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1 thedopefishlives  Aug 14, 2014 7:31:31pm

No need for words. Picture says it all.

2 De Kolta Chair  Aug 14, 2014 7:33:11pm

What a difference a hue makes.

3 teleskiguy  Aug 14, 2014 7:33:31pm

Kind of weird. The hashtag #Ferguson all of a sudden turned into a sewer. Bummer.

4 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Aug 14, 2014 7:34:25pm

Posted it below, but I’ll repeat it here: My new favorite police officer.

And for all the shit he’s gotten, Gov. Nixon seems to have played this well.

Edit: “played” may be a little too light a word for this, but it does seem like Nixon called this right by putting MHP in charge.

5 Targetpractice  Aug 14, 2014 7:35:02pm

Amazing what change can happen in 24 hours when a governor gets off his ass and takes a hand in calming things down. A day ago, we had an asshole police chief telling the press that his officers were showing “restraint” while reports came in of people being gassed and reporters being roughed up and arrested. Now we have a captain who is walking amongst the protestors, talking with them and listening to them, and even showing solidarity with them.

I shudder to think of where things would be right now had Nixon not stepped in and made a very necessary change in command.

6 RealityBasedSteve  Aug 14, 2014 7:38:43pm

Fully expect that this will put the RWNJ’s in to full-hate-spew mode. Not sure exactly WHAT they will find objectionable, but I’m sure it will be something. Funny thing is, over at Freeper Land you couldn’t tell if they hated the cops or the protesters more. I think they ended up hating the protesters more, cuz of the melanin thing.

RBS

7 Charles Johnson  Aug 14, 2014 7:38:49pm
8 teleskiguy  Aug 14, 2014 7:39:17pm

I’d bet that tonight in Ferguson, MO is the best example we have of the efficacy of demilitarizing the police.

9 lawhawk  Aug 14, 2014 7:41:19pm

re: #7 Charles Johnson

And that’s even as there’s no violence tonight in Ferguson, and other demonstrations have essentially been peaceful (even in NYC as far as I can tell). That’s a far cry from just 24 hours ago when the heavy handed police tactics included arrests of reporters doing their jobs reporting on events from inside a McDonalds and gassing a tv crew.

10 Charles Johnson  Aug 14, 2014 7:42:08pm
11 Targetpractice  Aug 14, 2014 7:42:30pm

re: #7 Charles Johnson

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They’ve spent days with the “rioting and looting” bit, but now that that’s coming to an end, it’s time to get back to the “Brown was a thug!” business. After all, we can’t jump to conclusions and must wait until we have all the facts…

12 goddamnedfrank  Aug 14, 2014 7:44:30pm

Lawrence O’Donnell has an eyewitness on right now. She says she pulled up as the altercation was in progress, Brown was outside the cop car trying to pull away as the cop tried to pull him in through the window. One shot was fired inside the car, then Brown got free and started to run away. The cop exited and ran after Brown, firing while running. Reportedly he missed Brown with the first shots, then she saw Michael jerk and stop running, turn around and put his hands up. Witness then says the cop advanced and fired several more shots, only stopping after Brown dropped to the ground.

13 Charles Johnson  Aug 14, 2014 7:46:02pm

re: #12 goddamnedfrank

It’s becoming very clear that this cop simply murdered Michael Brown in cold blood, for no reason whatsoever.

14 lawhawk  Aug 14, 2014 7:46:02pm

But still the right wing echo chamber thinks that Brown must have been up to no good, had a rap sheet (that includes pre-birth (pre-conception at that), and that the community from which he came from is also full of no one but looters and Black Panthers.

It’s madness. And it has to stop.

15 TedStriker  Aug 14, 2014 7:46:14pm

re: #12 goddamnedfrank

Lawrence O’Donnell has an eyewitness on right now. She says she pulled up as the altercation was in progress, Brown was outside the cop car trying to pull away as the cop tried to pull him in through the window. One shot was fired inside the car, then Brown got free and started to run away. The cop exited and ran after Brown, firing while running. Reportedly he missed Brown with the first shots, then she saw Michael jerk and stop running, turn around and put his hands up. Witness then says the cop advanced and fired several more shots, only stopping after Brown dropped to the ground.

Guaranteed that all of the hard forensics evidence (aside from the body, of course, but who knows if the Ferguson cops, with the help of the coroner, have tried to cover their tracks there too) have been disappeared by now.

16 teleskiguy  Aug 14, 2014 7:47:19pm

lawhawk for President!

17 lawhawk  Aug 14, 2014 7:47:31pm
18 goddamnedfrank  Aug 14, 2014 7:47:49pm

She said the cop just paced back and forth afterward, she seemed to indicate that there was no attempt to render aid to the fallen Brown.

19 jaunte  Aug 14, 2014 7:48:26pm

re: #18 goddamnedfrank

Complete moral breakdown.

20 psddluva4evah  Aug 14, 2014 7:49:28pm

re: #15 TedStriker

Hopefully it does. But first, can we make sure that St Louis County Prosecutor is NOWHERE near this case?

Cause it this don’t sound like bias, I don’t know what does.

Nasheed Calls for McCulloch to Step Down in Michael Brown Investigation « CBS St. Louis cbsloc.al

21 lawhawk  Aug 14, 2014 7:50:29pm

The madness, it burns.

22 Kilroy01  Aug 14, 2014 7:51:03pm

OT sort of for those who need a laugh
twitter.com

23 psddluva4evah  Aug 14, 2014 7:51:36pm
24 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Aug 14, 2014 7:53:00pm

re: #12 goddamnedfrank

Lawrence O’Donnell has an eyewitness on right now. She says she pulled up as the altercation was in progress, Brown was outside the cop car trying to pull away as the cop tried to pull him in through the window. One shot was fired inside the car, then Brown got free and started to run away. The cop exited and ran after Brown, firing while running. Reportedly he missed Brown with the first shots, then she saw Michael jerk and stop running, turn around and put his hands up. Witness then says the cop advanced and fired several more shots, only stopping after Brown dropped to the ground.

WTF police officer tries to pull someone in through a window?

25 Targetpractice  Aug 14, 2014 7:53:08pm

re: #18 goddamnedfrank

She said the cop just paced back and forth afterward, she seemed to indicate that there was no attempt to render aid to the fallen Brown.

Probably decided a dead victim was easier to explain away than a live victim.

26 lawhawk  Aug 14, 2014 7:53:10pm
27 Targetpractice  Aug 14, 2014 7:55:30pm

The more I hear about the conduct of the Ferguson PD and the county prosecutor, the more convinced I become that this case would have been buried had there been no protests. Just another black teen gunned down by a hothead cop and written off as a “justifiable homicide.”

28 lockjawcanbefun  Aug 14, 2014 7:55:46pm
29 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Aug 14, 2014 7:57:10pm

re: #28 lockjawcanbefun

No need for a flag?

30 teleskiguy  Aug 14, 2014 7:59:46pm

re: #27 Targetpractice

The more I hear about the conduct of the Ferguson PD and the county prosecutor, the more convinced I become that this case would have been buried had there been no protests. Just another black teen gunned down by a hothead cop and written off as a “justifiable homicide.”

31 Stanley Sea  Aug 14, 2014 8:01:09pm

re: #12 goddamnedfrank

Lawrence O’Donnell has an eyewitness on right now. She says she pulled up as the altercation was in progress, Brown was outside the cop car trying to pull away as the cop tried to pull him in through the window. One shot was fired inside the car, then Brown got free and started to run away. The cop exited and ran after Brown, firing while running. Reportedly he missed Brown with the first shots, then she saw Michael jerk and stop running, turn around and put his hands up. Witness then says the cop advanced and fired several more shots, only stopping after Brown dropped to the ground.

Ugly. And easy to believe. Unfortunately.

32 abolitionist  Aug 14, 2014 8:01:56pm

re: #24 Rev_Arthur_Belling

WTF police officer tries to pull someone in through a window?

One intending to intimidate a person by putting a gun to their head, with little risk of this being seen by anyone else?
*my own H0*

33 Stanley Sea  Aug 14, 2014 8:02:15pm

re: #18 goddamnedfrank

She said the cop just paced back and forth afterward, she seemed to indicate that there was no attempt to render aid to the fallen Brown.

Feeling his roid rage.

He wasn’t tested I will assume.

34 NJDhockeyfan  Aug 14, 2014 8:03:23pm

Evening lizards!

Protesters have taken over Times Square…

35 Lidane  Aug 14, 2014 8:04:36pm
36 Charles Johnson  Aug 14, 2014 8:05:02pm
37 Gus  Aug 14, 2014 8:07:38pm
38 Kilroy01  Aug 14, 2014 8:08:06pm

Ok so let me get this straight.

The Officer drives by two kids walking down the street. He backs up and yells,
“get the fuck on the sidewalk”

Then one of the kids (Brown) attempts to climb in the open front window while the officer is still seated in the car and steal his gun off his belt?

So self defense?

I just can’t even…

39 sagehen  Aug 14, 2014 8:08:37pm

re: #2 De Kolta Chair

What a difference a hue makes.

It’s not just that; it’s also that he grew up in Ferguson and still lives there; and he’s undoubtedly got some particular individual qualities to bring to bear as well.

I mean really… when you’re looking for better cops to take over a sensitive situation, is Highway Patrol anybody’s first thought?

41 Charles Johnson  Aug 14, 2014 8:12:00pm
42 NJDhockeyfan  Aug 14, 2014 8:12:15pm

Need a Johnny Cash pic on those tweets.

43 BeachDem  Aug 14, 2014 8:13:22pm

re: #20 psddluva4evah

Hopefully it does. But first, can we make sure that St Louis County Prosecutor is NOWHERE near this case?

Cause it this don’t sound like bias, I don’t know what does.

Nasheed Calls for McCulloch to Step Down in Michael Brown Investigation « CBS St. Louis cbsloc.al

On Rachel’s show last night—

Lizz Brown, columnist for the St. Louis American:
This office, under (INAUDIBLE), under Bob McCullough has been challenged legally again and again with the strikes they use to keep African-Americans from serving on the jury in order that the prosecuting attorney gets a conviction.

44 Gus  Aug 14, 2014 8:14:18pm
45 abolitionist  Aug 14, 2014 8:14:27pm

re: #32 abolitionist

A reasonable person could be expected to dismisss my hypothesis (H0) out of hand, but I have some evidence for it:
Over the next 100 or so hours, essentially that same intimidation tactic was repeated a thousand-fold, on hundreds of others, for all the world to see.

46 teleskiguy  Aug 14, 2014 8:15:04pm

re: #41 Charles Johnson

Semi-literate hateful caveman says what?

Jim Hoft’s head is infected by devils.

47 Gus  Aug 14, 2014 8:15:26pm

re: #42 NJDhockeyfan

Need a Johnny Cash pic on those tweets.

48 Charles Johnson  Aug 14, 2014 8:16:07pm
49 teleskiguy  Aug 14, 2014 8:17:01pm

re: #41 Charles Johnson

Todd Starnes retweeted this. Ugh.

50 NJDhockeyfan  Aug 14, 2014 8:18:14pm

re: #47 Gus

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That’s the one. Best flip of the bird ever!

51 Kragar  Aug 14, 2014 8:19:05pm
52 Kilroy01  Aug 14, 2014 8:19:25pm

re: #37 Gus

I’m so amazed and impressed by Capt. Johnson.

He gets handed the biggest pile of shit assignment from people who actively tried to make it worse or ignore it (See the Governor). An assignment he knows is being watched by the world and if it turn out bad it makes history.

Well, I think he did make history tonight, well done.

53 BeachDem  Aug 14, 2014 8:19:50pm

re: #41 Charles Johnson

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Jim really needs to stop talking to his imaginary friends.

54 ausador  Aug 14, 2014 8:22:13pm

Dim Jim is having fun using deceptive practices to get his followers riled up tonight…

Starts by making it sound as if this…
Going on now?
…is going on tonight by leaving out the first tweet in the group.

Then he recycles her tweets about the man walking his dog who was beaten Tuesday night/Wednesday morning.

Real breaking news there Jim, whats the matter, did you think you had days more protest ahead to write vile shit in and now it all seems over?

thegatewaypundit.com

55 Mattand  Aug 14, 2014 8:22:31pm

re: #13 Charles Johnson

It’s becoming very clear that this cop simply murdered Michael Brown in cold blood, for no reason whatsoever.

Could you tell that to the fucking idiots I ran into on Facebook earlier today? Both of them were pulling “We really don’t what happened” hyperskeptical horseshit conservatives pull whenever a black person gets killed by police.

56 teleskiguy  Aug 14, 2014 8:25:54pm

Kelly’s dad George was Mr. Conductor on the original Thomas The Tank Engine TV shows on PBS.

:-D

57 Kragar  Aug 14, 2014 8:26:16pm
58 Belafon  Aug 14, 2014 8:26:36pm

re: #40 Gus

I was first :)

59 Kilroy01  Aug 14, 2014 8:27:15pm

re: #55 Mattand

There are so many eyes on this, including the President’s, Governor’s and a few million concerned citizens I don’t think the killer has a hope in hell.

Unless the prosecutor accidentally overcharges and the jury can’t convict on that charge. Been done before.

60 andres  Aug 14, 2014 8:29:19pm

I am relieved that my fears about the Ferguson’s situation were misplaced. There is still a lot of work to do, but the immediate threat is gone.

61 NJDhockeyfan  Aug 14, 2014 8:29:52pm

Heating up in NYC

62 Charles Johnson  Aug 14, 2014 8:30:48pm
63 prairiefire  Aug 14, 2014 8:31:24pm

re: #40 Gus

“Robert” looks soooooo high.

64 Kilroy01  Aug 14, 2014 8:31:30pm

re: #56 teleskiguy

I’m calling it a night..

I figure if I start tearing up seeing Thomas the Tank Engine it is time to go.

Charles and crew, thanks for the awesome coverage of this event. It has been truly memorable.

65 Stanley Sea  Aug 14, 2014 8:32:28pm

re: #62 Charles Johnson

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k u d o s

66 prairiefire  Aug 14, 2014 8:34:09pm

Feeling a bit of that old missouri pride tonight. This is what we folks do best, when we can. Love you, lizards! ****smooooocchhhh****

67 Charles Johnson  Aug 14, 2014 8:37:52pm
68 teleskiguy  Aug 14, 2014 8:37:59pm

re: #56 teleskiguy

…and Kelly Carlin just retweeted this to her 24,000 followers.

:-D

69 Stanley Sea  Aug 14, 2014 8:38:14pm

Getting ready to crash. As always, great blog to follow.

Remember this is just the beginning. Michael Brown’s death still needs to be adjudicated. We haven’t seen nothing. I do have hope in the rule of law, the FBI & the Justice Dept to handle it correctly. If it was left up to the entrenched yahoos of St. Louis? Nope.

70 Kragar  Aug 14, 2014 8:38:34pm

re: #62 Charles Johnson

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IRRELEVANT!!!!

71 Charles Johnson  Aug 14, 2014 8:40:07pm
72 teleskiguy  Aug 14, 2014 8:40:10pm

re: #62 Charles Johnson

re: #70 Kragar

IRRELEVANT!!!!

IRRELLLEVANNTTT!!!!

73 Feline Fearless Leader  Aug 14, 2014 8:43:38pm

re: #71 Charles Johnson

Gang sign!

74 ninja cat  Aug 14, 2014 8:48:16pm

re: #56 teleskiguy

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Kelly’s dad George was Mr. Conductor on the original Thomas The Tank Engine TV shows on PBS.

:-D

Fantastic. Thank you for posting. I was across the room and thought I saw a train on the tv, then though nah, can’t be.

75 teleskiguy  Aug 14, 2014 8:49:05pm

LGF has been on top of this saga since day one. Kudos to Charles for getting some link love from The New Yorker.

76 abolitionist  Aug 14, 2014 8:49:09pm

re: #62 Charles Johnson

Just noticed, second officer from the left, in large letters, TROOPER. I’m guessing that means State Trooper.

77 teleskiguy  Aug 14, 2014 8:59:55pm

re: #56 teleskiguy

I mean, if Thomas The Tank Engine makes an appearance in front of that torched gas station, then we know we’ve definitely turned a corner for the better.

78 Lidane  Aug 14, 2014 9:01:55pm
79 Gus  Aug 14, 2014 9:02:01pm
80 teleskiguy  Aug 14, 2014 9:05:19pm

re: #79 Gus

Sick Ride! Love the color! I’m biased though, green is my favorite color.

:-D

81 missliberties  Aug 14, 2014 9:07:58pm

re: #52 Kilroy01

I’m so amazed and impressed by Capt. Johnson.

He gets handed the biggest pile of shit assignment from people who actively tried to make it worse or ignore it (See the Governor). An assignment he knows is being watched by the world and if it turn out bad it makes history.

Well, I think he did make history tonight, well done.

There’s a whole lot of problems that could be solved if folks would follow Capt Johnson’s example.

82 klys  Aug 14, 2014 9:09:37pm

Photographer has been seen by EMTs and is ok, although he’ll probably feel it in the morning.

83 Lidane  Aug 14, 2014 9:09:46pm
84 Kragar  Aug 14, 2014 9:09:50pm
85 teleskiguy  Aug 14, 2014 9:10:56pm

I am genuinely amazed at the turnaround of events in Ferguson, MO tonight, all as a result of a 180° change in police tactics. Astonishing, really.

86 Kragar  Aug 14, 2014 9:11:13pm

re: #82 klys

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Photographer has been seen by EMTs and is ok, although he’ll probably feel it in the morning.

I look forward to Dim Jim’s headline of “Reporter attacked by Crowd”

87 klys  Aug 14, 2014 9:12:23pm

re: #86 Kragar

I look forward to Dim Jim’s headline of “Reporter attacked by Crowd”

Pretty much.

That part is predictable and depressing as shit.

Everything I’ve seen is that the vast majority of people are there to peacefully protest and it’s worlds different from last night, but why should those facts get in the way?

88 jaunte  Aug 14, 2014 9:14:09pm

Scared silent.

Hoft hasn’t been heard from in an hour. #Scary

89 jaunte  Aug 14, 2014 9:14:34pm

#Scary, or #Outofmaterial

90 klys  Aug 14, 2014 9:16:29pm

This headline is for Gus.

Pilot’s arm ‘came off while landing’

91 Floral Giraffe  Aug 14, 2014 9:16:48pm

Cpt. Johnson WALKED in the march. “We’re all in this together…we’re not in this for fear, to intimidate.” THIS is how a bad situation gets turned into the right direction.

92 Gus  Aug 14, 2014 9:18:17pm

re: #90 klys

This headline is for Gus.

Pilot’s arm ‘came off while landing’

It’s just a flesh wound. // Glad it was just an prosthetic arm. Worried for a second. O.O

93 klys  Aug 14, 2014 9:19:13pm

re: #92 Gus

It’s just a flesh wound. // Glad it was just an prosthetic arm. Worried for a second. O.O

It was a rough landing, you never know…

//

I said the same thing when the husband read the headline.

