Family’s Autopsy Shows Michael Brown Was Shot at Least Six Times, Twice in the Head, Not at Close Range

Suggesting an execution
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The New York Times has details tonight on the autopsy performed on Michael Brown’s body at the family’s request, and it shows that Brown was struck by bullets at least 6 times — twice in the head.

And the absence of gunpowder residue on his body strongly suggests that he was not close to the police officer when he was shot.

FERGUSON, Mo. — Michael Brown, the unarmed black teenager who was killed by a police officer, sparking protests around the nation, was shot at least six times, including twice in the head, a preliminary private autopsy performed on Sunday found.

One of the bullets entered the top of Mr. Brown’s skull, suggesting his head was bent forward when it struck him and caused a fatal injury, according to Dr. Michael M. Baden, the former chief medical examiner for the City of New York, who flew to Missouri on Sunday at the family’s request to conduct the separate autopsy. It was likely the last of bullets to hit him, he said.

Mr. Brown, 18, was also shot four times in the right arm, he said, adding that all the bullets were fired into his front.

The bullets did not appear to have been shot from very close range because no gunpowder was present on his body.

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1 Kilroy01  Aug 17, 2014 8:16:33pm

From the report:
Dr. Baden provided a diagram of the entry wounds, and noted that the six shots produced numerous wounds. Some of the bullets entered and exited several times, including one that left at least five different wounds.

Was the cop using fragmenting bullets?

2 Charles Johnson  Aug 17, 2014 8:17:21pm

re: #1 Kilroy01

If his body was turned sideways that could explain it.

3 Charles Johnson  Aug 17, 2014 8:18:26pm

Michael Brown was unarmed. There’s simply no way to justify firing six shots at him.

4 allegro  Aug 17, 2014 8:19:47pm

So he was injured, but probably not mortally when he was on his knees with his hands up, per eyewitness reports. This kid was executed.

5 Belafon  Aug 17, 2014 8:20:00pm

What would close range be?

6 Charles Johnson  Aug 17, 2014 8:20:14pm
7 Shvaughn  Aug 17, 2014 8:20:15pm

White people seem to think that a black man’s body by itself is a dangerous weapon.

8 klys  Aug 17, 2014 8:20:38pm

re: #5 Belafon

What would close range be?

For gunpowder residue, 3-5 feet.

9 Targetpractice  Aug 17, 2014 8:20:44pm

I imagine the crowing from the usual dumbshits will start very shortly, as they declare that all the shots being to Brown’s front being the very “proof” they needed that the cop’s version of events, namely that Brown “charged” him, must be truthful and that he should be cleared of all wrongdoing for shooting in “self-defense.”

10 Lidane  Aug 17, 2014 8:21:08pm

Six shots to the front. Two to the head. WTF.

This was an execution, and the cops in Ferguson have done everything they can to not only poison the well, making putting a jury together impossible, but they ALSO helped Michael Brown’s murderer skip town.

11 Rightwingconspirator  Aug 17, 2014 8:21:17pm

re: #3 Charles Johnson

Michael Brown was unarmed. There’s simply no way to justify firing six shots at him.

Certainly not at that distance. we are not talking wounds from a fight in or near the police car. This is after he ran, stopped presenting any threat at all. I get that it’s different for cops, but every one who ever fires a gun in self defense or as part of his job as a cop is responsible for each and every bullet.

12 Shvaughn  Aug 17, 2014 8:21:42pm

If there was no gunpowder reside on him, what about the gunshot that went off in the police car?

13 Charles Johnson  Aug 17, 2014 8:22:43pm
14 klys  Aug 17, 2014 8:23:03pm

re: #12 Shvaughn

If there was no gunpowder reside on him, what about the gunshot that went off in the police car?

The ME did note that he didn’t have access to the clothing to test it, but it does seem unlikely that no particles would have been present on the body if the shot was fired with him in proximity.

15 OhNoZombies!  Aug 17, 2014 8:23:14pm

His poor parents…
God.

16 Rightwingconspirator  Aug 17, 2014 8:23:15pm

re: #12 Shvaughn

If there was no gunpowder reside on him, what about the gunshot that went off in the police car?

Either it never happened or the gun was not pointed anywhere near him. Or near the port & chamber.

17 Targetpractice  Aug 17, 2014 8:23:27pm

re: #12 Shvaughn

If there was no gunpowder reside on him, what about the gunshot that went off in the police car?

The article notes that Baden didn’t have access to Brown’s clothing, which is still in the possession of the police.

18 Jenner7  Aug 17, 2014 8:24:05pm

“Mr. Brown, 18, was also shot four times in the right arm, he said, adding that all the bullets were fired into his front.”

I thought witnesses said he was running and shot, then spun around?

19 Charles Johnson  Aug 17, 2014 8:24:18pm
20 gwangung  Aug 17, 2014 8:25:27pm

re: #18 Jenner7

“Mr. Brown, 18, was also shot four times in the right arm, he said, adding that all the bullets were fired into his front.”

I thought witnesses said he was running and shot, then spun around?

One possible scenario is that the shots missed, he stopped and turned around to say Don’t shoot.

21 Belafon  Aug 17, 2014 8:25:42pm

re: #18 Jenner7

The autopsy says he was hit six times. Witnesses indicate that the gun was fired 9 or more times. That would indicate at least 3 misses.

22 klys  Aug 17, 2014 8:26:05pm

re: #18 Jenner7

“Mr. Brown, 18, was also shot four times in the right arm, he said, adding that all the bullets were fired into his front.”

I thought witnesses said he was running and shot, then spun around?

It’s possible that he spun in response to hearing bullets pass by him, figuring that if the police officer was going to shoot as he was running away, he was better off surrendering.

Witnesses are consistent in that there was substantial separation between the two when Brown turned around.

23 NJDhockeyfan  Aug 17, 2014 8:26:06pm

I just heard this on the scanner.

24 HappyWarrior  Aug 17, 2014 8:26:56pm

This was murder. Plain and simple. And for Wilson to receive any conviction less than is a severe indictment on our legal system.

25 ausador  Aug 17, 2014 8:27:42pm
26 Kilroy01  Aug 17, 2014 8:27:54pm

If the officer used fragmenting bullets it doesn’t matter.
They are legal for police (in the US).

From Wiki

Despite the ban on military use, hollow-point bullets are one of the most common types of bullets used by civilians and police,[4] which is due largely to the reduced risk of bystanders being hit by over-penetrating or ricocheted bullets, and the increased speed of incapacitation.

27 danarchy  Aug 17, 2014 8:28:08pm

re: #21 Belafon

The autopsy says he was hit six times. Witnesses indicate that the gun was fired 9 or more times. That would indicate at least 3 misses.

Witnesses get the number of shots wrong pretty regularly. Overestimating in a situation like that isn’t uncommon. Or he missed…

28 allegro  Aug 17, 2014 8:29:12pm

re: #18 Jenner7

“Mr. Brown, 18, was also shot four times in the right arm, he said, adding that all the bullets were fired into his front.”

I thought witnesses said he was running and shot, then spun around?

I believe there were 9 shots fired. 6 entered Michael’s body. He probably spun around when he realized he was being shot at, putting his hands up to surrender when he realized the cop was shooting at him.

29 Lidane  Aug 17, 2014 8:29:38pm

re: #24 HappyWarrior

This was murder. Plain and simple. And for Wilson to receive any conviction less than is a severe indictment on our legal system.

He’ll never see the inside of a courtroom. Bet on it.

30 Targetpractice  Aug 17, 2014 8:29:52pm

re: #27 danarchy

Witnesses get the number of shots wrong pretty regularly. Overestimating in a situation like that isn’t uncommon. Or he missed…

Yet it’s one of those things that any lawyer worth his salt loves to exploit as a quick way to splash a little doubt on a witness’ recall of events.

31 klys  Aug 17, 2014 8:30:08pm

So when do we see a curfew instituted to calm the police down?

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32 Belafon  Aug 17, 2014 8:30:18pm

re: #27 danarchy

True. I guess my numbers are a bit more precise than they probably should be. Just trying to indicate that there probably were misses.

33 Shvaughn  Aug 17, 2014 8:30:21pm
34 HappyWarrior  Aug 17, 2014 8:30:27pm

re: #29 Lidane

He’ll never see the inside of a courtroom. Bet on it.

Yeah I’m highly skeptical about that. Not giving up hope about a federal indictment possibly.

35 The Great Eye  Aug 17, 2014 8:31:09pm

re: #29 Lidane

He’ll never see the inside of a courtroom. Bet on it.

I’ll take that bet.

36 klys  Aug 17, 2014 8:31:41pm

re: #35 The Great Eye

I’ll take that bet.

One assumes he’ll at least have to show up to testify to the grand jury.

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37 Charles Johnson  Aug 17, 2014 8:31:58pm
38 Lidane  Aug 17, 2014 8:31:59pm

re: #34 HappyWarrior

Yeah I’m highly skeptical about that. Not giving up hope about a federal indictment possibly.

Federal indictment or not, I just don’t see how they’re going to try this case anywhere in Missouri. The chance of putting a jury together after all this shit is less than nil.

39 Shvaughn  Aug 17, 2014 8:32:18pm

Meanwhile, Mia seems to have forgotten the Thatcher years…

40 Targetpractice  Aug 17, 2014 8:32:24pm

re: #37 Charles Johnson

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Like clockwork.

41 Lidane  Aug 17, 2014 8:32:31pm

re: #37 Charles Johnson

Because shooting him in the chest makes it SO much better.

What a fucking tool.

42 NJDhockeyfan  Aug 17, 2014 8:32:41pm
43 Shvaughn  Aug 17, 2014 8:33:05pm

re: #37 Charles Johnson

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And of course he was not shot in the chest.

44 Belafon  Aug 17, 2014 8:33:05pm

re: #33 Shvaughn

Maybe their trained to handle tear gas.

On a more serious side, the rest of the world gets to see what 1950s America was like, almost like a reenactment.

45 jaunte  Aug 17, 2014 8:33:13pm

re: #37 Charles Johnson

If it had been in the back, Hoft would have had the same reaction, with a different crime theory.

46 NJDhockeyfan  Aug 17, 2014 8:33:19pm

Shot fired by Dominos Pizza.
-scanner

47 HappyWarrior  Aug 17, 2014 8:34:00pm

re: #37 Charles Johnson

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And that justifies shooting him six times, Jim? You go home you pathetic murder rationalizing hack racist right wing piece of crap.

48 Lidane  Aug 17, 2014 8:34:21pm
49 Jenner7  Aug 17, 2014 8:34:38pm

re: #42 NJDhockeyfan

Doesn’t sound like he said “shot in the face”, sounds like “shot with this”.

50 HappyWarrior  Aug 17, 2014 8:34:44pm

re: #48 Lidane

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Damned good question.

51 allegro  Aug 17, 2014 8:34:48pm

Where is Captain Johnson? Was his empathic demeanor just a few days ago a façade?

52 klys  Aug 17, 2014 8:36:06pm

re: #51 allegro

Where is Captain Johnson? Was his empathic demeanor just a few days ago a façade?

I don’t think it was fake, I think he’s being undermined and put into positions where he really is being forced to act by police supposedly serving under his command, not to mention the actions of officers he has no control over, like the Ferguson PD chief.

53 RadicalModerate  Aug 17, 2014 8:36:41pm

re: #35 The Great Eye

I’ll take that bet.

Given how the legal system of Ferguson that we’ve witnessed firsthand this past week works, you think that the all-white grand jury that they assemble will return an indictment?

54 Belafon  Aug 17, 2014 8:36:58pm

re: #39 Shvaughn

Having seen Thatcher govern, and Fiorina run HP, women would be no more or less likely than men to fuck things up. What having women - and minorities - in the candidate pool do is increase our chance of getting the right person in the right job.

What I consider an anecdote: My drive to and from work every day consists of 40 total miles on the highway. I am doing +5 and I get passed by just as many women as men.

55 Charles Johnson  Aug 17, 2014 8:37:18pm
56 ausador  Aug 17, 2014 8:37:50pm

So apparently the police explanation for them launching this action before curfew was a march by an extremely large group of protestors going southwards from the protest area.

This was seen by the police as a possible attempt to overrun the police command post/staging area. The police also reported that the crowd was using molotov cocktails on them. Hence the sudden launching of smoke and tear gas with almost zero notice (5 seconds according to one press source) to the protestors.

Seems like most all of the press were at the North end so there are only a couple who saw the march. Still can’t find anyone who says they saw molotov cocktails being thrown though (besides the police).

57 klys  Aug 17, 2014 8:38:15pm

God help me, I think we are at the point where there does need to be intervention from some level, where a completely different set of people are pulled in to serve as the police. Putting a somewhat-separated individual in charge doesn’t help much when you have a whole bunch of people serving under him itching to strike back for the “wrongs” committed against them and for the black eye they’re being painted with in the media.

58 allegro  Aug 17, 2014 8:38:20pm

re: #52 klys

I don’t think it was fake, I think he’s being undermined and put into positions where he really is being forced to act by police supposedly serving under his command, not to mention the actions of officers he has no control over, like the Ferguson PD chief.

Who is shooting the tear gas. And why? (I missed the beginning of this tonight. Forgive the uninformed question. )

59 Shvaughn  Aug 17, 2014 8:39:29pm
60 Varek Raith  Aug 17, 2014 8:39:35pm

If molotovs were thrown, show the pics or gtfo.
Is this too much to ask?

61 OhNoZombies!  Aug 17, 2014 8:39:42pm

If I were to guess, the PD in Furguson has been fucking with the residents for a long time, and Mike Brown’s murder was the last straw.

62 Aunty Entity Dragon  Aug 17, 2014 8:39:53pm

re: #24 HappyWarrior

This was murder. Plain and simple. And for Wilson to receive any conviction less than is a severe indictment on our legal system.

I do not think for one minute he will even be indicted in state court. I would love to be wrong here, but unless Nixon appoints a special prosecutor, this case will be buried.

63 Lidane  Aug 17, 2014 8:40:03pm

re: #57 klys

THIS is the kind of shit you send the National Guard in for. Too bad they’d probably have to fight the cops instead of the protesters.

64 HappyWarrior  Aug 17, 2014 8:40:39pm

re: #59 Shvaughn

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This people is what real “thuggery” looks like. Take a note Jim Hoft and those other right wing hacks who call the president a thug.

65 Kilroy01  Aug 17, 2014 8:40:47pm

re: #63 Lidane

I’ll put $10 on the guardsmen.

66 Ojoe  Aug 17, 2014 8:40:47pm
67 Shvaughn  Aug 17, 2014 8:41:06pm
68 WhatEVs  Aug 17, 2014 8:41:10pm

re: #24 HappyWarrior

This was murder. Plain and simple. And for Wilson to receive any conviction less than is a severe indictment on our legal system.

More than just (if there is such a thing) murder. It was an outright execution.

69 klys  Aug 17, 2014 8:41:18pm

re: #58 allegro

Who is shooting the tear gas. And why? (I missed the beginning of this tonight. Forgive the uninformed question. )

Hell if I know which department fired the first volleys tonight. (This is frustration at the situation in general, not your question, which is fair.) Still a lot of conflicting reports coming out, and I think there are people on both sides at this point who will be unable to calm down without being taken away from the situation. It doesn’t take a lot of antagonism (for example) to provoke a response that would tie the Captain’s hands in terms of rules of engagement.

I’m unwilling to assume bad faith on the side of all parties involved but there’s a lot of people who are unhappy with how things have gone so far and willing to try to provoke a different response.

70 Lidane  Aug 17, 2014 8:41:44pm
71 HappyWarrior  Aug 17, 2014 8:41:50pm

re: #68 Joanne

More than just (if there is such a thing) murder. It was an outright execution.

Seriously, I hope Wilson never sees a day as a free man again.There’s no justification for this at all.

72 HappyWarrior  Aug 17, 2014 8:42:13pm

re: #70 Lidane

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Seriously wingnuts. Answer me that goddamnit.

73 gwangung  Aug 17, 2014 8:42:31pm

re: #67 Shvaughn

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Really? Or something ginned up by PD to justify tear gas attack?

They have lost the benefit of a doubt.

74 WhatEVs  Aug 17, 2014 8:42:53pm

re: #29 Lidane

He’ll never see the inside of a courtroom. Bet on it.

Nope. Not a chance. Any records the PD has are gone or doctored. There was a reason for all the delay. CYA all the way.

75 Lidane  Aug 17, 2014 8:42:57pm
76 The Great Eye  Aug 17, 2014 8:42:58pm

re: #53 RadicalModerate

I’ve said I’ll take the bet. I think at the very least he’ll get a federal charge for a civil rights violation.

77 jaunte  Aug 17, 2014 8:43:09pm

re: #66 Ojoe

Right now we have a police problem that needs to be worked on, and pretending to ignore the whole concept of race is just denialism.

78 NJDhockeyfan  Aug 17, 2014 8:43:33pm
79 Lidane  Aug 17, 2014 8:43:33pm

re: #75 Lidane

80 De Kolta Chair  Aug 17, 2014 8:44:07pm

re: #27 danarchy

Witnesses get the number of shots wrong pretty regularly. Overestimating in a situation like that isn’t uncommon. Or he missed…

It’s an old legal truism that witnesses often make the worst witnesses.

81 Shvaughn  Aug 17, 2014 8:44:28pm
82 Kilroy01  Aug 17, 2014 8:44:31pm

re: #73 gwangung

If the command center just got the news about the autopsy I have to admit letting the stew in the crowd for 2 hours is a receipt for disaster.

Not saying that is what happen but it does seem plausible.

83 Lidane  Aug 17, 2014 8:45:13pm

re: #76 The Great Eye

I’ve said I’ll take the bet. I think at the very least he’ll get a federal charge for a civil rights violation.

Being charged =/= being put on trial.

The chances of him ever being tried for executing Michael Brown are pretty much nil. Whatever evidence the cops had is either tainted or worthless, and there isn’t any way they’ll be able to seat a jury in the state after this shit.

84 Shvaughn  Aug 17, 2014 8:45:53pm
85 HappyWarrior  Aug 17, 2014 8:46:01pm

re: #77 jaunte

Right now we have a police problem that needs to be worked on, and pretending to ignore the whole concept of race is just denialism.

Right, in an ideal world, absolutely it would be nice to get over race division but the above Tweet makes a damn good point. If someone like Alex Holmes who committed mass murder could be taken alive. Why couldn’t Mike Brown for a much, much more petty crime. Why are unarmed blacks a much higher victim of police violence than unarmed whites? It’s not race or class baiting to point that out. Hell, I’d say it’s race and class baiting to just ignore it.

86 allegro  Aug 17, 2014 8:46:33pm

I keep getting flashbacks, that are accelerating, to 1968 Chicago after MLK’s murder. Ferguson is not going to stay in Ferguson.

87 ausador  Aug 17, 2014 8:46:36pm

re: #42 NJDhockeyfan

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Cop was pissed off because he was:

1. Ruining their night vision so that they couldn’t see anything.

2. Spotlighting them from behind so that they made perfect targets for anyone trying to get a bead on them.

Yeah the cop seemed a bit more amped up than he needed to be (to put it politely) but I would have been pissed too.

I was watching then and when he turned the light on I knew the cops weren’t going to like it. Didn’t realize the response would be quite so…vehement though. :(

88 Lidane  Aug 17, 2014 8:46:56pm
89 ipsos  Aug 17, 2014 8:47:03pm

Who’s the programming genius at MSNBC who lets them go straight from live coverage of Ferguson back to Lockup reruns, already in progress? Back to watching AJAM and Twitter.

90 HappyWarrior  Aug 17, 2014 8:47:42pm

re: #88 Lidane

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Bull Connor would be proud of these assholes.

91 The Great Eye  Aug 17, 2014 8:48:00pm

re: #83 Lidane

I think he’ll go on trial for a charge. I said I’d take the bet. I think he ends up ‘on the inside of a court room’ I thought I made that clear.

92 allegro  Aug 17, 2014 8:48:05pm

re: #76 The Great Eye

I’ve said I’ll take the bet. I think at the very least he’ll get a federal charge for a civil rights violation.

He might be rooming with Snowden by now.

93 Lidane  Aug 17, 2014 8:48:10pm
94 Targetpractice  Aug 17, 2014 8:48:24pm

re: #90 HappyWarrior

Bull Connor would be proud of these assholes.

Shit, over a week later and I’m still surprised they haven’t broken out the water cannon.

95 Shvaughn  Aug 17, 2014 8:48:32pm
96 WhatEVs  Aug 17, 2014 8:49:06pm

re: #76 The Great Eye

I’ve said I’ll take the bet. I think at the very least he’ll get a federal charge for a civil rights violation.

And I’d guess a civil suit.

97 Targetpractice  Aug 17, 2014 8:49:34pm

re: #95 Shvaughn

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The same system that saw a man beaten by cops and then charged with “destruction of property” for bleeding on their uniforms?

98 Lidane  Aug 17, 2014 8:49:34pm

re: #91 The Great Eye

I think he’ll go on trial for a charge. I said I’d take the bet. I think he ends up ‘on the inside of a court room’ I thought I made that clear.

The Ferguson PD gave this guy enough time to scrub his life and skip town before naming him. You think he’s going to go back to Missouri if he gets charged with anything? ROFL. Keep dreaming.

Guy’s probably in Mexico or somewhere out of the US by now.

99 Varek Raith  Aug 17, 2014 8:50:01pm

re: #95 Shvaughn

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Oh but you let him skip town, eh?
Weaksauce.

100 The Great Eye  Aug 17, 2014 8:50:34pm

re: #92 allegro

He might be rooming with Snowden by now.

If that’s the case then I’d accept his fleeing justice as being an admission of guilt. Folks are saying he need not even worry about standing trial here in the US so why would he run off to hang out with Snowjob?

101 ipsos  Aug 17, 2014 8:50:35pm

Do we have any clear sense of who, if anyone, is actually in command right now of the policing in Ferguson? Is it Ron Johnson and the highway patrol? Is it back to the county force and the FPD? Some combination of the three?

102 Kid A  Aug 17, 2014 8:50:51pm
103 gwangung  Aug 17, 2014 8:51:13pm

re: #95 Shvaughn

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Whitesplaining at its best.

