13, 2014 6:34:13pm

re: #257 Franklin Brewsevelt

Another tension breaker:

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Though I’m a proud grad of the Sun Devil’s rival, the U of A, I heartily salute the Chipinator! Right on bro!

270 thedopefishlives  Aug 13, 2014 6:34:14pm

re: #267 Charles Johnson

I have a sinking feeling that this evening is going to be VERY eventful. And not in a good way.

271 urbanmeemaw  Aug 13, 2014 6:34:21pm

re: #267 Charles Johnson

Glad to see Antonio’s tweets again. I was becoming concerned.

272 Archangelus  Aug 13, 2014 6:34:33pm

re: #264 Lidane

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Bloody hell, he’s seemingly hauling more gear than elite IDF infantry teams usually have when entering hot combat zones…

273 Lidane  Aug 13, 2014 6:34:48pm

My surprise, etc. —

274 Targetpractice  Aug 13, 2014 6:35:11pm

re: #270 thedopefishlives

I have a sinking feeling that this evening is going to be VERY eventful. And not in a good way.

Yeah, I was about to say earlier that the cops wanted people off the streets before nightfall. I think things about about to get…interesting.

275 ObserverArt  Aug 13, 2014 6:35:39pm

re: #134 Lidane

A cop in SWAT gear braying YOUR RIGHT TO ASSEMBLE IS NOT BEING VIOLATED from atop a tank is ludicrous in a way Terry Gilliam couldn’t touch.

As a huge Gilliam fan I had to upding just by pure reflex action.

: )

276 Targetpractice  Aug 13, 2014 6:35:40pm

re: #273 Lidane

My surprise, etc. —

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The New Black Panthers? What, all five of them?

277 Decatur Deb  Aug 13, 2014 6:36:36pm

re: #276 Targetpractice

The New Black Panthers? What, all five of them?

Good way not to become an old Black Panther.

278 urbanmeemaw  Aug 13, 2014 6:37:19pm

re: #276 Targetpractice

Actually only 4. The fifth one was holding the door for a little old lady at a church bingo.

279 EPR-radar  Aug 13, 2014 6:37:20pm

re: #276 Targetpractice

The New Black Panthers? What, all five of them?

RWNJ math turns five into infinity. Also used when inflating crowd counts for RWNJ protests.

280 McSpiff  Aug 13, 2014 6:37:51pm

re: #279 EPR-radar

1,2, Many.

281 Archangelus  Aug 13, 2014 6:37:52pm

re: #276 Targetpractice

The New Black Panthers? What, all five of them?

No, six, one of them was seen with his 8 year old brother, clearly a fresh recruit - don’t you know what this means? A drastic increase of 20%!!!!1eleventy //////

282 Targetpractice  Aug 13, 2014 6:38:02pm

Yes folks, as if the pictures of armed cops facing off against peaceful black people wasn’t enough, we now have the press tying itself in knots because the Black Panthers are on the scene.

No, you didn’t read that wrong and it’s not 1964, it’s 2014.

283 Lidane  Aug 13, 2014 6:38:15pm
284 Charles Johnson  Aug 13, 2014 6:38:22pm
285 Skip Intro  Aug 13, 2014 6:39:08pm

re: #282 Targetpractice

Yes folks, as if the pictures of armed cops facing off against peaceful black people wasn’t enough, we now have the press tying itself in knots because the Black Panthers are on the scene.

No, you didn’t read that wrong and it’s not 1964, it’s 2014.

I await Todd Starnes’ tweet demanding air strikes to take out the terrorists.

286 Archangelus  Aug 13, 2014 6:39:14pm

re: #282 Targetpractice

Yes folks, as if the pictures of armed cops facing off against peaceful black people wasn’t enough, we now have the press Faux News a comedy network imitating actual news tying itself in knots because the Black Panthers are on the scene.

Fixed for greater accuracy.

287 Lidane  Aug 13, 2014 6:39:31pm
288 nsmith25  Aug 13, 2014 6:39:40pm

In 1994 in Lexington KY, my Freshmen year of High School a Lexington-Fayette County officer shot and killed a young man named Tony Sullivan. Tony was hiding in his girlfirends closet in the housing projects, and was in the process of being arrested. He was comming out of the closet with his hands up, unarmed. A white officer shot him in the head and killed him. An investigation by the FBI would conlclude that the shooting was accidental. That didn’t matter in the immediate aftermath. I along with many other people that lived in the projects marched to City hall downtown. Community leaders and more importantly, the LEADERSHIP OF THE CITY AND THE POLICE FORCE, worked together to hear frustrations and to calm the situation. There were no sniper rifles drawn, no rubber bullets or tear gas. The Police did everything that law enforcement in Ferguson is not doing.

Lexington KY today is seen as a very progressive and accepting city. We have an openly gay mayor, and while there are still issues of racial divide here, the Police and Minority communities have built good relationships. Good amounts of the Police force are Minority/Female, including retired Chief of Police Beatty.

Seems hard to believe that for me, 20 years ago I was on the streets of my city after an unarmed black male was killed by a police officer, and things actually were in a better situation than they are now in how its handled.

289 Targetpractice  Aug 13, 2014 6:40:02pm

re: #283 Lidane

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Three cops to arrest one guy? What, are they afraid he’s going to use his camera to take a picture of their bad side?

290 Charles Johnson  Aug 13, 2014 6:41:02pm
291 Eventual Carrion  Aug 13, 2014 6:41:42pm

re: #180 Charles Johnson

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He’s just ranging it in. He just happens to be using that guys skull as the focal point.

292 makeitstop  Aug 13, 2014 6:42:01pm

re: #273 Lidane

My surprise, etc. —

The breaking news on Fox News: not police detaining journos, but New Black Panthers joining protests. I shit you not.

Fox News = Radio Télévision Libre des Mille Collines

Fuckers.

293 Lidane  Aug 13, 2014 6:42:20pm
294 De Kolta Chair  Aug 13, 2014 6:42:48pm

re: #251 lawhawk

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They’re arresting white men now? The MSM is going to
shit a fit now.

295 Kragar  Aug 13, 2014 6:42:56pm
296 thedopefishlives  Aug 13, 2014 6:43:18pm

re: #295 Kragar

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But it’s not 9:00 yet! You promised!

297 ObserverArt  Aug 13, 2014 6:43:49pm

re: #140 EPR-radar

Thanks for the link. A while back I looked into the Kent State shootings more closely, and the main impression that has lingered is that Kent State made a big impression because the people killed weren’t the kind of people ordinarily killed by police for protesting (i.e., they were white and not poor/homeless/mentally ill).

And do not forget the shooting was indiscriminate and harmed students out of the protest going to class and wondering what was going on. One was a ROTC student.

And, similar to what I fear in this case, there was a bad chain of command in the troops. It was legend a rogue Lt. was pissed at the guy flipping him off and ordered the firing. But, the commander claims they were not to shoot. Pass the buck, release an official report, sweep up the details and call it a day.

298 klys  Aug 13, 2014 6:44:09pm

re: #296 thedopefishlives

But it’s not 9:00 yet! You promised!

I have seen one report that a bottle was thrown and this was the response.

299 Lidane  Aug 13, 2014 6:44:31pm

re: #294 De Kolta Chair

They’re arresting white men now? The MSM is going to
shit a fit now.

300 Eventual Carrion  Aug 13, 2014 6:44:39pm

re: #186 Dr. Matt

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Has anyone seen one of a group containing blacks with their hands up but the whites have their hands down?

