Oh No! The Communists Are Mad at Me

Maoist numbskulls don’t like me, and I am bereft
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RCP numbskull Travis Morales being arrested in Ferguson, wearing his REVOLUTION T-shirt

Following up on my post about the cultish Revolutionary Communist Party and their violent incitement in Ferguson, Missouri, one of the operatives identified in my post, Travis Morales, took time out from his busy schedule of stoking violent revolution to set his caps lock key on STUN and tweet these Palinesque word salad rants at me last night:

Maoists are kinda cute when they’re angry, don’t you think? Well, actually, not that cute, not when they do things like this, labeling Antonio French, one of the most active black community leaders, a “supreme bootlicker” because he didn’t put up with their crazy bullshit:

Another one of the RCP cultists let me know that I’m a McCarthyite COINTELPRO tool of The System! I think that’s bad.

And now they’ve posted a classy communist rant at their strange website, vowing to continue stoking violence and promoting themselves by any means necessary: Statement From the Revolutionary Communist Party, USA on the Arrests of Carl Dix, Travis Morales and Joey Johnson.

On Monday night, August 19, Missouri police singled out and arrested RCP members and supporters Carl Dix, Travis Morales and Joey Johnson, along with 75 other people during the course of that night. While some of the people defended them, the “peace police” community leaders worked with the police to get them arrested. Joey Johnson was blindsided and punched in the face by St. Louis politician Antonio French. Police Captain Ron Johnson, head of the operation, personally fingered Carl and Joey to get additional, higher charges. Carl and Travis were held overnight, and then released. Joey was also released that same day.

Their sole “crime” was attempting to read the RCP’s statement “To the Defiant Ones” to a crowd that had gathered. The politicians and news mouthpieces justify their arrests and call them agitators. Well, since when is “agitating”—which means nothing but speaking and bringing out sharply the facts of injustice—since when is it some kind of horrible crime to speak the truth about what this system does to people, and why people should stand up and fight against it? In fact, we need MORE agitation like this. As the great fighter against slavery Frederick Douglass said, power concedes nothing without a struggle. Maybe these people think Frederick Douglass was a “criminal”—in any case, they are definitely acting like modern-day overseers!

[blah blah blah…]

What all these politicians and tools for the rulers really fear is the fact: one, that people who have been demonized and cast off and consigned to an early grave or a life in prison are raising their heads and standing up, directing their anger where it needs to go; and two, that the people who are doing this, along with many others, are finding out about the Party and its leader Bob Avakian—the leadership that represents their highest interests and aspirations, and that actually has the strategy to LEAD a struggle to make revolution.

We will not back down. We will not go away.

HANDS OFF CARL DIX AND OTHER REVOLUTIONARY FIGHTERS!
STOP THE REPRESSION OF THE BRAVE FIGHTERS IN FERGUSON!

These are very bad people with very bad motives, and they have a terrible reputation among liberal community organizers for showing up at protests and doing their best to incite violence, then going home and watching themselves on TV. In short, these people suck.

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380 comments
1 thedopefishlives  Aug 20, 2014 6:06:56pm

Aww, poor Charles. Are your widdle feewings hurt?

2 HappyWarrior  Aug 20, 2014 6:07:03pm

They’re going after Antonio French? Really stay classy assholes. Communists, the lefty version of the RWNJs since the Menshivik-Bolshevik split.

3 Targetpractice  Aug 20, 2014 6:07:27pm

We’ve pissed off the communists?! However can we bear the shame of this? Guess we’ve no choice but to commit sudoku.

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4 HappyWarrior  Aug 20, 2014 6:07:52pm

But really these people remind me of my cousin who wants this tragedy to turn into a nationwide riot. There’s lots of legitimate concerns with police and policing but mass violence like these assholes want will only make things worse.

5 HappyWarrior  Aug 20, 2014 6:08:33pm

re: #3 Targetpractice

We’ve pissed off the communists?! However can we bear the shame of this? Guess we’ve no choice but to commit sudoku.

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Charles is doing something right if he’s got a bunch of commies and RWNJs pissed off.

6 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 20, 2014 6:08:35pm

They’re like Westboro and Code Pink rolled into one ball of bugfuck crazy

7 thedopefishlives  Aug 20, 2014 6:09:17pm

re: #5 HappyWarrior

Charles is doing something right if he’s got a bunch of commies and RWNJs pissed off.

They seem to be a bad bunch to piss off, but honestly, I think I’d rather that than have them like me.

8 b.d.  Aug 20, 2014 6:09:29pm

You show me Lenin’s Tomb and I’ll show you a communist plot

9 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 20, 2014 6:09:51pm

Speaking of Code Pink they were MIA in Ferguson, unless totes adorbs “Holocaust” granny was their rep.

10 lawhawk  Aug 20, 2014 6:10:24pm

They suck. Wannabe Communists suck.

That’s more attention than they deserve.

In other news, I’m wondering if the Highway Patrol will take action against all the other cops who brandished their weapons, pointed them directly at protesters, and engaged in unprofessional conduct.

Will they take action against the St. Louis County police officers who were pointing sniper rifles at peaceful protesters? Will they take action against the commanders of the tactical units that allowed this to occur?

It’s a long overdue cleanup of the law enforcement response to the shooting.

11 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 20, 2014 6:10:30pm

SEE THE INCOHERENT VIOLENCE!!11!!

12 William Barnett-Lewis  Aug 20, 2014 6:10:53pm

Back in 2011 I told KT that I knew LGF was hardly becoming “radically leftist” because we didn’t have Maoists and Trotskites arguing here. The Maoists, above, are acting true to form. All that’s missing are the Stalinists arguing with them…

Those with a vision of democracy, socialism & justice are hated by them Charles. You are in good company when hated by evil.

13 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 20, 2014 6:11:25pm

My favorite thing on Monday night was seeing Antonio French knock Joey to the pavement.

14 abolitionist  Aug 20, 2014 6:12:02pm

I find it strange that 78 arrests were reported for that night, with all but 3 being just for “failure to disperse”. Didn’t see any explicit mention of arrests of that truckload of RPC anarchists, among those 78.

15 b.d.  Aug 20, 2014 6:12:05pm
But if you go carrying pictures of Chairman Mao
You ain’t going to make it with anyone anyhow —-

Lennon, John / McCartney, Paul.

16 Lidane  Aug 20, 2014 6:12:24pm

My standing response to the RCP dipshits:

17 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 20, 2014 6:12:50pm

re: #12 William Barnett-Lewis

Back in 2011 I told KT that I knew LGF was hardly becoming “radically leftist” because we didn’t have Maoists and Trotskites arguing here. The Maoists, above, are acting true to form. All that’s missing are the Stalinists arguing with them…

Those with a vision of democracy, socialism & justice are hated by them Charles. You are in good company when hated by evil.

Well we did have a Stalinist in here, but he got the jackboot of Stinky on his ass.

18 OhNoZombies!  Aug 20, 2014 6:13:18pm

They’re going to get someone killed.

19 HappyWarrior  Aug 20, 2014 6:13:34pm

re: #12 William Barnett-Lewis

Back in 2011 I told KT that I knew LGF was hardly becoming “radically leftist” because we didn’t have Maoists and Trotskites arguing here. The Maoists, above, are acting true to form. All that’s missing are the Stalinists arguing with them…

Those with a vision of democracy, socialism & justice are hated by them Charles. You are in good company when hated by evil.

Not to poke around but did KT get TOed or something? Haven’t seen him around. But yeah I would agree with your 2011 thoughts having seen and known many far lefties.

20 Belafon  Aug 20, 2014 6:14:01pm

re: #4 HappyWarrior

I’m not going to claim to be a super student of history, but from what I remember you can successfully use violence only when it matches what you opponent is willing to use. Use non-violent actions when your opponent has no moral standing, but significantly more power. And, in the history of relations between blacks and whites here, whites have way more power.

21 HappyWarrior  Aug 20, 2014 6:14:02pm

re: #17 Pie-onist Overlord

Well we did have a Stalinist in here, but he got the jackboot of Stinky on his ass.

Ah yes Destro or whatever right. That guy stank.

22 Lidane  Aug 20, 2014 6:14:30pm

re: #5 HappyWarrior

Charles is doing something right if he’s got a bunch of commies and RWNJs pissed off.

Clowns to the left me, jokers to the right….

23 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 20, 2014 6:14:40pm

re: #21 HappyWarrior

Ah yes Destro or whatever right. That guy stank.

Totes an asshole

24 Charles Johnson  Aug 20, 2014 6:14:54pm

For some reason the mainstream media seem completely uninterested in naming and shaming these assholes.

25 thedopefishlives  Aug 20, 2014 6:15:01pm

re: #22 Lidane

Clowns to the left me, jokers to the right….

I’d say that should be the LGF theme song, but there’s so many other better choices out there.

26 HappyWarrior  Aug 20, 2014 6:15:12pm

re: #22 Lidane

Clowns to the left me, jokers to the right….

Stuck in the middle with you.

27 Sherlock Hound  Aug 20, 2014 6:15:29pm

I’m remembering the Communist morons who gave me many hours of entertainment in Harvard Square most weekends.

One poster campaign I remember: “IT’S RIGHT TO REBEL! RACISTS, RAMBO-AMERICANS, RULERS OF AMERICA: IT’S ALL GOING TO FALL ON YOU!”

Good times, well, not so much now.

28 Targetpractice  Aug 20, 2014 6:15:43pm

re: #19 HappyWarrior

Not to poke around but did KT get TOed or something? Haven’t seen him around. But yeah I would agree with your 2011 thoughts having seen and known many far lefties.

He threw a hissy fit and stomped out, but he’s not officially been shown the door.

29 HappyWarrior  Aug 20, 2014 6:15:45pm

re: #23 Pie-onist Overlord

Totes an asshole

Big time. The Stalin apologia eww.

30 HappyWarrior  Aug 20, 2014 6:16:18pm

re: #28 Targetpractice

He threw a hissy fit and stomped out, but he’s not officially been shown the door.

Ahh okay. Was wondering why I hadn’t seen him around.

31 Belafon  Aug 20, 2014 6:16:41pm

re: #16 Lidane

1) According to stories, Pratt was messing around on set and did that scene, and the director decided to include it in the movie.
2) The scene would have been funnier in the movie if the glass had actually blurred his finger, like they did in the image/commercial.

32 lawhawk  Aug 20, 2014 6:17:29pm
33 HappyWarrior  Aug 20, 2014 6:17:58pm

All I know is even though I was staunchly anti-Iraq War, I totally sided with Hitchens in his debate with George Galloway.

34 Kragar  Aug 20, 2014 6:18:13pm
35 William Barnett-Lewis  Aug 20, 2014 6:18:28pm

re: #30 HappyWarrior

Ahh okay. Was wondering why I hadn’t seen him around.

People here weren’t willing to support his favorite racist radio host in his “free speech” absolutism. Though he’d have not been happy the past week anyway as he’s doubtless cheering the cops every time they violate someones civil rights.

36 TedStriker  Aug 20, 2014 6:18:34pm

re: #13 Backwoods_Sleuth

My favorite thing on Monday night was seeing Antonio French knock Joey to the pavement.

It would’ve been even better if French had knocked the motherfucker cold out.

37 Charles Johnson  Aug 20, 2014 6:19:17pm

re: #23 Pie-onist Overlord

Totes an asshole

Yeah, that was one creep I wish I’d given the boot much sooner. He was pretty crafty, though - kept the Stalinist insanity hidden for quite a while.

38 HappyWarrior  Aug 20, 2014 6:21:08pm

re: #35 William Barnett-Lewis

People here weren’t willing to support his favorite racist radio host in his “free speech” absolutism. Though he’d have not been happy the past week anyway as he’s doubtless cheering the cops every time they violate someones civil rights.

Ah it was the Anthony Curia thing that made him go. I don’t have anything against him personally but I found his contrarian for the sake of being contrarian act annoying.

39 HappyWarrior  Aug 20, 2014 6:21:39pm

re: #37 Charles Johnson

Yeah, that was one creep I wish I’d given the boot much sooner. He was pretty crafty, though - kept the Stalinist insanity hidden for quite a while.

Big time Putin apologist too as I recall. Oh that weird marriage of wingnutty right and wingnutty left.

40 Lidane  Aug 20, 2014 6:22:43pm

re: #25 thedopefishlives

I’d say that should be the LGF theme song, but there’s so many other better choices out there.

I’m sure there’s a Zappa song that applies, but I don’t know his music all that well.

41 Charles Johnson  Aug 20, 2014 6:22:46pm

re: #39 HappyWarrior

The last straw for me was when he tried to deny Stalin’s pogroms and mass murders. No. Just no.

42 stpaulbear  Aug 20, 2014 6:22:55pm

re: #32 lawhawk

She knows that, though she walks through the valley of death, that she shall fear not because white makes right.

43 thedopefishlives  Aug 20, 2014 6:23:35pm

re: #41 Charles Johnson

The last straw for me was when he tried to deny Stalin’s pogroms and mass murders. No. Just no.

I think I remember that exchange. Un-freakin-real, that was.

44 HappyWarrior  Aug 20, 2014 6:24:00pm

re: #41 Charles Johnson

The last straw for me was when he tried to deny Stalin’s pogroms and mass murders. No. Just no.

Yeah no kidding. That’s serious Weapons grade insanity right there. Even the biggest left wing nut job I know isn’t a Stalin apologist.

45 dog philosopher  Aug 20, 2014 6:24:01pm

I Have Appointed Myself The Leader!

why you no follow me???

46 psddluva4evah  Aug 20, 2014 6:25:19pm

re: #32 lawhawk

you know that the people who sent that woman knew exactly what they would get. If that ain’t a classic case of agitating.

I dont’ recall the Ferguson protest, doing the same

47 Mattand  Aug 20, 2014 6:25:58pm

Just read the RCP tweets. Jesus, are these people are for real?

48 Charles Johnson  Aug 20, 2014 6:26:11pm
49 TedStriker  Aug 20, 2014 6:26:16pm

re: #24 Charles Johnson

For some reason the mainstream media seem completely uninterested in naming and shaming these assholes.