94 Gus  Aug 14, 2014 9:21:26pm

re: #93 klys

It was a rough landing, you never know…

//

I said the same thing when the husband read the headline.

HIS ARM JUST CAME OFF! DOES THIS MEAN IT CAN HAPPEN TO ME?!?!?

95 allegro  Aug 14, 2014 9:22:09pm

I, too, want to applaud Charles and the lizardim for being an amazing resource these past few days. No wait, the ONLY resource for following this incredible story and to watch and feel it unfold in real time.

Now that my faith in humanity has been momentarily restored with what has become an astonishing turn-around in Ferguson thanks to a new hero police officer and a town of really nice people, we will say a grateful goodnight.

96 klys  Aug 14, 2014 9:22:29pm

re: #94 Gus

HIS ARM JUST CAME OFF! DOES THIS MEAN IT CAN HAPPEN TO ME?!?!?

THAT MUST BE WHAT HAPPENED TO JIM HOFT. ALERT THE PRESSES!

97 jaunte  Aug 14, 2014 9:22:47pm

“Pilot’s one weird trick to make the News.”

98 Kragar  Aug 14, 2014 9:23:58pm

Have I mentioned I can’t wait for this to come out?

Youtube Video

99 teleskiguy  Aug 14, 2014 9:32:37pm

OT, but fun anyhow. I found this among some old pictures in a box I hadn’t looked at in over ten years today, my very first letter to the editor that was actually published.

I started reading the Rocky Mountain News when I was a boy. It was the first newspaper I started reading daily. When I was a teenager, I knew that the Rocky was superior to that stupid broadsheet The Denver Post (Rocky published tabloid style) which still publishes today (and took some of Rocky’s talent after the Rocky folded).

I really miss the Rocky Mountain News. I wept the day I found out that it went out of business, the first newspaper in Colorado, founded in 1859, before Colorado even became a state.

At least I got to contribute to the Rocky. And now? Cannabis is 100% legal in the state of Colorado.

100 Gus  Aug 14, 2014 9:33:48pm
101 Gus  Aug 14, 2014 9:34:14pm
102 Gus  Aug 14, 2014 9:34:40pm
103 Tigger2005  Aug 14, 2014 9:41:28pm

re: #52 Kilroy01

I’m so amazed and impressed by Capt. Johnson.

He gets handed the biggest pile of shit assignment from people who actively tried to make it worse or ignore it (See the Governor). An assignment he knows is being watched by the world and if it turn out bad it makes history.

Well, I think he did make history tonight, well done.

Quit giving Nixon shit. How do you know he was “ignoring” the situation? For someone who was “ignoring” it, he sure came up with an excellent solution pretty damn fast. Maybe because the wheels were turning where you couldn’t see them. Sorry you didn’t get the instant gratification you wanted. Nixon is a decent man and a credit to Missouri. Sometimes it seems like he’s the only thing preventing our crazy Republican legislature from turning us into another Kansas. Give the man a damn break.

104 Kragar  Aug 14, 2014 9:43:01pm
105 Roger S  Aug 14, 2014 9:49:21pm

re: #7 Charles Johnson

My God, Drudge is a racist ahole.

106 Hyped Up On Ganja  Aug 14, 2014 9:52:37pm

re: #79 Gus

Oh, I like his style *call me*

107 teleskiguy  Aug 14, 2014 9:52:39pm

re: #105 Roger S

My God, Drudge is a racist ahole.

Parts of what I’m about to say is conjecture. Matt Drudge is a paranoid closeted homosexual who won the lottery by playing to the far right’s basest fears using simple HTML coding.

108 Kragar  Aug 14, 2014 10:02:02pm
109 ausador  Aug 14, 2014 10:02:24pm

Re: The mall cop walking past the white guy to pepper spray the black one story from this morning.

On the bright side the guy has one heck of a lawsuit settlement coming now…

110 NJDhockeyfan  Aug 14, 2014 10:15:23pm
111 teleskiguy  Aug 14, 2014 10:19:28pm

One of my favorite composers.

112 Kragar  Aug 14, 2014 10:22:29pm

Bundy Ranchers can’t see the difference between agents on a raid against a criminal being protected by an armed milita and local cops using military grade gear against civilian protestors outraged over the killing of an unarmed kid

113 Shazam  Aug 14, 2014 10:29:33pm

Committing a crime and defending oneself with weapons and death threats to police whilst being white is equal to being unarmed and protesting the murder by a policeman of a black teenager whilst black.

114 klys  Aug 14, 2014 10:30:39pm
115 Hyped Up On Ganja  Aug 14, 2014 10:32:55pm

re: #114 klys

Hahahahahahahahaha! Oh lord, I think I might pee my pants!

That’s the exact look on my face when I weigh myself.

116 blueraven  Aug 14, 2014 10:46:01pm

So did Dim Jim update his post with the supposed photos of Mike Brown?

Now the title reads

BREAKING: Ferguson’s Michael Brown PICTURED WITH A GUN - Flashing Gang Signs

showing this image

A google image search shows this is a photo of Joda Cain accused of killing his grandmother.

Hoft is a desperately dishonest creep.

EDIT: He changed it back again and removed photo…see my post #120

117 teleskiguy  Aug 14, 2014 10:51:56pm
118 Single-handed sailor  Aug 14, 2014 10:54:16pm

re: #114 klys

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I recognize that snake!

weebls-stuff.com

119 teleskiguy  Aug 14, 2014 10:54:17pm

re: #116 blueraven

Jim Hoft, The Dumbest Man On The Internet©

120 blueraven  Aug 14, 2014 10:56:57pm

re: #116 blueraven

Oh jeez, he has already changed the title back and removed the image.

People were slamming him in the comments.

1 • Reply•Share >
−

BulletPeople • 16 minutes ago
Please tell me I’m not the first person to point out this the picture at the top is not Michael Brown but Joda Cain, who was accused of killing his grandmother last October. See huffingtonpost.com….

It’s easier than ever to check these things nowadays. If you use Google Chrome you can now right click a picture and choose “search Google for this image.

…

Oink Trotters • 2 hours ago
The guy with the gun is not Mike Brown. It is Joda Cain. newsone.com…
…

Kenner Oink Trotters • an hour ago
Did you contact the mod? That picture needs to come down pronto.

“

121 Aqua Obama  Aug 14, 2014 10:57:59pm

truth

122 BeachDem  Aug 14, 2014 11:00:34pm

re: #116 blueraven

And that bullshit picture was shown NOT to be Mike Brown days ago. Hey, Dim Jim, don’t let facts ever get in the way of your hate, you worthless piece of shit.

123 teleskiguy  Aug 14, 2014 11:01:22pm

re: #120 blueraven

This absolutely proves what a dumb and hateful man Jim Hoft is.

124 freetoken  Aug 14, 2014 11:01:28pm

re: #122 BeachDem

I just checked Dim’s website - didn’t see that photo. Did he take it down already?

125 Aqua Obama  Aug 14, 2014 11:01:35pm

NOTHING STOPS THIS TRAIN

vine.co

126 blueraven  Aug 14, 2014 11:03:27pm

re: #124 freetoken

I just checked Dim’s website - didn’t see that photo. Did he take it down already?

yes, see #120

127 WhatEVs  Aug 14, 2014 11:05:43pm

re: #117 teleskiguy

He’s all that and a bag of chips (in his left hand)!

128 BeachDem  Aug 14, 2014 11:06:02pm

re: #124 freetoken

I just checked Dim’s website - didn’t see that photo. Did he take it down already?

That’s what blueraven said—I don’t have the stomach to go to his hateful site.

(and I’m astounded that almost 40,000 people follow that asshat on Twitter—must be a lot of bots)

129 teleskiguy  Aug 14, 2014 11:07:47pm
130 WhatEVs  Aug 14, 2014 11:09:08pm

re: #128 BeachDem

That’s what BlueRaven said—I don’t have the stomach to go to his hateful site.

(and I’m astounded that almost 40,000 people follow that asshat on Twitter—must be a lot of bots)

RWNJs are a collective. They live in the same bubble, read the same thing, say the same things, parrot each other. They all spew the same talking points (put out by the usual suspects). They’re the Borg.

131 WhatEVs  Aug 14, 2014 11:11:14pm
132 freetoken  Aug 14, 2014 11:15:18pm

Daniel Santos classic:

MP3 Audio

133 freetoken  Aug 14, 2014 11:22:24pm

Since I’m doing oldies tonight, here’s a favorite of mine:

MP3 Audio

134 BeachDem  Aug 14, 2014 11:27:15pm

re: #130 Joanne

RWNJs are a collective. They live in the same bubble, read the same thing, say the same things, parrot each other. They all spew the same talking points (put out by the usual suspects). They’re the Borg.

Well, yes, there’s that. I just didn’t think that many people even knew who Dim Jim was. The only time I ever hear about him is here and when Wonkette makes fun of him.

135 freetoken  Aug 14, 2014 11:37:46pm

re: #134 BeachDem

He has nearly 40,000 followers in part because he jumped on the hate-Muslim bandwagon early.

All in Je$u$ name, of course.

136 teleskiguy  Aug 14, 2014 11:46:36pm

BTW, clickhole.com published Herman Melville’s novel Moby Dick in its entirety as a joke.

137 BeachDem  Aug 14, 2014 11:49:16pm

re: #135 freetoken

He has nearly 40,000 followers in part because he jumped on the hate-Muslim bandwagon early.

All in Je$u$ name, of course.

Ah, I didn’t know that. Makes sense, though—just another facet of his hateful personality.

138 freetoken  Aug 14, 2014 11:59:39pm

re: #137 BeachDem

A great number of the hate bloggers came into being, or at least some measure of success, post 9-11.

Fear mongering is a staple of politics at its worse. After 9-11 Americans were easy targets for this type of manipulation.

139 BeachDem  Aug 15, 2014 12:13:29am

re: #138 freetoken

A great number of the hate bloggers came into being, or at least some measure of success, post 9-11.

Fear mongering is a staple of politics at its worse. After 9-11 Americans were easy targets for this type of manipulation.

I guess I wasn’t following the blogosphere very closely back then. Lots of other events crashing in on my life. In retrospect, I guess I’m glad I didn’t.

140 GlutenFreeJesus  Aug 15, 2014 12:17:17am

re: #138 freetoken

A great number of the hate bloggers came into being, or at least some measure of success, post 9-11.

Fear mongering is a staple of politics at its worse. After 9-11 Americans were easy targets for this type of manipulation.

Nothing to do with 9/11. Everything to do with a black man with a foreign-sounding name being ejected President.

141 Shvaughn  Aug 15, 2014 12:26:11am

Heya everyone, I’m really happy to see that things have de-escalated in Ferguson, and I hope this can lead to lasting change (although I am not holding my breath).

Was out all evening with the sweetie so I am gonna turn in. Night!

142 freetoken  Aug 15, 2014 12:30:48am

re: #140 GlutenFreeJesus

The subject was, who is Dim Jim, and how did he get a foothold on the internet.

143 teleskiguy  Aug 15, 2014 12:34:28am

re: #142 freetoken

The subject was, who is Dim Jim, and how did he get a foothold on the internet.

Hey, @ClickHole has more followers than Dim Jim, that has to count for something. ClickHole uploaded Moby Dick to their servers, immeasurably better for humans than anything you’d read a Gateway Pundit.

144 GlutenFreeJesus  Aug 15, 2014 12:41:04am

re: #142 freetoken

The subject was, who is Dim Jim, and how did he get a foothold on the internet.

Oh I know. He wasn’t nearly this bad before 2008 is all I’m saying. (He sucked before but now, he’s just completely unhinged… All because of the reasons I stated above)

145 ausador  Aug 15, 2014 1:03:41am

Things just aint right in this country no more, you try to put some people back into their natural place in the order of things and what happens? You get these “outside agitators” coming in and trying to change things…

Amnesty International Sends Human Rights Delegation to Ferguson, Missouri

(FERGUSON, MO) - Today, Amnesty International USA announced that it has sent human rights delegation to Ferguson, MO to observe police and protester activity, gather testimony, seek meetings with officials and offer support to the community. The 12-person delegation also includes organizers who will train local activists on methods of non-violent protest.

“Law enforcement, from the FBI to state and local police, are obligated to respect and uphold the human rights of our communities. The U.S. cannot continue to allow those obligated and duty-bound to protect to become those who their community fears most,” said Amnesty International USA’s executive director, Steven W. Hawkins.

146 ausador  Aug 15, 2014 1:34:50am

Jeez, that stupid tweet from one of the supposed “Anonymous” accounts that claims to show a bigoted facebook post by the “wife of Ferguson chief of police” (that isn’t his wife) just wont die.

Even the retweets of retweets have retweet counts in the thousands. (boy twitter terms make for awkward sentence structure ehh?)

I mean the woman’s name is right there and you can rule her out as being the chiefs wife in 2 minutes or less via google (she lives in St. Petersburg, Fl. BTW). I guess people just want to believe it because it fits their own narrative. :(

Addendum:
Just saw that the Twitchy commenters are having fun with it, after all it fits their narrative that all liberals are liars…
twitchy.com

147 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Aug 15, 2014 1:49:38am

re: #146 ausador

People who give any credence to an anonymous source deserve all the misinformation they get

148 ausador  Aug 15, 2014 1:59:41am

Unwanted guest in the BBC studio…

Youtube Video

149 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Aug 15, 2014 2:09:18am

re: #148 ausador

Shelob!!!

150 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Aug 15, 2014 2:13:15am

re: #146 ausador

I still think that on average a liberal twitterer is smarter, it’s just there are quite a lot twitter-users in general, so proportions aside, there is a whole horde of liberal dumbasses.

151 KiTA  Aug 15, 2014 2:17:34am

Home after 2 weeks. Friend who was supposed to plant sit… didn’t.

A terrarium full of precious and mostly dead plants isn’t quite what I wanted to come home to. =/

152 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Aug 15, 2014 2:19:08am

re: #151 KiTA

And one friend less, I guess? Unless she had a real good reason…

153 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Aug 15, 2014 2:19:58am

re: #150 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

I still think that on average a liberal twitterer is smarter, it’s just there are quite a lot twitter-users in general, so proportions aside, there is a whole horde of liberal dumbasses.

Twitter does not lend itself to nuanced discussion or debate, just spouting talking points.

154 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Aug 15, 2014 2:21:31am

re: #153 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

It’s one thing to dumb down a discussion. It’s quite another to retweet misinformation.

155 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Aug 15, 2014 2:25:30am

re: #154 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

It’s one thing to dumb down a discussion. It’s quite another to retweet misinformation.

Twitter is good for finding out what your friends are up to or what they had for lunch. I do not see it as a source of news or a platform for any serious discussion

156 ausador  Aug 15, 2014 2:27:47am

re: #155 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Twitter is good for finding out what your friends are up to or what they had for lunch. I do not see it as a source of news or a platform for any serious discussion

Well it can be used effectively for those, but really only through sharing links to other sources/venues.

157 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Aug 15, 2014 2:28:16am

re: #155 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Neither is facebook. Or most blogging platforms.

Forums, thread-based blogging systems… and LGF.

158 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Aug 15, 2014 2:31:11am

re: #157 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

Neither is facebook. Or most blogging platforms.

Forums, thread-based blogging systems… and LGF.

Heck yes. I have defriended people on FB for getting too political. The occasional political post or reference does not bother me, but one fellow got to ranting about Obama to the point that I just canned him.

159 KiTA  Aug 15, 2014 2:32:54am

re: #152 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

And one friend less, I guess? Unless she had a real good reason…

The water I left is gone and he mentioned having to buy more, but… everything is so bone dry that I just don’t know what happened. I don’t know what to do. Just… purifing water right now and we’ll see what happens. The majority of plants at least have a green core still so they might come back in a few months / next year.

So is there a place to get a good summary of this Michael Brown situation?

As far as I can tell, it was some blatantly racist cops basically gunning down an unarmed teenager in front of multiple witnesses, the cops going into circle-the-wagons coverup mode, and it turning out that they are so far out of touch they felt they could react to the resultant protest + the media coverage like they were literally going to war?

160 ausador  Aug 15, 2014 2:34:47am

re: #159 KiTA

That is a fairly accurate assessment with what is known so far.

161 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Aug 15, 2014 2:43:16am

re: #159 KiTA

So is there a place to get a good summary of this Michael Brown situation?

As far as I can tell, it was some blatantly racist cops basically gunning down an unarmed teenager in front of multiple witnesses, the cops going into circle-the-wagons coverup mode, and it turning out that they are so far out of touch they felt they could react to the resultant protest + the media coverage like they were literally going to war?

And the right-wing press and blogoshpere ignoring the shooting and concentrating on the rioting and looting the ensued.

162 Dr Lizardo  Aug 15, 2014 2:44:52am

re: #47 Gus

That image is painted on the side of a music shop in Berlin - in the Friedrichshain neighborhood.

Morning, Lizards.

163 ausador  Aug 15, 2014 2:45:57am

re: #159 KiTA

Was trying to think of a source for a decent version of the story to date and just can’t. It seems like every MSM account I have read has been grossly inaccurate about some detail or another. Reporting really has gone a long way downhill lately it would seem.

Maybe this for a synopsis, the BBC usually at least gets most of the known facts correct…

bbc.com

164 ausador  Aug 15, 2014 2:47:17am

re: #161 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

And the right-wing press and blogoshpere ignoring the shooting and concentrating on the rioting and looting the ensued.

Don’t leave out the copious amounts of racist fuckwittery they are displaying.

On top of all of that they are trying to paint the victim as a gang member and thug when he wasn’t.

165 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Aug 15, 2014 2:49:48am

re: #164 ausador

Don’t leave out the copious amounts of racist fuckwittery they are displaying.

Not to mention trying to paint the victim as a gang member and thug when he wasn’t.

ah yes, he deserved to be shot in the back while running away with his hands in the air…

166 ausador  Aug 15, 2014 3:08:53am

Also the local officials are still stonewalling on releasing basic information, like the name of the officer who shot him and the autopsy results.

Kind of hard to check on the officers past history, service record and character when you don’t have the name. No one has any idea whether or not to put any faith in the officers version of events as they have been relayed so far.

They say they wont release the autopsy results until the toxicology panels are completed weeks from now. Possibly they just don’t want to admit how many times he was shot and where he was struck (back?). I don’t understand how the toxicology report is even relevant really. Will it suddenly make the (multiple) shooting justified if it turns out he has THC or cocaine or alcohol in his system?

Although I suppose that probably would help them with rightwing opinion since a lot of them are already trying to paint him as a “thug” who deserved whatever happened. :(

167 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Aug 15, 2014 3:16:22am

I assume the police in Ferguson were hoping that it would just blow over like all the other incidences of excessive force, and when it didn’t they over-reacted with - you guessed it - excessive force against the protesters.