301 nsmith25  Aug 13, 2014 6:45:21pm

re: #288 nsmith25

302 thedopefishlives  Aug 13, 2014 6:45:48pm

re: #298 klys

I have seen one report that a bottle was thrown and this was the response.

No, that’s not overreacting at all. Excessive use of force? NO SUCH THING!

[Cough.]

303 De Kolta Chair  Aug 13, 2014 6:46:13pm

re: #299 Lidane

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I like this Stereo Williams fellow.

304 Kragar  Aug 13, 2014 6:47:07pm
305 Lidane  Aug 13, 2014 6:47:17pm
306 e e smith  Aug 13, 2014 6:47:21pm

Tear gas and rubber bullets now:

new.livestream.com

307 urbanmeemaw  Aug 13, 2014 6:47:41pm

re: #293 Lidane

And “liberals” more outraged by possible “abuses of privacy” by the NSA than they are about African Americans being gunned down with impunity and peaceful protesters being physically threatened and intimidated. Did that New York Times fanboi notice any jungle encrusted sniper rifles aimed at Greenwald in his heroic quest to bully his critics, I mean, protect our FREEDUMZ?

308 thedopefishlives  Aug 13, 2014 6:47:43pm

In the Book of Ops, Chapter 5, Verse 32: “If someone throws a bottle at you, turn to him the canisters of tear gas also.”

309 Lidane  Aug 13, 2014 6:47:51pm
310 Targetpractice  Aug 13, 2014 6:47:59pm

re: #305 Lidane

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Yep, they were just waiting for an excuse. And some stupid bastard handed it to them on a silver platter.

311 thedopefishlives  Aug 13, 2014 6:48:12pm

re: #305 Lidane

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Wait, WHAT?! They can’t just declare it an illegal assembly, that’s the WHOLE GODDAMN POINT!

312 Kragar  Aug 13, 2014 6:48:30pm
313 nsmith25  Aug 13, 2014 6:48:37pm

re: #305 Lidane

Only because the police are not being peaceful

314 Kilroy01  Aug 13, 2014 6:48:58pm

re: #283 Lidane

If Ryan needs a photo of the officer who “arrested” him he has at least two.

Can’t believe this is happening. Damn I hate not being able to trust the police.

They should all be wearing cameras with live feeds to a server they don’t control.

If the camera goes off they get pulled off the line. If you are going to arm them to this level you need to be able to monitor them.

Grrrrr…

315 Kragar  Aug 13, 2014 6:49:31pm
316 McSpiff  Aug 13, 2014 6:49:34pm
317 ObserverArt  Aug 13, 2014 6:50:13pm

God, some of these tweets read like we are reliving the Ukraine Maiden protests regarding the unidentifiable police/army behind the generic uniforms, vests, helmets and cammo.

Manhandling people off the street, push them around to send a thug message of who is in control and then releasing them without paperwork.

Sounds like the police are relying on ex-Soviet military tactics.

///

318 Aunty Entity Dragon  Aug 13, 2014 6:50:13pm

My God.

What happen to our country.

319 Cassidy  Aug 13, 2014 6:50:22pm

re: #307 urbanmeemaw

I call them liberaltarians.

320 klys  Aug 13, 2014 6:50:59pm

One of the reporters for KSDK.

321 Decatur Deb  Aug 13, 2014 6:51:36pm

re: #310 Targetpractice

Yep, they were just waiting for an excuse. And some stupid bastard handed it to them on a silver platter.

There is always a stupid bastard, except in a well-led, well trained movement. It’s early.

322 Charles Johnson  Aug 13, 2014 6:52:49pm
323 ObserverArt  Aug 13, 2014 6:53:36pm

re: #320 klys

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One of the reporters for KSDK.

I hope they don’t ‘make’ her get out of that car. I’d say no place is safe, all bets off. I hope the people chill and give it up, but keep it up as much as you can. I believe America will be growing sick of this soon. Again, I hope.

324 teleskiguy  Aug 13, 2014 6:54:39pm
325 Skip Intro  Aug 13, 2014 6:55:15pm

re: #323 ObserverArt

There are two Americas now. One of them is having the time of their life tonight.

326 Lidane  Aug 13, 2014 6:55:30pm
327 ausador  Aug 13, 2014 6:55:46pm
328 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 13, 2014 6:55:59pm

#tcot is an open sewer of racism right now. I will spare you the pain.

329 thedopefishlives  Aug 13, 2014 6:56:38pm

Today, for the first time, I am ashamed to be an American. We’re supposed to be better than this. Not that I expect people not to be racist - there will always be idiots - but not an entire police force of racist dickheads wielding heavy weapons and armor.

330 klys  Aug 13, 2014 6:57:07pm

From Monday night, but.

331 Rightwingconspirator  Aug 13, 2014 6:57:11pm

re: #309 Lidane

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Let’s understand how much worse, how much more deadly and awful that would be. I’m not sorry they are staying away. Whatever the reason, damn glad a bunch of yahoos looking for a fight are not on the scene.

…

…

…

Except SWAT I mean.

332 klys  Aug 13, 2014 6:57:49pm

re: #330 klys

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From Monday night, but.

Rather, the incident was on Monday night.

333 TedStriker  Aug 13, 2014 6:58:44pm

re: #305 Lidane

re: #306 e e smith

Tear gas and rubber bullets now:

new.livestream.com

All the cops needed was anything, something, no matter how flimsy or contrived, to get their fucking “playtime” in.

334 Lidane  Aug 13, 2014 6:59:21pm
335 ObserverArt  Aug 13, 2014 7:00:08pm

Later all. I’m heading to the bunker!

Hopefully Ferguson will still be in one piece tomorrow. I’m beat.

336 Lidane  Aug 13, 2014 7:00:19pm

re: #328 Pie-onist Overlord

#tcot is an open sewer of racism right now. I will spare you the pain.

Of course it is. The protesters in Ferguson are black.

If this had happened at Bundy Ranch they’d be outraged.

337 klys  Aug 13, 2014 7:00:34pm
338 Skip Intro  Aug 13, 2014 7:01:18pm

I wonder who is picking up the tab for this show of force? Won’t be surprised at all to see Missouri expect the evil Feds to pay for it.

339 Kragar  Aug 13, 2014 7:02:37pm
340 Decatur Deb  Aug 13, 2014 7:02:44pm

Someone please shake Chief Justice Roberts awake.

341 ausador  Aug 13, 2014 7:03:50pm

Why not, they have their 30 seconds worth of background footage for the anchors soundbite already in the can, right?

342 thedopefishlives  Aug 13, 2014 7:04:23pm

re: #341 ausador

Why not, they have their 30 seconds worth of background footage for the anchors soundbite already in the can, right?

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And now the bad shit is about to come down. Cops have free reign with the media out of the way.

343 Kragar  Aug 13, 2014 7:04:24pm
344 abolitionist  Aug 13, 2014 7:04:56pm

re: #338 Skip Intro

I wonder who is picking up the tab for this show of force? Won’t be surprised at all to see Missouri expect the evil Feds to pay for it.

I’m curious about what the use-it-or-lose-it calendar date was, but I’m too lazy paranoid experienced to bother trying to find out.

345 Lidane  Aug 13, 2014 7:05:23pm

re: #331 Rightwingconspirator

I don’t want the teabagger assholes in Ferguson. They’d start killing people thinking they were doing the cops a favor.

The point is, for all the right wing bleating about ZOMG TYRANNY POLICE STATE GUBMINT OVERREACH over Bundy Ranch, Hobby Lobby and any other number of things, Ferguson is the real deal, but because it’s black people being targeted, the right are cheering it on.

