Who’s Behind the GoFundMe Crowd-Funding Pages for Darren Wilson?

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In the days since Darren Wilson was named as the officer involved in the shooting of an unarmed Mike Brown, someone established a GoFundMe for raising funds for Wilson’s likely defense fund.

Other folks have already shown their true intentions in the hate filled comments supporting Wilson. People donated $25, $50, or more to the Wilson fund, and some expressed all manner of racial hatred and vitriol at Brown and those who are seeking justice for the shooting of an unarmed black man.

This is just a small sample, before the site took these comments down:

GoFundMe responded, not by taking down the fundraising site, but by eliminating the comments that highlighted the hate.

Note that GoFundMe is itself funded by taking a percentage of every donation. That’s their business model, so while it would be wise in the long run to reject these donations altogether, they’ve kept the donations, which helps fund the site.

The original page has been replaced by a new page, with the funds going to a 501(c)(3) charity, meaning donations are tax exempt.

This was the first update to that page, 5 days ago:

It was a request to contact an email address for more information or to donate directly to the Ferguson Police Department.

Well, we know who’s running it now; it’s a 501(c)(3) going by the name Shield of Hope:

Originally called the Fraternal Order Of Police Lodge 15 Charitable Foundation, Shield of Hope was founded in late 2011. (The name was changed shortly after.) According to a filing with the Missouri Secretary of State’s office, the charity’s board of directors include the Ferguson Police Department’s Public Relations Officer Timothy Zoll, Missouri State Rep. Jeffrey Roorda (a former police officer), and Florissant City Council member Joe Eagan.

They’ve also set up a Facebook page, which links back to the GoFundMe.

Charity Navigator doesn’t rate this charity because it isn’t required to file a full Form 990.

To me, the most interesting name associated with the charity is Roorda, because he’s also the state rep who tried to keep the names of officers involved in shootings secret.

Roorda said he introduced the bill in 2009 out of safety concerns for police officers.

“Releasing a name could put someone in grave jeopardy,” Roorda said.

Roorda is also the business manager of the St. Louis Police Officers’ Association. The bill would have prevented the public from obtaining any records and documents involving police shootings if those documents contained the name of the officer who pulled the trigger.

Roorda said he was concerned about retaliation.

“That someone would retaliate, think they did something wrong and try to hurt them or their family,” Roorda said.

The bill never became law. The Police Officer’s Association eventually reached a compromise with the St. Louis Police Department. The department agreed to not release the name of the officer if it felt the officer could face a threat. After the compromise, Roorda decided not to pursue the legislation.

Roorda dropped pursuing the bill’s passage, but he’s still out there trying to shield law enforcement from the repercussions of excessive force.

The other person involved, Joe Eagan, appears be the same Joe Eagan who was a former police officer who was nearly killed in a carjacking. Three suspects in the shooting were eventually arrested. He’s now a councilman for the neighboring city of Florissant.

I get why these three think that Wilson deserves a defense. They want to protect and shield their own, but they owe the Ferguson community so much more than just defending their police officers. They owe it to the community to be law enforcement officers who uphold the law and don’t engage in racial profiling. They owe it to the community to be law enforcement that doesn’t target minorities and see them as a piggy bank.

An analysis by NBC News indicates that in recent years, Ferguson and other nearby jurisdictions have issued citations for low-level traffic and other violations at a per capita rate as much as five times higher than cities in other parts of suburban St. Louis.

This was systematic targeting of minority drivers across the entire region, and one of the primary law enforcement agencies involved is the St. Louis County Police. The county police stops on Interstates was more balanced, but once you got to local roads, the bias is glaringly obvious. The Ferguson PD isn’t much different. They’ve got a similarly abysmal track record.

All the local law enforcement agencies involved in Ferguson have shown the community is nothing but a bottomless pit of contempt. And hatred.

And the comments by those who donated to GoFundMe expose still more racial hatred, and that should not be tolerated either.

The Wilson GoFundMe has raised more than $230,000 so far in 5 days.

That’s a whole lot of hate.

Now, before anyone thinks that I don’t think that Wilson deserves a proper legal defense, let’s further note that Wilson hasn’t been even charged with a crime yet. He hasn’t spoken to prosecutors and he remains in seclusion. Indeed, he doesn’t appear to have spoken to any law enforcement agency and isn’t likely to issue any statement lest he incriminate himself under the 5th Amendment.

So, all this money is being raised despite no charges pending and the grand jury just getting underway.

Wilson will likely get his day in court for the unlawful killing of Michael Brown.That’s his constitutional right; it’s sad that far too many of his supporters ignore how Wilson deprived Brown of that same right.

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268 comments
1 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Aug 22, 2014 7:40:29pm

I mentioned this in a comment on an earlier thread, but it seems to me that Wilson would be represented by union lawyers, at least on the criminal charges. That’s a lot of money sloshing around.

2 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Aug 22, 2014 7:49:03pm

Damn, killed the thread with the first comment :/

3 dog philosopher  Aug 22, 2014 7:50:47pm

daddy hatebux

4 Kragar  Aug 22, 2014 7:56:10pm

I wonder how many contributed so they could feel like they got to kill vicariously through Officer Wilson.

More than a few judging by the comment

5 abolitionist  Aug 22, 2014 8:02:43pm

re: #4 Kragar

I wonder how many contributed so they could feel like they got to kill vicariously through Officer Wilson.

More than a few judging by the comment

It’s not like it was bounty or anything like that— it was contributions to a hero’s legal defense fund.

6 Aqua Obama  Aug 22, 2014 8:04:46pm

From the cop who was pushing CNN’s Don Lemon around

• “I personally believe in Jesus Christ as my lord savior, but I’m also a killer. I’ve killed a lot. And if I need to, I’ll kill a whole bunch more. If you don’t want to get killed, don’t show up in front of me, it’s that simple. I have no problem with it. God did not raise me to be a coward,” he said before warning the audience that he believes the government will put kids in indoctrination camps.

• “I’m into diversity. I kill everybody, I don’t care.”

• “Muslims are passive until they gain parity with you or they exceed you in numbers and they will kill you.”

What

The

Fuck

7 jaunte  Aug 22, 2014 8:06:21pm

re: #6 Aqua Obama

“Muslims are passive until they gain parity with you or they exceed you in numbers and they will kill you.”

I wonder how many Robert Spencer books he has at home.

8 calochortus  Aug 22, 2014 8:06:24pm

re: #6 Aqua Obama

A less than lovely example of creating a deity to conform to your world view.

9 raina  Aug 22, 2014 8:07:00pm

This is all so sickening. Seems to me, judging by the comments, the only reason people are donating to that fund is because the victim is black. If the victim were white, would they still donate?

10 ausador  Aug 22, 2014 8:08:52pm

re: #1 Rev_Arthur_Belling

I mentioned this in a comment on an earlier thread, but it seems to me that Wilson would be represented by union lawyers, at least on the criminal charges. That’s a lot of money sloshing around.

ABC reported on Wednesday(?) that the Fraternal Order of Police had appointed a lawyer to represent him. So yes, his union will be picking up the tab for his legal representation. Still since it looks like he is most likely out of a job I’m sure that money will come in handy for other things.

11 raina  Aug 22, 2014 8:09:52pm

I saw a tweet where someone is boycotting, or at least refusing to participate in gofundme in the future.

PS When I try to tweet from here, it says no parameters. What’s that mean?

12 HappyWarrior  Aug 22, 2014 8:16:54pm

re: #6 Aqua Obama

From the cop who was pushing CNN’s Don Lemon around

What

The

Fuck

Makes me wonder how many more are like him out there.

13 Aqua Obama  Aug 22, 2014 8:17:01pm

Another cop

Glendale officer Matthew Pappert was also suspended after posting on social media that he thought the Ferguson protesters should be “put down like rabid dogs.”

Huh, “suspended”…

14 HappyWarrior  Aug 22, 2014 8:18:33pm

re: #13 Aqua Obama

Another cop

Huh, “suspended”…

Yet we’re supposed to get mad at anti-cop rap lyrics.

15 ausador  Aug 22, 2014 8:27:19pm

Now I am ashamed for being so self absorbed… ///

16 prairiefire  Aug 22, 2014 8:34:17pm

re: #15 ausador

Bob’s Burgers! I am Linda, absolutely!

17 ausador  Aug 22, 2014 8:37:45pm
18 BeachDem  Aug 22, 2014 8:53:31pm

Ah, Rich Lowry and the “kinder, gentler NRO”

“The next time I hear a Republican strategist or a Republican politician say that there are jobs that Americans won’t do, that person should be shot, he should be hanged, he should be wrapped in a carpet and thrown in the Potomac River,” Lowry said. “You know that’s what they did to Rasputin, I think it was a different river. But let me tell you, it worked.”

talkingpointsmemo.com

19 jaunte  Aug 22, 2014 9:01:17pm

politico.tumblr.com

……

Infographics pros might wonder where the other Presidents are in this graph. When it’s only Obama playing, those tees look awfully tall.

20 ausador  Aug 22, 2014 9:04:42pm

Almost 5 million views for a video showing how to do the simplest things slightly differently. I have watched one of his other similar videos before but it seems he has gotten a following since then.

As a Russian immigrant to the U.S. he definitely looks at things in a slightly different way from most of us born here.

10 Things You’ve been Doing Wrong Everyday

Youtube Video

21 jonhendry  Aug 22, 2014 9:06:13pm

re: #10 ausador

“Still since it looks like he is most likely out of a job I’m sure that money will come in handy for other things.”

Why do you think he’ll be out of a job? Worst case scenario, he’ll just move to another town’s police department.

‘Cause it’s extremely unlikely that he’ll get indicted, let alone convicted, the way they operate there.

22 blueraven  Aug 22, 2014 9:09:03pm

Heh.

23 Rightwingconspirator  Aug 22, 2014 9:09:37pm

Some of you might remember when I took D_L and sometimes LWC to do some video on Occupy LA. Or before that I went to the first Tea Party event in Los Angeles at Griffith park to share some on the ground reality.

Well we have grown some, done a bunch of the kind of work that pays bills. But Ferguson and the media harassment even in the face of court orders has just gotten my back up. So thinking about doing another street style documentary/educational video. Think longish public service announcement style. Imagine a PSA for cops to teach them about what the law says about the 1st and photographers and media.

Really thinking to leverage the assets we have to make something that makes the point that needs to be made. Aimed right at those who need to change some.

24 Floral Giraffe  Aug 22, 2014 9:34:11pm

re: #15 ausador

AHEM. I prefer tea ;)

25 Rightwingconspirator  Aug 22, 2014 9:50:55pm

The air has that quiet Saturday night feeling. Kinda more blues than rock or hip hop. But not in a vintage kinda way.

Video

Kinda like that.

26 austin_blue  Aug 22, 2014 9:53:04pm

Do any of these people realize that the ballistics prove that the kill shot that snuffed this unarmed child was fired when he was on his knees, leaned over with his head near the ground, with his chin tucked into his chest?

They are contributing to fund the defense of a stone cold killer.

27 HappyWarrior  Aug 22, 2014 9:56:40pm

re: #18 BeachDem

Ah, Rich Lowry and the “kinder, gentler NRO”

“The next time I hear a Republican strategist or a Republican politician say that there are jobs that Americans won’t do, that person should be shot, he should be hanged, he should be wrapped in a carpet and thrown in the Potomac River,” Lowry said. “You know that’s what they did to Rasputin, I think it was a different river. But let me tell you, it worked.”

talkingpointsmemo.com

What the fuck Lowery. Violent fantasies much.

28 HappyWarrior  Aug 22, 2014 9:57:46pm

re: #19 jaunte

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politico.tumblr.com

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Infographics pros might wonder where the other Presidents are in this graph. When it’s only Obama playing, those tees look awfully tall.

So he’s actually been golfing less this year. OUTRAGE.

29 Targetpractice  Aug 22, 2014 10:01:41pm

re: #10 ausador

ABC reported on Wednesday(?) that the Fraternal Order of Police had appointed a lawyer to represent him. So yes, his union will be picking up the tab for his legal representation. Still since it looks like he is most likely out of a job I’m sure that money will come in handy for other things.

I’m curious why you think he’ll be out of a job. If anything, the FPD and STLCPD’s actions so far seem to have towards absolving him of any guilt so he can remain in uniform. If he’s never charged, then I don’t see why they’d drop him from the force. Confine him to a desk for a bit until things die down, but I doubt very much they’re gonna take away his badge if he never sees the inside of a court room.

