St. Louis County Medical Examiner: Michael Brown Was Shot Six to Eight Times, Had Marijuana in His System

Consistent with Baden’s autopsy
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St. Louis County medical examiner Mary Case told the Washington Post this morning that their autopsy on Michael Brown’s body found between six to eight gunshot wounds in Brown’s head and chest (and according to Baden, in his right arm as well), and also detected marijuana in his system.

And the next question from many observers is going to be, what did police officer Darren Wilson have in his system. and was he even tested after the shooting?

While Case declined to comment further, citing the ongoing investigation into Brown’s death, another person familiar with the county’s investigation told The Washington Post that Brown had between six and eight gunshot wounds and was shot from the front.

In addition, Brown had marijuana in his system when he was shot and killed by a police officer on Aug. 9 in Ferguson, according to this person, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because of the ongoing investigation.

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271 comments
1 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Aug 18, 2014 10:00:54am

So he had pot in his system? Big. Fucking. Deal. I am willing to bet most 18 y/o kids have pot in their systems.

2 Lidane  Aug 18, 2014 10:01:38am

Repost from downstairs:

New Video Shows Immediate Aftermath Of Michael Brown Shooting

New video released Monday reportedly showing the immediate aftermath of the killing of unarmed teenager Michael Brown by Ferguson, Mo. police officer Darren Wilson.

CNN aired the footage Monday during an interview with eyewitness Piaget Crenshaw, who said she recorded it following the Aug. 9 shooting.

According to Crenshaw, the footage shows Michael Brown’s body laying in the middle of the street as Wilson stood over him speaking to another officer.

3 b.d.  Aug 18, 2014 10:02:22am

It is a sad day in this nation when a certain segment will be more focused on that fact that this unarmed kid smoked pot rather than the fact he was shot 6 to 8 times.

4 jaunte  Aug 18, 2014 10:02:25am

re: #1 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

I am willing to bet most 18 y/o kids have pot in their systems.

That’s a test that many many older people in business wouldn’t pass.

5 Bulworth  Aug 18, 2014 10:02:44am

This means Brown was a gang-banging, crack-head, dope-dealing, strong-arming crazy whacko guy who bull rushed the innocent cop

6 jaunte  Aug 18, 2014 10:03:09am

We’re going to have to execute Colorado.

7 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Aug 18, 2014 10:03:29am

MJ is irrelevant, but even if not, I would think the presence of marijuana would actually be a problem for Wilson’s defense, when you remember that its effect is usually the opposite of aggressiveness…

8 Charles Johnson  Aug 18, 2014 10:03:34am
9 b.d.  Aug 18, 2014 10:04:25am

Give me a live 18 year old kid with pot in his system over a trigger happy cop any day.

10 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 18, 2014 10:05:22am
11 lawhawk  Aug 18, 2014 10:05:53am

re: #7 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

MJ is irrelevant, but even if not, I would think the presence of marijuana would actually be a problem for Wilson’s defense, when you remember that its effect is usually the opposite of aggressiveness…

You’re assuming that Wilson will ever stand trial for the homicide of Michael Brown.

Much more likely that the DOJ will try him on civil rights violations.

/snark off.

Seriously though, marijuana has a calming effect, the very opposite of the unsubstantiated claims that the right wingers are making.

12 b.d.  Aug 18, 2014 10:05:56am

What did the cop that killed that young man have in his system?

Oh wait, we don’t get to know that answer.

13 Charles Johnson  Aug 18, 2014 10:06:00am
14 bubba zanetti  Aug 18, 2014 10:06:33am

I guess Drudge didn’t get the memo about the new Libertarian Moment?

15 FemNaziBitch  Aug 18, 2014 10:06:34am

Just ask Sean Hannity. There is a very, minute portion of the population that always reacts in the opposite way expected to any drug.

In the US, this percentage is always young, black and male.

16 wrenchwench  Aug 18, 2014 10:06:42am

#YouMightBeAConservative if you think pot in his system is more outrageous than bullets in his system.

17 jaunte  Aug 18, 2014 10:06:44am

Here we go again.

Reefer Madness began its cinematic life as a 1936 cautionary film entitled Tell Your Children. It was financed by a small church group, and was intended to scare the living bejeezus out of every parent who viewed it.
web.archive.org

18 FemNaziBitch  Aug 18, 2014 10:07:21am

re: #17 jaunte

Here we go again.

And funny as shit if you watch it stoned.

19 b.d.  Aug 18, 2014 10:07:29am

Let’s go smoke some pot and go raise some hell, said no one ever.

20 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 18, 2014 10:07:29am
St. Louis County medical examiner Mary Case told the Washington Post this morning that their autopsy on Michael Brown’s body found between six to eight gunshot wounds in Brown’s head and chest…

Can Mary Case not count?
Retracting, since that was not directly quoted from her.

21 psddluva4evah  Aug 18, 2014 10:08:04am
22 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 18, 2014 10:08:41am
23 FemNaziBitch  Aug 18, 2014 10:09:05am

I think there is probably an appropriate caption regarding current events for this picture, but I cannot think of it.

24 jaunte  Aug 18, 2014 10:09:30am
25 ObserverArt  Aug 18, 2014 10:09:31am

Oh great, now we will get all the data that will show that in some people (.002%) pot makes them aggressive. And then they can go on to show how this whole Brown shooting and all the looting and rioting can be stopped by keeping pot illegal.

Look for calls to overturn the laws in Colorado and Washington states.

I’m sure there will be some RWNJs more than ready to start that ‘campaign’ to get as much mileage out of this as possible.

26 FemNaziBitch  Aug 18, 2014 10:10:19am

re: #25 ObserverArt

Oh great, now we will get all the data that will show that in some people (.002%) pot makes them aggressive. And then they can go on to show how this whole Brown shooting and all the looting and rioting can be stopped by keeping pot illegal.

Look for calls to overturn the laws in Colorado and Washington states.

I’m sure there will some RWNJs more than ready to start that ‘campaign’ to get as much mileage out of this as possible.

Same rationalization and justifation used for Trayvon.

27 lawhawk  Aug 18, 2014 10:10:21am

Mike Brown had excessive lead poisoning. That trumps any marijuana found in his system. Cause of death: multiple gunshots, including shots to the head and face.

28 b.d.  Aug 18, 2014 10:10:22am

Smoking pot has probably reduced the violent crime rate in this nation, not increased it.

29 Stanley Sea  Aug 18, 2014 10:10:28am

re: #2 Lidane

Repost from downstairs:

New Video Shows Immediate Aftermath Of Michael Brown Shooting

Saw that this morning before work. She was on CNN with her Mom. She’s crying on the video, it’s so damn sad.

30 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Aug 18, 2014 10:10:36am

re: #20 Backwoods_Sleuth

What is she supposed to say if the results are unclear?

31 b.d.  Aug 18, 2014 10:10:43am

I wish that cop would have smoked a joint.

32 Kid A  Aug 18, 2014 10:11:29am

$50 says no wingnut knows THC can stay in your system for up to 45 days.

33 FemNaziBitch  Aug 18, 2014 10:11:35am

re: #25 ObserverArt

Oh great, now we will get all the data that will show that in some people (.002%) pot makes them aggressive. And then they can go on to show how this whole Brown shooting and all the looting and rioting can be stopped by keeping pot illegal.

Look for calls to overturn the laws in Colorado and Washington states.

I’m sure there will some RWNJs more than ready to start that ‘campaign’ to get as much mileage out of this as possible.

34 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Aug 18, 2014 10:11:57am

re: #23 FemNaziBitch

Skycake.

35 FemNaziBitch  Aug 18, 2014 10:12:02am

re: #31 b.d.

I wish that cop would have smoked a joint.

definitely would have affected his aim.

36 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 18, 2014 10:12:04am

re: #30 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

What is she supposed to say if the results are unclear?

Dr. Baden apparently didn’t have a problem with counting gunshot wounds.