104 HappyWarrior  Aug 17, 2014 8:51:21pm

re: #102 Kid A

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That racist prick won’t be satisfied until there’s a full out race war.

105 Lidane  Aug 17, 2014 8:51:34pm
106 Targetpractice  Aug 17, 2014 8:51:36pm

re: #98 Lidane

The Ferguson PD gave this guy enough time to scrub his life and skip town before naming him. You think he’s going to go back to Missouri if he gets charged with anything? ROFL. Keep dreaming.

Guy’s probably in Mexico or somewhere out of the US by now.

That was my first thought as well. The guy’s at least out of the state, if not the country. I doubt very much that, if charges are brought against him, the FPD will be very forthcoming with his whereabouts, assuming they know where he is.

107 The Great Eye  Aug 17, 2014 8:52:10pm

re: #98 Lidane

The Ferguson PD gave this guy enough time to scrub his life and skip town before naming him. You think he’s going to go back to Missouri if he gets charged with anything? ROFL. Keep dreaming.

Guy’s probably in Mexico or somewhere out of the US by now.

So we’ve gone from “I’ll bet he’ll never stand trial” to “He’ll flee the US to avoid justice” this is quite a bit of goal post moving, why would he flee the country if there’s no chance he’ll ever get charged with anything?

108 TedStriker  Aug 17, 2014 8:52:23pm

re: #98 Lidane

The Ferguson PD gave this guy enough time to scrub his life and skip town before naming him. You think he’s going to go back to Missouri if he gets charged with anything? ROFL. Keep dreaming.

Guy’s probably in Mexico or somewhere out of the US by now.

The only reason we even have a face to put with the name is because his dad didn’t also scrub his online presence and had the pic of Darren receiving that commendation on his FB page, IIRC.

109 ninja cat  Aug 17, 2014 8:52:33pm

re: #51 allegro

Where is Captain Johnson? Was his empathic demeanor just a few days ago a façade?

I don’t doubt his empathy was genuine, but I do question the intent of thise putting him in as a figurehead but apparently not putting him in charge.

110 Aunty Entity Dragon  Aug 17, 2014 8:52:45pm

re: #86 allegro

I keep getting flashbacks, that are accelerating, to 1968 Chicago after MLK’s murder. Ferguson is not going to stay in Ferguson.

I think aspects of this will go nationwide. The mass demonstrations with hands raised will be with us from now on.

111 Shvaughn  Aug 17, 2014 8:53:57pm
112 BeachDem  Aug 17, 2014 8:54:43pm

re: #68 Joanne

More than just (if there is such a thing) murder. It was an outright execution.

And what I really can’t wrap my head around is why it means so much to people like Hoft and Loesch etc. for that not to be true? Why are they so invested in the “righteous” killing of an unarmed young man? It’s just hard for me to fathom that people can be that totally hateful and racist. It makes me so sad—and I’m not there, and I’m not black, so I cannot even imagine what that kind of hate feels like first-hand.

113 HappyWarrior  Aug 17, 2014 8:54:50pm

re: #111 Shvaughn

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Betting now the nuts will cry that Obama is coming back from his vacation.

114 OhNoZombies!  Aug 17, 2014 8:55:16pm

re: #95 Shvaughn

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Ah, no. Black folks understand the system. What is not understood is why the system works differently if you have a darker complexion.
In other words, if the shooter was black, he would have been underneath the jail by now.

115 Aunty Entity Dragon  Aug 17, 2014 8:55:27pm

I had intended to go to bed about now before getting that procedure in my back in the morning, but I guess not.

116 danarchy  Aug 17, 2014 8:55:35pm

re: #109 ninja cat

I don’t doubt his empathy was genuine, but I do question the intent of thise putting him in as a figurehead but apparently not putting him in charge.

Weren’t there some tweets in the last thread from a reporter who said captain Johnson had personally put cuffs on him?

117 Shvaughn  Aug 17, 2014 8:55:42pm
118 Kid A  Aug 17, 2014 8:56:10pm
119 Shvaughn  Aug 17, 2014 8:56:15pm

re: #116 danarchy

Weren’t there some tweets in the last thread from a reporter who said captain Johnson had personally put cuffs on him?

Yup.

120 HappyWarrior  Aug 17, 2014 8:56:25pm

re: #112 BeachDem

And what I really can’t wrap my head around is why it means so much to people like Hoft and Loesch etc. for that not to be true? Why are they so invested in the “righteous” killing of an unarmed young man? It’s just hard for me to fathom that people can be that totally hateful and racist. It makes me so sad—and I’m not there, and I’m not black, so I cannot even imagine what that kind of hate feels like first-hand.

I can’t fathom it either really but then I see how much violence was done because black people were being made to go to the same schools, etc as white people. People like Hoft and Loesch are from that same mindset. They may not be out and out violent like the posse that killed the three Civil Rights workers 50 years ago but they are just as bigoted.

121 Aunty Entity Dragon  Aug 17, 2014 8:56:27pm

re: #113 HappyWarrior

Betting now the nuts will cry that Obama is coming back from his vacation.

Obummer’s thug son would look like Mike. Obummer hugz thuz hurr hurr hurr

122 Lidane  Aug 17, 2014 8:57:02pm

re: #107 The Great Eye

So we’ve gone from “I’ll bet he’ll never stand trial” to “He’ll flee the US to avoid justice” this is quite a bit of goal post moving, why would he flee the country if there’s no chance he’ll ever get charged with anything?

I’m not moving the goal posts at all. He’s not going to get charged with anything precisely because the Ferguson PD were in on this from the start.

The Ferguson PD have done everything they can to aid and abet Darren Wilson’s escape from justice. They let him skip town. They held off naming him until several days AFTER he’d already left town. They’ve withheld the autopsy report. They’ve withheld the real incident report. They gave Michael Brown’s murderer enough time to scrub his entire online life and disappear. They released a completely unrelated video over the objections of the FBI and DOJ to turn him into a criminal and thug.

They’ve gone out of their way to poison the well from the beginning to make Mike Brown the aggressor and the villain and to let his killer go free. That’s why he will never see the inside of a courtroom.

123 Varek Raith  Aug 17, 2014 8:57:20pm

I always laughed at people criticizing any PotUS for going on ‘vacation’.
Protip; It ain’t a vacation when you have a freaking command center within yards of your every location.
;)

124 WhatEVs  Aug 17, 2014 8:57:22pm

re: #112 BeachDem

And what I really can’t wrap my head around is why it means so much to people like Hoft and Loesch etc. for that not to be true? Why are they so invested in the “righteous” killing of an unarmed young man? It’s just hard for me to fathom that people can be that totally hateful and racist. It makes me so sad—and I’m not there, and I’m not black, so I cannot even imagine what that kind of hate feels like first-hand.

Because:

1. Race. They are invested in us v them and makers v takers. Obamaphones! FTW!

2. Libs for it? They’re against it. Libs against it? They’re for it. It’s left/right all the way.

3. It’s a continuation bet for their daily bullshit.

125 Charles Johnson  Aug 17, 2014 8:57:26pm
126 Aunty Entity Dragon  Aug 17, 2014 8:58:09pm

re: #122 Lidane

Not in state court, but federal court is something else completely, and they can move the venue.

127 ninja cat  Aug 17, 2014 8:58:23pm

re: #95 Shvaughn

I think the black community understands the system perfectly clear.

128 allegro  Aug 17, 2014 8:58:38pm

re: #107 The Great Eye

So we’ve gone from “I’ll bet he’ll never stand trial” to “He’ll flee the US to avoid justice” this is quite a bit of goal post moving, why would he flee the country if there’s no chance he’ll ever get charged with anything?

Fleeing justice that is being bastardized is his favor are not mutually exclusive.

129 WhatEVs  Aug 17, 2014 8:58:45pm

re: #115 Aunty Entity Dragon

I had intended to go to bed about now before getting that procedure in my back in the morning, but I guess not.

Take care of yourself. Nothing any of us (or they, there in the ground in MO) do or say will change anything. Unfortunately.

130 Shazam  Aug 17, 2014 8:58:47pm

It’s sad when, in hindsight, you’d have had better chances of survival if you had kept running instead of surrendering to the police.

131 The Great Eye  Aug 17, 2014 8:59:24pm

re: #122 Lidane

I’m not moving the goal posts at all. He’s not going to get charged with anything precisely because the Ferguson PD were in on this from the start.

The Ferguson PD have done everything they can to aid and abet Darren Wilson’s escape from justice. They let him skip town. They held off naming him until several days AFTER he’d already left town. They’ve withheld the autopsy report. They’ve withheld the real incident report. They gave Michael Brown’s murderer enough time to scrub his entire online life and disappear. They released a completely unrelated video over the objections of the FBI and DOJ to turn him into a criminal and thug.

They’ve gone out of their way to poison the well from the beginning to make Mike Brown the aggressor and the villain and to let his killer go free. That’s why he will never see the inside of a courtroom.

This all started because you said you would bet he’ll never see the inside of a court-room and I said I’ll take that bet. So do we have a bet and if so what are the stakes?

132 Charles Johnson  Aug 17, 2014 9:00:15pm
133 Aunty Entity Dragon  Aug 17, 2014 9:00:28pm

re: #127 ninja cat

I think the black community understands the system perfectly clear.

Magua say, “Understand English very well.”

134 klys  Aug 17, 2014 9:00:57pm

re: #132 Charles Johnson

Tom doesn’t want to pretend his beliefs are unjust, how cute.

135 Shvaughn  Aug 17, 2014 9:01:36pm
136 Kid A  Aug 17, 2014 9:02:46pm
137 Shvaughn  Aug 17, 2014 9:03:03pm

Ain’t that America

138 GlutenFreeJesus  Aug 17, 2014 9:03:17pm

re: #98 Lidane

The Ferguson PD gave this guy enough time to scrub his life and skip town before naming him. You think he’s going to go back to Missouri if he gets charged with anything? ROFL. Keep dreaming.

Guy’s probably in Mexico or somewhere out of the US by now.

Probably planning to run for public office in West Virginia.

139 Aunty Entity Dragon  Aug 17, 2014 9:03:41pm

We used castor oil to counteract the stinging from Skydrol hydraulic fluid, along with milk. I wonder if castor oil would work with tear gas.

140 Shvaughn  Aug 17, 2014 9:03:55pm

re: #138 GlutenFreeJesus

Probably planning to run for public office in West Virginia.

New Fox News crime expert.

141 jaunte  Aug 17, 2014 9:04:15pm
142 WhatEVs  Aug 17, 2014 9:04:27pm

re: #132 Charles Johnson

143 Aunty Entity Dragon  Aug 17, 2014 9:05:07pm

re: #137 Shvaughn

Ain’t that America

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And an awful lot of those people in LE uniforms see utterly nothing remarkable or wrong with that picture. Moreover, they would mock and insult us for not agreeing with them.

144 goddamnedfrank  Aug 17, 2014 9:05:09pm

re: #18 Jenner7

“Mr. Brown, 18, was also shot four times in the right arm, he said, adding that all the bullets were fired into his front.”

I thought witnesses said he was running and shot, then spun around?

The jerk and stop could have been Brown reacting to pain from the shot that reportedly was fired from within the car.

145 bratwurst  Aug 17, 2014 9:05:29pm

re: #113 HappyWarrior

Betting now the nuts will cry that Obama is coming back from his vacation.

He wouldn’t be cutting his vacation short if a WHITE PERSON got shot and killed by the police!

146 Sherlock Hound  Aug 17, 2014 9:05:34pm

re: #39 Shvaughn

The mom of the Boston Marathon bombers was a honest-no-kidding jihadist. The only reason she’s not in detention is that she was busted for shoplifting but skipped back home, where she still is.

147 Rightwingconspirator  Aug 17, 2014 9:06:46pm

re: #139 Aunty Entity Dragon

We used castor oil to counteract the stinging from Skydrol hydraulic fluid, along with milk. I wonder if castor oil would work with tear gas.

Occupy had worked up a few tricks, vinegar rags IIRC.
chemistry.about.com

The best defense against tear gas is a gas mask, but if you don’t have a mask there are still steps you can take to minimize damage from tear gas. If you think you might encounter tear gas you can soak a bandana or paper towel in lemon juice or cider vinegar and store it in a plastic baggie. You can breathe through the acidified cloth for several minutes, which should give you sufficient time to get upwind or reach higher ground. Goggles are a great thing to have. You can use tight-fitting swim goggles if chemical safety goggles aren’t available. Don’t wear contacts anywhere you might encounter tear gas. If you are wearing contact lenses, immediately remove them. Your contacts are a loss as is anything else you can’t wash. You can wear your clothes again after you wash them, but wash them separately that first time. If you don’t have goggles or any sort of mask, you can breathe the air inside your shirt, since there is less air circulation and therefore a lower concentration of the gas, but that is counterproductive once the fabric becomes saturated.

148 Targetpractice  Aug 17, 2014 9:07:47pm

re: #124 Joanne

Because:

1. Race. They are invested in us v them and makers v takers. Obamaphones! FTW!

2. Libs for it? They’re against it. Libs against it? They’re for it. It’s left/right all the way.

3. It’s a continuation bet for their daily bullshit.

1 & 2 are pretty much joined at the hip. Hoft, Loesch, Limbaugh, and other bloviating dumbasses are heavily invested in the idea that black folks act like criminals because liberals have “held them down” with things like welfare and affirmative action. So when you get incidents like this that become national news, the first instinct is to ignore it. When that fails, they proceed to look for some way to pin the blame on the victim, so they can then say that they were right think that it was just another “thug” getting shot for breaking the law.

149 Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 17, 2014 9:07:48pm

Ok so do we have TWO incompetent police forces in Missouri?

I know it was the St. Louis county police that rolled out all the military toys earlier, but apparently tonight its the Ferguson PD that is threatening reporters and tear gassing innocents?

150 TedStriker  Aug 17, 2014 9:09:05pm

re: #132 Charles Johnson

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Interesting fellow:

Michael M. Baden (born July 27, 1934)[1] is a physician and board-certified forensic pathologist known for his work investigating high-profile deaths and as a host of HBO’s Autopsy.[2] He is also the Forensic Science Contributor for Fox News Channel. He has been the author or co-author of more than eighty professional articles and books on aspects of forensic medicine and also of two popular non-fiction books, Unnatural Death: Confessions of a Medical Examiner and Dead Reckoning: the New Science of Catching Killers. He and his wife have written the thriller Remains Silent.

Education and personal life[edit]
Baden is of German descent. He received his medical degree from New York University School of Medicine in 1960.[3]

He is married to Linda Kenney-Baden who served as one of Phil Spector’s main attorneys during his capital murder trial and replaced Bruce Cutler after his withdrawal from the proceedings. [4] They have four children.

Professional career[edit]
Baden was the Chief Medical Examiner for the City of New York from 1978 to 1979.

He has been a consulting/lead pathologist and an expert witness on a number of high-profile cases and investigations including:[2][5]

Chairman of the Forensic Pathology Panel of the House Select Committee on Assassinations that reinvestigated the John F. Kennedy assassination.
Giving testimony at the trial of O. J. Simpson.
Investigating the remains of Czar Nicholas II and family members.[2]
Sid Vicious’s death.
Claus von Bülow’s criminal trial.
John Belushi’s death.
Lisa McPherson’s death.[6]
As a defense witness in Phil Spector’s murder trial. He was reportedly paid $250,000.[7] Baden’s wife was legal co-counsel for Spector at the time.[4]
Richard Kuklinski’s death.
Kathleen Savio’s death.
Sergeant Evan Vela’s court martial.[8]
Gathering evidence against Byron De La Beckwith, who was facing his third trial for murder in the death of Medgar Evers. De La Beckwith was found guilty and sentenced to life imprisonment.
Baden maintains a private forensic pathology consulting practice and is the co-director of the New York State Police Medicolegal Investigation Unit.

On June 11, 2009, it was reported that Baden was hired by the family of the late actor David Carradine to investigate the cause of Carradine’s death in a Bangkok hotel room. According to press reports, Baden’s initial conclusion is that Carradine’s death was not the result of suicide. He is also a frequent guest on Fox News’ late-night satire program Red Eye w/ Greg Gutfeld where he is known as the “Death Correspondent”.

151 Kid A  Aug 17, 2014 9:09:12pm

There was some serious wingnut fail this week. I know they fail daily, I just mean more than usual.

152 Aunty Entity Dragon  Aug 17, 2014 9:10:10pm

Off to bed then. :(

153 Shvaughn  Aug 17, 2014 9:10:36pm

Activist medical examiner.

154 Lidane  Aug 17, 2014 9:10:44pm

Question: The above tweet is 12 hours old. Is the autopsy we’re discussing in this thread the same one that the DOJ asked for or will that be a separate one?

155 Rightwingconspirator  Aug 17, 2014 9:10:44pm

CNN guys report getting hit directly by tear gas canisters. Lovely. LRADs again. Not even curfew yet.

156 jaunte  Aug 17, 2014 9:10:48pm

re: #151 Kid A

It happens when they’re desperately trying to make the story something other than what it is.

157 klys  Aug 17, 2014 9:11:14pm

re: #154 Lidane

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Question: The above tweet is 12 hours old. Is the autopsy we’re discussing in this thread the same one that the DOJ asked for or will that be a separate one?

Separate. There will ultimately be 3 done.

158 WhatEVs  Aug 17, 2014 9:11:57pm

re: #150 TedStriker

Thanks.

Red Eye is satire?!

159 Kilroy01  Aug 17, 2014 9:11:59pm

re: #157 klys

Separate. There will ultimately be 3 done.

Hopefully the FEDs get to inspect the clothing.

160 WhatEVs  Aug 17, 2014 9:12:29pm

re: #152 Aunty Entity Dragon

Off to bed then. :(

Take care. Good luck tomorrow!!

161 jaunte  Aug 17, 2014 9:12:45pm

Don’t medical examiners usually get to look at the victim’s clothing?

162 GlutenFreeJesus  Aug 17, 2014 9:12:47pm

re: #159 Kilroy01

Hopefully the FEDs get to inspect the clothing.

“Oh. We can’t seem to find the clothing. Wink wink”

163 Lidane  Aug 17, 2014 9:13:33pm

re: #157 klys

Separate. There will ultimately be 3 done.

OK, thanks. So if this one was requested by the family, I’d guess it will come to play in a civil suit of some kind. The DOJ one would be used in a federal case. And whatever the Ferguson PD did will show that Mike Brown died of anything other than six gunshots.

164 Lidane  Aug 17, 2014 9:15:01pm
165 Shvaughn  Aug 17, 2014 9:15:08pm
166 Shvaughn  Aug 17, 2014 9:17:09pm
167 allegro  Aug 17, 2014 9:17:22pm

re: #155 Rightwingconspirator

CNN guys report getting hit directly by tear gas canisters. Lovely. LRADs again. Not even curfew yet.

That’s what I’ve been trying to figure out. Why? All I’ve been able to find was that protesters were getting “to close” to the cop command station. What does that mean? What is “too close”?

This suggests that there was no incident or particular reason for this renewed escalation but for some made-up excuse. Anyone else got anything?

168 Shvaughn  Aug 17, 2014 9:18:11pm
169 Shvaughn  Aug 17, 2014 9:19:18pm
170 HappyWarrior  Aug 17, 2014 9:19:42pm

re: #168 Shvaughn

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Such a pathetically naive attitude.

171 RadicalModerate  Aug 17, 2014 9:21:12pm

re: #165 Shvaughn

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Not exactly what I would call a reliable source on that article:

About the Author: Duane Lester
Duane Lester has been an outspoken political activist since launching All American Blogger in 2007. Since that time he has been a contributor at the American Issues Project, Pajamas Media and served as Editor in Chief at Liberty News prior to launching The Missouri Torch. His articles have been featured on nationally syndicated talk broadcasts like the Michael Savage Show and he is a frequent guest on the #1 rated, daily syndicated Dana Loesch radio program. In 2012, Duane was the recipient of the first Breitbart Blogger Award.

172 Shvaughn  Aug 17, 2014 9:21:34pm
173 Ryan King  Aug 17, 2014 9:22:21pm
174 Lidane  Aug 17, 2014 9:22:30pm

re: #168 Shvaughn

Sounds exactly like the same Bush era horseshit that landed us with the Patriot Act. “If you’ve got nothing to hide why worry?”

Stupidity writ large.

175 Targetpractice  Aug 17, 2014 9:23:41pm

re: #170 HappyWarrior

Such a pathetically naive attitude.

No shit. Even as a straight white male, I know that there’s plenty of cops out there who prey on people not knowing their rights and being afraid of challenging authority.

176 Shvaughn  Aug 17, 2014 9:24:23pm
177 De Kolta Chair  Aug 17, 2014 9:24:29pm

re: #165 Shvaughn

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Let me guess, the Spartacists? They have a long history of fecking up demos.

178 Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 17, 2014 9:24:39pm

re: #173 Ryan King

Well shit. I knew it was just a matter of time.

179 HappyWarrior  Aug 17, 2014 9:24:46pm

re: #174 Lidane

Sounds exactly like the same Bush era horseshit that landed us with the Patriot Act. “If you’ve got nothing to hide why worry?”

Stupidity writ large.

It’s also the same attitude that freaks out when someone other than them has anything resembling authority. I guarantee Mr. Bates and many of his fellow Wilson protesters thought Cliven Bundy was getting a raw deal.

180 Varek Raith  Aug 17, 2014 9:24:54pm

Dammit.

181 WhatEVs  Aug 17, 2014 9:25:10pm

re: #178 Eclectic Cyborg

Well shit. I knew it was just a matter of time.

Sounds like it was a car accident.

182 Shvaughn  Aug 17, 2014 9:25:21pm
183 HappyWarrior  Aug 17, 2014 9:25:31pm

re: #175 Targetpractice

No shit. Even as a straight white male, I know that there’s plenty of cops out there who prey on people not knowing their rights and being afraid of challenging authority.

Right, same. This attitude is just pathetic.

184 Shvaughn  Aug 17, 2014 9:26:13pm
185 Kid A  Aug 17, 2014 9:26:15pm

It’s been a bad night for the Dumbest Man on the Internet. The video is a fake.

186 ausador  Aug 17, 2014 9:27:12pm

re: #149 Eclectic Cyborg

Ok so do we have TWO incompetent police forces in Missouri?

