Eyewitness Says Officer Darren Wilson Chased After Michael Brown While Shooting Him

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Eyewitness Piaget Crenshaw recorded footage of Michael Brown, and has now come forward to give her account on CNN. Ms Crenshaw says she saw officer Darren Wilson trying to pull Brown into his police car, when Brown broke away and started running down the street. Then, according to Crenshaw, Wilson got out of the car and began chasing Brown while firing his weapon. She says that when a bullet grazed Michael Brown’s arm, he turned around — and then officer Wilson shot him multiple times.

Note that Ms Piaget also says the police confiscated her camera — so they’ve had this evidence in their possession since the shooting happened.

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223 comments
1 Bulworth  Aug 18, 2014 11:38:18am

hurr hurr autopsy says Brown not shot in back eye witness lie hurr hurr

2 Schadenboner, Inc.  Aug 18, 2014 11:39:49am

This was an execution. The cop felt his authoritah was being questioned.

This is what it comes down to, Ferguson has a department full of goddamn Cartmans.

Hope the new PR firm can fix that…

3 Charles Johnson  Aug 18, 2014 11:40:12am

This is huge. The truth is exactly the opposite of the right wing whargarrbl. Wilson charged after Brown, not the other way around.

4 Kragar  Aug 18, 2014 11:40:40am
5 Lidane  Aug 18, 2014 11:41:59am

re: #3 Charles Johnson

The truth is exactly the opposite of the right wing whargarrbl.

That’s a pretty good general rule to follow.

6 b.d.  Aug 18, 2014 11:42:04am

Right wing doesn’t care about the truth, they have their tcot approved “facts” and they’ll hold onto them until their last breath.

7 Jenner7  Aug 18, 2014 11:42:05am

Is it normal for an officer to shoot while running after a subject? Because it sounds reckless to me. You have a chance of hitting other people around.

8 aagcobb  Aug 18, 2014 11:42:42am

What would make a difference nationally? End the war on drugs, which is effectively a war on African-Americans.

9 Charles Johnson  Aug 18, 2014 11:43:38am

re: #7 Jenner7

It’s incredibly reckless.

10 Stanley Sea  Aug 18, 2014 11:44:17am

She had her phone confiscated by the police. Got it back on Tuesday.

11 aagcobb  Aug 18, 2014 11:44:28am

re: #7 Jenner7

Is it normal for an officer to shoot while running after a subject? Because it sounds reckless to me. You have a chance of hitting other people around.

They do it all the time in the movies.

12 BlueSpotinAL  Aug 18, 2014 11:45:11am

re: #7 Jenner7

You can never justifiably shoot anybody who is just running away.

13 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Aug 18, 2014 11:45:33am

There are enough witnesses for a trial.

14 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 18, 2014 11:45:36am

re: #4 Kragar

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Bringing this up from downstairs:

15 jaunte  Aug 18, 2014 11:45:42am

re: #7 Jenner7

Is it normal for an officer to shoot while running after a subject? Because it sounds reckless to me. You have a chance of hitting other people around.

The results seem to indicate that he wasn’t a careful person.

16 Jenner7  Aug 18, 2014 11:45:42am

re: #12 BlueSpotinAL

Oh, I agree. I just thought it was strange for an officer to shoot while running.

17 Kragar  Aug 18, 2014 11:46:09am

re: #7 Jenner7

Is it normal for an officer to shoot while running after a subject? Because it sounds reckless to me. You have a chance of hitting other people around.

Its incredibly reckless.

18 Lidane  Aug 18, 2014 11:48:07am

re: #16 Jenner7

Oh, I agree. I just thought it was strange for an officer to shoot while running.

Even cops on TV shows tend to stop to shoot.

19 Charles Johnson  Aug 18, 2014 11:49:13am

Note that Ms Piaget also says the police confiscated her camera — so they had this evidence in their possession since the shooting happened.

20 Kragar  Aug 18, 2014 11:49:14am

re: #18 Lidane

Even cops on TV shows tend to stop to shoot.

Anyone who did that when I was in the Marines would have gotten their asses handed to them.

21 Kragar  Aug 18, 2014 11:49:19am
22 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 18, 2014 11:49:52am

Should I block this fucking idiot or keep him around to laugh at & make fun of?

23 b_sharp  Aug 18, 2014 11:51:19am

The only way we can really know what happened is if we waterboard the cop.

24 BlueSpotinAL  Aug 18, 2014 11:51:35am

re: #16 Jenner7

I missed your emphasis on the running aspect. I wonder what officer training says about it. I know it is hard enough to hit a moving target while taking careful, steady aim.

25 Lidane  Aug 18, 2014 11:51:50am

re: #20 Kragar

Anyone who did that when I was in the Marines would have gotten their asses handed to them.

I would think so. Run & Shoot only works as a football offense, not as a law enforcement strategy.

26 aagcobb  Aug 18, 2014 11:51:59am

re: #13 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

There are enough witnesses for a trial.

That is almost entirely in the discretion of the prosecutor. The same prosecutor who thought the St.L. County army was doing a great job in its occupation of Ferguson.

McCulloch was very critical of Missouri Governor Jay Nixon’s decision to place the Missouri State Troopers in charge of security after complaints about the St. Louis police department’s violent attacks on peaceful protestors and journalists. McCulloch called the governor’s decision “shameful” and accused him of “denigrat[ing] the men and women of the county police department.”

27 nsmith25  Aug 18, 2014 11:52:40am

re: #19 Charles Johnson

Note that Ms Piaget also says the police confiscated her camera — so they had this evidence in their possession since the shooting happened.

Making the fact that the officer was allowed to leave town inexcusable.

28 Danny  Aug 18, 2014 11:52:42am

re: #12 BlueSpotinAL

You can never justifiably shoot anybody who is just running away.

Except “where the officer has probable cause to believe that the suspect poses a threat of serious physical harm, either to the officer or to others, it is not constitutionally unreasonable to prevent escape by using deadly force.”

Link

29 jaunte  Aug 18, 2014 11:53:23am
30 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 18, 2014 11:53:41am
31 Lidane  Aug 18, 2014 11:54:00am

re: #28 Danny

Except “where the officer has probable cause to believe that the suspect poses a threat of serious physical harm, either to the officer or to others, it is not constitutionally unreasonable to prevent escape by using deadly force.”

Link

Which is immediately negated if the person the officer is chasing gets on his knees, puts his hands up and begs for his life.

32 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 18, 2014 11:54:59am

re: #28 Danny

Except “where the officer has probable cause to believe that the suspect poses a threat of serious physical harm, either to the officer or to others, it is not constitutionally unreasonable to prevent escape by using deadly force.”

Link

Are you one of those who think he tried to steal the officers bullets & was going to throw them at him like ninja stars?

33 Shiplord Kirel  Aug 18, 2014 11:55:23am

re: #7 Jenner7

Is it normal for an officer to shoot while running after a subject? Because it sounds reckless to me. You have a chance of hitting other people around.

