Animated GIF Graphically Demonstrates Jim Hoft’s Deliberate “Fractured Eye Socket” Deception

Throbbing deception
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Several readers suggested that I make Jim Hoft’s doctored CT scan image into an animated GIF, alternating with the unedited original stock image (which, by the way, can also be seen in this PDF from 2007 at the University of Texas). A “throbbing CT scan,” if you will, to demonstrate how Hoft crudely blacked out “UNIV OF IOWA” from the image he posted to hide its origins and trick people into believing it was Darren Wilson’s CT scan.

So without further ado, graphic evidence of Jim Hoft’s deliberate deception.

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211 comments
1 Gus  Aug 24, 2014 1:04:32pm

Throbbing Memo CT-Scan

2 Shazam  Aug 24, 2014 1:14:05pm

Now do a gif of all the people who reported it as fact.

3 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Aug 24, 2014 1:14:55pm

The speed at which this hoax penetrated mass media is depressing.

Actually, it’s more than a hoax. It’s just, like, a straight-up lie.

4 alpuz  Aug 24, 2014 1:17:23pm

re: #3 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

The speed at which this hoax penetrated mass media is depressing.

Actually, it’s more than a hoax. It’s just, like, a straight-up lie.

This. It spread to local forums pretty dang quick too. I lost my cool on one of the forums I frequent. I don’t think I’ll be going back.

5 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 24, 2014 1:17:46pm

Wow so patriot seems so nice:

Oh look it’s a freaking racist lunatic: (not embedded because, freaking racist lunatic)

6 jaunte  Aug 24, 2014 1:23:29pm

Some Anonbro trying to co-opt the Michael Brown funeral.

7 jaunte  Aug 24, 2014 1:24:31pm
8 nines09  Aug 24, 2014 1:25:30pm

re: #3 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

The speed at which this hoax penetrated mass media is depressing.

Actually, it’s more than a hoax. It’s just, like, a straight-up lie.

SOP for the grifter sycophants who ply the GOP/TP with all the lies they can disseminate. Where are the real journalists and reporters? Oh that’s right. They are HERE. And HERE.

9 nines09  Aug 24, 2014 1:29:24pm

re: #2 Shazam

Now do a gif of all the people who reported it as fact.

I doubt anyone has that capacity or time.

10 wrenchwench  Aug 24, 2014 1:30:05pm

re: #1 Gus

Throbbing Memo CT-Scan

This one is more like winking. Maybe not good for a broken eye-part….

11 Kragar  Aug 24, 2014 1:31:39pm

He also did it without wearing a tie

12 andres  Aug 24, 2014 1:31:52pm

re: #3 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

The speed at which this hoax penetrated mass media is depressing.

Actually, it’s more than a hoax. It’s just, like, a straight-up lie.

Churchill once said that “[a] lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on”. Nowadays, lies travel much faster, while the truth moves at the same rate.

13 Gus  Aug 24, 2014 1:34:24pm
14 ObserverArt  Aug 24, 2014 1:34:52pm

re: #12 andres

Churchill once said that “[a] lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on”. Nowadays, lies travel much faster, while the truth moves at the same rate.

I guess that means you have to deny the truth and accept the lies much faster now too.

Kneejerking.

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15 ausador  Aug 24, 2014 1:36:25pm
16 Rightwingconspirator  Aug 24, 2014 1:39:59pm

Little bit tangential, but it seems those body cameras some police wear are far more dangerous than I would have ever imagined. A real threat to officer safety they say…

Miami-Dade’s police union on Friday moved to thwart Mayor Carlos Gimenez’s plan to equip all county patrol officers with wearable surveillance cameras, saying the devices could place “the lives of the public and the officers in danger.”

In a written grievance filed with the county’s police chief, a union lawyer wrote that wearing the cameras “will distract officers from their duties, and hamper their ability to act and react in dangerous situations …”

Read more here: miamiherald.com

Un freaking believable.

17 Charles Johnson  Aug 24, 2014 1:39:59pm

WTF

18 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Aug 24, 2014 1:40:53pm

Good old times :)

19 Charles Johnson  Aug 24, 2014 1:43:04pm
20 b_sharp  Aug 24, 2014 1:43:11pm

re: #17 Charles Johnson

WTF

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That’s the strangest attempt to poison the well I have ever seen.

21 jaunte  Aug 24, 2014 1:43:56pm

re: #17 Charles Johnson

Like magic, “an individual” becomes entire government agency.

22 Charles Johnson  Aug 24, 2014 1:44:41pm

Oh no. “Liquidate Terrorists” blocked me. Now I’ll never be able to tweet to this raving racist nutbag. I am bereft.

23 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Aug 24, 2014 1:45:37pm

re: #19 Charles Johnson

24 CuriousLurker  Aug 24, 2014 1:46:12pm

re: #16 Rightwingconspirator

Little bit tangential, but it seems those body cameras some police wear are far more dangerous than I would have ever imagined. A real threat to officer safety they say…

Un freaking believable.

From the article:

In its two-page grievance, the Miami-Dade police union cited the distraction caused by officers having to activate the camera before approaching a traffic stop or potential arrest. “As anyone with knowledge of police training and tactics knows, if an officer hesitates for even a second in a life threatening situation, it can cost that officer his or her life, and/or put the lives of others at risk,” the complaint reads. It also cites footage potentially revealing the identify of undercover officers.

What a load of crap.

WRT to the undercover officers, their faces can easily be blurred.

25 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 24, 2014 1:46:34pm
26 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 24, 2014 1:47:27pm

re: #19 Charles Johnson

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Awww. I haz a sad :(

27 jaunte  Aug 24, 2014 1:47:30pm

Assertions become facts with one weird trick at the end of the sentence. FACT

28 CuriousLurker  Aug 24, 2014 1:49:11pm

re: #23 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

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Presumably s/he means “some white people” like her/himself.

29 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 24, 2014 1:50:42pm

re: #22 Charles Johnson

Oh no. “Liquidate Terrorists” blocked me. Now I’ll never be able to tweet to this raving racist nutbag. I am bereft.

Inorite? I felt the same way when “Franci” blocked me.

30 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Aug 24, 2014 1:51:43pm

re: #29 Pie-onist Overlord

Inorite? I felt the same way when “Franci” blocked me.

How will you live?!

31 gwangung  Aug 24, 2014 1:52:54pm

re: #23 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

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When confronted by people like these, black folks and other people of color start giggling uncontrollably. FACT.

32 Gus  Aug 24, 2014 1:55:36pm

It’s been a rough day. What with all this rejection from wingnuts. [sniff] //

33 Decatur Deb  Aug 24, 2014 1:56:34pm

re: #32 Gus

It’s been a rough day. What with all this rejection from wingnuts. [sniff] //

They’re thinning their lists. Have you priced Christmas cards lately?

