Watch Live: Press Conference With Gov. Nixon and Highway Patrol Officials in Ferguson

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That was quite a scene. The news is that Gov. Nixon is declaring a state of emergency and imposing a curfew, from 12 midnight to 5am. He said nothing about releasing the incident report for the shooting, or the autopsy results for Michael Brown.

The audience was very incensed, and there were many angry interruptions. I don’t know if they intended to take more questions, but Nixon was clearly rattled, and beat a hasty retreat after just a few minutes.

I don’t think this helped very much.

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1 Kid A  Aug 16, 2014 1:17:33pm

So far, so good, Nixon.

2 b.d.  Aug 16, 2014 1:20:06pm

Gov. signed a state of emergency and is imposing a curfew

3 goddamnedfrank  Aug 16, 2014 1:20:30pm

Ugh.

4 Charles Johnson  Aug 16, 2014 1:21:54pm

This is not going to go over well.

5 Charles Johnson  Aug 16, 2014 1:22:04pm

Someone yelling at Nixon now.

6 b.d.  Aug 16, 2014 1:22:05pm

Heckler interrupts and demands that the Gov. charge the policeman with murder, cheers and applause comes from crowd.

7 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 16, 2014 1:22:11pm

re: #2 b.d.

Gov. signed a state of emergency and is imposing a curfew

8 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 16, 2014 1:22:52pm
9 goddamnedfrank  Aug 16, 2014 1:22:59pm

Do they clone white southern police chiefs in some kind of vat?

10 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Aug 16, 2014 1:24:05pm

Midnight curfew isn’t that bad, actually. Protects from looting.

11 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Aug 16, 2014 1:25:18pm

Ron Johnson knocking it out of the park.

12 Dark_Falcon  Aug 16, 2014 1:27:23pm

re: #6 b.d.

Heckler interrupts and demands that the Gov. charge the policeman with murder, cheers and applause comes from crowd.

He actually can’t do that, I don’t think. Although the state’s attorney general likely could. Is that an independently elected position in Missouri?

13 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 16, 2014 1:27:30pm

Guess we know now why the St Louis County PD showed up a little while ago with all their toys.

14 Stanley Sea  Aug 16, 2014 1:30:08pm

I can’t hear the comment!

15 Charles Johnson  Aug 16, 2014 1:31:51pm

This audience is pissed.

16 Stanley Sea  Aug 16, 2014 1:32:01pm

Someone called him the negro whisperer on twitter.

17 freetoken  Aug 16, 2014 1:33:04pm

Embedded video is not showing for me.

18 ipsos  Aug 16, 2014 1:33:22pm

I am imagining Bill Clinton at that podium. The difference between an extraordinary politician and an average one like Jay Nixon is so critical at a moment like this. Nixon doesn’t have this crowd. Johnson mostly does. Clinton would own it.

19 b.d.  Aug 16, 2014 1:33:42pm

Not getting instilled with confidence here.

20 Danny  Aug 16, 2014 1:35:00pm

re: #12 Dark_Falcon

He actually can’t do that, I don’t think. Although the state’s attorney general likely could. Is that an independently elected position in Missouri?

Grand Jury.

21 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Aug 16, 2014 1:35:48pm

re: #17 freetoken

Embedded video is not showing for me.

I had to switch to Chrome to get the video to work. Doesn’t work in Safari for me.

22 Dark_Falcon  Aug 16, 2014 1:36:03pm

BBL

23 Mattand  Aug 16, 2014 1:37:24pm

So let me get this straight: the guy who kicked the Rambo wannabes out of town and installed a black state trooper in an effort to calm things down, is now essentially doing what the Rambo wannabes were doing in the first place?

Will the curfew be enforced on the white side of town?

24 goddamnedfrank  Aug 16, 2014 1:37:50pm

When I run the world press conferences are going to have one rule: If you aren’t holding the conch shell then shut the fuck up.

25 freetoken  Aug 16, 2014 1:38:02pm

re: #21 Rev_Arthur_Belling

I had to switch to Chrome to get the video to work. Doesn’t work in Safari for me.

I am using Chrome. But the player just totally whites out on the page.

26 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Aug 16, 2014 1:38:28pm

re: #25 freetoken

I am using Chrome. But the player just totally whites out on the page.

It’s working for me. Dunno.

27 gwangung  Aug 16, 2014 1:39:08pm

re: #23 Mattand

So let me get this straight: the guy who kicked the Rambo wannabes out of town and installed a black state trooper in an effort to calm things down, is now essentially doing what the Rambo wannabes were doing in the first place?

Can you spell “power struggle”?

28 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Aug 16, 2014 1:40:23pm

re: #23 Mattand

So let me get this straight: the guy who kicked the Rambo wannabes out of town and installed a black state trooper in an effort to calm things down, is now essentially doing what the Rambo wannabes were doing in the first place?

Will the curfew be enforced on the white side of town?

Except the Rambo wannabes weren’t enforcing a curfew. They were encouraging chaos. I don’t see where a curfew of midnight to 5 a.m. is a bad thing in a situation where idiot looters are showing up after midnight to smash shit.

29 teleskiguy  Aug 16, 2014 1:40:31pm
30 b.d.  Aug 16, 2014 1:40:58pm

Member of a local lawyer group asks a 20 minute question, some stereotypes are real.

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31 Mattand  Aug 16, 2014 1:43:04pm

re: #28 Rev_Arthur_Belling

Except the Rambo wannabes weren’t enforcing a curfew. They were encouraging chaos. I don’t see where a curfew of midnight to 5 a.m. is a bad thing in a situation where idiot looters are showing up after midnight to smash shit.

Didn’t realize the time, should have checked before opening my mouth. I figured it would be another dusk to dawn deal. My mistake.

Part of my reaction was also due to the fact the Gov ignored Ferguson for like four days before he got off his ass and did something.

32 teleskiguy  Aug 16, 2014 1:44:50pm
33 abolitionist  Aug 16, 2014 1:45:36pm

re: #24 goddamnedfrank

When I run the world press conferences are going to have one rule: If you aren’t holding the conch shell then shut the fuck up.

That’s a Lord of the Flies reference.

34 ipsos  Aug 16, 2014 1:45:58pm

Nixon really needs to start showing some empathy here.

35 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Aug 16, 2014 1:46:54pm

re: #31 Mattand

Didn’t realize the time, should have checked before opening my mouth. I figured it would be another dusk to dawn deal. My mistake.

Understandable. When I first saw “curfew” I was thinking the same thing, but then Johnson mentioned the actual hours in the press conference, and it seems like not a substantial burden on free speech, protests, etc.

We’ll see.

36 calochortus  Aug 16, 2014 1:47:28pm

That’s nice. Nixon “hoped things would return to normal.” I guess that should take care of it.
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37 Decatur Deb  Aug 16, 2014 1:47:53pm

re: #34 ipsos

Nixon really needs to start showing some empathy here.

“Sincerity - if you can fake that, you’ve got it made.”
-George Burns

38 Kid A  Aug 16, 2014 1:48:23pm

Okay, please disregard my comment in #1.

39 b.d.  Aug 16, 2014 1:48:26pm

re: #36 calochortus

That’s nice. Nixon “hoped things would return to normal.” I guess that should take care of it.
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Wasn’t “normal’ what caused this whole problem in the first place?

40 Mattand  Aug 16, 2014 1:49:19pm

I need to take a break from some of this. Someone on FB posted a video of a black man supposedly telling other black people to knock off the looting. Haven’t watched the clip, but it’s sourced from toprightnews.com.

Maybe I’m wrong, but based on the description of the video and the name of the site, I think I’ve got a pretty good idea of where they’re coming from.

Also, the woman who posted is a nice person, but critical thinking ain’t exactly her strong suit. She’s Goth conservative, for what that’s worth.

41 goddamnedfrank  Aug 16, 2014 1:51:02pm

LOL. Angela Merkel’s hypocrisy is finally coming to light.