37 ObserverArt  Aug 18, 2014 10:12:28am

re: #28 b.d.

Smoking pot has probably reduced the violent crime rate in this nation, not increased it.

One attack on a cop is too many!!!

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38 Stanley Sea  Aug 18, 2014 10:12:48am

re: #29 Stanley Sea

Saw that this morning before work. She was on CNN with her Mom. She’s crying on the video, it’s so damn sad.

Oh and most important part, police took her phone from her on Saturday, returned it on Tuesday.

39 Charles Johnson  Aug 18, 2014 10:13:10am
40 ObserverArt  Aug 18, 2014 10:13:36am

re: #32 Kid A

$50 says no wingnut knows THC can stay in your system for up to 45 days.

That’s why it is so destructive!!!

///

41 Kragar  Aug 18, 2014 10:13:38am

An anonymous source “confirmed” it?

Yeah, I’ll wait for official results

42 jaunte  Aug 18, 2014 10:14:37am
43 Rightwingconspirator  Aug 18, 2014 10:15:04am

Lets not forget how pot stays in the system. Still no evidence of inebriation Unless we get more detail, compare the level to perhaps what gets you a DUI on Colorado.

He may not have smoked for days.

44 FemNaziBitch  Aug 18, 2014 10:15:19am

Ok, the kid was black allegedly stole something from the quick mart AND had DRUGS!!!! in his system. Definitely a criminal

45 coin operated  Aug 18, 2014 10:15:23am

re: #32 Kid A

I’m not going to take that bet. I have better places to spend that $50 on.

46 BeachDem  Aug 18, 2014 10:15:56am

re: #20 Backwoods_Sleuth

Can Mary Case not count?

That was my first reaction. She’s the medical examiner and it’s still an unanswered question?

47 Skip Intro  Aug 18, 2014 10:16:00am

re: #5 Bulworth

This means Brown was a gang-banging, crack-head, dope-dealing, strong-arming crazy whacko guy who bull rushed the innocent cop

Yeah, because that’s exactly what potheads do.

48 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Aug 18, 2014 10:16:10am

re: #36 Backwoods_Sleuth

Dr. Baden apparently didn’t have a problem with counting gunshot wounds.

Sure. It doesn’t mean he’s 100% right and, therefore, she can’t count. It only means that there is a difference of opinion on the certainty of interpretation of the evidence ;)

49 FemNaziBitch  Aug 18, 2014 10:16:24am

re: #39 Charles Johnson

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A lot of right wingers will rant and rave about Michael Brown smoking pot, then go and toke up themselves.

But they won’t get caught —therefore they are not guilty of anything …

50 Rightwingconspirator  Aug 18, 2014 10:17:06am

re: #32 Kid A

$50 says no wingnut knows THC can stay in your system for up to 45 days.

Sorry Kid A you had already made the point before I dove in…

51 Eventual Carrion  Aug 18, 2014 10:17:22am

re: #1 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

So he had pot in his system? Big. Fucking. Deal. I am willing to bet most 18 y/o kids have pot in their systems.

From downstairs:

Maybe he got it from Trey Radel. Guess not, it would have been coke then.

52 psddluva4evah  Aug 18, 2014 10:19:12am
53 Decatur Deb  Aug 18, 2014 10:19:20am

re: #36 Backwoods_Sleuth

Dr. Baden apparently didn’t have a problem with counting gunshot wounds.

Seems to be more wounds than bullets, some exiting and hitting more than once. There’s room for argument.

54 Skip Intro  Aug 18, 2014 10:19:34am

re: #2 Lidane

According to Crenshaw, the footage shows Michael Brown’s body laying in the middle of the street as Wilson stood over him speaking to another officer.

Probably asking where a good place to go hang out for the next couple of months would be while the PD contaminates the evidence and poisons the well on RWNJ TV and media.

55 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Aug 18, 2014 10:20:44am

re: #53 Decatur Deb

Seems to be more wounds than bullets, some exiting and hitting more than once. There’s room for argument.

Yup. Moreover, it wasn’t Mary Case that uttered the 6-8 wounds bit, it’s some anonymous source. Case declined to comment.

56 FemNaziBitch  Aug 18, 2014 10:20:49am

Remember Bill Whittle?

The formula for Conservative Rationalization and Justification:

Youtube Video

57 jaunte  Aug 18, 2014 10:21:18am

Fox’s Pinkerton Baselessly Speculates Michael Brown Could Have Been “High On Some Drug, Angel Dust Or PCP”
Video

58 Kragar  Aug 18, 2014 10:21:35am
59 Eventual Carrion  Aug 18, 2014 10:21:38am

re: #32 Kid A

$50 says no wingnut knows THC can stay in your system for up to 45 days.

Especially someone that big. A lot of fat to store it.

60 bubba zanetti  Aug 18, 2014 10:22:17am
61 Lidane  Aug 18, 2014 10:22:37am

re: #42 jaunte

That assumes that Darren Wilson will ever see the inside of a courtroom.

No way that happens after this. Not in Missouri anyhow.

62 Decatur Deb  Aug 18, 2014 10:22:48am

re: #57 jaunte

Fox’s Pinkerton Baselessly Speculates Michael Brown Could Have Been “High On Some Drug, Angel Dust Or PCP”
[Embedded content]

Why don’t they just cut straight to demonic possession?

63 FemNaziBitch  Aug 18, 2014 10:23:03am
64 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Aug 18, 2014 10:23:11am

re: #61 Lidane

That assumes that Darren Wilson will ever see the inside of a courtroom.

No way that happens after this. Not in Missouri anyhow.

I hope you are wrong. But the hope is slim.

65 jaunte  Aug 18, 2014 10:23:16am

Michael Brown Could Have Been A Powerful Werewolf

66 FemNaziBitch  Aug 18, 2014 10:24:27am

re: #57 jaunte

Fox’s Pinkerton Baselessly Speculates Michael Brown Could Have Been “High On Some Drug, Angel Dust Or PCP”
[Embedded content]

So, aren’t those ‘80’s drugs?

Are they common street drugs today?

I thought most kids were mixing their own cocktails from otherwise legal pharmaceuticals.

67 Skip Intro  Aug 18, 2014 10:24:32am

re: #64 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

I hope you are wrong. But the hope is slim.

If he does in Missouri, he’ll walk.

Then it will be up to the Feds, and that’s probably a 50-50 proposition.

68 FemNaziBitch  Aug 18, 2014 10:24:40am

re: #65 jaunte

Michael Brown Could Have Been A Powerful Werewolf

WE HAVE A WINNER!!!!!

69 Kid A  Aug 18, 2014 10:24:42am
70 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 18, 2014 10:24:46am

re: #61 Lidane

That assumes that Darren Wilson will ever see the inside of a courtroom.

No way that happens after this. Not in Missouri anyhow.

I’ve been thinking that years from now we’ll be seeing anniversary stories titled: “Where is Darren Wilson Now?” and, still, no one will know.

71 urbanmeemaw  Aug 18, 2014 10:25:30am

re: #23 FemNaziBitch

The Rapture? Does this mean all the RWNJ’s will be swooped up and transported to a live broadcast of Fox and Friends which will last for eternity?

72 Lidane  Aug 18, 2014 10:25:35am

re: #64 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

I hope you are wrong. But the hope is slim.

I’d love to be proven wrong, but the fix is in. He’s not going to be held accountable for murdering Michael Brown. That was obvious the moment they revealed that he’d not only left town, but that he’d been gone for days by the time they named him.

Seating a jury anywhere in Missouri will be impossible after everything that’s happened, and the cops have probably either tainted or destroyed any evidence that would have convicted Wilson of murder.

73 jaunte  Aug 18, 2014 10:25:55am
74 FemNaziBitch  Aug 18, 2014 10:26:41am

re: #71 urbanmeemaw

The Rapture? Does this mean all the RWNJ’s will be swooped up and transported to a live broadcast of Fox and Friends which will last for eternity?