It’s quite simple: the RCP thugs give the scene in Ferguson “texture” for the media types to get pics and vids of, especialy when they throw stuff at the cops and get shit started.

IOW, “if it bleeds, it leads”.

50 bratwurst  Aug 20, 2014 6:27:47pm

re: #38 HappyWarrior

Ah it was the Anthony Curia thing that made him go. I don’t have anything against him personally but I found his contrarian for the sake of being contrarian act annoying.

After a couple of weeks it was annoying.

After a couple of YEARS it was more than annoying.

51 CuriousLurker  Aug 20, 2014 6:27:59pm

Darn you people!

So Destro’s problem was that he was a Stalinist? I had no clue, I thought he was just an asshole troll. Can someone please give me a brief description of the difference between a Maoist, Stalinist, Marxist, etc? I don’ think I’ve ever met one (except for Destro) and I’m too lazy to look it up right now…

52 thedopefishlives  Aug 20, 2014 6:32:44pm

re: #51 CuriousLurker

Darn you people!

So Destro’s problem was that he was a Stalinist? I had no clue, I thought he was just an asshole troll. Can someone give me a brief description of the difference between a Maoist, Stalinist, Marxist, etc? I don’ think I’ve ever met one (except for Destro) and I’m too lazy to look it up right now…

The main difference is which historical figure they choose to worship, hence the names (Maoist - the late Chairman Mao of China; Stalinist - the infamous tyrant Josef Stalin; Marxist - the “founder of communism” Karl Marx).

53 Charles Johnson  Aug 20, 2014 6:33:03pm

TRANSFORM THE PEOPLE, FOR REVOLUT!

FIGHT THE POWE!

BY ANY MEANS NECESSAR!

54 klys  Aug 20, 2014 6:33:16pm

My favorite geyser webcam is down just for me. It works for the rest of the Internet, apparently.

This makes me far more cranky than it should.

55 teleskiguy  Aug 20, 2014 6:33:31pm
56 The War TARDIS  Aug 20, 2014 6:33:55pm

Maoist are the ones persecuting the Uyghurs and Tibetans, among others.

57 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 20, 2014 6:34:29pm

re: #51 CuriousLurker

Darn you people!

So Destro’s problem was that he was a Stalinist? I had no clue, I thought he was just an asshole troll. Can someone give me a brief description of the difference between a Maoist, Stalinist, Marxist, etc? I don’ think I’ve ever met one (except for Destro) and I’m too lazy to look it up right now…

He was a fucking asshole who would say anything just for attentions & to crap all over everyone else. I don’t know if he actually was a Stalinist or just played one on The Internet for Teh Lulz.

58 Kragar  Aug 20, 2014 6:35:12pm

re: #53 Charles Johnson

BA IS FULL OF SHI!

59 CuriousLurker  Aug 20, 2014 6:35:33pm

re: #52 thedopefishlives

The main difference is which historical figure they choose to worship, hence the names (Maoist - the late Chairman Mao of China; Stalinist - the infamous tyrant Josef Stalin; Marxist - the “founder of communism” Karl Marx).

Thanks. Yeah, I figured that much, but I don’t really know a lot about communism or the details of most of those guys’ actions or ideologies. I do know they were responsible for the deaths of millions though.

60 Charles Johnson  Aug 20, 2014 6:36:04pm
61 dog philosopher  Aug 20, 2014 6:36:59pm

re: #51 CuriousLurker

Darn you people!

So Destro’s problem was that he was a Stalinist? I had no clue, I thought he was just an asshole troll. Can someone please give me a brief description of the difference between a Maoist, Stalinist, Marxist, etc? I don’ think I’ve ever met one (except for Destro) and I’m too lazy to look it up right now…

the difference between being a stalinist and a trotskyite is that a stalinist follows the true inheritor of socialism and hates trotskyites worse even than capitalists, whereas trotskyites follow the true inheritor of socialism and hate stalinists even worse than capitalists

maoists, on the other hand, follow the true inheritor of socialism, and despise stalinists and trotskyites even worse than capitalists

62 HappyWarrior  Aug 20, 2014 6:37:14pm

Maoists were also more willing to use the peasantry for their revolution too. I guess this is what interests me about the various isms is not the differences between communism, capitalism, fascism, etc but the differences that happen within these movements. Like I guess you could say I’m interested in the subtle differences between Franco’s more clerical fascism, Mussolini’s state based fascism, and Hitler’s racial fascism.

63 William Barnett-Lewis  Aug 20, 2014 6:37:19pm

re: #51 CuriousLurker

Darn you people!

So Destro’s problem was that he was a Stalinist? I had no clue, I thought he was just an asshole troll. Can someone give me a brief description of the difference between a Maoist, Stalinist, Marxist, etc? I don’ think I’ve ever met one (except for Destro) and I’m too lazy to look it up right now…

Bit of snark mixed in, but some useful comments here:
ask.metafilter.com

64 b.d.  Aug 20, 2014 6:37:31pm

re: #53 Charles Johnson

TRANSFORM THE PEOPLE, FOR REVOLUT!

FIGHT THE POWE!

BY ANY MEANS NECESSAR!

ABOVE ALL, MAKE SURE YOU FOLLOW THROUG

65 thedopefishlives  Aug 20, 2014 6:37:36pm

re: #59 CuriousLurker

Thanks. Yeah, I figured that much, but I don’t really know a lot about communism or the details of most of those guys’ actions or ideologies. I do know they were responsible for the deaths of millions though.

That’s basically it, it’s a matter of personal preference as to whose crimes they’re trying to whitewash. When it comes to actual communist ideology, there really isn’t much to it, and the differences between these “branches” of communism are superficial at best. Possibly having to do with what kinds of policies best enact the ideals of communism.

66 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 20, 2014 6:37:43pm

Derpola virus still spreading, Derpes pandemic is out of control

67 HappyWarrior  Aug 20, 2014 6:38:49pm

re: #66 Pie-onist Overlord

Derpola virus still spreading, Derpes pandemic is out of control

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I’m still not seeing that as reason to fire multiple bullets. But then I’m not Eddie Muenster Ben.

68 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 20, 2014 6:39:39pm

Oh Jesus I looked at the comments on Breitbart, now I have to flush my eyes out with battery acid.

69 thedopefishlives  Aug 20, 2014 6:40:09pm

re: #68 Pie-onist Overlord

Oh Jesus I looked at the comments on Breitbart, now I have to flush my eyes out with battery acid.

Brain bleach not cutting it anymore?

70 The War TARDIS  Aug 20, 2014 6:40:21pm

OT, but does anyone have Kerbal?

71 Jenner7  Aug 20, 2014 6:40:36pm

re: #60 Charles Johnson

I’m trying to wrap my head around people who will believe an unnamed, unconfirmed source, but not the several witnesses who have come forward who all have a similar version of events.

72 thedopefishlives  Aug 20, 2014 6:40:45pm

re: #70 The War TARDIS

OT, but does anyone have Kerbal?

Nope, I’m an Orbiter guy.

73 CuriousLurker  Aug 20, 2014 6:41:00pm

re: #57 Pie-onist Overlord

He was a fucking asshole who would say anything just for attentions & to crap all over everyone else. I don’t know if he actually was a Stalinist or just played one on The Internet for Teh Lulz.

My eyes tend to glaze over when people start with the agitprop—makes them sound like angsty college kids. I also can’t stand corporate-speak. Ugh.

74 wrenchwench  Aug 20, 2014 6:41:20pm

Later, lizards.

75 William Barnett-Lewis  Aug 20, 2014 6:41:34pm

re: #62 HappyWarrior

Maoists were also more willing to use the peasantry for their revolution too. I guess this is what interests me about the various isms is not the differences between communism, capitalism, fascism, etc but the differences that happen within these movements. Like I guess you could say I’m interested in the subtle differences between Franco’s more clerical fascism, Mussolini’s state based fascism, and Hitler’s racial fascism.

I have read that Mao never actually read Marx and only used the language of communism because he liked Stalin’s absolutism. Plus he favored the whole “socialism in one country” thing since it’s easier to keep your own under control than if they’re off getting corrupted while attempting to spread “revolution”. The ultimate distillation of both Stalin & Mao is the North Korean Juche which is best translated as “putting Korea in the form of the Kim dynasty first”.

76 CuriousLurker  Aug 20, 2014 6:42:38pm

re: #61 dog philosopher

the difference between being a stalinist and a trotskyite is that a stalinist follows the true inheritor of socialism and hates trotskyites worse even than capitalists, whereas trotskyites follow the true inheritor of socialism and hate stalinists even worse than capitalists

maoists, on the other hand, follow the true inheritor of socialism, and despise stalinists and trotskyites even worse than capitalists

LOL, thanks!

77 Lidane  Aug 20, 2014 6:43:14pm

re: #74 wrenchwench

78 dholmes32  Aug 20, 2014 6:43:29pm

re: #6 Pie-onist Overlord

I was describing the RCP to someone at work today, failed, and finally went with “The Westboro Baptist Church of Communism.”

By the way, thanks to Charles for spotlighting this cult of personality and exposing these rabble rousers to more scrutiny. The last thing Ferguson (or pretty much anywhere else) needs is Bob Avakian’s Cult of Personality.

79 HappyWarrior  Aug 20, 2014 6:43:32pm

re: #75 William Barnett-Lewis

I have read that Mao never actually read Marx and only used the language of communism because he liked Stalin’s absolutism. Plus he favored the whole “socialism in one country” thing since it’s easier to keep your own under control than if they’re off getting corrupted while attempting to spread “revolution”. The ultimate distillation of both Stalin & Mao is the North Korean Juche which is best translated as “putting Korea in the form of the Kim dynasty first”.

I had never heard that honestly. Agree with your assessment of Kimism.

80 CuriousLurker  Aug 20, 2014 6:44:09pm

re: #65 thedopefishlives

That’s basically it, it’s a matter of personal preference as to whose crimes they’re trying to whitewash. When it comes to actual communist ideology, there really isn’t much to it, and the differences between these “branches” of communism are superficial at best. Possibly having to do with what kinds of policies best enact the ideals of communism.

Got it. Thanks!

81 William Barnett-Lewis  Aug 20, 2014 6:44:28pm

re: #24 Charles Johnson

For some reason the mainstream media seem completely uninterested in naming and shaming these assholes.

It’s awfully easy to get McCarthy comparisons going even if you really are talking about real communists. And then others will take and blame everything on them anyway… :(

82 Targetpractice  Aug 20, 2014 6:45:24pm

re: #60 Charles Johnson

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It’s like a program where the variables are locked in. No matter how many times you point out that witnesses say Brown turned around after the first 1-2 shots missed/winged him, they remain convinced that the only shots fired are those that hit him.

83 CuriousLurker  Aug 20, 2014 6:45:25pm

re: #63 William Barnett-Lewis

Bit of snark mixed in, but some useful comments here:
ask.metafilter.com

Thanks. ;-)

84 HappyWarrior  Aug 20, 2014 6:45:48pm

Are these guys ANSWER connected by chance?

85 TedStriker  Aug 20, 2014 6:45:58pm

re: #35 William Barnett-Lewis

People here weren’t willing to support his favorite racist radio host in his “free speech” absolutism. Though he’d have not been happy the past week anyway as he’s doubtless cheering the cops every time they violate someones civil rights.

KT when he hears of another protester (no matter the cause) getting beat down or maced:

(damn, I’m getting some real mileage out of this pic…)

86 Charles Johnson  Aug 20, 2014 6:47:02pm

Just blocked a crazed antisemite’s attempt to register a third sock puppet.

87 Kragar  Aug 20, 2014 6:47:45pm

re: #66 Pie-onist Overlord

Derpola virus still spreading, Derpes pandemic is out of control

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88 Charles Johnson  Aug 20, 2014 6:48:04pm

Antisemites, Maoists, Teabaggers, white supremacists, can I get a witness!

89 HappyWarrior  Aug 20, 2014 6:48:31pm

re: #88 Charles Johnson

Antisemites, Maoists, Teabaggers, white supremacists, can I get a witness!

God what’s next? Hoxhaists?

90 Kragar  Aug 20, 2014 6:49:22pm
91 Targetpractice  Aug 20, 2014 6:49:28pm

In fact, I’m pretty convinced that wingnuts will not allow themselves to entertain the possibility that Brown was fired on without provocation. He had to have done something, whether it was “bum rushed” Wilson or just started walking towards him, that got him killed. Some reason to absolve Wilson of any guilt.

92 De Kolta Chair  Aug 20, 2014 6:49:33pm

Obviously, some people still don’t think Stalin’s infamous Rainbow Unicorn Show Trials were such a big deal.

93 Lidane  Aug 20, 2014 6:49:58pm
94 Targetpractice  Aug 20, 2014 6:50:24pm

re: #88 Charles Johnson

Antisemites, Maoists, Teabaggers, white supremacists, can I get a witness!

You’re a rather popular fellow for somebody who’s “irrelevant.”

95 jamesfirecat  Aug 20, 2014 6:51:06pm

re: #3 Targetpractice

We’ve pissed off the communists?! However can we bear the shame of this? Guess we’ve no choice but to commit sudoku.

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Seppuku is Japanese ritual suicide.
Sudoku is a newspaper puzzle.

Just felt the need to be clear.

96 thedopefishlives  Aug 20, 2014 6:51:20pm

re: #92 De Kolta Chair

Obviously, some people still don’t think Stalin’s infamous Rainbow Unicorn Show Trials were such a big deal.

Stalin’s reign of terror was more murderous than that of his rival, Adolf Hitler, and yet people still speak of him in glowing terms and try to whitewash his heinous crimes against humanity. I can’t even comprehend the level of confirmation bias that requires.

97 Targetpractice  Aug 20, 2014 6:52:38pm

re: #95 jamesfirecat

Seppuku is Japanese ritual suicide.
Sudoku is a newspaper puzzle.

Just felt the need to be clear.