German secret agents ‘eavesdropped on phone calls’ by Hillary Clinton and John Kerry

German secret agents intercepted one of Hillary Clinton’s phone calls while she was US secretary of state and also listened in to a call by John Kerry, her successor, it emerged this weekend, in an embarrassing reversal of the spying scandal that blew up when it was revealed last year that America bugged Angela Merkel’s mobile phone.

Mrs Clinton was on a US government plane when German intelligence services overheard her call and, against their own internal protocol, stored it, intelligence sources told German media.

The intercepted phone call took place in 2012 between Mrs Clinton and Kofi Annan, the former United Nations secretary general, who had just returned from negotiations in Syria and wanted to brief her, the German weekly Der Spiegel reported on Saturday.

Der Spiegel also claimed that agents from the state intelligence services listened in on a phone call by John Kerry, the current US secretary of state - and that Germany has been spying on its NATO ally Turkey since 2009.

Looks like her Pollyanna routine was a bunch of cynical horse shit.

42 teleskiguy  Aug 16, 2014 1:51:24pm

That presser accomplished zip, zilch, nada, zero, nothing.

43 b.d.  Aug 16, 2014 1:51:29pm

I hope Governor Nixon didn’t have aspirations for higher office because that ship just sailed this afternoon.

44 CuriousLurker  Aug 16, 2014 1:52:00pm

Oy, he’s doing it again…

45 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Aug 16, 2014 1:52:30pm

re: #40 Mattand

She’s Goth conservative, for what that’s worth.

LOLWUT?

46 goddamnedfrank  Aug 16, 2014 1:52:53pm

re: #33 abolitionist

That’s a Lord of the Flies reference.

Sucks to your assmar!!!

47 abolitionist  Aug 16, 2014 1:52:57pm

Media Staging Area has been a favored authoritarian tactic for seriously limiting First Ammendment rights for many decades.

48 Stanley Sea  Aug 16, 2014 1:53:02pm

Oh geeze.

I just hope the FBI is getting all the interviews sewed up.

Only when that cop is arrested will this end.

49 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Aug 16, 2014 1:53:55pm

re: #42 teleskiguy

That presser accomplished zip, zilch, nada, zero, nothing.

I don’t know. I think Johnson handled himself well, and the reasoning behind the curfew was explained pretty much. I didn’t get to hear Nixon at first, but he’s obviously out of his league. Like I said above, we’ll see how well this plays out later tonight. It’s obvious this situation isn’t going to go away for a while.

50 b.d.  Aug 16, 2014 1:53:59pm

MSNBC anchor and panel is going ballistic

51 ipsos  Aug 16, 2014 1:54:10pm

Somewhere in a back room of that church, Johnson and Nixon (and how’s THAT for a pair of names?) must be screaming at each other right now.

52 Kid A  Aug 16, 2014 1:54:37pm

re: #50 b.d.

MSNBC anchor and panel is going ballistic

Bloom says “D-” for Nixon’s performance.

53 KerFuFFler  Aug 16, 2014 1:55:14pm

I worry that Mo is going to get a GOP governor next time around because Nixon has done a great job alienating his base. He really did not come off well at this event. I know it is frustrating to be interrupted, but he just came off as so testy when he really needed to be gracious.

54 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 16, 2014 1:55:28pm
55 abolitionist  Aug 16, 2014 1:55:35pm

re: #46 goddamnedfrank

Sucks to your assmar!!!

!?

56 Decatur Deb  Aug 16, 2014 1:55:58pm

re: #23 Mattand

So let me get this straight: the guy who kicked the Rambo wannabes out of town and installed a black state trooper in an effort to calm things down, is now essentially doing what the Rambo wannabes were doing in the first place?

Will the curfew be enforced on the white side of town?

It’s a matter of style, flair, panache if you will.

57 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Aug 16, 2014 1:56:01pm

I have to say that Johnson missed a career in politics. He was very calm, measured, logical and on point throughout his part of the Q&A. I would have been yelling at people to STFU and let me answer.

58 goddamnedfrank  Aug 16, 2014 1:56:22pm

I have morons on my team.

59 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 16, 2014 1:56:28pm
60 ipsos  Aug 16, 2014 1:57:04pm

MSNBC anchor just pulled out his earpiece so he can’t hear his producers telling him what to say or when to stop saying it. You don’t see that often on live TV.

61 goddamnedfrank  Aug 16, 2014 1:57:32pm

re: #55 abolitionist

!?

Youtube Video

62 Stanley Sea  Aug 16, 2014 1:58:16pm

re: #48 Stanley Sea

Oh geeze.

I just hope the FBI is getting all the interviews sewed up.

Only when that cop is arrested will this end.

Nah, this is systemic. What a horrible shitshow.

63 bratwurst  Aug 16, 2014 1:58:43pm

That was the dumbest press event not including Herman Cain I have seen in a long time.

64 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Aug 16, 2014 1:59:58pm

re: #60 ipsos

MSNBC anchor just pulled out his earpiece so he can’t hear his producers telling him what to say or when to stop saying it. You don’t see that often on live TV.

Who was it?

Honestly, I’m surprised MSNBC broke into their prison life weekend marathon to cover this.

65 EPR-radar  Aug 16, 2014 2:00:27pm

re: #62 Stanley Sea

Nah, this is systemic. What a horrible shitshow.

I think at this point putting the entire Ferguson PD on indefinite administrative leave would be a good start. Their attempts to incite rioting are really too much to put up with.

It also seems crazy to leave the murder investigation up to the usual authorities.

66 b.d.  Aug 16, 2014 2:01:39pm

re: #64 Rev_Arthur_Belling

Who was it?

Honestly, I’m surprised MSNBC broke into their prison life weekend marathon to cover this.

A shock video show about teens videotaping there own fights is on MSNBC now. It’s called Teens Gone Wild. Really.

67 CuriousLurker  Aug 16, 2014 2:02:00pm

re: #48 Stanley Sea

Oh geeze.

I just hope the FBI is getting all the interviews sewed up.

Only when that cop is arrested will this end.

Bottom line is if this had been a white kid in a white neighborhood, this would be being handled completely differently. When was the last time you heard of an unarmed 18-year-old white kid getting gunned down in the street by a cop and left there for hours, then MRAPS & snipers being brought in to stop demonstrations, the shooter cop being whisked out of town, etc.

I can’t recall ever hearing of something like that. The people of Ferguson might be black & underprivileged, but they’re not deaf, dumb and blind.

68 Stanley Sea  Aug 16, 2014 2:02:23pm

re: #65 EPR-radar

I think at this point putting the entire Ferguson PD on indefinite administrative leave would be a good start. Their attempts to incite rioting are really too much to put up with.

It also seems crazy to leave the murder investigation up to the usual authorities.

They’re trying to get it to the Justice Dept. Trying.

69 Stanley Sea  Aug 16, 2014 2:03:11pm
70 ipsos  Aug 16, 2014 2:03:57pm

re: #64 Rev_Arthur_Belling

They went one hour over their usual 4 PM deadline for switching from “intelligent people of all colors talking about the issues” to “blah people acting badly in prison.”

71 EPR-radar  Aug 16, 2014 2:04:01pm

re: #67 CuriousLurker

Bottom line is if this had been a white kid in a white neighborhood, this would be being handled completely differently. When was the last time you heard of an unarmed 18-year-old white kid getting gunned down in the street by a cop and left there for hours, then MRAPS & snipers being brought in to stop demonstrations, the shooter cop being whisked out of town, etc.

I can’t recall ever hearing of something like that. The people of Ferguson might be black & underprivileged, but they’re not deaf, dumb and blind.

All very true. This isn’t even a close call. Over at RedState, there is significant criticism of law enforcement actions in this case, and criticism of LE from that crowd is very unusual.