346 Targetpractice  Aug 13, 2014 7:05:58pm

re: #342 thedopefishlives

And now the bad shit is about to come down. Cops have free reign with the media out of the way.

They have their excuse, from the sounds of a bottle was thrown, and now are cracking down on a “riot” in the name of “public safety.” Gotta keep the media out of the way, for their “safety,” of course.

347 Kragar  Aug 13, 2014 7:06:12pm
348 nsmith25  Aug 13, 2014 7:06:40pm
349 Lidane  Aug 13, 2014 7:06:44pm
350 Kilroy01  Aug 13, 2014 7:06:52pm

re: #347 Kragar

Wasn’t that last night?

351 EPR-radar  Aug 13, 2014 7:07:26pm

re: #340 Decatur Deb

Someone please shake Chief Justice Roberts awake.

There’s no money to be made from something like this, so CJ Roberts can’t be bothered.

352 Targetpractice  Aug 13, 2014 7:07:43pm

re: #347 Kragar

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That is one brave son of a bitch.

353 Lidane  Aug 13, 2014 7:08:05pm
354 OhNoZombies!  Aug 13, 2014 7:08:15pm

re: #347 Kragar

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While wearing a USA t-shirt…

355 klys  Aug 13, 2014 7:08:17pm

re: #350 Kilroy01

Wasn’t that last night?

Yep. Check the date on the bottom of the tweet.

356 Kragar  Aug 13, 2014 7:08:33pm

re: #350 Kilroy01

Wasn’t that last night?

Yeah, getting stuff popping up from retweets, sorry

357 Rightwingconspirator  Aug 13, 2014 7:09:08pm

Well now we know about the sound weapon on the MRAP. They are using it. assholes. A peaceful assembly.

358 Lidane  Aug 13, 2014 7:09:35pm
359 Targetpractice  Aug 13, 2014 7:09:39pm

re: #353 Lidane

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Compare to this the wall-to-wall coverage of the Bundy Ranch, where it seemed like they were jockeying for the best spot to film the expected standoff from.

360 Lidane  Aug 13, 2014 7:10:56pm
361 Kragar  Aug 13, 2014 7:11:24pm

Rounds being fired into the crowd

“They are attacking civilians, they are attacking reporters”

362 Gus  Aug 13, 2014 7:11:44pm
363 Jenner7  Aug 13, 2014 7:11:55pm

I am watching this live and bawling. I can’t believe this is happening!

364 thedopefishlives  Aug 13, 2014 7:12:44pm

re: #357 Rightwingconspirator

Well now we know about the sound weapon on the MRAP. They are using it. assholes. A peaceful assembly.

It’s not a peaceful assembly, the police said so.//////

365 Lidane  Aug 13, 2014 7:12:50pm
366 HappyWarrior  Aug 13, 2014 7:13:27pm

re: #362 Gus

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Yep. Sigh.

367 HappyWarrior  Aug 13, 2014 7:13:46pm

re: #365 Lidane

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Can’t wait to see the rationalization for this.

368 Lidane  Aug 13, 2014 7:14:57pm
369 Gus  Aug 13, 2014 7:15:03pm
370 ninja cat  Aug 13, 2014 7:15:24pm

re: #367 HappyWarrior

Can’t wait to see the rationalization for this.

They haven’t provided one for anything else they have done, why start now?

371 abolitionist  Aug 13, 2014 7:15:37pm

re: #367 HappyWarrior

Can’t wait to see the rationalization for this.

*We had to destroy the village to save it*
/

372 Lidane  Aug 13, 2014 7:16:01pm
373 Targetpractice  Aug 13, 2014 7:16:09pm

re: #367 HappyWarrior

Can’t wait to see the rationalization for this.

Thrown bottle. Somebody could have gotten cut trying to clean it up.

///

374 thedopefishlives  Aug 13, 2014 7:16:18pm

Mrs. Fish is siding with the police, saying that “they’re just trying to disperse the protesters before it gets out of their control and they have to call in the National Guard.” I wish I could get her to understand how totally out of proportion their response really is.

375 McSpiff  Aug 13, 2014 7:16:26pm

re: #369 Gus

Seriously sounds like the state or feds need to intervene. Local PD is clearly 100% out of control

376 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 13, 2014 7:16:40pm

re: #350 Kilroy01

Wasn’t that last night?

377 Whack-A-Mole  Aug 13, 2014 7:16:58pm

I am just seething as I sit here watching this livestream. Many someones better lose their jobs over this travesty.

378 Lidane  Aug 13, 2014 7:17:12pm
379 HappyWarrior  Aug 13, 2014 7:17:19pm

re: #372 Lidane

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Agh this feels like a bad dream.

380 thedopefishlives  Aug 13, 2014 7:17:24pm

re: #374 thedopefishlives

She thinks the police are just trying to keep the protesters safe by not letting it develop into a true riot. I wish I could find words to explain it to her.

381 Eventual Carrion  Aug 13, 2014 7:17:34pm

re: #361 Kragar

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Rounds being fired into the crowd

“They are attacking civilians, they are attacking reporters”

Enough wiping their ass with the constitution. The federal government needs to step in.

382 Lidane  Aug 13, 2014 7:17:46pm
383 ausador  Aug 13, 2014 7:17:50pm
384 Targetpractice  Aug 13, 2014 7:17:51pm

re: #375 McSpiff

Seriously sounds like the state or feds need to intervene. Local PD is clearly 100% out of control

That’s just it, it’s not all local PD. You got Ferguson PD, St. Louis City PD, and St. Louis County PD, with all three chiefs rotating command. By the time you’ve untangled who ordered what, it won’t matter anymore.

385 Gus  Aug 13, 2014 7:18:00pm
386 psddluva4evah  Aug 13, 2014 7:18:32pm

SOB, the reporter now is saying that “the Chief” says he’s proud of the restraint of his freakn’ officers

When asked why the severity of the police force, that it’s because there are “good people” in these neighborhoods and they “deserve to be protected”.

WTF!

387 thedopefishlives  Aug 13, 2014 7:18:41pm

re: #385 Gus

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We can clearly see where his sympathies lie. It’s going to take a Federal intervention to put this down.

388 Lidane  Aug 13, 2014 7:19:28pm
389 HappyWarrior  Aug 13, 2014 7:19:47pm

re: #386 psddluva4evah

SOB, the reporter now is saying that “the Chief” says he’s proud of the restraint of his freakn’ officers

When asked why the severity of the police force, that it’s because there are “good people” in these neighborhoods and they “deserve to be protected”.

WTF!

This really is feeling more and more like something out of the Jim Crow era South more that Chief Asshole opens his mouth.

390 Aunty Entity Dragon  Aug 13, 2014 7:20:22pm

I think we will see death before the end of the evening. SWAT has been pumped for this by all appearance.

391 Stanley Sea  Aug 13, 2014 7:20:22pm

re: #386 psddluva4evah

SOB, the reporter now is saying that “the Chief” says he’s proud of the restraint of his freakn’ officers

When asked why the severity of the police force, that it’s because there are “good people” in these neighborhoods and they “deserve to be protected”.

WTF!

Good people v bad people. This is an actual live display of power and racism in America.

392 HappyWarrior  Aug 13, 2014 7:20:31pm

re: #388 Lidane

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Glad McCaskill is doing something. Can’t imagine what would be going on if Senator Legitimate Rape were there.

393 Lidane  Aug 13, 2014 7:20:33pm
394 nsmith25  Aug 13, 2014 7:20:58pm

When you know that shit got real…

395 Targetpractice  Aug 13, 2014 7:21:02pm

re: #392 HappyWarrior

Glad McCaskill is doing something. Can’t imagine what would be going on if Senator Legitimate Rape were there.

