Eyewitness: “The Officer Kept Shooting, He Fell to His Knees, He Shot Him in the Head”

Another eyewitness to Michael Brown’s shooting gives a consistent account
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Today in the LA Times, a story about Michael Brown and the Ferguson community includes yet another account from an eyewitness corroborating the previous testimony — that Michael Brown was on his knees begging for his life when officer Darren Wilson shot him in the head.

A woman who lives in the complex and asked not to be identified for fear of being targeted by residents and police said she heard the commotion and ran to her balcony. She said Brown threw his hands up in the air, shouting, “Don’t shoot!”

“The officer kept shooting and he fell to his knees, begging for his life,” the woman said. “That’s when he finished him off, shot him in the head.”

The woman said she works in a warehouse and moved here in March with her 2-year-old daughter to escape the violence in inner-city St. Louis.

She knows hard-core criminals, and said that Brown wasn’t one. He was not a known drug dealer, not a gang-banger.

“His death just pushed a lot of people over the edge,” she said.

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274 comments
1 KiTA  Aug 17, 2014 10:47:35am

In the head? And the back?

Jesus christ, no wonder they’re not letting anyone see the body.

2 Charles Johnson  Aug 17, 2014 10:50:01am

And what’s more…

3 Ryan King  Aug 17, 2014 10:50:16am

There needs to a trial with a full accounting of what happened. I just can’t imagine how this shoot is justified.

4 Ryan King  Aug 17, 2014 10:52:24am

re: #2 Charles Johnson

Something went down between Brown and store clerk. And it’s now not clear if it really was a robbery. I thought Brown’s friend ‘admitted’ to the robbery (or theft) but maybe he only said they were there and Brown had the Cigarillos.

5 William Barnett-Lewis  Aug 17, 2014 10:53:43am

Someone tell me how this is different than a war criminal executing a POW?

6 Stanley Sea  Aug 17, 2014 10:54:52am

I hope she’s spoken to the FBI.

7 Charles Johnson  Aug 17, 2014 10:55:33am

re: #4 Ryan King

Something went down between Brown and store clerk. And it’s now not clear if it really was a robbery. I thought Brown’s friend ‘admitted’ to the robbery (or theft) but maybe he only said they were there and Brown had the Cigarillos.

Obviously something went down between them, but this new angle sure does cast doubt on the police claim, combined with the fact that they didn’t even file a report on the so-called robbery. Not to mention that they released the video that seemed to show a robbery, but not this one.

The police story is stinking more and more.

8 nines09  Aug 17, 2014 10:56:12am

re: #2 Charles Johnson

Just keeps getting worse. They released that video NOT showing this on purpose. No other reason. The lies are coming faster.

9 KiTA  Aug 17, 2014 10:56:19am

re: #2 Charles Johnson

Holy shit. That needs to be pushed out there. The police chief had to know. He intentionally cropped the video to knowingly push a false narrative.

Maybe post it as a front page post on it’s own? Someone should send it over to any media contacts they might have.

10 danarchy  Aug 17, 2014 10:58:21am

re: #7 Charles Johnson

Obviously something went down between them, but this new angle sure does cast doubt on the police claim, combined with the fact that they didn’t even file a report on the so-called robbery. Not to mention that they released the video that seemed to show a robbery, but not this one.

The police story is stinking more and more.

Maybe I am going crazy, but this is the same video I have been seeing on every news channel for the past 2 days, along with the other with the altercation at the door.

11 Decatur Deb  Aug 17, 2014 10:58:31am

re: #6 Stanley Sea

I hope she’s spoken to the FBI.

A lot of Fergusonites are going to need to be ex-Fergusonites when this settles out.

12 Rightwingconspirator  Aug 17, 2014 10:58:34am

re: #9 KiTA

Maybe as a front page post on it’s own?

FWIW seconded.

13 William Barnett-Lewis  Aug 17, 2014 10:58:52am

NPR Is reporting that the DOJ has ordered another autopsy. They apparently don’t like the one done by St. Louis authorities. Top update at:
npr.org

14 KiTA  Aug 17, 2014 11:01:09am
15 Aunty Entity Dragon  Aug 17, 2014 11:02:32am

OMG.

I knew that the video release was a retaliatory move by the Furgeson PD against the governor and justice dept…but withholding evidence that he paid for the merchandise??

The entire dept need to fucking go. Clean sweep and bring in new officers. This is a fucking disgrace.

16 CuriousLurker  Aug 17, 2014 11:05:00am

Have you guys seen this? I didn’t see it in the other thread:

17 Charles Johnson  Aug 17, 2014 11:06:27am

Wow, Gov. Nixon seriously calling out the Ferguson PD for releasing that video on MTP.

18 Ryan King  Aug 17, 2014 11:06:36am

re: #10 danarchy

Maybe I am going crazy, but this is the same video I have been seeing on every news channel for the past 2 days, along with the other with the altercation at the door.

I’ve only seen the video of Brown pushing the store clerk. This video is new to me, and apparently, previously unreleased. Which is outrageous. One outrage after another.

19 CuriousLurker  Aug 17, 2014 11:07:17am

re: #13 William Barnett-Lewis

NPR Is reporting that the DOJ has ordered another autopsy. They apparently don’t like the one done by St. Louis authorities. Top update at:
npr.org

Oops, missed yours.

20 Decatur Deb  Aug 17, 2014 11:07:47am

If the Guard has to go in, this is the guy we want in charge:

Youtube Video

21 Charles Johnson  Aug 17, 2014 11:08:24am

re: #10 danarchy

This part of the video was released after the original release, but this version is zoomed in on Brown hands to make it easier to see what looks like payment.

To be fair, though, it’s still not completely clear because the video is low resolution.

22 KiTA  Aug 17, 2014 11:08:26am

washington.cbslocal.com

WASHINGTON (AP) — For years, Washington has sent military equipment to U.S. police departments. But federal officials are now reconsidering the idea in light of the violence in Ferguson, Missouri.

Thank fucking god.

23 CuriousLurker  Aug 17, 2014 11:08:35am

re: #15 Aunty Entity Dragon

OMG.

I knew that the video release was a retaliatory move by the Furgeson PD against the governor and justice dept…but withholding evidence that he paid for the merchandise??

The entire dept need to fucking go. Clean sweep and bring in new officers. This is a fucking disgrace.

The state police and/or the feds need to take this over. It’s bullshit.

24 KerFuFFler  Aug 17, 2014 11:08:51am

The video does not make it clear to me that he paid for anything. He clearly interacted and received something from the clerk but that may have been the merchandise, not change. Merchants will usually hand you merchandise before expecting payment. The fact that the shopkeeper ran to the door and tried to keep him from leaving suggests a theft. And Brown did shove the guy and intimidate him with his size.

That said, the video of him shoving the clerk need not have been shown at all as the DoJ recommended because it really has no bearing on the subsequent events. Even if Brown took the rellos, he did not deserve to be shot.

25 danarchy  Aug 17, 2014 11:08:52am

re: #18 Ryan King

I’ve only seen the video of Brown pushing the store clerk. This video is new to me, and apparently, previously unreleased. Which is outrageous. One outrage after another.

I swear to god I’ve been seeing that exact video for a couple days.

26 Charles Johnson  Aug 17, 2014 11:09:16am

re: #18 Ryan King

I’ve only seen the video of Brown pushing the store clerk. This video is new to me, and apparently, previously unreleased. Which is outrageous. One outrage after another.

Actually, I just checked and I do see copies of this part of the video on YouTube, from network broadcasts. Just not zoomed in like this one is.

27 allegro  Aug 17, 2014 11:10:16am

re: #4 Ryan King

Something went down between Brown and store clerk. And it’s now not clear if it really was a robbery. I thought Brown’s friend ‘admitted’ to the robbery (or theft) but maybe he only said they were there and Brown had the Cigarillos.

I also saw that the store clerk didn’t report a theft to the police. Another customer in the store did.

28 Charles Johnson  Aug 17, 2014 11:10:38am

However, I still maintain that this video is actually completely irrelevant whether he paid or not. It had nothing to do with why Brown was stopped and police have admitted that.

29 Targetpractice  Aug 17, 2014 11:10:43am

re: #7 Charles Johnson

Obviously something went down between them, but this new angle sure does cast doubt on the police claim, combined with the fact that they didn’t even file a report on the so-called robbery. Not to mention that they released the video that seemed to show a robbery, but not this one.

The police story is stinking more and more.

Not to mention the store clerk who supposedly was robbed didn’t call it in, a customer did. And the FPD had to secure a warrant to get a hold of the footage. Guess we know why the supposed incident report was so heavily redacted, because no doubt somewhere in the portion is a recall of what the shove was actually over.

“Strong-arm robbery,” my ass.

30 Dave In Austin  Aug 17, 2014 11:12:11am
31 Rightwingconspirator  Aug 17, 2014 11:12:19am

So if the goods were paid for, what was reported to police as a robbery? Is there a police dispatch report from the store at all?

32 BeachDem  Aug 17, 2014 11:12:22am

re: #27 allegro

I also saw that the store clerk didn’t report a theft to the police. Another customer in the store did.

And that the store didn’t want to pursue it and only turned over the tape when the Ferguson PD demanded it (supposedly on Friday morning.)

33 Rightwingconspirator  Aug 17, 2014 11:12:59am

re: #22 KiTA

washington.cbslocal.com

Thank fucking god.

Just in time. They are retiring a bunch of A-10 ground attack craft next year.
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34 Stanley Sea  Aug 17, 2014 11:13:09am

re: #31 Rightwingconspirator

So if the goods were paid for, what was reported to police as a robbery? Is there a police dispatch report from the store at all?

They’ve released nothing.

35 danarchy  Aug 17, 2014 11:13:15am

CNN is about to interview the store owners attorney to get his side of the story.

36 Decatur Deb  Aug 17, 2014 11:13:48am

re: #33 Rightwingconspirator

Just in time. They are retiring a bunch of A-10 ground attack craft next year.
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Ever wonder where those Pershing IIs went?

37 Ryan King  Aug 17, 2014 11:14:15am

re: #26 Charles Johnson

Actually, I just checked and I do see copies of this part of the video on YouTube, from network broadcasts. Just not zoomed in like this one is.

I guess it would be more correct to say this video, or part of it, has not been promoted or shown to the same degree as the pushing altercation scene on the different CCTV camera. Obviously, media types driving narratives are seriously guilty of this.

If Ferguson released all video files acquired from the DVR at the same time then they can’t really be called out for withholding it. But the trust is so damaged the perception will happen no matter what.

If they did withhold this video file but released the other first, while it may or may not be unlawful, is totally scandalous.