When it degenerated into looting, the RW view was that the police shooting was an isolated incident but rioting and looting are all endemic to the black community.

168 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Aug 15, 2014 3:43:01am

WSJ: Gaza Crisis: Israel Outflanks the White House on Strategy
White House Now Scrutinizing Israeli Requests for Ammunition

online.wsj.com

169 KiTA  Aug 15, 2014 4:15:11am

One of the good things about this Michael Brown situation, and I hate to even use that phrase, is that the majority of the country is waking up to the fact that we have basically let Halliburton and the Military Industrial complex militarize our country’s police forces in the name of wingnut welfare. Maybe now it’ll stop — but I doubt it.

That is, of course, presuming that any Mainstream Media coverage of that fact continues after next week. Lots, LOTS of money being spent on this kit, and I can’t imagine they like the idea of losing their gravy train to a bunch of mere “civilians.”

170 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 15, 2014 4:33:40am

re: #51 Kragar

This guy was all over my timeline this morning. He’s apparently a fanboy of the Koch Brothers & claims they’re being unfairly “smeared” by Harry Reid & Soros

171 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 15, 2014 4:34:21am
172 Timothy Watson  Aug 15, 2014 4:45:52am

re: #117 teleskiguy

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Someone was talking about a t-shirt several posts back that was based off of that picture and wanted the original photograph.

173 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 15, 2014 4:46:31am

When they make the movie of Ferguson I expect to see this scene:

GOVERNOR: We need to defuse this situation!
AIDE: Yes sir!
GOVERNOR: We need a Black police officer. We need to put him in charge of Ferguson PD.
AIDE: I think I found one sir, a Missouri State Trooper.
GOVERNOR: We’ll get Shemar Moore to play him.

174 Timothy Watson  Aug 15, 2014 4:52:11am

I get the impression that Jim Hoft is staring at his computer monitor screaming “IS FERGUSON BURNING?!?!?!”

175 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 15, 2014 4:53:40am

Erick the Erick is so fucking clueless
Do you remember when we had dead white kids Erick? When a white kid takes a gun from his parents’ cache of prepper weapons, shoots up a school & is then shot by police or shoots himself.
We’ve had those dead white kids at Columbine, at Sandy Hook, but all you said was DONT TAKE ARE GUNZ AWAY!!!!!!

176 KiTA  Aug 15, 2014 4:53:46am

re: #170 Pie-onist Overlord

So that pageian guy is a bot of some kind or something similar, right? The vast majority of his tweets are PJ Media clickbait spam links.

177 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 15, 2014 4:54:14am

re: #176 KiTA

So that pageian guy is a bot of some kind or something similar, right? The vast majority of his tweets are PJ Media clickbait spam links.

OK then I’m blocking it.

178 Dr Lizardo  Aug 15, 2014 4:57:02am

re: #174 Timothy Watson

I get the impression that Jim Hoft is staring at his computer monitor screaming “IS FERGUSON BURNING?!?!?!”

I get the feeling that Jim Hoft is likely very sad that this hasn’t escalated into an outright massacre.

I’m sure the thought of that probably gives him a chub.

179 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Aug 15, 2014 5:11:44am

re: #169 KiTA

The main problem was not the equipment. It was the attitude.

180 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 15, 2014 5:12:45am
181 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Aug 15, 2014 5:12:57am

re: #179 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

The main problem was not the equipment. It was the attitude.

Give ‘em fancy toys and they just can’t wait to play with them…

182 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 15, 2014 5:16:48am
183 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Aug 15, 2014 5:19:51am

enormous armed police presence ——> rioting & looting

withdrawing police —-> peace and quiet

amazing.

184 KiTA  Aug 15, 2014 5:22:11am

Wow, I really did miss a lot — Netanyahu is openly trying to ignore the WH and order supplies from the DOD directly against the WH’s wishes? Holy crap, that’s brazen, even for Israel.

185 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 15, 2014 5:22:23am

SHEMAR MOORE AS CAPT. JOHNSON: Good evening. May I ask why you are out in the streets?

PROTESTOR: We’re marching because that innocent young man was killed for no reason.

CAPT. JOHNSON: That’s a terrible thing that happened to that young brother. I’ll walk with you.

186 KiTA  Aug 15, 2014 5:23:01am

re: #177 Pie-onist Overlord

Don’t just block - report it.

187 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 15, 2014 5:25:44am

re: #186 KiTA

Don’t just block - report it.

Nothing to report, just a stupid wingnut. It got into my timeline because it was butthurt over a Koch meme.

Maybe I’ll keep it around for a chew toy & then block it.

188 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 15, 2014 5:26:20am

Heh. Got another one.

189 FemNaziBitch  Aug 15, 2014 5:28:23am

How is it now?

190 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Aug 15, 2014 5:29:02am

re: #188 Pie-onist Overlord

That meme has been ground up, fried and wrapped in paper enough times to be finally retired.

191 Dr. Matt  Aug 15, 2014 5:31:21am

re: #178 Dr Lizardo

I get the feeling that Jim Hoft is likely very sad that this hasn’t escalated into an outright massacre.

I get the feeling that Jim Hoft is seriously a very, very stupid “man”.

192 ausador  Aug 15, 2014 5:39:56am

re: #191 Dr. Matt

I get the feeling that Jim Hoft is seriously a very, very stupid “man”.

Still officially “The Dumbest Man on The Internet”
google.com

(he is also a welsher since he still owes Wonkette $3150)

193 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 15, 2014 5:40:09am

re: #190 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

That meme has been ground up, fried and wrapped in paper enough times to be finally retired.

I’m still seeing wingnuts who believe the automatic future is right around the corner.

194 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 15, 2014 5:43:14am

These automation dumbasses also don’t know the difference between an ordering kiosk (which are already installed at many locations) and a machine that performs actual food preparation (which is not in production anywhere in the world although there is a prototype)

195 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 15, 2014 5:45:44am

Apparently, Winter is coming:

196 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 15, 2014 5:48:48am

Libertarian think “taking shit” is part of the job description:

197 FemNaziBitch  Aug 15, 2014 5:49:45am

re: #196 Pie-onist Overlord

Libertarian think “taking shit” is part of the job description:

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I prefer the Pay Your People LIke They’re Partners ideology.

198 lawhawk  Aug 15, 2014 5:50:12am

re: #180 Pie-onist Overlord

199 FemNaziBitch  Aug 15, 2014 5:50:52am

OMG! My printer has an email address?

People can email me and it will print.

Who knew?

BTW, SD card reader debacle is going to result in a trip to the Genius Bar.

PITA!!

Thanks for everyone’s input last night.

200 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Aug 15, 2014 5:51:19am

re: #197 FemNaziBitch

I prefer the Pay Your People LIke They’re Partners ideology.

How about “treat them like human beings and not just office supplies”?

201 Lidane  Aug 15, 2014 5:51:23am

re: #178 Dr Lizardo

I get the feeling that Jim Hoft is likely very sad that this hasn’t escalated into an outright massacre.

That goes triple for the entire RWNJ contingent. They’re upset that they didn’t get to see the start of a second Civil War this week, with the blahs being put in their rightful place ZOMG and the brave white man mowing down these uppity types who think that Mike Brown deserves justice.

202 Lidane  Aug 15, 2014 5:52:34am

Hahaha. This is awesome:

Fallon to CNN: Fear Not, Ferguson Police Only Arrest Real Journalists

In light of Ferguson police infamously arresting two journalists on Wednesday evening during ongoing protests, Jimmy Fallon took the opportunity to jab at CNN.

“So everyone’s talking about what’s going on in Ferguson, Missouri,” he began. “It’s a pretty tense situation that just keeps getting worse. The police have actually just started arresting journalists. This is true.”

And the punchline: “But when the cops saw the crew from CNN, they were like, ‘No, you guys are fine.’”

Ouch.

203 FemNaziBitch  Aug 15, 2014 5:58:17am

re: #200 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

How about “treat them like human beings and not just office supplies”?

Well, that’s a nice idea too :)

204 Lidane  Aug 15, 2014 5:59:03am

re: #194 Pie-onist Overlord

These automation dumbasses also don’t know the difference between an ordering kiosk (which are already installed at many locations) and a machine that performs actual food preparation (which is not in production anywhere in the world although there is a prototype)

So what you’re saying is that they know just as much about technology as they do economics. Heh.

205 A Mom Anon  Aug 15, 2014 6:01:54am

re: #191 Dr. Matt

That’s because Hate is a brain eating virus. Kinda like mad cow disease only not as quick.

206 Dr Lizardo  Aug 15, 2014 6:03:57am

re: #201 Lidane

That goes triple for the entire RWNJ contingent. They’re upset that they didn’t get to see the start of a second Civil War this week, with the blahs being put in their rightful place ZOMG and the brave white man mowing down these uppity types who think that Mike Brown deserves justice.

That’s precisely what it is - they wanted their little Armageddon in Ferguson, and they didn’t get it, so now they all have a major sad.

Sick mentality the wingnuts have, that’s for sure.

BBL.

207 FemNaziBitch  Aug 15, 2014 6:04:11am

Happy Pictures

208 Bulworth  Aug 15, 2014 6:05:35am

re:
#183

Yeah, I totally don’t get it. Complete mystery. Shocking.

//

209 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 15, 2014 6:05:55am

Instead of answering a simple question he spouts wingnut bullshit talking points.

210 Timothy Watson  Aug 15, 2014 6:07:30am

re: #193 Pie-onist Overlord

I’m still seeing wingnuts who believe the automatic future is right around the corner.

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Those automated cashier things worked out so well most Wal-Marts got rid of them.

211 FemNaziBitch  Aug 15, 2014 6:08:26am

212 Bulworth  Aug 15, 2014 6:08:28am

So, not that I’m implying causality, I’m just asking questions, but I’m just wondering how it was that once Obama called Nixon, Nixon replaced the police in Ferguson, the tear gas and tanks got put away, and calm was restored, they’re apparently going to name the shooter cop today. Damn. Obama gets shit done.

213 Bulworth  Aug 15, 2014 6:09:33am

So Obama calls Nixon, Nixons gets the tanks and tear gas off the streets, everything settles down, they’re going to name the shooter cop today. Optics. How the f0ck does it work?

214 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 15, 2014 6:10:24am

re: #210 Timothy Watson

Those automated cashier things worked out so well most Wal-Marts got rid of them.

They still require an actual cashier every 4 stations.

215 FemNaziBitch  Aug 15, 2014 6:10:52am

8:25 p.m. UPDATE: According to Texas Department of Public Safety Spokesperson Robbie Barrera, the group was blocking a pedestrian crosswalk near the intersection of 11th Street and Congress Avenue. They were arrested after refusing to move. Each person was charged with obstructing highway or other passageway, a class B misdemeanor.

Video at link, protestors outside Texas Governors Mansion

216 Bulworth  Aug 15, 2014 6:10:58am

And Maliki is out in Iraq, with the hopes of unifying the country to some extent.

But that clown reporter Jon Karl can go back to fretting about Obama’s golfing time.

Obama: I’m the guy getting things done. You must be the other guy.

217 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 15, 2014 6:11:21am

And the bullshit motivational talking points just keep on coming. He must teach at Koch University.

218 lawhawk  Aug 15, 2014 6:12:54am

re: #214 Pie-onist Overlord

And the cashiers still have to intervene whenever there’s an issue with the code readers (which is frequently). Far from saving businesses money, they actually can cost them in the long term - you need both personnel to address faults, and you’ve got to maintain/fix/upgrade them regularly.

From a customer service perspective, it’s a mixed bag. When everyone shopping knows how to swipe and handle the transactions, it’s potentially quicker, but it takes just one bad item or scanner to gum things up. And people tend to respond better to a live cashier than a computer terminal.

219 Franklin  Aug 15, 2014 6:14:45am
220 PhillyPretzel  Aug 15, 2014 6:15:00am

re: #218 lawhawk

I tried one of those self serve registers at Wegman’s. One of the cashiers had to guide me through it. I prefer a human cashier. It is much nicer.

221 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 15, 2014 6:16:54am

Things that make you go “hmmmmmmm”…

222 Ian G.  Aug 15, 2014 6:17:06am

re: #195 Backwoods_Sleuth

The forecast high for Lake Placid, NY is 55 today. Yeah, I know it’s the Adirondacks and all, but still. It’s August.

223 Lidane  Aug 15, 2014 6:18:44am

re: #210 Timothy Watson

Those automated cashier things worked out so well most Wal-Marts got rid of them.

Haven’t been to a Walmart in ages, but I used one of those stupid things once. Not only did it sit there blaring “PLEASE PLACE YOUR ITEMS IN THE BAGGING AREA” over and over because it couldn’t register the light items (makeup, socks, and hair ties) that I’d bought, but it took several tries to get it to read my debit card.

Thanks but no. Give me a human being that can get me checked out and on my way quickly.

224 PhillyPretzel  Aug 15, 2014 6:19:14am

re: #222 Ian G.

NE Philly now.
forecast.weather.gov

225 Kilroy01  Aug 15, 2014 6:19:39am

re: #221 Backwoods_Sleuth

Maybe he was visited by three spirits last night?

226 FemNaziBitch  Aug 15, 2014 6:19:45am

227 FemNaziBitch  Aug 15, 2014 6:20:48am

re: #220 PhillyPretzel

I tried one of those self serve registers at Wegman’s. One of the cashiers had to guide me through it. I prefer a human cashier. It is much nicer.

I’ve been a cashier. If I wanted to ring groceries, I’d get a job doing so.

If they offered me a discount for doing it myself (like they used to with self-serve gas), I might consider it.

228 Ian G.  Aug 15, 2014 6:21:25am

re: #201 Lidane

That goes triple for the entire RWNJ contingent. They’re upset that they didn’t get to see the start of a second Civil War this week, with the blahs being put in their rightful place ZOMG and the brave white man mowing down these uppity types who think that Mike Brown deserves justice.

Exactly. The Drudge/Breitbart/Limbaugh axis wants a race war.

And say what you want about Libertarians (and I have said a lot about their ideas for economic policy), but the real ones have been great on this topic. Radley Balko in particular has been screaming about the militarization of police long before Ferguson. He’s one of the good guys here:

twitter.com

229 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 15, 2014 6:21:32am

This guy is so fucking dumb.

230 PhillyPretzel  Aug 15, 2014 6:22:35am

re: #227 FemNaziBitch

I have been a cashier too. Community College of Philadelphia bookstore. You should see the looks on peoples faces when the total comes up. Sticker shock.

231 lawhawk  Aug 15, 2014 6:24:03am
232 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 15, 2014 6:24:35am

“Follow directions” and “get to work on time” are great professional skills to put on a resume. I guess Mark doesn’t have any other skills.

233 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 15, 2014 6:25:34am

re: #232 Pie-onist Overlord

“Follow directions” and “get to work on time” are great professional skills to put on a resume. I guess Mark doesn’t have any other skills.

I learned all that stuff in kindergarten.
Guess I didn’t have to waste my time with any other schooling or job training after that.

234 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Aug 15, 2014 6:27:10am

re: #232 Pie-onist Overlord

The fellow seems to share a commonly held opinion that minimum-wage workers are lowly scum of the earth who deserve no better.

In fact, they do not even deserve a legal minimum wage, it should be abolished. Nor do they deserve food stamps or government aid. They should just perish.

So much for “the dignity of hard work”.

235 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 15, 2014 6:27:21am

Ferguson presser coming up, supposed to name the officer.

236 Rightwingconspirator  Aug 15, 2014 6:28:17am

re: #220 PhillyPretzel

When CVS and Ralphs put those in there was a bit of a fight. At first the unions objected. And if you were buying any alcohol such as a six pack, a cashier had to ok the transaction.

Then the state passed a rule that no alcohol could be sold via auto cashier. Ostensibly to prevent minor sales of booze. Some say “public safety” some say “union influence”.

I don’t like them. I prefer people. Neighbors really.

237 Lidane  Aug 15, 2014 6:28:44am

re: #230 PhillyPretzel

I have been a cashier too. Community College of Philadelphia bookstore. You should see the looks on peoples faces when the total comes up. Sticker shock.

Back in grad school I made the decision to buy all my books used and online. Going through the university bookstore would have cost me almost $1200 one semester. Buying everything used on Amazon ran me less than $400, and that included a couple of books I’d thrown in just for fun.

I also remember one prof assigning us a packet of a dozen case studies in an envelope. That envelope would have cost almost $200 on its own. Simple research showed that most of those cases were available online for free or for just a few bucks. There were only a few that we’d have to buy. We all pitched in the money and one guy in the class bought the packet. He then scanned each file into a PDF and did a mass e-mail to the rest of us. The bookstore got confused about why the packets didn’t sell.

238 FemNaziBitch  Aug 15, 2014 6:29:01am

Happy Birthday Ethel Page!

239 Decatur Deb  Aug 15, 2014 6:29:04am

re: #214 Pie-onist Overlord

They still require an actual cashier every 4 stations.

Using one is like crossing a picket line. I’ve abandoned a cart in a long line rather than use one.

240 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 15, 2014 6:29:26am
241 FemNaziBitch  Aug 15, 2014 6:29:50am

re: #234 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

The fellow seems to share a commonly held opinion that minimum-wage workers are lowly scum of the earth who deserve no better.

In fact, they do not even deserve a legal minimum wage, it should be abolished. Nor do they deserve food stamps or government aid. They should just perish.

So much for “the dignity of hard work”.

I’m beginning to think that minimum wage is synonymous with slave in the minds of many.

242 Timothy Watson  Aug 15, 2014 6:30:08am

re: #230 PhillyPretzel

I have been a cashier too. Community College of Philadelphia bookstore. You should see the looks on peoples faces when the total comes up. Sticker shock.

Yeah, been on the other side of that conversation a lot recently. I’be been working a post-baccalaureate certificate in accounting and some of the prices of the books are outragous.

243 Lidane  Aug 15, 2014 6:30:20am

re: #232 Pie-onist Overlord

“Follow directions” and “get to work on time” are great professional skills to put on a resume. I guess Mark doesn’t have any other skills.

Anyone who puts “follows directions” and “gets to work on time” on their resume deserves to stay unemployed. Those are just obvious things. It’s like that Chris Rock routine where he skewers people for bragging that they take care of their kids and they stay out of jail. “You’re supposed to do those things. What do you want, a cookie?!”

244 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 15, 2014 6:30:24am

re: #234 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

The fellow seems to share a commonly held opinion that minimum-wage workers are lowly scum of the earth who deserve no better.

In fact, they do not even deserve a legal minimum wage, it should be abolished. Nor do they deserve food stamps or government aid. They should just perish.

So much for “the dignity of hard work”.

That’s the Koch Plan.

