Video: All Four Eyewitness Accounts of the Michael Brown Shooting

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Jorge Alonso posted this video at YouTube compiling all four eyewitness accounts of the shooting of Michael Brown, and as I’ve been saying all week they’re amazingly consistent with each other, and with the autopsy results released by Dr. Michael Baden. They tell a story that’s very damning to officer Darren Wilson.

To conservatives, however, the accounts of four black eyewitnesses are not as convincing as an anonymous woman who calls in to the Dana Loesch radio show, or an illiterate post by Jim Hoft.

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149 comments
1 Charles Johnson  Aug 23, 2014 12:06:05pm
2 Maddies Mom  Aug 23, 2014 12:07:30pm

Way O/T, sorry…
So I’m watching Letterman last Wednesday night. Ken Burns is talking about his new 7-years-in-the-making documentary about the Roosevelts. He says this…
“….Nobody had ever done it before. There’s lots on Teddy, lots on Franklin, lots on Eleanor, and nothing that’s showed it as the family drama that it is. These are 3 people, all born with the last name Roosevelt….”

Took me 1/2 a second - you?

3 Targetpractice  Aug 23, 2014 12:07:32pm

Which, of course, Wilson’s fan club will claim is “proof” that they’re all repeating the same “lie.” Meanwhile, it’s now been 2 weeks since the shooting and we still have not heard Wilson’s version of events besides snippets from the FPD and anonymous “friends” telling us this story straight from an action film.

4 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Aug 23, 2014 12:12:44pm

re: #2 Maddies Mom

Way O/T, sorry…
So I’m watching Letterman last Wednesday night. Ken Burns is talking about his new 7-years-in-the-making documentary about the Roosevelts. He says this…
“….Nobody had ever done it before. There’s lots on Teddy, lots on Franklin, lots on Eleanor, and nothing that’s showed it as the family drama that it is. These are 3 people, all born with the last name Roosevelt….”

Took me 1/2 a second - you?

Not sure what you’re saying here. Just because it’s known doesn’t mean it’s been put on film.

5 Ace-o-aces  Aug 23, 2014 12:14:03pm

re: #4 Rev_Arthur_Belling

Not sure what you’re saying here. Just because it’s known doesn’t mean it’s been put on film.

I’m pretty sure Eleanor wasn’t born with the name Roosevelt.

(EDIT: Whoops, guess she was).

6 Maddies Mom  Aug 23, 2014 12:14:28pm

re: #4 Rev_Arthur_Belling

Not sure what you’re saying here. Just because it’s known doesn’t mean it’s been put on film.

Carefully read the last sentence.

7 Maddies Mom  Aug 23, 2014 12:14:58pm

re: #5 Ace-o-aces

I’m pretty sure Eleanor wasn’t born with the name Roosevelt.

Thanks Ace!

8 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Aug 23, 2014 12:15:31pm

re: #6 Maddies Mom

Carefully read the last sentence.

Yeah, I read the last sentence several times. It still doesn’t make sense.

Edit: I’m not trying to be an asshole, I’m just trying to understand what your beef is.

9 Stanley Sea  Aug 23, 2014 12:16:32pm

re: #5 Ace-o-aces

I’m pretty sure Eleanor wasn’t born with the name Roosevelt.

I believe she was.

10 Kid A  Aug 23, 2014 12:16:37pm

Eleanor wasn’t born a Roosevelt.

11 Kid A  Aug 23, 2014 12:18:18pm

She was born a Roosevelt!

12 Ace-o-aces  Aug 23, 2014 12:18:27pm

BUT BUT… JIM HOFT AN FOX NEUSE SEZ THERE R DOZENS OF WITNESSESES THAT SUPPORT WILSON’S STORY THAT HE WAZ NEARLY KILLED BY BROWNS MMA SUPERPUNCH!!!! THEN HE RECOVERD AFTER A FEW SECONDS (THANKS TO WHITE JESUS) AN DONE KILLED BROWN AS HE CHARGED AT HIM LIKE A BULL EN A FIT O POT FULED RAGE!!!!!!

13 TedStriker  Aug 23, 2014 12:18:54pm

re: #2 Maddies Mom

Way O/T, sorry…
So I’m watching Letterman last Wednesday night. Ken Burns is talking about his new 7-years-in-the-making documentary about the Roosevelts. He says this…
“….Nobody had ever done it before. There’s lots on Teddy, lots on Franklin, lots on Eleanor, and nothing that’s showed it as the family drama that it is. These are 3 people, all born with the last name Roosevelt….”

Took me 1/2 a second - you?

re: #5 Ace-o-aces

I’m pretty sure Eleanor wasn’t born with the name Roosevelt.

re: #6 Maddies Mom

Carefully read the last sentence.

re: #9 Stanley Sea

I believe she was.

re: #10 Kid A

Eleanor wasn’t born a Roosevelt.

Yeah, she was:

Anna Eleanor Roosevelt was born at 56 West 37th Street in New York City, to socialites Elliott Bulloch Roosevelt (1860-1894) and Anna Rebecca Hall (1863-1892).[4] From an early age, she preferred to be called by her middle name (Eleanor). Through her father, she was a niece of President Theodore “T.R.” Roosevelt, Jr. (1858-1919). Through her mother, she was a niece of tennis champions Valentine Gill “Vallie” Hall III (1867-1934) and Edward Ludlow Hall (1872-1932). She acted in such an old-fashioned manner as a child that her mother nicknamed her “Granny”.[5]

14 Kid A  Aug 23, 2014 12:19:07pm

Her father was Elliott Bulloch Roosevelt.

15 Dr Lizardo  Aug 23, 2014 12:19:55pm

re: #11 Kid A

She was born a Roosevelt!

Yep. She was born Anna Eleanor Roosevelt on October 11, 1884 in NYC.

en.wikipedia.org

16 Ace-o-aces  Aug 23, 2014 12:19:59pm

re: #9 Stanley Sea

I believe she was.

I stand corrected.

17 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Aug 23, 2014 12:20:00pm

Still not getting the problem.

18 TedStriker  Aug 23, 2014 12:21:43pm

re: #17 Rev_Arthur_Belling

Still not getting the problem.

Eleanor and FDR were related by blood, fifth cousins though

19 Kid A  Aug 23, 2014 12:21:44pm

re: #17 Rev_Arthur_Belling

Still not getting the problem.

Maddie’s Mom made a mistake in thinking Eleanor wasn’t born a Roosevelt.