34 PhillyPretzel  Aug 24, 2014 1:57:43pm

re: #33 Decatur Deb

I wait for the after Christmas sales. :)

35 Decatur Deb  Aug 24, 2014 1:59:04pm

re: #34 PhillyPretzel

I wait for the after Christmas sales. :)

Just mailmerge some tasteful robo e-cards.

36 KerFuFFler  Aug 24, 2014 1:59:21pm

re: #16 Rightwingconspirator

In a written grievance filed with the county’s police chief, a union lawyer wrote that wearing the cameras “will distract officers from their duties, and hamper their ability to act and react in dangerous situations …”

How in the hell would the cameras be distracting unless officers are preoccupied with how to “inadvertently” disable them? Cameras are small and comfortable now, and besides, they would be showing what the officer sees, not capturing every moment an officer picks his nose or scratches his butt making them feel self-conscious. If they keep officers polite, well, aren’t they polite already?//

(Cameras will probably encourage citizens to be better behaved too, so perhaps they should consider how much easier this will make law enforcement.)

37 ausador  Aug 24, 2014 2:02:32pm

re: #22 Charles Johnson

Oh no. “Liquidate Terrorists” blocked me. Now I’ll never be able to tweet to this raving racist nutbag. I am bereft.

{{{{{{{{Charles}}}}}}}}

38 Gus  Aug 24, 2014 2:04:31pm
39 Charles Johnson  Aug 24, 2014 2:04:56pm
40 PhillyPretzel  Aug 24, 2014 2:05:08pm

re: #38 Gus

RIP Sir Richard Attenborough. opps He was a lord.

41 Jenner7  Aug 24, 2014 2:05:40pm

What the fuck?? Awful people.

42 KerFuFFler  Aug 24, 2014 2:06:37pm

re: #38 Gus

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I feel so bad updinging that, but thanks for letting us know….

43 CuriousLurker  Aug 24, 2014 2:07:57pm

re: #38 Gus

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Man, you scared me there for a sec—the minute I read Attenborough I thought of David, the one who narrates all the BBC nature stuff. Turns out Richard is his elder brother. RIP

44 Gus  Aug 24, 2014 2:08:11pm

re: #39 Charles Johnson

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OMG! OMG! OMG! You called him the “v-word!!!” //

45 A Mom Anon  Aug 24, 2014 2:09:12pm

re: #41 Jenner7

Seriously? A good kill? Like it was a deer or a “thing” that was shot. Fucking Sociopaths.

46 CuriousLurker  Aug 24, 2014 2:10:16pm

re: #45 A Mom Anon

This morning I read about your friend passing. {{{AMA}}}

47 lostlakehiker  Aug 24, 2014 2:10:34pm

re: #36 KerFuFFler

How in the hell would the cameras be distracting unless officers are preoccupied with how to “inadvertently” disable them? Cameras are small and comfortable now, and besides, they would be showing what the officer sees, not capturing every moment an officer picks his nose or scratches his butt making them feel self-conscious. If they keep officers polite, well, aren’t they polite already?//

(Cameras will probably encourage citizens to be better behaved too, so perhaps they should consider how much easier this will make law enforcement.)

Absolutely. Cameras put everybody on their best behavior. Even tigers, which are far less prone to attack a man wearing a hat with big eyes printed on the back. And people cheat less when there’s a drawing up on the wall overlooking the testing location of a pair of eyes watching.

When you’re fixing to do something that may be opposed, you don’t want an audience. Goes for cops, robbers, and tigers. Lions and bears, probably. Even Dorothy.

48 ausador  Aug 24, 2014 2:10:59pm

re: #41 Jenner7

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What the fuck?? Awful people.

Peace signs, wtf?

49 Charles Johnson  Aug 24, 2014 2:11:17pm
50 lostlakehiker  Aug 24, 2014 2:12:55pm

re: #16 Rightwingconspirator

re: #16 Rightwingconspirator

Little bit tangential, but it seems those body cameras some police wear are far more dangerous than I would have ever imagined. A real threat to officer safety they say…

Un freaking believable.

Some unions never take a breath and think what they’re saying before going and supporting their members. My country right or wrong attitudes have to have a limit somewhere.

51 A Mom Anon  Aug 24, 2014 2:15:20pm

re: #46 CuriousLurker

(((to you too))) It’s been a shit weekend. Sigh.

52 Higgs Boson's Mate  Aug 24, 2014 2:17:16pm

re: #41 Jenner7

I’m Spartacus!

53 ausador  Aug 24, 2014 2:17:18pm
54 Stanley Sea  Aug 24, 2014 2:17:25pm

re: #45 A Mom Anon

Sorry you lost your friend AMA.

55 BeachDem  Aug 24, 2014 2:18:58pm

re: #41 Jenner7

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What the fuck?? Awful people.

She went on to say “One of my best friends…”

56 b_sharp  Aug 24, 2014 2:19:15pm

re: #51 A Mom Anon

(((to you too))) It’s been a shit weekend. Sigh.

What did I miss?

57 A Mom Anon  Aug 24, 2014 2:20:10pm

re: #54 Stanley Sea

Me too. He was a really good guy who came from a pretty shitty family situation (abusive angry dad, etc). Hard working blue collar guy who never had a whole lot but always shared what he had. And just an amazing Dad. I remember talking to him when his first kid was born, he was scared to death, lol. But he grew into the role like he was born to it. I miss him so much.

58 CuriousLurker  Aug 24, 2014 2:20:27pm

re: #43 CuriousLurker

Man, you scared me there for a sec—the minute I read Attenborough I thought of David, the one who narrates all the BBC nature stuff. Turns out Richard is his elder brother. RIP

Kind of sad for David—seems like he also lost his younger brother in 2012, so now he’s the only surviving sibling. Interesting story I was unaware of from WWII, when the brothers were still kids (ages 11, 13 and 16):

In September 1939, the Attenboroughs took in two German-Jewish refugee girls, Helga and Irene Bejach (aged 9 and 11), who lived with them in College House and were adopted by the family after the war when it was discovered that their parents had been killed. They moved to America in the 1950s and lived with an uncle, where they married and took American citizenship. They are both now deceased. […]

en.wikipedia.org

59 lostlakehiker  Aug 24, 2014 2:20:38pm

re: #24 CuriousLurker

Information security isn’t quite that simple. A pattern of who’s where can paint a picture that exposes an undercover cop. Blurring faces but leaving clothing and body language intact won’t long prevent the bad guys from connecting the dots.

I’m all in favor of cameras but they’re going to have to think through these kinds of security decisions and not just wing them with some face blurring. The initial topic of this very thread is a perfect example of what happens when you’re trying to run a deception and your technique is slipshod.

Your secret slips out just like that.

That’s fine when it comes to “orbital blowout” trickery but undercover cops have to know that the security side of the new technology has been attended to.

