The Michael Brown Shooting Incident Report Is Ridiculous

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The ACLU of Missouri filed a lawsuit to get Michael Brown’s shooting incident report released, and well… just read it for yourself.

It won’t take long. Just a few seconds. Because there’s almost no information in it.

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UPDATE at 8/22/14 10:44:03 am by Charles Johnson

And the Ferguson police department’s incident report is simply… blank.

UPDATE at 8/22/14 11:00:10 am by Charles Johnson

By putting almost no information in the reports, these two police departments have left themselves room to tell almost any story they want.

UPDATE at 8/22/14 11:23:18 am by Charles Johnson

For comparison, here’s the incident report Ferguson PD filed on the convenience store robbery right before the shooting of Michael Brown:

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UPDATE at 8/22/14 1:52:19 pm by Charles Johnson
UPDATE at 8/22/14 3:58:55 pm by Charles Johnson

Big correction here:

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635 comments
1 lawhawk  Aug 22, 2014 10:42:33am

The ACLU also got the Ferguson incident report, which is even more laughable:

2 Kragar  Aug 22, 2014 10:44:55am

Thats it?

They kill someone in the street and that is all they have?

3 HappyWarrior  Aug 22, 2014 10:44:56am

Ferguson PD need to be investigated big time. Who knows what other types of shit like this are going on there?

4 HappyWarrior  Aug 22, 2014 10:45:20am

re: #2 Kragar

Thats it?

They kill someone in the street and that is all they have?

Said it downstairs but I really think they thought they could get away with it.

5 Gus  Aug 22, 2014 10:45:24am

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6 Irving  Aug 22, 2014 10:45:28am

“Near” empty? I think it’s some letterhead. How very… um… zen like.

7 Kragar  Aug 22, 2014 10:46:08am

Oh look, another over-privileged cop hater

8 Charles Johnson  Aug 22, 2014 10:46:17am

This leaves them free to just make up whatever story they want.

9 lawhawk  Aug 22, 2014 10:46:46am

re: #3 HappyWarrior

The DOJ is already looking into all this, but the MO Attorney General should be taking a closer look at both the FPD and the St. Louis County Police - their policies, procedures, leadership, and orders issued during the entire situation from before the shooting to their actions during the protests and riots.

There’s some seriously bad law enforcement going on here, and the residents are the ones who are going to be stuck with this long after the cameras are gone.

10 Ryan King  Aug 22, 2014 10:47:23am

It was Reviewed and Approved 10 days later. With nothing in it.

Wow.

11 HappyWarrior  Aug 22, 2014 10:47:58am

re: #9 lawhawk

The DOJ is already looking into all this, but the MO Attorney General should be taking a closer look at both the FPD and the St. Louis County Police - their policies, procedures, leadership, and orders issued during the entire situation from before the shooting to their actions during the protests and riots.

There’s some seriously bad law enforcement going on here, and the residents are the ones who are going to be stuck with this long after the cameras are gone.

What do we know about the Missouri AG? Not hopefully at all if he or she’s anything like Nixon or Kindler. Absolutely though.

12 Gus  Aug 22, 2014 10:48:47am
13 Charles Johnson  Aug 22, 2014 10:50:01am
14 Danny  Aug 22, 2014 10:50:23am

Redaction on steroids.

15 jaunte  Aug 22, 2014 10:50:26am

I don’t suppose citizens of Ferguson have the same leeway to leave spaces blank when they file official documentation with their government.

16 Charles Johnson  Aug 22, 2014 10:50:42am

This really is becoming eerily reminiscent of the Trayvon Martin case, in so many ways.

17 HappyWarrior  Aug 22, 2014 10:51:03am

re: #13 Charles Johnson

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It will get well over a million by the time all of this is over. I’m sure like Zimmerman, Hannity will be happy to give our “hero” here a shot to tell the “real story” when it’s all said and done too.

18 Talking Point Detective  Aug 22, 2014 10:51:29am

Pg. 2 == THIS PAGE LEFT BLANK ==
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Pg. 4 == THIS PAGE LEFT BLANK ==
Pg. 5 == THIS PAGE LEFT BLANK ==

So that explains why they waited this long to issue the report.

If they hadn’t been so careful, they might have gotten some of the details wrong.

19 Kid A  Aug 22, 2014 10:51:39am

re: #13 Charles Johnson

With some very vile, racist comments I might add.

20 HappyWarrior  Aug 22, 2014 10:51:56am

re: #16 Charles Johnson

This really is becoming eerily reminiscent of the Trayvon Martin case, in so many ways.

I think it’s worse which of course does not take away from the tragedy that was first Treyvon’s death and then the handling of it by the PD and DA’s office.

21 Jenner7  Aug 22, 2014 10:51:56am

This should be criminal! Just insanely incompetent. Wow.

It just makes my heart break more and more for Mike and his family. They deserved answers from the beginning and all they got was disrespect.

22 Charles Johnson  Aug 22, 2014 10:52:01am
24 jaunte  Aug 22, 2014 10:52:20am

Homicide Defense by MadLibs

25 Charles Johnson  Aug 22, 2014 10:52:40am

re: #19 Kid A

With some very vile, racist comments I might add.

They removed the racist comments but left the page up.

26 b_sharp  Aug 22, 2014 10:53:35am

Maybe it’s written in invisible ink.

27 HappyWarrior  Aug 22, 2014 10:53:59am

re: #21 Jenner7

This should be criminal! Just insanely incompetent. Wow.

It just makes my heart break more and more for Mike and his family. They deserved answers from the beginning and all they got was disrespect.

Not only disrespect but contempt and hatred. You got Dr. Ben Carson, MD going on TV, a man who never knew Mike and his family claiming that Mike needed a father figure in his life. Charles is right. This is just like Treyvon Martin where wingnuts go all out not only to rationalize murder but to character assassinate the deceased and his entire family.

28 HappyWarrior  Aug 22, 2014 10:54:22am

re: #25 Charles Johnson

They removed the racist comments but left the page up.

I trust that you or someone else did screenshots.

29 bubba zanetti  Aug 22, 2014 10:54:59am
30 lawhawk  Aug 22, 2014 10:55:04am

re: #19 Kid A

And yes, I goofed in not using Charles’ handle. @Green_Footballs [since deleted and retweeted with Charles’ proper handle]

31 EPR-radar  Aug 22, 2014 10:55:34am

re: #27 HappyWarrior

Not only disrespect but contempt and hatred. You got Dr. Ben Carson, MD going on TV, a man who never knew Mike and his family claiming that Mike needed a father figure in his life. Charles is right. This is just like Treyvon Martin where wingnuts go all out not only to rationalize murder but to character assassinate the deceased and his entire family.

Just remember, everyone who votes R over D is contributing to the political power of wingnuts.

32 Aqua Obama  Aug 22, 2014 10:55:40am

Incredible

33 Kragar  Aug 22, 2014 10:56:16am
34 HappyWarrior  Aug 22, 2014 10:56:19am

re: #31 EPR-radar

Just remember, everyone who votes R over D is contributing to the political power of wingnuts.

I’ve voted R as high as the House before but never again after the shit they continue to pull.

35 lawhawk  Aug 22, 2014 10:56:40am

The ODS is strong. So strong that apparently Obamacare is the reason that the Cubs suck at well, everything.

36 Decatur Deb  Aug 22, 2014 10:56:45am

re: #6 Irving

“Near” empty? I think it’s some letterhead. How very… um… zen like.

“If a Black falls in the neighborhood…”

37 Aqua Obama  Aug 22, 2014 10:58:44am

38 Lidane  Aug 22, 2014 10:58:48am

re: #35 lawhawk

Proving once again that POTUS is a Time Lord, since the Cubs have sucked since 1908.

39 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 22, 2014 10:59:49am

WTFITS
I thought I blocked this asshole why does he keep showing up in the Tweetdeck?

40 Talking Point Detective  Aug 22, 2014 10:59:52am

It’s almost as if they’re trying to get people incensed so they can point to angry reactions to get out from under the spotlight.

Next, they’ll release some irrelevant videotape of Micha…..

Oh.

Wait.

41 jaunte  Aug 22, 2014 10:59:54am
Because there’s almost no information in it.

This level of incompetence around a shooting death seems less like incompetence and more like a defense strategy that the police are colluding in.

42 makeitstop  Aug 22, 2014 11:00:30am

re: #37 Aqua Obama

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How some of O’Reilly’s guests don’t just get up and deck that son of a bitch is beyond me.

43 HappyWarrior  Aug 22, 2014 11:01:17am

re: #37 Aqua Obama

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I don’t even know the word.

44 HappyWarrior  Aug 22, 2014 11:02:01am

re: #42 makeitstop

How some of O’Reilly’s guests don’t just get up and deck that son of a bitch is beyond me.

I don’t either. The guy is such an incredible bigoted jackass.

45 Kragar  Aug 22, 2014 11:02:06am

You know, most professional Law Enforcement conducts an officer involved shooting like any other shooting. They gather evidence, interview witnesses, take photos, etc, so they can review it, make sure it was justified, make sure proper procedures had been followed, etc.

WTF is going on in Ferguson?

46 Charles Johnson  Aug 22, 2014 11:03:01am

re: #41 jaunte

Exactly - I don’t think this is incompetence at all. It’s deliberate. They knew this shooting was bad, so they filed these totally uninformative reports to avoid putting anything on the record.

The smell of corruption is getting overwhelming.

47 jaunte  Aug 22, 2014 11:03:07am

re: #45 Kragar

WTF is going in Ferguson?

“It’s a blank slate. What do you want to be going on in Ferguson, Captain?”

48 Bulworth  Aug 22, 2014 11:03:45am

Hold on….I’m still reading these detailed reports.

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49 lawhawk  Aug 22, 2014 11:04:42am

re: #45 Kragar

You know, most professional Law Enforcement conducts an officer involved shooting like any other shooting. They gather evidence, interview witnesses, take photos, etc, so they can review it, make sure it was justified, make sure proper procedures had been followed, etc.

WTF is going in Ferguson?

This is on both the county PD and Ferguson PD. Rotten doesn’t even begin to explain this. Corrupt isn’t even the right term. Incompetence isn’t sufficient.

If I were living in St. Louis county, let alone Ferguson, I’d be demanding resignations from all top law enforcement officers, including those heading up the tactical units in both FPD and county police. At a minimum.

50 Bulworth  Aug 22, 2014 11:05:30am

re:
#37

Well, my cocaine dealer doesn’t look anything like that.

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51 A Mom Anon  Aug 22, 2014 11:06:15am

re: #39 Pie-onist Overlord

I am SO sick of not just the bullshit about Jewish people in general, but I am OVER the words “special ed”, “retard”, “rides the short bus” etc etc, being used as an insult.

My kid rode one of those busses in elementary school. He’s not low IQ, he’s not remotely close to “retarded”, spent 8 yrs in Special Education and is one of the brightest, bravest and smartest people I’ve ever known. He had shit thrown at him while waiting for the bus to go to school, while people screamed at him he was a retard and a faggot. He received abuse at school, that had adults done that shit to each other, charges would have been filed. He’s been out of school for two years and is only now slowly recovering from that shit. So I kinda take it personally. Maybe I shouldn’t and should consider the hateful asshole source, but god I’m so sick of it. It’s right up there with “like a girl” being some sort of horrible thing.

No, I’m not stressed out at all thankyewverymuch. GAH!!

52 Dr. Matt  Aug 22, 2014 11:06:41am

re: #30 lawhawk

And yes, I goofed in not using Charles’ handle. @Green_Footballs

Stalker blog is going to HAMMER you for making such a HUGE mistake.

53 Kid A  Aug 22, 2014 11:07:04am

The Cubs are worth over a billion dollars and they short-staff because of health care benefits?

54 lawhawk  Aug 22, 2014 11:07:06am

RW circular firing squad:

55 makeitstop  Aug 22, 2014 11:07:23am

re: #44 HappyWarrior

I don’t either. The guy is such an incredible bigoted jackass.

I should have let my wife ‘accidentally’ spill a glass of wine on him, like she wanted to when we were in the same restaurant as him that time. :)

56 The Great Eye  Aug 22, 2014 11:07:31am

This is the 5th amendment in full effect here. Cop didn’t want to put anything down that could be used against him so he left it blank while he and his lawyer (and the media) craft a defense that’ll justify things once all the evidence is known and they can figure out something that can fit the facts of the case.

57 Gus  Aug 22, 2014 11:08:40am
58 Kragar  Aug 22, 2014 11:09:39am

Wilson will likely walk because the Ferguson PD didn’t bother to log evidence and disposed of what they could by now

59 A Mom Anon  Aug 22, 2014 11:09:40am

re: #55 makeitstop

I would have looked up passages from his horrible “erotic thriller” and stood up in the restaurant and read them out loud while looking right at him. Or better yet, found the audio of HIM reading it out loud and played it on my phone at full volume. He’s just about THE creepiest creep ever. (((shudder)))

60 lawhawk  Aug 22, 2014 11:10:06am

re: #56 The Great Eye

This is the 5th amendment in full effect here. Cop didn’t want to put anything down that could be used against him so he left it blank while he and his lawyer (and the media) craft a defense that’ll justify things once all the evidence is known and they can figure out something that can fit the facts of the case.

That might potentially explain the Ferguson report, which is the Department for which Officer Wilson reports to, but the county police report doesn’t have any information worth a damn.

And they have a legal obligation to take down all the facts and information as it is known to them at the time of the incident. Things like who was shot and where, when, number of bullets they believe were fired, etc.

There’s none of that here - and you could chalk it up to “professional courtesy” between departments, but with other shootings not being investigated as well, and you’ve got systemic issues with how these departments are operating.

61 wrenchwench  Aug 22, 2014 11:10:14am

re: #30 lawhawk

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And yes, I goofed in not using Charles’ handle. @Green_Footballs

I dunno. Could be the same guy.

About: Charles Johnson

I am a fast paced, hard working guy with a love for technology.

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62 Lidane  Aug 22, 2014 11:11:00am

re: #46 Charles Johnson

The smell of corruption is getting overwhelming.

Are you sure it’s just corruption? There could also be some leftover fumes from Dim Hoft’s idiocy.

63 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 22, 2014 11:11:04am

re: #30 lawhawk

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And yes, I goofed in not using Charles’ handle. @Green_Footballs

Delete those Tweets and resend

64 CuriousLurker  Aug 22, 2014 11:11:09am

Wait—there was 41 minutes between the time of the shooting and the time STL County was called & dispatched? What were Ferguson cops doing all that time? Then it took STL County another 47 minutes to arrive on the scene?

12:02 - shooting in Ferguson
12:43 - STL County received & dispatched call
13:30 - STL County arrives on scene

WTF?

65 Kragar  Aug 22, 2014 11:11:40am

re: #62 Lidane

Are you sure it’s just corruption? There could also be some leftover fumes from Dim Hoft’s idiocy.

The idiocy was them thinking no one would notice.

66 allegro  Aug 22, 2014 11:12:16am

re: #64 CuriousLurker

Wait—there was 41 minutes between the time of the shooting and the time STL County was called & dispatched? What were Ferguson cops doing all that time? Then it took STL County another 47 minutes to arrive on the scene?

12:02 - shooting in Ferguson
12:43 - STL County received & dispatched call
13:30 - STL County arrives on scene

WTF?

Fist bumping a successful hunt?

67 OhNoZombies!  Aug 22, 2014 11:12:24am

I said this yesterday, but I edited it a little:

Judging by the way he was wandering around the crime scene, Wilson, apparently well known bully that he is, crossed the line and he knew it.
His buddies on the force knew it, but they told him it would be okay, and they had his back. This shooting was supposed to be quietly swept under the rug, and disappear. Wilson’s life and career is worth more than the life of some dead black kid.
They didn’t expect witnesses, or Twitter…

I’m, of course making assumptions, but it’s not like this has never happened before.

68 Gus  Aug 22, 2014 11:13:00am

They didn’t have any problem putting together an incident report about Mike Brown and the cigar incident.

69 wrenchwench  Aug 22, 2014 11:14:43am

re: #68 Gus

They didn’t have any problem putting together an incident report about Mike Brown and the cigar incident.

Is there one for the guy with a knife who was courteously obliged when he asked the cops to shoot him?

70 Bulworth  Aug 22, 2014 11:14:45am

re:
#57

Why do Democrats keep making an issue of Obama golfing to make GOP look bad? Bias!!!111

71 jaunte  Aug 22, 2014 11:15:12am

re: #64 CuriousLurker

Wait—there was 41 minutes between the time of the shooting and the time STL County was called & dispatched? What were Ferguson cops doing all that time?

Lots of discussion about what not to say.

72 Lidane  Aug 22, 2014 11:15:23am

re: #65 Kragar

The idiocy was them thinking no one would notice.

I get the sense that so far, no one has noticed. This reeks of SOP and makes me wonder how many cases they’ve run just like this one that haven’t gotten this level of attention.

Maybe a cop didn’t kill someone before this, but what if they handled a robbery, or a domestic dispute or a drug bust or whatever in the same exact way? Wouldn’t that call all their cases and convictions into question?

73 Gus  Aug 22, 2014 11:17:29am

re: #69 wrenchwench

Is there one for the guy with a knife who was courteously obliged when he asked the cops to shoot him?

Dunno.

74 Skip Intro  Aug 22, 2014 11:17:48am

re: #72 Lidane

As far as I can tell, it still hasn’t got any attention from the alphabet media. They’re just looking for balance, I guess.

75 lawhawk  Aug 22, 2014 11:18:03am

re: #63 Pie-onist Overlord

Done.

76 Dr. Matt  Aug 22, 2014 11:19:13am

re: #64 CuriousLurker

Wait—there was 41 minutes between the time of the shooting and the time STL County was called & dispatched? What were Ferguson cops doing all that time? Then it took STL County another 47 minutes to arrive on the scene?

12:02 - shooting in Ferguson
12:43 - STL County received & dispatched call
13:30 - STL County arrives on scene

WTF?

Perhaps they were using the Apple maps app?

77 CuriousLurker  Aug 22, 2014 11:19:15am

re: #71 jaunte

Lots of discussion about what not to say.

That’s pretty much what I was thinking.

This whole thing is ridiculous. It can’t—mustn’t—be tolerated.

78 A Mom Anon  Aug 22, 2014 11:20:29am

re: #72 Lidane

The behavior of the cops in both the immediate aftermath and the days following the shooting really speaks to a systemic problem in both the FPD and the St Louis County PD. Plus the newly public info that the city of Ferguson makes most of its money from fining residents for a whole host of bullshit. There’s rot from head to tail here. And it looks like pretty much everyone in power is involved in all sorts of corruption. I have no doubt at all that one wouldn’t have to dig too deep to find all kinds of disgusting shit here, beyond just what we’ve seen in the last couple weeks.

79 Charles Johnson  Aug 22, 2014 11:20:29am

As usual, someone pops up on Twitter with 24 followers to tell me there’s nothing unusual about these blank incident reports.

Right.

Here’s the incident report Ferguson PD filed on the convenience store robbery:

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80 allegro  Aug 22, 2014 11:20:48am

re: #72 Lidane

I get the sense that so far, no one has noticed. This reeks of SOP and makes me wonder how many cases they’ve run just like this one that haven’t gotten this level of attention.

Maybe a cop didn’t kill someone before this, but what if they handled a robbery, or a domestic dispute or a drug bust or whatever in the same exact way? Wouldn’t that call all their cases and convictions into question?

Considering the city’s revenue stream, it seems clear that the people of Ferguson have been harassed and fined beyond redemption. That a kid is gunned down for jaywalking by an enraged, asshole cop that is covered up by a corrupt department somehow doesn’t seem like much of a stretch.

81 jaunte  Aug 22, 2014 11:22:12am
82 Aqua Obama  Aug 22, 2014 11:22:28am

If anyone’s interested, there’s a link to the Ferguson PD Aug 9th Event Report on the Washington Post website.

Ferguson Police Department report on Aug. 9 robbery

83 Kragar  Aug 22, 2014 11:23:45am

Ferguson PD was said to have collected cellphones and other items at the shooting scene. Why isn’t a record of them included in the report?

84 wrenchwench  Aug 22, 2014 11:23:49am

re: #79 Charles Johnson

As usual, someone pops up on Twitter with 24 followers to tell me there’s nothing unusual about these blank incident reports.

Right.

Here’s the incident report Ferguson PD filed on the convenience store robbery:

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And that’s for something the ‘victim’ had no intention of reporting. What good is that report? Can the citizen who phoned it in press charges when he or she was only a witness? I don’t think so.

85 jaunte  Aug 22, 2014 11:24:11am

re: #83 Kragar

“What cellphones”

86 allegro  Aug 22, 2014 11:24:37am

Wait… $48.99 for a box of Swishers?

87 jaunte  Aug 22, 2014 11:24:58am

re: #86 allegro

Multiple boxes.

88 Targetpractice  Aug 22, 2014 11:25:15am

re: #81 jaunte

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Who knew that the key to getting rich was to kill black teens and then bury the evidence?

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89 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 22, 2014 11:25:26am

re: #87 jaunte

Multiple boxes.

Report says “1 box”

90 alpuz  Aug 22, 2014 11:26:03am

re: #42 makeitstop

My in-laws love that SOB. They watch Fox as much as they can and own all of his books.

Father-in-law tried to give my son(14 at the time) one of his books when they came to visit. The fuse was lit. They left early and headed back to Texas.

91 lawhawk  Aug 22, 2014 11:26:06am

re: #79 Charles Johnson

Seems like they had plenty of time to figure out how to make shoplifting and possible assault into a strong arm robbery, but couldn’t even find a keyboard to enter in any information about the homicide of Michael Brown.

Something rotten in the municipality of Ferguson, county of St. Louis.

92 jaunte  Aug 22, 2014 11:26:07am

re: #89 Backwoods_Sleuth

I believe it was an entire ‘display carton’ which would have multiple smaller boxes inside.

93 Bulworth  Aug 22, 2014 11:26:12am

I wonder what “Josie” thinks of these incident reports?

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94 OhNoZombies!  Aug 22, 2014 11:26:13am

re: #85 jaunte

“What cellphones”

They’re with that…
Oh wait there was no bullet taken from the hospital.
I mean what hospital?

95 Franklin  Aug 22, 2014 11:27:08am

re: #92 jaunte

I believe it was an entire ‘display carton’ which would have multiple smaller boxes inside.

Right.

This site here lists the whole box as $35.99

thompsoncigar.com

If they were selling individually then the price could be higher.

96 Dr Lizardo  Aug 22, 2014 11:27:12am

re: #46 Charles Johnson

Exactly - I don’t think this is incompetence at all. It’s deliberate. They knew this shooting was bad, so they filed these totally uninformative reports to avoid putting anything on the record.

The smell of corruption is getting overwhelming.

Next week, on Tuesday, I’ll be teaching some students English as a Second Language at the Ostrava City Police Academy. I’m going to ask them about these so-called “incident reports” and see what they think about it. That should make for a good lesson.

97 wrenchwench  Aug 22, 2014 11:27:40am

re: #80 allegro

Considering the city’s revenue stream, it seems clear that the people of Ferguson have been harassed and fined beyond redemption. That a kid is gunned down for jaywalking by an enraged, asshole cop that is covered up by a corrupt department somehow doesn’t seem like much of a stretch.

Addressing that is one of the demands of the Justice for Michael Brown Coalition.

Have U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder and Missouri Attorney General Chris Koster investigate policies of St. Louis County, City of St. Louis an municipalities in Missouri for racial profiling and create policies that end those practices. The group also demanded Auditor Tom Schweich to do an audit of those municipalities who have a practice of racial profiling and find out how much minorities pay in terms of tickets and other violations.

98 EPR-radar  Aug 22, 2014 11:27:57am

These totally unacceptable “police reports” simplify things greatly.

Gov. Nixon needs to make an emergency proclamation that Ferguson PD is relieved of all duties, effectively immediately. May as well get some use out of the state of emergency that has already been declared.

I don’t really care if Nixon manages to do the right thing on his own, or under orders from on high, but it needs to be done.