245 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 15, 2014 6:31:08am

re: #241 FemNaziBitch

I’m beginning to think that minimum wage is synonymous with slave in the minds of many.

A favorite TCOT meme, because they have to have someone to look down on:

246 FemNaziBitch  Aug 15, 2014 6:31:10am

247 b.d.  Aug 15, 2014 6:31:19am

re: #229 Pie-onist Overlord

This guy is so fucking dumb.

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My hobbies include being on time, good hygiene and sneaking weird, bizarre tidbits into conversations and resumes.

248 FemNaziBitch  Aug 15, 2014 6:31:43am

re: #243 Lidane

Anyone who puts “follows directions” and “gets to work on time” on their resume deserves to stay unemployed. Those are just obvious things. It’s like that Chris Rock routine where he skewers people for bragging that they take care of their kids and they stay out of jail. “You’re supposed to do those things. What do you want, a cookie?!”

Those traits would have appealed to my last boss.

That is how bad the pool of candidates can be.

249 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 15, 2014 6:31:54am

OK he’s boring. Blocked now.

250 Bulworth  Aug 15, 2014 6:32:52am

re:
#221

Once one of the professionals with um, professional job skills came in to show them how it’s done this guy could go out and try to learn something.

251 Timothy Watson  Aug 15, 2014 6:32:56am

re: #237 Lidane

Back in grad school I made the decision to buy all my books used and online. Going through the university bookstore would have cost me almost $1200 one semester. Buying everything used on Amazon ran me less than $400, and that included a couple of books I’d thrown in just for fun.

I also remember one prof assigning us a packet of a dozen case studies in an envelope. That envelope would have cost almost $200 on its own. Simple research showed that most of those cases were available online for free or for just a few bucks. There were only a few that we’d have to buy. We all pitched in the money and one guy in the class bought the packet. He then scanned each file into a PDF and did a mass e-mail to the rest of us. The bookstore got confused about why the packets didn’t sell.

One of my favorite professors when working on my undergrad assign us four books that available as mass-market paperbacks plus he had a gallery of one he posted on Blackboard.

252 Eventual Carrion  Aug 15, 2014 6:34:41am

re: #218 lawhawk

And the cashiers still have to intervene whenever there’s an issue with the code readers (which is frequently). Far from saving businesses money, they actually can cost them in the long term - you need both personnel to address faults, and you’ve got to maintain/fix/upgrade them regularly.

From a customer service perspective, it’s a mixed bag. When everyone shopping knows how to swipe and handle the transactions, it’s potentially quicker, but it takes just one bad item or scanner to gum things up. And people tend to respond better to a live cashier than a computer terminal.

Yep, same as everyone is so happy with automated phone answering systems at businesses when you call.

253 PhillyPretzel  Aug 15, 2014 6:35:05am

Buy text books on amazon. Save money. Tell Koch and company to take a high dive into a thimble.

254 Eventual Carrion  Aug 15, 2014 6:35:31am

re: #219 Franklin Brewsevelt

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Looks like they jumped a Cheetos vendor and took his product.

255 FemNaziBitch  Aug 15, 2014 6:36:35am

Police: Cult leader wanted for sex assault seen in Washington

Washington State Patrol detectives say they’ve gotten what they think is a credible tip that a self-professed minister accused of sexually abusing at least two girls at his religious fellowship in rural Minnesota has been seen in Raymond, near the Washington coast.

256 Bulworth  Aug 15, 2014 6:37:04am

Mmmmm, I love the smell of payday Fridays in the morning. Smells like….money.

257 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Aug 15, 2014 6:37:16am

re: #253 PhillyPretzel

Buy text books on amazon. Save money. Tell Koch and company to take a high dive into a thimble.

Kids starting in high school should just receive a Kindle and be able to download all their texts as needed.

259 Timothy Watson  Aug 15, 2014 6:38:41am

re: #253 PhillyPretzel

Buy text books on amazon. Save money. Tell Koch and company to take a high dive into a thimble.

I try but there’s been cases where Amazon is more expensive or doesn’t have the book.

260 lawhawk  Aug 15, 2014 6:38:45am

Fancy that. After a change in police command structure yesterday by Gov. Nixon, who put the Highway Patrol in charge, there was no violence in Ferguson relating to the protests, it was civil, and there were no arrests made.

How’d that happen? Simple. The police deescalated by removing the group of officers that initiated the heavy handed tactics - the STL county police. With that one simple act, the situation calmed down significantly. The MO Highway Patrol chief, Capt. Johnson marched with protesters. Officers under his command marched with protesters. Ferguson cops marched and mingled with protesters.

It is more than a night and day change. It shows just how the county police escalated the situation to a violent degree. The changes don’t eliminate the problems for the town or law enforcement. There are still people aggrieved and angered by the death of Michael Brown, and there’s a need for Ferguson police to be more forthcoming with details about his death at the hands of a Ferguson cop.

This situation highlights the need for police departments to review all of their procedures regarding officer-involved shootings and excessive force cases. Departments should be more forthcoming about the details to the public. Identify the officers involved, etc.

It’s a more difficult question as who should investigate the cops who are involved in these situations. Not every department is large enough to have an internal affairs division or there’s not enough transparency to allow that self-investigation to occur. So, states and localities have to figure out a consistent method to handle these cases. It may mean that any case involving an officer-involved death automatically gets handled by the State Police (or if the state police is the agency involved, another designated agency within the jurisdiction). Prosecutors would come from the state AG office to handle.

But the process must be transparent. It’s the least we should expect and demand of law enforcement. They do a tremendously difficult job and the methodology of treating these cases shouldn’t be done on an ad hoc basis either. They deserve to know exactly how every single case will be handled.

It also minimizes the politicization of the cases by prosecutors, law enforcement, and politicians (and in some cases, there’s overlap since some law enforcement and legal positions are elected like county sheriffs, some prosecutors, attorneys general, etc.)

These are sensible measures, and states and localities should work to do this as soon as possible. It shouldn’t take deaths, protests, and riots, to focus attention on this longstanding problem. And we don’t even know the true scope of the problem since there’s no uniform statistics to count on. We need states and localities to require reporting all excessive force cases, along with statistics about officer-involved shootings and deaths while in police custody. The statistics can include details about those deaths occurring where the deceased had weapons in possession, were in the midst of committing crimes, etc., to separate those that are legitimate use of force incidents from those that appear to be excessive force instances (as appears to be the case in Ferguson).

But I get the sense that as the situation settles down in Ferguson, everyone will lose attention on this and the status quo will persist.

261 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 15, 2014 6:39:14am

re: #258 FemNaziBitch

Anonymous To ID Michael Brown’s Killer - Already Has Paralyzed Ferguson

They gave out some random guy’s name yesterday, who has nothing to do with Ferguson PD. Now he’s fucked.

262 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 15, 2014 6:41:33am

re: #261 Pie-onist Overlord

They gave out some random guy’s name yesterday, who has nothing to do with Ferguson PD. Now he’s fucked.

Same thing with the fake FB post by the supposed wife of Chief Jackson. I’m still seeing that floating around.

263 lawhawk  Aug 15, 2014 6:43:48am

re: #259 Timothy Watson

You can also look at renting books, instead of buying them. The whole textbook industry is a mess, where they’ll frequently issue new editions even though the information is the substantially the same as prior editions. It’s one thing to have new editions of organic chem or biology to address new information, but this happens across all disciplines.

264 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 15, 2014 6:44:15am

Ferguson presser just started.

265 PhillyPretzel  Aug 15, 2014 6:46:42am

re: #264 Backwoods_Sleuth

Yes it did. I am at Wegman’s and they have it on their big screen TV.

266 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 15, 2014 6:47:12am

Darren Wilson. Officer for six years, no previous disciplinary actions.

267 lawhawk  Aug 15, 2014 6:48:07am

More on the underlying problems with the Ferguson PD.

Police in Ferguson, Missouri, once charged a man with destruction of property for bleeding on their uniforms while four of them allegedly beat him.

“On and/or about the 20th day of Sept. 20, 2009 at or near 222 S. Florissant within the corporate limits of Ferguson, Missouri, the above named defendant did then and there unlawfully commit the offense of ‘property damage’ to wit did transfer blood to the uniform,” reads the charge sheet.

The address is the headquarters of the Ferguson Police Department, where a 52-year-old welder named Henry Davis was taken in the predawn hours on that date. He had been arrested for an outstanding warrant that proved to actually be for another man of the same surname, but a different middle name and Social Security number.

“I said, ‘I told you guys it wasn’t me,’” Davis later testified.

He recalled the booking officer saying, “We have a problem.”

The booking officer had no other reason to hold Davis, who ended up in Ferguson only because he missed the exit for St. Charles and then pulled off the highway because the rain was so heavy he could not see to drive. The cop who had pulled up behind him must have run his license plate and assumed he was that other Henry Davis. Davis said the cop approached his vehicle, grabbed his cellphone from his hand, cuffed him and placed him in the back seat of the patrol car, without a word of explanation.

But the booking officer was not ready just to let Davis go, and proceeded to escort him to a one-man cell that already had a man in it asleep on the lone bunk. Davis says that he asked the officer if he could at least have one of the sleeping mats that were stacked nearby.

“He said I wasn’t getting one,” Davis said.

Davis balked at being a second man in a one-man cell.

It went downhill from there, and multiple officers were called in to move Davis to a cell. He was bloodied up in the incident, and was then charged with dirtying the police officers’ uniforms with his blood spilled over refusing to be in a cell meant for one person.

The civil suit went into the bizarre - as the officer who wrote up the report claimed that no blood was spilled, other officers testified that their uniforms weren’t dirty.

The bottom line? The Department was dirty, and they have serious operational issues at all levels.

268 lawhawk  Aug 15, 2014 6:49:12am
269 Timothy Watson  Aug 15, 2014 6:49:20am

I am a vet’s office right now waiting in line: Why the fuck won’t people control their dogs when they bring them to the vets?

270 PhillyPretzel  Aug 15, 2014 6:49:45am

re: #266 Backwoods_Sleuth

So they say. I am a bit of a cynic but I believe he might have done something like this before.

271 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 15, 2014 6:50:14am

Chief Jackson started the presser by reading dispatch timeline.
Supposedly there was a call for a “strong arm robbery” at a convenience store right before Michael Brown was shot.

272 FemNaziBitch  Aug 15, 2014 6:50:41am

re: #267 lawhawk

More on the underlying problems with the Ferguson PD.

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It went downhill from there, and multiple officers were called in to move Davis to a cell. He was bloodied up in the incident, and was then charged with dirtying the police officers’ uniforms with his blood spilled over refusing to be in a cell meant for one person.

The civil suit went into the bizarre - as the officer who wrote up the report claimed that no blood was spilled, other officers testified that their uniforms weren’t dirty.

The bottom line? The Department was dirty, and they have serious operational issues at all levels.

This department is beginning to see as well run as the one in which Zimmerman got away with murder. I’d say keystone kops, but that would imply a lack of intent.

273 darthstar  Aug 15, 2014 6:51:06am

re: #268 lawhawk

Is that the same name Anon released the other day? I ignored their tweets about it at the time.

274 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 15, 2014 6:51:33am

Jackson also said that a second officer and a supervisor arrived after the shooting, and that an ambulance was there to “assess” Michael Brown.

275 Feline Fearless Leader  Aug 15, 2014 6:51:35am

re: #222 Ian G.

The forecast high for Lake Placid, NY is 55 today. Yeah, I know it’s the Adirondacks and all, but still. It’s August.

On the bright side 55F makes the mosquitoes a bit sluggish.

276 FemNaziBitch  Aug 15, 2014 6:51:48am

re: #269 Timothy Watson

I am a vet’s office right now waiting in line: Why the fuck won’t people control their dogs when they bring them to the vets?

That is a situation that should be controlled by the vet’s office. Unruly dogs are to be taken outside. Employee should go to the door and call outside when the room is available.

277 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 15, 2014 6:51:49am

re: #273 darthstar

Is that the same name Anon released the other day? I ignored their tweets about it at the time.

No, it was not the same name.

278 FemNaziBitch  Aug 15, 2014 6:52:48am

Dogs are enjoying their morning nap. I am not so lucky today -off to face the world.

bbl

279 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Aug 15, 2014 6:53:18am

So apparently the officer may be, himself, black.

stltoday.com

If true, get ready for a gigantic torrent of ugliness and entirely-missing-the-point-ness from the right wing.

280 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 15, 2014 6:53:30am
281 lawhawk  Aug 15, 2014 6:53:52am

re: #273 darthstar

Nope. They identified someone who wasn’t even a member of the Ferguson PD.

282 lawhawk  Aug 15, 2014 6:54:55am

re: #279 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

Yup. Excessive force is still excessive force.

But if the officer is black, how exactly will the KKK play this one, since they were raising money for the officer. /

283 Timothy Watson  Aug 15, 2014 6:55:03am

re: #280 Backwoods_Sleuth

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So, a cop responding to a robbery call stop to call out two guys for walking in a street?

284 Lidane  Aug 15, 2014 6:55:20am

re: #263 lawhawk

You can also look at renting books, instead of buying them. The whole textbook industry is a mess, where they’ll frequently issue new editions even though the information is the substantially the same as prior editions. It’s one thing to have new editions of organic chem or biology to address new information, but this happens across all disciplines.

Case in point — law classes. For our business law class in grad school we were assigned this book. At that point, the 11th Edition was the most current, so the first syllabus we got asked for it. Then over the summer they released the 12th Edition, so the syllabus changed.

The only substantive difference between the 11th and 12th Editions were some of the cases used as examples. All the relevant information was the same. Most people just bought or rented used versions of the 11th since it was cheaper. Only a handful rented or bought new copies of the 12th. The prof ended up using the cases in the book as jumping off points into other discussions rather than talking about them specifically to ease the confusion.

285 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 15, 2014 6:56:05am
286 Dr Lizardo  Aug 15, 2014 6:56:51am

So, OT, but I just back from the store, and sure enough - prices are starting to decline.

A one-liter box of UHT milk is now down to 13 Czech Koruna - two weeks ago, it was 18 Kč. And this wasn’t a sale price; I asked and they said it’s the new price. I was told they’re expecting by the middle of September, it’ll probably be even lower, perhaps down to 9 Kč/liter. That puts it at about $2.00/gallon.

Not bad.

287 Bulworth  Aug 15, 2014 6:57:32am

re:
#281

Hey, c’mon. Everybody makes mistakes. ////

288 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 15, 2014 6:57:43am

My surprised face…

289 darthstar  Aug 15, 2014 6:58:27am

re: #277 Backwoods_Sleuth

No, it was not the same name.

Good. I like it when self-righteous fuckers are wrong.

290 becominginvisible  Aug 15, 2014 6:59:29am

I am not surprised that the police are claiming Brown was involved in stealing from a store.

291 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Aug 15, 2014 7:01:03am

re: #261 Pie-onist Overlord

They gave out some random guy’s name yesterday, who has nothing to do with Ferguson PD. Now he’s fucked.

People who give credence to any anonymous source are not only gullible assholes, but often wind up being complicit in character assassination.

292 Feline Fearless Leader  Aug 15, 2014 7:03:18am

re: #251 Timothy Watson

One of my favorite professors when working on my undergrad assign us four books that available as mass-market paperbacks plus he had a gallery of one he posted on Blackboard.

When I was working in a university’s business school library back in the mid 1980s they had photocopies of papers or articles and books needed for classes put on the reserved books shelves behind the front desk. In order to get access to one you had to turn over your ID to get the book or photocopy - and it couldn’t leave the library.

So one summer day I’m working the front desk while one of the full-time librarians is on her lunch break. A professor turns up and wants one of the reserved books. Not to check it out temporarily, she wants to take it for some undisclosed purpose.

And I wouldn’t give it to her.

About 2-3 minutes into a professor getting heated up over some dorky undergraduate clerk not bowing to her whim the librarian on lunch break turns up and just tells me to go shelf books. (She had been eating lunch sitting at a table back behind the book shelves and had heard the entire exchange.)

I never found out how things worked out. I do know that the book was still there later that afternoon and there were no repercussions regarding my employment there.

I knew from working on weekends that the book in question was checked out a lot by grad students doing class work. And I was also aware that books being “checked out” by professors often meant that they disappeared down a black hole never to be seen again. We had a file of those books, and some had been gone for over six years. And when I got tasked later that summer with sorting out some boxes put in storage by professors a few turned up.

293 lawhawk  Aug 15, 2014 7:05:56am

re: #290 becominginvisible

Like much else that has come out of the Department, take any claims they make about Brown with a grain of salt. They have an institutional need to protect their own, and that includes denigrating Brown by linking him to a crime, even though there’s no support for that statement.

Also, it would appear that by doing so, they’re policing based on skin color. The strong arm robbers were black, and here are two black guys, so they must be the same two. Racial profiling, which goes back to earlier statistics showing that blacks are disproportionately stopped by Ferguson PD, even though whites have a higher contraband hit rate.

294 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 15, 2014 7:07:28am

re: #291 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

People who give credence to any anonymous source are not only gullible assholes, but often wind up being complicit in character assassination.

I was very disappointed yesterday to see that Wonkette repeated the wrong guy’s name EVEN AFTER THEY KNEW IT WAS THE WRONG GUY.

295 Feline Fearless Leader  Aug 15, 2014 7:07:33am

re: #269 Timothy Watson

I am a vet’s office right now waiting in line: Why the fuck won’t people control their dogs when they bring them to the vets?

Because their dogs are like their children and are the best-behaved angelic creatures in the world until corrupted by the satanic pets of others.

Of course.

296 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 15, 2014 7:07:59am
297 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 15, 2014 7:09:03am

If only those Black teenagers would work for, oh I don’t know, NOTHING, then they would all have full employment!

298 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 15, 2014 7:10:00am

re: #269 Timothy Watson

I am a vet’s office right now waiting in line: Why the fuck won’t people control their dogs when they bring them to the vets?

Because the same people won’t control their kids when they bring them to the pediatrician.

299 Dr. Matt  Aug 15, 2014 7:11:59am

Far leftists are busily scouring the internet to “prove” that Darren Wilson is a ‘racist conservative’ simultaneously far righties are busily scouring the internet to “prove” that Darren Wilson is ‘racist Democrat who voted for Obama’.

300 becominginvisible  Aug 15, 2014 7:13:09am

re: #293 lawhawk

I’m watching St.Louis Fox live stream and the reporter just pointed out what I was thinking. The original report was the officer asked Brown to get out of the street and it escalated to Brown trying to get the officers gun. Now the report is that Brown was part of a store robbery and the officer was looking for a suspect that was dressed as Brown was. Interesting to listen to reporters hashing out the inconsistencies and complaining about the Police chief babbling and leaving without clarifying anything.

301 Lidane  Aug 15, 2014 7:20:05am

re: #299 Dr. Matt

Far leftists are busily scouring the internet to “prove” that Darren Wilson is a ‘racist conservative’ simultaneously far righties are busily scouring the internet to “prove” that Darren Wilson is ‘racist Democrat who voted for Obama’.

