Did Michael Brown’s Friend Dorian Johnson “Recant” His Story? No, He Did Not

Another lie circulated by the right
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A rumor began circulating through the third-string wingnut blogs two days ago that Michael Brown’s friend Dorian Johnson, who was with Brown when he was gunned down by officer Darren Wilson, had “recanted” his account of the events and admitted Brown did attack Wilson in his police car.

Before this bogus rumor ends up on Gateway Pundit, as so many bogus rumors do, here’s a definitive refutation posted tonight on Twitter by Washington Post reporter Wesley Lowery, citing Johnson’s attorney:

It still may end up being touted as fact in the right wing blogosphere because that’s how they roll, but here’s the truth, for the record.

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426 comments

1 Shvaughn  Aug 21, 2014 1:12:23am

Yeah. The truth really doesn’t matter to those people.

2 Shvaughn  Aug 21, 2014 1:17:29am

Again, the question is, if this is how they treat the media when the cameras are rolling and the nation (or even the world) is watching, how do they treat black people all the time when there are no cameras?

3 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Aug 21, 2014 1:19:39am

Police could have issued a full and comprehensive report of the incident, but they had no interest in letting the facts get out, they just want a trickle of information/disinformation that will keep such a buzz around the hornet’s nest that nobody can get close to finding out what actually happened.

I am not interested in any speculation beyond what is known and confirmed about the incident: a policeman shot an unarmed young man at least six times.

4 Shazam  Aug 21, 2014 1:49:04am

I for one was sad when cracked.com, an otherwise reputable news organization, put out an article on Ferguson and got some things wrong.

5 Charles Johnson  Aug 21, 2014 2:06:09am
6 Kragar  Aug 21, 2014 2:35:29am

Orbital Floor Fractures - The University of Texas Medical Branch at Galveston
April 11, 2007

Take a look at the picture on page 8

7 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Aug 21, 2014 2:35:44am

Apparently a real video.

Youtube Video

8 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Aug 21, 2014 2:43:07am

re: #4 Shazam

I for one was sad when cracked.com, an otherwise reputable news organization, put out an article on Ferguson and got some things wrong.

I found an article there, and it described a “CT” that Brown didn’t steal the cigars. As an example, they linked to Lew Rockwell’s site, where a blogger cast doubt on the theft. I found it interesting, because usually I expect the Rockwellites to follow the “racialist” vector.

9 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Aug 21, 2014 3:51:40am

re: #4 Shazam

I for one was sad when cracked.com, an otherwise reputable news organization, put out an article on Ferguson and got some things wrong.

I always thought cracked.com was a satirical magazine, one that originated as a Mad magazine knockoff. I never looked at it as a source of news.

10 A Mom Anon  Aug 21, 2014 3:55:01am

I follow several arts and crafts pages on facebook. Early this morning after everyone was asleep (of course) someone hit up one of them with links to conservative tree house because the woman who runs that page had linked to something in support of the people of Ferguson. Using words like “thug”, “criminal” and “animal”. The page owner hasn’t seen it yet, but seriously? You have to shit on a craft/decorating page?

It’s happened before this mess too. On quilting and sewing pages, leaving links to some nonsense from the usual suspects. FFS, there’s no escaping this shit. It’s CRAFTING and SEWING .I’ve had to unfollow at least a dozen “friends” and other liked pages since the cops killed this kid.

I swear, this shows me precisely why I consider my dog a better friend than almost any human I know.

11 andres  Aug 21, 2014 4:16:34am

re: #4 Shazam

I for one was sad when cracked.com, an otherwise reputable news organization, put out an article on Ferguson and got some things wrong.

You mean this one?

That’s something (else) that saddens me: The Daily Show, Cracked, and other comedy places are more concerned about accuracy than the own news crews.

12 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 21, 2014 4:33:41am

re: #10 A Mom Anon

I follow several arts and crafts pages on facebook. Early this morning after everyone was asleep (of course) someone hit up one of them with links to conservative tree house because the woman who runs that page had linked to something in support of the people of Ferguson. Using words like “thug”, “criminal” and “animal”. The page owner hasn’t seen it yet, but seriously? You have to shit on a craft/decorating page?

It’s happened before this mess too. On quilting and sewing pages, leaving links to some nonsense from the usual suspects. FFS, there’s no escaping this shit. It’s CRAFTING and SEWING .I’ve had to unfollow at least a dozen “friends” and other liked pages since the cops killed this kid.

I swear, this shows me precisely why I consider my dog a better friend than almost any human I know.

I have Twitter for Teh Derp but FB is for my family, period. I see that some of my kids have friends who are full of derp.

My son is posting a whole shitload of “ice bucket” videos which are mostly lame, but once in a while you see one that kicks ass.

13 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 21, 2014 4:41:45am

Welp, I just got a spam email for something that I might actually want to buy.

The Thomas Jefferson Bible.

14 William Barnett-Lewis  Aug 21, 2014 4:46:29am

re: #13 Pie-onist Overlord

Welp, I just got a spam email for something that I might actually want to buy.

The Thomas Jefferson Bible.

It’s pretty neat blows wingnut minds too!

15 FemNaziBitch  Aug 21, 2014 4:58:59am

re: #11 andres

You mean this one?

That’s something (else) that saddens me: The Daily Show, Cracked, and other comedy places are more concerned about accuracy than the own news crews.

HA!

#1. Don’t Believe ANY of the Tweets from Reporters

Read more: cracked.com

16 FemNaziBitch  Aug 21, 2014 5:00:22am

re: #14 William Barnett-Lewis

It’s pretty neat blows wingnut minds too!

This one, by Mark Twain, can also do that.

17 FemNaziBitch  Aug 21, 2014 5:00:44am

It’s morning, it’s dark AND it’s raining.

you?

18 Dr. Matt  Aug 21, 2014 5:01:47am
19 FemNaziBitch  Aug 21, 2014 5:05:06am
20 FemNaziBitch  Aug 21, 2014 5:09:23am
21 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 21, 2014 5:12:19am
22 FemNaziBitch  Aug 21, 2014 5:20:21am
23 FemNaziBitch  Aug 21, 2014 5:21:45am
24 HappyWarrior  Aug 21, 2014 5:24:39am

re: #22 FemNaziBitch

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Yep. That’s been FNC’s model from the get go.

25 FemNaziBitch  Aug 21, 2014 5:25:15am
26 FemNaziBitch  Aug 21, 2014 5:28:09am

As promised a while back before my computer went wonky.

Feral Girl’s first time at the playground.

27 Dr. Matt  Aug 21, 2014 5:28:24am

BEES

28 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 21, 2014 5:30:15am

re: #27 Dr. Matt

BEES

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So, there is this big old hornet’s nest hanging from a crab apple tree right in front of the building where I work.

29 FemNaziBitch  Aug 21, 2014 5:31:47am

30 Dr. Matt  Aug 21, 2014 5:40:25am

Science trumps Trump:

31 Lidane  Aug 21, 2014 5:49:33am

TPM has picked up the thread about the RCP being in Ferguson:

What The Heck Is The ‘Revolutionary Communist Party’ Doing In Ferguson?

32 William Barnett-Lewis  Aug 21, 2014 5:56:57am

re: #16 FemNaziBitch

This one, by Mark Twain, can also do that.

I prefer The War Prayer for that purpose by Twain.

33 William Barnett-Lewis  Aug 21, 2014 5:57:40am

re: #17 FemNaziBitch

It’s morning, it’s dark AND it’s raining.

you?

Same. Same. & Same. :(

35 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Aug 21, 2014 6:03:19am
36 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Aug 21, 2014 6:05:28am

Ukranian Roulette?

37 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Aug 21, 2014 6:07:09am

re: #36 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Sorta. What passes for family-friendly entertainment in Putin’s Russia.

38 FemNaziBitch  Aug 21, 2014 6:09:27am

re: #35 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

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Not one of those girls looks happy.

39 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Aug 21, 2014 6:09:37am

re: #37 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

Sorta. What passes for family-friendly entertainment in Putin’s Russia.

Control the mass media and you control the masses. Every authoritarian knows that.

40 FemNaziBitch  Aug 21, 2014 6:10:07am

re: #39 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Control the mass media and you control the masses. Every authoritarian knows that.

Condition girls to be objects … .

41 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Aug 21, 2014 6:11:18am

re: #38 FemNaziBitch

Not one of those girls looks happy.

To be fair, at this moment they’re not supposed to, an angel comes later and saves Ukraine from suicide.

42 Schadenboner  Aug 21, 2014 6:11:23am

re: #35 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

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Tsarist propaganda without even a single perfidious jew.

The Russians are slipping.

43 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Aug 21, 2014 6:11:28am

re: #40 FemNaziBitch

Condition girls to be objects … .

Honey Buk-Buk!

44 Flounder  Aug 21, 2014 6:11:56am

re: #35 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

wtf. they are holding pistols. wtf

45 b.d.  Aug 21, 2014 6:12:28am

re: #34 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

That’s awesome

46 b.d.  Aug 21, 2014 6:13:32am

re: #35 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

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Uncle Vlad can make us happy.

47 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Aug 21, 2014 6:14:02am

re: #42 Schadenboner

Tsarist propaganda without even a single perfidious jew.

The Russians are slipping.

I have read a bunch antisemitic old forum posts by Strelkov yesterday (not to mention “kill all fags” stuff), now I think I’ll make a page about the so-called Russian “antifascists” in “Novorossiya”, there is more than enough material…

48 Lidane  Aug 21, 2014 6:14:36am

This is adorable. Nick Gillespie over at The Daily Beast thinks that blah people are going to flock to libertarianism after the police fuckery in Ferguson:

The Libertarian Moment in Ferguson

Indeed, what Ferguson demonstrates is how tightly related abstract concerns libertarians have about the government’s power and the very real-life fears of police harassment that many African Americans have really are. So too are other issues of interest to both groups, ranging from school choice to sentencing reform to occupational licensing. As these sorts of newly recognized common causes filter through the culture, all sorts of new coalitions and possibilities can come to fruition.

49 Dr. Matt  Aug 21, 2014 6:14:48am

re: #35 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

GG is beaming with pride.

50 darthstar  Aug 21, 2014 6:15:58am
51 FemNaziBitch  Aug 21, 2014 6:16:19am

Speaking of SHOES!

52 darthstar  Aug 21, 2014 6:18:31am
53 Bulworth  Aug 21, 2014 6:19:06am

re:
#48

“Occupational licensing”? Whut?

54 Bubblehead II  Aug 21, 2014 6:19:09am

re: #51 FemNaziBitch

Speaking of SHOES!

GAAAHH!! Those thing are flat out fuggly and a $130.00 bucks???

55 darthstar  Aug 21, 2014 6:21:27am
56 b.d.  Aug 21, 2014 6:23:54am

So in the mind of John McCain and other wingnuts we should have armed the Syrian rebels, not the crazy ones, so they could take on Bashar AND ISIS at the same time?

Who exactly is this mythical group who is supposed to have taken on two armies at the same time with limited US supplied arms?

57 Feline Fearless Leader  Aug 21, 2014 6:24:04am

Good morning Lizards.

Some overcast and partially sunny here in Philadelphia. (New cubicle location 40 stories up gives a nice view to the western skies of Philly.)

Have reached saturation on the hollering, lies, and standard crapfest surrounding Ferguson. Limiting myself to only light dips into the media in order to maintain my sanity. (what little remains)

And tomorrow starts a two week vacation. :)

58 FemNaziBitch  Aug 21, 2014 6:25:05am

re: #54 Bubblehead II

GAAAHH!! Those thing are flat out fuggly and a $130.00 bucks???

I think they are adorable!

59 b.d.  Aug 21, 2014 6:29:22am

re: #54 Bubblehead II

GAAAHH!! Those thing are flat out fuggly and a $130.00 bucks???

If they priced them at $30 people would think that they were cheap and tacky but at $130 people are to think of them as risky and pushing the envelope.

60 Bubblehead II  Aug 21, 2014 6:30:48am

re: #58 FemNaziBitch

I think they are adorable!

ooooookay. *shudders*

61 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Aug 21, 2014 6:32:14am

re: #59 b.d.

If they priced them at $30 people would think that they were cheap and tacky but at $130 people are to think of them as risky and pushing the envelope.

If shoes were simply things to cover your feet and protect them from the elements, everybody would own 2-3 pairs and they would be priced according to what it cost to manufacture them.

But they are more than that to some of us. Enough of us to make it an industry and a way of life.

62 darthstar  Aug 21, 2014 6:32:41am
63 Bubblehead II  Aug 21, 2014 6:33:14am

re: #59 b.d.

If they priced them at $30 people would think that they were cheap and tacky but at $130 people are to think of them as risky and pushing the envelope.

Even worse

Alice + Olivia Stacey Flat
$129.94
Compare at $295.00

But then again, I am a guy, so what do I know about women’s fashions?

64 darthstar  Aug 21, 2014 6:33:43am

re: #56 b.d.

So in the mind of John McCain and other wingnuts we should have armed the Syrian rebels, not the crazy ones, so they could take on Bashar AND ISIS at the same time?

Who exactly is this mythical group who is supposed to have taken on two armies at the same time with limited US supplied arms?

ISIS was the Syrian rebels McCain wanted to arm.

65 darthstar  Aug 21, 2014 6:34:55am

re: #63 Bubblehead II

Even worse

Alice + Olivia Stacey Flat
$129.94
Compare at $295.00

But then again, I am a guy, so what do I know about women’s fashions?

Shut up and save $170 already.

66 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Aug 21, 2014 6:35:06am

67 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Aug 21, 2014 6:37:02am

re: #66 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

Putin making sure that sanctions aimed at oligarchs unduly inconvenience the masses…

68 darthstar  Aug 21, 2014 6:39:04am
69 darthstar  Aug 21, 2014 6:40:29am

re: #66 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

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Is that Russia or Ukraine? I grew up watching stories about Russian bread lines on TV. I thought, wow, they must have some awesome bread.

70 FemNaziBitch  Aug 21, 2014 6:41:55am

re: #61 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

If shoes were simply things to cover your feet and protect them from the elements, everybody would own 2-3 pairs and they would be priced according to what it cost to manufacture them.

But they are more than that to some of us. Enough of us to make it an industry and a way of life.

I have difficult to fit feet. Even worse when I was little. There was usually one shoe that would fit me every year when my parents too me to the “special” shoe store.

So, now that I can buy at normal stores, I want every pair …

71 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Aug 21, 2014 6:42:26am

re: #69 darthstar

Is that Russia or Ukraine? I grew up watching stories about Russian bread lines on TV. I thought, wow, they must have some awesome bread.

Russia, though the woman who had posted this later claimed that the next day the shelves were full again…

72 b.d.  Aug 21, 2014 6:42:52am

re: #64 darthstar

ISIS was the Syrian rebels McCain wanted to arm.