38 Charles Johnson  Aug 17, 2014 11:16:00am

re: #29 Targetpractice

That’s correct, the store owner did not file a robbery report.

39 Rightwingconspirator  Aug 17, 2014 11:16:08am

re: #28 Charles Johnson

However, I still maintain that this video is actually completely irrelevant whether he paid or not. It had nothing to do with why Brown was stopped and police have admitted that.

If he paid, it completely debunks the idea Brown was aggressive with the cop out of fear of arrest for shoplifting. Worth noting anyway, IMO.

40 Rightwingconspirator  Aug 17, 2014 11:17:09am

re: #29 Targetpractice

Not to mention the store clerk who supposedly was robbed didn’t call it in, a customer did. And the FPD had to secure a warrant to get a hold of the footage. Guess we know why the supposed incident report was so heavily redacted, because no doubt somewhere in the portion is a recall of what the shove was actually over.

“Strong-arm robbery,” my ass.

That was a different video file, from a different camera. So one camera video file gets released but not the other…

41 jaunte  Aug 17, 2014 11:19:18am

re: #35 danarchy

CNN is about to interview the store owners attorney to get his side of the story.

So the segment begins with ROBBERY supered below the newsreader, and she referred to ‘stolen cigars’ before the store owner’s lawyer admitted he hasn’t even talked with the store clerk.

42 Shvaughn  Aug 17, 2014 11:19:22am
43 Charles Johnson  Aug 17, 2014 11:19:40am

On CNN, the store owner’s attorney is now confirming that Brown grabbed the cigars without paying.

44 allegro  Aug 17, 2014 11:20:07am

re: #29 Targetpractice

Not to mention the store clerk who supposedly was robbed didn’t call it in, a customer did. And the FPD had to secure a warrant to get a hold of the footage. Guess we know why the supposed incident report was so heavily redacted, because no doubt somewhere in the portion is a recall of what the shove was actually over.

“Strong-arm robbery,” my ass.

For all we know at this point is that the altercation could have been the clerk questioning the kid’s age and whether he was old enough to purchase tobacco.

45 Decatur Deb  Aug 17, 2014 11:20:53am

re: #42 Shvaughn

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46 KiTA  Aug 17, 2014 11:21:03am

re: #43 Charles Johnson

On CNN, the store owner’s attorney is now confirming that Brown grabbed the cigars without paying.

Then what did he pay for? I’m confused.

47 Charles Johnson  Aug 17, 2014 11:21:48am

Store owner’s attorney confirms that the store owners did not call police.

48 b_sharp  Aug 17, 2014 11:22:20am

re: #28 Charles Johnson

However, I still maintain that this video is actually completely irrelevant whether he paid or not. It had nothing to do with why Brown was stopped and police have admitted that.

The only crime that warrants being shot multiple time is actively threatening the life of the police officer or other citizens.

49 Charles Johnson  Aug 17, 2014 11:22:56am

So they were not going to pursue this as a robbery. They only heard about it when police contacted them with a search warrant for the surveillance video.

50 sagehen  Aug 17, 2014 11:23:29am

re: #44 allegro

For all we know at this point is that the altercation could have been the clerk questioning the kid’s age and whether he was old enough to purchase tobacco.

Or threatening to tell his mother (hey, small towns are like that).

51 jaunte  Aug 17, 2014 11:23:31am

Red herring, paid in full.

52 KerFuFFler  Aug 17, 2014 11:24:19am

re: #46 KiTA

Then what did he pay for? I’m confused.

Where do you see him paying for anything? Just because he was at the register does not mean he paid. Tobacco products are usually dispensed at the register. It looks like he was handed stuff which he handed to his friend and then later it looks like he reaches over and grabs more stuff.

Again, I don’t really think this minor crime was any justification for what happened later.

53 b_sharp  Aug 17, 2014 11:24:43am

re: #49 Charles Johnson

So they were not going to pursue this as a robbery. They only heard about it when police contacted them with a search warrant for the surveillance video.

This is a blatant attempt to influence the media, the US population and likely any possible jury.

54 Aunty Entity Dragon  Aug 17, 2014 11:25:40am

re: #33 Rightwingconspirator

Just in time. They are retiring a bunch of A-10 ground attack craft next year.
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Former NYPD chief Bernard Kerrick wa son CNN earlier. No doubt he would find some reason to justify having a couple.

55 Charles Johnson  Aug 17, 2014 11:26:23am

Well, that clarified things. There was an incident at the store, and Brown did not pay for the cigars, although calling it a “robbery” is rather questionable since the store owners didn’t even report it and had no intention of reporting it.

56 Decatur Deb  Aug 17, 2014 11:27:52am

re: #42 Shvaughn

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57 CuriousLurker  Aug 17, 2014 11:28:07am

The technical term for what just happened at that everything related to the shooting of Michael Brown in Ferguson press conference is “clusterfuck.” lgf.bz

FTFY

58 Shvaughn  Aug 17, 2014 11:28:32am
59 Stanley Sea  Aug 17, 2014 11:29:27am
60 jaunte  Aug 17, 2014 11:29:48am
61 WhatEVs  Aug 17, 2014 11:30:20am

re: #24 KerFuFFler

The video does not make it clear to me that he paid for anything. He clearly interacted and received something from the clerk but that may have been the merchandise, not change. Merchants will usually hand you merchandise before expecting payment. The fact that the shopkeeper ran to the door and tried to keep him from leaving suggests a theft. And Brown did shove the guy and intimidate him with his size.

That said, the video of him shoving the clerk need not have been shown at all as the DoJ recommended because it really has no bearing on the subsequent events. Even if Brown took the rellos, he did not deserve to be shot.

I don’t see it either way, myself. And we don’t know what was said between Brown and the owner that drove the conflict. It doesn’t look like theft, but it’s hard to interpret.

The cops adding the narrative of Theft make people see theft.

62 BeachDem  Aug 17, 2014 11:30:25am

re: #41 jaunte

So the segment begins with ROBBERY supered below the newsreader, and she referred to ‘stolen cigars’ before the store owner’s lawyer admitted he hasn’t even talked with the store clerk.

Just the journalistic excellence we’ve come to expect from CNN (no sarc)

63 Aunty Entity Dragon  Aug 17, 2014 11:30:28am

re: #55 Charles Johnson

Well, that clarified things. There was an incident at the store, and Brown did not pay for the cigars, although calling it a “robbery” is rather questionable since the store owners didn’t even report it and had no intention of reporting it.

Doesn’t matter.

The jury pool has a huge pile of shit floating around now that was put there deliberately to screw up the legal process.

FWIW, I have had payment discrepencies more than once when I thought I had paid for all the merchandise and it turned out I had not. Did he deliberately shoplift or was there a mistake?

64 Decatur Deb  Aug 17, 2014 11:30:49am

re: #57 CuriousLurker

The technical term for what just happened at that everything related to the shooting of Michael Brown in Ferguson press conference is “clusterfuck.”

FTFY

It’s characteristic of this exercise that It’s been called exactly that on Freep, with near-majority agreement.

65 Unabogie  Aug 17, 2014 11:31:31am

re: #55 Charles Johnson

Well, that clarified things. There was an incident at the store, and Brown did not pay for the cigars, although calling it a “robbery” is rather questionable since the store owners didn’t even report it and had no intention of reporting it.

I’ve read that it’s technically a “strongarm robbery” in that once he pushed the clerk, it became one. However, this is a ridiculous way to describe someone who grabs a box of cigarettes in a store. “Thief”? Sure. “Shoplifter”? Yep. But it was so minor that the store owner never even considered filing a complaint against him. And more importantly, the policeman who shot Brown would not have known about this, and even if Jackson changes his story to make it sound like he did, we already heard his first two or three versions of the story.

This witness in the OP is devastating. That’s at least what, three witnesses who saw it all the same way? Are there any at all who back up Wilson’s version?

66 Danny  Aug 17, 2014 11:31:33am

re: #49 Charles Johnson

I can’t recall which press conference it was but jackson(?) said another officer responded to the robbery call, reviewed the security tape in the store and called in description. Tapes were later taken as part of the shooting investigation. I read also (not sure it it’s true) that DOJ had copies of the videos since Wednesday.

67 Ryan King  Aug 17, 2014 11:31:56am

re: #55 Charles Johnson

Well, that clarified things. There was an incident at the store, and Brown did not pay for the cigars, although calling it a “robbery” is rather questionable since the store owners didn’t even report it and had no intention of reporting it.

I think there’s something that was going on with Brown and the store clerk. It’s a local convenience store in a neighborhood, they likely know each other. Not making excuses for Brown, and there may well be a crime committed, but this doesn’t seem like a strong armed robbery.

68 Stanley Sea  Aug 17, 2014 11:32:38am

re: #65 Unabogie

I’ve read that it’s technically a “strongarm robbery” in that once he pushed the clerk, it became one. However, this is a ridiculous way to describe someone who grabs a box of cigarettes in a store. “Thief”? Sure. “Shoplifter”? Yep. But it was so minor that the store owner never even considered filing a complaint against him. And more importantly, the policeman who shot Brown would not have know about this, and even if Jackson changes his story to make it sound like he did, we already heard his first two or three versions of the story.

This witness in the OP is devastating. That’s at least what, three witnesses who saw it all the same way? Are there any at all who back up Wilson’s version?

Thing is, we don’t have Wilson’s version. Just a friend of a friend who called in Dana Loesch’s bullshit show.

69 Rightwingconspirator  Aug 17, 2014 11:32:41am

re: #55 Charles Johnson

Could be as simple as a bill too large, lack of change or coming up short then “I’ll pay you tomorrow” and a clerk saying no. Now security cams are not allowed audio so hearing more detail from the clerk would be nice. And we still have no reason to expect Brown to be all aggressive with the police over this incident.

70 Shvaughn  Aug 17, 2014 11:32:56am
71 jaunte  Aug 17, 2014 11:33:24am

I suppose the store clerk is also now in hiding.

72 psddluva4evah  Aug 17, 2014 11:34:01am

re: #55 Charles Johnson

my thoughts, is a kinda chicken before egg scenario.

Altercation at store, Mike Brown leaves. customer calls pd. Officer Wilson stops MIke Brown, shoots Mike Brown before full knowldege about robbery suspicion. 4 hours during which MIke Browns’ body on ground enough time for Officer Wison to become aware of Mike Brown’s suspicion in robbery. Time enough to make case for “justified” but then thanks to #Black Twitter and community outcry, the shooting and death goes viral on social media soon picked up by media, then all these spreads like wildfire..

73 blueraven  Aug 17, 2014 11:34:03am

Oh brother. So Tom’s take is, you are acting like children so STFU?

74 Charles Johnson  Aug 17, 2014 11:34:18am

re: #63 Aunty Entity Dragon

Doesn’t matter.