72 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 16, 2014 2:04:23pm
73 Stanley Sea  Aug 16, 2014 2:04:24pm
74 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Aug 16, 2014 2:04:27pm

re: #67 CuriousLurker

Bottom line is if this had been a white kid in a white neighborhood, this would be being handled completely differently.

I remember rich areas of Houston that have their own police departments, and the kids would get off of DUI’s and similar shit because they were in the city limits of that area, and not Houston proper.

Not surprising.

75 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 16, 2014 2:05:31pm
76 Charles Johnson  Aug 16, 2014 2:06:38pm
77 Charles Johnson  Aug 16, 2014 2:06:52pm
78 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Aug 16, 2014 2:07:50pm

re: #72 Backwoods_Sleuth

So, if folks ignore the curfew, the cops are going to start arresting people? Because that oughtta go swimmingly. #Ferguson

Sometimes ABL lets her mouth get ahead of her brain.

The looting didn’t start until late in the evening last night, after midnight, IIRC. If the community really cares about the businesses in the community, as well as having their say, they would retire at midnight and be done with it.

Also, Johnson said in the presser that they wouldn’t use MRAPs or tear gas to enforce the curfew, but “communication.”

79 teleskiguy  Aug 16, 2014 2:09:29pm

I’m out for a bit. I’m out of cannabis, gotta go to the weed store. I love Colorado!

BBL

80 gwangung  Aug 16, 2014 2:09:38pm

re: #78 Rev_Arthur_Belling

Sometimes ABL lets her mouth get ahead of her brain.

The looting didn’t start until late in the evening last night, after midnight, IIRC. If the community really cares about the businesses in the community, as well as having their say, they would retire at midnight and be done with it.

Also, Johnson said in the presser that they wouldn’t use MRAPs or tear gas to enforce the curfew, but “communication.”

On the other hand, if you’r going by past experience, a heap load of suspicion is not going to be an unexpected side dish…

81 Jenner7  Aug 16, 2014 2:11:04pm

re: #78 Rev_Arthur_Belling

It was my understanding, from reading tweets last night, that the majority of community out there last night were trying to protect property from looters. They can only do so much though.

82 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Aug 16, 2014 2:11:52pm

re: #80 gwangung

On the other hand, if you’r going by past experience, a heap load of suspicion is not going to be an unexpected side dish…

Yeah, I get the suspicion. I’m thinking people should see how shit goes down tonight before acting like it’s an affront to their free speech rights, etc. to have the curfew. Johnson’s tactics were solid Thursday.

I don’t think any of the community wants to see more ugly scenes like last night with the stores being looted.

83 sagehen  Aug 16, 2014 2:13:01pm

How we’d cover Ferguson if it happened in another country

FERGUSON — Chinese and Russian officials are warning of a potential humanitarian crisis in the restive American province of Missouri, where ancient communal tensions have boiled over into full-blown violence.

“We must use all means at our disposal to end the violence and restore calm to the region,” Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said in comments to an emergency United Nations Security Council session on the America crisis.

The crisis began a week ago in Ferguson, a remote Missouri village that has been a hotbed of sectarian tension. State security forces shot and killed an unarmed man, which regional analysts say has angered the local population by surfacing deep-seated sectarian grievances. Regime security forces cracked down brutally on largely peaceful protests, worsening the crisis.

and it goes on from there, worth reading the entire piece… Vox may not be great at actual news, but clearly they can manage satire just fine.

84 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Aug 16, 2014 2:14:21pm

re: #81 Jenner7

It was my understanding, from reading tweets last night, that the majority of community out there last night were trying to protect property from looters. They can only do so much though.

Yes. Preventing looting is a legitimate police exercise. There were obviously some outside agitators coming in and breaking shit.

85 goddamnedfrank  Aug 16, 2014 2:15:41pm

re: #78 Rev_Arthur_Belling

Sometimes ABL lets her mouth get ahead of her brain.

The looting didn’t start until late in the evening last night, after midnight, IIRC. If the community really cares about the businesses in the community, as well as having their say, they would retire at midnight and be done with it.

Also, Johnson said in the presser that they wouldn’t use MRAPs or tear gas to enforce the curfew, but “communication.”

If the Governor had any brains he never would have issued a State of Emergency or instituted an official curfew. All that needed to be done was for the cops to announce that existing noise disturbance ordinances would again start being enforced throughout normal sleeping hours. That people could continue to gather and hold peaceful vigil for Brown, but that there had to be some modicum of respect for the community’s routine patterns of activity and people’s need to rest without being interrupted all through the night by crazy shit.

86 Charles Johnson  Aug 16, 2014 2:17:20pm

I don’t think Gov. Nixon made anything better with this decision, and I don’t think he’s going to get the results he was after. We’ll see tonight, but I doubt the Ferguson community is going to react very well to being told that they’re the problem and they need to be put under a curfew.

87 Ryan King  Aug 16, 2014 2:18:30pm

You know the right wing cretins are hoping for more rioting.

88 Charles Johnson  Aug 16, 2014 2:19:07pm
89 urbanmeemaw  Aug 16, 2014 2:19:39pm

re: #23 Mattand

After a Cincinnati policeman shot Timothy Thomas in 2001 a curfew was imposed for 3 nights. Those of us who lived in neighborhoods with higher African American population complied. There were accusations that the more affluent white neighborhoods were not as constrained.

The first night half most of us were in the neighborhood Kroger picking up last minute necessities. I recall that everyone was very polite and courteous to each other. It was as if we were determined to prove to each other we could still be nice, considerate neighbors. Not a scenario “conventional wisdom” would have predicted.

90 nines09  Aug 16, 2014 2:19:39pm

Good thing Gov. Nixon isn’t on the bomb squad. He would be Film at 11.

91 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 16, 2014 2:20:01pm

re: #86 Charles Johnson

I don’t think Gov. Nixon made anything better with this decision, and I don’t think he’s going to get the results he was after. We’ll see tonight, but I doubt the Ferguson community is going to react very well to being told that they’re the problem and they need to be put under a curfew.

THIS.

92 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Aug 16, 2014 2:20:12pm

re: #85 goddamnedfrank

If the Governor had any brains he never would have issued a State of Emergency or instituted an official curfew. All that needed to be done was for the cops to announce that existing noise disturbance ordinances would again start being enforced throughout normal sleeping hours. That people could continue to gather and hold peaceful vigil for Brown, but that there had to be some modicum of respect for the community’s routine patterns of activity and people’s need to rest without being interrupted all through the night by crazy shit.

We’re well beyond “existing noise disturbance ordinances” at this point. You have looters coming in, protesters protecting businesses throughout the night, and a noise disturbance is going to defuse that situation?

Honestly, I’m surprised someone (looter or protester) didn’t get severely injured last night.

I have no comment on the “state of emergency” part of it, but I don’t think a curfew is uncalled for at this point.

93 thedopefishlives  Aug 16, 2014 2:21:09pm

Afternoon Lizardim. Well, this whole thing has officially jumped the shark into true clusterfuck territory. It’s pretty obvious Wilson’s going to (literally) get away with murder here, and that the white folk are all circling the wagons around him. It has the potential to get ugly, and then they’re going to say, “SEE, I TOLD YOU SO” and break out the tanks and body armor again. Fuckin’ morons. How go things among the lizardfolk on this sunny and incredibly humid day?

94 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Aug 16, 2014 2:21:48pm

re: #92 Rev_Arthur_Belling

And what do you do if a large number of peaceful protesters ignore the curfew? Start hauling them away to jail?

95 Danny  Aug 16, 2014 2:21:53pm

re: #68 Stanley Sea

They’re trying to get it to the Justice Dept. Trying.

The DOJ is already conducting a civil rights investigation. Federal law prohibits them from “taking over” the homicide investigation.

96 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Aug 16, 2014 2:22:06pm

re: #86 Charles Johnson

I don’t think Gov. Nixon made anything better with this decision, and I don’t think he’s going to get the results he was after. We’ll see tonight, but I doubt the Ferguson community is going to react very well to being told that they’re the problem and they need to be put under a curfew.