I was thinking about it being the physical manifestation of fear, hatred and paranoia that is xenophobia.

75 Skip Intro  Aug 18, 2014 10:26:49am

re: #57 jaunte

Fox’s Pinkerton Baselessly Speculates Michael Brown Could Have Been “High On Some Drug, Angel Dust Or PCP”
[Embedded content]

So Fox has already moved past what he really had in his system to what he could have had.

You used to need lynch mobs to make leaps like that, but now Fox News does it for you.

76 jaunte  Aug 18, 2014 10:26:50am
77 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Aug 18, 2014 10:26:51am
78 Higgs Boson's Mate  Aug 18, 2014 10:27:29am
And the next question from many observers is going to be, what did police officer Darren Wilson have in his system. and was he even tested after the shooting?

Considering that Officer Wilson didn’t even call in the shooting I’d say that he wasn’t tested for much.

79 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Aug 18, 2014 10:27:36am

and that tweet almost resulted in my phone vibrating itself off my desk from the response when she retweated it lol.

80 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Aug 18, 2014 10:27:38am

re: #55 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

Yup. Moreover, it wasn’t Mary Case that uttered the 6-8 wounds bit, it’s some anonymous source. Case declined to comment.

Charles, I think it’s better to correct your first sentence:

While Case declined to comment further, citing the ongoing investigation into Brown’s death, another person familiar with the county’s investigation told The Washington Post that Brown had between six and eight gunshot wounds and was shot from the front.

81 jaunte  Aug 18, 2014 10:27:52am
82 lawhawk  Aug 18, 2014 10:28:23am
83 KiTA  Aug 18, 2014 10:28:37am

So murder victim Michael Brown had marijuana in his system? K.

Did accused murderer Darren Wilson have steroids or any other narcotic in his system? Oh wait, we’ll never know since his buddies in the police force let him flee.

84 urbanmeemaw  Aug 18, 2014 10:28:48am

re: #74 FemNaziBitch

Yeah. That’s what I said. Fox and Friends. We’re on the same page here.

85 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 18, 2014 10:29:11am

re: #80 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

Charles, I think it’s better to correct your first sentence:

Yes, there was my confusion.

86 Skip Intro  Aug 18, 2014 10:29:11am

re: #81 jaunte

The reason could be that the victim was still alive and could have given evidence.

87 psddluva4evah  Aug 18, 2014 10:29:12am
88 Bulworth  Aug 18, 2014 10:29:27am

re:
#75

Yeah Fox is all fair and balanced like that.

//

89 Jenner7  Aug 18, 2014 10:29:52am

So, they didn’t release the whole autopsy report, just elements of it? And they chose to leak that he had weed in his system? And the public is STILL supposed to have faith in their police force??

Wow.

90 jaunte  Aug 18, 2014 10:30:02am
How long do steroids stay detectable in your system?
“…This, of course, depends on the actual substance (amount and type) and the person using them. Steroids can remain detectable in a persons system anywhere from 1 week to over a year after use. For the most popular substances like nandrolone (deca, testosterona), one year is the usual time that they could actually be detected. For injectable testosterone, between 3-6 months is commonly sufficient.”
steroidtips.com
91 CuriousLurker  Aug 18, 2014 10:30:39am

re: #13 Charles Johnson

Charles Johnson
@Green_Footballs

Pretty sure I’ve never seen anyone smoking pot and then going out and charging at cops. Unless the cop was holding some Cheetohs.
1:05 PM - 18 Aug 2014

THIS. Back in the day, when I used to smoke pot, about the only thing you could’ve gotten me to charge at was the fridge or a plate of Rice Krispies Treats.

92 KiTA  Aug 18, 2014 10:31:01am

re: #49 FemNaziBitch

But they won’t get caught —therefore they are not guilty of anything …

Plus, you know, white.

93 Decatur Deb  Aug 18, 2014 10:31:12am

re: #65 jaunte

Michael Brown Could Have Been A Powerful Werewolf


One thing about living in Santa Carla Ferguson I never could stomach, all the damn vampires werewolves.

94 Kragar  Aug 18, 2014 10:31:52am
95 makeitstop  Aug 18, 2014 10:31:57am

I personally cannot count the number of times I’ve taken a couple of hits from a joint then gone looking for a cop to charge.
/////

96 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Aug 18, 2014 10:31:59am

re: #72 Lidane

If a special prosecutor is appointed, then, I think, it’s on.

97 Lidane  Aug 18, 2014 10:32:19am

re: #91 CuriousLurker

THIS. Back in the day, when I used to smoke pot, about the only thing you could’ve gotten me to charge at was the fridge or a plate of Rice Krispies Treats.

The only thing I would’ve charged at when I smoked weed was my bed. Pot made me sleepy and gave me a headache.

98 Charles Johnson  Aug 18, 2014 10:32:44am
99 jaunte  Aug 18, 2014 10:33:04am
100 Bulworth  Aug 18, 2014 10:33:24am

And now my cell phone is acting up again…not recharging, turning off and on at random. Good times.

101 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Aug 18, 2014 10:33:38am

re: #91 CuriousLurker

THIS. Back in the day, when I used to smoke pot, about the only thing you could’ve gotten me to charge at was the fridge or a plate of Rice Krispies Treats.

POT-SMOKING MUSLIM?? U OSAMA!!!

102 OhNoZombies!  Aug 18, 2014 10:35:15am

Marijuana.
Ok, so what? He was running in slow motion?//
GTFO

103 EPR-radar  Aug 18, 2014 10:35:31am

re: #89 Jenner7

So, they didn’t release the whole autopsy report, just elements of it? And they chose to leak that he had weed in his system? And the public is STILL supposed to have faith in their police force??

Wow.

Agreed. Here’s hoping Obama et al. in DC are compiling a list of the egregious acts of the Ferguson PD and county officials to justify a federal takeover of the murder investigation.

104 FemNaziBitch  Aug 18, 2014 10:35:53am

re: #57 jaunte

Fox’s Pinkerton Baselessly Speculates Michael Brown Could Have Been “High On Some Drug, Angel Dust Or PCP”
[Embedded content]

Does the name “Pinkerton” strike anyone as odd? It’s not a common name, but evokes a sense of authority and absolute incorruptibility.

NO?

Sounds like Fox News manipulation to me.

105 sauceruney  Aug 18, 2014 10:36:40am

Last I knew, there wasn’t a death penalty for having cannibinoids in your bloodstream. This isn’t Iran or Singapore.

106 Charles Johnson  Aug 18, 2014 10:37:17am
107 Lidane  Aug 18, 2014 10:37:20am

OT because this is hilarious. Boobs are a public menace, don’tcha know:

Ohio anti-abortion leader: Ban public nudity, breastfeeding because boobs promote Gay Pride

“I am sick that women can legally bare their breasts to children and to married men against their will in Ohio,” he wrote on his Facebook page following last week’s protest.

Johnson told WSYX that “what they did was an offense to God, was an offense to the public morality, and the legislature should act to criminalize what they did.”

He also argued that women with exposed breasts were the reason that Ohio’s Gay Pride parade was so popular.

108 Decatur Deb  Aug 18, 2014 10:37:24am

re: #104 FemNaziBitch

Does the name “Pinkerton” strike anyone as odd? It’s not a common name, but evokes a sense of authority and absolute incorruptibility.

NO?

Sounds like Fox News manipulation to me.

He’s either the descendant of a Homestead strikebreaker, or a bastard lieutenant on one of Commodore Perry’s ships.

109 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Aug 18, 2014 10:37:45am

re: #104 FemNaziBitch

Does the name “Pinkerton” strike anyone as odd? It’s not a common name, but evokes a sense of authority and absolute incorruptibility.

NO?

Sounds like Fox News manipulation to me.

—

During the labor strikes of the late 19th and early 20th centuries, businessmen hired the Pinkerton Agency to infiltrate unions, supply guards, keep strikers and suspected unionists out of factories, as well as recruiting goon squads to intimidate workers.