It’s fantastically stupid for an alleged professional. The event is starting to become clear: Brown ran from Wilson, Wilson went after him, firing on the run. This is why his shots at Brown’s back missed. When Brown stopped and turned, Wilson was able to take a firm stance and execute him with a fusillade of aimed shots. Several of the witnesses have reported 2 or 3 separate shots, followed by a sudden burst of several more.
Gunshots are audible over a very large distance. Competent and unbiased investigators would be scouring the neighborhood for any audio devices that might have recorded the shots. We may yet see this when such investigators arrive. I hope they don’t have to come from New Zealand, Germany, or the UK.

34 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Aug 18, 2014 11:55:30am

re: #26 aagcobb

That is almost entirely in the discretion of the prosecutor. The same prosecutor who thought the St.L. County army was doing a great job in its occupation of Ferguson.

Which is exactly why I wrote earlier, that it’s possible under a special prosecutor.

35 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Aug 18, 2014 11:56:09am

re: #12 BlueSpotinAL

You can never justifiably shoot anybody who is just running away.

Legally, the police can shoot people that have committed a violent felony, in most states, with a great degree of latitude.

If there was any struggle between Brown and Wilson, that will be the defense (assuming it gets to trial), that Brown assaulted Wilson and therefore it was a legal shoot.

moga.mo.gov

3. A law enforcement officer in effecting an arrest or in preventing an escape from custody is justified in using deadly force only

(1) When such is authorized under other sections of this chapter; or

(2) When he reasonably believes that such use of deadly force is immediately necessary to effect the arrest and also reasonably believes that the person to be arrested

(a) Has committed or attempted to commit a felony; or

(b) Is attempting to escape by use of a deadly weapon; or

(c) May otherwise endanger life or inflict serious physical injury unless arrested without delay.

4. The defendant shall have the burden of injecting the issue of justification under this section.

36 lawhawk  Aug 18, 2014 11:56:10am

re: #19 Charles Johnson

Note that Ms Piaget also says the police confiscated her camera — so they had this evidence in their possession since the shooting happened.

The police could have released this at the same time as the “robbery” video, but purposefully chose not to. They were intent on creating a narrative that put Wilson’s actions (and he was still unnamed at this point) in the “he was acting legitimately and protecting his own life” meme, rather than acting extrajudicially.

I think additional FOIAs are warranted here to find out what the FPD’s procedures are in firearms use and proficiency. Are they trained to fire on the run? Are they told to use modified Weaver? When to fire/not fire?

What about drug testing of officers? Is it done? How frequently? What about policies dealing with officer involved shootings. Is it done ad hoc? Or is there an established policy?

All these are relevant to the case, but not protected under MRS 610.100 since it isn’t specific to the investigation.

37 Schadenboner, Inc.  Aug 18, 2014 11:56:10am

re: #28 Danny

Except “where the officer has probable cause to believe that the suspect poses a threat of serious physical harm, either to the officer or to others, it is not constitutionally unreasonable to prevent escape by using deadly force.”

Link

I think you got it backwards:

Held: The Tennessee statute is unconstitutional insofar as it authorizes the use of deadly force against, as in this case, an apparently unarmed, nondangerous fleeing suspect; such force may not be used unless necessary to prevent the escape and the officer has probable cause to believe that the suspect poses a significant threat of death or serious physical injury to the officer or others. Pp. 497 U. S. 7-22.

Which was affirmed (upheld) by SCOTUS.

Wiki also seems to support this reading.

38 WhatEVs  Aug 18, 2014 11:57:30am

re: #7 Jenner7

Is it normal for an officer to shoot while running after a subject? Because it sounds reckless to me. You have a chance of hitting other people around.

When the people around might be blah people…does it matter? Welcome collateral damage.

39 jaunte  Aug 18, 2014 11:57:36am

It’s also reckless to try to stop someone by grabbing at them from a vehicle door.

40 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 18, 2014 11:57:55am

re: #7 Jenner7

Is it normal for an officer to shoot while running after a subject? Because it sounds reckless to me. You have a chance of hitting other people around.

Especially reckless if one takes Chief Jackson statement of why MB & DJ were stopped: because they were walking in the middle of the street blocking traffic.
One could reasonably assume that it would be very reckless to run and shoot in traffic.

41 Kragar  Aug 18, 2014 11:58:41am

re: #12 BlueSpotinAL

You can never justifiably shoot anybody who is just running away.

Not true, but there are guidelines for it.

42 Charles Johnson  Aug 18, 2014 11:58:55am

re: #35 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

Legally, the police can shoot people that have committed a violent felony, in most states, with a great degree of latitude.

If there was any struggle between Brown and Wilson, that will be the defense (assuming it gets to trial), that Brown assaulted Wilson and therefore it was a legal shoot.

moga.mo.gov

This is why Ferguson police department immediately put out the story that Brown tried to grab Wilson’s gun.

43 Danny  Aug 18, 2014 11:59:50am

re: #37 Schadenboner

I think you got it backwards:

Wiki also seems to support this reading.

Read down further, under Page 471 U. S. 11.

44 OhNoZombies!  Aug 18, 2014 11:59:56am

Did the officer have his gun out when he tried to grab MB from inside the car?

45 Kragar  Aug 18, 2014 12:00:46pm
46 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 18, 2014 12:00:56pm

re: #19 Charles Johnson

Note that Ms Piaget also says the police confiscated her camera — so they had this evidence in their possession since the shooting happened.

I’m actually quite astonished that the video was still on her phone.

47 simoom  Aug 18, 2014 12:01:14pm
New Eyewitness […]

I’m pretty sure Piaget Crenshaw is actually one of the earliest eye witnesses who spoke to the media. Here’s an interview she did with KSDK 5 days ago:

ksdk.com

And here she is on Don Lemon’s show w/ Tiffany Mitchell (another early witness), also 5 days ago:

Youtube Video

48 Kragar  Aug 18, 2014 12:01:40pm

re: #44 OhNoZombies!

Did the officer have his gun out when he tried to grab MB from inside the car?

Why would you pull your gun while you’re still in the car? Where you going to fire cross body from out the window?

49 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Aug 18, 2014 12:01:46pm

re: #44 OhNoZombies!

Good question!

50 jaunte  Aug 18, 2014 12:01:56pm

re: #44 OhNoZombies!

I predict we’ll see some Rosemary Woods-style contortion diagrams soon to attempt to explain how Mike Brown was trying to reach through the vehicle window to grab the holstered gun.

51 Shazam  Aug 18, 2014 12:02:29pm

Typo: “A new eyewitness named Piaget Brown…”

52 BeachDem  Aug 18, 2014 12:02:57pm

re: #7 Jenner7

Is it normal for an officer to shoot while running after a subject? Because it sounds reckless to me. You have a chance of hitting other people around.

Feature not bug to Ferguson PD? half/

53 OhNoZombies!  Aug 18, 2014 12:03:28pm

re: #48 Kragar

Why would you pull your gun while you’re still in the car? Where you going to fire cross body from out the window?”