98 andres  Aug 20, 2014 6:52:43pm

re: #95 jamesfirecat

Seppuku is Japanese ritual suicide.
Sudoku is a newspaper puzzle.

Just felt the need to be clear.

It feels almost the same, with all those numbers and math.

//-semi :P

99 Rightwingconspirator  Aug 20, 2014 6:54:53pm

re: #65 thedopefishlives

Seems a sub specialty from within the proctology field of study.

100 teleskiguy  Aug 20, 2014 6:55:21pm

Canadian drug kingpin? Those exist?!?

101 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 20, 2014 6:57:05pm

re: #100 teleskiguy

Canadian drug kingpin? Those exist?!?

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Toronto Mayor has to get his stuff somewhere.

102 ObserverArt  Aug 20, 2014 6:57:36pm

Running out of gas…and too much outside derp-a-tude to take as I’ve reached the daily allotted limit. Later all.

Oh yeah, I figure Kilgore will show up again. Just a feeling. Maybe after all this protestin’ is over.

103 teleskiguy  Aug 20, 2014 6:57:43pm

BREAKING!!! Wingnut gives away the game.

104 Targetpractice  Aug 20, 2014 6:59:12pm

Why can’t it be Saturday already? I’ve been waiting patiently since last December, but now it’s starting to get to me.

105 De Kolta Chair  Aug 20, 2014 6:59:58pm

re: #97 Targetpractice

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I love, love crosswords, the more difficult the better. British-style cryptics are my obsession. But I’ve never been able to complete an easy sudoku puzzle.

106 bratwurst  Aug 20, 2014 7:02:05pm

Totally and utterly off topic…but my sister took my 8-year old niece to see Katy Perry last night. Care to guess what time Ms. Perry took the stage? 9:25! I just think it is totally unconscionable to present a show for a largely pre-teen audience on a school night that is not going to allow many people to get to bed much before midnight.

Call me an old geezer if you will, but I barely want to go to any kind of show where the act I am interested in is going on after 9 myself!

107 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 20, 2014 7:02:50pm

re: #100 teleskiguy

Canadian drug kingpin? Those exist?!?

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Of course! Who do you think is responsible for all that gun crime in northern Minnesota?

108 HappyWarrior  Aug 20, 2014 7:03:41pm

re: #107 Pie-onist Overlord

Of course! Who do you think is responsible for all that gun crime in northern Minnesota?

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Real life is a Coen Bros flick!

109 Gus  Aug 20, 2014 7:04:35pm
110 Kid A  Aug 20, 2014 7:04:47pm

Insanity running with the eye socket fracture story right now.

111 HappyWarrior  Aug 20, 2014 7:04:56pm

re: #106 bratwurst

Totally and utterly off topic…but my sister took my 8-year old niece to see Katy Perry last night. Care to guess what time Ms. Perry took the stage? 9:25! I just think it is totally unconscionable to present a show for a largely pre-teen audience on a school night that is not going to allow many people to get to bed much before midnight.

Call me an old geezer if you will, but I barely want to go to any kind of show where the act I am interested in is going on after 9 myself!

I don’t know. Is it a school night in most of the country? We always started the day after Labor Day here.

112 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 20, 2014 7:05:49pm

HURR HURR BOMBSHELL!!!!!!

113 Gus  Aug 20, 2014 7:05:57pm
114 HappyWarrior  Aug 20, 2014 7:06:13pm

re: #112 Pie-onist Overlord

HURR HURR BOMBSHELL!!!!!!

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He’s got some nerve.

115 b.d.  Aug 20, 2014 7:07:54pm

re: #112 Pie-onist Overlord

HURR HURR BOMBSHELL!!!!!!

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Who is Chucks Bottles?

116 bratwurst  Aug 20, 2014 7:08:23pm

re: #111 HappyWarrior

I don’t know. Is it a school night in most of the country? We always started the day after Labor Day here.

It certainly was for every child who attends public school in that particular city, yes.

117 HappyWarrior  Aug 20, 2014 7:08:54pm

re: #116 bratwurst

It certainly was for every child who attends public school in that particular city, yes.

Yeah poor planning on their part.

118 teleskiguy  Aug 20, 2014 7:09:28pm
119 De Kolta Chair  Aug 20, 2014 7:10:11pm

re: #60 Charles Johnson

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Chicago News Bench is just a repository of advertising links disguised as a rarely updated blog. Some lefty anti-capitalist that guy is.

120 Lidane  Aug 20, 2014 7:10:26pm

re: #113 Gus

Open Carry Texas calling for an armed response by white people in 3…2…1…

121 psddluva4evah  Aug 20, 2014 7:10:40pm

re: #113 Gus

that’s the “open carry” counter group that DPD was following the whole time. I don’t recall them following the white open carry people.

the real tale would be told though if they had walked around North Dallas, South Dallas is majority Black and Hispanic

122 Gus  Aug 20, 2014 7:10:56pm

re: #120 Lidane

Open Carry Texas calling for an armed response by white people in 3…2…1…

123 William Barnett-Lewis  Aug 20, 2014 7:11:11pm

re: #113 Gus

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They should be carrying M1 Carbines ;)

Huey Newton

Malcom X

124 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 20, 2014 7:11:31pm

I watched the video, there is NO ATTACK SHOWN just Fucks News reporter & Megyn Kelley saying “supporters of Officer Williams[sic!] had to be hustled into police cars for their own safety” & the Fucks News reporter spewing talking points for #tcot about “intolerance of other viewpoints” and “telling the other side”
See the whole WTF thing:
Youtube Video

125 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 20, 2014 7:12:13pm

re: #115 b.d.

Who is Chucks Bottles?

That must be the Fucks News reporter on the scene, reading #tcot Tweets on camera.

126 psddluva4evah  Aug 20, 2014 7:12:14pm

re: #122 Gus

yeah, right and yet they were still following “monitoring” them the whole time

127 HappyWarrior  Aug 20, 2014 7:12:57pm

People who call support the police’s crackdown on the protest have no righto accuse anyone of wanting to stiffle dissent but then again we’re talking about a network that referred to a friendly fist bump between our president and his wife as a “terrorist fistbump.” Gotta distort.

128 teleskiguy  Aug 20, 2014 7:13:46pm
129 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 20, 2014 7:13:46pm
130 William Barnett-Lewis  Aug 20, 2014 7:14:02pm

re: #126 psddluva4evah

yeah, right and yet they were still following “monitoring” them the whole time

Never forget that open carry was only banned in CA when black men (see the picture of Huey Newton above) started exercising their rights and Governor Ronnie was all too happy to sign that law as a result.

131 Kid A  Aug 20, 2014 7:14:12pm

re: #123 William Barnett-Lewis

Was always more partial to KRS-ONE myself.

132 William Barnett-Lewis  Aug 20, 2014 7:15:44pm

re: #131 Kid A

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I like the M1 Carbine personally, so…

Probably why I have one being paid off at the LGS… :LOL:

133 klys  Aug 20, 2014 7:16:29pm

Oh boy, I got downdinged by the hatchling too. Hooray!

134 Charles Johnson  Aug 20, 2014 7:16:59pm
135 Kid A  Aug 20, 2014 7:17:13pm

GOLF COURSE!!! GOLF COURSE!!! GOLF COURSE!!!

136 Charles Johnson  Aug 20, 2014 7:17:40pm
137 Kid A  Aug 20, 2014 7:17:57pm

re: #134 Charles Johnson

Cops deny leaking it to Dim Jim. I swear he’s making it up.

138 EPR-radar  Aug 20, 2014 7:18:04pm

re: #95 jamesfirecat

Seppuku is Japanese ritual suicide.
Sudoku is a newspaper puzzle.

Just felt the need to be clear.

Sometimes there is convergence, such as an especially fiendish sudoku.

139 HappyWarrior  Aug 20, 2014 7:18:35pm

re: #136 Charles Johnson

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Oooh dumb white traitor. Tell me conservatives, how are you different from white supremacists?

140 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 20, 2014 7:19:19pm

re: #136 Charles Johnson

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Gonna need a new sheet of paper for all your new titles.

141 jaunte  Aug 20, 2014 7:19:45pm

“Race-mixer” should be coming up next.

142 OhNoZombies!  Aug 20, 2014 7:20:17pm

re: #136 Charles Johnson

And there it is.
But of course this isn’t about race…

143 Kid A  Aug 20, 2014 7:20:21pm

Cheney: “Obama is the weakest President of my lifetime.”
Sorry, putz. That was the idiot you served with. Fuck you.

144 Charles Johnson  Aug 20, 2014 7:20:54pm
145 teleskiguy  Aug 20, 2014 7:21:03pm

re: #136 Charles Johnson

He seems nice.

146 Gus  Aug 20, 2014 7:21:04pm
147 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 20, 2014 7:22:02pm

re: #136 Charles Johnson

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148 De Kolta Chair  Aug 20, 2014 7:22:04pm

re: #136 Charles Johnson

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Is there such a creature as a smart white traitor?

149 HappyWarrior  Aug 20, 2014 7:22:18pm

re: #143 Kid A

Cheney: “Obama is the weakest President of my lifetime.”
Sorry, putz. That was the idiot you served with. Fuck you.

Cheney’s a cowardly asshole. Always has been and always will.

150 EPR-radar  Aug 20, 2014 7:23:24pm

re: #143 Kid A

Cheney: “Obama is the weakest President of my lifetime.”
Sorry, putz. That was the idiot puppet you usedyou served with . Fuck you.

FTFY

151 Shazam  Aug 20, 2014 7:23:27pm

I remember that time Cheney killed Bin Laden. Shotgun to the face.

152 EPR-radar  Aug 20, 2014 7:24:36pm

re: #151 Shazam

I remember that time Cheney killed Bin Laden.

Was this before or after 12 verified miracles were documented for the canonization of St. Ronald Reagan?

153 HappyWarrior  Aug 20, 2014 7:25:13pm

re: #151 Shazam

I remember that time Cheney killed Bin Laden. Shotgun to the face.

I remember the time that Cheney was president when Qaddafi got ousted from power too. Oh wait. Cheney really is one to fucking talk. The fact of the matter is and the old bastard will never admit even though he knows it to be true is that Barack Obama has been a much more effective president against terrorism than the Bush-Cheney team ever was.

154 Shazam  Aug 20, 2014 7:25:32pm

re: #152 EPR-radar

Before that but after they found nukes in Iraq.

155 Tigger2005  Aug 20, 2014 7:26:47pm

Don’t be too hard on Jay Nixon for his handling of the Ferguson situation. Yes, he’s made missteps. No, his leadership hasn’t been sterling. But would you rather THIS guy was in charge?
Link

156 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 20, 2014 7:26:51pm
157 teleskiguy  Aug 20, 2014 7:27:17pm

re: #143 Kid A

Cheney: “Obama is the weakest President of my lifetime.”
Sorry, putz. That was the idiot you served with. Fuck you.

re: #149 HappyWarrior

Cheney’s a cowardly asshole. Always has been and always will.

re: #151 Shazam

I remember that time Cheney killed Bin Laden. Shotgun to the face.

If you look closely this sticker is affixed to random chairlifts throughout the inner mountain west, most notably Silverton Mountain.

What does this mean?!?

158 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 20, 2014 7:27:49pm

Now I will probably get HURR HURR TEH CONFEDERATES WAS TEH DEMOCRATS!!!!! in my timeline.

159 De Kolta Chair  Aug 20, 2014 7:28:11pm

re: #153 HappyWarrior

I remember the time that Cheney was president when Qaddafi got ousted from power too. Oh wait. Cheney really is one to fucking talk. The fact of the matter is and the old bastard will never admit even though he knows it to be true is that Barack Obama has been a much more effective president against terrorism than the Bush-Cheney team ever was.

By ousting Qaddafi, Obama took money from the pockets of Halliburton and other corporations, making Obama the worst president in the history of ever.

160 Danny  Aug 20, 2014 7:28:21pm

Shoulda put [blah blah blah] up higher in the quote.

161 GlutenFreeJesus  Aug 20, 2014 7:28:47pm

re: #137 Kid A

Cops deny leaking it to Dim Jim. I swear he’s making it up.

His source is probably one of the janitors at the station.

162 HappyWarrior  Aug 20, 2014 7:28:52pm

re: #159 De Kolta Chair

By ousting Qaddafi, Obama took money from Halliburton and other companies pockets, making Obama the worst president in the history of ever.

No wonder why Cheney gets a sad when talking Obama. You know what’s sad is I actually respect Bush more than I do Cheney. Bush at least doesn’t go around second guessing Obama and spreading lies about him.

163 EPR-radar  Aug 20, 2014 7:30:23pm

re: #162 HappyWarrior

No wonder why Cheney gets a sad when talking Obama. You know what’s sad is I actually respect Bush more than I do Cheney. Bush at least doesn’t go around second guessing Obama and spreading lies about him.

Makes sense. W Bush as the tool and Cheney as one of the users thereof has always been my impression.

164 Kid A  Aug 20, 2014 7:31:02pm

This black kid on Insanity right now is going to set the RWNJ into a tailspin of derp.

165 De Kolta Chair  Aug 20, 2014 7:31:23pm

re: #161 GlutenFreeJesus

His source is probably one of the janitors at the station.

It’s been my experience that in general janitors are usually the most honest and reliable people in any firm I’ve dealt with.

166 jaunte  Aug 20, 2014 7:32:13pm

re: #164 Kid A

Who is he?

167 WhatEVs  Aug 20, 2014 7:32:38pm

re: #133 klys

Oh boy, I got downdinged by the hatchling too. Hooray!

Wear it as a badge of honor.

168 Kid A  Aug 20, 2014 7:32:47pm

re: #166 jaunte

Protestor named Travis. He’s pwning Sean. Insanity asked him about the broken eye socket bullshit and Travis said “Six shots. No way.”

169 jaunte  Aug 20, 2014 7:36:06pm

re: #168 Kid A

Hannity fans remain confirmed in their superiority.
twitter.com

170 Lidane  Aug 20, 2014 7:36:11pm

Apparently the NY Post is reprinting Dim Hoft’s ZOMG BROKEN EYEBALL delusions.

