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One of the Outside Groups Inciting Violence in Ferguson: The Revolutionary Communist Party

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Last night, with the help of some others on Twitter, I discovered an important story the media have so far missed: one of the main outside groups involved in inciting violence in Ferguson is the notorious Revolutionary Communist Party, a Maoist group started by cultish leader Bob Avakian. One of their slogans is “No solution without violent revolution.”

The RCP is generally despised by liberal community organizers, and well known for showing up at protests such as OWS and doing their best to instigate violent conflicts between police and protesters.

Here are some of the tweets posted on this subject:

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417 comments

1 HappyWarrior  Aug 19, 2014 10:15:32am

And because of this, the usual suspects will label all the protesters Communists. Saw that song and dance routine during the lead up to Iraq and I would not be shocked to see it again. It’s frustrating. It’s as frustrating as the RWNJs.

2 Craigo  Aug 19, 2014 10:16:14am

Antonio French is awesome.

That’s all for now.

3 b.d.  Aug 19, 2014 10:18:13am

I knew it, Putin’s behind all of this.

//

4 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 19, 2014 10:18:26am

Antonio French has had enough of this nonsense.

Sticking that in a spoiler tag because it looks like a wingnut site.

5 jaunte  Aug 19, 2014 10:18:58am

Sideshow Bob Cult

6 Gus  Aug 19, 2014 10:20:12am

That photo is still rather trippy. Oh, now I remember what I was babbling about last night. Some of what’s going on in Ferguson is almost surreal.

7 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 19, 2014 10:20:16am

HAHAHA Love this beatdown

8 psddluva4evah  Aug 19, 2014 10:20:46am
9 BeachDem  Aug 19, 2014 10:24:39am

re: #7 Pie-onist Overlord

I love the smile on Antonio’s face after the smackdown.

10 lawhawk  Aug 19, 2014 10:24:50am

More details emerge from the arrests made last night. There were 78 arrested, and all but three were for failure to disperse.

Of the 78, all but three were arrested for refusing to disperse, the records show. Two people, both from the St. Louis area, were arrested for unlawful use of a weapon, and a man from Rockton, Illinois, was arrested for interfering with an officer.

Refusing to disperse was the prime charge, but note too that the officers thwarted people from actually trying to leave the area:

Police said that they were fired on and had Molotov cocktails thrown at them overnight. Several people who were arrested and spoke to NBC News on Tuesday, however, blamed the police for overreacting to the protesters.

One of the people arrested for refusing to disperse, Kyle Niere, 23, told NBC News by phone on Tuesday that he was dragged from his truck by law enforcement officers as he was trying to drive away from the protests.

“They drug us all out,” said Niere, who said he lives in Ferguson and was among a group of 12 people arrested. “Face-first on the ground, stepping on the back of our heads. They’re being brutal for no reason. None of us were violent. We were just there.”

So, you’ve got someone trying to drive away from the area, and the police stopped the vehicle, pulled the person out, and then arrested them in a rather brutal fashion.

But the right wingers will say there isn’t police brutality, the community brought it on itself, etc.

There is no justification for the police actions here.

This must be addressed, not just in Ferguson but all police agencies. Media should be holding them accountable. They should be pressing local governments to be more accountable.

One of the easiest ways to make that happen? Instead of spending money on armored vehicles that are best prepared for military combat, buy cameras for all officers, the gear necessary to archive those daily encounters, and improve training and community relations. It’ll save the municipalities a bunch in the long term, and can help prevent volatile situations from getting out of hand.

(And for those who want to follow the money, the company that makes tasers also happens to make LEO cameras, and their stock price is surging because of interest in both nonlethal weapons and the cameras) [and for full disclosure, I do not have any position in the company or stock interest.]

11 wrenchwench  Aug 19, 2014 10:25:43am

re: #4 Backwoods_Sleuth

Antonio French has had enough of this nonsense.

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Ew, this is the Missouri Torch:

About the Author: Duane Lester
Duane Lester has been an outspoken political activist since launching All American Blogger in 2007. Since that time he has been a contributor at the American Issues Project, Pajamas Media and served as Editor in Chief at Liberty News prior to launching The Missouri Torch. His articles have been featured on nationally syndicated talk broadcasts like the Michael Savage Show and he is a frequent guest on the #1 rated, daily syndicated Dana Loesch radio program. In 2012, Duane was the recipient of the first Breitbart Blogger Award.

12 b.d.  Aug 19, 2014 10:26:08am

re: #7 Pie-onist Overlord

HAHAHA Love this beatdown

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They use to make Maoist plant agitators a little bit tougher than that back in my day.

13 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 19, 2014 10:26:45am

re: #11 wrenchwench

yeah, while you were typing, I went back and put it in a spoiler tag because of that.

14 lawhawk  Aug 19, 2014 10:26:55am

I know his heart appears to be in the right place, but they’re sending the wrong message - peaceful protesters should stay home while the police deal with the rabble rousers.

The Highway Patrol captain in charge of security in Ferguson, Missouri, expressed hope Tuesday that peaceful protesters would stay home and allow authorities to deal with “those who have been ruining our community.”

Capt. Ron Johnson, who grew up in the area, spoke after a chaotic night in which 78 people were arrested and two people were hit by gunfire. In an interview with MSNBC, he drew a distinction between peaceful protesters upset about the police killing of Michael Brown, an unarmed black teenager, and criminals who are taking advantage of the protests to loot stores and attack officers.

“Today my hope is the peaceful protesters will stay home and protest during the daytime and stay home at night and let us take those who have been ruining our community and take them and deal with them,” he said. He praised police for their restraint late Monday and early Tuesday. He also faulted some members of the media for glamorizing violent criminals and giving them a platform.

15 wrenchwench  Aug 19, 2014 10:27:33am

re: #13 Backwoods_Sleuth

yeah, while you were typing, I went back and put it in a spoiler tag because of that.

Impressive little resume, but not in a good way.

16 WhatEVs  Aug 19, 2014 10:28:12am

re: #11 wrenchwench

I noticed that he gave a shout out to Hoft in the one article (no link, just a shout out that he got the vid from GWP). I was sort of amazed that that particular video came from Hoft. It wasn’t hating on the blahs.

17 A Mom Anon  Aug 19, 2014 10:28:23am

Anyone have any idea of how many of these assclowns are in Ferguson right now? And, are there other groups like this that show up and cause problems? It might be good to know this and expose them or keep some kind of record of them for future reference. Who they are, what their group claims as their philosophy, etc. I don’t get what they’re trying to accomplish here at all. How does escalating the violence in mostly minority community solve a thing? All it’s doing is feeding the racists’ hatred. Like the bastards need help. Sigh.

18 BeachDem  Aug 19, 2014 10:29:16am

I find it interesting/amusing that the only article about Ferguson at the Intercept is the one by John Cook about their reporter getting arrested. (not counting The Greenwald’s lofty condemnation of the militarization of police from 8/14)

19 Charles Johnson  Aug 19, 2014 10:29:19am

That photo on top is on the cover of the print edition Wall Street Journal today.

20 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 19, 2014 10:29:37am

re: #17 A Mom Anon

Westboro Baptist Church and the KKK are supposedly going to show up.

21 lawhawk  Aug 19, 2014 10:30:20am
22 klys  Aug 19, 2014 10:32:36am

I just hope that Antonio French hasn’t set himself up for assault charges, with all the video evidence of the encounter.

23 nines09  Aug 19, 2014 10:33:37am

re: #17 A Mom Anon

They are there to throw gasoline on a fire. At this point the locals should pull back and let the outsiders be seen by themselves. But you know that won’t happen. This is a smoldering bon fire waiting to explode.

24 b.d.  Aug 19, 2014 10:33:41am

re: #22 klys

I just hope that Antonio French hasn’t set himself up for assault charges, with all the video evidence of the encounter.

French could claim that he momentarily thought that he would try and act like a police officer.

25 Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 19, 2014 10:34:12am

re: #22 klys

I just hope that Antonio French hasn’t set himself up for assault charges, with all the video evidence of the encounter.

Yeah he’s not exactly a friend of the police right now.

26 Rightwingconspirator  Aug 19, 2014 10:35:25am

re: #14 lawhawk

I know his heart appears to be in the right place, but they’re sending the wrong message - peaceful protesters should stay home while the police deal with the rabble rousers.

FFS if you stay home you are not a protester. How is it the police can single out journalists for bean bag hits and arrests but not looters?!

27 klys  Aug 19, 2014 10:35:31am

re: #24 b.d.

French could claim that he momentarily thought that he would try and act like a police officer.

Haha. Not sure that would fly with the judge, though, they tend not to have senses of humor.

In other news, they plan to find some money!

The city has pledged to help increase black applicants to the county’s police academy, raise funds to secure dash and vest cameras, develop programs and incentives to encourage residency of police officers in Ferguson, work with schools to engage young people and provide resources for growth, and rebuild the West Florissant business district.

28 Randall Gross  Aug 19, 2014 10:36:22am

re: #4 Backwoods_Sleuth

Sometimes a torch is just a torch, but Torch iconography is all used across the globe by Far Right Nationalists, mostly in the youth groups.

29 A Mom Anon  Aug 19, 2014 10:37:38am

re: #20 Backwoods_Sleuth

I heard about that, because what this situation needs is more freaking hate. Sigh. Again.

I was actually referring to the so called “anarchists” and “revolutionaries” that show up to protests (notice they never show up and try to fuck up a tea party gathering or a wingnut festival of fucktitude) to try and instigate violence. I remember a group called Black Bloc that breaks windows and vandalizes property (setting cars on fire, shit like that) and basically hijacks the initial reason for the protest in the first place. Thus discrediting what might have been a seriously legit reason to stand up and fight back, like the people of Ferguson are trying to do. It would be nice to put names, faces and group affiliation together somehow so when this shit happens there’s a way to ID the assholes and separate them out from people trying to do the right thing.

30 BeachDem  Aug 19, 2014 10:37:40am

re: #27 klys

Haha. Not sure that would fly with the judge, though, they tend not to have senses of humor.

In other news, they plan to find some money!

Will that be before or after they pay their new PR firm?

31 lawhawk  Aug 19, 2014 10:38:01am

The “Josie” corroborates the FPD and Office Wilson version has taken hold, even though there’s no reason to consider her and the version of events credible.

She wasn’t a witness to the incident. She’s at best repeating what Wilson said happened, and that’s a version of events that would have been part of the FPD investigation, so of course the versions would match.

The problem, of course, is that the eyewitnesses, some of whom the FPD didn’t interview, tell a different story - one that showed Wilson out of control and who extrajudically killed Brown.

32 Targetpractice  Aug 19, 2014 10:40:11am

re: #31 lawhawk

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The “Josie” corroborates the FPD and Office Wilson version has taken hold, even though there’s no reason to consider her and the version of events credible.

She wasn’t a witness to the incident. She’s at best repeating what Wilson said happened, and that’s a version of events that would have been part of the FPD investigation, so of course the versions would match.

The problem, of course, is that the eyewitnesses, some of whom the FPD didn’t interview, tell a different story - one that showed Wilson out of control and who extrajudically killed Brown.

Even accounting for the unreliability of eyewitness testimony, it still tends to be more accurate than “I heard from a friend.” What “Josie” is spreading is hearsay coming from a source who has every reason to lie his ass off.

33 b.d.  Aug 19, 2014 10:40:26am

Freepers slobbering all over Hoft’s eye story.

34 sagehen  Aug 19, 2014 10:40:30am

Russell Honoré was just on Ronon Farrow; good interview.

paraphrasing…

“The biggest problem for the National Guard, coming in after there’s already been seven or eight days of the wrong forces using the wrong tactics… it’s harder than if they’d been there from the beginning.

“These people want to make their voices heard. The best thing to do is… facilitate that. Give them a platform, give them a microphone. If part of what they’re angry about is aggressive police tactics, you’re not going to solve that with aggressive police tactics.

“Justice will have to come from a political solution, security forces can’t give them that. It will have to come from elected officials and the courts.”

35 lawhawk  Aug 19, 2014 10:41:44am

re: #34 sagehen

Shorter Honoré : The FPD, St. Louis county police, and county police have been, and continue to be, stuck on stupid.

36 Targetpractice  Aug 19, 2014 10:41:57am

re: #33 b.d.

Freepers slobbering all over Hoft’s eye story.

Remember Zimmerman being reported as suffering deep lacerations, concussion that might have killed him, and other supposed “serious wounds” that Trayvon supposedly inflicted upon him?

37 HappyWarrior  Aug 19, 2014 10:42:29am

re: #33 b.d.

Freepers slobbering all over Hoft’s eye story.

Of course they are.

38 b.d.  Aug 19, 2014 10:45:47am

THE ONLY NEWS SOURCES I TRUST ARE FOX, DRUDGE, BREITBART AND JOSIE

39 Lidane  Aug 19, 2014 10:45:54am

re: #33 b.d.

Freepers slobbering all over Hoft’s eye story.

And proving that they’re complete morans in the process.

Wilson wouldn’t have been able to see, much less shoot anyone. I’m assuming none of these dipshits bothered to Google the injury being claimed and compare it to the video in the immediate aftermath of Mike Brown’s murder.

40 Bulworth  Aug 19, 2014 10:47:36am

re:
#39

Of course given that Wilson has been out of town and out of sight for ten days means this can never be verified. Except for the video taken immediately after the shooting when he is standing around, appearing uninjured.

41 Targetpractice  Aug 19, 2014 10:48:29am

So what is the supposed source of this “exclusive”? Did somebody at the FPD sneak Wilson’s medical file under Hoft’s door?

42 Bulworth  Aug 19, 2014 10:48:58am

re:
#39

And the point of Hoft et al isn’t to prove the broken eye socket or whatever, it’s just to throw this against the wall with everything else to muddy things up, divert people’s attention, etc.

43 ObserverArt  Aug 19, 2014 10:49:55am

re: #6 Gus

That photo is still rather trippy. Oh, now I remember what I was babbling about last night. Some of what’s going on in Ferguson is almost surreal.

Been watching from the sidelines the last few days…I have nothing to say about any of this because as you say it is surreal. Sometimes bad comedy, sometimes sad commentary. And everyone is a part of it all.

Makes me wonder how much of all of this has been amped up due to all the social media and smart phone images. People can be a player in an instant, get in some images and be seen all around the world.

You have all of the bullshit twitter experts that the media actually reports and then finds out they are clowns. Again…no fact checking because they don’t want facts, they want hits/viewers and real facts just seem to be too boring to the masses. Or, something.

I saw someone in one of the other threads mentioning this is all is a bit like the Euro Maiden demonstrations. Maybe to a degree, but some of the people in Ferguson are play acting in my opinion. And if true that sucks as it belittles the whole reason the real people in Ferguson are protesting…the heavy hand of the law and the unjustified shooting (murder) of the young man that all of this is based on.

This is one hell of a social study though. I’m just not real sure what it all says. I think I may be scared of what it says.