30 ausador  Aug 22, 2014 10:35:33pm

re: #29 Targetpractice

Regardless of how things go with the grand jury he still stands a good chance of having federal charges brought against him. Unless some kind of exculpatory evidence comes out of the forensics to better explain his actions. Then after resolving that in whatever fashion I also expect to see a wrongful death suit filed by the family.

I doubt Wilson would wish to return to work immediately even if circumstances arranged themselves so that it would be possible. Would you want to go back out on single man patrols in the community knowing how much many of the people disliked you?

Even if he does get off completely unscathed by the justice system he is still going to want to relocate and seek work in a different locality. Usually an incident of this nature is a career ender as a police officer unless the person is employed in a large metropolitan force that can shift the officer to a different district.

Applying at other police departments is problematic because most other departments don’t want the type of PR (and liability) that comes from being named for hiring a known “problem” officer. Of course given the glimpses we have been given of the attitudes of other local police departments in the area that might not apply in this case.

My 2¢

31 Kragar  Aug 22, 2014 10:42:29pm
32 Floral Giraffe  Aug 22, 2014 10:42:55pm

re: #30 ausador

I just posted a page from St Louis Public Radio transcript with details of what the Grand Jury system is likely to be like for this case.

littlegreenfootballs.com

Shameless promotion, but I found it an interesting read.

33 freetoken  Aug 22, 2014 11:01:22pm

I’m glad the layers are being peeled back and a bit of light is being shone into the cracks.

The nakedness will do us good.

34 Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 22, 2014 11:02:54pm

I now find myself wondering how widespread this is. I highly doubt the Ferguson/St. Louis county police are the only blatantly racist forces in the country.

I suspect we have a big problem here. I wonder if cops in Southwestern cities show similar contempt toward Latinos?

35 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Aug 22, 2014 11:04:08pm

re: #33 freetoken

I’m glad the layers are being peeled back and a bit of light is being shone into the cracks.

The nakedness will do us good.

The FPD information policy was to toss out well-timed red herrings to get the Internets and news channels roiling and spewing rage in the hope that the ugly truth would then manage to go unnoticed.

36 Shvaughn  Aug 22, 2014 11:11:30pm

re: #34 Eclectic Cyborg

I suspect we have a big problem here. I wonder if cops in Southwestern cities show similar contempt toward Latinos?

Yes, they do.

37 Shvaughn  Aug 22, 2014 11:12:13pm

The donations to Darren Wilson feel like rewards for killing a black boy.

These people would put a bounty on the heads of people like Michael Brown if they could get away with it.

38 William Barnett-Lewis  Aug 22, 2014 11:14:00pm

re: #34 Eclectic Cyborg

I now find myself wondering how widespread this is. I highly doubt the Ferguson/St. Louis county police are the only blatantly racist forces in the country.

I suspect we have a big problem here. I wonder if cops in Southwestern cities show similar contempt toward Latinos?

Yes, I’m sure they do just as the cops around here undoubtedly do with Native Americans.

No not every cop. But I’d not be surprised if it’s a large majority of them.

39 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Aug 22, 2014 11:14:25pm

re: #37 Shvaughn

The donations to Darren Wilson feel like rewards for killing a black boy.

These people would put a bounty on the heads of people like Michael Brown if they could get away with it.

I also see some adolescent malice in it, they are doing it to piss off the people who protested the shooting.

40 freetoken  Aug 22, 2014 11:14:49pm

re: #35 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

re: #34 Eclectic Cyborg

Unfortunately police forces seem to attract men (and it’s mostly men) who are on personal power trips. I’ve been told that the better police academies do screenings to weed out the high risk types, but I wonder with all the police academies in this country how many people become police officers who really ought not be.

Centuries ago there were no police. As a responsive-to-public-oversight institution they are for the most part a modern invention. Before that it was simply strongmen under the employ of whoever the local baron happened to be.

Watchmen were often brutes.

41 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Aug 22, 2014 11:15:49pm

re: #38 William Barnett-Lewis

Yes, I’m sure they do just as the cops around here undoubtedly do with Native Americans.

No not every cop. But I’d not be surprised if it’s a large majority of them.

I would not go that far, but we have simply as a society been sold on the notion that more policemen + more awesome firepower = better police protection.

We have had enough examples to the contrary, but we have ignored them (or let them be covered up)

42 Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 22, 2014 11:17:16pm

It’s a terrible cycle we’re stuck in.

Few police are minorities, hence the mainly white police force engages in racial bias and profiling of minorities. As a result, minorities don’t trust the police and don’t want to become cops…lather, rinse, repeat.

43 Floral Giraffe  Aug 22, 2014 11:25:46pm

re: #42 Eclectic Cyborg

The Los Angeles Police Department has been associated with a number of controversies, mainly concerned with racial animosity, police brutality and police corruption. To the extent that from 2001 to 2009 the United States Department of Justice entered into a consent decree with the LAPD regarding numerous civil rights violations. In terms of number of officers, NYC, Chicago, then LA. LA has around 10,000 officers.

Up until the Gates administration (1978-1992), the LAPD was predominantly white (80% in 1980), and many officers had resided outside the city limits. The DOJ consent decree has put a dent in that, but I can’t find a number. But, it took the DOJ to change LAPD.

44 ausador  Aug 22, 2014 11:29:11pm

re: #40 freetoken

Well if they fail to get into the police force they can still become Corrections Department officers…

Only three kinds of officers in corrections:

The “power tripper” who enjoys using excessive discipline to micromanage every aspect of the inmate’s lives. Demands slavish respect for his authority but never treats anyone around him with any in return. (65%)

The “wall flower” who knows nothing, sees nothing, and hears nothing, just wants to collect a paycheck and hang in until retirement. (25%)

The “do gooder” took some criminal justice or sociology classes, maybe studying for a degree on the side, thought he could be a “positive influence” and effect change. Will burn out (wall flower) or go on to another job in two years or less. (10%)

Then people ask why our prison systems are so messed up…sigh. :(

45 dholmes32  Aug 22, 2014 11:54:14pm

re: #34 Eclectic Cyborg

I now find myself wondering how widespread this is. I highly doubt the Ferguson/St. Louis county police are the only blatantly racist forces in the country.

I suspect we have a big problem here. I wonder if cops in Southwestern cities show similar contempt toward Latinos?

Uhm, does Joe Arpaio’s Maricopa County Sheriff’s Office [Phoenix, AZ] count? Last year, federal judge G. Murray Snow found Shurf Joe’s deputies had engaged in rampant discrimination against Latinos in the Melendres case. (For the record, Judge Snow is a BYU grad, Mormon and appointed by George W. Bush.)

46 goddamnedfrank  Aug 23, 2014 12:06:46am

I’m not sure I have a real objection to the ALS Ice Bucket Challenge as such, but the article excerpt below goes a long way towards explaining why the whole thing strikes me as being slightly off.

So with all that money coming in and all that awareness raised, why does the Ice Bucket Challenge make me skeptical? And a little queasy?

Because awareness is not money. And the scientific researchers hunting for a cure for ALS (as well as every other life-threatening illness) don’t need awareness. They need money. In fact, what most people seem to have overlooked with the Challenge is that you get the ice bucket dumped on your head TO AVOID making a donation to support ALS research.

I want to reiterate that. Every single video you see of someone getting soaked, be they a celebrity or your co-worker, theoretically reflects a donation not made. While the “rules” of the challenge have evolved to include a smaller donation to go with the soaking (usually given as $10), the actual purpose of the soaking can’t be overlooked. No matter how popular the soakee is or how good their intentions are, and they’re almost always good, if you go by the rules of the game, a soaking represents either no money or much less money given to the fight against ALS.

I guess in an ideal world we wouldn’t need to exploit this kind of viral sociological fad in order to raise money for worthy causes, but this is far from an ideal world. The challenge does also smack heavily of slacktivism, people basically doing for the sake of being seen doing it. Instead of say just donating and then shutting the fuck up, or alternatively challenging / shaming other people into donating also without giving them an opportunity to basically chain letter their way out of it and feel good about themselves at the same time.

47 freetoken  Aug 23, 2014 12:27:16am

Years ago I knew a guy who wanted to be a cop, but he was rejected (twice IIRC) after the tests. He was intelligent enough, but it was the psych tests. I can only guess as why he was rejected, but from my interaction with him he did exhibit very regimented thinking, a classic black-and-white, it’s-the-law type of opinions.

We humans are still in the process of “domesticating” ourselves. We aren’t exactly wild, but we still can revert to very crude tribal behavior.

This is one of the reasons why I detest the politicking of fear. The so-called primary “debates” of the last two elections were full of fear-mongering.

Power brokers exploit people’s fears. Fear of this… fear of that. Fear of drugs brings on the Drug War, which amped up the militarization of police forces, but I think that began a couple of decades earlier, in the 1960’s.

We are still fighting the societal battles of the 1960’s now a generation later. It’s still the struggle for equality, it’s still the struggle of the “other” to be allowed to exist in society.

I wonder what will happen in Ferguson and St. Louis county. I wonder what will happen in Missouri politics, if anything will change.

48 jonhendry  Aug 23, 2014 12:31:52am

re: #46 goddamnedfrank

Except… it *has* apparently raised a crapload of money.

If the stunt wasn’t part of it, it wouldn’t get as much attention. A simple “Give money to ALS research” would be ignored. Do you think charities like the ALS org haven’t *tried* that?

Anyone grumbling that “It’d be better if the bucket nonsense weren’t needed and people just gave money” might as well demand a free pony while they’re at it.

49 goddamnedfrank  Aug 23, 2014 12:41:57am

re: #48 jonhendry

Except… it *has* apparently raised a crapload of money.

If the stunt wasn’t part of it, it wouldn’t get as much attention. A simple “Give money to ALS research” would be ignored. Do you think charities like the ALS org haven’t *tried* that?

Anyone grumbling that “It’d be better if the bucket nonsense weren’t needed and people just gave money” might as well demand a free pony while they’re at it.

That’s great and all but let’s see how long this fad (and that’s exactly what it is) lasts. Don’t get me wrong, it is nice that money has been raised, but there’s probably a fair amount of fatigue to go along with it. Are we witnessing an actual game changing strategy here or just some one off charity version of the Macarena dance. Are people going to buy into different stunt campaigns for malaria, tuberculosis, or the next tsunami / earthquake disaster? What wacky antics will breast cancer researchers have to come up with since wearing pink and organizing 10K runs isn’t viral enough, and and will it sell?

I have my doubts.

50 rgold77  Aug 23, 2014 1:22:33am

I’m not surprised by the comments of the contributors, it seems to be typical of the white supporters of Officer Wilson. I was reading some posts about the lack of diversity in the Ferguson Police Dept. at mlb.com and the comments by the white conservative supporters of Office Wilson were very similar. Typical of this kind of racist thinking are these comments

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OCYankee
# 541399.159(159 of 168)
Replied to: shambert
1:34 AM
OCYankee
Posts:9957

“Don’t you think a police force should be representative of the community in which it serves?”

You think they should have a bunch of poor black people be cops in their town instead of highly trained and educated individuals?

OCYankee
# 541399.164(164 of 168)
Replied to: bmgman
2:29 AM
OCYankee
Posts:9957

“How about blacks apply for the job pass the written test, pass the mental test, pass the background check, pass the academy and become police officers.”

The problem starts BEFORE everything you said. In order to even APPLY for a job, you have to qualify. When the job announcement says you need proof of a driver’s license, 21 years of age, background check, psychological test, lie detector, not to mention things such as high school diplomas and credit report checks, how many of them do you actually think QUALIFY to apply, LOL. Now, the one’s who MIGHT qualify have to be want to be cops. They then have to apply, and do everything you said. You can’t just walk into a police station, tell them you wanna be a cop, watch a 1 hour training video and be put in a squad car to bail your homies out of jail like this guy seems to think.

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It seems you can’t go anywhere on the internet in 2014 and read intelligent comments by conservatives.

51 allegro  Aug 23, 2014 1:26:42am

re: #47 freetoken

Years ago I knew a guy who wanted to be a cop, but he was rejected (twice IIRC) after the tests. He was intelligent enough, but it was the psych tests. I can only guess as why he was rejected, but from my interaction with him he did exhibit very regimented thinking, a classic black-and-white, it’s-the-law type of opinions.

We humans are still in the process of “domesticating” ourselves. We aren’t exactly wild, but we still can revert to very crude tribal behavior.