171 Kid A  Aug 20, 2014 7:36:29pm

These bastards want it so bad to be true.

172 Stanley Sea  Aug 20, 2014 7:36:44pm

re: #161 GlutenFreeJesus

His source is probably one of the janitors at the station.

Ya know how they call Rev. Al a race hustler? (Which IMO is bs) but dim Jim et al are HATE HUSTLERS.

173 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 20, 2014 7:37:57pm
174 De Kolta Chair  Aug 20, 2014 7:37:59pm

Apropos of nothing, has there ever been a Democratic First Lady who wasn’t accused of being a lesbian devil worshiper?

175 teleskiguy  Aug 20, 2014 7:38:57pm

re: #171 Kid A

These bastards want it so bad to be true.

That’s the thing that really scares me. Racism is alive and well in the United States, contrary to what John Roberts believes. And yet so many whites are in denial. Makes me ill.

176 GlutenFreeJesus  Aug 20, 2014 7:39:43pm

re: #115 b.d.

Who is Chucks Bottles?

Not who. What. MOB. Main Operating Base. That’s a cool name for a base.

177 jaunte  Aug 20, 2014 7:40:07pm

re: #174 De Kolta Chair

Letitia Tyler. She only came down out of the living quarters once, to attend her daughter’s wedding.

178 Lidane  Aug 20, 2014 7:40:23pm

re: #171 Kid A

These bastards want it so bad to be true.

179 GlutenFreeJesus  Aug 20, 2014 7:40:51pm

re: #165 De Kolta Chair

It’s been my experience that in general janitors are usually the most honest and reliable people in any firm I’ve dealt with.

They also love practical jokes. :)

180 WhatEVs  Aug 20, 2014 7:41:17pm

re: #161 GlutenFreeJesus

His source is probably one of the janitors at the station.

Or the little dumbest man on the internet whispering inside his head.

181 teleskiguy  Aug 20, 2014 7:42:05pm

re: #178 Lidane

Fuck. Jim Hoft is an evil little man! What a shit stain on our body politic. He’s probably happier than pigs in shit right now, the fucking cocksucker.

182 HappyWarrior  Aug 20, 2014 7:42:11pm

re: #179 GlutenFreeJesus

They also love practical jokes. :)

That actually gets me thinking of the one I had in elementary school. Nice, nice man. He was the star for the faculty basketball team. We loved him. I have memories of him pinching people not wearing green on St. Paddy’s and later working at the same hotel as my Dad.

183 WhatEVs  Aug 20, 2014 7:42:31pm

re: #164 Kid A

This black kid on Insanity right now is going to set the RWNJ into a tailspin of derp.

Share, please. I cannot watch Inanity.

184 darthstar  Aug 20, 2014 7:44:38pm
185 GlutenFreeJesus  Aug 20, 2014 7:44:39pm

re: #178 Lidane

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General Streck, German High Command: Klaus is a moron who knows only what he reads in the New York Post.

186 klys  Aug 20, 2014 7:45:33pm

Trying a new Greek/house dressing over a chickpea/cucumber/pepper/etc. Greek salad with pepperoni and feta for dinner tonight.

I remain disproportionately cranky with the world.

187 HappyWarrior  Aug 20, 2014 7:46:07pm

re: #186 klys

Trying a new Greek/house dressing over a chickpea/cucumber/pepper/etc. Greek salad with pepperoni and feta for dinner tonight.

I remain disproportionately cranky with the world.

Oooh that sounds good.

188 klys  Aug 20, 2014 7:47:05pm

re: #187 HappyWarrior

Oooh that sounds good.

If it comes out well I will link the dressing recipe.

189 De Kolta Chair  Aug 20, 2014 7:49:37pm

re: #179 GlutenFreeJesus

They also love practical jokes. :)

The crew in my apartment building are jokesters. Having been in that line of work meself I know you’ve got to have a healthy, or at least a healthily demented, sense of humor.

190 BeachDem  Aug 20, 2014 7:49:50pm

LOD is ripping the NYT article to shreds.

191 klys  Aug 20, 2014 7:51:06pm

re: #184 darthstar

Ironically, Google image search’s best guess for the image is actually Bundy Ranch.

192 ausador  Aug 20, 2014 7:51:56pm

re: #113 Gus

Was that an earthquake?

No padawan that was millions of wingnut sphincters all puckering at once.

193 psddluva4evah  Aug 20, 2014 7:55:00pm

MEDIA ALERT!

if anyone can get it y’all need to see Lawrence O’Donnell’s takedown of the NYT article on the Mike Brown’s murder and how the NYT basically wrote the piece better than the Ferguson PD could..

He called out NYT for basically doing shoddy police reporting, and he broke it down like a fraction

194 klys  Aug 20, 2014 7:55:19pm

re: #191 klys

Ironically, Google image search’s best guess for the image is actually Bundy Ranch.

And, in fact, yep.

Here’s a different perspective, before the addition of the handwritten sign. From this article.

195 WhatEVs  Aug 20, 2014 7:55:36pm

re: #190 BeachDem

LOD is ripping the NYT article to shreds.

Damn. Missed it. What’d he say?

196 Kid A  Aug 20, 2014 7:57:53pm

re: #157 teleskiguy

If you look closely this sticker is affixed to random chairlifts throughout the inner mountain west, most notably Silverton Mountain.

What does this mean?!?

That Cheney is a real man.
/

197 klys  Aug 20, 2014 7:57:53pm
198 Lidane  Aug 20, 2014 8:02:26pm
199 Targetpractice  Aug 20, 2014 8:03:12pm

As somebody on another board noted to me, the whole “leak” to the media seems more like a trial balloon, either on the part of the FPD or the county prosecutor, to see which way the wind blows and to shape the story to match. Almost like an attempt to invoke empathy in order to say “Yeah, Wilson shot an unarmed kid dead, but look at how badly he was hurt!”

200 De Kolta Chair  Aug 20, 2014 8:04:53pm

re: #198 Lidane

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The other day I read that contrary to popular belief chameleons don’t change colors to blend in with their surroundings like some other lizards, but change color because of their mood. Sensitive little critters they are.

But anyway, super cute!

201 teleskiguy  Aug 20, 2014 8:05:12pm

re: #199 Targetpractice

In a previous thread a commenter (I forget who) conspiracy theorized that Wilson got decked back at the station by Chief Jackson for fucking things up so badly.

Hmm…

202 Romantic Heretic  Aug 20, 2014 8:07:54pm

Charles? Since you’re making both the far left and far right mad at you you must be doing something good.

203 Targetpractice  Aug 20, 2014 8:08:05pm

re: #201 teleskiguy

In a previous thread a commenter (I forget who) conspiracy theorized that Wilson got decked back at the station by Chief Jackson for fucking things up so badly.

Hmm…

I don’t buy it as anything more than something said in jest.

204 teleskiguy  Aug 20, 2014 8:08:12pm

Me too. :(

205 BeachDem  Aug 20, 2014 8:08:35pm

re: #195 WhatEVs

He pretty much pointed out that the NYT basically presented everything from the police department’s point of view, ignored or misconstrued what actual named witnesses said (showed the videos of two of them being interviewed and then pointed out how the NYT twisted what they said) and then the Times would say there were “conflicting witness reports.” Also, none of the “witnesses” who supported the cops’ version were named—all their supposed testimony came from police sources.

He pretty much said (paraphrased) that the NYT article was more of a police mouthpiece/pr effort, and that it was terrible crime reporting in almost every sentence.

LOD said it better—I’m sure they’ll post the video—it’s his Rewrite section—watch it if you get a chance.

206 stpaulbear  Aug 20, 2014 8:08:38pm

re: #201 teleskiguy

Wilson got hit so hard that his cat scan was available years ago…

207 psddluva4evah  Aug 20, 2014 8:09:00pm

re: #190 BeachDem

it really was a stellar segment.

He called out NYT for basically doing shoddy police reporting, basically quoting and using PD version of events and never doing any due diligence by actually getting info from PD. It’s just the PDs version of events and the NYT runs with it.

one would hope someone in NYT sees it and re-consider the bits of the article Lawrence mentioned.

208 De Kolta Chair  Aug 20, 2014 8:09:51pm

re: #204 teleskiguy

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Me too. :(

I don’t miss the fact that shuttles were obsolete and therefor dangerous.

209 teleskiguy  Aug 20, 2014 8:10:37pm

re: #203 Targetpractice

I don’t buy it as anything more than something said in jest.

I’m not one for conspiracy theories, too many variables.

But this situation with Michael Brown’s murder by a Ferguson police officer and everything that’s happened since, I don’t know what to believe.

One thing is for sure, witness accounts are extraordinarily consistent.

210 Kid A  Aug 20, 2014 8:11:24pm

re: #206 stpaulbear

Wilson got hit so hard that his cat scan was available years ago…

LOL

211 teleskiguy  Aug 20, 2014 8:13:27pm

re: #208 De Kolta Chair

I don’t miss the fact that shuttles were obsolete and therefor dangerous.

You’re correct. I guess it’s the idea that we had a reusable low-Earth orbit vehicle that I miss. Seems we’ve regressed in that area.

212 Kid A  Aug 20, 2014 8:14:55pm

Filled up my new truck for under $3 a gallon for the first time in two years. THANKS, OBAMA!!!

213 WhatEVs  Aug 20, 2014 8:15:02pm

re: #205 BeachDem

Thank you. I will. For sure.

214 De Kolta Chair  Aug 20, 2014 8:16:06pm

re: #211 teleskiguy

You’re correct. I guess it’s the idea that we had a reusable low-Earth orbit vehicle that I miss. Seems we’ve regressed in that area.

Agreed. And I miss them too.

215 teleskiguy  Aug 20, 2014 8:19:23pm

re: #212 Kid A

Filled up my new truck for under $3 a gallon for the first time in two years. THANKS, OBAMA!!!

What. The. Fuck?!?

The price of gas where I live is actually the lowest it has been for years, I think the price today was $3.69/gal in the Eagle River Valley.

I live in a part of Colorado that consistently has the most expensive gas in the region. You can draw a circle around the region and Aspen and Vail are in it. I’m in it too, and shit’s expensive yo!

216 Targetpractice  Aug 20, 2014 8:19:48pm

re: #208 De Kolta Chair

I don’t miss the fact that shuttles were obsolete and therefor dangerous.

Did a report in college years back about the shuttle. Just going through the most basic info about its development and construction made it obvious that it was NASA’s “good enough” approach in practice again. From their Faustian deal with the Air Force that led to a bigger and more expensive orbiter to the failure to get a space station funded so the shuttle had somewhere to go regularly.

217 klys  Aug 20, 2014 8:19:55pm

Worked out one mat on the fuzzball. There’s still another but since I am missing a few tools, I have to do this slowly.

He is a very tolerant fuzzball and for my lax brushing schedule it is amazing he doesn’t have mats more often.

218 stpaulbear  Aug 20, 2014 8:21:36pm

One thing that’s jumped out at me today was that the cop who got fired for telling people to fuck off last night was heard earlier on the video saying “I’m going to kill you”. I remember hearing Brown’s friend Johnson describing the incident and saying that Wilson said to them that he was going to kill them. I’m wondering how common that particular phrase is department-wide in the St. Louis area?

Edit: I looked up Dorian Johnson’s statement and he said that Wilson said “I’ll Shoot”. While he was trying to pull Brown into the vehicle.

219 WhatEVs  Aug 20, 2014 8:22:29pm

You may (or may not) have noticed the name change. This is how I feel today…what-fucking-ever. After watching the StL police shoot that Powell guy, I lost it completely.

After hearing the story about a knife-wielding guy rushing a cop, I didn’t give it a 2nd thought. People do dumb stuff every day. But that man was mentally disturbed, he wasn’t rushing anyone, and two cops emptied their fucking guns into him. Then handcuffed his corpse.

Seriously. WTF.

We collectively owe it to all our fellow citizens to stop this shit. It’s not me (older, white woman)…today.

I’m feeling very: First they came for… right now.

And totally feeling powerless and helpless. Hence, WhatEVs.

Fuck I’m mad.

220 teleskiguy  Aug 20, 2014 8:25:55pm

re: #218 stpaulbear

One thing that’s jumped out at me today was that the cop who got fired for telling people to fuck off last night was heard earlier on the video saying “I’m going to kill you”. I remember hearing Brown’s friend Johnson describing the incident and saying that Wilson saying to them that he was going to kill them. I’m wondering how common that particular phrase is department-wide in the St. Louis area?

Jamelle Bouie over at Slate wrote a wonderfully sobering essay today trying to answer your question about the police in St. Louis.

221 Lancelot Link  Aug 20, 2014 8:26:08pm

re: #51 CuriousLurker

Can someone please give me a brief description of the difference between a Maoist, Stalinist, Marxist, etc? I don’ think I’ve ever met one (except for Destro) and I’m too lazy to look it up right now…

Here’s a good illustration;

Youtube Video

222 Single-handed sailor  Aug 20, 2014 8:26:48pm

re: #211 teleskiguy

You’re correct. I guess it’s the idea that we had a reusable low-Earth orbit vehicle that I miss. Seems we’ve regressed in that area.

SpaceX is on it! They are working on reusable rockets and crew modules.

223 klys  Aug 20, 2014 8:28:43pm

re: #219 WhatEVs

You may (or may not) have noticed the name change. This is how I feel today…what-fucking-ever. After watching the StL police shoot that Powell guy, I lost it completely.

After hearing the story about a knife-wielding guy rushing a cop, I didn’t give it a 2nd thought. People do dumb stuff every day. But that man was mentally disturbed, he wasn’t rushing anyone, and two cops emptied their fucking guns into him. Then handcuffed his corpse.

Seriously. WTF.

We collectively owe it to all our fellow citizens to stop this shit. It’s not me (older, white woman)…today.

I’m feeling very: First they came for… right now.