Intimidation.

54 Dr. Matt  Aug 18, 2014 12:04:01pm

Have the RNWJs started the smear campaign against Piaget Brown yet?

55 Charles Johnson  Aug 18, 2014 12:04:10pm

re: #51 Shazam

Thanks, fixed it.

56 Lidane  Aug 18, 2014 12:04:26pm

re: #54 Dr. Matt

Have the RNWJs started the smear campaign against Piaget Brown yet?

They’re too busy dancing on Michael Brown’s corpse.

57 WhatEVs  Aug 18, 2014 12:06:17pm

re: #56 Lidane

They’re too busy dancing on Michael Brown’s corpse.

Giving that an upding seems wrong. But it deserves an upding.

58 danarchy  Aug 18, 2014 12:06:32pm

re: #46 Backwoods_Sleuth

I’m actually quite astonished that the video was still on her phone.

Deleting it would have been silly. Most likely it was automatically backed up to iCloud or Google and if they deleted it and it came out anyway then they could be seriously f—-ed

59 Rightwingconspirator  Aug 18, 2014 12:07:07pm

re: #42 Charles Johnson

re: #35 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

Damnable circular logic-The felony is the alleged assault and grab for the gun. So he can just shoot at will?

What I don’t see here-So then it’s okay to shoot a man trying to surrender? I don’t think so. the law you cite can’t amount to “take no prisoners”. It just can’t.

Not an argument a guy with a CCW or gun at home can make now is it?

60 Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 18, 2014 12:07:42pm

That whole run and gun thing seems so “Call of Duty”. Dumber still is that it’s as equally as reckless a tactic in the game as it is in real life.

61 Stanley Sea  Aug 18, 2014 12:07:59pm

Lawhawk @Felonious_munk is asking some questions you might be able to help w.

62 Charles Johnson  Aug 18, 2014 12:08:02pm

re: #47 simoom

You’re correct - but her statement that Wilson was firing while running is a new detail.

63 BlueSpotinAL  Aug 18, 2014 12:08:26pm

re: #41 Kragar

The guidelines are for other factors. In Michael Brown’s case he was probably only fleeing, not posing a threat.

I found it incredible that Tennessee has a statute that you could shoot a person who had committed a felony, but someone else found a court ruling that held that part of the TN statute unconstitutional to shoot people who do not pose a threat.

64 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 18, 2014 12:08:32pm

OK I have found a stupider Tweet than Art Ala

65 Rightwingconspirator  Aug 18, 2014 12:08:39pm

Darn work call BBL

66 Lidane  Aug 18, 2014 12:09:21pm

re: #64 Pie-onist Overlord

I’m guessing this is from his pre-natal rap sheet.

67 Shazam  Aug 18, 2014 12:09:42pm

Because he was running towards him, from Wilson’s point of view it looked like Brown was coming at him.

68 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 18, 2014 12:09:52pm

I thought juvie records are supposed to be sealed so what crime did Chucky C commit in order to get juvie record, or did he just make shit up?

69 Charles Johnson  Aug 18, 2014 12:10:20pm

This explains why at least one round went through the window of someone’s apartment. He was firing wildly while running. Crazy.

70 Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 18, 2014 12:10:28pm

I’d bet anything the only rap sheet Michael Brown ever had had lyrics on it.

71 Kragar  Aug 18, 2014 12:10:36pm
72 Dr. Matt  Aug 18, 2014 12:10:43pm

re: #64 Pie-onist Overlord

OK I have found a stupider Tweet than Art Ala

Ah, brilliant “reporting”….tweet something liable before confirmation.

73 Ace-o-aces  Aug 18, 2014 12:11:23pm

re: #64 Pie-onist Overlord

I thought he didn’t care about Ferguson.

74 Testy Toad T  Aug 18, 2014 12:11:32pm

If you’re “confirming now”, maybe WAIT FIVE MINUTES SO YOU’RE ACTUALLY SURE OF WHAT YOU’RE SAYING.

Fucking twitter. Fucking RWNJs.

75 BeachDem  Aug 18, 2014 12:11:52pm

re: #68 Pie-onist Overlord

I thought juvie records are supposed to be sealed so what crime did Chucky C commit in order to get juvie record, or did he just make shit up?

And ChuckyC hates “coppers” ‘cause one once took his fireworks away from him on July 4.

76 Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 18, 2014 12:11:54pm

I feel bad for our Charles,sharing a name with a douchebag like that

77 Lidane  Aug 18, 2014 12:11:56pm

re: #73 Ace-o-aces

I thought he didn’t care about Ferguson.

That was before he realized he could get more blog traffic by bleating about it.

78 jaunte  Aug 18, 2014 12:12:24pm

Look who now feels welcome to jump into the situation:

Ku Klux Klan (KKK) members from three different states are reportedly traveling to Ohio to hold a two-day fundraiser for the officer who shot unarmed teen Michael Brown, and to “guard white businesses.”
……
“With blacks out of control, we have our Missouri Realm going to areas near Ferguson,” the statement said. “We can’t have blacks robbing and murdering innocent whites. I am on my way down along with members from three different states and members from the Southern Mountain Knights.”

rawstory.com

79 jaunte  Aug 18, 2014 12:13:00pm

“Missouri Realm”

80 lawhawk  Aug 18, 2014 12:13:04pm

re: #64 Pie-onist Overlord

81 Ace-o-aces  Aug 18, 2014 12:13:15pm

re: #74 Testy Toad T

If you’re “confirming now”, maybe WAIT FIVE MINUTES SO YOU’RE ACTUALLY SURE OF WHAT YOU’RE SAYING.

Don’t tell him what to do, HEZ AWARD WINNIN JURNOALAMIST!!!!

82 Bulworth  Aug 18, 2014 12:13:26pm

re:
#64

So, “award-winning journalists” routinely report stuff and then try to confirm?

/

83 BeachDem  Aug 18, 2014 12:13:49pm

re: #77 Lidane

That was before he realized he could get more blog traffic by bleating about it.

And I guess he’s run out of 1999-era articles to post.

84 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 18, 2014 12:13:50pm
85 Targetpractice  Aug 18, 2014 12:13:51pm

Still trying to wrap my head around a scenario where Brown gets over 30 feet away from Wilson, then suddenly decides to turn and charge into gunfire. That’s not the action of a guy who’s high on marijuana, that’s a guy who’s on PCP.

86 Charles Johnson  Aug 18, 2014 12:13:58pm
87 psddluva4evah  Aug 18, 2014 12:14:15pm
88 Charles Johnson  Aug 18, 2014 12:14:32pm

re: #85 Targetpractice

It didn’t happen. This is a right wing fantasy.

89 ausador  Aug 18, 2014 12:14:39pm

re: #8 aagcobb

What would make a difference nationally? End the war on drugs, which is effectively a war on African-Americans.

But it is working out so well for the Republicans, 24.7% of the African Americans in Florida have lost the right to vote because they are convicted felons now.