This is one of the reasons why I detest the politicking of fear. The so-called primary “debates” of the last two elections were full of fear-mongering.

Power brokers exploit people’s fears. Fear of this… fear of that. Fear of drugs brings on the Drug War, which amped up the militarization of police forces, but I think that began a couple of decades earlier, in the 1960’s.

We are still fighting the societal battles of the 1960’s now a generation later. It’s still the struggle for equality, it’s still the struggle of the “other” to be allowed to exist in society.

I wonder what will happen in Ferguson and St. Louis county. I wonder what will happen in Missouri politics, if anything will change.

What’s funny, though certainly not in a ha ha kinda way, is that the idealism of the 60s has already been thoroughly crushed with the systematic impoverishment and destruction of the middle class from which that idealism sprang. The luxury of idealism can no longer be afforded. We’re too busy and exhausted from just trying to survive and keep roofs over our heads and clothes on our children, desperately fighting to keep from slipping even further into the abyss. There is simply no time and energy left to protest about injustices and change those injustices, even those directed at ourselves least of all those affected those who have even less.

This is why Reagan is a hero to the right. The wealthy laugh at their great, increasing fortunes resulting from his successes in changing the conversation from civil rights to welfare queens, and destroying unions and collective bargaining that gave the employed a fair piece of the productivity pie. It’s worked so well they are now arguing for child labor and the elimination of a minimum wage with the cooperation of our mainstream media that no longer calls out these ideas as unAmerican and fucking insane.

And a police officer is being financially rewarded by hateful people for murdering a black kid while corrupt police departments protect him and others like him. Still. In 2014. Only different from lynching by the tool of death.

No, we aren’t fighting the battles of the 60s. We’re pleading for Enlightenment. On bad days, it appears we’re only slipping further into darkness.

52 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Aug 23, 2014 1:48:13am

re: #51 allegro

No, we aren’t fighting the battles of the 60s. We’re pleading for Enlightenment. On bad days, it appears we’re only slipping further into darkness.

Too many of us take the advances in minority, gay and women’s rights over the past 50 years for granted and do not realize that we have to work to keep from losing them.

53 Alyosha  Aug 23, 2014 2:34:26am

re: #52 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Too many of us take the advances in minority, gay and women’s rights over the past 50 years for granted and do not realize that we have to work to keep from losing them.

Hence, otherwise intelligent women (and men, but the former strikes me as being more counter-intuitive) expressing ‘anti-feminist’ opinions. I think it’s more a reaction to the surface appearance of the stereotypical radical feminist than it is an actual response to an actual appreciation of a continuing struggle but it’s still an anchor on progress regardless. I kind of view the Ben Carsons of the world in a similar light.

54 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Aug 23, 2014 2:35:41am

Yay, Bob’s Burgers won an Emmy!

55 Timothy Watson  Aug 23, 2014 3:26:05am

re: #6 Aqua Obama

From the cop who was pushing CNN’s Don Lemon around

What

The

Fuck

What’s the odds of that guy being a REMF who never killed anybody?

56 William Barnett-Lewis  Aug 23, 2014 4:08:04am

re: #55 Timothy Watson

What’s the odds of that guy being a REMF who never killed anybody?

High. But that’s why his attitude is so dangerous - he’ll not know better and do anything he thinks he has to in order to be macho cop.

57 lawhawk  Aug 23, 2014 4:52:58am

re: #46 goddamnedfrank

I did the challenge - and donated. The whole viral nature of this has kicked off a tremendous fundraising boost to the ALS Foundation. Whereas they normally get only about $2 million dollars this time of year, they’ve gotten more than $53 million as a result of the challenge.

I’d say that the challenge has done its job admirably.

Now, if most of that money goes into research, then we’ve really got something here.

And every other charity on the planet is wishing to come up with a viral success even half as good as the ice bucket challenge.

58 Dark_Falcon  Aug 23, 2014 4:58:06am

re: #1 Rev_Arthur_Belling

I mentioned this in a comment on an earlier thread, but it seems to me that Wilson would be represented by union lawyers, at least on the criminal charges. That’s a lot of money sloshing around.

Expert testimony doesn’t come cheap. And it’s often vital for the defense in a murder case.

59 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Aug 23, 2014 5:00:22am

re: #57 lawhawk

I did the challenge - and donated. The whole viral nature of this has kicked off a tremendous fundraising boost to the ALS Foundation. Whereas they normally get only about $2 million dollars this time of year, they’ve gotten more than $53 million as a result of the challenge.

I’d say that the challenge has done its job admirably.

Now, if most of that money goes into research, then we’ve really got something here.

And every other charity on the planet is wishing to come up with a viral success even half as good as the ice bucket challenge.

I’m sorta ambivalent about the ice bucket challenge. Yes, it’s good that money is going to research. But I’ll be damned if I’m going to get doused in a bucket of ice because “all the cool kids are doing it.”

Also, it seems that there’s a link between head trauma (as in football players’ concussions) and ALS, which I was unaware of.

60 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Aug 23, 2014 5:02:39am

re: #59 Rev_Arthur_Belling

Articles have pointed out that Paul Ryan, who cut funding for ALS research, was happy to take the challenge. What a dick.

61 A Mom Anon  Aug 23, 2014 5:12:20am

re: #57 lawhawk

IF the money goes to research is the big question though. So many charities take their cut first, for board members’ pay, advertising, “education”, etc, that by the time there’s any money to give, it’s a fraction of the original amount.

Why not find out where the research is being done and donate directly instead? Cut out the middle man as it were. Or donate directly to local hospitals treating those diseases, to help pay families’ medical bills?

There’s also a bullying aspect to this too, like if you don’t give you’re an asshole. What if you really have no disposable income right now? Or what if you have your own cause that you’re passionate about? And maybe you just donate and help and don’t advertise it all over the place. I’m glad the ALS foundation has raised so much, I just hope large chunks of that money aren’t being skimmed off the top.

62 ObserverArt  Aug 23, 2014 5:12:31am

re: #60 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Articles have pointed out that Paul Ryan, who cut funding for ALS research, was happy to take the challenge. What a dick.

I see he has also released a book. Does that signal he is going to try a run for president in ‘16?

Good luck with that. He will get eaten alive…most likely by someone like Rand Paul* because Paul is a squirrel and is a quicker thinker in a debate.

I’ve notice Ryan is only good when he can stick to what he wants to talk about with no real objection. So, I don’t see him even getting out of the GOP process.

* I’m no Rand Paul fan, but I do realize he is fast on his feet. So much so he was able to take a bite of a burger and get away from the prying questions of a dreamer before anyone knew what was up. That quick…slick.

63 Dr. Matt  Aug 23, 2014 5:13:47am

re: #60 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Articles have pointed out that Paul Ryan, who cut funding for ALS research, was happy to take the challenge. What a dick.

Ever since the GOPTP took over the House in 2010, budgetary funding to the NIH has been reduced or stagnant. This is a terrible climate for medical research in the US. Scientists are leaving academia and NFP research institutions like rats fleeing a sinking ship. I’ve seen talented and senior researchers leave for industry or head abroad. Kids finishing up their doctorates are skipping post-docs to head to industry or leave research all together. These RWNJs are inflicting real and long-term damage to this country….a country that once was leader in the world in terms of research and scientific discovery.

64 lawhawk  Aug 23, 2014 5:18:39am

re: #61 A Mom Anon

The ALS Association gets a 4 star rating from Charity Navigator. 72.4% goes to program activities. 10% goes to administrative expenses, and 16% goes to fundraising activities. It could do better - it should do more to assure that the money goes to program activities (like research).

65 Dark_Falcon  Aug 23, 2014 5:19:01am

re: #60 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Articles have pointed out that Paul Ryan, who cut funding for ALS research, was happy to take the challenge. What a dick.

The cuts were part of the general reduction in government spending the House decided was essential. Especially now that funding for the Department of Veteran’s Affairs has been not simply ring-fenced but notably expanded (for good reason and with bipartisan support) some cuts need to be made elsewhere.

And if the Ice Bucket challenge has raised over $50 million, then there is enough private funding to scale back government funding somewhat this year.

66 Dark_Falcon  Aug 23, 2014 5:20:30am

Of course, the use I’d have for bucket of ice water is to immerse my still-messed-up lower right leg to reduce its being swollen.

67 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Aug 23, 2014 5:27:30am

re: #65 Dark_Falcon

The cuts were part of the general reduction in government spending the House decided was essential. Especially now that funding for the Department of Veteran’s Affairs has been not simply ring-fenced but notably expanded (for good reason and with bipartisan support) some cuts need to be made elsewhere.

No, they don’t.

Gov’t budgeting isn’t a zero sum game.

68 NJDhockeyfan  Aug 23, 2014 5:33:16am
69 William Barnett-Lewis  Aug 23, 2014 5:34:02am

re: #65 Dark_Falcon

The cuts were part of the general reduction in government spending the House decided was essential. Especially now that funding for the Department of Veteran’s Affairs has been not simply ring-fenced but notably expanded (for good reason and with bipartisan support) some cuts need to be made elsewhere.

The house is, as always under the GOP, simply wrong. Investing in research is always a better use of money than wasting it on yet another DOD boondoggle. NASA, CDC, DARPA, and real basic research should be seeing huge increases if we want to have a nation still worth living in 50 to a 100 years from now.

But the greedheads in the house only want to fund those who pay them enough and to gut everything else because they want their nation without having to pay for it.

To paraphrase David Bowie, the shame is on the other side. But the rest of us can still be heroes, even if for only one day.

70 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Aug 23, 2014 5:37:05am

re: #65 Dark_Falcon

The cuts were part of the general reduction in government spending the House decided was essential. Especially now that funding for the Department of Veteran’s Affairs has been not simply ring-fenced but notably expanded (for good reason and with bipartisan support) some cuts need to be made elsewhere.

And if the Ice Bucket challenge has raised over $50 million, then there is enough private funding to scale back government funding somewhat this year.

Your arguments are valid, but they do not make Ryan any less of a hypocritical ass.

71 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Aug 23, 2014 5:38:12am

re: #69 William Barnett-Lewis

The house is, as always under the GOP, simply wrong. Investing in research is always a better use of money than wasting it on yet another DOD boondoggle. NASA, CDC, DARPA, and real basic research should be seeing huge increases if we want to have a nation still worth living in 50 to a 100 years from now.

But the greedheads in the house only want to fund those who pay them enough and to gut everything else because they want their nation without having to pay for it.

To paraphrase David Bowie, the shame is on the other side. But the rest of us can still be heroes, even if for only one day.

And AIDS research, because it is God’s punishment for teh gheys, etc…

72 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Aug 23, 2014 5:40:47am

re: #70 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Your arguments are valid, but they do not make Ryan any less of a hypocritical ass.

Actually, his arguments aren’t valid. Research does better with a steady stream of funds from a dependable source. What if there’s no ice bucket challenge next year? What about all the other diseases that require research to defeat?

Government does other good things besides provide security.

73 NJDhockeyfan  Aug 23, 2014 5:42:08am
74 lawhawk  Aug 23, 2014 5:44:52am

re: #72 Rev_Arthur_Belling

And Ryan had no way to know that the ALS Association and ALS research would get the boost it did with this challenge.

He would have been happy enough to see the cuts and not cared what happened down the road.

75 makeitstop  Aug 23, 2014 5:45:19am

re: #70 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Your arguments are valid, but they do not make Ryan any less of a hypocritical ass.

Actually, they’re not valid.

‘The House decided were essential?’ More like ‘The House looked at their donors list and didn’t see anyone representing ALS research.’

And why should any organization getting record donations be forced to give up government funding? What will happen next year when ALS doesn’t get $52 million in donations? Is the House going to restore funding to levels ALS would receive prior to this year’s windfall? Never.

As usual, conservative ideas may sound relatively sane on the surface, but when you stop and look at them for a minute you’ll see it’s the same old anti-science, mean-spirited bullshit.

76 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Aug 23, 2014 5:49:39am

re: #65 Dark_Falcon

Your party’s anti-science crusade is harming this nation in every possible way, from the economic to the national security. It is amazingly, fascinating, horribly stupid.

77 NJDhockeyfan  Aug 23, 2014 5:56:06am
78 Dark_Falcon  Aug 23, 2014 6:02:40am

re: #69 William Barnett-Lewis

There aren’t a lot of such boondoggles left, because so many have been cancelled (and don’t bring up the F-35, because we’ve already gone over that one here). But it has become necessary to pound the ‘Islamic State’ into the ground and the money for that has to come from somewhere.