And totally feeling powerless and helpless. Hence, WhatEVs.

Fuck I’m mad.

There is a lot to be said for taking that anger and channeling it, but I think this is also a good time to remind folks to take care of themselves too.

Sometimes you really do have to check out for a little bit and cuddle a cat/spouse/child/puppy/your choice.

224 Kid A  Aug 20, 2014 8:30:32pm

re: #215 teleskiguy

Gas around here (Houston area) has steadily dropped in recent weeks. I live in The Woodlands (30 miles north of Houston), and today it was at $2.999. But don’t worry, when it goes back up over $3 the shitheads will blame Obama for it going up AGAIN!!!!

225 Targetpractice  Aug 20, 2014 8:30:35pm

Every time I try to take a break to get back to my playing through the Mass Effect trilogy, something new pops up in the story and I find myself drawn back. It’s like every time I try to get out, they pull me back in!

226 teleskiguy  Aug 20, 2014 8:30:52pm

re: #222 Single-handed sailor

SpaceX is on it! They are working on reusable rockets and crew modules.

Yup. I remember their first successful rocket launch two years ago.

227 Kid A  Aug 20, 2014 8:31:45pm

Awesome. Dipshit Dim’s site is still down. I guess his hamster died.

228 Shazam  Aug 20, 2014 8:33:20pm

re: #227 Kid A

All that added traffic from the NY Post. He’s not used to getting more than ten visitors at a time.

229 Targetpractice  Aug 20, 2014 8:33:32pm

re: #227 Kid A

Awesome. Dipshit Dim’s site is still down. I guess his hamster died.

230 OhNoZombies!  Aug 20, 2014 8:35:51pm

re: #227 Kid A

Awesome. Dipshit Dim’s site is still down. I guess his hamster died.

He only fed him DERP, and the poor little guy died of dysentery.

231 Stanley Sea  Aug 20, 2014 8:36:35pm

Tonight I had a wonderful time in the meat world with my ex sister in law/best friend (we divorced the brothers). I love you LGF, best source for news and commentary. Bit after signing back in, I see the peaceful non-news world is better for me brain. Until tomorrow …..

232 Kid A  Aug 20, 2014 8:38:32pm

233 darthstar  Aug 20, 2014 8:41:45pm
234 allegro  Aug 20, 2014 8:43:41pm

re: #231 Stanley Sea

Tonight I had a wonderful time in the meat world with my ex sister in law/best friend (we divorced the brothers). I love you LGF, best source for news and commentary. Bit after signing back in, I see the peaceful non-news world is better for me brain. Until tomorrow …..

I had a welcome break last weekend when my two best friends came over for an Iron Man movie marathon. My one friend hadn’t seen any of them, turned out she hadn’t even seen the Avengers, so we added that one to the list as well. It was a Marvel-ous escape weekend of munchies, burgers, fries, snow cones (I got a Hawaiian shaved ice machine and made several syrup flavors) and wine/booze. Highly recommended.

235 darthstar  Aug 20, 2014 8:43:48pm

re: #232 Kid A

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That’s funny.

236 psddluva4evah  Aug 20, 2014 8:44:05pm

loved that Chris Hayes retweeted this.

Chris Hayes has become part of the family…we joking bout him now.

don’t Fudge it up Chris!

237 Gus  Aug 20, 2014 8:44:17pm
238 Kid A  Aug 20, 2014 8:44:24pm

239 WhatEVs  Aug 20, 2014 8:44:34pm

re: #223 klys

Thank god for the pups. My husband, who is ridiculously smart, kind and gentle, has become a raging douchebag over Ferguson. I can’t talk to him about this at all, because I want to hurt him every time I do. He’s not racist at all. He has little use for cops, but there’s something about this whole thing that has him all over “you can’t have this! It’s like the G8!” Uhm, no. It’s not.

Fuck. Shoot me in the head now.

240 HappyWarrior  Aug 20, 2014 8:44:50pm

re: #236 psddluva4evah

loved that Chris Hayes retweeted this.

Chris Hayes has become part of the family…we joking bout him now.

don’t Fudge it up Chris!

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But I thought they hated whitey.// He does have that disapproving Mom look hahaha.

241 Kid A  Aug 20, 2014 8:45:29pm

re: #237 Gus

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GOLFGHAZI!!!!11TY11!!!

242 De Kolta Chair  Aug 20, 2014 8:45:46pm

re: #221 Lancelot Link

Here’s a good illustration;

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An old and dear friend of mine is a Stalinist, and a long-time member of the Workers World Party. Years ago we were kicking back and I made an offhand remark about the millions killed by Chairman Mao, and she literally stood straight up from her chair, like Nosferatu exiting his coffin in the silent movie, about to defend the guy, and immediately thought better of it and settled back into her chair and nursed her margarita. Since then, we still talk politics all the time, but she got my point, so we don’t broach the subject of what I and most of the world consider murderous dictators. Like I said, she’s an old and dear friend, and besides she does great work organizing for the AFL-CIO, specializing in organizing teachers and battling charter schools, and believe me it hasn’t always been an easy gig. In fact, she’s one of the very few women organizers for the AFL-CIO. Funny thing is, she’s the most sentimentally sappy person I’ve ever known.

243 BlueSpotinAL  Aug 20, 2014 8:46:59pm

re: #175 teleskiguy

Chief justice is blind.

244 Targetpractice  Aug 20, 2014 8:47:34pm

re: #238 Kid A

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You could replace the “Bring up black on black crime” box with just “Chicago.” That’s been the same thing over and over again, whenever a black teen or man ends up dead due to a cop: “But what about all the black kids dying in Chicago! Oh, I guess it’s blacks killing blacks, so it doesn’t matter!”

245 HappyWarrior  Aug 20, 2014 8:48:43pm

re: #243 BlueSpotinAL

Chief justice is blind.

Yep and he’s in it for the long haul too. Not even 60 yet. To put things in perspective. The last three CJs were over 60 when Eisenhower, Nixon, and Reagan promoted them to their position. An unfortunately quite shrewd move by Bush’s advisers there.

246 HappyWarrior  Aug 20, 2014 8:49:38pm

re: #244 Targetpractice

You could replace the “Bring up black on black crime” box with just “Chicago.” That’s been the same thing over and over again, whenever a black teen or man ends up dead due to a cop: “But what about all the black kids dying in Chicago! Oh, I guess it’s blacks killing blacks, so it doesn’t matter!”

Help me out here but what’s the Weaves in reference to.

247 allegro  Aug 20, 2014 8:50:43pm

re: #246 HappyWarrior

Help me out here but what’s the Weaves in reference to.

Hair?

248 HappyWarrior  Aug 20, 2014 8:51:14pm

re: #247 allegro

Hair?

Ah.

249 Charles Johnson  Aug 20, 2014 8:52:00pm

A new right wing shitstorm is brewing.

250 Kid A  Aug 20, 2014 8:52:29pm

re: #249 Charles Johnson

A new right wing shitstorm is brewing.

What now?

251 teleskiguy  Aug 20, 2014 8:53:35pm

re: #245 HappyWarrior

Yep and he’s in it for the long haul too. Not even 60 yet. To put things in perspective. The last three CJs were over 60 when Eisenhower, Nixon, and Reagan promoted them to their position. An unfortunately quite shrewd move by Bush’s advisers there.

Lest we forget then-Senator Joe Biden’s questioning of John Roberts during his confirmation hearings.

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252 HappyWarrior  Aug 20, 2014 8:53:39pm

re: #249 Charles Johnson

A new right wing shitstorm is brewing.

Of course, we’re still seven minutes to midnight here. I jest but what’s new?

253 Decatur Deb  Aug 20, 2014 8:54:11pm

re: #174 De Kolta Chair

Apropos of nothing, has there ever been a Democratic First Lady who wasn’t accused of being a lesbian devil worshiper?

Mary Todd Lincoln. She had other issues.

254 Charles Johnson  Aug 20, 2014 8:54:21pm

A Facebook post claiming that Dorian Johnson “recanted” his statements and now says Michael Brown did attack Wilson.

There’s no real source for it. Just the wingnut grapevine.

255 Charles Johnson  Aug 20, 2014 8:55:33pm

It’s all over the right wing fringe sites, which means it will probably show up at Gateway Pundit any minute.

256 HappyWarrior  Aug 20, 2014 8:55:34pm

re: #251 teleskiguy

Lest we forget then-Senator Joe Biden’s questioning of John Roberts during his confirmation hearings.

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And that’s why no one should regard Biden as a clown. That was excellent. He was instrumental in stopping Bork too IIRC and near succeeded in preventing Thomas from getting confirmed as well.

257 HappyWarrior  Aug 20, 2014 8:56:11pm

re: #253 Decatur Deb

Mary Todd Lincoln. She had other issues.

Democratic First Lady. I know, I know.

258 Kid A  Aug 20, 2014 8:56:41pm

re: #254 Charles Johnson

A Facebook post claiming that Dorian Johnson “recanted” his statements and now says Michael Brown did attack Wilson.

There’s no real source for it. Just the wingnut grapevine.

Well, Facebook makes everything official.
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259 WhatEVs  Aug 20, 2014 8:57:04pm

re: #254 Charles Johnson

A Facebook post claiming that Dorian Johnson “recanted” his statements and now says Michael Brown did attack Wilson.

There’s no real source for it. Just the wingnut grapevine.

They said that two days ago. That resulted in an official Nope.

Not that these jerks give one wit about truth. Browns going to be indicted for murder any day now. And they’ll resurrect him specifically to kill him again.

260 teleskiguy  Aug 20, 2014 8:57:44pm

re: #254 Charles Johnson

A Facebook post claiming that Dorian Johnson “recanted” his statements and now says Michael Brown did attack Wilson.

There’s no real source for it. Just the wingnut grapevine.

I’ve seen a few people who I would call good people post Jim Hoft’s bile on Facebook. It’s disturbing, indicative of a deep ideological rift. Even people who I never considered racist are posting Jim Hoft’s stuff in my Facebook timeline. It’s tragic.

261 HappyWarrior  Aug 20, 2014 8:57:53pm

re: #259 WhatEVs

They said that two days ago. That resulted in an official Nope.

Not that these jerks give one wit about truth. Browns going to be indicted for murder any day now. And they’ll resurrect him specifically to kill him again.

They’re doing what they did in the Martin case. Putting the victim on trial.

262 stpaulbear  Aug 20, 2014 8:58:14pm

re: #254 Charles Johnson

A Facebook post claiming that Dorian Johnson “recanted” his statements and now says Michael Brown did attack Wilson.

There’s no real source for it. Just the wingnut grapevine.

I was on Goggle looking up Dorian’s account of the shooting a little while ago and was confused at all of the right wing sites I was seeing with headlines proclaiming how all of the eyewitnesses were now confirming the police’s version of the way things happened. Hoft’s site was in the top 10 responses. I agree that there’s something really shitty happening right now on the rw sites.

263 WhatEVs  Aug 20, 2014 8:58:32pm

re: #261 HappyWarrior

They’re doing what they did in the Martin case. Putting the victim on trial.

Yes. Same play book. Different black kid.

264 Targetpractice  Aug 20, 2014 8:58:42pm

re: #254 Charles Johnson

A Facebook post claiming that Dorian Johnson “recanted” his statements and now says Michael Brown did attack Wilson.

There’s no real source for it. Just the wingnut grapevine.

The Facebook page I saw claims that they were the ones who “broke” the story on the autopsy results before the family’s autopsy was released Monday, so they’re saying that this reason to believe their “sources.”

265 De Kolta Chair  Aug 20, 2014 8:58:45pm

re: #249 Charles Johnson

A new right wing shitstorm is brewing.

I feel a change coming on
And the fourth part of the day is already gone

— Bob Dylan

Hope you’re wrong about that, Zimmy

266 Charles Johnson  Aug 20, 2014 8:58:48pm

Sean Hannity is running with Jim Hoft’s “fractured eye socket” story tonight.

267 HappyWarrior  Aug 20, 2014 8:59:19pm

re: #263 WhatEVs

Yes. Same play book. Different black kid.

Yep, the show must go on sigh. At this rate we’ll be lucky to get an indictment.

268 HappyWarrior  Aug 20, 2014 8:59:55pm

re: #266 Charles Johnson

Sean Hannity is running with Jim Hoft’s “fractured eye socket” story tonight.

Of course, Hal Turner’s former bff is doing that.

269 Lancelot Link  Aug 20, 2014 9:00:00pm

re: #249 Charles Johnson

A new right wing shitstorm is brewing.

Uh-oh, it must be a day ending in “y”.

270 Kid A  Aug 20, 2014 9:00:13pm

271 ausador  Aug 20, 2014 9:00:25pm

PITA kitty!

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272 WhatEVs  Aug 20, 2014 9:00:58pm

re: #267 HappyWarrior

Yep, the show must go on sigh. At this rate we’ll be lucky to get an indictment.

The only indictment is against these dead black kids and all their living relatives.

Glass houses and stones…a foreign concept to these Christians.

273 HappyWarrior  Aug 20, 2014 9:02:49pm

re: #270 Kid A

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Okay can I say it. Even if he did attack Wilson, that doesn’t justify at all what happened. I’m sorry. it doesn’t. It may not be murder anymore after that but it becomes manslaughter.

274 Targetpractice  Aug 20, 2014 9:03:31pm

re: #270 Kid A

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They went on in a further post to claim that they’d known the autopsy results on Saturday night, though every person who’s asked to see that post has been instead shown the autopsy diagram signed by Baden.

275 HappyWarrior  Aug 20, 2014 9:03:37pm

re: #272 WhatEVs

The only indictment is against these dead black kids and all their living relatives.

Glass houses and stones…a foreign concept to these Christians.

Yep. Tragic enough to lose a relative. Even worse to see that relative dragged through the mud because a bunch of right wing cowards need to get their scary black teen fantasy on. I’m tired of these right wing fucks.

276 Kid A  Aug 20, 2014 9:03:38pm

It’s spreading all over Twitter.