Cheering on the cops for putting down a “riot.”

396 Lidane  Aug 13, 2014 7:21:11pm
397 klys  Aug 13, 2014 7:21:12pm

re: #380 thedopefishlives

She thinks the police are just trying to keep the protesters safe by not letting it develop into a true riot. I wish I could find words to explain it to her.

You might point out to her that firing rubber bullets into a crowd that was peacefully demonstrating does not protect them from turning violence.

//

I am doing my small part to try and push back from the spread of misinformation on Twitter by trying to point out bad sources (like Anonymous) and direct a friend to a better source (like Antonio French). That …mostly got the “but it’s accurate” response. Sigh.

398 Charles Johnson  Aug 13, 2014 7:22:03pm
399 Lidane  Aug 13, 2014 7:22:04pm
400 HappyWarrior  Aug 13, 2014 7:22:06pm

re: #395 Targetpractice

Cheering on the cops for putting down a “riot.”

Probably or bitching about DOJ getting involved. Don’t know who MO’s other senator is and what they’re doing.

401 Romantic Heretic  Aug 13, 2014 7:22:20pm

re: #394 nsmith25

When you know that shit got real…

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I don’t know whether to laugh or cry.

402 thedopefishlives  Aug 13, 2014 7:22:54pm

re: #397 klys

You might point out to her that firing rubber bullets into a crowd that was peacefully demonstrating does not protect them from turning violence.

//

I am doing my small part to try and push back from the spread of misinformation on Twitter by trying to point out bad sources (like Anonymous) and direct a friend to a better source (like Antonio French). That …mostly got the “but it’s accurate” response. Sigh.

Mrs. Fish’s next-oldest brother is a police officer, so her sympathies are understandable. The problem is, her brother is a totally different animal from the assholes running the show down in Missouri. I tried telling her about the things the police have said and done that makes their motives suspect, but she handwaved it away.

403 Targetpractice  Aug 13, 2014 7:23:33pm

You’ve got pictures being tweeted and video taken of people holding arms in solidarity and peaceful protesting while a white police chief tells the press that his officers are acting out of the “safety” of the neighborhood.

Mr. Goebbels, please pick up the white courtesy phone.

404 abolitionist  Aug 13, 2014 7:23:55pm

re: #384 Targetpractice

That’s just it, it’s not all local PD. You got Ferguson PD, St. Louis City PD, and St. Louis County PD, with all three chiefs rotating command. By the time you’ve untangled who ordered what, it won’t matter anymore.

A few decades ago, I came across a short but interesting mathematics article. Title was “Period Three Implies Chaos”. Chaos theory was very new at that time.

405 klys  Aug 13, 2014 7:24:03pm

re: #402 thedopefishlives

Mrs. Fish’s next-oldest brother is a police officer, so her sympathies are understandable. The problem is, her brother is a totally different animal from the assholes running the show down in Missouri. I tried telling her about the things the police have said and done that makes their motives suspect, but she handwaved it away.

I suspect that is a losing battle tonight. Unless her brother were to comment on how much overkill this is, it’s probably not going to sink in.

406 paladin183  Aug 13, 2014 7:24:15pm

Hello Lizards! Been a long time since I’ve last logged in. Picked a hell of a time to do so.

As far as I’m concerned, the actions taken tonight by the local police to disperse the protests amount to police brutality, and definitely an excessive use of force (concussion grenades, tear gas and rubber bullets).

On an unrelated note, I’m having problems updinging posts, as when I upding, I get kicked to the front page. I’m using Firefox with NoScript. Any suggestions? EDIT: Nevermind, I fixed it.

407 Aunty Entity Dragon  Aug 13, 2014 7:24:25pm

re: #402 thedopefishlives

Mrs. Fish’s next-oldest brother is a police officer, so her sympathies are understandable. The problem is, her brother is a totally different animal from the assholes running the show down in Missouri. I tried telling her about the things the police have said and done that makes their motives suspect, but she handwaved it away.

People who are cops or related to cops have a very, very difficult time imagining that there might be institutional problems in law enforcement.

408 Lidane  Aug 13, 2014 7:24:33pm

re: #400 HappyWarrior

Don’t know who MO’s other senator is and what they’re doing.

Other Senator is Roy Blunt. This was his most recent tweet:

He has one tweet about Ferguson from the 11th and that’s it. Nothing else.

409 thedopefishlives  Aug 13, 2014 7:26:15pm

re: #407 Aunty Entity Dragon

People who are cops or related to cops have a very, very difficult time imagining that there might be institutional problems in law enforcement.

I get it. My uncle and cousin served honorably with the Indiana State Patrol. It’s really tough to acknowledge legitimate failings of law enforcement when there are people who like to jump on any little thing they can in support of their “fuck the police” mentality. We’re used to having to defend them. There is no defending them in Ferguson tonight.

410 HappyWarrior  Aug 13, 2014 7:26:24pm

re: #408 Lidane

Other Senator is Roy Blunt. This was his most recent tweet:

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He has one tweet about Ferguson from the 11th and that’s it. Nothing else.

Wow I have to say I am honestly surprised that Blunt did not use Williams death to attack liberals but his silence on this is telling.

411 Skip Intro  Aug 13, 2014 7:27:37pm

cre: #384 Targetpractice

That’s just it, it’s not all local PD. You got Ferguson PD, St. Louis City PD, and St. Louis County PD, with all three chiefs rotating command. By the time you’ve untangled who ordered what, it won’t matter anymore.

Exactly right. In the end, no one will be held responsible.

412 Lidane  Aug 13, 2014 7:28:03pm
413 Targetpractice  Aug 13, 2014 7:28:05pm

Decided for a second to check the Freepers, see what the response is there. Then I read the first few thread titles and immediately closed the tab for fear I was going to puke. Good God, but the hate is strong with these fuckers.

414 psddluva4evah  Aug 13, 2014 7:28:06pm
@WesleyLowery 10h
Ppl in #Ferguson v sensitive to media descriptions of rioting, so worth noting: only behavior accurately described as such happened Sun.

@WesleyLowery 10h
Monday &last night protesters clashed w/police in riot gear who deployed tear gas. I saw nothing close to “riots” or “looting” #Ferguson

@WesleyLowery 10h
That said, the town is tense. There have been some troublemakers out and about. Others who are just overcome with emotion #ferguson

@WesleyLowery 10h
But the residents have not been “rioting.” It just isn’t true. Protesting: yes. Outraged: yes. Clashing with police: yes. Rioting: No

415 TedStriker  Aug 13, 2014 7:29:44pm

re: #374 thedopefishlives

Mrs. Fish is siding with the police, saying that “they’re just trying to disperse the protesters before it gets out of their control and they have to call in the National Guard.” I wish I could get her to understand how totally out of proportion their response really is.

Just show everything to her that’s been going on since Saturday and explain to her, the cops are the ones that have been pushing this out of control.

416 HappyWarrior  Aug 13, 2014 7:30:25pm

re: #412 Lidane

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I feel him. I used to think it was merely the anoyomity of the internet that made people say racist and assholish things in times like this but even with more and more comment pages using Facebook where people will sue theri real name and real place of employment to make these comments, I don’t know anymore. One thing I do know though is we’ve got a big racism problem still in our country.

417 HappyWarrior  Aug 13, 2014 7:31:00pm

Has Alderman French posted any updates by the way? Sorry I was gone earlier.