79 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Aug 23, 2014 6:04:33am

re: #78 Dark_Falcon

There aren’t a lot of such boondoggles left, because so many have been cancelled (and don’t bring up the F-35, because we’ve already gone over that one here). But it has become necessary to pound the ‘Islamic State’ into the ground and the money for that has to come from somewhere.

More tax cuts for job creators!!!

80 NJDhockeyfan  Aug 23, 2014 6:04:40am
81 William Barnett-Lewis  Aug 23, 2014 6:10:01am

re: #78 Dark_Falcon

There aren’t a lot of such boondoggles left, because so many have been cancelled (and don’t bring up the F-35, because we’ve already gone over that one here). But it has become necessary to pound the ‘Islamic State’ into the ground and the money for that has to come from somewhere.

We’d have the money if it wasn’t for the economically ignorant tax cuts that the greedy have forced on the nation. If you really can’t find the money elsewhere, stand down at least one carrier task force permanently. We have utterly no need for 10 with 3 building. Personally I’d say let CVN-68 to 71 follow the lead of CV-66.

82 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Aug 23, 2014 6:11:03am

re: #78 Dark_Falcon

There aren’t a lot of such boondoggles left, because so many have been cancelled (and don’t bring up the F-35, because we’ve already gone over that one here). But it has become necessary to pound the ‘Islamic State’ into the ground and the money for that has to come from somewhere.

Which has nothing to do with why the GOP didn’t fund ALS research several years ago. Keep moving those goal posts.

Also, your understanding of the workings of federal budgets and a reserve currency leave a lot to be desired.

83 Timothy Watson  Aug 23, 2014 6:13:34am

Uh, at the risk of offending someone, WTF?

84 Alyosha  Aug 23, 2014 6:18:54am

re: #78 Dark_Falcon

There aren’t a lot of such boondoggles left, because so many have been cancelled (and don’t bring up the F-35, because we’ve already gone over that one here). But it has become necessary to pound the ‘Islamic State’ into the ground and the money for that has to come from somewhere.

Would it help if research for the cure of ALS helped conceive of better ways to kill people? There’s enough waste in the defense budget that cuts to any research shouldn’t become necessary.

85 sattv4u2  Aug 23, 2014 6:20:49am

re: #77 NJDhockeyfan

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I remember someone else doing that

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86 NJDhockeyfan  Aug 23, 2014 6:21:58am
87 lawhawk  Aug 23, 2014 6:22:45am

re: #83 Timothy Watson

The movie theater had moved for summary judgment to dismiss the cases by patrons against the theater for the injuries sustained during the Aurora mass shooting.

The judge denied the motion, which allows the case to move forward on the merits.

It speaks to the current climate of whether public places - places like malls, movie theaters, supermarkets, etc., have a duty of care/responsibility for the safety from mass casualty attacks, even though these particular kinds of events are exceedingly uncommon.

This particular judge found that it’s a question for a jury.

88 Dark_Falcon  Aug 23, 2014 6:26:59am

re: #83 Timothy Watson

Uh, at the risk of offending someone, WTF?

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It’s a bad decision, to be sure. Effective anti-‘active shooter’ measures are fairly unpleasant and involve things like metal detectors and armed guards.

The problem here is that James Holmes can into the theater unarmed, propping open a one-way exit door and then using it to get back in with his murder weapons. How was the theater supposed to guard against that at a reasonable cost?

89 Timothy Watson  Aug 23, 2014 6:29:09am

re: #88 Dark_Falcon

It’s a bad decision, to be sure. Effective anti-‘active shooter’ measures are fairly unpleasant and involve things like metal detectors and armed guards.

The problem here is that James Holmes can into the theater unarmed, propping open a one-way exit door and then using it to get back in with his murder weapons. How was the theater supposed to guard against that at a reasonable cost?

With sentries in urban camo, armed with AR-15s, spotting night-vision goggles?

90 sattv4u2  Aug 23, 2014 6:32:17am

re: #86 NJDhockeyfan

heh

“tuition to Harvard,,, $420.00 per year”

I just paid that much for books/ class materials for one of my sons courses for this semester !!

91 NJDhockeyfan  Aug 23, 2014 6:33:44am
92 Timothy Watson  Aug 23, 2014 6:35:11am

re: #91 NJDhockeyfan

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Flips desk, sets it on fire?

93 sattv4u2  Aug 23, 2014 6:35:57am

re: #91 NJDhockeyfan

There’s a (or many) banana jokes in there somewhere

94 lawhawk  Aug 23, 2014 6:36:04am

re: #92 Timothy Watson

95 Ryan King  Aug 23, 2014 6:36:57am

The Bushmeat Epidemic!

96 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Aug 23, 2014 6:37:10am

re: #91 NJDhockeyfan

So now Newsweek is just for trolling. Good to know.

97 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Aug 23, 2014 6:37:47am

Hard to spot, especially if it is shaved bushmeat…

98 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Aug 23, 2014 6:38:11am

re: #97 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Hard to spot, especially if it is shaved bushmeat…

That would be Brazilian bushmeat? ////

99 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Aug 23, 2014 6:39:17am

re: #98 Rev_Arthur_Belling

That would be Brazilian bushmeat? ////

No, Brazilian is just trimmed to a thin strip…

100 lawhawk  Aug 23, 2014 6:40:14am

re: #97 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Hard to spot, especially if it is shaved bushmeat…

Waxing poetic. Waning importance [of Newsweek]

101 sattv4u2  Aug 23, 2014 6:40:26am

re: #97 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

re: #98 Rev_Arthur_Belling

And people laugh at me for insisting on only domestic road kill!!

HEY ,,, if I can’t follow the blood trail on the street to the carcass,, I ain’t cooking it
/

102 Alyosha  Aug 23, 2014 6:41:18am

re: #91 NJDhockeyfan

I saw the ‘Post Post Racial America’ above the banner and the picture of the chimp before I scrolled down. For a split second I expected one of the most racist Newsweek headlines ever lol

103 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Aug 23, 2014 6:42:55am

re: #102 Alyosha

I saw the ‘Post Post Racial America’ above the banner and the picture of the chimp before I scrolled down. For a split second I expected one of the most racist Newsweek headlines ever lol

Monkeywhistle…

104 sattv4u2  Aug 23, 2014 6:45:56am

re: #103 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Monkeywhistle…

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105 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Aug 23, 2014 6:46:07am

re: #101 sattv4u2

And people laugh at me for insisting on only domestic road kill!!

HEY ,,, if I can’t follow the blood trail on the street to the carcass,, I ain’t cooking it
/

mmm. Gumbo! :D

106 Dark_Falcon  Aug 23, 2014 6:50:32am

re: #89 Timothy Watson

With sentries in urban camo, armed with AR-15s, spotting night-vision goggles?

I don’t think the judge would go that far, but as Lawhawk points out it was a summary judgement motion the judge was ruling on. Essentially the company that owns the theater argued “Even if everything the plaintiffs are arguing is true, we do not have any liability because we could not have reasonably foreseen that some nutcase would try to shoot the theater up to satisfy some deranged fantasy.”

The judge said that it is perhaps possible that the theater could have done more, and so denied the motion.

Also remember that this civil case is unlikely to go to trial. It was worth it for the company to try for summary judgement, since that would have allowed them to avoid any liability. But with that motion lost, they’ll likely settle.

107 Dark_Falcon  Aug 23, 2014 6:53:57am

re: #103 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Monkeywhistle…

There’s no monkey on that cover. That creature is a chimpanzee. The difference is important, since like humans chimps sometimes kill monkeys for the sport of it.

108 sattv4u2  Aug 23, 2014 6:54:37am

re: #107 Dark_Falcon

There’s no monkey on that cover. That creature is a chimpanzee. The difference is important, since like humans chimps sometimes kill monkeys for the sport of it.

I’ve never killed a monkey for the sport of it!!!

109 darthstar  Aug 23, 2014 6:56:06am

re: #108 sattv4u2

I’ve never killed a monkey for the sport of it!!!

Poo flinger.

110 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Aug 23, 2014 6:56:09am

re: #108 sattv4u2

I’ve never killed a monkey for the sport of it!!!

There’s a monkey and typewriter joke in here somewhere, but It’s too early in the morning for me to reach for it.

111 Ryan King  Aug 23, 2014 6:57:13am

I didn’t come from no Bonobo.

112 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Aug 23, 2014 6:58:00am

re: #111 Ryan King

I didn’t come from no Bonobo.

That’s what she said /////

113 darthstar  Aug 23, 2014 6:59:52am

Can we get back to talking about shaved bushmeat?

114 darthstar  Aug 23, 2014 7:00:39am

Saturday mornings here can be quite educational.

115 William Barnett-Lewis  Aug 23, 2014 7:01:11am

re: #111 Ryan King

I didn’t come from no Bonobo.

Oh, it would be a far different world, and probably better, if H. Sapiens were more similar to Pan paniscus than to Pan troglodytes…

116 Lancelot Link  Aug 23, 2014 7:01:34am

re: #110 Rev_Arthur_Belling

There’s a monkey and typewriter joke in here somewhere, but It’s too early in the morning for me to reach for it.

Million Monkey March to demand Shakespeare royalties!

117 Ryan King  Aug 23, 2014 7:02:55am

re: #113 darthstar

Can we get back to talking about shaved bushmeat?

It might make good poke`

118 sattv4u2  Aug 23, 2014 7:03:22am

and on that note, the long quiet drive home beckons

wonder what tasty carcass I’ll hit on the way!!

119 darthstar  Aug 23, 2014 7:04:16am

re: #118 sattv4u2

and on that note, the long quiet drive home beckons

wonder what tasty carcass I’ll hit on the way!!

Swinging by the back of the animal testing facility on the way home again?

120 Dark_Falcon  Aug 23, 2014 7:04:16am

re: #115 William Barnett-Lewis

Oh, it would be a far different world, and probably better, if H. Sapiens were more similar to Pan paniscus than to Pan troglodytes…

I disagree. We’re violent like chimps, but we’re also competitive, always seeking out an edge over nature or the competition. And its that seeking out an edge that has given humans their technology.

121 lawhawk  Aug 23, 2014 7:05:51am

re: #113 darthstar

Oh… really?

122 William Barnett-Lewis  Aug 23, 2014 7:09:52am

re: #120 Dark_Falcon

I disagree. We’re violent like chimps, but we’re also competitive, always seeking out an edge over nature or the competition. And its that seeking out an edge that has given humans their technology.

Competition can be expressed in more ways than the violent, DF. I do believe there was a part time carpenter & rabbi who thought that at least…

123 Alyosha  Aug 23, 2014 7:12:17am

re: #120 Dark_Falcon

I disagree. We’re violent like chimps, but we’re also competitive, always seeking out an edge over nature or the competition. And its that seeking out an edge that has given humans their technology.

I’m so thankful for our industrial-scale warfare. Pretty sure every species is only successful because they compete effectively. A Homo paniscus would at least have a Pope in favour of ghey seks.

124 William Barnett-Lewis  Aug 23, 2014 7:17:29am

re: #121 lawhawk

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Oh… really?

Nice. Though I do think after Skyfall, the new Moneypenny is my choice in the Bond universe.

125 Dark_Falcon  Aug 23, 2014 7:21:05am

re: #122 William Barnett-Lewis

Competition can be expressed in more ways than the violent, DF. I do believe there was a part time carpenter & rabbi who thought that at least…

It had to start with hunting and survival though. But there’s also the fact that my own personality would not exist had some larger, more intelligent species evolved from bonobos instead of from chimps.

I’m not going to happily speculate about events following a course that would have lead to me not existing.

126 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Aug 23, 2014 7:23:48am

re: #125 Dark_Falcon

It had to start with hunting and survival though. But there’s also the fact that my own personality would not exist had some larger, more intelligent species evolved from bonobos instead of from chimps.

I’m not going to happily speculate about events following a course that would have lead to me not existing.

That makes no sense whatsoever.

127 William Barnett-Lewis  Aug 23, 2014 7:24:22am

re: #125 Dark_Falcon

It had to start with hunting and survival though. But there’s also the fact that my own personality would not exist had some larger, more intelligent species evolved from bonobos instead of from chimps.

I’m not going to happily speculate about events following a course that would have lead to me not existing.

Let us simply disagree about your soul not finding a place in this world. Even if the species were radically different, there would still be many personality niches to be filled in a planet of billions.

128 thedopefishlives  Aug 23, 2014 7:26:24am

Morning Lizardim.