And all of them are missing the goddamn point.

If the police story is that a robbery took place nearby and the cop thought Brown was the suspect, that still doesn’t justify the cop emptying his gun into Brown. Ever. It basically brings up all the issues of racial profiling that lawhawk mentioned, and it turns this tragedy into a case of mistaken identity and a cop using lethal force when he had no reason to do so.

This cop shot first and asked questions later, and a kid died for it. Here’s a kid who was, by all accounts a good kid that was working hard to get out and make something positive out of his life and he was murdered by a trigger happy cop who thought he’d broken the law.

302 BlueSpotinAL  Aug 15, 2014 7:21:17am

re: #297 Pie-onist Overlord

If only those Black teenagers would work for, oh I don’t know, NOTHING, then they would all have full employment!

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Everybody knows they do not have professional skills such as being punctual.

303 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 15, 2014 7:21:38am
304 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 15, 2014 7:22:50am

Dim Jim is ON IT like STINK ON SHIT

305 becominginvisible  Aug 15, 2014 7:24:30am

re: #301 Lidane

Neighbor is saying Brown couldn’t have walked from the Quick Trip to where he was shot in the 5 minutes the report claims.

306 Kilroy01  Aug 15, 2014 7:24:48am

re: #303 Pie-onist Overlord

I’m sure these pictures where picked at random.

The cop that shot him never saw any of these so this is just to smear a dead kid in an attempt to justify the killing.

307 Bulworth  Aug 15, 2014 7:26:34am

re:
#304

I wonder if they at least positively identified the guy in the video as wearing the same shirt/cap as Brown when he was shot.

308 Lidane  Aug 15, 2014 7:26:35am

re: #305 becominginvisible

Neighbor is saying Brown couldn’t have walked from the Quick Trip to where he was shot in the 5 minutes the report claims.

Also, why would a kid that is about to start college and who has worked hard to try and get out of Ferguson suddenly jeopardize his future by robbing a store? That makes no goddamn sense.

This smells like more CYA from the cops. Yeah, they named the killer, but they’re trying to turn Michael Brown into a thug to justify it. It’s bullshit.

309 becominginvisible  Aug 15, 2014 7:27:01am

re: #306 Kilroy01

The officer had seen video footage from surveillance and went out to look for suspects. According to the Police chief. Someone is yelling at TV crew she has a picture of Brown at the shooting scene and he is not wearing what the surveillance camera shows. wild stuff right now.

310 PhillyPretzel  Aug 15, 2014 7:28:33am

OT I just posted a page on a scam. littlegreenfootballs.com

311 Timothy Watson  Aug 15, 2014 7:28:55am

Does anyone still have the video of Brown’s body on the sidewalk and want to compare clothing?

312 Kilroy01  Aug 15, 2014 7:29:57am

re: #311 Timothy Watson

I did, it looks like him. Same clothing but no hat as far as I can see.

313 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 15, 2014 7:32:56am

TCOT is is in a frenzy of righteous racism

314 lawhawk  Aug 15, 2014 7:33:13am

re: #308 Lidane

Also, why would a kid that is about to start college and who has worked hard to try and get out of Ferguson suddenly jeopardize his future by robbing a store? That makes no goddamn sense.

This smells like more CYA from the cops. Yeah, they named the killer, but they’re trying to turn Michael Brown into a thug to justify it. It’s bullshit.

People can and do stupid things. Petit larceny shouldn’t be a death sentence.

315 Kilroy01  Aug 15, 2014 7:34:18am

So Brown paid for the cigars.. and left with the cigars.
So how is this a robbery?
What did he steal?
(reread the report… never mind - cigars)

316 becominginvisible  Aug 15, 2014 7:34:51am

“But you don’t get killed for stealing a box of cigarettes, ya know?” straight from the fox2news crew member. “Raises more questions than answers.”

317 Timothy Watson  Aug 15, 2014 7:37:04am

re: #315 Kilroy01

So Brown paid for the cigars.. and left with the cigars.
So how is this a robbery?
What did he steal?

Per the report, as least the way I read it, he didn’t pay for them.

318 Lidane  Aug 15, 2014 7:38:03am

This whole thing stinks. I can’t just wrap my head around the cop going from “Hey, that guy looks like the suspect” to emptying his gun into Mike Brown in the matter of a few minutes. Makes no sense.

319 becominginvisible  Aug 15, 2014 7:38:20am

re: #308 Lidane

You echo the reporters and neighbors on the scene. Oh, and the TV crew can’t get the DVD to work, ‘I think they burned the disks wrong’ from the crew.

321 lawhawk  Aug 15, 2014 7:40:30am

re: #315 Kilroy01

So Brown paid for the cigars.. and left with the cigars.
So how is this a robbery?
What did he steal?

I read that report as claiming he took several packages of cigars (Swishers) without paying.

But this is a second report, written after the original report and after the death of Brown.

What does the original report state?

It is possible that Brown was involved in this robbery, but the footage is inconclusive as to what happened. It does appear to be Brown. We don’t know what was or wasn’t paid for because part of the events was obstructed from the camera angles provided.

But none of this detracts from the excessive force used by the cop in killing Brown.

322 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 15, 2014 7:40:33am

BLIND SQUIRREL ALERT!

323 Belafon  Aug 15, 2014 7:42:27am

re: #301 Lidane

And why wasn’t the other kid arrested/killed?

324 Lidane  Aug 15, 2014 7:42:30am

re: #322 Pie-onist Overlord

It also doesn’t justify a cop emptying his gun into Mike Brown.

325 makeitstop  Aug 15, 2014 7:42:47am

re: #322 Pie-onist Overlord

BLIND SQUIRREL ALERT!

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I have to admit that I’m stunned by Son Of Erick’s total lack of douchey-ness regarding this story.

That said, I’m sure he’ll make up for it somewhere down the line.

Also, ‘Morning, Lizards. Happy to see a lack of violence in Ferguson last night.

326 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Aug 15, 2014 7:43:55am

I can see that there could be some mitigating factors here, but they do not reach the level of “in the line of duty” or even “shit happens”.

327 lawhawk  Aug 15, 2014 7:44:56am

re: #323 Belafon

Precisely. If the second person with Brown was pegged as involved in the robbery (he was supposedly handed tobacco products by Brown in the course of the incident in the store), he’s implicated in the same robbery. No attempt to detain on robbery charges either.

That’s just one of any number of inconsistencies in how Ferguson PD handled the events that evening.

328 lawhawk  Aug 15, 2014 7:47:30am

Naturally, it’s all about Hoft and his smear campaign about Brown.

329 lawhawk  Aug 15, 2014 7:48:25am
330 Kilroy01  Aug 15, 2014 7:50:41am

re: #321 lawhawk

Anyone know the time of the shooting?
The video shows 11:54 in the store.
Just trying to figure out a timeline.

331 Eventual Carrion  Aug 15, 2014 7:52:16am

re: #324 Lidane

It also doesn’t justify a cop emptying his gun into Mike Brown.

Sharia law?

332 GlutenFreeJesus  Aug 15, 2014 7:52:29am

And. Where are the cigs in question?

333 lawhawk  Aug 15, 2014 7:52:35am

Watch the associated link for the video. It’s a witness to the events, and he debunks the claims by the police report.

The video in question (NSFW language alert):
Youtube Video

334 Lidane  Aug 15, 2014 7:52:59am

Oh hey. Turns out a bunch of ignorant jackholes actually CAN learn:

Open Carry Texas Cancels March In Historically Black Houston Neighborhood

335 b.d.  Aug 15, 2014 7:54:20am

Sell loose cigs in NY get choked, steal Swishers in Ferguson get shot.

I think I’m starting to figure this whole thing out.

336 Dr Lizardo  Aug 15, 2014 7:54:28am

re: #330 Kilroy01

Anyone know the time of the shooting?
The video shows 11:54 in the store.
Just trying to figure out a timeline.

Approximately 2:00 PM - about two hours after the timestamp on the footage.

337 Lidane  Aug 15, 2014 7:54:34am

re: #331 Eventual Carrion

Sharia law?

Nah. Even Saudi Arabia wouldn’t have killed him for stealing. They would’ve just cut off his hand.

338 PhillyPretzel  Aug 15, 2014 7:58:23am

OT As I mentioned earlier I am in Wegman’s on my computer. I have a power strip plugged in to the wall. Someone just came up and plugged their computer into my power strip. Should I ask the person to remove their plug or just ignore it?

339 Stanley Sea  Aug 15, 2014 7:59:55am

re: #338 PhillyPretzel

OT As I mentioned earlier I am in Wegman’s on my computer. I have a power strip plugged in to the wall. Someone just came up and plugged their computer into my power strip. Should I ask the person to remove their plug or just ignore it?

Ignore. They prob don’t realize it’s yours. When you leave they will figure it out.

340 Lidane  Aug 15, 2014 7:59:58am

re: #338 PhillyPretzel

OT As I mentioned earlier I am in Wegman’s on my computer. I have a power strip plugged in to the wall. Someone just came up and plugged their computer into my power strip. Should I ask the person to remove their plug or just ignore it?

They may not realize the power strip is yours. They might think it’s just a courtesy being provided by the store.

341 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 15, 2014 8:00:46am
342 Kilroy01  Aug 15, 2014 8:01:02am

I do hope that store clerk is safely out of the area.

Not that he did anything wrong but he is now front and center in an
awful situation.

343 lawhawk  Aug 15, 2014 8:02:23am
344 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 15, 2014 8:02:36am

re: #336 Dr Lizardo

Approximately 2:00 PM - about two hours after the timestamp on the footage.

No, the shooting happened at 12:01 pm., according to what Chief Jackson said at the presser this morning.

345 Bulworth  Aug 15, 2014 8:03:13am

re:
#335

Bring back the tanks and tear-gas and armor!!!!!111

/

346 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Aug 15, 2014 8:06:18am

re: #338 PhillyPretzel

OT As I mentioned earlier I am in Wegman’s on my computer. I have a power strip plugged in to the wall. Someone just came up and plugged their computer into my power strip. Should I ask the person to remove their plug or just ignore it?

Just turn it off and on at random times. After all, it’s your power strip…

347 Dr Lizardo  Aug 15, 2014 8:09:05am

re: #344 Backwoods_Sleuth

No, the shooting happened at 12:01 pm., according to what Chief Jackson said at the presser this morning.

Then there’s a discrepancy.

A witness to the police killing of 18-year-old Mike Brown over the weekend in Ferguson, Missouri, will meet shortly with the FBI, his lawyer says. Dorian Johnson’s lawyer told MSNBC that he was initially refused an interview by police even though he was walking with Brown when the fatal shooting occurred. Johnson was walking with Brown on Saturday afternoon when the fatal shooting occurred in the mostly black St. Louis suburb of Ferguson. In an interview with St. Louis’ KSDK, Johnson said police shot his friend “like an animal” as he held his hands in the air. He also told the station that Brown never attempted to take the officer’s weapon.

“It was around 1:40, two o’clock. We were walking down the street, empty street. We were just walking down, minding our business. We’re both headed home, and the officer’s approaching us, and as he pulled up on the side of us, he didn’t say ‘freeze,’ ‘halt,’ or nothing like we were committing a crime. He said, ‘Get the f—- on the sidewalk!’ I told the officer we were not but a minute away from the destination,” Johnson said.

ibtimes.com

348 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Aug 15, 2014 8:11:52am

re: #347 Dr Lizardo

Who ya gonna trust, an officer of the law or a gangsta thug?

/

349 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 15, 2014 8:12:01am

re: #347 Dr Lizardo

Then there’s a discrepancy.

ibtimes.com

From Washington Post article of this morning’s presser:

Jackson provided few other details about Wilson at the news conference and did not take any questions. He said that Wilson had been responding to a call shortly before noon on Saturday when there was a 911 call regarding a “strong-arm robbery” at a convenience store.
A description of a possible suspect was given over the radio, saying this person was walking toward the QuickTrip convenience store in Ferguson. An incident report handed out by police on Friday labeled Brown as a suspect in the convenience store robbery, which involved the theft of some Swisher Sweets cigars.
Wilson left the call he had been responding to and encountered Brown on Canfield Drive at 12:01 p.m., Jackson said.

So, yes, there is a discrepancy.

350 Danny  Aug 15, 2014 8:14:18am

re: #348 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Who ya gonna trust, an officer of the law or a gangsta thug?

/

Dispatcher calls.

351 HappyWarrior  Aug 15, 2014 8:15:19am

re: #343 lawhawk

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Hoft is such a terrible person. Not surprised at all to see he used a white supremacist website yesterday to trash Brown.

352 Snarknado!  Aug 15, 2014 8:16:49am

Why did it take almost a week for anyone to mention this? Wouldn’t you expect Wilson to have said something at his first debriefing?

(Trying to type on my phone keyboard — please excuse late or missing responses.)

353 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 15, 2014 8:18:40am

re: #279 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

So apparently the officer may be, himself, black.

stltoday.com

If true, get ready for a gigantic torrent of ugliness and entirely-missing-the-point-ness from the right wing.

Another discrepancy. That Darren Wilson works for St. Louis PD (city PD, not county).

354 Kilroy01  Aug 15, 2014 8:19:18am

re: #344 Backwoods_Sleuth

So my question about the timeline comes up again.
He is seen on the store cam at 11:54.
The police are called.
They arrive and take the statement?
Or review the camera footage and not take the statement until later?
Then get in his car and encounter Brown on the street.
All this in seven minutes.

Am I missing something?

355 urbanmeemaw  Aug 15, 2014 8:20:03am

re: #75 teleskiguy

LGF has been on top of this saga since day one. Kudos to Charles for getting some link love from The New Yorker.

Amen. Thank you, Charles, and to all of you here who have helped me keep my sanity and helping me feel part of a community that cares.

356 lawhawk  Aug 15, 2014 8:20:16am

There are lots of discrepancies in the time line and facts proffered by the Ferguson PD. Where are the packages of Swishers that were allegedly stolen. If they weren’t on Brown, were they in Johnson’s possession (the friend who witnessed events).

And if two people indeed stole the Swishers from the store, why wasn’t Johnson put into custody on suspicion of robbery.

Why did the cop not initiate the stop on suspicion of robbery and instead questioned the duo over walking in the street.

Why would Brown reach into the vehicle to grab a gun?

Why did the officer fire after Brown was already down and bleeding out?

And why did the Ferguson PD not signal that there was a convenience store robbery and that Brown was a suspect before today? That would have bolstered their claim that this was a justifiable stop (not the excessive force, but we’ve got multiple issues on proper law enforcement here).

Instead, we’ve got a questionable timeline, a police report that appears to have been a second version of events at the convenience store, and still omits key details from the day of the shooting.

Oh, and why should we trust the police reports coming out of Ferguson when they’ve previously been implicated in trumping up nonsensical charges and/or engaging in perjury over arrests in the past.

The day Ferguson PD was caught in a bloody lie.

357 Dr. Matt  Aug 15, 2014 8:20:58am

So conservatives now support LEOs acting like judge, jury, and executioner…..talk about a 180 from the Bundy fiasco.

358 Rightwingconspirator  Aug 15, 2014 8:21:11am

In other news… Ruh Roh

Breaking news

Ukraine Says It Destroyed Part of Armed Vehicles From Russia

359 Internet Tough Guy  Aug 15, 2014 8:21:30am

re: #354 Kilroy01

You’re missing the part where they took two days to cook something up.

360 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 15, 2014 8:21:36am

re: #354 Kilroy01

So my question about the timeline comes up again.
He is seen on the store cam at 11:54.
The police are called.
They arrive and take the statement?
Or review the camera footage and not take the statement until later?
Then get in his car and encounter Brown on the street.
All this in seven minutes.

Am I missing something?

From reporter at the presser this morning:

The report that was provided this morning was one done after the fact.

361 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Aug 15, 2014 8:22:42am

Sorry but this whole robbery thing is fishier than the San Pedro fish market.

362 Feline Fearless Leader  Aug 15, 2014 8:22:53am

re: #335 b.d.

Sell loose cigs in NY get choked, steal Swishers in Ferguson get shot.

I think I’m starting to figure this whole thing out.

Tobacco kills.
//

363 HappyWarrior  Aug 15, 2014 8:22:53am

re: #356 lawhawk

There are lots of discrepancies in the time line and facts proffered by the Ferguson PD. Where are the packages of Swishers that were allegedly stolen. If they weren’t on Brown, were they in Johnson’s possession (the friend who witnessed events).

And if two people indeed stole the Swishers from the store, why wasn’t Johnson put into custody on suspicion of robbery.

Why did the cop not initiate the stop on suspicion of robbery and instead questioned the duo over walking in the street.

Why would Brown reach into the vehicle to grab a gun?

Why did the officer fire after Brown was already down and bleeding out?

And why did the Ferguson PD not signal that there was a convenience store robbery and that Brown was a suspect before today? That would have bolstered their claim that this was a justifiable stop (not the excessive force, but we’ve got multiple issues on proper law enforcement here).

Instead, we’ve got a questionable timeline, a police report that appears to have been a second version of events at the convenience store, and still omits key details from the day of the shooting.

Oh, and why should we trust the police reports coming out of Ferguson when they’ve previously been implicated in trumping up nonsensical charges and/or engaging in perjury over arrests in the past.

The day Ferguson PD was caught in a bloody lie.

There’s something deeply wrong with the Ferguson PD.

364 HappyWarrior  Aug 15, 2014 8:23:46am

re: #357 Dr. Matt

So conservatives now support LEOs acting like judge, jury, and executioner…..talk about a 180 from the Bundy fiasco.

Because it was a black kid. If Mike Brown were a white kid, they’d be saying that Mo Brooks was right about the war on whitey.

365 HappyWarrior  Aug 15, 2014 8:24:33am

You know what even if the robbery story is true. It does not justify shooting him repeatedly. I for one though don’t buy it at all. Ferguson PD isn’t credible at all.

366 Stephen T.  Aug 15, 2014 8:25:24am

re: #20 psddluva4evah

Hopefully it does. But first, can we make sure that St Louis County Prosecutor is NOWHERE near this case?

Cause it this don’t sound like bias, I don’t know what does.

Nasheed Calls for McCulloch to Step Down in Michael Brown Investigation « CBS St. Louis cbsloc.al

There is a fear among prosecutors that bringing charges against a cop will lead to no other cop willing to aid them in the investigation, prosecution or trial of any of their other cases. Is it true? I don’t know, but you rarely see cops prosecuted and you rarely see a prosecutor that has done so remain in the job.

367 Dave In Austin  Aug 15, 2014 8:25:50am

Absence of complete facts aside, when does petty shoplifting become robbery??

368 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 15, 2014 8:26:40am

yep.

