Did Hackers Really Break Into the Obamacare Website? No.

Don’t believe the misleading headlines
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Tonight’s screaming headline at Breitbart “News,” for an article by wingnut hack John Nolte: OBAMACARE: HEALTHCARE.GOV SITE SUCCESSFULLY HACKED IN JULY. As usual, they pick a photo (probably unlicensed) that shows Obama smiling, because that never fails to enrage the knuckle-draggers.

The same federal government that wants to centralize and computerize healthcare, including your health records, got itself hacked back in July. The Wall Street Journal reports that the Healthcare.gov site, the central hub of the ObamaCare boondoggle, was broken into by a hacker who, thankfully, did not access anyone’s personal data.

If that news isn’t troubling enough, the Department of Health and Human Services only discovered the hack last week.

Whoa, that sounds pretty terrible! They hacked the public healthcare.gov website? Really?

No, not really. What Nolte fails to tell you, possibly because he doesn’t understand these kinds of things, is that the hacked server was what’s known as a “staging server” — a completely separate server that’s only used to test code and web applications before making them visible to the public. It was not part of the public site.

US-CERT analysis indicated that only one server was involved. It was not running HealthCare.gov, but was instead used by programmers to test new code before it goes live.

The test server was not supposed to be connected to the Internet, but somehow was. In addition, access to it was protected by a default password installed by the manufacturer, said Albright, who declined to say if that default was 1-2-3-4-5 or something equally breachable.

Granted, this is still not a good thing; the staging server should not have been connected to the Internet without passwords or IP-based restrictions. But it’s not even close to being as serious as they want you to think. Right wing blogs like Breitbart are hysterically distorting the story and giving readers the impression that the main healthcare.gov site was hacked — and it was absolutely not. Don’t be fooled by these idiots; once again, they don’t know what they’re talking about.

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679 comments
1 jaunte  Sep 4, 2014 6:24:18pm
The same federal government that wants to centralize and computerize healthcare

Wow that sound technical and dangerous, Brietbartians. When will the robots come to live in our houses?

2 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Sep 4, 2014 6:24:34pm
Don’t be fooled by these idiots; once again, they don’t know what they’re talking about.

The people who will believe the RWNJ media want to be fooled. Sadly.

3 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Sep 4, 2014 6:25:02pm

re: #1 jaunte

Wow that sound technical and dangerous, Brietbartians. When will the robots come to live in our houses?

They’re experts in “computerology.”

4 b.d.  Sep 4, 2014 6:27:58pm

They should pray that those people learn to crack the govenment’s computers, that’ll be the only way that the world will ever know who is in the FEMA camps.

5 blueraven  Sep 4, 2014 6:30:53pm

My God do they go nuts when Target, Home Depot, Banks etc…get hacked into fer real?

No? Didn’t think so.

6 b_sharp  Sep 4, 2014 6:30:54pm

Breitbartians love to play in the pool of ignorance. They sound so intelligent and informed there.

7 Dark_Falcon  Sep 4, 2014 6:32:35pm

re: #1 jaunte

Wow that sound technical and dangerous, Brietbartians. When will the robots come to live in our houses?

In reality, centralizing and computerizing healthcare records is a very good thing when done correctly. It prevents costly and sometimes fatal errors, and allows a person to change doctors or see a new specialist with a great deal less fuss and without having to hand-carry parts of their medical records.

This post is from the “Stuff I learned while working defense events at Marcus Evans” files.

8 jaunte  Sep 4, 2014 6:35:46pm

re: #7 Dark_Falcon

Their suggestion that healthcare records are not extensively computerized already is another demonstration of how they treat their audience as children.

9 Dark_Falcon  Sep 4, 2014 6:36:21pm

re: #8 jaunte

Their suggestion that healthcare records are not extensively computerized already is another demonstration of how they treat their audience as children.

Quite Concur.

10 blueraven  Sep 4, 2014 6:39:25pm

re: #7 Dark_Falcon

In reality, centralizing and computerizing healthcare records is a very good thing when done correctly. It prevents costly and sometimes fatal errors, and allows a person to change doctors or see a new specialist with a great deal less fuss and without having to hand-carry parts of their medical records.

This post is from the “Stuff I learned while working defense events at Marcus Evans” files.

But there are no healthcare records on healthcare.gov
No pre-existing conditions, no need.

11 jaunte  Sep 4, 2014 6:39:40pm

I’m more annoyed by this stuff than usual tonight, having discovered that my aged parent bought Ben Shapiro’s idiotic pamphlet on debating liberals.

12 Charles Johnson  Sep 4, 2014 6:40:03pm

Breitbart commenter says:

obamacare is designed genocide on the American people.

13 jaunte  Sep 4, 2014 6:40:48pm

*groan*

14 lostlakehiker  Sep 4, 2014 6:41:26pm

I wouldn’t be so sure that they don’t know what they’re talking about. They’ve got their own web pages and all. Maybe they’re just lying?

15 b.d.  Sep 4, 2014 6:42:05pm

re: #12 Charles Johnson

Breitbart commenter says:

So a Breitbart commenter admits that Obama can implement something that works?

16 b_sharp  Sep 4, 2014 6:43:14pm

re: #12 Charles Johnson

Breitbart commenter says:

Somebody has lost contact with reality.

17 ausador  Sep 4, 2014 6:43:42pm

re: #14 lostlakehiker

I wouldn’t be so sure that they don’t know what they’re talking about. They’ve got their own web pages and all. Maybe they’re just lying?

Doubt the people writing articles have much to do with the IT for the site.

18 HappyWarrior  Sep 4, 2014 6:45:27pm

re: #12 Charles Johnson

Breitbart commenter says:

Perspective sure is nice. Fuckers.

19 Pie-onist Overlord  Sep 4, 2014 6:49:19pm

re: #12 Charles Johnson

Breitbart commenter says:

obamacare is designed genocide on the American people.

Pass the desk and lighter fluid.

20 b.d.  Sep 4, 2014 6:50:22pm

Random genocide sucks.

21 Dark_Falcon  Sep 4, 2014 6:51:01pm

re: #10 blueraven

But there are no healthcare records on healthcare.gov
No pre-existing conditions, no need.

I was refuting a particular piece of Breitbart DERP, not commenting on the nature of healthcare.gov.

22 ausador  Sep 4, 2014 6:57:38pm

So the hacker did nothing but install malware on the server that would let him use it later in DDoS attacks against other sites. Sounds like somebody found that one via random pinging/host negotiation and probably had no idea he was even on a government computer.

23 Franklin  Sep 4, 2014 6:58:15pm

It was a generic script-kiddie hack. Completely automated, port scanning an IP range for a vulnerability.