60 A Mom Anon  Aug 24, 2014 2:21:59pm

re: #56 b_sharp

Good friend of The Husband and myself succumbed to stage 4 lung cancer yesterday. He introduced me to The Husband 20 plus years ago. Just the worst thing ever to happen to one of the best men I’ve ever known.

61 SteelPH  Aug 24, 2014 2:22:45pm

re: #60 A Mom Anon

Good friend of The Husband and myself succumbed to stage 4 lung cancer yesterday. He introduced me to The Husband 20 plus years ago. Just the worst thing ever to happen to one of the best men I’ve ever known.

{{A Mom Anon}}

62 b_sharp  Aug 24, 2014 2:24:13pm

re: #60 A Mom Anon

Good friend of The Husband and myself succumbed to stage 4 lung cancer yesterday. He introduced me to The Husband 20 plus years ago. Just the worst thing ever to happen to one of the best men I’ve ever known.

I knew he was sick. I wasn’t aware he had died. I’m so sorry for your pain Mom.

{{{ AMA }}}

63 ausador  Aug 24, 2014 2:28:23pm

re: #55 BeachDem

She went on to say “One of my best friends…”

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They had to start somewhere, didn’t they?

64 De Kolta Chair  Aug 24, 2014 2:28:56pm

re: #38 Gus

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For me, the best thing Richard Attenborough directed was his 1972 Churchill biopic “Young Winston.” Rousing old school British Empire folderol, with nice attention paid to period detail and excellent performances by Simon Ward as Winnie and Anne Bancroft as his American mum.

65 CuriousLurker  Aug 24, 2014 2:29:49pm

Holy crap. The stuff some people tweet. Just had to unfollow a liberal who usually tweets pretty good stuff, but… sheesh… there are some things I really don’t want to see, FFS.

66 A Mom Anon  Aug 24, 2014 2:31:43pm

Thanks everyone for the kindness. It’s refreshing when all you seem to find these days, online, in the news, in politics and policymaking is such meanness and spitefulness. I’d like to think that the more kindness that goes out there, the less the awful shit will take root. I am trying to carry forward with the attitude that no kindness is EVER a waste, even if the person it’s directed towards doesn’t appreciate it.

Some see that as weakness, I feel nothing but pity for those that do. Oh, and fuck them with rusty farm implements, kindly, lol.

67 KerFuFFler  Aug 24, 2014 2:34:29pm

re: #41 Jenner7

Daren Wilson supporter Tina Morrison (left): “It was a good shooting, you know. It was a good kill.”
What the fuck?? Awful people.

The willful stupidity of such morons is mind-boggling. What proof do they have that it was a “good shooting”? The people “on the other side” of this issue by and large do not insist that they know for a fact that it was a bad shoot, but they know it needs to be investigated thoroughly. Furthermore, there are several possible indicators that it was a bad shoot:

1. Brown was unarmed
2. Brown had run far away from the officer.
3. The officer fired some shots (though he missed) while Brown fled.
4. There was a defensive wound through the palm of Brown’s hand when it was up in front of his face.
5. The final shot was through the top of Brown’s skull.
6. The FPD and the SLCPD do not seem to have followed good procedure for handling an important investigation.
7. Law enforcement has been avoiding transparency as much as possible.
8. Law enforcement has orchestrated a smear campaign of the victim.
9. Wilson did not file an appropriate incident report.
10. Wilson used to work on a police force that was dismantled because of corruption and racism.
11. The FPD has a history of letting it’s officers do horrible stuff——-like when they beat up an innocent black man in custody and then charged him with bleeding on their uniforms.
12. Accounts from four eye witnesses say it was a bad shoot.
13. No gunpowder residue on Brown indicates he was not close enough to Wilson to be a threat.

I’m sure there is more, but I better quit before I start flipping desks….

68 Gus  Aug 24, 2014 2:36:43pm
69 De Kolta Chair  Aug 24, 2014 2:37:15pm

re: #41 Jenner7

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What the fuck?? Awful people.

Peace symbols my arse. Feckin’ racist attention whores.

70 CuriousLurker  Aug 24, 2014 2:38:22pm

re: #68 Gus

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Nope, it’s not about race at all… //

71 BeachDem  Aug 24, 2014 2:39:19pm

re: #67 KerFuFFler

Please don’t bother them with those silly facts, their minds are made up.

72 Charles Johnson  Aug 24, 2014 2:46:45pm
73 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Aug 24, 2014 2:46:54pm

re: #65 CuriousLurker

Holy crap. The stuff some people tweet. Just had to unfollow a liberal who usually tweets pretty good stuff, but… sheesh… there are some things I really don’t want to see, FFS.

What did he tweet?

74 Charles Johnson  Aug 24, 2014 2:47:13pm
75 Charles Johnson  Aug 24, 2014 2:47:31pm
76 Stanley Sea  Aug 24, 2014 2:48:56pm

re: #68 Gus

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My dog

77 CuriousLurker  Aug 24, 2014 2:51:03pm

re: #73 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

What did he tweet?

Just remember that you can’t unsee it. This (NSFW).

It’s every bit as bad as, if not worse than, the sleazy stuff the wingnuts post. Ugh.

78 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Aug 24, 2014 2:51:49pm

re: #77 CuriousLurker

ewww :D

79 ausador  Aug 24, 2014 2:52:14pm

re: #68 Gus

Gee, I never noticed the resemblance to Bobby Jindal until now… ///

80 Rightwingconspirator  Aug 24, 2014 2:52:44pm

re: #77 CuriousLurker

Somewhere a voice is loudly insisting it was really cold that day…

81 Gus  Aug 24, 2014 2:52:54pm
82 CuriousLurker  Aug 24, 2014 2:53:48pm

re: #78 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

ewww :D

The worst part was that I was using Tweetdeck, so I couldn’t really tell what it was and clicked to enlarge it… *grimace*

83 Gus  Aug 24, 2014 2:54:14pm
84 Gus  Aug 24, 2014 2:55:45pm

(o.o(O.O)o.o)

85 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Aug 24, 2014 2:58:16pm

re: #84 Gus

(o.o(O.O)o.o)

Who dat?

86 BeachDem  Aug 24, 2014 2:58:38pm

re: #77 CuriousLurker

I’m not going to look, but am just curious—is Tuxedo misspelled deliberately for some kind of ironic statement, or is the tweeter just an idiot?

87 Gus  Aug 24, 2014 2:58:56pm

re: #85 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

Who dat?

LEO hiring practices.

88 CuriousLurker  Aug 24, 2014 2:59:08pm

re: #85 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

Who dat?

Heh, makes me think of spider eyes.

89 bubba zanetti  Aug 24, 2014 3:00:28pm

They’re trying to weasel out by putting “File Photo” under the doctored image, cropping out the altered portion.

90 Stanley Sea  Aug 24, 2014 3:00:39pm

Poision Town.

91 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Aug 24, 2014 3:00:47pm

re: #88 CuriousLurker

Heh, makes me think of spider eyes.