369 HappyWarrior  Aug 15, 2014 8:26:49am

re: #367 Dave In Austin

Absence of complete facts aside, when does petty shoplifting become robbery??

I’m curious about this characterization too.

370 HappyWarrior  Aug 15, 2014 8:27:41am

re: #368 Backwoods_Sleuth

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yep.

Yeah that statement is fucking rich given that Wilson is the one who shot the unarmed kid but let’s feel bad for him just like we should have felt worse for George Zimmerman than Treyvon Martin. Unbelievable these people.

371 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 15, 2014 8:28:06am

re: #367 Dave In Austin

Absence of complete facts aside, when does petty shoplifting become robbery??

From the still pictures, it appears that the guy was armed with a water bottle…

///////////

372 Danny  Aug 15, 2014 8:28:23am

re: #369 HappyWarrior

I’m curious about this characterization too.

No force = shoplifting
Force/threat of force = robbery

373 Schadenboner  Aug 15, 2014 8:28:39am

This isn’t about truth, this is Ferguson PD poisoning the well by producing “facts” to get them into the right wing echo chamber. When (technically “if” but let’s be honest: if the FPD’s story was truthful it would have already emerged) the “facts” are debunked they will already be in the echo chamber and beyond correction where they will live forever, shutting down this issue.

EDIT: I suspect this is being done, ultimately, because there has been some small reaction in the portion of the right-glibertarian movement not wholly given over to propertarianism. This “lets” the right-glibs forget about it.

374 HappyWarrior  Aug 15, 2014 8:28:57am

re: #372 Danny

No force = shoplifting
Force/threat of force = robbery

Ah right, makes sense.

375 PhillyPretzel  Aug 15, 2014 8:28:59am

re: #371 Backwoods_Sleuth

Quick. Get rid of all water bottles; they can be dangerous. //

376 lawhawk  Aug 15, 2014 8:29:27am

And even on those facts, there’s plenty to dispute and question - because much of the events is obscured from view of the camera.

But the salient fact is that there’s more information about the supposed petit larceny of Swishers than there is about the officer-involved shooting of Brown.

377 HappyWarrior  Aug 15, 2014 8:30:19am

Whole thing just reeks of Ferguson PD looking to rationalize the officer’s actions and to make Brown out to be someone who deserved what he got and sadly we will see even if it’s proven that Brown did not do this, he’ll still be made out to be made a bad kid.

378 lawhawk  Aug 15, 2014 8:30:37am

Broken clock? *checks watch* Amazing:

379 HappyWarrior  Aug 15, 2014 8:30:59am

What do we know about the officer by the way? I was out all of yesterday since my uncle was in town.

380 Internet Tough Guy  Aug 15, 2014 8:31:11am

re: #378 lawhawk

Obviously, his account’s been hacked.

381 Eventual Carrion  Aug 15, 2014 8:31:31am

re: #378 lawhawk

Broken clock? *checks watch* Amazing:

[Embedded content]

Maybe they upped his meds.

382 HappyWarrior  Aug 15, 2014 8:31:49am

re: #378 lawhawk

Broken clock? *checks watch* Amazing:

[Embedded content]

He has his moments sometimes. Hoft OTOH.

383 HappyWarrior  Aug 15, 2014 8:32:28am

Honestly, any time the police shoot someone unarmed there’s something very wrong going on.

384 Dr. Matt  Aug 15, 2014 8:32:33am

Erickson called Souter a “goat fucking child molester” and he dares call other people “bad”. Amusing.

385 becominginvisible  Aug 15, 2014 8:33:26am

re: #358 Rightwingconspirator

Putin denies Russian involvement, again.

386 Schadenboner  Aug 15, 2014 8:33:34am

re: #372 Danny

No force = shoplifting
Force/threat of force = robbery

And do remember “being black” is sufficient for “threat of force” in the state of Misery.

387 Dave In Austin  Aug 15, 2014 8:34:12am

re: #372 Danny

Ok, I’ll buy that. Thx

388 HappyWarrior  Aug 15, 2014 8:34:29am

re: #384 Dr. Matt

Erickson called Souter a “goat fucking child molester” and he dares call other people “bad”. Amusing.

Yeah, he really shouldn’t be lecturing people. What did Souter do specifically to deserve that anyhow? Erick’s still a childish little prick.

389 Bulworth  Aug 15, 2014 8:35:10am

re:
#376

“Hey, we gave you guy’s name then we passed out some paper with some pictures of something completely different. What more do you people want from us?”

///

390 Stephen T.  Aug 15, 2014 8:36:06am
391 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 15, 2014 8:36:29am
392 Bulworth  Aug 15, 2014 8:36:33am

re:
#378

It’s like nothing makes sense anymore…..

393 Lidane  Aug 15, 2014 8:36:53am

re: #357 Dr. Matt

So conservatives now support LEOs acting like judge, jury, and executioner…..talk about a 180 from the Bundy fiasco.

Not a 180. Bundy Ranch involved white people, so in that case LEOs must act with calm and deference.

With blah and brown people? Fuck that noise. LEOs need to make Judge Dredd look like a pinko commie.

394 PhillyPretzel  Aug 15, 2014 8:37:34am

re: #390 Stephen T.

Maybe while the camera was not rolling he might have done that but I doubt it.

395 Timothy Watson  Aug 15, 2014 8:39:02am

re: #356 lawhawk

There are lots of discrepancies in the time line and facts proffered by the Ferguson PD. Where are the packages of Swishers that were allegedly stolen. If they weren’t on Brown, were they in Johnson’s possession (the friend who witnessed events).

And if two people indeed stole the Swishers from the store, why wasn’t Johnson put into custody on suspicion of robbery.

Why did the cop not initiate the stop on suspicion of robbery and instead questioned the duo over walking in the street.

Why would Brown reach into the vehicle to grab a gun?

Why did the officer fire after Brown was already down and bleeding out?

And why did the Ferguson PD not signal that there was a convenience store robbery and that Brown was a suspect before today? That would have bolstered their claim that this was a justifiable stop (not the excessive force, but we’ve got multiple issues on proper law enforcement here).

Instead, we’ve got a questionable timeline, a police report that appears to have been a second version of events at the convenience store, and still omits key details from the day of the shooting.

Oh, and why should we trust the police reports coming out of Ferguson when they’ve previously been implicated in trumping up nonsensical charges and/or engaging in perjury over arrests in the past.

The day Ferguson PD was caught in a bloody lie.

Is Johnson the same guy who has been on the news stations saying he repeatedly contacted the St. Louis Police Department volunteering to be interviewed about the shooting?

396 lawhawk  Aug 15, 2014 8:39:44am

As things settle down in Ferguson, it looks like things just took a drastic turn for the worse in Ukraine:

This has the potential to get real bad real quick.

397 Dave In Austin  Aug 15, 2014 8:39:49am

re: #372 Danny

Ok, I’ll buy that. Thx

Something tells me that LE in Furgeson has experience in cooking these books and has prolly been doing it for years as undisclosed policy.

398 lawhawk  Aug 15, 2014 8:40:32am

re: #395 Timothy Watson

That would be the same one, a Dorian Johnson.

399 urbanmeemaw  Aug 15, 2014 8:40:38am

re: #263 lawhawk

You can also look at renting books, instead of buying them. The whole textbook industry is a mess, where they’ll frequently issue new editions even though the information is the substantially the same as prior editions. It’s one thing to have new editions of organic chem or biology to address new information, but this happens across all disciplines.

Yup. I sold college textbooks in another life and calling the industry a “mess” is being kind, Lawhawk. I call it a racket. The reason new editions are issued is so that students will be forced to buy the new editions (in the past publishers included a “bundle” of online access card or study guide to force the purchase of the new book). I could see the industry was in trouble in 2002.

400 Ian G.  Aug 15, 2014 8:40:48am

So how long did the brain trust in the Ferguson PD take to come up with the “he robbed cigars” story as a cover? Also, do officers chasing down shoplifting perps usually tell them to “get on the fucking sidewalk”? Jesus, they’re desperately grasping at straws, aren’t they? They know they’re utterly fucked when the facts come to light.

And, full disclosure, among other less-than-righteous activities I partook in as a teen, I did shoplift cigars from a CVS once to use them to roll marijuana. But I’d never be shot by the cops after the fact, nor with the RWNJ borg try to slime me afterward. Because I’m white.

401 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Aug 15, 2014 8:42:12am

re: #396 lawhawk

As things settle down in Ferguson, it looks like things just took a drastic turn for the worse in Ukraine:

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This has the potential to get real bad real quick.

Damn. Putin is really up shit creek now. He has to respond or he’s going to lose a lot of political support.

402 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 15, 2014 8:42:25am
403 Danny  Aug 15, 2014 8:42:58am

re: #394 PhillyPretzel

Maybe while the camera was not rolling he might have done that but I doubt it.

Actually…

Link

Supposedly playing some game or something.

404 GlutenFreeJesus  Aug 15, 2014 8:43:08am

re: #385 becominginvisible

Putin denies Russian involvement, again.

Good. So bomb those damn military convoys. See how he reacts if there’s really no Russian “involvement”.

Only 1/2 //////

Back to the events in Furgeson. Do we know the location of Brown’s murder in relation to the store he allegedly stole smokes from? If the police timeline is to believed, was Brown walking or in a full-scale sprint?

405 William Barnett-Lewis  Aug 15, 2014 8:43:27am

re: #378 lawhawk

Broken clock? *checks watch* Amazing:

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No, I do think some of the far right is actually being internally consistent for a change and that the idea of big/militarized police scares them worse than the “blah” (notice his weasel words about Brown). Not all of them, but it’s a significant chunk of them which gives hope for getting real change shoved through the House despite the utter incompetence of the current Speaker.

406 GlutenFreeJesus  Aug 15, 2014 8:44:24am

re: #396 lawhawk

As things settle down in Ferguson, it looks like things just took a drastic turn for the worse in Ukraine:

[Embedded content]

This has the potential to get real bad real quick.

Putty saying Russia isn’t involved, sooooo…

407 becominginvisible  Aug 15, 2014 8:47:49am

re: #406 GlutenFreeJesus

Putin is just acting as he feels the Russian border includes all of Ukraine as that is his end game for the country. The best parts of the USSR moved away and must be brought back at all costs.

408 DuckDharma  Aug 15, 2014 8:48:57am

From Wesley Lowery’s latest at the Post

“The police report goes on to state that surveillance video from the store shows Brown and Dorian Johnson, an eyewitness to Brown’s death, entering the store before Brown hands the pack of Swisher Sweets to Johnson.

“An apparent struggle of confrontation seems to take place with Brown, however it is obscured by a display case on the counter,” the report stateD. “Meanwhile, Johnson sets the box he was handed back on the counter.”

409 urbanmeemaw  Aug 15, 2014 8:49:09am

re: #267 lawhawk

To me this is also an interesting comment on what the media consider “newsworthy”. Why didn’t we hear more about this incident when it happened? Why wasn’t this reported as part of background or context when Mike Brown was shot? Why does the white press in America not report these stories only after matters escalate?

410 HappyWarrior  Aug 15, 2014 8:49:11am

re: #405 William Barnett-Lewis

No, I do think some of the far right is actually being internally consistent for a change and that the idea of big/militarized police scares them worse than the “blah” (notice his weasel words about Brown). Not all of them, but it’s a significant chunk of them which gives hope for getting real change shoved through the House despite the utter incompetence of the current Speaker.

I was glad to see that Rand Paul published an op-ed on demilitarizing the police. So there is some small hope.

411 Stephen T.  Aug 15, 2014 8:51:01am

re: #394 PhillyPretzel

Actually it was during a segment where he was singing with kids.

Video

It aired. However the video and song show clearly that “Tall Man” isn’t the same as swearing.

412 Bulworth  Aug 15, 2014 8:51:32am

These Ferguson PD dudes, man, I just can’t…..

413 GlutenFreeJesus  Aug 15, 2014 8:52:15am

re: #402 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Ok, so it took the cop 2 minutes to get dispatched to the scene once the call came in. One minute to arrive at 1154 and left exactly 7 hours later? Am I reading that right?

414 Lidane  Aug 15, 2014 8:52:22am

Blind squirrel, broken clock, etc. —

Erick Erickson: We Shouldn’t Need A ‘Dead White Kid’ To De-Militarize Police

The odds of a young white man being shot by the police in similar circumstances to Michael Brown are not as high as those of a young black man. But we should not need to have a young white man shot and killed for the rest of the nation to pay attention to the issue.

415 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 15, 2014 8:53:20am

re: #402 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Page 17: shots on Canfield 14:12 (2:12 pm)
Chief Jackson messed it up badly at the presser.

416 GlutenFreeJesus  Aug 15, 2014 8:53:40am

re: #407 becominginvisible

Putin is just acting as he feels the Russian border includes all of Ukraine as that is his end game for the country. The best parts of the USSR moved away and must be brought back at all costs.

Well that just ain’t gonna happen. Sucks to be him.

417 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Aug 15, 2014 8:53:55am

re: #396 lawhawk

As things settle down in Ferguson, it looks like things just took a drastic turn for the worse in Ukraine:

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This has the potential to get real bad real quick.

I was making bad jokes about how this humanitarian aid convoy brought up associations of the ship bearing humanitarian aid that Lincoln sent to Fort Sumter in 1861…

418 Rightwingconspirator  Aug 15, 2014 8:54:57am
Gold Moves Up from Daily Lows on Reports of Russia-Ukraine Military Confrontation
Friday August 15, 2014 10:57 AM

(Kitco News) - Gold prices have moved well up from solid losses seen in earlier trading, but are still trading below unchanged, as news reports have surfaced that a Russian convoy headed for Ukraine has been engaged by the Ukrainian military. Reports are sketchy but some said the Ukrainian military “eliminated” some of the Russian convoy. If this situation turns out to be serious, and it’s too early to tell as of this writing, then gold prices will continue to move higher. December gold was last down $8 at $1,307.00.

419 HappyWarrior  Aug 15, 2014 8:55:07am

re: #414 Lidane

Blind squirrel, broken clock, etc. —

Erick Erickson: We Shouldn’t Need A ‘Dead White Kid’ To De-Militarize Police

Wow, I’m genuinely impressed that Erickson actually admitted what we all know to be true that the chances of a white kid being shot by the police in the same situation as Brown’s aren’t nearly as high for a black kid. I’m relieved that Limbaugh hasn’t entered his contribution to the conversation yesterday given his nasty comments about Robin Williams.

420 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 15, 2014 8:55:17am

re: #413 GlutenFreeJesus

Ok, so it took the cop 2 minutes to get dispatched to the scene once the call came in. One minute to arrive at 1154 and left exactly 7 hours later? Am I reading that right?

The timeline in the report is just crazy. Makes no sense at all.

421 PhillyPretzel  Aug 15, 2014 8:55:55am

re: #418 Rightwingconspirator

and as per CNN the Iraqi PM is stepping down.

422 Dr Lizardo  Aug 15, 2014 8:55:59am

re: #406 GlutenFreeJesus

Putty saying Russia isn’t involved, sooooo…

I would think that attempted Invasion force was likely told something along the lines of that “Mission Impossible” spiel.

As always, should you or any of your IM force be caught or killed, the Secretary will disavow any knowledge of your actions. Good luck, Jim. This tape will self-destruct in five seconds.

Plausible deniability and all that good stuff.

423 Bulworth  Aug 15, 2014 8:56:05am

“Yeah so welcome to our press conference thing here, we’re going to give you some information then not take any questions because that’s how we roll. OK, so here’s the police-officer’s name who shot the kid, and here’s a report on what the thug was doing before our cop attempted to apprehend him. I’m just gonna leave this thing here, see you people later.”

424 Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 15, 2014 8:57:18am

re: #423 Bulworth

The Ferguson Information Minister?

425 Decatur Deb  Aug 15, 2014 8:57:34am

re: #415 Backwoods_Sleuth

Page 17: shots on Canfield 14:12 (2:12 pm)
Chief Jackson messed it up badly at the presser.

Might have been better to hold the presser in a controlled indoor venue, instead of using a burned-out store for a backdrop. Or not.

426 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 15, 2014 8:58:00am

Event Report on Pages 18-19.

427 Bulworth  Aug 15, 2014 8:59:01am

re:
#424

“Think this shirt looks OK for Hannity tonight?”

428 Danny  Aug 15, 2014 8:59:15am

re: #415 Backwoods_Sleuth

Page 17: shots on Canfield 14:12 (2:12 pm)
Chief Jackson messed it up badly at the presser.

That is the time the notes were added to the incident report, not the time of the event. Look at the next page for event times.

Also: “EMS contacted 12:16:23”

429 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 15, 2014 8:59:48am

re: #425 Decatur Deb

Might have been better to hold the presser in a controlled indoor venue, instead of using a burned-out store for a backdrop. Or not.

Chief Jackson couldn’t even remember Michael Brown’s name. He had to shuffle through his papers to find it.

430 Dr Lizardo  Aug 15, 2014 8:59:54am

re: #425 Decatur Deb

Page 17: shots on Canfield 14:12 (2:12 pm)
Chief Jackson messed it up badly at the presser.

Might have been better to hold the presser in a controlled indoor venue, instead of using a burned-out store for a backdrop. Or not.

That ties in with what the witness who was with Michael Brown when he was shot said - that the shooting took place around 1:40 to 2:00 PM.

Yep………Chief Jackson done F’d up big time.

431 Decatur Deb  Aug 15, 2014 9:00:52am

re: #429 Backwoods_Sleuth

Chief Jackson couldn’t even remember Michael Brown’s name. He had to shuffle through his papers to find it.

How is step-son?

432 Lidane  Aug 15, 2014 9:01:07am

GOTV efforts, yer doin’ it wrong —

Texas ‘sovereign citizen’ describes ambush on cops: ‘This is a get-out-the-vote campaign’

A 60-year-old Texas man accused of setting up an ambush against police and firefighters said he set up the attack as both a protest against police shootings and a way to encourage people to vote.

“This is a get out the vote campaign,” Douglas Leguin told KXAS-TV on Thursday. “You have to do something big to get attention in this country.”

433 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 15, 2014 9:01:21am

re: #428 Danny

That is the time the notes were added to the incident report, not the time of the event. Look at the next page for event times.

Also: “EMS contacted 12:16:23”

It still says shots (4 or 5 shots) at 14:12. So there were more shots fired 2 hours later?
Like I said, it makes no sense.

434 Dr Lizardo  Aug 15, 2014 9:02:13am

re: #433 Backwoods_Sleuth

It still says shots (4 or 5 shots) at 14:12. So there were more shots fired 2 hours later?
Like I said, it makes no sense.

It’s big-time CYA, that’s what. If not, it’s breathtaking incompetence.

435 Bulworth  Aug 15, 2014 9:02:17am

It occurs to me that dumping the alleged robbery report with pics is, among other things, a bit of attempted payback after having perceived themselves embarassed by Nixon replacing them with the Highway Patrol.