44 Dr. Matt  Aug 19, 2014 10:50:47am

So, 10 days after Brown’s murder and just today it’s revealed that Wilson has a broken eye socket? Yeah….sounds credible. ///

45 psddluva4evah  Aug 19, 2014 10:51:31am

anyone else hear/read this:

46 Decatur Deb  Aug 19, 2014 10:51:50am

re: #17 A Mom Anon

Anyone have any idea of how many of these assclowns are in Ferguson right now? And, are there other groups like this that show up and cause problems? It might be good to know this and expose them or keep some kind of record of them for future reference. Who they are, what their group claims as their philosophy, etc. I don’t get what they’re trying to accomplish here at all. How does escalating the violence in mostly minority community solve a thing? All it’s doing is feeding the racists’ hatred. Like the bastards need help. Sigh.

It’s how you get your cloward pivened.

47 Targetpractice  Aug 19, 2014 10:51:53am

re: #44 Dr. Matt

So, 10 days after Brown’s murder and just today it’s revealed that Wilson has a broken eye socket? Yeah….sounds credible. ///

And, of course, Wilson’s not around to verify it.

48 Kragar  Aug 19, 2014 10:52:08am

There was an HBO movie years ago where some incident occurred at a protest live on the news and they cut back to the anchors. One of them tried to proceed “Meanwhile, in other news…” and his cohost cut him off.

“In other news? Did you just see what happened? THERE IS NO OTHER NEWS.”

Snipers point rifles at American citizens protesting against systemic police violence, and people can’t be bothered with it.

49 Bulworth  Aug 19, 2014 10:52:30am

re:
#41

I suspect the same “source” that gave Chuck C. Award Winning Journalist Johnson that story about Michael Brown having a second degree murder charge as a minor. //

51 Lidane  Aug 19, 2014 10:52:42am

re: #41 Targetpractice

So what is the supposed source of this “exclusive”? Did somebody at the FPD sneak Wilson’s medical file under Hoft’s door?

Does anyone honestly believe that the cops would have kept things under wraps if this injury existed? They would have put the evidence for it out front and center as the justification for Mike Brown being shot. They would have organized fundraisers and/or vigils for his medical expenses, plastered his injured face all over the news, etc.

52 Kragar  Aug 19, 2014 10:53:04am

re: #41 Targetpractice

So what is the supposed source of this “exclusive”? Did somebody at the FPD sneak Wilson’s medical file under Hoft’s door?

You’d think they would release a photo to show how bad the injuries were.

They’ve released everything else.

53 Jayleia  Aug 19, 2014 10:53:41am

re: #2 Craigo

I’m starting to wonder if he was actually adopted by a Kansas family…

54 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 19, 2014 10:53:44am

jeez…I get an eyelash stuck in my eye and it’s at the very least annoying as hell and I’m trying to get it out, get it out, GET IT OUT!

Can’t imagine being able to be walking around with a blown out orbit socket without showing some sort of obvious, and very-apparent-to-others, physical reaction to the pain.

55 Targetpractice  Aug 19, 2014 10:54:57am

re: #51 Lidane

Does anyone honestly believe that the cops would have kept things under wraps if this injury existed? They would have put the evidence for it out front and center as the justification for Mike Brown being shot. They would have organized fundraisers and/or vigils for his medical expenses, plastered his injured face all over the news, etc.

If there were evidence that Brown had been the aggressor and Wilson acting in self-defense, the FPD would not be stalling. They certainly had no compunction against releasing a video nobody asked for to portray Brown as a violent “thug.”

56 BeachDem  Aug 19, 2014 10:55:27am

re: #31 lawhawk

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The “Josie” corroborates the FPD and Office Wilson version has taken hold, even though there’s no reason to consider her and the version of events credible.

She wasn’t a witness to the incident. She’s at best repeating what Wilson said happened, and that’s a version of events that would have been part of the FPD investigation, so of course the versions would match.

The problem, of course, is that the eyewitnesses, some of whom the FPD didn’t interview, tell a different story - one that showed Wilson out of control and who extrajudically killed Brown.

Correct me if I’m wrong, but I don’t believe we’ve ever even heard the Officer Wilson version at all, so it seems disingenuous for them to be claiming that ” Josie,” who supposedly heard it from Wilson’s girlfriend (which would make it hearsay of hearsay, right?) is corroborating anything.

57 Aunty Entity Dragon  Aug 19, 2014 10:55:36am

re: #52 Kragar

You’d think they would release a photo to show how bad the injuries were.

They’ve released everything else.

Except…their own autopsy, the original report on the shooting and any statments from witnessess.

58 Decatur Deb  Aug 19, 2014 10:55:39am

re: #52 Kragar

You’d think they would release a photo to show how bad the injuries were.

They’ve released everything else.

Someone else alluded to Ashley ‘B-Girl’ Todd. When Wilson surfaces he’ll have a backwards ‘M’ carved in his face.

59 b.d.  Aug 19, 2014 10:55:44am

Next up - Michael Brown gave that cop Ebola

60 Bulworth  Aug 19, 2014 10:57:01am

re:
#57

And except those things, yes. /

61 danarchy  Aug 19, 2014 10:57:34am

re: #44 Dr. Matt

So, 10 days after Brown’s murder and just today it’s revealed that Wilson has a broken eye socket? Yeah….sounds credible. ///

Well in one of the early press conferences with Chief Jackson he did say he was hit in the face and treated for injuries. So it’s not completely out of the blue, but yeah, I would suspect facial fractures to have been mentioned much sooner. It is still just Jim Hoft though, so I am going to go with BS until someone credible reports it.

62 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 19, 2014 10:58:31am
63 sagehen  Aug 19, 2014 10:59:02am

re: #51 Lidane

Does anyone honestly believe that the cops would have kept things under wraps if this injury existed? They would have put the evidence for it out front and center as the justification for Mike Brown being shot. They would have organized fundraisers and/or vigils for his medical expenses, plastered his injured face all over the news, etc.

Pulling a theory out of my ass: Maybe a day or two later, his boss got angry at him for doing something that would bring all those TV cameras to town and expose them for the fuckups they are, angry that they had to find money for the IT expert to scrub his net presence, angry that the governor and the Highway Patrol and everybody else is getting up in their business, and boss punched him. Then somebody said hey, can we act like this injury is from the other day?

64 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 19, 2014 10:59:11am

TI has learned from Glenn to make themselves the story
JOURNALISMS!!!!

65 Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 19, 2014 10:59:16am

re: #35 lawhawk

Stuck on Stupid sounds like a Weird Al album title

66 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Aug 19, 2014 10:59:42am

re: #1 HappyWarrior

And because of this, the usual suspects will label all the protesters Communists. Saw that song and dance routine during the lead up to Iraq and I would not be shocked to see it again. It’s frustrating. It’s as frustrating as the RWNJs.

I believe we had people here using the same approach for the OWS movement.

67 Kragar  Aug 19, 2014 11:00:03am

“This is right now a media event, pure and simple. This is people running towards tear gas, running away from it,” Harrigan said. “The dignified protestors went home at dusk. This is just child’s play right now.”

That description didn’t sit well with a demonstrator, who angrily confronted Harrigan during the live shot.

“Say that shit! No, say that shit,” the man said.

“I’m on TV right now,” Harrigan replied.

“I don’t give a damn. Ya’ll on TV. I don’t care about that shit,” the man shot back.

68 Stanley Sea  Aug 19, 2014 11:00:05am

re: #56 BeachDem

Correct me if I’m wrong, but I don’t believe we’ve ever even heard the Officer Wilson version at all, so it seems disingenuous for them to be claiming that ” Josie,” who supposedly heard it from Wilson’s girlfriend (which would make it hearsay of hearsay, right?) is corroborating anything.

She could be a complete stranger who just made something up.

69 allegro  Aug 19, 2014 11:00:07am

I keep having to remind myself that this all started with a couple of kids walking down the middle of a small suburban residential street on a summer Saturday afternoon.

But there’s no systemic racial problem with the Ferguson police?

70 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 19, 2014 11:01:00am

good grief.

71 Targetpractice  Aug 19, 2014 11:02:00am

re: #67 Kragar

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Nothing I love more than when somebody calls out shit like that on live TV. Props to that protestor.

72 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 19, 2014 11:02:16am

WILSON WAS HYPED UP ON ADRENALINES FROM FIGHTING OF A 300-LB THUG THAT TRIED TO GRAB HIS BULLETS & THROW THEM AT HIS HEAD LIKE NINJA STARS & HE DIDN’T NOTICE HIS BROKEN EYE SOCKET UNTIL 10 DAYS LATER!!!!!!

73 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 19, 2014 11:03:21am
74 Lidane  Aug 19, 2014 11:03:47am
75 BeachDem  Aug 19, 2014 11:04:22am

re: #61 danarchy

Well in one of the early press conferences with Chief Jackson he did say he was hit in the face and treated for injuries. So it’s not completely out of the blue, but yeah, I would suspect facial fractures to have been mentioned much sooner. It is still just Jim Hoft though, so I am going to go with BS until someone credible reports it.

Police Chief Thomas Jackson told a news conference on Wednesday the officer was treated in hospital for swelling on the side of his face.

That was before they ever identified the officer as Wilson.

76 Lidane  Aug 19, 2014 11:04:35am

re: #68 Stanley Sea

She could be a complete stranger who just made something up.

PR drone. That’s my thought anyhow.

77 BeachDem  Aug 19, 2014 11:05:43am

re: #68 Stanley Sea

She could be a complete stranger who just made something up.

Oh yes she could—and the fact that she said all this shit on Dana Loesch’s show increases the possibility of that being the case.

78 lawhawk  Aug 19, 2014 11:05:50am

re: #56 BeachDem

Correct me if I’m wrong, but I don’t believe we’ve ever even heard the Officer Wilson version at all, so it seems disingenuous for them to be claiming that ” Josie,” who supposedly heard it from Wilson’s girlfriend (which would make it hearsay of hearsay, right?) is corroborating anything.

More to the point, which FPD version of events? There’s the one where Brown was a robbery suspect, then he wasn’t, then he was stopped because he was walking in the street, he bum rushed Wilson, he was raging against Wilson on THC, etc.

The police haven’t had a consistent story - it’s “evolving” so to claim that anything is consistent with their version is odd. Wilson has yet to make a public statement (which is his legal right and if he’s got legal representation, they’d probably counsel him to keep quiet, and not say anything incriminating at all, which is to say not to say anything at all).

The only real consistent reporting is from the witnesses who are not connected to FPD, which indicate that Wilson was the aggressor, and that Brown was actively trying to surrender when the fatal shot was fired.

79 Decatur Deb  Aug 19, 2014 11:06:30am

re: #1 HappyWarrior

And because of this, the usual suspects will label all the protesters Communists. Saw that song and dance routine during the lead up to Iraq Selma and I would not be shocked to see it again. It’s frustrating. It’s as frustrating as the RWNJs.

Vintaged that fer ya’.

80 KiTA  Aug 19, 2014 11:08:22am

re: #20 Backwoods_Sleuth

Westboro Baptist Church and the KKK are supposedly going to show up.

Actually, nothing would make me happier than seeing the Westboro guys show up.

Especially if the Racist cops accidentally teargassed them. The Westboro guys are a lawsuit factory — they would sue the everloving HELL out of those cops for years to come.

81 HappyWarrior  Aug 19, 2014 11:08:24am

re: #74 Lidane

Geraldo needs to STFU and go look for Al Capone’s vault again:

Fox’s Rivera: Obama’s “Biggest Failing … Is Not Assuming The Role” Of “Surrogate Dad For Urban Families”

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Oh fuck off Geraldo. Just fuck off for once.

82 BeachDem  Aug 19, 2014 11:08:34am

re: #64 Pie-onist Overlord

TI has learned from Glenn to make themselves the story
JOURNALISMS!!!!

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And as I mentioned, that is the only story about Ferguson they’ve posted other than Glenn’s screed about militarization of police from last week.

83 HappyWarrior  Aug 19, 2014 11:08:57am

re: #79 Decatur Deb

Vintaged that fer ya’.

Oh no doubt about that but I wasn’t around for Selma. Same shit, different year.

84 Aunty Entity Dragon  Aug 19, 2014 11:09:17am

re: #70 Backwoods_Sleuth

good grief.

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These damned idiots in uniform give us a black eye each night in front of the entire world…and military dictatorships for the next 20 years will remind us about this.

85 KiTA  Aug 19, 2014 11:09:55am

re: #27 klys

Haha. Not sure that would fly with the judge, though, they tend not to have senses of humor.

In other news, they plan to find some money!

Vest cameras? These would be the same cops who are blatantly removing their name badges so they can remain anonymous during all this (likely at the suggestion of the PD’s Lawyers), right? Unless the Vest cameras have no way to be turned off, they’re a waste of time.

86 Bulworth  Aug 19, 2014 11:09:59am

re:
#74

And if Obama did assume the role of surrogate dad to urban families the RWNJ would hate him for ignoring white people. IOW, they’d act pretty much the same way they’ve acted for the past six years.

87 Varek Raith  Aug 19, 2014 11:10:25am

re: #74 Lidane

Let’s play a word game.

Fox’s Rivera: Bush’s “Biggest Failing … Is Not Assuming The Role” Of “Surrogate Dad For Rural Families”

Yeah, didn’t think so.

88 Feline Fearless Leader  Aug 19, 2014 11:10:43am

re: #70 Backwoods_Sleuth

good grief.

Yes, the world is laughing at US exceptionalism and their constant claim to having the higher moral ground. Talking the talk without walking the walk makes one look like a fool.

89 Aunty Entity Dragon  Aug 19, 2014 11:10:45am
90 Dr. Matt  Aug 19, 2014 11:11:13am
91 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 19, 2014 11:11:14am
92 Aunty Entity Dragon  Aug 19, 2014 11:11:39am

Uh oh.

93 Feline Fearless Leader  Aug 19, 2014 11:12:11am

re: #78 lawhawk

More to the point, which FPD version of events? There’s the one where Brown was a robbery suspect, then he wasn’t, then he was stopped because he was walking in the street, he bum rushed Wilson, he was raging against Wilson on THC, etc.

The police haven’t had a consistent story - it’s “evolving” so to claim that anything is consistent with their version is odd. Wilson has yet to make a public statement (which is his legal right and if he’s got legal representation, they’d probably counsel him to keep quiet, and not say anything incriminating at all, which is to say not to say anything at all).

The only real consistent reporting is from the witnesses who are not connected to FPD, which indicate that Wilson was the aggressor, and that Brown was actively trying to surrender when the fatal shot was fired.

Sounds like they have the Mitt Romney campaign acting as their advisers. Taking all sides of all positions while providing zero facts.

94 HappyWarrior  Aug 19, 2014 11:12:19am

re: #86 Bulworth

re:
#74

And if Obama did assume the role of surrogate dad to urban families the RWNJ would hate him for ignoring white people. IOW, they’d act pretty much the same way they’ve acted for the past six years.

What we all know to be true is there’s nothing Obama can do to make Geraldo and the other assholes at FNC. Say Obama finds the cure to cancer and naturally would show some pride in the find. FNC would accuse him of being arrogant about it. Obama gets the most wanted man in the world and oh wait that actually happened and they actually did whine that “he spiked the football.”