418 Lidane  Aug 13, 2014 7:31:04pm
419 Gus  Aug 13, 2014 7:31:14pm

Ferguson sounds like Gaza tonight. Reminds me of Harry Fear’s live coverage. Hate to go there but it’s true.

420 Decatur Deb  Aug 13, 2014 7:31:22pm

re: #416 HappyWarrior

I feel him. I used to think it was merely the anoyomity of the internet that made people say racist and assholish things in times like this but even with more and more comment pages using Facebook where people will sue theri real name and real place of employment to make these comments, I don’t know anymore. One thing I do know though is we’ve got a big racism problem still in our country.

Several Supreme Court justices disagree.

421 klys  Aug 13, 2014 7:32:30pm

re: #417 HappyWarrior

Has Alderman French posted any updates by the way? Sorry I was gone earlier.

His last update was 19 minutes ago.

422 nsmith25  Aug 13, 2014 7:32:47pm

re: #419 Gus

see #394

423 Gus  Aug 13, 2014 7:33:08pm
424 Skip Intro  Aug 13, 2014 7:33:26pm

re: #420 Decatur Deb

Including the Big Kahuna, who also thinks that the rich and powerful are treated exactly the same under the law as the pissants.

See what good things happen to you when you help the GOP steal a presidential election?

425 Lidane  Aug 13, 2014 7:33:52pm
426 klys  Aug 13, 2014 7:34:01pm

This posting should not be construed as an endorsement of what this tweeter said.

427 Aunty Entity Dragon  Aug 13, 2014 7:34:07pm

re: #421 klys

His last update was 19 minutes ago.

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That doesn’t sound good at all.

428 NJDhockeyfan  Aug 13, 2014 7:34:13pm
429 paladin183  Aug 13, 2014 7:35:26pm

I think the “I am Mike Brown” livestream feed is replaying the police assault from a half-hour or so ago. I think their camera ran out of power.

430 Lidane  Aug 13, 2014 7:35:50pm
431 klys  Aug 13, 2014 7:36:09pm

For reference on the above tweeter, he posted this:

Compare the timestamps to the photo above.

re: #320 klys

432 Kilroy01  Aug 13, 2014 7:39:11pm

re: #426 klys

The rest of his tweets are very good. Maybe he saw what he says he saw.

433 Targetpractice  Aug 13, 2014 7:39:17pm

re: #430 Lidane

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Nowhere to be found, so he can later deny any responsibility.

434 klys  Aug 13, 2014 7:39:50pm

re: #432 Kilroy01

The rest of his tweets are very good. Maybe he saw what he says he saw.

See #431. But I posted it to put it out there.

435 Lidane  Aug 13, 2014 7:40:27pm
436 Lidane  Aug 13, 2014 7:41:40pm
437 BeachDem  Aug 13, 2014 7:41:51pm

And of course, where is the fat fuck Ferguson police chief doing an interview? Hannity. What does that tell you?

438 Skip Intro  Aug 13, 2014 7:42:45pm

re: #437 BeachDem

And of course, where is the fat fuck Ferguson police chief doing an interview? Hannity. What does that tell you?

Nothing we didn’t already know.

439 Lidane  Aug 13, 2014 7:43:01pm
440 Whack-A-Mole  Aug 13, 2014 7:43:03pm

re: #437 BeachDem

Hope he makes some good contacts. After tonight, he has (or at least by all rights should have) ZERO chances of being in the job a month from now.

441 Decatur Deb  Aug 13, 2014 7:43:09pm

Gun sales in the area are up as much as 400%, across race and gender lines, so there’s a silver lining.

stlouis.cbslocal.com

442 NJDhockeyfan  Aug 13, 2014 7:43:32pm

re: #429 paladin183

I think the “I am Mike Brown” livestream feed is replaying the police assault from a half-hour or so ago. I think their camera ran out of power.

I just put the scanner on. Dispatch is busy tonight.

443 Jenner7  Aug 13, 2014 7:45:30pm

From the live feed, people were just standing there. Then all of a sudden, they start running, then you could see the tear gas. I saw no bottle thrown, no rocks, no cocktails, nothing to provoke this. Did anyone see the crowd throw anything?? Then, about 20 minutes later, they gave their last warning and starting with gas again.

444 thedopefishlives  Aug 13, 2014 7:45:53pm

Alright, gentle lizardfolk, I am off. I hope that, despite the tension and aggression, the police can restrain themselves enough not to kill anyone (and vice versa, for that would surely result in a one-sided bloodbath). We shall see what we can see by the dawn’s early light tomorrow.

445 Belafon  Aug 13, 2014 7:45:56pm

re: #441 Decatur Deb

Yeah, I can’t wait for a bunch of protesters to show up with guns.

446 Charles Johnson  Aug 13, 2014 7:47:42pm
447 NJDhockeyfan  Aug 13, 2014 7:47:46pm

re: #445 Belafon

Yeah, I can’t wait for a bunch of protesters to show up with guns.

That would not be good.

448 Lidane  Aug 13, 2014 7:48:10pm
449 nsmith25  Aug 13, 2014 7:48:23pm

I’m out tonight.

Hope that no life is lost overnight.

450 Decatur Deb  Aug 13, 2014 7:48:47pm

re: #447 NJDhockeyfan

That would not be good.

Works in Target and Chipotle.

451 Charles Johnson  Aug 13, 2014 7:49:57pm
452 HappyWarrior  Aug 13, 2014 7:50:12pm

re: #446 Charles Johnson

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Yes, how many times will Hannity blame Obama and the left for this before the night is over?

453 Aunty Entity Dragon  Aug 13, 2014 7:50:45pm

re: #446 Charles Johnson

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Well, well, well…

That didn’t take long.

454 Rightwingconspirator  Aug 13, 2014 7:50:46pm
455 NJDhockeyfan  Aug 13, 2014 7:51:21pm
456 Aunty Entity Dragon  Aug 13, 2014 7:51:54pm

re: #451 Charles Johnson

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Need more white retirees coming into Branson. The uppity blacks have to be shown ther place as quickly as possible.

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457 Charles Johnson  Aug 13, 2014 7:52:16pm
458 DodgerFan1988  Aug 13, 2014 7:53:07pm

Disgusting Right Wing commentators supporting the arrests of reporters and the crackdown of black protesters. theblaze.com

459 Lidane  Aug 13, 2014 7:53:07pm
460 Aunty Entity Dragon  Aug 13, 2014 7:54:07pm
461 Charles Johnson  Aug 13, 2014 7:54:47pm

Sean Hannity now has an all-black Tea Party panel.

Un-fucking-real.

462 paladin183  Aug 13, 2014 7:55:08pm

Looks like the live-stream is over. Hopefully they’ll be back up and running soon, or at least still recording to upload later on.

463 KingKenrod  Aug 13, 2014 7:55:30pm

re: #443 Jenner7

From the live feed, people were just standing there. Then all of a sudden, they start running, then you could see the tear gas. I saw no bottle thrown, no rocks, no cocktails, nothing to provoke this. Did anyone see the crowd throw anything?? Then, about 20 minutes later, they gave their last warning and starting with gas again.

I didn’t see any hostile actions in that video. Just a bunch of people standing in the street. It wasn’t even really an organized protest. A couple of people had megaphones, that’s all. The cops opened up with LRAD, followed by rubber bullets and what I assume was tear gas.

464 Mattand  Aug 13, 2014 7:55:43pm

re: #446 Charles Johnson

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So basically Ferguson is being run by the police now.

Just wow. I can’t imagine the Philly police behaving this way, and I’ve heard some real horror stories about them.

I’m sorry, but someone needs to step in stop this shit before more people get killed. Does the President have any power to deal with this?