90 Shiplord Kirel  Aug 18, 2014 12:15:02pm

It was so long ago, and not particularly significant at the time, that I actually didn’t think of this until today: I was “charged” by a 300 pound teenager, a 17 year old white boy, during my brief service as a deputy sheriff in the late 70s. He was armed with nothing worse than a rotten attitude and huge rolls of fat, so It never crossed my mind to draw my Colt Python and blast him into the next county, Instead I sidestepped him and brought him down with a snap kick to the groin. His belligerence disappeared and he offered no further trouble as he was cuffed and taken away to jail. He had just held up a gas station, breaking the attendant’s arm in the process.

91 Charles Johnson  Aug 18, 2014 12:15:06pm
92 Targetpractice  Aug 18, 2014 12:15:41pm

re: #88 Charles Johnson

It didn’t happen. This is a right wing fantasy.

That’s my conclusion, but I’m trying to make it work in my head. You know, sort of like Trayvon becoming a master ninja and sneaking up on Zimmerman in the dark to attack him without warning.

93 b.d.  Aug 18, 2014 12:15:44pm

Source states that Charles C Johnson blows goats.

Confirming now……

94 Charles Johnson  Aug 18, 2014 12:16:55pm
95 WhatEVs  Aug 18, 2014 12:16:56pm

re: #78 jaunte

Look who now feels welcome to jump into the situation:

If those clowns go into Ferguson, all bets are off. The ultimate in escalation.

That’s terrifying.

96 wrenchwench  Aug 18, 2014 12:17:26pm

re: #91 Charles Johnson

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That one has the most dudebro of background images ever imaged.

97 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Aug 18, 2014 12:17:26pm

re: #59 Rightwingconspirator

Damnable circular logic-The felony is the alleged assault and grab for the gun. So he can just shoot at will?

What I don’t see here-So then it’s okay to shoot a man trying to surrender? I don’t think so. the law you cite can’t amount to “take no prisoners”. It just can’t.

Not an argument a guy with a CCW or gun at home can make now is it?

Well, it’s completely reasonable that cops have very different rules than CCW holders; CCW holders are not supposed to be some vigilante force.

I don’t think this is actually a good defense for him, it’s just his only defense. Look at parts of that law:

” When he reasonably believes that such use of deadly force is immediately necessary to effect the arrest “

If it can be shown that Brown had stopped, this couldn’t be a defense. Ironically, he could more legally shoot him in the back as he fled.

98 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Aug 18, 2014 12:17:28pm

re: #69 Charles Johnson

This explains why at least one round went through the window of someone’s apartment. He was firing wildly while running. Crazy.

It would seem one of them was behaving like a wild animal after all..

99 BeachDem  Aug 18, 2014 12:17:36pm

re: #78 jaunte

Look who now feels welcome to jump into the situation:

Murray, whose group is based in Abbeville, SC

because of course it is.

100 Lidane  Aug 18, 2014 12:17:48pm

My surprise, etc. —

Poll: Blacks Twice As Likely To Say Ferguson Raises Issues About Race

Eighty percent of blacks said that the shooting raises issues about race, while only 37 percent of whites believe so.

And 47 percent of whites think that the situation in Ferguson is getting too much attention, while only 18 percent of African-Americans believe that to be the case, according to Pew.

Responses to the police reaction were divided along racial lines as well. Sixty-five percent of blacks said that the police have gone to far in their response to protests following the shooting, and 33 percent of whites said police went too far.

Reactions were also divided along party lines, according to Pew. Sixty-eight percent of Democrats believe the shooting raises concerns about race, while only 22 percent of Republicans said so.

101 Charles Johnson  Aug 18, 2014 12:18:21pm
102 Testy Toad T  Aug 18, 2014 12:18:21pm

re: #87 psddluva4evah

@sahilkapur
Obama will speak at 4 p.m. about Iraq and Ferguson.
2:03 PM - 18 Aug 2014

“We have sent the St. Louis County PD to Iraq. They will be allowed to use all of their fancy new toys to their heart’s content.”

103 WhatEVs  Aug 18, 2014 12:18:27pm

re: #82 Bulworth

re:
#64

So, “award-winning journalists” routinely report stuff and then try to confirm?

/

The point being the exact same thing the cops did by releasing the non-related (FOIA wink wink) tape. Completely taint any possible jury pool and make Brown seem like evil incarnate.

104 OhNoZombies!  Aug 18, 2014 12:19:12pm

Whelp, gotta go get the kids some new ninja stars shoes for school.
BBL

105 Franklin  Aug 18, 2014 12:19:57pm

re: #100 Lidane

My surprise, etc. —

Poll: Blacks Twice As Likely To Say Ferguson Raises Issues About Race

Hmmmmmm…..let’s see if we can rewrite that headline:

Poll: By a 2 to 1 Margin, Whites Less Likely To Say Ferguson Raises Issues About Race

106 BlueSpotinAL  Aug 18, 2014 12:20:57pm

re: #103 Joanne

Was that the Dan Rather award for journalism that Chucky C (not our host) won?

107 Kragar  Aug 18, 2014 12:20:58pm

re: #93 b.d.

Source states that Charles C Johnson blows goats.

Confirming now……

108 Shvaughn  Aug 18, 2014 12:21:05pm

re: #100 Lidane

My surprise, etc. —

Poll: Blacks Twice As Likely To Say Ferguson Raises Issues About Race

Headline should be the other way around and about white people being much more likely to be in denial.

109 WhatEVs  Aug 18, 2014 12:21:29pm

re: #106 BlueSpotinAL

Was that the Dan Rather award for journalism that Chucky C (not our host) won?

Worse. Fox Media.

110 Charles Johnson  Aug 18, 2014 12:22:23pm
111 wrenchwench  Aug 18, 2014 12:22:26pm

re: #101 Charles Johnson

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Right. He’s going to defend human dignity by attacking YOU for attacking Limbaugh. Man on a mission. w t f

112 Shiplord Kirel  Aug 18, 2014 12:22:41pm

Shooting wildly into a nearby apartement and gunning down an unarmed man from 30 feet away?
Sounds like Wilson was the one who needed a drug test, and not for THC.

113 Ace-o-aces  Aug 18, 2014 12:22:50pm

re: #14 Backwoods_Sleuth

I was thinking about this the other day when I was taking my kid to Legoland of all places. There was someone dressed up as Wyldstyle (a character from the Lego Movie). A little white girl, 11 or 12 years old, went to pose with the character, and as her parents snapped a photo, the kid threw up a “sign” (three fingers extended to her left).

114 GeneJockey  Aug 18, 2014 12:23:13pm

re: #100 Lidane

My surprise, etc. —

Poll: Blacks Twice As Likely To Say Ferguson Raises Issues About Race

I’m amazed at how few whites think race has anything to do with it. No, wait - no, I’m not. If I’ve learned anything from observing my own race and gender, it’s that many of us think everyone shares our life experiences, and that we have nothing to learn from anyone else’s about privilege or prejudice.