I gathered that the problem was the looters, who were not necessarily community members?

97 EPR-radar  Aug 16, 2014 2:23:42pm

re: #94 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

And what do you do if a large number of peaceful protesters ignore the curfew? Start hauling them away to jail?

That would be a significant escalation in the rate at which the shit hits the fan.

98 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Aug 16, 2014 2:23:46pm

re: #94 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

And what do you do if a large number of peaceful protesters ignore the curfew? Start hauling them away to jail?

I don’t know what they plan to do if that happens. I’m sure Johnson et al are working out contingencies.

It’s a clusterfuck, I agree. What’s your proposal instead?

99 abolitionist  Aug 16, 2014 2:24:50pm

re: #90 nines09

Good thing Gov. Nixon isn’t on the bomb squad. He would be Film at 11.

Always cut the black wire first.
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100 Targetpractice  Aug 16, 2014 2:25:48pm

Way I see it, it’s a lose-lose for the people of Ferguson. If they violate the curfew in mass, then those claiming that it’s lawlessness on the part of the community that is the problem seem vindicated. If they obey the curfew and nothing happens tonight, then again those saying the community is to blame seem vindicated.

101 Shiplord Kirel  Aug 16, 2014 2:27:00pm

This is pathetic, even for the Daily Mail:
Mother of policeman who shot dead Michael Brown was ‘a serial con artist who defrauded thousands of dollars from neighbors in stolen credit card scheme’

Attention Daily Fail! Wilson is not responsible for his mother. He seems to have trouble enough of his own anyway.

102 becominginvisible  Aug 16, 2014 2:27:14pm

re: #86 Charles Johnson

From the news and twit reports most of the looting was where there weren’t enough locals to prevent it. Curfew midnight to 5am just seems to give the locals a break, except for those coming and going to work.

103 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Aug 16, 2014 2:27:15pm

re: #98 Rev_Arthur_Belling

I don’t know what they plan to do if that happens. I’m sure Johnson et al are working out contingencies.

It’s a clusterfuck, I agree. What’s your proposal instead?

What Frank said. Insist any protests after midnight be quiet vigils. Put it in community terms, not making the community the problem. Respect the anger and the pain. Walk with them. Don’t confront them.

This draws a line, and says anyone out past curfew is The Problem.

104 EPR-radar  Aug 16, 2014 2:27:37pm

re: #98 Rev_Arthur_Belling

Speaking for myself, if Gov. Nixon wanted to get a curfew to be accepted by the community, he should have paired that with something that the community most likely desires —- e.g., unusual state and or federal oversight of the murder investigation, rather than insisting on business as usual on that front.

105 goddamnedfrank  Aug 16, 2014 2:27:51pm

re: #98 Rev_Arthur_Belling

I don’t know what they plan to do if that happens. I’m sure Johnson et al are working out contingencies.

It’s a clusterfuck, I agree. What’s your proposal instead?

Not inviting pointless confrontation and drawing a temporal line in the sand. An official curfew is patronizing, insulting and offensive as fuck. Enforcing normal noise ordinances is something the vast majority of people would find eminently understandable and reasonable.

106 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Aug 16, 2014 2:30:10pm

re: #105 goddamnedfrank

Not inviting pointless confrontation and drawing a temporal line in the sand. An official curfew is patronizing, insulting and offensive as fuck. Enforcing normal noise ordinances is something the vast majority of people would find eminently understandable and reasonable.

re: #103 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

What Frank said. Insist any protests after midnight be quiet vigils. Put it in community terms, not making the community the problem. Respect the anger and the pain. Walk with them. Don’t confront them.

This draws a line, and says anyone out past curfew is The Problem.

I actually consider it clearing the roads so police can focus on the shithead looters who are fucking things up for everyone. YMMV.

107 b.d.  Aug 16, 2014 2:30:20pm

Can we have a FBI led press conference now?

Please?

108 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Aug 16, 2014 2:31:19pm

re: #105 goddamnedfrank

Not inviting pointless confrontation and drawing a temporal line in the sand. An official curfew is patronizing, insulting and offensive as fuck. Enforcing normal noise ordinances is something the vast majority of people would find eminently understandable and reasonable.

I don’t see an official curfew as “patronizing, insulting and offensive as fuck.” But that’s just me. It’s not like it’s a dusk till dawn curfew.

109 Targetpractice  Aug 16, 2014 2:31:49pm

re: #106 Rev_Arthur_Belling

I actually consider it clearing the roads so police can focus on the shithead looters who are fucking things up for everyone. YMMV.

That’s sort of gambling on there being more looting tonight, now that the curfew has been imposed. If the community obeys the curfew and the looters stay out of Ferguson, then the logical conclusion to draw is that the looters are from the local community.

110 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Aug 16, 2014 2:35:03pm

re: #109 Targetpractice

That’s sort of gambling on there being more looting tonight, now that the curfew has been imposed. If the community obeys the curfew and the looters stay out of Ferguson, then the logical conclusion to draw is that the looters are from the local community.

Or the looters understand that they wouldn’t be able to hide behind a big crowd?

111 BishopX  Aug 16, 2014 2:38:08pm

It’s funny to think that over the last few days (since the staties showed up) the local police have been the ones living in fear. Once all their scary-long range riot gear was verboten they’re refusing to go anywhere Canfield Dr. in small numbers. Hence the non-response to the looting, and the attempt at a curfew rather than a regular patrol.

I wonder if that feeling has been an under-current of police/community relations for a long time in Ferguson, that the guns where the only things keeping the cops safe.

112 Targetpractice  Aug 16, 2014 2:38:41pm

re: #110 Rev_Arthur_Belling

Or the looters understand that they wouldn’t be able to hide behind a big crowd?

Indeed, looters have been exploiting gaps in the coverage, whether it be cops tied up in the neighborhood while looting went on elsewhere or forcing protestors to spread themselves thin covering too many stores.

113 goddamnedfrank  Aug 16, 2014 2:39:00pm

re: #110 Rev_Arthur_Belling

Or the looters understand that they wouldn’t be able to hide behind a big crowd?

If those who decide to remain out know that there’s a reasonable need to be quiet those who try to start shit and loot are not only going to stand out, but the community should be able to shame them and direct police towards the troublemakers much more effectively. Treating everyone who remains out as if they are a problem is a good way to become needlessly overwhelmed and create a riot out of a controllable situation.

114 abolitionist  Aug 16, 2014 2:40:31pm

re: #113 goddamnedfrank

If those who decide to remain out know that there’s a reasonable need to be quiet those who try to start shit and loot are not only going to stand out, but the community should be able to shame them and direct police towards the troublemakers much more effectively. Treating everyone who remains out into a problem is a good way to become needlessly overwhelmed and create a riot out of a controllable situation.

The cynic in me says, Bingo!

115 becominginvisible  Aug 16, 2014 2:41:39pm

re: #111 BishopX

Part of what the community has been complaining about the last week. Finally they feel as if a few people are listening, but at such a high cost.

116 Stanley Sea  Aug 16, 2014 2:41:45pm
117 ausador  Aug 16, 2014 2:41:51pm

re: #109 Targetpractice

That’s sort of gambling on there being more looting tonight, now that the curfew has been imposed. If the community obeys the curfew and the looters stay out of Ferguson, then the logical conclusion to draw is that the looters are from the local community.

I hope that after last night the police will be making more of an effort to keep outsiders from entering the area after dark. Once the curfew hits they probably wont be allowing anyone in without a verifiably valid reason period.

Still I see your point, the people inclined to think the worst of the community will not take that into account when assigning blame.

118 Charles Johnson  Aug 16, 2014 2:42:19pm
119 wrenchwench  Aug 16, 2014 2:42:22pm
120 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 16, 2014 2:47:14pm
121 b.d.  Aug 16, 2014 2:48:08pm

OT but did I miss the dudebro outrage over this?