95 Varek Raith  Aug 19, 2014 11:12:28am

re: #90 Dr. Matt

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That would be his elevetiath one, I believe.

96 b_sharp  Aug 19, 2014 11:12:47am

Did Chuckles the Clown ever get back to us on the charges against Michael Brown as a juvenile ?

97 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 19, 2014 11:13:11am

Apparently, this happened on Ronan Farrow’s show today, so the video isn’t available online yet.

98 Decatur Deb  Aug 19, 2014 11:13:31am

re: #83 HappyWarrior

Oh no doubt about that but I wasn’t around for Selma. Same shit, different year.

Just don’t want people thinking this shit is new shit.

99 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 19, 2014 11:14:22am

re: #86 Bulworth

re:
#74

And if Obama did assume the role of surrogate dad to urban families the RWNJ would hate him for ignoring white people. IOW, they’d act pretty much the same way they’ve acted for the past six years.

They’re already outraged over Obama’s “My Brother’s Keeper” initiative.

100 Gus  Aug 19, 2014 11:14:25am

Unrelated.

St. Louis City police shoot, kill knife-weilding suspect

(KTVI) - Authorities are responding to a report of an officer involved shooting in north St. Louis. It happened just before 1 p.m. Tuesday at Mclaren and Riverview outside a market. Authorities say a man walked into a store and showed a knife.

The store owner says he got into a dispute with the man.

Police were called but the suspect refused to put down the weapon. He tried to attack police and was shot and killed.

We will bring you more details as they become available.

101 Varek Raith  Aug 19, 2014 11:14:28am

re: #97 Backwoods_Sleuth

Apparently, this happened on Ronan Farrow’s show today, so the video isn’t available online yet.

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FFS.
Dear MO politicians. Just shut up. You are not helping.

102 KiTA  Aug 19, 2014 11:14:35am

re: #91 Pie-onist Overlord

Oh shit.

103 HappyWarrior  Aug 19, 2014 11:14:54am

re: #98 Decatur Deb

Just don’t want people thinking this shit is new shit.

Yep completely understood and agreed with.

104 Decatur Deb  Aug 19, 2014 11:15:07am

re: #91 Pie-onist Overlord

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Is that an exceptional officer-involved shooting or a regularly-sceduled-officer-involved-shooting?

105 Gus  Aug 19, 2014 11:15:18am

Shooting is unrelated to the protests.

106 KiTA  Aug 19, 2014 11:15:20am

re: #101 Varek Raith

FFS.
Dear MO politicians. Just shut up. You are not helping.

On the contrary — from a long term perspective, we’re getting a wonderful list of closeted racists in MO to replace ASAP.

107 b_sharp  Aug 19, 2014 11:15:39am

re: #100 Gus

Unrelated.

St. Louis City police shoot, kill knife-weilding suspect

If the guy attacked the cop, the cop’s response was normal. It happens like that here too.

108 Targetpractice  Aug 19, 2014 11:15:48am

re: #78 lawhawk

More to the point, which FPD version of events? There’s the one where Brown was a robbery suspect, then he wasn’t, then he was stopped because he was walking in the street, he bum rushed Wilson, he was raging against Wilson on THC, etc.

The police haven’t had a consistent story - it’s “evolving” so to claim that anything is consistent with their version is odd. Wilson has yet to make a public statement (which is his legal right and if he’s got legal representation, they’d probably counsel him to keep quiet, and not say anything incriminating at all, which is to say not to say anything at all).

The only real consistent reporting is from the witnesses who are not connected to FPD, which indicate that Wilson was the aggressor, and that Brown was actively trying to surrender when the fatal shot was fired.

According to one wingnut I’ve been “discussing” the case with, all the eyewitnesses are liars because they said Brown looked like he got shot in the back, but “Josie” is closer to the truth because she said Brown charged and all the shots are to Brown’s front. That every eyewitness who’s come forward is repeating “rumors” and weren’t really there, but “Josie” relaying what she heard from Wilson’s girlfriend is enough reason to believe that the cop was firing in self-defense.

But he’s trying to convince me that he also is keeping an “open mind” and still thinks the shooting was wrong, even though he seems to be setting himself up to declare Wilson in the right.

109 Aunty Entity Dragon  Aug 19, 2014 11:16:05am

re: #97 Backwoods_Sleuth

I’m a Celt. Fuck the Lt Governor, his “Anglo civilization” bullshit and his lily white horse he rode to town on.

110 Gus  Aug 19, 2014 11:16:09am

re: #104 Decatur Deb

Is that an exceptional officer-involved shooting or a regularly-sceduled-officer-involved-shooting?

Regular. Trying to attack a LEO with a knife will get you shot and or killed. Thems the facts.

111 HappyWarrior  Aug 19, 2014 11:16:21am

re: #97 Backwoods_Sleuth

Apparently, this happened on Ronan Farrow’s show today, so the video isn’t available online yet.

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But remember people the GOP aren’t racist because once upon a time they were once decent on the issue of slavery.

112 b_sharp  Aug 19, 2014 11:16:28am

re: #104 Decatur Deb

Is that an exceptional officer-involved shooting or a regularly-sceduled-officer-involved-shooting?

I thought the stuff in Ferguson disrupted the normal schedule.

113 Randall Gross  Aug 19, 2014 11:16:32am

I like this Josie much better

Youtube Video

114 Varek Raith  Aug 19, 2014 11:16:40am

“Anglo American civilization”

Good fucking grief.

115 b.d.  Aug 19, 2014 11:16:43am

Oh man I am so excited about being back in the 1960s, someone remind me when Microsoft & Apple’s IPOs happen.

Oh and remind me to go with VHS over Betamax.
//

116 Gus  Aug 19, 2014 11:16:48am

re: #107 b_sharp

If the guy attacked the cop, the cop’s response was normal. It happens like that here too.

Yes, of course. I have no plans on joining the “all cops are bad” idiots like on Twitter.

117 HappyWarrior  Aug 19, 2014 11:16:48am

re: #109 Aunty Entity Dragon

I’m a Celt. Fuck the Lt Governor, his “Anglo civilization” bullshit and his lily white horse he rode to town on.

This Slav-Celt agrees.

118 lawhawk  Aug 19, 2014 11:17:15am

re: #91 Pie-onist Overlord

kmov.com

ST. LOUIS (kmov.com) - An officer involved shooting took place in St. Louis Tuesday afternoon.

Police confirmed that there an officer was involved in a shooting around 12:30 p.m. on McLaran and Riverview.

This is the location.

119 Decatur Deb  Aug 19, 2014 11:17:20am

re: #110 Gus

Regular. Trying to attack a LEO with a knife will get you shot and or killed. Thems the facts.

Never take a knife or a Swisher’s Sweet to a gunfight.

120 Lidane  Aug 19, 2014 11:17:38am

re: #101 Varek Raith

FFS.
Dear MO politicians. Just shut up. You are not helping.

Could be worse:

CNN Anchor Suggests Police Use Water Cannons On Ferguson Protesters

121 Shiplord Kirel  Aug 19, 2014 11:17:40am

re: #22 klys

I just hope that Antonio French hasn’t set himself up for assault charges, with all the video evidence of the encounter.

Inciting to riot is a criminal offense, a felony in fact. Antonio French is an elected official, sworn to uphold the law. As far as I’m concerned he was just doing his duty and the level of force was no more than what was reasonably required to stop the crime.
If the commies want to file charges, let them. Then they can explain what THEY were doing.

122 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 19, 2014 11:17:51am

re: #114 Varek Raith

“Anglo American civilization”

Good fucking grief.

So, they’re finally throwing away that “Judeo-Christian” bullshit meme.

123 Dr. Matt  Aug 19, 2014 11:18:13am

re: #119 Decatur Deb

Never take a knife or a Swisher’s Sweet to a gunfight.

Or skittles

124 Varek Raith  Aug 19, 2014 11:18:23am

re: #100 Gus

Unrelated.

St. Louis City police shoot, kill knife-weilding suspect

Well there you go.
Moran attacked the cops with a knife, go shot.

125 allegro  Aug 19, 2014 11:18:37am

re: #100 Gus

Unrelated.

St. Louis City police shoot, kill knife-weilding suspect

Police were called but the suspect refused to put down the weapon. He tried to attack police and was shot and killed.

Really? Am I the only one who is this cynical about any police explanation for a shooting now? It might be true but I won’t buy it for a minute until it’s verified by other witnesses at the scene.

126 b_sharp  Aug 19, 2014 11:18:40am

re: #109 Aunty Entity Dragon

I’m a Celt. Fuck the Lt Governor, his “Anglo civilization” bullshit and his lily white horse he rode to town on.

He’s hoping all WASPs unite.

My family is WASP but I wouldn’t even talk to that LG without wearing my shit kicking stomping boots.

127 Feline Fearless Leader  Aug 19, 2014 11:18:49am

re: #122 Pie-onist Overlord

So, they’re finally throwing away that “Judeo-Christian” bullshit meme.

Sounds like they’re getting ready to go after the Irish and Germans soon.
////// :p

128 Varek Raith  Aug 19, 2014 11:19:04am

re: #120 Lidane

Could be worse:

CNN Anchor Suggests Police Use Water Cannons On Ferguson Protesters

That look on his face says it all.

129 Charles Johnson  Aug 19, 2014 11:19:27am
130 Gus  Aug 19, 2014 11:19:28am

Um, later.

O.o

131 b_sharp  Aug 19, 2014 11:19:42am

re: #122 Pie-onist Overlord

So, they’re finally throwing away that “Judeo-Christian” bullshit meme.

Nope.

132 KiTA  Aug 19, 2014 11:19:55am
133 Decatur Deb  Aug 19, 2014 11:20:12am

re: #121 Shiplord Kirel

Inciting to riot is a criminal offense, a felony in fact. Antonio French is an elected official, sworn to uphold the law. As far as I’m concerned he was just doing his duty and the level of force was no more than what was reasonably required to stop the crime.
If the commies want to file charges, let them. Then they can explain what THEY were doing.

Looks like the alderman might have committed a pecadillo. I’ll put it on my LIst of Things to Deplore.

134 Aunty Entity Dragon  Aug 19, 2014 11:20:13am

re: #121 Shiplord Kirel

Inciting to riot is a criminal offense, a felony in fact. Antonio French is an elected official, sworn to uphold the law. As far as I’m concerned he was just doing his duty and the level of force was no more than what was reasonably required to stop the crime.
If the commies want to file charges, let them. Then they can explain what THEY were doing.

Dudebro commies trying to get everyone else shot before they go back to their mom’s basement.

Not exactly the Weathermen…but these asshats need to get kicked the hell out of town.

135 Randall Gross  Aug 19, 2014 11:20:14am

re: #113 Randall Gross

I like this Josie much better

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That’s because in this version Josie is 8 miles high.

136 Varek Raith  Aug 19, 2014 11:20:59am

re: #130 Gus

Um, later.

O.o

Was it my comment?
I wasn’t disagreeing with you.
;)

137 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 19, 2014 11:21:23am

Don’t they have spell check at Fox News?

138 Aunty Entity Dragon  Aug 19, 2014 11:21:27am

re: #124 Varek Raith

Well there you go.
Moran attacked the cops with a knife, go shot.

Yep, that will do it. If you actually attack a cop with a legit weapon, you can’t be surprised when the cop responds.

139 Jayleia  Aug 19, 2014 11:22:09am

re: #121 Shiplord Kirel

If I was on the jury…I’d probably ask “Which charges give Mr. French a medal?”

140 b_sharp  Aug 19, 2014 11:22:14am

re: #137 Pie-onist Overlord

Don’t they have spell check at Fox News?

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They meant welding, so it’s worse than you thought.

141 Varek Raith  Aug 19, 2014 11:22:17am

Anyone notice how quiet the dudebros are?

142 Decatur Deb  Aug 19, 2014 11:22:37am

re: #126 b_sharp

He’s hoping all WASPs unite.

My family is WASP but I wouldn’t even talk to that LG without wearing my shit kicking stomping boots.

My family is WICD, White Irish-Catholic Democrat. We don’t especially flock with the WASPs.

143 Aunty Entity Dragon  Aug 19, 2014 11:22:44am
144 lawhawk  Aug 19, 2014 11:22:49am

re: #140 b_sharp

Bring a pair of pliers and a blowtorch? /Marcellus Wallace

145 b_sharp  Aug 19, 2014 11:22:52am

re: #141 Varek Raith

Anyone notice how quiet the dudebros are?

No, but then I have my dudebro filter active.

146 Varek Raith  Aug 19, 2014 11:23:21am

re: #140 b_sharp

They meant welding, so it’s worse than you thought.

He was welding a super knife.

147 Testy Toad T  Aug 19, 2014 11:24:13am

re: #140 b_sharp

They meant welding, so it’s worse than you thought.

A truly unbeatable gameplan in knifey-spooney.

148 urbanmeemaw  Aug 19, 2014 11:24:14am

re: #61 danarchy

But going back to the video Charles posted a couple of days ago, where he and another cop are pacing around Michael’s body - I would think the other cop would look at his face, come up to him and ask what happened, have some discussion about it, etc. But I don’t see any type of interaction like that.

149 Varek Raith  Aug 19, 2014 11:24:29am

re: #137 Pie-onist Overlord

Sing it with me!

‘I’ before ‘e’ except after ‘c’!

150 Aunty Entity Dragon  Aug 19, 2014 11:24:33am
151 Bulworth  Aug 19, 2014 11:24:44am

re:
#141

Kind of like the teabaggers, although the teabaggers seem to have decided—after claiming persecution and conspiracy-mongering about FEMA camps for six years—their loyalties lie with Big Government.

152 darthstar  Aug 19, 2014 11:25:42am

But if a bunch of misguided white kids start throwing rocks at police, won’t that make them put their tear gas away?

153 danarchy  Aug 19, 2014 11:25:49am

re: #120 Lidane

Could be worse:

CNN Anchor Suggests Police Use Water Cannons On Ferguson Protesters

At least it was the CNN international anchor, maybe they didn’t teach much American history where she grew up? Hey I am trying to give her the benefit of the doubt.

154 Targetpractice  Aug 19, 2014 11:26:17am

re: #141 Varek Raith

Anyone notice how quiet the dudebros are?

I think Greenwald has made a few snarky remarks, but you’re right, the dudebros are suddenly interested in everything but the US.

155 Shiplord Kirel  Aug 19, 2014 11:26:30am

Hypothesis: The cops aren’t going after the agitators because they want the same thing, an orgy of violence and shooting.

156 b_sharp  Aug 19, 2014 11:26:59am

re: #142 Decatur Deb

My family is WICD, White Irish-Catholic Democrat. We don’t especially flock with the WASPs.

That would make you a WASC wouldn’t it?

I think Irish are also anglo saxons, aren’t they?.

157 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 19, 2014 11:27:05am

re: #154 Targetpractice

I think Greenwald has made a few snarky remarks, but you’re right, the dudebros are suddenly interested in everything but the US.