115 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Aug 18, 2014 12:23:27pm

re: #110 Charles Johnson

Gas masks?

116 wrenchwench  Aug 18, 2014 12:24:09pm

re: #115 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

Gas masks?

That was my thought.

117 Charles Johnson  Aug 18, 2014 12:24:15pm

It’s always nice when random religious fanatics choose to lecture me about “defending all human beings’ basic dignity,” while defending a raving bigot who spreads hate speech and conspiracy theories every single fucking day.

118 psddluva4evah  Aug 18, 2014 12:24:44pm
119 makeitstop  Aug 18, 2014 12:25:24pm

re: #110 Charles Johnson

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Their fucking hubris seems to know no bounds.

120 nines09  Aug 18, 2014 12:25:55pm

re: #80 lawhawk

I’m not even sure he’s a person. More like a parody of a comedy that never was.

121 wrenchwench  Aug 18, 2014 12:26:09pm

re: #118 psddluva4evah

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I would love to hear Obama say he’s putting Holder on the Ferguson case for the remainder of Obama’s term.

122 HKatz  Aug 18, 2014 12:26:19pm

Why do we need eye witnesses when media has been cheerfully giving air time to anonymous callers (telling the story of what happened secondhand)?

123 psddluva4evah  Aug 18, 2014 12:26:26pm
124 lawhawk  Aug 18, 2014 12:26:43pm

Drudge again pushing right wing fear to 11ty (again courtesy of Infowars):

Ummm, the military has always had contingency plans for a wide range of domestic and foreign events. Riots included. They’ve been refining the manual about once a decade (though it has gone longer than that between some revisions).

Read through to the pdf though. It supersedes a version from 2005, which itself superseded a similarly worded document from 1985 (which itself superseded FM 19-15, 30 October 1975, and TC 19-1, 1 August 1975). Examples of what might cause a civil disturbance have changed to be contemporary examples, but the rules are clarified on rules of conduct and what constitutes nonlethal force, when where and how to use it.

But booga booga, Alex Jones and infowars thinks this is a conspiracy somehow.

Fucking morons.

125 jaunte  Aug 18, 2014 12:26:54pm
126 Targetpractice  Aug 18, 2014 12:27:29pm

re: #118 psddluva4evah

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Get the feeling that Nixon’s now trying to protect his own backyard.

127 nines09  Aug 18, 2014 12:27:39pm

re: #117 Charles Johnson

It’s always nice when random religious fanatics choose to lecture me about “defending all human beings’ basic dignity,” while defending a raving bigot who spreads hate speech and conspiracy theories every single fucking day.

Yes. We are all Gods Children. Except for you. And that guy over there. The girl in the front, and that couple.

128 Shiplord Kirel  Aug 18, 2014 12:28:56pm

re: #124 lawhawk

Drudge again pushing right wing fear to 11ty (again courtesy of Infowars):

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Ummm, the military has always had contingency plans for a wide range of domestic and foreign events. Riots included. They’ve been refining the manual about once a decade (though it has gone longer than that between some revisions).

Read through to the pdf though. It supersedes a version from 2005, which itself superseded a similarly worded document from 1985. Examples of what might cause a civil disturbance have changed to be contemporary examples, but the rules are clarified on rules of conduct and what constitutes nonlethal force, when where and how to use it.

But booga booga, Alex Jones and infowars thinks this is a conspiracy somehow.

Fucking morons.

Anything there about confiscating guns and Bibles?

129 WhatEVs  Aug 18, 2014 12:29:16pm

re: #110 Charles Johnson

St. Louis Co Police FOP says they’re considering legal action against Highway Patrol for not letting officers wear certain protective gear.

FOP is inciting as much as the Ferguson and StL County PDs. They disagreed with the governor and put out a press release stating so. (Don’t they work for the governor? Isn’t a governor basically the state CIC?)

It seems to me that everyone in charge in MO are fucking assholes.

130 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 18, 2014 12:29:30pm

TCOT is just boiling over with this MICHEAL BROWN ATTACKED OFFICER!!!!! horse shit.

131 GlutenFreeJesus  Aug 18, 2014 12:29:38pm

re: #48 Kragar

Why would you pull your gun while you’re still in the car? Where you going to fire cross body from out the window?

Why would you shoot an unarmed man 6-8 times…

132 Targetpractice  Aug 18, 2014 12:29:40pm

re: #122 HKatz

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Why do we need eye witnesses when media has been cheerfully giving air time to anonymous callers (telling the story of what happened secondhand)?

It’s the closest we’re likely to get to hearing the cop tell things in his own words. We’re probably never going to see the official incident report.

133 WhatEVs  Aug 18, 2014 12:30:40pm

re: #122 HKatz

I had to turn off CNN because the woman host was speaking as if hearsay from an unknown caller was the word of god.

134 BeachDem  Aug 18, 2014 12:30:57pm

re: #114 GeneJockey

I’m amazed at how few whites think race has anything to do with it. No, wait - no, I’m not. If I’ve learned anything from observing my own race and gender, it’s that many of us think everyone shares our life experiences, and that we have nothing to learn from anyone else’s about privilege or prejudice.

The Pew article goes into great detail about the political leaning and phone breakdown of participants but no mention of geographic weighting. Not sure about Pew, but some of the others (CNN comes to mind) heavily weight the South. Would like to see their crosstabs.

135 Franklin  Aug 18, 2014 12:31:50pm

re: #131 GlutenFreeJesus

Why would you shoot an unarmed man 6-8 times…

When you are ascared of black people.

136 lawhawk  Aug 18, 2014 12:32:25pm

The bullet that struck Michael Brown fatally in the head was moving from a back to front direction, and Brown appeared to have fallen straight forward onto the ground after he was shot, one of the medical examiners who conducted an independent autopsy tells The Daily Caller.

“The shot to the head was going downward and slightly back to front,” said Prof. Shawn Parcells in a phone interview, clarifying comments he made shortly after he and Dr. Michael Baden announced Brown’s autopsy results at a press conference on Monday.

“When it entered the top of the head it was going in a slight frontal direction,” Parcells told TheDC.

“When we analyzed it, we concluded it was going forward and it was going slightly towards the eye,” he said, clarifying that the bullet moved from the left of the mid-line of Brown’s head towards his right eye.

The trajectory of the bullet, fired from the gun of Ferguson police officer Darren Wilson, is a crucial piece of information in determining what Brown’s movements were as he was hit with the fatal shot.

137 Targetpractice  Aug 18, 2014 12:33:43pm

re: #136 lawhawk

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So he was either already on the ground or bent over when that shot was fired. Doesn’t sound like the action of a cop who’s fearful of his life, that sounds like an execution shot.

138 Shvaughn  Aug 18, 2014 12:34:01pm

This is really about the media campaign of harping on “the rioters” and giving the impression that the police are just there to stop looting.

139 Franklin  Aug 18, 2014 12:34:19pm

re: #136 lawhawk

So basically he was hunched over? Or as the wingnuts would have you believe, bull rushing like a cartoon character?