Makes me think of aliens.

92 jaunte  Aug 24, 2014 3:02:14pm

re: #89 bubba zanetti

we placed (file image) under the pic

Wow. So transparency.

93 CuriousLurker  Aug 24, 2014 3:02:42pm

re: #86 BeachDem

I’m not going to look, but am just curious—is Tuxedo misspelled deliberately for some kind of ironic statement, or is the tweeter just an idiot?

Hmm, good question. I never even noticed that, so I don’t know. I’ve been following him/her for a good long time and only saw typical liberal stuff till today.

94 ausador  Aug 24, 2014 3:02:50pm

re: #86 BeachDem

I’m not going to look, but am just curious—is Tuxedo misspelled deliberately for some kind of ironic statement, or is the tweeter just an idiot?

People tend to use creative spelling when the normal way is already taken as a username, doesn’t mean anything necessarily.

95 CuriousLurker  Aug 24, 2014 3:05:48pm

re: #94 ausador

People tend to use creative spelling when the normal way is already taken as a username, doesn’t mean anything necessarily.

I was thinking along the same lines since his/her profile pic is a tuxedo cat.

96 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 24, 2014 3:07:08pm
97 De Kolta Chair  Aug 24, 2014 3:07:49pm

re: #96 Pie-onist Overlord

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High % of union members too. 35% of private sector workers were unionized by the end of the 1950s. Maybe Joe McCarthy & Roy Cohn were right about Ike being a commie after all.

98 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Aug 24, 2014 3:07:55pm

re: #89 bubba zanetti

I, for one, wouldn’t know how to interpret “file image”. Reminds me of various cases of fine print assholism.

99 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 24, 2014 3:08:22pm

re: #65 CuriousLurker

Holy crap. The stuff some people tweet. Just had to unfollow a liberal who usually tweets pretty good stuff, but… sheesh… there are some things I really don’t want to see, FFS.

I block everyone who tweets “ISIS” death porn, which is almost always Syrian 2009 death porn.

100 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 24, 2014 3:09:05pm

Aww Franci block me but she still has teh boners for me.

101 A Mom Anon  Aug 24, 2014 3:09:17pm

re: #96 Pie-onist Overlord

Oooh lets see what crap you get for that. I’m sure the “liberal” part of that will be a part of the answer….

I just wish people would read ACTUAL history books, not the wingnut versions. Sigh.

102 BeachDem  Aug 24, 2014 3:10:21pm

re: #94 ausador

People tend to use creative spelling when the normal way is already taken as a username, doesn’t mean anything necessarily.

Ah—I don’t tweet, so didn’t know. (But I prefer to think the worst.) //

103 CuriousLurker  Aug 24, 2014 3:11:14pm

re: #99 Pie-onist Overlord

I block everyone who tweets “ISIS” death porn, which is almost always Syrian 2009 death porn.

Same here, I’ve unfollowed and/or blocked tons of people over the past couple of months over ISIS & Gaza death porn, not to mention the usual -isms.

104 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 24, 2014 3:12:54pm
105 De Kolta Chair  Aug 24, 2014 3:16:41pm

re: #100 Pie-onist Overlord

Aww Franci block me but she still has teh boners for me.

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Franci’s middle finger is Charles Dickens? Talk about Great Expectations in a Bleak House.

106 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 24, 2014 3:19:16pm

Our 43rd anniversary is Wednesday. I bought Zedushka a smartphone to replace the one he lost (of course he will find it as soon as he opens the new one!) and making reservations at a new steakhouse!

107 BeachDem  Aug 24, 2014 3:19:17pm

re: #104 Pie-onist Overlord

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If you tweet her back, ask her “who’s in line for a free dictionary?”

(My name is BeachDem and I am a spelling/grammar pedant.)

108 De Kolta Chair  Aug 24, 2014 3:20:08pm

re: #104 Pie-onist Overlord

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A quick perusal of Franci’s Facebook page explains the current shortage of exclamation points.

109 Aqua Obama  Aug 24, 2014 3:20:29pm

re: #81 Gus

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What a shit cherry on top of this shit sundae

110 Decatur Deb  Aug 24, 2014 3:20:51pm

re: #98 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

I, for one, wouldn’t know how to interpret “file image”. Reminds me of various cases of fine print assholism.

Means it’s in a file. Whose? When? Who the hell knows?

111 CuriousLurker  Aug 24, 2014 3:21:13pm

Sheesh, I was gonna open a Tumblr account, but them I read their TOS:

Subscriber Content License to Tumblr:

When you provide Subscriber Content to Tumblr through the Services, you grant Tumblr a non-exclusive, worldwide, royalty-free, sublicensable, transferable right and license to use, host, store, cache, reproduce, publish, display (publicly or otherwise), perform (publicly or otherwise), distribute, transmit, modify, adapt (including, without limitation, in order to conform it to the requirements of any networks, devices, services, or media through which the Services are available), and create derivative works of, such Subscriber Content. […]

tumblr.com

Um, NO.

I think I’m gonna go play with WordPress functions now…

Later, lizards.

112 Patricia Kayden  Aug 24, 2014 3:23:00pm

re: #67 KerFuFFler

Thank you.

It cannot be said enough that something stinks in the way Michael Brown’s murder has been handled by the Ferguson Police Force. I’m not saying that Wilson was motivated by racism, but at this point in time, I just don’t see how his shooting of an unarmed teenager can be justified. At the very least, I hope the citizens of Ferguson vote for politicians who will make changes in the way the police do business.

113 Patricia Kayden  Aug 24, 2014 3:26:05pm

re: #83 Gus

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Wow. Ferguson needs to pass legislation that police officers need to live in the community they serve. It’s obviously an “us against them” mentality.

114 Archangelus  Aug 24, 2014 3:26:14pm

re: #83 Gus

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What.

The.

F**K.

115 Gus  Aug 24, 2014 3:26:30pm
116 Gus  Aug 24, 2014 3:27:46pm

Account suspended

117 ausador  Aug 24, 2014 3:28:31pm

re: #104 Pie-onist Overlord

118 PhillyPretzel  Aug 24, 2014 3:28:32pm

re: #116 Gus

The “darren” account?

119 Aqua Obama  Aug 24, 2014 3:29:10pm

Ladies and Gentlemen, the Great State of Missouri!

Ferguson Police Officer Justin Cosma Hog-Tied And Injured A Young Child, Lawsuit Alleges

Family Gets Driven Out of Missouri Town After Daughter Gets Raped

Rush Limbaugh Bust Joins President, Slave, Indian Guide in Missouri Capitol

Animal rights group warns Missouri ballot measure would protect puppy farming

Missouri Police Officer: “I Kill Everyone”

120 ausador  Aug 24, 2014 3:29:34pm

re: #111 CuriousLurker

Sheesh, I was gonna open a Tumblr account, but them I read their TOS:

Um, NO.