99 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 22, 2014 11:28:10am

re: #92 jaunte

I believe it was an entire ‘display carton’ which would have multiple smaller boxes inside.

Wonder how he managed something that large when the only thing you see in MB’s hand in the video is a water bottle.

100 Gus  Aug 22, 2014 11:28:31am
101 lawhawk  Aug 22, 2014 11:29:08am
102 Kragar  Aug 22, 2014 11:29:16am
103 wrenchwench  Aug 22, 2014 11:30:12am

re: #100 Gus

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Five pages for a handful of tobacco, the owner of which did not care.

Two empty pages for a life, the owner of which begged to keep it.

104 Ace-o-aces  Aug 22, 2014 11:30:36am

Really? The FDP can’t even be bothered to make shit up anymore? Couldn’t even write a single sentence? How about, “Shot shoplifter after he attempted MMA Superpunch”

105 S'latch  Aug 22, 2014 11:30:41am

re: #79 Charles Johnson

Nice report!

“… Just the facts, ma’am.”

Just the facts.

(I just noticed a resemblance to Glenn Greenwald, too.)

106 Targetpractice  Aug 22, 2014 11:30:46am

I know I’ve compared this incident to Trayvon Martin’s death countless times, but this is really where that particular train just derailed. Call the Sanford PD whatever you like, but they at least took the time to recover evidence, interview witnesses, and get Zimmerman on tape telling his version of events multiple times. The case ultimately seemed to break down somewhere due to a perceived inability to secure a conviction due to FL SYG laws, hence incompetence snuck in as cops didn’t take anything past that point seriously.

Here? Here this is just transparently corrupt, the kinda shit you expect to read about in books about cops during the days of Prohibition or in any major city during the days when the mafia were effectively running the government. Evidence disappearing, witnesses being ignored, reports not being filed, and cops being allowed to go into hiding? There’s no way that any of this can be legal, yet I’ve got a sinking feeling now that even the DOJ investigation will end up going nowhere.

107 wrenchwench  Aug 22, 2014 11:32:12am

re: #106 Targetpractice

I know I’ve compared this incident to Trayvon Martin’s death countless times, but this is really where that particular train just derailed. Call the Sanford PD whatever you like, but they at least took the time to recover evidence, interview witnesses, and get Zimmerman on tape telling his version of events multiple times. The case ultimately seemed to break down somewhere due to a perceived inability to secure a conviction due to FL SYG laws, hence incompetence snuck in as cops didn’t take anything past that point seriously.

Here? Here this is just transparently corrupt, the kinda shit you expect to read about in books about cops during the days of Prohibition or in any major city during the days when the mafia were effectively running the government. Evidence disappearing, witnesses being ignored, reports not being filed, and cops being allowed to go into hiding? There’s no way that any of this can be legal, yet I’ve got a sinking feeling now that even the DOJ investigation will end up going nowhere.

The Sanford PD was not shielding one of its own.

108 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 22, 2014 11:32:23am

re: #105 S’latch

Nice report!

“… Just the facts, ma’am.”

Just the facts.

(I just noticed a resemblance to Glenn Greenwald, too.)

I just love how he did that “Copper Clapper” routine with Johnny Carson WITHOUT CRACKING while Johnny was practically pissing himself.

(firewalled here, maybe someone else will post the video)

109 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 22, 2014 11:33:11am

re: #106 Targetpractice

I know I’ve compared this incident to Trayvon Martin’s death countless times, but this is really where that particular train just derailed. Call the Sanford PD whatever you like, but they at least took the time to recover evidence, interview witnesses, and get Zimmerman on tape telling his version of events multiple times. The case ultimately seemed to break down somewhere due to a perceived inability to secure a conviction due to FL SYG laws, hence incompetence snuck in as cops didn’t take anything past that point seriously.

Here? Here this is just transparently corrupt, the kinda shit you expect to read about in books about cops during the days of Prohibition or in any major city during the days when the mafia were effectively running the government. Evidence disappearing, witnesses being ignored, reports not being filed, and cops being allowed to go into hiding? There’s no way that any of this can be legal, yet I’ve got a sinking feeling now that even the DOJ investigation will end up going nowhere.

To me, it’s like reading John Grisham (ie “The Innocent Man” or “The Confession”).

110 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 22, 2014 11:34:30am

re: #101 lawhawk

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hmmm…this was supposed to be Gus’ inkblot tweet…

111 Franklin  Aug 22, 2014 11:34:45am

re: #103 wrenchwench

Five pages for a handful of tobacco, the owner of which did not care.

Two empty pages for a life, the owner of which begged to keep it.

Sounded like a lovely tweet, I had to:

112 Goldenpipewrench  Aug 22, 2014 11:35:10am

1st post : be gentle

Shaun King ‏@ShaunKing 2h

On this page, which threatens physical harm & uses the worst hate speech imaginable, they tell you their plan. pic.twitter.com

Shawn has saved the screenshots..this is seriously getting very ugly…twitter has brought out a monster.

113 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 22, 2014 11:35:34am

UCCCH

114 KiTA  Aug 22, 2014 11:35:37am

re: #104 Ace-o-aces

I think they panicked.

It’s one thing for their officers to treat black people like subhumans, which they have a well documented history of doing, it’s another to gun them down in the street because they refused to let you drag them into a car through a window like an animal — in front of dozens of witnesses, no less.

They fucked up, they went into the standard coverup they do for all these kinds of things — write down nothing, circle the wagons, etc — and then it blew up in their faces.

I half expect them to find an incident report of some kind, but hidden away someplace else. I read someplace that they’re standard MO was not to put any evidence in the proper place, but instead file it someplace else so it would be missed — for example, any accusations of overuse of force weren’t put in the officer’s file, instead they were added to the file for that particular incident — so any history of violent behavior that Wilson might have had, for example, would be spread throughout a hundred case files instead of in his official record.

115 Charles Johnson  Aug 22, 2014 11:35:55am
116 Skip Intro  Aug 22, 2014 11:35:58am

re: #106 Targetpractice

I’d expect nothing less from the state that birthed Rush Limbaugh and put his bust on display with its own 24-hour video security.

But no money for video in cop cars.

politico.com

117 wrenchwench  Aug 22, 2014 11:36:21am

re: #112 Goldenpipewrench

Welcome, wrenchling.

118 Ace-o-aces  Aug 22, 2014 11:37:32am

re: #113 Pie-onist Overlord

WTF is he talking about?

119 ObserverArt  Aug 22, 2014 11:37:57am

re: #16 Charles Johnson

This really is becoming eerily reminiscent of the Trayvon Martin case, in so many ways.

No this is worse. This is a police department charged with the trust of the citizens of the city, county and state.

When you can’t trust law enforcement who can you trust?

And that is not to say the Florida Stand Your Ground Law and the Prosecutor in the Zimmerman/Martin mess doesn’t suck bad, just that this sucks even more.

If people want to send a message…start emailing the Missouri and St. Louis Visitor and Convention Bureau, the Governors Office and May a few well known destination spots like Branson theaters, St. Louis NFL and MLB teams and let ‘em all know you won’t be visiting the state due to all these policing issues.

All these people need to know they have some major problems and American people of good conscience think it sucks and needs to be fixed.

120 lawhawk  Aug 22, 2014 11:38:08am

re: #118 Ace-o-aces

Apparently Harry Reid said something stupid and racist?

121 Franklin  Aug 22, 2014 11:38:18am

re: #112 Goldenpipewrench

1st post : be gentle

Shaun King ‏@ShaunKing 2h

On this page, which threatens physical harm & uses the worst hate speech imaginable, they tell you their plan. pic.twitter.com

Shawn has saved the screenshots..this is seriously getting very ugly…twitter has brought out a monster.

You can paste the URL of the tweet straight into the comment box to embed the tweet directly. And, welcome!

122 nines09  Aug 22, 2014 11:38:45am

So if there was not an uproar and people taking to the street, Mike Brown would have just been another black thug who robbed a store and assaulted a cop who had to empty his clip into a drug addled charging bull who was jaywalking.
Those folks knew if they did not take to the streets, there would be no investigation. No justice. And there may not be.
My gut instinct on this is they actually thought they were going to be able to sell the thug story, except they never got the lies to line up right.
Getting away with it.

123 lawhawk  Aug 22, 2014 11:38:51am
124 blueraven  Aug 22, 2014 11:40:23am

re: #46 Charles Johnson

Exactly - I don’t think this is incompetence at all. It’s deliberate. They knew this shooting was bad, so they filed these totally uninformative reports to avoid putting anything on the record.

The smell of corruption is getting overwhelming.

Lawrence O’Donnell predicted early on that there would be no incident report and speculated that it would be due to legal advice.

So, there are no initial statements to compare any later story to. I do believe he has been questioned by now, so there should be a deposition somewhere.

125 jaunte  Aug 22, 2014 11:40:24am

re: #114 KiTA

they refused to let you drag them into a car through a window

About that; if Wilson was actually trying to drag a 290lb, 6-ft-4 inch 18 year old through his vehicle window and into his lap it’s a pretty good indication he had already flown into a rage and lost control of himself.
This scenario doesn’t resemble any sort of approved or even practical procedure to detain a person, it’s just nuts.

126 wrenchwench  Aug 22, 2014 11:40:24am

re: #111 Franklin

Sounded like a lovely tweet, I had to:

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Retweeted!

127 Charles Johnson  Aug 22, 2014 11:40:42am

I noticed some people talking about embedding tweets in a comment, and saying they were getting the embed code from Twitter and pasting it in here. That will work, but it’s simpler and quicker to right-click on the tweet’s timestamp and choose ‘Copy Link’, then paste in the tweet’s URL.

128 Franklin  Aug 22, 2014 11:40:47am

re: #112 Goldenpipewrench

Here is the tweet that GoldenPipeWrench referenced. Ugly, ugly stuff:

129 KiTA  Aug 22, 2014 11:41:31am

re: #128 Franklin

It’s 4chan’s /b/ or /pol/. They’re trolls. They’re making fun of the SJWs freaking out by intentionally trolling them. Don’t feed them.

130 ObserverArt  Aug 22, 2014 11:41:44am

re: #22 Charles Johnson

[The Westboro Baptist Church has announced it will picket Mike Brown’s funeral Monday. With desecration like this, what could go wrong?]

This is not good.

I can see some angry Ferguson residents tearing up posters and chasing off Westboro members if they don’t catch them and beat on them first.

But then again…many Westboro types are white, so the local police will probably be out there making sure they are protected and can protest peacefully.

/// need I?

131 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 22, 2014 11:41:46am

re: #115 Charles Johnson

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And, as I mentioned yesterday, “File Photo” quite literally means Hoft owns rights to use that image.
He does not own that image and I suspect he didn’t even ask for permission to use it.

132 simoom  Aug 22, 2014 11:41:51am

Lithuania’s and Latvia’s Ministers of Foreign Affairs:

133 Franklin  Aug 22, 2014 11:41:54am

re: #127 Charles Johnson

I noticed some people talking about embedding tweets in a comment, and saying they were getting the embed code from Twitter and pasting it in here. That will work, but it’s simpler and quicker to right-click on the tweet’s timestamp and choose ‘Copy Link’, then paste in the tweet’s URL.

Yes, that’s what I meant to say. Used he word embed which may cause confusion.

134 Targetpractice  Aug 22, 2014 11:42:31am

re: #124 blueraven

Lawrence O’Donnell predicted early on that there would be no incident report and speculated that it would be due to legal advice.

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So, there are no initial statements to compare any later story to. I do believe he has been questioned by now, so there should be a deposition somewhere.

Yeah, but that deposition was days after the fact, time for him, his lawyer(s), and the police brass to get their stories straight.

“Kid beat you, you fired ‘warning shots,’ he turned and charged you, and you shot in self-defense.”

135 allegro  Aug 22, 2014 11:42:41am

re: #123 lawhawk

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Not to mention that “file image” doesn’t really mean much, does it, without noting whose file it is. Like the owner of the file being badly erased and all.

136 Franklin  Aug 22, 2014 11:42:45am

re: #129 KiTA

I agree, don’t feed them is the proper course.

137 lawhawk  Aug 22, 2014 11:43:17am

re: #124 blueraven

Wilson would probably have a lawyer by now, and his counsel would probably tell him not to say anything, to protect his rights against self incrimination. That would go for both the county and FPD reports.

The grand jury could call him to testify, but that again runs into his right against self incrimination.

But that doesn’t exclude the police from forming a report without him. There are enough details that could have been put together without Wilson’s statements. And where are the interviews with the other cops who were next to arrive on scene - nothing about securing perimeter, evidence, gathering cellphones, nothing.

138 Gus  Aug 22, 2014 11:43:21am
139 jaunte  Aug 22, 2014 11:44:50am

©Nick Veasey

Golf file image

140 KiTA  Aug 22, 2014 11:46:05am

re: #125 jaunte

Oh, almost definitely. That’s the part that makes the least sense to me.

Almost makes me wonder if the reason Wilson is off in hiding is to detox.

141 b.d.  Aug 22, 2014 11:46:13am

re: #138 Gus

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Never fore get

142 KiTA  Aug 22, 2014 11:46:36am

dailykos.com

CNN calling bullshit on the broken eye socket meme. Dim Hoft to cry conspiracy in 3… 2… 1…

Edit: Bonus: The Kos gives major H/Ts to LGF for covering this. Wow.

143 EPR-radar  Aug 22, 2014 11:46:37am

re: #137 lawhawk

Wilson would probably have a lawyer by now, and his counsel would probably tell him not to say anything, to protect his rights against self incrimination. That would go for both the county and FPD reports.

The grand jury could call him to testify, but that again runs into his right against self incrimination.

But that doesn’t exclude the police from forming a report without him. There are enough details that could have been put together without Wilson’s statements. And where are the interviews with the other cops who were next to arrive on scene - nothing about securing perimeter, evidence, gathering cellphones, nothing.

I’m too young to have seen this first hand, but this Ferguson PD crap seems very similar to what must have happened many times in the Jim Crow era, where the killing of any black person is officially a non-event, especially if the perpetrator is a cop.

Holder and Obama need to come down on this like a ton of bricks. We don’t have Romney in the White House, and that needs to make a difference in this case.

144 jaunte  Aug 22, 2014 11:46:57am

Nick Veasey’s x-ray images
nickveasey.com

145 Ace-o-aces  Aug 22, 2014 11:48:26am

re: #120 lawhawk

Apparently Harry Reid said something stupid and racist?

Oh yeah, that’s not false equivalence

146 S'latch  Aug 22, 2014 11:49:10am

re: #106 Targetpractice

… a sinking feeling now that even the DOJ investigation will end up going nowhere.

I do, too, but I hope it’s not so.

147 CuriousLurker  Aug 22, 2014 11:49:43am

re: #137 lawhawk

Wilson would probably have a lawyer by now, and his counsel would probably tell him not to say anything, to protect his rights against self incrimination. That would go for both the county and FPD reports.

The grand jury could call him to testify, but that again runs into his right against self incrimination.

But that doesn’t exclude the police from forming a report without him. There are enough details that could have been put together without Wilson’s statements. And where are the interviews with the other cops who were next to arrive on scene - nothing about securing perimeter, evidence, gathering cellphones, nothing.

So are you saying a cop could kill someone while on the job and refuse to discuss it or write a report about it? That makes my head feel all ‘splodey…

148 Kragar  Aug 22, 2014 11:49:54am
149 blueraven  Aug 22, 2014 11:51:40am

re: #147 CuriousLurker

So are you saying a cop could kill someone while on the job and refuse to discuss it or write a report about it? That makes my head feel all ‘splodey…

If he invokes the 5th amendment, I guess?
Seems ridiculous, if he has nothing to hide, for a police officer to go that route.

150 lawhawk  Aug 22, 2014 11:51:47am
151 Charles Johnson  Aug 22, 2014 11:54:01am

re: #142 KiTA

dailykos.com

CNN calling bullshit on the broken eye socket meme. Dim Hoft to cry conspiracy in 3… 2… 1…

Edit: Bonus: The Kos gives major H/Ts to LGF for covering this. Wow.

I was a bit shocked to find nobody in the comments ranting and raving about me.

152 allegro  Aug 22, 2014 11:54:32am

Is it too early for an OT diversion? Just saw this from a facebook friend and it’s freaking me out, in a fun way.

Youtube Video

153 lawhawk  Aug 22, 2014 11:54:45am

re: #149 blueraven

If he invokes the 5th amendment, I guess?
Seems ridiculous, if he has nothing to hide, for a police officer to go that route.

5th Amendment would be the proper course of action. Because of the possibility of both criminal and civil rights suits, and the different standards of proof, who is doing the investigations, and the follow-up civil suit that is all but assured to occur. You don’t want to admit to anything that might even indicate the shooting wasn’t a legitimate use of force. Better say nothing than let something that might incriminate him.

That’s his constitutional right, and it’s the right call for him and his attorney.

Too bad he didn’t give Brown that opportunity to exercise his rights to defend himself in court.

154 Bulworth  Aug 22, 2014 11:55:45am

re:
#142

Yeah but I haz sources in prosecutor’s office and PD’s office!!!!111

155 Skip Intro  Aug 22, 2014 11:55:48am

Little trail of Ferguson police officer behind the gun

stltoday.com

See how far into the comments you can get before wanting to vomit.

156 Dr. Matt  Aug 22, 2014 11:56:09am

Good dog, yahoo’s front page has a piece about Obama’s vacationing. Yet, they feature an interview a historian and he tells the hacks the Prez Obama’s vacation time ranks in the middle of all presidents.

157 simoom  Aug 22, 2014 11:56:30am

re: #118 Ace-o-aces

WTF is he talking about?

Reid’s remarks before The Asian Chamber of Commerce on Thursday:

politico.com

“The Asian population is so productive. I don’t think you’re smarter than anybody else, but you’ve convinced a lot of us you are,” Reid said to applause, remarks first reported by the Las Vegas Review-Journal.

After a man was introduced to the podium, Reid said: “One problem I’ve had today is keeping my Wongs straight.”

On Friday, Reid offered a mea culpa: “My comments were in extremely poor taste and I apologize. Sometimes I say the wrong thing.”

158 Kragar  Aug 22, 2014 11:56:35am

re: #151 Charles Johnson

I was a bit shocked to find nobody in the comments ranting and raving about me.

I saw Kos tweet one of your articles the other day.

Luckily my clutching pearls and fainting couch were close at hand

159 allegro  Aug 22, 2014 11:57:08am

re: #153 lawhawk

5th Amendment would be the proper course of action. Because of the possibility of both criminal and civil rights suits, and the different standards of proof, who is doing the investigations, and the follow-up civil suit that is all but assured to occur. You don’t want to admit to anything that might even indicate the shooting wasn’t a legitimate use of force. Better say nothing than let something that might incriminate him.

That’s his constitutional right, and it’s the right call for him and his attorney.

Too bad he didn’t give Brown that opportunity to exercise his rights to defend himself in court.

That still can’t excuse the department from filing a report re: a shooting by cop death in their jurisdiction. Can the whole department claim the fifth?

160 Bulworth  Aug 22, 2014 11:58:02am

re:
#156

Glad we’re getting to the bottom of this great scandal. /

161 Dr Lizardo  Aug 22, 2014 11:58:03am

re: #132 simoom

Lithuania’s and Latvia’s Ministers of Foreign Affairs:

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Levity aside, that’s a damned serious incident, and I presume the Lithuanian MFA is going to summon the Russian Ambassador and read them the riot act as a result.

162 Rightwingconspirator  Aug 22, 2014 11:58:06am

re: #147 CuriousLurker

So are you saying a cop could kill someone while on the job and refuse to discuss it or write a report about it? That makes my head feel all ‘splodey…

Oh man I remember when an FBI sniper took the 5th. And we can’t take the 5th away from anyone under the law. But it’s always very chilling when a law officer takes the 5th about anything having to do with his job. Red flag cubed.

163 b.d.  Aug 22, 2014 11:58:07am

re: #151 Charles Johnson

I was a bit shocked to find nobody in the comments ranting and raving about me.

brb.

//

164 Skip Intro  Aug 22, 2014 11:58:12am

re: #157 simoom

After a certain age, politicians should Just Go Away.

Yeah, I’m talking about you, Harry.

165 Franklin  Aug 22, 2014 11:58:15am

re: #151 Charles Johnson

I was a bit shocked to find nobody in the comments ranting and raving about me.

LOL, first thing I did was search the page for ‘charles’ then ‘football’.

166 blueraven  Aug 22, 2014 11:58:20am

re: #153 lawhawk

5th Amendment would be the proper course of action. Because of the possibility of both criminal and civil rights suits, and the different standards of proof, who is doing the investigations, and the follow-up civil suit that is all but assured to occur. You don’t want to admit to anything that might even indicate the shooting wasn’t a legitimate use of force. Better say nothing than let something that might incriminate him.

That’s his constitutional right, and it’s the right call for him and his attorney.

Too bad he didn’t give Brown that opportunity to exercise his rights to defend himself in court.

I agree that legally speaking, for him, it is the right thing to do, but isn’t it odd for a police officer to do this?

167 Sionainn  Aug 22, 2014 11:59:44am

re: #156 Dr. Matt

Good dog, yahoo’s front page has a piece about Obama’s vacationing. Yet, they feature an interview a historian and he tells the hacks the Prez Obama’s vacation time ranks in the middle of all presidents.

For some reason, Yahoo has become my default home page and I can’t get rid of it. The “news” stories are completely hyperbolic.

168 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 22, 2014 11:59:48am

Is there a way to block certain photos & graphics on Tweetdeck? Some idiots keep spamming Syrian death porn & they’re all throwaway accounts so blocking is useless.

169 calochortus  Aug 22, 2014 11:59:54am

re: #150 lawhawk

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Well, that’s truly shameful. I must just be a babe in the woods, because I had no idea that suburbs were funding themselves that way. Maybe some little backwoods town somewhere, but this?

170 Sionainn  Aug 22, 2014 12:00:44pm

re: #157 simoom

Reid’s remarks before The Asian Chamber of Commerce on Thursday:

politico.com

LOL. Harry Reid often makes me cringe because he does sometimes say the most stupid things. I’m still glad I voted for him.

171 Franklin  Aug 22, 2014 12:01:02pm

re: #156 Dr. Matt

Good dog, yahoo’s front page has a piece about Obama’s vacationing. Yet, they feature an interview a historian and he tells the hacks the Prez Obama’s vacation time ranks in the middle of all presidents.

It’s not only that it ranks in the middle of all presidents, but with the technology available in the Obama presidency he has more access to the goings on in the world than any previous president (on vacation).

172 MaeScott  Aug 22, 2014 12:01:33pm

re: #81 jaunte

I hope the Brown Family sues for every penny-

173 Mattand  Aug 22, 2014 12:01:36pm

re: #156 Dr. Matt

Good dog, yahoo’s front page has a piece about Obama’s vacationing. Yet, they feature an interview a historian and he tells the hacks the Prez Obama’s vacation time ranks in the middle of all presidents.

I always wonder if sites like Yahoo, CNN, Politico, et. al, gauge how hate mail they get from the GOTP readers, and go into “THANKS, OBAMA!” mode once a certain level is reached.

174 ObserverArt  Aug 22, 2014 12:02:02pm

re: #51 A Mom Anon

I am SO sick of not just the bullshit about Jewish people in general, but I am OVER the words “special ed”, “retard”, “rides the short bus” etc etc, being used as an insult.

My kid rode one of those busses in elementary school. He’s not low IQ, he’s not remotely close to “retarded”, spent 8 yrs in Special Education and is one of the brightest, bravest and smartest people I’ve ever known. He had shit thrown at him while waiting for the bus to go to school, while people screamed at him he was a retard and a faggot. He received abuse at school, that had adults done that shit to each other, charges would have been filed. He’s been out of school for two years and is only now slowly recovering from that shit. So I kinda take it personally. Maybe I shouldn’t and should consider the hateful asshole source, but god I’m so sick of it. It’s right up there with “like a girl” being some sort of horrible thing.