I know it was the St. Louis county police that rolled out all the military toys earlier, but apparently tonight its the Ferguson PD that is threatening reporters and tear gassing innocents?

The same police forces are still there and have been from day one.

You have officers from Ferguson, officers from St. Louis county, officers from the state police, officers from the state highway patrol, and officers called in from surrounding towns.

Originally the command for all of this was given to the St. Louis county police chief. Then after several nights of heavy handed policing the command was changed by the governor and given to the State Highway patrol. Captain Johnson of the Highway patrol is the one seen talking to the community and who has been attempting to coordinate a less forceful police response.

But he isn’t really in charge like many people assume, there is a major there who is his superior officer, whatever his name is…

187 Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 17, 2014 9:27:36pm

re: #185 Kid A

What I wouldn’t give to punch that man square in the jaw.

188 Shvaughn  Aug 17, 2014 9:27:49pm

I’m out for a bit, night lizards.

189 Varek Raith  Aug 17, 2014 9:28:34pm

re: #187 Eclectic Cyborg

What I wouldn’t give to punch that man square in the jaw.

Way too dense, think of your poor hand.

190 Ryan King  Aug 17, 2014 9:28:48pm
191 BeachDem  Aug 17, 2014 9:29:10pm

re: #175 Targetpractice

No shit. Even as a straight white male, I know that there’s plenty of cops out there who prey on people not knowing their rights and being afraid of challenging authority.

Hell, even ChuckyC Johnson knows that, since a cop took his fireworks away one July 4.

192 danarchy  Aug 17, 2014 9:29:50pm

re: #190 Ryan King

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Unfortunately there is also a lot more misinformation.

193 WhatEVs  Aug 17, 2014 9:30:43pm

re: #192 danarchy

Unfortunately there is also a lot more misinformation.

That’s why I’m not tweeting. Way too much BS out in the twittersphere.

194 Lidane  Aug 17, 2014 9:30:49pm
195 Lidane  Aug 17, 2014 9:32:14pm
196 Charles Johnson  Aug 17, 2014 9:33:38pm
197 OhNoZombies!  Aug 17, 2014 9:35:00pm

Since I got rid of cable/satellite, this is my first stop for the news. It’s much quicker than trying to cut through all the BS.

198 Lidane  Aug 17, 2014 9:35:48pm
199 Lidane  Aug 17, 2014 9:38:35pm
200 Ryan King  Aug 17, 2014 9:41:51pm

re: #199 Lidane

Bullet hole through palm, bullet hole in eye… hands up, same bullet goes through hand into eye.

Hands Up, Don’t Shoot

Kid got gunned down for shit.

201 Ryan King  Aug 17, 2014 9:47:53pm

Seems like things are settling down. The bodies appear to be from a car crash. Not sure they’re dead.

May make it through the night without any more violence… but this is only just beginning.

202 Kragar  Aug 17, 2014 9:48:10pm

Had a very disappointing conversation with my mother earlier. She’s just been following this on TV and has fallen for the Ferguson’s PD story hook, line, and sinker.

“Did you see the photo of him sitting at the table with the hand gun?”

“Mom, that was a completely different kid from an unrelated incident.

SMH

203 ausador  Aug 17, 2014 9:48:26pm

Missed this one from about half an hour ago.

204 Lidane  Aug 17, 2014 9:49:56pm
205 Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 17, 2014 9:52:03pm

re: #204 Lidane

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Again, it’s like something out of the 1960s.

206 ausador  Aug 17, 2014 9:52:09pm
207 Single-handed sailor  Aug 17, 2014 9:52:23pm

Media being told they need to get back to the media staging area at the command center.

208 Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 17, 2014 9:53:19pm

I blame the police and a good number of the media for escalating this thing way higher than was necessary.

What a damned mess.

209 WhatEVs  Aug 17, 2014 9:55:02pm

The host on MSNBC sucks. Stupid questions and assumptions.

210 OhNoZombies!  Aug 17, 2014 9:55:29pm

re: #206 ausador

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Oy vey.

211 allegro  Aug 17, 2014 9:59:36pm

re: #175 Targetpractice

No shit. Even as a straight white male, I know that there’s plenty of cops out there who prey on people not knowing their rights and being afraid of challenging authority.

You can know your rights and still not want to challenge them due to the power they wield. Some years ago, I was taking a few days away in my motor home when my hubby was out of the country. I was traveling at or below the speed limit when a cop car started to follow me. When the light went on to pull me over, I figured there must be something wrong with my rig or something because I was doing nothing illegal.

I pulled over and went to the door where a cop was standing with his hand on his gun. He asked me to exit the rig. I did. He asked if I was alone. I said I was. He asked again. Again, I answered that I was. Just me and my 3 dogs. He said they were looking for drugs and/or guns and could they run their dog around my rig. I said yes, knowing there was no contraband but thinking WTF, I was stopped for NO reason.

I stood on the side of the highway with my dogs while the dog sniffed all around the outside of my rig. During that time, I had quite a friendly conversation with the other cop, all so every cordial and quite disturbing at the same time because I was feeling really intimidated by the whole thing.

Then it got weird. The cop asked me if any of my dogs were in heat. Something told me to answer in the affirmative even though all of them were spayed. (If asked for proof, I could tip over my 4 pound peekaboo who had an enormous patootie that made her appear always in heat. Heh.) The cop then asked for my permission to take the drug/gun sniffing dog inside my rig. I did not want that. A lot I didn’t want that and I knew that I didn’t have to allow it. I also knew that if I refused, they could simply impound my rig, take us to jail and I could spend a couple thousand bucks later fighting it in court to have it dismissed because I was stopped for no reason at all.

I allowed it knowing that dog was going to react positively to several years of marijuana residue inside the rig. Fortunately, a female dog in heat would also result in an excited response. I took my chances, praying the cop wouldn’t find a runaway grass seed somewhere. He sure looked. When I got back in later, every cabinet and drawer was opened. He’d even piled through my underwear. VERY disturbing, as any woman will attest.

When he came out, the two cops talked and then told me I was free to go on my way. That was that. Drive safe and have a nice day. But I couldn’t. The more I thought about it, the more freaked out I got. I felt helpless, completely at their mercy to really fuck up my life even though I had done nothing to warrant being stopped but driving an RV on Hwy 59.

And I’m a white woman.

213 jaunte  Aug 17, 2014 10:01:34pm
214 ausador  Aug 17, 2014 10:03:19pm
215 OhNoZombies!  Aug 17, 2014 10:05:54pm

Got a good photo of Mike Brown.
I think I’m gonna draw him.
It’s all just so sad.

216 Targetpractice  Aug 17, 2014 10:10:35pm

Really should go to bed, because I just know I’m gonna be back up in a few hours to dozens of wingnuts telling me that these autopsy results finally prove that all the eyewitnesses are liars. Why? Because they thought they saw him get shot in the back, but all the shots are from the front, so obviously they made the entire story up.

217 sagehen  Aug 17, 2014 10:11:50pm

re: #17 Targetpractice

The article notes that Baden didn’t have access to Brown’s clothing, which is still in the possession of the police.

They’ve had a whole week, it should be easy enough to add gunshot residue to the clothing before turning it over.

218 Jenner7  Aug 17, 2014 10:16:03pm
219 HKatz  Aug 17, 2014 10:16:30pm

re: #216 Targetpractice

I’ve already seen someone on Twitter argue that “at least 6 shots” is different than 9 or so shots reported by witnesses - not seeming to see how the two could be the same (or that the police officer might have missed initially).

220 klys  Aug 17, 2014 10:18:16pm

re: #219 HKatz

Welcome, hatchling.

221 gwangung  Aug 17, 2014 10:18:39pm

re: #219 HKatz

I’ve already seen someone on Twitter argue that “at least 6 shots” is different than 9 or so shots reported by witnesses - not seeming to see how the two could be the same (or that the police officer might have missed initially).

Heard reports of at least one bullet being dug out of a building wall.

Hm. Wonder how that fits in….

222 HKatz  Aug 17, 2014 10:18:52pm

re: #217 sagehen

You’d think there would need to be gunshot residue on the skin if Brown was shot at close range (for instance, when trying to grab the gun), and there appears to be no such residue at this point.

223 HKatz  Aug 17, 2014 10:22:07pm

re: #220 klys

Thanks. The truth is, I signed up for an account here because I needed someplace to vent a little. Feeling upset and frustrated about how many people don’t seem to want to understand what’s going on in Ferguson or the point of view of the people who live there and want accountability and honest answers.

224 teleskiguy  Aug 17, 2014 10:23:44pm

A tale of two states. The Missouri Highway Patrol have got their hands full with civil unrest in north St. Louis County. The Colorado State Patrol are geared up for the United States’ premier bicycle race.

225 Jenner7  Aug 17, 2014 10:23:57pm

re: #223 HKatz

Same here, Hkatz. It’s very frustrating. My family is tired of me yelling at the TV. lol

226 klys  Aug 17, 2014 10:24:52pm

re: #223 HKatz

Thanks. The truth is, I signed up for an account here because I needed someplace to vent a little. Feeling upset and frustrated about how many people don’t seem to want to understand what’s going on in Ferguson or the point of view of the people who live there and want accountability and honest answers.

Twitter is definitely not the place to find that, but we tend to be pretty good here. Facts are appreciated and folks do their best to vet sources.

Also, we do lots of food posts and cats.

Caaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat.

227 Charles Johnson  Aug 17, 2014 10:25:08pm

Unfollowed Tom Nichols for good tonight. That was it for me.

228 gwangung  Aug 17, 2014 10:25:46pm

re: #223 HKatz

Thanks. The truth is, I signed up for an account here because I needed someplace to vent a little. Feeling upset and frustrated about how many people don’t seem to want to understand what’s going on in Ferguson or the point of view of the people who live there and want accountability and honest answers.

Amen, sir, amen….

229 Kragar  Aug 17, 2014 10:25:46pm

re: #227 Charles Johnson

Unfollowed Tom Nichols for good tonight. That was it for me.

I dropped him a while back, no regrets there

230 klys  Aug 17, 2014 10:26:04pm

re: #227 Charles Johnson

Unfollowed Tom Nichols for good tonight. That was it for me.

I make it a general rule to only follow people with decent reading comprehension.

231 BeachDem  Aug 17, 2014 10:31:23pm
232 ausador  Aug 17, 2014 10:38:48pm
233 BeachDem  Aug 17, 2014 10:40:03pm

re: #232 ausador

Wow.

234 Shvaughn  Aug 17, 2014 10:42:40pm
235 Snarknado!  Aug 17, 2014 10:43:06pm

re: #230 klys

I make it a general rule to only follow people with decent reading comprehension.

I read LGF so I won’t need to do twitter.

236 Charles Johnson  Aug 17, 2014 10:44:19pm
237 Kragar  Aug 17, 2014 10:51:02pm
238 Stephen T.  Aug 17, 2014 10:51:25pm

re: #204 Lidane

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What depresses me most is that far too many people in the U.S. will answer “Yes” to both questions without feeling any guilt, without any irony, and with plenty of people around them nodding quietly in agreement.

239 sagehen  Aug 17, 2014 10:51:28pm

re: #138 GlutenFreeJesus

Probably planning to run for public office in West Virginia.

Idaho.

240 EPR-radar  Aug 17, 2014 11:11:21pm

re: #57 klys

God help me, I think we are at the point where there does need to be intervention from some level, where a completely different set of people are pulled in to serve as the police. Putting a somewhat-separated individual in charge doesn’t help much when you have a whole bunch of people serving under him itching to strike back for the “wrongs” committed against them and for the black eye they’re being painted with in the media.

Agreed. I suspect this is what Rep. Lewis had in mind with his apparently radical suggestion a few days ago that the Feds should come in and declare martial law.

thehill.com

241 klys  Aug 17, 2014 11:12:50pm
242 Kragar  Aug 17, 2014 11:17:00pm
243 The War TARDIS  Aug 17, 2014 11:17:56pm

re: #242 Kragar

Wow. Only, what, a few years?

244 TedStriker  Aug 17, 2014 11:18:03pm

re: #242 Kragar

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I’ll believe that when I see it.

245 ausador  Aug 17, 2014 11:18:29pm
246 EPR-radar  Aug 17, 2014 11:19:41pm

re: #241 klys

I’m sure I’ve seen that rice is a major crop in CA before, but I forget it every time. Crimes against nature like rice paddies in an arid/semi-arid climate will do that to me.

247 klys  Aug 17, 2014 11:21:49pm

re: #246 EPR-radar

I’m sure I’ve seen that rice is a major crop in CA before, but I forget it every time. Crimes against nature like rice paddies in an arid/semi-arid climate will do that to me.

Yep.

248 Shvaughn  Aug 17, 2014 11:26:01pm

Yet another attempt to smear Brown in order to retroactively justify his killing: he allegedly sang rap songs.

I’m sure the cop knew about his singing too. If it’s even him.

249 Shvaughn  Aug 17, 2014 11:27:00pm

There is nothing so vile that white racists will not say in order to justify a dead black boy.

250 ausador  Aug 17, 2014 11:27:31pm

They maced him while he was on the ground in handcuffs, right at the press area and then kicked the press out. Cops are totally getting out of hand…

251 ausador  Aug 17, 2014 11:30:54pm

Sigh…

252 Single-handed sailor  Aug 17, 2014 11:31:50pm

re: #246 EPR-radar

I’m sure I’ve seen that rice is a major crop in CA before, but I forget it every time. Crimes against nature like rice paddies in an arid/semi-arid climate will do that to me.

You can see it growing from Highway 50 between Davis and Sacramento.

253 allegro  Aug 17, 2014 11:32:52pm

re: #250 ausador

They maced him while he was on the ground in handcuffs, right at the press area and then kicked the press out. Cops are totally getting out of hand…

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I dig that there are political issues, but I am taking back the positive stuff I thought/said about Captain Johnson a couple of days ago unless I get more info to support it. Right now, I’m feeling conned. Wondering how the people of Ferguson are feeling.

254 Shvaughn  Aug 17, 2014 11:38:19pm

Captain Johnson is the designated black fall guy. I am pretty certain he is in control of nothing at this point.

255 sagehen  Aug 17, 2014 11:42:11pm

re: #248 Shvaughn

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Yet another attempt to smear Brown in order to retroactively justify his killing: he allegedly sang rap songs.

I’m sure the cop knew about his singing too. If it’s even him.

Ice T sang about being a cop killer.

Johnny Cash once shot a man in Reno, just to watch him die.

256 Shvaughn  Aug 17, 2014 11:46:07pm

Escalation time if this is true.

257 Shvaughn  Aug 17, 2014 11:50:43pm
258 TedStriker  Aug 17, 2014 11:52:46pm

re: #256 Shvaughn

Escalation time if this is true.

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I hate to say it, but something like this should have been done a week ago when it became obvious that the local cops were more interested in cover-ups and starting shit than actual positive engagement with the community.

Alas, things are so keyed up right now, I doubt things are going to go well if this is true; frankly, the only way I see it working is for the MONG to take over LE duties on the street completely from Ferguson and StLCo PD, but that’ll likely never happen.

259 ausador  Aug 17, 2014 11:53:34pm

Johnson press briefing (sorry for all the tweets)

260 KiTA  Aug 17, 2014 11:54:13pm

I have no idea what to make of the National Guard being deployed. I guess they literally think this is a war zone? Unreal.

On the other hand, maybe they’ll treat the civilians in the area more like actual humans.

261 Shvaughn  Aug 17, 2014 11:56:22pm

Sad to say it but military rules of engagement may be more humane than what the police have been doing.

262 ElaineBenis  Aug 17, 2014 11:56:52pm

Wow. Not sure if this is a good thing or will potentially lead to something truly awful.

263 freetoken  Aug 17, 2014 11:57:07pm

re: #241 klys

Around here it is so dry that even some of the drought resistant plants are dying. We’ve not had a decent amount of rain for a couple of years.

264 allegro  Aug 17, 2014 11:57:29pm

Someone is playing for real high stakes here. It isn’t the people of Ferguson.

265 ausador  Aug 17, 2014 11:58:14pm

re: #260 KiTA

I have no idea what to make of the National Guard being deployed. I guess they literally think this is a war zone? Unreal.

On the other hand, maybe they’ll treat the civilians in the area more like actual humans.

One thing that the National Guard can do under a state of emergency that the police can’t is to kick everybody who doesn’t live there out. They can also set up check points and deny outsiders access to the area without a verifiable need to enter.

266 TedStriker  Aug 17, 2014 11:58:20pm

re: #257 Shvaughn

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“In support of civilian authorities”

Fuck.

267 freetoken  Aug 17, 2014 11:58:47pm

Perhaps I’m in the minority here, but I don’t see the National Guard thing as an escalation. It’s already pretty clear that the town and county police force are incompetent or just being very wrongly led. The National Guard doesn’t have the stigma the local forces have now.

268 KiTA  Aug 17, 2014 11:59:26pm

re: #264 allegro

Someone is playing for real high stakes here. It isn’t the people of Ferguson.

“Buh, buh, buh, after weeks of us killing their children, insulting them, training firearms on them, physically assaulting them, and using chemical weapons on them, one or two of them fired back. CLEARLY we have to escalate! It’s not our fault, they MADE us do it!” - Police logic

269 klys  Aug 18, 2014 12:01:20am
270 TedStriker  Aug 18, 2014 12:03:04am

re: #267 freetoken

Perhaps I’m in the minority here, but I don’t see the National Guard thing as an escalation. It’s already pretty clear that the town and county police force are incompetent or just being very wrongly led. The National Guard doesn’t have the stigma the local forces have now.

I’m sure that Cpt. Johnson has been trying to tone things down and hold it together, but when you have outsiders coming in to riot and loot, combined with what I perceive to be a power struggle with Ferguson and StLCo PDs over who’s really in charge of the combined police response, it’s perhaps too much.

Let’s hope the MONG can do something about this without making it worse.

271 ElaineBenis  Aug 18, 2014 12:07:08am

re: #258 TedStriker

I hate to say it, but something like this should have been done a week ago when it became obvious that the local cops were more interested in cover-ups and starting shit than actual positive engagement with the community.

Alas, things are so keyed up right now, I doubt things are going to go well if this is true; frankly, the only way I see it working is for the MONG to take over LE duties on the street completely from Ferguson and StLCo PD, but that’ll likely never happen.

I totally agree. But this tactic is also fraught with danger. IMO.

272 Shvaughn  Aug 18, 2014 12:10:25am

re: #267 freetoken

Perhaps I’m in the minority here, but I don’t see the National Guard thing as an escalation. It’s already pretty clear that the town and county police force are incompetent or just being very wrongly led. The National Guard doesn’t have the stigma the local forces have now.

Calling out the National Guard is always an escalation. It may or may not solve things, but it is a huge step and also very symbolically important in the context of the Civil Rights movement.

273 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Aug 18, 2014 12:15:58am

re: #267 freetoken

Perhaps I’m in the minority here, but I don’t see the National Guard thing as an escalation. It’s already pretty clear that the town and county police force are incompetent or just being very wrongly led. The National Guard doesn’t have the stigma the local forces have now.

It’s the first step of a plan to occupy and disarm all America. We need armed patriots to stop it.

/

274 BeachDem  Aug 18, 2014 12:18:50am

re: #265 ausador

One thing that the National Guard can do under a state of emergency that the police can’t is to kick everybody who doesn’t live there out. They can also set up check points and deny outsiders access to the area without a verifiable need to enter.

And just about everyone interviewed tonight said the troublemakers were mostly not from Ferguson.

275 ausador  Aug 18, 2014 12:19:51am

Gee, seems to be a recurring theme for some reason… :(

276 Charles Johnson  Aug 18, 2014 12:25:37am

Sigh.

277 Charles Johnson  Aug 18, 2014 12:28:00am

I guess everybody’s going to try to bite my head off tonight. I think I’ll just sign off Twitter now.

278 ausador  Aug 18, 2014 12:30:43am

Ok, enough of this effing circus, they need to kick everyone without a domicile in Ferguson the hell out of there and then keep them out. The only people allowed in should be the press and humanitarian groups like amnesty, etc.

All along since the first night of looting it has been obvious that the vast majority of the problem has come from outsiders there to riot and/or loot. Now you have the RCP, libertarian dudebros, anarchists, and god knows who else drawn there like moths to a flame, starting shit.

Enough, send everybody else home and let Ferguson deal with Ferguson, they are the ones who have to live in the town these fuckwits are destroying.

279 BeachDem  Aug 18, 2014 12:38:16am

re: #278 ausador

Ok, enough of this effing circus, they need to kick everyone without a domicile within Ferguson the hell out of there and then keep them out. The only people allowed in should be the press and humanitarian groups like amnesty, etc.

All along since the first night of looting it has been obvious that the vast majority of the problem has come from outsiders there to riot and/or loot. Now you have the RCP, libertarian dudebros, anarchists, and god knows who else drawn there like moths to a flame, starting shit.

Enough, send everybody else home and let Ferguson deal with Ferguson, they are the ones who have to live in the town these fuckwits are destroying.

I agree with you that they need to kick the outside losers out, but I’m rethinking the National Guard as the the ones to do it. For some reason, I was remembering the Ohio State riots in 1970, and wouldn’t you know it, somebody at Plunderbund was as well.

I was there, sort of a passive protester (I let SDS people hide at my apartment when cops were looking for them and attended some rallies). I remember the Guard guys being all over campus with guns, and luckily, I knew a lot of them, or I’d probably have been in some trouble because: a/ I was pretty mouthy and b/ you had to show your student ID everytime you stepped foot on campus and I had lost mine and was sliding by using my roommate’s ID.

This article brought back memories—not very good ones.

The sight of troops, armored personnel carriers and tanks rolling down the streets of a major American university in a state capitol has a chilling effect on dissent. It always conjures visions of the Blitzkrieg or Soviet responses to dissent.

plunderbund.com

280 Shvaughn  Aug 18, 2014 12:45:51am

This country doesn’t feel very post-racial this week.

281 Charles Johnson  Aug 18, 2014 12:50:27am

Bringing in the National Guard has strong negative connotations for me as well, but at this point I don’t see a better alternative. This has to be gotten under control somehow before this community is destroyed, and with outside agitators flooding in, the Guard is probably the most effective counter-measure.