20 Kid A  Aug 23, 2014 12:22:05pm

re: #16 Ace-o-aces

I stand corrected.

Same here.

21 Alyosha  Aug 23, 2014 12:22:51pm

Oy.

22 Maddies Mom  Aug 23, 2014 12:24:10pm

re: #13 TedStriker

Yeah, she was:

Jeez, is my face red!!! Must. learn. not. to. question. Ken. Burns.

23 Rightwingconspirator  Aug 23, 2014 12:24:37pm

Won’t be long before some, the usual suspects will say the witnesses got together to shape the story against the police. A sad mentality indeed.

24 Alyosha  Aug 23, 2014 12:26:54pm

re: #23 Rightwingconspirator

Won’t be long before some say the witnesses got together to shape the story against the police. A sad mentality indeed.

They’re talking points only when they’re being repeated by Certain people. Third-hand hearsay bullshit? That’s where the real evidence is at.

25 Charles Johnson  Aug 23, 2014 12:28:11pm

To conservatives, however, the accounts of four black eyewitnesses are not as convincing as an anonymous woman who calls in to the Dana Loesch radio show, or an illiterate post by Jim Hoft.

26 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Aug 23, 2014 12:28:17pm

Well, now that we have that settled :)

27 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Aug 23, 2014 12:29:20pm

re: #25 Charles Johnson

To conservatives, however, the accounts of four black eyewitnesses are not as convincing as an anonymous woman who calls in to the Dana Loesch radio show, or an illiterate post by Jim Hoft.

I’ve met Dana Loesch, and I’ve recounted several times here. She is one of the most evil people I’ve ever come across. This doesn’t surprise me.

28 Kragar  Aug 23, 2014 12:30:50pm

re: #25 Charles Johnson

To conservatives, however, the accounts of four black eyewitnesses are not as convincing as an anonymous woman who calls in to the Dana Loesch radio show, or an illiterate post by Jim Hoft.

Of course not.

Those eyewitnesses are all biased.
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29 ObserverArt  Aug 23, 2014 12:31:04pm

Whoa…this thread swerved!

To Charles’ topic…I think these four eyewitnesses are about as consistent as any group of independent witnesses I’ve heard. Add in their photos, tweets, images and what they saw and heard and it makes for a pretty good set of facts.

But, everyone in local law enforcement is working so hard to obliterate it all and build a case where the only facts that one side care about are the ones they can use to excuse the actions of the cop. They don’t need these witnesses.

And I fear at some point someone is going to link all of these into one group and say they have an agenda to paint the cop as a bad guy and you know they just can’t be trusted. I think you know where I am going. And if I read it right, they will go there.

30 Charles Johnson  Aug 23, 2014 12:31:23pm
31 Kid A  Aug 23, 2014 12:32:50pm

re: #27 Rev_Arthur_Belling

I’ve met Dana Loesch, and I’ve recounted several times here. She is one of the most evil people I’ve ever come across. This doesn’t surprise me.

Would love to hear the story, can you share?

32 KerFuFFler  Aug 23, 2014 12:33:10pm

re: #23 Rightwingconspirator

Won’t be long before some, the usual suspects will say the witnesses got together to shape the story against the police. A sad mentality indeed.

That, or they will focus on any minor discrepancies…..

All witnesses have imperfect memories. They may get the overall story right, but may not really be completely accurate about details they believe they are sure of. Defense attorneys routinely focus on small differences between testimonies to discredit witnesses.

33 Ace-o-aces  Aug 23, 2014 12:34:48pm

re: #25 Charles Johnson

To conservatives, however, the accounts of four black eyewitnesses are not as convincing as an anonymous woman who calls in to the Dana Loesch radio show.

An account, may I remind everyone, that was lifted almost word-for-word from an admitted fake Facebook post.

Here’s the Facebook posting:
breitbart.com

my friends and family have been afraid to put out what really happened due to the severe threats.but here is the truth of what happened. as much as i can tell you at this point.

they were walking in the middle of the street. i pulled my vehicle up, rolled my window down and told them to get out of the street. they refused an yelled back cussing - saying they were already almost where they are going.

i pulled further up and over. i was watching them and at that point i got the call in that there was a strong arm robbery. the description they gave was the same as the two and they had something in their hand that looked like it could be the cigars.

i backed my car up and tried to get out of my car, but they slammed my door shut to prevent me from getting out. i started to get out again and stood up, but michael came and started to shove me back in to the car. he started punching me in the face and at that point i grabbed for my gun

michael grabbed for the gun. he got the gun entirely turned against his hip. the gun goes off after it is shoved. michael took off and got to be about 35 ft away

my first protocol is to pursue, so i yell “freeze” , michael and his friend turn around. michael taunts and yells saying “what are you gonna do about it” stuff like that. And next he started bumrushing me. he just started coming at me at full speed so i started shooting. he kept coming. i definitely think the toxicology report will show that he was not right and under the influence of something

this is my account of what happened (at least, what I can openly share at this point). much of what you will hear on Tv and radio is very inaccurate. i will be deactivating my page shortly so please copy this to share the truth. i appreciate your support - especially from my police family

And here is “Josie’s” account:
eaglerising.com

“He pulled up ahead of them. And then he got a call-in that there was a strong-arm robbery. And, they gave a description. And, he’s looking at them and they got something in their hands and it looks like it could be what, you know those cigars or whatever. So he goes in reverse back to them. Tries to get out of his car. They slam his door shut violently. I think he said Michael did. And, then he opened the car again. He tried to get out. He stands up.

And then Michael just bum-rushes him and shoves him back into his car. Punches him in the face and them Darren grabs for his gun. Michael grabbed for the gun. At one point he got the gun entirely turned against his hip. And he shoves it away. And the gun goes off.

Well, then Michael takes off and gets to be about 35 feet away. And, Darren’s first protocol is to pursue. So, he stands up and yells, 𠇏reeze!” Michael and his friend turn around. And Michael taunts him… And then all the sudden he just started bumrushing him. He just started coming at him full speed. And, so he just started shooting. And, he just kept coming. And, so he really thinks he was on something.”

34 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Aug 23, 2014 12:35:24pm

re: #31 Kid A

Would love to hear the story, can you share?

At a conference in St. Louis in the early days of the Tea Party. She was on a panel and said the Tea Party would fuck with anyone who challenged them, and she didn’t care about “compromise.” It was pretty rank, and that’s as far as I’ll go into details. :)

35 Charles Johnson  Aug 23, 2014 12:36:43pm

re: #27 Rev_Arthur_Belling

I’ve met Dana Loesch, and I’ve recounted several times here. She is one of the most evil people I’ve ever come across. This doesn’t surprise me.