No, I’m not stressed out at all thankyewverymuch. GAH!!

Mom,

I’m worried about you. Please do whatever you can to cut some of the stress. I know that is easily said, especially from an unknown person on an internet site.

I always find that what causes stress are other people and they have no clue they are causing it or have a feel that you are stressed. The only person suffering is you. Others have no feeling.

So, you are the one in control of it all, and you will be the one that needs to find the ways to reduce it.

Whatever it takes. A hobby. Dumping on someone else that can listen to you vent ( Lizards here at LGF are pretty good and it is good you let us know as you are), listen to your favorite music, a run with your dog, a hobby that can drain some bad energy or shift your focus.

Hell, maybe even start making voodoo dolls of all your relatives and start sticking them with pins every time they piss you off.

Whatever it takes.

But I hate to see the feeling person (you) take the abuse when others (them) seem to have a lack of feelings. The one that cares always gets hurt by the uncaring. It sucks. I’ve been there. I think many here have too.

I hope you find some peace and tranquility.

175 CuriousLurker  Aug 22, 2014 12:02:27pm

re: #162 Rightwingconspirator

Oh man I remember when an FBI sniper took the 5th. And we can’t take the 5th away from anyone under the law. But it’s always very chilling when a law officer takes the 5th about anything having to do with his job. Red flag cubed.

THIS. *shudder*

176 Sionainn  Aug 22, 2014 12:04:15pm

re: #174 ObserverArt

Mom,

I’m worried about you. Please do whatever you can to cut some of the stress. I know that is easily said, especially from an unknown person on an internet site.

I always find that what causes stress are other people and they have no clue they are causing it or have a feel that you are stressed. The only person suffering is you. Others have no feeling.

So, you are the one in control of it all, and you will be the one that needs to find the ways to reduce it.

Whatever it takes. A hobby. Dumping on someone else that can listen to you vent ( Lizards here at LGF are pretty good and it is good you let us know as you are), listen to your favorite music, a run with your dog, a hobby that can drain some bad energy or shift your focus.

Hell, maybe even start making voodoo dolls of all your relatives and start sticking them with pins every time they piss you off.

Whatever it takes.

But I hate to see the feeling person (you) take the abuse when others (them) seem to have a lack of feelings. The one that cares always gets hurt by the uncaring. It sucks. I’ve been there. I think many here have too.

I hope you find some peace and tranquility.

I’ve had to take internet breaks lately because it stresses me out so much with the stupidity and the hatred.

177 Kragar  Aug 22, 2014 12:04:29pm

Its a police officer’s right to plead the 5th.

Its the communities right to relieve him of his duties as an officer for failing to failing to disclose his actions while on duty.

178 EPR-radar  Aug 22, 2014 12:04:36pm

re: #169 calochortus

Well, that’s truly shameful. I must just be a babe in the woods, because I had no idea that suburbs were funding themselves that way. Maybe some little backwoods town somewhere, but this?

Gah. The more I know about Ferguson, the more rotten it seems.

From the linked article:

A report issued just last week by the nonprofit lawyer’s group ArchCity Defenders notes that in the court’s 36 three-hour sessions in 2013, it handled 12,108 cases and 24,532 warrants. That is an average of 1.5 cases and three warrants per Ferguson household. Fines and court fees for the year in this city of just 21,000 people totaled $2,635,400.

36 three hour sessions is a total of 108 hours. In that 108 hours, 12 thousand cases and 24 thousand warrants are dealt with. So that’s about 110 cases and 220 warrants per hour.

It’s easy to see how: “Pay up. Next case”.

179 jaunte  Aug 22, 2014 12:06:40pm

re: #178 EPR-radar

Feudalistic extortion of the serfs.

180 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 22, 2014 12:06:49pm

re: #174 ObserverArt

Hell, maybe even start making voodoo dolls of all your relatives and start sticking them with pins every time they piss you off.

I have a voodoo doll that a friend bought for me in NO. It came with two big old-fashioned hat pins.
I change voodoo doll IDs as needed…

181 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 22, 2014 12:07:19pm
182 jaunte  Aug 22, 2014 12:07:25pm
183 KiTA  Aug 22, 2014 12:08:37pm

re: #178 EPR-radar

The scary thing is how they fuck over their people.

Got a court appotinment for Noon?

It starts at 11:30. And they close the doors at 12:05. If you’re late, it’s “failure to appear” and a host of other fines and charges.

Brown’s “Jaywalking” conviction would have literally ruined his life, all so the city could pay a bunch of crazed white people to play dress up with Military hardware.

184 calochortus  Aug 22, 2014 12:08:42pm

re: #178 EPR-radar

Gah. The more I know about Ferguson, the more rotten it seems.

From the linked article:

36 three hour sessions is a total of 108 hours. In that 108 hours, 12 thousand cases and 24 thousand warrants are dealt with. So that’s about 110 cases and 220 warrants per hour.

It’s easy to see how: “Pay up. Next case”.

That was my thought. Ugh.

185 Dr Lizardo  Aug 22, 2014 12:09:51pm

re: #181 Pie-onist Overlord

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I’ll chip in $10!

186 CuriousLurker  Aug 22, 2014 12:10:10pm

re: #167 Sionainn

For some reason, Yahoo has become my default home page and I can’t get rid of it. The “news” stories are completely hyperbolic.

Same thing happened to me the other day when I installed a Winzip upgrade. I was in a hurry and didn’t proceed with my usual caution—I just clicked through all the defaults of the installation. I ended up with some weird search engine replacing my homepage & default search engines in all my browsers.

I had to uninstall it via the Control Panel (Win7), then manually reset all my browsers homepages & search engines, then finally remove all references to it in the registry. It was a PITA. It wasted way more of my time than paying closer attention to the installation would have.

187 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 22, 2014 12:10:11pm

re: #183 KiTA

The scary thing is how they fuck over their people.

Got a court appotinment for Noon?

It starts at 11:30. And they close the doors at 12:05. If you’re late, it’s “failure to appear” and a host of other fines and charges.

Brown’s “Jaywalking” conviction would have literally ruined his life, all so the city could pay a bunch of crazed white people to play dress up with Military hardware.

It did literally ruin his life.

188 CuriousLurker  Aug 22, 2014 12:10:53pm

re: #176 Sionainn

I’ve had to take internet breaks lately because it stresses me out so much with the stupidity and the hatred.

THIS. I’ve been lurking and/or stepping away a lot for the same reason.

189 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 22, 2014 12:11:09pm

re: #186 CuriousLurker

Same thing happened to me the other day when I installed a Winzip upgrade. I was in a hurry and didn’t proceed with my usual caution—I just clicked through all the defaults of the installation. I ended up with some weird search engine replacing my homepage & default search engines in all my browsers.

I had to uninstall it via the Control Panel (Win7), then manually reset all my browsers homepages & search engines, then finally remove all references to it in the registry. It was a PITA. It wasted way more of my time than paying closer attention to the installation would have.

Ask dot com (don’t want to give them a link) is somehow embedded in a lot of installation bots.

190 Targetpractice  Aug 22, 2014 12:12:05pm

So what exactly is the county prosecutor going to present to the grand jury? A blank incident report? Put one of Wilson’s superiors on the stand to tell the story as it was told to him? Put Wilson himself on the stand only for him to plead the 5th?

191 ObserverArt  Aug 22, 2014 12:12:47pm

re: #131 Backwoods_Sleuth

And, as I mentioned yesterday, “File Photo” quite literally means Hoft owns rights to use that image.
He does not own that image and I suspect he didn’t even ask for permission to use it.

Hmmm. I wonder if the real owners (University of Iowa) know what’s up.

Maybe their law department needs to know. I know if that was Ohio State University, if they got a sniff of something like this, lawyer calls would be raining down on SlimJim “Slim on the facts” Hoft.

192 Rightwingconspirator  Aug 22, 2014 12:14:29pm

re: #177 Kragar

Its a police officer’s right to plead the 5th.

Its the communities right to relieve him of his duties as an officer for failing to failing to disclose his actions while on duty.

content.time.com

Ultimately the Weavers got 3.1 million dollars in a settlement.

193 ObserverArt  Aug 22, 2014 12:15:33pm

re: #137 lawhawk

Wilson would probably have a lawyer by now, and his counsel would probably tell him not to say anything, to protect his rights against self incrimination. That would go for both the county and FPD reports.

The grand jury could call him to testify, but that again runs into his right against self incrimination.

But that doesn’t exclude the police from forming a report without him. There are enough details that could have been put together without Wilson’s statements. And where are the interviews with the other cops who were next to arrive on scene - nothing about securing perimeter, evidence, gathering cellphones, nothing.

Would it surprise anyone if the Ferguson police are trained to not file a report in a shooting that results in a death and the first thing you do is go silent and call your lawyer?

This all seems to be too well planned not to be planned.

194 Rightwingconspirator  Aug 22, 2014 12:16:06pm

re: #188 CuriousLurker

THIS. I’ve been lurking and/or stepping away a lot for the same reason.

Heh, this is where I blow off the stress kicking it around with my online friends. Unless i’m just too angry to post sensibly. You guys help keep that from happening.

195 Decatur Deb  Aug 22, 2014 12:18:12pm

re: #192 Rightwingconspirator

content.time.com

Ultimately the Weavers got 3.1 million dollars in a settlement.

The best solution is usually an engineering solution:
Gun cameras. This can be made much smaller and lighter, triggered acoustically.

echoechonine.blogspot.com

196 calochortus  Aug 22, 2014 12:18:56pm

Even as a member of a presumably privileged group, I would not be happy about having a corrupt police force/legal system. Once you have a system set up to abuse one group, it can be easily used on any other group.

edit: I do understand there are inequities in all systems, but something that is set up to abuse is a totally different beast.

197 lawhawk  Aug 22, 2014 12:19:02pm

re: #193 ObserverArt

It’s why I think local media/national media should FOIA all policies and procedures manuals kept by the FPD and STL county PD.

Then you’d begin to get a sequence:

What were the policies/procedures?
What were the actions/steps taken by the agencies?
Did these agencies follow the policies/procedures?
Why didn’t the agencies follow these policies/procedures?

You’d begin to unravel just who did what and when - and I would go out on a limb to say none of it would be flattering to the agencies.

198 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 22, 2014 12:22:02pm

In other news:

199 OhNoZombies!  Aug 22, 2014 12:22:43pm

I have to come here to maintain perspective.
Otherwise I’d be looking at people sideways every time I went out.

200 A Mom Anon  Aug 22, 2014 12:24:22pm

re: #174 ObserverArt

Thank you sweetie. I mean that. Fortunately, The Husband came home early and is doing some of the stuff I was stressing out about. He kinda took one look at my face and said “I’ll take the dog outside with me and clean up the deck and water everything and vacuum the pool. So now I can relax til the first wave gets here in about 4 hours.

This could be part of why we just celebrated 21 yrs of marriage a few weeks ago, lol.

201 Decatur Deb  Aug 22, 2014 12:26:04pm

re: #196 calochortus

Even as a member of a presumably privileged group, I would not be happy about having a corrupt police force/legal system. Once you have a system set up to abuse one group, it can be easily used on any other group.

edit: I do understand there are inequities in all systems, but something that is set up to abuse is a totally different beast.

If you find yourself outside the bubble, you want a just system. You can’t be white enough or rich enough to rest on ‘privilege’. Ask Patty Hearst.

202 Kragar  Aug 22, 2014 12:26:21pm

re: #199 OhNoZombies!

I have to come here to maintain perspective.
Otherwise I’d be looking at people sideways every time I went out.

What is this “went out” you speak of?

203 wrenchwench  Aug 22, 2014 12:26:46pm

“Huey P. Newton Gun Club”, heh.

204 ausador  Aug 22, 2014 12:26:49pm

re: #28 HappyWarrior

I trust that you or someone else did screenshots.

Been circulating before they took the comment page down completely…

205 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 22, 2014 12:27:32pm
206 CuriousLurker  Aug 22, 2014 12:27:57pm

re: #199 OhNoZombies!

I have to come here to maintain perspective.
Otherwise I’d be looking at people sideways every time I went out.

Seriously. All too often I find myself at the grocery store or doctor’s office or wherever looking at the people around me and wondering which ones are raging wingnuts, closet racists, trolls…

207 CuriousLurker  Aug 22, 2014 12:30:02pm

re: #200 A Mom Anon

Thank you sweetie. I mean that. Fortunately, The Husband came home early and is doing some of the stuff I was stressing out about. He kinda took one look at my face and said “I’ll take the dog outside with me and clean up the deck and water everything and vacuum the pool. So now I can relax til the first wave gets here in about 4 hours.

This could be part of why we just celebrated 21 yrs of marriage a few weeks ago, lol.

Smart guy, your hubby. Some men seem incapable of recognizing what I think of as the “Mount Vesuvius” look on their wives faces. Kids never miss it.

208 A Mom Anon  Aug 22, 2014 12:31:31pm

re: #207 CuriousLurker

Let’s just say he had to learn. Sometimes the hard way, lol. He is however still in training, on some things. Heh.

209 Targetpractice  Aug 22, 2014 12:31:53pm

re: #205 Backwoods_Sleuth

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The question remains, and may very well remain after this all passes, who was it who made the decision for him not to file a report. Because this all seems too tidy for it to be something he decided on the spur of the moment.

210 Dr Lizardo  Aug 22, 2014 12:34:48pm

re: #205 Backwoods_Sleuth

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That is beyond inexplicable to me. Like I said, I’m going to be doing some ESL teaching to some city cop recruits on Tuesday, and I’m going to ask them what they think about that. Czech cops rarely use deadly force, but having taught Czech cops in the past, I know it’s something they consider to be perhaps the most serious kind of incident.

211 Decatur Deb  Aug 22, 2014 12:34:54pm

re: #209 Targetpractice

The question remains, and may very well remain after this all passes, who was it who made the decision for him not to file a report. Because this all seems too tidy for it to be something he decided on the spur of the moment.

Might be a default ‘cultural’ fallback for police tribes in a us/them environment. Would be boosted by a whiff of personal paranoia.

212 OhNoZombies!  Aug 22, 2014 12:35:05pm

re: #206 CuriousLurker

Seriously. All too often I find myself at the grocery store or doctor’s office or wherever looking at the people around me and wondering which ones are raging wingnuts, closet racists, trolls…

I do the same thing.

213 wrenchwench  Aug 22, 2014 12:37:12pm

Me, this morning:

‘I wish there was some way to prepare for the phone call where my stepmother wants me to convince my father that he has to stay in the nursing home and can’t go home.’

Mr. w:

‘Is your phone charged?’

He’s so practical. My phone is charged.

214 Amory Blaine  Aug 22, 2014 12:37:41pm

re: #207 CuriousLurker

Not this guy. I auto-analyze all signs. Tone, gait, inflection, even clattering in the sink that may seems “off”.

215 Charles Johnson  Aug 22, 2014 12:39:08pm
216 Targetpractice  Aug 22, 2014 12:40:05pm

re: #211 Decatur Deb

Might be a default ‘cultural’ fallback for police tribes in a us/them environment. Would be boosted by a whiff of personal paranoia.

I get the feeling that that is very much where the answer lies. What we’d seen in the early days that we interpreted as incompetence now seems more like a deliberate attempt to drag things out as long as it took to get the press to give up and go home. The response to the protests was heavy-handed with an aim towards scaring the locals into dropping the matter. And Wilson was ushered into hiding because they knew if they put him back on the street so soon after the shooting, somebody would recognize him.

217 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 22, 2014 12:41:44pm

I just noticed that there is only one time the name “Wilson” shows up on that St. Louis County report. It’s on the right hand side of the first block of information: “Reporting Officer: 3403 - Wilson”.

218 A Mom Anon  Aug 22, 2014 12:42:17pm

re: #215 Charles Johnson

God really only has one Commandment: Don’t Be a Hateful Asshole. Jim Hoft has failed the only mission we as humans really have. I’m sure his family is SO proud of him. I can only imagine what a joy he is to live with.

219 CuriousLurker  Aug 22, 2014 12:42:35pm

re: #214 Amory Blaine

Not this guy. I auto-analyze all signs. Tone, gait, inflection, even clattering in the sink that may seems “off”.

ROFL—I wish I had more dings to give you for that.

220 calochortus  Aug 22, 2014 12:43:26pm

BBL

221 urbanmeemaw  Aug 22, 2014 12:43:33pm

re: #64 CuriousLurker

I was trying to read the robbery report from the convenience store to compare time incident occurred and time dispatch called but I couldn’t read the numbers. I wanted to compare and contrast exercise.

222 lawhawk  Aug 22, 2014 12:44:02pm

re: #207 CuriousLurker

Smart guy, your hubby. Some men seem incapable of recognizing what I think of as the “Mount Vesuvius” look on their wives faces. Kids never miss it.

If not the look, then the tone in their voice. Sometimes it’s impossible not to know.

223 allegro  Aug 22, 2014 12:44:55pm

re: #216 Targetpractice

I get the feeling that that is very much where the answer lies. What we’d seen in the early days that we interpreted as incompetence now seems more like a deliberate attempt to drag things out as long as it took to get the press to give up and go home. The response to the protests was heavy-handed with an aim towards scaring the locals into dropping the matter. And Wilson was ushered into hiding because they knew if they put him back on the street so soon after the shooting, somebody would recognize him.

I’ll go one step further to suggest that the use of dogs, riot gear, snipers, etc. when there was no indication of anything beyond a peaceful protest was a deliberate provocation to incite violence. It gives them further ammunition to claim that the people of Ferguson are the “animals” they and others *cough*Sorbo*cough* keep calling them. Thus, a reason to shoot them for jaywalking. Thugs yanno.

224 lawhawk  Aug 22, 2014 12:45:18pm

re: #221 urbanmeemaw

Here’s what you need to know. There’s more information about Brown’s homicide in the robbery report than there is in the Ferguson homicide report.

That’s pretty damning in its own right.

But if you want to get the robbery report documents, try this link.

225 Gus  Aug 22, 2014 12:46:56pm
226 CuriousLurker  Aug 22, 2014 12:47:26pm

re: #221 urbanmeemaw

I was trying to read the robbery report from the convenience store to compare time incident occurred and time dispatch called but I couldn’t read the numbers. I wanted to compare and contrast exercise.

I’m saving that one for later since it’s much longer & more detailed. I downloaded the PDFs and they’re both quite legible on my desktop monitor, probably not so much on a smaller screen though.

227 urbanmeemaw  Aug 22, 2014 12:47:45pm

re: #72 Lidane

Exactly. I think that was part of the point Lawhawk referred to earlier upthread (#9):

“The DOJ is already looking into all this, but the MO Attorney General should be taking a closer look at both the FPD and the St. Louis County Police - their policies, procedures, leadership, and orders issued during the entire situation from before the shooting to their actions during the protests and riots.

There’s some seriously bad law enforcement going on here, and the residents are the ones who are going to be stuck with this long after the cameras are gone.”

I would also add that I’m sure the Justice Department will be looking at many other cases besides this one to answer the question you posed.

228 Dr. Matt  Aug 22, 2014 12:47:59pm

Anyone notice that the incident report filed about the convenience store referred to it as a “stealing in progress” and not “robbery in progress”? Interesting……

229 urbanmeemaw  Aug 22, 2014 12:49:52pm

re: #226 CuriousLurker

I’m saving that one for later since it’s much longer & more detailed. I downloaded the PDFs and they’re both quite legible on my desktop monitor, probably not so much on a smaller screen though.

Thank you! Isn’t it amazing that a $50 theft at a convenience store warrants more effort and detailed information than a killing of a human being? Or, sadly, maybe not.

230 Bulworth  Aug 22, 2014 12:50:18pm

re:
#227

“The DOJ is already looking into all this, but the MO Attorney General should be taking a closer look at both the FPD and the St. Louis County Police - their policies, procedures, leadership, and orders issued during the entire situation from before the shooting to their actions during the protests and riots.

D’nesh Dzousa: See, the white man can’t get no justice. This is just like ISIS!!!1111

231 GlutenFreeJesus  Aug 22, 2014 12:50:55pm

Gee. A blank report of Wilson’s murder of Brown? Guess I wasn’t far off in my guess.

232 FemNaziBitch  Aug 22, 2014 12:51:50pm

OK, so I just got a chance to watch the Oliver video in the previous thread.

DUDE!!! It was Excellent.

Also filled out the mixed-breed applications for Feral Girl to be registered in both AKC and UKC.

She starts school soon. My Junior Handler is convinced she can have both her first Agility and her first Obedience title by the time she is 1 year old.

I have a feeling she is going to cost me money… .

How is your afternoon?

233 Dr. Matt  Aug 22, 2014 12:52:38pm

234 blueraven  Aug 22, 2014 12:53:55pm

Garrity Warning

The Garrity warning is an advisement of rights usually administered by state or local investigators to their employees who may be the subject of an internal investigation.

The Garrity warning advises subjects of their criminal and administrative liability for any statements they may make, but also advises subjects of their right to remain silent on any issues that tend to implicate them in a crime. (See Kalkines warning concerning Federal employees.)

It was promulgated by the Supreme Court of the United States in Garrity v. New Jersey (1967). In that case, a police officer was compelled to make a statement or be fired, and then criminally prosecuted for his statement. The Supreme Court found that the officer had been deprived of his Fifth Amendment right to silence.

A typical Garrity warning (exact wording varies between State or local investigative agencies) may read as follows:

You are being asked to provide information as part of an internal and/or administrative investigation. This is a voluntary interview and you do not have to answer questions if your answers would tend to implicate you in a crime. No disciplinary action will be taken against you solely for refusing to answer questions. However, the evidentiary value of your silence may be considered in administrative proceedings as part of the facts surrounding your case. Any statement you do choose to provide may be used as evidence in criminal and/or administrative proceedings.

The Garrity warning helps to ensure the subject’s constitutional rights, while also helping state or local investigators preserve the evidentiary value of statements provided by subjects in concurrent administrative and criminal investigations.

235 FortyDeuce  Aug 22, 2014 12:54:44pm

re: #27 HappyWarrior

Not only disrespect but contempt and hatred. You got Dr. Ben Carson, MD going on TV, a man who never knew Mike and his family claiming that Mike needed a father figure in his life. Charles is right. This is just like Treyvon Martin where wingnuts go all out not only to rationalize murder but to character assassinate the deceased and his entire family.

I had to read his book in middle school. Way back in 1993. If I remember correctly, he didn’t have a father figure either and his mother didn’t have a particularly easy time raising him or his brother.

236 wrenchwench  Aug 22, 2014 12:54:48pm

re: #232 FemNaziBitch

OK, so I just got a chance to watch the Oliver video in the previous thread.

DUDE!!! It was Excellent.

Also filled out the mixed-breed applications for Feral Girl to be registered in both AKC and UKC.

She starts school soon. My Junior Handler is convinced she can have both her first Agility and her first Obedience title by the time she is 1 year old.

I have a feeling she is going to cost me money… .

How is your afternoon?

They register mixed breeds? What is the purpose? To track genealogy?

237 ausador  Aug 22, 2014 12:55:13pm

re: #165 Franklin

LOL, first thing I did was search the page for ‘charles’ then ‘football’.

Ctrl + f is really handy isn’t it? :)

Still amazed how many people don’t even know that it exists.

238 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Aug 22, 2014 12:56:04pm

re: #151 Charles Johnson

I was a bit shocked to find nobody in the comments ranting and raving about me.

Yeah I was surprised as well, maybe they’ve moved on finally.

239 Dr. Matt  Aug 22, 2014 12:56:36pm

re: #27 HappyWarrior

Not only disrespect but contempt and hatred. You got Dr. Ben Carson, MD going on TV, a man who never knew Mike and his family claiming that Mike needed a father figure in his life. Charles is right. This is just like Treyvon Martin where wingnuts go all out not only to rationalize murder but to character assassinate the deceased and his entire family.

Remind me…..who was President Obama’s father figure?

240 Lidane  Aug 22, 2014 12:57:17pm

re: #239 Dr. Matt

Remind me…..who was President Obama’s father figure?