He found a new group to back once he found out that the bunch we wanted to be buddies with and give weapons to were worse than AlQueda:

Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) pressed for increasing aid to moderate rebel groups after meeting Syrian opposition leaders in Turkey Wednesday, warning that delays would “fuel the growing danger” to U.S. security.

McCain said pro-Western Syrian forces were fighting a “two-front war” against both Syrian strongman Bashar Assad and the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria (ISIS), a Sunni militant group that has captured huge swaths of both countries.

Read more: thehill.com
Follow us: @thehill on Twitter | TheHill on Facebook

Nothing could go wrong with this new plan!

73 FemNaziBitch  Aug 21, 2014 6:43:06am

OOOh, Brat Puppy just went after Feral Girl for what seemed like no reason. MEAN!!!

Hubby put him in for a long time out in the crate.

I think I’ll take advantage and go back to sleep for a few.

bbl

74 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Aug 21, 2014 6:43:35am

re: #69 darthstar

wow, they must have some awesome bread.

Or at least cake.

75 Decatur Deb  Aug 21, 2014 6:43:50am

Every time a feminist talks about shoes, a chauvinist gets his wingtips.

76 darthstar  Aug 21, 2014 6:43:59am

What FOX News racism?

ANDREA TANTAROS: If you study the history of Islam. Our ship captains were getting murdered. The French had to tip us off. I mean these were the days of Thomas Jefferson. They’ve been doing the same thing. This isn’t a surprise. You can’t solve it with a dialogue. You can’t solve it with a summit. You solve it with a bullet to the head. Its the only thing these people understand. And all we’ve heard from this president is a case to heap praise on this religion, as if to appease them.

77 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Aug 21, 2014 6:45:17am
78 darthstar  Aug 21, 2014 6:46:39am
79 GlutenFreeJesus  Aug 21, 2014 6:48:02am

re: #72 b.d.

He found a new group to back once he found out that the bunch we wanted to be buddies with and give weapons to were worse than AlQueda:

Nothing could go wrong with this new plan!

“Pro-Western forces” don’t exist. Anywhere in the region.

80 Decatur Deb  Aug 21, 2014 6:48:23am

re: #77 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

All those photos of Ukrainian sunflower fields remind me of Ballad of a Soldier.

imdb.com

81 Bulworth  Aug 21, 2014 6:48:29am

re:
#76

ANDREA TANTAROS: If you study the history of Islam.

Yes, Andrea, if you would study the history of Islam, maybe study the history of anything period, you would be a smarter person.

82 Lidane  Aug 21, 2014 6:49:10am

re: #79 GlutenFreeJesus

“Pro-Western forces” don’t exist. Anywhere in the region.

How dare you use logic and facts. Those have no place in a derp narrative.

//////

83 darthstar  Aug 21, 2014 6:49:59am

re: #78 darthstar

The photos at that NPR article are something else.

npr.org

84 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Aug 21, 2014 6:50:53am

re: #70 FemNaziBitch

I have difficult to fit feet. Even worse when I was little. There was usually one shoe that would fit me every year when my parents too me to the “special” shoe store.

So, now that I can buy at normal stores, I want every pair …

When I buy any pair of shoes, I have to get the left sole rebuilt by 1” to even out my legs, so I look at shoes as merely things to cover my feet.

85 b.d.  Aug 21, 2014 6:54:03am

re: #79 GlutenFreeJesus

“Pro-Western forces” don’t exist. Anywhere in the region.

THOSE GUYS SAID THAT THEY WOULD BE PRO-WESTERN IF WE GAVE THEM WEAPONS

86 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 21, 2014 6:55:26am
87 b.d.  Aug 21, 2014 6:57:04am

re: #86 Pie-onist Overlord

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HURR HURR GIVE THEM AN ASPIRIN!

88 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Aug 21, 2014 6:58:51am

lol

89 Schadenboner  Aug 21, 2014 7:00:05am

re: #53 Bulworth

re:
#48

“Occupational licensing”? Whut?

They’ve decided that the freeing of hair braiders from the tyranny of hygiene inspections is going to be the Libertarian Movement’s wedge into AfAm communities.

I am not kidding.

90 lawhawk  Aug 21, 2014 7:01:52am

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. Events in Ferguson were quieter than they’ve been over the past few days. The rain that fell last night helped a bit. There were fewer people out, fewer arrests, and while the situation is tense, things seem to be evening out.

There’s political posturing as a the MO House Speaker, a GOPer, criticized Gov. Nixon (a Democrat) for his handling of the situation, and also called for a special prosecutor to be named. The Speaker is right, Nixon has been all over the map and a special prosecutor should be named.

Fundraising for Officer Wilson has now grown to close to $100k but he remains in seclusion with nothing but the occasional leak to right wing outlets that include Hoft that can’t be substantiated by any media outlets. There’s been no independent confirmation of Wilson’s injuries, let alone the claims that he was nearly knocked unconscious (which if true would be evidence that he could use to show that he feared for his life and would legitimize his use of deadly force).

Police blocked access to the County Courthouse where a grand jury was seated yesterday to begin looking into the Brown case. That’s quite troubling - the courts are supposed to be freely accessible to everyone seeking redress. It’s not just the grand jury case that’s going on there. There’s routine business that gets conducted, but the police once again showed a heavy hand.

That’s where we are.

Oh, and there’s this:

Guess Keene NH (which is a really picturesque college town I’ve had occasion to visit) hasn’t given up their own armored vehicle, even though they were mercilessly mocked for having one to protect their pumpkin festival.

Also, it’s funny but Heritage is claiming that a bunch of the gear that the Ferguson PD and STL County Police used wasn’t from the 1033 program that transfers military gear from the Defense Department to local law enforcement. I’m not sure which is worse - that they did get some items from the 1033 program, or that they decided that they needed this stuff and procured it elsewhere. In fact, it would seem that it’s even worse - because they didn’t have to even justify the purchases under even the lax request requirements under the 1033 application process.

91 Lidane  Aug 21, 2014 7:03:58am

The screen capture for this article is priceless:

Ferguson Official Is Having None Of Hannity’s ‘Education’ On Police Brutality (VIDEO)

How dare she not let Hannity whitesplain things to her! Doesn’t she know how Fox News works?!

92 missliberties  Aug 21, 2014 7:09:32am

re: #3 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Police could have issued a full and comprehensive report of the incident, but they had no interest in letting the facts get out, they just want a trickle of information/disinformation that will keep such a buzz around the hornet’s nest that nobody can get close to finding out what actually happened.

I am not interested in any speculation beyond what is known and confirmed about the incident: a policeman shot an unarmed young man at least six times.

And left him lay in the street for a long time.

93 Bulworth  Aug 21, 2014 7:09:56am

re:
#89

Well, the Reason Libertarians are sure to have their fingers on the pulse of people’s needs and aspirations. //

94 darthstar  Aug 21, 2014 7:10:07am
95 darthstar  Aug 21, 2014 7:12:19am

re: #91 Lidane

The screen capture for this article is priceless:

Ferguson Official Is Having None Of Hannity’s ‘Education’ On Police Brutality (VIDEO)

How dare she not let Hannity whitesplain things to her! Doesn’t she know how Fox News works?!

Wow…Sean Hannity talked to a black woman?

96 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 21, 2014 7:12:46am
97 missliberties  Aug 21, 2014 7:14:58am

re: #91 Lidane

The screen capture for this article is priceless:

Ferguson Official Is Having None Of Hannity’s ‘Education’ On Police Brutality (VIDEO)

How dare she not let Hannity whitesplain things to her! Doesn’t she know how Fox News works?!

This is what ‘they’ do. They put out so much disinformation to intentionally get people arguing over petty details.

That story about the orbitual contusion was on the radio in Colorado yesterday and my husband fell for it hook line and sinker. Yet again, this is used as an excuse for murdering.

I am so sick of these folks I could puke. Instead of wasting time and energy on this BS, how about setting up a job center in Ferguson.

98 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Aug 21, 2014 7:15:15am

Russian paratrooper becomes a woman.

kp.ru

99 Bulworth  Aug 21, 2014 7:15:39am

re:
#91

“Let me educate you about the legal system in America,” the Fox host continued over Bynes. “You can try to talk over me, but let me tell you in our system of justice a person is innocent until proven guilty.”

What a brave warrior for Freedom this Sean Hannity is. He won’t be marginalized or talked over while he has a prime time cable news slot. No, sir. ///

100 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Aug 21, 2014 7:16:06am

re: #97 missliberties

This is what ‘they’ do. They put out so much disinformation to intentionally get people arguing over petty details.

That is their strategy, because the truth of what happened is so goddamn ugly.

101 darthstar  Aug 21, 2014 7:16:30am

Conservatives trying to coopt Daisy.

102 darthstar  Aug 21, 2014 7:18:27am

re: #98 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

Russian paratrooper becomes a woman.

kp.ru

So now he’ll whistle on the way down?
//
sorry…bad old joke about parachuting and anatomy…probably means it’s a good time to go walk the dogs.

103 Bulworth  Aug 21, 2014 7:18:34am

re:
#95

He just wanted to “educate” her. /

104 Schadenboner  Aug 21, 2014 7:19:08am

re: #93 Bulworth

re:
#89

Well, the Reason Libertarians are sure to have their fingers on the pulse of people’s needs and aspirations. //

Especially people of color who have historically been so well-served by the market’s invisible hand!

105 Schadenboner  Aug 21, 2014 7:20:28am

re: #91 Lidane

The screen capture for this article is priceless:

Ferguson Official Is Having None Of Hannity’s ‘Education’ On Police Brutality (VIDEO)

How dare she not let Hannity whitesplain things to her! Doesn’t she know how Fox News works?!

re: #99 Bulworth

Where was Michael Brown’s presumption of innocence (before or after his murder)?

Oh right, the problem’s right there in his name.

106 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Aug 21, 2014 7:22:20am

re: #91 Lidane

The screen capture for this article is priceless:

Ferguson Official Is Having None Of Hannity’s ‘Education’ On Police Brutality (VIDEO)

How dare she not let Hannity whitesplain things to her! Doesn’t she know how Fox News works?!

If there was a mistake she made, it was focusing on the act itself rather than how the FPD chose to handle it.

107 Schadenboner  Aug 21, 2014 7:23:19am

re: #105 Schadenboner

Where was Michael Brown’s presumption of innocence (before or after his murder)?

Oh right, the problem’s right there in his name.

WELL IF HE WASN’T A CRIMINAL WHY WAS THE MARK OF CAIN UPON HIM HIS SKIN BLACK? HUH?

108 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Aug 21, 2014 7:24:07am

re: #107 Schadenboner

WELL IF HE WASN’T A CRIMINAL WHY WAS THE MARK OF CAIN UPON HIM HIS SKIN BLACK? HUH?

Besides, we all saw that photo of him with the money in his mouth and the gun in his hands.

/

109 lawhawk  Aug 21, 2014 7:27:19am

Once again, following the law, how does it work? Law enforcement edition.

Oath Keepers and other law enforcement nitwits think that they can unilaterally pick and choose what laws to enforce, even on firearms.

While the position of sheriff is not found in the U.S. Constitution, it is listed in state constitutions. Nearly all of America’s 3,080 sheriffs are elected to their positions, whereas state and city police officials are appointed.

Lewis and other sheriffs, and their supporters, say that puts them in the best position to stand up to gun laws they consider unconstitutional under the Second Amendment, which guarantees the right to bear arms.

“The role of a sheriff is to be the interposer between the law and the citizen,” said Maryland Delegate Don Dwyer, an Anne Arundel County Republican. “He should stand between the government and citizen in every issue pertaining to the law.”

When Lewis was president of the Maryland Sheriffs’ Association, he testified with other sheriffs against the state’s Firearms Safety Act (FSA) before it was enacted in 2013. One of the strictest gun laws in the nation, the act requires gun applicants to supply fingerprints and complete training to obtain a handgun license online. It bans 45 types of firearms, limits magazines to 10 rounds and outlaws gun ownership for people who have been involuntarily committed to a mental health facility.

After Lewis opposed the bill, he said he was inundated with emails, handwritten letters, phone calls and visits from people thanking him for standing up for gun rights.

These law enforcement officers purposefully misunderstand the law; they are not carrying out their oaths to protect and defend the Constitution. They are choosing to ignore laws duly passed by state legislatures and the federal government.

110 Lidane  Aug 21, 2014 7:28:25am

re: #95 darthstar

Sean Hannity talked at a black woman

FTFY

111 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Aug 21, 2014 7:30:42am

re: #109 lawhawk

Once again, following the law, how does it work? Law enforcement edition.

Oath Keepers and other law enforcement nitwits think that they can unilaterally pick and choose what laws to enforce, even on firearms.

These law enforcement officers purposefully misunderstand the law; they are not carrying out their oaths to protect and defend the Constitution. They are choosing to ignore laws duly passed by state legislatures and the federal government.

These are people who see “States’ Rights” as too oppressively generalizing: individuals should have the right of negation of laws they disagree with.

Which is why every individual needs firepower in order to protect and enforce their choice of laws and rights.

112 Bulworth  Aug 21, 2014 7:31:55am

re:
#111

Except the right to choose to have an abortion, or the right to marry who one loves. Individualism can’t be allowed in these cases of course because Rule of Law. ///

113 lawhawk  Aug 21, 2014 7:32:17am

re: #110 Lidane

Whitesplaining.

Hannity is concerned about following due process. For Wilson. Not so much about Brown. Yet Brown’s the one whose due process and equal protection rights appear to have been violated by Wilson.

So, while Wilson’s rights should be protected going forward, the DOJ can only try and claw back some of Brown’s rights post-mortem.

114 Franklin  Aug 21, 2014 7:33:06am
115 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 21, 2014 7:33:47am

re: #109 lawhawk

“The role of a sheriff is to be the interposer between the law and the citizen,” said Maryland Delegate Don Dwyer, an Anne Arundel County Republican. “He should stand between the government and citizen in every issue pertaining to the law.”

Fun Fact: In Kentucky (as defined in our state constitution), the major role of the sheriff is to collect taxes.

116 Schadenboner  Aug 21, 2014 7:35:21am

re: #114 Franklin

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Fucking seriously?

<spanclass=The Vicious Babushka>Wow, very journalism. Such classy.</ span>

117 nsmith25  Aug 21, 2014 7:36:04am

re: #114 Franklin

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Wow…such BS.

118 missliberties  Aug 21, 2014 7:36:40am

re: #111 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Recipe for chaos.

119 HappyWarrior  Aug 21, 2014 7:36:46am

re: #114 Franklin

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What in blazes. Columbia, South Carolina by the way?