The jury pool has a huge pile of shit floating around now that was put there deliberately to screw up the legal process.

FWIW, I have had payment discrepencies more than once when I thought I had paid for all the merchandise and it turned out I had not. Did he deliberately shoplift or was there a mistake?

The store’s attorney said he did attempt to steal cigars.

75 CuriousLurker  Aug 17, 2014 11:34:32am

Interesting diary over at DKos:

Why Black Men Don’t Open Carry

Not everything that happens in the world is Racial. It really isn’t. Some things happen just because - well they did and they do. However there are times you really have to question things, you really have to wonder - what the Holy Hand-Grenade is going on here?

Particularly when you have a case when one kid with an actual loaded shotgun stands down with police and refuses to give them his ID basically gets a citation when that kid happens to look like this…

dailykos.com

76 CuriousLurker  Aug 17, 2014 11:36:19am

re: #73 blueraven

Oh brother. So Tom’s take is, you are acting like children so STFU?

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He’s an asshole. I followed him for about 5 minutes a while back, then quit.

77 Danny  Aug 17, 2014 11:36:40am

re: #34 Stanley Sea

They’ve released nothing.

The robbery dispatch log was released.

78 WhatEVs  Aug 17, 2014 11:38:10am

re: #49 Charles Johnson

So they were not going to pursue this as a robbery. They only heard about it when police contacted them with a search warrant for the surveillance video.

So where did this oft-referred to timeline come from (from robbery to death)?

79 Aunty Entity Dragon  Aug 17, 2014 11:38:54am

re: #65 Unabogie

I’ve read that it’s technically a “strongarm robbery” in that once he pushed the clerk, it became one. However, this is a ridiculous way to describe someone who grabs a box of cigarettes in a store. “Thief”? Sure. “Shoplifter”? Yep. But it was so minor that the store owner never even considered filing a complaint against him. And more importantly, the policeman who shot Brown would not have know about this, and even if Jackson changes his story to make it sound like he did, we already heard his first two or three versions of the story.

This witness in the OP is devastating. That’s at least what, three witnesses who saw it all the same way? Are there any at all who back up Wilson’s version?

I am betting that the police report we get may be somewhat…ahem…after the fact to magically include knowing about the “robbery” and state that the officer was pursuing a dangerous public menace from the get-go.

That is the advantage of waiting a week to make up your report which you can then back date to whenever you want. So much more tidy.

80 Eventual Carrion  Aug 17, 2014 11:40:49am

re: #30 Dave In Austin

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81 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 17, 2014 11:41:42am

re: #69 Rightwingconspirator

Could be as simple as a bill too large, lack of change or coming up short then “I’ll pay you tomorrow” and a clerk saying no. Now security cams are not allowed audio so hearing more detail from the clerk would be nice. And we still have no reason to expect Brown to be all aggressive with the police over this incident.

Or even more simple as the clerk asking for ID to show proof of age.

82 Unabogie  Aug 17, 2014 11:45:37am

re: #79 Aunty Entity Dragon

Well, the Ferguson PD has certainly earned our trust this week, so I’m not sure why we shouldn’t accept their word on things.

;-)

83 jaunte  Aug 17, 2014 11:46:10am
84 allegro  Aug 17, 2014 11:47:22am

re: #81 Backwoods_Sleuth

Or even more simple as the clerk asking for ID to show proof of age.

So the clerk tells Brown he can’t buy the rellos cuz he’s underage and the kid is all FU and just takes them. That sounds like a normal teenager.

85 Aunty Entity Dragon  Aug 17, 2014 11:48:48am

The usual suspects at Policeone are going nuts over comments by Eric Holder expressing concern over giving military equpment to LE.

policeone.com

Bonus points for calling Holder a “thug” (Ni*clang*) and usual complaints about the liberal media that hates all those maligned cops.

86 KerFuFFler  Aug 17, 2014 11:50:22am

re: #65 Unabogie

This witness in the OP is devastating. That’s at least what, three witnesses who saw it all the same way?

I suspect that the police did not look for witness statements right away as a way of making it easier to discredit them later. As all these accounts trickle forth over time it will be easy for the shooter’s lawyer to argue that some of the witnesses are repeating other accounts that they have heard. I just hope the FBI will prosecute the sons o’ bitches for obstruction of justice. Deliberately delaying getting the witness statements so as to make them easy to dismiss or disbelieve in court sure seems like obstruction to me. If all those statements had been collected right away they would make a much stronger case. The delay will provide cover for jurors to be able to say they have a smidgen of doubt.

87 BeachDem  Aug 17, 2014 11:51:24am

re: #78 Joanne

So where did this oft-referred to timeline come from (from robbery to death)?

Here’s what Jackson said at his morning press conference :

From 11:48 to noon, the officer involved in the shooting was on a sick call on Glenark [Drive], there was an ambulance present. At 11:51 there was a 911 call from a convenience store nearby. At 11:52, dispatch gave a description of a robbery suspect over the radio. A different officer arrived at the store where the strong-arm robbery occurred. A further description was given over the radio that stated the suspect was walking toward QuikTrip. The officer left the sick call. He encountered the- At 12:01, our officer encountered Michael Brown on Canfield Drive. At 12:04 a second officer arrived on the scene immediately following the shooting. At 12:05 a supervisor was dispatched to the scene and subsequent officers arrived. There have been some questions about the calling of an ambulance. The ambulance that was at the sick case at Glenark was coming by immediately following the shooting and they did respond to assess Michael Brown.

88 Kid A  Aug 17, 2014 11:57:01am
89 Ryan King  Aug 17, 2014 11:58:09am
90 BeachDem  Aug 17, 2014 11:59:19am

re: #88 Kid A

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91 Ryan King  Aug 17, 2014 11:59:25am

re: #88 Kid A

He’s a vile little troll. Possibly a soon to be jailed vile little troll.

92 De Kolta Chair  Aug 17, 2014 11:59:48am

re: #59 Stanley Sea

Matt Pearce @mattdpearce

Is this this the first time anyone has ever written the words “activist medical examiner”??

I vaguely recall a BBC detective show in the 90’s that had a similar lead character.

93 Decatur Deb  Aug 17, 2014 12:00:49pm

re: #73 blueraven

Oh brother. So Tom’s take is, you are acting like children so STFU?

Few slogans are less likely to produce justice or peace than “No justice, no peace.”

Would he be happier with the classic “Off the Pigs”?

94 gwangung  Aug 17, 2014 12:00:50pm

re: #92 De Kolta Chair

I vaguely recall a BBC detective show in the 90’s that had a similar lead character.

Um, QUINCY, MD?

(who was SUPPOSED to be Japanese American, you know….)

95 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 17, 2014 12:00:59pm

re: #88 Kid A

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Chuckles is obviously unaware of something known as “Summer Semester/Quarter”, which is a “real” academic session because college/university is year-round.

96 blueraven  Aug 17, 2014 12:01:03pm

re: #87 BeachDem

Here’s what Jackson said at his morning press conference :

From 11:48 to noon, the officer involved in the shooting was on a sick call on Glenark [Drive], there was an ambulance present. At 11:51 there was a 911 call from a convenience store nearby. At 11:52, dispatch gave a description of a robbery suspect over the radio. A different officer arrived at the store where the strong-arm robbery occurred. A further description was given over the radio that stated the suspect was walking toward QuikTrip. The officer left the sick call. He encountered the- At 12:01, our officer encountered Michael Brown on Canfield Drive. At 12:04 a second officer arrived on the scene immediately following the shooting. At 12:05 a supervisor was dispatched to the scene and subsequent officers arrived. There have been some questions about the calling of an ambulance. The ambulance that was at the sick case at Glenark was coming by immediately following the shooting and they did respond to assess Michael Brown.

If that is true and the ambulance was there immediately following…why did all the witnesses say there was no assistance for Michael Brown? Did the EM team pronounce him dead at the scene? Why was the body allowed to remain in the middle of the street, uncovered, for several hours?

These questions need to be answered.

97 Charles Johnson  Aug 17, 2014 12:01:34pm
98 BeachDem  Aug 17, 2014 12:02:31pm

re: #95 Backwoods_Sleuth

Chuckles is obviously unaware of something known as “Summer Semester”, which is a “real” academic semester because college/university is year-round.

Because he was busy earning journalism awards at that point in his college career and because shut up.

99 Kid A  Aug 17, 2014 12:02:45pm
100 Eventual Carrion  Aug 17, 2014 12:03:50pm

re: #94 gwangung

Um, QUINCY, MD?

(who was SUPPOSED to be Japanese American, you know….)

I don’t think Jack Klugman would have been convincing playing an Asian.

//

101 De Kolta Chair  Aug 17, 2014 12:04:18pm

re: #94 gwangung

Um, QUINCY, MD?

(who was SUPPOSED to be Japanese American, you know….)

I was thinking of the BBC crime drama “Silent Witness,” which might still be on.

Oops. you weren’t replying to me were you? And why weren’t you??? ;-(
//

102 Jenner7  Aug 17, 2014 12:05:29pm

So, he paid for other things, just not cigarillos. Owner didn’t report it and didn’t know it was reported until police had warrant for surveillance tapes.

Police had plan all along. Of course, Officer Wilson had no idea of “robbery” because the chief admitted so (of course, he later contradicted that). So, they look into this kids past and bingo!

This kid was going to go to college. Damn.

103 Eventual Carrion  Aug 17, 2014 12:05:33pm

re: #99 Kid A

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Really, let’s get back to Repeal Obamacare!

104 gwangung  Aug 17, 2014 12:06:05pm

re: #101 De Kolta Chair

I was thinking of the BBC crime drama “Silent Witness,” which might still be on.

Hm…would RIZZOLI AND ISLES fit, too?

105 BeachDem  Aug 17, 2014 12:06:13pm

re: #96 blueraven

If that is true and the ambulance was there immediately following…why did all the witnesses say there was no assistance for Michael Brown? Did the EM team pronounce him dead at the scene? Why was the body allowed to remain in the middle of the street, uncovered, for several hours?

These questions need to be answered.

Here’s how I transferred Jackson’s comments into a timeline, with ? for events where he didn’t mention times. As to the ambulance, he never mentioned a time, or what anyone actually did, just said it arrived to “assess”. Somebody yesterday added in two other times/events, but I did this just from what he said in the above quote.