BILL AYERS! SAUL ALINSKY! ELEVENTY!

241 OhNoZombies!  Aug 22, 2014 12:57:41pm

re: #239 Dr. Matt

His grandfather.

242 danarchy  Aug 22, 2014 12:57:55pm

re: #224 lawhawk

Here’s what you need to know. There’s more information about Brown’s homicide in the robbery report than there is in the Ferguson homicide report.

That’s pretty damning in its own right.

But if you want to get the robbery report documents, try this link.

How does this square with this nbc article that says an incident report would not be made public until after the grand jury completes their investigation?

The St. Louis County police department presumably did file an incident report, but any such documents will not be made public until a grand jury investigating the officer-involved shooting concludes its investigation, according to officials from the office who briefed NBC News on the case.

nbcnews.com

243 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Aug 22, 2014 12:58:26pm

re: #151 Charles Johnson

I was a bit shocked to find nobody in the comments ranting and raving about me.

and now Kos The Mighty is giving you an H/T on the front page.

244 wrenchwench  Aug 22, 2014 12:58:47pm

re: #234 blueraven

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Garrity Warning

I never heard of that. Sounds like a super duper Mirandizing. Would be very interesting to know whether Wilson got one.

245 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Aug 22, 2014 12:59:12pm

re: #239 Dr. Matt

Remind me…..who was President Obama’s father figure?

to them, he needed a father figure too.

246 Lidane  Aug 22, 2014 12:59:57pm

David Horowitz has an opinion, y’all:

“What we have going on in Ferguson is a lynch mob, this is one of the most disgraceful acts imaginable,” he continued. “You have uh, indict, prosecute, indict, convict or else, this is exactly the mentality of the lynch mobs of the past, the difference is that this lynch mob is black and it’s led by the attorney general of the United States.”

247 Sionainn  Aug 22, 2014 12:59:58pm

re: #222 lawhawk

If not the look, then the tone in their voice. Sometimes it’s impossible not to know.

My husband is really good at reading the signs, but I usually just flat out tell him when he needs to take over because I’m going to lose it. He’s much more mellow, but he does sometimes reach the breaking point and tells me that it’s my turn. Our rule is that we cannot both lose it at the same time. It’s one or the other.

248 CuriousLurker  Aug 22, 2014 1:01:31pm

re: #237 ausador

Ctrl + f is really handy isn’t it? :)

Still amazed how many people don’t even know that it exists.

In Firefox you can just hit the forward slash key and start typing into the quick find box, then hit F3 for “find next”. I love it because the search box closes itself automatically after about 10 seconds.

It’ doesn’t work well on some pages though, like Twitter, where hitting the “/” just triggers the page’s search form field.

249 Targetpractice  Aug 22, 2014 1:01:36pm

re: #246 Lidane

David Horowitz has an opinion, y’all:

Funny, I thought the whole point of a lynch mob was to…well…lynch people without the benefit of a trial.

250 wrenchwench  Aug 22, 2014 1:01:37pm

Protests at night are a good thing.

251 b_sharp  Aug 22, 2014 1:01:55pm

re: #37 Aqua Obama

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What the fuck is BillO doing opening his trap on something he’s an obliviot about?

252 gwangung  Aug 22, 2014 1:02:21pm

re: #249 Targetpractice

Funny, I thought the whole point of a lynch mob was to…well…lynch people without the benefit of a trial.

Even funnier, doesn’t this apply more to Darren Wilson’s actions against Michael Brown?

253 FemNaziBitch  Aug 22, 2014 1:03:23pm

re: #236 wrenchwench

They register mixed breeds? What is the purpose? To track genealogy?

So your dog can compete and get titles —not Conformation —Performance.

It’s a way to include mixed breed dog/owners in organized dog activities and get their money.

The UKC has had a Limited Priviledge Program for some time. They are the National Club that offers hunting titles. A lot of the “southern huntin’ dogs” were /are of breeds not recognized by the AKC, or were of unknown parentage, but still great hunters!

I like the classes and trials because I end up with a well mannered and healthy dog when I participate. I also have made good friends!

Mixed-breed dogs must be spayed or neutered to be eligible.

I guess we can be prejudiced with our dogs.

254 Kid A  Aug 22, 2014 1:03:31pm

re: #240 Lidane

BILL AYERS! SAUL ALINSKY! ELEVENTY!

Rev. Wright!

255 FemNaziBitch  Aug 22, 2014 1:04:31pm

re: #245 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

to them, he needed a father figure too.

256 Stanley Sea  Aug 22, 2014 1:05:22pm

re: #253 FemNaziBitch

So your dog can compete and get titles —not Conformation —Performance.

It’s a way to include mixed breed dog/owners in organized dog activities and get their money.

The UKC has had a Limited Priviledge Program for some time. They are the National Club that offers hunting titles. A lot of the “southern huntin’ dogs” were /are of breeds not recognized by the AKC, or were of unknown parentage, but still great hunters!

I like the classes and trials because I end up with a well mannered and healthy dog when I participate. I also have made good friends!

Mixed-breed dogs must be spayed or neutered to be eligible.

I guess we can be prejudiced with our dogs.

What name did you end up giving Feral Girl?

257 Lidane  Aug 22, 2014 1:05:23pm

Red Bull + me writing & editing + trying to do actual work on a Friday?

I feel like I’m back in graduate school. Haha.

258 b.d.  Aug 22, 2014 1:05:24pm

re: #250 wrenchwench

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Protests at night are a good thing.

[alex jones] THE GOVERNMENT IS MANIPULATING THE WEATHER AND IS MAKING IT HOT TO DISCOURAGE PEOPLE PROTESTING THIS OPPRESSIVE GOVERNMENT [/alex jones]

259 CuriousLurker  Aug 22, 2014 1:05:25pm

re: #249 Targetpractice

Funny, I thought the whole point of a lynch mob was to…well…lynch people without the benefit of a trial.

Yeah, there were no cops who lost their lives without benefit of a trial.

260 wrenchwench  Aug 22, 2014 1:05:25pm

re: #253 FemNaziBitch

That’s cool! I like opening participation to ‘unpure’ breeds.

261 wrenchwench  Aug 22, 2014 1:06:02pm

re: #257 Lidane

Red Bull + me writing & editing + trying to do actual work on a Friday?

I feel like I’m back in graduate school. Haha.

262 FemNaziBitch  Aug 22, 2014 1:06:10pm

re: #248 CuriousLurker

In Firefox you can just hit the forward slash key and start typing into the quick find box, then hit F3 for “find next”. I love it because the search box closes itself automatically after about 10 seconds.

It’ doesn’t work well on some pages though, like Twitter, where hitting the “/” just triggers the page’s search form field.

I still use Lotus 1-2-3 commands in Excel. At least the ones I remember.

@sum() and such.

263 lawhawk  Aug 22, 2014 1:06:18pm

Compare and contrast (and Charles or curious, feel free to page this).

Ferguson went on an information blackout about Wilson’s medical condition, and all other information about the shooting.

They refused to issue any information, and then produced a laughable police report that doesn’t actually contain any information.

Less than a year ago, a Kansas City cop, who was off duty but in uniform, got into an altercation with a suspect. The cop was severely beaten, and the cop ended up being able to get his firearm out and shot and killed the suspect.

The family released photos showing just how badly beaten the officer was, and other details.

Hubbard still has to undergo facial surgery. The recovery is expected to take four-to-six weeks. The picture of Hubbard was taken Sunday, hours after he was admitted to the hospital.

It was released to FOX 4 with permission from the family. Hubbard was in uniform, working an off-duty job early Sunday when he heard cries for help. A cab driver was reportedly assaulted by Bruno after a dispute about a fare.

When Hubbard arrived, the suspect ran. Hubbard tracked him down and was trying to arrest him when the fight began. According to witness and police accounts, 26-year-old Bruno pinned Hubbard to the ground and punched him repeatedly in the face and head. Fearing for his life, Hubbard was able to get to his gun and fire. Bruno died at the hospital a short time later.

Bruno, a third-generation Kansas City, Missouri firefighter, was buried Friday afternoon. He had just left his wedding reception with his new bride when the incident with the cab driver occurred. Police continue to decline comment pending the shooting investigation

Another officer involved shooting in Kansas city involved a bat-wielding man who was going around a neighborhood breaking windows. He was confronted by police - started to put the bat to the ground, and then took a swing nearly hitting an officer. Another officer fired his firearm, killing the suspect.

Dateline: Dallas, Texas. Officers responding to an incident called in by the victim’s mother, a man lunged at them with a knife, and the officers shot and badly injured the man. That’s what they put in their incident report. A neighborhood security video captured the incident, and it undermines the claims in the officers’ reports. There was no indication that the man lunged at officers. Investigations are underway and those officers are now on indefinite leave. Charges against the man were dropped.

The man who was shot and injured had a mental illness.

This is more than an isolated problem with law enforcement in Ferguson. It’s a law enforcement problem nationally. It affects minority communities . It affects suburbs and inner cities. It affects those with mental illness.

It can affect anyone.

264 alpuz  Aug 22, 2014 1:06:45pm

re: #246 Lidane

ugh. That fuckin’ guy.

265 urbanmeemaw  Aug 22, 2014 1:10:09pm

re: #143 EPR-radar

I’m too young to have seen this first hand, but this Ferguson PD crap seems very similar to what must have happened many times in the Jim Crow era, where the killing of any black person is officially a non-event, especially if the perpetrator is a cop.

Holder and Obama need to come down on this like a ton of bricks. We don’t have Romney in the White House, and that needs to make a difference in this case.

I fear too many African Americans have experienced this far too long.

266 rhuarc  Aug 22, 2014 1:12:21pm

re: #232 FemNaziBitch

Unfortunately your junior handler won’t be able to title Feral Girl in agility until at least 15 months old. That is the earliest any agility organization that I’m aware of allows a dog to compete.

267 Archangelus  Aug 22, 2014 1:14:01pm

re: #215 Charles Johnson

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“Why gatewaypundit is an evil scumbag, exhibit 2,301.”…. yeah, there’s a digit or two missing in that figure…

268 allegro  Aug 22, 2014 1:15:22pm

re: #253 FemNaziBitch

I like the classes and trials because I end up with a well mannered and healthy dog when I participate. I also have made good friends!

Yeah, well, my dogs do tricks, too! They hug, kiss, and snuggle upon request. And show up on time for dinner. Yanno, the really important stuff. :D

269 wrenchwench  Aug 22, 2014 1:16:09pm

re: #266 rhuarc

Welcome, hatchling.

270 urbanmeemaw  Aug 22, 2014 1:16:40pm

re: #197 lawhawk

It’s why I think local media/national media should FOIA all policies and procedures manuals kept by the FPD and STL county PD.

Then you’d begin to get a sequence:

What were the policies/procedures?
What were the actions/steps taken by the agencies?
Did these agencies follow the policies/procedures?
Why didn’t the agencies follow these policies/procedures?

You’d begin to unravel just who did what and when - and I would go out on a limb to say none of it would be flattering to the agencies.

Absolutely. That’s where the media focus should be. The “What” of the department’s operations. Aren’t there any universal operational standards police departments are supposed to follow, do you know?

271 GeneJockey  Aug 22, 2014 1:16:42pm

re: #261 wrenchwench

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She misspelled ‘incompetent’.

272 Gus  Aug 22, 2014 1:17:26pm
273 CuriousLurker  Aug 22, 2014 1:18:05pm

OT - I saw this and was like, “WTFF?” I don’t mean to offend any Catholics that might be present, but the last two paragraphs cracked me up:

Oklahoma City Archbishop Drops Suit Against Devil Worshipping Group

[…]

A lawyer for the Satanic group said that once the lawsuit was dropped they could have the wafer back.

“Once the Catholic Church has dropped the lawsuit, they can collect it from my attorney,” the attorney, Adam Daniels, told the Journal. “I don’t feel like wasting thousands of dollars fighting over a cookie.”

274 FemNaziBitch  Aug 22, 2014 1:18:16pm

I love headline writers —they come up with the best lines.
GOP Candidate Plans To Restart Campaign Despite Extramarital Affair

275 urbanmeemaw  Aug 22, 2014 1:18:31pm

re: #210 Dr Lizardo

That is beyond inexplicable to me. Like I said, I’m going to be doing some ESL teaching to some city cop recruits on Tuesday, and I’m going to ask them what they think about that. Czech cops rarely use deadly force, but having taught Czech cops in the past, I know it’s something they consider to be perhaps the most serious kind of incident.

I hope you will share what you learn? I would find that most interesting, and I think other folks here would also.

276 Lidane  Aug 22, 2014 1:18:36pm

re: #272 Gus

Reinforcing the fact that the fix has been in since Michael Brown bled out in the street.

Darren Wilson will get away with murder.

277 Mike Lamb  Aug 22, 2014 1:19:07pm

re: #246 Lidane

David Horowitz has an opinion, y’all:

With the other ever-so-slight difference being that no one has actually been, you know, lynched…

278 FemNaziBitch  Aug 22, 2014 1:19:17pm

re: #266 rhuarc

Unfortunately your junior handler won’t be able to title Feral Girl in agility until at least 15 months old. That is the earliest any agility organization that I’m aware of allows a dog to compete.

hmmm, she’s pretty good at this stuff. I’ll have to ask her.

279 Frenchy  Aug 22, 2014 1:19:42pm

Hmm, why no mention of the “bull charge” in the report? Confused, maybe Hoft can fill us in.

280 CuriousLurker  Aug 22, 2014 1:19:53pm

re: #277 Mike Lamb

With the other ever-so-slight difference being that no one has actually been, you know, lynched…

Except maybe Mike Brown.

281 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Aug 22, 2014 1:20:12pm

re: #270 urbanmeemaw

Absolutely. That’s where the media focus should be. The “What” of the department’s operations. Aren’t there any universal operational standards police departments are supposed to follow, do you know?

This is what I have been saying for a while, the the details of the shooting they released were all red herrings designed to get the media howling in righteous outrage to drown out the true scandal behind the shooting.

282 urbanmeemaw  Aug 22, 2014 1:20:13pm

re: #224 lawhawk

Thank you!

283 FemNaziBitch  Aug 22, 2014 1:20:27pm

re: #273 CuriousLurker

OT - I saw this and was like, “WTFF?” I don’t mean to offend any Catholics that might be present, but the last two paragraphs cracked me up:

Just when you thought you weren’t living in the Twilight Zone …

284 Kragar  Aug 22, 2014 1:20:34pm

re: #266 rhuarc

Weren’t you the one of the guys who took the Stone of Tear?

285 Lidane  Aug 22, 2014 1:21:01pm

The RWNJ God is a Dick, part infinity:

Fischer: God Will Use ISIS To Punish America For Gay Rights

Just as God used the Israelites to destroy the Canaanites as punishment for their utter debauchery and then used “pagan armies” to punish Israel when it fell into sin, Fischer explained, so too will God use Islamic radicals to inflict his judgment upon America.

Asserting that the people of Sodom and Gomorrah are “just like the Gay Gestapo is today” and that America is celebrating behavior that God calls an abomination while persecuting those who stand for God’s values, Fischer warned that “God eventually is going to run out of patience with the United States.”

286 FemNaziBitch  Aug 22, 2014 1:21:41pm

re: #256 Stanley Sea

What name did you end up giving Feral Girl?

She is Tiger’s Sweet Child of Mine
call name: Freya

287 simoom  Aug 22, 2014 1:21:55pm

re: #204 ausador

Been circulating before they took the comment page down completely…

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I grabbed some of the higher donation comments late last night. Not sure if it was after gofundme started hiding some of the worst offenders:

288 allegro  Aug 22, 2014 1:23:58pm

re: #276 Lidane

Reinforcing the fact that the fix has been in since Michael Brown bled out in the street.

Darren Wilson will get away with murder.

And have quite the financial nest-egg as well. Once again, thanks to the FPD.

I’m really tired of WTFing. It seems endless with these assholes.

289 Bulworth  Aug 22, 2014 1:24:17pm

re:
#281

This is what I have been saying for a while, the the details of the shooting they released were all red herrings designed to get the media howling in righteous outrage to drown out the true scandal behind the shooting.

Yeah this times 1754 billions eleventy

290 Dr Lizardo  Aug 22, 2014 1:24:42pm

re: #275 urbanmeemaw

I hope you will share what you learn? I would find that most interesting, and I think other folks here would also.

I will. I’m interested as to what they’ll have to say about it.

291 b_sharp  Aug 22, 2014 1:24:49pm

I GAZE into your eyes longingly.

If you can’t hear me, tell me and I’ll read louder.

292 FemNaziBitch  Aug 22, 2014 1:25:18pm

Yesterday, during our training walk she sat in heel position as we approached a curb —GOOD GIRL!

We’ve moved on to “look LEFT and look RIGHT”. She took to it no problem, now just putting it all together will be fun.

Look Left and Right is just a fun thing, but I wouldn’t be surprised if she actually DOES it eventually.

293 Decatur Deb  Aug 22, 2014 1:25:26pm

re: #273 CuriousLurker

OT - I saw this and was like, “WTFF?” I don’t mean to offend any Catholics that might be present, but the last two paragraphs cracked me up:

Who in hell would sue the devil, with the legal team at his disposal?

294 Bulworth  Aug 22, 2014 1:25:38pm

re:
#285

Bryan is a really disturbed little man who hates America and Freedom.

295 Frenchy  Aug 22, 2014 1:26:00pm

All I know is that I won’t consider justice done in this case until Darren Wilson is behind bars for murder, AND a lot of heads roll among the higher-ups of both the FPD and StLCPD. The murder is not the only crime that’s been committed here.

This entire coverup is a sham and an outrage.

296 rhuarc  Aug 22, 2014 1:26:55pm

re: #278 FemNaziBitch

AKC is 15 months. USDAA is 18 months. UKI is 15 (nursery and speedstakes) or 18 months (everything else). NADAC is 18 months. UKC appears to be 12 months. I have never competed in UKC so was surprised to see the age at 12 months. A lot of people don’t even start training their dog for agility until that age. They spend that first year just working on the bond with the dog and doing simple team building games.

297 Bulworth  Aug 22, 2014 1:26:56pm

re:
#285

I thought the radical Islamists hated us because of our freedoms?

Half /

298 lawhawk  Aug 22, 2014 1:28:10pm

Mental health break:

Babies experiencing things for first time:

299 TedStriker  Aug 22, 2014 1:28:10pm

re: #68 Gus

They didn’t have any problem putting together an incident report about Mike Brown and the cigar incident.

And fishing for video.

300 FemNaziBitch  Aug 22, 2014 1:28:43pm

re: #273 CuriousLurker

OT - I saw this and was like, “WTFF?” I don’t mean to offend any Catholics that might be present, but the last two paragraphs cracked me up:

I love that the Archbishop admitted that is ONLY A COOKIE.

I might have to screen shot that.

301 FemNaziBitch  Aug 22, 2014 1:30:15pm

re: #293 Decatur Deb

Who in hell would sue the devil, with the legal team profession at his disposal?

//;0

302 JDRhoades  Aug 22, 2014 1:30:26pm

They knew they were going to get sued and that every word they wrote would be used to cross examine them.

303 alpuz  Aug 22, 2014 1:30:27pm

re: #272 Gus

I can’t get that site to load on either a mac or in windows 7. Can someone grab a screenshot or make a PDF? I’d appreciate it.

304 Gus  Aug 22, 2014 1:31:23pm

re: #303 alpuz

I can’t get that site to load on either a mac or in windows 7. Can someone grab a screenshot or make a PDF? I’d appreciate it.

Yeah, neither can I.

305 GeneJockey  Aug 22, 2014 1:31:29pm

re: #300 FemNaziBitch

I love that the Archbishop admitted that is ONLY A COOKIE.

I might have to screen shot that.

Well, yeah - NOW. Just don’t eat it.

306 FemNaziBitch  Aug 22, 2014 1:31:40pm

re: #296 rhuarc

AKC is 15 months. USDAA is 18 months. UKI is 15 (nursery and speedstakes) or 18 months (everything else). NADAC is 18 months. UKC appears to be 12 months. I have never competed in UKC so was surprised to see the age at 12 months. A lot of people don’t even start training their dog for agility until that age. They spend that first year just working on the bond with the dog and doing simple team building games.

I start with puppy agility as soon as possible. Great exercise for mind and body. Even if the dog isn’t going to compete for a title —it’s a great weekly class for any dog to attend.

AND a good lead in to more formal Obedience. I don’t do Rally, I just don’t think it’s as good a transition to Obedience as is agility.

Tired Puppies make happy owners!

307 Ace-o-aces  Aug 22, 2014 1:32:27pm

re: #297 Bulworth

re:
#285

I thought the radical Islamists hated us because of our freedoms?

Half /

So does Bryan Fischer.

308 simoom  Aug 22, 2014 1:34:38pm

re: #303 alpuz

It seems to be giving “MetaFilter is over capacity at the moment” server errors.

309 FemNaziBitch  Aug 22, 2014 1:34:43pm

re: #296 rhuarc

AKC is 15 months. USDAA is 18 months. UKI is 15 (nursery and speedstakes) or 18 months (everything else). NADAC is 18 months. UKC appears to be 12 months. I have never competed in UKC so was surprised to see the age at 12 months. A lot of people don’t even start training their dog for agility until that age. They spend that first year just working on the bond with the dog and doing simple team building games.

BTW Welcome Hatchling.

Nice to have another dog lover here.

310 Ace-o-aces  Aug 22, 2014 1:34:46pm

re: #279 Frenchy

Hmm, why no mention of the “bull charge” in the report? Confused, maybe Hoft can fill us in.

You can’t expect to fill out a report after he barely survive an MMA SUPERPUNCH!!!!!!

311 FemNaziBitch  Aug 22, 2014 1:35:45pm

re: #268 allegro

Yeah, well, my dogs do tricks, too! They hug, kiss, and snuggle upon request. And show up on time for dinner. Yanno, the really important stuff. :D

I try to get them to learn “nose kisses”, but some are better at controlling their licker than others.

312 rhuarc  Aug 22, 2014 1:36:09pm

re: #306 FemNaziBitch

I start with puppy agility as soon as possible. Great exercise for mind and body. Even if the dog isn’t going to compete for a title —it’s a great weekly class for any dog to attend.

Tired Puppies make happy owners!

Oh, definitely. I start mine very early. Start teaching the fundamentals that don’t require any equipment. Just walking around the yard teaching them to read my body language. Class for me comes much later as I can do a lot of stuff on my own now since it’s no longer my first rodeo for training a dog for agility.

313 FemNaziBitch  Aug 22, 2014 1:37:42pm

re: #312 rhuarc

Oh, definitely. I start mine very early. Start teaching the fundamentals that don’t require any equipment. Just walking around the yard teaching them to read my body language. Class for me comes much later as I can do a lot of stuff on my own now since it’s no longer my first rodeo for training a dog for agility.

I know, but getting them into the training center and exposing them to the environment there is a good for them.

Also, my Junior Handler is often there anyway for several classes in a row …

I can’t do the handling anymore, balance issues. We work on all kinds of stuff around the house and whiile we do our walks. Feral Girl and Brat Puppy are sensitive, so getting used to the noises in the ring is essential.

314 danarchy  Aug 22, 2014 1:38:27pm

re: #300 FemNaziBitch

I love that the Archbishop admitted that is ONLY A COOKIE.

I might have to screen shot that.

I think you might have read that wrong. The only a cookie thing was from the satanist group.

315 Charles Johnson  Aug 22, 2014 1:38:39pm

Too funny… that CT scan image that Jim Hoft altered? He didn’t even delete the original from his site. Here it is:

orbital-blowout.jpg

316 Targetpractice  Aug 22, 2014 1:39:06pm

Yet I imagine that, no matter how bad the stench gets, we can expect nothing in the way of help from state officials outside the STL offices. If Nixon’s actions in the past two weeks have been any indication, he’s just as invested in this whole business being swept under the rug. No doubt there’s some worry about losing the FOP’s support for his next reelection bid.