120 nsmith25  Aug 21, 2014 7:36:58am

re: #114 Franklin

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Looks like he drew an Obama shirt on the one on the left

121 HappyWarrior  Aug 21, 2014 7:37:05am

re: #116 Schadenboner

Fucking seriously?

Again I ask, did I wake up in 1964.

122 b.d.  Aug 21, 2014 7:37:40am

I guess The Intercept’s reporter didn’t get thrown in jail again since there has been no story at all from them.

123 HappyWarrior  Aug 21, 2014 7:38:47am

I am losing a lot of respect for people. One person on FB feed is “worried” about the grand jury being lynched if they don’t return the charges that people want. Really? Well it’s a good thing we didn’t wait and see with Michael Brown or Treyvon Martin sorry not Brown. Oh wait………..

124 lawhawk  Aug 21, 2014 7:39:54am

re: #121 HappyWarrior

1954. Or 1864. Take your pick.

125 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 21, 2014 7:40:36am
126 Schadenboner  Aug 21, 2014 7:41:03am

re: #122 b.d.

I guess The Intercept’s reporter didn’t get thrown in jail again since there has been no story at all from them.

Look, they’re still cleaning up from the *LAST* time they arrested him. Fear-induced piss-stains don’t disappear on their own you know.

127 HappyWarrior  Aug 21, 2014 7:41:07am

re: #124 lawhawk

1954. Or 1864. Take your pick.

Seriously. Nothing like a black teenager being killed to expose who’s been leaving loads of whites at the laundry. Agh.

128 HappyWarrior  Aug 21, 2014 7:41:28am

re: #125 Backwoods_Sleuth

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129 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 21, 2014 7:41:53am

re: #114 Franklin

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For sheer racist derp, nothing can beat Ramirez & Branco cartoons.

130 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 21, 2014 7:42:06am

re: #119 HappyWarrior

What in blazes. Columbia, South Carolina by the way?

Missouri. Here’s the original tweet:

131 lawhawk  Aug 21, 2014 7:42:42am

re: #119 HappyWarrior

132 HappyWarrior  Aug 21, 2014 7:42:58am

re: #130 Backwoods_Sleuth

Missouri. Here’s the original tweet:

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Ah that’s right. Forgot there was a Columbia, Missouri. That’s so fucking wrong.

133 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 21, 2014 7:43:07am

UCCCH

134 Lidane  Aug 21, 2014 7:44:32am

Whitesplaining, Fox News quack edition:

Fox’s Keith Ablow: “Something Is Deeply Wrong With The Psyche” Of Ferguson Residents

Fox News medical contributor Keith Ablow wrote that there is something wrong in the minds of Ferguson residents who reacted to the shooting death of 18 year-old Michael Brown by a police officer with protests.

In an August 20 opinion piece posted on foxnews.com, Ablow opined that the psyche of Ferguson needs to be investigated following the unrest that erupted after Brown’s killing. Ablow suggested that the community’s reactions were racially motivated; accusing the residents of presuming “the moral depravity of whites,” which they would not have done if the teen was raped or killed by a black police officer.

135 nsmith25  Aug 21, 2014 7:45:28am

re: #130 Backwoods_Sleuth

Missouri. Here’s the original tweet:

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I had a former student of mine who a few days ago tweeted out the statement: “Racism is dead.” Of course got a lot of reaction. Several hours later the student collected all of the racist derp that agreed with her tweet, and shamed them publicly with their words. Baited them and shamed them. Now, it may not have been the way that it should have been done, but the racists got called out.

136 HappyWarrior  Aug 21, 2014 7:45:53am

re: #134 Lidane

Whitesplaining, Fox News quack edition:

Fox’s Keith Ablow: “Something Is Deeply Wrong With The Psyche” Of Ferguson Residents

Yeah how dare they be outraged by an unarmed black kid being murdered. They should be concerned with more important things like you are Keith. Really when is the rest of the country going to wake up and realize that the crap Fox pushes about minorities is really no different from Stromfront.

137 missliberties  Aug 21, 2014 7:46:29am

re: #100 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

I am more furious at this flood of bullshit than anything. It’s a firestorm of what ifs.

What if Brown was a thug who stole cigarellos and walked down the street went over to a police car, knocked the officers head in and walked away to bait the officer to get out of his car and shoot him six times.

138 b.d.  Aug 21, 2014 7:47:57am

re: #130 Backwoods_Sleuth

Missouri. Here’s the original tweet:

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Right next to a Rich Lowry column, how fitting.

139 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 21, 2014 7:47:57am
140 HappyWarrior  Aug 21, 2014 7:48:09am

re: #137 missliberties

I am more furious at this flood of bullshit than anything. It’s a firestorm of what ifs.

What if Brown was a thug who stole cigarellos and walked down the street went over to a police car, knocked the officers head in and walked away to bait the officer to get out of his car and shoot him six times.

What if Brown were unarmed. Oh wait, he wasn’t. Really they can keep on spinning all they want but we all know that they would be furious if a white teenager had been killed by a black officer and blaming Obama for it.

141 b.d.  Aug 21, 2014 7:49:25am

What happened to all of the BENGHAZI!!! Twitter ribbons? They seem to be scarce these days

142 lawhawk  Aug 21, 2014 7:50:18am

A bit of good news, the doctor who was infected with Ebola and flown to the US for further treatment is going to be released from the hospital later today after getting an all clear from doctors.

143 Schadenboner  Aug 21, 2014 7:50:40am

re: #141 b.d.

What happened to all of the BENGHAZI!!! Twitter ribbons? They seem to be scarce these days

Replaced by tin “I SUPPORT OFFICER GO-FUCK-YOURSELF!” badges.

144 lawhawk  Aug 21, 2014 7:50:55am

re: #141 b.d.

Two more mentions, and they come crawling out of the woodwork…

145 Bulworth  Aug 21, 2014 7:51:18am

Oh, it looks like Breitbart is at it again with the racism.

Shocking.

6 Times Black Americans Jumped to Racial Conclusions

146 lawhawk  Aug 21, 2014 7:53:33am

re: #145 Bulworth

147 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 21, 2014 7:55:05am

Larry Elder is so full of Derp. What a fucking tool, just like Ben Shapiro.

148 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Aug 21, 2014 7:56:14am

re: #145 Bulworth

Oh, it looks like Breitbart is at it again with the racism.

Shocking.

6 Times Black Americans Jumped to Racial Conclusions

Did these “racial conclusions” result in someone being shot/strangled to death?

149 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 21, 2014 7:56:28am

So Bryan is saying that Blacks in Ferguson should open carry?

150 Danny  Aug 21, 2014 7:58:29am

re: #115 Backwoods_Sleuth

Fun Fact: In Kentucky (as defined in our state constitution), the major role of the sheriff is to collect taxes.

True. I bought a piece of land in Bullitt County, KY a long time ago. For many years I’d send my tax payment to Sheriff Lloyd “Shot” Dooley. :-)

151 Bulworth  Aug 21, 2014 7:59:07am

re:
#149

I think they were all in the middle of a desert.

And pointing guns at LEO is what I would call violence, at least violent intent.

152 Jayleia  Aug 21, 2014 7:59:56am
153 Bulworth  Aug 21, 2014 8:00:04am

re:
#149

The Bundyites also weren’t suffering any injustice nor had they been for decades.

154 Bulworth  Aug 21, 2014 8:01:08am

re:
#149

What were the Bundyites protesting? Had any of them been killed or assaulted?

155 lawhawk  Aug 21, 2014 8:01:30am

re: #149 Pie-onist Overlord

156 Bulworth  Aug 21, 2014 8:02:11am

Bryan is right in a sense. The LEO at Bundy’s ranch didn’t use tear-gas or fire rubber bullets to get the protesters to disperse. //

157 Higgs Boson's Mate  Aug 21, 2014 8:03:43am

re: #141 b.d.

What happened to all of the BENGHAZI!!! Twitter ribbons? They seem to be scarce these days

Wingnuts are like Magpies (Except that Magpies are more intelligent than wingnuts.). “New!” “Shiny!”

158 Minor_L  Aug 21, 2014 8:05:50am

re: #10 A Mom Anon

I’m sure that person — who will use any excuse to bring up their racist views — also calls African Americans who talk about race issues “race baiters.” That seems to be the pattern.

159 OhNoZombies!  Aug 21, 2014 8:06:19am

Didn’t two of the “protestors” from the Bundy ranch go on to murder two cops and three citizens?
Why, yes. Yes they did…

160 Franklin  Aug 21, 2014 8:07:14am
161 Bubblehead II  Aug 21, 2014 8:08:14am

Another data breach. This one at UPS Stores.

Data breach at UPS Stores in 24 states

UPS (UPS) said that the hacking had escaped detection at stores in 24 states, or around 1% of its locations. At most stores, the malware attack occurred after March 26, and was eliminated by August 11.

162 urbanmeemaw  Aug 21, 2014 8:08:29am

re: #124 lawhawk

1954. Or 1864. Take your pick.

Tonight we’re gonna party like it’s 1859.

163 Bulworth  Aug 21, 2014 8:12:58am

It’s easy for there to be no violence when the LEO lets the protesters protest. And when the protesters are better armed than the LEO.

164 Bulworth  Aug 21, 2014 8:14:07am

re:
#160

That’s right. It also didn’t happen in this case either.

en.wikipedia.org

165 OhNoZombies!  Aug 21, 2014 8:14:18am

re: #160 Franklin

Remember Susan Smith?
She killed her children, and blamed a black guy…

166 OhNoZombies!  Aug 21, 2014 8:14:43am

Dammit!!!

167 darthstar  Aug 21, 2014 8:14:54am
168 b.d.  Aug 21, 2014 8:17:01am

re: #142 lawhawk

A bit of good news, the doctor who was infected with Ebola and flown to the US for further treatment is going to be released from the hospital later today after getting an all clear from doctors.

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I’m very happy that that doctor has been cured of Ebola but as a person living in Ft. Worth I hope that he decides to stay in Atlanta for a few more days just to be sure.

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169 HappyWarrior  Aug 21, 2014 8:17:42am

re: #149 Pie-onist Overlord

So Bryan is saying that Blacks in Ferguson should open carry?

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I sure as hell do remember the armed goons aiming at federal law enforcement but nice try Bryan, go back to your closet.

170 Rightwingconspirator  Aug 21, 2014 8:19:14am

re: #121 HappyWarrior

Again I ask, did I wake up in 1964.

Well on the upside you get to vote for Johnson…

171 lawhawk  Aug 21, 2014 8:20:10am
172 HappyWarrior  Aug 21, 2014 8:20:21am

re: #170 Rightwingconspirator

Well on the upside you get to vote for Johnson…

I also get to know that Nixon’s right around the corner and RFK will be dead in four years. But on that, I do feel LBJ is an under appreciated president by both left and right.

173 Lidane  Aug 21, 2014 8:22:17am

Blathering racist moran says what?

Ted Nugent: Liberals To Blame For Michael Brown’s Death

Yeah, no. Sorry Ted. The white cop with the gun is the only one that’s responsible for Michael Brown’s death. Nice try, tho.

174 HappyWarrior  Aug 21, 2014 8:23:54am

re: #173 Lidane

Blathering racist moran says what?

Ted Nugent: Liberals To Blame For Michael Brown’s Death

Yeah, no. Sorry Ted. The white cop with the gun is the only one that’s responsible for Michael Brown’s death. Nice try, tho.

Don’t be surprised again when you get another show cancelled on you Ted. Yeah, it’s liberals that caused Darren Wilson to get way too trigger happy. Why don’t you just shut the fuck up for once and let the adults talk, Captain Crappypants.

175 HappyWarrior  Aug 21, 2014 8:25:09am

Really these fuckers want to blame someone? They should look within. They should look at all the times they’ve laughed or shrugged it off as satire everytime a right wing pundit, radio host, or politician made a derogatory remark about blacks.

176 Lidane  Aug 21, 2014 8:28:27am

*flips row of cubicles, nukes them from orbit*

Ben Carson And Steve Malzberg Muse On How Ferguson Protestors Are Like Hamas

Doctor, do you see a world now through a media and maybe even through the White House and Justice Department and the State Department where Hamas is kind of equal to Israel, they have their own grievances, you put a suit and tie on the Hamas spokesmen and you believe what they say, and Israel has to be proportional to their response; and now the cops, Rachel Maddow says the cops are rioting and Obama says they’re too militarized, as many people do, and we have got to hear the grievances and there’s a war on black men, we hear from some people. Do you see how these two kind of go together in a bizarre world of sorts?

177 Bulworth  Aug 21, 2014 8:30:22am

I know this is gonna shock everyone so I hope you’re all sitting down but Christian wingnut actor Kevin Sorbo (God is Not Dead) thinks the Ferguson protesters are “animals”.

tmz.com

178 Higgs Boson's Mate  Aug 21, 2014 8:30:34am

re: #173 Lidane

Why alla’ time Ted Nugent? Could it be that he represents the pundit side of Seventies rockers simply because he’s not dead?

179 Bulworth  Aug 21, 2014 8:31:22am

re:
#176

Also, run-on sentences. Strawmen.

180 HappyWarrior  Aug 21, 2014 8:32:32am

re: #176 Lidane

*flips row of cubicles, nukes them from orbit*

Ben Carson And Steve Malzberg Muse On How Ferguson Protestors Are Like Hamas

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Carson may be even worse than Herman Cain honestly if he sincerely believes that people protesting the police killing an unarmed person are like Hamas. And by the way GOP if you run him, you’re not going to gain any support from the AA community when you have Carson pretty much sounding like a real life version of Stephen from Django. WTF is wrong with him? Comparing the protesters to Hamas? And I remember how pissy they got when liberal pundits and politicians criticized (but did not link them to a terrorist group) the Tea Party.

181 HappyWarrior  Aug 21, 2014 8:33:26am

re: #177 Bulworth

I know this is gonna shock everyone so I hope you’re all sitting down but Christian wingnut actor Kevin Sorbo (God is Not Dead) thinks the Ferguson protesters are “animals”.

tmz.com

I haven’t seen that name since I watched Orioles games on the WB and saw previews for Hercules. Kevin Sorbo is even more irrelevant than Ted Nugent and Gene Simmons are.

182 Higgs Boson's Mate  Aug 21, 2014 8:33:39am

re: #177 Bulworth

Go easy on Sorbo; he’s trying to atone for the fact that his signature character spent more time with another guy than with any woman.

183 Lidane  Aug 21, 2014 8:35:15am

re: #182 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Go easy on Sorbo; he’s trying to atone for the fact that his signature character spent more time with another guy than with any woman.

I saw something about him recently where he was whining about not being given a cameo in the new Hercules film with Dwayne Johnson in it. You know, because “the fans” were clamoring for Sorbo to be included somewhere in the background.