11:48 Officer Wilson at sick call on Glenark
11:51 911 Call from a convenience store (Ferguson Market & Liquor, W. Florrisant)
11:52 Description of robbery suspect dispatched
? A different officer arrives at store
? Further description dispatched—says suspect walking toward Quik Trip
12:00 Officer Wilson leaves Glenark
12:01 Officer Wilson encounters Michael Brown on Canfield Dr.
12:04 Second officer arrives on scene
12:05 Supervisor dispatched to scene and other officers arrive
? Ambulance from Glenark call arrives at scene to “assess” Michael Brown

106 Charles Johnson  Aug 17, 2014 12:12:39pm
107 De Kolta Chair  Aug 17, 2014 12:12:40pm

re: #99 Kid A

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CC Johnson is a multiple Darwin Award winner, no doubt about it.

108 Kilroy01  Aug 17, 2014 12:12:58pm

So I’m hearing the the store owner didn’t call the police and didn’t even file a report on the so-called robbery.

So how does this happen to get in the recorders?

11:51 911 Call from a convenience store (Ferguson Market & Liquor, W. Florrisant)
11:52 Description of robbery suspect dispatched

109 Romantic Heretic  Aug 17, 2014 12:15:02pm

re: #2 Charles Johnson

Sigh. My ability to be surprised at the poor ethical quality of human beings is pretty much zero at this point.

110 Danny  Aug 17, 2014 12:15:24pm

re: #108 Kilroy01

So I’m hearing the the store owner didn’t call the police and didn’t even file a report on the so-called robbery.

So how does this happen to get in the recorders?

11:51 911 Call from a convenience store (Ferguson Market & Liquor, W. Florrisant)
11:52 Description of robbery suspect dispatched

A customer (woman with small child seen in surveillance video) called in the store incident.

111 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 17, 2014 12:16:46pm

re: #105 BeachDem

I have a PDF copy of the report, found here, saved to my hard drive. It includes the event log in the last few pages.

112 Ryan King  Aug 17, 2014 12:16:57pm

re: #106 Charles Johnson

Looks like they maybe bought some stuff and the store clerk was distracted so Brown snatched the Rillos and give him to his buddy. Store clerk caught it and confronted Brown. Brown goes to leave, clerk follows, Brown pushes him back and squares up to scare him off.

This would explain Brown appearing to pay for something: he did, just not the Rillos.

This means a theft. But it’s irrelevant to his murder.

113 1Peter G1  Aug 17, 2014 12:16:57pm

And if the autopsy shows he wasn’t shot in the head at all? I think I might wait until those results are available.

114 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 17, 2014 12:18:02pm

re: #108 Kilroy01

So I’m hearing the the store owner didn’t call the police and didn’t even file a report on the so-called robbery.

So how does this happen to get in the recorders?

11:51 911 Call from a convenience store (Ferguson Market & Liquor, W. Florrisant)
11:52 Description of robbery suspect dispatched

FTL cruisers and police.

115 Rightwingconspirator  Aug 17, 2014 12:18:26pm

re: #113 1Peter G1

And if the autopsy shows he wasn’t shot in the head at all? I think I might wait until those results are available.

How much information are we expected to ignore until then?

116 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 17, 2014 12:18:45pm

re: #113 1Peter G1

And if the autopsy shows he wasn’t shot in the head at all? I think I might wait until those results are available.

What would “shot in the head” prove?

117 Teukka  Aug 17, 2014 12:19:21pm

I’m bracing for the stink which will be raised if it turns out Brown wasn’t instantly killed but remained alive, considering how there are witness reports police officers prevented an off-duty paramedic from helping him or even check his vital signs.

118 Shvaughn  Aug 17, 2014 12:19:23pm

If the cops could discredit the witnesses that easily do you think they wouldn’t have by now?

119 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 17, 2014 12:20:21pm

re: #117 Teukka

I’m bracing for the stink which will be raised if it turns out Brown wasn’t instantly killed but remained alive, considering how there are witness reports police officers prevented an off-duty paramedic from helping him or even check his vital signs.

Or even letting the nurse near MB to attempt CPR before an ambulance ever showed up.

120 ausador  Aug 17, 2014 12:21:04pm
121 Shvaughn  Aug 17, 2014 12:21:33pm

Chips? Lol I mean cops.

122 Kragar  Aug 17, 2014 12:22:52pm

So now the DOJ isn’t supposed to investigate suspicious police shootings?

123 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 17, 2014 12:23:21pm

re: #121 Shvaughn

Chips? Lol I mean cops.

Knew what you meant. ;)

124 Teukka  Aug 17, 2014 12:23:23pm

re: #119 Backwoods_Sleuth

Or even letting the nurse near MB to attempt CPR before an ambulance ever showed up.

That’s what I’m referring to, I wasn’t sure if the lady was an RN or paramedic.
It would also explain why we at this point are on the 3rd autopsy of MB.
Because if it turns out this was a so-called “bad shooting” compounded by the victim of it left to die, denied care…
Whoah… I don’t even want to think of the outrage…

125 jaunte  Aug 17, 2014 12:24:13pm

re: #122 Kragar

Bryan Fischer’s iron-clad “as if” speculations.

126 jaunte  Aug 17, 2014 12:25:21pm

Defensive wounds in hands “as if” victim was trying to grab officer’s gun.

127 William Barnett-Lewis  Aug 17, 2014 12:25:55pm

re: #122 Kragar

So now the DOJ isn’t supposed to investigate suspicious police shootings?

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Hey Brian? Have you ever heard the Good News? Let me tell you all about Christ Jesus, because it’s obvious from your tweets that you need to meet Him…

128 Ryan King  Aug 17, 2014 12:26:11pm

Oh Killgore… LOL.

129 BeachDem  Aug 17, 2014 12:26:19pm

re: #111 Backwoods_Sleuth

I have a PDF copy of the report, found here, saved to my hard drive. It includes the event log in the last few pages.

Thanks—I was just going with what he said in his presser—doubt most will delve into the actual reports (including most of the lazy-ass media.)

130 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 17, 2014 12:26:47pm

re: #127 William Barnett-Lewis

Hey Brian? Have you ever heard the Good News? Let me tell you all about Christ Jesus, because it’s obvious from your tweets that you need to meet Him…

I say we just send in the bears…

131 Aunty Entity Dragon  Aug 17, 2014 12:27:37pm

re: #125 jaunte

Bryan Fischer’s iron-clad “as if” speculations.

Obviously if you were shot in the chest you must have been charging at the cop
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132 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 17, 2014 12:27:49pm

re: #128 Ryan King

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Oh Killgore… LOL.

He haz an OUTRAGE!!11!!

133 William Barnett-Lewis  Aug 17, 2014 12:28:02pm

re: #130 Backwoods_Sleuth

I say we just send in the bears…

Nah, what’s that poor bear done to deserve the heartburn Brian would cause?

134 EPR-radar  Aug 17, 2014 12:28:35pm

re: #124 Teukka

That’s what I’m referring to, I wasn’t sure if the lady was an RN or paramedic.
It would also explain why we at this point are on the 3rd autopsy of MB.
Because if it turns out this was a so-called “bad shooting” compounded by the victim of it left to die, denied care…
Whoah… I don’t even want to think of the outrage…

It would make the Rodney King verdict riots in LA look like a 5 second tiff between two toddlers in a sandbox.

Hell, even an acquittal of the shooter in this case is probably enough for the country to tear itself apart.

I think it’s high time for Gov. Nixon to get real. Something like this would be a good start:

“As part of the state of emergency, the Ferguson police department is relived of all duties effectively immediately. Policing and security in Ferguson will be handled by other agencies. All Ferguson PD investigation work product is to be turned over to the FBI immediately and in its entirety.”

135 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 17, 2014 12:28:42pm

re: #133 William Barnett-Lewis

Nah, what’s that poor bear done to deserve the heartburn Brian would cause?

Bears will just toy with him, like a frisbie.

136 jaunte  Aug 17, 2014 12:28:55pm
137 Aunty Entity Dragon  Aug 17, 2014 12:30:16pm
138 Unabogie  Aug 17, 2014 12:30:26pm

He’s a short little fucker.

139 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 17, 2014 12:31:08pm

Mental health break and, oh yeah…I want this right now, too.

140 Rightwingconspirator  Aug 17, 2014 12:31:13pm

re: #134 EPR-radar

Completely agree.
We have to own the facts-the people that live there have been betrayed by that PD, they deserve better and now would be the time to give them a competent agency.

141 Dr. Matt  Aug 17, 2014 12:31:47pm

Has anyone interviewed the store clerk confirm whether it was a robbery or that he paid?

142 Unabogie  Aug 17, 2014 12:34:05pm

re: #141 Dr. Matt

Has anyone interviewed the store clerk confirm whether it was a robbery or that he paid?

Read the above comments. He did not pay for the cigarettes.

143 Teukka  Aug 17, 2014 12:34:07pm

re: #134 EPR-radar

It would make the Rodney King verdict riots in LA look like a 5 second tiff between two toddlers in a sandbox.

Hell, even an acquittal of the shooter in this case is probably enough for the country to tear itself apart.

5 second tiff? More like 2 second one if you ask me, the kind adults rarely if ever notice.
And an acquittal if my hypothesis is correct? Pardon my pessimism, but I think your civ would get a good run for its money in that case. :(

I think it’s high time for Gov. Nixon to get real. Something like this would be a good start:

“As part of the state of emergency, the Ferguson police department is relived of all duties effectively immediately. Policing and security in Ferguson will be handled by other agencies. All Ferguson PD investigation work product is to be turned over to the FBI immediately and in its entirety.”

+1

144 Shvaughn  Aug 17, 2014 12:34:42pm

re: #128 Ryan King

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Oh Killgore… LOL.

Is that our Killgore?

145 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 17, 2014 12:35:06pm

re: #144 Shvaughn

Is that our Killgore?

yep

146 Dr. Matt  Aug 17, 2014 12:35:30pm

re: #142 Unabogie

Read the above comments. He did not pay for the cigarettes.

Thanks. Just logged in and trying to sort through 140+ comments is daunting.

147 jaunte  Aug 17, 2014 12:36:32pm

re: #141 Dr. Matt

Has anyone interviewed the store clerk confirm whether it was a robbery or that he paid?

FWIW, the store owners’ lawyer said at the start of the CNN interview that he had not spoken directly with the store clerk. So the owners may have relayed the story.

148 Jenner7  Aug 17, 2014 12:36:54pm

re: #146 Dr. Matt

He did not pay for them, but it looks like he paid for other stuff. The attorney for the store owner confirms that, so does his friend, Dorian Johnson.

149 Aunty Entity Dragon  Aug 17, 2014 12:37:22pm

re: #141 Dr. Matt

Has anyone interviewed the store clerk confirm whether it was a robbery or that he paid?

I honest to God do not know what to make of it now.

From personal experience when I had an on-the-job-injury that went to litigation, legal counsel for the company interviewed my co workers and they came up with stuff that had utterly nothing to do with the actual inury, and then presented this in their case.