317 CuriousLurker  Aug 22, 2014 1:39:15pm

re: #300 FemNaziBitch

I love that the Archbishop admitted that is ONLY A COOKIE.

I might have to screen shot that.

It wasn’t the Archbishop who said that, it was the attorney for the Satan-worshiping group. That’s not really clear unless you read the original article at the WSJ:

[…]

Adam Daniels, the head of the Satan-worshiping group, called Dakhma of Angra Mainyu, had told Law Blog earlier in the day that he would return the wafer to the Catholic Church if it agreed to drop the lawsuit against him.

“Once the Catholic Church has dropped the lawsuit, they can collect it from my attorney,” he said. “I don’t feel like wasting thousands of dollars fighting over a cookie.”

[…]

blogs.wsj.com

318 urbanmeemaw  Aug 22, 2014 1:39:21pm

re: #290 Dr Lizardo

Thank you.

319 FemNaziBitch  Aug 22, 2014 1:39:27pm

re: #314 danarchy

I think you might have read that wrong. The only a cookie thing was from the satanist group.

hmmm, I thought it was the attorney for the Archbishop —either way, it says something about reality vs symbolism

320 rhuarc  Aug 22, 2014 1:41:11pm

re: #309 FemNaziBitch

BTW Welcome Hatchling.

Nice to have another dog lover here.

Thanks! Big time dog lover here. Have 4 at home right now. 1 rottweiler (the oldest and alpha) and 3 belgian malinois. 2 of the malinois are “mine” and the other 2 dogs are my wife’s. I’m into agility big time so that’s why I suddenly started commenting instead of lurking. :)

321 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 22, 2014 1:41:27pm

re: #303 alpuz

I can’t get that site to load on either a mac or in windows 7. Can someone grab a screenshot or make a PDF? I’d appreciate it.

screenshot of the comment at that page:

322 simoom  Aug 22, 2014 1:42:21pm

re: #321 Backwoods_Sleuth

Google cached version:

webcache.googleusercontent.com

323 alpuz  Aug 22, 2014 1:43:13pm

re: #321 Backwoods_Sleuth

Thanks!

324 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 22, 2014 1:43:29pm

re: #322 simoom

Google cached version:

webcache.googleusercontent.com

I’ve got the entire page open in another tab here.

325 Charles Johnson  Aug 22, 2014 1:45:44pm
326 Gus  Aug 22, 2014 1:47:25pm

re: #321 Backwoods_Sleuth

screenshot of the comment at that page:
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OK. That’s not the Gofundme fund.

327 Charles Johnson  Aug 22, 2014 1:48:12pm
328 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 22, 2014 1:48:22pm

re: #326 Gus

OK. That’s not the Gofundme fund.

Correct.

329 Decatur Deb  Aug 22, 2014 1:49:05pm

The Dream Defenders is a youth action sponsored by the NAACP. They started as a response to the Trayvon Martin shooting, occupying the front of the statehouse in Tallahassee for some months. Their demands re Ferguson are listed in this film—some have been fulfilled, most won’t be in their lifetime.

Vimeo

This is what it looks like when a torch is passed.

dreamdefenders.org

330 Charles Johnson  Aug 22, 2014 1:49:42pm

re: #326 Gus

OK. That’s not the Gofundme fund.

There’s actually a new GoFundMe page now that goes through “Shield of Hope:” gofundme.com

331 Charles Johnson  Aug 22, 2014 1:50:58pm
332 Charles Johnson  Aug 22, 2014 1:51:59pm
333 wrenchwench  Aug 22, 2014 1:52:38pm

re: #329 Decatur Deb

The Dream Defenders is a youth action sponsored by the NAACP. They started as a response to the Trayvon Martin shooting, occupying the front of the statehouse in Tallahassee for some months. Their demands are listed in this film—some have been fulfilled, most won’t be in their lifetime.

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Radical.

“Walk the street with us into history. Get off the sidewalk.”
-Dolores Huerta

334 Dr Lizardo  Aug 22, 2014 1:53:45pm

re: #332 Charles Johnson

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And there we go; there’s the answer. Officer Wilson has no desire to give any testimony or make any statement that may very well badly incriminate him.

335 Targetpractice  Aug 22, 2014 1:54:38pm

re: #332 Charles Johnson

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Ayep, he knew he fucked up. This was no clean shoot, this was a cop who let his anger get the best of him. Now a teen is dead and he’s trying to avoid going to jail for a very long time.

336 Bulworth  Aug 22, 2014 1:54:38pm

re:
#322

Did Wilson have a partner? Wonder if it’s routine for officers involved in shootings to plead the 5th?

337 Charles Johnson  Aug 22, 2014 1:55:46pm
338 Charles Johnson  Aug 22, 2014 1:56:02pm
339 Targetpractice  Aug 22, 2014 1:56:24pm

Of course, the next question is if he invoked on advice from counsel or a superior? Did somebody else realize how badly he’d fucked up and tell him to keep his trap shut? Or did he come to that conclusion himself?

340 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 22, 2014 1:56:26pm

Taking 5% of all transactions, GoFundMe is making a small fortune on all of this.

341 abolitionist  Aug 22, 2014 1:58:16pm

Re: Update, robbery report:
In section where Investigation and Reporting are checked, I noticed
Arrived scene 08/13/2014 2026
—over 100 hours after Michael Brown died. Maybe that was when a warrant was served for seizing the store’s surveillance video.
Yet the report itself (near top left) indicates 08/09/2014 1151
—which was before the officer encountered Michael Brown.

342 Charles Johnson  Aug 22, 2014 1:58:20pm

re: #340 Backwoods_Sleuth

Taking 5% of all transactions, GoFundMe is making a small fortune on all of this.

That’s why they’re not deleting it.

343 Charles Johnson  Aug 22, 2014 1:58:40pm
344 FemNaziBitch  Aug 22, 2014 1:58:55pm

Ok, I’m outta here for a while.

bbl

345 Danny  Aug 22, 2014 2:01:51pm

re: #134 Targetpractice

Yeah, but that deposition was days after the fact, time for him, his lawyer(s), and the police brass to get their stories straight.

No deposition yet; Wilson hasn’t been charged. MSNBS (I think) said he has been interviewed twice by StLC investigators, but as was pointed out in an earlier thread, he may or may not have answered their questions.

346 Danny  Aug 22, 2014 2:02:43pm

re: #345 Danny

MSNBC…Freudian slip maybe LOL

347 Targetpractice  Aug 22, 2014 2:03:01pm

Wilson’s fan club has been saying for days “Wait for all the facts.” Well, the facts are now starting to come out, and they don’t look good for Wilson. So far, I think the only wingnut ring leader I’ve seen who’s acknowledged the stink has been Erick, Son of Erick.

348 Lidane  Aug 22, 2014 2:03:20pm

So tricking myself into thinking I didn’t want the job did the trick. Banged out a writing sample, edited it, and sent everything off.

Would be a great gig. I’ll be hopeful, but at least in the meantime I get some kind of paycheck.

349 Charles Johnson  Aug 22, 2014 2:04:55pm
350 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 22, 2014 2:04:55pm

well…

UPDATE #18
4 MINS AGO
New GoFundMe site through Shield of Hope: gofundme.com

Good Afternoon,
We (being the admins of the page) began this GoFundMe site after our Facebook page “Support Darren Wilson” grew and we saw that there was a need for an online donation site for those who wanted to donate. We set up this GoFundMe page and it quickly gained enormous support for Officer Darren Wilson. Then, once we located the local charitable foundation, Shield of Hope (a non-profit organization), that has been designated as the authorized charity for donations on behalf of Darren Wilson, we began working together to have a GoFundMe page set up to collect and disburse donations for Officer Wilson through the Charitable Foundation. Unfortunately, to do so requires us to end collection on the current page that you are viewing now. GoFundMe does not allow transfer of existing campaigns, even to charities. Please know that all funds received from our events, this GoFundMe site and our TeeSpring campaign will be donated to Officer Darren Wilson, and in the future, donations will still be donated to Officer Wilson, but will be tax deductible for donors as well. Shield of Hope is a Certified Charity on GoFundMe, is available via public search with GoFundMe, and has been designated by the IRS as a 501(c)(3) non-profit organization.
With the creation of a new page, the donation amount shown will initially reset to zero. Please do not confuse this with the current donation amounts received on this page. Shield of Hope has offered to post all funds received from this GoFundMe page, our TeeSpring page and our rally/t-shirt funds collected on the street on their site indicating they have received these funds from us, once we are able to send those funds to the Foundation. This will allow all of our supporters to confirm that funds collected on this page were sent to the correct place for Officer Darren Wilson.
We will continue to operate the “Support Darren Wilson” Facebook page and TeeSpring page independently. If there are any other changes, we will post updates via our Facebook page. We will also still be available for direct contact for any questions, clarification and t-shirt sales.
The Ferguson Police Department has requested that all donations that supporters may wish to mail be made payable to “Shield of Hope” and mailed to Shield of Hope, 9620 Lackland Rd., St. Louis MO 63114.

351 BeachDem  Aug 22, 2014 2:06:43pm

re: #143 EPR-radar

I’m too young to have seen this first hand, but this Ferguson PD crap seems very similar to what must have happened many times in the Jim Crow era, where the killing of any black person is officially a non-event, especially if the perpetrator is a cop.

Holder and Obama need to come down on this like a ton of bricks. We don’t have Romney in the White House, and that needs to make a difference in this case.

Sadly, still appropriate—Goodman and Schwerner and Chaney—Tom Paxton, 1964

The pot-bellied coppers shook hands all around,
And joked with the rednecks who came into town
And they swore that the murderer soon would be found
And they laughed as they spat their tobacco.

352 Charles Johnson  Aug 22, 2014 2:07:45pm

These guys are so fucking transparent. It’s pathetic.

353 alpuz  Aug 22, 2014 2:09:04pm

Who the hell are ProgsToday?

354 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 22, 2014 2:09:05pm

re: #352 Charles Johnson

These guys are so fucking transparent. It’s pathetic.

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Obviously, what it says on the bottom doesn’t mean what he thinks it does.

355 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Aug 22, 2014 2:09:43pm

re: #352 Charles Johnson

The other thing is that that’s the most piss-poor ‘shop blackout of part of an image I’ve ever seen. And apparently, none of these fuckwits have heard of Tineye or Google image search.

356 Charles Johnson  Aug 22, 2014 2:09:56pm
357 ausador  Aug 22, 2014 2:10:04pm
358 Charles Johnson  Aug 22, 2014 2:12:45pm
359 Charles Johnson  Aug 22, 2014 2:13:28pm

Now they’re going to claim “cropped out” their “file image” line? Seriously? When I linked to their fucking post and anyone could see it for themselves?

360 ObserverArt  Aug 22, 2014 2:13:37pm

re: #348 Lidane

So tricking myself into thinking I didn’t want the job did the trick. Banged out a writing sample, edited it, and sent everything off.

Would be a great gig. I’ll be hopeful, but at least in the meantime I get some kind of paycheck.

That’s the way to do it!

As an artist, I know all too well about creation lock. I’m sure others do too. Try hard…lock up.

361 Franklin  Aug 22, 2014 2:13:58pm

re: #358 Charles Johnson

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And why didn’t they correct Coulter when she wrote about the File Image as Real X-Ray.

362 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Aug 22, 2014 2:14:01pm

Relating to the GoFundMe page: Will Wilson have to hire a private attorney for a criminal case? I assume he would for any civil suit. What’s the police union involvement here? He was on the job, so I would assume this would be handled possibly through public funds?

363 Charles Johnson  Aug 22, 2014 2:14:41pm
364 jaunte  Aug 22, 2014 2:15:43pm

Do the words “file image” have some magic meaning in the medical records field?

365 Lidane  Aug 22, 2014 2:16:33pm

re: #364 jaunte

Do the words “file image” have some magic meaning in the medical records field?

THEY DESCRIBE THE IMAGE OF A FILE. DUH U LIBTARD.

366 klys  Aug 22, 2014 2:16:48pm

re: #364 jaunte

Do the words “file image” have some magic meaning in the medical records field?

They want to pretend that those words were there from the beginning because then it’s not Hoft’s fault that people thought it was the actual x-ray image.

I don’t have enough energy today to give a fuck about them.

367 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Aug 22, 2014 2:16:56pm

re: #364 jaunte

Do the words “file image” have some magic meaning in the medical records field?

It means “We create our own little reality in which unfounded assertions become facts in light of the way in which they serve to spread the Higher Truth”

368 gwangung  Aug 22, 2014 2:17:09pm

re: #364 jaunte

Do the words “file image” have some magic meaning in the medical records field?

It really means “file image belonging to someone else that I’m ripping off”.

370 HappyWarrior  Aug 22, 2014 2:18:12pm

re: #359 Charles Johnson

Now they’re going to claim “cropped out” their “file image” line? Seriously? When I linked to their fucking post and anyone could see it for themselves?

Yeah they really are that shameless.

371 urbanmeemaw  Aug 22, 2014 2:18:17pm

For those of you who wonder if any good can come out of this, here is a link to a Wikipedia entry about the 2001 riots in Cincinnati that resulted when a Cincinnati police officer killed Timothy Thomas, a young, unarmed African American man. The entry includes an overview of unequal treatment African Americans experienced at the hands of the police.

en.wikipedia.org

Here is a link to some information about the collaborative agreement reached between the community and police resulting from this incident:

socsci.uci.edu

Current and former Cincinnati government and police officials have talked to parties in Ferguson about this process and this agreement. I’m not sure who asked for their input or who they talked to.

While things are not perfect, there has been great improvement in how police interact with citizens here. I despaired of any positive change in this city, but it has happened. That’s why I am hoping Ferguson can experience positive long term outcomes also. If Cincinnati can do it, any city can do it.

372 jaunte  Aug 22, 2014 2:18:18pm

Image Not Actually the Individual In Question, but Dramatic Pre-Reenactment

373 gwangung  Aug 22, 2014 2:18:19pm

re: #366 klys

They want to pretend that those words were there from the beginning because then it’s not Hoft’s fault that people thought it was the actual x-ray image.

No, it’s still Hoff’s fault that he didn’t clearly label that this was from the University of Iowa, that he didn’t ask permission to use it and that he didn’t clearly label that this was not Wilson’s X-ray.

374 Targetpractice  Aug 22, 2014 2:18:31pm

re: #362 Rev_Arthur_Belling

Relating to the GoFundMe page: Will Wilson have to hire a private attorney for a criminal case? I assume he would for any civil suit. What’s the police union involvement here? He was on the job, so I would assume this would be handled possibly through public funds?

IIRC, the FOP said they’d be handling his legal representation.

375 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Aug 22, 2014 2:19:12pm

re: #364 jaunte

Do the words “file image” have some magic meaning in the medical records field?

I think it means “it’s not lupus.” ;)

It’s never lupus

376 HappyWarrior  Aug 22, 2014 2:20:00pm

re: #369 Lidane

FRC’s Craig James Stumped By Question Likening Gay Marriage Bans To Anti-Miscegenation Laws

It’s about someone do this. James and the FRC are no different from the people who told Mildred and Richard Loving that their marriage shouldn’t be allowed because the Bible blah blah.

377 blueraven  Aug 22, 2014 2:21:24pm

CNN reporting a FPD officer relieved of duty for comments made on Gays, President Obama…

378 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Aug 22, 2014 2:22:22pm

re: #376 HappyWarrior

It’s about someone do this. James and the FRC are no different from the people who told Mildred and Richard Loving that their marriage shouldn’t be allowed because the Bible blah blah.

Wasn’t James the guy who was in trouble with Texas Tech at one point? Ran for office in Texas? Major douchebag? (okay, there shouldn’t be a question mark after that last one.)

379 EPR-radar  Aug 22, 2014 2:23:00pm

re: #347 Targetpractice

Wilson’s fan club has been saying for days “Wait for all the facts.” Well, the facts are now starting to come out, and they don’t look good for Wilson. So far, I think the only wingnut ring leader I’ve seen who’s acknowledged the stink has been Erick, Son of Erick.

Today’s post by EE at RedState regarding the un-Christian tone of much conservative commentary and activism was thoroughly entertaining, especially some of the push-back in the comments.

380 The Mountain That Blogs  Aug 22, 2014 2:23:03pm

Hey Charles—on Hoft’s post, underneath the altered image is this paragraph:

A blowout fracture is a fracture of one or more of the bones surrounding the eye and is commonly referred to as an orbital floor fracture. (AAPOS)

Has that always been there or did he add it after you pointed out that the CT image was bullshit? Because that link has the same damn CT picture.

381 Bulworth  Aug 22, 2014 2:23:23pm

re:
#378

Yeah, that guy. Former sports broadcaster. Very good at that day job. Should’ve kept it.

382 Jenner7  Aug 22, 2014 2:23:23pm

Ten days later….wow.

383 klys  Aug 22, 2014 2:23:50pm

re: #380 The Mountain That Blogs

Hey Charles—on Hoft’s post, underneath the altered image is this paragraph:

A blowout fracture is a fracture of one or more of the bones surrounding the eye and is commonly referred to as an orbital floor fracture. (AAPOS)

Has that always been there or did he add it after you pointed out that the CT image was bullshit? Because that link has the same damn CT picture.

Added after.

No one got a screenshot of the before, though.

384 HappyWarrior  Aug 22, 2014 2:23:58pm

re: #378 Rev_Arthur_Belling

Wasn’t James the guy who was in trouble with Texas Tech at one point? Ran for office in Texas? Major douchebag? (okay, there shouldn’t be a question mark after that last one.)

Yes, yes he was. And he was recruited by SMU when SMU was doing some very sketchy legal stuff too. Not that I like a lot of the NCAA’s rules and regs but this isn’t a guy who should be lecturing about “It’s in the Bible!.”

385 Bulworth  Aug 22, 2014 2:24:14pm

re:
#379

Wow, WTH is getting into Erick son of Erick?

386 Charles Johnson  Aug 22, 2014 2:24:43pm
387 HappyWarrior  Aug 22, 2014 2:24:47pm

re: #379 EPR-radar

Today’s post by EE at RedState regarding the un-Christian tone of much conservative commentary and activism was thoroughly entertaining, especially some of the push-back in the comments.

Surprised EE’s still doing the blind squirrel act. I won’t complain. He’s still an ass but it’s refreshing.

388 blueraven  Aug 22, 2014 2:24:55pm

re: #377 blueraven

CNN reporting a FPD officer relieved of duty for comments made on Gays, President Obama…

Correction: a St Louis County officer
Same officer had pushed Don Lemon on air.
Comments were at an oathkeepers event

389 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Aug 22, 2014 2:25:15pm

re: #385 Bulworth

re:
#379

Wow, WTH is getting into Erick son of Erick?

Stopped Clock. That’s my theory for “Goat Fucker” Erick son of Erick

390 Charles Johnson  Aug 22, 2014 2:25:46pm

re: #380 The Mountain That Blogs

It was added afterwards, and so was “file image.”

391 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Aug 22, 2014 2:25:58pm

re: #387 HappyWarrior

Surprised EE’s still doing the blind squirrel act. I won’t complain. He’s still an ass but it’s refreshing.

Would be great to think that he is growing some integrity, but then again, maybe he is too dense to pick up on the Machiavellian thread of lies and deception behind this case.

392 Bulworth  Aug 22, 2014 2:26:14pm

re:
#377

Shocking. My surprise face, etc.

Oh, let me leave this video of Brown at the store right here……

393 HappyWarrior  Aug 22, 2014 2:26:31pm

re: #389 Rev_Arthur_Belling

Stopped Clock. That’s my theory for “Goat Fucker” Erick son of Erick

Right, I mean Rand Paul has criticized the militarization of the police but yet Rand will probably be the first to complain if this gets taken up by DOJ and Holder. I’ll take it though. It does show that EE has a “little” bit more humanity left in him than Loesch, Hoft, and the others.

394 Targetpractice  Aug 22, 2014 2:26:51pm

re: #382 Jenner7

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Ten days later….wow.

Yes, of which the majority of those 10 days they were dodging FOIA requests by claiming said reports were “confidential.”

395 HappyWarrior  Aug 22, 2014 2:27:06pm

re: #391 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Would be great to think that he is growing some integrity, but then again, maybe he is too dense to pick up on the Machiavellian thread of lies and deception behind this case.

Yeah it would be nice to think that too but this is EE’s blind squirrel/stopped clock moment.

396 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Aug 22, 2014 2:27:09pm

re: #391 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Would be great to think that he is growing some integrity, but then again, maybe he is too dense to pick up on the Machiavellian thread of lies and deception behind this case.

I will believe EE^1341341 has integrity when he closes down his POS website and resigns from CNN in an act of humility.

397 blueraven  Aug 22, 2014 2:27:12pm

re: #388 blueraven

Correction: a St Louis County officer
Same officer had pushed Don Lemon on air.
Comments were at an oathkeepers event

quote:

I am into diversity…I kill everybody

398 Bulworth  Aug 22, 2014 2:27:20pm

re:
#384

Now James works at the Family Research Center, a wingnut welfare institute.

399 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Aug 22, 2014 2:27:58pm

BBL

400 HappyWarrior  Aug 22, 2014 2:28:34pm

re: #398 Bulworth

re:
#384

Now James works at the Family Research Center, a wingnut welfare institute.

I can never tell the FRC and AFA apart. FRC is Perkins and AFA is Fischer, right?

401 EPR-radar  Aug 22, 2014 2:28:37pm

re: #385 Bulworth

re:
#379

Wow, WTH is getting into Erick son of Erick?

He might be finally getting a clear view of the monsters of the id the right wing machine has constructed over the past few decades.

402 Charles Johnson  Aug 22, 2014 2:28:49pm
403 HappyWarrior  Aug 22, 2014 2:29:36pm

re: #402 Charles Johnson

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Really, why not clarify that? Unless the intention was to misrepresent the image like a certain Gateway Pundit has.

404 Rightwingconspirator  Aug 22, 2014 2:30:43pm

re: #195 Decatur Deb

The best solution is usually an engineering solution:
Gun cameras. This can be made much smaller and lighter, triggered acoustically.

echoechonine.blogspot.com

What a good idea. For any defensive gun, cop or civilian.
Leave it to IDPA to be out front with good defensive / competitive gear.

405 Bulworth  Aug 22, 2014 2:31:05pm

re:
#400

Yeah. FRC used to be headed by Gary Bauer.

en.wikipedia.org

406 HappyWarrior  Aug 22, 2014 2:31:07pm

re: #401 EPR-radar

He might be finally getting a clear view of the monsters of the id the right wing machine has constructed over the past few decades.

I don’t know. Maybe he’ll grow some integrity but it wouldn’t surprise me if he’s joining the chorus again once a new story takes over.

407 Charles Johnson  Aug 22, 2014 2:31:10pm
408 HappyWarrior  Aug 22, 2014 2:32:02pm

re: #405 Bulworth

re:
#400

Yeah. FRC used to be headed by Gary Bauer.

en.wikipedia.org

Ahh right. So confusing at times since both of them are into “Let’s try to co-op being told we’re bigots into we’re just like victims of the Nazis.”

409 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 22, 2014 2:32:49pm
410 Archangelus  Aug 22, 2014 2:35:52pm

re: #409 Pie-onist Overlord

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Was just making a page about it. Utterly horrific and heartbreaking…

411 nines09  Aug 22, 2014 2:36:01pm

re: #407 Charles Johnson

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Their “source” is a bag of broken stale nuts and they can’t admit that. If they quote or use anything Dim Jim lets drop from his drooling lips they might as well close shop. Progressives? Not in your wildest dreams.

412 A Mom Anon  Aug 22, 2014 2:36:18pm

re: #409 Pie-onist Overlord

Sigh. And for what? Hate accomplishes nothing but destruction, and more hate. Damn it.

413 alpuz  Aug 22, 2014 2:36:39pm

So ProgsToday is another Hoft grift? What a rabbit hole.

414 Charles Johnson  Aug 22, 2014 2:37:44pm
415 HappyWarrior  Aug 22, 2014 2:38:19pm

re: #412 A Mom Anon

Sigh. And for what? Hate accomplishes nothing but destruction, and more hate. Damn it.