110 Shiplord Kirel  Aug 18, 2014 10:37:47am

One of the dishearteningly predictable aspects of this episode is the way the system automatically, almost reflexively, rallied around the white shooter. From the police cover-up and obstructionism to the wearyingly predictable smears and innuendos of the rightwing media, we have seen it all before.

It reminds me of Nixon crony Jeb Magruder’s answer when he was asked who had ordered the Watergate cover-up. “I do not think there was ever any discussion that there would not be a cover-up,”

111 CuriousLurker  Aug 18, 2014 10:38:28am

re: #101 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

POT-SMOKING MUSLIM?? U OSAMA!!!

Wasn’t Muslim then. ;)

That’s not to say there aren’t plenty of Muslims who do smoke it (and worse—I remember many Iranians I knew being quite fond of smoking opium).

112 FemNaziBitch  Aug 18, 2014 10:39:08am

re: #84 urbanmeemaw

Yeah. That’s what I said. Fox and Friends. We’re on the same page here.

ah!

I was reminded of a Sci-Fi story in which a village was plagued by a terrible monster that turned out to be a manifestion of their collective fear.

Then I thought the American Taliban would use such a thing as proof of
god’s displeasure with the American Taliban’s target du jour.

Then I decided I was getting too philosophical for myself.

113 Kid A  Aug 18, 2014 10:40:33am

Rush is gleeful.

114 Jayleia  Aug 18, 2014 10:40:42am

re: #102 OhNoZombies!

Maybe ambling, sauntering, strolling, wandering…probably not charging…

115 Bulworth  Aug 18, 2014 10:40:50am

re:
#107

Johnson told WSYX that “what they did was an offense to God, was an offense to the public morality, and the legislature should act to criminalize what they did.”

Oh, so less government then?

//

116 Lidane  Aug 18, 2014 10:41:23am

re: #113 Kid A

Rush is gleeful.

Of course he is. A white cop shot an unarmed black kid.

117 Franklin  Aug 18, 2014 10:41:38am
118 FemNaziBitch  Aug 18, 2014 10:41:52am

re: #107 Lidane

OT because this is hilarious. Boobs are a public menace, don’tcha know:

Ohio anti-abortion leader: Ban public nudity, breastfeeding because boobs promote Gay Pride

I think the lady doth protest too much.

119 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Aug 18, 2014 10:41:54am

re: #113 Kid A

Rush is gleeful.

Druggie hate-jock said what?

120 FemNaziBitch  Aug 18, 2014 10:42:34am

re: #109 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

—

THat would fit with the whole fascist meme of Fox.

121 NJDhockeyfan  Aug 18, 2014 10:43:18am
122 b.d.  Aug 18, 2014 10:43:27am

re: #119 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

Druggie hate-jock said what?

No kidding, If Rush only had pot in his system he would call that a recovery.

123 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Aug 18, 2014 10:44:50am

1. Homophobe.
2. But hates boobs.

Hmm…..

124 urbanmeemaw  Aug 18, 2014 10:45:00am

re: #112 FemNaziBitch

Oh, I do believe that, as The Temptations sang, “You Make Your Heaven And Hell Right Here On Earth” and I do believe the “demons” we create are a creation of our subconscious fears and judgments. It’s for that reason I believe in the law of Karma. The RWNJ’s will reap what they sow. On some level. Somewhere. Even now. Think about Rush Limpballs for example. Would a happy, joyful person who feels love dedicate his life to creating lies and hatred?

We now return to our regularly scheduled commenting.

125 b.d.  Aug 18, 2014 10:45:28am

re: #113 Kid A

Rush is gleeful.

I wonder if Michael Brown had his maid go out and buy that pot for him?

//

126 NJDhockeyfan  Aug 18, 2014 10:47:02am
127 FemNaziBitch  Aug 18, 2014 10:47:12am

guys got the moves:
Youtube Video
This Swedish Policeman Has So Much Pride That He Breaks Out Into A Fabulous Dance

128 Eventual Carrion  Aug 18, 2014 10:48:11am

re: #107 Lidane

OT because this is hilarious. Boobs are a public menace, don’tcha know:

Ohio anti-abortion leader: Ban public nudity, breastfeeding because boobs promote Gay Pride

Why didn’t your god make the milk come out of their pinky finger then? Not a very intelligent designer to design things to make “his people” upset. Or maybe s/he isn’t all that Omniscient.

129 FemNaziBitch  Aug 18, 2014 10:48:12am

re: #124 urbanmeemaw

Oh, I do believe that, as The Temptations sang, “You Make Your Heaven And Hell Right Here On Earth” and I do believe the “demons” we create are a creation of our subconscious fears and judgments. It’s for that reason I believe in the law of Karma. The RWNJ’s will reap what they sow. On some level. Somewhere. Even now. Think about Rush Limpballs for example. Would a happy, joyful person who feels love dedicate his life to creating lies and hatred?

We now return to our regularly scheduled commenting.

I think of it as the Self-Fulfilling Prophecy and often the Placebo effect.

Easier for my mind to wrap around the science.

But, yeah, same thing.

130 FemNaziBitch  Aug 18, 2014 10:48:44am

re: #123 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

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1. Homophobe.
2. But hates boobs.

Hmm…..

Shades of Marcus Bachmann

131 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 18, 2014 10:49:59am
132 Kragar  Aug 18, 2014 10:50:22am
133 GlutenFreeJesus  Aug 18, 2014 10:50:51am

re: #99 jaunte

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And most likely Viagra.

134 Lidane  Aug 18, 2014 10:50:53am

re: #131 Backwoods_Sleuth

Seriously.

Everything so far has been about the victim. Not a goddamn word about the cop who emptied his gun into him.

135 De Kolta Chair  Aug 18, 2014 10:51:52am

re: #107 Lidane

OT because this is hilarious. Boobs are a public menace, don’tcha know:

If boobs in public were banned there’d be no Fox News.

Let’s do this thing!

136 NJDhockeyfan  Aug 18, 2014 10:52:53am
137 BeachDem  Aug 18, 2014 10:54:14am

re: #112 FemNaziBitch

ah!

I was reminded of a Sci-Fi story in which a village was plagued by a terrible monster that turned out to be a manifestion of their collective fear.

Then I thought the American Taliban would use such a thing as proof of
god’s displeasure with the American Taliban’s target du jour.

Then I decided I was getting too philosophical for myself.

“The tools of conquest do not necessarily come with bombs and explosions and fallout. There are weapons that are simply thoughts, attitudes, prejudices - to be found only in the minds of men. For the record, prejudices can kill…and suspicion can destroy…and a thoughtless frightened search for a scapegoat has a fallout all of its own - for the children…and the children yet unborn. And the pity of it is…that these things cannot be confined…to the Twilight Zone.”

The Monsters Are Due on Maple Street
imdb.com

138 danarchy  Aug 18, 2014 10:55:42am

OT - some good news, just heard on CNN that a deal may have been reached on easing gaza border restrictions and expanding fishing zones for a long term cease fire(was going to say permanent, but I think that may be a little over optimistic)

139 FemNaziBitch  Aug 18, 2014 10:59:03am
140 FemNaziBitch  Aug 18, 2014 10:59:59am

re: #137 BeachDem

“The tools of conquest do not necessarily come with bombs and explosions and fallout. There are weapons that are simply thoughts, attitudes, prejudices - to be found only in the minds of men. For the record, prejudices can kill…and suspicion can destroy…and a thoughtless frightened search for a scapegoat has a fallout all of its own - for the children…and the children yet unborn. And the pity of it is…that these things cannot be confined…to the Twilight Zone.”

The Monsters Are Due on Maple Street
imdb.com

EXCELLENT!!!

141 lostlakehiker  Aug 18, 2014 11:00:11am

re: #44 FemNaziBitch

Allegedly? You honestly think maybe it was another six-foot four black guy weighing 300 pounds, dressed the same?