184 urbanmeemaw  Aug 21, 2014 8:35:23am

re: #163 Bulworth

It’s easy for there to be no violence when the LEO lets the protesters protest. And when the protesters are better armed than the LEO.

Yes. I recall the media outrage about Bundy’s “militia” friends pointing their rifles at Federal agents. Anybody else remember? Bueller? Anyone?

185 HappyWarrior  Aug 21, 2014 8:36:18am

re: #184 urbanmeemaw

Yes. I recall the media outrage about Bundy’s “militia” friends pointing their rifles at Federal agents. Anybody else remember? Bueller? Anyone?

Does Sean Hannity’s kissing Bundy’s ass count as outrage?

186 ObserverArt  Aug 21, 2014 8:36:32am

Good almost afternoon.

I see some have been talking about overcast skies and rain. Must be a large portion of the country suffering the same. Someone just turn off all the daylight here in Columbus. A storm must be coming. Wait…I just heard some rumbling.

Looks like heat and humidity are back for many of us too. They say it will be like this for a week or more. I was so getting into all that cooler summer stuff we’ve had for the last month.

By the way, I’ve been working on an email campaign for a client. It is getting real tough to do mass emails anymore. I understand about spamming and all, but damn, you have to go through a lot of hoops to build and use an proper list. It’s hard to explain that to a client…especially when we all get a lot of marketing emails. he just wants to send emails. Sigh.

187 Unabogie  Aug 21, 2014 8:37:23am

re: #177 Bulworth

I know this is gonna shock everyone so I hope you’re all sitting down but Christian wingnut actor Kevin Sorbo (God is Not Dead) thinks the Ferguson protesters are “animals”.

tmz.com

It’s so nice to be living in a post racial world. Do they realize that when they talk, everyone can hear them?

188 urbanmeemaw  Aug 21, 2014 8:37:27am

re: #185 HappyWarrior

Why, yes! It does. Never mind then.

189 Timothy Watson  Aug 21, 2014 8:37:45am

re: #181 HappyWarrior

I haven’t seen that name since I watched Orioles games on the WB and saw previews for Hercules. Kevin Sorbo is even more irrelevant than Ted Nugent and Gene Simmons are.

I think I’m still more offended at what he did to the television series Andromeda.

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190 HappyWarrior  Aug 21, 2014 8:39:08am

re: #187 Unabogie

It’s so nice to be living in a post racial world. Do they realize that when they talk, everyone can hear them?

They think you can’t call them racist because their party was once enlightened on slavery and the party they are opposed to during that time period wasn’t. Nevermind that in the years since, the Republican party actively sought out Strom Thurmond and George Wallace’s supporters.

191 Aqua Obama  Aug 21, 2014 8:40:07am

re: #114 Franklin

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Glenn McCoy (and his brother) are complete fuckers. I remember their hideously ugly Sandra Fluke drawings too.

192 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Aug 21, 2014 8:40:14am

re: #91 Lidane

I tried watching the video but listening to more than a minute of Sean Hannity’s voice is what I would imagine being the subject of an LRAD would be like…nauseating.

193 HappyWarrior  Aug 21, 2014 8:40:54am

re: #191 Aqua Obama

Glenn McCoy (and his brother) are complete fuckers. I remember their hideously ugly Sandra Fluke drawings too.

Agh I think I do remember that.

194 darthstar  Aug 21, 2014 8:42:13am

Our house is 35 feet above sea level(at HIGH tide)…so we’re good for another 80 years.

195 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 21, 2014 8:43:50am

“Checks privilege” Yep it’s right here.

196 darthstar  Aug 21, 2014 8:44:56am

re: #176 Lidane

*flips row of cubicles, nukes them from orbit*

Ben Carson And Steve Malzberg Muse On How Ferguson Protestors Are Like Hamas

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Let me know when they start lobbing rockets at St. Louis.

197 Bulworth  Aug 21, 2014 8:45:44am

re:
#195

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198 darthstar  Aug 21, 2014 8:45:55am
199 Lidane  Aug 21, 2014 8:45:59am

Religious conservatives urge people to stop taking ‘ALS Challenge’ because it kills babies

The ALS Challenge is a viral movement that hopes to spread awareness for amyotrophic lateral sclerosis — also known as “Lou Gehrig’s disease” — by having individuals record video of themselves being doused with a bucket of ice cold water and posting it on social media. It has led to a dramatic increase in donations to the ALS Association — from $1.9 million at this time last year to $31.5 million this year.

But as McCullough pointed out, this money will be used to fund embryonic stem cell research, which “means that children are created and at their earliest stages of life they are destroyed so that the stem cells (from usually the base of the brain) can be harvested to perform tests with.”

200 Bulworth  Aug 21, 2014 8:47:22am

re:
#199

It’s probably about time I asked…what does the ice water over the head have to do with ALS?

201 Aqua Obama  Aug 21, 2014 8:47:26am

re: #35 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

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What is this called?

202 darthstar  Aug 21, 2014 8:47:33am

Okay…enough internet outrage for one day. Off to enjoy my wedding anniversary with my wife. May check in tomorrow morning but pretty much on vacation now.

Cheers, everyone.

203 HappyWarrior  Aug 21, 2014 8:47:33am

re: #199 Lidane

Religious conservatives urge people to stop taking ‘ALS Challenge’ because it kills babies

The religious right again shows why they are the worst people in politics today with that.

204 HappyWarrior  Aug 21, 2014 8:48:23am

re: #200 Bulworth

re:
#199

It’s probably about time I asked…what does the ice water over the head have to do with ALS?

I was going to ask but pparently the outrage! is over the fact that the funds for the research raised will be used in stem cell research. Fuckers are unbelievable.

205 darthstar  Aug 21, 2014 8:48:24am

But let me leave you with this. :)

206 Timothy Watson  Aug 21, 2014 8:49:25am
207 lawhawk  Aug 21, 2014 8:50:10am

re: #200 Bulworth

It’s a viral thing. Someone with ALS suggested it as a challenge to friends, and it’s ended up netting the ALS Foundation something like 20 times their normal charitable receipts for this time of year ($40+ million versus $2 million).

As of Thursday, August 21, The ALS Association has received $41.8 million in donations compared to $2.1 million during the same time period last year (July 29 to August 21). These donations have come from existing donors and 739,275 new donors to The Association.

The ALS Association’s mission includes providing care services to assist people with ALS and their families through a network of chapters working in communities across the nation and a global research program focused on the discovery of treatments and eventually a cure for the disease. In addition, The Association’s public policy efforts empower people to advance public policies in our nation’s Capital that respond to the needs of people with ALS.

208 HappyWarrior  Aug 21, 2014 8:50:41am

re: #206 Timothy Watson

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Eddie G is doomed here anyhow. Warner would need to make a George Allen type of mistake to make it even close and unfortunately for Ed, Mark Warner but fortunately for Virginia and by extension the US isn’t an idiot jackass.

209 HappyWarrior  Aug 21, 2014 8:51:45am

I’ve seen people criticize the challenge as gimmicky and I guess I understand that a little but the way I look at it in the end is that it draws attention to a good cause and they have raised a lot of money. Me? I’m just waiting to get nominated. Need to pick some nominees too.

210 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 21, 2014 8:52:19am
211 Timothy Watson  Aug 21, 2014 8:57:36am

re: #208 HappyWarrior

Eddie G is doomed here anyhow. Warner would need to make a George Allen type of mistake to make it even close and unfortunately for Ed, Mark Warner but fortunately for Virginia and by extension the US isn’t an idiot jackass.

Yeah, I know Ed is doomed but I never been a fan of Mark Warner. Everything that comes out of his mouth sounds like consultant babble to me.

212 Lidane  Aug 21, 2014 8:58:08am

re: #209 HappyWarrior

I’ve seen people criticize the challenge as gimmicky and I guess I understand that a little but the way I look at it in the end is that it draws attention to a good cause and they have raised a lot of money. Me? I’m just waiting to get nominated. Need to pick some nominees too.

It’s a gimmick, sure. But watching friends of mine douse themselves in ice cold water is amusing.

213 Minor_L  Aug 21, 2014 8:59:02am

I can’t even.

214 HappyWarrior  Aug 21, 2014 9:00:02am

re: #211 Timothy Watson

Yeah, I know Ed is doomed but I never been a fan of Mark Warner. Everything that comes out of his mouth sounds like consultant babble to me.

I dunno. I like the guy. Of him and Kaine though, I guess I did prefer Kaine. And I give Warner a lot of credit for making Virginia more competitive in elections.

215 Franklin  Aug 21, 2014 9:00:49am

re: #212 Lidane

It’s a gimmick, sure. But watching friends of mine douse themselves in ice cold water is amusing.

Exactly. It’s a gimmick by design. Unless you are Charlie Sheen, videos or facebook updates about donating money to a worthy charity has little chance at going viral. The gimmick is the key :)

216 Gus  Aug 21, 2014 9:01:14am
217 Schadenboner  Aug 21, 2014 9:01:36am

re: #177 Bulworth

I know this is gonna shock everyone so I hope you’re all sitting down but Christian wingnut actor Kevin Sorbo (God is Not Dead) thinks the Ferguson protesters are “animals”.

tmz.com

I never realized he was a nutbar. Now I has a sad.

BRB, clearing Netflix queue.

218 Dr. Matt  Aug 21, 2014 9:01:57am

How many BREAKING tweets has Dim Jim sent out today?

219 HappyWarrior  Aug 21, 2014 9:05:01am

re: #216 Gus

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Yeah, you’re a racist Janice.

220 HappyWarrior  Aug 21, 2014 9:05:39am

re: #217 Schadenboner

I never realized he was a nutbar. Now I has a sad.

BRB, clearing Netflix queue.

Eh don’t do that if you actually do like his stuff. James Caan I heard was saying some fucked up shit on FNC and I still will watch the Godfather religiously.

221 Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 21, 2014 9:06:18am

re: #213 Minor_L

I can’t even.

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The person using the IP address responded — without revealing their identity — that the malicious edits were in fact “official business” endorsed by a member of the House. Their changes, they said, were intended to bring “fairness” to the discussion.

$5 says Steve Pearce has something to do with this.

222 Schadenboner  Aug 21, 2014 9:07:50am

re: #220 HappyWarrior

Eh don’t do that if you actually do like his stuff. James Caan I heard was saying some fucked up shit on FNC and I still will watch the Godfather religiously.

Choosing to never watch The Godfather based on politics is a bit different than choosing [not] to binge watch Hercules.

One is art, the other is, well, masturbation.

223 Bulworth  Aug 21, 2014 9:09:03am

re:
#222

Fortunately I’ve seen The Godfather about 142 times.

224 HappyWarrior  Aug 21, 2014 9:09:34am

re: #222 Schadenboner

Choosing to never watch The Godfather based on politics is a bit different than choosing [not] to binge watch Hercules.

One is art, the other is, well, masturbation.

Heh true fair enough. I am just not someone who refuses to watch something based on politics but you’re right.

225 Timothy Watson  Aug 21, 2014 9:10:21am

re: #214 HappyWarrior

I dunno. I like the guy. Of him and Kaine though, I guess I did prefer Kaine. And I give Warner a lot of credit for making Virginia more competitive in elections.

I used to rag on Kaine, but I think he’s a lot more down to Earth and a lot less full of it than Warner is.

My problem with Warner is that he goes around touting his business success, which mostly stem from buying up cell phone frequencies back in the ’90s after he was responsible for drafting their regulatory framework. (Congress got so sicked of people squatting on frequencies they ended up changing the licensing system so that anyone who wanted a license to a frequency had to prove that he had the money to use it, but by then Warner had already cashed out.) He also goes around talking about his business experience and success while Governor, but no one will call him on that VITA monstrosity which he created.

A couple months ago he was on WTOP talking about the Veterans Administration scandal and he kept going about “data management” and other consultant babble until one of the hosts got sicked of it and said something similar to, “Senator, the problem isn’t ‘data management’ or whatever other technobabble you want to throw out. The problem is people weren’t doing their jobs. How are you going to fix that?”

226 prairiefire  Aug 21, 2014 9:10:44am

It’s crazy how the situation in Ferguson is tearing the RedState blog asunder. More blood than usual in the threads.

227 Tigger2  Aug 21, 2014 9:11:50am

re: #173 <font><font>Lidane </font></font>

STFU Ted you fucking has been.

228 Lidane  Aug 21, 2014 9:15:06am

re: #226 prairiefire

It’s crazy how the situation in Ferguson is tearing the RedState blog asunder. More blood than usual in the threads.

Really? As a rule I try avoid Erick, Son of Erick’s site. Are they stuck between the glibertarian ZOMG TRIGGER HAPPY COPS and the wingnut ZOMG BLAH PEOPLE divide?

229 Gus  Aug 21, 2014 9:15:46am
230 Aqua Obama  Aug 21, 2014 9:16:09am

re: #226 prairiefire

It’s crazy how the situation in Ferguson is tearing the RedState blog asunder. More blood than usual in the threads.

Well they do call it Red State

231 EPR-radar  Aug 21, 2014 9:17:37am

re: #228 Lidane

Really? As a rule I try avoid Erick, Son of Erick’s site. Are they stuck between the glibertarian ZOMG TRIGGER HAPPY COPS and the wingnut ZOMG BLAH PEOPLE divide?

I can’t believe I’m saying this, but the criticism that is being directed at the police by some at RedState is basically sane and not infected with libertarian crap.

Lots of mindlessly pro-police hooting and hollering in the comments on those articles.

232 Lidane  Aug 21, 2014 9:18:05am

Darth We’ll Be Greeted as Liberators! says what?

Former Vice President Dick Cheney is predicting that the beheading of American journalist James Foley is just the start of more violence if President Barack Obama doesn’t “deal with this crisis” in Iraq.

“The ISIS organization in charge is very much a threat to the United States, to our friends and allies, not just in the Middle East, but in Europe, and when you see them behead an American reporter, as they did today, that’s obviously a terrible development,” Cheney said Wednesday on Fox News’ “Hannity.” “But magnify that a million times over because that is what’s in store for the rest of the world if we don’t deal with this crisis.”

233 HappyWarrior  Aug 21, 2014 9:18:41am

re: #225 Timothy Watson

I used to rag on Kaine, but I think he’s a lot more down to Earth and a lot less full of it than Warner is.

My problem with Warner is that he goes around touting his business success, which mostly stem from buying up cell phone frequencies back in the ’90s after he was responsible for drafting their regulatory framework. (Congress got so sicked of people squatting on frequencies they ended up changing the licensing system so that anyone who wanted a license to a frequency had to prove that he had the money to use it, but by then Warner had already cashed out.) He also goes around talking about his business experience and success while Governor, but no one will call him on that VITA monstrosity which he created.