Their position was completely untethered from what had actually happened because what they got from witnesses and co workers was conflicting or badly mistaken. Nevertheless, the confusion benefitted them.

I can see that here.

150 William Barnett-Lewis  Aug 17, 2014 12:37:23pm

re: #128 Ryan King

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Oh Killgore… LOL.

I see Killgore still has as little a clue as to what leftists actually are as he did back in 2011 when he claimed LGF was going radically leftist…

littlegreenfootballs.com

151 EPR-radar  Aug 17, 2014 12:37:47pm

Thought for the day, from a RedState front-pager:

If an Afghan was killed under the same circumstances as Michael Brown, the soldier involved and probably his immediate supervisor would be facing a court martial. If you doubt the degree to which our police are militarized ponder that question.

152 Dr. Matt  Aug 17, 2014 12:38:06pm

153 Rightwingconspirator  Aug 17, 2014 12:41:48pm

How many of us have experienced racial or political riots firsthand? By firsthand I don’t mean as a participant necessarily, but lets say in your zip code.

Count me in twice, Not counting Occupy LA. Rodney king riots, and the riots around the DNC in downtown LA. So seen riot strife up close, and really, really looking to never ever see that again. Senseless injuries, risk of deaths, damage, jobs lost…. LA had a curfew during the Rodney king riots, I was too young for me to recall if the Watts riots caused curfews. It’s a creepy sensation to understand you can be arrested just for being alone on a street. That anywhere you might have gone to late from a coffee shop to a late night pharmacy run is a crime.

154 Shvaughn  Aug 17, 2014 12:42:37pm

I can probably get rid of my bookmark I kept around for pasting into threads to prove Killgore blatantly lies.

155 Kragar  Aug 17, 2014 12:42:55pm

re: #153 Rightwingconspirator

How many of us have experienced racial or political riots firsthand? By firsthand I don’t mean as a participant necessarily, but lets say in your zip code.

Count me in twice, Not counting Occupy LA. Rodney king riots, and the riots around the DNC in downtown LA. So seen riot strife up close, and really, really looking to never ever see that again. Senseless injuries, risk of deaths, damage, jobs lost…. LA had a curfew during the Rodney king riots, I was too young for me to recall if the Watts riots caused curfews. It’s a creepy sensation to understand you can be arrested just for being alone on a street. That anywhere you might have gone to late from a coffee shop to a late night pharmacy run is a crime.

I was in my first year of college back during the King Riots, living in Pasadena at the time

156 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 17, 2014 12:43:20pm

re: #152 Dr. Matt

“Silly leftists”……coming from the poster who thinks you cannot question the manhood of a combat veteran. Derp

different poster.
KT is the free speech for racists defender.

157 Shvaughn  Aug 17, 2014 12:45:17pm

I too was in Pasadena for the Rodney King riots. To be honest I was pretty sympathetic to the rioters - it was a horrible miscarriage of justice.

158 jaunte  Aug 17, 2014 12:46:38pm
159 Shiplord Kirel  Aug 17, 2014 12:47:39pm

Even if we had the death penalty for stealing cigars, you would still have to wait for a judge and jury.

160 Dr. Matt  Aug 17, 2014 12:47:49pm

re: #156 Backwoods_Sleuth

different poster.
KT is the free speech for racists defender.

Ah. Oooops. My bad. Under caffeinated and overworked. I’ll replace my post with a gif.

161 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 17, 2014 12:48:36pm

re: #160 Dr. Matt

Ah. Oooops. My bad. Under caffeinated and overworked. I’ll replace my post with a gif.

Sometimes it’s hard to tell the difference.
:)

162 jaunte  Aug 17, 2014 12:49:22pm
Fox News host Juliet Huddy on Sunday asserted that the Ferguson Police Department was right to release video of a robbery because it could convince protesters that the “officer was justified” when he killed unarmed teen Michael Brown.

These people have lost their compasses.

163 Stanley Sea  Aug 17, 2014 12:50:06pm

re: #158 jaunte

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Time to read this story by Michael Bell

politico.com

From the beginning I cautioned patience, though Michael’s mother and sister were in an uproar. They had watched him get shot. But as an Air Force officer and pilot I knew the way safety investigations are conducted, and I was thinking that this was going to be conducted this way. Yet within 48 hours I got the message: The police had cleared themselves of all wrongdoing. In 48 hours! They hadn’t even taken statements from several eyewitnesses. Crime lab reports showed that my son’s DNA or fingerprints were not on any gun or holster, even though one of the police officers involved in Michael’s shooting had claimed that Michael had grabbed his gun.

From the beginning I allowed the investigation to proceed and didn’t know it was a sham until many of the facts were discovered. But before long I realized a cover-up was under way. I hadn’t understood at first how closely related the DA and the police were—during his election campaign for judge, the DA had been endorsed in writing by every police agency in the county. Now he was investigating them. It was a clear conflict of interest.

Read more: politico.com

164 jaunte  Aug 17, 2014 12:50:42pm

Fixed link.

165 JustMark  Aug 17, 2014 12:53:02pm

re: #76 CuriousLurker

I only follow LGF folks when it comes to politics… Can you say confirmation bias? ;-)

166 Shvaughn  Aug 17, 2014 12:53:57pm

Trout is also the guy who lies about DailyKOS because he hates Occupy.

167 Ryan King  Aug 17, 2014 12:54:18pm

I don’t remember where I was during the Rodney King riots, other than the Bay Area.

I do remember being outraged by the Reginald Denny beating at the time, and a short time later realizing that I was more outraged by Reginald Denny’s beating than Rodney King’s beating.

I realized that was my problem.

This event has only just begun and will take years to hash out. The potential for further unrest and rioting after any trials is huge. I hope justice comes through all of this.

Sadly, I don’t know if we evolved from Rodney King. Ferguson makes it appear we haven’t, or that we have a long way to go.

168 Teukka  Aug 17, 2014 12:55:03pm

re: #162 jaunte

These people have lost their compasses.

Yeah, the compass which tells a liar if he/she can get away with a particular lie.

169 Aunty Entity Dragon  Aug 17, 2014 12:55:25pm

re: #162 jaunte

These people have lost their compasses.

And there we go.

Five buck pack of shitty cigars means a street execution is in order.

Hate to go Godwin…but Juliet needs to wear her party identification armband if that is the position she wants to take.

170 WhatEVs  Aug 17, 2014 12:56:08pm

re: #162 jaunte

These people have lost their compasses.

Unfortunately, Fox never had a compass. To them it’s Left/Right. Period. Left likes it? We denigrate. Left hates it. We support it. It doesn’t matter what It is.

171 jaunte  Aug 17, 2014 12:56:52pm

re: #169 Aunty Entity Dragon

Huddy: “I’m not saying that’s what I’m saying but I said it and you heard it.”

172 sagehen  Aug 17, 2014 12:57:07pm

re: #170 Joanne

Unfortunately, Fox never had a compass. To them it’s Left/Right. Period. Left likes it? We denigrate. Left hates it. We support it. It doesn’t matter what It is.

Youtube Video

173 EPR-radar  Aug 17, 2014 12:58:07pm

re: #169 Aunty Entity Dragon

And there we go.

Five buck pack of shitty cigars means a street execution is in order.

Hate to go Godwin…but Juliet needs to wear her party identification armband if that is the position she wants to take.

It’s not a Godwin if it is true. This Juliet creature at Fox News apparently would have been perfectly content to work in Goebbels’ propaganda ministry creating excuses for certain incidents in Nazi Germany.

174 A Mom Anon  Aug 17, 2014 12:59:33pm

re: #162 jaunte

Among other things…their damned minds being first. Their compassion, empathy, critical thinking, common sense and humanity being next (yeah, I know, that’s all part of a moral compass, but god help me they make me sick). I guess getting paid to be a complete freaking asshole makes it easier for some people to sleep, especially when money=morality in a person’s twisted world view.

175 Kragar  Aug 17, 2014 1:00:14pm

I remember when the King Riots occurred. One of my classes was getting ready to start when the announcement was made a verdict had been reached. Our professor had been having lunch with some of us and she excused herself to go to the dept offices. Class started about 15 minutes later and she told us class was cancelled and to go home and stay safe. The riots began about 90 minutes later.

176 b_sharp  Aug 17, 2014 1:02:18pm

re: #169 Aunty Entity Dragon

And there we go.

Five buck pack of shitty cigars means a street execution is in order.

Hate to go Godwin…but Juliet needs to wear her party identification armband if that is the position she wants to take.

From the point of view of the far right, stealing those cigars is evidence Brown is a black thug who will never be anything but a black thug so deserves to be punished for his existence no matter how extreme the punishment.

177 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 17, 2014 1:03:37pm

So this just rolled into my Time Line
Non-wingnuts can Derp too

178 Shiplord Kirel  Aug 17, 2014 1:03:42pm

re: #121 Shvaughn

Bryan Fischer @BryanJFischer

Holder wants federal autopsy. Did local autopsy show Brown shot in chest, as if charging officer? bit.ly
1:06 PM - 17 Aug 2014

This notion of MB turning to charge the officer seems to have taken root on the right. I suppose it’s possible that someone would turn and charge a man who had just shot at him twice, but Occam’s razor would seem to favor a different explanation.

179 Aunty Entity Dragon  Aug 17, 2014 1:04:15pm

re: #163 Stanley Sea

Time to read this story by Michael Bell

politico.com

Read more: politico.com

Yes. As soon as the DA said he was turning this over to a Grand Jury, I knew the fix was in and that he wanted this to be scuppered without his fingerprints on it.

The plan is to make a half assed presentation to the jury, and then solumnly declare to us that no indictment was forthcoming for lack of evidence.

This was the game plan in Jacksonville Fl (seen in the oscar winning documentary Murder on a Sunday Morning) after the local police were found to have beaten a suspect (completely the wrong kid) and then threatened him with summary murder if he did not sign a confession to a nearby killing.

The injuries the kid sustained were documented by receiving authorities at the jail. After the kid was acquited at trial, the DA put the officer’s perjury, brutality and coercion through death threats before a grand jury and unsuprisingly did not obtain an indictment.

They did manage to fire the public defender who succesfully argued for his client and showed in open court that the Jacksonville PD likes to beat kids.

The officers were promoted.

180 Ryan King  Aug 17, 2014 1:04:24pm

re: #176 b_sharp

From the point of view of the far right, stealing those cigars is evidence Brown is a black thug who will never be anything but a black thug so deserves to be punished for his existence no matter how extreme the punishment.

Now that is some downright thuggish intellectualism, isn’t it?

I’ve been noticing people who like to freely toss out terms like ‘savages’ at PoC are they themselves the real savages.