465 teleskiguy  Aug 13, 2014 7:56:00pm
466 Aunty Entity Dragon  Aug 13, 2014 7:56:00pm

re: #461 Charles Johnson

Sean Hannity now has an all-black Tea Party panel.

Un-fucking-real.

I don’t suppose war criminal Allen West is part of it?

467 Decatur Deb  Aug 13, 2014 7:56:17pm

re: #460 Aunty Entity Dragon

<blockquoteBull Connor Memorial Award MT @realsteveeboy #ferguson police chief just blamed trouble on “outside agitators” LOLEmbedded content]

Can’t lose if you stick with the classics.

468 Cassidy  Aug 13, 2014 7:56:24pm

Nothing says America like violently breaking up lawful protests and shitting on the Constitutional Rights of brown folk. It’d be nice if they could find a memo with some NSA involvement. Maybe the suburban liberals would suddenly get outraged.

469 Belafon  Aug 13, 2014 7:59:41pm

re: #468 Cassidy

See you made the jump from the balloony side.

470 ausador  Aug 13, 2014 8:00:25pm

re: #426 klys

Funny how he is the only news reporter there tonight that saw molotov cocktails being thrown. Funny that I never saw any fire of any kind near the police line in any of the livestreams. Really funny…and not in a good way. :(

471 Aunty Entity Dragon  Aug 13, 2014 8:01:31pm

msnbc has gone to live coverage.

472 prairiefire  Aug 13, 2014 8:01:48pm

re: #363 Jenner7

I am watching this live and bawling. I can’t believe this is happening!

My heart is breaking.

473 TedStriker  Aug 13, 2014 8:03:31pm

re: #471 Aunty Entity Dragon

msnbc has gone to live coverage.

Only took them how many hours tonight to do that?

474 Cassidy  Aug 13, 2014 8:03:39pm

re: #469 Belafon

Haven’t cared much for any of them in a long time.

475 KiTA  Aug 13, 2014 8:06:39pm

Not sure if old (LGF barely works on mobile):

dailykos.com

A huffpo and wash post pair of reporters were assaulted and arrested when cops demanded they empty out a McDonalds for the officers. Police chief has lost control of his officers - when reached for comment, his response was “Oh god.”

476 Targetpractice  Aug 13, 2014 8:07:43pm

re: #460 Aunty Entity Dragon

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What a convenient excuse. We’re not gassing people in their own front yards, we’re “protecting them” from the “outside agitators.”

477 psddluva4evah  Aug 13, 2014 8:09:20pm
478 ninja cat  Aug 13, 2014 8:09:36pm

re: #471 Aunty Entity Dragon

msnbc has gone to live coverage.

I’m tolerating Chris Hayes and at least thankful they are covering it. Though the livestream coverage they’re showing is actually from an hour ago. Lawrence had pretty good coverage.

479 HappyWarrior  Aug 13, 2014 8:11:25pm

re: #461 Charles Johnson

Sean Hannity now has an all-black Tea Party panel.

Un-fucking-real.

Wonder if any of them know about his pal Hal.

480 Lidane  Aug 13, 2014 8:11:33pm
481 bratwurst  Aug 13, 2014 8:11:44pm
482 Targetpractice  Aug 13, 2014 8:11:55pm

In fact, isn’t that the excuse of choice when the local authorities want to crack skulls and know the world is watching, that the people they’re gassing and arresting are not the angry locals, but instead “outside agitators” who are stirring up trouble?

483 Lidane  Aug 13, 2014 8:12:11pm
484 BeachDem  Aug 13, 2014 8:13:01pm

re: #386 psddluva4evah

SOB, the reporter now is saying that “the Chief” says he’s proud of the restraint of his freakn’ officers

When asked why the severity of the police force, that it’s because there are “good people” in these neighborhoods and they “deserve to be protected”.

WTF!

Yeah, and then he let the cat out of the bag and mentioned that there were “middle class and nice” neighborhoods nearby that they had to protect.

485 klys  Aug 13, 2014 8:13:21pm
486 HappyWarrior  Aug 13, 2014 8:13:23pm

re: #458 DodgerFan1988

Disgusting Right Wing commentators supporting the arrests of reporters and the crackdown of black protesters. theblaze.com

Oh the irony. These are the same people who think health care reform means we’re on the way to Nazi Germany and cattle cars but here they are cheering arresting reporters and cracking down on dissidents. Have to say. I despise and depised the Tea Party movement that breitbart.com fomented. Think it a venom on our national dialogue even but not once did I hope that the police would not only repress but brutally repress that movement. But then again these are the same people who cried when Pinochet died.

487 Charles Johnson  Aug 13, 2014 8:13:31pm
488 allegro  Aug 13, 2014 8:14:07pm

CNN just interviewed the young woman who witnessed the shooting from her balcony. It looks as though they might be going live to the current scene when the break is over. I don’t get MSNBC.

489 HappyWarrior  Aug 13, 2014 8:14:45pm

re: #487 Charles Johnson

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Do your fucking job Nixon.

490 NJDhockeyfan  Aug 13, 2014 8:14:55pm
491 klys  Aug 13, 2014 8:14:59pm
492 Targetpractice  Aug 13, 2014 8:15:41pm

re: #487 Charles Johnson

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Well, obviously he doesn’t want to get involved because surely the people who are feeding him a bunch of lies are doing so with good intentions. But I’m sure when he has his presser tomorrow, he’ll promise an investigation…which will take forever and ultimately exonerate everybody in a place of command.

493 NJDhockeyfan  Aug 13, 2014 8:16:35pm
494 Gus  Aug 13, 2014 8:16:58pm
495 allegro  Aug 13, 2014 8:17:05pm

Never mind. Just a mention that tear gas was fired and now they’re talking about the LA shooting. At least they’re talking about the black men being murdered on the streets by LE. This is so sickening.

496 klys  Aug 13, 2014 8:17:31pm
497 NJDhockeyfan  Aug 13, 2014 8:17:35pm

Holy fuck…

498 Gus  Aug 13, 2014 8:17:46pm

Getting a lot of RTs for this. Was going to add more but you know how I can get. Grrr.

499 Lidane  Aug 13, 2014 8:18:43pm

BOOM:

500 NJDhockeyfan  Aug 13, 2014 8:18:54pm

re: #495 allegro

Never mind. Just a mention that tear gas was died and now they’re talking about the LA shooting. At least they’re talking about the black men being murdered on the streets by LE. This is so sickening.

It’s about time someone did.

501 Lidane  Aug 13, 2014 8:19:15pm
502 Targetpractice  Aug 13, 2014 8:19:23pm

re: #493 NJDhockeyfan

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And now the powder keg has been lit.

503 andres  Aug 13, 2014 8:19:44pm

re: #22 Stanley Sea

The police have lost any semblance of protect and serve. This will take years to fix.

It can be fixed in about 2 years, top. Georgia (the country, not the state) gave a very precise way to deal with this aftermath.

But then, I don’t think anyone has the balls to go thru with something this big.

504 Lidane  Aug 13, 2014 8:20:04pm
505 abolitionist  Aug 13, 2014 8:20:08pm

re: #490 NJDhockeyfan

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I think it’s likely they were not wearing their seatbelts.

506 sagehen  Aug 13, 2014 8:20:08pm

re: #248 Targetpractice

I get the feeling the fact that these peaceful protestors are not armed is the only thing keeping the cops from throwing caution to the wind and arresting killing them wholesale.