Or maybe what you saw on tape doesn’t count with you as a crime?

Of course he’s the one on the tape, and what he did is a crime. That doesn’t establish that he was a habitual criminal, but it was a crime.

142 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Aug 18, 2014 11:01:01am

re: #112 FemNaziBitch

ah!

I was reminded of a Sci-Fi story in which a village was plagued by a terrible monster that turned out to be a manifestion of their collective fear.

Then I thought the American Taliban would use such a thing as proof of
god’s displeasure with the American Taliban’s target du jour.

Then I decided I was getting too philosophical for myself.

The general premise of Forbidden Planet: a civilization destroyed by monsters from the id.

143 FemNaziBitch  Aug 18, 2014 11:01:34am

re: #141 lostlakehiker

Allegedly? You honestly think maybe it was another six-foot four black guy weighing 300 pounds, dressed the same?

Or maybe what you saw on tape doesn’t count with you as a crime?

Of course he’s the one on the tape, and what he did is a crime. That doesn’t establish that he was a habitual criminal, but it was a crime.

WEll, since the wingnuts would be so specific regarding the letter of the law for the shooter, I decided to offer the victim the same.

:)

144 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 18, 2014 11:03:24am
145 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 18, 2014 11:03:45am

re: #141 lostlakehiker

Allegedly? You honestly think maybe it was another six-foot four black guy weighing 300 pounds, dressed the same?

Or maybe what you saw on tape doesn’t count with you as a crime?

Of course he’s the one on the tape, and what he did is a crime. That doesn’t establish that he was a habitual criminal, but it was a crime.

Wow so innocence until proven very conviction much justice

146 Lidane  Aug 18, 2014 11:04:20am

re: #141 lostlakehiker

Because stealing cheap cigars from a convenience store is a capital offense.

147 FemNaziBitch  Aug 18, 2014 11:04:29am

So Darren Wilson has a clean record?

148 b.d.  Aug 18, 2014 11:05:12am
ABOARD THE PAPAL PLANE (AP) — Pope Francis on Monday endorsed the use of force to stop Islamic militants from attacking religious minorities in Iraq but said the international community — and not just one country — should decide how to intervene.

huffingtonpost.com

149 Bulworth  Aug 18, 2014 11:05:34am

re:
#145

The only thing I saw in that video was him shoving someone or grabbing a person by the collar. Not endearing images to be sure, but, not sure what else that tape shows conclusively.

150 Dr. Matt  Aug 18, 2014 11:05:51am

re: #141 lostlakehiker

Allegedly? You honestly think maybe it was another six-foot four black guy weighing 300 pounds, dressed the same?

Or maybe what you saw on tape doesn’t count with you as a crime?

Of course he’s the one on the tape, and what he did is a crime. That doesn’t establish that he was a habitual criminal, but it was a crime.

He was never convicted of anything, so indeed ‘allegedly’ is the correct term.

151 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Aug 18, 2014 11:06:01am

re: #146 Lidane

Because stealing cheap cigars from a convenience store is a capital offense.

Punishable upon apprehension by the arresting officer.

152 Skip Intro  Aug 18, 2014 11:06:27am

re: #150 Dr. Matt

He was never convicted of anything, so indeed ‘allegedly’ is the correct term.

He was never even charged.

153 Kragar  Aug 18, 2014 11:06:40am
154 Lidane  Aug 18, 2014 11:07:08am

re: #151 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Punishable upon apprehension by the arresting officer.

The Ferguson PD makes Saudi Arabia look soft on crime. The Saudis would’ve just cut Michael Brown’s hand off for stealing. They wouldn’t have killed him.

155 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Aug 18, 2014 11:07:11am

In any case, this whole incident has turned into a media frenzy and gone into a tailspin.

If I were the sort of person who bet on others’ misfortune I would wager that no convictions come of it and only cosmetic measures will be undertaken to assuage the press.

156 Dr. Matt  Aug 18, 2014 11:07:26am

re: #147 FemNaziBitch

So Darren Wilson has a clean record?

Freedom of Information! Release everything! Release his birth certificate! His college transcripts! His library card ID!!

157 FemNaziBitch  Aug 18, 2014 11:07:36am
158 Charles Johnson  Aug 18, 2014 11:07:51am
159 FemNaziBitch  Aug 18, 2014 11:07:53am
160 Lidane  Aug 18, 2014 11:07:55am

re: #152 Skip Intro

He was never even charged.

He wasn’t even arrested. The cop just went straight for the execution.

161 urbanmeemaw  Aug 18, 2014 11:08:10am

re: #140 FemNaziBitch

EXCELLENT!!!

Indeed! LOVE it (and loved the Twilight Zone).

162 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Aug 18, 2014 11:08:26am

re: #153 Kragar

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163 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 18, 2014 11:08:40am

YAYY PIE-ONIST OVERLORD WINS!!!!

164 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 18, 2014 11:09:01am
165 FemNaziBitch  Aug 18, 2014 11:09:03am
166 jaunte  Aug 18, 2014 11:09:05am

re: #153 Kragar

Luckily, Herzl’s only on Facebook.

167 HappyWarrior  Aug 18, 2014 11:09:35am

re: #163 Pie-onist Overlord

YAYY PIE-ONIST OVERLORD WINS!!!!

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How many kids does Barber have?

168 Charles Johnson  Aug 18, 2014 11:09:50am

re: #141 lostlakehiker

Allegedly? You honestly think maybe it was another six-foot four black guy weighing 300 pounds, dressed the same?

Or maybe what you saw on tape doesn’t count with you as a crime?

Of course he’s the one on the tape, and what he did is a crime. That doesn’t establish that he was a habitual criminal, but it was a crime.

The store owners did not file a robbery report, and do not intend to, and neither Brown nor his friend were charged with a crime.

169 Lidane  Aug 18, 2014 11:10:02am

re: #163 Pie-onist Overlord

By those rules, don’t the Mormons win?

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170 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Aug 18, 2014 11:10:03am

re: #158 Charles Johnson

He’s gleeful about the whole situation.

171 Skip Intro  Aug 18, 2014 11:10:12am

It’s too bad that Officer Wilson has disappeared, because it would be helpful if someone asked him what happened.

I wonder if the Ferguson PD has put him on the missing persons list yet?

172 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 18, 2014 11:10:23am

re: #167 HappyWarrior

How many kids does Barber have?

I have 9 kids, 37 grands AND NOT ONE OF THEM IS A CONSERVATIVE CHRISTIAN.

173 Bulworth  Aug 18, 2014 11:10:25am

re:
#163

Win what?

174 Charles Johnson  Aug 18, 2014 11:10:32am

re: #153 Kragar

Oh, for Pete’s sake.

175 HappyWarrior  Aug 18, 2014 11:10:43am

And yeah this is exactly how they’re going to justify the shooting of him. Nevermind that marijuana doesn’t make you violent. Nevermind that he was unarmed. Nevermind that he was shot six to eight times. And honestly doesn’t marijuana stay in your system a long time? He could have had the marijuana days before the shooting occurred. Not that it means a damn thing or excuses Wilson’s actions.

176 FemNaziBitch  Aug 18, 2014 11:10:49am

re: #139 FemNaziBitch

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forgot to ask …

I’d appreciate any retweets on this one.

177 Lidane  Aug 18, 2014 11:10:54am

re: #171 Skip Intro

I wonder if the Ferguson PD has put him on the missing persons list yet?

LOL no. They probably told him not to tell anyone where he was going so they wouldn’t perjure themselves if they were asked about it later.

178 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Aug 18, 2014 11:11:05am

The Ferguson PD has succeded: they planted enough reasonable doubt and bungled enough potential evidence to ensure that no conviction can be made.

179 ausador  Aug 18, 2014 11:11:28am

For those asking where the Rightwing meme about Michael Brown charging the police came from.