Germany’s foreign intelligence agency eavesdropped on US Secretary of State John Kerry and his predecessor Hillary Clinton, German media reports say.

bbc.com

122 austin_blue  Aug 16, 2014 2:51:08pm

Just saw a clip of Our Handsome Governor Goodhair at his Presser. Richard showed up, not Rick.

123 becominginvisible  Aug 16, 2014 2:52:39pm

re: #121 b.d.

Read about a few weeks ago. Germans were less than amused. Didn’t pay attention to local reaction, if any.

124 thedopefishlives  Aug 16, 2014 2:53:27pm

re: #121 b.d.

OT but did I miss the dudebro outrage over this?

bbc.com

Why would there be dudebro outrage? The United States was the target of the eavesdropping, that’s a good thing.

125 CuriousLurker  Aug 16, 2014 2:55:53pm

OT - A short mental health break:

Peanut butter cookies with peanut butter cups. Nom, nom, nom…

MY kitteh!

Friend sent this. Said it made her think of me. LOL

Youtube Video

126 Teukka  Aug 16, 2014 2:58:40pm

re: #121 b.d.

OT but did I miss the dudebro outrage over this?

bbc.com

Yet another sign that they might be under influence of elements which wish to weaken the US Government.
Seen other signs that suggest that as of late.

127 becominginvisible  Aug 16, 2014 3:00:10pm

re: #12 Dark_Falcon

Yes, position currently held by Chris Koster. He was in Ferguson yesterday.

128 b.d.  Aug 16, 2014 3:01:28pm

How many Obama’s Katrinas have we had now?
I think about a dozen and I can’t remember a single one.

129 wrenchwench  Aug 16, 2014 3:02:47pm

re: #125 CuriousLurker

OT - A short mental health break:

Peanut butter cookies with peanut butter cups. Nom, nom, nom…

[Embedded content]

Video

You win the triple crown! I giggled through the whole Roomba vid.

130 Stanley Sea  Aug 16, 2014 3:03:06pm

Levity. Thank you Mr. Takei!

131 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 16, 2014 3:04:23pm

re: #125 CuriousLurker

OT - A short mental health break:

Peanut butter cookies with peanut butter cups. Nom, nom, nom…

[Embedded content]

Making these this evening, as a matter of fact…

132 CuriousLurker  Aug 16, 2014 3:06:06pm

re: #129 wrenchwench

You win the triple crown! I giggled through the whole Roomba vid.

Me too, that cat was so derpy.

133 CuriousLurker  Aug 16, 2014 3:09:44pm

What is it with the dead thread trolling? *smh*

134 JasonA  Aug 16, 2014 3:10:11pm

Looks like I picked the wrong week to come back to LGF…

135 Stanley Sea  Aug 16, 2014 3:10:27pm

People on the ground - that’s who I’m going to try to listen to. Others right now are losing their shit - mostly the safe people afar.

136 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 16, 2014 3:11:41pm
137 blueraven  Aug 16, 2014 3:12:04pm

I think what has been so awful about the Michael Brown case is this:

The officer may very well have been justified. *Eyewitness reports aside for the moment.
The way this thing has been handled just reeks.
No official report of incident.
The piecemeal info.
The conflicting accounts by Ferguson police.
The timing of the release of the “robbery” video.
The heavy initial military style show of force.

All of this spurs distrust of everything. It is FUBAR.

*If the eyewitness accounts are indeed accurate, there is no justification whatsoever.

138 PhillyPretzel  Aug 16, 2014 3:12:19pm

re: #133 CuriousLurker

Some folks want to stir things up.

139 Cassidy  Aug 16, 2014 3:12:44pm

re: #121 b.d.

OT but did I miss the dudebro outrage over this?

bbc.com

Only the US can do evil internet stuff. It’s only a fact if it come from a Snowden or Greenwald tweet.

140 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 16, 2014 3:14:29pm

re: #135 Stanley Sea

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People on the ground - that’s who I’m going to try to listen to. Others right now are losing their shit - mostly the safe people afar.

yep

141 Stanley Sea  Aug 16, 2014 3:17:00pm

Oh fuck, KT just re-tweeted me.

Separation issues.

142 TedStriker  Aug 16, 2014 3:17:08pm

re: #134 JasonA

Looks like I picked the wrong week to come back to LGF stop sniffing glue…

FTFY…

;-P

143 CuriousLurker  Aug 16, 2014 3:17:14pm

re: #140 Backwoods_Sleuth

yep

[Embedded content]

Excellent. Sounds like they came up with a good plan to keep things under control.

144 Targetpractice  Aug 16, 2014 3:17:56pm

re: #137 blueraven

I think what has been so awful about the Michael Brown case is this:

The officer may very well have been justified. *Eyewitness reports aside for the moment.
The way this thing has been handled just reeks.
No official report of incident.
The piecemeal info.
The conflicting accounts by Ferguson police.
The timing of the release of the “robbery” video.
The heavy initial military show of force.

All of this spurs distrust of everything. It is FUBAR.

*If the eyewitness accounts are indeed accurate, there is no justification whatsoever.

The thing is, if the evidence fit the cop’s version of events, then why spend so much time and energy concealing said evidence? Why avoid interviewing witnesses, one of the most basic post-incident procedures? Why keep the autopsy under wraps if it fits a scenario where Brown was the aggressor and the cop left with no choice but to use lethal force?

Nothing in the way the Ferguson PD has conducted itself gives me the impression that they are interested in the facts of this case coming out.

145 wrenchwench  Aug 16, 2014 3:18:04pm

re: #134 JasonA

Looks like I picked the wrong week to come back to LGF…

As good a week as any, no?

Have you been gone long enough to need a re-hatching?

146 Stanley Sea  Aug 16, 2014 3:19:18pm
147 EPR-radar  Aug 16, 2014 3:19:43pm

re: #144 Targetpractice

The thing is, if the evidence fit the cop’s version of events, then why spend so much time and energy concealing said evidence? Why avoid interviewing witnesses, one of the most basic post-incident procedures? Why keep the autopsy under wraps if it fits a scenario where Brown was the aggressor and the cop left with no choice but to use lethal force?

Nothing in the way the Ferguson PD has conducted itself gives me the impression that they are interested in the facts of this case coming out.

Bingo. Ferguson PD has conducted itself as if: 1) The officer emptied a clip into the back of a fleeing person for no real reason and 2) this is department policy.

148 Mattand  Aug 16, 2014 3:20:15pm

re: #141 Stanley Sea

Oh fuck, KT just re-tweeted me.

Separation issues.

Post something positive about Rachel Maddow. Once he stops screaming and bleeding from the eyes, he’ll probably unfollow you.

149 TedStriker  Aug 16, 2014 3:20:58pm

re: #146 Stanley Sea

If it’s good enough for Antonio French and Cpt. Johnson, it’s good enough for me, though it should have never been necessary in the first place.

150 EPR-radar  Aug 16, 2014 3:21:58pm

re: #146 Stanley Sea

It would be interesting if this curfew was actually the result of conversations between state/local officials and community leaders as opposed to something handed down from on high with no community input.

151 Targetpractice  Aug 16, 2014 3:22:22pm

re: #141 Stanley Sea

Oh fuck, KT just re-tweeted me.

Separation issues.

Did he flounce and I missed it? Or just stop posting like an angry child?

152 PhillyPretzel  Aug 16, 2014 3:23:17pm

re: #151 Targetpractice

I have no idea.

153 Mattand  Aug 16, 2014 3:24:39pm

re: #151 Targetpractice

Did he flounce and I missed it? Or just stop posting like an angry child?

Well. to be fair, I don’t know if “angry child” fits. If you don’t like the way an online community is headed, just stop posting. That’s basically what he did.

154 blueraven  Aug 16, 2014 3:25:59pm

re: #144 Targetpractice

The thing is, if the evidence fit the cop’s version of events, then why spend so much time and energy concealing said evidence? Why avoid interviewing witnesses, one of the most basic post-incident procedures? Why keep the autopsy under wraps if it fits a scenario where Brown was the aggressor and the cop left with no choice but to use lethal force?