A couple months ago he was on WTOP talking about the Veterans Administration scandal and he kept going about “data management” and other consultant babble until one of the hosts got sicked of it and said something similar to, “Senator, the problem isn’t ‘data management’ or whatever other technobabble you want to throw out. The problem is people weren’t doing their jobs. How are you going to fix that?”

Ahh fair enough and perfectly legitimate criticism of him. But yeah I like Kaine because I think he genuinely does care about people. I also like that he can speak Spanish. Kaine was the first person I voted for actually.

234 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Aug 21, 2014 9:19:22am

LOL.

Looks like one of your adoring stalkers is tweeting me now.

235 Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 21, 2014 9:19:41am

re: #232 Lidane

Darth We’ll Be Greeted as Liberators! says what?

Cheney is the last fucking person I’d EVER listen to on Iraq.

He’s got stones for even suggesting such a thing.

236 Lidane  Aug 21, 2014 9:19:50am

re: #231 EPR-radar

I can’t believe I’m saying this, but the criticism that is being directed at the police by some at RedState is basically sane and not infected with libertarian crap.

Lots of mindlessly pro-police hooting and hollering in the comments on those articles.

I would assume the mindless hooting is paired with some sort of whitesplaining of the problems in Ferguson. Seems to go hand in hand.

237 HappyWarrior  Aug 21, 2014 9:20:26am

re: #229 Gus

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Bowe Bergdahl 2.0 or more honestly OBL Death 10.0.

238 HappyWarrior  Aug 21, 2014 9:21:21am

re: #232 Lidane

Darth We’ll Be Greeted as Liberators! says what?

Cheney can kindly fuck off.

239 Bear  Aug 21, 2014 9:22:32am

re: #233 HappyWarrior

Seldom have I voted for anyone. Most of the votes have been against.

240 HappyWarrior  Aug 21, 2014 9:25:23am

re: #239 Bear

Seldom have I voted for anyone. Most of the votes have been against.

It’s unfortunate that it works out that way often than not.

241 Skip Intro  Aug 21, 2014 9:25:39am

re: #232 Lidane

Darth We’ll Be Greeted as Liberators! says what?

Maybe Bush/Cheney should have dealt with them. Oh, wait. They didn’t exist back then, did they? They only gained power because Bush/Cheney overthrew the existing government of Iraq and replaced it with complete chaos.

Someone should ask Dick or his ventriloquist’s dummy Liz about that.

242 Varek Raith  Aug 21, 2014 9:25:53am

House staffers vandalizing wikipedia pages?
Say it ain’t so!

e_e

243 Higgs Boson's Mate  Aug 21, 2014 9:26:15am

re: #232 Lidane

Dr. Evil: Mr. President, after I destroy Washington D.C… I will destroy another major city every hour on the hour. That is, unless, of course, you pay me…
[emphasis]
Dr. Evil: one hundred billion dollars.
The President: [bursts with laughter] Dr. Evil, this is 1969! That amount of money doesn’t even exist.
[laughing]
The President: That’s like saying,
[with changed voice]
The President: “I want a kajillion bajillion dollars.”

244 Aqua Obama  Aug 21, 2014 9:27:42am

245 EPR-radar  Aug 21, 2014 9:28:20am

re: #236 Lidane

I would assume the mindless hooting is paired with some sort of whitesplaining of the problems in Ferguson. Seems to go hand in hand.

Pretty much. You know it’s upside-down day when a RedState moderator says flat-out that racism is part of the problem in Ferguson MO.

246 Higgs Boson's Mate  Aug 21, 2014 9:29:55am

re: #244 Aqua Obama

Hell, why not use real cannons on the protestors - or has the DoD not yet got around to equipping the cops with 105mm howitzers?

247 lawhawk  Aug 21, 2014 9:30:13am

re: #242 Varek Raith

There’s a twitter feed for that.

There’s also a twitter feed for stealth edits to Supreme Court cases (usually to fix typos, case reporter information, but occasionally have substantive fixes).

248 HappyWarrior  Aug 21, 2014 9:30:40am

re: #244 Aqua Obama

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He’s going “Who the fuck do I work with?”

249 Varek Raith  Aug 21, 2014 9:31:30am

re: #247 lawhawk

There’s a twitter feed for that.

There’s also a twitter feed for stealth edits to Supreme Court cases (usually to fix typos, case reporter information, but occasionally have substantive fixes).

That’s funny…
And sad.

250 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 21, 2014 9:36:44am

Gah I’m seeing FairTax memes.

Block & mute. No point in getting into an argument with these freaking idiots.

251 Charles Johnson  Aug 21, 2014 9:39:45am

re: #234 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

Notice how the cretin is afraid to put the @ symbol in front of my Twitter handle. And he screwed up the link to Mother Jones. And it’s the same story about the Baden autopsy I posted here.

These people are not right in the head.

252 lawhawk  Aug 21, 2014 9:40:10am

And O’Reilly explicitly cites to Hoft’s posts about the orbital blowout fracture, even though there’s no actual proof this injury occurred.

And that will get recycled endlessly by the right wing echo chamber, even though major media outlets have not independently confirmed any of Hoft’s allegations.

253 HappyWarrior  Aug 21, 2014 9:40:21am

re: #250 Pie-onist Overlord

Gah I’m seeing FairTax memes.

Block & mute. No point in getting into an argument with these freaking idiots.

The morons who think a 20% sales tax is good policy right? That’s not “fair” at all. It’s utterly absurd to have high sales taxes in a consumer based economy.

254 Gus  Aug 21, 2014 9:40:31am

So a good swath of people that want to “save” Iraq from ISIS are also a bunch of Islamophobic anglo-centric bigots. Got it.

255 HappyWarrior  Aug 21, 2014 9:41:18am

re: #254 Gus

So a good swath of people that want to “save” Iraq from ISIS are also a bunch of Islamophobic anglo-centric bigots. Got it.

I remember the debate leading pu to the war. Same people who talked about “liberating” Iraq also wanted to nuke it.

256 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 21, 2014 9:43:02am

re: #253 HappyWarrior

The morons who think a 20% sales tax is good policy right? That’s not “fair” at all. It’s utterly absurd to have high sales taxes in a consumer based economy.

This fucking moron:

257 Lidane  Aug 21, 2014 9:43:06am

re: #255 HappyWarrior

I remember the debate leading up to the war. Same people who talked about “liberating” Iraq also wanted to nuke it.

Pretty much. They wanted to liberate the Middle East by turning it into a parking lot.

258 Bulworth  Aug 21, 2014 9:44:02am

re:
#256

And the elderly, many of whom pay little or no income tax, how will they fare under the “fair tax”?

259 HappyWarrior  Aug 21, 2014 9:45:36am

re: #257 Lidane

Pretty much. They wanted to liberate the Middle East by turning it into a parking lot.

They wanted the ME to be what Borat said he wanted Bush to do at the rodeo in Borat.

260 HappyWarrior  Aug 21, 2014 9:46:38am

re: #256 Pie-onist Overlord

This fucking moron:

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Yeah morons. It’s something that sounds great to the ear which is why they gave it that name but then you read what it actually entails.

261 Timothy Watson  Aug 21, 2014 9:47:01am

re: #256 Pie-onist Overlord

This fucking moron:

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And what massive government bureaucracy is going to keep track of all that sales tax revenue and make sure it gets into the Treasury?

262 allegro  Aug 21, 2014 9:47:22am

re: #252 lawhawk

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And O’Reilly explicitly cites to Hoft’s posts about the orbital blowout fracture, even though there’s no actual proof this injury occurred.

And that will get recycled endlessly by the right wing echo chamber, even though major media outlets have not independently confirmed any of Hoft’s allegations.

It’s more than just O’Reilly and the RWNJ - it’s now firmly mainstream. A friend emailed a link to this article yesterday: abcnews.go.com. In his email he said “Now we’re getting to the truth…”

I went off on his ass.

263 lawhawk  Aug 21, 2014 9:47:26am

re: #258 Bulworth

re:
#256

And the elderly, many of whom pay little or no income tax, how will they fare under the “fair tax”?

Unfairly. As will low-income and middle-income taxpayers.

The rich? They’ll make out like bandits, because the tax will be a fraction on what they spend, while their investments and earnings are untaxed.

As if some living expenses and assorted monthly costs like food, rent, etc., are something that can be voluntary (as in not spending, so not being exposed to the tax).

264 HappyWarrior  Aug 21, 2014 9:47:40am

re: #261 Timothy Watson

And what massive government bureaucracy is going to keep track of all that sales tax revenue and make sure it gets into the Treasury?

The same one that will deport all teh illegals of course.

265 jaunte  Aug 21, 2014 9:47:58am

re: #252 lawhawk

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And O’Reilly explicitly cites to Hoft’s posts about the orbital blowout fracture, even though there’s no actual proof this injury occurred.

And that will get recycled endlessly by the right wing echo chamber, even though major media outlets have not independently confirmed any of Hoft’s allegations.

We also hear today that Officer Wilson has an orbital blow out fracture of his eye socket. The Factor has not been able to confirm that, and we do not want to try this case on television.

Why is O’Reilly trying to take satirists’ jobs away?

266 OhNoZombies!  Aug 21, 2014 9:48:01am

I’m convinced that a lot of people in this country do not know what the definition of equal is.

267 Franklin  Aug 21, 2014 9:48:38am

re: #263 lawhawk

Unfairly. As will low-income and middle-income taxpayers.

The rich? They’ll make out like bandits, because the tax will be a fraction on what they spend, while their investments and earnings are untaxed.

As if some living expenses and assorted monthly costs like food, rent, etc., are something that can be voluntary (as in not spending, so not being exposed to the tax).

So essentially, it just gets more regressive and benefits the rich even more so than currently.

268 Gus  Aug 21, 2014 9:48:39am
269 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 21, 2014 9:48:43am

re: #261 Timothy Watson

And what massive government bureaucracy is going to keep track of all that sales tax revenue and make sure it gets into the Treasury?

They’ll just “trust” TEH JRRB CREATORS to fork over 30% of every purchase because it’s so STIMULATING to the economy.

There are actually people in Congress who promote this dangerous horseshit, like Bridenstine.

270 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Aug 21, 2014 9:48:49am

re: #258 Bulworth

re:
#256

And the elderly, many of whom pay little or no income tax, how will they fare under the “fair tax”?

just buy less…

271 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Aug 21, 2014 9:49:01am

re: #251 Charles Johnson

Notice how the cretin is afraid to put the @ symbol in front of my Twitter handle. And he screwed up the link to Mother Jones. And it’s the same story about the Baden autopsy I posted here.

These people are not right in the head.

Yeah I noticed. LOL.

272 William Barnett-Lewis  Aug 21, 2014 9:49:22am

re: #256 Pie-onist Overlord

This fucking moron:

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“That boy’s about as sharp as a bowling ball”
Foghorn Leghorn

273 GlutenFreeJesus  Aug 21, 2014 9:49:45am

re: #95 darthstar

Wow…Sean Hannity talked to a black woman?

Not in the studio though. That’s not allowed!

274 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 21, 2014 9:50:52am

re: #263 lawhawk

Unfairly. As will low-income and middle-income taxpayers.

The rich? They’ll make out like bandits, because the tax will be a fraction on what they spend, while their investments and earnings are untaxed.

As if some living expenses and assorted monthly costs like food, rent, etc., are something that can be voluntary (as in not spending, so not being exposed to the tax).

And voluntary purchases, like new cars, will plummet, That should be great for everyone who works in the industry!

There are not enough desks in the world to set on fire & throw out the window that will quell the rage I have for these “fairtax” fuckbags.

275 lawhawk  Aug 21, 2014 9:51:13am

re: #261 Timothy Watson

If you think the IRS was invasive with an income tax, and the reporting of employment taxes, just wait til they go to a tax that would require monthly or bi-weekly reporting and remittances. Administration would require more people, and auditing would require many times more.

Tax cheaters will try to cheat regardless of the tax type. Tax law is replete with examples of tax cheats for all kinds of taxes - sales and use, motor fuels, excise taxes, etc. If there’s a tax out there, someone has tried to evade it. The ways to cheat are endless too - from not remitting taxes collected (and bagging them as profit) to undercounting sales/revenues, there’s an endless variety of cheaters.

Fair Foul Tax simply shifts the tax burden on to those least able to afford it.

276 HappyWarrior  Aug 21, 2014 9:51:31am

Really a high sales tax would be a disaster in our consumer based economy.

277 Aqua Obama  Aug 21, 2014 9:52:05am

re: #256 Pie-onist Overlord

This fucking moron:

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Obviously they don’t tax the height of doors in FairTaxLand

278 b.d.  Aug 21, 2014 9:52:11am

If we get a “fair tax” sales tax of 20%, I’m digging a tunnel to Mexico and will be smuggling in goods.

279 jaunte  Aug 21, 2014 9:52:51am

CNN/Carol Costello is also reporting the “Josie” hearsay as witness testimony:
dailykos.com

280 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Aug 21, 2014 9:53:10am

re: #276 HappyWarrior

Really a high sales tax would be a disaster in our consumer based economy.

It would eliminate the IRS, and the though of that causes conservatives to get a throbbing hard-on.

281 Timothy Watson  Aug 21, 2014 9:53:29am

re: #276 HappyWarrior

Really a high sales tax would be a disaster in our consumer based economy.

Economics, how the fuck does that work?

:)

282 Lidane  Aug 21, 2014 9:54:24am

It’s not enough to compare the Ferguson protesters to Hamas. Ben Carson continues to flap his pie hole:

Ben Carson: Michael Brown Died Because He Lacked A Father Figure, Political Correctness

He told host Andy Parks that political correctness is distracting people from addressing “real problems” like teen pregnancy and “all of those kids who are born into poverty and will live in poverty and in many cases will end up without a father figure in their life and don’t know how to respond to authority and end up being killed like Michael Brown.”

Once more with feeling: the only reason Michael Brown died was because Darren Wilson was trigger happy and emptied his gun into another human being for no reason. That’s it. End of list.

283 EPR-radar  Aug 21, 2014 9:54:37am

re: #280 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

It would eliminate the IRS, and the though of that causes conservatives to get a throbbing hard-on.

The fact that a sales tax is regressive tends to induce medically significant priapism in conservatives.

284 HappyWarrior  Aug 21, 2014 9:54:40am

re: #280 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

It would eliminate the IRS, and the though of that causes conservatives to get a throbbing hard-on.

Yet it wouldn’t. They think it would but it wouldn’t. It would actually increase bureaucracy.

285 lawhawk  Aug 21, 2014 9:55:11am

re: #276 HappyWarrior

States have tried to expand the tax base, by starting to include certain services as taxable, but that hasn’t gone over well. And if you think the income tax code is crazy, now imagine trying to define prepared food - which is taxable in some situations, but not in others. It’s why there was a stink a few weeks back about whether a hot dog is a sandwich in NY. There’s all kinds of goods and services that have varying definitions and you’d need to standardize them in order to have a uniform tax collection scheme.