When I was a teenager I put a vanilla Solaris UNIX machine outside my firewall for kicks. It was rooted in an hour.

The staging server, as Charles mentioned, never should have been publicly accessible. Bad admin, bad! But I’d be shocked to hear that the staging server and live server(s) were on the same network.

24 uncah91  Sep 4, 2014 6:59:00pm

h/t to Chait, this Economist review of a book arguing that slavery essentially is responsible for America’s prosperity is a real piece of work.

Almost all the blacks in his book are victims, almost all the whites villains. This is not history; it is advocacy

But the comments, well they almost restore my faith in humanity.

25 Franklin  Sep 4, 2014 7:00:17pm

re: #22 ausador

So the hacker did nothing but install malware on the server that would let him use it later in DDoS attacks against other sites. Sounds like somebody found that one via random pinging/host negotiation and probably had no idea he was even on a government computer.

Exactly.

26 GlutenFreeJesus  Sep 4, 2014 7:03:58pm

Amazon bought Twitchy!!!!!!!!!

/

27 Charles Johnson  Sep 4, 2014 7:06:10pm

In other words, he has another creepy scheme to get people to look at him.

28 Kragar  Sep 4, 2014 7:06:10pm

The nice thing about my youngest having the same teachers as my oldest is back to school night means we duck in, grab the handouts, shake hands and leave

29 Kragar  Sep 4, 2014 7:08:15pm

He’s really trying hard to be a douche

30 Franklin  Sep 4, 2014 7:10:24pm

re: #29 Kragar

So dumb. I guess it’s the whole “expectation of privacy dies with the person” argument.

31 Kragar  Sep 4, 2014 7:10:51pm

“I wonder if this obvious computer crime is really a computer crime…”

32 Kragar  Sep 4, 2014 7:11:58pm
33 sagehen  Sep 4, 2014 7:12:29pm

re: #24 uncah91

h/t to Chait, this Economist review of a book arguing that slavery essentially is responsible for America’s prosperity is a real piece of work.

But the comments, well they almost restore my faith in humanity.

My favorite comment:

A stunning review. By which I mean that I feel as though I have been struck across the forehead by a large piece of lumber: pained, angry, shocked, and stupider than I was before.

34 ausador  Sep 4, 2014 7:13:30pm

Are these lawyers experts on plagiarism?

35 Kragar  Sep 4, 2014 7:14:16pm
36 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Sep 4, 2014 7:14:40pm

re: #29 Kragar

I wonder if it’s legal to hack dead people’s social media sites…

Um, no. It’s also probably a TOS violation. Just spitballing here.

37 Kragar  Sep 4, 2014 7:16:51pm

re: #36 Rev_Arthur_Belling

Um, no. It’s also probably a TOS violation. Just spitballing here.

You would still be breaking into the hosting companies platforms and property, so yeah, its a crime.

38 Aye Pod  Sep 4, 2014 7:17:17pm

Jeez…they don’t get any better do they?

For wingnuts like Brietbart, making sure a story is true is too hard and frankly unnecessary, like putting a fancy piece of bait on a mackerel hook.

39 Decatur Deb  Sep 4, 2014 7:18:49pm

CCJ is becoming a law school wet dream.

40 Romantic Heretic  Sep 4, 2014 7:19:28pm

re: #29 Kragar

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He’s really trying hard to be a douche

Doesn’t have to try. It comes naturally to him.

41 b.d.  Sep 4, 2014 7:21:04pm

Chuck’s candle sure is burning bright, he won’t last long

42 Aye Pod  Sep 4, 2014 7:24:16pm

re: #34 ausador

Are these lawyers experts on plagiarism?

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That Chuck C Johnson dude has a really tiny face.

Ok I think I’ve ran out of meaningful political comment tonight. Night folks :)

43 Kragar  Sep 4, 2014 7:25:02pm
44 jaunte  Sep 4, 2014 7:25:52pm

re: #43 Kragar

…Self-hating Fresno bloggers…

45 Timothy Watson  Sep 4, 2014 7:27:39pm

What in God’s name did Chrome do to kerning in their new version?

46 Decatur Deb  Sep 4, 2014 7:27:40pm

re: #43 Kragar

Charles C. Johnson @ChuckCJohnson
I enjoy destroying frauds…. liars…

That’s a plea for help. Put the little shit on suicide watch.

47 HappyWarrior  Sep 4, 2014 7:29:07pm

re: #43 Kragar

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This guy is genuinely sick. He’s doing everything to drag this kid’s name through the mud and for what? So a bunch of right wing fuckheads can feel better about justifying shooting him. Evil shit.

48 RealityBasedSteve  Sep 4, 2014 7:29:40pm

re: #37 Kragar

You would still be breaking into the hosting companies platforms and property, so yeah, its a crime.

At the very least, it’s probably going to be a violation of the Federal Stored Communications Act.

Federal Court: Non-Public Facebook Wall Posts Are Protected Under the Federal Stored Communications Act

POSTED ON SEPTEMBER 11, 2013 BY HUNTON & WILLIAMS LLP
As reported in the Hunton Employment & Labor Perspectives Blog :
The U.S. District Court for the District of New Jersey recently ruled that non-public Facebook wall posts are protected under the Federal Stored Communications Act (the “SCA”) in Ehling v. Monmouth-Ocean Hospital Service Corp., No. 2:11-CV-3305 (WMJ) (D.N.J. Aug. 20, 2013). The plaintiff was a registered nurse and paramedic at Monmouth-Ocean Hospital Service Corp. (“MONOC”). She maintained a personal Facebook profile and was “Facebook friends” with many of her coworkers but none of the MONOC managers. She adjusted her privacy preferences so only her “Facebook friends” could view the messages she posted onto her Facebook wall. Unbeknownst to the plaintiff, a coworker who was also a “Facebook friend” took screenshots of the plaintiff’s wall posts and sent them to a MONOC manager. When the manager learned of a wall post in which the plaintiff criticized Washington, D.C. paramedics in their response to a museum shooting, MONOC temporarily suspended the plaintiff with pay and delivered a memo warning her that the wall post reflected a “deliberate disregard for patient safety.” The plaintiff subsequently filed suit alleging violations of the SCA, among other claims.arget=”_blank”>#37

Rule of thumb: If you have to ask “Is it {Wrong | Illegal | Bad} to do “X”, then you already know that “X” is wrong, and are just being a jerk.

RBS

49 Targetpractice  Sep 4, 2014 7:29:55pm

re: #47 HappyWarrior

This guy is genuinely sick. He’s doing everything to drag this kid’s name through the mud and for what? So a bunch of right wing fuckheads can feel better about justifying shooting him. Evil shit.