Glad I’m not the one who has to make these decisions - a lot of lives and livelihoods depend on them being right.

282 CarolJ  Aug 18, 2014 12:51:03am

The young and usually white dudebros have such a romantic idea about revolution. For them, it’s start shit and then the revolution comes. Never mind the political side-organizing, having a coherent governing philosophy, gaining the trust of people-it’s straight to revolution. The RCP is like that (I remember them from the early 1980’s). No philosophy how to govern, how to help people, just stir shit. I bet most of them don’t even know half of Marx or have read most of Lenin.

Successful revolutions require strategy and maturity and years of political organizing. And living and working long-term with the people and gaining trust.

Also the dudebros are acting out of their own white sense of entitlement-they won’t be going to the restaurants after this is over. Nor will they have or make any effort to replace the services they rendered. They won’t even stay in town to help rebuild, organize, or even help calm people.

Needless to say, the residents have made it clear they have no beef with any of the businesses there or any owners. No independent action was taken against any of them-indeed the owners are minorities and immigrants themselves.

283 EPR-radar  Aug 18, 2014 12:57:43am

re: #281 Charles Johnson

Bringing in the National Guard has strong negative connotations for me as well, but at this point I don’t see a better alternative. This has to be gotten under control somehow before this community is destroyed, and with outside agitators flooding in, the Guard is probably the most effective counter-measure.

Glad I’m not the one who has to make these decisions - a lot of lives and livelihoods depend on them being right.

For my part, I really hope that the national guard is coming to replace Ferguson PD and St. Louis county PD. The only civilian authority that might be worth supporting there are the state troopers.

284 ausador  Aug 18, 2014 1:15:09am
285 ausador  Aug 18, 2014 1:17:44am
286 ausador  Aug 18, 2014 1:25:57am

Before anyone gets bent out of shape, this is tongue-in-cheek, he isn’t serious, and he definitely is not the “next president” of Nigeria. Funny stuff.

287 Shvaughn  Aug 18, 2014 1:35:01am

re: #286 ausador

Before anyone gets bent out of shape, this is tongue-in-cheek, he isn’t serious, and he definitely is not the “next president” of Nigeria. Funny stuff.

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Yeah I thought it was like the Vox piece from a few days ago about how we would report on Ferguson if it were a foreign country.

Seriously, we would have people sitting around saying “we have to do something!” and talking about drones or air strikes or invasion. As peace keepers of course.

288 ausador  Aug 18, 2014 1:36:29am
289 goddamnedfrank  Aug 18, 2014 1:48:04am

re: #288 ausador

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Demographics have changed a lot since Nixon’s time. Minorities also have the most upside potential from GOTV efforts.

290 Amory Blaine  Aug 18, 2014 1:54:24am

One teacher’s open resignation letter.

EDUCATION IN OUR PUBLIC SCHOOLS, 2014

291 ausador  Aug 18, 2014 1:59:04am

re: #237 Kragar

Sarah Kendzior @sarahkendzior

Eyewitness told me last night’s Molotov at the chop suey place was thrown by white “anarchist” group. This been going on all week.
10:34 PM - 17 Aug 2014

It is the friggin RCP, click through to the article, worth seeing.
(warning quasi-white supremacist blog site, don’t wander)

292 ausador  Aug 18, 2014 2:57:18am

Tragedy goes down a little easier when mixed with comedy…

Last Week Tonight with John Oliver: Ferguson, MO and Police Militarization (HBO)

Youtube Video

293 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Aug 18, 2014 3:20:32am

A wingnut narrative is emerging that the witnesses claim Brown was shot in the back (i.e. lie). I don’t recall witnesses explicitly saying he was shot in the back, in fact many witnesses clearly imply he was facing the cop before the shooting. E.g. this (chronologically) first testimony seems to fully correspond to the finding that Brown was shot in the front:

I suppose Wilson’s defense could now be that Brown was running towards him and he was justified in shooting him because of the physical danger or something to that effect. But several independent witnesses indicate that he was actually on his knees, begging for his life. The cop is not a disinterested person in this situation, he’s a participant, so his explanation should not carry more weight than that of multiple witnesses just because he’s an official.

294 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Aug 18, 2014 3:29:55am

re: #293 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

OK, I see Dorian Johnson here saying that Brown was first shot in the back:

nbcnews.com

But there is no question that Wilson did make at least a couple of shots while Brown was running away, Johnson might have thought one of those shots reached Brown. It’s certainly not a mistake that takes away from Dorian’s testimony. Far more important is that he then immediately says that after that (supposed) shot in the back Brown stopped and was shot “in the head and chest area”, which is, again, broadly compatible with the autopsy as it indicates a shooting in the front.

295 William Barnett-Lewis  Aug 18, 2014 4:20:53am

I get up this morning after my night off and find this.

Like I said yesterday,

HOW IS THIS ANY DIFFERENT THAN A WAR CRIMINAL EXECUTING POW’S???

It’s not.

But you can damn sure bet the FPD & County DA are going to do everything possible to prevent that officer from getting the needle he deserves for this much less even a day in prison.

296 Flounder  Aug 18, 2014 4:39:20am

It is track season in Saratoga Springs, NY, and so here is your mandatory story about a police officer and his horse.

“Having a horse out there is like having five extra guys,” said Glenn Barrett, a mounted patrol officer who rides Jupiter. “You put the horse between two people fighting, it ends.”

my favorite:

The horse has been assaulted twice on the job - punched in the face and slapped repeatedly in 2012. Both led to arrests. He once stepped on a woman’s foot, but has never hurt anyone, Barrett said. Jupiter loves carrots and mints.

The kids love seeing the horses as well.

297 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Aug 18, 2014 4:42:41am

re: #296 Flounder

What kind of a dick punches a horse in the face?

298 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 18, 2014 4:48:19am

re: #241 klys

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And meanwhile Nestle keeps filling water bottles from underneath the reservation.

299 Flounder  Aug 18, 2014 4:51:06am

re: #297 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

Mongo

Youtube Video

300 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Aug 18, 2014 4:52:25am

re: #299 Flounder

Mongo

and John Wayne at the Alamo

301 Lancelot Link  Aug 18, 2014 4:54:11am

re: #297 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

What kind of a dick punches a horse in the face?

The former Governor of California

Youtube Video

302 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Aug 18, 2014 4:56:09am

re: #301 Lancelot Link

Too late, that horse has already been punched above.

303 Flounder  Aug 18, 2014 4:56:31am

re: #302 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

Still funny :)

304 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Aug 18, 2014 5:04:43am

The interesting thing about the current Russian state nationalism is that despite all the anti-Western rhetoric the consumption of the Western “cultural” products goes on unabated. E.g. tomorrow Fargo premiers on the main Russian TV channel.

305 William Barnett-Lewis  Aug 18, 2014 5:07:17am

re: #304 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

The interesting thing about the current Russian state nationalism is that despite all the anti-Western rhetoric the consumption of the Western “cultural” products goes on unabated. E.g. tomorrow Fargo premiers on the main Russian TV channel.

I’ve heard it said that Levi’s & rock music did more to liberate eastern Europe than all of Reagan’s military spending … ;)

306 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Aug 18, 2014 5:09:47am

re: #305 William Barnett-Lewis

I’ve heard it said that Levi’s & rock music did more to liberate eastern Europe than all of Reagan’s military spending … ;)

I thought it was David Hasselhoff.

307 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Aug 18, 2014 5:12:03am

re: #305 William Barnett-Lewis

Segodnya slushayet on dzhaz,
A zavtra Rodinu prodast!

(Today he listens to jazz
And tomorrow he’ll sell the Motherland!)

308 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 18, 2014 5:12:16am

ASSHOLE

309 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Aug 18, 2014 5:13:05am

re: #308 Pie-onist Overlord

Extremely predictable.

310 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 18, 2014 5:13:05am

The autopsy would show if he was “charging” or standing still.

311 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Aug 18, 2014 5:13:34am

re: #308 Pie-onist Overlord

ASSHOLE

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A private psychoanalysis proves that Bryan Fischer is a gay pederast.

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312 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 18, 2014 5:13:42am
313 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 18, 2014 5:15:15am
314 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Aug 18, 2014 5:16:43am

re: #313 Pie-onist Overlord

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In their view, the police shooting was an isolated incident, while rioting and looting are endemic to the *blah* community.

315 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Aug 18, 2014 5:17:51am

If all we had was the officer’s word…

But we do have lots of independent witnesses, including one account immediately after the shooting.

Fischer ignores the totality of the evidence on purpose.

(True, the accounts should be examined in court. But what we do have now is not in the cop’s favor.)

316 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 18, 2014 5:18:06am

re: #314 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

In their view, the police shooting was an isolated incident, while rioting and looting are endemic to the *blah* community.

It would appear that rioting is a typical response of white people when their sports team wins/loses a champtionship.

317 Charles Johnson  Aug 18, 2014 5:19:13am

re: #308 Pie-onist Overlord

That’s exactly what Tom Nichols tried to argue last night. It’s amazing how quickly these obtuse narratives spread through the wingnut hive mind.

318 FemNaziBitch  Aug 18, 2014 5:21:53am

319 FemNaziBitch  Aug 18, 2014 5:22:33am

Feral Girl 6 weeks after Rescue

It’s morning. It’s Monday. I don’t know how it could get any worse.

you?

320 FemNaziBitch  Aug 18, 2014 5:23:49am

re: #308 Pie-onist Overlord

ASSHOLE

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Or standing still facing the officer?

WTF?

321 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Aug 18, 2014 5:24:45am

re: #319 FemNaziBitch

Awww. Cutie :)

322 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 18, 2014 5:25:52am

re: #317 Charles Johnson

That’s exactly what Tom Nichols tried to argue last night. It’s amazing how quickly these obtuse narratives spread through the wingnut hive mind.

323 Charles Johnson  Aug 18, 2014 5:26:03am

The bullet wound to the palm of his right hand is also consistent with witness accounts that he was kneeling with his hands up when the final shots were fired into his head.

324 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Aug 18, 2014 5:27:34am

re: #323 Charles Johnson

The bullet wound to the palm of his right hand is also consistent with witness accounts that he was kneeling with his hands up when the final shots were fired into his head.

Or trying to grab the gun from the policeman’s hand!

325 FemNaziBitch  Aug 18, 2014 5:28:13am

re: #306 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

I thought it was David Hasselhoff.

Please, don’t put such images in our minds so early in the day.

:0

326 FemNaziBitch  Aug 18, 2014 5:28:45am

re: #305 William Barnett-Lewis

I’ve heard it said that Levi’s & rock music did more to liberate eastern Europe than all of Reagan’s military spending … ;)

But, it was all the foreign aid that allowed the people to buy the Levi’s and etc.

327 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Aug 18, 2014 5:28:50am

re: #317 Charles Johnson

Oh gee, he fell right into the trap:

While Johnson did say that, that doesn’t impeach his testimony, he would be wrong on this one point and it’s not at all hard to see how he could make that mistake. There is no such thing as a perfect testimony. In fact, testimonies are notoriously unreliable when it comes to details. But the totality of them could paint a more or less accurate picture.

Tom Nichols’s thinking on this issue is just primitive.

328 William Barnett-Lewis  Aug 18, 2014 5:29:08am

re: #324 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Or trying to grab the gun from the policeman’s hand!

No powder burns. Executed while standing still at medium range like a firing squad. End of story.

329 Decatur Deb  Aug 18, 2014 5:32:09am

re: #139 Aunty Entity Dragon

We used castor oil to counteract the stinging from Skydrol hydraulic fluid, along with milk. I wonder if castor oil would work with tear gas.

Vaseline Petroleum Jelly (before exposure)— 60s tech. Protects the skin route, doesn’t help the eyes or lungs.

330 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 18, 2014 5:32:16am
331 William Barnett-Lewis  Aug 18, 2014 5:34:01am

re: #329 Decatur Deb

Vaseline Petroleum Jelly (before exposure)— 60s tech. Protects the skin route, doesn’t help the eyes or lungs.

Swim goggles with the pj around the rubber helps the eyes. Wet bandanna over the nose and mouth for the lungs. Not perfect but it gets you through…

332 Dr. Matt  Aug 18, 2014 5:37:12am
333 Decatur Deb  Aug 18, 2014 5:38:16am

re: #331 William Barnett-Lewis

Swim goggles with the pj around the rubber helps the eyes. Wet bandanna over the nose and mouth for the lungs. Not perfect but it gets you through…

Yup. Of course obvious preparation makes you stand out. Standing out is not good.

334 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Aug 18, 2014 5:39:04am

re: #327 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

To elaborate more on this point.
Here is a imaginary description that would impeach a testimony as a whole: “Then he was shot in the back. I clearly saw a fountain of blood, then a bloody stain began to spread on his T-shirt. Then he turned towards the cop.”

Now, a detailed description like this would clearly indicate someone telling a deliberate untruth (or hallucinating).

A terse description of being “shot in the back” is compatible with a mistaken assumption on the part of the witness. Witnesses make mistaken assumptions all the time, and it’s the task of a detective/jury/judge/historian to separate the wheat from the chaff.

335 William Barnett-Lewis  Aug 18, 2014 5:40:26am

re: #333 Decatur Deb

Yup. Of course obvious preparation makes you stand out. Standing out is not good.

Yeah, the folks I learned that from were professional anarchists in Japan. The whole protest group would be decked out that way.

Here? Sore thumb, man.

336 FemNaziBitch  Aug 18, 2014 5:42:22am

337 Belafon  Aug 18, 2014 5:42:58am

re: #308 Pie-onist Overlord

338 William Barnett-Lewis  Aug 18, 2014 5:44:09am

re: #336 FemNaziBitch

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Funny! Less true now that I live by myself, though, as the leftovers almost always go with me to work that night for dinner at about 2:00 AM.

339 Decatur Deb  Aug 18, 2014 5:45:24am

re: #335 William Barnett-Lewis

Yeah, the folks I learned that from were professional anarchists in Japan. The whole protest group would be decked out that way.

Here? Sore thumb, man.

Some of the Narita construction protests looked ritualized—think they used to form conga lines.

340 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Aug 18, 2014 5:47:10am

re: #337 Belafon

All executions throughout history are therefore due to the person charging the shooter.

??

341 FemNaziBitch  Aug 18, 2014 5:47:30am

You know you are old when a close friend’s kid gets married, you find out about it on fb. Instead of being insulted that you weren’t invited, you are relieved.

342 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 18, 2014 5:48:54am

re: #337 Belafon

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Bryan is also very fond of promoting execution by firing squad to replace lethal injection.

343 FemNaziBitch  Aug 18, 2014 5:51:20am

I’m not a foodie, and not a cook. I am creative, but not with food. For me this is an example of someone who has too much time on their hands:

344 FemNaziBitch  Aug 18, 2014 5:53:33am

345 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 18, 2014 5:54:26am

The usual TCOT shitbags are in a frenzy of posting every crime they can find that had a black perp & white victim, even from years ago & the perps are in prison or executed.

346 Bulworth  Aug 18, 2014 5:55:01am

re:
#341

Winning

347 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 18, 2014 5:55:09am

re: #343 FemNaziBitch

I’m not a foodie, and not a cook. I am creative, but not with food. For me this is an example of someone who has too much time on their hands:

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I guess this party is someone’s graduation from dental school?

348 Bulworth  Aug 18, 2014 5:55:36am

re:
#345

Totally NOT racist Democrat party is real racists!!!!111

349 FemNaziBitch  Aug 18, 2014 5:56:05am

Police officer buys bed, TV, Wii for teen

Instead of seeking help from bad people, this kid went to the police. Nice to see one came thru for him.

350 Shiplord Kirel  Aug 18, 2014 5:56:12am

The witness who live tweeted the shooting, “Thee Pharoah,” indicated that the first two shots, at MB’s back, apparently missed. MB then turned and was shot several times in rapid succession. This is obviously consistent with the autopsy finding of no back wounds.

RWNJs sure find it easy to believe in this improbable notion of MB turning and charging a man who had just shot at him twice. A psychotic or a wounded animal might do that, but not a rational or even semi-rational human being. The RWNJs can believe it because they assume they are dealing with a sub-human.

351 FemNaziBitch  Aug 18, 2014 5:56:33am

re: #347 Pie-onist Overlord

I guess this party is someone’s graduation from dental school?

It was titled: School Lunch ideas.

I don’t get it either.

352 Lidane  Aug 18, 2014 5:57:18am

re: #327 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

Tom Nichols’s thinking on this issue is just primitive.

Damn near the entire right wing has shown their thinking is primitive on this issue. The ones who are horrified by what’s gone down in Ferguson are the exception, not the rule.

353 FemNaziBitch  Aug 18, 2014 5:58:07am

Giraffe Defends Property Against Human Intruder

A police report says 24-year-old Amada Hall, of San Luis Obispo, California, climbed over one fence and almost got over the second fence encircling the giraffe enclosure at the Henry Vilas Zoo about 5:30 p.m. Saturday. A 2-year-old, 12-foot-tall giraffe named Wally gave Hall a lick, then turned and kicked her in the face.

354 lawhawk  Aug 18, 2014 5:58:44am

Dr. Baden’s autopsy results are preliminary and are subject to change. He cannot determine with 100% certainty whether the shots were at close range or not because he didn’t have access to Brown’s clothes, which might include gunshot residue on them. His body, however, showed no signs, which would tend to indicate that he was shot at from a distance.

Baden has done enough autopsies over the years to know the kind of information that can be released to the public, and that which should be withheld because of the investigation. If he’s saying that the number of shots and locations should have been made available from day one, I’d tend to believe him (and that’s discounting the fact that he’s reviewing the case for the family).

We would need to reconstruct the scene of the incident to determine for sure where and how the shots were fired. We’d need to know Wilson’s height so as to determine where he could have been standing so as to result in the angles of impact. At least two shots hit his head/face, and depending on the angle, they could indicate that he was either charging or surrendering. You can guess what the family and multiple eyewitnesses think, as compared to the right wingers who think that he was charging a cop.

All of the shots appear to be to the front. That indicates that Wilson saw Brown’s face the entire time.

We need to know more about the incident, including where Wilson was when the shots were fired. We know where Brown ended up.

355 Dr Lizardo  Aug 18, 2014 5:59:14am

re: #242 Kragar

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Must have gotten bored out of his mind holed up there for so long.

OT, but I wanted to let all you fine Lizardfolk now that today, I started teaching English again for a school here in Ostrava. Granted, it’s starting off part-time (which is fine with me, as I’m a full-time proofreader and editor as well) but it’s nice to get out there and talk to other people. Get all dressed up in my Versace suit, white shirt, silk Italian ties and Italian shoes. The only downside of getting all dolled up like that is that everyone stares at me like I’ve just stepped out of a UFO and announced I’m from Mars or something. Czechs have taken “work casual” to a whole new level. And by casual, I mean like what you’d expect to see people wear working in the garden on the weekend. Top my look off with my C-crown fedora, and it’s all good.

My ex-wife liked that look, but she also remarked, “You look like a mafia enforcer”. LOL

356 FemNaziBitch  Aug 18, 2014 6:00:33am
357 sattv4u2  Aug 18, 2014 6:00:45am

re: #351 FemNaziBitch

It was titled: School Lunch ideas.

I don’t get it either.

Fun and nutritious for little kids

Apple, peanut butter and a little sweetness (the marshmellows) for appeal

358 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Aug 18, 2014 6:00:52am

re: #352 Lidane

Damn near the entire right wing has shown their thinking is primitive on this issue. The ones who are horrified by what’s gone down in Ferguson are the exception, not the rule.

He was allegedly one of the saner ones.

359 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Aug 18, 2014 6:03:05am

re: #343 FemNaziBitch

Eww. What sicko would eat this? half-/

360 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 18, 2014 6:03:30am

re: #351 FemNaziBitch

It was titled: School Lunch ideas.

I don’t get it either.

There is no way that could be a school lunch without a food fight breaking out & kids trying to “bite” each other with their snacks.

361 Lidane  Aug 18, 2014 6:03:49am

re: #356 FemNaziBitch

Someone needs to juxtapose images of the refugee kids from Central America on the Texas border and the shit in Ferguson and point out that the National Guard have been deployed for both of them because apparently they’re equal threats. :-P

362 FemNaziBitch  Aug 18, 2014 6:05:59am
363 Lidane  Aug 18, 2014 6:06:35am

Primitive thinking, Fox News edition:

Fox host: Robbery video suggests Ferguson ‘officer was justified’ in killing unarmed teen

And that is exactly why the Ferguson PD released that video over the objections of the DOJ and FBI. They knew damn well that the Fox News crowd would run with it as justification for Michael Brown being executed in the middle of a public street.

364 FemNaziBitch  Aug 18, 2014 6:06:38am

Puppies are snoring.

Time for my morning nap.

bb;

365 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Aug 18, 2014 6:12:48am

re: #363 Lidane

Primitive thinking, Fox News edition:

Fox host: Robbery video suggests Ferguson ‘officer was justified’ in killing unarmed teen

And that is exactly why the Ferguson PD released that video over the objections of the DOJ and FBI. They knew damn well that the Fox News crowd would run with it as justification for Michael Brown being executed in the middle of a public street.

These people need only a molehill of justification to turn into mountain of rage.

366 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 18, 2014 6:15:10am

FUCKBAG

367 Frenchy  Aug 18, 2014 6:15:55am

I defy anyone to show me a worse human being than Bryan Fischer.

368 Bulworth  Aug 18, 2014 6:18:22am

re:
#367

Dim Jim Hoft?

369 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Aug 18, 2014 6:18:50am

re: #367 Frenchy

I defy anyone to show me a worse human being than Bryan Fischer.

Jim Hoft.

370 Ian G.  Aug 18, 2014 6:19:38am

Just thinking aloud (and I’m sure I’m preaching to the choir here), but do you ever notice how the Luap Nor cult always babbles on and on about the dangers of the oppressive Federal while never making a peep about the potential of local and/or state governments to trash your civil liberties? If Ferguson doesn’t open your eyes to this, well, you’re probably the kind of dupe who worships that neo-confederate nutcase.

371 Bulworth  Aug 18, 2014 6:19:40am

re:
#366

When unarmed, I routinely bumrush people who are armed. //

Bumrush? Is Dim Jim trying to sound all urban hip?