As it is, there are efforts to try and make uniform sales and use tax rules, but it’s a mess because not all states conform, and it’s up to each state to decide what to tax. Throw a national sales tax on top, and you’ve got a recipe for disaster (to say nothing of the states’ rights crowd who will complain that the feds are imposing their rules on “our” states’ rights to determine what to tax).

286 EPR-radar  Aug 21, 2014 9:56:24am

re: #284 HappyWarrior

Yet it wouldn’t. They think it would but it wouldn’t. It would actually increase bureaucracy.

It would decrease bureaucracy and the reporting burden for the only people that matter (i.e., the ultra-wealthy).

287 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Aug 21, 2014 9:56:56am

re: #283 EPR-radar

The fact that a sales tax is regressive tends to induce medically significant priapism in conservatives.

If the recession lasts more than four years, elect a Democrat.

288 HappyWarrior  Aug 21, 2014 9:57:17am

re: #282 Lidane

It’s not enough to compare the Ferguson protesters to Hamas. Ben Carson continues to flap his pie hole:

Ben Carson: Michael Brown Died Because He Lacked A Father Figure, Political Correctness

Once more with feeling: the only reason Michael Brown died was because Darren Wilson was trigger happy and emptied his gun into another human being for no reason. That’s it. End of list.

If I were Michael Brown’s father, I’d feel like punching Dr. Carson in the face right about now. Here’s a man who never has met me or my son and he’s attacking his parenting skills and my deceased son. Really fuck you Ben, you may be a brilliant neurosurgeon but at everything else you suck. Enjoy your fifteen minutes of fame with the wingnuts because they’ll turn on you the second you do something to displease them.

289 Decatur Deb  Aug 21, 2014 9:58:47am

re: #275 lawhawk

If you think the IRS was invasive with an income tax, and the reporting of employment taxes, just wait til they go to a tax that would require monthly or bi-weekly reporting and remittances. Administration would require more people, and auditing would require many times more.

Tax cheaters will try to cheat regardless of the tax type. Tax law is replete with examples of tax cheats for all kinds of taxes - sales and use, motor fuels, excise taxes, etc. If there’s a tax out there, someone has tried to evade it. The ways to cheat are endless too - from not remitting taxes collected (and bagging them as profit) to undercounting sales/revenues, there’s an endless variety of cheaters.

Fair Foul Tax simply shifts the tax burden on to those least able to afford it.

Italy has a small income tax, but gets the bulk of its operating cash from VAT. To make that work, they have a separate armed police force, the Guardia di Finanza. Those guys are totes serious about their mission, notoriously busting a baker for not collecting VAT on a pastry he gave to his daughter. They are hated.

290 HappyWarrior  Aug 21, 2014 9:59:12am

I’m done with wingnut bullshit.

291 Feline Fearless Leader  Aug 21, 2014 9:59:47am

re: #278 b.d.

If we get a “fair tax” sales tax of 20%, I’m digging a tunnel to Mexico and will be smuggling in goods.

Larger black market and barter economy. Make money less valuable, let the supply shrink due to being unused. And then re-enact the gold standard.

And the rest of the world howls in laughter as we destroy our own economy. Though they get hurt badly as well due to no longer being able to afford to import goods.

Plus having a bad foreign exchange balance or credit for getting raw materials starts putting pressure on to use other methods for getting materials.

292 HappyWarrior  Aug 21, 2014 9:59:52am

re: #286 EPR-radar

It would decrease bureaucracy and the reporting burden for the only people that matter (i.e., the ultra-wealthy).

Yep and that’s the only thing that matters so the rich can have it a little easier. If it means the rest of us have to do more, so be it, it’s our fault for not being wealthy because being wealthy is everything.

293 EPR-radar  Aug 21, 2014 10:00:19am

re: #288 HappyWarrior

I don’t believe in hell, which is a disappointment when faced with the likes of Ben Carson. Here is someone who richly deserves some kind of imaginative divine punishment for selling out his own for the big bucks.

294 Targetpractice  Aug 21, 2014 10:00:27am

“We’re going to make the tax system less intrusive and complicated!”

“How is that?”

“By requiring you to report every purchase you make every month so we know how much to tax you.”

“Won’t that be more intrusive?”

“Well yes, but think of all the money you’ll save in taxes that are now gone.”

“But I’ll be paying 20% tax on everything I purchase atop the state and local taxes I pay now.”

“Look pal, this gets rid of the IRS, and that’s all we care about. Now smile and nod.”

295 Kragar  Aug 21, 2014 10:01:07am
296 Targetpractice  Aug 21, 2014 10:04:28am

re: #295 Kragar

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It’s never about race until it’s about race. You point out statistics showing that black men are more likely to wind up in jail due to our insane drug laws and you get a shrug about “their culture” or “single parenthood” or any number of moral excuses. But you point to an example of a black man who went far because of affirmative action and they start screaming that it’s “unfair” that he got a leg-up that should have gone to a white guy instead.

297 Minor_L  Aug 21, 2014 10:05:16am

re: #252 lawhawk

O’Reilly says he “can’t confirm” it after making the statement. He knows that no one will pay attention to the fact that he can’t confirm it, and people will just run with it.

298 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Aug 21, 2014 10:06:03am

re: #297 Minor_L

O’Reilly says he “can’t confirm” it after making the statement. He knows that no one will pay attention to the fact that he can’t confirm it, and people will just run with it.

And the Ferguson PD knew that, too…

299 lawhawk  Aug 21, 2014 10:06:54am

The right wingers have exhausted their attacks on Brown for the moment, so they’ve switched gears to going after Darien Johnson

Johnson has revealed little about himself. He attended Lincoln University in Jefferson City for two semesters in 2011, but “wound up back here, struggling to find a job,” Bosley said.

During the summer after his first semester at Lincoln, Johnson was charged with a misdemeanor after giving police a false first name after he was arrested on suspicion of theft. He later pleaded guilty.

He was accused of stealing a package containing a backpack belonging to someone else from an apartment complex. When he was arrested in that case, he identified himself as Derrick Johnson and said he was 16.

An officer found a student ID card in his sock identifying him as Dorian Johnson. Johnson told him he was carrying a friend’s ID, but two Lincoln University Police Officers recognized him as Dorian Johnson. He pleaded guilty in circuit court to a misdemeanor charge of filing a false report.

He is wanted for failing to appear in Jefferson City municipal court to answer to the theft charge, court officials said.

Drudge links to a more inflammatory version that insinuates that Johnson lied about Wilson shooting Brown in the back - while law enforcement admits that Wilson did attempt to shoot Brown in the back, but missed.

300 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 21, 2014 10:07:44am

re: #294 Targetpractice

“We’re going to make the tax system less intrusive and complicated!”

“How is that?”

“By requiring you to report every purchase you make every month so we know how much to tax you.”

“Won’t that be more intrusive?”

“Well yes, but think of all the money you’ll save in taxes that are now gone.”

“But I’ll be paying 20% tax on everything I purchase atop the state and local taxes I pay now.”

“Look pal, this gets rid of the IRS, and that’s all we care about. Now smile and nod.”

Oh and, what the wingnuts love TEH MOAST about “FuckYouTax” is that BUSINESS IS EXEMPT.

301 Dr. Matt  Aug 21, 2014 10:08:45am
302 Targetpractice  Aug 21, 2014 10:09:11am

re: #299 lawhawk

The right wingers have exhausted their attacks on Brown for the moment, so they’ve switched gears to going after Darien Johnson

In other words, now it’s time to paint Johnson as a liar in the hopes of destroying his credibility if this goes to trial. I’m sure we can expect this to be among the items that the defense will want to bring to trial.

303 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 21, 2014 10:10:48am

I already pay a 6% state sales tax, a 7% county tax on insurance, and (depending on where I shop) an additional local sales tax, all completely separate from my state and federal incomes taxes (oh, and let us not forget those municipalities that also assess an income/payroll tax).
The state and local entities sure as hell aren’t going to give up that revenue in lieu of a 20% “fair flat tax”.

304 Schadenboner  Aug 21, 2014 10:10:54am

re: #300 Pie-onist Overlord

Oh and, what the wingnuts love TEH MOAST about “FuckYouTax” is that BUSINESS IS EXEMPT.

I’m confused. B2B purchases can’t possibly be exempted. That’s too stupid even for them.

Otherwise I’m going to have to make Schadenboner, Inc…

305 Gus  Aug 21, 2014 10:10:57am
306 Kragar  Aug 21, 2014 10:12:02am
307 jaunte  Aug 21, 2014 10:13:31am

re: #306 Kragar

308 Targetpractice  Aug 21, 2014 10:13:47am

re: #303 Backwoods_Sleuth

I already pay a 6% state sales tax, a 7% county tax on insurance, and (depending on where I shop) an additional local sales tax, all completely separate from my state and federal incomes taxes (oh, and let us not forget those municipalities that also assess an income/payroll tax).
The state and local entities sure as hell aren’t going to give up that revenue in lieu of a 20% “fair flat tax”.

Of course not. If anything, they’ll raise their own taxes on the grounds that, with the various federal taxes now gone, people can afford higher taxes at the state and local levels.

309 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 21, 2014 10:14:42am

re: #304 Schadenboner

I’m confused. B2B purchases can’t possibly be exempted. That’s too stupid even for them.

They really are that stupid:

The FairTax is a single-rate, federal retail sales tax collected only once, at the final point of purchase of new goods and services for personal consumption. Used items are not taxed. Business-to-business purchases for the production of goods and services are not taxed. A prebate makes the effective rate progressive.

Their FAQ is a huge pile of derp. I’m beginning to wonder if this is really all an elaborate hoax.

310 lawhawk  Aug 21, 2014 10:14:58am

re: #300 Pie-onist Overlord

E&Y posted an update to the business taxes imposed nationally, and you’d be surprised how many states rely heavily on income taxes on business to form their state budgets.

business share of total state and local taxes

311 WhatEVs  Aug 21, 2014 10:15:42am
312 Kragar  Aug 21, 2014 10:16:44am
313 Schadenboner  Aug 21, 2014 10:16:54am

re: #309 Pie-onist Overlord

They really are that stupid:

BRB, incorporating.

314 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 21, 2014 10:17:13am

re: #311 WhatEVs

canadafreepress.com

Why are you linking to a hate-crazed wingnut site without comment? Not clicking on that shit.

315 Decatur Deb  Aug 21, 2014 10:17:15am

re: #309 Pie-onist Overlord

They really are that stupid:

That’s just silly.

316 Dr. Matt  Aug 21, 2014 10:18:18am

re: #311 WhatEVs

canadafreepress.com

(WND + Moony Times + Breitbart) * Canada = canadafreepress.com

317 Timothy Watson  Aug 21, 2014 10:19:19am

re: #311 WhatEVs

canadafreepress.com

Something that was debunked a day or two ago?

318 WhatEVs  Aug 21, 2014 10:19:32am

re: #314 Pie-onist Overlord

Why are you linking to a hate-crazed wingnut site without comment? Not clicking on that shit.

I found it interesting. I was searching for something else when I read that. It’s questioning the timeline of the woman “reporter” from the St. Louis Post Dispatch that started the whole BREAKING thing the other night.

It didn’t read as wingnut to me at all. I just thought it was interesting. I didn’t realize I needed to put my own spin on what I thought was something that might interest others.

319 jaunte  Aug 21, 2014 10:19:45am

re: #309 Pie-onist Overlord

Is the FairTax fair?
Yes, the FairTax is fair, and in fact, much fairer than the income tax. Wealthy people spend more money than other individuals. They buy expensive cars, big houses, and yachts. They buy filet mignon instead of hamburger, fine wine instead of beer, designer dresses, and expensive jewelry. The FairTax taxes them on these purchases. If, however, they use their money to build job-creating factories, finance research and development to create new products, or fund charitable activities (all of which help improve the standard of living of others), then those activities are not taxed.

Hilarious.

320 Schadenboner  Aug 21, 2014 10:19:47am

SCHADENBONER, INC. proudly releases it’s RFP for the procurement of doritos.

Good shopkeep, would you like to submit a proposal?

321 prairiefire  Aug 21, 2014 10:20:07am

re: #228 Lidane

Glibertarian and Authoritarian Police State.

322 WhatEVs  Aug 21, 2014 10:20:25am

re: #317 Timothy Watson

Something that was debunked a day or two ago?

Ok, I completely misread it then. I thought this was questioning the timing and veracity of what the STL P-D reporter wrote.

My bad.

323 Decatur Deb  Aug 21, 2014 10:20:28am

re: #317 Timothy Watson

Something that was debunked a day or two ago?

It’s Canada. The last hundred miles was a parchment paddled by canoe.

324 Timothy Watson  Aug 21, 2014 10:20:29am

re: #309 Pie-onist Overlord

They really are that stupid:

Their FAQ is a huge pile of derp. I’m beginning to wonder if this is really all an elaborate hoax.

What the frak is a “prebate”?

325 Schadenboner  Aug 21, 2014 10:21:22am

re: #319 jaunte

Is the FairTax fair?
Yes, the FairTax is fair, and in fact, much fairer than the income tax. Wealthy people spend more money than other individuals. They buy expensive cars, big houses, and yachts. They buy filet mignon instead of hamburger, fine wine instead of beer, designer dresses, and expensive jewelry. The FairTax taxes them on these purchases. If, however, they use their money to build job-creating factories, finance research and development to create new products, or fund charitable activities (all of which help improve the standard of living of others), then those activities are not taxed.

Hilarious.

You know, for people who jerk off about being the “Party of business”, and pretend to include small businesses in that, they are breathtakingly bad at Economics.

326 lawhawk  Aug 21, 2014 10:21:58am

re: #324 Timothy Watson

It’s an up-front rebate. You get it in advance of the purchase, instead of waiting until after the purchase to get money back.

327 Kragar  Aug 21, 2014 10:22:20am
328 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 21, 2014 10:22:23am
329 Bulworth  Aug 21, 2014 10:22:31am

re:
#305

Well, if she wants to protest she should go to the Bundy Ranch because Tyranny. ////

330 Decatur Deb  Aug 21, 2014 10:22:53am

re: #324 Timothy Watson

What the frak is a “prebate”?

“Because you have $7/hr to live on, and we’re going to take 20% of it, have this avocado.”

331 Timothy Watson  Aug 21, 2014 10:23:06am

re: #326 lawhawk

It’s an up-front rebate. You get it in advance of the purchase, instead of waiting until after the purchase to get money back.

How would that even work? You register with the government and get a card where they can track everything you purchase and decide to give you a lower tax rate on a purchase?

332 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 21, 2014 10:23:19am

re: #318 WhatEVs

I found it interesting. I was searching for something else when I read that. It’s questioning the timeline of the woman “reporter” from the St. Louis Post Dispatch that started the whole BREAKING thing the other night.