Just a thought. But they’ve already demonstrated themselves to be dicks anyway, not like they need a provocation.

436 GlutenFreeJesus  Aug 15, 2014 9:02:34am

From that police report, the Exceptionally Cleared bit should be of great interest.

Snagged this from answers.com… and other links seem to all say something similar:

James Dawe

Police and Law Enforcement Supervisor

A police report that is “exceptionally cleared” means that the reported offense was ‘solved’ by means which did not include an arrest and prosecution of the perpetrator. In other words, the crime was solved - we know who did it - but no arrest was able to have been made. A perfect example of this would be the solution of one (or more) crimes by means of a “deathbed confession.” Another, probably more common example, is the clearance of a string of offenses committed by an individual, by an admission of their culpability, in exchange for a plea bargain offered by the prosecution.

437 becominginvisible  Aug 15, 2014 9:02:35am

re: #400 Ian G.

St.Louis Fox2now reporter said the DVD was still warm and there was a shortage of press packets despite knowing how many were in the press. I assume they started looking at footage late Saturday and this morning found something they could reuse as Brown and a friend causing problems. They would have had more packets ready and wouldn’t have contradicted themselves if it were simply a robbery. When Fox2now was live/raw feed earlier the reporters and crew were trying to read the copies of the reports and commenting on how much of it was redacted. They were also talking about reports of 3 people involved in the altercation/robbery at the redacted store and why haven’t they looked for the other two involved. And was a package of swishers or a box of packages were taken as it wasn’t clear or contradicted in the report. A state trooper actually came up and asked if he could see what was in the press packet and did a brief interview. Blue uniform I assume is MO State Trouper.

438 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Aug 15, 2014 9:03:12am

re: #432 Lidane

GOTV efforts, yer doin’ it wrong —

Texas ‘sovereign citizen’ describes ambush on cops: ‘This is a get-out-the-vote campaign’

You know, when the GOP mainstream refused to silence or at least distance itself from the nutjobs, they instituted an attention-grabbing race to the bottom.

It has reached new lows, we can only be glad that nobody was hurt in this mishap.

439 becominginvisible  Aug 15, 2014 9:03:41am

re: #435 Bulworth

It occurred to the press this morning, not just you.

440 dholmes32  Aug 15, 2014 9:05:24am

re: #399 urbanmeemaw

Yup. I sold college textbooks in another life and calling the industry a “mess” is being kind, Lawhawk. I call it a racket. The reason new editions are issued is so that students will be forced to buy the new editions (in the past publishers included a “bundle” of online access card or study guide to force the purchase of the new book). I could see the industry was in trouble in 2002.

I also sold college textbooks in a previous lifetime and I’m so glad I got out. I should note that the issue with these non-reusable textbooks goes back into the 1980s. Publishers keep coming up with new and different ways to make the books one use only. Back in the day, it was the “special supplement only for Spring 198X semester at the University of Texas” that was shrink-wrapped with the books.

You’ve not lived until you’ve dodge someone throwing a huge Biology textbook at you after you told them it was worth nothing at buyback time. I don’t miss those days.

441 Franklin  Aug 15, 2014 9:06:57am

re: #436 GlutenFreeJesus

From that police report, the Exceptionally Cleared bit should be of great interest.

Snagged this from answers.com… and other links seem to all say something similar:

I saw a tweet this morning that Dorian Johnson’s lawyer confirmed that his client had admitted to FBI that they had taken the cigars prior to Mike’s death. I’ll try to find it again.

EDIT: Would that “exceptionally clear” the event?

442 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 15, 2014 9:07:28am

Robin Williams is dead & this evil witch is still alive, WHY G-D

443 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 15, 2014 9:08:27am

re: #431 Decatur Deb

How is step-son?

On a ventilator and still in a drug-induced coma. CAT scan shows there is still some small bleeding in the brain.

444 Bulworth  Aug 15, 2014 9:09:06am

re:
#436

Although “Brown’s” “accomplices” would presumably still be alive for questioning, charging, etc.

445 PhillyPretzel  Aug 15, 2014 9:09:35am

re: #443 Backwoods_Sleuth

I hope that everything works out for you step son.

446 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 15, 2014 9:10:22am

Captain Johnson presser now.

447 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Aug 15, 2014 9:10:40am

If Mike Brown was the suspect in the “robbery” and Johnson was with him when it occurred why wasn’t Johnson arrested as an accomplice on the spot?

448 Decatur Deb  Aug 15, 2014 9:10:41am

re: #443 Backwoods_Sleuth

On a ventilator and still in a drug-induced coma. CAT scan shows there is still some small bleeding in the brain.

At UofL/Jewish? My FIL was in their Neuro ICU. Very good people.

449 GlutenFreeJesus  Aug 15, 2014 9:10:58am

re: #441 Franklin Brewsevelt

I saw a tweet this morning that Dorian Johnson’s lawyer confirmed that his client had admitted to FBI that they had taken the cigars prior to Mike’s death. I’ll try to find it again.

EDIT: Would that “exceptionally clear” the event?

I believe so.

450 Franklin  Aug 15, 2014 9:11:37am

re: #449 GlutenFreeJesus

Here is a similar tweet:

451 urbanmeemaw  Aug 15, 2014 9:11:42am

re: #440 dholmes32

Ha! I still affectionately (//) refer to that position as the worst job I ever had.

452 Bulworth  Aug 15, 2014 9:12:09am

re:
#443

Hoping and praying your step-son fully recovers soon.

453 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 15, 2014 9:12:38am

re: #448 Decatur Deb

At UofL/Jewish? My FIL was in their Neuro ICU. Very good people.

He’s at Saint Joseph Medical Center in Joliet, Illinois.

454 GlutenFreeJesus  Aug 15, 2014 9:12:45am

re: #443 Backwoods_Sleuth

On a ventilator and still in a drug-induced coma. CAT scan shows there is still some small bleeding in the brain.

Sending all the good thoughts I can muster, your way.

455 GlutenFreeJesus  Aug 15, 2014 9:13:45am

re: #450 Franklin Brewsevelt

Here is a similar tweet:

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Waiting for certain people to latch onto that to justify what happened to him… and to the residents of Ferguson, MO.

456 becominginvisible  Aug 15, 2014 9:14:20am

Chief Tom Jackson did not give MO State Patrol a copy of his press packet handout.

457 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 15, 2014 9:14:55am
458 Bulworth  Aug 15, 2014 9:15:15am

re:
#456

Sounds like the behavior of transparent, accountable police department. //

459 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Aug 15, 2014 9:15:20am

re: #253 PhillyPretzel

Buy text books on amazon. Save money. Tell Koch and company to take a high dive into a thimble.

Koch says it all. If we cared more about educating people than running a racket, we would just have students buy a Kindle and download their textbooks as needed.

We can’t have a decent workforce without education, and that means making it accessible to everyone who qualifies, and not just to those with the money or parents to co-sign for a mountain of debt.

460 William Barnett-Lewis  Aug 15, 2014 9:16:19am

re: #440 dholmes32

I also sold college textbooks in a previous lifetime and I’m so glad I got out. I should note that the issue with these non-reusable textbooks goes back into the 1980s. Publishers keep coming up with new and different ways to make the books one use only. Back in the day, it was the “special supplement only for Spring 198X semester at the University of Texas” that was shrink-wrapped with the books.

You’ve not lived until you’ve dodge someone throwing a huge Biology textbook at you after you told them it was worth nothing at buyback time. I don’t miss those days.

I like buying used textbooks on Amazon. I am not in school so I have no Prof who needs me buying his latest & greatest. But I do like learning and >90% of my education has been self education and a good textbook helps.

That said when I can get a copy of the _current_ edition of the best text on Human Evolution from Amazon for $7 when it sells in college bookstores for $150 to some poor SOB paleo student, things are beyond broken.

461 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 15, 2014 9:16:28am

Ron Johnson clarifying that he has been tasked with security and is not involved in the investigation.

462 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 15, 2014 9:18:00am
463 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 15, 2014 9:19:36am

“What I don’t want is for us to go burn down our own house” —Captain Johnson.

464 Lidane  Aug 15, 2014 9:19:50am

For your amusement, here is today’s adventure in Wasting Money on Confirmation Bias:

Dallas researchers out to scientifically prove biblical version of creation

Young-earth creationists like those at ICR argue that everything in the known universe began 6,000 to 10,000 years ago, a numeric range they calculate using the genealogy of the Bible — Adam lived 930 years and begat a son named Seth, who lived 105 years and begat Enos, and so on.

“Our attempt is to demonstrate that the Bible is accurate, not just religiously authoritative,” said Henry Morris III, CEO of the nonprofit with a 49-person payroll and an annual budget in the $7 million range.

“The rationale behind it is this: If God really does exist, he shouldn’t be lying to us,” he said. “And if he’s lying to us right off the bat in the book of Genesis, we’ve got some real problems.”

465 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 15, 2014 9:19:53am

Two of my sons, when they were teens, got detained for shoplifting at CVS. They had to write an essay about “Stealing Is Bad Mmkay”

466 Lidane  Aug 15, 2014 9:21:32am

re: #462 Pie-onist Overlord

Seriously. Even if Brown did take a pack of smokes, that doesn’t rise to the level of a capital crime.

Doesn’t matter what he did. That cop still executed him in the street.

467 Ace-o-aces  Aug 15, 2014 9:22:13am

re: #455 GlutenFreeJesus

Waiting for certain people to latch onto that to justify what happened to him…

$50? Seriously, that hardly rises to the level of misdemeanor. That’s the kind of thing that usually results in the Judge giving you a stern talking to.

468 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Aug 15, 2014 9:23:02am

re: #464 Lidane

For your amusement, here is today’s adventure in Wasting Money on Confirmation Bias:

Dallas researchers out to scientifically prove biblical version of creation

“The rationale behind it is this: If God really does exist, he shouldn’t be lying to us,” he said. “And if he’s lying to us right off the bat in the book of Genesis, we’ve got some real problems.”

bat-shit crazy

there is no reasoning with these people, we can only try to limit the amount of damage they can do.

469 lawhawk  Aug 15, 2014 9:23:11am

Oh, this is priceless:

470 lawhawk  Aug 15, 2014 9:23:50am

I’m thinking I’ve got to page my thoughts on all this, or else it’ll bog down the thread.

471 Ace-o-aces  Aug 15, 2014 9:23:50am

re: #469 lawhawk

Did they even find the box on him?

472 Bulworth  Aug 15, 2014 9:26:02am

Ferguson PD wanted to make sure everyone would be talking about the robbery and not the cop who shot and killed Brown.

473 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Aug 15, 2014 9:26:48am

re: #469 lawhawk

Oh, this is priceless:

It’s worth noting that on Tuesday Chief Jackson told me Brown was not being stopped in relation to any criminal activity.

Not even jaywalking?

474 Targetpractice  Aug 15, 2014 9:27:17am

re: #472 Bulworth

Ferguson PD wanted to make sure everyone would be talking about the robbery and not the cop who shot and killed Brown.

I’ve not had a chance to read the report yet. Is there any indication of violence involved in this petty theft? Because that seems to be the only excuse I can think of to throw this out there, that Brown had proven violent enough to attack a cop.

475 blueraven  Aug 15, 2014 9:28:24am

re: #469 lawhawk

Oh, this is priceless:

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I am thinking that the officer didn’t know anything about the “robbery” at the time of the shooting.

476 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 15, 2014 9:28:33am

This is how people on twitter can get confused:

The call was initially received at 11:51 via radio.
Officer was dispatched at 11:53.
Arrived at 11:54.
Departed at 18:54/6:54 pm (this is the confusing part…police were at the convenience store for 7 hours?)

477 Dave In Austin  Aug 15, 2014 9:28:55am

Bad Barber!! Bad Barber!!!
Fuckin A!!

478 Ian G.  Aug 15, 2014 9:29:56am

re: #468 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

……or maybe the Bible, like every other freakin’ book, was written by human beings, and God isn’t lying or telling the truth or anything at all in it.

I guess he never considered that possibility.

479 blueraven  Aug 15, 2014 9:29:59am

re: #474 Targetpractice

I’ve not had a chance to read the report yet. Is there any indication of violence involved in this petty theft? Because that seems to be the only excuse I can think of to throw this out there, that Brown had proven violent enough to attack a cop.

There is video. Looks like Brown briefly shoved the store clerk.

480 Targetpractice  Aug 15, 2014 9:30:08am

Only other reason I can think to put this out there is to try to discredit Johnson by arguing that, as an accomplice to this “robbery,” he’d have reason to lie about the initial events of the altercation between Brown and the cop.

481 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Aug 15, 2014 9:31:36am

re: #478 Ian G.

……or maybe the Bible, like every other freakin’ book, was written by human beings, and God isn’t lying or telling the truth or anything at all in it.

I guess he never considered that possibility.

Like I said, you cannot argue with people who insist that their particular Holy Scriptures were dictated by the hand of their choice of Divine Entity, and that their particular interpretation of it is the only valid one.

482 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 15, 2014 9:32:43am

Gov. Nixon speaking now and doing a lot better than Chief Jackson did this morning.

483 Schadenboner  Aug 15, 2014 9:33:15am

re: #481 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

It seems a weak faith, one that brooks neither disagreement nor dissent.

484 Eventual Carrion  Aug 15, 2014 9:33:47am

re: #476 Backwoods_Sleuth

This is how people on twitter can get confused:

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The call was initially received at 11:51 via radio.
Officer was dispatched at 11:53.
Arrived at 11:54.
Departed at 18:54/6:54 pm (this is the confusing part…police were at the convenience store for 7 hours?)

Fresh donuts had just arrived.

485 PhillyPretzel  Aug 15, 2014 9:34:25am

re: #484 Eventual Carrion

lol

486 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 15, 2014 9:35:30am

Sure can tell there’s an airport nearby. Jets keep flying over the presser.

487 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 15, 2014 9:36:25am

Was anyone following the story of 2 missing Amish girls?

They have shown up safe & sound.

488 Mattand  Aug 15, 2014 9:36:49am

re: #443 Backwoods_Sleuth

On a ventilator and still in a drug-induced coma. CAT scan shows there is still some small bleeding in the brain.

I’m so sorry to hear that. I hope he pulls through.

489 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 15, 2014 9:37:11am
490 allegro  Aug 15, 2014 9:38:48am

re: #420 Backwoods_Sleuth

The timeline in the report is just crazy. Makes no sense at all.

Also noting that at the top it says Case Status: Exceptionally Cleared. WTF?

491 Franklin  Aug 15, 2014 9:40:01am

re: #490 allegro

Also noting that at the top it says Case Status: Exceptionally Closed. WTF?

See #436 and #441

492 Lidane  Aug 15, 2014 9:40:02am

re: #470 lawhawk

Please do. Everything I’m seeing in Missouri’s statutes for robbery and stealing/theft says that the cops are talking out of their ass.

At best, Brown would have faced a Class A misdemeanor for stealing, if that. Missouri law allows for some sort of pretrial dispensation, like making restitution or community service, or whatever for first-time or low-level offenses.

493 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 15, 2014 9:40:08am

re: #490 allegro

Also noting that at the top it says Case Status: Exceptionally Cleared. WTF?

re: #436 GlutenFreeJesus explained it.

494 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 15, 2014 9:42:57am

“There things that have to happen after this is all over…” — Ron Johnson

495 Mattand  Aug 15, 2014 9:43:11am

Can someone explain to me why conservatives have to tie themselves into knots in order to justify pumping a black kid full of bullets?

Swear to god, the whole “See? Those people are just natural criminals” vibe is disgusting.

496 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 15, 2014 9:44:16am

re: #495 Mattand

Can someone explain to me why conservatives have to tie themselves into knots in order to justify pumping a black kid full of bullets?

Swear to god, the whole “See? Those people are just natural criminals” vibe is disgusting.

It’s all they got.

497 Kid A  Aug 15, 2014 9:44:58am
498 becominginvisible  Aug 15, 2014 9:45:14am

re: #494 Backwoods_Sleuth

School system is a train wreck.

499 becominginvisible  Aug 15, 2014 9:45:56am

re: #497 Kid A

If the cop is black……

500 GlutenFreeJesus  Aug 15, 2014 9:46:17am

Don’t blame the store clerk for not coming forward but it would be very interesting to hear their side of the story.

That being said, I had a very enlightening convo with a friend of mine who lives not too far from the area. Cops frequently shaking down minority business owners. Searches/seizures without warrants that include money/computers etc. I wouldn’t be the least but surprised if the cops will be or haven’t already harassed this particular store owner. They act like the mafia. No joke.

501 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 15, 2014 9:46:46am

re: #498 becominginvisible

School system is a train wreck.

Johnson and Nixon talked a lot about that as part of the things that have to be addressed now and after this is all over.

502 allegro  Aug 15, 2014 9:46:50am

re: #490 allegro

Also noting that at the top it says Case Status: Exceptionally Cleared. WTF?

Never mind. Should have read the rest of the thread first.

503 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 15, 2014 9:48:01am

re: #501 Backwoods_Sleuth

Johnson and Nixon talked a lot about that as part of the things that have to be addressed now and after this is all over.

If this was 1968 they would be talking about Vietnam.

504 simoom  Aug 15, 2014 9:48:30am
505 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 15, 2014 9:48:45am
506 becominginvisible  Aug 15, 2014 9:49:40am

re: #501 Backwoods_Sleuth

They both were em, hammered about the ongoing issues of school districts that have lost accreditation by the state. Big problem in St. Louis area and Kansas City.

507 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Aug 15, 2014 9:49:52am

re: #497 Kid A

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what’s with the left-handed Hitler salute in the background?

508 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 15, 2014 9:51:13am

Again, on twitter people are jumping on things and not reading. The 8/13 date being highlighted is related to reporting on the investigation.

509 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 15, 2014 9:52:01am

re: #503 Pie-onist Overlord

If this was 1968 they would be talking about Vietnam.

I thought the same thing.

510 becominginvisible  Aug 15, 2014 9:52:15am

re: #507 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

It’s the new nazi salute. European soccer player was fined for it last year.

511 Ian G.  Aug 15, 2014 9:52:15am

re: #495 Mattand

Can someone explain to me why conservatives have to tie themselves into knots in order to justify pumping a black kid full of bullets?

Because they want the “I’m not a racist!” plausible deniability.

Of course, no sane person finds it plausible.

512 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 15, 2014 9:52:36am

re: #506 becominginvisible

They both were em, hammered about the ongoing issues of school districts that have lost accreditation by the state. Big problem in St. Louis area and Kansas City.

Yes they were, and they didn’t dodge the accusations.

513 Ian G.  Aug 15, 2014 9:52:49am

re: #499 becominginvisible

If the cop is black……

I’m sensing a Dave Chapelle skit coming on.