The Intercept made it about Their “Reporter”

158 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 19, 2014 11:27:41am
159 Decatur Deb  Aug 19, 2014 11:27:41am

re: #156 b_sharp

That would make you a WASC wouldn’t it?

I think Irish are also anglo saxons, aren’t they?.

Don’t say that in Galway.

160 Targetpractice  Aug 19, 2014 11:28:09am

re: #151 Bulworth

re:
#141

Kind of like the teabaggers, although the teabaggers seem to have decided—after claiming persecution and conspiracy-mongering about FEMA camps for six years—their loyalties lie with Big Government.

They love Big Government until it turns on them, then they try to convince us that they’ve been all sorts of concerned about Big Government but nobody listened to them.

161 Bear  Aug 19, 2014 11:28:13am

re: #149 Varek Raith

Not always.

162 Charles Johnson  Aug 19, 2014 11:28:42am

I have to laugh at the wingnuts trying to claim that Wilson might not have noticed he had a blowout fracture of his eye socket. Because adrenaline.

Idiots. Go ahead and tell this stupid nonsense to each other, but don’t expect normal people to buy it.

163 Decatur Deb  Aug 19, 2014 11:29:17am

re: #155 Shiplord Kirel

Hypothesis: The cops aren’t going after the agitators because they want the same thing, an orgy of violence and shooting.

KKKatharsis

164 KiTA  Aug 19, 2014 11:29:26am

So apparently the new Battlefield game uses White Domestic Terrorists (Tea Partiers) as the villains in one segment, and the RWNJs (including Beck) are having a sad:

addictinginfo.org

They of course have no comment over the past half dozen Battleifled or Call of Duty games where you shoot random brown people wearing turbans, btw.

165 Feline Fearless Leader  Aug 19, 2014 11:29:38am

re: #152 darthstar

But if a bunch of misguided white kids start throwing rocks at police, won’t that make them put their tear gas away?

Only if they run around a bit first and then reveal that the innocent-looking Mr Crawley the undertaker is really behind it all.
//

166 Targetpractice  Aug 19, 2014 11:30:13am

re: #162 Charles Johnson

I have to laugh at the wingnuts trying to claim that Wilson might not have noticed that he had a blowout fracture of his eye socket. Because adrenaline.

Idiots. Go ahead and tell this stupid nonsense to each other, but don’t expect normal people to buy it.

Yeah, Wilson was so full of adrenaline that a blowout fracture of his eye socket didn’t register, but a few cuts to his scalp and a bang to his head was enough to convince George Zimmerman that he was gonna die unless he shot Trayvon.

167 Feline Fearless Leader  Aug 19, 2014 11:30:41am

re: #156 b_sharp

That would make you a WASC wouldn’t it?

I think Irish are also anglo saxons, aren’t they?.

Nope. Angles and Saxons were invaders coming to Albion’s shores from a different direction and speaking a different language than the Irish (or Scots).

168 Aunty Entity Dragon  Aug 19, 2014 11:31:23am
169 BeachDem  Aug 19, 2014 11:31:29am

re: #149 Varek Raith

Sing it with me!

‘I’ before ‘e’ except after ‘c’!

or when sounded like “a” as in neighbor or weigh.
Except:
neither leisurely foreigner seized the weird counterfeit heights

(amazing how some things stay with you 60 years later and you can’t remember what you had for dinner last night.)

170 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 19, 2014 11:31:56am

re: #156 b_sharp

That would make you a WASC wouldn’t it?

I think Irish are also anglo saxons, aren’t they?.

My grandmother would smack you so hard if she was still alive.
;)

171 Skip Intro  Aug 19, 2014 11:32:00am

re: #162 Charles Johnson

I have to laugh at the wingnuts trying to claim that Wilson might not have noticed he had a blowout fracture of his eye socket. Because adrenaline.

Idiots. Go ahead and tell this stupid nonsense to each other, but don’t expect normal people to buy it.

Hey, I’ve lost track of how many movies I’ve seen where the good guy gets the crap kicked out of him, then gets shot at least half a dozen times, but still manages to kill a dozen bad guys and is completely healed in the next scene.

It could happen.

172 ObserverArt  Aug 19, 2014 11:32:18am

re: #162 Charles Johnson

I have to laugh at the wingnuts trying to claim that Wilson might not have noticed he had a blowout fracture of his eye socket. Because adrenaline.

Idiots. Go ahead and tell this stupid nonsense to each other, but don’t expect normal people to buy it.

Agreed, but damn, I am really getting scared at how few people are normal.

///

173 Charles Johnson  Aug 19, 2014 11:32:36am
174 Franklin  Aug 19, 2014 11:33:28am

See, here is my issue with the article “I’m a cop. If you don’t want to get hurt, don’t challenge me.

The second paragraph…

It is also a terrible calumny; cops are not murderers. No officer goes out in the field wishing to shoot anyone, armed or unarmed.

…presents a strawman argument. True, I highly doubt Officer Wilson put his uniform on, looked himself in the mirror and said “Today, I am going to kill a kid”.

In the same way that, (lets take a random police brutality case from ‘09 in CO that I heard of last week on NPR): Officer Murr, Nixon and Tiffany Middleton didn’t go out on patrol with the intent to brutally beat Alexander Landau. But their sense of power and their perception of the victim as someone inferior, led to it.

January 15, 2009: Alexander Landau and his passenger Addison Hunold were pulled over for an illegal left turn. Officer Randy Murr asked for consent to perform a search of the vehicle. Landau asked to see a warrant, and Officer Murr responded by punching him in the face and knocking him to the ground. Officer Murr, along with officers Ricky Nixon and Tiffany Middleton, then proceeded to beat him for several minutes with police radios and a flashlight. After the beating had stopped, Landau heard one of the officers say, “Where’s that warrant now, you fucking n*****?”. By the time the incident went to court, Officer Murr had been fired because of his involvement in the beating of Michael DeHerrera. Officer Nixon had been fired as well, due to his involvement in an incident at the Denver Diner wherein women were clubbed and maced. The City of Denver agreed to settle the case and gave Landau $795,000.00.

Source(s):
en.wikipedia.org
blogs.westword.com

175 Targetpractice  Aug 19, 2014 11:34:25am

re: #171 Skip Intro

Hey, I’ve lost track of how many movies I’ve seen where the good guy gets the crap kicked out of him, then gets shot at least half a dozen times, but still manages to kill a dozen bad guys and is completely healed in the next scene.

It could happen.

Yeah, action hero gets shot and the most it does is inconvenience him unless the script calls for it to be an incapacitating wound.

Meanwhile, in the real world, adrenaline can not give you 20/20 eyesight while one eye is swollen shut.

176 Charles Johnson  Aug 19, 2014 11:34:42am

re: #166 Targetpractice

I might believe he wouldn’t notice it immediately after getting hit, but within minutes he’d be in serious pain. He wouldn’t be standing calmly around like he is in that video.

177 Decatur Deb  Aug 19, 2014 11:34:53am

re: #167 Feline Fearless Leader

Nope. Angles and Saxons were invaders coming to Albion’s shores from a different direction and speaking a different language than the Irish (or Scots).

In theory the Irish are more related to the Galicians of Spain and the Bretons of France than to the Sassenachs. Of course they’ve all been fucking fairly indiscriminately for a couple thousand years.

178 Kragar  Aug 19, 2014 11:35:38am
179 Rightwingconspirator  Aug 19, 2014 11:35:42am

Cute Kitty break? Sometimes kitty gets to party with her humans.

A shot of whole milk while us humans enjoy our beers

180 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 19, 2014 11:35:51am
181 Targetpractice  Aug 19, 2014 11:36:53am

re: #176 Charles Johnson

I might believe he wouldn’t notice it immediately after getting hit, but within minutes he’d be in serious pain. He wouldn’t be standing calmly around like he is in that video.

Exactly. I could see him ignoring it as long as it took to fight Brown off, but there’s no way I believe he wouldn’t be hurting by the time he’d climbed out of his SUV and gotten around to the front, and I sure as hell don’t see him walking around minutes after the shooting like he was totally okay.

182 Aunty Entity Dragon  Aug 19, 2014 11:37:07am

re: #156 b_sharp

That would make you a WASC wouldn’t it?

I think Irish are also anglo saxons, aren’t they?.

No no no. Irish are Celts. They long predated Angles and Saxons (Germanic tribes) who did not appear until after the Romans left. Celtic tribes like the Iceni were the indigenous people of the British Isles, as well as much of Gaul (France), parts of northern Spain, Belgium, Switzerland and some of northen Italy.

183 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 19, 2014 11:37:23am

re: #175 Targetpractice

Yeah, action hero gets shot and the most it does is inconvenience him unless the script calls for it to be an incapacitating wound.

That would only happen in order to allow the girl hero to take over.

184 OhNoZombies!  Aug 19, 2014 11:37:42am

My little one hit his face on the corner of our bed when he was younger, right on that orbital socket. It resulted in immediate, horrifying swelling, and he still has a tiny dent. It wasn’t broken, thank God, but we did rush him to the hospital.
I call bullshit, cause the other officer would have call an ambulance.

185 Kragar  Aug 19, 2014 11:37:48am

re: #176 Charles Johnson

I might believe he wouldn’t notice it immediately after getting hit, but within minutes he’d be in serious pain. He wouldn’t be standing calmly around like he is in that video.

Normal procedure would be to take photos of the injuries. We already know the officer’s name and what he looks like.

So, lets see these horrific injuries. Surely the Ferguson PD would respond quickly to a FOIA request to get them released.

186 BeachDem  Aug 19, 2014 11:38:39am

re: #176 Charles Johnson

Has that story been claimed by anyone other than Hoft at this point?

187 Skip Intro  Aug 19, 2014 11:38:51am

re: #175 Targetpractice

Yeah, action hero gets shot and the most it does is inconvenience him unless the script calls for it to be an incapacitating wound.

Meanwhile, in the real world, adrenaline can not give you 20/20 eyesight while one eye is swollen shut.

Now that I think of it, I think I was describing 24.

188 ObserverArt  Aug 19, 2014 11:39:16am

John Fugelsang is getting pissed off.

I’d love to see him debate Hannity any time any place. I bet he could make Hannity cry.

189 Skip Intro  Aug 19, 2014 11:39:48am

re: #186 BeachDem

Has that story been claimed by anyone other than Hoft at this point?

Does it matter? It’s now a True Fact, and no evidence to the contrary will be considered.

190 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Aug 19, 2014 11:39:55am

re: #109 Aunty Entity Dragon

I’m a Celt. Fuck the Lt Governor, his “Anglo civilization” bullshit and his lily white horse he rode to town on.

This again shows how this level wingnuttery has become so mainstreamed, rationalized and justified that he sees no cause for outrage in making such a statement.

191 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 19, 2014 11:39:58am

In between racist memes, TCOT has been Tweeting DUI mugshots of Lehmberg thinking this somehow exonerates Rick Perry.

192 7-y (Expectation of Great Things in Due Course)  Aug 19, 2014 11:40:14am

re: #166 Targetpractice Yeah we’re likely to believe this, but if it were true, then it would be pointless not to speculate that the killer may have hit his own face on his own car door if it was being pulled in or out: (a) Michael’s companion said that the cop first tried to open it at them but they were too close and it bounced back on him; (b) others saw a struggle, in and out, and if the door had partially opened, it may have been able to thunk him on the face hard enough to do damage.

If he had an initial painful smack like that, it could have been what put him over the edge into rage.

193 KerFuFFler  Aug 19, 2014 11:40:15am

re: #156 b_sharp

That would make you a WASC wouldn’t it?

I think Irish are also anglo saxons, aren’t they?.

Nope. The Angles and the Saxons were both Germanic peoples that moved into “England”. The Irish along with the Welsh and Scots are Celtic. Parts of Northern France also have populations of Celtic extraction——-the people of Brittany.

194 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Aug 19, 2014 11:40:41am

re: #191 Pie-onist Overlord

In between racist memes, TCOT has been Tweeting DUI mugshots of Lehmberg thinking this somehow exonerates Rick Perry.

Too bad there were no cellphones to record GW Bush’s DUI

195 Testy Toad T  Aug 19, 2014 11:40:49am

re: #185 Kragar

Normal procedure would be to take photos of the injuries. We already know the officer’s name and what he looks like.

So, lets see these horrific injuries. Surely the Ferguson PD would respond quickly to a FOIA request to get them released.

This seems extremely likely to run afoul of HIPAA.

196 Skip Intro  Aug 19, 2014 11:40:55am

re: #188 ObserverArt

John Fugelsang is getting pissed off.

I’d love to see him debate Hannity any time any place. I bet he could make Hannity cry.

Hannity debates like Limbaugh debates: on the phone, with a call screener and a kill button.

197 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 19, 2014 11:41:13am

re: #187 Skip Intro

Now that I think of it, I think I was describing 24.

I stopped watching after they nuked LA and three episodes later (which would be 3 hours in “24” time) never mentioned it again.

198 dell*nix  Aug 19, 2014 11:41:27am

re: #98 Decatur Deb

I was in Selma for a funeral so this looks real familiar.

199 Feline Fearless Leader  Aug 19, 2014 11:41:34am

re: #179 Rightwingconspirator

Cute Kitty break? Sometimes kitty gets to party with her humans.

A shot of whole milk while us humans enjoy our beers

My one Siamese liked cleaning up the dregs of a Kahlua and cream (well half-and-half) after I drank one. The current kitties sniff around Baileys on the rocks, but appear repelled by the alcohol part.

200 b_sharp  Aug 19, 2014 11:42:08am

If Michael punched the cop while the cop was in the car & then started to run away, as he must have, does the cop have a valid reason to shoot at him?

If the cop shot at Michael and Michael then turned around and for some unknown reason charged toward the gun, would the cop have been following protocol in firing at him?

Did the cop empty his weapon because the punch to the eye, if it indeed happened, angered him? I’m pretty sure anger isn’t a valid reason to empty your weapon, but I’ve been wrong before.

It seems that the sequence of events had to follow a very specific path to give the cop justification.

201 Bulworth  Aug 19, 2014 11:42:12am

re:
#178

Armed revolt against US government? Oh, that’s fine. Patriotic. Challenging a police officer while Black? No, can’t have that. Treason. ///

202 Lidane  Aug 19, 2014 11:42:13am

re: #162 Charles Johnson

I have to laugh at the wingnuts trying to claim that Wilson might not have noticed he had a blowout fracture of his eye socket. Because adrenaline.

The only way he wouldn’t have noticed is if he was high as shit on PCP.

Hmm.

//////////////////////////////////////

203 KiTA  Aug 19, 2014 11:42:26am

re: #176 Charles Johnson

I might believe he wouldn’t notice it immediately after getting hit, but within minutes he’d be in serious pain. He wouldn’t be standing calmly around like he is in that video.

Lets not forget that it’s a moot point — the kid likely never even came near the officer to have a chance to hit him.

204 FemNaziBitch  Aug 19, 2014 11:42:33am

Ok, so, you know I really love Feral Girl.

Isn’t she cute?????