372 Bulworth  Aug 18, 2014 6:21:03am

re:
#366

Call off the ‘race hustlers’?

Dim Jim is really going all in on the minority outreach.

373 Ian G.  Aug 18, 2014 6:21:08am

re: #363 Lidane

Primitive thinking, Fox News edition:

Fox host: Robbery video suggests Ferguson ‘officer was justified’ in killing unarmed teen

And that is exactly why the Ferguson PD released that video over the objections of the DOJ and FBI. They knew damn well that the Fox News crowd would run with it as justification for Michael Brown being executed in the middle of a public street.

I said it before here and I’ll say it again. I was, as a teen, guilty of what the smear machine is accusing Brown of doing. And I didn’t have a cop empty his magazine into me over it. Because I was a white suburbanite.

374 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 18, 2014 6:21:10am

re: #367 Frenchy

I defy anyone to show me a worse human being than Bryan Fischer.

Matt Barber
Rush Limbaugh
Jim Hoft
Glenn Greenwald

375 Bulworth  Aug 18, 2014 6:21:34am

The last time I heard the word ‘bumrush’ was probably 1991.

376 Danny  Aug 18, 2014 6:21:59am

Gunpowder residue cannot travel more than 3 to 5 feet, depending on the gun and type of ammunition used. The absence of residue on Brown would indicate he was not within that distance from Wilson. I don’t think the autopsy by itself disproves all of the eyewitness accounts, though it does mean that Brown was no shot from behind. The information given so far also does not disprove that the distance between Brown and Wilson was not dimishing during the sequence of shots. The wound in the top of Browns head does prove that Brown’s body was no longer upright when that shot was fired. The wounds in Browns arms can potentially indicate whether or not Brown had his arms up in a surrender posture with the inside of his arm toward Wilson. I haven’t seen information on those wounds that indicates where those wounds are yet.

377 makeitstop  Aug 18, 2014 6:22:06am

re: #374 Pie-onist Overlord

Matt Barber
Rush Limbaugh
Jim Hoft
Glenn Greenwald

Todd Starnes.

378 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Aug 18, 2014 6:22:15am

re: #366 Pie-onist Overlord

All the witnesses (incl. Dorian Johnson) implied that the lethal shots were frontal. The autopsy merely confirms this. How could anybody jump from this to bumrushing? (Rhet. quest.)

379 Bulworth  Aug 18, 2014 6:22:55am

Only the RWNJ would think being shot six times, twice in the head, was proof the victim was the aggressor.

380 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 18, 2014 6:23:05am

It’s just amazing how all the RWNJ’s know he was “high on drugs” in spite of no tox report released.

Oh they just made this shit up on the spot? My surprise let me show you it.

381 Bulworth  Aug 18, 2014 6:23:36am

re:
#380

“Possibly”. Irresponsible not to speculate. /

382 Lidane  Aug 18, 2014 6:23:58am

re: #379 Bulworth

Only the RWNJ would think being shot six times, twice in the head, was proof the victim was the aggressor.

The shooter was white and the victim was black. Of course the victim was the aggressor.

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383 Bulworth  Aug 18, 2014 6:24:18am

re:
#377

ding ding ding ding ding ding!!!

384 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 18, 2014 6:24:20am

HURR HURR BECAUSE ONLY AN ANIMAL FULL OF PCPS & ECSTACY & HEROIN & COCAINE & TEH MARIJUANAS WOULD CHARGE A POLICE OFFICER WITH 2 BULLETS IN HIM!!!!!!

385 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Aug 18, 2014 6:24:32am

re: #380 Pie-onist Overlord

No witness so far supports this, so the word “possibly” does not excuse this fuck.

386 Bulworth  Aug 18, 2014 6:25:35am

re:
#380

So it’s “clear” that Brown was “possibly” high on drugs when shot. Clear—>possible.

These people…..

387 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 18, 2014 6:26:33am

It’s like a chorus line of fucking tools.

388 b.d.  Aug 18, 2014 6:27:11am

Hey GOP, how’s that rebranding going for you?

389 Bulworth  Aug 18, 2014 6:28:53am

re:
#387

Only RWNJ like Ben Shapiro could be gleeful hearing autopsy results of six bullet holes, two in the head, one of those through the eye.

390 b.d.  Aug 18, 2014 6:29:39am

re: #380 Pie-onist Overlord

It’s just amazing how all the RWNJ’s know he was “high on drugs” in spite of no tox report released.

Oh they just made this shit up on the spot? My surprise let me show you it.

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He obviously used the stolen cigars to make marijuana filled (or possibly PCP or Bath Salt) filled blunts immediately after leaving the store and lit up,

//

391 Lidane  Aug 18, 2014 6:30:14am

re: #386 Bulworth

These people…..

Anything to justify the police execution of an unarmed black kid on a public street.

392 Rightwingconspirator  Aug 18, 2014 6:31:39am

Chaos, violence in Ferguson; National Guard called in

Missouri Governor Jay Nixon ordered the Guard into Ferguson hours after police cited “pre-planned” acts of aggression by protesters. Sunday night and early Monday morning, protesters shot at police, threw Molotov cocktails at officers, looted local businesses and carried out a “coordinated attempt” to block roads and overrun the police’s command center, Nixon’s office said in a statement.

393 b.d.  Aug 18, 2014 6:31:43am

6 gunshots against an unarmed man, 2 to the head, one of those to the TOP of the head, totally vindicate our story!!! Give that cop a medal!

394 Lidane  Aug 18, 2014 6:32:16am

re: #387 Pie-onist Overlord

Because being unarmed and getting shot six times is okay if there’s the slightest inconsistency.

These people are goddamn ghouls. They’re dancing on Michael Brown’s body.

395 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Aug 18, 2014 6:33:56am

re: #387 Pie-onist Overlord

What’s that meme about an audio? I missed this.

396 Alyosha  Aug 18, 2014 6:37:53am

re: #387 Pie-onist Overlord

It’s like a chorus line of fucking tools.

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With the exception I’m thinking, of Erik Erikovich, nearly every RWNJ has lined up behind the Ferguson executioner. When did petty theft ever call for summary execution?

How can it not be fucking racism if they can’t take one week off and acknowledge who is most obviously at fault here? Especially considering every subsequent media conference held by the Ferguson police chief.

It’s kinda weird explaining to people how race still works in America to the folks here, but then again, I think we’re a little behind in the consciousness of the whole white privilege thing. There’s still too bloody many of us, clearly.

397 Lidane  Aug 18, 2014 6:38:37am

My surprise, etc. —

Fox Analyst: Capt. Johnson Too ‘Emotionally Overcome’ to Be Objective

And that will be the next excuse for why this investigation will go nowhere. You can’t trust the blah guy they put in charge of anything because he’s too emotionally compromised.

398 Alyosha  Aug 18, 2014 6:40:30am

re: #396 Alyosha

It’s kinda weird explaining to people how race still works in America to the folks here, but then again, I think we’re a little behind in the consciousness of the whole white privilege thing. There’s still too bloody many of us, clearly.

Not to suggest that America is exceptional with regards to bad race relations…

399 Decatur Deb  Aug 18, 2014 6:41:02am

re: #375 Bulworth

The last time I heard the word ‘bumrush’ was probably 1991.

Definite 1930s Cannery Row vibe.

400 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Aug 18, 2014 6:43:08am

The main issue now is whether this goes before a court at all (regardless of what the court would decide). The mere possibility that it doesn’t already indicates a shameful state of affairs.

401 lawhawk  Aug 18, 2014 6:43:43am

The police are out of control, and aren’t about to let journalists report it.

The police in Ferguson are out of control. The mayor of Ferguson is worse than tone deaf in understanding just how bad things are. He thinks that things were really peaceful before the shooting, ignoring the rampant racial profiling and a heavy handed police response throughout. Now that the protests and rioting is going on, they’re letting their heavily armed units run roughshod over the community.

402 Alyosha  Aug 18, 2014 6:44:17am

re: #399 Decatur Deb

Definite 1930s Cannery Row vibe.

To showcase my ignorant youthishness (sic) I have only ever heard it used by players of AoE and the first StarCraft. That as recently as 2002.

403 Bulworth  Aug 18, 2014 6:45:47am

Behold: White Evangelical Christianity—

ST. LOUIS COUNTY, Mo. — They came in numbers that surprised even the minister, arriving in a muggy drizzle to a church parking lot so full that some had to park in front of the empty home of the man they came to pray for: embattled white police officer Darren Wilson.

They said they had empathy for the family of the teenager the officer killed. But they also said they feared that they might be attacked by rioters at their church, because Southminster Presbyterian sits right behind the suburban home of Wilson, the patrolman identified in the Aug. 9 shooting of Michael Brown, a black teenager who was unarmed.

washingtonpost.com

404 Shiplord Kirel  Aug 18, 2014 6:46:23am

re: #380 Pie-onist Overlord

It’s just amazing how all the RWNJ’s know he was “high on drugs” in spite of no tox report released.

Oh they just made this shit up on the spot? My surprise let me show you it.

Clear now 300 lb Michael Brown possibly high on drugs was charging officer would not stop & officer feared rightly for his life

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There you have it. He had to be high on drugs, a wild animal or a psycho, because that’s what black kids are, according to the RWNJs.

405 Lidane  Aug 18, 2014 6:47:31am

re: #404 Shiplord Kirel

There you have it. He had to be high on drugs, a wild animal or a psycho, because that’s what black kids are, according to the RWNJs.

Yep. It couldn’t just be a cop that was out of control and emptied his gun into an unarmed kid.

406 Decatur Deb  Aug 18, 2014 6:49:46am

re: #401 lawhawk

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The police are out of control, and aren’t about to let journalists report it.

The police in Ferguson are out of control. The mayor of Ferguson is worse than tone deaf in understanding just how bad things are. He thinks that things were really peaceful before the shooting, ignoring the rampant racial profiling and a heavy handed police response throughout. Now that the protests and rioting is going on, they’re letting their heavily armed units run roughshod over the community.

Thought the local PDs were replaced by MO Highway Patrol. When did they get back in play?

407 Lidane  Aug 18, 2014 6:52:04am

re: #406 Decatur Deb

Thought the local PDs were replaced by MO Highway Patrol. When did they get back in play?

I don’t think anyone knows who’s in charge in Ferguson anymore.

It’s a sad state of affairs when bringing in the National Guard makes sense. At least the Guard could set up a perimeter and kick everyone who doesn’t have a home in Ferguson out of there. That would be a good start.

408 Alyosha  Aug 18, 2014 6:52:05am

re: #404 Shiplord Kirel

There you have it. He had to be high on drugs, a wild animal or a psycho, because that’s what black kids are, according to the RWNJs.

Hence the official police delay for tox results. To people for whom drugs are things that make monsters of men, it is too easy to consider anyone under the influence of anything as monsters.

When you have hate, though, why pay for your high?

409 prairiefire  Aug 18, 2014 6:52:15am

re: #398 Alyosha

Not to suggest that America is exceptional with regards to bad race relations…

Aye, Australia has some responsibility in that regard.

410 darthstar  Aug 18, 2014 6:52:22am

It’s Monday…the second week after Mike Brown was killed. That there’s still unrest in Ferguson should explain why the PD released the cigarillo video. Talk about sabotaging a peace process.

411 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Aug 18, 2014 6:53:32am

re: #406 Decatur Deb

Thought the local PDs were replaced by MO Highway Patrol. When did they get back in play?

I thought that Cpt. Jackson simply took charge of the same police units…

412 Danny  Aug 18, 2014 6:53:58am

re: #406 Decatur Deb

Thought the local PDs were replaced by MO Highway Patrol. When did they get back in play?

State highway patrol were in charge last night. Eyewitnesses described them as extremely aggressive. Capt Johnson said he had no choice once violence began.

413 sagehen  Aug 18, 2014 6:54:32am

re: #401 lawhawk

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The police are out of control, and aren’t about to let journalists report it.

The police in Ferguson are out of control. The mayor of Ferguson is worse than tone deaf in understanding just how bad things are. He thinks that things were really peaceful before the shooting, ignoring the rampant racial profiling and a heavy handed police response throughout. Now that the protests and rioting is going on, they’re letting their heavily armed units run roughshod over the community.

I’m not sure if it was the mayor or the police chief I saw on on Melissa Harris-Perry the other day (along with some State Legislator from the next town over) — MHP wanted to know why there’s so very few black officers in his PD, he said “every black guy, and women too, we’re aiming for diversity, we’d love to have more women officers, but every black guy and every woman who goes through the Academy gets snapped up by St Louis or one of the wealthier suburbs, we pay so little we don’t get much choice who to hire.”

So… Ferguson PD is the dregs of Missouri law enforcement, the guys nobody else wants? That’s reassuring.

414 Jay in Oregon  Aug 18, 2014 6:54:44am

re: #170 HappyWarrior

My parents are both former LEOs so I have an instinct for treating cops that I’m interacting with respectfully.

BUT, I’ve also read enough about police brutality, racism, and abuse of authority to understand that there are good cops and bad cops, and that my being a white guy in his 40s stacks a lot of things in my favor to prevent things from escalating out of control.

415 Alyosha  Aug 18, 2014 6:55:10am

re: #409 prairiefire

Aye, Australia has some responsibility in that regard.

Yeah, I get into alot of arguments. Sickening how prevalent it is.

416 lawhawk  Aug 18, 2014 6:55:12am

re: #406 Decatur Deb

The Highway Patrol is the lead agency, but apparently the other police forces are still operating in the area.

417 Decatur Deb  Aug 18, 2014 6:55:17am

re: #407 Lidane

I don’t think anyone knows who’s in charge in Ferguson anymore.

It’s a sad state of affairs when bringing in the National Guard makes sense. At least the Guard could set up a perimeter and kick everyone who doesn’t have a home in Ferguson out of there. That would be a good start.

NG could go either way. Some units are as professional and well-led as the active-duty Army. Others out there might put you in Kent State territory.

418 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 18, 2014 6:55:27am

Um no, he’d be shot dead by police even before he reached the Mexican border.

419 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Aug 18, 2014 6:57:09am

re: #418 Pie-onist Overlord

How come 99.99% of folks with Reagan avatars are assholes? /

420 prairiefire  Aug 18, 2014 6:57:12am

The National Guard. We will see what happens! I don’t think the citizens can be any more intimidated than tanks in their streets.

421 Bulworth  Aug 18, 2014 6:57:13am
JUST say it because you KNOW it’s true! If Andrew Tahmooressi was black, he would have been released LONG ago. Deal with it.

You have very interesting views. I would very much like to subscribe to your newsletter.

/

422 Lidane  Aug 18, 2014 6:57:19am

Because there’s not enough RWNJ derp today:

Eric Holder, President Obama to meet on Ferguson

Attorney General Eric Holder will brief President Barack Obama on the situation in Ferguson on Monday afternoon after perhaps the most violent night of demonstrations since the fatal shooting of unarmed 18-year-old Michael Brown.

The president, who arrived at the White House early Monday morning for a pre-scheduled break in his family vacation in Martha’s Vineyard, will meet with Holder at 1:15 p.m., according to the White House.

423 Jay in Oregon  Aug 18, 2014 6:57:31am

What is going on in Ferguson is a national tragedy disgrace.

And the right wing’s response to it should drive their support in the AA community into the negative numbers. You guys may be fooling yourselves about your “minority outreach” but you’re not fooling anyone else.

424 Decatur Deb  Aug 18, 2014 6:57:40am

re: #416 lawhawk

The Highway Patrol is the lead agency, but apparently the other police forces are still operating in the area.

That’s a brilliant idea.

425 darthstar  Aug 18, 2014 6:57:53am
426 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 18, 2014 6:57:58am
427 prairiefire  Aug 18, 2014 6:58:05am

re: #412 Danny

State highway patrol were in charge last night. Eyewitnesses described them as extremely aggressive. Capt Johnson said he had no choice once violence began.

It seems to be getting worse.

428 Decatur Deb  Aug 18, 2014 6:58:30am

re: #419 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

How come 99.99% of folks with Reagan avatars are assholes? /

The other .01 percent don’t know how to use Google Images.

429 Lidane  Aug 18, 2014 6:58:59am

re: #417 Decatur Deb

NG could go either way. Some units are as professional and well-led as the active-duty Army. Others out there might put you in Kent State territory.

True. But given the fact that the local, county, and even state police seem incapable of being anything other than aggro, roid raging commandos, maybe bringing in actual military to restore order could work.

I hope, anyway. God help us all if the National Guard can’t do anything, or if they act just like the cops have so far.

430 Danny  Aug 18, 2014 6:59:32am

re: #427 prairiefire

It seems to be getting worse.

I suspect it will get worse still.

431 b.d.  Aug 18, 2014 6:59:58am

re: #421 Bulworth

You have very interesting views. I would very much like to subscribe to your newsletter.

/

Because if there is anything we won’t put up with in America it is having a black man wrongly imprisoned!!!!

432 prairiefire  Aug 18, 2014 7:00:58am

The immediacy of social media in this Ferguson situation is nausea inducing.

433 lawhawk  Aug 18, 2014 7:02:37am

re: #407 Lidane

The national guard should come in and step between the protesters and the Ferguson PD/St. Louis County Police. Only then might we see calm restored.

And I’m not joking. The police response has been to escalate violence at every step. The Ferguson PD and county police have undermined Capt. Johnson’s efforts at reconciliation, especially with the release of the unrelated video that Capt. Jackson admits has nothing to do with why Brown was stopped.

If it had nothing to do with why Brown was stopped, why keep trying to use it to infer how and why Brown acted in the stop by Wilson?

That’s what the right wing keeps doing. That’s exactly as the Ferguson PD intended - make people focus on Brown’s actions, not those of the officer who fired multiple times, hitting Brown at least six times from the front.

Witnesses say he was surrendering. Wilson kept shooting. The very act of continuing to shoot after surrendering is excessive force. He killed him. There is no excuse, though the right wing is trying to claim that the preliminary autopsy is somehow proof that Brown was charging Wilson (or that there were drugs involved, when there’s no proof of that either - toxicology reports aren’t going to be available for weeks). It’s a smear campaign to go after the guy who’s dead and can’t talk for himself. All that’s left is the evidence, and the police force that initially responded has a history of playing fast and loose with incident reports and has engaged in excessive force incidents in the past.

The Brown killing exposes all of this for the world to see. And the right wing is choosing to see what it wants - that they’re blaming a community besieged by a militarized police department that considers them animals and that peaceful residents are being forced to endure curfews while the militarized police run roughshod over equal protection and civil rights of everyone - journalists and private citizens alike.

434 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Aug 18, 2014 7:06:11am

Sigh. The Ukrainian Ministry of Int. Affairs and the Right Sector have agreed to cooperate.

While the Right Sector are not your average skinheads, they have a fundamentally fascist ideology. Once again the new Ukrainian govt. is making a grave mistake.

435 Jayleia  Aug 18, 2014 7:06:18am

re: #419 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

The other .01% have a pic of him from “Bedtime for Bonzo”

436 Alyosha  Aug 18, 2014 7:09:13am

I suppose it matters to some degree, that Gov. Nixon is a Democrat. I wonder what sort of conversations are taking place between the mansion and the WH. One more reason I’ll be first in line for President Obama’s autobio.

It’s a little worrying to think of how this might have played out if the governor had an R after his name. As an outsider, I want to see Obama swoop in with the Feds to restore order but I know it’s not that simple.

I know it has to gnawing at him, though.

437 Decatur Deb  Aug 18, 2014 7:09:49am

“Who’s the commanding officer here?”
“Ain’t you?”

Youtube Video

438 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 18, 2014 7:11:50am

HURR HURR U LIBTARD!!!!!

439 NJDhockeyfan  Aug 18, 2014 7:13:58am
440 Franklin  Aug 18, 2014 7:13:59am

Morning all!

Sorry for the (yet another) name change. I also created a new twitter handle (@franklinstwr). Never should have mixed business and pleasure! So I may be following many of you again from that account.

441 Lidane  Aug 18, 2014 7:17:12am

re: #433 lawhawk

Everything that’s happened in Ferguson proves that white conservatives live in a completely different world from everyone else.

Somehow, the problem here isn’t that a policeman emptied his gun into an unarmed kid that was openly and loudly surrendering to him on a public street and begging for his life. The problem isn’t that the Ferguson PD let Darren Wilson skip town after the shooting, or that they didn’t name him for days after the fact. There’s no problem with the fact that the cops have never released the actual incident report or their autopsy. Or that they released a video completely unrelated to the shooting in a blatant move to turn the murder victim into a thug.

Nope. For white conservatives, the problem is that a white cop was “just doing his job” and now all these blah people are unfairly mad at him. And somehow, Michael Brown deserved to die, but if you ask them why, they can’t give you a real answer.

This shit is insane. And if the GOP thinks that minorities aren’t paying attention to how the right are reacting to Ferguson, they’re stupid.

442 danarchy  Aug 18, 2014 7:17:25am

re: #362 FemNaziBitch

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Speaking of ebola, this happened in Liberia.

voanews.com

443 Lidane  Aug 18, 2014 7:18:22am

re: #436 Alyosha

I suppose it matters to some degree, that Gov. Nixon is a Democrat.

Not really. Many Southern Democrats can be indistinguishable from Republicans. Listen to some of the Democrats here in Texas sometime. More than a few of them sound just like Ted Cruz.

444 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Aug 18, 2014 7:19:28am

re: #443 Lidane

In what sense are they Dems?

445 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 18, 2014 7:20:23am

re: #444 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

In what sense are they Dems?

Party name.

446 Lidane  Aug 18, 2014 7:21:31am

re: #444 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

In what sense are they Dems?

Because they live in districts where running with a (D) after their name makes sense. And because they pay nominal lip service to some Democratic issues like affirmative action, or bilingual education on the border, or reproductive choice.

There are more than a few Democrats in the South that are pretty much Republicans except for the fact that they live in blue districts.

447 Decatur Deb  Aug 18, 2014 7:22:56am

re: #444 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

In what sense are they Dems?

If our Alabama GOP nominations are crowded, some will run as Dems to get in the race. Same shitsticks.