You make that sound like a bad thing.

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50 Timothy Watson  Sep 4, 2014 7:30:26pm

Is it illegal to punch McChuckleNuts in the face?

Asking for a friend.

51 allegro  Sep 4, 2014 7:32:48pm

re: #50 Timothy Watson

Is it illegal to punch McChuckleNuts in the face?

Asking for a friend.

one does want to twist his little trollie ear real hard and send him to his room without his cookies and milk.

52 psddluva4evah  Sep 4, 2014 7:32:57pm

Ooh, I’m already salivating over the possible performances at this year’s Kennedy Center Honors…Al Green, Sting, Tom Hank, Lily Tomlin and ballerina Patricia McBride.

2014 Kennedy Center honorees announced

53 simoom  Sep 4, 2014 7:33:05pm

re: #48 RealityBasedSteve

He’s going to claim whatever it is is from an anonymous source, I imagine.

54 Stanley Sea  Sep 4, 2014 7:33:07pm

Along with the current up chuck bullshit. Please let me vent. Living alone in my nice condo, the bedroom smoke decector starts beeping. I bring barstool, brace it against the armoir and change the battery. Huge dangerous reach. Shaky situation.

It’s still beeping every 60 secs. I held the button to reset - one long piercing beep - still beeping every 60 secs. I need a man this minute. Gonna try to sleep on the sofa & hope. Gah for real.

55 dog philosopher  Sep 4, 2014 7:33:34pm

dies tonight

well according to my watch phone - it’s tonight

so??

56 Decatur Deb  Sep 4, 2014 7:33:36pm

re: #50 Timothy Watson

Is it illegal to punch McChuckleNuts in the face?

Asking for a friend.

That’s deplorable. I shall put it on my List Of Things To Deplore, but I can’t guarantee a top position.

57 makeitstop  Sep 4, 2014 7:34:07pm

CJJ is in the midst of an extended audition for a wingnut payday, and the only way to cut through the noise is by being a total dick. He’s raising the bar for future deranged haters.

58 allegro  Sep 4, 2014 7:34:16pm

re: #54 Stanley Sea

Along with the current up chuck bullshit. Please let me vent. Living alone in my nice condo, the bedroom smoke decector starts beeping. I bring barstool, brace it against the armoir and change the battery. Huge dangerous reach. Shaky situation.

It’s still beeping every 60 secs. I held the button to reset - one long piercing beep - still beeping every 60 secs. I need a man this minute. Gonna try to sleep on the sofa & hope. Gah for real.

Pull the battery out and get a good night’s sleep.

59 Decatur Deb  Sep 4, 2014 7:35:03pm

re: #54 Stanley Sea

Along with the current up chuck bullshit. Please let me vent. Living alone in my nice condo, the bedroom smoke decector starts beeping. I bring barstool, brace it against the armoir and change the battery. Huge dangerous reach. Shaky situation.

It’s still beeping every 60 secs. I held the button to reset - one long piercing beep - still beeping every 60 secs. I need a man this minute. Gonna try to sleep on the sofa & hope. Gah for real.

Are you sure you’re not on fire?

60 Stanley Sea  Sep 4, 2014 7:36:15pm

re: #57 makeitstop

CJJ is in the midst of an extended audition for a wingnut payday, and the only way to cut through the noise is by being a total dick. He’s raising the bar for future deranged haters.

Ya. Do not retweet/respond to that slime.

61 Stanley Sea  Sep 4, 2014 7:36:57pm

re: #58 allegro

Pull the battery out and get a good night’s sleep.

Did. It’s hard wired. No battery, still beeps. Really.

62 Stanley Sea  Sep 4, 2014 7:37:45pm

re: #59 Decatur Deb

Are you sure you’re not on fire?

Mo fo. Not yet. The man thing would change it all up.

63 allegro  Sep 4, 2014 7:39:04pm

re: #61 Stanley Sea

Did. It’s hard wired. No battery, still beeps. Really.

Ohhh. Well that’s different. You have now completely exceeded my knowledge base.

64 Decatur Deb  Sep 4, 2014 7:39:31pm

re: #62 Stanley Sea

Mo fo. Not yet. The man thing would change it all up.

Fur reelz, you could try to blow it clean with some electronic canned air, but it might not be worth another shaky trip up the furniture.

65 TedStriker  Sep 4, 2014 7:40:25pm

re: #61 Stanley Sea

Did. It’s hard wired. No battery, still beeps. Really.

If your hard-wired smoke detectors were installed when the house was built (i.e. not installed as part of an alarm system) and were installed to code, those detectors should be on at least one circuit breaker by themselves.

Find the circuit breakers (hopefully, it’s labeled) and cut it off.

66 Skip Intro  Sep 4, 2014 7:41:13pm

re: #61 Stanley Sea

Did. It’s hard wired. No battery, still beeps. Really.

Doesn’t it have a plug you can disconnect?

67 dog philosopher  Sep 4, 2014 7:41:23pm

Disqus seems to be taking longer than usual. Reload?

where did i put my spare clip?

68 b_sharp  Sep 4, 2014 7:41:48pm

re: #65 TedStriker

If your hard-wired smoke detectors were installed when the house was built (i.e. not installed as part of an alarm system) and were installed to code, those detectors should be on at least one circuit breaker by themselves.

Find the circuit breakers (hopefully, it’s labeled) and cut it off.

But don’t leave that as a permanent solution. You might check to see if it’s also a CO detector.

69 ausador  Sep 4, 2014 7:42:59pm
70 Stanley Sea  Sep 4, 2014 7:43:14pm

re: #64 Decatur Deb

Fur reelz, you could try to blow it clean with some electronic canned air, but it might not be worth another shaky trip up the furniture.

That’s what’s real. The climb was obviously dangerous. Fool to push my luck. I’ll cry to a handy man tomorrow with my $. Damn.

At least we are off up chuck. Do not read his audition tweets. He’s stupid evil and young.

71 jaunte  Sep 4, 2014 7:43:58pm

re: #69 ausador

a weapon of mass destruction against media narratives

*waft of barnyard odor*

72 Stanley Sea  Sep 4, 2014 7:44:06pm

re: #66 Skip Intro

Doesn’t it have a plug you can disconnect?

There are like 5 wires. I could prob break it to smithereens. Ty tho.

73 wrenchwench  Sep 4, 2014 7:44:38pm

re: #54 Stanley Sea

I need a man ladder this minute.

For starters.

Not as versatile, but easier to acquire, although perhaps not this minute.