She’s an absolutely horrible person in every way, just full of venom and hatred. When I criticized her for her ugly statement that she would have “dropped trou” and pissed on Taliban corpses, and for her comparison of mandatory ultrasound to having sex, she accused me of being a stalker and a child molester. Evil is what she is.

CNN’s Dana Loesch Equates Mandatory Trans-Vaginal Ultrasound to Having Sex
In Which CNN Contributor Dana Loesch Calls Me a ‘Stalker’

36 Kid A  Aug 23, 2014 12:38:33pm

re: #35 Charles Johnson

Then Josie was not some “anonymous” unscreened caller. It was a setup, bet on it.

37 Alyosha  Aug 23, 2014 12:38:49pm

re: #34 Rev_Arthur_Belling

At a conference in St. Louis in the early days of the Tea Party. She was on a panel and said the Tea Party would fuck with anyone who challenged them, and she didn’t care about “compromise.” It was pretty rank, and that’s as far as I’ll go into details. :)

She sounds honest.

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38 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Aug 23, 2014 12:38:50pm

re: #35 Charles Johnson

She’s an absolutely horrible person in every way, just full of venom and hatred. When I criticized her for her ugly statement that she would have “dropped trou” and pissed on Taliban corpses, she accused me of being a stalker and a child molester. Evil is what she is.

CNN’s Dana Loesch Equates Mandatory Trans-Vaginal Ultrasound to Having Sex
In Which CNN Contributor Dana Loesch Calls Me a ‘Stalker’

Wow, I didn’t know that.

The other thing I was going to mention was that she wore thigh-high leather boots and acted like she owned the place. Such a douchebag. It was all I could do to hold my tongue during the question and answer session to say “WTF?”

39 Targetpractice  Aug 23, 2014 12:39:36pm

re: #32 KerFuFFler

That, or they will focus on any minor discrepancies…..

All witnesses have imperfect memories. They may get the overall story right, but may not really be completely accurate about details they believe they are sure of. Defense attorneys routinely focus on small differences between testimonies to discredit witnesses.

That’s all I’ve heard from wingnuts in an effort to dismiss the witnesses. From the lack of shots to Brown’s back, to the number of shots he received, to all the shots appearing as though he standing upright besides the kill shot. All of them are considered “lies” now, in an effort to maintain the “waiting for all the facts” mantra.

40 Stanley Sea  Aug 23, 2014 12:40:25pm

re: #38 Rev_Arthur_Belling

Wow, I didn’t know that.

The other thing I was going to mention was that she wore thigh-high leather boots and acted like she owned the place. Such a douchebag. It was all I could do to hold my tongue during the question and answer session to say “WTF?”

I swore I read that she tried out for The View.

41 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Aug 23, 2014 12:43:17pm

re: #40 Stanley Sea

I swore I read that she tried out for The View.

She is really a female Rush Limbaugh. Probably more than most, but not Ann Coulter. She is the debil!

42 Decatur Deb  Aug 23, 2014 12:45:25pm

re: #30 Charles Johnson

I see right wingers are still ranting away about Obama playing too much golf, like a vast flock of angry parrots.

“He plays golf” is TPGOP dialect for “I got nuthin’.”

43 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Aug 23, 2014 12:46:37pm

re: #42 Decatur Deb

“He plays golf” is TPGOP dialect for “I got nuthin’.”

He’s not clearing brush! /wingnut

44 Alyosha  Aug 23, 2014 12:48:08pm

re: #40 Stanley Sea

I swore I read that she tried out for The View.

Proving that Elizabeth Hasselbeck is merely a RINO plant. A reverse-Colmes for the enjoyment of the liberal elites.

45 Kid A  Aug 23, 2014 12:48:47pm

Didn’t CNN fire Dana?

46 jaunte  Aug 23, 2014 12:49:01pm

re: #43 Rev_Arthur_Belling

If Obama had a ranch, and if he cleared brush, we’d be hearing “fieldhand” comments from the right wing.

47 BeachDem  Aug 23, 2014 12:49:33pm

re: #35 Charles Johnson

She’s an absolutely horrible person in every way, just full of venom and hatred. When I criticized her for her ugly statement that she would have “dropped trou” and pissed on Taliban corpses, and for her comparison of mandatory ultrasound to having sex, she accused me of being a stalker and a child molester. Evil is what she is.

CNN’s Dana Loesch Equates Mandatory Trans-Vaginal Ultrasound to Having Sex
In Which CNN Contributor Dana Loesch Calls Me a ‘Stalker’

I remember that well—even wrote a blog post about it elsewhere, including:

So doctors in Virginia would be required to perform an unnecessary, invasive procedure without the consent of their patient, but with a nod and a wink from that venerable body of old Republican men, the Virginia legislature.

And, it was A-OK with right-wing mouthpieces like Dana Loesch who said:

“uh, there were individuals saying, “Oh what about the Virginia rape? The rapes that, the forced rapes of women who are pregnant?” What!? Wait a minute, they had no problem having similar to a trans-vaginal procedure when they engaged in the act that resulted in their pregnancy.”

Yep, old Dana was proffering the argument that if you’ve ever had consensual sex, then from that moment on, anyone is allowed to insert whatever into your vagina and it’s the same thing.

When Charles Johnson of Little Green Footballs called her on it, quoting her verbatim, she responded by saying that wasn’t what she said and calling him a pervert.

littlegreenfootballs.com

48 jaunte  Aug 23, 2014 12:50:23pm

The problem for some is not a President playing golf, it’s that Obama is playing, not forced to caddy.

49 Kid A  Aug 23, 2014 12:50:30pm

re: #46 jaunte

If Obama had a ranch, and if he cleared brush, we’d be hearing “fieldhand” comments from the right wing.

I think it was Gus who posted yesterday that he wished Obama would get in a convertible and do donuts on the White House lawn while smoking a cigar, LOL.

50 Charles Johnson  Aug 23, 2014 12:54:04pm

Breitbart posted the story about that racist STL County cop who was suspended after he shoved Don Lemon around, and video of his craziness came out, and guess what the commenters think?

They love him, of course.

51 Kid A  Aug 23, 2014 12:55:17pm

“Seems to me like Akin was trying to fit medical explanation into a soundbite. Not the best statement, but some are stretching it majorly.”

Dana is a real Mensa.