Nothing in the way the Ferguson PD has conducted itself gives me the impression that they are interested in the facts of this case coming out.

Hanlon’s razor
Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity

However, Heinlein’s Razor also applies
Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity, but don’t rule out malice

155 TedStriker  Aug 16, 2014 3:26:04pm

re: #151 Targetpractice

Did he flounce and I missed it? Or just stop posting like an angry child?

He apparently got pissy a while back when Charles and others started calling him out for his supportive remarks about that racist cockbag Anthony Cumia (formerly of The Opie & Anthony Show) and decided to just stop posting here, but he’s still posting stuff on Twitter.

156 Mattand  Aug 16, 2014 3:26:21pm

OTOH, if I was choosing an unrepentant racist shock jock as my Free Speech martyr, I’d probably slink quietly off into the sunset as well.

157 Stanley Sea  Aug 16, 2014 3:26:48pm

re: #151 Targetpractice

Did he flounce and I missed it? Or just stop posting like an angry child?

I believe the angry child scenario.

It came down to his tweeting support of Ant Cumia racist scum.

158 EPR-radar  Aug 16, 2014 3:27:15pm

re: #153 Mattand

Well. to be fair, I don’t know if “angry child” fits. If you don’t like the way an online community is headed, just stop posting. That’s basically what he did.

This summary is accurate because the extensive amount of passive-aggressive bullshit involved was of no real substance.

159 PhillyPretzel  Aug 16, 2014 3:28:37pm

re: #154 blueraven

I thought those sayings came from Napoleon.

160 OhNoZombies!  Aug 16, 2014 3:28:47pm

re: #156 Mattand

OTOH, if I was choosing an unrepentant racist shock jock as my Free Speech martyr, I’d probably slink quietly off into the sunset as well.

This.^^

161 JasonA  Aug 16, 2014 3:28:48pm

re: #145 wrenchwench

As good a week as any, no?

Have you been gone long enough to need a re-hatching?

Nah, think I just need to shed my skin and I’ll be good.

162 Stanley Sea  Aug 16, 2014 3:30:39pm

Gah optics. RR drops his glasses to appeal, Perry thinks they make him look smart.

RIP Ms. Bacall. I’ve read some juicy remembrances of the lady lately. She was a pistol.

163 CuriousLurker  Aug 16, 2014 3:31:09pm

re: #151 Targetpractice

A little bit of both? It was like a slow motion passive-aggressive flounce that took a couple of years to complete. Thankfully, he didn’t do the drama llama exit…

Drama Llama

164 Ryan King  Aug 16, 2014 3:35:26pm

re: #156 Mattand

OTOH, if I was choosing an unrepentant racist shock jock as my Free Speech martyr, I’d probably slink quietly off into the sunset as well.

Boom! That’ll leave a mark.

165 Stanley Sea  Aug 16, 2014 3:36:27pm

re: #163 CuriousLurker

A little bit of both? It was like a slow motion passive-aggressive flounce that took a couple of years to complete. Thankfully, he didn’t do the drama llama exit…

Drama Llama

Ya, but I now regret bringing him back to the thread.

Cease Lizards.

166 PhillyPretzel  Aug 16, 2014 3:36:49pm

re: #163 CuriousLurker

I like that … Drama Llama. Nice alliteration.

167 Charles Johnson  Aug 16, 2014 3:37:54pm
168 Charles Johnson  Aug 16, 2014 3:40:06pm

re: #133 CuriousLurker

What is it with the dead thread trolling? *smh*

It’s a weird phenomenon, all right. For some reason it’s very common for trolls to do the dead thread power drive; I’ve given up trying to figure out why.

169 Stanley Sea  Aug 16, 2014 3:40:45pm

OH= overheard? This guy is on the ground.

170 TedStriker  Aug 16, 2014 3:40:46pm

It only took Zelda Williams getting tweeted morbid, super creepy fake Photoshops of her dad Robin’s supposed suicide scene from a couple of assholes that ran her off of all social media for Twitter to do anything substantive about it:

Wired UK: Twitter tweaks policies to ‘better handle tragic situations’

If it were you or I this happened to, Twitter wouldn’t do jack shit.

171 TedStriker  Aug 16, 2014 3:45:27pm

re: #168 Charles Johnson

It’s a weird phenomenon, all right. For some reason it’s very common for trolls to do the dead thread power drive; I’ve given up trying to figure out why.

Because they think no one will notice, so they can slip in their brain droppings and have it not get challenged; then, it becomes part of the LGF record, on tap for the next smear campaign against Charles or other Lizards.

172 sattv4u2  Aug 16, 2014 3:46:28pm

re: #170 TedStriker

Sad how sick some people can be,, especially in this electronics day and age

173 PhillyPretzel  Aug 16, 2014 3:46:46pm

re: #171 TedStriker

They have to say, “I was here.”

174 TedStriker  Aug 16, 2014 3:49:25pm

re: #173 PhillyPretzel

They have to say, “I was here.”

Instead of “First post!”, they think they can settle on “Last post!”

175 CuriousLurker  Aug 16, 2014 3:49:27pm

re: #171 TedStriker

Because they think no one will notice, so they can slip in their brain droppings and have it not get challenged; then, it becomes part of the LGF record.

This. Everyone does it occasionally when they really want to respond to something, but when it’s a habit it makes them look weak. As you said, it’s like they’re trying to get their $0.02 in while avoiding being challenged.

176 sattv4u2  Aug 16, 2014 3:49:44pm

re: #173 PhillyPretzel

They have to say, “I was here.”

heh

I remember in grade school,,, we would watch a TV show called You Are There

imdb.com

177 CuriousLurker  Aug 16, 2014 3:50:51pm

Annnnd I’m out—got some coding to do anyway.

Later, lizards.

178 TedStriker  Aug 16, 2014 3:54:02pm

re: #175 CuriousLurker

This. Everyone does it occasionally when they really want to respond to something, but when it’s a habit it makes them look weak. As you said, it’s like they’re trying to get their $0.02 in while avoiding being challenged.

It’s the pathological need for some to always get in the last word.

179 TedStriker  Aug 16, 2014 3:54:30pm

re: #177 CuriousLurker

Annnnd I’m out—got some coding to do anyway.

Later, lizards.

Have fun with that…

///

180 Stanley Sea  Aug 16, 2014 3:54:56pm
181 EPR-radar  Aug 16, 2014 3:55:06pm

re: #168 Charles Johnson

It’s a weird phenomenon, all right. For some reason it’s very common for trolls to do the dead thread power drive; I’ve given up trying to figure out why.

Seems easy enough to explain:

Toddlers often think “getting the last word” = “winning”.

182 sattv4u2  Aug 16, 2014 3:55:34pm

re: #178 TedStriker

It’s the pathological need for some to always get in the last word.

No it’s not

(Bye!! No need to respond. I’ve already left!!)

//

183 blueraven  Aug 16, 2014 3:56:06pm

re: #174 TedStriker

Instead of “First post!”, they think they can settle on “Last post!”

Yes, extremely juvenile.
this particular poster never wants to be in the thick of the debate. He likes to come in late and pretend he “won”.

lol…in a pathetic kind of way.

184 TedStriker  Aug 16, 2014 3:58:39pm

re: #182 sattv4u2

No it’s not

(By!! No need to respond. I’ve already left!!)

//

You’re a funny guy…

Youtube Video

185 Stanley Sea  Aug 16, 2014 4:01:22pm

Maybe they do not understand the going upstairs point of the blog? And post their shit in the thread that it pertains to? I’m sure we get visitors who respond to a specific post.

I’m a fucking pacifist who sees the best in everyone, regardless of their stupid, uninformed statements.