205 FemNaziBitch  Aug 19, 2014 11:43:42am

re: #193 KerFuFFler

Nope. The Angles and the Saxons were both Germanic peoples that moved into “England”. The Irish along with the Welsh and Scots are Celtic. Parts of Northern France also have populations of Celtic extraction——-the people of Brittany.

What were the Normans??

206 Kragar  Aug 19, 2014 11:43:45am

re: #195 Testy Toad T

This seems extremely likely to run afoul of HIPAA.

Nope, they should have been taken as part of the investigation which should occur after any officer involved shooting.

Should have been.

207 lawhawk  Aug 19, 2014 11:44:09am

re: #186 BeachDem

No official sources. Everyone’s linking to everyone else, and the ultimate source is Hoft.

208 Aunty Entity Dragon  Aug 19, 2014 11:44:15am

re: #200 b_sharp

If Michael punched the cop while the cop was in the car & then started to run away, as he must have, does the cop have a valid reason to shoot at him?

If the cop shot at Michael and Michael then turned around and for some unknown reason charged toward the gun, would the cop have been following protocol in firing at him?

Did the cop empty his weapon because the punch to the eye, if it indeed happened, angered him? I’m pretty sure anger isn’t a valid reason to empty your weapon, but I’ve been wrong before.

It seems that the sequence of events had to follow a very specific path to give the cop justification.

I saw info on CNN this morning that under Missouri law, a fleeing susect can be shot if the officer thinks he is a danger to the community. Let’s see if Michael Brown’s size gets used to invoke that.

209 Kragar  Aug 19, 2014 11:44:28am
210 Lidane  Aug 19, 2014 11:44:43am

re: #205 FemNaziBitch

What were the Normans??

French.

211 ObserverArt  Aug 19, 2014 11:44:44am

Did the Ferguson PD chief ever work in Baghdad as an information minister for Saddam? His way of relating the events of Officer Wilson coming into contact with Michael Brown seems sort of familiar.

212 jaunte  Aug 19, 2014 11:45:56am

re: #205 FemNaziBitch

What were the Normans??

Vikings + Franks + Gauls mix.

213 Charles Johnson  Aug 19, 2014 11:46:07am

How bullshit is formed:

214 Decatur Deb  Aug 19, 2014 11:46:07am

re: #210 Lidane

French.

After being screwed by the Vikings a lot.

215 Lidane  Aug 19, 2014 11:46:27am

re: #211 ObserverArt

Did the Ferguson PD chief ever work in Baghdad as an information minister for Saddam? His way of relating the events of Officer Wilson coming into contact with Michael Brown seems sort of familiar.

216 lawhawk  Aug 19, 2014 11:46:28am

re: #203 KiTA

Not true. Witnesses do indicate that there was some kind of struggle at the vehicle before Brown ran with Wilson in pursuit (and firing). The witnesses differ from the police accounts in that Wilson was trying to pull Brown into the vehicle, Brown ran, and otherwise tried to surrender while being shot multiple times by Wilson.

217 KerFuFFler  Aug 19, 2014 11:47:11am

In fairness to the Lt Governor, I think he was referring to the basic legal ideas and institutions like trial by jury and innocent until proven guilty. American jurisprudence kept most of the features of the British system.

That said, he was tone deaf for not expressing it better———it really comes across as a dog whistle (foghorn). Maybe he was dumb enough to intend that…..

218 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 19, 2014 11:47:28am

As of now, the “eye socket” story is 100% moronshit crapped out by Jim Hoft, unless verified by a reliable news source which seems unlikely.

219 Aunty Entity Dragon  Aug 19, 2014 11:48:08am

re: #205 FemNaziBitch

What were the Normans??

Norse invaders that terrorized France for a bit then headed across the Channel. The Bayeux Tapestry on the the Battle of Hastings depicts Norse style sailing ships. Also, some disaffected Welsh Celts came along for the ride and to give legal cover to the Normans,..
My spouse is the 27th something great Granddaughter of King Edward the Longshanks and a direct line descendent of William the Conquerer (aka William the Bastard)

220 danarchy  Aug 19, 2014 11:48:21am

re: #203 KiTA

Lets not forget that it’s a moot point — the kid likely never even came near the officer to have a chance to hit him.

Most witness do agree there was contact in the police car, At the very least Darren Wilson grabbed Michael and tried to pull him towards the car window.

221 Aunty Entity Dragon  Aug 19, 2014 11:48:23am

re: #210 Lidane

French.

Actually Norse.

222 jaunte  Aug 19, 2014 11:48:27am

re: #213 Charles Johnson

I’m expecting there to be consequences to Byers if and when she returns from leave. While on leave from her paper, but under her Twitter account, given validity by her identification as a reporter for the St. Louis Post-Dispatch, she launched unsubstantiated information from police sources into the media. This story is all over the web now, citing her as a source, and potential jurors for a possible Darren Wilson trial now believe that there are a dozen witnesses who support Wilson’s story.
thepeoplesview.net

But probably not.

223 b.d.  Aug 19, 2014 11:49:28am
224 Targetpractice  Aug 19, 2014 11:50:30am

re: #208 Aunty Entity Dragon

I saw info on CNN this morning that under Missouri law, a fleeing susect can be shot if the officer thinks he is a danger to the community. Let’s see if Michael Brown’s size gets used to invoke that.

I rather get the feeling that the reason for the release of the “robbery” video, to portray Brown as a “danger” in order to justify the cop’s decision to fire at him.

225 Charles Johnson  Aug 19, 2014 11:51:00am

re: #218 Pie-onist Overlord

Hoft wrote that his source is in the St. Louis County district attorney’s office.

If that’s true, it’s even more disturbing that someone in the DA’s office is leaking information to a racist piece of shit like Hoft.

226 Aunty Entity Dragon  Aug 19, 2014 11:51:16am

re: #224 Targetpractice

I rather get the feeling that the reason for the release of the “robbery” video, to portray Brown as a “danger” in order to justify the cop’s decision to fire at him.

Yep.

227 Targetpractice  Aug 19, 2014 11:51:38am

re: #225 Charles Johnson

Hoft wrote that his source is in the St. Louis County district attorney’s office.

If that’s true, it’s even more disturbing that someone in the DA’s office is leaking information to a racist piece of shit like Hoft.

If it’s true, it certainly seems like their MO of late.

228 lawhawk  Aug 19, 2014 11:51:58am

re: #213 Charles Johnson

Law enforcement uses media outlets to seed their version of events. All papers have beat writers with contacts in law enforcement, and will run with those stories.

The key graf for the Byers tweets:

There it is.

As I suspected as soon as I read it, the implications of her tweet are not borne out by verifiable facts. My speculation: these dozen or so “witnesses” she was tipped off about by her police source are NOT EYEWITNESSES to the shooting. Rather, they are a dozen or more people who have all heard Darren Wilson’s version of the events, and all are therefore hearsay witnesses. all leading back to Wilson as the sole source.

Meanwhile, her uncorroborated, unverified claim is posted on multiple websites as fact, and Jake Tapper himself RTed her explosive claim into the Internet, presumably without performing any of the elementary fact-checking I have performed for this blog post.

There’s nothing to those “accounts” corroborating the Wilson version of events because they’re not witnesses to the event. They’re simply looking at whatever Wilson provided to investigators, and they’re simply agreeing with it.

This is journalistic malpractice, and Tapper’s hardly alone in this. Other outlets are giving the “Josie” version equal footing with known eyewitnesses who have a different (but consistent with each other witnesses, video, and physical evidence such as we are able to glean from video/autopsies, etc.).

229 Aunty Entity Dragon  Aug 19, 2014 11:52:35am

re: #225 Charles Johnson

Hoft wrote that his source is in the St. Louis County district attorney’s office.

If that’s true, it’s even more disturbing that someone in the DA’s office is leaking information to a racist piece of shit like Hoft.

Youtube Video

230 A Mom Anon  Aug 19, 2014 11:52:39am

re: #218 Pie-onist Overlord

My husband came home yesterday and said he heard that the cop had a broken wrist. I shot that down and showed him video of the cops right after the shooting, no one looked hurt at the time. A broken wrist hurts and swells up fast (I know from experience) so he figured out what bullshit that was fast. But it really doesn’t take much for this shit to make into the public mind as truth. A distinct downside to all the instant media we have at our disposal now. But then again, that instant media makes it easy to shoot the nonsense down, it’s just that not enough people are demanding that our supposed News Media do the same or better yet, not run their yaps til they have the whole story.

231 ObserverArt  Aug 19, 2014 11:53:04am

re: #215 Lidane

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Yes, that would be the guy I had in mind. I think the Ferguson Police department learned their public relations methods under him.

232 A Mom Anon  Aug 19, 2014 11:53:30am

re: #225 Charles Johnson

Maybe someone could call that office to confirm?…

233 Feline Fearless Leader  Aug 19, 2014 11:54:00am

re: #205 FemNaziBitch

What were the Normans??

French-speaking Viking descendents.

234 BeachDem  Aug 19, 2014 11:54:19am

re: #213 Charles Johnson

How bullshit is formed:

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And I would also like to add that in addition to her unsupported claim of 12 witnesses, she was also hot on the trail of this story:

When you can’t get the small stuff right, I am not going to trust you on the big stuff.

235 b_sharp  Aug 19, 2014 11:54:40am

re: #170 Backwoods_Sleuth

My grandmother would smack you so hard if she was still alive.
;)

What do I know? My maternal GPs were Brits from England and Scotland and my paternal GPs were from Germany and the Ukraine.

236 wrenchwench  Aug 19, 2014 11:54:43am

re: #225 Charles Johnson

Hoft wrote that his source is in the St. Louis County district attorney’s office.

If that’s true, it’s even more disturbing that someone in the DA’s office is leaking information to a racist piece of shit like Hoft.

Hoft is on his home turf. Who knows how rotten that turf might be. We see more every day.

237 KerFuFFler  Aug 19, 2014 11:54:48am

re: #205 FemNaziBitch

What were the Normans??

The Normans came later. Basically the Vikings from Denmark subjugated much of Northern France. Living in France, they picked up a lot of French cultural characteristics———language and Christianity. Thus when the Normans invaded “Angla Land” they introduced a lot of words with Latin word roots into the English language.

238 Aunty Entity Dragon  Aug 19, 2014 11:54:59am

re: #233 Feline Fearless Leader

French-speaking Viking descendents.

Yep.

239 jaunte  Aug 19, 2014 11:55:02am

St. Louis County prosecutor:

McCulloch’s father, brother, nephew and cousin all served with St. Louis police; his mother was a clerk there.

McCulloch was 12 when his father, St. Louis police officer Paul McCulloch, was shot and killed July 2, 1964, in a gun battle with a kidnapper in the 2100 block of Dickson Street at the former Pruitt-Igoe public-housing complex. Witnesses said Paul McCulloch had just rounded the corner responding to the call when he was shot in the head by a fleeing kidnapper, Eddie Glenn.stltoday.com

There’s a video at the top of this story that will want to auto-play.

240 Targetpractice  Aug 19, 2014 11:55:12am

re: #228 lawhawk

Law enforcement uses media outlets to seed their version of events. All papers have beat writers with contacts in law enforcement, and will run with those stories.

The key graf for the Byers tweets:

[Embedded content]

There’s nothing to those “accounts” corroborating the Wilson version of events because they’re not witnesses to the event. They’re simply looking at whatever Wilson provided to investigators, and they’re simply agreeing with it.

This is journalistic malpractice, and Tapper’s hardly alone in this. Other outlets are giving the “Josie” version equal footing with known eyewitnesses who have a different (but consistent with each other witnesses, video, and physical evidence such as we are able to glean from video/autopsies, etc.).

The excuse I’ve heard for the eyewitnesses agreeing on key points, at least according to wingnuts I’ve talked to, is that they’re repeating “rumors” and none actually were there. And, of course, Johnson can’t be believed as he’s an “accomplice” who would lie about anything to save his own ass.

241 danarchy  Aug 19, 2014 11:55:53am

re: #232 A Mom Anon

Maybe someone could call that office to confirm?…

Nobody would, they shouldn’t be releasing medical records because of HIPAA anyway.

242 lawhawk  Aug 19, 2014 11:55:59am

re: #240 Targetpractice

As opposed to a LEO who shot Brown and has every reason to lie to cover up an extrajudicial shooting.

243 Kragar  Aug 19, 2014 11:56:37am

This is some Grade-A bovine defecation

I’m a cop. If you don’t want to get hurt, don’t challenge me.

First he says:

here is the bottom line: if you don’t want to get shot, tased, pepper-sprayed, struck with a baton or thrown to the ground, just do what I tell you.

Then later says:

you don’t have to submit to an illegal stop or search. You can refuse consent to search your car or home if there’s no warrant (though a pat-down is still allowed if there is cause for suspicion). Always ask the officer whether you are under detention or are free to leave. Unless the officer has a legal basis to stop and search you, he or she must let you go.

244 lawhawk  Aug 19, 2014 11:57:07am
245 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 19, 2014 11:57:13am

I should be paying attention to all this Celtic/Anglo/Saxon/Viking/Norman stuff since my daughter married one and my granddaughter is 1/2 of one.

246 Aunty Entity Dragon  Aug 19, 2014 11:57:28am

re: #237 KerFuFFler

The Normans came later. Basically the Vikings in Denmark subjugated much of Northern France. Living in France, they picked up a lot of French cultural characteristics———language and Christianity. Thus when the Normans invaded “Angla Land” they introduced a lot of words with Latin word roots into the English language.

You can discern the older Anglo words we still have around: Cow, eat, shit…these monosyllable, short and very direct words are Angle leftovers.

247 A Mom Anon  Aug 19, 2014 11:58:07am

re: #241 danarchy

Yeah, but they could ask why someone released that info to a freaking blogger. See whether they confirm Hoft is a liar or really has a source. The idea being to place the doubt on Hoft instead.

248 wrenchwench  Aug 19, 2014 11:58:15am

re: #234 BeachDem

And I would also like to add that in addition to her unsupported claim of 12 witnesses, she was also hot on the trail of this story:

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When you can’t get the small stuff right, I am not going to trust you on the big stuff.

Ah, that’s where I’ve seen her before.

249 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 19, 2014 11:58:34am

re: #246 Aunty Entity Dragon

You can discern the older Anglo words we still have around: Cow, eat, shit…these monosyllable, short and very direct words are Angle leftovers.

Those are related to German: Kuh, eß, Scheiß

250 Kragar  Aug 19, 2014 11:59:25am

“You do what I tell you, or I’ll fuck you up, but you have the right to refuse me if you think its illegal, but I’ll fuck you up if you ask me the wrong way.”

251 Aunty Entity Dragon  Aug 19, 2014 11:59:32am

re: #249 Pie-onist Overlord

Those are related to German: Kuh, eß, Scheiß

Exactly.

252 wrenchwench  Aug 19, 2014 12:00:11pm

re: #239 jaunte

St. Louis County prosecutor:

There’s a video at the top of this story that will want to auto-play.

Nespo, nepo, what’s the word? NEPOTISM! Multigenerational nepotism.

253 jaunte  Aug 19, 2014 12:01:04pm

re: #250 Kragar

“That’s some catch, that Catch-22,” he observed.