52 Belafon  Aug 23, 2014 12:56:26pm

I was arguing with my parents who want to focus on the looting. Their argument about the witnesses is that they could have gotten together and worked on making their stories the same.

53 Alyosha  Aug 23, 2014 12:57:07pm

re: #50 Charles Johnson

Once they looked up the word ‘parity’.

54 Kid A  Aug 23, 2014 12:57:40pm
55 BeachDem  Aug 23, 2014 12:58:40pm

Back on topic. What stands out most to me about these 4 eyewitness accounts is:

1. Other than Johnson, I don’t believe any of the others even knew Brown, so really had no axes to grind. And, even though they each had a different vantage point, their reports are remarkably similar.

2. They all put their names and faces out there with their reports, unlike the “anonymous” supposed-witnesses who tell a different story (although, even anonymously, we’ve never actually heard their stories first-, or even second-hand that I can recall. It’s hearsay of hearsay.)

3. I would think these named, pictured witnesses would have more fear of reprisal, from the FPD and StLCounty police than any of the unnamed, unsourced anonymous witnesses touted by the wingers.

56 gwangung  Aug 23, 2014 1:00:31pm

re: #55 BeachDem

Back on topic. What stands out most to me about these 4 eyewitness accounts is:

…..

3. I would think these named, pictured witnesses would have more fear of reprisal, from the FPD and StLCounty police than any of the unnamed, unsourced anonymous witnesses touted by the wingers.

Well, yeah….you have an IQ above room temperature….

57 BeachDem  Aug 23, 2014 1:03:24pm

re: #52 Belafon

I was arguing with my parents who want to focus on the looting. Their argument about the witnesses is that they could have gotten together and worked on making their stories the same.

I’d say the counter would be that these witnesses really didn’t even know each other, and that some of their accounts were made public almost immediately, and included contemporaneous to the incident accounts—so they would never have even had time to get together to “work on their stories.”

I know, however, if your parents are anything like my wingnut brother, the facts will not get in the way of their talking points.

58 Alyosha  Aug 23, 2014 1:05:29pm

The problem with trying to incite a race war is that you’re constantly having to come up with excuses for why your race isn’t the one trying to incite a race war.

59 ausador  Aug 23, 2014 1:07:24pm
60 GeneJockey  Aug 23, 2014 1:07:30pm

re: #30 Charles Johnson

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You see, WHITE Presidents are always working, whether they’re playing golf, riding horses, clearing brush, falling off of Segways, mountain biking, etc.

OTOH, a BLACK President is a lazy fuckoff if he fails to wear a coat and tie at all times, or meets with his Attorney General any place but the Oval Office, like, say at Martha’s Vineyard.

61 TedStriker  Aug 23, 2014 1:07:57pm

re: #50 Charles Johnson

Breitbart posted the story about that racist STL County cop who was suspended after he shoved Don Lemon around, and video of his craziness came out, and guess what the commenters think?

They love him, of course.

Lemme guess, they think he “speaks truth to power”, even though he is part of the “power”?

62 Kid A  Aug 23, 2014 1:08:45pm

re: #60 GeneJockey

You see, WHITE Presidents are always working, whether they’re playing golf, riding horses, clearing brush, falling off of Segways, mountain biking, etc.

OTOH, a BLACK President is a lazy fuckoff if he fails to wear a coat and tie at all times, or meets with his Attorney General any place but the Oval Office, like, say at Martha’s Vineyard.

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63 Kragar  Aug 23, 2014 1:08:54pm

re: #50 Charles Johnson

Breitbart posted the story about that racist STL County cop who was suspended after he shoved Don Lemon around, and video of his craziness came out, and guess what the commenters think?

They love him, of course.

Any cop who associates with Oath Keeper should be placed under review.

64 aagcobb  Aug 23, 2014 1:09:05pm

I wish these statements would make a difference. But if Wilson is indicted, he will be acquitted. Bank on it.

65 TedStriker  Aug 23, 2014 1:09:11pm

re: #52 Belafon

I was arguing with my parents who want to focus on the looting. Their argument about the witnesses is that they could have gotten together and worked on making their stories the same.

Well, you know how those people always stick together, right?

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66 Kid A  Aug 23, 2014 1:09:24pm

re: #62 Kid A

67 aagcobb  Aug 23, 2014 1:09:53pm

re: #62 Kid A

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Now there is a real man, the decider! That is the kind of man we need as President!/////

68 BeachDem  Aug 23, 2014 1:10:38pm

re: #56 gwangung

Well, yeah….you have an IQ above room temperature….

I like to think so…

69 GeneJockey  Aug 23, 2014 1:10:52pm

re: #51 Kid A

“Seems to me like Akin was trying to fit medical explanation into a soundbite. Not the best statement, but some are stretching it majorly.”

Dana is a real Mensa.

You misspelled ‘menace’.
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70 Charles Johnson  Aug 23, 2014 1:11:24pm

re: #64 aagcobb

I wish these statements would make a difference. But if Wilson is indicted, he will be acquitted. Bank on it.

Unfortunately, I think you’re right. There’s very little chance he’ll even be indicted in my opinion. But if he is, he’s going to get off.

71 Targetpractice  Aug 23, 2014 1:12:35pm

re: #70 Charles Johnson

Unfortunately, I think you’re right. There’s very little chance he’ll even be indicted in my opinion. But if he is, he’s going to get off.

If indicted, he’ll get acquitted on the “nobody really knows what happened” excuse.

72 Kragar  Aug 23, 2014 1:12:41pm

re: #70 Charles Johnson

Unfortunately, I think you’re right. There’s very little chance he’ll even be indicted in my opinion. But if he is, he’s going to get off.

Easy to get off when the cops don’t make a serious investigation or collect evidence properly

73 Belafon  Aug 23, 2014 1:12:57pm

re: #57 BeachDem

My parents voted for Obama twice, but he was one of the good ones. They’re last like a lot of racists who want Ferguson just to stop making so much noise. Mom will say “I’m probably being racist” but can’t figure out that the next step should be to change.

74 GeneJockey  Aug 23, 2014 1:12:57pm

re: #70 Charles Johnson

Unfortunately, I think you’re right. There’s very little chance he’ll even be indicted in my opinion. But if he is, he’s going to get off.

“Well, garsh, all we have is some weeks-old statements from people who claim to be witnesses, some video from after the fact, and the autopsy report, so there’s not enough evidence to ascertain what really happened.”

75 Kid A  Aug 23, 2014 1:13:10pm

OBAMAZ NO COAT AND TYE!!!