140 Bulworth  Aug 18, 2014 12:34:26pm

re:
#136

So, not all the shots were to the front of his body?

141 makeitstop  Aug 18, 2014 12:34:55pm

re: #136 lawhawk

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That would mean that Wilson put the bullet into Brown’s head either while he was falling forward - or after he had fallen.

No wonder he split town.

142 Internet Tough Guy  Aug 18, 2014 12:35:15pm

re: #136 lawhawk

But he *allegedly* smoked weed and *allegedly* stole some cigars, so he deserved to be shot like a rabid dog.

/RW

143 Shvaughn  Aug 18, 2014 12:35:43pm

Also about 27% of this country being batshit insane.

144 lawhawk  Aug 18, 2014 12:36:14pm

re: #141 makeitstop

That would mean that Wilson put the bullet into Brown’s head either while he was falling forward - or after he had fallen.

No wonder he split town.

If you had been shot multiple times, you’d be falling too.

145 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Aug 18, 2014 12:37:39pm

re: #137 Targetpractice

So he was either already on the ground or bent over when that shot was fired. Doesn’t sound like the action of a cop who’s fearful of his life, that sounds like an execution shot.

and if it was going from the back towards the front then the cop shot him in the back of the head, you know, execution style.

146 GeneJockey  Aug 18, 2014 12:38:22pm

re: #136 lawhawk

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I’m having real difficulty understanding the trajectory of that shot. If I’m seeing it right, Brown’s head must have been significantly below Wilson’s gun, with his face parallel to the ground if not farther tilted over.

147 ausador  Aug 18, 2014 12:39:13pm

re: #85 Targetpractice

Still trying to wrap my head around a scenario where Brown gets over 30 feet away from Wilson, then suddenly decides to turn and charge into gunfire. That’s not the action of a guy who’s high on marijuana, that’s a guy who’s on PCP.

Another point about that, just how far away did Michael manage to run before turning to charge then? When he died he was still 35 feet from the patrol car door, but the police story is that the officer had to keep firing because Michael kept charging. For a big guy he sure must have been awfully quick on his feet for this to make any sense at all. :(

148 Minor_L  Aug 18, 2014 12:39:30pm

re: #130 Pie-onist Overlord

They’ve already determined that it is accepted, verifiable fact. Because, you know, that’s what they want to believe, so it’s true.

I’m sure Tom Nichols is all over them for making assumptions without all the evidence. Right.

149 Lidane  Aug 18, 2014 12:39:34pm

re: #146 GeneJockey

I’m having real difficulty understanding the trajectory of that shot. If I’m seeing it right, Brown’s head must have been significantly below Wilson’s gun, with his face parallel to the ground if not farther tilted over.

Execution shot to the back of the head once he was face down on the ground?

150 Danny  Aug 18, 2014 12:41:13pm

re: #146 GeneJockey

I’m having real difficulty understanding the trajectory of that shot. If I’m seeing it right, Brown’s head must have been significantly below Wilson’s gun, with his face parallel to the ground if not farther tilted over.

Slightly below, but yeah.

151 Minor_L  Aug 18, 2014 12:41:25pm

re: #149 Lidane

That would also mean that he presented no danger to anyone prior to that last shot (which I understand was the only fatal shot), because he was already down. (I don’t think he posed a danger, anyway, since he was unarmed, and allowing him to run away would have been the best thing for the cop to do.)

152 Shiplord Kirel  Aug 18, 2014 12:41:34pm

re: #141 makeitstop

That would mean that Wilson put the bullet into Brown’s head either while he was falling forward - or after he had fallen.

No wonder he split town.

On his knees or lying on the ground.

153 Targetpractice  Aug 18, 2014 12:41:53pm

re: #147 ausador

Another point about that, just how far away did Michael manage to run before turning to charge then? When he died he was still 35 feet from the patrol car door, but the police story is that the officer had to keep firing because Michael kept charging. For a big guy he sure must have been awfully quick on his feet for this to make any sense at all. :(

Indeed. In what world does a guy that big, already well away from the guy shooting wildly at him, suddenly turn and charge into the gunfire? Better yet, if Brown really was that violent that he attacked Wilson through the window his vehicle, why start running? Because Wilson was shooting? Then why turn and charge?

154 GeneJockey  Aug 18, 2014 12:41:59pm

re: #149 Lidane

Execution shot to the back of the head once he was face down?

It sounds like it was to the top of the head, and to make sense of the path of the bullet - slightly forward in the head - it would have to have been at a downward angle.

155 b.d.  Aug 18, 2014 12:41:59pm

STANDING OVER SOMEONE AND SHOOTING DOWN INTO HIS HEAD ISN’T THE SAME AS SHOOTING SOMEONE FROM BEHIND LIBTARDS! STILL VINDICATED!

156 Charles Johnson  Aug 18, 2014 12:42:41pm

re: #137 Targetpractice

How odd to see the Daily Caller publishing that. But this is looking worse and worse as more details come out. This is strong evidence that Brown was already down when Wilson fired the fatal shot into his head.

157 jaunte  Aug 18, 2014 12:42:59pm

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Good to know someone’s on the job, telling us what to think about all this.

158 Lidane  Aug 18, 2014 12:44:25pm

re: #154 GeneJockey

It sounds like it was to the top of the head, and to make sense of the path of the bullet - slightly forward in the head - it would have to have been at a downward angle.

So when he was on his knees, his head hanging down, eyes on the pavement. It would make sense. And it still makes the final shot an execution shot.

This was murder, full stop.

159 b.d.  Aug 18, 2014 12:44:46pm

re: #157 jaunte

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Good to know someone’s on the job, telling us what to think about all this.

I guess Ari Fleisher’s firm had too big of a backlog to take this client?

160 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Aug 18, 2014 12:44:56pm

and now we have the attorney for the store where the alleged shoplifting took place saying No one (employees) called 911 to report cigar theft.

161 Shvaughn  Aug 18, 2014 12:45:05pm

re: #149 Lidane

Execution shot to the back of the head once he was face down on the ground?

Wouldn’t that leave gunpowder residue?

162 wrenchwench  Aug 18, 2014 12:45:19pm

re: #157 jaunte

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Good to know someone’s on the job, telling us what to think about all this.

I’d rather have the National Guard chase the entire Ferguson police force and most of the St. Louis County police force out of the state. Then they can work on ‘the re-establishment of trust after the storm’

163 jaunte  Aug 18, 2014 12:45:38pm

re: #159 b.d.

I think they’re local.

164 allegro  Aug 18, 2014 12:45:54pm

Rodney Saturday night

165 Kragar  Aug 18, 2014 12:46:09pm

re: #161 Shvaughn

Wouldn’t that leave gunpowder residue?

Depends on the range.

166 Lidane  Aug 18, 2014 12:46:12pm

re: #161 Shvaughn

Wouldn’t that leave gunpowder residue?

No idea. Hopefully someone here can answer it.