74 Stanley Sea  Sep 4, 2014 7:44:41pm

re: #65 TedStriker

If your hard-wired smoke detectors were installed when the house was built (i.e. not installed as part of an alarm system) and were installed to code, those detectors should be on at least one circuit breaker by themselves.

Find the circuit breakers (hopefully, it’s labeled) and cut it off.

Oooooooooh. Ty.

75 freetoken  Sep 4, 2014 7:44:47pm

So, today we find out that the new season of DWTS will have both: a granddaughter of Mullah Robertson, and Tommy Chong.

Strikes me as if a rupture in space-time has occurred.

76 sagehen  Sep 4, 2014 7:44:54pm

re: #52 psddluva4evah

Ooh, I’m already salivating over the possible performances at this year’s Kennedy Center Honors…Al Green, Sting, Tom Hank, Lily Tomlin and ballerina Patricia McBride.

2014 Kennedy Center honorees announced

Since when is Sting considered part of American culture?

77 William Barnett-Lewis  Sep 4, 2014 7:44:57pm

re: #43 Kragar

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Kinda figured he was a self hater.

78 Kragar  Sep 4, 2014 7:44:59pm

The current top story at CCJ?

Why stealing celebrity selfies is no big deal. They should have known better.

What a scumball

79 Stanley Sea  Sep 4, 2014 7:45:50pm

re: #73 wrenchwench

For starters.

Not as versatile, but easier to acquire, although perhaps not this minute.

Are you east coast? How’s it going?

80 HappyWarrior  Sep 4, 2014 7:46:06pm

re: #78 Kragar

The current top story at CCJ?

Why stealing celebrity selfies is no big deal. They should have known better.

What a scumball

Yep, scumbags.

81 Skip Intro  Sep 4, 2014 7:46:20pm

re: #69 ausador

The only info I’ve found about Vomitus Maximus is on the page showing him winning some award in 2011. On it it says he was going back to California to get his drivers license and marry his fiancee.

Since he was talking about his “big date” a week or so ago I take it the marriage didn’t work out. Still don’t know if Tough Chuck can drive a car.

82 TedStriker  Sep 4, 2014 7:49:21pm

re: #68 b_sharp

But don’t leave that as a permanent solution. You might check to see if it’s also a CO detector.

AFAIK, CO detectors aren’t required in new construction like smokes are; typically speaking, if there isn’t an installed alarm system, most CO detectors are plug-ins with battery backups. From what SS is saying, it’s likely a smoke that’s either dirty or is just going bad; not really much you can do in the middle of the night, except to cut power to the offending sensor and look at it during the day.

83 Skip Intro  Sep 4, 2014 7:49:28pm

re: #72 Stanley Sea

There are like 5 wires. I could prob break it to smithereens. Ty tho.

In my house the detectors are wired and have a battery too. After way too many 3 a.m. climbs up a 15 foot ladder to reach a 20 foot high detector, I just disconnected the damn thing.

WTH were they thinking putting it in a place that required both a long ladder and doing a 180 at the top of the ladder to reach the detector?

84 Timothy Watson  Sep 4, 2014 7:49:40pm

I like to think that we all were a little on the pretentious and arrogant side when we were teenagers and in the early twenties, but McChuckleNuts would be the definition of the asshole that never grows out of it.

85 blueraven  Sep 4, 2014 7:49:45pm

Listening to Jerry Brown - Neel Kashkari debate on CSPAN

Kashkari seems like a real ass.

86 wrenchwench  Sep 4, 2014 7:50:14pm

re: #79 Stanley Sea

Are you east coast? How’s it going?

Couple hours drive to the actual coast from here, but I am in NC.

The answer to ‘how’s it going?’ is more complicated. Good and bad, up and down. I thought I was not going to have enough time here, but I’m almost ready to leave….

87 wrenchwench  Sep 4, 2014 7:51:12pm

re: #79 Stanley Sea

And by the way, we had the same thing go on with our hard wired smoke detector, and for the life of me I can’t remember what we did about it.

88 psddluva4evah  Sep 4, 2014 7:52:04pm

re: #76 sagehen

No idea, you’ll have to ask the Kennedy Center for that answer.

Love Tom Hanks and Lily Tomlin both.

I of course LOVE Al Green. Of course POTUS does too, Who will EVER forget this —> Obama Sings Al Green

I’m just trying to imagine in my head, the lineup of performers for both of them.

I’m thinking covers of songs by both artist and which versions are the best.

First up: Tina Turner - Let’s Stay Together

89 Timothy Watson  Sep 4, 2014 7:52:30pm

“Playing Your Game, Baby” by Chuck Brown
Youtube Video

90 Bear  Sep 4, 2014 7:53:12pm

re: #74 Stanley Sea

Might try hitting it with a broom stick. Should not have to climb anything to do so.

91 Skip Intro  Sep 4, 2014 7:53:42pm

re: #85 blueraven

Listening to Jerry Brown - Neel Kashkari debate on CSPAN

Kashkari seems like a real ass.

Kashkari pissed off the Republican mayor of Fresno by pretending to be homeless and then complained about how badly he was treated.

Cut to the mayor who said all he had to do was come to her office and she would have shown him the excellent facilities the city offers.

I don’t think she makes that offer to people who aren’t mufti-millionaires though, or anyone who is actually homeless.

92 EPR-radar  Sep 4, 2014 7:54:03pm

re: #85 blueraven

Listening to Jerry Brown - Neel Kashkari debate on CSPAN

Kashkari seems like a real ass.

At least he’s not a so-con nutcase, but that still leaves plenty of room to be a jackass.

93 Dr. Matt  Sep 4, 2014 7:54:56pm

Upchuck continues to live up to his name:

94 HappyWarrior  Sep 4, 2014 7:55:03pm

re: #92 EPR-radar

At least he’s not a so-con nutcase, but that still leaves plenty of room to be a jackass.

He probably makes up for it being an econ-con jackass.

95 Stanley Sea  Sep 4, 2014 7:56:31pm

re: #65 TedStriker

If your hard-wired smoke detectors were installed when the house was built (i.e. not installed as part of an alarm system) and were installed to code, those detectors should be on at least one circuit breaker by themselves.

Find the circuit breakers (hopefully, it’s labeled) and cut it off.

Thanks for your help. All of ya’ll. The breakers not for appliances are only 2 labeled plugs/lights. Then the one called 6fl gfi ?. I’m so clueless that’s the first time I opened the panel. :(

96 Skip Intro  Sep 4, 2014 7:56:40pm

re: #93 Dr. Matt

So how, exactly, can a dead guy be a liar about what made him dead?