76 makeitstop  Aug 23, 2014 1:13:17pm

re: #50 Charles Johnson

Breitbart posted the story about that racist STL County cop who was suspended after he shoved Don Lemon around, and video of his craziness came out, and guess what the commenters think?

They love him, of course.

Dudebros seem to think he’s some kind of plant or something.

I saw the video on Facebook this morning - and the weird thing was some dudebro posted a YouTube video with that cop under the title ‘CNN Crisis Actor Exposed!!’

They don’t seem to get that someone can mutter like a whack job about the NWO and also be a racist piece of crap cop.

77 BeachDem  Aug 23, 2014 1:14:27pm

re: #59 ausador

Wow—Riverview looks even scarier than Ferguson.

78 Kid A  Aug 23, 2014 1:15:27pm

re: #59 ausador

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Dim Jim is gonna be hopping mad at this.

79 aagcobb  Aug 23, 2014 1:16:00pm

re: #70 Charles Johnson

Unfortunately, I think you’re right. There’s very little chance he’ll even be indicted in my opinion. But if he is, he’s going to get off.

The problem isn’t so much the individual cops, except for obvious cases like this psychopathic Oathkeeper cop. Its the policies which cause cops to treat minority neighborhoods like they are soldiers on patrol in Baghdad. The recent horrifying shooting death in St.L. absolutely went by the book, and that’s the problem.

80 Targetpractice  Aug 23, 2014 1:17:16pm

re: #74 GeneJockey

“Well, garsh, all we have is some weeks-old statements from people who claim to be witnesses, some video from after the fact, and the autopsy report, so there’s not enough evidence to ascertain what really happened.”

Yep, the defense will play upon any inconsistencies between what has been said to the press and what is said on the stand, as well as those between accounts, then go to the jury saying “We can’t be sure they saw what they think they saw. They might be mistaken. Can’t send a guy away to prison on a ‘mistake.’”

81 TedStriker  Aug 23, 2014 1:18:16pm

re: #76 makeitstop

Dudebros seem to think he’s some kind of plant or something.

I saw the video on Facebook this morning - and the weird thing was some dudebro posted a YouTube video with that cop under the title ‘CNN Crisis Actor Exposed!!’

They don’t seem to get that someone can mutter like a whack job about the NWO and also be a racist piece of crap cop.

Oh, I think they get it, which is why they so want to discredit the cop, because he’s letting the cat out of the bag about them.

82 GeneJockey  Aug 23, 2014 1:18:51pm

I wonder if some of their objection do Obama golfing is that they see him this way…Lawn, not Gene, Jockey

83 aagcobb  Aug 23, 2014 1:19:11pm

re: #80 Targetpractice

Yep, the defense will play upon any inconsistencies between what has been said to the press and what is said on the stand, as well as those between accounts, then go to the jury saying “We can’t be sure they saw what they think they saw. They might be mistaken. Can’t send a guy away to prison on a ‘mistake.’”

Typically if you shoot someone, the burden shifts to you to prove its justifiable. In Missouri, the state still has the burden to prove it wasn’t. All Wilson has to say is that he saw Brown coming at him and he shot in self-defense, and the jury almost has to acquit.

84 ausador  Aug 23, 2014 1:20:09pm

re: #76 makeitstop

Dudebros seem to think he’s some kind of plant or something.

I saw the video on Facebook this morning - and the weird thing was some dudebro posted a YouTube video with that cop under the title ‘CNN Crisis Actor Exposed!!’

They don’t seem to get that someone can mutter like a whack job about the NWO and also be a racist piece of crap cop.

They think that his shoving Don Lemon was a scripted act to help prove his bonafides in order to help him infiltrate the (add your pick of racist/patriot/dudebro/whatever group here).

85 KingKenrod  Aug 23, 2014 1:20:12pm

re: #71 Targetpractice

If indicted, he’ll get acquitted on the “nobody really knows what happened” excuse.

One thing that seems to be fact at this point is that Wilson shot at a fleeing, unarmed suspect - police and witnesses have both stated that. I don’t know if the law allows that even from a police officer. Brown was not a threat to anyone once he started to run.

86 Targetpractice  Aug 23, 2014 1:20:56pm

re: #83 aagcobb

Typically if you shoot someone, the burden shifts to you to prove its justifiable. In Missouri, the state still has the burden to prove it wasn’t. All Wilson has to say is that he saw Brown coming at him and he shot in self-defense, and the jury almost has to acquit.

Ayep. He’ll claim Brown “moved towards” him and assert self-defense and that will be that. It will move to the prosecution to prove that Brown did not act in an aggressive manner and the defense will respond by attacking the witnesses so that any doubt as to their recollections will be enough to acquit.

87 GeneJockey  Aug 23, 2014 1:21:45pm

re: #84 ausador

They think that his shoving Don Lemon was a scripted act to help prove his bonafides in order to help him infiltrate the (add your pick of racist/patriot/dudebro/whatever group here).

Crazy thing is, some guy makes racist comments, and the guys who make the racist comments on blogs all says he must be a plant.

88 Targetpractice  Aug 23, 2014 1:22:18pm

re: #85 KingKenrod

One thing that seems to be fact at this point is that Wilson shot at a fleeing, unarmed suspect - police and witnesses have both stated that. I don’t know if the law allows that even from a police officer. Brown was not a threat to anyone once he started to run.

The reports of “savage beatings” and “orbital fracture” have been towards presenting Brown as aggressive and dangerous, as Missouri law allows cops to shoot suspects if they believe they are a danger to the community.

89 BeachDem  Aug 23, 2014 1:22:48pm

re: #73 Belafon

My parents voted for Obama twice, but he was one of the good ones. They’re last like a lot of racists who want Ferguson just to stop making so much noise. Mom will say “I’m probably being racist” but can’t figure out that the next step should be to change.

Then it seems there’s hope there. On the wingnut front, my brother still thinks Sarah Palin is really smart, and that it’s only her accent that causes people to think otherwise.

I don’t think my brother is a racist—we have really never talked about it (our family is an amalgamation) and I hope we never do, because I would be beyond sad to find out that he is. I’m guessing that he, like your parents, would consider our family members “good ones,” but I don’t want to find out his broader views.

90 GeneJockey  Aug 23, 2014 1:23:33pm

re: #86 Targetpractice

Ayep. He’ll claim Brown “moved towards” him and assert self-defense and that will be that. It will move to the prosecution to prove that Brown did not act in an aggressive manner and the defense will respond by attacking the witnesses so that any doubt as to their recollections will be enough to acquit.