181 Ryan King  Aug 17, 2014 1:04:50pm

re: #177 Pie-onist Overlord

DafuQ?

182 jaunte  Aug 17, 2014 1:06:18pm

re: #177 Pie-onist Overlord

Looking in vain for a mention of ‘AA’ in that Tesco story.

183 gwangung  Aug 17, 2014 1:06:23pm

re: #176 b_sharp

From the point of view of the far right, stealing those cigars is evidence Brown is a black thug who will never be anything but a black thug so deserves to be punished for his existence no matter how extreme the punishment.

This is a profoundly anti-Christian attitude. It denies the chance at redemption (and certainly petty theft is redeemable).

184 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 17, 2014 1:06:57pm

re: #182 jaunte

Looking in vain for a mention of ‘AA’ in that Tesco story.

That what made me go WTF

185 Shvaughn  Aug 17, 2014 1:07:22pm

By the time someone has decided to shoot you in the back while you are running away, it is legitimately self defense to charge the guy to try to take his gun away.

I’m not saying that is what Mike Brown decided to do, but it is not the damning evidence they are looking for.

186 Aunty Entity Dragon  Aug 17, 2014 1:07:39pm

re: #178 Shiplord Kirel

This notion of MB turning to charge the officer seems to have taken root on the right. I suppose it’s possible that someone would turn and charge a man who had just shot at him twice, but Occam’s razor would seem to favor a different explanation.

In what bizarre version of reality does an unarmed kid run away after being shot, gets shot a second time and then tries to turn and charge at theguy, now 35 feet away, who is shooting at him??!

Seriously, is there any record of this happening anywhere at any time ever?

187 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 17, 2014 1:07:54pm

re: #185 Shvaughn

By the time someone has decided to shoot you in the back while you are running away, it is legitimately self defense to charge the guy to try to take his gun away.

I’m not saying that is what Mike Brown decided to do, but it is not the damning evidence they are looking for.

How could he do that with 2 bullets in him already?

188 BeachDem  Aug 17, 2014 1:08:23pm

re: #178 Shiplord Kirel

This notion of MB turning to charge the officer seems to have taken root on the right. I suppose it’s possible that someone would turn and charge a man who had just shot at him twice, but Occam’s razor would seem to favor a different explanation.

I think that notion began on the Dana Loesch radio program when “Josie,” a friend of Darren Wilson, called in to give Wilson’s side of the story. Big surprise.

189 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 17, 2014 1:09:40pm

re: #182 jaunte

Looking in vain for a mention of ‘AA’ in that Tesco story.

Pretty much of a stretch, also, to blame AA for something that happened at a store in Great Britain.

190 ausador  Aug 17, 2014 1:10:12pm

re: #153 Rightwingconspirator

How many of us have experienced racial or political riots firsthand? By firsthand I don’t mean as a participant necessarily, but lets say in your zip code.

Count me in twice, Not counting Occupy LA. Rodney king riots, and the riots around the DNC in downtown LA. So seen riot strife up close, and really, really looking to never ever see that again. Senseless injuries, risk of deaths, damage, jobs lost…. LA had a curfew during the Rodney king riots, I was too young for me to recall if the Watts riots caused curfews. It’s a creepy sensation to understand you can be arrested just for being alone on a street. That anywhere you might have gone to late from a coffee shop to a late night pharmacy run is a crime.

Little something from Sublime on that…

Youtube Video

191 Kragar  Aug 17, 2014 1:10:28pm
192 Eventual Carrion  Aug 17, 2014 1:10:37pm

re: #122 Kragar

So now the DOJ isn’t supposed to investigate suspicious police shootings?

[Embedded content]

Don’t know Bryan, they won’t release it. Maybe you should talk to them and confirm your story. Or at least wipe the shit off of it before posting it on the twits.

193 sagehen  Aug 17, 2014 1:10:43pm

re: #182 jaunte

Looking in vain for a mention of ‘AA’ in that Tesco story.

I feel pretty certain that the “African-Americans” in the UK could be counted on your fingers.

194 Shvaughn  Aug 17, 2014 1:11:10pm

re: #187 Pie-onist Overlord

How could he do that with 2 bullets in him already?

He couldn’t, and even if he could, it still would be self defense against a murder attempt.

195 BeachDem  Aug 17, 2014 1:11:34pm

re: #184 Pie-onist Overlord

That what made me go WTF

I think she’s probably relying on a “Six Degrees of Kevin Bacon” theory (get it—Bacon/kosher??) OK—weak, don’t throw things, please.

196 1Peter G1  Aug 17, 2014 1:12:04pm

re: #115 Rightwingconspirator

You are free to believe all the information you like, contradictory or not. I prefer facts myself. No shot in head then witness wrong. And since the jails are full of innocent people convicted by eyewitnesses I do believe some restraint might be called for. Especially when your witnesses prefer to remain anonymous. I personally think it is somewhat hypocritical to accuse law enforcement simultaneously of not releasing enough information then too much because it might cause a bad reaction. And then to go with this? As if it is not going to produce exactly the same reaction.

197 stpaulbear  Aug 17, 2014 1:13:00pm

re: #178 Shiplord Kirel

It’s aready been a part of the eyewitness reports that Brown turned around and put his hands up and was shot in the chest while he stood there. Is the county just going to state that any chest wounds prove that he was running back towards his executioner? Is this going to be the new slander?

198 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Aug 17, 2014 1:13:07pm

re: #194 Shvaughn

He couldn’t, and even if he could, it still would be self defense against a murder attempt.

No, it’s just a thug engaging in a war on whites.

/

199 gwangung  Aug 17, 2014 1:13:31pm

re: #196 1Peter G1

You are free to believe all the information you like, contradictory or not. I prefer facts myself. No shot in head then witness wrong. And since the jails are full of innocent people convicted by eyewitnesses I do believe some restraint might be called for. Especially when your witnesses prefer to remain anonymous. I personally think it is somewhat hypocritical to accuse law enforcement simultaneously of not releasing enough information then too much because it might cause a bad reaction. And then to go with this? As if it is not going to produce exactly the same reaction.

Well, the fact of the matter is that the Ferguson is doing a half-assed job of this. To be charitable.

200 Eventual Carrion  Aug 17, 2014 1:13:59pm

re: #131 Aunty Entity Dragon

Obviously if you were shot in the chest you must have been charging at the cop
///

Because a cop wouldn’t shoot someone dropping to their knees, facing the cop, with hands up, in the chest.

//

201 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 17, 2014 1:14:15pm

re: #182 jaunte

Looking in vain for a mention of ‘AA’ in that Tesco story.

Thinking further on it now, maybe poor Edie is talking about Alcoholics Anonymous. She’s derpy enough…

202 Aunty Entity Dragon  Aug 17, 2014 1:14:28pm

re: #188 BeachDem

I think that notion began on the Dana Loesch radio program when “Josie,” a friend of Darren Wilson, called in to give Wilson’s side of the story. Big surprise.

It is another rehash of the black thugs haz sooper powerz and we haz to shoot them over and over meme that also goes along with black thugs want to rape yer virgin white daughter and yer wife

Neither are especially new in American history.

203 EPR-radar  Aug 17, 2014 1:15:27pm

re: #199 gwangung

Well, the fact of the matter is that the Ferguson is doing a half-assed job of this. To be charitable.

I think it would be perfectly fair to relieve the entire Ferguson PD of duty and investigate them for obstruction of justice and inciting a riot.

204 Eventual Carrion  Aug 17, 2014 1:15:40pm

re: #133 William Barnett-Lewis

Nah, what’s that poor bear done to deserve the heartburn Brian would cause?

The bear would definitely need more Charmin for the runs it would give him.

205 Shvaughn  Aug 17, 2014 1:17:48pm

re: #196 1Peter G1

I personally think it is somewhat hypocritical to accuse law enforcement simultaneously of not releasing enough information then too much because it might cause a bad reaction.

Really, you don’t understand why people are upset with the police releasing only evidence which smears Brown and nothing else?

206 Kid A  Aug 17, 2014 1:18:17pm

re: #196 1Peter G1

Don’t you dare drive-by troll us, asshole.

207 WhatEVs  Aug 17, 2014 1:18:22pm

re: #199 gwangung

Well, the fact of the matter is that the Ferguson is doing a half-assed job of this. To be charitable.

That’s it exactly. I get 1Peter1’s point about waiting for the autopsy before making declarative assumptions, but the Ferguson PD as well as the StL County PD are doing *nothing* to instill faith in anything they do. They’ve fucked up every aspect of this kid’s death from minute one.

208 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 17, 2014 1:18:29pm

re: #196 1Peter G1

Again, what difference does “shot in the head” make?
And how do you know this particular witness is “anonymous”?
There are other witnesses (one with video who witnessed the event), and he is not anonymous. Nor are several other witnesses anonymous.

209 WhatEVs  Aug 17, 2014 1:19:13pm

re: #205 Shvaughn

Really, you don’t understand why people are upset with the police releasing only evidence which smears Brown and nothing else?

No. He doesn’t.

210 stpaulbear  Aug 17, 2014 1:19:19pm

re: #196 1Peter G1

I personally think it is somewhat hypocritical to accuse law enforcement simultaneously of not releasing enough information then too much because it might cause a bad reaction.

Because their judicious release of information has gone so swimmingly well so far. No info about the actual shooting but tons of OMG Brown was a crook!

211 OhNoZombies!  Aug 17, 2014 1:19:20pm

re: #202 Aunty Entity Dragon

It is another rehash of the black thugs haz sooper powerz and we haz to shoot them over and over meme that also goes along with black thugs want to rape yer virgin white daughter and yer wife

Neither are especially new in American history.

Yep.
{{steps back into the shadows}}

212 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 17, 2014 1:19:24pm

re: #206 Kid A

Don’t you dare drive-by troll us, asshole.

At least this time he’s not doing his derp load on a dead thread like his usual MO.

213 EPR-radar  Aug 17, 2014 1:19:44pm

re: #205 Shvaughn

Really, you don’t understand why people are upset with the police releasing only evidence which smears Brown and nothing else?

Willful ignorance in action. The complete and total irrelevance of the incident at the store has been explained many times.

214 Charles Johnson  Aug 17, 2014 1:21:21pm
215 1Peter G1  Aug 17, 2014 1:21:28pm

re: #48 b_sharp

Hmm. So if Brown was the convenience store robber and he thought he was about to get arrested for that then he has all the motive in the world for doing exactly what the officer claims he did. And it does not matter what the officer knew. Brown was not going to out sprint that officer was he? So he might very well have tried to overpower the officer and try to take his weapon. That, as far as Brown knew, was about his only chance of escape. Gee speculating is fun. And popular.