I think I’m gonna go play with WordPress functions now…

Later, lizards.

All your content is belonging to us…

121 Gus  Aug 24, 2014 3:30:52pm

re: #118 PhillyPretzel

The “darren” account?

@PrayForDarren

122 Gus  Aug 24, 2014 3:31:39pm

Michael Brown Jr. (May 20, 1996 - August 9, 2014)

He turned 18 THIS YEAR. More BS from RWNJs.

123 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Aug 24, 2014 3:33:45pm

re: #96 Pie-onist Overlord

The Greatest President of the 20th Century Played 800 Rounds of Golf

I’m going to dispute that Eisenhower was the greatest president of the 20th century. :)

124 Gus  Aug 24, 2014 3:34:26pm

It’s back.

125 Dr. Matt  Aug 24, 2014 3:36:04pm

re: #89 bubba zanetti

They’re trying to weasel out by putting “File Photo” under the doctored image, cropping out the altered portion.

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It makes zero sense that anyone would post a file photo of a contrast CT in a story about someone’s supposed orbital blowout….unless, of course, 1) you are purposely deceiving you’re mentally impaired audience or 2) you run a medical imaging blog and you are proving an example of such an injury.

126 PhillyPretzel  Aug 24, 2014 3:36:40pm

re: #124 Gus

That did not last long.

127 ausador  Aug 24, 2014 3:36:51pm

re: #115 Gus

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Same criminal record that was posted/debunked by the freepers two weeks ago I assume?
(if even the freepers can catch the problem with getting a DUI at two years of age then no one else has any excuse not to)

128 De Kolta Chair  Aug 24, 2014 3:37:46pm

re: #112 Patricia Kayden

Thank you.

It cannot be said enough that something stinks in the way Michael Brown’s murder has been handled by the Ferguson Police Force. I’m not saying that Wilson was motivated by racism, but at this point in time, I just don’t see how his shooting of an unarmed teenager can be justified. At the very least, I hope the citizens of Ferguson vote for politicians who will make changes in the way the police do business.

I have a feeling that the voter registration rolls in Ferguson are already soaring.

129 Gus  Aug 24, 2014 3:37:54pm

re: #126 PhillyPretzel

That did not last long.

Well, it’s gone again. Must be something weird going on with my cache.

130 calochortus  Aug 24, 2014 3:39:34pm

re: #127 ausador

Same criminal record that was posted/debunked by the freepers two weeks ago I assume?
(if even the freepers can catch the problem with getting a DUI at two years of age then no one else has any excuse not to)

Because there couldn’t possibly be 2 Michael Browns in the greater St. Louis area? (Assuming they didn’t just make it all up.)

131 Gus  Aug 24, 2014 3:39:58pm

Wait. Back again! Ha. Weird.

132 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 24, 2014 3:40:06pm

Wingnut sais she blocked me but keeps Tweeting at me WTF BLOCK ME ALREADY U FUCK.

133 BeachDem  Aug 24, 2014 3:42:26pm

And the Fox logic train continues. Last week, when Fox had their big panel discussion about race relations (which included 5 white people on the panel)

After saying, “Eric Holder is one of the biggest race-baiters in this entire country. He runs that DOJ like the Black Panthers would,” Andrea Tantaros zeroed in on his 2009 speech when he said:

“Though this nation has proudly thought of itself as an ethnic melting pot, in things racial we have always been and continue to be, in too many ways, essentially a nation of cowards.”

To support her argument, the brainiac then said, “A nation of cowards? He said a nation of cowards. You know, Eric, the 350,000 people that died in the Civil War? I think that they, uh, they’re probably not cowards.”

Yep—a Civil War reference to discuss race relations in the 21st century. Fox News—We Make Shit Up, You Nod Your Head and Put On Your White Hood.

Youtube Video

134 Decatur Deb  Aug 24, 2014 3:44:07pm

re: #127 ausador

Same criminal record that was posted/debunked by the freepers two weeks ago I assume?
(if even the freepers can catch the problem with getting a DUI at two years of age then no one else has any excuse not to)

No, looks like a much smaller and newer history. The Freeped version had him a felon while gestating.

135 Dr. Matt  Aug 24, 2014 3:44:12pm

re: #133 BeachDem

I’m VERY surprise she didn’t refer to it as the “war of Northern aggression “.

136 GeneJockey  Aug 24, 2014 3:44:27pm

re: #132 Pie-onist Overlord

Wingnut sais she blocked me but keeps Tweeting at me WTF BLOCK ME ALREADY U FUCK.

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Wait - how does her post even make sense? She seems more and more like a garden variety moron.

137 Decatur Deb  Aug 24, 2014 3:47:33pm

re: #136 GeneJockey

Wait - how does her post even make sense? She seems more and more like a garden variety moron.

Hey. She’s striking a blow for the Founding Fathers, and she’s rolling.

138 De Kolta Chair  Aug 24, 2014 3:48:05pm

re: #133 BeachDem

To support her argument, the brainiac then said, “A nation of cowards? He said a nation of cowards. You know, Eric, the 350,000 people that died in the Civil War? I think that they, uh, they’re probably not cowards.”

Actually, Andrea Tantaros, 618,222 men died in the Civil War, not 350,000. So who’s discounting who again?

139 BeachDem  Aug 24, 2014 3:48:31pm

re: #134 Decatur Deb

No, looks like a much smaller and newer history. The Freeped version had him a felon while gestating.

All will become crystal clear once intrepid, AWARD-WINNING JOURNALIST, ChuckyC, prevails in his suit to open juvenile records (which he was told in no uncertain terms the first time around were none of his damned business.)

140 Gus  Aug 24, 2014 3:48:32pm
141 Decatur Deb  Aug 24, 2014 3:48:47pm

re: #138 De Kolta Chair

Actually, Andrea Tantaros, 618,222 men died in the Civil War, not 350,000. So who’s discounting who again?

Don’t think she’s counting Yankees.

142 ausador  Aug 24, 2014 3:49:08pm

re: #130 calochortus

Because there couldn’t possibly be 2 Michael Browns in the greater St. Louis area? (Assuming they didn’t just make it all up.)

The guy who posted the “record” came back and said “Oh, you mean THE Michael Brown? These are the records of EVERY Michael Brown in Missouri.”

He had simply smooshed them all together into one long list with no regard to individuals or location. Another wanna be Jim Hoft I guess…

143 calochortus  Aug 24, 2014 3:49:51pm

re: #142 ausador

*facepalm*

144 danarchy  Aug 24, 2014 3:50:19pm

re: #138 De Kolta Chair

Actually, Andrea Tantaros, 618,222 men died in the Civil War, not 350,000. So who’s discounting who again?

Maybe she is just counting Union soldiers?

145 GeneJockey  Aug 24, 2014 3:53:20pm

re: #144 danarchy

Maybe she is just counting Union soldiers?

Doesn’t really matter. She’s still dumb as a post.