97 HappyWarrior  Sep 4, 2014 7:57:51pm

talkingpointsmemo.com
As someone with high functioning autism, I would like to kindly tell The Donald to shut the up fuck pu about something he has no clue what he is talking about.

98 Stanley Sea  Sep 4, 2014 7:58:12pm

re: #86 wrenchwench

Couple hours drive to the actual coast from here, but I am in NC.

The answer to ‘how’s it going?’ is more complicated. Good and bad, up and down. I thought I was not going to have enough time here, but I’m almost ready to leave….

Hugs. Can kinda imagine. Do your best.

99 ausador  Sep 4, 2014 7:58:28pm

re: #87 wrenchwench

And by the way, we had the same thing go on with our hard wired smoke detector, and for the life of me I can’t remember what we did about it.

The sensor in most detectors is only good for about ten years of operational life. NFPA recommends that you replace them completely every ten years to ensure that they are functional.

nfpa.org

100 Apocalypse  Sep 4, 2014 7:58:49pm

re: #12 Charles Johnson

Breitbart commenter says:

obamacare is designed genocide on the American people.

What the Frak is wrong with these people? Also “designed Genocide”, As opposed to run-of-the-mill Genocide?

101 Stanley Sea  Sep 4, 2014 7:58:59pm

re: #87 wrenchwench

And by the way, we had the same thing go on with our hard wired smoke detector, and for the life of me I can’t remember what we did about it.

Flamethrower . You were asleep.

102 freetoken  Sep 4, 2014 7:59:29pm

re: #92 EPR-radar

At least he’s not a so-con nutcase, but that still leaves plenty of room to be a jackass.

The GOP out here has basically thrown in the towel. So now their big candidates tend to be very rich and out for their own moment.

The dichotomy between the SoCons who want a religious leader and the anarcho-libertarians who basically only care about eliminating taxes (and making mj legal) is very real out here.

California is not very white, in the sense of English colonial descendants. What plays well in Appalachia just doesn’t work here. I expect it will be a long time before the GOP can become a significant force here.

103 Kid A  Sep 4, 2014 7:59:39pm

re: #11 jaunte

I’m more annoyed by this stuff than usual tonight, having discovered that my aged parent bought Ben Shapiro’s idiotic pamphlet on debating liberals.

104 Stanley Sea  Sep 4, 2014 7:59:58pm

re: #90 Bear

Might try hitting it with a broom stick. Should not have to climb anything to do so.

Get you ass down here now!

105 jaunte  Sep 4, 2014 8:00:00pm

re: #103 Kid A

Aaack!

106 Decatur Deb  Sep 4, 2014 8:01:41pm

re: #95 Stanley Sea

Thanks for your help. All of ya’ll. The breakers not for appliances are only 2 labeled plugs/lights. Then the one called 6fl gfi ?. I’m so clueless that’s the first time I opened the panel. :(

Assuming you’re on 6th floor, gfi is your kitchen, bath, and wet area ground fault circuit interruptor. If so, it will have a ‘test’ button on it.

107 Skip Intro  Sep 4, 2014 8:02:15pm

re: #103 Kid A

That’s the face of a person who’s thinking of all the ways he’s going to torture the animal he’s just caught.

108 calochortus  Sep 4, 2014 8:02:44pm

re: #82 TedStriker

AFAIK, CO detectors aren’t required in new construction like smokes are; typically speaking, if there isn’t an installed alarm system, most CO detectors are plug-ins with battery backups. From what SS is saying, it’s likely a smoke that’s either dirty or is just going bad; not really much you can do in the middle of the night, except to cut power to the offending sensor and look at it during the day.

In CA CO detectors are required as part of your hard-wired system. Furthermore, if you have more than something like $1000 worth of work-any kind of work-done on your house you have to bring your smoke and CO detectors up to code (though they need not be hard wired if you don’t have the hard wired system already.) If you do have any hard wired smoke detectors, one of them must be a dual smoke/CO detector. I could go on at some length about this, as we recently had sewer line work done. And yes, to get it signed off by the inspector they had to come in and check the smoke/CO detectors. Other states, or perhaps even just counties, I wouldn’t know about.

109 Kragar  Sep 4, 2014 8:03:11pm

re: #107 Skip Intro

That’s the face of a person who’s thinking of all the ways he’s going to torture the animal he’s just caught.

“I’ve got a jar of pickled hands hidden in my shed.”

110 wrenchwench  Sep 4, 2014 8:03:37pm

re: #88 psddluva4evah

No idea, you’ll have to ask the Kennedy Center for that answer.

Love Tom Hanks and Lily Tomlin both.

I of course LOVE Al Green. Of course POTUS does too, Who will EVER forget this —> Obama Sings Al Green

I’m just trying to imagine in my head, the lineup of performers for both of them.

I’m thinking covers of songs by both artist and which versions are the best.

First up: Tina Turner - Let’s Stay Together

Covers are great, Tina of course is one of a kind, BUT: let’s go straight to Soul Train.

Youtube Video

111 Stanley Sea  Sep 4, 2014 8:03:43pm

re: #106 Decatur Deb

Assuming you’re on 6th floor, gfi is your kitchen, bath, and wet area ground fault circuit interruptor. If so, it will have a ‘test’ button on it.

1st floor. Maybe a full shutdown/reboot?

112 Kid A  Sep 4, 2014 8:04:48pm

re: #109 Kragar

“I’ve got a jar of pickled hands hidden in my shed.”

“I’m having an old friend for dinner.”

113 Stanley Sea  Sep 4, 2014 8:05:24pm

re: #110 wrenchwench

Covers are great, Tina of course is one of a kind, BUT: let’s go straight to Soul Train.

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Video

Oh yeah.

114 Belafon  Sep 4, 2014 8:05:33pm

re: #93 Dr. Matt

We’ll all celebrate when he has his first success.

115 Kragar  Sep 4, 2014 8:05:58pm

re: #112 Kid A

“I’m having an old friend for dinner.”

“It puts the lotion on its skin or else it gets the hose again.”

116 Decatur Deb  Sep 4, 2014 8:06:24pm

re: #111 Stanley Sea

1st floor. Maybe a full shutdown/reboot?

Then 6fl beats me. The ‘gfi’, (with a test button) is just wet/grounding area outlets.

117 Rightwingconspirator  Sep 4, 2014 8:06:42pm

Well as a late comer to the thread I think I’ll just let Flogging Molly speak in response to the day after day or outrageous outrage.
It’s been the worst day… since yesterday.

Video

118 Decatur Deb  Sep 4, 2014 8:07:18pm

‘Nite, all.