FTFY

507 Lidane  Aug 13, 2014 8:20:46pm
508 Lidane  Aug 13, 2014 8:21:48pm
509 Aunty Entity Dragon  Aug 13, 2014 8:21:57pm

re: #492 Targetpractice

Well, obviously he doesn’t want to get involved because surely the people who are feeding him a bunch of lies are doing so with good intentions. But I’m sure when he has his presser tomorrow, he’ll spend half an hour thanking the state and local agencies who formed the yadda yadda combined emergency something something command and provided valuable assistance whle a wall of tubby old white guys in uniforms stand behind him promise an investigation…which will take forever and ultimately exonerate everybody in a place of command.

510 alpuz  Aug 13, 2014 8:22:07pm

Youtube Video

511 HappyWarrior  Aug 13, 2014 8:22:29pm

re: #499 Lidane

BOOM:

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Tell em Joaquin! He also had a great one about immigration earlier.

512 abolitionist  Aug 13, 2014 8:22:55pm

re: #504 Lidane

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The theater lights make it look staged.

513 NJDhockeyfan  Aug 13, 2014 8:23:06pm

Scanner says they are looking for a black Escalade that shot at cops. This is unreal.

514 HappyWarrior  Aug 13, 2014 8:23:20pm

Seriously where are all the “small government” and “individual liberty” right wingers who claim that Obama wants to do stuff like this? Oh right, they’re cheering this shit on.

515 NJDhockeyfan  Aug 13, 2014 8:24:04pm
516 jaunte  Aug 13, 2014 8:24:22pm
517 HappyWarrior  Aug 13, 2014 8:25:11pm

re: #516 jaunte

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That’s assuming they had principles outside of “I hate liberal reporters” in the first place.

518 teleskiguy  Aug 13, 2014 8:25:41pm
519 SteelPH  Aug 13, 2014 8:25:52pm

re: #517 HappyWarrior

That’s assuming they had principles outside of “I hate liberals reporters” in the first place.

FTFY

520 NJDhockeyfan  Aug 13, 2014 8:26:35pm
521 Charles Johnson  Aug 13, 2014 8:26:48pm

re: #498 Gus

Getting a lot of RTs for this. Was going to add more but you know how I can get. Grrr.

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See how you are?

522 NJDhockeyfan  Aug 13, 2014 8:27:07pm
523 NJDhockeyfan  Aug 13, 2014 8:28:03pm
524 Aunty Entity Dragon  Aug 13, 2014 8:28:26pm

re: #518 teleskiguy

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You know damned well those cops were laughing about it later.

525 Whack-A-Mole  Aug 13, 2014 8:28:59pm

I can’t believe how pro-police biased the feed from the local Fox affiliate is.

526 Charles Johnson  Aug 13, 2014 8:29:16pm

Feeling slightly ill to see Anonymous operatives retweeting me.

527 NJDhockeyfan  Aug 13, 2014 8:29:20pm
528 Whack-A-Mole  Aug 13, 2014 8:29:32pm

The reporter actually said, “This is what happens when you don’t follow police orders.”

529 Gus  Aug 13, 2014 8:29:33pm
530 Lidane  Aug 13, 2014 8:30:06pm
531 jaunte  Aug 13, 2014 8:30:24pm
532 HappyWarrior  Aug 13, 2014 8:30:27pm

re: #530 Lidane

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It looks like a warzone there.

533 Targetpractice  Aug 13, 2014 8:30:47pm

re: #530 Lidane

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A picture from last year’s EuroMaiden protests or small town US. You be the judge.

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534 BeachDem  Aug 13, 2014 8:30:54pm

re: #459 Lidane

That is unfuckingbelievable.

535 HappyWarrior  Aug 13, 2014 8:31:16pm

re: #531 jaunte

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That kind of talk is what people imagine of Obama and the left.

536 darthstar  Aug 13, 2014 8:31:38pm
537 Lidane  Aug 13, 2014 8:31:54pm
538 Belafon  Aug 13, 2014 8:32:05pm

re: #531 jaunte

All it took was getting some reporters arrested. Better than nothing, I guess.

539 jaunte  Aug 13, 2014 8:32:10pm

re: #535 HappyWarrior

Arrested for ‘trespassing in a McDonald’s.’

540 HappyWarrior  Aug 13, 2014 8:32:48pm

re: #539 jaunte

Arrested for ‘trespassing in a McDonald’s.’

But Obama’s okay with allowing gays to marry, that’s just as bad!

541 Targetpractice  Aug 13, 2014 8:33:07pm

re: #539 jaunte

Arrested for ‘trespassing in a McDonald’s.’

Thank God they weren’t walking in the streets, or they’d have been shot dead.

542 NJDhockeyfan  Aug 13, 2014 8:33:09pm

Here is the video of al-Jazeera getting gassed…

Youtube Video

543 teleskiguy  Aug 13, 2014 8:33:17pm

re: #539 jaunte

Arrested for ‘trespassing in a McDonald’s.’

We’ll actually never know exactly what happened to those reporters. The police left no paper trail. Unbelievable.

544 HappyWarrior  Aug 13, 2014 8:33:20pm

The governor should be ashamed of himself.

545 Aunty Entity Dragon  Aug 13, 2014 8:34:21pm

re: #531 jaunte

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I have been trying really hard to not climb on my soapbox tonight, but I will say this:

What that cop said is a perfect illustraton of law being made by men with guns. The man with the gun gets to do anything he wants to you, reporter or not.

546 Lidane  Aug 13, 2014 8:35:17pm
547 HappyWarrior  Aug 13, 2014 8:36:01pm

re: #546 Lidane

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That’s an award winning photo right there.

548 Lidane  Aug 13, 2014 8:36:07pm
549 Targetpractice  Aug 13, 2014 8:36:07pm

And come dawn tomorrow, we’ll get 100 different variations of “See, if they’d listened to the cops, this wouldn’t have happened!”

550 Belafon  Aug 13, 2014 8:37:00pm

re: #546 Lidane

I like this tweet:

551 HappyWarrior  Aug 13, 2014 8:37:07pm

I’m sure we’ll be hearing from the usual suspects about how this is all Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson’s fault and that the “liberal media” is excusing “thugs” because of “political correctness.”

552 Lidane  Aug 13, 2014 8:37:19pm
553 dell*nix  Aug 13, 2014 8:37:32pm

re: #539 jaunte

Was that the excuse given?

Who authorized the cops shutting down the McDonalds?

Who is going to recompense the retailers who have lost trade due to the police blockade and siege?

Lots of legal questions will need to be addressed over this. Perhaps one of the legal types here could address some of the potential areas for lawsuits.

554 paladin183  Aug 13, 2014 8:37:35pm

re: #546 Lidane

Any trust the girl had with police is practically gone now, and it’s going to take a long, long time for her to ever trust them again.

555 NJDhockeyfan  Aug 13, 2014 8:37:40pm
556 HappyWarrior  Aug 13, 2014 8:37:41pm

re: #552 Lidane

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That’s scary.

557 Lidane  Aug 13, 2014 8:38:41pm
558 GunstarGreen  Aug 13, 2014 8:38:50pm

Tonight, in Ferguson Missouri, America learns just how much the Right and its supporters care about “Freedom” and “Liberty” and “The Constitution”.

559 Lidane  Aug 13, 2014 8:39:13pm
560 CuriousLurker  Aug 13, 2014 8:39:52pm

Been lurking around all evening, too stressed out to participate. Just wanted to say Charles and all of you have been doing a great job with the breaking news on this,

Oh, and Gov. Nixon? He reminds me of Louis XVI, sitting obliviously in his palace in Versailles with Marie Antoinette as France burned.