254 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 19, 2014 12:01:45pm

re: #243 Kragar

This is some Grade-A bovine defecation

I’m a cop. If you don’t want to get hurt, don’t challenge me.

First he says:

Then later says:

you don’t have to submit to an illegal stop or search. You can refuse consent to search your car or home if there’s no warrant (though a pat-down is still allowed if there is cause for suspicion). Always ask the officer whether you are under detention or are free to leave. Unless the officer has a legal basis to stop and search you, he or she must let you go.

And then there are situations like allegro shared yesterday, where you feel so intimidated you don’t dare do anything other than submit.

255 Bulworth  Aug 19, 2014 12:02:17pm

Apparently they are registering voters in Ferguson and the Missouri GOP thinks that’s “disgusting”.

Behold, America, your GOP.

256 KerFuFFler  Aug 19, 2014 12:02:58pm

re: #246 Aunty Entity Dragon

You can discern the older Anglo words we still have around: Cow, eat, shit…these monosyllable, short and very direct words are Angle leftovers.

Yup, the Normans introduced high-highfalutin terms like defecate rather than monosyllabic terms like shit. Using the french derived vocabulary has been a class marker for centuries since that was the language of the elites for a long time.

257 FemNaziBitch  Aug 19, 2014 12:03:25pm

Another reason to smile today.

Just too cute, it’s a link to a Pages Post, you won’t regret it.

258 Targetpractice  Aug 19, 2014 12:03:53pm

re: #242 lawhawk

As opposed to a LEO who shot Brown and has every reason to lie to cover up an extrajudicial shooting.

And “Josie,” who is repeating hearsay she heard from said LEO’s girlfriend, who also was not a witness.

259 Franklin  Aug 19, 2014 12:04:27pm

Speaking of eye witnesses, reading this now:

What They Saw: 5 Eyewitnesses to the Michael Brown Shooting

260 FemNaziBitch  Aug 19, 2014 12:04:28pm

re: #214 Decatur Deb

After being screwed by the Vikings a lot.

HA! My Dear Ole’ Dad said that his family “came over with the Normans” to Wales.

What does that make me?

261 WhatEVs  Aug 19, 2014 12:05:03pm

re: #222 jaunte

But probably not.

Nope. Wingnut Welfare will kick in. She’ll wind up working for Loesch.

262 FemNaziBitch  Aug 19, 2014 12:05:14pm

re: #219 Aunty Entity Dragon

Norse invaders that terrorized France for a bit then headed across the Channel. The Bayeux Tapestry on the the Battle of Hastings depicts Norse style sailing ships. Also, some disaffected Welsh Celts came along for the ride and to give legal cover to the Normans,..
My spouse is the 27th something great Granddaughter of King Edward the Longshanks and a direct line descendent of William the Conquerer (aka William the Bastard)<

ooooh, can I touch you?

:0

263 FemNaziBitch  Aug 19, 2014 12:06:34pm

re: #224 Targetpractice

I rather get the feeling that the reason for the release of the “robbery” video, to portray Brown as a “danger” in order to justify the cop’s decision to fire at him.

Didn’t work for Marissa Alexander or other women who “felt” threatened. Did work for Zimmerman and maybe this cop in Ferguson.

Nice if it works for you, huh?

264 Schadenboner  Aug 19, 2014 12:07:01pm

re: #258 Targetpractice

And “Josie,” who is repeating hearsay she heard from said LEO’s girlfriend, who also was not a witness.

And has remained incognito and incommunicado throughout. “Confirming” a story that itself seems to be a moving target evolving narrative.

Putting aside the repellant and obvious ideological content of all this, this is just bad journalism, and that may be the most offensive thing of all.

Well, that and the murder of a young man. That’s decently offensive too.

265 FemNaziBitch  Aug 19, 2014 12:08:02pm

re: #245 Pie-onist Overlord

I should be paying attention to all this Celtic/Anglo/Saxon/Viking/Norman stuff since my daughter married one and my granddaughter is 1/2 of one.

One of what?

It’s all so confusing.

266 FemNaziBitch  Aug 19, 2014 12:08:46pm

re: #246 Aunty Entity Dragon

You can discern the older Anglo words we still have around: Cow, eat, shit…these monosyllable, short and very direct words are Angle leftovers.

“neighbor” is one of them.

I had to look it up once.

The neigh (near) burrough (house like structure)

267 Skip Intro  Aug 19, 2014 12:08:47pm

re: #244 lawhawk

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Ex-chief Mark Kessler has just returned from his trip to the future and describes what he saw at the funeral (excerpt):

Alveda king , is a racist piece of garbage,im so plesently glade to see Missouri state police captain RON JOHNSON speaking at the funeral of our strong arm thug of a robber , JOHNSON spoke like a true RACIEST ! Oh and While he was in FULL POLICE UNIFORM !!!!!!

You have to remember that this man was The Law in a tiny shithole in PA. Somebody thought he was the best candidate for the job.

So yeah, I’m a little worried about law enforcement in the US these days.

268 sagehen  Aug 19, 2014 12:09:36pm

re: #169 BeachDem

or when sounded like “a” as in neighbor or weigh.
Except:
neither leisurely foreigner seized the weird counterfeit heights

(amazing how some things stay with you 60 years later and you can’t remember what you had for dinner last night.)

Or if the word is weird.

269 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 19, 2014 12:09:36pm

re: #265 FemNaziBitch

One of what?

It’s all so confusing.

My son-in-law is Anglo-Saxon heritage so that makes my granddaughter half of a…WASJ?

270 Aunty Entity Dragon  Aug 19, 2014 12:10:01pm

re: #260 FemNaziBitch

HA! My Dear Ole’ Dad said that his family “came over with the Normans” to Wales.

What does that make me?

Just like my spouse: we don’t mention your disreputable forebearers at the local Scottish Highland Games… ;)

271 FemNaziBitch  Aug 19, 2014 12:10:37pm

re: #270 Aunty Entity Dragon

Just like my spouse: we don’t mention your disreputable forebearers at the local Scottish Highland Games… ;)

Welsh!!! not Scottish —so the legend goes …

272 jaunte  Aug 19, 2014 12:11:36pm

Race In America Discussion Panel

I think I see a problem.

273 KerFuFFler  Aug 19, 2014 12:11:38pm

re: #260 FemNaziBitch

HA! My Dear Ole’ Dad said that his family “came over with the Normans” to Wales.

What does that make me?

The descendant of those wascally invading viking hordes——-though that was so many centuries ago, you probably have a fair bit of Celtic Welshness too. (My great grandmother and her sister disagreed on their heritage——- the latter proudly maintained her Welsh heritage while my great grandmother always claimed to be of British extraction…..this after becoming American citizens.)

274 FemNaziBitch  Aug 19, 2014 12:11:41pm

275 Skip Intro  Aug 19, 2014 12:12:23pm

re: #272 jaunte

Race In America Discussion Panel

I think I see a problem.

Yeah, there are two women on the panel. WTH are they doing there?

276 jaunte  Aug 19, 2014 12:12:51pm

re: #275 Skip Intro

Crazy Fox radicals.

277 FemNaziBitch  Aug 19, 2014 12:13:00pm

re: #273 KerFuFFler

The descendant of those wascally invading viking hordes——-though that was so many centuries ago, you probably have a fair bit of Celtic Welshness too. (My great grandmother and her sister disagreed on their heritage——- the latter proudly maintained her Welsh heritage while my great grandmother always claimed to be of British extraction…..this after becoming American citizens.)

I just say “Northern European and Bavarian” The Bavarian has actually been researched and recorded, so I feel I can safely claim it. Although, I have no idea what the borders of Bavaria were 500 years ago …

278 FemNaziBitch  Aug 19, 2014 12:13:34pm

re: #272 jaunte

Race In America Discussion Panel

I think I see a problem.

Kim’s shoes don’t really match her outfit?

279 Decatur Deb  Aug 19, 2014 12:14:32pm

re: #260 FemNaziBitch

HA! My Dear Ole’ Dad said that his family “came over with the Normans” to Wales.

What does that make me?

House-Ceorl brat.

280 Skip Intro  Aug 19, 2014 12:14:43pm

re: #276 jaunte

Crazy Fox radicals.

I notice that the women all wear short skirts. Why don’t the men wear bunhuggers?

281 Aunty Entity Dragon  Aug 19, 2014 12:14:53pm

re: #262 FemNaziBitch

heh!

I have Irish and Scottish flags and stuff all over the house, but I put up an English Plantagenet Royalty flag (three lions proper…not rampant) for her.

Weird fact: women in her family all wear red roses at funerals, and never ever white roses. Her side of the family were probably with Lancaster and not with York during the Wars of the Roses.

282 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 19, 2014 12:15:52pm

Here’s the video:
Missouri Lt. Gov. Peter Kinder says ‘Anglo-American’ is working in Ferguson
Youtube Video

283 FemNaziBitch  Aug 19, 2014 12:16:03pm

re: #279 Decatur Deb

House-Ceorl brat.

I cannot even pronounce that.

284 FemNaziBitch  Aug 19, 2014 12:16:45pm

re: #280 Skip Intro

I notice that the women all wear short skirts. Why don’t the men wear bunhuggers?

Ever watch a cheap porn movie? —women are all smokin’ hot and the men complete nerds.

Yes, you have the formula for Fox News.

285 b.d.  Aug 19, 2014 12:16:58pm

THE AP STOLE OUR SCOOP AGAIN!!!!

286 Targetpractice  Aug 19, 2014 12:18:05pm

re: #259 Franklin

Speaking of eye witnesses, reading this now:

What They Saw: 5 Eyewitnesses to the Michael Brown Shooting

And you note that all agree on the same bit: Brown turned around to surrender to the officer. None say they saw multiple shots to Brown’s back, they say it looked like Brown was hit, because he came to a stop and put up his hands.

287 Lidane  Aug 19, 2014 12:18:05pm

re: #243 Kragar

This is some Grade-A bovine defecation

I’m a cop. If you don’t want to get hurt, don’t challenge me.

He sounds like the cops in Mexico. You can refuse to cooperate with them, but it will be easier for everyone involved if you just shut up and play along, paying bribes, shaking hands, etc.

288 GlutenFreeJesus  Aug 19, 2014 12:18:06pm

re: #203 KiTA

Lets not forget that it’s a moot point — the kid likely never even came near the officer to have a chance to hit him.

And his buddy cop shows no interest in hi sun-injured eye socket. Geeeee!

289 William Barnett-Lewis  Aug 19, 2014 12:18:06pm

Glad I saw this thread today. Calling out those scum is important, especially for those of us on the left working for Democratic Socialism.

I’m only surprised KT hasn’t come back long enough to label everyone there a communist or “radical leftist” and say the police aren’t hurting them enough.

290 KerFuFFler  Aug 19, 2014 12:19:12pm

re: #277 FemNaziBitch

I just say “Northern European and Bavarian” The Bavarian has actually been researched and recorded, so I feel I can safely claim it. Although, I have no idea what the borders of Bavaria were 500 years ago …

Well, that makes the two of us share pretty much the same heritage——Welsh, Anglo-Saxon and Bavarian. But I am also 1/128 Native American according to family lore! One time, a dentist asked me if I had Native American ancestry because my molars were shaped in a way that is vary rare otherwise——-so I feel like the lore is established. I really felt bad when Warren was smeared for alluding to her heritage.

291 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 19, 2014 12:19:40pm

THIS IS THE STUPIDEST MEME I HAVE SEEN ALL DAY

292 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 19, 2014 12:20:18pm

re: #279 Decatur Deb

House-Ceorl brat.

Ceorl=churl? (guessing)

293 wrenchwench  Aug 19, 2014 12:20:48pm

They got a little rain in Phoenix.

294 jaunte  Aug 19, 2014 12:21:20pm
295 urbanmeemaw  Aug 19, 2014 12:21:31pm

re: #272 jaunte

Maybe they’re talking about NASCAR.

296 Decatur Deb  Aug 19, 2014 12:21:58pm

re: #283 FemNaziBitch

I cannot even pronounce that.

“O before E except after C”.

Carl or ceorl at the time of the invasion was an Anglo minor nobleman/fighter who could be called to the king’s protection. It lost its meaning of nobility over time, becoming “churl”.

297 WhatEVs  Aug 19, 2014 12:22:00pm

re: #278 FemNaziBitch

Kim’s shoes don’t really match her outfit?

Waaaay too matchy-matchy.

298 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 19, 2014 12:22:03pm

I wonder what happened in April 2013 in MA to get people to not notice the “militarization” of the police.

It’s a mystery.
//

299 WhatEVs  Aug 19, 2014 12:23:19pm

re: #280 Skip Intro

I notice that the women all wear short skirts. Why don’t the men wear bunhuggers?

Or package huggers. Wait, I just looked at that pic again. (Shudder!) Nevermind.

300 FemNaziBitch  Aug 19, 2014 12:23:22pm

Feral Girl was in rare form last night. We take the dogs outside on a Flexi Leash as we do not have a fence. Each dog has a specific color Flexi, so I am less confused when they are all in my hand.

Yes, I can handle three Flexis in my hand at once.

FG stole HER Flexi and started to chew it before I caught her. I chastized her and gave her an appropriate chew toy. Rinse. Repeat.

She stole it a 3rd time and my son caught her. This time it was FUBAR.

Now, I wasn’t actually too displeased because she’s been pretty tame and such misbehavior is actually a sign she is transitioning into a civilized dog. I was also happy to know she is smart enough to have learned which Flexi is the one we use for her.

Then, the little gray cells started to light-up in my own head. She is pretty sensitive about her neck. Not knowing her history exactly, we make a point of not pulling too much on the leash etc.

So, I thought perhaps, she dislikes the leash because it hurts to have her collar pulled at all. Today I purchased a harness for her. We shall see how that works.

Dog to human communication is as difficult as Toddler to Adult communication.

301 EPR-radar  Aug 19, 2014 12:23:34pm

re: #293 wrenchwench

That may be the first news I’ve ever seen of the Maricopa sheriff department doing something useful. Usually Sheriff Joe Arpaio is the story, and it’s bad news.

302 Decatur Deb  Aug 19, 2014 12:23:48pm

re: #292 Pie-onist Overlord

Ceorl=churl? (guessing)

Yup, though it changed meaning. #296

303 WhatEVs  Aug 19, 2014 12:24:15pm

re: #284 FemNaziBitch

Ever watch a cheap porn movie? —women are all smokin’ hot and the men complete nerds.

Yes, you have the formula for Fox News.

Bob Beckel as Ron Jeremy. Coming to a screen near you.

304 FemNaziBitch  Aug 19, 2014 12:24:27pm

re: #292 Pie-onist Overlord

Ceorl=churl? (guessing)

Yeah. It’s like gaol.

(jail)

screws me up every time. My mouth just doesn’t know what to do to form the word.

305 William Barnett-Lewis  Aug 19, 2014 12:24:58pm

re: #271 FemNaziBitch

Welsh!!! not Scottish —so the legend goes …

Heh. Around 1200 or so, when the good Prince of Wales Llywelyn ap Iorwerth (aka “the Great”) slowly lost out to the English, the family name of some folks living along the marches went from “Llywellyn” to the English “Lewis”… can tell who the victors were in the long run, can’t you?