146 BeachDem  Aug 24, 2014 3:56:09pm

re: #141 Decatur Deb

Don’t think she’s counting Yankees.

Don’t think she knows how to count.

147 Gus  Aug 24, 2014 3:57:19pm

The Darren Wilson response from the RWNJs is almost a textbook response from them.

148 BeachDem  Aug 24, 2014 3:58:39pm

re: #142 ausador

The guy who posted the “record” came back and said “Oh, you mean THE Michael Brown? These are the records of EVERY Michael Brown in Missouri.”

He had simply smooshed them all together into one long list with no regard to individuals or location. Another wanna be Jim Hoft I guess…

Hey, he probably plunked down 10 bucks for a public records search, and he wasn’t going to let that money go to waste.

149 GeneJockey  Aug 24, 2014 4:00:22pm

re: #147 Gus

The Darren Wilson response from the RWNJs is almost a textbook response from them.

And that textbook is, “Racism For Dumbies”

150 ausador  Aug 24, 2014 4:01:25pm

re: #133 BeachDem

To support her argument, the brainiac then said, “A nation of cowards? He said a nation of cowards. You know, Eric, the 350,000 people that died in the Civil War? I think that they, uh, they’re probably not cowards.”

The civil war killed 620 - 640,000 people according to the best current estimates, this when the nation only had a population of 31 million. She has no clue how horrible it was in reality. Almost one out of every 24 men in the entire country died in that war.

151 De Kolta Chair  Aug 24, 2014 4:03:30pm

re: #141 Decatur Deb

Don’t think she’s counting Yankees.

The Confederate death toll was 258,000, so she added on a couple.

Jeez, what does she do for relaxation, tip over tombstones?

152 Higgs Boson's Mate  Aug 24, 2014 4:04:25pm

re: #139 BeachDem

All will become crystal clear once intrepid, AWARD-WINNING JOURNALIST, ChuckyC, prevails in his suit to open juvenile records (which he was told in no uncertain terms the first time around were none of his damned business.)

I’m certain that ChuckyC would be totally cool with having his juvenile records made available to the public.

153 Sionainn  Aug 24, 2014 4:04:36pm

re: #60 A Mom Anon

Good friend of The Husband and myself succumbed to stage 4 lung cancer yesterday. He introduced me to The Husband 20 plus years ago. Just the worst thing ever to happen to one of the best men I’ve ever known.

I’m so sorry to hear about the loss of your friend.

154 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 24, 2014 4:05:27pm

re: #123 Rev_Arthur_Belling

I’m going to dispute that Eisenhower was the greatest president of the 20th century. :)

Greatest REPUBLICAN President

155 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 24, 2014 4:06:35pm

re: #138 De Kolta Chair

Actually, Andrea Tantaros, 618,222 men died in the Civil War, not 350,000. So who’s discounting who again?

She’s only counting the White Confederates.

156 GeneJockey  Aug 24, 2014 4:07:06pm

Cycling photos from today’s ride. For Peninsulans, this is on Alpine in Portola Valley.

Repaved and repainted!

Nothing like a friend between your legs…..

157 Dark_Falcon  Aug 24, 2014 4:08:05pm

re: #23 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

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158 Dr. Matt  Aug 24, 2014 4:10:37pm
159 calochortus  Aug 24, 2014 4:11:37pm

re: #156 GeneJockey

We were out hiking Windy Hill this morning-maybe we passed you while driving there or back?

160 GeneJockey  Aug 24, 2014 4:12:27pm
“it is people like #EricHolder that cause some white people to resent blacks . FACT”

This is literally true. They resent successful black people who don’t drink the Right Wing Koolaid.

161 Dark_Falcon  Aug 24, 2014 4:13:09pm

re: #154 Pie-onist Overlord

Greatest REPUBLICAN President

I’m actually going to argue that was in fact Teddy Roosevelt, but a good case can be made for Ike. To me you can vary the order but the top three Republicans of the 20th Century were TR, Eisenhower, and Reagan.

The greatest president of the 20th Century was Franklin D. Roosevelt. I don’t enjoy saying that, but it is the conclusion that best fits the facts.

162 Dark_Falcon  Aug 24, 2014 4:15:22pm

re: #155 Pie-onist Overlord

She’s only counting the White Confederates.

Thus earning Andrea Tantaros My Standing Answer To Neo-Confederates:

Youtube Video

164 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Aug 24, 2014 4:16:21pm

re: #161 Dark_Falcon

I’m actually going to argue that was in fact Teddy Roosevelt, but a good case can be made for Ike. To me you can vary the order but the top three Republicans of the 20th Century were TR, Eisenhower, and Reagan.

The greatest president of the 20th Century was Franklin D. Roosevelt. I don’t enjoy saying that, but it is the conclusion that best fits the facts.

I was going to go with FDR too.

165 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Aug 24, 2014 4:16:50pm

re: #154 Pie-onist Overlord

Greatest REPUBLICAN President

I thought that might have been your point. :)

166 De Kolta Chair  Aug 24, 2014 4:17:03pm

re: #160 GeneJockey

This is literally true. They resent successful black people who don’t drink the Right Wing Koolaid.

I despised the truly despicable John Mitchell and Ed Meese, but that didn’t make me resent all white people.

167 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 24, 2014 4:18:00pm

re: #161 Dark_Falcon

I’m actually going to argue that was in fact Teddy Roosevelt, but a good case can be made for Ike. To me you can vary the order but the top three Republicans of the 20th Century were TR, Eisenhower, and Reagan.

The greatest president of the 20th Century was Franklin D. Roosevelt. I don’t enjoy saying that, but it is the conclusion that best fits the facts.

I meant Ike was Greatest GOP POTUS. FDR was Greatest POTUS.

TR was “Republican” but he was progressive, nothing to do with today’s GOP.

I know wingnuts put more weight on nomenclature than on actual party platform.

168 b_sharp  Aug 24, 2014 4:19:03pm

Are not all images placed on file with a patient’s medical information called file images? I don’t think file image specifically means that it was taken from an educational publication.

169 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Aug 24, 2014 4:19:55pm

re: #168 b_sharp

Are not all images placed on file with a patient’s medical information called file images? I don’t think file image specifically means that it was taken from an educational publication.

Like with most things, the Dumbest Man on the Internet misuses the term “file image” as well.

170 BeachDem  Aug 24, 2014 4:20:25pm

OK—I thought this was pretty cute. In the comment section of Raw Story’s article about Hoft and the fractured eye-socket:

smkngman3 • 5 hours ago
I find it telling that LGF, a right wing site debunked this story almost FIVE days ago.

creolechild smkngman3 • 5 hours ago
I read on his site that he abandoned right wing ideology in either 2007 or 2009 (not sure which). He banned a majority of his former posters and now supports ideologies associated with the left wing.

cheeriogirl creolechild • 4 hours ago
He banned a majority of his former posters and now supports ideologies associated with truth.
There, I fixed it for you.

creolechild cheeriogirl • 4 hours ago
Thank you, cheeriogirl!