119 Apocalypse  Sep 4, 2014 8:07:52pm

re: #100 Apocalypse

Oh I guess I should probably say a newbie welcome and I hope I can at least entertain you, as you have Informed me.

120 Stanley Sea  Sep 4, 2014 8:08:00pm

re: #116 Decatur Deb

Then 6fl beats me. The ‘gfi’, (with a test button) is just wet/grounding area outlets.

Prob just bad handwriting. Gfl ?

121 Belafon  Sep 4, 2014 8:08:10pm

re: #103 Kid A

Shouldn’t it just say “Facts can be used to prove anything even remotely true.”

122 Kid A  Sep 4, 2014 8:08:14pm

re: #115 Kragar

“It puts the lotion on its skin or else it gets the hose again.”

“I ate his liver with some fava beans and a nice chianti”

123 freetoken  Sep 4, 2014 8:08:56pm

Who Is Sadie Robertson?

Sadie has 1.28 million followers on Twitter @sadierob, and her bio features this Bible quote: “Charm is deceptive and beauty fleeting; the woman who fears the Lord is to be praised. (Proverbs 31:30)” Last December, when her grandfather faced criticism for his anti-gay comments, Sadie took to Twitter to stand by her family and thank fans for their prayers and support. “This is what the family has decided. We know this is all in Gods hands,” she tweeted, later adding, “God is able. He will never change. He is a mighty God.”

Because what America really needs is another Bible-quoting teenage girl shaking her sequined boobs on national TV.

124 Kragar  Sep 4, 2014 8:09:22pm

When Conservatives talk about “the good old days”, I always think they must mean this:

Youtube Video

125 Targetpractice  Sep 4, 2014 8:09:24pm

So did I miss Chucky’s great and powerful debunking of the “gentle giant” business?

126 freetoken  Sep 4, 2014 8:10:11pm

We need a new hashtag…

#BoobsForJesus

127 Kragar  Sep 4, 2014 8:10:14pm

re: #122 Kid A

“I ate his liver with some fava beans and a nice chianti”

See, you keep going for charming psychopaths, when they come across as inept sociopaths

128 Decatur Deb  Sep 4, 2014 8:11:02pm

re: #120 Stanley Sea

Prob just bad handwriting. Gfl ?

Yeah. Thought you meant it had both markings. Ground Fault (Circuit) Interruptor. Not likely your alarms.

129 b_sharp  Sep 4, 2014 8:11:31pm

re: #95 Stanley Sea

Thanks for your help. All of ya’ll. The breakers not for appliances are only 2 labeled plugs/lights. Then the one called 6fl gfi ?. I’m so clueless that’s the first time I opened the panel. :(

GFI is a special outlet that has a built in breaker. Usually found by sources of water like sinks.

130 Decatur Deb  Sep 4, 2014 8:11:50pm

re: #125 Targetpractice

So did I miss Chucky’s great and powerful debunking of the “gentle giant” business?

He’s consulting Dewey, Cheatem, and Howe.

131 GeneJockey  Sep 4, 2014 8:12:15pm

re: #125 Targetpractice

So did I miss Chucky’s great and powerful debunking of the “gentle giant” business?

I don’t think so. He’s still posting messianic tweets about the apocalyptic revelations he’s gonna post any second now.

It reminds me of the Michelle Obama ‘Whitey Tape’ posts that some clown put up on DKos back in 2008.

132 Kragar  Sep 4, 2014 8:12:54pm

Matthew McConaughey played a pretty good psycho killer

Vilmer: The boy’s dead.

Sean: No he’s not. He’s just passed out.

Vilmer: I said he’s dead.

Sean: But he was just talking, like talking in his sleep.

Vilmer: Is that right? Well…

[snaps the victim’s neck]

Vilmer: he’s dead now.

133 Stanley Sea  Sep 4, 2014 8:13:15pm

re: #128 Decatur Deb

Yeah. Thought you meant it had both markings. Ground Fault (Circuit) Interruptor. Not likely your alarms.

Fuckers still beeping. Grabbing bedding for sofa.

134 Kid A  Sep 4, 2014 8:13:40pm
135 Decatur Deb  Sep 4, 2014 8:13:46pm

re: #129 b_sharp

GFI is a special outlet that has a built in breaker. Usually found by sources of water like sinks.

Mine is at the panelbox, covers the required outlets under the older code (No outside wet areas).

136 wrenchwench  Sep 4, 2014 8:15:41pm

re: #119 Apocalypse

Welcome, hatchling.

137 Kid A  Sep 4, 2014 8:15:53pm

LOL

138 Apocalypse  Sep 4, 2014 8:16:26pm

re: #136 wrenchwench

Thanks!

139 danarchy  Sep 4, 2014 8:16:55pm

re: #61 Stanley Sea

positive there is no battery? Mine are hard wired but have a battery backup and will beep even when plugged in if the battery is dieing

140 Kid A  Sep 4, 2014 8:17:18pm

re: #119 Apocalypse

Oh I guess I should probably say a newbie welcome and I hope I can at least entertain you, as you have Informed me.

Hola, hatchling. Get comfy, because you’re never making it out of here.

141 Targetpractice  Sep 4, 2014 8:17:19pm

re: #132 Kragar

Matthew McConaughey played a pretty good psycho killer

I actually liked him in Frailty, though it’s debatable whether he was a psycho killer in that.

142 GeneJockey  Sep 4, 2014 8:18:17pm

re: #135 Decatur Deb

Mine is at the panelbox, covers the required outlets under the older code (No outside wet areas).

Somebody put in a GFCI outlet for our gas stove, and I swear, a cross word would trip the damned thing. We ended up plugging it into a standard outlet at the extreme reach of the cord so we didn’t have to keep pull the stove out, resetting and pushing the stove back.

143 BeachDem  Sep 4, 2014 8:18:17pm

5th set starting between Federer and Monfils. Excellent match—great break from the vile bile that is CCJ.

144 blueraven  Sep 4, 2014 8:18:38pm

re: #133 Stanley Sea

Fuckers still beeping. Grabbing bedding for sofa.

You could maybe cover it with a plastic bag or something?

145 calochortus  Sep 4, 2014 8:19:11pm

re: #139 danarchy

positive there is no battery? Mine are hard wired but have a battery backup and will beep even when plugged in if the battery is dieing

Or if the battery has been removed.

146 Kragar  Sep 4, 2014 8:19:32pm

re: #141 Targetpractice

I actually liked him in Frailty, though it’s debatable whether he was a psycho killer in that.