It came from a YouTube video of a couple of guys talking at the scene after the shooting. The man shooting the video is explaining what he claims to have seen happen to others as they arrive on the scene.

(pertinent part starts around 6:28)

Youtube Video

Audio as transcribed by “The Conservative Treehouse”
The “JJ Witness Video” - Eye Witness Audio of Mike Brown Shooting States: “Brown Doubled Back Toward POlice”…

#1 How’d he get from there to there?

#2 Because he ran, the police was still in the truck - cause he was like over the truck

{crosstalk}

#2 But him and the police was both in the truck, then he ran - the police got out and ran after him

{crosstalk}

#2 Then the next thing I know he coming back toward him cus - the police had his gun drawn already on him -

#1. Oh, the police got his gun

#2 The police kept dumpin on him, and I’m thinking the police kept missing - he like - be like - but he kept coming toward him

{crosstalk}

#2 Police fired shots - the next thing I know - the police was missing

#1 The Police?

#2 The Police shot him

#1 Police?

#2 The next thing I know … I’m thinking … the dude started running … (garbled something about “he took it from him”)

Please note that the video description at YouTube by the person who posted the video has this to say:

Residents are heard around the 1:00 mark explaining the chain of events and clearly state that Michael Brown was unarmed and not fighting with police when he was shot.

Link to Video at YouTube.

180 HappyWarrior  Aug 18, 2014 11:11:33am

Whole thing just feels like Treyvon all over again. Sigh.

181 lawhawk  Aug 18, 2014 11:12:02am

It’s tough to take claims that Darren Wilson was not involved in any excessive force incidents, let alone any disciplinary actions while with the Ferguson PD, when the Ferguson PD had such a crummy history of keeping records on these very issues.

Oh, and that report I noted about how a guy who was arrested for being mistaken for another man with the same name and was beaten by several officers and charged with bleeding on those officers’ uniforms. Well, turns out one of those officers is now sitting on the Ferguson City Council.

182 Lidane  Aug 18, 2014 11:12:12am

re: #178 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

The Ferguson PD has succeded: they planted enough reasonable doubt and bungled enough potential evidence to ensure that no conviction can be made.

Yep. There’s no chance in hell of a conviction anywhere in Missouri.

183 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 18, 2014 11:12:34am

re: #173 Bulworth

re:
#163

Win what?

ALL TEH PIE!!!!!

184 Lidane  Aug 18, 2014 11:12:36am

re: #180 HappyWarrior

Whole thing just feels like Treyvon all over again. Sigh.

It’s Trayvon turned up to eleventy. The cops were waaaaay more blatant here.

185 Bulworth  Aug 18, 2014 11:13:16am

re:
#183

Well, I don’t want Matt Barber to have any of the PIE

186 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Aug 18, 2014 11:13:19am

re: #178 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

The Ferguson PD has succeded: they planted enough reasonable doubt and bungled enough potential evidence to ensure that no conviction can be made.

I think a conviction could be made on the strength of the witness statements alone (unless the witnesses crumble under cross-examination, which can happen to the best of’em).

187 HappyWarrior  Aug 18, 2014 11:13:32am

re: #184 Lidane

It’s Trayvon turned up to eleventy. The cops were waaaaay more blatant here.

Yep. What I mean though is the whole “Go all out to justify shooting an unarmed person” crap that these assholes do.

188 HappyWarrior  Aug 18, 2014 11:14:13am

Need to consider bringing federal charges against Wilson and honestly the entire Ferguson PD if they covered it up the way they look to have done it.

189 Lidane  Aug 18, 2014 11:14:28am

re: #181 lawhawk

Are there any federal charges that can be filed here? The way the Ferguson PD have handled this is so blatantly racist and intended to poison the well and ensure that Wilson walks for murder. I have to believe there are some federal remedies that can provide some sort of justice here.

190 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 18, 2014 11:15:41am

re: #180 HappyWarrior

Whole thing just feels like Treyvon all over again. Sigh.

Except police did not shoot Trayvon.

191 Skip Intro  Aug 18, 2014 11:16:09am

re: #180 HappyWarrior

Whole thing just feels like Treyvon all over again. Sigh.

I think it’s worse, because in the Martin it was a “he said/he’s dead” case. No witnesses.

In this one there were multiple witnesses, including the shooter himself who, strangely, just disappeared.

When they get away with this one, it’s going to be open season on non-whites in the South, just like the good old days the right keeps pining about.

192 FemNaziBitch  Aug 18, 2014 11:16:18am

I need a double-cuteness break—you?

193 Kragar  Aug 18, 2014 11:16:29am
194 lawhawk  Aug 18, 2014 11:16:48am

re: #189 Lidane

The likely route here on federal charges would be federal civil rights violations. That’s how other similar cases have been handled in the past.

195 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Aug 18, 2014 11:17:01am

re: #179 ausador

That’s too garbled to be useful to anyone, imho.

196 danarchy  Aug 18, 2014 11:17:25am

re: #179 ausador

For those asking where the Rightwing meme about Michael Brown charging the police came from.

It came from a YouTube video of a couple of guys talking at the scene after the shooting. The man shooting the video is explaining what happened to others as they arrive on the scene.

(pertinent part starts around 6:28)

[Embedded content]

CNN says that a source in the Ferguson police department confirmed that the statement Darren Wilson’s friend made on the radio matched Darren’s official statement pretty well. I believe she said that Michael “bumrushed” him. So it could have come from that radio interview as well.

197 HappyWarrior  Aug 18, 2014 11:18:14am

re: #190 Pie-onist Overlord

Except police did not shoot Trayvon.

The character assassination of the victim though by the usual suspects and the attempt to make the perp out to be the “real” victim.

198 lawhawk  Aug 18, 2014 11:18:25am

re: #193 Kragar

199 lawhawk  Aug 18, 2014 11:19:19am

re: #196 danarchy

Hearsay is still hearsay.

200 FemNaziBitch  Aug 18, 2014 11:19:28am

ewwwww!

201 GeneJockey  Aug 18, 2014 11:20:10am

re: #200 FemNaziBitch

ewwwww!

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Huh. Well, alrighty, then.

202 Charles Johnson  Aug 18, 2014 11:20:17am

re: #179 ausador

Yes, I heard this a few days ago. An anonymous person talking in the background on a YouTube video in confusing terms about what he saw. You can’t even tell who he’s talking about when he says “he coming back toward him.”

This is evidence of absolutely nothing.

So of course, to the right wing blogosphere, it’s absolute proof that Michael Brown charged the cop “like a bull.”

203 HappyWarrior  Aug 18, 2014 11:20:19am

re: #200 FemNaziBitch

ewwwww!

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AGhhh why.

204 danarchy  Aug 18, 2014 11:20:30am

re: #199 lawhawk

Hearsay is still hearsay.

no doubt, but if people are asking where the idea came from, there you go.

205 FemNaziBitch  Aug 18, 2014 11:20:37am
206 FemNaziBitch  Aug 18, 2014 11:21:08am

re: #203 HappyWarrior

AGhhh why.

mental illness shouldn’t be diagnosed over the internet.

:0

207 ausador  Aug 18, 2014 11:22:22am

re: #196 danarchy

CNN says that a source in the Ferguson police department confirmed that the statement Darren Wilson’s friend made on the radio matched Darren’s official statement pretty well. I believe she said that Michael “bumrushed” him. So it could have come from that radio interview as well.

I’ve seen the link to that article at conservative treehouse in about a thousand RWNJ tweets though. “Witness to shooting inadvertently reveals the truth about Michael Brown shooting!!!11!”. Is the kind of tweets I’m talking about…

208 lawhawk  Aug 18, 2014 11:22:50am

re: #202 Charles Johnson

Yes, I heard this a few days ago. An anonymous person talking in the background on a YouTube video in confusing terms about what he saw. You can’t even tell who he’s talking about when he says “he coming back toward him.”

This is evidence of absolutely nothing.