It’s why I try not to hate. Dislike and get angry at? Sure but I really do try not to hate people. Poor little guy. Whole life ahead of him.

416 HappyWarrior  Aug 22, 2014 2:39:00pm

re: #414 Charles Johnson

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I’d like to thank you and everyone else who exposed Hoft’s lying bs.

417 Archangelus  Aug 22, 2014 2:39:11pm

re: #412 A Mom Anon

Sigh. And for what? Hate accomplishes nothing but destruction, and more hate. Damn it.

Sadly that’s exactly what terror groups such as Hamas feed off of. An actual peace or calm would simply not be in the leadership’s interests, as it would both go against everything they’ve always stated as part of their ultimate goals and “worse” from their perspective, it would present the populace more of an opportunity to deal with internal issues they definitely don’t want examined (such as the massive corruption taking place and more)…

418 dabertman  Aug 22, 2014 2:40:23pm

Why are the complaint numbers so out of sync???
This looks suspicious to me

419 Timothy Watson  Aug 22, 2014 2:40:41pm

re: #376 HappyWarrior

It’s about someone do this. James and the FRC are no different from the people who told Mildred and Richard Loving that their marriage shouldn’t be allowed because the Bible blah blah.

I don’t know if you’ve ever seen the Circuit Court ruling on the case, but the judge who convicted them actually said the following when they filed a motion to vacate the conviction:

Almighty God created the races white, black, yellow, malay and red, and he placed them on separate continents. And but for the interference with his arrangement there would be no cause for such marriages. The fact that he separated the races shows that he did not intend for the races to mix.

420 Dr Lizardo  Aug 22, 2014 2:41:18pm

re: #417 Archangelus

Sadly that’s exactly what terror groups such as Hamas feed off of. An actual peace or calm would simply not be in the leadership’s interests, as it would both go against everything they’ve always stated as part of their ultimate goals and “worse” from their perspective, it would present the populace more of an opportunity to deal with internal issues they definitely don’t want examined (such as the massive corruption taking place and more)…

Hamas has no interest in peace; if peace “broke out”, they’d be out of business and out of power in short order and they know it.

421 thedopefishlives  Aug 22, 2014 2:41:28pm

Evening Lizardim.

422 CuriousLurker  Aug 22, 2014 2:41:35pm

re: #390 Charles Johnson

It was added afterwards, and so was “file image.”

As someone mentioned up-thread, a “file image” (usually referred to as a “file photo”) is a photograph kept on file by periodicals. Even when the images aren’t theirs—i.e. not taken by a photographer or journalists in their employ—they will have usage rights, and, if necessary, give credit to the original photographer.

For example this photo of James Foley can be found on numerous news sites, but they all clearly state that not only is it a file photo, but that credit for it belongs to the original AP photographer, Steven Senne.

I didn’t see any credit given for the image of the x-ray Dim Jim used and, as you’ve already pointed out, the fact that they tried to conceal the original source (U of Iowa), IMO clearly indicates that not only did they intend to mislead, but they failed to give professional credit. Sleazy.

423 EPR-radar  Aug 22, 2014 2:41:57pm

re: #406 HappyWarrior

I don’t know. Maybe he’ll grow some integrity but it wouldn’t surprise me if he’s joining the chorus again once a new story takes over.

Time will tell. In a tip of the hat to the one RWNJ who is not completely insane about Ferguson, I’ll keep my estimation of the chance of lasting progress by EE toward improved humanity to myself.

424 HappyWarrior  Aug 22, 2014 2:42:02pm

re: #419 Timothy Watson

I don’t know if you’ve ever seen the Circuit Court ruling on the case, but the judge who convicted them actually said the following when they filed a motion to vacate the conviction:

Yes, yes I did see that. I saw the documentary on their case actually. I was actually talking with my grandmother about it and it turned out that my grandfather employed Richard while they lived in D.C. Never knew that in his lifetime. I’d say that was pretty admirable of him given the attitudes of the times.

425 HappyWarrior  Aug 22, 2014 2:43:15pm

re: #423 EPR-radar

Time will tell. In a tip of the hat to the one RWNJ who is not completely insane about Ferguson, I’ll keep my estimation of the chance of lasting progress by EE toward humanity to myself.

Oh believe me, I’m hopeful too, I just don’t want to get my hopes up. I mean we’re still talking about a man who has been among the loudest RWNJs justifying homophobia and sexism. It would be great if this was a watershed moment for him where he realizes that a lot of people in his ideology are total assholes.

426 alpuz  Aug 22, 2014 2:44:09pm

re: #416 HappyWarrior

I second this. Thanks, Charles. That’s some seriously exhausting work.

427 The War TARDIS  Aug 22, 2014 2:44:25pm

I just had a thought about Luhansk and Donetsk once the War ends.

What about all the Russians who live in the area? They just attempted to recreate the Sudetenland Crisis.

428 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 22, 2014 2:47:28pm

re: #422 CuriousLurker

As someone mentioned up-thread, a “file image” (usually referred to as a “file photo”) is a photograph kept on file by periodicals. Even when the images aren’t theirs—i.e. not taken by a photographer or journalists in their employ—they will give have usage rights, and, if necessary give credit to the original photographer.

For example this photo of James Foley can be found on numerous news sites, but they all clearly state that not only is it a file photo, but that credit for it belongs to the original AP photographer, Steven Senne.

I didn’t see any credit given for the image of the x-ray Dim Jim used and, as you’ve already pointed out, the fact that they tried to conceal the original source (U of Iowa), IMO clearly indicates that not only did they intend to mislead, but they failed to give professional credit. Sleazy.

Also, putting a link that only says “AAPOS” in parenthesis is not good enough for sourcing attribution.

429 Bulworth  Aug 22, 2014 2:48:52pm

re:
#419

And the Bible condones or at least accepted polygamy, slavery, slaughtering enemies, etc.

430 HappyWarrior  Aug 22, 2014 2:51:05pm

re: #429 Bulworth

re:
#419

And the Bible condones or at least accepted polygamy, slavery, slaughtering enemies, etc.

“Technically, we’re not even allowed to go to the bathroom, Marge.” Rev. Lovejoy or “I think I’m coveting my own wife.” Flanders. Really, there’s so much fault with using “Well the Bible forbids it as the basis for law.” I’d love to ask James how using the Bible to dictate law is any different from Shariah and why it’s okay to have Christian law but he wouldn’t get it because fundies like him don’t get that stuff. Ironically, it’s strong separation of church and state that has allowed Fundamentalist sects like the one he belongs to thrive.

431 BeenHereAwhile  Aug 22, 2014 2:51:06pm

re: #213 wrenchwench

Me, this morning:

‘I wish there was some way to prepare for the phone call where my stepmother wants me to convince my father that he has to stay in the nursing home and can’t go home.’

Mr. w:

‘Is your phone charged?’

He’s so practical. My phone is charged.

The year my father died at the age of 90, he called me from his 3rd nursing home and begged me to come take him home. This nursing home was a private house in the neighborhood with a live-in male RN as owner and manager, his wife and two teenagers, and just 4 other patients. I helped him move in, a nice well run place by a family who cared.

In the phone conversation, I had to tell my father that he had to stay in the nursing home because he kept refusing to allow nursing assistants to care for him at home. He was insistent his 85 year old retired RN wife, my mother, be his care taker. She had done it for 5 years, with a hospital bed on ground floor of their house, empty the foley bag, change the bed, and other such duties.

I would stay with him, so mom could travel from time to time. When I asked what decisions I should make if something critical happened while she was gone, she pointed to my father’s doctor’s order posted on the wall, “No extreme measures.” “Show that to the paramedics.”

He wasn’t afraid of dying. He would joke that if he died and went to hell, he would just talk about Bob Dole with the devil. “Probably see Bob Dole down there too.” He thought Bob Dole would see the humor in that as well.

I just had to explain to him that if he continued to stay at home, it would cause an earlier death of mom, and then he would die as well. So staying in the nursing home was best for both of them.

Don’t know what else to say that might help you.

432 Timothy Watson  Aug 22, 2014 2:51:16pm

re: #424 HappyWarrior

Yes, yes I did see that. I saw the documentary on their case actually. I was actually talking with my grandmother about it and it turned out that my grandfather employed Richard while they lived in D.C. Never knew that in his lifetime. I’d say that was pretty admirable of him given the attitudes of the times.

Wow, interesting.

I’m from Caroline County and continue to live here. The annoying thing is that the Sheriff who was “more than happy” to arrest the Lovings (as he was quoted onetime) ended up outliving both Richard and Mildred Loving.

433 Bulworth  Aug 22, 2014 2:53:25pm

re:
#430

I’d love to ask James how using the Bible to dictate law is any different from Shariah and why it’s okay to have Christian law

That’s completely different because shutup Reasons

434 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Aug 22, 2014 2:53:39pm

re: #429 Bulworth

and child marriage.

435 HappyWarrior  Aug 22, 2014 2:55:10pm

re: #432 Timothy Watson

Wow, interesting.

I’m from Caroline County and continue to live here. The annoying thing is that the Sheriff who was “more than happy” to arrest the Lovings (as he was quoted onetime) ended up outliving both Richard and Mildred Loving.

Yeah I was pretty amazed about that connection myself. Made me proud to be named after him knowing the stigma hiring a “negra lover” probably got. It’s just amazing to me that this case was decided only 20 years before I was born. And my little niece(see my avi) is the product of “race-mixing.”

436 Mattand  Aug 22, 2014 2:55:29pm

re: #407 Charles Johnson

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I’m guessing Progressives Today are ironically named?

437 thedopefishlives  Aug 22, 2014 2:56:03pm

Completely OT, but if the Ferguson news has you guys in the mood for total destruction, the following links might be for you:

Death by meteor

Death by nuclear bomb

438 alpuz  Aug 22, 2014 2:57:39pm

re: #436 Mattand

That or the site was set up to slam Progressives. If you hit their twitter page you can then go to their site. I wish I hadn’t given them the page views, but yea.. it’s Hoft.

Edit: And to grift RWNJ’s.

439 andres  Aug 22, 2014 2:57:52pm

I never knew invoking the 5th meant that the investigation does not proceeds.

Utterly sickening.

440 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Aug 22, 2014 2:58:25pm

re: #438 alpuz

That or the site was set up to slam Progressives. If you hit their twitter page you can then go to their site. I wish I hadn’t given them the page views, but yea.. it’s Hoft.

This is more than likely what it was setup for.

441 The War TARDIS  Aug 22, 2014 2:59:00pm

re: #437 thedopefishlives

Ooo, can I get the first on Moscow?!?!?

442 Dr Lizardo  Aug 22, 2014 2:59:54pm

re: #427 The War TARDIS

I just had a thought about Luhansk and Donetsk once the War ends.

What about all the Russians who live in the area? They just attempted to recreate the Sudetenland Crisis.

The Sudetenland Crisis didn’t work out too well for the Sudetendeutsche in the long run. After WWII, they got run out of the territory of Czechoslovakia (with a few exceptions) en masse via the Beneš Decrees.

443 allegro  Aug 22, 2014 3:01:37pm

re: #439 andres

I never knew invoking the 5th meant that the investigation does not proceeds.

Utterly sickening.

That’s what I’ve been trying to figure out. I get that the shooting cop doesn’t have to talk and incriminate himself (which in this case, I have no doubt that he surely would) but this certainly shouldn’t preclude the department from reporting on a homicide in its district regardless of who the shooter was.

But then, there’s another shooting victim who’s wondering why there’s no report, and no bullet, in Ferguson, too.

444 thedopefishlives  Aug 22, 2014 3:02:46pm

re: #441 The War TARDIS

Ooo, can I get the first on Moscow?!?!?

Geez. I nuked Detroit and half of Quebec was covered in radioactive fallout. Win-win?/////

445 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 22, 2014 3:03:48pm

re: #444 thedopefishlives

Geez. I nuked Detroit and half of Quebec was covered in radioactive fallout. Win-win?/////

No mohr pie for you!

446 klys  Aug 22, 2014 3:04:08pm

re: #445 Backwoods_Sleuth

No mohr pie for you!

I think we all lose there.

447 Mattand  Aug 22, 2014 3:04:51pm

re: #438 alpuz

re: #440 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

Wow.

It’s a sock puppet site for Jim Hoft???

I used to view the Stupidest Man on the Internet’s stupidity as just that: an unwillingness to address reality, despite any handicap other than his own lack of self-awareness.

Between that and the U of IA brain scans, it’s becoming clear that I’ve severely underestimated this man’s capacity for unconscionable, malicious deceit.

448 thedopefishlives  Aug 22, 2014 3:04:52pm

re: #445 Backwoods_Sleuth

No mohr pie for you!

Oh, crap.

re: #446 klys

I think we all lose there.

Yeah, I guess I should’ve thought about that. Man, I think the computer in War Games had it right.

449 KingKenrod  Aug 22, 2014 3:06:28pm

re: #443 allegro

That’s what I’ve been trying to figure out. I get that the shooting cop doesn’t have to talk and incriminate himself (which in this case, I have no doubt that he surely would) but this certainly shouldn’t preclude the department from reporting on a homicide in its district regardless of who the shooter was.

But then, there’s another shooting victim who’s wondering why there’s no report, and no bullet, in Ferguson, too.

I thought the Ferguson PD turned the investigation over to the county? So they probably don’t have to do anything except keep Wilson on paid leave until the county is done.

450 ObserverArt  Aug 22, 2014 3:07:44pm

re: #448 thedopefishlives

Oh, crap.

Yeah, I guess I should’ve thought about that. Man, I think the computer in War Games had it right.

Way to go!!!

Better look up for falling flipped desks.

451 Charles Johnson  Aug 22, 2014 3:09:07pm

re: #447 Mattand

Wow.

It’s a sock puppet site for Jim Hoft???

I used to view the Stupidest Man on the Internet’s stupidity as just that: an unwillingness to address reality, despite any handicap other than his own lack of self-awareness.

Between that and the U of IA brain scans, it’s becoming clear that I’ve severely underestimated this man’s capacity for unconscionable, malicious deceit.

No, actually, this is another moron named Andrew Marcus. I’ve actually met this clown, years ago at PJ Media, and he was just as dense then.

452 thedopefishlives  Aug 22, 2014 3:09:33pm

re: #450 ObserverArt

Way to go!!!

Better look up for falling flipped desks.

Let’s look on the bright side: I made it really, really easy for her to set them on fire.

453 lawhawk  Aug 22, 2014 3:10:02pm

Charles has been going after Hoft and a couple other nitwits for the last hour on Twitter.

No matter how many times Charles asks a very simple and direct question about the scans, Hoft and the others simply ignore it and/or divert attention.

It’s ridiculous, but bears repeating anyway. Hoft maliciously lied/smeared Brown by claiming that Wilson was seriously injured and that the scans he posted on the site were those of Wilson.

He can’t and wont answer how or why the image was edited (trying to smudge the Univ. of Iowa off the image).

Hoft can’t and wont answer why he would do so unless he was trying to make it appear that this was Wilson’s scan.

Hoft refuses to account for the CNN and WaPo reports that directly contradict his claims that Wilson has an orbital fracture - the prosecutor’s office claims they never got Wilson’s information, let alone a scan, and that there’s no evidence that Wilson ever had a fracture in the first place.

454 wrenchwench  Aug 22, 2014 3:10:51pm

re: #418 dabertman

Welcome, hatchling.

455 Kragar  Aug 22, 2014 3:12:19pm

re: #414 Charles Johnson

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IRRELEVANT!

456 Mattand  Aug 22, 2014 3:13:45pm

re: #451 Charles Johnson

No, actually, this is another moron named Andrew Marcus. I’ve actually met this clown, years ago at PJ Media, and he was just as dense then.

Yeesh. It’s starting to sound like the ‘Gateway’ in ‘Gateway Pundit’ is a Buffy-style Hellmouth entrance.

457 alpuz  Aug 22, 2014 3:14:59pm

re: #447 Mattand

From their site:

About
Jim Hoft, the founder and proprietor of The Gateway Pundit, and Kyle Olson, the founder eagnews.org have joined forces in a new online project “Progressives Today.”

Many Americans who consider themselves left of center have an antiquated sense of today’s Democrat party. This is not their father’s Democratic party. Democrats today are controlled by, and answer to, the most radical elements of their party. Yet, with cover generously provided by the mainstream media, progressives are able to push their influence in the shadows. And they have no shame.

Progressives Today follows and publicly exposes the radical elements of the institutional left. It will be the go to resource for all elements of the progressive movement through old school investigative journalism. We will cover their conferences with undercover reporters, we will interview their leaders, we will follow their writings, teachings, social media presence. Our goal is to finally hold the left accountable for their radical opinions, their destructive policies and their dangerous anti-American agenda.

One of the goals of PT, in addition to simply exposing progressives, is to expose their views to moderates and Democrats so that a choice must be made. It is our strong belief that, Progressives Today will cause many on the left to re-evaluate their political alliances.

progressivestoday.com

I wouldn’t give them the clicks, but it’s up to you.

458 lawhawk  Aug 22, 2014 3:16:09pm

re: #371 urbanmeemaw

That’s the kind of consent decree I’ve been mentioning as being one possible outcome of the federal investigation into what happened in Ferguson.

Possible outcomes include consent decrees with Ferguson, including the Ferguson PD, St. Louis County, St. Louis County Police, and other agencies and municipalities in the Greater St Louis area whose police responded to the protests and whose officers engaged in improper conduct.

It’s most likely that consent decrees will be what happens from the DOJ suit - primarily for Ferguson and the Ferguson PD. It may extend to the county police as well.

459 wrenchwench  Aug 22, 2014 3:17:08pm

re: #431 BeenHereAwhile

Thanks. One of my worries is I will seem to have him convinced and resigned to it, then the next day he won’t remember.

Any reminder that he and I are not the first down this road is helpful.

460 jaunte  Aug 22, 2014 3:17:13pm

re: #457 alpuz

It is our strong belief that, Progressives Today will cause many on the left to re-evaluate their political alliances.

Hehe.

461 Mattand  Aug 22, 2014 3:18:05pm

re: #457 alpuz

From their site:

progressivestoday.com

I wouldn’t give them the clicks, butit’s up to you.

I jumped over there for a quick looky-loo. Once I saw Jim Hoft’s paw prints, I bailed.

Gotta love that mission statement, though. “Democrats today are controlled by, and answer to, the most radical elements of their party. “

Project much?

462 Justanotherhuman  Aug 22, 2014 3:18:36pm

Michael Brown in Ferguson, then Kajieme Powell, 4 mi from Ferguson.

Why are police executing Black men in Missouri?

Are these men symbols of someone else, as well as victims of an overweening hatred some have for them?

I’d bet my next old age check that if a study was done comparing rates of these incidents every year since 2008, there would be a very distinct increase in their number every year, especially among Black victims of police violence.

463 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 22, 2014 3:19:01pm

re: #418 dabertman

Why are the complaint numbers so out of sync???
This looks suspicious to me

Two different jurisdictions.

464 wrenchwench  Aug 22, 2014 3:20:55pm

re: #457 alpuz

From their site:

progressivestoday.com

I wouldn’t give them the clicks, butit’s up to you.

More properly called Projectionists Today.

Democrats today are controlled by, and answer to, the most radical elements of their party.

465 jaunte  Aug 22, 2014 3:21:19pm

The same St. Louis police officer who was seen on CNN earlier this week pushing Don Lemon back during a live broadcast from Ferguson, Missouri, has been relieved of his duty after video emerged of an hour-long speech he delivered railing against African-Americans, the LGBT community and President Barack Obama. CNN reported the news about Officer Dan Page, who made the controversial remarks at an Oath Keepers meeting just months ago.
mediaite.com

466 wrenchwench  Aug 22, 2014 3:21:28pm

re: #461 Mattand

I jumped over there for a quick looky-loo. Once I saw Jim Hoft’s paw prints, I bailed.

Gotta love that mission statement, though. “Democrats today are controlled by, and answer to, the most radical elements of their party. “

Project much?

Dammit!

467 CuriousLurker  Aug 22, 2014 3:21:41pm

re: #428 Backwoods_Sleuth

Also, putting a link that only says “AAPOS” in parenthesis is not good enough for sourcing attribution.

Exactly. I’m sure the AAPOS has permission to use the image, but simply linking to them isn’t attribution, nor does it relieve you of the responsibility to get permission. There’s “fair use”, but I hardly think this qualifies.

These people aren’t only sleazy, they’re also sloppy in their rush to push their propaganda. I hope it catches up with them one day.

468 Justanotherhuman  Aug 22, 2014 3:22:18pm

Racist “militia” men at the Bundy ranch trained loaded guns on Federal officers.

No one shot them.

469 Justanotherhuman  Aug 22, 2014 3:23:24pm

re: #465 jaunte

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Wonder if he (the cop) was at the Bundy ranch.

Inquiring minds, etc.

470 ObserverArt  Aug 22, 2014 3:23:29pm

re: #457 alpuz

From their site:

progressivestoday.com

I wouldn’t give them the clicks, butit’s up to you.

What a pile of bull that all is.

I was wondering what they meant by using progressive in their name after reading a bit more about them here as Charles links some of their stuff.

I guess they’re trolling for centrists. Oh wait, most centrists already vote Democrat most likely as many know Big Bill Clinton and Barack Obama have been more moderate Republican than far left liberal Dem.

And that bit about your fathers party. I wonder if they consider that many Republicans are forced to look for anything resembling the Republican party of not all that long ago.

Amazing. A political site that seems to be very unaware of current politics. Never look at those polls I guess.

471 HappyWarrior  Aug 22, 2014 3:23:30pm

re: #465 jaunte

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Christ.

472 jaunte  Aug 22, 2014 3:24:03pm

re: #469 Justanotherhuman

There were probably people there who thought of themselves as “OathKeepers”

473 ausador  Aug 22, 2014 3:25:53pm

Serious journalism here folks. /

474 Interesting Times  Aug 22, 2014 3:25:57pm

re: #462 Justanotherhuman

Why are police executing Black men in Missouri?

Are these men symbols of someone else, as well as victims of an overweening hatred some have for them?

Holy crap. You’re right. Much easier to murder someone who doesn’t have Secret Service protection.

475 CuriousLurker  Aug 22, 2014 3:26:29pm

Okay, this thread is getting too long & heavy for my iPad’s browsers and they’re wiggling out, so I’m gonna bounce on outta here for now.

Later, lizards.

476 Mattand  Aug 22, 2014 3:26:43pm

re: #473 ausador

Serious journalism here folks. /

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Because 66 would be irresponsible speculation.

477 jaunte  Aug 22, 2014 3:26:46pm
478 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 22, 2014 3:28:26pm

re: #467 CuriousLurker

Exactly. I’m sure the AAPOS has permission to use the image, but simply linking to them isn’t attribution, nor does it relieve you of the responsibility to get permission. There’s “fair use”, but I hardly think this qualifies.

These people aren’t only sleazy, they’re also sloppy in their rush to push their propaganda. I hope it catches up with them one day.

Absolutely!
The image did not originate at AAPOS, it’s from a University of Iowa study and textbook (I think it was Kragar or Lawhawk who found that link when we first started discussing this a few days ago; I remember klys was the first to find the AAPOS link).

479 jonhendry  Aug 22, 2014 3:29:02pm

re: #201 Decatur Deb

“If you find yourself outside the bubble, you want a just system. You can’t be white enough or rich enough to rest on ‘privilege’. Ask Patty Hearst.”

Hearst did okay, for a domestic terrorist (with an asterisk, perhaps). Ask John Walker Lindh if he expects his sentence to be commuted any time soon.

480 Charles Johnson  Aug 22, 2014 3:29:37pm

Wow. This is just un-fucking-real, folks.

481 klys  Aug 22, 2014 3:30:06pm

re: #478 Backwoods_Sleuth

Absolutely!
The image did not originate at AAPOS, it’s from a University of Iowa study and textbook (I think it was Kragar or Lawhawk who found that link when we first started discussing this a few days ago; I remember klys was the first to find the AAPOS link).