Frailty was excellent, but a different kind of killer

147 Kid A  Sep 4, 2014 8:21:58pm
148 dog philosopher  Sep 4, 2014 8:22:05pm

re: #11 jaunte

I’m more annoyed by this stuff than usual tonight, having discovered that my aged parent bought Ben Shapiro’s idiotic pamphlet on debating liberals.

he tries to turn people into mini rush limbaughs, teaching them to:

- pose straw man arguments about ‘what liberals believe’
(” prepare yourself for the standard liberal argument, which is that we don’t need guns at all”)

- impose ludicrous “framing”
(“Discussing gun control with liberal CNN host Piers Morgan on live TV in January 2013, Shapiro scored a near knockout in the first few seconds of the debate by framing his opponent. He accused Morgan of standing on the graves of murdered children to further his anti-gun agenda.”)

- postulate false dichotomies (plus straw men)
(“They claim they want marriage equality, but at the same time they want to force churches to endorse an irreligious practice; they want universal government-sponsored health care, but they do not support forcing people to become doctors, which would be necessarily to support such a massive program.”, and ” If they are pro-gay marriage, ask them which parent is less vital to a family: the mother or the father. Chances are, they’ll have to concede that a family is better with a mother and a father, not just one or the other”)

nothing we haven’t heard over and over again

ktth.com

149 GeneJockey  Sep 4, 2014 8:24:18pm

re: #148 dog philosopher

he tries to turn people into mini rush limbaughs, teaching them to:

- pose straw man arguments about ‘what liberals believe’
(” prepare yourself for the standard liberal argument, which is that we don’t need guns at all”)

- impose ludicrous “framing”
(“Discussing gun control with liberal CNN host Piers Morgan on live TV in January 2013, Shapiro scored a near knockout in the first few seconds of the debate by framing his opponent. He accused Morgan of standing on the graves of murdered children to further his anti-gun agenda.”)

- postulate false dichotomies (plus straw men)
(“They claim they want marriage equality, but at the same time they want to force churches to endorse an irreligious practice; they want universal government-sponsored health care, but they do not support forcing people to become doctors, which would be necessarily to support such a massive program.”, and ” If they are pro-gay marriage, ask them which parent is less vital to a family: the mother or the father. Chances are, they’ll have to concede that a family is better with a mother and a father, not just one or the other”)

nothing we haven’t heard over and over again

ktth.com

The sad thing is, this is hailed as brilliant debate tactics on the Right.

150 BongCrodny  Sep 4, 2014 8:24:48pm

re: #134 Kid A

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I’m a little confused — exactly who has Johnson destroyed so far?

151 GeneJockey  Sep 4, 2014 8:25:40pm

re: #150 BongCrodny

I’m a little confused — exactly who has Johnson destroyed so far?

Well, there’s his own reputation.

152 psddluva4evah  Sep 4, 2014 8:26:26pm

re: #110 wrenchwench

Love watching that video. The fact that Al Green is still commanding the stage with a broken arm in a make-shift sling…I mean SUPERSTAR!

153 Targetpractice  Sep 4, 2014 8:27:27pm

re: #146 Kragar

Frailty was excellent, but a different kind of killer

Yeah, but I say “debatable” because we have to remember that the whole story is being told by the guy who claims he’s killing people on God’s orders. Unreliable narrator writ large.

154 GeneJockey  Sep 4, 2014 8:27:50pm

Hey, given the “I’m consulting with the lawyers” tweet, I’m starting to think he’s setting up a “I have found the truth, but my lawyers won’t let me share it! But trust me, Brown was a MONSTER!!!”

And a certain percentage of his audience will buy it.

155 wrenchwench  Sep 4, 2014 8:28:58pm

re: #152 psddluva4evah

Love watching that video. The fact that Al Green is still commanding the stage with a broken arm in a make-shift sling…I mean SUPERSTAR!

I hadn’t seen this one before. (It’s the 5th one I’ve watched since I posted the broken wing one)

Youtube Video

156 Targetpractice  Sep 4, 2014 8:29:04pm

re: #154 GeneJockey

Hey, given the “I’m consulting with the lawyers” tweet, I’m starting to think he’s setting up a “I have found the truth, but my lawyers won’t let me share it! But trust me, Brown was a MONSTER!!!”

And a certain percentage of his audience will buy it.

“They’re trying to hide something!!!!”

157 Kragar  Sep 4, 2014 8:29:13pm

re: #153 Targetpractice

Yeah, but I say “debatable” because we have to remember that the whole story is being told by the guy who claims he’s killing people on God’s orders. Unreliable narrator writ large.

The last couple minutes definitely threw the story up for debate

158 blueraven  Sep 4, 2014 8:29:26pm

WTF is he talking about?

159 Targetpractice  Sep 4, 2014 8:29:46pm

re: #157 Kragar

The last couple minutes definitely threw the story up for debate

Yeah, I generally like twist endings, but whoa.

160 prairiefire  Sep 4, 2014 8:35:47pm

“Oh, grow up!”.

161 BongCrodny  Sep 4, 2014 8:36:06pm

re: #158 blueraven

WTF is he talking about?

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There is absolutely *nothing* on a Google search about this, except for stuff 10 years ago.

I can’t wait to find out more about this one.

162 calochortus  Sep 4, 2014 8:36:40pm

re: #154 GeneJockey

Hey, given the “I’m consulting with the lawyers” tweet, I’m starting to think he’s setting up a “I have found the truth, but my lawyers won’t let me share it! But trust me, Brown was a MONSTER!!!”

And a certain percentage of his audience will buy it.

His lawyers apparently work rather unusual hours.

163 ausador  Sep 4, 2014 8:41:51pm

re: #158 blueraven

WTF is he talking about?

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Don’t have a clue, last deployment to Kuwait I can find was 2012 and that was a small one for joint readiness training.

164 Stanley Sea  Sep 4, 2014 8:42:05pm

re: #139 danarchy

positive there is no battery? Mine are hard wired but have a battery backup and will beep even when plugged in if the battery is dieing

Battery yes, took out old put in new. Still beep. tks from the sofa.

165 Apocalypse  Sep 4, 2014 8:42:19pm

re: #162 calochortus

His lawyers apparently work rather unusual hours.

Imaginary Lawyers tend to have such hours.

166 blueraven  Sep 4, 2014 8:43:47pm

Oh FFS. JOURNALISM!!

167 ausador  Sep 4, 2014 8:43:52pm

re: #158 blueraven

WTF is he talking about?

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In the replies to that post he explains his “source”…

The son of a contractor to the Marine corps told me.

Edit: Beaten by 5 seconds! lol

168 Kragar  Sep 4, 2014 8:44:44pm

re: #166 blueraven

Oh FFS. JOURNALISM!!