129 Timothy Watson  Aug 23, 2014 7:33:00am

re: #124 William Barnett-Lewis

On Her Majesty’s Service Secret gets a lot of flak but Diana Rigg (and Telly Savalas too) make up for it.

130 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Aug 23, 2014 7:35:59am

James Bond was Sean Connery. Roger Moore, maybe. But nobody after that.

131 Timothy Watson  Aug 23, 2014 7:42:14am

re: #130 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

James Bond was Sean Connery. Roger Moore, maybe. But nobody after that.

I’m not a fan of the Moore films, too much camp, but that might be a generational thing.

My favorite Moore film is For Your Eyes Only, probably because it’s his darkest and most serious outing.

132 William Barnett-Lewis  Aug 23, 2014 7:45:45am

re: #130 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

James Bond was Sean Connery. Roger Moore, maybe. But nobody after that.

Craig is actually my favorite by a tiny sliver over Connery. There is a darkness, an edge to the character that both embody but I think Craig pulled off the opening of Casino Royale even better than Connery at his finest (The Molly Maguires forex). Both can pretend to be suave but the iron fist is barely covered by the tuxedo, much less a velvet glove.

Moore was fun. And that’s his weakness as Bond. I enjoyed those movies - I will always love Moore’s Moonraker -but none of them are in the same ballpark as the Craig “Bond Origin Trilogy”. He remain’s The Saint. Not Bond. When played right Bond is a very different creature from The Saint and it’s good to have both in the world.

133 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Aug 23, 2014 7:47:28am

re: #132 William Barnett-Lewis

Craig is actually my favorite by a tiny sliver over Connery. There is a darkness, an edge to the character that both embody but I think Craig pulled off the opening of Casino Royale even better than Connery at his finest (The Molly Maguires forex). Both can pretend to be suave but the iron fist is barely covered by the tuxedo, much less a velvet glove.

I refuse to even look at Daniel Craig as James Bond. Was never a big fan in the first place, but he put me right off the figure, sorta like when Sammy Hagar took over in Van Halen…

134 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Aug 23, 2014 7:50:44am

re: #133 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

I refuse to even look at Daniel Craig as James Bond. Was never a big fan in the first place, but he put me right off the figure, sorta like when Sammy Hagar took over in Van Halen…

Ok, nothing is like Sammy Hagar taking over in Van Halen ;)

135 darthstar  Aug 23, 2014 7:51:40am

You see? Bond women! What an awesome topic.

136 William Barnett-Lewis  Aug 23, 2014 7:54:10am

re: #133 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

I refuse to even look at Daniel Craig as James Bond. Was never a big fan in the first place, but he put me right off the figure, sorta like when Sammy Hagar took over in Van Halen…

Van Hagar only exists in comic books where they watch Highlander, Aliens & Matrix sequels that were never made in the real universe.

137 darthstar  Aug 23, 2014 7:55:46am

Performance artist poses as murder victim, people take selfies with him.

mic.com

138 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 23, 2014 7:56:55am

Well, you don’t see this every day:
Driver Charged in I-79 Crash that Involved Drugs, Guns and Live Chickens

Roane County Sheriff’s Deputies tell wsaz.com Grim told investigators he was heading south near the Amma exit when his dog tried to get out of vehicle, causing him to lose control. The crash was reported just after 4 a.m. Friday.
Deputies say Grim was hauling 35 live chickens in the vehicle. When they arrived on scene several of them were out of the vehicle.
When investigators searched the vehicle, deputies say they found weapons and what they call a “questionable” item. That’s when they called a bomb tech from Williamson to the scene to investigate.
Troopers tell wsaz.com marijuana, guns and improvised devices were taken from the vehicle.

139 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Aug 23, 2014 7:59:35am

re: #138 Backwoods_Sleuth

Well, you don’t see this every day:
Driver Charged in I-79 Crash that Involved Drugs, Guns and Live Chickens

35 live chickens in the vehicle.

o_0

140 William Barnett-Lewis  Aug 23, 2014 7:59:35am

re: #138 Backwoods_Sleuth

Well, you don’t see this every day:
Driver Charged in I-79 Crash that Involved Drugs, Guns and Live Chickens

Now why doesn’t Law and Order use something like _THAT_ for it’s ripped from the headlines schlock?

141 darthstar  Aug 23, 2014 8:03:54am
142 Dark_Falcon  Aug 23, 2014 8:04:50am

re: #140 William Barnett-Lewis

Now why doesn’t Law and Order use something like _THAT_ for it’s ripped from the headlines schlock?

Dick Wolf tried that but NBC told him that his script laid an egg.

143 William Barnett-Lewis  Aug 23, 2014 8:06:40am

re: #142 Dark_Falcon

Dick Wolf tried that but NBC told him that his script laid an egg.

Youtube Video

144 Dark_Falcon  Aug 23, 2014 8:10:56am

re: #143 William Barnett-Lewis

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Video

Good vid but some of the suggested follow-ons are fowl.

145 William Barnett-Lewis  Aug 23, 2014 8:16:00am

re: #144 Dark_Falcon

Good vid but some of the suggested follow-ons are fowl.

That’s what I get for not becoming a Friar Minor… ;)

146 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Aug 23, 2014 8:16:51am

re: #145 William Barnett-Lewis

re: #144 Dark_Falcon

Oh Gawd, not with the chicken puns! Anything but that!

147 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Aug 23, 2014 8:17:20am

Tried to make a chicken pun but could not pullet off.

148 thedopefishlives  Aug 23, 2014 8:17:36am

re: #146 Rev_Arthur_Belling

Oh Gawd, not with the chicken puns! Anything but that!

What? It’s just a few little nuggets of fun in our derp-filled day.

149 William Barnett-Lewis  Aug 23, 2014 8:17:49am

re: #146 Rev_Arthur_Belling

Oh Gawd, not with the chicken puns! Anything but that!

Buck up man…

150 Dark_Falcon  Aug 23, 2014 8:24:32am

re: #141 darthstar

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In that vein:

The Ferguson Police Have No Idea How to Deal With Journalists
And the journos aren’t making it any easier

Just after 1:00 AM on Aug. 19, there was a moment of panic when law enforcement on West Florissant Avenue—the flashpoint of the protests in Ferguson, Missouri—corralled journalists into their designated “playpen.”

Protesters seeking cover from the cops fled into the swarm of photographers. A standoff followed as, for half an hour, the press and the police stared at each other across the street, neither camp knowing quite what to do.

Several photographers standing next to me put on gas masks. It seemed possible the police might fire military-grade tear gas into our group, even if we were press. Cops already have arrested 14 journalists in Ferguson.

But last night the police demurred. They seem to have figured out—albeit a bit late—that all those beautiful photos of peaceful protesters in shrouds of harmful smoke were making law enforcement look bad.

Eventually officers—wielding shotguns with LESS LETHAL stamped on their stocks—stormed into the press area and made several arrests, dragging protesters out before handcuffing them face-down on the ground.

Two photos, with their captions:

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“Less lethal.” Curtis Wallen photo

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Protestor and cops. Curtis Wallen photo

151 Dark_Falcon  Aug 23, 2014 8:32:00am

re: #150 Dark_Falcon

The rifle seen slung on the cop on the left in the second photo is an M4 carbine type AR-15. And its that plus the uniforms they are wearing that should really bring the realities of what’s been going on in Ferguson home.

152 Kid A  Aug 23, 2014 8:38:47am

Last night, my cousin in New Orleans texted me about the Ferguson shooting. This cousin, by the way, blames the entire 2008 market crash on Barney Frank, so you can probably guess his opinion(s) on Ferguson. Anyway, it went something like this:

1.) He kept calling the cop Rusty, and “Rusty” had been a cop for 20 years.
2.) The cop knew about the “robbery”. Yeah, the cigars.
3.) Brown “attacked” the cop.
4.) The “attack” caused the orbital fracture.

Thanks, Dim Jim.

153 William Barnett-Lewis  Aug 23, 2014 8:43:26am

re: #151 Dark_Falcon

The rifle seen slung on the cop on the left in the second photo is an M4 carbine type AR-15. And its that plus the uniforms they are wearing that should really bring the realities of what’s been going on in Ferguson home.

No officer in that place should be carrying anything other than a sidearm and a riot baton - and even then they need MAJOR retraining on how to properly employ the riot baton. Second day, I think, I commented that if I had, as a trained National Guard NCO, carried a baton the way the St. Louis Cty PD did when deployed for riot control, I’d have gotten an Article 15.

For the non-military that’s a non-judicial form of punishment that can take one months pay AND reduce you by one rank.

An M4? That should be in the squad car’s trunk under lock and seal unless otherwise ordered by, at minimum, the state governor.

154 Skip Intro  Aug 23, 2014 8:53:24am

Chuckles Johnson’s suit to open any juvenile records of Michael Brown.

Scribd Document

155 Dark_Falcon  Aug 23, 2014 8:57:06am

re: #153 William Barnett-Lewis

No officer in that place should be carrying anything other than a sidearm and a riot baton - and even then they need MAJOR retraining on how to properly employ the riot baton. Second day, I think, I commented that if I had, as a trained National Guard NCO, carried a baton the way the St. Louis Cty PD did when deployed for riot control, I’d have gotten an Article 15.

For the non-military that’s a non-judicial form of punishment that can take one months pay AND reduce you by one rank.

An M4? That should be in the squad car’s trunk under lock and seal unless otherwise ordered by, at minimum, the state governor.

As for your first point, I’d reply that I can see the point of having a shotgun used to deploy less lethal rounds, but I’m not fond of the idea. That shotgun is a Remington 870 (the SLCPD’s shotguns are ID’d here), and any ‘Less Lethal’ labeling on it is just that, labeling. In and of itself, its not problematic for the police to have such a shotgun, heck my dad owns that model of shotgun. But it is quite capable of deploying lethal rounds and 12-gauge buckshot rounds are widely available in Missouri and Illinois. In my view a different system should be used for delivering less lethal rounds in a situation such as Ferguson.

As for your second point, I will concur with it by posting this:

Even the Army’s Crowd Control Rulebook Says Ferguson Police Tactics Are Dumb
Just read military field manual FM 3-19.15

In regards to your third point, I’m going to partially agree with the proviso that its OK for the police to uncase their rifle if they come under fire or are facing demonstrators armed with firearms. That second is unlikely to be an issue in Missouri, but in Texas or Arizona it might well come up.

156 Gus  Aug 23, 2014 9:01:16am

Iceland raises volcano aviation warning to red

157 Dark_Falcon  Aug 23, 2014 9:01:43am

re: #154 Skip Intro

Chuckles Johnson’s suit to open any juvenile records of Michael Brown.

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Which is absolutely irrelevant to the case. Officer Wilson had no knowledge of who Michael Brown was when he decided to pull up to him and his friend. Unless such a record contained an assault on a police officer or security guard, it’s inadmissible in court.

158 Gus  Aug 23, 2014 9:02:56am
159 William Barnett-Lewis  Aug 23, 2014 9:06:05am

re: #157 Dark_Falcon

Which is absolutely irrelevant to the case. Officer Wilson had no knowledge of who Michael Brown was when he decided to pull up to him and his friend. Unless such a record contained an assault on a police officer or security guard, it’s inadmissible in court.

Even then, I believe, since it was a juvenile record they would have to show direct relevance to the current case - that he assaulted Wilson for example. This may only reflect Wisconsin case law, however.

160 Rightwingconspirator  Aug 23, 2014 9:07:16am

re: #155 Dark_Falcon

re: #153 William Barnett-Lewis

After the big North Hollywood heist, LAPD upped the firepower and rightly so. But you did not see any of that deployed at Occupy, nor any heavy vehicles. Well except those officers that ditched the 9mm for a bigger caliber pistol I suppose. .40 got popular.

Our LA riot response units look more like a bunch of motorcycle cops in a skirmish line. Style of helmet, uniform etc. Clear shield and batons. “Grenade launchers” in 25mm (I think) for CS and smoke cartridges. Also paintball guns with pepper spray ammunition. LA Sheriffs, same deal.

It’s one thing to have the heavier gear. It’s a policy and management fail to drag out overkill or inappropriate equipment.

We don’t see Calfire or LAFD using water dropping aircraft of trash can fires, now do we. Heh, I’m thinking that big modified airliner that drops fire retardant zooming in at a trash bin in Encino….