(PS— bold is mine, and Cheeriogirl is the best—know her well from other sites)

171 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Aug 24, 2014 4:20:34pm

re: #168 b_sharp

Are not all images placed on file with a patient’s medical information called file images? I don’t think file image specifically means that it was taken from an educational publication.

Yep. With that they would have already been dishonest, but photoshopping sealed the deal.

172 GeneJockey  Aug 24, 2014 4:21:21pm

re: #159 calochortus

We were out hiking Windy Hill this morning-maybe we passed you while driving there or back?

I’d estimate I passed Windy Hill at about 1:00- 1:30. I like Windy Hill, but it’s a long way for us to drive to walk!

173 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 24, 2014 4:22:24pm

re: #170 BeachDem

I read on his site that he abandoned right wing ideology in either 2007 or 2009 (not sure which). He banned a majority of his former posters and now supports ideologies associated with the left wing objective accuracy.

174 Dark_Falcon  Aug 24, 2014 4:22:46pm

re: #167 Pie-onist Overlord

Sorry, but that’s not a distinction I’m willing to grant after 1900. The reason being that it tasks TR out of play and gives Dems the opportunity to evade some of the fault for Woodrow Wilson, one of the two Bad Character Failures among 20th Century presidents (Richard Nixon was the other).

175 Charles Johnson  Aug 24, 2014 4:22:53pm

re: #168 b_sharp

Are not all images placed on file with a patient’s medical information called file images? I don’t think file image specifically means that it was taken from an educational publication.

He’s trying to claim using “file image” absolves him of blame if someone is tricked by his use of the photo. It’s really beyond pathetic, and only a true dimwit would even try to say something like this.

He could have simply added a line that said, “An example CT scan of an orbital fracture,” and no one would have been confused.

It’s incredibly obvious that he intended to trick people into thinking it was Wilson’s scan. And he did.

176 BeachDem  Aug 24, 2014 4:22:57pm

re: #150 ausador

The civil war killed 620 - 640,000 people according to the best current estimates, this when the nation only had a population of 31 million. She has no clue how horrible it was in reality. Almost one out of every 24 men in the entire country died in that war.

And also—see above.

177 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Aug 24, 2014 4:23:01pm

re: #167 Pie-onist Overlord

I meant Ike was Greatest GOP POTUS. FDR was Greatest POTUS.

TR was “Republican” but he was progressive, nothing to do with today’s GOP.

I know wingnuts put more weight on nomenclature than on actual party platform.

I think it would be hard for any president to top FDR given the term limit thing now.

178 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Aug 24, 2014 4:23:40pm

re: #174 Dark_Falcon

Sorry, but that’s not a distinction I’m willing to grant after 1900. The reason being that it tasks TR out of play and gives Dems the opportunity to evade some of the fault for Woodrow Wilson, one of the two Bad Character Failures among 20th Century presidents (Richard Nixon was the other).

Wasn’t Hoover also a 20th century Bad Character Failure?

179 calochortus  Aug 24, 2014 4:23:51pm

re: #172 GeneJockey

I’d estimate I passed Windy Hill at about 1:00- 1:30. I like Windy Hill, but it’s a long way for us to drive to walk!

We were back home by then, but it was a lovely day for hiking or cycling.

180 BeachDem  Aug 24, 2014 4:24:35pm

re: #152 Higgs Boson’s Mate

I’m certain that ChuckyC would be totally cool with having his juvenile records made available to the public.

He probably never left mom’s basement until he was 18, so no worries.

181 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Aug 24, 2014 4:24:58pm

Butthurt hubby still butthurt…

182 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Aug 24, 2014 4:24:59pm

re: #180 BeachDem

He probably never left mom’s basement until he was 18, so no worries.

burn! :D

183 GeneJockey  Aug 24, 2014 4:25:21pm

re: #171 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

Yep. With that they would already have been dishonest, but photoshopping sealed the deal.

“File Image” = Plausible Deniability. They knew exactly what they were doing - providing an opportunity for wingnuts to jump to the conclusion that it was Ofc. Wilson’s, and once they’d concluded that, they’d spread it to other morons.

An honest person would have written “Below is an example of an Orbital Fracture”, and the source.

184 b_sharp  Aug 24, 2014 4:27:15pm

re: #175 Charles Johnson

He’s trying to claim using “file image” absolves him of blame if someone is tricked by his use of the photo. It’s really beyond pathetic, and only a true dimwit would even try to say something like this.

He could have simply added a line that said, “An example CT scan of an orbital fracture,” and no one would have been confused.

It’s incredibly obvious that he intended to trick people into thinking it was Wilson’s scan. And he did.

That’s why I asked the question/made the point.

Their claiming absolution because they used the term file image absolves them of nothing, it in fact adds to the impression it was Wilson’s CT scan.

185 Rightwingconspirator  Aug 24, 2014 4:27:55pm

For some it seems Rathergate and the fauxtography from the summer war in Lebanon were not cautionary tales but somehow… inspiration. Very strange.

186 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Aug 24, 2014 4:28:25pm

re: #184 b_sharp

That’s why I asked the question/made the point.

Their claiming absolution because they used the term file image absolves them on nothing, it in fact adds to the impression it was Wilson’s CT scan.

They also added “File image” well after they posted, and were too stupid to erase evidence from the Internet.

Edit: and I still can’t get over how piss-poor that photoshop job erasing U of Iowa was.

187 GeneJockey  Aug 24, 2014 4:29:03pm

re: #179 calochortus

We were back home by then, but it was a lovely day for hiking or cycling.

Perfect temps, though it was a tad windy coming back North on Canada. It would have been better to start earlier, but we spent the morning walking the doggies, washing the Dodge, and then rinsing the concrete dust (and several years accumulated grime) off the front of the house. I was lucky to hit the road as early as I did!

188 SteelPH  Aug 24, 2014 4:30:01pm

re: #186 Rev_Arthur_Belling

Looks like it was done hastily in MS Paint.

189 ausador  Aug 24, 2014 4:30:11pm
190 GeneJockey  Aug 24, 2014 4:31:12pm

re: #166 De Kolta Chair

I despised the truly despicable John Mitchell and Ed Meese, but that didn’t make me resent white people.

Nope. Just them. And Nixon and Reagan, respectively, for appointing them.

191 De Kolta Chair  Aug 24, 2014 4:32:43pm

re: #181 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

Butthurt hubby still butthurt…

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So the same conservatives who wanted to burn Robert Mapplethorpe at the stake are now defending the politically avant-garde because it suits their purposes?

192 GeneJockey  Aug 24, 2014 4:33:36pm
193 Dark_Falcon  Aug 24, 2014 4:33:50pm

re: #178 Rev_Arthur_Belling

Wasn’t Hoover also a 20th century Bad Character Failure?