I’m not a ballistics or gun expert. I’m just trying to visualize the angle of the shot.

167 WhatEVs  Aug 18, 2014 12:46:26pm

re: #156 Charles Johnson

How odd to see the Daily Caller publishing that. But this is looking worse and worse as more details come out. This is strong evidence that Brown was already down when Wilson fired the fatal shot into his head.

I had to look twice to confirm that actually said Daily Caller. Odd is putting it mildly.

168 jaunte  Aug 18, 2014 12:46:39pm

If I ran a PR firm, I think I’d pass on this client.

169 becominginvisible  Aug 18, 2014 12:46:41pm

re: #157 jaunte

Might not be the best use of taxpayer money at this point.

170 jaunte  Aug 18, 2014 12:47:00pm

Have we got a crisis for you!

171 Testy Toad T  Aug 18, 2014 12:47:20pm

re: #158 Lidane

So when he was on his knees, his head hanging down, eyes on the pavement. It would make sense. And it still makes the final shot an execution shot.

This was murder, full stop.

There’s lots of twitter-expertise floating around here. I’m not saying you’re wrong, but I think you’re wrong to declare it with such certainty.

172 WhatEVs  Aug 18, 2014 12:47:30pm

re: #157 jaunte

Good to know someone’s on the job, telling us what to think about all this.

A (mostly) bunch of pretty girls all ready for Fox.

173 Minor_L  Aug 18, 2014 12:48:01pm

re: #161 Shvaughn

This is a good point — didn’t someone say that it would leave residue if the shot was fired 5’ or less from the target?

I don’t know if we’ll ever really know what happened.

174 WhatEVs  Aug 18, 2014 12:48:49pm

re: #169 becominginvisible

Might not be the best use of taxpayer money at this point.

I know, right? Much better to spend taxpayer dollars on PR than actual reform. But then again, reform iz haard.

175 Kragar  Aug 18, 2014 12:48:56pm

re: #168 jaunte

If I ran a PR firm, I think I’d pass on this client.

Mr. Show did a sketch about PR firms, one had the “New KKK” account and the other had the “NAMBLA: We’re not killers!” account. This might come in 3rd

176 GeneJockey  Aug 18, 2014 12:49:07pm

re: #173 Minor_L

This is a good point — didn’t someone say that it would leave residue if the shot was fired 5’ or less from the target?

I don’t know if we’ll ever really know what happened.

Especially since the police didn’t bother taking any witness statements, or maybe even a statement from the officer involved.

177 Shiplord Kirel  Aug 18, 2014 12:49:25pm

re: #157 jaunte

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Good to know someone’s on the job, telling us what to think about all this.

They look pretty young (not withstanding that most people look young to me). Too inexperienced to know when they have been handed a roadkill skunk and told to turn it into a prize winning show cat?

178 jaunte  Aug 18, 2014 12:49:47pm

re: #177 Shiplord Kirel

Cockeyed optimists.

179 GeneJockey  Aug 18, 2014 12:50:04pm

re: #174 Joanne

I know, right? Much better to spend taxpayer dollars on PR than actual reform. But then again, reform iz haard.

Reform requires admitting you’re wrong, whereas PR can be all about saying you’re sorry people feel that way.

180 Danny  Aug 18, 2014 12:50:23pm

re: #173 Minor_L

This is a good point — didn’t someone say that it would leave residue if the shot was fired 5’ or less from the target?

I don’t know if we’ll ever really know what happened.

Brown was wearing a ball cap in the convenience store video. If it was still on him when shot in the too of the head it would have gunpowder residue on it, if the range from which he was shot was within a few feet.

181 b.d.  Aug 18, 2014 12:50:26pm

re: #169 becominginvisible

Might not be the best use of taxpayer money at this point.

We spent the money that we were going to buy dash mounted cameras on a PR firm instead!

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182 WhatEVs  Aug 18, 2014 12:50:27pm

re: #173 Minor_L

This is a good point — didn’t someone say that it would leave residue if the shot was fired 5’ or less from the target?

I don’t know if we’ll ever really know what happened.

We don’t know what happened to his body when he was being autopsied the first time. They should have combed his hair and tested his clothes. His clothes were not examined by anyone other than those who did the first and unreleased (to my knowledge) autopsy.

183 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 18, 2014 12:51:09pm

In Ferguson, Black Town, White Power

POLITICS, wrote the political scientist Harold Lasswell in 1936, is about “who gets what, when, and how.” If you want to understand the racial power disparities we’ve seen in Ferguson, Mo., understand that it’s not only about black and white. It’s about green.

The region’s fragmentation isn’t limited to the odd case of a city shedding its county. St. Louis County contains 90 municipalities, most with their own city hall and police force. Many rely on revenue generated from traffic tickets and related fines. According to a study by the St. Louis nonprofit Better Together, Ferguson receives nearly one-quarter of its revenue from court fees; for some surrounding towns it approaches 50 percent.

184 urbanmeemaw  Aug 18, 2014 12:52:27pm

re: #157 jaunte

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Good to know someone’s on the job, telling us what to think about all this.

I thought Fox News, CNN NBC etc. were supposed to be doing that?

185 WhatEVs  Aug 18, 2014 12:52:31pm

re: #180 Danny

Brown was wearing a ball cap in the convenience store video. If it was still on him when shot in the too of the head it would have gunpowder residue on it, if the range from which he was shot was within a few feet.

I have seen several people ask what happened to that cap.

186 jaunte  Aug 18, 2014 12:52:58pm
187 DodgerFan1988  Aug 18, 2014 12:53:03pm

The Right’s latest talking point: attack Michael Brown’s parents as agitators and race hustlers. A disgusting new low.mrconservative.com

188 Jenner7  Aug 18, 2014 12:53:43pm

Does anyone know when the police had their very first press conference, did they state that they would be handing over the investigation to StlC PD? It just seems like they didn’t release simple, basic information for the public.

189 Jayleia  Aug 18, 2014 12:53:57pm

re: #23 b_sharp

Y’know, that’s actually a tempting idea…might not get the information we need, but I’d feel a bit better…

190 Dr. Matt  Aug 18, 2014 12:54:20pm

Klan heading to Ferguson to ‘guard white businesses,’ back shooting of ‘n*gger criminal’

Ku Klux Klan (KKK) members from three different states are reportedly traveling to Ohio to hold a two-day fundraiser for the officer who shot unarmed teen Michael Brown, and to “guard white businesses.”

The Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC) first reported last week that that the New Empire Knights of the Ku Klux Klan had begun raising money in support of the Ferguson police officer who killed Brown.

On Friday, the New Empire Knights announced that it would be holding a fundraiser on August 23-24 in Sullivan, about 60 miles from Ferguson.

I hope this is just bullshit…..

191 WhatEVs  Aug 18, 2014 12:55:19pm

re: #187 DodgerFan1988

The Right’s latest talking point: attack Michael Brown’s parents as agitators and race hustlers. A disgusting new low.mrconservative.com

Without reading it, I am all but certain that this will hardly be the lowest of lows. I expect many more to come.