I suspect SMOTI sourced it from AAPOS just from the Fig. 2 in the bottom left, but yeah.

482 jaunte  Aug 22, 2014 3:30:35pm

Something is rotten in Missouri

483 thedopefishlives  Aug 22, 2014 3:30:55pm

re: #480 Charles Johnson

Last week, I asked if the Ferguson PD was poaching the worst police officers from the surrounding departments.

I was wrong.

They appear to be poaching the WORST HUMAN BEINGS from the entire COUNTRY.

484 Gus  Aug 22, 2014 3:30:59pm
485 jaunte  Aug 22, 2014 3:31:06pm
486 Charles Johnson  Aug 22, 2014 3:33:36pm
487 Stanley Sea  Aug 22, 2014 3:33:45pm

Well, in a flash of good news

488 klys  Aug 22, 2014 3:33:48pm

Lots of hatchlings registering over the past few days.

Don’t be afraid to say hi, folks.

Hah.

489 klys  Aug 22, 2014 3:34:27pm

re: #486 Charles Johnson

I believe Darren Wilson attended high school in St. Charles, MO.

490 thedopefishlives  Aug 22, 2014 3:35:26pm

re: #488 klys

Lots of hatchlings registering over the past few days.

Don’t be afraid to say hi, folks.

Hah.

We don’t bite. Hard.

And the troll barbecue is really nice this time of the evening.

491 Dr Lizardo  Aug 22, 2014 3:35:36pm

re: #480 Charles Johnson

Wow. This is just un-fucking-real, folks.

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Sgt. Major Page there has no business being a cop - none whatsoever. If he wants to be the owner of a small franchise restaurant, that’s one thing; but not an officer of the law with a badge and a gun.

No way, no how. He is not fit to serve and protect the community.

Any community.

And with that, goodnight, Lizards.

492 klys  Aug 22, 2014 3:36:23pm

re: #490 thedopefishlives

We don’t bite. Hard.

And the troll barbecue is really nice this time of the evening.

Oh man the caffeine has worn off and I shouldn’t have anymore and ugh why does staying up until 4am ever seem like a good idea?

493 jaunte  Aug 22, 2014 3:36:36pm

re: #480 Charles Johnson

Dan Page is insane.

494 dog philosopher  Aug 22, 2014 3:36:39pm

meanwhile…

Conservatives and Republicans have long griped that late-night hosts are by and large liberal

if that’s what’s on your mind then please don’t ask me again what “all those black folks are doing rioting”

495 thedopefishlives  Aug 22, 2014 3:36:56pm

re: #492 klys

Oh man the caffeine has worn off and I shouldn’t have anymore and ugh why does staying up until 4am ever seem like a good idea?

I’ll be asking myself that question on launch day in November. I took a 4-day weekend to play.

496 klys  Aug 22, 2014 3:37:45pm

re: #495 thedopefishlives

I’ll be asking myself that question on launch day in November. I took a 4-day weekend to play.

Haha, we should exchange battletags at some point.

497 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Aug 22, 2014 3:38:30pm

re: #437 thedopefishlives

Completely OT, but if the Ferguson news has you guys in the mood for total destruction, the following links might be for you:

Death by meteor

Death by nuclear bomb

I just nuked my hometown, no regrets.

498 Stanley Sea  Aug 22, 2014 3:38:49pm

Just got home from work, I’m checking time stamps but hope I’m not repeating what ya’ll already know.

499 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Aug 22, 2014 3:39:04pm

re: #495 thedopefishlives

I’ll be asking myself that question on launch day in November. I took a 4-day weekend to play.

Launch day for what?

500 klys  Aug 22, 2014 3:39:52pm

re: #499 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

Launch day for what?

Those of us still silly enough to play World of Warcraft.

501 thedopefishlives  Aug 22, 2014 3:39:58pm

re: #496 klys

Haha, we should exchange battletags at some point.

Abso-freakin’-lutely.

re: #499 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

Launch day for what?

The new World of Warcraft expansion. Mrs. Fish and I both play. I’ve taken the launch days for the last 2 expansions off.

502 klys  Aug 22, 2014 3:41:05pm

re: #501 thedopefishlives

Abso-freakin’-lutely.

The new World of Warcraft expansion. Mrs. Fish and I both play. I’ve taken the launch days for the last 2 expansions off.

Upding when you copy down the name and I can edit it out.

503 Justanotherhuman  Aug 22, 2014 3:41:15pm

This is Dan Page:

951-Riverside provided this time line of the video’s lowlights:

1:07: Talks about all men being created equal then went on to say “That does not mean affirmative action”.
1:26: Rants about hate crime laws

3:22: Black (little?) Perverts

5:25: Talks about doing a fair share of killing

15:40: Calls supreme court justice a homosexual sodomite.

18:30 “If I die I go to heaven… I died a long time ago”

20:30: Talks about St. Louis County schools

26:40: Calls President Obama an illegal alien

27:00: We can kill you anyway we want

31:38: Goes on anti-muslim rant

37:00: Talks about being a Saint Louis County Cop

43:00: Talk about killing people again

46:41: Goes on rant over being briefed about the 9/11 attacks on Aug 1st 1999 then says 9/11 happened 30 days later also talks about no weapons of mass destruction being found in Afghanistan.

49:22: Continues rant about having secret clearance at Fort (Leavenworth?) and training with Russian spetsnaz

52:40: Says people involved in domestic violence should “just shoot each other and get it over with”.

53:15: Somebody like me is going to come in and kill you

56:20: I don’t trust nobody and I hate everybody. I hate y’all too I hate everybody. I’m into diversity. I kill everybody.

58:02: Audience member: So what happens when good men like you are retiring from the military. What kind of military do we have left then?

58:15: Sodomites and females. End of statement.

1:01:00: Rants about female green beret

1:03:00 He’s handed an oathkeeper patch

alan.com

504 Stanley Sea  Aug 22, 2014 3:41:24pm
505 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Aug 22, 2014 3:42:09pm

re: #501 thedopefishlives

re: #500 klys

I play Diablo III on occasion but could never really get into WoW. I played a LOT of Age of Conan and liked The Secret World (you start out in a recreation of Innsmouth straight out of HPL). Also liked ESO but again, was playing World Of Tanks too much to get into it.

I heard they are making a Transformers MMO which I will most likely try out.

506 Skip Intro  Aug 22, 2014 3:42:17pm

re: #504 Stanley Sea

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Next stop: Hannity.

507 klys  Aug 22, 2014 3:42:58pm

re: #505 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

I play Diablo III on occasion but could never really get into WoW. I played a LOT of Age of Conan and liked The Secret World (you start out in a recreation of Innsmouth straight out of HPL). Also liked ESO but again, was playing World Of Tanks too much to get into it.

I heard they are making a Transformers MMO which I will most likely try out.

I roll in and out of D3 as I feel like it.

I don’t play WoW as much as I used to but I’m not sure I’ll ever be able to quit. Met my husband in-game.

508 Gus  Aug 22, 2014 3:43:06pm
509 thedopefishlives  Aug 22, 2014 3:43:27pm

re: #504 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

I play Diablo III on occasion but could never really get into WoW. I played a LOT of Age of Conan and liked The Secret World (you start out in a recreation of Innsmouth straight out of HPL). Also liked ESO but again, was playing World Of Tanks too much to get into it.

I heard they are making a Transformers MMO which I will most likely try out.

I was a Warcraft III player in college - big into real-time strategy. When WoW came out, it was my first real RPG experience. I’ve been hooked for a long time, and I’m all-in for at least one more expansion pack.

510 thedopefishlives  Aug 22, 2014 3:45:36pm

re: #507 klys

I roll in and out of D3 as I feel like it.

I don’t play WoW as much as I used to but I’m not sure I’ll ever be able to quit. Met my husband in-game.

My wife likes to write in her spare time. She and I talked a lot about writing character stories for our main toons. I actually started this week.

511 Mattand  Aug 22, 2014 3:46:01pm

re: #488 klys

Lots of hatchlings registering over the past few days.

Don’t be afraid to say hi, folks.

Hah.

Tell ‘em to get off of my lawn.

Friggin’ freshly hatched egg shells everywhere…

512 Stanley Sea  Aug 22, 2014 3:46:10pm

re: #506 Skip Intro

Next stop: Hannity.

The customer, not the bar owner. I feel bad for him, he got shat on bad.

513 klys  Aug 22, 2014 3:46:32pm

re: #510 thedopefishlives

My wife likes to write in her spare time. She and I talked a lot about writing character stories for our main toons. I actually started this week.

I am hoping to do NaNoWriMo this year. And have no idea what to write.

I have like 2 months to figure it out though.

514 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 22, 2014 3:46:51pm

re: #498 Stanley Sea

Just got home from work, I’m checking time stamps but hope I’m not repeating what ya’ll already know.

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well…that’s certainly interesting reading.

515 lawhawk  Aug 22, 2014 3:47:27pm

re: #478 Backwoods_Sleuth

I think Kragar found the earlier link, but the image was definitely taken from the AAPOS site due to the inclusion of the “Fig. 2” on the lower left corner.

516 Mattand  Aug 22, 2014 3:48:10pm

re: #505 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

I play Diablo III on occasion but could never really get into WoW. I played a LOT of Age of Conan and liked The Secret World (you start out in a recreation of Innsmouth straight out of HPL). Also liked ESO but again, was playing World Of Tanks too much to get into it.

I heard they are making a Transformers MMO which I will most likely try out.

I keep meaning to try WoW, but I’m really worried about the time sink aspect of it. Is it something you can play solo, or do you need other people?

Can you drop into a mission like in Team Fortress or Left 4 Dead?

517 HappyWarrior  Aug 22, 2014 3:48:26pm

re: #512 Stanley Sea

The customer, not the bar owner. I feel bad for him, he got shat on bad.

Customer will probably be on with Mark Fuhrman to discuss how Eric Holder is a real racist.

518 Kragar  Aug 22, 2014 3:48:47pm

re: #478 Backwoods_Sleuth

Absolutely!
The image did not originate at AAPOS, it’s from a University of Iowa study and textbook (I think it was Kragar or Lawhawk who found that link when we first started discussing this a few days ago; I remember klys was the first to find the AAPOS link).

I took the image and did an Google Image search and found other sources that way, finding the picture first appeared online in 2007

519 Maddies Mom  Aug 22, 2014 3:49:14pm

re: #309 FemNaziBitch

BTW Welcome Hatchling.

Nice to have another dog lover here.

I’m a super dog lover too! Well, not just super dogs, all dogs…

520 HappyWarrior  Aug 22, 2014 3:49:27pm

re: #503 Justanotherhuman

This is Dan Page:

951-Riverside provided this time line of the video’s lowlights:

1:07: Talks about all men being created equal then went on to say “That does not mean affirmative action”.
1:26: Rants about hate crime laws

3:22: Black (little?) Perverts

5:25: Talks about doing a fair share of killing

15:40: Calls supreme court justice a homosexual sodomite.

18:30 “If I die I go to heaven… I died a long time ago”

20:30: Talks about St. Louis County schools

26:40: Calls President Obama an illegal alien

27:00: We can kill you anyway we want

31:38: Goes on anti-muslim rant

37:00: Talks about being a Saint Louis County Cop

43:00: Talk about killing people again

46:41: Goes on rant over being briefed about the 9/11 attacks on Aug 1st 1999 then says 9/11 happened 30 days later also talks about no weapons of mass destruction being found in Afghanistan.

49:22: Continues rant about having secret clearance at Fort (Leavenworth?) and training with Russian spetsnaz

52:40: Says people involved in domestic violence should “just shoot each other and get it over with”.

53:15: Somebody like me is going to come in and kill you

56:20: I don’t trust nobody and I hate everybody. I hate y’all too I hate everybody. I’m into diversity. I kill everybody.

58:02: Audience member: So what happens when good men like you are retiring from the military. What kind of military do we have left then?

58:15: Sodomites and females. End of statement.

1:01:00: Rants about female green beret

1:03:00 He’s handed an oathkeeper patch

alan.com

i don’t know we’d do it but I really do not want people like this on our police forces.

521 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 22, 2014 3:49:35pm

re: #508 Gus

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“Banned for life” so they’re starting their own stalker blog.

522 thedopefishlives  Aug 22, 2014 3:49:52pm

re: #516 Mattand

I keep meaning to try WoW, but I’m really worried about the time sink aspect of it. Is it something you can play solo, or do you need other people?

Can you drop into a mission like in Team Fortress or Left 4 Dead?

It’s a social game, but the game makes it really easy to find groups of people to run with. You can hop online, get into a group, run an instance in a half hour or so, and be done.

523 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 22, 2014 3:50:45pm

re: #515 lawhawk

I think Kragar found the earlier link, but the image was definitely taken from the AAPOS site due to the inclusion of the “Fig. 2” on the lower left corner.

yes, the point I was making is that AAPOS wasn’t even the original site. Hoft was just that lazy to snap up the first thing he found on the internet.

524 klys  Aug 22, 2014 3:51:13pm

re: #516 Mattand

I keep meaning to try WoW, but I’m really worried about the time sink aspect of it. Is it something you can play solo, or do you need other people?

Can you drop into a mission like in Team Fortress or Left 4 Dead?

They’ve done a lot to make the group aspect …less intrusive? You can queue up for a dungeon and run it with other people without ever saying a word to anyone.

I admit I typically don’t run a lot of group stuff anymore (I do a lot of the Pokemon sub-game) but part of that is a lot of the folks I played with have drifted on to other things.

I haven’t played TF or L4D so I can’t compare but you can typically do something for like 15-20 minutes if that’s all you want to at max level.

525 lawhawk  Aug 22, 2014 3:51:49pm

re: #508 Gus

I was right by there the week before Brown was shot. It’s a bar on Main Street in historic St. Charles, and the parking lot out back fronts a park and the Missouri River. Nice area, and it totally sucks that one of his now former customers did that and he’s catching grief for it.

So much suck in that.

526 Mattand  Aug 22, 2014 3:52:09pm

re: #517 HappyWarrior

Customer will probably be on with Mark Fuhrman to discuss how Eric Holder is a real racist.

I might get to deal with that at a BBQ tomorrow. Guys’s a federal prison employee and is involved with a longtime friend. Thinks Eric Holder is Teh Evil and that Obama is equally responsible for the shutdown.

When he’s not making barely veiled homophobic and racist comments, that is.

Likes to start shit with people, too. An impromptu “Mike Brown was a thug” rally is not out of the question.

527 HappyWarrior  Aug 22, 2014 3:52:42pm

re: #526 Mattand

I might get to deal with that at a BBQ tomorrow. Guys’s af ederal prison employee and is involved with a longtime friend. Thinks Eric Holder is Teh Evil and that Obama is equally responsible for the shutdown.

When he’s not making barely veiled homophobic and racist comments, that is.

Likes to start shit with people, too. An impromptu “Mike Brown was a thug” rally is not out of the question.

Agh my sympathies.

528 Justanotherhuman  Aug 22, 2014 3:53:42pm

Later, Lizards!

529 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Aug 22, 2014 3:54:53pm

re: #507 klys

re: #509 thedopefishlives

I liked the old Warhammer 40k DoW RTS games. Warcraft was alright (preferred Starcraft) I just couldn’t get into WoW. I tried playing as part of the Horde (Undead) and just couldn’t wrap my mind around working with the alliance (especially after playing warcraft) and I wasn’t a huge fan of the “click and watch” combat.

One of the reasons I got hooked on Age of Conan was that each combo required different button combos to fully execute which made it more interactive and combat was real time (as in if you clicked to swing your weapon you swung it) vs. click on X target and auto-attack kicks in.

530 Skip Intro  Aug 22, 2014 3:55:00pm

re: #512 Stanley Sea

The customer, not the bar owner. I feel bad for him, he got shat on bad.

Yes, the customer. He and Hannity will moan over his lost 1st Amendment rights under Obama.

531 7-y (Expectation of Great Things in Due Course)  Aug 22, 2014 4:00:39pm

Comment on one my Facebook threads from an avid gun carrier who thinks he understands well when he can and can’t shoot someone:

“The gun laws and the other persons’ actions makes me judge jury and executioner.”

532 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Aug 22, 2014 4:00:39pm

Hmmmm looking at the map for Nuke map and looking at the creek I used to fish for trout, it apparently empties into a pond I cannot recall ever seeing and I am sure I fished that stretch of the creek at least once…

533 BeachDem  Aug 22, 2014 4:00:46pm

re: #512 Stanley Sea

The customer, not the bar owner. I feel bad for him, he got shat on bad.

Yep—people are already crapping all over the facebook page.

534 Gus  Aug 22, 2014 4:01:27pm
535 ausador  Aug 22, 2014 4:01:49pm

re: #530 Skip Intro

Yes, the customer. He and Hannity will moan over his lost 1st Amendment rights under Obama.

This conflation of the 1st amendment to private parties/corporations is bullshit. The first says government shall not abridge your free speech, doesn’t say anything about anyone else telling you to STFU!

536 Stanley Sea  Aug 22, 2014 4:01:59pm

re: #526 Mattand

I might get to deal with that at a BBQ tomorrow. Guys’s a federal prison employee and is involved with a longtime friend. Thinks Eric Holder is Teh Evil and that Obama is equally responsible for the shutdown.

When he’s not making barely veiled homophobic and racist comments, that is.

Likes to start shit with people, too. An impromptu “Mike Brown was a thug” rally is not out of the question.

I had an incident with a person at work recently. They tried to describe a bad situation with a person in racist terms. I had to attempt education on the spot that some people are just assholes, DUH, and you putting a racist tinge to it only makes assholeness perpetuate.

537 Gus  Aug 22, 2014 4:02:37pm

How about those Oath Keepers! //

538 Charles Johnson  Aug 22, 2014 4:02:49pm

See the update above: the ACLU screwed up and left out several pages of the Ferguson incident report.

539 Skip Intro  Aug 22, 2014 4:03:10pm

re: #535 ausador

Yeah, like that’s ever stopped them before.

540 dog philosopher  Aug 22, 2014 4:03:17pm

re: #537 Gus

How about those Oath Keepers! //

they like to sow their wild oaths

541 Stanley Sea  Aug 22, 2014 4:03:33pm

re: #531 7-y (Expectation of Great Things in Due Course)

Comment on one my Facebook threads from an avid gun carrier who thinks he understands well when he can and can’t shoot someone:

Lovely. People like him are assisting in the cop riot gear procurement.

542 Sionainn  Aug 22, 2014 4:05:46pm

re: #538 Charles Johnson

See the update above: the ACLU screwed up and left out several pages of the Ferguson incident report.

Those extra pages don’t really provide any more information than a blank sheet of paper.

543 wrenchwench  Aug 22, 2014 4:05:49pm

re: #480 Charles Johnson

Wow. This is just un-fucking-real, folks.

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If he’s a Vietnam veteran who retired from the military in 2012, and we assume he was in for 40 years, he was in the military for ONE YEAR of the Vietnam war. What’s the benefit of identifying your whole term of service by that?

Wingnut appeal, I suppose. Strange how the image of ‘Vietnam Vet’ has been all over the place.

544 Targetpractice  Aug 22, 2014 4:06:22pm

re: #538 Charles Johnson

See the update above: the ACLU screwed up and left out several pages of the Ferguson incident report.

Props on the ACLU and you correcting the mistake, but it doesn’t really change that the FPD filed what is effectively a blank report.

545 Maddies Mom  Aug 22, 2014 4:06:43pm

re: #537 Gus

How about those Oath Keepers! //

They seem….nice?

546 Gus  Aug 22, 2014 4:08:32pm

Well, we certainly do a better job of fact checking and updating than Hoft and company.

547 b.d.  Aug 22, 2014 4:08:50pm

Smooth move ACLU. How could you leave out 3 pages on a 5 page report? Nobody noticed for hours? Did y’all post and then go out for a long lunch without your cell phones?

Pitiful.

On a related note, I just got here are the wingnuts, for the 1st time ever, cheering the use of the 5th Amendment by someone?

548 wrenchwench  Aug 22, 2014 4:09:28pm

Random YouTube comment:

Barack Obama is the Stern-faced King in Daniel and is later referred to in Revelation as Death, the 4th horseman as Bible codes confirm. He is the last U.S president and will bring a holocaust to America before the next election (through an economic collapse and martial law).

I’ll start getting my things in order.

549 Targetpractice  Aug 22, 2014 4:09:53pm

re: #547 b.d.

Smooth move ACLU. How could you leave out 3 pages on a 5 page report? Nobody noticed for hours? Did y’all post and then go out for a long lunch without your cell phones?

Pitiful.

On a related note, I just got here are the wingnuts, for the 1st time ever, cheering the use of the 5th Amendment by someone?

That’s is a good question. How many of those who’ve wanted Lois Lerner jailed for exercising the 5th will champion Wilson for invoking it within hours of shooting an unarmed teen?

550 klys  Aug 22, 2014 4:10:04pm

re: #546 Gus

Well, we certainly do a better job of fact checking and updating than Hoft and company.

I would say thank you but it’s not like that’s a high bar to clear.

551 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 22, 2014 4:10:14pm

Well FUCK.

My dishwasher is busted. The door latch won’t open, it is stuck shut.

Fortunately it’s empty.

Appliance service says they can come in a week. Well OK, they are taking care of other people who were fucked by the flood we had here last week. I mean I can live without a dishwasher.

My fridge is on its last legs, but I’ve been saving for a new one. Not ready to replace the dishwasher.

552 Stanley Sea  Aug 22, 2014 4:10:40pm

Where are the “Notes Added”

553 thedopefishlives  Aug 22, 2014 4:10:53pm

re: #551 Pie-onist Overlord

Well FUCK.

My dishwasher is busted. The door latch won’t open, it is stuck shut.

Fortunately it’s empty.

Appliance service says they can come in a week. Well OK, they are taking care of other people who were fucked by the flood we had here last week. I mean I can live without a dishwasher.

My fridge is on its last legs, but I’ve been saving for a new one. Not ready to replace the dishwasher.

Nuke it. I’ve already taken the liberty of doing the calculations to show what kind of damage would be done.

554 thedopefishlives  Aug 22, 2014 4:11:13pm

re: #552 Stanley Sea

Where are the “Notes Added”

More ominous to me is the “Notes Edited” bit. I wonder what got edited?

555 Kragar  Aug 22, 2014 4:11:23pm

re: #538 Charles Johnson

See the update above: the ACLU screwed up and left out several pages of the Ferguson incident report.

Well, those pages certainly clear everything up.
///

556 Stanley Sea  Aug 22, 2014 4:11:49pm

re: #547 b.d.

Smooth move ACLU. How could you leave out 3 pages on a 5 page report? Nobody noticed for hours? Did y’all post and then go out for a long lunch without your cell phones?

Pitiful.

On a related note, I just got here are the wingnuts, for the 1st time ever, cheering the use of the 5th Amendment by someone?

Did you notice the quality of their scan? They probably have a negative budget.

557 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 22, 2014 4:11:55pm

re: #553 thedopefishlives

Nuke it. I’ve already taken the liberty of doing the calculations to show what kind of damage would be done.

New dishwasher cost over $500

558 klys  Aug 22, 2014 4:12:04pm

re: #551 Pie-onist Overlord

Well FUCK.

My dishwasher is busted. The door latch won’t open, it is stuck shut.

Fortunately it’s empty.

Appliance service says they can come in a week. Well OK, they are taking care of other people who were fucked by the flood we had here last week. I mean I can live without a dishwasher.

My fridge is on its last legs, but I’ve been saving for a new one. Not ready to replace the dishwasher.

What brand, is it the door for the soap or the whole dishwasher? (I’m guessing whole dishwasher but just want to be sure.)

Just worth checking to see if there’s a simple fix online, sometimes.

559 thedopefishlives  Aug 22, 2014 4:13:16pm

re: #557 Pie-onist Overlord

New dishwasher cost over $500

Sorry. It was a joke from upthread. I’m sorry about the dishwasher (I know how expensive they are, I did have to replace mine earlier this year) and I hope everything works out for you.