It didn’t read as wingnut to me at all. I just thought it was interesting. I didn’t realize I needed to put my own spin on what I thought was something that might interest others.

Canadafreepress is like gatewaypundit so we are wary of it.

333 Schadenboner  Aug 21, 2014 10:23:41am

re: #327 Kragar

Ablowhard says what?

334 jaunte  Aug 21, 2014 10:23:44am
335 Bulworth  Aug 21, 2014 10:24:02am

re:
#326

Get it from who? Is it deducted from the up front cost? How will the retailer/business know who to apply it to?

336 jaunte  Aug 21, 2014 10:24:17am

“The Columbia Daily Tribune is a 20,000+ circulation daily newspaper in Columbia, Missouri.”

Mainstreaming bigotry.

337 Timothy Watson  Aug 21, 2014 10:24:37am

re: #325 Schadenboner, Inc.

You know, for people who jerk off about being the “Party of business”, and pretends to include small businesses in that, they are breathtakingly bad at Economics.

I wonder what would happen to charitable giving if there was no tax incentive to do it…

338 Kragar  Aug 21, 2014 10:25:11am
339 Bulworth  Aug 21, 2014 10:25:36am

re:
#331

It sounds like a tax deduction, which the fairtax right says they want to get rid of. Because OMG taxes are complicated!

340 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 21, 2014 10:25:39am

Maybe fairtax.org is a spoof site?

341 Bulworth  Aug 21, 2014 10:26:16am

re:
#338

DISgusting!! Voter Fraud!!!1111

343 Targetpractice  Aug 21, 2014 10:26:39am

re: #319 jaunte

Hilarious.

Yes, rich people buy expensive things. But they’re not buying a new yacht every month, and all that expensive food can no doubt be bought in a fashion that avoids the majority of the sales tax. If there’s anything the rich of this nation know how to do well, it’s avoid taxes like the fucking plague.

344 allegro  Aug 21, 2014 10:26:52am

re: #339 Bulworth

re:
#331

It sounds like a tax deduction, which the fairtax right says they want to get rid of. Because OMG taxes are complicated!

Until they want their child credits and mortgage deductions. “Hey! That’s not fair!”

345 Decatur Deb  Aug 21, 2014 10:27:00am

re: #337 Timothy Watson

I wonder what would happen to charitable giving if there was no tax incentive to do it…

It would become charity instead of an accounting trick.

346 Decatur Deb  Aug 21, 2014 10:27:31am

re: #340 Pie-onist Overlord

Maybe fairtax.org is a spoof site?

Depends. Define “spoof”.

347 jaunte  Aug 21, 2014 10:27:53am

re: #343 Targetpractice

The rich could never consume to the level needed to make up for the tax shortfall. It’s a stupid argument.

348 Kragar  Aug 21, 2014 10:28:27am

re: #347 jaunte

The rich could never consume to the level needed to make up for the tax shortfall. It’s a stupid argument.

When has that ever stopped conservatives?

349 WhatEVs  Aug 21, 2014 10:28:39am

re: #332 Pie-onist Overlord

You guys are far more well read than me. And re-reading it, I see what the issue is. I misread it initially.

This is the article I was Googling when I found the other one.

stltoday.com

I don’t like bringing families into all of this. I don’t think it’s right. I read things about Brown’s mother, and all the other people involved, and because of that, I found this interesting and ultimately sadder. Wilson came from a very poor upbringing and his mother had her issues with the law (she received 5 years of probation for stealing and forgery [check kiting and credit card theft). I would have hoped that he might have had more compassion for people who are on the lower economic scale because of that upbringing.

All that said, how often does a person of color get 5 years of probation for stealing and forgery?

350 lawhawk  Aug 21, 2014 10:28:50am

re: #335 Bulworth

Tax prebates work where you have regular repeating expenses/tax obligations. It’s often found in property tax situations. Vermont has a prebate for homesteads. You’re dealing directly with the taxing jurisdiction, and they have all the information and issue a prebate based on your information they have to date. You still have to apply, but there’s a process set up.

It doesn’t make any sense in a sales tax environment since you’re not likely to make the same purchases from the same place every time. It would require more invasive tracking of purchases and purchasers, than the right wing, let alone the libertarians, already complains about with government interference. It would be a total mess.

351 Timothy Watson  Aug 21, 2014 10:28:59am

Another question: Would everything be taxed? Even medical prescriptions? I’m sure that’ll go over well…

352 KingKenrod  Aug 21, 2014 10:30:41am

re: #331 Timothy Watson

How would that even work? You register with the government and get a card where they can track everything you purchase and decide to give you a lower tax rate on a purchase?

It’s a cash payment to every taxpayer. It’s a like an income tax refund except everyone gets the same thing, at the beginning of the tax year. It makes the sales tax less regressive.

353 Lidane  Aug 21, 2014 10:30:44am

Fox’s Keith Ablow Tells Female Co-Hosts They Could Stand to ‘Lose Five Pounds,’ Chaos Ensues

Asked by co-host Harris Faulkner how he knew Obama had “struggled” with weight, Ablow said if Obama hadn’t struggled, she has “chosen to be much heavier” at points in her life.

Ablow then said to all four women co-hosting the show that “each” of them, including himself, “could lose five pounds, probably.”

His female co-hosts then tore into him, shouting and talking over him for basically talking out of his big ass.

354 Decatur Deb  Aug 21, 2014 10:30:58am

re: #351 Timothy Watson

Another question: Would everything be taxed? Even medical prescriptions? I’m sure that’ll go over well…

Alabama taxes food and OTC meds. Until a year ago, they taxed prescriptions.

355 Timothy Watson  Aug 21, 2014 10:31:48am

re: #352 KingKenrod

It’s a cash payment to every taxpayer. It’s a like an income tax refund except everyone gets the same thing, at the beginning of the tax year. It makes the sales tax less regressive.

So, essentially a guaranteed minimum income?

356 Gus  Aug 21, 2014 10:32:47am
357 allegro  Aug 21, 2014 10:33:38am

re: #353 Lidane

Fox’s Keith Ablow Tells Female Co-Hosts They Could Stand to ‘Lose Five Pounds,’ Chaos Ensues

I know how he can lose about 10 pounds of stupid… but I’ll just stop there.

358 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 21, 2014 10:35:11am
359 Timothy Watson  Aug 21, 2014 10:35:22am

re: #356 Gus

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WTF?

360 Decatur Deb  Aug 21, 2014 10:35:38am

The end-state of the Fair Taxers is a thinly-populated country with robber barons and an uneducated agrarian class trading pelts for moonshine. This is a feature, not a bug.

362 Gus  Aug 21, 2014 10:36:19am

re: #359 Timothy Watson

WTF?

Got me. :D

363 KingKenrod  Aug 21, 2014 10:36:33am

re: #355 Timothy Watson

So, essentially a guaranteed minimum income?

I wouldn’t put it that way. It’s supposed to cover sales taxes for low income people so that they pay zero net sales taxes.

364 Lidane  Aug 21, 2014 10:36:40am

re: #360 Decatur Deb

The end-state of the Fair Taxers is a thinly-populated country with robber barons and an uneducated agrarian class trading pelts for moonshine. This is a feature, not a bug.

So what you’re saying is that the Fair Taxers and the libertarians have the same utopia in mind.

365 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 21, 2014 10:37:20am

Wow so Jesus very patriot==>

366 Bulworth  Aug 21, 2014 10:37:23am

re:
#350

Thanks.

367 WhatEVs  Aug 21, 2014 10:37:26am

re: #361 Lidane

WTFITS:

Steve Deace Links Michael Brown Shooting To Lax Immigration Enforcement

Of course. It’s hard to link it to BENGHAZI!!!11!

368 Gus  Aug 21, 2014 10:37:31am

Herding lefties is like herding cats. Herding righties is like lab rats.

369 jaunte  Aug 21, 2014 10:38:06am

re: #356 Gus

Sounds to me there is a #WarOnElectedOfficials that want to better the lives of their families by taking large sums of cash from people who want political favors.

370 Decatur Deb  Aug 21, 2014 10:38:08am

re: #364 Lidane

So what you’re saying is that the Fair Taxers and the libertarians have the same utopia in mind.

Galt’s Gulch is what. Fair tax is how.

371 allegro  Aug 21, 2014 10:38:08am

re: #368 Gus

Herding lefties is like herding cats. Herding righties is like lab rats.

More like lemmings.

372 klys  Aug 21, 2014 10:38:34am

re: #368 Gus

Herding lefties is like herding cats. Herding righties is like lab rats.

I like cats.

373 lawhawk  Aug 21, 2014 10:38:40am

Oh, and another problem with the Foul Tax. Most every state keys their own income tax on the federal income tax. They conform to the IRC (Internal Revenue Code), adopting the provisions, rules, regulations, and other federal guidance - with state-specific changes based on state preferences (like not adopting bonus depreciation or capital gains rules or net operating losses). This would force all the states that currently have an income tax to either enact their own tax provisions - matching what the IRC previously had, or force the states to pick up a new tax regime that doesn’t match what these states have done for decades.

If you run a multistate business (you know, like the Microsofts, Kochs, Costcos, Walmarts, etc.), that’s the worst possible scenario since you have some measure of consistency when everyone works off the IRC as a starting point, but if all of a sudden you’re not forcing each state to compute their income tax differently, they’ll take different approaches, and leads to vastly more complicated multistate tax situations. Tax lawyers would love it because it would mean more business at the state tax level, but that’s about all who’d benefit.

And as I noted above, some states rely more heavily on business taxes than others.

374 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 21, 2014 10:38:44am

From its profile:

Obama is destroying us. STOP the islamization of America! Stop Amnesty, Christian, PRO LIFE,Support Israel, 1A, 2A, PC nonsense is for COWARDS! #NRA ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ
Communist Connecticut

375 Aunty Entity Dragon  Aug 21, 2014 10:38:52am

Here is an extra helping of racist derp from some of the NYPD’s finest at the unlovely cops-only forum…Thee Rant.

From “Old School Cop”

Unread Message More Communist horse$hit by Holder. Distrustful of the evil Caucasian police? How do you think the police feel about blacks?
Lead [-]

avatar

Posts: 760

4 hours ago

Tags : None
The Communist “Attorney General” has finally come out and said it. His blackness trumps his responsibility to this nation.

If he were a member of the evil Caucasian tribe, it would be time to resign.

However, if you’re black in America…please feel free to stoke the flames of racial discord and bring the focus of all events to the racial forefront of everyone’s minds.

All the while supported by a complicit media, and all the while maintaining a zero liability stance under the leaky umbrella of righteous indignation.

It’s NEVER the black man’s fault, right Holder? It’s NEVER the black man’s RESPONSIBILITY either, right?

Just like how the black “man” in America takes responsibility for his spawn, right?

What an example the black man has set for future generations.

The blacks in this country are being sold out by their very own, just like 400 years ago.

Just blame whites, it has worked out VERY well for the industrious hard working black man thus far…no?

Keep up the good work, stay quiet regarding black on black crimes…YOUR PEOPLE are doing a great job wiping each other out.

Commies like you will put the KKK out of business.

foxnews.com

Newsflash counselor, communism hasn’t worked ANYWHERE in this world, EVER.

And it will NOT work here either.

Racial extortionists will fail, America will prevail. Land of the FREE, and home of the BRAVE.

- OSC

This one (Tag name “Broom”) compares the attorney general to a lemur:

Eric Holder (stolen White Man’s name) is the first and last black US Attorney General and when he is out on his ass like the ring-tail in the WH he will be seeing federal prison in his future!smiley: happy

“Broom” comments on Rev Al Sharpton meeting the Attorney General:

Did their genitals touch; did they have a “Matthews tingle”? Did Banjo Eyes ever get around to cutting off Obongo’s dic-k?

How much of the swag do they divvy up with Eric (stolen White Man’s name )Holder?

“Broom” expressing his opinion on the Brown family lawyers:

All of them “AFRO”mative Action retards that were passéd thru all the way up to their law licensing exam! Retarded apes, their mouths filled with marbles!

Particularly Bubba Gump Esq. smiley: laugh

“Broom” on Governor Nixon:

Nixon should still go home and swallow rat poison!

“Newsday’s Lies” continues the Governor Nixon thread:

megyn kelly is a lil cop hating cvnt, too.
islip public safety commissioner john carney is a cop hating political hack

“Broom” eager beaver that he is, responds:

“megyn kelly is a lil cop hating cvnt, too.”’

I noticed that too when she was yaking with Mark Furman LAPD Det. (ret) and kept interrupting him!

Little Miss Sparkly and Bubbly Cun-t, with the phony laughter all the time!

The “look at me I’m wonderful, and your not” attitude!

These are guys with badge and a gun in NYC who stop and frisk. Think about that…

376 WhatEVs  Aug 21, 2014 10:39:29am

re: #374 Pie-onist Overlord

Obama is destroying us. STOP the islamization of America! Stop Amnesty, Christian, PRO LIFE,Support Israel, 1A, 2A, PC nonsense is for COWARDS! #NRA ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ
Communist Connecticut

He sounds nice.

377 Decatur Deb  Aug 21, 2014 10:40:55am

re: #375 Aunty Entity Dragon

Here is an extra helping of racist derp from some of the NYPD’s finest at there unlovely cops-only forum…Thee Rant.

From “Old School Cop”

This one (Tag name “Broom”) compares the attorney general to a lemur:

“Broom” comments on Rev Al Sharpton meeting the Attorney General:

“Broom” expressing his opinion on the Brown family lawyers:

“Broom” on Governor Nixon:

“Newsday’s Lies” continues the Governor Nixon thread:

“Broom” eager beaver that he is, responds:

These are guys with badge and a gun in NYC who stop and frisk. Think about that…

Do you want to slip that under the Chief Justice’s door?

378 WhatEVs  Aug 21, 2014 10:41:05am

re: #375 Aunty Entity Dragon

I do not understand how these people who explicitly post this stuff are allowed to keep their jobs.

379 Schadenboner  Aug 21, 2014 10:41:06am

re: #374 Pie-onist Overlord

From its profile:

Another GUFIist.

380 Bulworth  Aug 21, 2014 10:42:08am

re:
#374

Person sounds rather excited.

381 klys  Aug 21, 2014 10:42:23am

re: #373 lawhawk

Oh, and another problem with the Foul Tax. Most every state keys their own income tax on the federal income tax. They conform to the IRC (Internal Revenue Code), adopting the provisions, rules, regulations, and other federal guidance - with state-specific changes based on state preferences (like not adopting bonus depreciation or capital gains rules or net operating losses). This would force all the states that currently have an income tax to either enact their own tax provisions - matching what the IRC previously had, or force the states to pick up a new tax regime that doesn’t match what these states have done for decades.