216 Kid A  Aug 17, 2014 1:21:34pm

re: #213 EPR-radar

Willful ignorance in action. The complete and total irrelevance of the incident at the store has been explained many times.

The worst kind of all.

217 Kid A  Aug 17, 2014 1:23:03pm

re: #215 1Peter G1

Hmm. So if Brown was the convenience store robber and he thought he was about to get arrested for that then he has all the motive in the world for doing exactly what the officer claims he did. And it does not matter what the officer knew. Brown was not going to out sprint that officer was he? So he might very well have tried to overpower the officer and try to take his weapon. That, as far as Brown knew, was about his only chance of escape. Gee speculating is fun. And popular.

Which is exactly what you’re doing. Next?

218 Aunty Entity Dragon  Aug 17, 2014 1:23:05pm

Training video for he Ferguson PD..

dailymotion.com

219 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 17, 2014 1:23:19pm

re: #215 1Peter G1

Hmm. So if Brown was the convenience store robber and he thought he was about to get arrested for that then he has all the motive in the world for doing exactly what the officer claims he did. And it does not matter what the officer knew. Brown was not going to out sprint that officer was he? So he might very well have tried to overpower the officer and try to take his weapon. That, as far as Brown knew, was about his only chance of escape. Gee speculating is fun. And popular.

From 35 feet away.
It’s obvious now, from what you just posted there, that you already have all the “facts” you need.

Go ahead…pull my finger.

220 Shvaughn  Aug 17, 2014 1:23:30pm

Trolling.

221 sagehen  Aug 17, 2014 1:23:46pm

re: #215 1Peter G1

Hmm. So if Brown was the convenience store robber and he thought he was about to get arrested for that then he has all the motive in the world for doing exactly what the officer claims he did. And it does not matter what the officer knew. Brown was not going to out sprint that officer was he? So he might very well have tried to overpower the officer and try to take his weapon. That, as far as Brown knew, was about his only chance of escape. Gee speculating is fun. And popular.

Seriously? A guy who thinks he’s about to get charged with shoplifting has “all the motive in the world” to turn into a desperado who’d attack a cop in his car and try to take his weapon? Honest to god, you believe that passes the smell test?

222 lawhawk  Aug 17, 2014 1:23:59pm

re: #188 BeachDem

I think that notion began on the Dana Loesch radio program when “Josie,” a friend of Darren Wilson, called in to give Wilson’s side of the story. Big surprise.

Anyone calling in claiming to be anyone other than Wilson and stating what Wilson did or didn’t do, and what Brown did or didn’t do, without being an actual witness to events is engaging in hearsay - and is completely inadmissible.

All they’re doing is poisoning the potential jury pool by claiming that the shooting was somehow justified.

223 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Aug 17, 2014 1:24:17pm

re: #215 1Peter G1

Hmm. So if Brown was the convenience store robber and he thought he was about to get arrested for that then he has all the motive in the world for doing exactly what the officer claims he did.

No, he wouldn’t. Stealing a few cigars with nothing else on your record isn’t going to get you harsh punishment. Trying to steal a cop’s gun would be wildly dangerous.

224 gwangung  Aug 17, 2014 1:24:22pm

re: #215 1Peter G1

Hmm. So if Brown was the convenience store robber and he thought he was about to get arrested for that then he has all the motive in the world for doing exactly what the officer claims he did.

No. He does NOT.

He might run, but he wouldn’t charge. At least, he wouldn’t get sho—-

Oh. Wait a minute.

Stop being an ass.

225 Charles Johnson  Aug 17, 2014 1:24:55pm

226 blueraven  Aug 17, 2014 1:24:55pm

re: #215 1Peter G1

Hmm. So if Brown was the convenience store robber and he thought he was about to get arrested for that then he has all the motive in the world for doing exactly what the officer claims he did. And it does not matter what the officer knew. Brown was not going to out sprint that officer was he? So he might very well tried to overpower the officer and try to take his weapon. That, as far as Brown knew, was about his only chance of escape. Gee speculating is fun. And popular.

Ferguson PD could stop some of the speculation by releasing the official incident report of the shooting.
There is so much speculation because the story has changed multiple times.

227 Shiplord Kirel  Aug 17, 2014 1:25:15pm

re: #186 Aunty Entity Dragon

In what bizarre version of reality does an unarmed kid run away after being shot, gets shot a second time and then tries to turn and charge at theguy, now 35 feet away, who is shooting at him??!

Seriously, is there any record of this happening anywhere at any time ever?

I’m not really advocating that scenario.

228 Ryan King  Aug 17, 2014 1:25:59pm

Concern Troll is concerned.

229 goddamnedfrank  Aug 17, 2014 1:26:07pm

230 EPR-radar  Aug 17, 2014 1:26:20pm

re: #215 1Peter G1

Life would be ever so much easier if everyone with a guilty conscience would obligingly commit suicide by cop. One uniformed squad of beat cops marching down Wall Street would depopulate the financial district. //

In any case, the only relevant state of mind is that of the shooter, who saw fit to empty the clip into a person who was surely not a threat all the way through this incident.

231 WhatEVs  Aug 17, 2014 1:27:36pm

re: #222 lawhawk

All they’re doing is poisoning the potential jury pool by claiming that the shooting was somehow justified.

Somehow, I think this - along with swaying public opinion in general - is the prime objective.

232 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 17, 2014 1:27:38pm

re: #221 sagehen

Seriously? A guy who thinks he’s about to get charged with shoplifting has “all the motive in the world” to turn into a desperado who’d attack a cop in his car and try to take his weapon? Honest to god, you believe that passes the smell test?

Apparently Peter is a total law and order guy and is just fine with a cop being a judge, jury and executioner, even though the very confused Ferguson PD Chief Jackson said that Wilson DID NOT KNOW Michael Johnson was a rbbery suspect; that the stop was only because MB was “walking down the middle of the street blocking traffic”.
But this is all just OK with Peter, because reasons…

233 Jenner7  Aug 17, 2014 1:28:24pm

re: #215 1Peter G1

It would sure be nice if police would release more information then, wouldn’t it? The fact that we know more from witnesses (all who say the same thing, btw) than the police is VERY troubling.

234 Ryan King  Aug 17, 2014 1:28:36pm

re: #221 sagehen

Honest to god, you believe that passes the smell test?

It’s totally relevant if Brown committed a crime or not and worth speculating, but I’m not going to speculate on whether he actually had a head wound or not, I’ll wait until the autopsy.

Regards, Concerned in Trollville

235 stpaulbear  Aug 17, 2014 1:30:25pm

One thing I’ve been wondering is, now that the cop’s picture has been posted on the internets, if he’s avoiding SYG states.

236 jaunte  Aug 17, 2014 1:30:32pm

David Sirota’s One Weird Hitchhiking Trick

237 Eventual Carrion  Aug 17, 2014 1:30:38pm

re: #211 OhNoZombies!

Yep.
{{steps back into the shadows}}

We can see you back there.

238 1Peter G1  Aug 17, 2014 1:30:50pm

re: #205 Shvaughn

Oh I think this comes under the heading of being careful what you wish for. I was perfectly content to wait for a full investigation especially with the Feds involved. Others thought differently. And now it has been established as fact that it was Michael Brown on the convenience store video narratives are exploding left and right. And this is starting to make The Bonfire of the Vanities look positively prescient. By all means believe as many anonymous eyewitnesses as you like. This is the Internet after all where two anonymous sources can make anything true. I do believe I’ll wait myself and stick with conditional and hypothetical guesses about what might have happened.

239 Stanley Sea  Aug 17, 2014 1:30:59pm

re: #231 Joanne

Somehow, I think this - along with swaying public opinion in general - is the prime objective.

We’re getting Zimmermaned.

240 William Barnett-Lewis  Aug 17, 2014 1:31:01pm

Ol’ Peter here almost smells like KT in his concern for order.

241 Kid A  Aug 17, 2014 1:31:01pm

re: #223 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

No, he wouldn’t. Stealing a few cigars with nothing else on your record isn’t going to get you harsh punishment. Trying to steal a cop’s gun would be wildly dangerous.

As I said a few days ago, if he was alive and if he was even charged, he was probably looking at six months deferred adjudication, tops. Do your community service, see your PO once a month, stay out of trouble and it’s wiped off your record.

242 Aunty Entity Dragon  Aug 17, 2014 1:31:39pm

re: #215 1Peter G1

Hmm. So if Brown was the convenience store robber and he thought he was about to get arrested for that then he has all the motive in the world for doing exactly what the officer claims he did.

Reaching over the body of the officer into the vehicle and scrabbling about for a weapon out of human reach??

And it does not matter what the officer knew. Brown was not going to out sprint that officer was he?

Brown wasn’t trying to get away in the first place, genius. He was walking down the middle of the damned street.

So he might very well have tried to overpower the officer and try to take his weapon.

Overpower a cop in his own car when you are outside of the vehicle? Human physiology! How the fuck does it work?

That, as far as Brown knew, was about his only chance of escape.

So did you do your seance with Brown just like the one you see in Rashamon?

Gee speculating is fun. And popular.

So is half assed trolling, but thanks for playing.

243 EPR-radar  Aug 17, 2014 1:32:17pm

re: #221 sagehen

Seriously? A guy who thinks he’s about to get charged with shoplifting has “all the motive in the world” to turn into a desperado who’d attack a cop in his car and try to take his weapon? Honest to god, you believe that passes the smell test?

What else can a doctrinaire law and order type do at this point in time? Having such delusions in random internet commenters is not much of a problem.

Having the same disconnect from reality in the leadership of both the Ferguson PD and the St. Louis county PD is a much more serious problem.

244 KerFuFFler  Aug 17, 2014 1:32:37pm

re: #186 Aunty Entity Dragon

In what bizarre version of reality does an unarmed kid run away after being shot, gets shot a second time and then tries to turn and charge at theguy, now 35 feet away, who is shooting at him??!

Seriously, is there any record of this happening anywhere at any time ever?

I think this is the reason they are waiting for the toxicology report. If they find evidence of drugs in his system they can say, “of course his actions don’t make sense——-he was a drug user!” They figure all they need are a few such fig leaves to provide cover for racist jurors who want to say what happened is unclear.

245 goddamnedfrank  Aug 17, 2014 1:32:40pm

re: #221 sagehen

Seriously? A guy who thinks he’s about to get charged with shoplifting has “all the motive in the world” to turn into a desperado who’d attack a cop in his car and try to take his weapon? Honest to god, you believe that passes the smell test?

It wasn’t just a cop car, it was an SUV, which would have gone a long way towards nullifying whatever height / reach advantage Brown might have had. Far more plausible that the officer pulled the gun out on his own.