So of course, to the right wing blogosphere, it’s absolute proof that Michael Brown charged the cop “like a bull.”

“he coming back toward him.” Could have been referring to Wilson going after Brown as Brown going towards Wilson. But without a full deposition and interview, plus all evidence collected, there’s no way to know for sure (like say where all the bullet casings were found, which could point to when/where he fired each time, and help clarify the chain of events.

209 b.d.  Aug 18, 2014 11:22:52am

cnn.com’s lead story:

BREAKING NEWS

Attorney: Autopsy results enough to charge officer

210 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Aug 18, 2014 11:23:48am

re: #207 ausador

You’re right, of course. That’s exactly “the audio” I’ve been asking about in the last thread, thinking this may be some weighty piece of evidence. Turned out to be a nothingburger.

211 Schadenboner  Aug 18, 2014 11:23:54am

re: #153 Kragar

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Oy.

212 FemNaziBitch  Aug 18, 2014 11:23:56am
213 lawhawk  Aug 18, 2014 11:24:23am

re: #205 FemNaziBitch

The number of officer-involved shootings reported to the FBI isn’t a complete list, because not all agencies report that information. So that presents only a minimum number. The figure points to at least 1 a day, every day across the nation, if not 2-3 times that number.

214 jaunte  Aug 18, 2014 11:24:30am

215 Charles Johnson  Aug 18, 2014 11:24:32am

Uh oh - new eyewitness account says Darren Wilson charged at Michael Brown, no the other way around. Post coming soon.

216 FemNaziBitch  Aug 18, 2014 11:24:47am
217 Jenner7  Aug 18, 2014 11:24:52am

re: #179 ausador

My problem with that theory is that if you are being shot at, why on earth would you run toward the cop? Doesn’t make much sense. Also, they say Mike initially ran from officer after encounter. Again, why would he, after running away, go back towards the officer?

218 FemNaziBitch  Aug 18, 2014 11:25:23am

re: #217 Jenner7

My problem with that theory is that if you are being shot at, why on earth would you run toward the cop? Doesn’t make much sense. Also, they say Mike initially ran from officer after encounter. Again, why would he, after running away, go back towards the officer?

If he were stoned, he wouldn’t be running.

YMMV

219 Rightwingconspirator  Aug 18, 2014 11:25:24am

re: #202 Charles Johnson

Yes, I heard this a few days ago. An anonymous person talking in the background on a YouTube video in confusing terms about what he saw. You can’t even tell who he’s talking about when he says “he coming back toward him.”

This is evidence of absolutely nothing.

So of course, to the right wing blogosphere, it’s absolute proof that Michael Brown charged the cop “like a bull.”

re: #179 ausador

Glad someone posted it.

“he is coming back toward him.”
Could be the policeman or Michael Brown. And all in a rather jumbled bunch of background conversations. And it flies in the face of multiple witness reports to the contrary.

I listened to that about ten times. Guess what else we hear again and again-How the cop shot for little or no reason in broad daylight, no visible threat.

To me it’s crap. No one is even necessarily asking the right questions or doing anything but curbside speculations.

Oh and never trust anything on a vertical video.
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220 jaunte  Aug 18, 2014 11:25:40am

re: #216 FemNaziBitch

They need sunglasses.

221 [deleted]  Aug 18, 2014 11:25:42am
222 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Aug 18, 2014 11:25:59am

re: #215 Charles Johnson

Would make sense.

223 nines09  Aug 18, 2014 11:26:06am

re: #214 jaunte

Open sewer.

224 jaunte  Aug 18, 2014 11:26:30am

re: #223 nines09

All part of the Ferguson background.

225 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Aug 18, 2014 11:26:32am

re: #221 Eventual Carrion

Psst. Better delete.

226 Eventual Carrion  Aug 18, 2014 11:26:59am

re: #225 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

Psst. Better delete.

Fuck it, ban me.

227 nines09  Aug 18, 2014 11:27:02am

re: #224 jaunte

All part of the mindset.

228 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 18, 2014 11:27:14am

re: #221 Eventual Carrion

NOPE

229 jaunte  Aug 18, 2014 11:27:15am

And Rand Paul’s background, too.

230 Rightwingconspirator  Aug 18, 2014 11:27:57am

re: #215 Charles Johnson

Uh oh - new eyewitness account says Darren Wilson charged at Michael Brown, no the other way around. Post coming soon.

That makes a lot more sense, the cop will normally be in pursuit of the fleeing suspect, altercation in the car or not.

231 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Aug 18, 2014 11:28:01am

re: #217 Jenner7

My problem with that theory is that if you are being shot at, why on earth would you run toward the cop? Doesn’t make much sense. Also, they say Mike initially ran from officer after encounter. Again, why would he, after running away, go back towards the officer?

He was running away and turned around only after the first shots. Would make no sense whatsoever to charge the cop.

232 nines09  Aug 18, 2014 11:28:17am

re: #229 jaunte

Rand Paul would have been a great addition to any 1930’s armband wearing political party.

233 iossarian  Aug 18, 2014 11:28:56am

re: #231 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

He was running away and turned around only after the first shots. Would make no sense whatsoever to charge the cop.

I see your problem - you apparently believe that theories advanced by the right should make sense, whatever that is.

234 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 18, 2014 11:28:56am

WTFITS

235 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 18, 2014 11:29:03am
236 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Aug 18, 2014 11:29:07am

re: #226 Eventual Carrion

No need, Charles already deleted ;)

237 FemNaziBitch  Aug 18, 2014 11:29:29am

Study from 1953 sheds light on Michael Brown Killing

I came across a 61 year old study of police brutality that is still relevant today. The study, “Violence and the Police,” was part of a PhD dissertation by William A. Westley and published in the American Journal of Sociology, Vol. 59, No. 1 (Jul., 1953), pp. 34-41. This paper focuses on how police come to legitimize their illegal use of violence on the citizens they are to protect.

While Westley does not identify the city, he describes it as “a municipal police department in an industrial city of approximately one hundred and fifty thousand inhabitants.”

One important factor is that recognition and promotions come from making lots of arrests, not from maintaining the peace. In Westley’s words, “Patrolmen feel that little credit is forthcoming from a clean beat (a crimeless beat), while a number of good arrests really stands our on the record. To a great extent this is actually the case, since a good arrest results in good newspaper publicity, and the policemen who made many “good pinches’” has prestige among his colleagues.”

238 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Aug 18, 2014 11:30:04am

re: #235 Backwoods_Sleuth

Grumpy Hotel.

239 HappyWarrior  Aug 18, 2014 11:30:20am

re: #234 Pie-onist Overlord

WTFITS

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Uh wut. #Conservativelogic thinking someone unarmed tried to shoot a cop. God conservatives are painfully stupid people.

240 Sherlock Hound  Aug 18, 2014 11:31:13am

re: #232 nines09

All the right wing—Goldberg, Rand, Hoft,et al—would be good little gauleitiers.

241 GeneJockey  Aug 18, 2014 11:31:20am

re: #216 FemNaziBitch

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This situation calls for some charcoal, some rib rub, and a lot of sharp knives.

242 FemNaziBitch  Aug 18, 2014 11:31:35am

re: #237 FemNaziBitch

Study from 1953 sheds light on Michael Brown Killing

A most revealing bit of data from this study is the question the police answered about when the use of force was legitimate. The wording of the question was, “When do you think a policemen is justified in roughing a man up?” There responses were:
37% Disrespect for police
23% When impossible to avoid
19% To obtain information
8% To make an arrest
7% For the hardened criminal
3% When you know the man is guilty
3% For sex criminals

remember this is an article from 1953 …

243 FemNaziBitch  Aug 18, 2014 11:31:58am

re: #241 GeneJockey

This situation calls for some charcoal, some rib rub, and a lot of sharp knives.

GARLIC!!!