306 FemNaziBitch  Aug 19, 2014 12:25:36pm

re: #296 Decatur Deb

“O before E except after C”.

Carl or ceorl at the time of the invasion was an Anglo minor nobleman/fighter who could be called to the king’s protection. It lost its meaning of nobility over time, becoming “churl”.

Landowner who pays tribute to the local Don, basically …?

307 Lidane  Aug 19, 2014 12:25:43pm

Darren Wilson Allegedly Sends Texts to Friend: ‘I Can’t Go Out’

Boo fucking hoo. This is me playing the world’s smallest violin.

308 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 19, 2014 12:25:52pm

#FelineWorldProblems

309 jaunte  Aug 19, 2014 12:25:54pm

re: #304 FemNaziBitch

Jay-ol.

Just like they pronounce it in the south.

310 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 19, 2014 12:26:27pm

re: #307 Lidane

Darren Wilson Allegedly Sends Texts to Friend: ‘I Can’t Go Out’

Boo fucking hoo. This is me playing the world’s smallest violin.

THIS PROVES HIS FACE IS ALL BROKEN!!!!!!!

311 b_sharp  Aug 19, 2014 12:26:47pm

re: #284 FemNaziBitch

Ever watch a cheap porn movie? —women are all smokin’ hot and the men complete nerds.

Yes, you have the formula for Fox News.

No I only watch the expensive porn movies.

312 Varek Raith  Aug 19, 2014 12:26:58pm

re: #303 Joanne

MY MIND

313 WhatEVs  Aug 19, 2014 12:28:10pm

re: #312 Varek Raith

MY MIND

Inorite?!

(Sorry. :-) )

314 WhatEVs  Aug 19, 2014 12:29:43pm

Did I break the thread?

315 wrenchwench  Aug 19, 2014 12:30:43pm

re: #307 Lidane

Darren Wilson Allegedly Sends Texts to Friend: ‘I Can’t Go Out’

Boo fucking hoo. This is me playing the world’s smallest violin.

I just read that in the Daily Fail. Disgusting.

Shepard told MailOnline he thinks Wilson did the right thing according to his training. But he believes that the police in general should have better training to use non-lethal force before opening fire.

He said: ‘It’s sad for Mike Brown and his family. Darren could have just Tasered him and Mike would have spent six months in jail or something and maybe got his act together after that.

‘Darren could have gone on with his life too but now both of their lives are over. It sucks.

‘I’m sure Mike’s family is having a hard time but at least they have the support of the whole nation behind them, openly. Darren doesn’t get that’.

[…]

316 Dr. Matt  Aug 19, 2014 12:31:30pm

re: #307 Lidane

Darren Wilson Allegedly Sends Texts to Friend: ‘I Can’t Go Out’

Neither can Michael Brown….ever again.

317 ObserverArt  Aug 19, 2014 12:31:33pm

re: #272 jaunte

Race In America Discussion Panel

I think I see a problem.

FOX just can’t help themselves can they?

I guess having an African American just would slant things too much.

That would be too much away from what their blockheaded viewers want to believe. FOX viewer: “We are not racist, and to prove it, we don’t even need one of ‘them’ around to talk honestly about race.”

318 GlutenFreeJesus  Aug 19, 2014 12:31:46pm
319 Skip Intro  Aug 19, 2014 12:32:57pm

re: #315 wrenchwench

And what about that busted eye socket? That must hurt like hell, but trooper like he is Wilson doesn’t even mention it.

What a guy.

320 FemNaziBitch  Aug 19, 2014 12:33:16pm

I’ve never been to bible study (Roman Catholic). Can anyone help me out here.

321 Decatur Deb  Aug 19, 2014 12:33:41pm

re: #314 Joanne

Did I break the thread?

No. It sent me off to read the Dooms of King Ine. Anglo-Saxon noblemen were some litigious mofos.

322 BeachDem  Aug 19, 2014 12:33:41pm

re: #307 Lidane

Darren Wilson Allegedly Sends Texts to Friend: ‘I Can’t Go Out’

Boo fucking hoo. This is me playing the world’s smallest violin.

From that story, Darren’s friend sounds like a real genius(bold mine):

“It’s sad for Mike Brown and his family; Darren could have just Tasered him and Mike would have spent six months in jail or something and maybe got his act together after that,” Shepard told the Daily Mail. “Darren could have gone on with his life too but now both of their lives are over. It sucks. I’m sure Mike’s family is having a hard time but at least they have the support of the whole nation behind them, openly. Darren doesn’t get that.”

Yeah, Mike’s family has the support of the whole nation (excepting the majority of the Republicans) BUT THEIR KID IS DEAD, you moron.

323 b.d.  Aug 19, 2014 12:33:59pm

re: #307 Lidane

Darren Wilson Allegedly Sends Texts to Friend: ‘I Can’t Go Out’

Boo fucking hoo. This is me playing the world’s smallest violin.

Shepard said that Wilson had round-the-clock law enforcement protection, and was still in the greater St. Louis area.

324 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 19, 2014 12:34:27pm

re: #300 FemNaziBitch

326 dog philosopher  Aug 19, 2014 12:35:04pm

notorious Revolutionary Communist

a case of malicious glomming if i ever seed one

327 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 19, 2014 12:35:27pm

re: #320 FemNaziBitch

I’ve never been to bible study (Roman Catholic). Can anyone help me out here.

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Somebody is studying the Bible like anti-Semites study The Talmud and Islamophobes study The Quran

328 wrenchwench  Aug 19, 2014 12:35:51pm

re: #322 BeachDem

From that story, Darren’s friend sounds like a real genius(bold mine):

“It’s sad for Mike Brown and his family; Darren could have just Tasered him and Mike would have spent six months in jail or something and maybe got his act together after that,” Shepard told the Daily Mail. “Darren could have gone on with his life too but now both of their lives are over. It sucks. I’m sure Mike’s family is having a hard time but at least they have the support of the whole nation behind them, openly. Darren doesn’t get that.”

Yeah, Mike’s family has the support of the whole nation (excepting the majority of the Republicans) BUT THEIR KID IS DEAD, you moron.

And he was going to spend SIX MONTHS IN JAIL FOR JAYWALKING and then ‘get his life back together’ after a jaywalking conviction. Sofaking dumb.

329 WhatEVs  Aug 19, 2014 12:36:36pm

re: #321 Decatur Deb

No. It sent me off to read the Dooms of King Ine. Anglo-Saxon noblemen were some litigious mofos.

That sounds like good brain bleach. :-)

330 OhNoZombies!  Aug 19, 2014 12:37:04pm

This Anglo-Saxon stuff really bugs the shit out of me…
I wasn’t going to say anything, but here it goes:
During the past year, I’ve done an extensive search on my family history. To make a really long story short, I’ve traced the bulk of my heritage to England and Wales, with just a sprinkle of African for flavor. I even have place and family names and connections.

But I don’t get to claim the European ones, only the poor,nameless African women who were kidnapped and brutalized. Of course when I do that, I’m a racist and hate America…

Some of my ancestors were among the first settlers in Virginia.
I, however, having brown skin and all, am not considered a true American, by some, even though my ancestors were here before, there was an America, and fought for America, in every conflict we’ve had as a country…

You know what? Fuckit. I need more coffee.

331 Lidane  Aug 19, 2014 12:37:35pm

The comments for that Mediaite story about Darren Wilson allegedly texting his friend are filled with RWNJ morans breathlessly talking about ZOMG TEH OFFICER’S BROKEN EYEBALL. They’re treating Dim Hoft like he’s not completely full of shit.

332 Targetpractice  Aug 19, 2014 12:37:49pm

re: #328 wrenchwench

And he was going to spend SIX MONTHS IN JAIL FOR JAYWALKING and then ‘get his life back together’ after a jaywalking conviction. Sofaking dumb.

They’d have gotten him on “assaulting a police officer” and “resisting arrest” even though Wilson initiated the altercation, causing him to piss away his college fund defending himself in court.

333 TedStriker  Aug 19, 2014 12:38:07pm

re: #196 Skip Intro

Hannity debates like Limbaugh debates: on the phone, with a call screener and a kill button.

And a seven-second delay.

334 wrenchwench  Aug 19, 2014 12:38:35pm

re: #330 OhNoZombies!

This Anglo-Saxon stuff really bugs the shit out of me…
I wasn’t going to say anything, but here it goes:
During the past year, I’ve done an extensive search on my family history. To make a really long story short, I’ve traced the bulk of my heritage to England and Wales, with just a sprinkle of African for flavor. I even have place and family names and connections.

But I don’t get to claim the European ones, only the poor,nameless African women who were kidnapped and brutalized. Of course when I do that, I’m a racist and hate America…

Some of my ancestors were among the first settlers in Virginia.
I, however, having brown skin and all, am not considered a true American, by some, even though my ancestors were here before, there was an America, and fought for America, in every conflict we’ve had as a country…

You know what? Fuckit. I need more coffee.

{{{ONZ}}}

I’m headed for a refill myself.

335 Skip Intro  Aug 19, 2014 12:40:52pm

re: #333 TedStriker

And a seven-second delay.

Yeah, and I left out the caller mute button so the host can “debate” without any interference from the person being “debated”.

336 klys  Aug 19, 2014 12:42:09pm

re: #328 wrenchwench

Huh, so the Darren Wilson I found references to regarding hockey is the right one.

I know where he went to college, then.

337 dog philosopher  Aug 19, 2014 12:42:23pm

iffen he said ‘common law’ instead of bringing the anglo into it, it wouldn’t have got all clouded up with race issues

339 klys  Aug 19, 2014 12:43:36pm

re: #336 klys

Huh, so the Darren Wilson I found references to regarding hockey is the right one.

I know where he went to college, then.

Or, you know, I could finish reading the article and see where it has the info for that too.

I’m going to go drink more caffeine and keep working.

340 ObserverArt  Aug 19, 2014 12:44:01pm

re: #330 OhNoZombies!

This Anglo-Saxon stuff really bugs the shit out of me…
I wasn’t going to say anything, but here it goes:
During the past year, I’ve done an extensive search on my family history. To make a really long story short, I’ve traced the bulk of my heritage to England and Wales, with just a sprinkle of African for flavor. I even have place and family names and connections.

But I don’t get to claim the European ones, only the poor,nameless African women who were kidnapped and brutalized. Of course when I do that, I’m a racist and hate America…

Some of my ancestors were among the first settlers in Virginia.
I, however, having brown skin and all, am not considered a true American, by some, even though my ancestors were here before, there was an America, and fought for America, in every conflict we’ve had as a country…

You know what? Fuckit. I need more coffee.

But you ARE a citizen of the world. And that is just fine with me!

: )

341 Testy Toad T  Aug 19, 2014 12:45:11pm

re: #337 dog philosopher

iffen he said ‘common law’ instead of bringing the anglo into it, it wouldn’t have got all clouded up with race issues

Or he could just say, I dunno, “civilized society” or something.

I don’t think the French settle legal matters in the street, either.

342 b_sharp  Aug 19, 2014 12:45:19pm

Fuckit. We’re all Heinz 57s.

Piples is piples.

343 FemNaziBitch  Aug 19, 2014 12:46:04pm
Wags 4 Warriors is a Non-Profit based in Northeast Ohio. W4W was founded by Frank DeLorenzo (OIF Veteran) and Jen DeLorenzo. The organization was started to help service men and women that have been affected by their combat experience.

More at Wags $ Warriors.

cute pics.

344 TedStriker  Aug 19, 2014 12:47:09pm

re: #328 wrenchwench

And he was going to spend SIX MONTHS IN JAIL FOR JAYWALKING and then ‘get his life back together’ after a jaywalking conviction. Sofaking dumb.

Let me quote myself from almost a week ago, which itself was a paraphrase of Richard Crenna’s dressdown of Brian Dennehy in First Blood:

re: #297 TedStriker

“Executed for jaywalking”.

That ought to look real good on the tombstone.

345 KerFuFFler  Aug 19, 2014 12:47:29pm

re: #337 dog philosopher

iffen he said ‘common law’ instead of bringing the anglo into it, it wouldn’t have got all clouded up with race issues

You said it much better than I did…..

346 Dr. Matt  Aug 19, 2014 12:48:06pm
347 OhNoZombies!  Aug 19, 2014 12:49:09pm

re: #330 OhNoZombies!

LGF is the only place I feel comfortable enough to say any of this.
It means a lot.

348 lawhawk  Aug 19, 2014 12:50:33pm

Gawker has a whole bunch more about the RCP, and Greg Johnson, one of the RCP members. Turns out that he’s the Johnson in the Texas v. Johnson case affirming the 1st Amendment right to burn the American flag. Did not know that.

And it doesn’t excuse their intent to cause riots and more violence to a community already suffering.

349 Aunty Entity Dragon  Aug 19, 2014 12:50:58pm

re: #330 OhNoZombies!

This Anglo-Saxon stuff really bugs the shit out of me…
I wasn’t going to say anything, but here it goes:
During the past year, I’ve done an extensive search on my family history. To make a really long story short, I’ve traced the bulk of my heritage to England and Wales, with just a sprinkle of African for flavor. I even have place and family names and connections.

But I don’t get to claim the European ones, only the poor,nameless African women who were kidnapped and brutalized. Of course when I do that, I’m a racist and hate America…

Some of my ancestors were among the first settlers in Virginia.
I, however, having brown skin and all, am not considered a true American, by some, even though my ancestors were here before, there was an America, and fought for America, in every conflict we’ve had as a country…

You know what? Fuckit. I need more coffee.

Violence against women was the universal constant of the slave trade (both Islamic and Christian) in the 16th and 17th centuries.

A friend of mine with the last name of Mozingo found recently her first ancestor in America was an African slave who married a white woman in Virgina in the late 1600’s. By the time of the Revolution, Mozingo family members were all listed as white in county census records.

However, African slave women and Catholic Irish slave women (often kidnapped during Cromwell’s administration) were subject to repeated rape, forced breeding programs and vile conditions that are unimaginable today. African slave women raped by white masters, and Irish slave women (often nuns forced from cloisters by anti-Catholic forces) raped by pretty much anybody, including other slaves.

Horrible, horrible stuff.

There are several documented accounts of young Gaelic speaking “black” children in Barbados in the 1700’s meeting Irish sailers for the first time and remarking that “white Irishmen” sure looked funny, since they considered themselves to be Irish. Rightfully so, I think.

350 iossarian  Aug 19, 2014 12:51:07pm

re: #346 Dr. Matt

Indicted Texas Governor Rick Perry to turn himself in to authorities

Warm up your photoshop applications.

Perp walk or GTFO.

351 TedStriker  Aug 19, 2014 12:52:12pm

re: #346 Dr. Matt

Indicted Texas Governor Rick Perry to turn himself in to authorities

Ahh, just seeing that in print after all that’s been going on with Ferguson this week is like seeing a rainbow during a summer storm.