448 Alyosha  Aug 18, 2014 7:23:05am

re: #443 Lidane

Not really. Many Southern Democrats can be indistinguishable from Republicans. Listen to some of the Democrats here in Texas sometime. More than a few of them sound just like Ted Cruz.

I’ve noticed that, especially in the last few years I’ve been paying close attention. Politics in my world tend to be so regimented that if you want to vote against something, you have to cross the aisle to do it. I can also get how Dems would assume a redder mantle in order to assume power, but I have to wonder if, when the hammer is hitting anvil, as it is in this case, the party affiliation has to count for something. Nixon’s response has been so hit-and-miss it’s impossible to tell.

449 NJDhockeyfan  Aug 18, 2014 7:23:18am

re: #442 danarchy

Speaking of ebola, this happened in Liberia.

voanews.com

Oh, fuck

A group of young men armed with clubs, claiming that “there’s no Ebola” in Liberia, raided a quarantine center for the deadly disease in Monrovia overnight, prompting about 20 patients infected with the deadly virus to flee, a witness said Sunday.

Liberian officials fear Ebola could soon spread through the capital’s largest slum after the looters chased off Ebola patients and took items including blood-stained sheets and mattresses.

450 lawhawk  Aug 18, 2014 7:23:40am

Ferguson deserves an effective police force. One that treats the community with respect. Not one that sees the community as a bunch of
fucking animals”.

Officers engaging in this activity should be suspended without pay and put on admin leave pending hearings. You want a professional force, not one that sees the badge as a license to let their inner racists show where the black folk should be.

But the problems begin with the top level of the police forces - the Ferguson PD and county police. They’ve allowed this behavior go on for so long that it’s indoctrinated and pervasive. It’s a police force that is failing everyone, and they’re failing for the world to see in Ferguson.

The police are far less diverse than the communities they serve, and they’re perpetuating class and racial divides.

How does the St. Louis County police stack up against the state averages?

Well the state average disparity rate is 1.59 (blacks are stopped in a disproportionate manner as compared to whites, even though whites have a higher hit rate; blacks are also arrested more than whites). The county police (see page 1049) actually are slightly better than the statewide average - 1.50 versus 1.59. Whites still have higher contraband hit rate, but a lower arrest rate.

All this indicates that racial profiling remains a huge problem for the community, and this will persist long after the protests end.

451 GlutenFreeJesus  Aug 18, 2014 7:23:41am

Here’s my take with the autopsy, and witness accounts. Brown was shot at while running away. Wilson missed three times. He was shot in the arm as he was turning around with his hands up to surrender. Wilson kept shooting as he stepped/ran closer, ultimately having fired that one fatal shot to his head.

452 lawhawk  Aug 18, 2014 7:25:20am

re: #451 GlutenFreeJesus

That version of events appears to be in keeping with the eyewitness statements given thus far.

453 Alyosha  Aug 18, 2014 7:26:10am

re: #445 Pie-onist Overlord

Party name.

Is it affiliation with the ante-bellum brand? That just seems batshit though when there’s a perfectly mental GOP to cast your vote/throw your shit for.

454 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 18, 2014 7:27:38am

re: #453 Alyosha

Is it affiliation with the ante-bellum brand? That just seems batshit though when there’s a perfectly mental GOP to cast your vote/throw your shit for.

The Dixiecrats

455 sagehen  Aug 18, 2014 7:29:08am

re: #442 danarchy

Speaking of ebola, this happened in Liberia.

voanews.com

Why does that make me think of one of the plotlines in Tom Clancy’s “Executive Orders”?

456 Lidane  Aug 18, 2014 7:30:16am

*flips desk, sets it on fire, then nukes it from orbit*

Fox ‘expert’ defends Ferguson cop: Brown was shot in head because ‘bullets go that way’

Dietl went on to say that Johnson’s message to the black church was wrong “because America has no color.”

“To do something like this before all information has been finalized is wrong,” he opined. “Just maybe, the cop was right. Maybe he was getting beat up. We don’t know what happened. Also, remember, [witnesses reported that] he got shot in the back. Now it comes up he was shot in the front.”

“When you’re in a shoot-out, and you’re firing away, and you stop, and you’re shooting the torso, you’re trying to stop somebody,” Dietl continued. “I don’t know how he got hit in the head, but bullets go that way. He was trying to stop this guy obviously.”

Another delusional conservative. Tell me again how these people are supposed to be the adults? WTF.

457 NJDhockeyfan  Aug 18, 2014 7:31:49am
458 Decatur Deb  Aug 18, 2014 7:34:39am

re: #457 NJDhockeyfan

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There are two ways to deploy the NG. The Governor can do it as the state’s militia force, completely under his control (and financial tab). It can alternately be federalized, with the Prez as CINC, as was done in southern states during desegregation.

459 Alyosha  Aug 18, 2014 7:36:10am

re: #454 Pie-onist Overlord

I was familiar with the Dixiecrats but then again I keep forgetting how recent Nixon’s ‘Southern Strategy’ was and what exactly helped precipitate it. Thanks :)

460 Franklin  Aug 18, 2014 7:37:22am

re: #451 GlutenFreeJesus

Here’s my take with the autopsy, and witness accounts. Brown was shot at while running away. Wilson missed three times. He was shot in the arm as he was turning around with his hands up to surrender. Wilson kept shooting as he stepped/ran closer, ultimately having fired that one fatal shot to his head.

Same thoughts here as well. Would also explain that some witnesses heard up to 10 shots. The FPD *should* know exactly how many rounds were discharged. Don’t need an autopsy for that.

461 danarchy  Aug 18, 2014 7:37:47am

re: #449 NJDhockeyfan

Oh, fuck

I have a feeling some of those young men saying there is no Ebola in Liberia will be saying “OK, maybe there is some Ebola in Liberia.” in a few weeks.

462 Alyosha  Aug 18, 2014 7:39:29am

re: #457 NJDhockeyfan

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I guess that tweet, if true, answers a few of my questions.

463 GlutenFreeJesus  Aug 18, 2014 7:39:56am

re: #455 sagehen

Why does that make me think of one of the plotlines in Tom Clancy’s “Executive Orders”?

28 Days Later. Those animal rights kids had no idea exactly what they were about to do.

OT: Germany. Face. Meet egg. They got busted spying on Turkey.

m.bbc.com

464 Alyosha  Aug 18, 2014 7:41:07am

re: #463 GlutenFreeJesus

OT: Germany. Face. Meet egg. They got busted spying on Turkey.

m.bbc.com

Oh noes! They used to be so close!

465 Mattand  Aug 18, 2014 7:41:38am

Quick comment before I actually do some work: it’s not just white conservatives that are in denial about Ferguson. Mostly everyone I know is white, and just about all of them skip over the actual murder and zip right to “Rioting’s bad, mmkay?”

In some cases, I’m talking smart, college-educated people who have children. Every. Single. One of them focuses on the unrest or the video (which is doing its intended job of poisoning the well.)

They don’t care that there are multiple witnesses, none of whom know each other, that have identical stories. Doesn’t matter. It all comes down to bitching about the riots and basically condoning a cop murdering someone as acceptable law enforcement.

It’s amazing how comfortable people are with police brutality when your skin color guarantees it will never happen to you.

466 Lancelot Link  Aug 18, 2014 7:43:45am

re: #463 GlutenFreeJesus

OT: Germany. Face. Meet egg. They got busted spying on Turkey.

m.bbc.com

Boy, I can’t wait to hear what The Intercept has to say about that.

467 Unabogie  Aug 18, 2014 7:46:05am

Live press conference now.

talkingpointsmemo.com

468 Decatur Deb  Aug 18, 2014 7:46:25am

re: #465 Mattand

Quick comment before I actually do some work: it’s not just white conservatives that are in denial about Ferguson. Mostly everyone I know is white, and just about all of them skip over the actual murder and zip right to “Rioting’s bad, mmkay?”

In some cases, I’m talking smart, college-educated people who have children. Every. Single. One of them focuses on the unrest or the video (which is doing its intended job of poisoning the well.)

They don’t care that there are multiple witnesses, none of whom know each other, that have identical stories. Doesn’t matter. It all comes down to bitching about the riots and basically condoning a cop murdering someone as acceptable law enforcement.

It’s amazing how comfortable people are with police brutality when your skin color guarantees it will never happen to you.

Going to stick with “rioting is generally bad”. When you get to the point that rioting helps, your neighborhood is already fucked.

On the other hand: “We enter a civil rights struggle with the community we have, not with the community we might want.”

469 Lidane  Aug 18, 2014 7:46:57am

re: #465 Mattand

It’s amazing how comfortable people are with police brutality when your skin color guarantees it will never happen to you.

Pretty much. The chances of an unarmed white kid getting executed by police like Michael Brown are less than nil. If that ever DID happen, I can guarantee it would’ve been handled much differently than all this shit in Ferguson.

For fuck’s sake, white kids get away with crimes that a minority kid would get the death penalty for. Look at the “affluenza” case and tell me a black or brown kid could have walked. Our justice system is hopelessly skewed in favor of whites, so of course they don’t see the problem when a black kid gets summarily executed by a cop. Why would they? The system works in their favor.

470 lawhawk  Aug 18, 2014 7:49:49am


(retweeted by Hoft, of course).

You mean the accomplice that wasn’t charged with a crime by the police because they didn’t see any crime committed?

You mean the strong arm robbery that is shoplifting and/or petit larceny because it was for taking less than $50?

And you wonder why the Ferguson PD released that video? It’s done its job. And people like Hoft are continuing to do the police department’s smear job by spreading nonsense even though the police admit that Brown wasn’t stopped because of the robbery but because the duo were walking in the middle of the street.

471 lawhawk  Aug 18, 2014 7:51:14am

re: #469 Lidane

Pretty much. The chances of an unarmed white kid getting executed by police like Michael Brown are less than nil. If that ever DID happen, I can guarantee it would’ve been handled much differently than all this shit in Ferguson.

For fuck’s sake, white kids get away with crimes that a minority kid would get the death penalty for. Look at the “affluenza” case and tell me a black or brown kid could have walked. Our justice system is hopelessly skewed in favor of whites, so of course they don’t see the problem when a black kid gets summarily executed by a cop. Why would they? The system works in their favor.

It happens, just not nearly as frequently. And the police reflexively attempt to pin the blame on the victim. Investigating the incident becomes a Kafkaesque descent into hell for the family involved.

472 GlutenFreeJesus  Aug 18, 2014 7:54:49am

re: #466 Lancelot Link

Boy, I can’t wait to hear what The Intercept has to say about that.

You will be waiting. Forever and ever and ever and ever and ever and…

473 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Aug 18, 2014 7:55:41am

re: #465 Mattand

I think that the real ‘white guilt’ is shown by that: There’s an acknowledgement, in it, of just how much reason black people have to riot, to declare “This system is obviously fixed, and we’re the fucking losers in it”. Not only has the system always been fixed against them, but the combination of racism and capitalism means that now, when at least some legal remedies and some political power is allowed to them, they’re still behind the 8-ball because they lack generational wealth. This is why Ta-Nehisi Coates was so dead on with his reparations piece. An actual outrage has been, and continues to be, performed on the black community, a limitation on ambition, a theft of futures. This is demonstrable by literally every social survey, every implicit association test, every single way that you can measure racism and privilege in the US shows that blacks are systematically discriminated against even in ‘color-blind’ institutions and that white people are systematically privileged.

It’s ugly and unfortunate, but the fear is real because the reasons for the anger are real, and guilt plus fear tends to make people just want the problem to go away, to get shoved away, out of sight. That’s why most of the Civil Rights Movement’s cultural achievements has been about telling the stories about oppression, talking about anger but also about remedy, saying the plain simple truth: Black people just want to be Americans, and treated like everyone else. We can get there, as a society.

But politicians and culture warriors have to stop the race-baiting. We have to stop having shit like a PD releasing a smear video after a young man was gunned down in the street. We have to stop having GOP candidates openly associate with white supremacists, openly say racist and uninformed shit about immigrants. And they’re not going to stop doing it on their own, so we need to GOTV, especially among non-whites.

The fear paralyzing white America is causing a huge amount of damage to our country, but a lot of it is lack of familiarity. As much as Obama’s election helped to increase the volume of the racists, he’s normalized ‘black president’. The younger generation isn’t nearly as racist as the ones that are passing, despite the disintegration of our society, having grown up in a world where they’ve actually seen non-whites achieve at the highest level. This will continue to be more and more true.

But until then, white guilt is going to manifest itself in lashing out at the black population reminding us that they are, rightly, angry as hell.

474 William Barnett-Lewis  Aug 18, 2014 7:56:00am

re: #471 lawhawk

It happens, just not nearly as frequently. And the police reflexively attempt to pin the blame on the victim. Investigating the incident becomes a Kafkaesque descent into hell for the family involved.

Yep, case of that right here: sltrib.com

475 lawhawk  Aug 18, 2014 7:56:22am

And that’s just the tip of the iceberg, but the Ferguson PD and the County Police are refusing to answer even the most basic questions about the incident. And by doing so, they’re obstructing the public’s right to know what happened.

476 GlutenFreeJesus  Aug 18, 2014 7:56:26am

I really don’t know the answer. Have any of the witnesses been interviewed by either the FPD, MO State Police, or St. Louis County?

477 HappyWarrior  Aug 18, 2014 7:56:40am

re: #459 Alyosha

I was familiar with the Dixiecrats but then again I keep forgetting how recent Nixon’s ‘Southern Strategy’ was and what exactly helped precipitate it. Thanks :)

And it’s good to know that the Southern Strategy doesn’t end with Nixon. You have Reagan talking about “young bucks”, “welfare queen”,and opening his campaign talking about states rights in the same town where three Civil Rights workers were kidnapped and later murdered. H.W Bush and Lee Atwater. W Bush and McCain’s “black illegitimate child.”

478 GlutenFreeJesus  Aug 18, 2014 7:57:32am

re: #475 lawhawk

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And that’s just the tip of the iceberg, but the Ferguson PD and the County Police are refusing to answer even the most basic questions about the incident. And by doing so, they’re obstructing the public’s right to know what happened.

If a civilian was obstructing like this, they’d be locked up.

479 Stanley Sea  Aug 18, 2014 7:58:06am

re: #475 lawhawk

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And that’s just the tip of the iceberg, but the Ferguson PD and the County Police are refusing to answer even the most basic questions about the incident. And by doing so, they’re obstructing the public’s right to know what happened.

Where’s the SUV? Has it been analyzed? Where’s Michael’s clothes?

jeeze louise

480 lawhawk  Aug 18, 2014 7:58:53am


(another Hoft retweet).

Never mind that this is a bunch of white cops with military gear going after the black community.

It’s an out of control police force that sees the community as a threat that must be beaten into submission.

481 HappyWarrior  Aug 18, 2014 7:59:49am

There was a great point made here last night I don’t know if by a Lizard or a post of a Tweet but it is utterly absurd that the police could take down Alex Holmes alive who was armed with high powered weapons and wearing armor and whom had just shot a bunch of people and they could not apprehend Michael Brown for a very petty crime.

482 Decatur Deb  Aug 18, 2014 8:03:37am

re: #480 lawhawk

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(another Hoft retweet).

Never mind that this is a bunch of white cops with military gear going after the black community.

It’s an out of control police force that sees the community as a threat that must be beaten into submission.

Thought it would look a whole lot worse, because I didn’t think the President would make it this far into his second term. So far so good.

483 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 18, 2014 8:04:17am

re: #481 HappyWarrior

There was a great point made here last night I don’t know if by a Lizard or a post of a Tweet but it is utterly absurd that the police could take down Alex Holmes alive who was armed with high powered weapons and wearing armor and whom had just shot a bunch of people and they could not apprehend Michael Brown for a very petty crime.

Also:
Jared Loughner
Squeakie Fromme
John Hinckley
Djahar Tsarnaev

484 lawhawk  Aug 18, 2014 8:05:11am

Another question - does the Ferguson PD require officers to be equipped with tasers? If they were equipped, why weren’t they used in this instance?

If they weren’t, why is a police force able to call upon cops with riot gear, and armored vehicles, but not nonlethal gear that could pacify a situation with a lower chance of loss of life?

485 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Aug 18, 2014 8:05:21am

re: #480 lawhawk

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(another Hoft retweet).

Never mind that this is a bunch of white cops with military gear going after the black community.

It’s an out of control police force that sees the community as a threat that must be beaten into submission.

again, their view is that the shooting was justifiable - if not even entirely
warranted, and that rioting and looting are endemic to the black community.

486 Lidane  Aug 18, 2014 8:05:23am

re: #481 HappyWarrior

That was a tweet that came across my TL last night, so I posted it here.

They took the Aurora theater shooter alive. They took Gabby Giffords’s shooter alive. Dr. Tiller’s murderer was taken alive. They couldn’t take Michael Brown alive for jaywalking and/or shoplifting?

487 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Aug 18, 2014 8:05:30am

re: #481 HappyWarrior

There was a great point made here last night I don’t know if by a Lizard or a post of a Tweet but it is utterly absurd that the police could take down Alex Holmes alive who was armed with high powered weapons and wearing armor and whom had just shot a bunch of people and they could not apprehend Michael Brown for a very petty crime.

If that was about any crime at all…

488 HappyWarrior  Aug 18, 2014 8:06:42am

re: #483 Pie-onist Overlord

Also:
Jared Loughner
Squeakie Fromme
John Hinckley
Djahar Tsarnaev

Absolutely.

489 Eventual Carrion  Aug 18, 2014 8:06:57am

re: #376 Danny

Gunpowder residue cannot travel more than 3 to 5 feet, depending on the gun and type of ammunition used. The absence of residue on Brown would indicate he was not within that distance from Wilson. I don’t think the autopsy by itself disproves all of the eyewitness accounts, though it does mean that Brown was no shot from behind. The information given so far also does not disprove that the distance between Brown and Wilson was not dimishing during the sequence of shots. The wound in the top of Browns head does prove that Brown’s body was no longer upright when that shot was fired. The wounds in Browns arms can potentially indicate whether or not Brown had his arms up in a surrender posture with the inside of his arm toward Wilson. I haven’t seen information on those wounds that indicates where those wounds are yet.

Means that none of the shots fired while his back was turned hit him, not that none were fired.

490 lawhawk  Aug 18, 2014 8:07:01am

re: #483 Pie-onist Overlord

There are dozens of suspected murderers and rapists who are caught by law enforcement nationally every day. They are arrested without incident, and without the need to shoot and kill the suspect.

This guy was shot and killed after police stopped him for walking in the street.

491 HappyWarrior  Aug 18, 2014 8:07:20am

re: #486 Lidane

That was a tweet that came across my TL last night, so I posted it here.

They took the Aurora theater shooter alive. They took Gabby Giffords’s shooter alive. Dr. Tiller’s murderer was taken alive. They couldn’t take Michael Brown alive for jaywalking and/or shoplifting?

Seriously, I don’t get it and the further attempts by right wing assholes like Hoft to justify it or to play MBF and attack the protesters is just sick.

492 Shiplord Kirel  Aug 18, 2014 8:08:04am

re: #470 lawhawk

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(retweeted by Hoft, of course).

You mean the accomplice that wasn’t charged with a crime by the police because they didn’t see any crime committed?

You mean the strong arm robbery that is shoplifting and/or petit larceny because it was for taking less than $50?

And you wonder why the Ferguson PD released that video? It’s done its job. And people like Hoft are continuing to do the police department’s smear job by spreading nonsense even though the police admit that Brown wasn’t stopped because of the robbery but because the duo were walking in the middle of the street.

Apparently these doofi have not heard of “Thee Pharoah,” who was at home minding his own business when he happened to witness the shooting and whose live, real time tweets told essentially the same story as Johnson.

493 thedopefishlives  Aug 18, 2014 8:08:40am

So one of my Facebook friends just lit a bomb on a discussion group I’m a member of, bashing people who jumped on the “emotional narrative” of an “innocent unarmed kid getting shot in the back 6 times” and that we should “wait for the facts” before deciding. Yes, because being shot 6 times in the front for jaywalking and (possibly, depending on whether the cop actually knew or not, which seems to be a fact in dispute) shoplifting is any better, you douchebag. Ugh. How go things among the lizardfolk?

494 HappyWarrior  Aug 18, 2014 8:09:02am

re: #492 Shiplord Kirel

Apparently these doofi have not heard of “Thee Pharoah,” who was at home minding his own business when he happened to witness the shooting and whose live, real time tweets told essentially the same story as Johnson.

Jim Hoft probably has his party registration ready to use against him in a wingnut court of public opinion.

495 HappyWarrior  Aug 18, 2014 8:10:00am

re: #493 thedopefishlives

So one of my Facebook friends just lit a bomb on a discussion group I’m a member of, bashing people who jumped on the “emotional narrative” of an “innocent unarmed kid getting shot in the back 6 times” and that we should “wait for the facts” before deciding. Yes, because being shot 6 times in the front for jaywalking and (possibly, depending on whether the cop actually knew or not, which seems to be a fact in dispute) shoplifting is any better, you douchebag. Ugh. How go things among the lizardfolk?

Pretty good but agh that attitude just disgusts me. Got way too many people who want to rationalize murder.

496 Mike Lamb  Aug 18, 2014 8:10:03am

re: #470 lawhawk

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I was wondering when someone would argue that the witnesses had more incentive to lie than the person who fucking killed someone.

(retweeted by Hoft, of course).

You mean the accomplice that wasn’t charged with a crime by the police because they didn’t see any crime committed?

You mean the strong arm robbery that is shoplifting and/or petit larceny because it was for taking less than $50?

And you wonder why the Ferguson PD released that video? It’s done its job. And people like Hoft are continuing to do the police department’s smear job by spreading nonsense even though the police admit that Brown wasn’t stopped because of the robbery but because the duo were walking in the middle of the street.

re: #470 lawhawk

497 thedopefishlives  Aug 18, 2014 8:10:46am

re: #495 HappyWarrior

Pretty good but agh that attitude just disgusts me. Got way too many people who want to rationalize murder.

Thing is, he’s not actually trying to rationalize the murder that I can see. He’s basically the troll of the discussion group; he wants to stir shit up.

498 Lidane  Aug 18, 2014 8:10:48am

re: #493 thedopefishlives

I have avoided mentioning anything about this on Facebook. I really don’t want to know how many of my friends and relatives would support the cop’s actions in murdering Michael Brown.