186 Stanley Sea  Aug 16, 2014 4:02:06pm

re: #183 blueraven

Yes, extremely juvenile.
this particular poster never wants to be in the thick of the debate. He likes to come in late and pretend he “won”.

lol…in a pathetic kind of way.

Oh, it’s a known person? My previous comment does not apply then. Oops. Gotta put on my glasses.

187 wrenchwench  Aug 16, 2014 4:02:40pm
188 sattv4u2  Aug 16, 2014 4:03:22pm

re: #184 TedStriker

You’re a funny guy…

[Embedded content]

Video

Lessee

Italian,,, CHECK
Short,,,, ,,CHECK
Packing,,,, CHECK,,, umm,,, I plead the 5th

189 sattv4u2  Aug 16, 2014 4:06:37pm

re: #185 Stanley Sea

Maybe they do not understand the going upstairs point of the blog?

But that usually means a new topic

And post their shit in the thread that it pertains to?

yup,, my thought, even if it’s late(r). It’s still “the topic”

I’m a fucking pacifist who sees the best in everyone, regardless of their stupid, uninformed statements.

Okay,,, but did you have to be staring right at me when you wrote that !?!?!?
/

190 wrenchwench  Aug 16, 2014 4:08:24pm

When I saw this image on the overnight thread, I thought the hat on the right said ‘Brony’. I was cracking up.

191 sattv4u2  Aug 16, 2014 4:09:59pm

re: #190 wrenchwench

When I saw this image on the overnight thread, I thought the hat on the right said ‘Brony’. I was cracking up.

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Did you think the sweatshirt in the middle said MIKE!?!?!

//

192 wrenchwench  Aug 16, 2014 4:11:07pm

re: #191 sattv4u2

Did you think the sweatshirt in the middle said MIKE!?!?!

//

I was thinking ‘WIKE’.

/

193 blueraven  Aug 16, 2014 4:11:47pm

re: #186 Stanley Sea

Oh, it’s a known person? My previous comment does not apply then. Oops. Gotta put on my glasses.

I assume it is about this one

littlegreenfootballs.com

and subsequent comments on that thread.

194 Rightwingconspirator  Aug 16, 2014 4:13:29pm

re: #193 blueraven

That dude is a PITA.

195 TedStriker  Aug 16, 2014 4:14:20pm

re: #187 wrenchwench

If you’re going to call Wendy Davis ‘Abortion Barbie’ then you kinda have to call her opponent ‘Coat Hanger Ken.’
— John Fugelsang (@JohnFugelsang) August 16, 2014

Ouch…

196 TedStriker  Aug 16, 2014 4:15:39pm

re: #194 Rightwingconspirator

That dude is a PITA.

He’s a dick.

197 wrenchwench  Aug 16, 2014 4:16:22pm

re: #195 TedStriker

Ouch…

I don’t know why nobody, especially me, didn’t come up with that sooner.

198 sattv4u2  Aug 16, 2014 4:16:24pm

Really OUT this time

199 Stanley Sea  Aug 16, 2014 4:16:26pm

re: #193 blueraven

I assume it is about this one

littlegreenfootballs.com

and subsequent comments on that thread.

bleah

200 blueraven  Aug 16, 2014 4:18:41pm

re: #194 Rightwingconspirator

That dude is a PITA.

Every now and then he even has a valid point, or at least a debatable one, but his style is so freaking confrontational and condescending it never gets through.

201 Stanley Sea  Aug 16, 2014 4:19:39pm
202 Stanley Sea  Aug 16, 2014 4:28:00pm

A civil rights incident/killing has turned into a media money making enterprise. holy fuck.

203 psddluva4evah  Aug 16, 2014 4:29:22pm

I’ve been out all day and I missed both the press conference and all the info on twitter.

From what I’ve caught up on and what I’ve read, I’m just so pissed. I’ll take the advice of the people on the ground like Alderman French and just be okay, but still. From what I could tell, basically you have the white governor, and the white head of the Highway Patrol, who both couldn’t handle their own darn constituents with any sort of understanding or consideration, so they have to get the Black guy (the awesome Capt Johnson) to speak to those people with any sort of compassion or empathy for them..

So they got him to explain to “his people” so maybe they’d take it a little better coming from “one of their own”. Capt Johnson’s body language throughout the whole press conference was uncomfortable!

204 b.d.  Aug 16, 2014 4:32:53pm

re: #202 Stanley Sea

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A civil rights incident/killing has turned into a media money making enterprise. holy fuck.

I am shocked that Russia Today would be exploiting this tragedy to the max!

//

205 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 16, 2014 4:33:43pm

re: #200 blueraven

Every now and then he even has a valid point, or at least a debatable one, but his style is so freaking confrontational and condescending it never gets through.

He just LOVES to lecture we ignorant folks.

206 BishopX  Aug 16, 2014 4:33:51pm

re: #202 Stanley Sea

Cute way around the flight restriction…

207 wrenchwench  Aug 16, 2014 4:34:17pm
208 psddluva4evah  Aug 16, 2014 4:34:52pm

Also too, what’s the BS, I’m hearing of Officer Wilson’s “girlfriend” and this —>

209 psddluva4evah  Aug 16, 2014 4:35:12pm

Ugh…

210 ausador  Aug 16, 2014 4:35:38pm

re: #202 Stanley Sea

[Embedded content]

A civil rights incident/killing has turned into a media money making enterprise. holy fuck.

STL County Chief: The Russians are violating our no fly zone! Quick call in the F-16s!

211 ausador  Aug 16, 2014 4:36:54pm

re: #206 BishopX

Cute way around the flight restriction…

Seriously though, it is a civil aviation violation the FAA has said that drones may not be used for commercial purposes.

(at least until they get around to writing regulations to deal with their use)

212 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 16, 2014 4:37:15pm

re: #207 wrenchwench

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I’ll be watching for that Irish Beer tee later tonight.

213 b.d.  Aug 16, 2014 4:37:26pm

re: #210 ausador

STL County Chief: The Russians are violating our no fly zone! Quick call in the F-16s!

He’d probably be wanting Putin’s autograph

214 jamesfirecat  Aug 16, 2014 4:38:30pm

re: #168 Charles Johnson

It’s a weird phenomenon, all right. For some reason it’s very common for trolls to do the dead thread power drive; I’ve given up trying to figure out why.

Cue “last word” scene fro Dracula dead and loving it… (Too lazy to link)

215 Stanley Sea  Aug 16, 2014 4:39:12pm

re: #209 psddluva4evah

Ugh…

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I actually see that as good, hopeful. Wish it wasn’t needed. But in reality, it is.

216 blueraven  Aug 16, 2014 4:39:37pm

re: #209 psddluva4evah

Ugh…

Why Ugh? Seems like a caring motherly type woman to me.

217 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 16, 2014 4:39:51pm

re: #215 Stanley Sea

I actually see that as good, hopeful. Wish it wasn’t needed. But in reality, it is.

Yep, most potent weapon is the moms and grandmas.

218 Stanley Sea  Aug 16, 2014 4:40:44pm

Salute to the South tonight. Ima making grits. oh baby.

219 b.d.  Aug 16, 2014 4:40:45pm

Stay classy wingnuts!

220 blueraven  Aug 16, 2014 4:41:54pm

re: #218 Stanley Sea

Salute to the South tonight. Ima making grits. oh baby.

Yum, luv me some grits with shrimp for supper!

221 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 16, 2014 4:43:47pm

sigh…

222 Dave In Austin  Aug 16, 2014 4:45:35pm

Bro-in-Law who is a MO State Trooper headed to Ferguson. From mid-state. I hope there is safety for all but I fear the worst.

223 OhNoZombies!  Aug 16, 2014 4:47:17pm

re: #208 psddluva4evah

Also too, what’s the BS, I’m hearing of Officer Wilson’s “girlfriend” and this —>

[Embedded content]

Just more BS.
How about he turned around and said, “I’m not doin’ nothin’…”
I wasn’t there though. Then again, neither was she.