192 wrenchwench  Aug 18, 2014 12:55:35pm

re: #183 Backwoods_Sleuth

In Ferguson, Black Town, White Power

Institutionalized, monetized racism.

193 Jenner7  Aug 18, 2014 12:55:38pm

re: #180 Danny

I don’t know what I was watching, but I noticed the cap laying by a police cone.

194 Danny  Aug 18, 2014 12:56:12pm

re: #188 Jenner7

Does anyone know when the police had their very first press conference, did they state that they would be handing over the investigation to StlC PD? It just seems like they didn’t release simple, basic information for the public.

According to Chief Jackson he requested that StLC handle the investigation before he arrived on the scene.

195 Schadenboner, Inc.  Aug 18, 2014 12:57:00pm

re: #190 Dr. Matt

Klan heading to Ferguson to ‘guard white businesses,’ back shooting of ‘n*gger criminal’

I hope this is just bullshit…..

Countdown to RWNJ either claiming false flag or start up with the “WELP, KKK R DEMMYCRATS!” shitheadery, 3… 2… 1…

196 BeachDem  Aug 18, 2014 12:59:12pm

Charles P. Pierce is back from vacation.

THE LIMITS OF EVERYTHING

“There has been enough loose talk about how and why, and who deserved what, and there have already been enough people riding their own personal hobby-horses through the smoke-choked streets where Michael Brown, an American child, was shot and killed and left in the street like a dog…

“The honest conclusion to be drawn from what is going on in Missouri now is that we may have reached the limits of the American idea, of the American dream, of the American experiment. This country, it is fair to conclude, cannot exist without some manifestation of its fundamental racial divide…

“The American dream, the American idea, the American experiment, all of these, it turns out, may have been zero-sum games pretending to be limitless.”

esquire.com

197 Kragar  Aug 18, 2014 12:59:24pm

Exclusive: We now have video of the Darren Wilson “witness” talking about other events

Youtube Video

198 Jenner7  Aug 18, 2014 1:00:17pm

There is no link to this, I just noticed it on Huffington’s update.

199 jonhendry  Aug 18, 2014 1:00:35pm

re: #190 Dr. Matt

Ku Klux Klan (KKK) members from three different states are reportedly traveling to Ohio

Lol.

I’m sure this is just an error by RawStory, but it’s about the level of competence I would expect of the Klan.

200 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 18, 2014 1:01:29pm

Give me a feckin break…

201 allegro  Aug 18, 2014 1:01:49pm

re: #192 wrenchwench

Institutionalized, monetized racism.

… and weaponized.

202 Franklin  Aug 18, 2014 1:02:11pm
203 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 18, 2014 1:04:08pm

re: #200 Backwoods_Sleuth

Probably just good boys out for a lark.
something.
something.
something…

204 Kragar  Aug 18, 2014 1:04:38pm
205 Kragar  Aug 18, 2014 1:05:00pm

re: #203 Backwoods_Sleuth

Probably just good boys out for a lark.
something.
something.
something…

They’re just making their way the only way they know how

206 jaunte  Aug 18, 2014 1:05:04pm

re: #203 Backwoods_Sleuth

Probably just good boys out for a lark.
something.
something.
something…

Defending that “Missouri Realm”

207 b.d.  Aug 18, 2014 1:05:05pm

re: #200 Backwoods_Sleuth

Give me a feckin break…

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2nd AMENDMENT!!!!

208 ausador  Aug 18, 2014 1:07:09pm

re: #185 Joanne

I have seen several people ask what happened to that cap.

It was there on the ground next to the body, in the photos just after the body was removed all that is left is the upside-down cap and a pool of blood in the road.

209 Ian G.  Aug 18, 2014 1:07:51pm

So are the RWNJ’s blathering about how Brown had marijuana in his system and that makes him a “thug” yet?

Because I never, ever, smoked a joint as a teen, especially not when playing in the rock band I had in high school, no siree.

210 Targetpractice  Aug 18, 2014 1:08:31pm

re: #209 Ian G.

So are the RWNJ’s blathering about how Brown had marijuana in his system and that makes him a “thug” yet?

Because I never, ever, smoked a joint as a teen, especially not when playing in the rock band I had in high school, no siree.

Never met an angry pot smoker.

211 jaunte  Aug 18, 2014 1:09:14pm
212 Kid A  Aug 18, 2014 1:09:22pm
213 danarchy  Aug 18, 2014 1:10:33pm

re: #185 Joanne

I have seen several people ask what happened to that cap.

Seen pictures of it lying in the street after the shooting with a little orange traffic cone next to it, probably marking it as evidence to be collected. Probably sitting in an evidence room.

214 WhatEVs  Aug 18, 2014 1:11:12pm

re: #210 Targetpractice

Never met an angry pot smoker.

That’s totally wrong. Ask me how mad I was when I couldn’t get my favorite munchies (which was spaghetti and meatballs with a fried egg on top. Don’t ask.)

215 WhatEVs  Aug 18, 2014 1:12:31pm

re: #208 ausador

re: #213 danarchy

Thanks, guys.

I would think that that would need to be tested for GSR. As well as the angle of the bullet.

216 Dr. Matt  Aug 18, 2014 1:13:49pm

re: #199 jonhendry

Lol.

I’m sure this is just an error by RawStory, but it’s about the level of competence I would expect of the Klan.

RS is notorious for not proofing their pieces.

217 Schadenboner, Inc.  Aug 18, 2014 1:13:49pm

re: #204 Kragar

And *again* (as in Mississippi), to the RWNJ the notion of blacks voting in elections is itself inherently illegitimate.

Is is, as they say, telling.

218 Schadenboner, Inc.  Aug 18, 2014 1:14:49pm

re: #210 Targetpractice

Never met an angry pot smoker.

Brah, quit bogarting!

219 Frenchy  Aug 18, 2014 1:14:53pm

So yesterday Chuck C. Johnson was “annoyed” by all the attention on Ferguson, presumably because people were paying less attention to his completely made up stories. Today he’s making up a story about Michael Brown. Problem solved.

220 b_sharp  Aug 18, 2014 1:15:03pm

re: #139 Franklin’s Tower

So basically he was hunched over? Or as the wingnuts would have you believe, bull rushing like a cartoon character?

Or in the process of falling forward or doubling over from the previous shots.

221 ausador  Aug 18, 2014 1:16:44pm

Expanded on Krager’s earlier accusation, after all rumors are “more true” the more people repeat them right?

222 Minor_L  Aug 18, 2014 1:39:31pm

re: #180 Danny

Hopefully, the DOJ is able to analyze his clothes.

223 lostlakehiker  Aug 19, 2014 2:53:55pm

re: #42 Charles Johnson

This is why Ferguson police department immediately put out the story that Brown tried to grab Wilson’s gun.

Let’s see if it turns out there’s a bullet hole in Wilson’s car. If there is, that would tend to corroborate the claim.


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