161 Dark_Falcon  Aug 23, 2014 9:11:06am

re: #159 William Barnett-Lewis

Even then, I believe, since it was a juvenile record they would have to show direct relevance to the current case - that he assaulted Wilson for example. This may only reflect Wisconsin case law, however.

How about my other post? Was that on-target?

162 William Barnett-Lewis  Aug 23, 2014 9:12:37am

re: #160 Rightwingconspirator

Way OT, but you and DF will appreciate what I’m picking up next week:

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Of course, it would probably qualify as an ebil assualt rifle under CA law given the 15 round mag (gasp) and bayonet lug (clutch pearls!) and history of use by Blah Terrorists… :) but it’ll make a nice paring with my Rock Island 1911 nevertheless …

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163 Gus  Aug 23, 2014 9:12:59am

#bardarbunga

Still in watch mode.

164 William Barnett-Lewis  Aug 23, 2014 9:13:25am

re: #161 Dark_Falcon

How about my other post? Was that on-target?

Yes, I’d say it was bang on… ;)

165 Gus  Aug 23, 2014 9:14:52am
166 Kid A  Aug 23, 2014 9:15:10am
167 Dark_Falcon  Aug 23, 2014 9:15:44am

re: #160 Rightwingconspirator

After the big North Hollywood heist, LAPD upped the firepower and rightly so. But you did not see any of that deployed at Occupy, nor any heavy vehicles. Well except those officers that ditched the 9mm for a bigger caliber pistol I suppose. .40 got popular.

Our LA riot response units looks more like a bunch of motorcycle cops in a skirmish line. Style of helmet, uniform etc. Clear shield and batons. “Grenade launchers” in 25mm (I think) for CS and smoke cartridges. Also paintball guns with pepper spray ammunition. LA Sheriffs, same deal.

It’s one thing to have the heavier gear. It’s a policy and management fail to drag out overkill or inappropriate equipment.

We don’t see Calfire or LAFD using water dropping aircraft of trash can fires, now do we. Heh, I’m thinking that big modified airliner that drops fire retardant zooming in at a trash bin in Encino….

My personal favorite aircraft used for that duty is the A-26 Invader. But that’s mostly because of its combat history. But I don’t think it should be outfitted with its machine gun nose when doing so. Though if you were dropping canisters of flame retardant chemicals, the glass nose and Norden bombsight might be useful. ;)

168 ObserverArt  Aug 23, 2014 9:16:14am

re: #120 Dark_Falcon

I disagree. We’re violent like chimps, but we’re also competitive, always seeking out an edge over nature or the competition. And its that seeking out an edge that has given humans their technology.

And with that technology we still maintained our violence, thereby becoming the most dangerous animal on the planet to other animals, other humans and the planet itself.

169 William Barnett-Lewis  Aug 23, 2014 9:16:59am

re: #166 Kid A

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That’s appropriate for him. What a twit.

170 Dark_Falcon  Aug 23, 2014 9:18:29am

re: #162 William Barnett-Lewis

Way OT, but you and DF will appreciate what I’m picking up next week:

Image: DSC_0024.JPG

Of course, it would probably qualify as an ebil assualt rifle under CA law given the 15 round mag (gasp) and bayonet lug (clutch pearls!) and history of use by Blah Terrorists… :) but it’ll make a nice paring with my Rock Island 1911 nevertheless …

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The M1 Cabine would actually be legal for both RWC and myself without the bayonet lug. As for the 15-round mag, it would be legal for me to own but not for him.

171 William Barnett-Lewis  Aug 23, 2014 9:18:52am

re: #167 Dark_Falcon

My personal favorite aircraft used for that duty is the A-26 Intruder. But that’s mostly because of its combat history. But I don’t think it should be outfitted with its machine gun nose when doing so. Though if you were dropping canisters of flame retardant chemicals, the glass nose and Norden bombsight might be useful. ;)

Nope. Mars remains the coolest water bomber ever…

Martin JRM Mars that is…

en.wikipedia.org

172 Dark_Falcon  Aug 23, 2014 9:20:35am

re: #169 William Barnett-Lewis

That’s appropriate for him. What a twit.

I wouldn’t give that idiot an air rifle. He might put someone else’s eye out with it. That’s a person who should be denied a CCW on grounds of “Insufficient Contact With Reality”.

173 b_sharp  Aug 23, 2014 9:23:54am

re: #156 Gus

Iceland raises volcano aviation warning to red

And just what is wrong with tomato or even salmon?

174 William Barnett-Lewis  Aug 23, 2014 9:24:21am

re: #172 Dark_Falcon

I wouldn’t give that idiot an air rifle. He might put someone else’s eye out with it. That’s a person who should be denied a CCW on grounds of “Insufficient Contact With Reality”.

That’s probably the best backhand reference to Christmas Story I’ve seen… :LOL:

175 Dark_Falcon  Aug 23, 2014 9:24:58am

re: #171 William Barnett-Lewis

Nope. Mars remains the coolest water bomber ever…

Martin JRM Mars that is…

en.wikipedia.org

I still favor the A-26. Flying boats are big overwater trucks. The Invader is something sleek and fast:

Image: A26-2%5B1%5D.jpg

176 Gus  Aug 23, 2014 9:25:03am
177 Dark_Falcon  Aug 23, 2014 9:25:36am

re: #174 William Barnett-Lewis

That’s probably the best backhand reference to Christmas Story I’ve seen… :LOL:

Thanks but it wasn’t a movie reference. I thought it up all by myself.

178 Dark_Falcon  Aug 23, 2014 9:26:03am

re: #177 Dark_Falcon

Thanks but it wasn’t a movie reference. I thought it up all by myself.

I actually do not remember that movie.

179 Gus  Aug 23, 2014 9:26:40am
180 ninja cat  Aug 23, 2014 9:26:41am

re: #154 Skip Intro

Chuckles Johnson’s suit to open any juvenile records of Michael Brown.

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#46 Plantiff will suffer irreparable harm if Defendents are not to produce Brown’s complete juvenile records

Butthurt.

181 b.d.  Aug 23, 2014 9:27:51am

re: #166 Kid A

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Great, so now we are going to get a GOFUNDME page from Chuck C Johnson to not only pay for his CC liscense class but to also buy a handgun.

182 William Barnett-Lewis  Aug 23, 2014 9:28:13am

re: #175 Dark_Falcon

I still favor the A-26. Flying boats are big overwater trucks. The Invader is something sleek and fast:

Image: A26-2%5B1%5D.jpg

Her older sister, the A-20, was sexier to me but I get where you’re coming from. Just make it a “C” model before she got the unneeded turret weighing her down.

183 William Barnett-Lewis  Aug 23, 2014 9:29:56am

re: #178 Dark_Falcon

I actually do not remember that movie.

Ah. Bad Christmas movie set in the “old days” where the protagonist is a kid who wants, badly, a Daisy for Christmas but his mother say’s he’ll “shoot your eye out” with it. I don’t care for the film though it is very popular.

184 Skip Intro  Aug 23, 2014 9:31:26am

re: #180 ninja cat

#46 Plantiff will suffer irreparable harm if Defendents are not to produce Brown’s complete juvenile records

Butthurt.

Yeah, that’s the part that got me, too.

185 Dark_Falcon  Aug 23, 2014 9:33:14am

re: #182 William Barnett-Lewis

Her older sister, the A-20, was sexier to me but I get where you’re coming from. Just make it a “C” model before she got the unneeded turret weighing her down.

The A-26 had the standard twin .50 cal top turret. Given it’s use as a formation ‘lead ship’ it needed it. US medium and heavy bombers were controlled by the bombardier during the critical phase of the bomb run and had to fly straight and level. Such bombers needed a top turret to defend against enemy fighters at such a time.

186 b.d.  Aug 23, 2014 9:33:22am

re: #180 ninja cat

#46 Plantiff will suffer irreparable harm if Defendents are not to produce Brown’s complete juvenile records

Butthurt.

I already told everybody I could get the records and now if you won’t let me have them I’ll never live it down

187 William Barnett-Lewis  Aug 23, 2014 9:33:29am

Hmm…

DF, you _want_ to go read this… The Truth About the MiG-29

“How U.S. intelligence services solved the mystery of a cold war killer.”

188 Dark_Falcon  Aug 23, 2014 9:35:12am

re: #181 b.d.

Great, so now we are going to get a GOFUNDME page from Chuck C Johnson to not only pay for his CC liscense class but to also buy a handgun.

How about using a GOFUNDME page to raise money to buy that schnook a clue instead?

189 Dark_Falcon  Aug 23, 2014 9:41:21am

re: #187 William Barnett-Lewis

Hmm…

DF, you _want_ to go read this… The Truth About the MiG-29

“How U.S. intelligence services solved the mystery of a cold war killer.”

Cool stuff. Though unlike the MiG-25, the MiG-29 at least proved to be upgradable, which is part of why the Russians are receiving a squadron’s worth of the newest variant this year.

190 Gus  Aug 23, 2014 9:45:17am
191 William Barnett-Lewis  Aug 23, 2014 9:45:56am

re: #189 Dark_Falcon

Cool stuff. Though unlike the MiG-25, the MiG-29 at least proved to be upgradable, which is part of why the Russians are receiving a squadron’s worth of the newest variant this year.

Also nice to see an open source acknowledgement of just how good the Archer was. :whistles:

192 Rightwingconspirator  Aug 23, 2014 9:46:32am

Well off topic…
Photographer Accused of Posting ‘Pornographic’ Photos of His 2-Year-Old, Here’s How He Responded

The public backlash of the images brought a hailstorm of critics who called them “perverse,” “sick” and “pornographic.” Specifically, a group from the website Get Off My Internets began verbally attacking Neumann for publishing these images after a forum thread drew more attention to the photos than he had ever anticipated.

Before long, members of the site sent out a plethora of complaints to both Facebook and Instagram and managed to get Neumann’s profiles suspended. Eventually reinstated, it was the broad criticism of both him and his daughter and the suspension of his accounts that lead Neumann to realize this was a matter of freedom of expression and the freedom of speech.

I did not copy in the most potentially controversial pics. The link provides. I think this guy got screwed by trolls online. Or are we in a place so overbearing that bath and other moments of innocent nudity by a child can’t be shared? In my view none of that is porn. Of course there are child predators that are aroused by the sight of children in almost any pose. Are we supposed to adjust our sensibilities by such a twisted and unhealthy standard? But hey take a look and tell me if you think any of that was child porn instead of innocence.

193 William Barnett-Lewis  Aug 23, 2014 9:51:31am

re: #192 Rightwingconspirator

Art is different than porn. Why. The. Fuck. is this so hard for people to fucking understand?

Look at some Jock Sturgis or a few others I can name. Or the freaking cover of the Blind Faith album? Feh. I can’t control other people’s personal perversion and _that_ is what ratfucks artists more often than their own perversions.

This is one of the reasons I stay with landscape work.

194 Gus  Aug 23, 2014 9:52:52am
195 sagehen  Aug 23, 2014 9:56:23am

I just saw the cutest thing, somebody has to write a rom-com about it.

There’s about a hundred dogs in my building, and people with day jobs use walkers for their mid-day weekday outs. Each walker has 4-7 at a time, they’re friendly with each other, do organized playgroups, etc. There’s two walkers in particular who’ve become very close lately, they either are or will soon be a couple, they spend their entire walks together… and just now, one of the poodles she walks and a french bulldog he walks introduced their owners to each other. The bouncing, wagging their whole bodies, twirling around each other and tangling their leashes, smoochy huggy (y’all have seen dog friends do that dance, right?), dragging on their leashes, would. not. let. the. owners. go their separate ways.

I sat on my bench, pretending to read my magazine and not eavesdrop, while the owners introduced themselves and laughed and decided to go together to a dog-friendly outdoor restaurant a few blocks away….

196 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Aug 23, 2014 9:56:31am

re: #192 Rightwingconspirator

We have sexualized nearly everything in our society and use sex to sell nearly everything from toothpaste to used cars, so it is no wonder that nudity, and breast feeding are seen in that light.

197 PhillyPretzel  Aug 23, 2014 9:57:08am

re: #194 Gus

That Iceland volcano again. It wants its 15 minutes of fame. //

198 ObserverArt  Aug 23, 2014 9:58:25am

re: #193 William Barnett-Lewis

Art is different than porn. Why. The. Fuck. is this so hard for people to fucking understand?

Look at some Jock Sturgis or a few others I can name. Or the freaking cover of the Blind Faith album? Feh. I can’t control other people’s personal perversion and _that_ is what ratfucks artists more often than their own perversions.