Relurking now… ;-)

561 HappyWarrior  Aug 13, 2014 8:40:03pm

re: #559 Lidane

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No kidding.

562 teleskiguy  Aug 13, 2014 8:40:22pm
563 andres  Aug 13, 2014 8:41:26pm

I am afraid we have not seen the worst yet. :’(

I wish I was wrong about it.

564 Targetpractice  Aug 13, 2014 8:41:46pm

re: #562 teleskiguy

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I imagine police departments all over the country are watching this and taking notes. Because if they can get away with this shit in one small town, they can do so in others. The media doesn’t give a fuck, so long as the victims are anything but white.

565 Lidane  Aug 13, 2014 8:41:51pm
566 NJDhockeyfan  Aug 13, 2014 8:42:27pm

re: #553 dell*nix

Was that the excuse given?

Who authorized the cops shutting down the McDonalds?

Who is going to recompense the retailers who have lost trade due to the police blockade and siege?

Lots of legal questions will need to be addressed over this. Perhaps one of the legal types here could address some of the potential areas for lawsuits.

In Ferguson, Washington Post reporter Wesley Lowery gives account of his arrest

567 Lidane  Aug 13, 2014 8:42:37pm
568 Lidane  Aug 13, 2014 8:43:55pm
569 Kid A  Aug 13, 2014 8:44:10pm

re: #565 Lidane

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Did he verify that?

570 teleskiguy  Aug 13, 2014 8:44:34pm
571 darthstar  Aug 13, 2014 8:44:39pm
572 HappyWarrior  Aug 13, 2014 8:44:47pm

re: #566 NJDhockeyfan

In Ferguson, Washington Post reporter Wesley Lowery gives account of his arrest

Lowery’s account just reads straight out of something you would have read about in the Civil Rights era.

573 Gus  Aug 13, 2014 8:44:48pm
574 Lidane  Aug 13, 2014 8:45:06pm
575 NJDhockeyfan  Aug 13, 2014 8:45:20pm
576 HappyWarrior  Aug 13, 2014 8:45:25pm

re: #565 Lidane

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Wow did not hear that about the chief’s wife.

577 GunstarGreen  Aug 13, 2014 8:45:30pm

America is no longer racist because we elected Barack Obama as president.

Please ignore the race riots currently going down in Ferguson, and how they look exactly like colorized versions of photos from the 50s.

578 Aunty Entity Dragon  Aug 13, 2014 8:45:35pm

Comments at Policeone:
No, I am not going to link.

Posted by cpo2gilman on Wednesday, August 13, 2014 10:31 AM Pacific Report Abuse

Is this not an act of terrorism? How is it this is going on in any North American city, let alone an American city? I think it’s time for the military to deal with this!

Posted by doubletap1 on Wednesday, August 13, 2014 04:53 PM Pacific Report Abuse

all my brothers in Missouri, please stay safe, these dirtbags WILL kill you.

Posted by NOVA540 on Wednesday, August 13, 2014 07:04 PM Pacific Report Abuse

Hey VON1, You have to realize “Ol’ Boy” is probably busy golfing or vacationing with his family at our expense to be concerned with incidents going on in our country ! Animals seem to just want to use the incidents like this as an opportunity to go out & commit more crimes….. I dealt with it for 30 years and can’t see it changing in my lifetime. The race card itself seems to be the cause of too many issues of this nature ! ……. Just keep our brothers & sisters in your prayers, they have a rough road ahead.
stay safe……

Posted by scaatylobo on Wednesday, August 13, 2014 07:26 PM Pacific Report Abuse

Anyone that wants to push the ‘race card’ has to be totally blind to not note that race relations have not been this bad in MANY DECADES.
So it would appear that having a “black president” was not a really healing or good idea.
OR one could take note since this asshat has taken office,HE has had very bad relations with the white race !.
He took sides during the Martin / Zimmerman case in Fla.
He took sides during the arrest of a “black professor” against a police officer.
He has taken sides in this incident [ NONE OF HIS BUSINESS ].
And with Sharpton on the scene ,it got worse = add the “new black panthers” to the mix and of course threats to the life of the officer,now we have a real party.
Sad that I was on marches during the 1960’s for the NAACP & CORE [ national assoc. of COLORED people = great name huh ? ] and we accomplished NOTHING.
Unless you call MUCH worse actions from young backs as a improvement ?.

Posted by gnf122 on Wednesday, August 13, 2014 07:51 PM Pacific Report Abuse

prayers to our brothers and sisters in blue as the news media is continuously being completely one sided and fueling the fire.


Posted by scaatylobo on Wednesday, August 13, 2014 07:28 PM Pacific Report Abuse

AND would the press PLEASE,PLEASE,PLEASE ask any of the talking heads about the HUNDREDS of blacks shot down by their own kind all day and all year ?.
One police officer shoots in self defense and its a riot —— a few HUNDRED die in many citys every year = NOTHING is said ?.

579 dell*nix  Aug 13, 2014 8:45:54pm

These idiots still have no clue as to how many devices today have audio and video record and stream functions.

580 HappyWarrior  Aug 13, 2014 8:45:55pm

re: #573 Gus

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Damn. just damn.

581 dell*nix  Aug 13, 2014 8:46:17pm

re: #566 NJDhockeyfan

Thanks for the link.

582 NJDhockeyfan  Aug 13, 2014 8:47:26pm
583 Lidane  Aug 13, 2014 8:48:53pm

re: #569 Kid A

Did he verify that?

584 paladin183  Aug 13, 2014 8:49:16pm

re: #573 Gus

The fuck?! Honestly, that is disturbing to see. To think, that guy could have been a breath away from death.

585 ausador  Aug 13, 2014 8:49:38pm

re: #542 NJDhockeyfan

Here is the video of al-Jazeera getting gassed…

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Video

The cops did it to KTVI last night, I posted a comment here about it. The cops were firing tear gas the other way towards the protestors (the KTVI two man crew was behind the police line) then one turned around and fired one that landed five feet from the camera crew. They really don’t like being filmed apparently.

586 Aunty Entity Dragon  Aug 13, 2014 8:50:37pm

re: #573 Gus

I cannot fucking believe that photo.

That gave me chills just to see it. Christ.

Tomorrow…the rest of the world is going to be looking at us and wondering what the hell happened.

That news crew from Al Jazeera getting gassed…

How is that shit going to play on the air in about three hours in Egypt?

587 HappyWarrior  Aug 13, 2014 8:50:38pm

re: #583 Lidane

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Holy shit. That’s some Stormfront like shit right there. Okay, more honestly, she’s not espousing anything different then what we see in “mainstream conservative” blogs and publications which in turn does resemble Stormfront like shit.

588 teleskiguy  Aug 13, 2014 8:52:10pm

Social media probably is the thing that breaks the whole black/white relations in the United States wide open. People are noticing. White people, black people, it doesn’t matter, people can see sickening existential racism in real time.

589 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Aug 13, 2014 8:52:53pm

re: #583 Lidane

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That is not really the police chief’s wife.

590 BeachDem  Aug 13, 2014 8:59:13pm

re: #531 jaunte

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All unreal, but I’d really like to know who was the woman with the clergy caller singing hymns in police car (and why was she there?)

591 ausador  Aug 13, 2014 9:09:17pm

re: #590 BeachDem

All unreal, but I’d really like to know who was the woman with the clergy caller singing hymns in police car (and why was she there?)

Maybe the army finally arrived…The Salvation Army…

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592 DodgerFan1988  Aug 13, 2014 9:34:11pm

Fox News are covering this story by talking about the New Black Panthers.
Oh Dear God!!!


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