499 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 18, 2014 8:11:05am

O/T update on my stepson: He’s still on a ventilator and doctors will try to “wake him” from the medically-induced coma today.

500 Higgs Boson's Mate  Aug 18, 2014 8:11:58am

re: #486 Lidane

They couldn’t take Michael Brown alive for jaywalking and/or shoplifting?

With St. Louis nearby I’m guessing that Ferguson doesn’t get the cream of the cop crop. Any officer who wouldn’t shoot someone like Brown out of hand probably wouldn’t work there in the first place.

501 Decatur Deb  Aug 18, 2014 8:12:27am

re: #499 Backwoods_Sleuth

O/T update on my stepson: He’s still on a ventilator and doctors will try to “wake him” from the medically-induced coma today.

Go slow when you’re giving him the news updates.

502 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 18, 2014 8:13:21am
503 Shiplord Kirel  Aug 18, 2014 8:13:46am

re: #489 Eventual Carrion

Means that none of the shots fired while his back was turned hit him, not that none were fired.

The Twitter witness (“Thee Pharoah”) said specifically that he thought the two shots at MB’s back had missed.

504 Botsplainer  Aug 18, 2014 8:13:53am

I’m anticipating a metric shit ton of Federal indictments on evidence tampering and conspiracy on the coverup. There will be everything from missing evidence to spoliation.

505 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Aug 18, 2014 8:14:34am

re: #493 thedopefishlives

The police department’s incomplete and shoddy response is part of the problem.

506 wrenchwench  Aug 18, 2014 8:15:48am

re: #502 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Dr. Baden inadvertently referred to the family of Brown as ‘the defense’. Can’t blame him, really.

507 Shiplord Kirel  Aug 18, 2014 8:16:15am

We’ve learned that in the RWNJ universe, it’s okay to execute a suspected miscreant if you can get him to turn around and face you.

508 Feline Fearless Leader  Aug 18, 2014 8:16:45am

re: #307 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

Segodnya slushayet on dzhaz,
A zavtra Rodinu prodast!

(Today he listens to jazz
And tomorrow he’ll sell the Motherland!)

You know who else thought jazz music was degenerate and not beneficial to the state and the Fatherland!
/// :p

509 Decatur Deb  Aug 18, 2014 8:17:29am

re: #508 Feline Fearless Leader

You know who else thought jazz music was degenerate and not beneficial to the state and the Fatherland!
/// :p

Pat Boone?

510 Lidane  Aug 18, 2014 8:18:15am

Mr. “COME OUT OF THE WHITE HOUSE WITH YOUR HANDS UP OBAMA” says what?

Larry Klayman: Obama Wants To Rename The White House ‘The Black House,’ Start A ‘Race War’

Unhinged right-wing legal advocate Larry Klayman believes that President Obama and Attorney General Eric Holder have created a “race war in the nation.” Klayman wrote in a WorldNetDaily column on Friday that the president is “racist” against white people “and in favor of their black brothers.”

According to Klayman, the administration is deliberately fomenting and ignoring “racially motivated crimes against whites,” while using Obamacare to “have whitey pay reparations to blacks.”

“At this rate, it is remarkable that Obama has not renamed the White House ‘the Black House.

511 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Aug 18, 2014 8:19:54am

re: #510 Lidane

This also gets me. A ‘race war’ in this country wouldn’t be black people against white people, it’s be these insane racists vs. black people and every non-black person who is glad the North won the civil war. In other words, we fought the race war already. The racists lost.

Not to sweep aside the racism of the North, but slavery very much was the States Rights issue, and it doesn’t matter if the people opposing it did so out of idealism or pure pragmatism: either way, the slavery side lost.

512 HappyWarrior  Aug 18, 2014 8:20:13am

re: #510 Lidane

Mr. “COME OUT OF THE WHITE HOUSE WITH YOUR HANDS UP OBAMA” says what?

Larry Klayman: Obama Wants To Rename The White House ‘The Black House,’ Start A ‘Race War’

Klayman as usual borders on self-parody. Yep Larry, Obama hates whitey so much he wants to rename the White House the Black House and yet he still continues to have white advisers and staff. Good god what a nut that guy is.

513 Danny  Aug 18, 2014 8:22:24am

re: #489 Eventual Carrion

Means that none of the shots fired while his back was turned hit him, not that none were fired.

Correct. By “shot” I meant where a bullet hit Brown while he was facing away from Wilson, as was claimed by at least one witness. Thanks for clarifying.

514 Franklin  Aug 18, 2014 8:22:35am

re: #498 Lidane

I have avoided mentioning anything about this on Facebook. I really don’t want to know how many of my friends and relatives would support the cop’s actions in murdering Michael Brown.

If I hadn’t deleted my Facebook two week ago, I am positive i would have done it tis past week. For the reason you mention.

515 Lidane  Aug 18, 2014 8:22:44am

re: #507 Shiplord Kirel

We’ve learned that in the RWNJ universe, it’s okay to execute a suspected miscreant if you can get him to turn around and face you.

Only if that miscreant is black. Or brown.

516 thedopefishlives  Aug 18, 2014 8:23:40am

re: #507 Shiplord Kirel

We’ve learned that in the RWNJ universe, it’s okay to execute a suspected miscreant if you can get him to turn around and face you.

Thing is, I think many of us would be at least OK with this (saddened, probably, but OK) if it was demonstrated that Brown had charged or was charging the officer, presenting an imminent threat to his safety. But the guy was gunned down, unarmed, at range, obviously surrendering to the authorities and no threat to anyone. It doesn’t matter if he was shot in the front or the back, there’s no justification for it.

517 Franklin  Aug 18, 2014 8:24:43am

re: #489 Eventual Carrion

Means that none of the shots fired while his back was turned hit him, not that none were fired.

Exactly this.

And would explain why Brown turned to face the officer.

518 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Aug 18, 2014 8:25:42am

re: #508 Feline Fearless Leader

You know who else thought jazz music was degenerate and not beneficial to the state and the Fatherland!
/// :p

Ted Nugent?

519 sagehen  Aug 18, 2014 8:26:00am

re: #454 Pie-onist Overlord

The Dixiecrats

um… pbs made a wee error. “The Civil Rights Act of 1957 was introduced and strongly supported by Senator Lyndon B. Johnson (D-TX)”. Not so.

This was Eisenhower’s Civil Rights Bill, a very strong bill indeed until Majority Leader LBJ moved it around through a bunch of committees and had it watered down to almost nothing.

The 1964 CRA and 1965 VRA were his belated admission that he’d done wrong.

520 Franklin  Aug 18, 2014 8:26:04am

re: #516 thedopefishlives

Thing is, I think many of us would be at least OK with this (saddened, probably, but OK) if it was demonstrated that Brown had charged or was charging the officer, presenting an imminent threat to his safety. But the guy was gunned down, unarmed, at range, obviously surrendering to the authorities and no threat to anyone. It doesn’t matter if he was shot in the front or the back, there’s no justification for it.

Yes and no. IF Brown had charged from a distance and was shot at 35 feet then I would disagree.

521 HappyWarrior  Aug 18, 2014 8:30:18am

re: #519 sagehen

um… pbs made a wee error. “The Civil Rights Act of 1957 was introduced and strongly supported by Senator Lyndon B. Johnson (D-TX)”. Not so.

This was Eisenhower’s Civil Rights Bill, a very strong bill indeed until Majority Leader LBJ moved it around through a bunch of committees and had it watered down to almost nothing.

The 1964 CRA and 1965 VRA were his belated admission that he’d done wrong.

1957 CRA’s passage actually owes a lot of thanks to Nixon. He was VP at the time. I think that’s what makes Nixon’s Southern Strategy all the more sad. Nixon as a Congressman, Senator, and VP had a solid record on the issue. It is Nixon in 1960 who has the highest percentage of the AA vote since that time.

522 Stanley Sea  Aug 18, 2014 8:33:46am

OT for a sec

523 A Mom Anon  Aug 18, 2014 8:34:00am

re: #319 FemNaziBitch

I love her!!

524 Charles Johnson  Aug 18, 2014 8:34:13am
525 Charles Johnson  Aug 18, 2014 8:34:33am
526 urbanmeemaw  Aug 18, 2014 8:36:13am

I just caught the tail end of the news conference with the medical examiner who stated that Mike Brown could have survived all of his wounds had he not been shot in the head. To me it’s very sad that he was shot 5 times to begin with, but somehow hearing that it was the sixth shot that killed him made me so much sadder. I’m so sick of the vilification of these young, unarmed black men who never get a chance to defend themselves.

527 b.d.  Aug 18, 2014 8:36:36am

Whah, trouble in the Dudebro paradiso:

It was fine when the great and powerful Greenwald was working there though.

528 Ryan King  Aug 18, 2014 8:40:36am

re: #493 thedopefishlives

So one of my Facebook friends just lit a bomb on a discussion group I’m a member of, bashing people who jumped on the “emotional narrative” of an “innocent unarmed kid getting shot in the back 6 times” and that we should “wait for the facts” before deciding. Yes, because being shot 6 times in the front for jaywalking and (possibly, depending on whether the cop actually knew or not, which seems to be a fact in dispute) shoplifting is any better, you douchebag. Ugh. How go things among the lizardfolk?

It’s a smarmy passive aggressive reaction to the reality that what is apparent yet not 100% confirmed by facts is actually true.

Poor white people. They may have to come to terms that our society is still racist and oppresses others. People other than them.

529 urbanmeemaw  Aug 18, 2014 8:42:09am

re: #527 b.d.

Whah, trouble in the Dudebro paradiso:

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It was fine when the great and powerful Greenwald was working there though.

Would that be the jungle encrusted yapping dog paradise where Godwald lives? Thanks! I needed a laugh this morning! (Charles really ought to publish his series of tweets on the NYT Greenwald tongue bath as “Fifty Shades of Grift”. (And if I stole that title from a previous commenter I apologize).

530 wrenchwench  Aug 18, 2014 8:42:10am

re: #526 urbanmeemaw

I just caught the tail end of the news conference with the medical examiner who stated that Mike Brown could have survived all of his wounds had he not been shot in the head. To me it’s very sad that he was shot 5 times to begin with, but somehow hearing that it was the sixth shot that killed him made me so much sadder. I’m so sick of the vilification of these young, unarmed black men who never get a chance to defend themselves.

When Gabby Giffords was shot in the head, her life was saved by a large brown young man who cradled her head in his lap and tried to stop the bleeding. But she’s white, was a congresswoman at the time, married to an astronaut, and was rushed to the finest medical institution in the area. Some of that did not apply to Michael Brown. In fact, the only things Giffords and Brown have in common is being shot in the head by an irresponsible white guy.

531 urbanmeemaw  Aug 18, 2014 8:44:06am

Very sad indeed.

532 sagehen  Aug 18, 2014 8:45:28am

OT: the perfect final touch to my perfect couch… the delivery was to be “some time between 9am and noon.” They showed up at 9:02.

533 Charles Johnson  Aug 18, 2014 8:45:29am
534 Charles Johnson  Aug 18, 2014 8:46:13am
535 Eventual Carrion  Aug 18, 2014 8:46:43am

re: #502 Backwoods_Sleuth

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What about kneeling down with head slightly turned down? Maybe the cop couldn’t hit a moving target as he was running away, but got a good bead once he stopped, turned, put arms up, knelt down, then got unloaded on.

536 HKatz  Aug 18, 2014 8:49:13am

re: #533 Charles Johnson

Saw that too - I wonder what mental contortions people will go through now to justify the shooting - that Mike Brown was both facing forward and back, that he was growing in size like the Incredible Hulk and reaching for the gun with Inspector Gadget arms… and yet somehow the graceful cop managed to soar up in the air and shoot him in the top of his head…

537 wrenchwench  Aug 18, 2014 8:49:28am

re: #534 Charles Johnson

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Any signs of struggle on the cop? I guess we’ll never know. Michael Brown gets three autopsies because nobody trusts anybody else, but we don’t even get an after-shooting photo of the cop unless it’s from the cellphone of a guy who doesn’t want to be next.

538 Danny  Aug 18, 2014 8:49:45am

Link

Looks like inside of arm was toward Wilson for at least some shots.

539 gwangung  Aug 18, 2014 8:50:02am

re: #535 Eventual Carrion

What about kneeling down with head slightly turned down? Maybe the cop couldn’t hit a moving target as he was running away, but got a good bead once he stopped, turned, put arms up, knelt down, then got unloaded on.

You know…

If Michael Brown was charging the officer, why were his hands UNDER his body?
Hands under body would be easier if he was still….hands up could collapse under body.

540 HKatz  Aug 18, 2014 8:50:23am

On how protestors have been dealt with…

541 Lidane  Aug 18, 2014 8:50:49am

re: #534 Charles Johnson

No signs of a struggle. If there’s any gunpowder residue it was on his clothing, not his body. Five of the six shots that hit him wouldn’t have been fatal, but the last one was.

Sickening.

542 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 18, 2014 8:51:29am

re: #534 Charles Johnson

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Wingnuts are saying Brown was full of Teh Drugs even though tox report hasn’t been released.

543 Lidane  Aug 18, 2014 8:51:59am

re: #540 HKatz

And everyone who thought that a white rancher evading his fees for 20+ years was facing police oppression and/or tyranny when the BLM pulled up can go fuck themselves.

544 Lidane  Aug 18, 2014 8:52:13am

re: #542 Pie-onist Overlord

Wingnuts are saying Brown was full of Teh Drugs even though tox report hasn’t been released.

Anything to justify his murder. It’s as simple as that.

545 lawhawk  Aug 18, 2014 8:52:37am

But remember, it’s the community that is engaging in violence.

We cannot and should not ignore law enforcement’s excessive use of force, and singling out journalists for harassment and arrest.

This is hardly an isolated case in Ferguson.

In fact, there are an increasing and troubling number of incidents. Among the more notable:

Two journalists, including one from the WaPo, were taken from a McDonalds and arrested without charges (released shortly thereafter).

An al Jazeera video crew was targeted by police with tear/smoke grenade and their equipment was shut down by county police.

Chris Hayes was targeted - and anyone who stepped more than a few feet from the journalist enclave would be spot-lit and targeted by police with hair-triggers (even though the military trains soldiers not to aim weapons at anyone unless you’re ready to shoot that person, the county and local police department are purposefully aiming their weapons at anyone/everyone at the slightest provocation, which includes breathing, reporting, and protesting).

And now this reporter, Pearl Gable for the NY Daily News handcuffed and harassed.

When the cop was satisfied I was a newspaper photographer doing my job, he gave me back my belongings.

He asked, “Who do you work for?”

I said, “The New York Daily News.”

“Welcome to St. Louis,” he said before letting me go.

And not without a hint of irony. Now imagine being a Ferguson resident who has to deal with these officers on a daily basis.

Additional journalists were arrested/detained.

Overnight, several journalists reported being detained, threatened or otherwise prevented from covering the unfolding story. The arrest late Sunday night of three reporters — Robert Klemko of Sports Illustrated, Chicago-based Financial Times reporter Neil Munshi and Rob Crilly, a foreign correspondent for the Telegraph (and no stranger to war zones) — reportedly came as the journalists attempted to gather more information while police faced off with protesters.

They were ordered arrested by Missouri Highway Patrol Capt. Ron Johnson, who has been serving as a critical bridge between the Ferguson community and law enforcement.

Klemko claims that they had followed all the police instructions, and they were released shortly thereafter.

But this shows that the police, even Capt. Johnson, are pushing the boundaries on proper law enforcement.

546 HappyWarrior  Aug 18, 2014 8:53:59am

re: #540 HKatz

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On how protestors have been dealt with…

That times a 1000.

547 danarchy  Aug 18, 2014 8:54:17am

I am probably going to get pilloried for this, but the whole this kid didn’t deserve to be killed for shoplifting or jaywalking thing kind of annoys the hell out of me. No he didn’t deserve to be killed for any reason, but if you think the cop at any point made a conscious decision to kill a kid for jaywalking you are as deluded as people who think Michael Brown was some sort of raving violent lunatic.

People who think it is inconceivable that a kid would get into an a physical altercation with a cop they day before he is supposed to start college seem to be perfectly willing to believe the cop summarily executed him for walking in the street. I believe the cop screwed up big time, I think he should be charged and tried for it. I also believe that there was some sort of altercation and the guys adrenaline got pumping and he freaked and made the worst decision of his life.

548 Ryan King  Aug 18, 2014 8:54:38am

Anatomy of Fallacy:

Payne states a stupid notion, I call him on it for being faux intellectualism, he responds by saying he doesn’t trust intellectuals because ‘real world.’

As if smart people are assumed to be stupid about ‘real world’ because… well just because.

What’s baffling is that this is a seemingly smart and obviously articulate man. However, the ideology has crossed the wires and the irony is that he’s become what he professes to hate.

549 Bulworth  Aug 18, 2014 8:56:27am

re:
#526

What about the bullet through the eye?

550 Lidane  Aug 18, 2014 8:57:08am

re: #547 danarchy

Once more with feeling — if they could take the Aurora theater shooter alive, then Michael Brown could have been taken alive. It’s as simple as that.

There are apparently no signs of a struggle on his body. No gunpowder residue. Most of his injuries weren’t fatal, but then the cop shot him in the head. There is nothing in this case to warrant the cop executing him with extreme prejudice on the open street. Altercation or not, nothing justifies a cop emptying his gun at someone who is running away from him or on his knees surrendering. Period.

551 makeitstop  Aug 18, 2014 8:57:31am

re: #547 danarchy

People who think it is inconceivable that a kid would get into an a physical altercation with a cop they day before he is supposed to start college seem to be perfectly willing to believe the cop summarily executed him for walking in the street.

No signs of struggle on Michael Brown’s body, as per the family’s autopsy.

As for the cop - we’ll never know because they hustled his ass out of town.

552 wrenchwench  Aug 18, 2014 8:59:18am

re: #547 danarchy

if you think the cop at any point made a conscious decision to kill a kid for jaywalking you are as deluded as people who think Michael Brown was some sort of raving violent lunatic.

The cop should be well-trained enough and skilled enough not to murder a kid when his stated intention was to move him to the sidewalk. No amount of adrenaline would cause a skilled cop to get into an altercation over jaywalking.

He needed to make a conscious decision NOT to kill the kid, apparently. A skilled cop wouldn’t have gotten to that point.

553 Danny  Aug 18, 2014 9:00:05am

re: #551 makeitstop

No signs of struggle on Michael Brown’s body, as per the family’s autopsy.

As for the cop - we’ll never know because they hustled his ass out of town.

Hospital records.

554 gwangung  Aug 18, 2014 9:00:24am

re: #552 wrenchwench

The cop should be well-trained enough and skilled enough not to murder a kid when his stated intention was to move him to the sidewalk. No amount of adrenaline would cause a skilled cop to get into an altercation over jaywalking.

He needed to make a conscious decision NOT to kill the kid, apparently. A skilled cop wouldn’t have gotten to that point.

Actually, I replace “skilled” with “bare bones competent”, but that’s just me…

555 lawhawk  Aug 18, 2014 9:01:22am

re: #547 danarchy

Wilson made the conscious decision to unholster his firearm. It was his decision to then use it, and whether it was training (or lack thereof), target fixation, or any other condition, he proceeded to fire on Brown until he was dead.

Witnesses all seem to back up the family claims that Wilson engaged in premeditated murder - in escalating the situation from a run-of-the-mill street stop to a violent encounter.

There’s still information missing from the incident, because we simply don’t know what Brown did, what Wilson did, from the moment that Wilson stopped Brown for walking in the street along with his friend Darien Johnson.

Still, if Brown was intent to surrender, and witnesses corroborate that claim, then why did Wilson continue firing, including the death blow. Once Brown signaled his intention to surrender, each shot fired after that was excessive force.

556 BeachDem  Aug 18, 2014 9:01:30am

re: #469 Lidane

Pretty much. The chances of an unarmed white kid getting executed by police like Michael Brown are less than nil. If that ever DID happen, I can guarantee it would’ve been handled much differently than all this shit in Ferguson.

For fuck’s sake, white kids get away with crimes that a minority kid would get the death penalty for. Look at the “affluenza” case and tell me a black or brown kid could have walked. Our justice system is hopelessly skewed in favor of whites, so of course they don’t see the problem when a black kid gets summarily executed by a cop. Why would they? The system works in their favor.

Witness, white guy, brandishing weapon, aggressive—40 minute chat with police, gets weapon back next day, no charges.

mlive.com

557 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 18, 2014 9:02:48am
558 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Aug 18, 2014 9:02:53am

re: #547 danarchy

The “he was such and such and therefore his death is justified” has been put forth by some wingnuts. The contrary statement is a reaction to that. I don’t think anybody says or implies that the cop killed him because of the shoplifting.

Whether there was any altercation (regardless of who started it), the evidence presented so far seems to indicate an unlawful killing and “adrenaline” is no excuse.

559 lawhawk  Aug 18, 2014 9:03:05am

Hoft is going with the Brown charged Wilson, and Wilson had no choice but to shoot. Except for the whole part about all the eyewitnesses who saw him surrendering.

Idiot.

560 makeitstop  Aug 18, 2014 9:03:54am

re: #553 Danny

Hospital records.

Police conduct in Ferguson has gotten me cynical enough to believe that when they time comes to present evidence, the police will have nothing that hasn’t been tampered with, contaminated or outright destroyed.

They’re obviously going all in to get Wilson off the hook. I would put nothing past them at this point in time.

561 NJDhockeyfan  Aug 18, 2014 9:04:54am
562 Skip Intro  Aug 18, 2014 9:05:28am

re: #559 lawhawk

Hoft is going with the Brown charged Wilson, and Wilson had no choice but to shoot. Except for the whole part about all the eyewitnesses who saw him surrendering.

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Idiot.

Yeah, but those witnesses are the wrong color so their statements are worthless.

563 Lidane  Aug 18, 2014 9:05:53am

re: #560 makeitstop

They’re obviously going all in to get Wilson off the hook. I would put nothing past them at this point in time.

The fix was in the moment they revealed that Wilson had skipped town days before they named him. Everything else is details.