This is one of the reasons I stay with landscape work.

You know, I have always thought the sick and perverse ones are the ones that see a cute little kid scampering around nude as porn. What are they thinking to see it that way?

Back when many of us were younger there existed a lot photos of kids nude and parents and family always looked at those photos as innocent and fun. Sure they were embarrassing when you were older, but you never thought your parents and family were pedophiles.

It is very similar to how one Bryan Fischer sees everything as homosexual. I think it is Bryan that has the issues.

What are some of those crazy fundie Christian churches teaching anyway?

199 b_sharp  Aug 23, 2014 9:58:29am

re: #193 William Barnett-Lewis

Art is different than porn. Why. The. Fuck. is this so hard for people to fucking understand?

Look at some Jock Sturgis or a few others I can name. Or the freaking cover of the Blind Faith album? Feh. I can’t control other people’s personal perversion and _that_ is what ratfucks artists more often than their own perversions.

This is one of the reasons I stay with landscape work.

Those same people would be upset by naturists involving their kids in a naturist community.

200 Gus  Aug 23, 2014 9:58:55am

re: #197 PhillyPretzel

That Iceland volcano again. It wants its 15 minutes of fame. //

Bardarbunga is trolling us!

201 Gus  Aug 23, 2014 10:02:04am

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202 BeachDem  Aug 23, 2014 10:02:35am

re: #180 ninja cat

#46 Plantiff will suffer irreparable harm if Defendents are not to produce Brown’s complete juvenile records

Butthurt.

And, he also is asking for cash (of course.) I’m embarrassed for the lawyers who signed onto this—for both the content and the horrible spelling and grammar.

When ChuckyC first tweeted about his lawyer, he called him Jonathon Burns, the filing is signed by John C. Burns. He is listed as Jonathon Christian Burns . Weird.

203 sagehen  Aug 23, 2014 10:03:34am

re: #192 Rightwingconspirator

Some of them are beautiful pictures, he’s obviously a very talented photographer, but… I wouldn’t have wanted my parents sharing my baby pics around. (no I don’t think it’s porny, but it is personal family stuff.)

204 b.d.  Aug 23, 2014 10:04:02am

re: #192 Rightwingconspirator

Well off topic…
Photographer Accused of Posting ‘Pornographic’ Photos of His 2-Year-Old, Here’s How He Responded

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I did not copy in the most potentially controversial pics. The link provides. I think this guy got screwed by trolls online. Or are we in a place so overbearing that bath and other moments of innocent nudity by a child can’t be shared? In my view none of that is porn. Of course there are child predators that are aroused by the sight of children in almost any pose. Are we supposed to adjust our sensibilities by such a twisted and unhealthy standard? But hey take a look and tell me if you think any of that was child porn instead of innocence.

The only objectionable thing I can see in that photo is thinking that that asphalt may be very, very hot if the photo were taken late in the day.

205 BeachDem  Aug 23, 2014 10:06:31am

re: #58 Dark_Falcon

Expert testimony doesn’t come cheap. And it’s often vital for the defense in a murder case.

So are you saying that only wealthy people get to have vital defense in a murder case?

206 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Aug 23, 2014 10:07:11am

re: #198 ObserverArt

What are some of those crazy fundie Christian churches teaching anyway?

They are teaching us that we are inherently sinful and anything to do with bodies is shameful.

And we teach young people that sex is filthy and disgusting and that is why you are supposed to save it until marriage…

207 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Aug 23, 2014 10:10:04am

re: #68 NJDhockeyfan

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I won’t say what I’m hoping for.

208 William Barnett-Lewis  Aug 23, 2014 10:14:34am

re: #198 ObserverArt

What are some of those crazy fundie Christian churches teaching anyway?

They are teaching that Augustine, Jerome and the rest of the body hung up Romans were more correct than the Jewish attitudes of Jesus and even Paul. They seem to believe that if the body is controlled, only then is the mind.

Feh.

As you pray, so you believe. As you believe, so you live. If you actually believe in Christ Jesus, the Romans and those descended from them will not be very happy with you ;)

209 Dark_Falcon  Aug 23, 2014 10:15:44am

re: #198 ObserverArt

It’s not just ‘the body is sinful’ types. It’s also people who have been made paranoid by too many media stories about threats to their children consumed with too little critical thinking and research.

It’s also those who want to “burn a witch”. Hunting down a pedophile and seeing him convicted gives some people the same satisfaction hunting down and executing a ‘witch’ gave their ancestors in earlier times.

BBL

210 William Barnett-Lewis  Aug 23, 2014 10:17:19am

re: #207 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

I won’t say what I’m hoping for.

I try not to go there either. But the fantasies are … so… _pleasant_…

;)

211 William Barnett-Lewis  Aug 23, 2014 10:19:44am

re: #209 Dark_Falcon

It’s not just ‘the body is sinful’ types. It’s also people who have been made paranoid by too many media stories about threats to their children consumed with too little critical thinking and research.

It’s also those who want to “burn a witch”. Hunting down a pedophile and seeing him convicted gives some people the same satisfaction hunting down and executing a ‘witch’ gave their ancestors in earlier times.

BBL

“Pedo” true or false is a very easy way to essentially non-judicially execute someone’s reputation.

Always demand the most perfect evidence against the most vile of charges.

212 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Aug 23, 2014 10:19:51am

re: #210 William Barnett-Lewis

I try not to go there either. But the fantasies are … so… _pleasant_…

;)

213 Kid A  Aug 23, 2014 10:20:33am
214 Alyosha  Aug 23, 2014 10:21:19am

re: #209 Dark_Falcon

Hunting down and convicting pedophiles within the bounds of the legal system I would not myself compare to witch burning. There are people who take revenge fantasies a bit far, but to see a predator put away can evoke satisfaction of a kind that isn’t disproportionate. Otherwise you were spot on.

215 KingKenrod  Aug 23, 2014 10:22:46am

re: #46 goddamnedfrank

I’m not sure I have a real objection to the ALS Ice Bucket Challenge as such, but the article excerpt below goes a long way towards explaining why the whole thing strikes me as being slightly off.

I guess in an ideal world we wouldn’t need to exploit this kind of viral sociological fad in order to raise money for worthy causes, but this is far from an ideal world. The challenge does also smack heavily of slacktivism, people basically doing for the sake of being seen doing it. Instead of say just donating and then shutting the fuck up, or alternatively challenging / shaming other people into donating also without giving them an opportunity to basically chain letter their way out of it and feel good about themselves at the same time.

Most of those objections from the article are just wrong. Awareness IS money, even if some elements of slackerdom are more interested in the “look at me” moment rather than the giving. The results of this campaign speak for themselves.

And while choosing to dump the ice water does (by the “rules”) entitle you to give a smaller amount, it also entitles you to challenge other people, which will raise additional money, probably a lot more than the reduction in your own donation. Also I think (no proof) those who take the challenge probably wind up giving more than the minimum anyway. It’s not like the ALS police are going around checking everyone’s bank account.

216 becominginvisible  Aug 23, 2014 10:26:32am

re: #192 Rightwingconspirator

And continuing your off topic when I clicked on A Girl Called Jack blog to see what recipes she had posted her post was about her facebook page being removed. She received notice it was removed because it was pornographic. The joking was that it was only food porn but I would hazard a guess it’s that she offends fundie christians by raising her kids while being unmarried and lesbian.

217 ObserverArt  Aug 23, 2014 10:26:50am

re: #209 Dark_Falcon

It’s not just ‘the body is sinful’ types. It’s also people who have been made paranoid by too many media stories about threats to their children consumed with too little critical thinking and research.

It’s also those who want to “burn a witch”. Hunting down a pedophile and seeing him convicted gives some people the same satisfaction hunting down and executing a ‘witch’ gave their ancestors in earlier times.

BBL

And I’ve always seen those that like to burn witches as some sort of a hope the witch is a sacrifice to God to cover for their own shortcomings. Like they know of their own evil, and ‘helping’ to rid the society of those evils they are less evil themselves. Many times killing the innocent as they become more and more evil for having done so. Who is the wicked?

It does not work that way. And yet, they are taught God made them in His image and likeness, God created everything and God can see all. There must be a lot that this God created they think was wrong. And he can’t see their own actions.

(And that is what the Catholic education and rote teaching of the Baltimore Catechism did to me!)

218 Gus  Aug 23, 2014 10:26:57am

re: #213 Kid A

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219 ausador  Aug 23, 2014 10:28:53am

re: #199 b_sharp

Those same people would be upset by naturists involving their kids in a naturist community.

I only get upset about it when their pictures get spread all over tumbler, there are entire pages there dedicated to that type of content. Not to mention all the pages consisting of nothing but selfies of naked teenage girls. :(

(who puts photos of 12-15 year old naturalist beauty contests up online where these sickos can find them in the first place?)

220 William Barnett-Lewis  Aug 23, 2014 10:33:22am

re: #217 ObserverArt

And I’ve always seen those that like to burn witches as some sort of a hope the witch is a sacrifice to God to cover for their own shortcomings. Like they know of their own evil, and ‘helping’ to rid the society of those evils they are less evil themselves. Many times killing the innocent as they become more and more evil for having done so. Who is the wicked?

It does not work that way. And yet, they are taught God made them in His image and likeness, God created everything and God can see all. There must be a lot that this God created they think was wrong. And he can’t see their own actions.

(And that is what the Catholic education and rote teaching of the Baltimore Catechism did to me!)

Ah, I’ve little sympathy for Rome as a very high church Anglican/Episcopalian, but the Baltimore Catechism does little justice to Rome. Andrew Greeley (Chicago priest & author) did a good take on the topic in his “Bottom Line Catechism” which teaches something pretty close to what I could agree with but, alas, without impramenture.

221 William Barnett-Lewis  Aug 23, 2014 10:36:04am

re: #217 ObserverArt

And I’ve always seen those that like to burn witches as some sort of a hope the witch is a sacrifice to God to cover for their own shortcomings. Like they know of their own evil, and ‘helping’ to rid the society of those evils they are less evil themselves. Many times killing the innocent as they become more and more evil for having done so. Who is the wicked?

It does not work that way. And yet, they are taught God made them in His image and likeness, God created everything and God can see all. There must be a lot that this God created they think was wrong. And he can’t see their own actions.

(And that is what the Catholic education and rote teaching of the Baltimore Catechism did to me!)

Oh, the other thing to always remember if you believe - at every step in the creation of Genisis the only thing God says outside of creating the world and all that is in it? “it was very good!”

The fundy hate for God’s creation is irrelevant.

222 Kid A  Aug 23, 2014 10:36:30am

I don’t think Dim made it out of pre-K.

223 GlutenFreeJesus  Aug 23, 2014 10:37:00am

re: #166 Kid A

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224 ObserverArt  Aug 23, 2014 10:40:20am

re: #219 ausador

I only get upset about it when their pictures get spread all over tumbler, there are entire pages there dedicated to that type of content. Not to mention all the pages consisting of nothing but selfies of naked teenage girls. :(

I know what you are saying, and I agree. But I’ve always wondered if it is the image itself that is pornographic or is it the viewer and what they are seeing and how they are seeing it?

And that has always been a problem with all the arts. You don’t need nudity, or ‘bad’ words and all that to really make some people upset with an image, or song, book, etc. So, it is how they view something as to how they assign it goodness or evil intent.

One person looking at a painting as beautiful and the other all pissed off because they are reading in something they bring to the idea based on something they were taught and learned.

That is why I always cringe when people start to want to ban and prohibit. I can see some things needing it, but often we get all heavy-handed. A good example…look at the books that still get cut from certain school’s lists. Some of them have been on and off lists for decades.

But then again…some of the same people are still trying to rid the world of Charles Darwin. Ahhh…the acts of a church in God’s name!

And I hear some word work finish remover calling out it is ready for the coating to be removed. Back later…

225 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Aug 23, 2014 10:41:52am

re: #224 ObserverArt

I know what you are saying, and I agree. But I’ve always wondered if it is the image itself that is pornographic or is it the viewer and what they are seeing and how they are seeing it?

And that has always been a problem with all the arts. You don’t need nudity, or ‘bad’ words and all that to really make some people upset with an image, or song, book, etc. So, it is how they view something as to how they assign it goodness or evil intent.

One person looking at a painting as beautiful and the other all pissed off because they are reading in something they bring to the idea based on something they were taught and learned.