224 Stanley Sea  Aug 16, 2014 4:47:25pm

re: #222 Dave In Austin

Bro-in-Law who is a MO State Trooper headed to Ferguson. From mid-state. I hope there is safety for all but I fear the worst.

It was a couple of stores looted. And the cell phone store guy was ok. He was ok. Why the big freak out? why?

DAMN

225 Kragar  Aug 16, 2014 4:47:40pm
226 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 16, 2014 4:47:54pm

re: #222 Dave In Austin

Bro-in-Law who is a MO State Trooper headed to Ferguson. From mid-state. I hope there is safety for all but I fear the worst.

Maybe Capt. Johnson is pulling out the stops to show that his Highway Patrol is in charge.

227 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 16, 2014 4:50:35pm
228 Bubblehead II  Aug 16, 2014 4:51:22pm

Evening Lizards.

229 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 16, 2014 4:53:46pm

These two tweets just showed up back-to-back on my TL.
Trying not to over-analyze it as an omen.
:D

230 PhillyPretzel  Aug 16, 2014 4:54:56pm

OT Just posted Downton Abbey Season 5 information from PBS. littlegreenfootballs.com

231 BeachDem  Aug 16, 2014 4:55:35pm

re: #227 Backwoods_Sleuth

I am going to go with Antonio French’s wisdom about the curfew tonight. He has been there every day, doing everything right and good, and I’m sitting on my computer hundreds of miles away. I totally trust his judgment. (Not that he asked me, or needed my approval—I am just so very impressed with him on so many levels.)

And note the correct spelling on her sign!

232 Kragar  Aug 16, 2014 4:59:23pm

Getting spammed with this shit now, saying it “proves Brown charged the cops”

2 guys who didn’t actually see anything talking about what they think happened.

Yeah, rock solid facts there.

233 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 16, 2014 5:00:11pm

re: #231 BeachDem

And Mr. French is exhausted tonight.
He left at around 11:30 pm last night when he thought everything had finally calmed down with looting and SWAT teams earlier in the evening, only to get a frantic text that got him out of bed and he was up the rest the night.

234 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 16, 2014 5:01:41pm

Yes, he is tired…

235 BeachDem  Aug 16, 2014 5:02:43pm

re: #232 Kragar

Started to click it, but as soon as I saw the Breitbart graphic come up I bailed. I will take your word for it that it’s bogus.

236 Shvaughn  Aug 16, 2014 5:03:29pm

I am worried about the curfew idea but like everyone else I defer to the leaders on the ground.

237 Stanley Sea  Aug 16, 2014 5:04:25pm

Click thru his timeline

238 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 16, 2014 5:06:36pm

I’m going to go out on a limb here and predict that the current Ferguson city administration is gonna be stunned at the next local election results.

239 Shvaughn  Aug 16, 2014 5:07:56pm

@minossec is good people.

240 gwangung  Aug 16, 2014 5:08:05pm

re: #232 Kragar

Getting spammed with this shit now, saying it “proves Brown charged the cops”

[Embedded content]

2 guys who didn’t actually see anything talking about what they think happened.

Yeah, rock solid facts there.

So, where does “Don’t shoot” come into this?

The cops’ mouthpiece doesn’t make any sense…..

241 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 16, 2014 5:08:24pm

re: #238 Backwoods_Sleuth

I’m going to go out on a limb here and predict that the current Ferguson city administration is gonna be stunned at the next local election results.

242 Charles Johnson  Aug 16, 2014 5:08:28pm

lol christains

243 Gus  Aug 16, 2014 5:08:53pm

RWNJ logic: if you’re opposed to Gaza airstrikes — you hate Israel.

244 makeitstop  Aug 16, 2014 5:08:56pm

re: #176 sattv4u2

heh

I remember in grade school,,, we would watch a TV show called You Are There

imdb.com

The guy who syndicated that show is a client of mine.

245 Gus  Aug 16, 2014 5:09:27pm

RWNJ logic: if you don’t trust the Ferguson PD — you hate cops.

246 Gus  Aug 16, 2014 5:10:03pm

RWNJ logic: if you support the protesters in Ferguson and since the Nation of Islam is present* — you’re an antisemite!

247 jaunte  Aug 16, 2014 5:10:12pm

re: #232 Kragar

That TraceyMarie person you’re talking with on twitter has been denying there’s a racial component to the Mike Brown shooting.

248 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 16, 2014 5:10:22pm

re: #245 Gus

RWNJ logic: if you don’t trust the Ferguson PD — you hate cops.

RWNJ logic: If you point out the hypocrisy of some “Christians” you must be an atheist.

249 Kragar  Aug 16, 2014 5:11:23pm

re: #235 BeachDem

Started to click it, but as soon as I saw the Breitbart graphic come up I bailed. I will take your word for it that it’s bogus.

Its the same cell phone clip that was releases earlier, with enough spin on it to make a test pilot black out

250 jaunte  Aug 16, 2014 5:11:50pm
251 BeachDem  Aug 16, 2014 5:12:03pm

re: #248 Backwoods_Sleuth

RWNJ logic: If you point out the hypocrisy of some “Christians” you must be an atheist.

Not just an atheist, but a Christian-hating atheist.

252 Gus  Aug 16, 2014 5:12:38pm

re: #251 BeachDem

Not just an atheist, but a Christian-hating atheist.

Could it be… SATAN!

253 Gus  Aug 16, 2014 5:14:12pm

RWNJ logic: if you criticize some crazy wingnut veteran — you hate the military!

254 Kragar  Aug 16, 2014 5:15:00pm
255 becominginvisible  Aug 16, 2014 5:16:18pm

re: #238 Backwoods_Sleuth

I hope more citizens decide to run for the available offices as well as respond to voter registration.

256 Shvaughn  Aug 16, 2014 5:18:34pm
257 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 16, 2014 5:20:08pm

re: #255 becominginvisible

I hope more citizens decide to run for the available offices as well as respond to voter registration.

I do think that is going to happen.

258 Shvaughn  Aug 16, 2014 5:24:43pm
259 Bubblehead II  Aug 16, 2014 5:25:45pm
260 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 16, 2014 5:25:58pm
261 Stanley Sea  Aug 16, 2014 5:27:19pm
262 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 16, 2014 5:29:15pm

More about this encounter at tweeter’s TL:

263 wrenchwench  Aug 16, 2014 5:30:35pm

re: #215 Stanley Sea

I actually see that as good, hopeful. Wish it wasn’t needed. But in reality, it is.

The guy on the left is the one Rev. Johnson hugged. That woman’s arm was in the photos too.

264 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 16, 2014 5:30:58pm

Young dude angry. Older dude trying to calm him down: you know what martial law is? You ain’t got enough bullets for the SWAT. #ferguson

265 Stanley Sea  Aug 16, 2014 5:32:11pm

re: #263 wrenchwench

The guy on the left is the one Rev. Johnson hugged. That woman’s arm was in the photos too.

I thought so!

266 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 16, 2014 5:34:17pm
267 Kragar  Aug 16, 2014 5:34:39pm
268 psddluva4evah  Aug 16, 2014 5:40:24pm

re: #216 blueraven

Not “ugh” for picture, “ugh” for the whole situation.

269 Jenner7  Aug 16, 2014 5:47:48pm

re: #225 Kragar

Let’s say he did rush the officer. According to police, he was struck by bullets at 35 feet away. Witnesses say he then swung around and put his hands up. At that point, he was surrendering. Shooting him again and again was NOT necessary.

They can say all they want, what the officer did was negligent.

270 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 16, 2014 5:52:03pm
271 prairiefire  Aug 16, 2014 7:16:33pm

re: #217 Backwoods_Sleuth

Yep, most potent weapon is the moms and grandmas.

Trying to prevent Death.

272 BadExampleMan  Aug 17, 2014 12:21:01am

re: #168 Charles Johnson

…dead thread power drive…

Springsteen ref?


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