352 Bulworth  Aug 19, 2014 12:52:29pm

re:
#322

Well I wonder why he didn’t taser Brown, if Brown was charging him?

353 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Aug 19, 2014 12:53:24pm

Fucking commies.

354 Lidane  Aug 19, 2014 12:54:19pm

re: #351 TedStriker

Ahh, just seeing that in print after all that’s been going on with Ferguson this week is like seeing a rainbow during a summer storm.

There’s a bar here in Austin that puts celebrity mug shots all over their walls. I’m already looking forward to seeing Rick Perry’s get a prominent place. Haha.

355 Charles Johnson  Aug 19, 2014 12:54:29pm

Look who just popped up.

356 Bulworth  Aug 19, 2014 12:54:36pm

re:
#331

Never, ever read the comments, ever.

357 Aunty Entity Dragon  Aug 19, 2014 12:54:40pm

Pain getting too much. See You guys later.

358 FemNaziBitch  Aug 19, 2014 12:55:01pm

re: #347 OhNoZombies!

LGF is the only place I feel comfortable enough to say any of this.
It means a lot.

(((((OhNoZombies!)))))

359 Charles Johnson  Aug 19, 2014 12:55:22pm
360 FemNaziBitch  Aug 19, 2014 12:55:55pm

re: #349 Aunty Entity Dragon

Violence against women was the universal constant of the slave trade (both Islamic and Christian) in the 16th and 17th centuries.

A friend of mine with the last name of Mozingo found recently her first ancestor in America was an African slave who married a white woman in Virgina in the late 1600’s. By the time of the Revolution, Mozingo family members were all listed as white in county census records.

However, African slave women and Catholic Irish slave women (often kidnapped during Cromwell’s administration) were subject to repeated rape, forced breeding programs and vile conditions that are unimaginable today. African slave women raped by white masters, and Irish slave women (often nuns forced from cloisters by anti-Catholic forces) raped by pretty much anybody, including other slaves.

Horrible, horrible stuff.

There are several documented accounts of young Gaelic speaking “black” children in Barbados in the 1700’s meeting Irish sailers for the first time and remarking that “white Irishmen” sure looked funny, since they considered themselves to be Irish. Rightfully so, I think.

A slave woman who was a virgin is a myth.

361 FemNaziBitch  Aug 19, 2014 12:56:26pm

re: #357 Aunty Entity Dragon

Pain getting too much. See You guys later.

(((((Aunty En)))))

362 Bulworth  Aug 19, 2014 12:56:35pm

re:
#359

The Communist Revolution guy? The ALL CAPS is convincing. //

363 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Aug 19, 2014 12:57:11pm

re: #204 FemNaziBitch

Ok, so, you know I really love Feral Girl.

Isn’t she cute?????

Super cute :)

364 Dr. Matt  Aug 19, 2014 12:58:02pm

Do I get a toaster or something?

365 Charles Johnson  Aug 19, 2014 12:58:51pm
366 wrenchwench  Aug 19, 2014 12:59:21pm

re: #359 Charles Johnson

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And when Travis Morales says FIGHT THE POWER, he’s including Antonio French.

367 Aunty Entity Dragon  Aug 19, 2014 1:00:17pm

re: #360 FemNaziBitch

A slave woman who was a virgin is a myth.

Cloistered nuns and priests were both sold to the sugarcane fields, along with numerous other persons who just happened to be at the wrong place when the slavers were around (including children as young as 10). The population of Ireland dropped by more than 50% in only ten years at the close of the 17th century.

368 Kragar  Aug 19, 2014 1:00:28pm

re: #365 Charles Johnson

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369 lawhawk  Aug 19, 2014 1:00:37pm

re: #364 Dr. Matt

Yeah, you get to go on a beer run for the folks who have 130k+ karma.

370 WhatEVs  Aug 19, 2014 1:01:14pm

re: #357 Aunty Entity Dragon

Pain getting too much. See You guys later.

Feel better!!

371 ausador  Aug 19, 2014 1:01:31pm
372 FemNaziBitch  Aug 19, 2014 1:01:44pm

re: #321 Decatur Deb

No. It sent me off to read the Dooms of King Ine. Anglo-Saxon noblemen were some litigious mofos.

The title “Doom book”(originally “dom-boc” or “dom-boke”) comes from dōm (pronounced “dome”) which is the Anglo-Saxon word meaning “judgment” or “law” — for instance, see Alfred’s admonishment: Doom very evenly! Do not doom one doom to the rich; another to the poor! Nor doom one doom to your friend; another to your foe![1] The following reflects Mosaic Law: “You shall do no injustice in judgment! You shall not be partial to the poor; nor defer to the great! But you are to judge your neighbour fairly!” (Leviticus 19:15).

So, doom is not necessarily a bad thing . . .

373 wrenchwench  Aug 19, 2014 1:02:33pm

re: #369 lawhawk

Yeah, you get to go on a beer run for the folks who have 130k+ karma.

soon………

374 Dr. Matt  Aug 19, 2014 1:03:08pm

re: #369 lawhawk

Yeah, you get to go on a beer run for the folks who have 130k+ karma.

Ha!

….and you’re only 8 updings away from 130K.

375 Bulworth  Aug 19, 2014 1:03:25pm

re:
#369

Damn. Can’t ever catch a break around here. //

376 FemNaziBitch  Aug 19, 2014 1:03:39pm

re: #353 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

Fucking commies.

Are they Illinois Commies?

377 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Aug 19, 2014 1:03:42pm

That said -

After communists, most of all I hate anti-communists. - Sergei Dovlatov

378 Decatur Deb  Aug 19, 2014 1:05:15pm

re: #372 FemNaziBitch

So, doom is not necessarily a bad thing …

Yup. The Ines dooms were apparently focused on establishing the monetary pecking order for the zillion shades of nobles’ worth, much of it translated into different levels of fines for crossing each other.

379 FemNaziBitch  Aug 19, 2014 1:05:18pm

re: #376 FemNaziBitch

Are they Illinois Commies?

I think you should get me a Starbucks Venti Mocha.

380 wrenchwench  Aug 19, 2014 1:06:05pm

re: #377 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

That said -

After communists, most of all I hate anti-communists. - Sergei Dovlatov

Huh. I haven’t seen this one:

The Invisible Book (Невидимая книга) — Аnn Arbor: Ardis, 1977

/

381 makeitstop  Aug 19, 2014 1:06:54pm

Question regarding the Byers tweet - what is FMLA? I figured the last two stand for ‘leave of absence’ - what does the FM stand for?

382 lawhawk  Aug 19, 2014 1:07:05pm

re: #374 Dr. Matt

Ha!

….and you’re only 8 updings away from 130K.

How’d that happen? /

383 FemNaziBitch  Aug 19, 2014 1:07:05pm

re: #378 Decatur Deb

Yup. The Ines dooms were apparently focused on establishing the monetary pecking order for the zillion shades of worth, much of it translated into different levels of fines for crossing each other.

Kinda like the word shame. WE think of it as being a very negative emotion —yet IIRC it originally meant “to look at oneself”.

Like doom, we are conditioned to assume the worst of ourselves.

384 wrenchwench  Aug 19, 2014 1:07:43pm

re: #381 makeitstop

Question regarding the Byers tweet - what is FMLA? I figured the last two stand for ‘leave of absence’ - what does the FM stand for?

I figure the m is for maternity.

385 Dr. Matt  Aug 19, 2014 1:08:11pm

re: #382 lawhawk

How’d that happen? /

Someone keeps down-dinging you so you stay under 130k?

386 nines09  Aug 19, 2014 1:08:26pm

re: #243 Kragar

I see the problem. I met cops like him. Got slapped around by cops like him. He’s what gives cops bad names. He’s not a cop, he’s a dick.

387 TedStriker  Aug 19, 2014 1:08:59pm

re: #381 makeitstop

Question regarding the Byers tweet - what is FMLA? I figured the last two stand for ‘leave of absence’ - what does the FM stand for?

FMLA: Family & Medical Leave Act

388 GlutenFreeJesus  Aug 19, 2014 1:09:01pm

re: #383 FemNaziBitch

Kinda like the word shame. WE think of it as being a very negative emotion —yet IIRC it originally meant “to look at oneself”.

Like doom, we are conditioned to assume the worst of ourselves.

389 WhatEVs  Aug 19, 2014 1:09:06pm

re: #381 makeitstop

Question regarding the Byers tweet - what is FMLA? I figured the last two stand for ‘leave of absence’ - what does the FM stand for?

Family Medical Leave Act.

390 Charles Johnson  Aug 19, 2014 1:10:02pm
391 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 19, 2014 1:10:25pm

re: #365 Charles Johnson

[Embedded content]

watch out, he’s a farce to be reckoned with (what with his massive twitter following and all)…
heh

392 wrenchwench  Aug 19, 2014 1:10:48pm

re: #389 Joanne

Family Medical Leave Act.

Dammit.

393 WhatEVs  Aug 19, 2014 1:11:09pm

re: #390 Charles Johnson

[Embedded content]

Uhm…wut?

394 Charles Johnson  Aug 19, 2014 1:11:25pm
395 FemNaziBitch  Aug 19, 2014 1:12:28pm

re: #394 Charles Johnson

[Embedded content]

Are they Illinois Communists?

(a meme that just won’t leave my head)

396 b.d.  Aug 19, 2014 1:12:51pm

So The Intercept’s reporter got thrown in the hoosegow and the only story that The Intercept has written about Ferguson is how their reporter got thrown in the hoosegow.

The Intercept, quality non-reporting and non-writing since 2013.

397 wrenchwench  Aug 19, 2014 1:13:07pm

re: #390 Charles Johnson

[Embedded content]

It even has a finger-pointing child as a background image. Could it be self-aware?

398 WhatEVs  Aug 19, 2014 1:13:46pm

re: #392 wrenchwench

Dammit.

Close. :-D

399 wrenchwench  Aug 19, 2014 1:14:05pm

re: #396 b.d.

So The Intercept’s reporter got thrown in the hoosegow and the only story that The Intercept has written about Ferguson is how their reporter got thrown in the hoosegow.

The Intercept, quality non-reporting and non-writing since 2013.

“Let’s go to Jeffrey to hear how this affects the Dudebro Community…”

400 Bulworth  Aug 19, 2014 1:15:22pm

re:
#396

OK, but the hoosegow is a pretty rough place.

I hate the hoosegow.

/

401 Dark_Falcon  Aug 19, 2014 1:16:07pm

re: #394 Charles Johnson

[Embedded content]

Drive-by post after linking in from Slate:

That’s the same as it’s always been. You’ve always been firmly anti-totalitarian and by being so you annoy all the best-worst people.

BBT

402 FemNaziBitch  Aug 19, 2014 1:17:58pm

re: #400 Bulworth

re:
#396

OK, but the hoosegow is a pretty rough place.

I hate the hoosegow.

/

is it like a gaol?

403 b.d.  Aug 19, 2014 1:18:38pm

re: #399 wrenchwench

“Let’s go to Jeffrey to hear how this affects the Dudebro Community…”

WE’RE HERE IN FERGUSON TO ASK THE RANDOM CITIZEN ON THE STREET IF THEY ARE SATISFIED WITH FISA COURT OVERSIGHT OF THE NSA’s METADATA COLLECTION POLICIES

404 Lidane  Aug 19, 2014 1:18:50pm

That sound you hear is a bunch of RWNJs getting their ZOMG AGENDA 21 derp on:

Racial violence in Ferguson reminiscent of apartheid, UN rights chief says

“I condemn the excessive use of force by the police and call for the right of protest to be respected. The United States is a freedom-loving country and one thing they should cherish is people’s right to protest,” Pillay said in a wide-ranging interview in her office along Lake Geneva.

“Apart from that, let me say that coming from apartheid South Africa I have long experience of how racism and racial discrimination breeds conflict and violence,” she said.

“These scenes are familiar to me and privately I was thinking that there are many parts of the United States where apartheid is flourishing.”

Noting that African-Americans are often among the poorest and most vulnerable U.S. citizens, and accounted for many of the inmates in the country’s teeming prisons, she added: “Apartheid is also where law turns a blind eye to racism.”

405 makeitstop  Aug 19, 2014 1:19:30pm

re: #384 wrenchwench

re: #387 TedStriker

re: #389 Joanne

Thanks to the whole lot of ya!

406 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 19, 2014 1:19:31pm

re: #400 Bulworth

re:
#396

OK, but the hoosegow is a pretty rough place.

I hate the hoosegow.

/

goosehow is more fun

407 Archangelus  Aug 19, 2014 1:19:44pm

re: #383 FemNaziBitch

Kinda like the word shame. WE think of it as being a very negative emotion —yet IIRC it originally meant “to look at oneself”.

Like doom, we are conditioned to assume the worst of ourselves.

Youtube Video

408 Feline Fearless Leader  Aug 19, 2014 1:20:07pm

re: #388 GlutenFreeJesus

[Embedded image]

We fear Morgo because he would bring justice. And justice is what we are afraid of.

409 FemNaziBitch  Aug 19, 2014 1:20:26pm

BBL

410 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Aug 19, 2014 1:21:57pm

re: #330 OhNoZombies!

This Anglo-Saxon stuff really bugs the shit out of me…

It has gone unchallenged in the political discourse and become so mainstreamed, rationalized and justified that the Lt. Gov saw nothing controversial about it at all.

411 Randall Gross  Aug 19, 2014 1:25:46pm

Meanwhile some media are trying to counter the “most of the violence caused by outsiders” claim by pointing out that 53 of the arrested people are from nearby towns and St. Louis metro area. Metro area people don’t live day in day out with the Ferguson PD and their tactics however, so they really are outsiders when it comes to the 8 actual Ferguson residents arrested.

412 Archangelus  Aug 19, 2014 1:27:12pm

...

413 Archangelus  Aug 19, 2014 1:27:32pm

Let the countdown to the nth “”“”“ceasefire”“”“” begin anew…
/IndustrialGradeSarcExpressedAsARocketExplodesOverhead

414 whitebeach  Aug 19, 2014 2:03:40pm

A maybe slightly Ferguson-relevant point about terminology. Where did this “bum rush” thingie come from? A couple of kinky Brit possibilities come to mind, but as far as I know, in America it’s always been “bum’s rush” and always referred to something like throwing an unruly or unwelcome patron out of a venue such as a bar. The action of violently charging at another person, on the other hand, has long been described as a “bull rush,” as in a linebacker’s approach to a quarterback setting up to pass. So whence “bum rush,” and why do all the cop-supportive claims surrounding Wilson seem to echo this phrase?

415 Varek Raith  Aug 19, 2014 2:06:50pm

re: #365 Charles Johnson

[Embedded content]

SHE CAN’T HANDLE THAT KIND OF POWer captain!

dammit. you broke it!

416 Jay in Oregon  Aug 19, 2014 3:22:48pm

re: #3 b.d.

I would almost—ALMOST—pay to see VVP write an op-ed decrying the violence against the citizens of Ferguson by the police. Just to see how many heads explode as a result.

417 De Kolta Chair  Aug 19, 2014 4:42:51pm

Your move (after countless hours of internal debate), Workers World Party.


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