277 Charles Johnson  Aug 20, 2014 9:05:11pm

It’s almost certainly false, folks. If there was any truth to it, people like @GoldieTaylor would be all over it. It’s more wingnut whargarrbl.

278 WhatEVs  Aug 20, 2014 9:06:02pm

re: #276 Kid A

It’s spreading all over Twitter.

Normally, I’d say that’s a good thing because it’s easily provable. Which then would go to all the other unsourced noise. But we all know better.

279 Kid A  Aug 20, 2014 9:06:22pm

re: #278 WhatEVs

Exactly.

280 teleskiguy  Aug 20, 2014 9:06:22pm

re: #260 teleskiguy

I’ve seen a few people who I would call good people post Jim Hoft’s bile on Facebook. It’s disturbing, indicative of a deep ideological rift. Even people who I never considered racist are posting Jim Hoft’s stuff in my Facebook timeline. It’s tragic.

Funny thing. Most of the folks in my Facebook timeline that post Jim Hoft/Fox News/Drudge bullshit, I can tell that the only website they visit is Facebook. They just talk amongst each other and link to all the same things. I gave up pushing back against people I know personally - (everybody in my Facebook friends is a person I met in the flesh, going back to childhood, explaining the RWNJ shit I get in my feed) on the news of the day, or religion, or science - long ago. I’m always reminded of a Minor Threat song…

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281 freetoken  Aug 20, 2014 9:06:46pm

re: #266 Charles Johnson

Sean Hannity is running with Jim Hoft’s “fractured eye socket” story tonight.

The slow emergence of the Idiocracy is here.

282 Jocko's Rocket Ship  Aug 20, 2014 9:06:50pm

I just saw the video of the “other” police shooting in Ferguson in recent days. It’s actually pretty clear-cut appalling as it’s all on video. A young black man acting a little erratic, just shoplifted two drinks, places them on the sidewalk, waits for police. Police come, he says “shoot me” as he walks towards them still at a fair distance arms on the side and no weapon present (that can be seen) , and they shoot him multiple times and kill him, then cuff him. About 15 seconds on the scene until the kill. Guns drawn from the start. Nothing done to calm the situation, just blam.

It blows my mind that this country thinks that is acceptable action by our police. But it’s celebrating by 30% of us.

It’s at VOX if you want to view it.

283 Kid A  Aug 20, 2014 9:06:58pm

re: #280 teleskiguy

Funny thing. Most of the folks in my Facebook timeline that post Jim Hoft/Fox News/Drudge bullshit, I can tell that the only website they visit is Facebook. They just talk amongst each other and link to all the same things. I gave up pushing back against people I know personally - (everybody in my Facebook friends is a person I met in the flesh, going back to childhood, explaining the RWNJ shit I get in my feed) on the news of the day, or religion, or science - long ago. I’m always reminded of a Minor Threat song…

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Upding for a band I loved long ago.

284 De Kolta Chair  Aug 20, 2014 9:07:18pm

re: #270 Kid A

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Aptly, in old jazz and blues songs, a viper is someone who smokes way too much reefer.

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285 HappyWarrior  Aug 20, 2014 9:07:34pm

re: #282 Jocko’s Rocket Ship

I just saw the video of the “other” police shooting in Ferguson in recent days. It’s actually pretty clear-cut appalling as it’s all on video. A young black man acting a little erratic, just shoplifted two drinks, places them on the sidewalk, waits for police. Police come, he says “shoot me” as he walks towards them still at a fair distance arms on the side and no weapon present (that can be seen) , and they shoot him multiple times and kill him, then cuff him. About 15 seconds on the scene until the kill. Guns drawn from the start. Nothing done to calm the situation, just blam.

It blows my mind that this country thinks that is acceptable action by our police. But it’s celebrating by 30% of us.

It’s at VOX if you want to view it.

Yeah I find the cheering on of something like this tragic.

286 teleskiguy  Aug 20, 2014 9:08:18pm

re: #281 freetoken

The slow emergence of the Idiocracy is here.

OH, I LIKE MONEY, THOUGH.

287 HappyWarrior  Aug 20, 2014 9:08:33pm

This happened not too from me.
washingtonpost.com

288 BeachDem  Aug 20, 2014 9:09:25pm

re: #264 Targetpractice

The Facebook page I saw claims that they were the ones who “broke” the story on the autopsy results before the family’s autopsy was released Monday, so they’re saying that this reason to believe their “sources.”

Heard it from a friend who
Heard it from a friend who
Heard it from another…

But I know the neighborhood
And talk is cheap when the story is good
And the tales grow taller on down the line…

289 freetoken  Aug 20, 2014 9:09:30pm

America has a gun problem.

290 HappyWarrior  Aug 20, 2014 9:11:03pm

re: #289 freetoken

America has a gun problem.

We do and the politicians who admit get thrashed with ads by the gun orgs and companies that have tons of money. Another brilliant byproduct of citizens united. Thanks again Justice Roberts.

291 teleskiguy  Aug 20, 2014 9:12:21pm

re: #281 freetoken

The slow emergence of the Idiocracy is here.

Let’s not forget that Idiocracy was put together by a through-and-through Texan, @MikeJudge.

This is my favorite tweet of his:

292 BeachDem  Aug 20, 2014 9:12:25pm

re: #270 Kid A

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The only way that could possibly happen would be if the police threatened to charge him with something big—but that kid has had a lawyer since day 1 and I don’t believe the lawyer would let that happen without screaming at the top of his lungs.

Edit to add—the only thing I believe in that is that Wilson will not be charged.

293 Targetpractice  Aug 20, 2014 9:12:39pm

I notice that every supposed “fact” that exonerates Wilson comes from an anonymous source. Almost as though people are afraid to be caught telling lies…

294 Shiplord Kirel  Aug 20, 2014 9:13:04pm

The ancient law of armed combat, don’t use weapons against the unarmed, has been well and truly repealed in contemporary America.

295 klys  Aug 20, 2014 9:13:44pm

re: #290 HappyWarrior

We do and the politicians who admit get thrashed with ads by the gun orgs and companies that have tons of money. Another brilliant byproduct of citizens united. Thanks again Justice Roberts.

Part of it is there are a lot of people out there who have decided that this is a make-or-break issue for them. No compromise allowed.

I don’t agree with taking the stand there, but I understand (just a little) because I too have my make-or-break issues. Mine just involve personal choice and equal rights for all.

296 Targetpractice  Aug 20, 2014 9:14:38pm

re: #292 BeachDem

The only way that could possibly happen would be if the police threatened to charge him with something big—but that kid has had a lawyer since day 1 and I don’t believe the lawyer would let that happen without screaming at the top of his lungs.

Indeed, the FPD already said days ago they have no intention of charging Johnson with anything, even though he’s admitted to have been in possession of stolen property at the time of the shooting. So if they’re now trying to squeeze him, his attorney would be on every TV news station to protest the attempt to extort his client into changing his story.

297 teleskiguy  Aug 20, 2014 9:15:34pm

re: #294 Shiplord Kirel

The ancient law of armed combat, don’t use weapons against the unarmed, has been well and truly repealed in contemporary America.

Hey, is this cool Shiplord?

298 HappyWarrior  Aug 20, 2014 9:15:43pm

re: #295 klys

Part of it is there are a lot of people out there who have decided that this is a make-or-break issue for them. No compromise allowed.

I don’t agree with taking the stand there, but I understand (just a little) because I too have my make-or-break issues. Mine just involve personal choice and equal rights for all.

I have mine too. It’s not even the lack of compromise that is the problem. You got the NRA going back on things they once supported that they now liken to the worst excesses of totalitarianism.

299 KingKenrod  Aug 20, 2014 9:15:55pm

re: #282 Jocko’s Rocket Ship

I just saw the video of the “other” police shooting in Ferguson in recent days. It’s actually pretty clear-cut appalling as it’s all on video. A young black man acting a little erratic, just shoplifted two drinks, places them on the sidewalk, waits for police. Police come, he says “shoot me” as he walks towards them still at a fair distance arms on the side and no weapon present (that can be seen) , and they shoot him multiple times and kill him, then cuff him. About 15 seconds on the scene until the kill. Guns drawn from the start. Nothing done to calm the situation, just blam.

It blows my mind that this country thinks that is acceptable action by our police. But it’s celebrating by 30% of us.

It’s at VOX if you want to view it.

The guy had a knife, and approached the cops twice after being warned to drop the weapon.

It’s a shame the cops didn’t wait for backup or plan a different method of confronting an obviously mentally disturbed person. Once they had their guns drawn, it was all over.

300 Rightwingconspirator  Aug 20, 2014 9:16:19pm

re: #299 KingKenrod

Powell shooting-
Why no taser? Or stick? Or rubber bullets? Something, anything short of lethal.

301 WhatEVs  Aug 20, 2014 9:16:48pm

I really need a new season of Animal Planets Meet the Sloths. I need a few hours of “Awww”.

302 klys  Aug 20, 2014 9:17:04pm

re: #298 HappyWarrior

I have mine too. It’s not even the lack of compromise that is the problem. You got the NRA going back on things they once supported that they now liken to the worst excesses of totalitarianism.

They’re pandering to the “no compromise” of the most extreme.

Which sucks for the rest of us, because I do believe there is a middle ground that could be found.

304 freetoken  Aug 20, 2014 9:17:39pm

re: #298 HappyWarrior

The NRA itself has been caught in the shifting Overton Window, with ever more reactionary groups popping up on its side, being ever more anarchic.

305 klys  Aug 20, 2014 9:17:52pm

Oh, dressing was a success. I found the recipe here and scaled down to less than a cup total (and not all of that went on the salad tonight).

306 HappyWarrior  Aug 20, 2014 9:17:52pm

re: #302 klys

They’re pandering to the “no compromise” of the most extreme.

Which sucks for the rest of us, because I do believe there is a middle ground that could be found.

I do too. Good point tho.

307 De Kolta Chair  Aug 20, 2014 9:18:15pm

re: #253 Decatur Deb

Mary Todd Lincoln. She had other issues.

Ms. Lincoln was a Republican, and the more I learn about her the more I think her problem was her selfish racist son, Robert.

308 HappyWarrior  Aug 20, 2014 9:18:31pm

re: #304 freetoken

The NRA itself has been caught in the shifting Overton Window, with ever more reactionary groups popping up on its side, being ever more anarchic.

Yeah I remember when the NRA used to collaberate with law enforcement. Now they’ve become some bizzaro anarchist practically white nationalist group.

309 HappyWarrior  Aug 20, 2014 9:19:07pm

re: #307 De Kolta Chair

Ms. Lincoln was a Republican, and the more I learn about her the more I think her problem was her selfish racist son, Robert.

Robert Todd Lincoln was a racist? Interesting. Don’t know too much about him or really any of the Lincolns outside Abe.

310 ausador  Aug 20, 2014 9:20:07pm

re: #254 Charles Johnson

A Facebook post claiming that Dorian Johnson “recanted” his statements and now says Michael Brown did attack Wilson.

There’s no real source for it. Just the wingnut grapevine.

therightscoop.com

Note that this is already two days old so…

311 HappyWarrior  Aug 20, 2014 9:20:30pm

re: #310 ausador

therightscoop.com

Note that this is already two days old so…

So it seems like it’s another throw shit to the wall move and hope it sticks.

312 De Kolta Chair  Aug 20, 2014 9:22:12pm

re: #309 HappyWarrior

Robert Todd Lincoln was a racist? Interesting. Don’t know too much about him or really any of the Lincolns outside Abe.

Robert T. was a true Gilded Ager. His work with the Pullman company was a most shameful episode.

313 HappyWarrior  Aug 20, 2014 9:23:57pm

re: #312 De Kolta Chair

Robert T. was a true Gilded Ager. His work with the Pullman company was a most shameful episode.

Ah, okay. That’s too bad really. It’s a good thing he never had high aspirations I guess.

314 Targetpractice  Aug 20, 2014 9:24:28pm

re: #310 ausador

therightscoop.com

Note that this is already two days old so…

I didn’t notice that later post, suggesting the reason he’d “recanted” was due to worry over perjury. But what witness was in a better position to determine what Brown was doing in that SUV besides Johnson? You’d think if there were a fourth party to these events, Johnson would have mentioned them or another witness who saw the struggle would have mentioned a fourth person that close to the SUV.

315 teleskiguy  Aug 20, 2014 9:26:22pm

re: #297 teleskiguy

Hey Shiplord, judging from your upding you’re cool with the tweet. So it stands! And it goes in my Favorites (tweets that get into my Favorites have to go through a rather rigorous screening process).

316 Lidane  Aug 20, 2014 9:27:23pm

re: #289 freetoken

America has a gun problem.

America has a lot of problems, not the least of which is the Idiocracy Problem. We have too many otherwise smart people who have allowed themselves to get stupid because of what they see on TV and hear on the radio.

I have friends from high school that are doing the HURR DURR OBUMMER PLAYED GOLF AFTER ISIS KILLED AN AMERICAN dance. I’m half tempted to ask if he went and hit the links before or after he ordered drone strikes on ISIS or before or after the US mission to try and save Foley.

317 BeachDem  Aug 20, 2014 9:28:05pm

re: #290 HappyWarrior

We do and the politicians who admit get thrashed with ads by the gun orgs and companies that have tons of money. Another brilliant byproduct of citizens united. Thanks again Justice Roberts.

And I talked until I was hoarse in 2004 to try to convince people that whatever else Bush would do if given a second term, what he’d do to the Supreme Court would adversely affect all of our lives for the next 25 years minimum.

I remember election night in 2004—I was on the phone with my friends in Ohio who were poll watchers—watching the bullshit going on, mostly thanks to Ken Blackwell. Don’t get me started—I could go on all night!

318 freetoken  Aug 20, 2014 9:28:37pm

re: #308 HappyWarrior

The whole shift in American society around many issues has been one towards reactionism against what I consider a harmonious society. I wonder if there is an emergent anti-civilization movement popping up, a sort of, for lack of a better word, analog to Dadaism but instead of being anti-nationalist now we’re seeing anti-society.