564 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Aug 18, 2014 9:06:31am

re: #559 lawhawk

Wait, he implies that it was confirmed during the presscon that Brown “charged” at the cop. I assume he found this bit during butt-spelunking.

565 gwangung  Aug 18, 2014 9:06:56am

re: #559 lawhawk

Hoft is going with the Brown charged Wilson, and Wilson had no choice but to shoot. Except for the whole part about all the eyewitnesses who saw him surrendering.

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Idiot.

He was shot in palm and inside of arm. Hard to do if bull rushing (though possible).

Death scene shots show hands underneath body, by hips. Think that’s VERY hard to do if bull rushing.

566 thedopefishlives  Aug 18, 2014 9:07:17am

re: #564 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

Wait, he implies that it was confirmed during the presscon that Brown “charged” at the cop. I assume he found this bit during butt-spelunking.

Mr. Hoft doesn’t just jump to conclusions; he leaps at them with nary a parachute in sight.

567 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 18, 2014 9:08:03am

This is a totally sick racist cartoon by stark raving bonkers wingnut Michael Ramirez:

568 Mattand  Aug 18, 2014 9:08:16am

re: #547 danarchy

People who think it is inconceivable that a kid would get into an a physical altercation with a cop they day before he is supposed to start college seem to be perfectly willing to believe the cop summarily executed him for walking in the street.

There’s at least 3 witnesses, none of whom apparently know each other, who saw the execution, as you correctly described it. Three witnesses whom the Ferugson PD have refused to interview.

What’s your take on that?

569 iossarian  Aug 18, 2014 9:08:18am

re: #564 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

Wait, he implies that it was confirmed during the presscon that Brown “charged” at the cop. I assume he found this bit during butt-spelunking.

Standard operating procedure: report something vaguely fact-based and then add in speculative made-up detail that supports the pre-ordained narrative.

Trayvon Martin all over again.

Fuckers.

570 William Barnett-Lewis  Aug 18, 2014 9:08:19am

re: #559 lawhawk

Hoft is going with the Brown charged Wilson, and Wilson had no choice but to shoot. Except for the whole part about all the eyewitnesses who saw him surrendering.

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Idiot.

Racist pig says what? Tell me another lie, Dim Jim.

571 Lidane  Aug 18, 2014 9:09:11am

American conservatives in a nutshell:

White cop shooting an unarmed black kid for no reason? OK.

Having RWNJ/Tea Party/sovereign citizen types as the bad guys in a video game? ZOMG ELEVENTY HERPTY DERP!

Conservatives up in arms over video game with sovereign citizen Tea Partiers as the bad guys

Conservative broadcaster Glenn Beck expressed dismay at what he called “American constitutionalists and Tea Party people” being made the bad guys in the game.

“Let’s go to the game that has just come out that makes American constitutionalists and Tea Party people the enemy. And you can go and shoot them,” Beck said on his radio show.”Anybody have a problem with this?”

Beck and his guests wondered how younger people will be able to “differentiate” between the bad guys in the video game, and real life Tea Party types

“That’s exactly what I thought,” Glenn added. “If Raphe went over to somebody’s house, and they had this… He knows when we’re around that that flag will fly… He knows that we’re members of the Tea Party, if you will. We support it. He goes over and plays that game… ‘Well, wait a minute, My dad believes in some of those things.’ …. What does he think?”

572 lawhawk  Aug 18, 2014 9:09:24am

re: #564 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

Wait, he implies that it was confirmed during the presscon that Brown “charged” at the cop. I assume he found this bit during butt-spelunking.

It’s probably reading more in to the forward-backward comment made by Dr. Baden.

Note that Baden doesn’t have all information (including Brown’s clothes) to make a more solid determination, plus lack of access to witnesses, crime scene, and other evidence. So, his statements are pending more information.

Hoft simply asserts that Brown was charging, even though all witnesses that have come forward indicate that Brown was surrendering, backing away, etc.

573 Danny  Aug 18, 2014 9:09:25am

re: #560 makeitstop

Police conduct in Ferguson has gotten me cynical enough to believe that when they time comes to present evidence, the police will have nothing that hasn’t been tampered with, contaminated or outright destroyed.

They’re obviously going all in to get Wilson off the hook. I would put nothing past them at this point in time.

Hospital staff, insurance company and doctor(s) would have to be complicit in the tampering/destroying of hospital records. I don’t think that is likely.

574 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Aug 18, 2014 9:09:42am

re: #566 thedopefishlives

Mr. Hoft doesn’t just jump to conclusions; he leaps at them with nary a parachute in sight.

“Who says we can’t invent our own reality? Hold my bear and watch this…”

575 b.d.  Aug 18, 2014 9:10:03am

re: #559 lawhawk

Hoft is going with the Brown charged Wilson, and Wilson had no choice but to shoot. Except for the whole part about all the eyewitnesses who saw him surrendering.

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Idiot.

Charging someone with your head parallel to the ground like Curly in the 3 Stooges doesn’t happen in real life.

576 danarchy  Aug 18, 2014 9:10:10am

re: #555 lawhawk

Still, if Brown was intent to surrender, and witnesses corroborate that claim, then why did Wilson continue firing, including the death blow. Once Brown signaled his intention to surrender, each shot fired after that was excessive force.

The first shot was probably excessive. I never said I believe he was justified, just that I don’t believe he was a wanna be judge dredd. He fucked up…bad…and he should pay the price, I just don’t understand why people seem to need to make him into some sort of cold blooded assassin.

577 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Aug 18, 2014 9:11:27am

re: #572 lawhawk

I found the statement odd. Surely the wounds are also compatible with him being still?

578 Ryan King  Aug 18, 2014 9:11:54am

re: #576 danarchy

… I just don’t understand why people seem to need to make him into some sort of cold blooded assassin.

Strawman.

579 Ryan King  Aug 18, 2014 9:13:00am

Charging like a bull

Undeniable proof Jim Hoft still watches cartoons.

580 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Aug 18, 2014 9:13:14am

re: #576 danarchy

The first shot was probably excessive. I never said I believe he was justified, just that I don’t believe he was a wanna be judge dredd. He fucked up…bad…and he should pay the price, I just don’t understand why people seem to need to make him into some sort of cold blooded assassin.

Because he seems to have made himself into one?

581 wrenchwench  Aug 18, 2014 9:13:29am

re: #576 danarchy

The first shot was probably excessive. I never said I believe he was justified, just that I don’t believe he was a wanna be judge dredd. He fucked up…bad…and he should pay the price, I just don’t understand why people seem to need to make him into some sort of cold blooded assassin.

What do you think he should be made into? Or what do you think he is?

The cold-blooded part might come from turning away the nurse who wanted to do CPR, more than the shooting itself.

582 HKatz  Aug 18, 2014 9:13:35am

re: #576 danarchy

I haven’t heard people call him a “cold-blooded assassin.” People would have been more calm in general had there been signs of a good faith investigation - the anger isn’t even only at Wilson but at the whole way this is being handled. The handling of the investigation is what’s really calculating and cold-blooded.

583 wrenchwench  Aug 18, 2014 9:15:08am

re: #571 Lidane

American conservatives in a nutshell:

White cop shooting an unarmed black kid for no reason? OK.

Having RWNJ/Tea Party/sovereign citizen types as the bad guys in a video game? ZOMG ELEVENTY HERPTY DERP!

Conservatives up in arms over video game with sovereign citizen Tea Partiers as the bad guys

Mooooooooommmmmmmmmmmmm!! He’s hitting me back!!!

584 Lidane  Aug 18, 2014 9:15:12am

re: #576 danarchy

I just don’t understand why people seem to need to make him into some sort of cold blooded assassin.

Because he emptied his gun into an unarmed kid that was on his knees with his hands up in surrender and begging for his life?

585 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Aug 18, 2014 9:15:18am

Ok, hot-blooded. Isn’t much better.

586 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 18, 2014 9:15:59am

re: #574 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

“Who says we can’t invent our own reality? Hold my bear and watch this…”

heh…I saw what you did there…

587 EPR-radar  Aug 18, 2014 9:16:05am

re: #576 danarchy

The first shot was probably excessive. I never said I believe he was justified, just that I don’t believe he was a wanna be judge dredd. He fucked up…bad…and he should pay the price, I just don’t understand why people seem to need to make him into some sort of cold blooded assassin.

IMO the original incident was most likely a lethal screw-up by the cop, who probably had his authority insufficiently respected by the kid.

What is cold-blooded in all of this is the clear determination of FPD and its allies to make sure that any evidence relating to the original incident is as tainted as possible, using measures up to and including inciting riots by actions of LE officials.

588 HappyWarrior  Aug 18, 2014 9:16:09am

re: #571 Lidane

American conservatives in a nutshell:

White cop shooting an unarmed black kid for no reason? OK.

Having RWNJ/Tea Party/sovereign citizen types as the bad guys in a video game? ZOMG ELEVENTY HERPTY DERP!

Conservatives up in arms over video game with sovereign citizen Tea Partiers as the bad guys

And yet Glenn has no problem comparing people he dislikes ot Nazis. So Glenn STFU over a video game portrayal of your pathetic movement.

589 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 18, 2014 9:16:53am
590 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Aug 18, 2014 9:18:19am

re: #586 Backwoods_Sleuth

heh…I saw what you did there…

No, it was one of those involuntarily ingenious typos./

591 EPR-radar  Aug 18, 2014 9:18:28am

re: #588 HappyWarrior

And yet Glenn has no problem comparing people he dislikes ot Nazis. So Glenn STFU over a video game portrayal of your pathetic movement.

It is entirely appropriate that US movement conservative types be villains in a video game. In real life, they usually act the part anyway.

592 makeitstop  Aug 18, 2014 9:18:57am

re: #573 Danny

Hospital staff, insurance company and doctor(s) would have to be complicit in the tampering/destroying of hospital records. I don’t think that is likely.

Who would have thought it ‘likely’ that the police would systematically escalate an already bad situation, or arrest/mace journalists and elected officials, or threaten to shoot them?

‘Likely/not likely’ is out the window here. I trust no one in a position of authority in Ferguson at this point, with the sole exception of Antonio French.

593 Mattand  Aug 18, 2014 9:19:07am

re: #576 danarchy

The first shot was probably excessive. I never said I believe he was justified, just that I don’t believe he was a wanna be judge dredd. He fucked up…bad…and he should pay the price, I just don’t understand why people seem to need to make him into some sort of cold blooded assassin.

Honestly, chief, you’re straying into a sort of uncomfortable Magic Balance Fairy area here.

“Sure, he excessively shot a kid 6 times, but let’s not call him names! That’s not fair and just darn mean!”

I’m also guessing you’re like me, in that you’re not part of community that regularly gets harassed by police due to skin pigmentation.

594 NJDhockeyfan  Aug 18, 2014 9:19:44am

re: #589 Backwoods_Sleuth

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595 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 18, 2014 9:24:08am

re: #559 lawhawk

Hoft is going with the Brown charged Wilson, and Wilson had no choice but to shoot. Except for the whole part about all the eyewitnesses who saw him surrendering.

[Embedded content]

Idiot.

“Like a bull” with his two index fingers at the side of his head like horns,
//I just can’t even

596 Feline Fearless Leader  Aug 18, 2014 9:24:44am

re: #595 Pie-onist Overlord

“Like a bull” with his two index fingers at the side of his head like horns,
//I just can’t even

Those weren’t horns. Obviously double “gang sign”.
/// :p

597 BeachDem  Aug 18, 2014 9:25:56am

re: #559 lawhawk

Hoft is going with the Brown charged Wilson, and Wilson had no choice but to shoot. Except for the whole part about all the eyewitnesses who saw him surrendering.

[Embedded content]

Idiot.

Not just charged, but charged like a bull. Hoft is beyond idiot—he’s a malicious asshole.

598 urbanmeemaw  Aug 18, 2014 9:29:25am

re: #556 BeachDem

Loved this wording:

“Police reports and recordings of a sometimes tense 40-minute encounter with a belligerent, rifle-toting man offers insight into how officers tried to defuse a volatile situation without infringing on his right to openly carry the gun on a city street.”

Shorter mainslime media translation which seems to dominate all narratives around these killings of Black people:

“The right to openly carry a gun on a city street or on Federal land and behave in a ‘belligerent’ manner trumps the right of a young unarmed man to walk down the middle of a street without being shot”.

I know. One is “lawful” (openly carrying the gun) and the other (jaywalking while Black) is “unlawful”). Plus white people not scary and freedumz.

599 urbanmeemaw  Aug 18, 2014 9:34:24am

re: #572 lawhawk

It’s probably reading more in to the forward-backward comment made by Dr. Baden.

Note that Baden doesn’t have all information (including Brown’s clothes) to make a more solid determination, plus lack of access to witnesses, crime scene, and other evidence. So, his statements are pending more information.

Hoft simply asserts that Brown was charging, even though all witnesses that have come forward indicate that Brown was surrendering, backing away, etc.

I believe I heard Dr. Baden say that the wound could have been sustained by Mike Brown either going forward or backward. I only caught the tail end of the press conference but I heard that statement.

600 FemNaziBitch  Aug 18, 2014 9:34:29am

How is it now?

601 Ace-o-aces  Aug 18, 2014 9:35:26am

re: #559 lawhawk

Hoft is going with the Brown charged Wilson, and Wilson had no choice but to shoot. Except for the whole part about all the eyewitnesses who saw him surrendering.

Eyewitnesses all lying, theiving N*&GROS!!!!! But democrats iz reel razits!!!!!

602 lawhawk  Aug 18, 2014 9:36:39am

OT:

603 FemNaziBitch  Aug 18, 2014 9:40:01am

re: #442 danarchy

Speaking of ebola, this happened in Liberia.

voanews.com

So, are we restricting travelers from Liberia?

604 Shiplord Kirel  Aug 18, 2014 9:41:09am

re: #559 lawhawk

Hoft is going with the Brown charged Wilson, and Wilson had no choice but to shoot. Except for the whole part about all the eyewitnesses who saw him surrendering.

[Embedded content]

Idiot.

“like a bull.”

The “wild animal” narrative again. Fuck you, Hoft.

605 Jayleia  Aug 18, 2014 9:41:27am

re: #603 FemNaziBitch

Build the durn fence!

606 FemNaziBitch  Aug 18, 2014 9:44:15am

VOCABULARY WORD OF THE DAY:

Ebola is a Filoviridae

Filoviruses belong to a virus family called Filoviridae and can cause severe hemorrhagic fever in humans and nonhuman primates. So far, only two members of this virus family have been identified: Marburgvirus and Ebolavirus. Five species of Ebolavirus have been identified: Taï Forest (formerly Ivory Coast), Sudan, Zaire, Reston and Bundibugyo. Ebola-Reston is the only known Filovirus that does not cause severe disease in humans; however, it can still be fatal in monkeys and it has been recently recovered from infected swine in South-east Asia.

607 FemNaziBitch  Aug 18, 2014 9:45:38am

re: #605 Jayleia

Build the durn fence!

Nah, just irradiate all luggage and stuff coming in from Liberia.

:0

608 psddluva4evah  Aug 18, 2014 9:46:51am
609 FemNaziBitch  Aug 18, 2014 9:47:01am

The FDA has a Bad Bug Book.

Who knew?

610 psddluva4evah  Aug 18, 2014 9:48:41am

I called it on another website. the County waited to release tox report cause they wanted to see if there was something there to exploit. And I was told there was probably not the case And there you have it weed.

611 FemNaziBitch  Aug 18, 2014 9:49:25am

re: #609 FemNaziBitch

The FDA has a Bad Bug Book.

Who knew?

It’s $3.99 on Kindle.

612 Teukka  Aug 18, 2014 9:50:05am

re: #581 wrenchwench

What do you think he should be made into? Or what do you think he is?

The cold-blooded part might come from turning away the nurse who wanted to do CPR, more than the shooting itself.

IIRC, they didn’t even allow her to even check the guys vitals.

613 makeitstop  Aug 18, 2014 9:51:19am

re: #610 psddluva4evah

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And there we are. The smearing of a dead black kid is complete.

I fuckin’ hate this country some days. Spit.

614 lawhawk  Aug 18, 2014 9:51:42am
615 NJDhockeyfan  Aug 18, 2014 9:51:49am
616 BeachDem  Aug 18, 2014 9:51:49am

re: #608 psddluva4evah

When The Media Treats White Suspects And Killers Better Than Black Victims

huffingtonpost.com

Edit—Fixed link

617 GunstarGreen  Aug 18, 2014 9:52:03am

re: #571 Lidane

American conservatives in a nutshell:

White cop shooting an unarmed black kid for no reason? OK.

Having RWNJ/Tea Party/sovereign citizen types as the bad guys in a video game? ZOMG ELEVENTY HERPTY DERP!

Conservatives up in arms over video game with sovereign citizen Tea Partiers as the bad guys

FREEDUMB OF SPEACH!!11!11!!1 PEE-SEE OUT OF CONTRUHL!!1!!11!11

It’s that age-old fun game: find a jackass spouting off about “the overly-sensitive libr’ruls” or how “political correctness is run amok”, and then tell them that their god is a lie and their friends are domestic terrorists.

My oh my, how quickly ideals like “Constitutionality” fall by the wayside when it’s their ideology under the knife.

618 lawhawk  Aug 18, 2014 9:53:24am
619 lawhawk  Aug 18, 2014 9:54:31am
620 HKatz  Aug 18, 2014 9:55:02am

Here’s a guy in St. Louis who was wanted for burglary.

He hid in a basement. When police tried to force their way in, he allegedly slammed the door on one officer’s hand, breaking it, and then when they finally got the door open apparently continued to fight and kick.

He’s still alive though. Arrested and taken in alive.

kmov.com

621 FemNaziBitch  Aug 18, 2014 9:56:01am

re: #620 HKatz

Here’s a guy in St. Louis who was wanted for burglary.

He hid in a basement. When police tried to force their way in, he allegedly slammed the door on one officer’s hand, breaking it, and then when they finally got the door open apparently continued to fight and kick.

He’s still alive though. Arrested and taken in alive.

kmov.com

He’s a white guy, NEXT

622 b.d.  Aug 18, 2014 9:56:17am

re: #610 psddluva4evah

I called it on another website. the County waited to release tox report cause they wanted to see if there was something there to exploit. And I was told there was probably not the case And there you have it weed.

[Embedded content]

Weed.

The drug that sends people into a confrontational rage.

//

623 Lidane  Aug 18, 2014 9:56:31am

re: #605 Jayleia

Build the durn fence!

I keep waiting for the BUILD A FENCE morans to realize that most of the land on the border is privately owned. Building the fence they want would run them face first into their other bugaboo, eminent domain.

624 A Mom Anon  Aug 18, 2014 9:57:20am

I’ve been smoking pot, off and on, for 40 years. I’ve been around a lot of people who smoked in that time. I have never once been aggressive, or experienced anyone I knew being aggressive while smoking weed. EVER. OK, maybe people were a little grabby over the snack foods or something, but beyond that, nope. Why in the fuck is this even an issue, especially in 2014?

I’m half scared to go look at my facebook feed now. Fuck. What a mess.

625 Lidane  Aug 18, 2014 9:58:44am

Can’t watch this at work but this just happened:

New Video Shows Immediate Aftermath Of Michael Brown Shooting

New video released Monday reportedly showing the immediate aftermath of the killing of unarmed teenager Michael Brown by Ferguson, Mo. police officer Darren Wilson.

CNN aired the footage Monday during an interview with eyewitness Piaget Crenshaw, who said she recorded it following the Aug. 9 shooting.

According to Crenshaw, the footage shows Michael Brown’s body laying in the middle of the street as Wilson stood over him speaking to another officer.

626 Jayleia  Aug 18, 2014 10:00:45am

re: #623 Lidane

Its fun when their brains start to process two opposing desires, and have no viable third option (not counting BENGHAZI!)

627 FemNaziBitch  Aug 18, 2014 10:00:59am

Twisted Logic:

So, the meme is that young black men are inherently dangerous. This originated pre-civil war—no? Young men of any color are prone to violently resist unjust authority —thus, the young slave men in question were violent and black, it must have been their skin color that caused their inability to behave. This lack of proper behavior justified violent “disciplining” by those in authority.

After the Civil War, during the Jim Crow era, young former-slave men continued to be prone to violently resist unjust authority —thus, again, it must have been their color of their skin that was the source of their inability to behave. This lack of proper behavior justified violent “disciplining” by those in authority.

During the Civil Rights Era, the same meme continued and justified violent “disciplining” by those in authority.

Do I see a pattern here?

628 Eventual Carrion  Aug 18, 2014 10:01:38am

re: #584 Lidane

Because he emptied his gun into an unarmed kid that was on his knees with his hands up in surrender and begging for his life?

Sounds cold blooded, and the “last” shot to the head sounds like execution.

629 FemNaziBitch  Aug 18, 2014 10:02:05am

re: #622 b.d.

Weed.

The drug that sends people into a confrontational rage.

//

Just ask Sean Hannity. There is a very, minute portion of the population that always reacts in the opposite way expected to any drug.

In the US, this percentage is always young, black and male.

630 FemNaziBitch  Aug 18, 2014 10:03:23am

re: #628 Eventual Carrion

Sounds cold blooded, and the “last” shot to the head sounds like execution.

For stealing twinkies or whatever?

631 Eventual Carrion  Aug 18, 2014 10:07:07am

re: #604 Shiplord Kirel

“like a bull.”

The “wild animal” narrative again. Fuck you, Hoft.

While Jim spouts his ignorance like a loon.

632 Eventual Carrion  Aug 18, 2014 10:09:48am

re: #610 psddluva4evah

I called it on another website. the County waited to release tox report cause they wanted to see if there was something there to exploit. And I was told there was probably not the case And there you have it weed.

[Embedded content]

So do I. From one I smoked over the weekend. Should I be concerned about getting executed?

633 Eventual Carrion  Aug 18, 2014 10:11:36am

re: #614 lawhawk

[Embedded content]

Maybe he got it from Trey Radel. Guess not, it would have been coke then.

634 Eventual Carrion  Aug 18, 2014 10:13:36am

re: #622 b.d.

Weed.

The drug that sends people into a confrontational rage.

//

He should have drank some alcohol to settle down.

635 FemNaziBitch  Aug 18, 2014 10:45:50am

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