No. Herbert Hoover never should have been president, but he was not a bad of bad character; He was just too analytical and lacked the flexibility and ability to inspire that a president needs. But he was an honest, hardworking and decent man, and I do not describe such people as having bad character.

I actually see Herbert Hoover as more akin to Jimmy Carter: Hoover was (and Carter still is) fundmentally honest and decent. But despite both men possessing real intelligence, neither one should have been president, as both lacked traits needed to govern in turbulent times.

By contrast, Wilson and Nixon both failed due to character flaws that I see as bad. In both cases a key factor was an inability to even privately admit an error on a critical matter.

194 ausador  Aug 24, 2014 4:35:46pm
195 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Aug 24, 2014 4:36:39pm

re: #193 Dark_Falcon

No. Herbert Hoover never should have been president, but he was not a bad of bad character; He was just too analytical and lacked the flexibility and ability to inspire that a president needs. But he was an honest, hardworking and decent man, and I do not describe such people as having bad character.

I actually see Herbert Hoover as more akin to Jimmy Carter: Hoover was (and Carter still is) fundmentally honest and decent. But despite both men possessing real intelligence, neither one should have been president, as both lacked traits needed to govern in turbulent times.

By contrast, Wilson and Nixon both failed due to character flaws that I see as bad. In both cases a key factor was an inability to even privately admit an error on a critical matter.

You make a fair point, and I’ll concede that Hoover wasn’t Wilson/Nixon levels of bad, as you say, just in over his head. Nixon was just fucking evil, too.

196 GeneJockey  Aug 24, 2014 4:37:44pm

re: #172 GeneJockey

I’d estimate I passed Windy Hill at about 1:00- 1:30. I like Windy Hill, but it’s a long way for us to drive to walk!

Checking he time the pic was taken, I’d actually have passed Windy Hill at about 12:45, before turning onto Willowbrook, which is a nice alternative to the last bit of Portola before Alpine. Well, except for the last 50 very steep yards up to Alpine.

197 De Kolta Chair  Aug 24, 2014 4:39:26pm

Andres Serrano, “Piss Christ” 1987.

But Jesus wasn’t Muslim.

198 GeneJockey  Aug 24, 2014 4:40:59pm

re: #197 De Kolta Chair

Andres Serrano, “Piss Christ” 1987.

But Christ wasn’t Muslim.

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I think Serrano must have been dehydrated.
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199 William Barnett-Lewis  Aug 24, 2014 4:42:01pm

DF, you see my reply to your tank post?

200 Dark_Falcon  Aug 24, 2014 4:42:14pm

re: #195 Rev_Arthur_Belling

You make a fair point, and I’ll concede that Hoover wasn’t Wilson/Nixon levels of bad, as you say, just in over his head. Nixon was just fucking evil, too.

One other worthwhile point to make is that after leaving office, both Hoover and Carter did one more truly great thing that showed they had capability in the right role:

Hoover’s coordination of relief efforts in post-WWII Europe was exactly the right role for him, requiring extensive planning and attention to detail while already possessing a motivated workforce.

Carter proved able to inspire and lead by example as head of Habitat For Humanity, without having to feel his way through the mazes of Washington DC and the pitfalls of a Cold War that was entering a flare-up.

To me, these efforts help prove neither man was bad, they just should not have been president.

201 Dark_Falcon  Aug 24, 2014 4:42:32pm

re: #199 William Barnett-Lewis

DF, you see my reply to your tank post?

Yes, and I thank you for it.

202 Pie-onist Overlord  Aug 24, 2014 4:43:55pm

re: #174 Dark_Falcon

Sorry, but that’s not a distinction I’m willing to grant after 1900. The reason being that it tasks TR out of play and gives Dems the opportunity to evade some of the fault for Woodrow Wilson, one of the two Bad Character Failures among 20th Century presidents (Richard Nixon was the other).

FDR cancels out WW

203 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Aug 24, 2014 4:44:06pm

re: #200 Dark_Falcon

One other worthwhile point to make is that after leaving office, both Hoover and Carter did one more truly great thing that showed they had capability in the right role:

Hoover’s coordination of relief efforts in post-WWII Europe was exactly the right role for him, requiring extensive planning and attention to detail while already possessing a motivated workforce.

Carter proved able to inspire and lead by example as head of Habitat For Humanity, without having to feel his way through the mazes of Washington DC and the pitfalls of a Cold War that was entering a flare-up.

To me, these efforts help prove neither man was bad, they just should not have been president.

I think Carter’s case is a little different, because after Nixon/Ford, the country was ready for something different. I also think he was handed a shit sandwich, though, as you said.

204 De Kolta Chair  Aug 24, 2014 4:48:23pm

re: #203 Rev_Arthur_Belling

I think Carter’s case is a little different, because after Nixon/Ford, the country was ready for something different. I also think he was handed a shit sandwich, though, as you said.

I see your point, but I believe you’re thinking of Hoover’s post-WW I relief.

(I originally wrote that he won a Nobel Prize for that, but a quick googling shows he didn’t, but was nominated, which somewhat amazes me.)

205 b_sharp  Aug 24, 2014 4:49:11pm

re: #192 GeneJockey

File Image

Throat a bit raspy?

206 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Aug 24, 2014 4:50:58pm

re: #204 De Kolta Chair

I see your point, but I believe you’re thinking of Hoover’s post-WW I relief work, for which he won a Nobel Prize.

I was specifically thinking of the difference in elections. Both Carter and Hoover seemed to do much good post-presidency.

207 De Kolta Chair  Aug 24, 2014 4:52:44pm

re: #206 Rev_Arthur_Belling

I was specifically thinking of the difference in elections. Both Carter and Hoover seemed to do much good post-presidency.

Gotcha. Please see the addendum to my comment above. I would’ve bet real money that he’d won a Nobel.

208 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Aug 24, 2014 4:53:56pm

re: #207 De Kolta Chair

Please see the addendum to my comment above. I would’ve bet real money that he’d won a Nobel.

No worries. i had to spend time on wiki too :)

209 De Kolta Chair  Aug 24, 2014 4:56:15pm

re: #208 Rev_Arthur_Belling

No worries. i had to spend time on wiki too :)

“Wikipedia — Resolving bar bets since 2001.”

I had to go to Wikipedia to find out when they started. The Ludovican system in action! The Finnegans Wake Ludovico, not the Clockwork Orange Ludovico. Oh hell, just look it up. :-)

210 Stanley Sea  Aug 24, 2014 5:21:18pm

re: #194 ausador

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dying. God is good

211 Stanley Sea  Aug 24, 2014 5:24:14pm

re: #197 De Kolta Chair

Andres Serrano, “Piss Christ” 1987.

But Jesus wasn’t Muslim.

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The oldies of LGF lost their shit on that one. Kept bringing it up. in 2010 etc. Damaged.


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