514 PhillyPretzel  Aug 15, 2014 9:52:54am

re: #508 Backwoods_Sleuth

As my late father said,”People read but they do not comprehend.”

515 Feline Fearless Leader  Aug 15, 2014 9:53:07am

re: #474 Targetpractice

I’ve not had a chance to read the report yet. Is there any indication of violence involved in this petty theft? Because that seems to be the only excuse I can think of to throw this out there, that Brown had proven violent enough to attack a cop.

Which appears to be working since at least one co-worker in the lunch room (where CNN is on) believes that the cop was in fear for his life and thus justified in gunning Michael Brown down.

516 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 15, 2014 9:53:56am

re: #514 PhillyPretzel

As my late father said,”People read but they do not comprehend.”

There’s more than enough nonsense in that report without tearing into the parts that actually do make sense.

517 Ian G.  Aug 15, 2014 9:54:45am

Well, I’m glad things are settling down in Ferguson so I can concentrate on an apparent freakin’ invasion of the Ukraine by Russia.

Sigh….

Well, at least the blip of a news story (after Gaza, Iraq, Syria, and the Ukraine all being in flames) about Azerbaijan rattling sabres Armenia’s way seems to have died down.

518 Feline Fearless Leader  Aug 15, 2014 9:54:51am

re: #478 Ian G.

……or maybe the Bible, like every other freakin’ book, was written by human beings, and God isn’t lying or telling the truth or anything at all in it.

I guess he never considered that possibility.

Well, accepting that possibility is also throwing out any claim to moral leadership and demands for absolute obedience as well. So that is right out.

519 PhillyPretzel  Aug 15, 2014 9:55:30am

re: #516 Backwoods_Sleuth

They keep loading it up with manure.

520 William Barnett-Lewis  Aug 15, 2014 9:55:35am

re: #497 Kid A

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ah… ok, time to walk away. I respect Charles’ rules too much.

521 Feline Fearless Leader  Aug 15, 2014 9:56:14am

re: #487 Pie-onist Overlord

Was anyone following the story of 2 missing Amish girls?

They have shown up safe & sound.

I was following it since I used to live in that county (St Lawrence), but in a town further east. Was also through that general area in late June of this year.

522 William Barnett-Lewis  Aug 15, 2014 9:58:21am

re: #487 Pie-onist Overlord

Was anyone following the story of 2 missing Amish girls?

They have shown up safe & sound.

Thank you for this. I think I need to light a thanksgiving candle for them.

523 Danny  Aug 15, 2014 9:58:29am

re: #433 Backwoods_Sleuth

It still says shots (4 or 5 shots) at 14:12. So there were more shots fired 2 hours later?
Like I said, it makes no sense.

If you look on the Event Log page you’ll see “Notes Added” at those times. Those aren’t the times of the shooting. (Sorry for slow reply. Working here.)

524 Eventual Carrion  Aug 15, 2014 9:58:50am

re: #495 Mattand

Can someone explain to me why conservatives have to tie themselves into knots in order to justify pumping a black kid full of bullets?

Swear to god, the whole “See? Those people are just natural criminals” vibe is disgusting.

White kids steal pharmaceuticals, like Jeb Bush’s daughter.

525 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 15, 2014 10:00:03am

Wingnuts think I’m a Communist because I have a collection of matrioshkas (babushkas) on my Twitter profile page.

They don’t notice that the Putin babushka is placed between the Kyle and Kenny babushkas.

526 Targetpractice  Aug 15, 2014 10:00:17am

I have to agree, it seems that the intent of releasing this report today was to get people focused on the “robbery” and on the images of Brown “shoving” the clerk for no other reason than to perpetuate the image of Brown as a violent “thug” who would have been willing to make a grab for a cop’s gun while said cop was in his vehicle. And to discredit his friend and best eyewitness to the shooting by branding him an “accomplice.”

527 Mattand  Aug 15, 2014 10:03:35am

re: #511 Ian G.

Because they want the “I’m not a racist!” plausible deniability.

Of course, no sane person finds it plausible.

Yeah, this. These are same geniuses who insist they’re independent, yet hate Obama and consistently vote Republican.

528 Jenner7  Aug 15, 2014 10:03:57am

I stole this comment, but it perfectly illustrates the problem in this country.

Once again, an unarmed dead black kid in America will have to stand trial for his own murder.

529 PhillyPretzel  Aug 15, 2014 10:05:31am

re: #528 Jenner7

Too true.

530 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 15, 2014 10:06:17am

aaaaaaaaaaarrrrrgggg.
Because the dispatch clock and the convenience store clock are apparently synced.
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Please note that I am not agreeing with the police report, but pointing out stuff like this as “proof” does not help.

531 Stanley Sea  Aug 15, 2014 10:06:45am
532 Franklin  Aug 15, 2014 10:10:00am

re: #530 Backwoods_Sleuth

aaaaaaaaaaarrrrrgggg.
Because the dispatch clock and the convenience store clock are apparently synced.
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Please note that I am not agreeing with the police report, but pointing out stuff like this as “proof” does not help.

There’s a bunch of tweets saying the timstamp says 6/9/2014 instead of 8/9/2014, However, I know people are hurting and want answers.

533 Targetpractice  Aug 15, 2014 10:11:20am

So you’ve just committed petty theft and are walking home. A cop car shows up and the cop inside orders you to get off the street and onto the sidewalk.

Do you:

A) Obey and do so, hoping that will make the cop go away.

B) Run for it in the hope that the time it takes the cop to get out of his vehicle to give chase will allow you to give him the slip.

C) March up to his vehicle and try to steal his gun.

534 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 15, 2014 10:13:51am

Another thing Chief Jackson said this morning: as he stood in front of the burned out Quik Trip, he said there was an armed robbery at a convenience store “but not THIS convenience store”.
Going through the report, on page 10 it says “The suspect was last seen going North on W. Florrisant toward Quik Trip.”
So why is the media saying this all happened at the Quik Trip?
Journalism is truly dead.
o_O

535 simoom  Aug 15, 2014 10:18:59am
536 Kragar  Aug 15, 2014 10:22:53am
537 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 15, 2014 10:23:47am

Just to make myself clear. I think the report is a load of CYA crap.
I just don’t think it helps anything to jump on things out of context as “proof” when they are easily explained. There are more than enough holes to drive a Mack truck through that can be used.

538 Decatur Deb  Aug 15, 2014 10:24:32am

Charles also got props from Wonkette’s coverage of Dim Jim. (Even got his name right in the update.)

Most interesting is that they are snark-acronyming Hoft as “SMOTI”.

539 Targetpractice  Aug 15, 2014 10:24:56am

re: #536 Kragar

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Yeah, it took the FPD since last Saturday to put together the puzzle pieces to show that Brown is a violent “thug” who “robbed” a convenience store and proceeded to attack a cop. Just like Trayvon Martin suddenly became a violent drug addict when toxicology came back with levels of THC in his system.

540 Franklin  Aug 15, 2014 10:25:47am

Funny Break:

541 Kragar  Aug 15, 2014 10:27:39am

re: #539 Targetpractice

Yeah, it took the FPD since last Saturday to put together the puzzle pieces to show that Brown is a violent “thug” who “robbed” a convenience store and proceeded to attack a cop. Just like Trayvon Martin suddenly became a violent drug addict when toxicology came back with levels of THC in his system.

Not only committed a robbery, but a quick change artist who was able to change outfits between the 2 events.

542 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 15, 2014 10:29:05am

OK, at least one reporter isn’t saying it happened at Quik Trip.

543 Decatur Deb  Aug 15, 2014 10:29:20am

There were 10 million shoplifting busts reported in the last 5 years, almost none of them fatal.

shopliftingprevention.org

544 Kragar  Aug 15, 2014 10:30:08am
545 becominginvisible  Aug 15, 2014 10:30:56am

re: #534 Backwoods_Sleuth

Your right, I was wrong to have stated and misspelled Quik Trip upstream in my comments. That was part of what chafed the press, the name of the store was redacted.

546 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 15, 2014 10:31:11am

Another cuteness break:

547 PhillyPretzel  Aug 15, 2014 10:31:16am

re: #544 Kragar

Tell Joni to open both her eyes when she aims that hand cannon.

548 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 15, 2014 10:32:43am

re: #545 becominginvisible

Your right, I was wrong to have stated and misspelled Quik Trip upstream in my comments. That was part of what chafed the press, the name of the store was redacted.

I was spelling it wrong too until I saw how it was spelled in the report and then fact checked myself.

549 Kragar  Aug 15, 2014 10:33:09am
550 Stanley Sea  Aug 15, 2014 10:34:52am
551 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 15, 2014 10:35:41am

MSNBC reporting that Michael Brown’s family just released a statement.
They are outraged over the implications made by Ferguson PD today.

552 klys  Aug 15, 2014 10:37:40am

re: #549 Kragar

Important takeaway from that article, for folks who don’t want to read the whole thing: for the officer’s first two years on the force, the procedure for any non-fatal use-of-force reports did not involve making a copy to put with the officer’s personnel file - and the officer himself got to write up the report.

553 jaunte  Aug 15, 2014 10:39:06am

re: #549 Kragar

On Friday, police finally identified the officer as Darren Wilson, who is said to have no disciplinary record, as such records are kept in Ferguson. We already know that he started out at a time when it was accepted for a Ferguson cop to charge somebody with property damage for bleeding on his uniform and later saying there was no blood on him at all.

Great.

554 Targetpractice  Aug 15, 2014 10:39:26am

re: #552 klys

Important takeaway from that article, for folks who don’t want to read the whole thing: for the officer’s first two years on the force, the procedure for any non-fatal use-of-force reports did not involve making a copy to put with the officer’s personnel file - and the officer himself got to write up the report.

But the police chief told us that the cop’s record was squeaky clean!

/////

555 jaunte  Aug 15, 2014 10:40:08am

re: #551 Backwoods_Sleuth

MSNBC reporting that Michael Brown’s family just released a statement.
They are outraged over the implications made by Ferguson PD today.

Ferguson PD is apparently not learning anything from the past week.

556 Kragar  Aug 15, 2014 10:40:15am

re: #554 Targetpractice

But the police chief told us that the cop’s record was squeaky clean!

/////

It was bleached and a fresh coat of whitewash was applied.

557 Shiplord Kirel  Aug 15, 2014 10:40:29am

Death penalty for shoplifting? Such things have been tried before. This is a story I have heard several times during visits to Guatemala.

In the 1930s, Guatemala was run by the eccentric General Jorge Ubico, who was obsessed with Napoleon Bonaparte and thought he resembled his idol, even though Ubico himself was 6’2” and quite fat. He was a radio engineer and ran his own lavishly equipped ham operation with a worldwide following, and also had a fleet of motorcycles.
In 1936, a visiting American reporter called Guatemala City a pigsty and the dirtiest town he had ever been in. Ubico was incensed, but had to admit there was substance to the allegation. He resolved to clean the place up. By 1941, when John Gunther arrived to gather material for his classic Inside Latin America, there had been an amazing transformation. Gunther said Guatemala City was one the cleanest cities he had seen anywhere in the world, spotless and well organized. He soon discovered the reason: Ubico had stationed a soldier or policeman at every intersection, with a rifle and orders to shoot anyone who threw trash on the road or failed to clean up after their animals. When asked about this, Ubico (who spoke fluent English and liked American slang) boasted, “Yeah, we only had to shoot 3 or 4 litterbugs before the rest got the message.” Ubico was eventually removed in a coup led by junior officers and intellectuals who were fed up with his heavy handed rule and general craziness. He died in exile in New Orleans in 1946.

558 Targetpractice  Aug 15, 2014 10:44:49am

re: #555 jaunte

Ferguson PD is apparently not learning anything from the past week.

They’ve been in CYA mode since the shooting and everything they’ve done has been towards the goal of avoiding any liability in a future lawsuit. On the same day they released the cop’s name (but no photo), they also throw out more chaff by releasing a heavily redacted report on a “robbery” that Brown allegedly engaged in to again shift the focus of discussion from their pathetically dishonest tactics to the circumstances of that “robbery.”

559 Bulworth  Aug 15, 2014 10:47:03am

Oh gawd, the Ferguson PD is having another press conference at 2 pm CT (3 ET).

Maybe they’ll use that time to recite Michael Brown’s rap sheet they got from Jim Hoft.

560 becominginvisible  Aug 15, 2014 10:48:07am

re: #548 Backwoods_Sleuth

I live almost inner city and I never stop at one, my brain just registers them as QT on a red sign.

561 jaunte  Aug 15, 2014 10:48:32am
562 Decatur Deb  Aug 15, 2014 10:51:12am

re: #559 Bulworth

Oh gawd, the Ferguson PD is having another press conference at 2 pm CT (3 ET).

Maybe they’ll use that time to recite Michael Brown’s rap sheet they got from Jim Hoft.

Took this long to round up Crip and Blood sign-language interpreters.

563 lawhawk  Aug 15, 2014 10:51:31am

Post is up.

564 Targetpractice  Aug 15, 2014 10:51:32am

For now the fourth day running, I can certainly see why the FBI got involved in this investigation and am thankful for their decision. Because it looks as though the Ferguson PD is leading itself up to announcing that Brown’s death was the result of his own actions and thus clearing the cop of any wrongdoing.

565 Franklin  Aug 15, 2014 10:51:52am
566 jaunte  Aug 15, 2014 10:55:56am
567 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Aug 15, 2014 10:57:08am

re: #544 Kragar

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So when a black points a gun in a photo he is a thug, when a right-winger points a gun, she is a patriot?

568 lawhawk  Aug 15, 2014 10:57:09am

Okay, the Post Dispatch identified the store involved, and I included it in my post, in part because of clarity when referring to various convenience stores in the area.

The reporting also indicates that the police aren’t charging Dorian Johnson with a crime, even though he’s with Brown at the time of the alleged crime and even though he appears to have received items from Brown. That strikes me as odd, if not inconsistent.

The police department has been more interested in smearing Brown’s actions than they are in revealing their own. That’s quite telling. This is a Department that is under a microscope, and each time they stall and delay, the microscope becomes a scanning electron microscope, and then a tunneling x-ray microscope, where every bit of malfeasance will come to light.

What we know so far is that the department engages in racial profiling as per AG statistics. We know that they’ve lied and possibly commited perjury in at least one major false arrest case. Excessive force cases were improperly handled for years.

But the police response is to try and spin this to blame the victim of their own excessive violence.

569 Bulworth  Aug 15, 2014 10:57:27am

re:
#564

Still no autopsy, but since body has been released to family they should know how many shots he took and where on his body.

If shot in the back they could argue he was fleeing. But if they argue Michael Brown was trying to wrestle the gun from the cop then that makes that argument pretty difficult.

Also agree with you about their wanting to discredit Johnson, since he has been saying Brown had arms raised, etc.

570 jaunte  Aug 15, 2014 10:57:32am

This is about a Police killing Neal.
Everyone should ‘get exercised’.

571 Charles Johnson  Aug 15, 2014 10:59:47am
572 William Barnett-Lewis  Aug 15, 2014 11:01:05am

re: #570 jaunte

Three guesses and the first two don’t count, pig.

573 Jenner7  Aug 15, 2014 11:01:09am

I fear that Darren Wilson just got away with murder today. I am depressed.

574 allegro  Aug 15, 2014 11:01:36am

Dudebro love is creepy.

575 jaunte  Aug 15, 2014 11:01:41am
576 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 15, 2014 11:01:59am
577 lawhawk  Aug 15, 2014 11:02:18am

re: #571 Charles Johnson

Greenwald is curiously quiet about the militarized police in Brazil, his current place of residence, where police have repeatedly gone through the favelas to eliminate the unsavory elements (namely the residents) to make room for sports venues. So spare me the claim that you’re coming around to Greenwald’s position on policing.

578 allegro  Aug 15, 2014 11:02:35am

re: #573 Jenner7

I fear that Darren Wilson just got away with murder today. I am depressed.

As a Ferguson police officer, he got away with it the moment he did it.

579 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Aug 15, 2014 11:03:20am

Virginia deputy sheriff follows standard practice of firing weapon first, assessing situation second. Shoots his own daughter. Derp.

Capt. Donnie Lang of the Frederick County Sheriff’s Office said a security alarm sounded at about 3:30 a.m. Tuesday at the Winchester home of Easton McDonald, a sergeant with the Loudoun County Sheriff’s Office. He said McDonald, responding to the alarm, saw the dark shape of a person advancing through the garage door and fired.

“He figured someone had broken into the garage, and his family was upstairs asleep,” Lang said.

Armed with his privately owned gun — not his service weapon — McDonald fired, Lang said.

“Then he hears her voice and recognizes that it’s his daughter,” he said.

As a wee lad growing up around guns, I was taught four non-negotiable rules:
1) All guns are always loaded.
2) Never allow the gun to point at anything you don’t wish to shoot.
3) Know your target and what lies beyond it.
4) Keep your finger off the trigger until your sights are on the target.

I guess those aren’t fashionable these days. Of course, back then it was generally considered silly to even think about openly carrying a gun around in public like a huge piece of stupid bling jewelry.

580 Decatur Deb  Aug 15, 2014 11:03:41am

re: #571 Charles Johnson

If anyone owns the modern-day War Against Police Militarization, it’s actually the threeper RWNJs, who have been seeing themselves as the police “OPFOR” for years.

581 klys  Aug 15, 2014 11:04:17am

re: #575 jaunte

The officer who wrote the report on the robbery was apparently perfectly willing to ID Brown and Johnson as the suspects without ever trying to talk to Johnson.

Even if you believe that they didn’t want to talk to Johnson about the shooting because they aren’t handling the investigation, surely they should be following up on the robbery?

582 makeitstop  Aug 15, 2014 11:08:59am

re: #540 Franklin Brewsevelt

Funny Break:

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I always wondered what was up with Nancy’s hair.

583 urbanmeemaw  Aug 15, 2014 11:10:37am

re: #576 Pie-onist Overlord

Another hard hitting Snowald inspired piece by Jeffrey Scahill?

584 allegro  Aug 15, 2014 11:13:07am

re: #581 klys

The officer who wrote the report on the robbery was apparently perfectly willing to ID Brown and Johnson as the suspects without ever trying to talk to Johnson.

Even if you believe that they didn’t want to talk to Johnson about the shooting because they aren’t handling the investigation, surely they should be following up on the robbery?

Of a freaking cigar? Since when has ANY police department ever investigated a minor shoplifting incident?

585 klys  Aug 15, 2014 11:21:03am

re: #584 allegro

Of a freaking cigar? Since when has ANY police department ever investigated a minor shoplifting incident?

I would agree with that normally, but given how this one has turned out, you’d think that a responsible one would want to cross the ts and dot the is.

586 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 15, 2014 11:23:40am

—

587 socrets  Aug 15, 2014 12:38:39pm

re: #378 lawhawk

More like Hell freezing over with Satan turning over a new leaf by feeding the hungry.


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