Logic and reason are scorned on our popular outlets like twitter and blogs. What prevails are emotions. For all the words so many writers type there is an underlying disorder, a need to rebel but not just against one’s parents but against any notion of a cooperative society.

These nutjobs who like walking into fast-food places bearing high powered rifles are making quite the statement about their narcissism and fantasy. What they are shouting loudly is “I don’t need you, because I have my gun. Try to take it away from me and I will kill you.”

319 HappyWarrior  Aug 20, 2014 9:32:08pm

re: #318 freetoken

The whole shift in American society around many issues has been one towards reactionism against what I consider a harmonious society. I wonder if there is an emergent anti-civilization movement popping up, a sort of, for lack of a better word, analog to Dadaism but instead of being anti-nationalist now we’re seeing anti-society.

Logic and reason are scorned on our popular outlets like twitter and blogs. What prevails are emotions. For all the words so many writers type there is an underlying disorder, a need to rebel but not just against one’s parents but against any notion of a cooperative society.

These nutjobs who like walking into fast-food places bearing high powered rifles are making quite the statement about their narcissism and fantasy. What they are shouting loudly is “I don’t need you, because I have my gun. Try to take it away from me and I will kill you.”

I like your points about anti-society. That’s very true. We’ve got a large number of people who have convinced themselves that they don’t need to contribute to society to make things work. The whole anti-all taxes movement and the whole attack on any investment in the people thing for example and the idiots who think they made it themselves through their own hard work. I think Obama nearly got at that point when he did the what the Romney campaign tried to dishonestly claim as the president saying people didn’t build their success. When in actuality what he was saying is you didn’t do it alone.

320 HappyWarrior  Aug 20, 2014 9:32:44pm

re: #317 BeachDem

And I talked until I was hoarse in 2004 to try to convince people that whatever else Bush would do if given a second term, what he’d do to the Supreme Court would adversely affect all of our lives for the next 25 years minimum.

I remember election night in 2004—I was on the phone with my friends in Ohio who were poll watchers—watching the bullshit going on, mostly thanks to Ken Blackwell. Don’t get me started—I could go on all night!

Agh I don’t even want to think about that. that was a tough night for me. That was the end of my days as an idealist.

321 Charles Johnson  Aug 20, 2014 9:35:30pm

re: #310 ausador

therightscoop.com

Note that this is already two days old so…

Yes, it’s two days old, which means it’s complete crap or the media would have picked up on it.

322 klys  Aug 20, 2014 9:35:40pm

There are far too many people where I am forced to wonder if they have read anything about this case at all.

And if they have, if they have any kind of critical thinking faculties whatsoever.

323 BeachDem  Aug 20, 2014 9:37:22pm

re: #320 HappyWarrior

Agh I don’t even want to think about that. that was a tough night for me. That was the end of my days as an idealist.

I’m so sad to hear that. For me it was just another in a series of crushing defeats, but if it’s any consolation, I’m old, and yet I still have some optimism left (hey, I live in South Carolina and still believe we might elect a Democratic governor!)

324 HappyWarrior  Aug 20, 2014 9:37:48pm

re: #322 klys

There are far too many people where I am forced to wonder if they have read anything about this case at all.

And if they have, if they have any kind of critical thinking faculties whatsoever.

It brings to mind the Benghazi polls where the people who were most outraged about it couldn’t even tell you what continent Benghazi was in. They just knew they wanted Obama’s head over it.

325 Jocko's Rocket Ship  Aug 20, 2014 9:38:54pm

re: #299 KingKenrod

I don’t know what your point is. The cops could have done a ton of things to avoid his execution, but they did none of these. he didn’t “charge” them. They came up guns drawn (and he had a knife you say, not a gun, so just retreat a little ) and just blasted him like it was part of their quota. Why defend it in any way?

The UK police haven’t killed a person in two years. Maybe we should be looking at why. And you’re not helping it defending a quick-to-kill mentality here in the US. 15 fucking seconds.

326 HappyWarrior  Aug 20, 2014 9:39:29pm

re: #323 BeachDem

I’m so sad to hear that. For me it was just another in a series of crushing defeats, but if it’s any consolation, I’m old, and yet I still have some optimism left (hey, I live in South Carolina and still believe we might elect a Democratic governor!)

It’s all for the best. I approach the world better as a realist than I did as an idealist. If I were still idealistic, I would have been disappointed with Obama the minute he made one concession on HCR. As a realist, I see the bigger picture now. But sometimes I still wish I had some of that idealism but back to that night, it was seeing and knowing that Bush and his guys used homophobia to get out their base to vote for his re-election. Plus the slanderous smears on now Secretary Kerry’s military service record.

327 GlutenFreeJesus  Aug 20, 2014 9:40:45pm

re: #299 KingKenrod

The guy had a knife, and approached the cops twice after being warned to drop the weapon.

It’s a shame the cops didn’t wait for backup or plan a different method of confronting an obviously mentally disturbed person. Once they had their guns drawn, it was all over.

The cops claim he had a knife.

328 freetoken  Aug 20, 2014 9:40:56pm

re: #319 HappyWarrior

The appeal to narcissism that has been perfected through decades of marketing research is really strong in politics these days.

All those adverts for luxury products, that you “deserve” this or that, isn’t really about “this or that”. What it’s about is taking people back to their days as infants when they were the center of attention by their parents.

But history, if it has any value, tells us that governance is hard and it exists to keep society on a building track, not a destroying track.

You mention the tax thing, and it is really telling that the GOP now is so anti-tax that the taxes Republicans themselves used to push are now seen as non-Republican.

It’s not a coincidence that the idiots cheering the shootings of black teenagers in Ferguson are also the ones who whine so much about supposedly being oppressed by Obama. It’s not just a racist thing, but also a statement about not wanting to live in the society we’ve built.

These people really do want to secede from our modern society. A few of them will pick up and move to some great fantasy land - Idaho or Montana maybe - but most are just stewing in their chairs and being driven to emotional outbursts by forces who will manipulate them for their own benefit ($).

329 De Kolta Chair  Aug 20, 2014 9:41:32pm

re: #313 HappyWarrior

Ah, okay. That’s too bad really. It’s a good thing he never had high aspirations I guess.

I for one look forward to LMAOing when Track Palin runs for President on the Socialist Labor Party of America ticket. Hey, ya never know.

330 HappyWarrior  Aug 20, 2014 9:42:41pm

re: #329 De Kolta Chair

I for one look forward to LMAOing when Track Palin runs for President on the Socialist Labor Party of America ticket.

Now that would be rich.

331 Rightwingconspirator  Aug 20, 2014 9:43:00pm

re: #315 teleskiguy

Hey Shiplord, judging from your upding you’re cool with the tweet. So it stands! And it goes in my Favorites (tweets that get into my Favorites have to go through a rather rigorous screening process).

Nice. There is another ethical principle that applies. Use the minimum necessary force to defend. The challenge posed is to do the least amount of harm and still protect yourself and the innocent. All too often the gun is the “easy” way out in the awful perceptions of the short sighted policy maker. The harder way is a lot more training for our police in arrest methods. More tools that are less lethal than guns. As silly as it sounds, a Roman soldier with his short sword could have easily dealt with Powell and not killed him. Now I’m not suggesting we issue sword to police but options abound besides just guns.

332 Shiplord Kirel  Aug 20, 2014 9:45:02pm

re: #297 teleskiguy

Hey, is this cool Shiplord?

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Very cool indeed. Thank you.

(Sorry I didn’t respond sooner, had to attend to something)

333 HappyWarrior  Aug 20, 2014 9:46:08pm

I think what makes people so willing to kill is this culture of dehumanization. I don’t know what’s behind that myself. I think FT gets at it some when he discusses this incredible narcissism that does exist. Honestly, although it goes against common western thinking, I’d like to see a mindset where people think more about not what’s merely good for them but everyone. I’m all for individual ambition- without it I never would have gotten my degree and lost the weight that I did but there’s too many people who think that they are better than other people. Whether it’s because of political ideology, skin color, religion, or what, it’s causing too much tragedy.

334 austin_blue  Aug 20, 2014 9:49:14pm

Ballistics, like gravity, is the law. The only way a bullet could enter the top of that child’s head and exit through his eye socket, given that he was over six feet tall, was if he was on his knees, leaned completely over, with his chin tucked into his chest.

Period.

That was a kill shot delivered into a helpless, unarmed human being.

If that is not a pretty good definition of a homicide, I don’t know what is.

Nothing else really matters. The cop shot an unarmed kid through the head and killed him.

Burn the motherfucker down.

335 Single-handed sailor  Aug 20, 2014 9:50:25pm

re: #282 Jocko’s Rocket Ship

I just saw the video of the “other” police shooting in Ferguson in recent days. It’s actually pretty clear-cut appalling as it’s all on video. A young black man acting a little erratic, just shoplifted two drinks, places them on the sidewalk, waits for police. Police come, he says “shoot me” as he walks towards them still at a fair distance arms on the side and no weapon present (that can be seen) , and they shoot him multiple times and kill him, then cuff him. About 15 seconds on the scene until the kill. Guns drawn from the start. Nothing done to calm the situation, just blam.

It blows my mind that this country thinks that is acceptable action by our police. But it’s celebrating by 30% of us.

It’s at VOX if you want to view it.

I was listening to the scanner today and we had a similar incident. A man was in front of the hospital walking on the sidewalk with a tire iron in his hand and threatening hospital staff. I wondered how will WCPD handle this? I was expecting a Tasing because WCPD loves their Tasers, nah, officer wrestled him to the ground and handcuffed him. Code 4 one in custody. WTF is St. Louis’ problem?

336 abolitionist  Aug 20, 2014 9:52:09pm

re: #254 Charles Johnson

A Facebook post claiming that Dorian Johnson “recanted” his statements and now says Michael Brown did attack Wilson.

There’s no real source for it. Just the wingnut grapevine.

re: #255 Charles Johnson

It’s all over the right wing fringe sites, which means it will probably show up at Gateway Pundit any minute.

Considering all that crazy hyper-intimidation —do as I say or die —that’s been on display in Ferguson over the last 10 days, I’m thinking it’s not at all out of character for the FPD to have applied some of that to Dorian Johnson and the shop owner, very early on, in regard to statements about the cigars.

The FPD made a point of reporting not even being able to find Mr. Johnson for several days, as the reason they had not yet interviewed him, and that seemed very odd.

So if DJ comes out soon with a public statement about MB attacking officer Wilson, of the sort that will make headlines on FoxNews, I’m going to remain skeptical.

337 Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 20, 2014 9:53:33pm

Given all the supposed witness accounts of the event, I have concluded Michael Brown must have moonwalked away from officer Wilson.

338 Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 20, 2014 9:54:32pm

I wonder if I could start my own right wing meme…

339 De Kolta Chair  Aug 20, 2014 9:54:48pm

re: #334 austin_blue

Burn the motherfucker down.

Burn down the town they live and work in? Are you nuts?

340 austin_blue  Aug 20, 2014 9:56:02pm

re: #339 De Kolta Chair

Burn down the town they live and work in? Are you nuts?

No, the cop.

341 simoom  Aug 20, 2014 9:56:47pm

re: #316 Lidane

Apparently ISIS also demanded a ransom of $100 million (some EU countries have previously paid similarly outrageous sums). I’m guessing it was dismissed outright, and that clearly was the right call for a whole host of reasons, but you have to imagine the burden of such decisions still weigh heavily.

342 De Kolta Chair  Aug 20, 2014 9:57:32pm

re: #340 austin_blue

No, the cop.

Not to defend the schmuck, but kill someone before they’ve had a fair trial?

How is that any different than what the cop did?

343 blueraven  Aug 20, 2014 9:58:10pm

re: #327 GlutenFreeJesus

The cops claim he had a knife.

He did have a knife.
But was killing him the only option? I don’t think so.

Whatever happened to non-lethal methods; mace, pepper spray, tasers, back-up forces?
It is a trigger happy police force.
Hell, it is a trigger happy country.

Laws, police training, attitudes need to change.

344 teleskiguy  Aug 20, 2014 9:58:15pm

I’m in my 30s and have gone through at least four or five political transformations, I have no fucking clue.

One thing I do know is that hardcore “conservative” points of view are infantile, backward, intolerant, and divorced from reality.

345 blueraven  Aug 20, 2014 9:59:04pm

re: #342 De Kolta Chair

Not to defend the schmuck, but kill someone before they’ve had a fair trial?

Pretty sure that was a figure of speech.

346 Mentis Fugit  Aug 20, 2014 10:00:48pm

re: #289 freetoken

America has a gun problem.

Guns are a hell of a drug.

347 Jocko's Rocket Ship  Aug 20, 2014 10:00:56pm

re: #327 GlutenFreeJesus

Yeah, it’s not evident the he has a knife in the video, but maybe he had a small one in his hand. But to correct the other person’s account, the video shows him more circling the cops than approaching the them.

I’d like to see evidence of a knife, but even so, it’s deplorable.

But I suspect this will be a big deal tomorrow. That when you shine a light on these areas, a lot of other shit that shows itself pretty fast.

348 De Kolta Chair  Aug 20, 2014 10:02:25pm

re: #345 blueraven

Pretty sure that was a figure of speech.

Frankly, I don’t see how that sort of talk gets anyone anywhere closer to the truth.

It goes without saying that it’s a highly emotional time, but Jesus H. WTF.

349 WhatEVs  Aug 20, 2014 10:03:37pm

re: #335 Single-handed sailor

I was listening to the scanner today and we had a similar incident. A man was in front of the hospital walking on the sidewalk with a tire iron in his hand and threatening hospital staff. I wondered how will WCPD handle this? I was expecting a Tasing because WCPD loves their Tasers, nah, officer wrestled him to the ground and handcuffed him. Code 4 one in custody. WTF is St. Louis’ problem?

Cops think they’re god. They think they’re above the law. They think they make the law. They stopped serving the community and look at citizens as enemy combatants.