“Hey, come back here!”

*BANG! BANG!*

(Brown turns and complies)

*BANG! BANG!BANG! BANG!BANG! BANG!*

“He was coming towards me! What could I do?”

91 BeachDem  Aug 23, 2014 1:28:46pm

re: #76 makeitstop

Dudebros seem to think he’s some kind of plant or something.

I saw the video on Facebook this morning - and the weird thing was some dudebro posted a YouTube video with that cop under the title ‘CNN Crisis Actor Exposed!!’

They don’t seem to get that someone can mutter like a whack job about the NWO and also be a racist piece of crap cop.

Wait, what? That video was posted months ago (I believe in April), so is CNN now time-traveling to plant their crisis actors in old speeches? (I’m sure Jerome Corsi or Alex Jones will be along to explain it any time now)

92 ausador  Aug 23, 2014 1:28:47pm

re: #81 TedStriker

Oh, I think they get it, which is why they so want to discredit the cop, because he’s letting the cat out of the bag about them.

Anytime you read the comments and you find a bunch of people talking about PSYOPs and COINTELPRO you can be sure that you have found a bunch of real paranoid conspiracy nutters.

93 Shazam  Aug 23, 2014 1:31:32pm

A good prosecutor could turn this into a conviction, even with MO’s weird pro-police murder laws. However, they don’t seem to have a good prosecutor.

94 wrenchwench  Aug 23, 2014 1:33:15pm
95 GeneJockey  Aug 23, 2014 1:33:22pm

re: #89 BeachDem

Then it seems there’s hope there. On the wingnut front, my brother still thinks Sarah Palin is really smart, and that it’s only her accent that causes people to think otherwise.

I don’t think my brother is a racist—we have really never talked about it (our family is an amalgamation) and I hope we never do, because I would be beyond sad to find out that he is. I’m guessing that he, like your parents, would consider our family members “good ones,” but I don’t want to find out his broader views.

I’m increasingly convinced that it’s a mistake to try and define your average white person as “A Racist” versus “Not A Racist”. It’s too much of a spectrum, and many of us who abhor racism struggle with racist feelings that arise from monocultural upbringings, where we never interacted with nonwhite people, or where the culture we grew up in was steeped in racism.

96 JDRhoades  Aug 23, 2014 1:33:26pm

re: #90 GeneJockey

So Ferguson PD can afford fancy military vehicles and sniper rifles, but can’t afford Tasers?

97 Targetpractice  Aug 23, 2014 1:33:30pm

re: #90 GeneJockey

“Hey, come back here!”

*BANG! BANG!*

(Brown turns and complies)

*BANG! BANG!BANG! BANG!BANG! BANG!*

“He was coming towards me! What could I do?”

We know how it goes. Wilson will attend court in uniform, while the defense will assert that he’s a good guy who was just doing his job by telling Brown and Johnson to get off the street, when the former began making threats towards him, before smashing his face in. He bravely kept himself together enough to get out of the SUV, pull his gun, and order Brown to freeze. But instead of following orders, Brown turned and made some more threats, before barreling at Wilson in such a way that he had no choice but to open fire. That when it was over and Brown lay dead, he was so shaken by what had happened that he didn’t even notice his own injuries until he was taken to the hospital.

And the jury will lap it up, because that’s what we do when we hear stories of “bravery” from guys in uniform. Then the defense will call character witnesses to tell about Wilson’s good deeds, his years of service, and overall paint him as anything but a hothead who’d fly off the handle because a teen talked back to him. Finally, they’ll call back a few of the prosecution’s witnesses so as to air any of their dirty laundry and heap on the suggestion that they’re liars who don’t really know what they saw that day.

And in closing arguments, they’ll go to the jury and say this “good” cop should not go to jail for just doing his job, that he’s already been wrongfully vilified in the community, and that their deliberations should keep in mind that “nobody really knows what happened.”

98 FourEyeFreckleFace  Aug 23, 2014 1:33:34pm

Hey, first post! I’ve been reading LGF for years, made an account once but really spent all my time here reading, rather than contributing. Eventually that account was axed (as it should have been) but I’d like to be more involved now. Really appreciate the posts here, but just as much, the discussion that follows.

ANYWAY - one thing I’ve noticed lately is that there are quite a few posters here who have very close family members (parents, sibs, even partners) with some pretty opposing political views, or at least reactions to events. I am right there with you. Today I’m heading up to an annual family reunion, packed with some super-right wingers as well as ultra-lefties, but not a lot of (vocal) thoughtfulness in between. Sometimes some real nasty shit comes out. I know tonight will devolve into Ferguson rants, and while I feel completely confident in my own understanding of what’s happening, I know that reason will be trampled. Ugh. So, to any of you feeling division in your own homes, keep your head up, know your stuff, and continue to love ‘em.

99 GeneJockey  Aug 23, 2014 1:34:15pm

re: #91 BeachDem

Wait, what? That video was posted months ago (I believe in April), so is CNN now time-traveling to plant their crisis actors in old speeches? (I’m sure Jerome Corsi or Alex Jones will be along to explain it any time now)

Curse Obama and his time machine!
//

100 wrenchwench  Aug 23, 2014 1:35:05pm

re: #98 FourEyeFreckleFace

Welcome, hatchling.

101 Kid A  Aug 23, 2014 1:38:14pm

re: #98 FourEyeFreckleFace

Welcome to hell, hatchling, WHERE NO ONE EVER LEAVES, BWAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

102 Kid A  Aug 23, 2014 1:38:59pm

re: #98 FourEyeFreckleFace

My advice? Drink wine. LOTS of it.

103 thedopefishlives  Aug 23, 2014 1:39:36pm

re: #101 Kid A

Welcome to hell, hatchling, WHERE NO ONE EVER LEAVES, BWAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

Now, now. We don’t want to scare off the new hatchlings right away. There’ll be plenty of time for that once the asbestos scale suits come out.

104 Kid A  Aug 23, 2014 1:39:50pm

re: #96 JDRhoades

So Ferguson PD can afford fancy military vehicles and sniper rifles, but can’t afford Tasers?

Or video camera necklaces?

105 GeneJockey  Aug 23, 2014 1:40:35pm

re: #101 Kid A

Welcome to hell, hatchling, WHERE NO ONE EVER LEAVES, BWAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

Yeah, “Abandon all hope, ye who enter here!”

106 Targetpractice  Aug 23, 2014 1:41:56pm

re: #101 Kid A

Welcome to hell, hatchling, WHERE NO ONE EVER LEAVES, BWAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

So LGF is a digital FEMA camp?