244 Bulworth  Aug 18, 2014 11:32:47am

re:
#234

I know Twitter is hard but I do wish these people would try to speak English. /

245 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 18, 2014 11:32:55am

sigh…

246 HappyWarrior  Aug 18, 2014 11:33:24am

re: #245 Backwoods_Sleuth

sigh…

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Ferguson PD are nothing but thuggish assholes.

247 Bulworth  Aug 18, 2014 11:33:55am

re:
#246

Well I’m sure their new PR firm will fix that right up. //

248 GeneJockey  Aug 18, 2014 11:33:56am

re: #243 FemNaziBitch

GARLIC!!!

My rib rub has garlic powder in it already, so, yep.

249 GeneJockey  Aug 18, 2014 11:34:39am

re: #235 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Looks like a shark.

250 FemNaziBitch  Aug 18, 2014 11:34:46am
251 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 18, 2014 11:36:21am
252 Lidane  Aug 18, 2014 11:36:25am

re: #246 HappyWarrior

Ferguson PD are nothing but thuggish assholes.

UNPOSSIBLE! Only teh blah people are thugs!

/////////////////////////////

253 Schadenboner  Aug 18, 2014 11:37:10am

re: #250 FemNaziBitch

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Oh lord. The 2.5 line summary of the (ugh) Zero Hedge article made my eyes roll back like Linda Blair.

This is the problem with dealing with Civil Liberties issues, the Propertarians think they still have (or have ever had) credibility on them.

254 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 18, 2014 11:38:33am

TEH STUPID BURNS IT BURNSSSS PRECIOUSSSS

255 FemNaziBitch  Aug 18, 2014 11:38:49am

re: #251 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Well, if they are large, black, young and male, they are criminals!

256 FemNaziBitch  Aug 18, 2014 11:39:16am

re: #249 GeneJockey

Looks like a shark.

jump it!

257 ausador  Aug 18, 2014 11:39:51am

re: #235 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Must be Hawaii, looks like a Tiki mask face.

258 FemNaziBitch  Aug 18, 2014 11:40:36am

BBL

259 b_sharp  Aug 18, 2014 11:42:48am

re: #202 Charles Johnson

Yes, I heard this a few days ago. An anonymous person talking in the background on a YouTube video in confusing terms about what he saw. You can’t even tell who he’s talking about when he says “he coming back toward him.”

This is evidence of absolutely nothing.

So of course, to the right wing blogosphere, it’s absolute proof that Michael Brown charged the cop “like a bull.”

He gets shot 5 or 6 times, then bends over and like a bull heads at the cop full steam intending to what, gore the cop? Were the devil’s horns on the kid in the right position to gore the cop?

Sounds more like Brown was folding over from the previous shots and was then shot in the head. He could even have been falling forward when the fatal shot hit him. Or possibly the fatal shot was not the last shot and at least some of the body shots came later. If he was face up, not face down after the fatal shot I doubt he was trying to ram the cop like a bull. Did the cops roll him over? Was he feet towards the cop of head toward the cop while lying on the ground?

Funny how the rwnjs will jump on the only possible series of events that supports their bias even it is the least likely of those events.

260 OhNoZombies!  Aug 18, 2014 11:42:56am

Whoever came up with the phrase “race card” needs to be attacked by birds.

261 BeachDem  Aug 18, 2014 11:44:48am

re: #196 danarchy

CNN says that a source in the Ferguson police department confirmed that the statement Darren Wilson’s friend made on the radio matched Darren’s official statement pretty well. I believe she said that Michael “bumrushed” him. So it could have come from that radio interview as well.

So then where is this official statement of Darren Wilson? If the FOIA requests “forced” Chief Jackson to release the unrelated video at the convenience store, why was Wilson’s statement not included in the release of docs?

262 lawhawk  Aug 18, 2014 11:46:06am

Why does Ferguson’s civil leadership (mayor, police chief, city council) not look like the citizens they represent. Voting patterns play a role.

The lack of an engaged electorate means that the status quo persists. One can hope that the events of the past two weeks force the community to make real change, but hope isn’t a substitute for turnout.

263 CuriousLurker  Aug 18, 2014 11:51:03am

A graphic in case anyone needs it for tweeting:

Oh, and below is a PDF of a fact sheet published by the National Drug Court Institute (NDCI) in April 2006. I’m leaving it here for when the racist assholes and wingnuts start spouting nonsense at you:

The Marijuana Detection Window: Determining the Length of Time Cannabinoids Will Remain Detectable in Urine Following Smoking
A Critical Review of Relevant Research and Cannabinoid Detection Guidance for Drug Courts (by Paul L. Cary, M.S.)

Regarding NDCI, from their homepage:

Partners

NDCI is supported by the White House Office of National Drug Control Policy; U.S. Department of Justice, Office of Justice Programs through the Bureau of Justice Assistance, Office of Juvenile Justice & Delinquency Prevention, and the National Institute of Justice; U.S. Department of Health & Human Services, Substance Abuse & Mental Health Services Administration through the Center for Substance Abuse Treatment.

ndci.org

One last item: The University of Toronto Mississauga has an interesting Powerpoint presentation on postmortem forensic toxicology—a definition of what it is, what sort of tests are done, etc. I imagine that whatever they do in Canada isn’t very different from what we do here as the science is the same.

264 ausador  Aug 18, 2014 11:52:10am

re: #259 b_sharp

He gets shot 5 or 6 times, then bends over and like a bull heads at the cop full steam intending to what, gore the cop? Were the devil’s horns on the kid in the right position to gore the cop?

Sounds more like Brown was folding over from the previous shots and was then shot in the head. He could even have been falling forward when the fatal shot hit him. Or possibly the fatal shot was not the last shot and at least some of the body shots came later. If he was face up, not face down after the fatal shot I doubt he was trying to ram the cop like a bull. Did the cops roll him over? Was he feet towards the cop of head toward the cop while lying on the ground?

Funny how the rwnjs will jump on the only possible series of events that supports their bias even it is the least likely of those events.

Face down, head towards the police officer. Police didn’t allow anyone to touch the body until investigators were on site. Witnesses on scene back that up, the pictures of him laying in the street are exactly how he ended up. If he was standing still or kneeling facing the officer he could have ended up in that position too.

Question, if Michael ran away from the officer and then turned and charged just how far away had he run before turning? I mean he was still 35 feet from the patrol car door when he died. So what he had run twice that far before turning to charge or something?

Because the cops story is that he had to keep firing because Michael kept coming towards him. :(

265 Ace-o-aces  Aug 18, 2014 11:52:21am

re: #215 Charles Johnson

Uh oh - new eyewitness account says Darren Wilson charged at Michael Brown, no the other way around. Post coming soon.

But did he charge like a bull?

266 wrenchwench  Aug 18, 2014 11:52:52am

re: #260 OhNoZombies!

Whoever came up with the phrase “race card” needs to be attacked by birds.

I have a problem with ‘race riot’ too, even though it seems to be officially sanctioned.

267 WhatEVs  Aug 18, 2014 11:55:29am

re: #18 FemNaziBitch

And funny as shit if you watch it stoned.

Dead thread, I know, but I just hadda say it…

Reefer Madness was funny as shit if you’re straight when you watch it.

268 Feline Fearless Leader  Aug 18, 2014 11:57:48am

re: #261 BeachDem

So then where is this official statement of Darren Wilson? If the FOIA requests “forced” Chief Jackson to release the unrelated video at the convenience store, why was Wilson’s statement not included in the release of docs?

It hadn’t been written yet. Of course.
//

269 Charles Johnson  Aug 18, 2014 12:21:54pm

Wow.

270 Odie Hugh Manatee  Aug 18, 2014 12:30:36pm

I’ve had marijuana in my system for over forty years and I haven’t killed anyone. Hell, it’s probably prevented me from killing anyone!

271 socrets  Aug 19, 2014 5:46:21am

re: #18 FemNaziBitch

Still funny when you’re sober and the modern adaptation is just as ridiculous.


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