560 b.d.  Aug 22, 2014 4:13:19pm

re: #557 Pie-onist Overlord

New dishwasher cost over $500

Didn’t you post a picture of your future dishwasher last week, I believe he was making some soup?

561 klys  Aug 22, 2014 4:13:21pm

re: #558 klys

What brand, is it the door for the soap or the whole dishwasher? (I’m guessing whole dishwasher but just want to be sure.)

Just worth checking to see if there’s a simple fix online, sometimes.

The source for this is that I very nearly had to call a repair guy because the soap door wasn’t dispensing when it turns out we were just being idiots and had something tall blocking it and who knew that when I moved that it worked again.

And yes, I needed Google to point this possibility out to me.

562 BeachDem  Aug 22, 2014 4:14:47pm

As we peruse the somewhat “scant” account from the FPD, from Charles P. Pierce:

I keep coming back to what seems to me to be the most inhumane thing of all, the inhumane thing that happened before the rage began to rise, and before the backlash began to build, and before the cameras and television lights, and before the tear gas and the stun grenades and the chants and the prayers. I keep coming back to the one image that was there before the international event began, before it became a television show and a symbol in flames and something beyond what it was in the first place. I keep coming back to one simple moment, one ghastly fact. One image, from which all the other images have flowed.

They left the body in the street.

Dictators leave bodies in the street.

Petty local satraps leave bodies in the street.

Warlords leave bodies in the street.

A police officer shot Michael Brown to death. And they left his body in the street. For four hours.

esquire.com

563 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 22, 2014 4:15:28pm

re: #554 thedopefishlives

More ominous to me is the “Notes Edited” bit. I wonder what got edited?

For one, they changed the incident category at least three times:

564 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 22, 2014 4:15:59pm

re: #558 klys

What brand, is it the door for the soap or the whole dishwasher? (I’m guessing whole dishwasher but just want to be sure.)

Just worth checking to see if there’s a simple fix online, sometimes.

It’s the door latch, not the soap well. The whole thing is locked shut. I had a soap-gummed-up fail with a GE dishwasher but this is a KitchenAid. It’s 10 years old.

565 alpuz  Aug 22, 2014 4:16:05pm

re: #548 wrenchwench

Yeah. That was the comment that had me closing the window.

566 wrenchwench  Aug 22, 2014 4:17:19pm

re: #565 alpuz

Yeah. That was the comment that had me closing the window.

Did you get further than 27 seconds into the video?

567 klys  Aug 22, 2014 4:18:12pm

re: #564 Pie-onist Overlord

It’s the door latch, not the soap well. The whole thing is locked shut. I had a soap-gummed-up fail with a GE dishwasher but this is a KitchenAid. It’s 10 years old.

Youtube Video

There might also be some helpful info here.

568 lawhawk  Aug 22, 2014 4:18:24pm

re: #538 Charles Johnson

See the update above: the ACLU screwed up and left out several pages of the Ferguson incident report.

Sucks that the left out the pages that the FPD previously released. Because that’s what the missing pages are.

The pages they left out are identical to the pages included in the original document dump by the FPD here.

The missing pages are pages 17, 18 and 19 of original document dump.

569 alpuz  Aug 22, 2014 4:18:30pm

re: #566 wrenchwench

31?

570 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 22, 2014 4:20:02pm

re: #564 Pie-onist Overlord

It’s the door latch, not the soap well. The whole thing is locked shut. I had a soap-gummed-up fail with a GE dishwasher but this is a KitchenAid. It’s 10 years old.

hey, here’s somebody who also had a 10-year-old KitchenAid dishwasher where the door wouldn’t open. There’s a suggestion for a fix:
shopyourway.com

571 wrenchwench  Aug 22, 2014 4:20:59pm

re: #569 alpuz

31?

Here we are, commenting on things we don’t read, videos we don’t watch, we’re dethpicable!

/sylvester slobber off

572 alpuz  Aug 22, 2014 4:24:14pm

re: #571 wrenchwench

Youtube Video

573 ausador  Aug 22, 2014 4:24:14pm

re: #497 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

I just nuked my hometown, no regrets.

1500 mile diameter iron asteroid traveling at 72Kms at a 45 degree impact angle…

The Earth is strongly disturbed by the impact, but loses little mass.
87.38 percent of the Earth is melted
Depending on the direction and location the collision, the impact may make a very small change in the tilt of Earth’s axis (< half a degree).
Depending on the direction and location of impact, the collision may cause a change in the length of the day of up to 65.1 hours.
The impact does not shift the Earth’s orbit noticeably.

574 Gus  Aug 22, 2014 4:24:23pm

re: #568 lawhawk

Sucks that the left out the pages that the FPD previously released. Because that’s what the missing pages are.

The pages they left out are identical to the pages included in the original document dump by the FPD here.

The missing pages are pages 17, 18 and 19 of original document dump.

I’d add couple more things. The first 2 pages are the Incident Report. The last 3 pages are an Event Report. So really, the Incident Report remains blank. The additional 3 pages are just an Event Report or chronology. It’s still not a narrative style Incident Report in either case.

575 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 22, 2014 4:25:14pm
576 lawhawk  Aug 22, 2014 4:26:27pm

re: #574 Gus

Excellent points. It’s still a shameful display of police work.

577 Gus  Aug 22, 2014 4:27:56pm

re: #576 lawhawk

Excellent points. It’s still a shameful display of police work.

Lots of Hanlon’s razor involved here methinks.

578 EPR-radar  Aug 22, 2014 4:29:39pm

re: #577 Gus

Lots of Hanlon’s razor involved here methinks.

I think we can embrace the healing power of “and” here. FPD is both stupid and malicious.

579 ObserverArt  Aug 22, 2014 4:30:02pm

I wanted to do some kind of subtle statement on the St. Louis area issues. So, I got this idea for a Photoshop that is toned down so to speak.

What do you think?

St Louis…Black and White Under the Arch.

580 Charles Johnson  Aug 22, 2014 4:30:05pm
581 Charles Johnson  Aug 22, 2014 4:30:52pm

re: #574 Gus

I’d add couple more things. The first 2 pages are the Incident Report. The last 3 pages are an Event Report. So really, the Incident Report remains blank. The additional 3 pages are just an Event Report or chronology. It’s still not a narrative style Incident Report in either case.

No, the new pages don’t really change anything or supply any more information.

582 KingKenrod  Aug 22, 2014 4:31:34pm

re: #574 Gus

I’d add couple more things. The first 2 pages are the Incident Report. The last 3 pages are an Event Report. So really, the Incident Report remains blank. The additional 3 pages are just an Event Report or chronology. It’s still not a narrative style Incident Report in either case.

Even as an event log the additional pages look almost useless to me - a bunch of dispatch/arrive/clear events but no unit numbers, no identification of who arrived, who was dispatched, etc.

583 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 22, 2014 4:31:35pm

re: #581 Charles Johnson

No, the new pages don’t really change anything or supply any more information.

True, but it’s still good to have it as an update.

584 EPR-radar  Aug 22, 2014 4:32:05pm

re: #581 Charles Johnson

No, the new pages don’t really change anything or supply any more information.

That won’t stop the RWNJs from trying to impeach the credibility of the ACLU over this mistake, of course.

585 Bubblehead II  Aug 22, 2014 4:32:15pm

Evening Lizards. Not even going to to try to catch up with 580+ comments. Anybody got a quick synopsis?

586 Targetpractice  Aug 22, 2014 4:33:10pm

re: #585 Bubblehead II

Evening Lizards. Not even going to to try to catch up with 580+ comments. Anybody got a quick synopsis?

FPD and STLCPD filed blank reports 10 days after the death of an unarmed teen, on the grounds that the cop involved immediately pleaded the fifth rather than filing a report.

587 wrenchwench  Aug 22, 2014 4:33:21pm

re: #575 Backwoods_Sleuth

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From there:

We hold our officers to a high standard of honor both on and off duty. While we as a department do not have an issue with officers expressing themselves, this was disturbing and unacceptable. The officer is a 35 year veteran of this department and has been deployed numerous times in military service. He had passed the evaluations upon returning from deployment and there was no indication of this attitude.

Obviously they need to do something different during the hiring process. Maybe a background check?

Also, no 40 years in the military. In and out. Mostly Reserves, I’d guess. And maybe he heard about Vietnam in boot camp.

588 EPR-radar  Aug 22, 2014 4:33:51pm

re: #579 ObserverArt

I like it. If I were to attempt anything like this, it would probably involve decorating the St. Louis arch using old photographs of lynchings, which would not be helpful.

589 Dark_Falcon  Aug 22, 2014 4:34:42pm

re: #35 lawhawk

The ODS is strong. So strong that apparently Obamacare is the reason that the Cubs suck at well, everything.

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Well, Obama is South Side and the Cubs are North Side, so its quite possible he’s a Cubs hater….

/Entirely kidding.

590 alpuz  Aug 22, 2014 4:35:29pm

I’m out for the night. Have a good one Lizards. I’ll be lurking occasionally.

Thank you Charles, Peace.

591 Bubblehead II  Aug 22, 2014 4:35:39pm

re: #586 Targetpractice

FPD and STLCPD filed blank reports 10 days after the death of an unarmed teen, on the grounds that the cop involved immediately pleaded the fifth rather than filing a report.

In other words, stone walling. Why am I not surprised.

592 Targetpractice  Aug 22, 2014 4:36:32pm

re: #591 Bubblehead II

In other words, stone walling. Why am I not surprised.

I’m not, and I don’t think any honest people who’ve been following since the start are. This is just the continuation of the thin blue line looking after its own.

593 Decatur Deb  Aug 22, 2014 4:36:48pm

re: #543 wrenchwench

If he’s a Vietnam veteran who retired from the military in 2012, and we assume he was in for 40 years, he was in the military for ONE YEAR of the Vietnam war. What’s the benefit of identifying your whole term of service by that?

Wingnut appeal, I suppose. Strange how the image of ‘Vietnam Vet’ has been all over the place.

There are things wrong with the SGM’s timeline. Checking a Stolen Valor site or two.

594 lawhawk  Aug 22, 2014 4:37:23pm

re: #586 Targetpractice

They could still have filled in all the other details that they could determine from the crime scene. Positions of the vehicle, who were witnesses, what officers responded, etc.

They did none of that - at least nothing that they’re willing to release as part of a report at this stage.

595 Gus  Aug 22, 2014 4:40:05pm
596 Gus  Aug 22, 2014 4:40:16pm
597 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Aug 22, 2014 4:41:05pm

Listening to this now suspended nut job from the St Louis PD. He’s a special kind of crazy.

598 Targetpractice  Aug 22, 2014 4:41:17pm

re: #595 Gus

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I think we can write that one down as “equipment failure.”

599 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Aug 22, 2014 4:42:25pm

just realized the video of that nut is over an hour long, yeah not gonna watch

600 ObserverArt  Aug 22, 2014 4:42:55pm

re: #588 EPR-radar

I like it. If I were to attempt anything like this, it would probably involve decorating the St. Louis arch using old photographs of lynchings, which would not be helpful.

I always go with the ol’ less is more thinking in design. Plus, subtle draws you in so you have to think a bit. And thinking is the key.

601 b.d.  Aug 22, 2014 4:43:46pm

re: #596 Gus

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Fallout over the Bush Ranch? Good thing all that brush is cleared, that stuff is a fire hazard.

Rocketry doesn’t get any easier as time goes by does it?

602 lawhawk  Aug 22, 2014 4:44:17pm

re: #597 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

Now wonder how many others agree with his POV on the county police force. Colleagues and coworkers who looked up to him because he’s a senior guy on the force. How many others did he influence?

County Police Chief Belmar wants people to think this is an isolated incident.

It isn’t.

Not when there were hours of video from the protests showing his officers pointing loaded weapons at protesters in contravention to standard police practice (let alone military practice). Let’s see him deal with that.

603 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 22, 2014 4:44:27pm

re: #570 Backwoods_Sleuth

hey, here’s somebody who also had a 10-year-old KitchenAid dishwasher where the door wouldn’t open. There’s a suggestion for a fix:
shopyourway.com

OK I’ll try that but still need service to fix the door.

Zedushka & I were both feeling very low blood sugary this afternoon so we opened the pie early. He’s all like “How much cherries did you put in this pie” and I’m like “It’s a raspberry pie, there are no cherries” and he’s like “well it feels all squshy & seedy like raspberries but it tastes like cherries!”

Raspberries are TART just like sour cherries and yes, it totally does taste like cherry pie except squshy & seedy.

But good. Definitely a winner.

604 rhuarc  Aug 22, 2014 4:45:06pm

So with the release of the video of the racist and homophobic STL County PD officer at the Oathkeepers event will people start to realize that the Oathkeepers aren’t what they claim to be? I mean, here we have someone who apparently has sworn an oath to this group to disobey orders that are unconstitutional and what do we see him doing in Ferguson? Or should I even wonder if those orders were OK because they were directed at blah people?

Also, another thought I had. Since Officer Wilson took the 5th will the same conservatives who automatically believe Lois Lerner is guilty because she took the 5th now automatically believe Wilson is guilty where they thought him innocent before? Or will hypocrisy reign supreme over the conservative world?

605 Bubblehead II  Aug 22, 2014 4:45:26pm

re: #592 Targetpractice

I’m not, and I don’t think any honest people who’ve been following since the start are. This is just the continuation of the thin blue line looking after its own.

re: #594 lawhawk

They could still have filled in all the other details that they could determine from the crime scene. Positions of the vehicle, who were witnesses, what officers responded, etc.

They did none of that - at least nothing that they’re willing to release as part of a report at this stage.

You know, I would think by now, these idiots would have learned that any attempt to cover up a crime/mistake, only makes it’s worse. But noooooo. We have to protect our own even if it makes us look worse in the end.

606 Stanley Sea  Aug 22, 2014 4:45:42pm

re: #587 wrenchwench

From there:

Obviously they need to do something different during the hiring process. Maybe a background check?

Also, no 40 years in the military. In and out. Mostly Reserves, I’d guess. And maybe he heard about Vietnam in boot camp.

They need people IN the department reporting the assholes they work with.

607 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Aug 22, 2014 4:46:23pm

re: #602 lawhawk

I am willing to bet there are far too many who agree with everything he said. I am willing to bet he brought others from the PD to this event if they weren’t already there to begin with.

608 Decatur Deb  Aug 22, 2014 4:48:43pm

re: #543 wrenchwench

If he’s a Vietnam veteran who retired from the military in 2012, and we assume he was in for 40 years, he was in the military for ONE YEAR of the Vietnam war. What’s the benefit of identifying your whole term of service by that?

Wingnut appeal, I suppose. Strange how the image of ‘Vietnam Vet’ has been all over the place.

re: #593 Decatur Deb

There are things wrong with the SGM’s timeline. Checking a Stolen Valor site or two.

This is just a grab, but Officer Page had already attracted attention months ago. He needs a very good look, and of course his video tape stuck his head above the parapet.

the-two-malcontents.com

609 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 22, 2014 4:49:27pm

I updated this wingnut meme so please help releasing it to the Twitstream

610 wrenchwench  Aug 22, 2014 4:50:47pm

re: #604 rhuarc

Or will hypocrisy reign supreme over the conservative world?

Nailed it.

611 Stanley Sea  Aug 22, 2014 4:52:12pm

re: #608 Decatur Deb

This is just a grab, but Officer Page had already attracted attention months ago. He needs a very good look, and of course his tape stuck his head above the parapet.

the-two-malcontents.com

Get on it LGF.

612 Kragar  Aug 22, 2014 4:52:17pm
613 ausador  Aug 22, 2014 4:52:23pm
614 lawhawk  Aug 22, 2014 4:52:43pm

This speaks for itself.

White police officers ticket blitzed black suburbs around St. Louis.

An analysis by NBC News indicates that in recent years, Ferguson and other nearby jurisdictions have issued citations for low-level traffic and other violations at a per capita rate as much as five times higher than cities in other parts of suburban St. Louis.

St. Louis County has 90 municipalities within its 524 square miles, and towns with populations as small as 800 people have their own police forces. Given the dense patchwork of towns and police departments, a single short car trip includes the possibility of multiple traffic stops. One seven-mile stretch of Interstate 70, for example, passes through eight different cities that can issue violations.

“If you’re driving to get to highway 70 to go to work, you drive through two to three municipalities, each of which can ticket you and make your life really difficult,” said Thomas Harvey, executive director of ArchCity Defenders, a law firm that represents low-income people in the area and recently released a report on local municipal courts.

Data from the State Attorney General’s Office also shows that per capita, black drivers in the county are 66 percent more likely to be stopped than whites, and more likely to be arrested once stopped. The result, in a section of the county where the poor black population is growing and the older white population is declining, is that much of the interaction between police and the newer residents takes place during traffic stops.

5 times the number of tickets than issued in white areas.

But what NBC gets wrong is that reviewing where the stops occurred showing that more stops occurred on the secondary and local roads than the Interstates. This wasn’t just setting up speed traps on I70.

This was systematic targeting of minority drivers across the entire region, and one of the primary law enforcement agencies involved: The St. Louis County Police. The county police stops on Interstates was more balanced, but once you got to local roads, the bias is obvious.

615 wrenchwench  Aug 22, 2014 4:53:49pm

re: #608 Decatur Deb

This is just a grab, but Officer Page had already attracted attention months ago. He needs a very good look, and of course his tape stuck his head above the parapet.

the-two-malcontents.com

From there:

Page claims he had his own Lear jet (Learjet is actually one word and not two) and flew to Obama’s home in Kenya. Yeah. Ok.

That was not the only part to make me laugh.

Good find.

616 b.d.  Aug 22, 2014 4:55:45pm

I’m not sure what scares me the most, the police in Missouri or knowing that the police forces across the nation are all pretty much just like them?

617 wrenchwench  Aug 22, 2014 4:56:28pm

re: #614 lawhawk

This speaks for itself.

White police officers ticket blitzed black suburbs around St. Louis.

But what NBC gets wrong is that reviewing where the stops occurred showing that more stops occurred on the secondary and local roads than the Interstates. This wasn’t just setting up speed traps on I70.

This was systematic targeting of minority drivers across the entire region, and one of the primary law enforcement agencies involved: The St. Louis County Police. The county police stops on Interstates was more balanced, but once you got to local roads, the bias is obvious.

Then you miss paying a fine, then you got a warrant out for your arrest, then the cops can pull you out of your car and beat you and jail you. Then you have a record. Then you can’t get a job.

Then they call you an animal.

618 Stanley Sea  Aug 22, 2014 4:56:45pm

re: #614 lawhawk

This speaks for itself.

White police officers ticket blitzed black suburbs around St. Louis.

But what NBC gets wrong is that reviewing where the stops occurred showing that more stops occurred on the secondary and local roads than the Interstates. This wasn’t just setting up speed traps on I70.

This was systematic targeting of minority drivers across the entire region, and one of the primary law enforcement agencies involved: The St. Louis County Police. The county police stops on Interstates was more balanced, but once you got to local roads, the bias is obvious.

Mike Brown’s killing is starting to lay bare the systemic racism in this country.

619 b.d.  Aug 22, 2014 4:59:13pm

re: #608 Decatur Deb

This is just a grab, but Officer Page had already attracted attention months ago. He needs a very good look, and of course his tape stuck his head above the parapet.

the-two-malcontents.com

That’s a great read. That guy needs to be unemployed for an awful lot of reasons.

620 ausador  Aug 22, 2014 5:02:40pm

re: #599 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

just realized the video of that nut is over an hour long, yeah not gonna watch

Just watch the last four minutes or so where he says the secret high tech prison from the Sylvester Stallone movie “Escape Plan” is real and that the government is “disappearing” people already.

It gives you the basic flavor of the rest of his deranged rant… :(

621 Decatur Deb  Aug 22, 2014 5:06:18pm

re: #615 wrenchwench

From there:

That was not the only part to make me laugh.

Good find.

Wasn’t AfriCom CSM. Only one Army guy has held that senior enlisted post.

africom.mil

A bunch of people who care about such things picked up on him today. If He’s fake, he’s outed.

facebook.com

622 klys  Aug 22, 2014 5:06:48pm

The hatchling flood continues…

623 Bear  Aug 22, 2014 5:09:40pm

re: #621 Decatur Deb

Three stripes and one rocker equaled Staff Sgt in my day. WW2

624 Decatur Deb  Aug 22, 2014 5:12:01pm

re: #623 Bear

Three stripes and one rocker equaled Staff Sgt in my day. WW2

Still does, E6, unless they changed since I lost track.

(Was my dad’s Army Air Corps rank in 1944.)

625 wrenchwench  Aug 22, 2014 5:12:50pm

re: #621 Decatur Deb

Wasn’t AfriCom CSM. Only one Army guy has held that senior enlisted post.

africom.mil

A bunch of people who care about such things picked up on him today. If He’s fake, he’s outed.

facebook.com

I saw that FB page. From there got this.

“We sang cadence and woke up the camp with over 275 runners,” said Command Sgt. Maj. Danny Page, 418th Civil Affairs Battalion command sergeant major.

Soldiers also staged volleyball and basketball tournaments during the week. On June 14, Soldiers will take part in another run - five kilometers around the camp.

So he also goes by Danny.

626 Decatur Deb  Aug 22, 2014 5:14:09pm

re: #625 wrenchwench

I saw that FB page. From there got this.

So he also goes by Danny.

He goes by “Mister” now.

627 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 22, 2014 5:22:30pm

re: #625 wrenchwench

That FB page also says that the Stolen Valor group contacted St Louis officials back in May. So this latest revelation shouldn’t have been any surprise.

628 wrenchwench  Aug 22, 2014 5:23:12pm
Page’s speciality was psychological warfare. He retired after learning the U.S. military was going to be turned in a domestic police force and embrace open homosexuality.

Most of what’s out there is favorable reviews of that hour-long video speaking to the Oathies.

629 jonhendry  Aug 22, 2014 5:27:35pm

re: #503 Justanotherhuman

This is Dan Page:

951-Riverside provided this time line of the video’s lowlights:
alan.com

I’m just waiting to find out he was never in combat or in the Green Berets as he claims.

630 urbanmeemaw  Aug 22, 2014 5:29:19pm

re: #458 lawhawk

I certainly hope so. In addition to the consent decree, Cincinnatians also voted to authorize the city government to go outside of the city to hire replacement for police chief. One of the big problems was that the PD was pretty inbred - mostly white men from the same side of town (conservative/Catholic) who went to the same high school, etc. So when the police chief retired the city hired a police chief from LA.

BTW - here is a link to an interview with James Craig, who was the first chief to come from another location. He offers interesting insights on how to improve morale in police departments:

freep.com

He left to become police chief in Detroit, his home town. He has been replaced by Jeffrey Blackwell, who was one of the Cincinnatians who went to Ferguson.

631 jonhendry  Aug 22, 2014 5:32:52pm

re: #562 BeachDem

A police officer shot Michael Brown to death. And they left his body in the street. For four hours.

If the cops had their way they probably would have strung it up in a gibbet, as a warning to the locals.

632 urbanmeemaw  Aug 22, 2014 5:37:23pm

re: #484 Gus

[Embedded content]

No original insights from Greta today - she’s repeating cliched cheap shots!

Oh, wait. She does that every day.

633 jonhendry  Aug 22, 2014 5:41:31pm

re: #587 wrenchwench

From there:

Obviously they need to do something different during the hiring process. Maybe a background check?

If he’s been there 35 years, they probably need to do periodic psych evaluations or something. He might have spent the last 20 years sinking into low-grade psychosis.

634 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Aug 22, 2014 5:51:22pm

re: #503 Justanotherhuman

This is Dan Page:

3:22: Black (little?) Perverts

What he says is “black-robed perverts”. He’s referring to the Supreme Court, I suspect on account of their gay-friendly rulings.

635 jonhendry  Aug 22, 2014 6:05:34pm

re: #625 wrenchwench

I saw that FB page. From there got this.

So he also goes by Danny.

“So he also goes by Danny.”

I would not assume it’s the same Dan Page.


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