246 Ryan King  Aug 17, 2014 1:33:17pm

re: #238 1Peter G1

Killgore? That you buddy?

247 1Peter G1  Aug 17, 2014 1:33:22pm

re: #219 Backwoods_Sleuth

You have the evidence to back that up do you? Kindly make that available. As far as I know neither autopsy results nor ballistics reports are yet available. I don’t pretend to know. Do you?

248 b.d.  Aug 17, 2014 1:36:04pm

re: #113 1Peter G1

And if the autopsy shows he wasn’t shot in the head at all? I think I might wait until those results are available.

So it is time for the cops to say SOMETHING about ANYTHING, so far all they have done is blame the victim, the neighborhood and the media, they haven’t given any information out about the case at all.

249 Ryan King  Aug 17, 2014 1:36:31pm

re: #240 William Barnett-Lewis

Ol’ Peter here almost smells like KT in his concern for order.

YOU CAN’T HANDLE THE TRUTH!

250 WhatEVs  Aug 17, 2014 1:36:41pm

re: #244 KerFuFFler

I think this is the reason they are waiting for the toxicology report. If they find evidence of drugs in his system they can say, “of course his actions don’t make sense——-he was a drug user!” They figure all they need are a few such fig leaves to provide cover for racist jurors who want to say what happened is unclear.

That’s what initially infuriated me. It’s not like a tox screen wouldn’t automatically be done. But the way the StL Co CoP initially introduced the statement into his first presser was completely inflammatory. Everything the police has done here from the first minutes after this event has been to obscure and circle the wagons. It’s like the dead kid was a complete sidebar to the entire saga; completely irrelevant.

251 Jenner7  Aug 17, 2014 1:37:06pm

re: #247 1Peter G1

Why are you here, other than to cause trouble? It’s human nature to speculate. Especially when you have a police force releasing information selectively, to protect their own and assassinate Mike’s character.

252 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 17, 2014 1:37:25pm
253 BeachDem  Aug 17, 2014 1:37:36pm

re: #215 1Peter G1

Hmm. So if Brown was the convenience store robber and he thought he was about to get arrested for that then he has all the motive in the world for doing exactly what the officer claims he did. And it does not matter what the officer knew. Brown was not going to out sprint that officer was he? So he might very well have tried to overpower the officer and try to take his weapon. That, as far as Brown knew, was about his only chance of escape. Gee speculating is fun. And popular.

As I mentioned when you posted this derp yesterday, a “big, ferocious strong-arm robber” doesn’t usually try to evade the cops by walking down the middle of the street.

254 klys  Aug 17, 2014 1:38:00pm

re: #247 1Peter G1

You have the evidence to back that up do you? Kindly make that available. As far as I know neither autopsy results nor ballistics reports are yet available. I don’t pretend to know. Do you?

Apparently the only evidence that means anything to you is the autopsy and/or ballistics reports, so I don’t know why you’re asking us to produce them.

Why don’t you go ask the police departments that have been releasing all this unrelated material?

255 OhNoZombies!  Aug 17, 2014 1:38:54pm

re: #237 Eventual Carrion

We can see you back there.

Dang!

256 Aunty Entity Dragon  Aug 17, 2014 1:39:05pm

re: #247 1Peter G1

I liked you better as 7 Zark 7

257 lawhawk  Aug 17, 2014 1:39:17pm

re: #225 Charles Johnson

Troll in the dungeon

258 1Peter G1  Aug 17, 2014 1:39:47pm

re: #243 EPR-radar

Rev Al is out there right now trying to sell exactly that narrative. Brown is just a shoplifter so no big deal. Sadly that is not true. Grabbing the clerk and threatening the clerk makes it a much more serious offense. It I did that to Sharpton he’d be demanding I be charged with assault and battery. So no, it isn’t just a case of shoplifting. Michael Brown is no longer a gentle giant who would not hurt a fly. He is a big guy prepared to use force and the threat of it to get what he wants. Somebody call the script writers. We need a rewrite.

259 WhatEVs  Aug 17, 2014 1:40:04pm

re: #254 klys

Apparently the only evidence that means anything to you is the autopsy and/or ballistics reports, so I don’t know why you’re asking us to produce them.

Why don’t you go ask the police departments that have been releasing all this unrelated material?

I wouldn’t say unrelated…peripherally related, perhaps. But it’s how and why they’re doing it that’s FUBAR. There’s no concern for truth on their side. They’re deflecting everything.

260 EPR-radar  Aug 17, 2014 1:41:05pm

re: #250 Joanne

That’s what initially infuriated me. It’s not like a tox screen wouldn’t automatically be done. But the way the StL Co CoP initially introduced the statement into his first presser was completely inflammatory. Everything the police has done here from the first minutes after this event has been to obscure and circle the wagons. It’s like the dead kid was a complete sidebar to the entire saga; completely irrelevant.

It seems worse than that to me. To my eyes, Ferguson PD knows that this is a clear-cut case of murder if if ever gets to trial with proper evidence. The institutional Ferguson PD response appears to involve tainting the evidence, spoiling the jury pool, and inciting riots.

261 Aunty Entity Dragon  Aug 17, 2014 1:41:21pm

re: #258 1Peter G1

Rev Al is out there right now trying to sell exactly that narrative. Brown is just a shoplifter so no big deal. Sadly that is not true. Grabbing the clerk and threatening the clerk makes it a much more serious offense. It I did that to Sharpton he’d be demanding I be charged with assault and battery. So no, it isn’t just a case of shoplifting. Michael Brown is no longer a gentle giant who would not hurt a fly. He is a big guy prepared to use force and the threat of it to get what he wants. Somebody call the script writers. We need a rewrite.

His zombie might be stalking you right now. Hide!

262 Eventual Carrion  Aug 17, 2014 1:41:35pm

re: #232 Backwoods_Sleuth

Apparently Peter is a total law and order guy and is just fine with a cop being a judge, jury and executioner, [snip]

Right up until one judge, juries, and executes him or one of his.

263 Ryan King  Aug 17, 2014 1:43:46pm

re: #258 1Peter G1

Rev Al is out there right now trying to sell exactly that narrative. Brown is just a shoplifter so no big deal. Sadly that is not true. Grabbing the clerk and threatening the clerk makes it a much more serious offense. It I did that to Sharpton he’d be demanding I be charged with assault and battery. So no, it isn’t just a case of shoplifting. Michael Brown is no longer a gentle giant who would not hurt a fly. He is a big guy prepared to use force and the threat of it to get what he wants. Somebody call the script writers. We need a rewrite.

Didn’t you just write this?

You are free to believe all the information you like, contradictory or not. I prefer facts myself.

Blatant hypocrite. Intellectual honesty, how the fuck does it work?

264 Shvaughn  Aug 17, 2014 1:46:37pm

Oh no! AL Sharpton! !!

265 BeachDem  Aug 17, 2014 1:48:04pm

re: #258 1Peter G1

Rev Al is out there right now trying to sell exactly that narrative. Brown is just a shoplifter so no big deal. Sadly that is not true. Grabbing the clerk and threatening the clerk makes it a much more serious offense. It I did that to Sharpton he’d be demanding I be charged with assault and battery. So no, it isn’t just a case of shoplifting. Michael Brown is no longer a gentle giant who would not hurt a fly. He is a big guy prepared to use force and the threat of it to get what he wants. Somebody call the script writers. We need a rewrite.

Michael Brown is no longer alive—that’s the whole point.

266 ausador  Aug 17, 2014 1:48:18pm

re: #196 1Peter G1

You are free to believe all the information you like, contradictory or not. I prefer facts myself. No shot in head then witness wrong.

On the day of the shooting the man who was with Michael said on news camera that Michael had been shot in the head. Also if you look at the early photos of the victim in the street you see a large blood pool/trail to the right of his head.

Not proof mind you, but why would someone who was there make up such an easily disprovable falsehood? What gain is there in that? I’ll be very much surprised if that turns out to be false.

The real question is under what circumstances did that shot occur, which unfortunately we are NEVER going to know with any certainty now.

267 KerFuFFler  Aug 17, 2014 1:48:59pm

re: #260 EPR-radar

It seems worse than that to me. To my eyes, Ferguson PD knows that this is a clear-cut case of murder if if ever gets to trial with proper evidence. The institutional Ferguson PD response appears to involve tainting the evidence, spoiling the jury pool, and inciting riots.

Agreed! I hope the FBI are documenting the intentional incompetence that amounts to obstruction of justice and make a clean sweep of the officers calling these plays. The testimony of the witnesses is all tainted now because of the piecemeal way it has dribbled out from various sources. The defense attorney will be able to reasonably claim that witnesses made their descriptions match previously released sources. In a proper investigation, the witnesses are interviewed promptly so they have no opportunity to hear what others are saying, but they only conduct a proper investigation when they are prosecuting “criminals”. When it is one of their own, they drag their feet to taint the evidence against him.

268 Ryan King  Aug 17, 2014 1:49:12pm

Sharpton: mealy mouthed passive aggressive bigot’s favorite ‘uppity ni-CLANG’

269 klys  Aug 17, 2014 1:50:11pm

Just figure I should leave a reminder of how …open-minded… our “friend” here is.

It is the cross examination of Dorian Johnson that will be the problem. It is testimony that will be impeached.

Source.

270 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 17, 2014 2:19:05pm

re: #201 Backwoods_Sleuth

Thinking further on it now, maybe poor Edie is talking about Alcoholics Anonymous. She’s derpy enough…

Edie just proved that you don’t have to be a wingnut to be an asshole.

271 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 17, 2014 2:24:09pm

re: #270 Pie-onist Overlord

Edie just proved that you don’t have to be a wingnut to be an asshole.

Yep. “I hate bigots…and all juice are bigots…”

272 urbanmeemaw  Aug 17, 2014 2:34:19pm

re: #214 Charles Johnson

If only Godwald would bring him to the Intercept. Then we’d never have to read an article by David Shrillrota again.

273 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 17, 2014 2:44:27pm

re: #247 1Peter G1

You have the evidence to back that up do you? Kindly make that available. As far as I know neither autopsy results nor ballistics reports are yet available. I don’t pretend to know. Do you?

Wow so troll very concern much tsk tsk

274 b_sharp  Aug 17, 2014 6:29:59pm

re: #215 1Peter G1

Hmm. So if Brown was the convenience store robber and he thought he was about to get arrested for that then he has all the motive in the world for doing exactly what the officer claims he did. And it does not matter what the officer knew. Brown was not going to out sprint that officer was he? So he might very well have tried to overpower the officer and try to take his weapon. That, as far as Brown knew, was about his only chance of escape. Gee speculating is fun. And popular.

Did you actually read my comment? Because it really sounds like you didn’t.


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