350 austin_blue  Aug 20, 2014 10:03:40pm

re: #342 De Kolta Chair

Not to defend the schmuck, but kill someone before they’ve had a fair trial?

How is that any different than what the cop did?

Golly, hyperbole is lost on you isn’t it?

Recant: burn the motherfucker down.

Replace: arrest, indict, and convict the murdering motherfucker.

Better?

351 De Kolta Chair  Aug 20, 2014 10:06:56pm

re: #350 austin_blue

Golly, hyperbole is lost on you isn’t it?

Recant: burn the motherfucker down.

Replace: arrest, indict, and convict the murdering motherfucker.

Better?

When you put it that way, yes.

As for hyperbole, I’m sick and tired of hyperbole. Reality is bad enough as it is.

Anyway, good night.

352 Single-handed sailor  Aug 20, 2014 10:08:19pm

re: #349 WhatEVs

Cops think they’re god. They think they’re above the law. They think they make the law. They stopped serving the community and look at citizens as enemy combatants.

I don’t know where you live. The police here are professional and well trained. I guess it’s one of the benefits of living in SF Bay Area.

353 Decatur Deb  Aug 20, 2014 10:11:19pm

re: #307 De Kolta Chair

Ms. Lincoln was a Republican, and the more I learn about her the more I think her problem was her selfish racist son, Robert.

Don’t have her voter registration, but she was raised in a slave-owning family and her half brothers fought and died for the Confederacy. One of them ran the guards at Libby POW prison, a fore-runner of Andersonville.

So, a luke-warm Republican at best.

354 ausador  Aug 20, 2014 10:19:40pm

re: #321 Charles Johnson

Yes, it’s two days old, which means it’s complete crap or the media would have picked up on it.

You know what all of this is reminding me of, that university team sports forum post that the NY Post ran with about Benghazi.

Guy on a sports forum says he heard from one of his (anonymous) buddies overseas that they got a stand down order and that post commander refused it. The commander was then arrested by his second in command who ensured the stand down was enforced blah blah blah…

Ridiculous right? Yet the New York Post ran the story without verifying anything or even identifying the man who made the forum post.

Just like they ran with dim Jim’s story of the broken eye socket today.

How can you argue with and battle for public opinion against a group of people who simply make up their own “facts” as required in order to advance their agenda?

Journalists practicing journalism used to be our primary protection against this, but now it looks like we are on our own.

355 WhatEVs  Aug 20, 2014 10:21:59pm

re: #352 Single-handed sailor

After watching an obviously mentally Ill guy get shot dead in his tracks today and the cops handcuffing his corpse, I’ve gone from being uber respectful and respecting of police to finding them disgusting beyond words. Reading PoliceOne makes me violently Ill.

These are the reality of today’s police. Officer Friendly is dead and buried. And I’ve apparently become a 60s hippy because these pigs need to go.

Edited for clarity.

356 Lancelot Link  Aug 20, 2014 10:24:11pm

re: #352 Single-handed sailor

I don’t know where you live. The police here are professional and well trained. I guess it’s one of the benefits of living in SF Bay Area.

True for some parts of the SF Bay Area, not so much for others.

357 klys  Aug 20, 2014 10:27:51pm

re: #355 WhatEVs

After watching an obviously mentally Ill guy get shot dead in his tracks today and the cops handcuffing his corpse, I’ve gone from being uber respectful and respecting of police to finding them disgusting beyond words. Reading PoliceOne makes me violently Ill.

These are the reality of today’s police. Officer Friendly is dead and buried. And I’ve apparently become a 60s hippy because these pigs need to go.

PoliceOne represents all police like the Three Percenters represent all Republicans.

Are there shitty cops? Yes. There are also good cops. I’m still pro-treating each interaction with police as individuals while recognizing that there are some serious, systemic issues that need to be addressed.

358 Single-handed sailor  Aug 20, 2014 10:29:47pm

re: #355 WhatEVs

After watching an obviously mentally I’ll guy get shot dead in his tracks today and the cops handcuffing his corpse, I’ve gone from being uber respectful and respected of police. Reading PoliceOne makes me violently Ill.

These are the reality of today’s police. Officer Friendly is dead and buried. And I’ve apparently become a 60s hippy because these pigs need to go.

Like I said in my anecdote about WCPD, WTF is wrong with SLPD. That wasn’t the way to handle it. If it was here he’d have been Tasered and taken into custody. That professional, well trained, humanistic attitude is missing in many police forces.

359 BeachDem  Aug 20, 2014 10:30:31pm

re: #334 austin_blue

Ballistics, like gravity, is the law. The only way a bullet could enter the top of that child’s head and exit through his eye socket, given that he was over six feet tall, was if he was on his knees, leaned completely over, with his chin tucked into his chest.

Period.

That was a kill shot delivered into a helpless, unarmed human being.

If that is not a pretty good definition of a homicide, I don’t know what is.

Nothing else really matters. The cop shot an unarmed kid through the head and killed him.

Burn the motherfucker down.

And that’s exactly how this eyewitness described it.

(Video—Eyewitness, Brown fell toward officer)

Brady: He turns around—he’s facing the officer—He had his arms balled up under his stomach like he was halfway down, like he was going down, and the officer fired like 3 or 4 shots at him. ..Before he went down, he was already like this (bends over, head down) and he took like one or two steps toward the officer, and he let go, like 3 or 4 more shots at him

Cooper:—so it was your impression that he was falling down…the officer…they say Mike Brown was running toward the officer. Did you see him running toward the officer in any way?

Brady: No, no—not after he was running away—no, not at all, like I said…he looked like he was going down, like he was giving up, like oh, I’m hit…

360 WhatEVs  Aug 20, 2014 10:34:24pm

re: #357 klys

PoliceOne represents all police like the Three Percenters represent all Republicans.

Are there shitty cops? Yes. There are also good cops. I’m still pro-treating each interaction with police as individuals while recognizing that there are some serious, systemic issues that need to be addressed.

I wish I had faith that systemic issues could be addressed. I don’t.

361 ausador  Aug 20, 2014 10:42:26pm

Haunted…

362 Decatur Deb  Aug 20, 2014 10:42:31pm

Ferguson has almost disappeared from the Google News front page. Quiet night?

363 ausador  Aug 20, 2014 10:50:26pm

Very, only a handful of people still out, probably the quietest night since this started.

364 ausador  Aug 20, 2014 10:55:22pm

Or to put it another way “Team A” won tonight…

In Ferguson, different kinds of protesters

FERGUSON, Mo. — Each night on the streets of this city, the nation’s latest symbol of racial unrest, there are two waves of protesters. Call them the A team and the B team…

365 GlutenFreeJesus  Aug 20, 2014 11:11:43pm

re: #361 ausador

366 BeachDem  Aug 20, 2014 11:13:13pm

For anyone who wanted to see the LOD piece about the bad reporting in the NY Times article, it’s up now. It also includes the video interview of Anderson Cooper with the eyewitness, Brady, that I roughly transcribed above.

It’s The Rewrite video:

msnbc.com

367 Jenner7  Aug 20, 2014 11:22:40pm
368 BeachDem  Aug 20, 2014 11:22:50pm

The Arch City Defenders report on St. Louis Municipal Courts and their pattern of using traffic fines both as steady cash generators and as gateways for criminalizing the poverty of their citizens.

According to the report, Ferguson makes 2.6 million dollars a year from court fees. In 2013, the court “disposed of 24,532 warrants and 12,018 cases, or about 3 warrants and 1.5 cases per household.”

There’s your smoking gun. If it seems the town of Ferguson sees protesters as something less than human and more like cattle that have escaped their pen, it may be because the town has been “farming” their mostly-black population as a vital source of revenue for a good long time. In Ferguson, a ticket for jaywalking can be the gateway to repeated jail stays, homelessness, and a lifetime of poverty.

dailykos.com

369 Jenner7  Aug 20, 2014 11:23:35pm

re: #363 ausador

Which is heartbreaking. The police are hoping this will quietly go away and if the crowds go, I’m afraid it will.

370 BeachDem  Aug 20, 2014 11:23:57pm

re: #367 Jenner7

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Thanks—glad to see that, and now I’m going to finally go to sleep.

Oops, one more thing:

The grand jury has convened on Officer Wilson. 12 jurors, only 3 of them African-Americans.

371 ausador  Aug 20, 2014 11:28:36pm

re: #366 BeachDem

For anyone who wanted to see the LOD piece about the bad reporting in the NY Times article, it’s up now. It also includes the video interview of Anderson Cooper with the eyewitness, Brady, that I roughly transcribed above.

It’s The Rewrite video:

msnbc.com

Embedded:

Video

372 ausador  Aug 20, 2014 11:33:34pm

re: #369 Jenner7

Which is heartbreaking. The police are hoping this will quietly go away and if the crowds go, I’m afraid it will.

They can’t keep it forever, some will continue for a while yet though, the rest of the people will be back once something changes, like a grand jury indictment/arrest or failure to indict.

373 BeachDem  Aug 20, 2014 11:36:35pm

re: #371 ausador

Embedded:

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Well aren’t you fancy! (Thanks)

374 Swift2991  Aug 21, 2014 12:01:23am

I looked at the other killing video too; depressing. I don’t think they were wrong given their choices as I understand them; there was a young man, likely hearing voices in his head, who wanted to commit suicide by cop, and they were not prepared to do anything else. But what the man needed was some access to psychiatric care, pretty plainly. Our jails are full of the mentally ill. And a fair number of those who meet their end in the street really just need some tranquilizer and a talk to a therapist about their problems.

375 goddamnedfrank  Aug 21, 2014 12:34:25am

Travis Morales looks like the mirror universe version of Gary Burghoff / Radar O’Reilly.

376 Shvaughn  Aug 21, 2014 12:51:01am

re: #347 Jocko’s Rocket Ship

Yeah, it’s not evident the he has a knife in the video, but maybe he had a small one in his hand. But to correct the other person’s account, the video shows him more circling the cops than approaching the them.

I’d like to see evidence of a knife, but even so, it’s deplorable.

But I suspect this will be a big deal tomorrow. That when you shine a light on these areas, a lot of other shit that shows itself pretty fast.

The most damning thing is how the initial police story doesn’t match with the video evidence.

Also, we need a better way to deal with the mentally ill besides executing them in the street like dogs.

377 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Aug 21, 2014 12:52:56am

re: #376 Shvaughn

The most damning thing is how the initial police story doesn’t match with the video evidence.

Also, we need a better way to deal with the mentally ill besides executing them in the street like dogs.

These people are used to saying whatever they think is necessary and not having it challenged. Ferguson really threw a wrench into that system.

378 Shvaughn  Aug 21, 2014 12:55:05am

re: #352 Single-handed sailor

I don’t know where you live. The police here are professional and well trained. I guess it’s one of the benefits of living in SF Bay Area.

I’m pretty sure Oscar Grant would disagree.

Except of course he can’t, because he’s dead.

379 Varek Raith  Aug 21, 2014 12:55:51am

In non-depressing news…

Fully Functional 1KB Hard Drive in Vanilla Minecraft
imgur.com

380 Odie Hugh Manatee  Aug 21, 2014 1:15:31am

I was thinking that one way the cop could have been injured (if indeed he was) was if he grabbed Michael, pulled him in towards the vehicle and was pulling his gun at the same time. If Michael saw the gun being pulled he may have had a leverage advantage by pushing off of the car to try to get away from it all. A guy his size is going to have a big advantage while pushing off of the car and if the cop refused to let go he may have been pulled towards the interior and injured himself when he hit it. With one hand on Michael and the other on his gun, he wouldn’t be able to keep his upper body from being slammed into the interior when Michael was trying frantically to escape the guy he sees pulling a gun on him. If that is the case, I could see where the cop was angered into responding as he did.

Just one thought that came to mind thinking about this mess.


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#Thegreatpoolpondconversion - 210411The pumps are pumping along. Like they always should have.They go on when the sun comes out, they go off in the clouds and at night.We barely pay attention to their functioning and now can focus on the sight and ...
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AFI - Dulcería (Official Music Video) "Dulcería" comes from AFI’s new album, Bodies, out June 11. Available for preorder everywhere now: riserecords.lnk.to ​ Directed by Adam Mason, produced by Elizabeth Mason LYRICSI saw sugar there, dancing in the sweet air. When my eyes began to ...
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The Shaolin Afronauts - Winds Across Gayanamede (Live at Adelaide Festival Centre) Recorded 21 January 2012 at Adelaide Festival Centre, Adelaide, Australia. Winds Across Gayanamede is taken from the second album from The Shaolin Afronauts; Quest Under Capricorn. The album drops 16 July on vinyl, CD and digital download via Freestyle ...
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#Thegreatpoolpondconversion - 210404Did you spend all week thinking about solar power and pumps? We didn't either.A week of flawless electrics and hydraulics.The first few days we went out to check on it like hourly.Now we don't even think about itThe proof of ...
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Foster the People - Lamb’s Wool (Official Music Video) Official animated music video for Foster The People's single 'Lamb's Wool' off of their most recent EP 'In The Darkest Of Nights, Let The Birds Sing'. Listen to 'Lamb's Wool' here: stem.ffm.to Listen to 'Lamb's Wool (with Poolside)' here: ...
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Talk Talk - It’s My Life (Live at Montreux 1986) Live at Montreux 1986 is a concert video release by the British synth pop band Talk Talk of a concert at 1986 Montreux Jazz Festival in Switzerland. The show was part of a tour that started in April 1986 ...
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KALEO - Skinny [OFFICIAL LYRIC VIDEO] Music and Lyrics by JJ Julius SonNew song “Skinny" available now: kaleo.lnk.toFrom the upcoming album Surface Sounds out 4/23: kaleo.lnk.to What makes you feel good?What makes you angry inside? Why don’t you love me?You want to fuck me or ...
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Hania Rani - Live From Studio S2 Listen to 'Live from Studio S2': hania-rani.lnk.to The full live set video was premiered on the evening before the annual Piano Day worldwide celebrations (March 29th). The motivation to make the recording of the live performances which became the ...
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