That is why I always cringe when people start to want to ban and prohibit. I can see some things needing it, but often we get all heavy-handed. A good example…look at the books that still get cut from certain school’s lists. Some of them have been on and off lists for decades.

But then again…some of the same people are still trying to rid the world of Charles Darwin. Ahhh…the acts of a church in God’s name!

And I hear some word work finish remover calling out it is ready for the coating to be removed. Back later…

Which Attorney General was it who wanted to shroud lady liberty?

226 ObserverArt  Aug 23, 2014 10:46:29am

re: #225 Rev_Arthur_Belling

Which Attorney General was it who wanted to shroud lady liberty?

Wasn’t that John Ashcroft??? Heck, it could have been Edwin Mees too. He had his war on porn under Ronnie RayGun.

227 Alyosha  Aug 23, 2014 10:47:17am

re: #225 Rev_Arthur_Belling

Ashcroft?

228 Targetpractice  Aug 23, 2014 10:48:39am

re: #225 Rev_Arthur_Belling

Which Attorney General was it who wanted to shroud lady liberty?

You’re thinking of John Ashcroft, but it wasn’t Lady Liberty. It was a statue of Justice that he wanted shrouded, on the grounds that it was “lewd.”

229 ObserverArt  Aug 23, 2014 10:48:41am

re: #227 Alyosha

Ashcroft?

We are in agreement. That must mean we are correct!

(Yeah, yeah…varnish removal!)

230 De Kolta Chair  Aug 23, 2014 10:50:51am

Wouldn’t be surprised if this hasn’t been posted here before, but nonetheless…

231 Rightwingconspirator  Aug 23, 2014 10:52:29am

This time it’s LAPD. A completely unnecessary loss of life.
New Page HT LA Times

232 Kid A  Aug 23, 2014 10:52:33am

Wonkette said she thought Dim called himself Gateway Pundit because of the computer he uses.

233 ObserverArt  Aug 23, 2014 10:52:48am

re: #228 Targetpractice

You’re thinking of John Ashcroft, but it wasn’t Lady Liberty. It was a statue of Justice that he wanted shrouded, on the grounds that it was “lewd.”

That’s it. Justice.

Think of the Justice in that, and just like my banned book list reference, that image of Justice has been around how long??? And at a time many years later one guy sees the evil in it and wants to speak for everyone. A perfect example.

(okay damn it…this is a good discuss…but entranceway wood IS calling)

234 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Aug 23, 2014 10:58:53am

re: #233 ObserverArt

re: #228 Targetpractice

Thanks for the clarification. I knew it was someone - liberty, freedom, justice. What an asshole.

235 Gus  Aug 23, 2014 10:59:08am

Still developing. Don’t pay attention to the “news” sites.

236 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Aug 23, 2014 11:00:21am

re: #235 Gus

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Still developing. Don’t pay attention to the “news” sites.

Good thing I’m not flying anywhere in the near future :)

237 stpaulbear  Aug 23, 2014 11:02:19am

re: #166 Kid A

So do we set up a betting pool as to who gets shot with CCJ’s gun first? Friend? Family member? CCJ? UPS delivery man? Child next door? Random PoC? Someone CCJ doesn’t even know about after he leaves the gun sitting out in his car and it gets stolen?

238 ausador  Aug 23, 2014 11:02:27am

re: #224 ObserverArt

But I’m not talking about art or the content of books.

I’m talking about pictures of very young girls, interspersed with pictures of explicit lesbian and straight sex acts by girls who are also of questionable age. Sure many were not taken as “pornographic content” especially those taken from naturalist sites. But the fact remains that they are now being presented solely for the purpose of masturbatory arousal.

239 William Barnett-Lewis  Aug 23, 2014 11:05:15am

Good “NIGHT” all. Time to go sleep for my night time. I’ll check in then.

240 BeachDem  Aug 23, 2014 11:05:31am

re: #228 Targetpractice

You’re thinking of John Ashcroft, but it wasn’t Lady Liberty. It was a statue of Justice that he wanted shrouded, on the grounds that it was “lewd.”

Later, not to be outwingnutted, Ken Cuccinelli felt Virginia’s state seal was a bit too risqué for his tender sensibilities.

hamptonroads.com

241 Targetpractice  Aug 23, 2014 11:05:43am

Apparently another anonymous family friend is telling the Washington Post that Wilson did indeed suffer an orbital fracture. And is repeating Wilson’s assertion that Brown was acting erratically, suggesting that he was on drugs when the altercation happened.

242 Targetpractice  Aug 23, 2014 11:06:29am

re: #240 BeachDem

Later, not to be outwingnutted, Ken Cuccinelli felt Virginia’s state seal was a bit too risqué for his tender sensibilities.

hamptonroads.com

Cucci is a nut. The fact that the man was ever seriously considered for the governor’s mansion is reason enough for me to question the sanity of many of my fellow Virginians.

243 Kid A  Aug 23, 2014 11:09:00am

re: #237 stpaulbear

$50 says the Smells kid picks his nose.

(Tell me ChuckyC doesn’t look like Spalding)

244 BeachDem  Aug 23, 2014 11:10:59am

re: #242 Targetpractice

Cucci is a nut. The fact that the man was ever seriously considered for the governor’s mansion is reason enough for me to question the sanity of many of my fellow Virginians.

I would feel sorry for you (I do, actually) but for the fact I live in South Carolina. Was working on a project a few years ago with somebody from Virginia—he was kind of shocked that I knew who Cucci was, being so far removed from VA. That’s when I knew I truly fit the definition of political nerd.

245 ausador  Aug 23, 2014 11:22:27am

re: #241 Targetpractice

Apparently another anonymous family friend is telling the Washington Post that Wilson did indeed suffer an orbital fracture. And is repeating Wilson’s assertion that Brown was acting erratically, suggesting that he was on drugs when the altercation happened.

Is this in addition to the one from Thursday? Can’t find aything on their site besides the report from then. Noticed that they have updated the post to remove the persons name now. The Post messed up apparently because now the article says the person did not wish to be named for fear of reprisal…Oops. :(

washingtonpost.com

246 wrenchwench  Aug 23, 2014 11:29:37am

Time for a niece break.

247 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Aug 23, 2014 11:30:22am

re: #246 wrenchwench

cutie!

248 Stanley Sea  Aug 23, 2014 11:33:41am

So Cute WW!

249 makeitstop  Aug 23, 2014 11:34:43am

OT: Mark Maron has a really, really good interview with Billy Gibbons from ZZ Top. It starts at the 11:00 mark, and it’s full of really cool stories.

250 wrenchwench  Aug 23, 2014 11:39:46am
251 BeachDem  Aug 23, 2014 11:43:13am

re: #246 wrenchwench

So damn cute!

252 Stanley Sea  Aug 23, 2014 11:45:21am

re: #250 wrenchwench

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Saw that this morning. Of course Sir Pat’s is the best one.

253 Charles Johnson  Aug 23, 2014 11:48:21am
254 lostlakehiker  Aug 23, 2014 11:49:56am

I’m looking at the “disparity index” for Ferguson, and I notice that the Hispanic index number is little different from the white number, and sometimes lower.

Going to the 2012 page for the link, 2012 data, I see that the “contraband hit rate” is 17.6 for black stops and 16.0 for white stops. That’s a disparity but a weak one and these kinds of numbers have some static in them so it doesn’t indicate much.

I also looked at the ratio of citation vs warning. Those proportions were pretty much the same for whites and blacks.

The “outstanding warrant” ratio was greater than the stop ratio, which says that traffic stops for blacks were more likely to be a stop of someone who had an outstanding warrant.

If stops of whites yielded more outstanding warrants than stops of blacks, per stop, that would indicate that the police were going easy on whites.

255 Charles Johnson  Aug 23, 2014 11:53:42am

re: #241 Targetpractice

That story is several days old.

256 Charles Johnson  Aug 23, 2014 11:57:51am

They really are just like parrots. Teach them to recite a talking point and they just start doing it without even thinking about it.

257 Charles Johnson  Aug 23, 2014 11:59:52am

Whew, I guess I was tired after this week, slept in for the first time in a long time.

258 Alyosha  Aug 23, 2014 12:00:14pm

re: #256 Charles Johnson

‘Did you see my Jesus chain?’

259 Rightwingconspirator  Aug 23, 2014 12:01:41pm

Well I think many suspected…

Marianne Faithfull said in a recent interview that her boyfriend at the time, a heroin dealer named Jean de Breteuil, was responsible for Doors frontman Jim Morrison’s death in the summer of 1971.

The singer recalled a sense of foreboding when Breteuil told her he intended to visit the Doors frontman so she decided to stay at their hotel and take barbiturates. “He went to see Jim Morrison and killed him,” Faithfull told Mojo. “I mean, I’m sure it was an accident. Poor bastard. The smack was too strong? Yeah. And he died. And I didn’t know anything about this. Anyway, everybody connected to the death of this poor guy is dead now. Except me.”

Original-
rollingstone.com

260 Targetpractice  Aug 23, 2014 12:02:19pm

re: #255 Charles Johnson

That story is several days old.

Yeah, sorry, so much of this news in the past few days has piled up in my head that I’m forgetting where all of it came from. Didn’t even both to read the link he sent me, else I would have noticed the date stamp.

261 ObserverArt  Aug 23, 2014 12:04:42pm

re: #246 wrenchwench

Time for a niece break.

That is a great photo. “Who’s cool?!”

262 BeachDem  Aug 23, 2014 12:12:05pm

re: #254 lostlakehiker

Talk about cherry-picking.

263 Gus  Aug 23, 2014 12:13:02pm

re: #253 Charles Johnson

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Yeah. I’m sure once they de-militarize the police that will stop the Mike Brown and similar shootings. Nope.

264 Charles Johnson  Aug 23, 2014 12:15:28pm

re: #263 Gus

Yeah. I’m sure once they de-militarize the police that will stop the Mike Brown and similar shootings. Nope.

Yep, it wasn’t militarization that caused Michael Brown’s death.

265 ObserverArt  Aug 23, 2014 12:21:14pm

re: #238 ausador

But I’m not talking about art or the content of books.

I’m talking about pictures of very young girls, interspersed with pictures of explicit lesbian and straight sex acts by girls who are also of questionable age. Sure many were not taken as “pornographic content” especially those taken from naturalist sites. But the fact remains that they are now being presented solely for the purpose of masturbatory arousal.

I understand. I was just making a general point about censorship coming off of your original comment in #219.

And truthfully, I am not all that familiar with Tumbler. I do not know how their pages are arranged and accessed. So, I have no idea how many could be labeled as set up for sickos to access.

Not to criticize your use of the word or sensibilities, but for sake of the discussion: is your judgement of what is a sicko the same as everyone else? That is sort of what I was getting at and where I feel the whole issue gets tricky.

Isn’t one of the judgement criteria of what constitutes porn is how something is viewed by the majority of a community…community values?

Well, I can guarantee the more artistic, young professional, urban rehabber, gay, and mixed race community in my area the city would view it different than some other neighborhoods that are more white and elderly, etc.

Who is right, who is wrong and who gets the judgement?

266 prairiefire  Aug 23, 2014 2:43:39pm

re: #54 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

Yay, Bob’s Burgers won an Emmy!

Yay!

267 jonhendry  Aug 23, 2014 2:46:18pm

re: #254 lostlakehiker

“The “outstanding warrant” ratio was greater than the stop ratio, which says that traffic stops for blacks were more likely to be a stop of someone who had an outstanding warrant.”

You’re neglecting to consider how they’ve set up the system to generate revenue from blacks people through traffic stops and other harassment. They make it difficult to comply, leading to more warrants.

268 jonhendry  Aug 23, 2014 4:10:15pm

re: #57 lawhawk

I did the challenge - and donated. The whole viral nature of this has kicked off a tremendous fundraising boost to the ALS Foundation. Whereas they normally get only about $2 million dollars this time of year, they’ve gotten more than $53 million as a result of the challenge.

I’d say that the challenge has done its job admirably.

Now, if most of that money goes into research, then we’ve really got something here.

And every other charity on the planet is wishing to come up with a viral success even half as good as the ice bucket challenge.

Plus, all those videos cost the ALS Foundation *nothing*. Even if someone does the challenge and doesn’t contribute, it cost the foundation nothing.

That’s a lot better than high overhead things like run/walk events, phone banks, mail shots, etc. Charity runs always seem to involve lots of advertising, banners hanging around the city, t-shirts, a stage and sound system, etc… I remember some controversy about the charity AIDS Rides having much of the money raised eaten up by expenses.


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