//

107 GeneJockey  Aug 23, 2014 1:42:13pm

re: #98 FourEyeFreckleFace

Hey, first post! I’ve been reading LGF for years, made an account once but really spent all my time here reading, rather than contributing. Eventually that account was axed (as it should have been) but I’d like to be more involved now. Really appreciate the posts here, but just as much, the discussion that follows.

ANYWAY - one thing I’ve noticed lately is that there are quite a few posters here who have very close family members (parents, sibs, even partners) with some pretty opposing political views, or at least reactions to events. I am right there with you. Today I’m heading up to an annual family reunion, packed with some super-right wingers as well as ultra-lefties, but not a lot of (vocal) thoughtfulness in between. Sometimes some real nasty shit comes out. I know tonight will devolve into Ferguson rants, and while I feel completely confident in my own understanding of what’s happening, I know that reason will be trampled. Ugh. So, to any of you feeling division in your own homes, keep your head up, know your stuff, and continue to love ‘em.

In my family, we had a rule that whoever loses his temper first loses the argument. It was easy to tell with my one sister, because she’d throw small objects.

108 GeneJockey  Aug 23, 2014 1:42:49pm

re: #106 Targetpractice

So LGF is a digital FEMA camp?

//

“I thought we were an autonomous collective.”

109 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Aug 23, 2014 1:42:58pm

re: #98 FourEyeFreckleFace

welcome hatchling!

110 JDRhoades  Aug 23, 2014 1:43:01pm

re: #99 GeneJockey

Curse Obama and his time machine!

Remember 29 percent of Louisiana Republicans blamed Obama for the poor response to hurricane Katrina and 44 percent weren’t sure if he was to blame. John MCCain (who was a POW) blamed Obama for high gas prices during the 2008 campaign.

111 GeneJockey  Aug 23, 2014 1:44:43pm

re: #110 JDRhoades

Remember 29 percent of Louisiana Republicans blamed Obama for the poor response to hurricane Katrina and 44 percent weren’t sure if he was to blame. John MCCain (who was a POW) blamed Obama for high gas prices during the 2008 campaign.

Yep. And when the economy was coming down around our ears in the late fall of 2008, wingnuts were saying “This is Obama’s Recession!”

112 Kid A  Aug 23, 2014 1:45:49pm

re: #111 GeneJockey

Yep. And when the economy was coming down around our ears in the late fall of 2008, wingnuts were saying “This is Obama’s Recession!”

Yep, I will never forget when Limbaugh said the downturn in 2009 was in response to Obama’s election, I shit you not.

113 Targetpractice  Aug 23, 2014 1:47:27pm

re: #112 Kid A

Yep, I will never forget when Limbaugh said the downturn in 2009 was in response to Obama’s election, I shit you not.

Remember in ‘12, when a rise in the stock market was seen as “proof” that the market knew Romney was on the cusp of being elected?

114 Kid A  Aug 23, 2014 1:47:43pm

re: #113 Targetpractice

Remember in ‘12, when a rise in the stock market was seen as “proof” that the market knew Romney was on the cusp of being elected?

LOL

115 Kid A  Aug 23, 2014 1:47:49pm
116 thedopefishlives  Aug 23, 2014 1:48:43pm

re: #113 Targetpractice

Remember in ‘12, when a rise in the stock market was seen as “proof” that the market knew Romney was on the cusp of being elected?

I guess that’s where the Republicans got their polling numbers from.

117 Kid A  Aug 23, 2014 1:48:48pm

Gas prices up, DAMN YOU, OBAMA!!!
Gas prices down, FREE MARKETS!!!!

118 BeachDem  Aug 23, 2014 1:49:45pm

re: #107 GeneJockey

In my family, we had a rule that whoever loses his temper first loses the argument. It was easy to tell with my one sister, because she’d throw small objects.

Our rule is we don’t talk about politics at family gatherings, and if somebody breaks the rule, all who smoke head outside to avoid conflict.

119 Targetpractice  Aug 23, 2014 1:53:46pm

re: #118 BeachDem

Our rule is we don’t talk about politics at family gatherings, and if somebody breaks the rule, all who smoke head outside to avoid conflict.

Exact opposite in my mother’s family, namely when you want to talk politics, you take it outside. Sit around on lawn chairs and talk whatever you like. Though, being Southern, the topic never stays on one thing for too long. Somebody will damn a politician, then somebody will bring up something good he did, which will lead to how that good thing got somebody they know a job, and so on. Southern folk come naturally to the idea of a Wiki Walk.

120 Feline Fearless Leader  Aug 23, 2014 1:55:04pm

Good afternoon Lizards from warm and on-and-off rainy Chattanooga.

121 GeneJockey  Aug 23, 2014 1:55:51pm

re: #115 Kid A

[Embedded content]

Break a window go to jail. Break the economy, get a bonus

122 Kid A  Aug 23, 2014 1:56:23pm

re: #121 GeneJockey

Break a window go to jail. Break the economy, get a bonus

And a golden parachute.

123 Charles Johnson  Aug 23, 2014 1:56:30pm

From the rally this morning supporting Daren Wilson.

124 thedopefishlives  Aug 23, 2014 1:56:35pm

re: #120 Feline Fearless Leader

Good afternoon Lizards from warm and on-and-off rainy Chattanooga.

How go things in the house of felines?

125 GeneJockey  Aug 23, 2014 1:56:41pm

re: #120 Feline Fearless Leader

Good afternoon Lizards from warm and on-and-off rainy Chattanooga.

Say hello to the ChooChoo for us.

126 b_sharp  Aug 23, 2014 1:57:16pm

re: #125 GeneJockey

Say hello to the ChooChoo for us.

You’re such an old fart.

127 GeneJockey  Aug 23, 2014 1:57:56pm

re: #122 Kid A

And a golden parachute.

“They get Golden Parachutes, we get Golden Showers.”

128 ObserverArt  Aug 23, 2014 1:57:57pm

re: #98 FourEyeFreckleFace

How-dee!

I have an older brother that is almost 180° opposite my views on so much. I give him a wide berth. It is much more peaceful and rewarding a relationship that way. Sadly.

I don’t ever want to feel that I am either pissing him off or a complete waste of a life, and yet, I usually end up feeling that way. One of my other brothers feels the same way. He belittles everything we do.

His problem.

129 GeneJockey  Aug 23, 2014 1:58:19pm

re: #126 b_sharp

You’re such an old fart.