If you run a multistate business (you know, like the Microsofts, Kochs, Costcos, Walmarts, etc.), that’s the worst possible scenario since you have some measure of consistency when everyone works off the IRC as a starting point, but if all of a sudden you’re not forcing each state to compute their income tax differently, they’ll take different approaches, and leads to vastly more complicated multistate tax situations. Tax lawyers would love it because it would mean more business at the state tax level, but that’s about all who’d benefit.

And as I noted above, some states rely more heavily on business taxes than others.

I was actually surprised to see that TX gets a much higher percentage of its budgets (both state and local) from businesses than CA does.

The cynic in mean says it’s because TX doesn’t want to pay for diddlysquat and so the budgets are tiny, but.

382 lawhawk  Aug 21, 2014 10:42:47am

re: #374 Pie-onist Overlord

A Geller acolyte? SIOA?

383 Lidane  Aug 21, 2014 10:42:51am

re: #374 Pie-onist Overlord

Sounds like he’d be a barrel of laughs at a party.

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384 KingKenrod  Aug 21, 2014 10:43:24am

re: #381 klys

I was actually surprised to see that TX gets a much higher percentage of its budgets (both state and local) from businesses than CA does.

The cynic in mean says it’s because TX doesn’t want to pay for diddlysquat and so the budgets are tiny, but.

There’s no income tax in Texas, so other taxes - sales, property, business - tend to be higher.

385 klys  Aug 21, 2014 10:43:47am

Drove over that bridge last month. Pretty much.

386 Bulworth  Aug 21, 2014 10:44:06am

er:
#375

I’m a little surprised this cop forum is as open as it is.

387 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 21, 2014 10:44:50am

Wow so educate==>

388 Schadenboner  Aug 21, 2014 10:44:59am

re: #385 klys

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Drove over that bridge last month. Pretty much.

I guess I’m not familiar-enough with California hydrology. Was 2011 an especially wet year?

389 Jenner7  Aug 21, 2014 10:45:27am

re: #91 Lidane

Megyn Kelly lectured Trayvon Martin’s father last night, as well. Apparently blah people don’t know the law. These people make me sick.

390 Lidane  Aug 21, 2014 10:46:11am

Responsible gun ownership:

A man in Laurel County, Ky. has been charged after police said he accidentally fired his gun into his downstairs neighbor’s home while he was cleaning up beer that had spilled on his gun case.

According to television station WLEX, police said Kenneth Adams was cleaning up the spill when the gun went off. They found numerous beer cans in his home and reported that Adams reeked of alcohol.

391 Aunty Entity Dragon  Aug 21, 2014 10:46:32am

re: #386 Bulworth

er:
#375

I’m a little surprised this cop forum is as open as it is.

Thee Rant is an outright sewer. officer.com and policeone.com have some standards, but you still get real heavy doses of authoritarian bullshit mixed with tiny violin playing pity parties.

392 Kragar  Aug 21, 2014 10:47:05am

re: #387 Pie-onist Overlord

Wow so educate==>

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393 BeachDem  Aug 21, 2014 10:47:16am

re: #325 Schadenboner, Inc.

You know, for people who jerk off about being the “Party of business”, and pretend to include small businesses in that, they are breathtakingly bad at Economics.

We have a guy running for governor here in SC, whose latest commercial calls for

Eliminating the state income tax
Increasing minimum wage (which he says will be offset by small business tax credits—say what?)
Repairing all the roads and bridges
Fixing the Port of Charleston

He says it’s common sense, not rocket science. Um hum.

(I just hope he pulls enough right wing votes away from Nikki Haley to actually allow Vincent Sheheen to win)

394 allegro  Aug 21, 2014 10:47:19am

re: #390 Lidane

Responsible gun ownership:

How does one clean up a beer spill with a gun? Shoot it away?

395 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 21, 2014 10:47:57am

OK had fun, blocked it now.

396 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 21, 2014 10:48:51am

re: #338 Kragar

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Irony: the “no guns” graphic on the door.

397 Aunty Entity Dragon  Aug 21, 2014 10:49:31am

re: #389 Jenner7

Megyn Kelly lectured Trayvon Martin’s father last night, as well. Apparently blah people don’t know the law. These people make me sick.

Which didn’t stop some of the NYPD guys from calling her a “cop hating ****”.

I have serious questions about the psyche exams these guys supposedly have.

398 klys  Aug 21, 2014 10:49:51am

re: #388 Schadenboner, Inc.

I’m not familiar-enough with California hydrology. Was 2011 an especially wet year?

It was a decent year. It also marks before the current drought started.

2013 was the driest year on record in the state, and 2014 hasn’t been much better (I don’t know if we’re exactly ahead or behind).

399 Kragar  Aug 21, 2014 10:50:39am

Oh, got him riled up

400 b.d.  Aug 21, 2014 10:51:49am

She sounds nice…

401 Aunty Entity Dragon  Aug 21, 2014 10:52:02am

re: #398 klys

It was a decent year. It also marks before the current drought started.

2013 was the driest year on record in the state, and 2014 hasn’t been much better (I don’t know if we’re exactly ahead or behind).

My understanding is that the state has about 2 years of water left at current consumption, and that irreplaceable aquifer assets are being depleted (along with associated ground subsidence).

This may be the end for much of California agriculture.

402 BeachDem  Aug 21, 2014 10:52:08am

re: #338 Kragar

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But MO Republicans already said that was disgusting and inappropriate. How dare Mr. French go against their advice. //

403 Decatur Deb  Aug 21, 2014 10:52:10am

re: #390 Lidane

Responsible gun ownership:

A man in Laurel County, Ky. has been charged after police said he accidentally fired his gun into his downstairs neighbor’s home while he was cleaning up beer that had spilled on his gun case.

That’s shocking !!

Never saw a two-story building in Laurel Cty.

404 HappyWarrior  Aug 21, 2014 10:52:47am

So, I see since I had my lunch that all sorts of crazy theories about Brown’s murder and what’s responsible are being floated around by the RWNJs.

405 Gus  Aug 21, 2014 10:52:52am

re: #399 Kragar

Oh, got him riled up

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“High school” shouldn’t be capitalized. Tell it!

406 HappyWarrior  Aug 21, 2014 10:54:11am

re: #338 Kragar

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This is actually the kind of event that should have people registering to vote. We vote for our law enforcement, we vote for prosecutors, etc. The fact that the MO GOP finds this “disgusting” shows to me that they want the African-American residents to just accept the status quo.

407 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 21, 2014 10:54:40am

GOHMERT!!!

408 Gus  Aug 21, 2014 10:54:52am

Yikes! It followed me. Blocked and unblocked. Whew.

409 HappyWarrior  Aug 21, 2014 10:55:01am

re: #397 Aunty Entity Dragon

Which didn’t stop some of the NYPD guys from calling her a “cop hating ****”.

I have serious questions about the psyche exams these guys supposedly have.

I’m starting to too.

410 ObserverArt  Aug 21, 2014 10:55:33am

I am so sick of the PIOOYA* news coverage. It’s been going on and much of it was political and produced by FOX News. With this Ferguson Shooting, it is almost everyone in the media.

If the media gets no kickback on all this, PIOOYA will become standard practice and we will be a lesser society for it.

*Pull It Out Of Your Ass

411 HappyWarrior  Aug 21, 2014 10:56:24am

re: #410 ObserverArt

I am so sick of the PIOOYA* news coverage. It’s been going on and much of it was political and produced by FOX News. With this Ferguson Shooting, it is almost everyone in the media.

If the media gets no kickback on all this, PIOOYA will become standard practice and we will be a lesser society for it.

*Pull It Out Of Your Ass

Honest Art, I’m shocked that no one has blamed the real culprit for Brown’s shooting yet. Gay marriage.

412 HappyWarrior  Aug 21, 2014 10:57:30am

But just with gun violence, the RWNJs want to blame everything but the obvious elephant in the room.

413 Decatur Deb  Aug 21, 2014 10:57:57am

re: #411 HappyWarrior

Honest Art, I’m shocked that no one has blamed the real culprit for Brown’s shooting yet. Gay marriage.

Capital gains tax.

414 Higgs Boson's Mate  Aug 21, 2014 10:58:12am

re: #407 Pie-onist Overlord

GOHMERT!!!

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Having had some on-the-ground experience in counter insurgency warfare, I hereby volunteer to help Rep. Gohmert get into his combat gear for the protracted battle to annihilate ISIS.

415 ObserverArt  Aug 21, 2014 10:59:49am

re: #368 Gus

Herding lefties is like herding cats. Herding righties is like lab rats.

Is there also some Pavlov’s dog (classical conditioning) involved with the conservative far righties? I think that is one of FOX News’ tricks.

416 klys  Aug 21, 2014 11:00:33am

re: #401 Aunty Entity Dragon

My understanding is that the state has about 2 years of water left at current consumption, and that irreplaceable aquifer assets are being depleted (along with associated ground subsidence).

This may be the end for much of California agriculture.

I would quibble that aquifer assets aren’t irreplaceable, but the timescale for doing so is not a terribly helpful one.

417 HappyWarrior  Aug 21, 2014 11:02:13am

re: #415 ObserverArt

Is there also some Pavlov’s dog (classical conditioning) involved with the conservative far righties? I think that is one of FOX News’ tricks.

My test would be showing Obama doing something really outlandish and seeing how many believe it. It’s a form of confirmation bias believing what you want to believe because you already have your mind made up about the person in question. For example, if you were to tell the average FNC viewer that Obama’s favorite book was Mein Kempf, they’d believe it.

418 Higgs Boson's Mate  Aug 21, 2014 11:03:40am

re: #411 HappyWarrior

Honest Art, I’m shocked that no one has blamed the real culprit for Brown’s shooting yet. Gay marriage.

Ban on school prayer.

419 ObserverArt  Aug 21, 2014 11:06:03am

re: #418 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Ban on school prayer.

We could turn this into some kind of parlor game.

420 BeachDem  Aug 21, 2014 11:12:18am

re: #370 Decatur Deb

Galt’s Gulch is what. Fair tax is how.

Way back in 2004, when now esteemed head of Heritage Foundation, Jim DeMint was running for Senate, here’s what he had to say on Meet the Press. Talk about argle bargle.

MR. RUSSERT: Well, hold on. When you say, “I want to abolish the IRS,” that sounds good and people say, “Oh, isn’t that a great idea?”

REP. DeMINT: Sure.

MR. RUSSERT: (long statement about bill DeMint co-sponsored and Washington Post criticism of it)
That’s an idea that you co-sponsored.

REP. DeMINT: I would not support any bill that raised the taxes on any American, and I never have, over 50 times I’ve voted

MR. RUSSERT: But what would do you?

REP. DeMINT: And it depends on how you shape that sales tax plan…(blah blah)

MR. RUSSERT: Will you have a refundable aspect for the poor?

REP. DeMINT: Well, I’m glad you asked that, Tim, because if just had a straight sales tax, it will hurt people.

MR. RUSSERT: But then you’re not abolishing the IRS. You need a bureaucracy in order to oversee and manage the refundability. ( Note: I remember watching this and Russert was really trying not to laugh in his face)

REP. DeMINT: …We could reduce the cost of taxes on every American. And, Tim, I just want to make it clear, I wouldn’t vote for any plan that came out of the House that raised taxes on lower income.

MR. RUSSERT: The personal income tax is a progressive tax, the more you make, the higher the tax you pay. A sales tax is across the board. It hits everybody.

REP. DeMINT: Not with refunds. And you look at the different plans. They all have exceptions or refunds to hold the poor harmless, and I would not vote for any sales tax plan that raised taxes on the poor or middle class or anyone.

MSNBC Video

421 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Aug 21, 2014 11:13:07am

re: #351 Timothy Watson

Another question: Would everything be taxed? Even medical prescriptions? I’m sure that’ll go over well…

And every male would be compelled to return to the city of his birth so that the Whole World might be Taxed.

422 Higgs Boson's Mate  Aug 21, 2014 11:19:27am

re: #419 ObserverArt

We could turn this into some kind of parlor game.

As long as it isn’t a drinking game. My liver couldn’t take that.

423 Feline Fearless Leader  Aug 21, 2014 11:25:37am

re: #331 Timothy Watson

How would that even work? You register with the government and get a card where they can track everything you purchase and decide to give you a lower tax rate on a purchase?

Same concept as a cash discount.

424 Feline Fearless Leader  Aug 21, 2014 11:32:20am

re: #410 ObserverArt

I am so sick of the PIOOYA* news coverage. It’s been going on and much of it was political and produced by FOX News. With this Ferguson Shooting, it is almost everyone in the media.

If the media gets no kickback on all this, PIOOYA will become standard practice and we will be a lesser society for it.

*Pull It Out Of Your Ass

They’ve hired C.M.O.T. Dibbler to sit in a back room and write the headlines and stories for them. Saves them a lot of time and money having journalists on staff. The latter might actually deliver uncomfortable facts.
//

425 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 21, 2014 11:33:44am

re: #420 BeachDem

Way back in 2004, when now esteemed head of Heritage Foundation, Jim DeMint was running for Senate, here’s what he had to say on Meet the Press. Talk about argle bargle.

MR. RUSSERT: Well, hold on. When you say, “I want to abolish the IRS,” that sounds good and people say, “Oh, isn’t that a great idea?”

REP. DeMINT: Sure.

MR. RUSSERT: (long statement about bill DeMint co-sponsored and Washington Post criticism of it)
That’s an idea that you co-sponsored.

REP. DeMINT: I would not support any bill that raised the taxes on any American, and I never have, over 50 times I’ve voted

MR. RUSSERT: But what would do you?

REP. DeMINT: And it depends on how you shape that sales tax plan…(blah blah)

MR. RUSSERT: Will you have a refundable aspect for the poor?

REP. DeMINT: Well, I’m glad you asked that, Tim, because if just had a straight sales tax, it will hurt people.

MR. RUSSERT: But then you’re not abolishing the IRS. You need a bureaucracy in order to oversee and manage the refundability. ( Note: I remember watching this and Russert was really trying not to laugh in his face)

REP. DeMINT: …We could reduce the cost of taxes on every American. And, Tim, I just want to make it clear, I wouldn’t vote for any plan that came out of the House that raised taxes on lower income.

MR. RUSSERT: The personal income tax is a progressive tax, the more you make, the higher the tax you pay. A sales tax is across the board. It hits everybody.

REP. DeMINT: Not with refunds. And you look at the different plans. They all have exceptions or refunds to hold the poor harmless, and I would not vote for any sales tax plan that raised taxes on the poor or middle class or anyone.

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426 BeachDem  Aug 21, 2014 11:36:37am

re: #425 Backwoods_Sleuth

You need to page this.

Maybe tomorrow (once I figure out how to do a page)


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