There’s no fart like an old fart.

130 BeachDem  Aug 23, 2014 1:59:29pm

re: #119 Targetpractice

Exact opposite in my mother’s family, namely when you want to talk politics, you take it outside. Sit around on lawn chairs and talk whatever you like. Though, being Southern, the topic never stays on one thing for too long. Somebody will damn a politician, then somebody will bring up something good he did, which will lead to how that good thing got somebody they know a job, and so on. Southern folk come naturally to the idea of a Wiki Walk.

We mostly get together during cold weather, so I think the going outside to smoke is kind of a cooling down (or freezing your ass off) thing.

131 Targetpractice  Aug 23, 2014 2:00:28pm

re: #123 Charles Johnson

[Embedded content]

From the rally this morning supporting Daren Wilson.

Yes, of course, it’s the media that makes Darren Wilson look bad. It’s not his bosses sitting on info that these nutters believe would exonerate him or the eyewitness accounts that paint him as a cold-blooded murderer. No, it’s the media who is to blame.

132 Feline Fearless Leader  Aug 23, 2014 2:01:01pm

re: #124 thedopefishlives

How go things in the house of felines?

Cat sitter coming in and seeing them once a day. Latest email report is that they are doing well.

I’m on Day 2 of a vacation trip I’ve dubbed “The Lap Around Kentucky”.

Philadelphia to Roanoke yesterday. And that included stops at the New Market Battlefield and also for the afternoon in Lexington, VA.

Today was Roanoke to Chattanooga with a stop at Gray, TN to look at a small museum at a fossil bed locale (Miocene Era). Traffic in downtown Chattanooga was detoured all over due to a bicycle race.

Tomorrow is Chickamauga Battlefield and Lookout Mountain before driving up to Murfreesboro. Plan on doing an extended hike at Chickamauga if the weather looks decent.

133 GeneJockey  Aug 23, 2014 2:01:37pm

re: #117 Kid A

Gas prices up, DAMN YOU, OBAMA!!!
Gas prices down, FREE MARKETS!!!!

I once had a wingnut tell me the reason why oil prices dropped from record highs in early 2008 to very low in early 2009 had nothing to do with the drop in demand that came with the world economy grinding nearly to a halt, but rather was because Bush had hinted at releasing oil from the strategic reserve.

134 GeneJockey  Aug 23, 2014 2:02:07pm

re: #130 BeachDem

We mostly get together during cold weather, so I think the going outside to smoke is kind of a cooling down (or freezing your ass off) thing.

Risking pneumonia to risk lung cancer.

135 klys  Aug 23, 2014 2:02:29pm

re: #131 Targetpractice

Yes, of course, it’s the media that makes Darren Wilson look bad. It’s not his bosses sitting on info that these nutters believe would exonerate him or the eyewitness accounts that paint him as a cold-blooded murderer. No, it’s the media who is to blame.

I wonder how long it took them to decide the shooting was justified.

///

136 Targetpractice  Aug 23, 2014 2:03:01pm

re: #133 GeneJockey

I once had a wingnut tell me the reason why oil prices dropped from record highs in early 2008 to very low in early 2009 had nothing to do with the drop in demand that came with the world economy grinding nearly to a halt, but rather was because Bush had hinted at releasing oil from the strategic reserve.

Funny, I was pretty sure the meme for that one was that he’d opened offshore areas to drilling and that’s what led to the drop in oil prices, despite every one of the states that those areas belonged to immediately taking steps to prevent new offshore drilling.

137 thedopefishlives  Aug 23, 2014 2:04:32pm

re: #135 klys

I wonder how long it took them to decide the shooting was justified.

///

As long as it took them to find out the victim was black.

138 BeachDem  Aug 23, 2014 2:04:45pm

re: #123 Charles Johnson

Translation—wah, wah—everybody’s being so mean to us. I love the “we will not hide…make your voices heard,” but don’t give your name.

139 sagehen  Aug 23, 2014 2:05:33pm

re: #110 JDRhoades

Remember 29 percent of Louisiana Republicans blamed Obama for the poor response to hurricane Katrina and 44 percent weren’t sure if he was to blame. John MCCain (who was a POW) blamed Obama for high gas prices during the 2008 campaign.

My favorite was a birther survey wherein 6% of them acknowledged that he was born in Hawaii, but they weren’t at all convinced Hawaii was part of the United States.

140 Targetpractice  Aug 23, 2014 2:06:21pm

re: #138 BeachDem

Translation—wah, wah—everybody’s being so mean to us. I love the “we will not hide…make your voices heard,” but don’t give your name.

Or show up anywhere near Ferguson. Better to protest where the white cops in gear are there to protect you instead of firing tear gas at you.

141 BeachDem  Aug 23, 2014 2:06:39pm

re: #134 GeneJockey

Risking pneumonia to risk lung cancer.

Well, when you put it THAT way, it doesn’t seem like a very practical solution, but…

142 ausador  Aug 23, 2014 2:07:07pm
143 BeachDem  Aug 23, 2014 2:07:38pm

re: #135 klys

I wonder how long it took them to decide the shooting was justified.

///

Can you break it down to nano-seconds (I know you’re good at math!)

144 Maddies Mom  Aug 23, 2014 2:14:05pm

re: #118 BeachDem
Same here, except I’m the only lib and the only one who smokes.

145 Odie Hugh Manatee  Aug 23, 2014 3:04:43pm

re: #60 GeneJockey

That lampshade looks mighty suspicious to me. ;)

146 The War TARDIS  Aug 23, 2014 3:04:48pm

re: #99 GeneJockey

Everyone seems to have a Tardis. Where is mine?

/

147 GeneJockey  Aug 23, 2014 3:09:03pm

re: #136 Targetpractice

Funny, I was pretty sure the meme for that one was that he’d opened offshore areas to drilling and that’s what led to the drop in oil prices, despite every one of the states that those areas belonged to immediately taking steps to prevent new offshore drilling.

Yeah, that might have been it. When I said, “So, the promise of slightly more oil after the 5-10 years it takes to discover and exploit a new field caused an immediate drop in prices?”

Crickets.

148 7-y (Expectation of Great Things in Due Course)  Aug 23, 2014 6:29:46pm

re: #59 ausador

Bit of a problem in Pagedale with a total of 163%—hope they fix that tonight.

149 7-y (Expectation of Great Things in Due Course)  Aug 23, 2014 6:40:32pm

re: #98 FourEyeFreckleFace

Brave person. Tell us more.


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