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169 psddluva4evah  Sep 4, 2014 8:44:54pm

re: #155 wrenchwench

Classic Al Green! The man was a great LIVE performer. Still is from what I understand.

One of my fav LIVE Soul Train performance is Love and Happiness. My favorite part isn’t even the singing, or the showmanship, it’s all stellar. My fav part is when he stops singing acapella and stomps his feet to hit the note where the music comes in.

Like I said, great showman.

Youtube Video

170 prairiefire  Sep 4, 2014 8:45:05pm

Anybody catch some of the leaked celeb nude photos? Whooah

171 Stanley Sea  Sep 4, 2014 8:45:56pm

re: #170 prairiefire

Anybody catch some of the leaked celeb nude photos? Whooah

Prairie! (no)

172 BongCrodny  Sep 4, 2014 8:46:19pm

re: #166 blueraven

Oh FFS. JOURNALISM!!

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Awesome.

173 Stanley Sea  Sep 4, 2014 8:47:12pm

k, I’ve had enough of a night. We’ll see how long I can ignore the beep. (fan blowing on my head full blast) +++

174 prairiefire  Sep 4, 2014 8:47:42pm

re: #171 Stanley Sea

Prairie! (no)

I think most are pulled down now. May I just say Jennifer Lawrence certainly deserves that Oscar.

175 Kragar  Sep 4, 2014 8:48:05pm

re: #170 prairiefire

Anybody catch some of the leaked celeb nude photos? Whooah

176 teleskiguy  Sep 4, 2014 8:48:26pm

So I’m re-reading Radley Balko’s exposé on St. Louis County municipalities deriving much of their budgets from court fines and every town I came across in the article I looked at their Wikipedia page (there are 90 municipalities in St. Louis County).

Every Wikipedia entry about some municipality I read had a somewhat detailed description of that municipality’s police force. Every. Single. One.

O_o

177 ninja cat  Sep 4, 2014 8:48:50pm

re: #166 blueraven

Delusional, drunk or trolling?

178 elizajane  Sep 4, 2014 8:49:18pm

re: #24 uncah91

h/t to Chait, this Economist review of a book arguing that slavery essentially is responsible for America’s prosperity is a real piece of work.

But the comments, well they almost restore my faith in humanity.

Yes, I read that review earlier today. And then I tore up my subscription renewal notice from The Economist.

179 Amory Blaine  Sep 4, 2014 8:49:36pm

Try blowing it out with air. Also if you can see behind or remove the mounting bracket there may be a wiring harness that may just clip apart. It should be a low voltage circuit (maybe 12v).

180 calochortus  Sep 4, 2014 8:50:12pm

re: #177 ninja cat

Delusional, drunk or trolling?

Not mutually exclusive.

181 prairiefire  Sep 4, 2014 8:50:15pm

re: #175 Kragar

One day in 60 years, she’ll be all like, “yeah, I was da bomb.”

182 blueraven  Sep 4, 2014 8:51:04pm

re: #177 ninja cat

Delusional, drunk or trolling?

I think he made the trifecta.

183 ausador  Sep 4, 2014 8:52:03pm

re: #174 prairiefire

I think most are pulled down now. May I just say Jennifer Lawrence certainly deserves that Oscar.

Pirate Bay tracker still has a couple of thousand people downloading the torrent currently. :(

(the fappening)

184 Amory Blaine  Sep 4, 2014 8:52:24pm

re: #179 Amory Blaine

Try blowing it out with air. Also if you can see behind or remove the mounting bracket there may be a wiring harness that may just clip apart. It should be a low voltage circuit (maybe 12v).

Hmmm maybe low voltage is wrong. Probably 120v.

185 Targetpractice  Sep 4, 2014 8:54:20pm

Huh, didn’t realize Bob McDonnell now holds a dubious title: First Virginia governor to be indicted and convicted of corruption.

186 thecommodore  Sep 4, 2014 8:56:40pm

Considering the botched rollout of healthcare.gov, it’s understandable that Breitbart would think it was the thing that was actually hacked. Heck, I bet Obama personally ordered that ser er connected to the Internet, like he ordered the stand downs to stop any rescue at Benghazi. You really can’t put anything past Team Kenyan.

///////

187 ausador  Sep 4, 2014 8:56:46pm

re: #177 ninja cat

Delusional, drunk or trolling?

If any Marines are there (and I highly doubt) then it hasn’t been announced for operational security reasons. Which Chuck just ruined if true, one reason why real Journalists are careful about reporting troop movements.

But apparently not an “award winning journalist” like Chuck, he is above all of that.

/

188 Dark_Falcon  Sep 4, 2014 8:57:08pm

re: #174 prairiefire

I think most are pulled down now. May I just say Jennifer Lawrence certainly deserves that Oscar.

I don’t even want to know where the skyline is on this one.

189 Dark_Falcon  Sep 4, 2014 8:58:33pm

re: #166 blueraven

Oh FFS. JOURNALISM!!

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190 Kragar  Sep 4, 2014 8:59:04pm

CCJ’s Big Scoop?

He found a teenager’s instagram account.

191 Single-handed sailor  Sep 4, 2014 9:00:12pm

re: #158 blueraven

WTF is he talking about?

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Somebody should tweet this back

192 calochortus  Sep 4, 2014 9:00:32pm

re: #190 Kragar

CCJ’s Big Scoop?

He found a teenager’s instagram account.

Is it changing things forever, or whatever it was he said?

193 prairiefire  Sep 4, 2014 9:01:30pm

re: #188 Dark_Falcon

I don’t even want to know where the skyline is on this one.

I’m just saying, I know there are beautiful women out there, now I know there are really, really beautiful women out there. Lesson hopefully learned by all the young ones. The “cloud” is not really a cloud.

194 Kragar  Sep 4, 2014 9:01:49pm
195 HappyWarrior  Sep 4, 2014 9:02:43pm

re: #194 Kragar

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Pafuckinthetic.

196 teleskiguy  Sep 4, 2014 9:03:29pm

Chuck C. Johnson is a shitty human being, through and through. Mean, bigoted, not a scintilla of self-awareness, arrogant asshole, and dumber than hell.

197 Amory Blaine  Sep 4, 2014 9:03:50pm

6º of Kevin Bacon. Sounds legit.

198 BongCrodny  Sep 4, 2014 9:05:16pm

The *first* (and so far only) comment to Johnson’s latest and bestest scoop is quite succinct:

“You’re an idiot.”

199 prairiefire  Sep 4, 2014 9:05:51pm

“when what you thought was pink is brown, and what was symmetrical is asymmetrical…”. Bob’s Burgers

200 Targetpractice  Sep 4, 2014 9:06:38pm

re: #194 Kragar

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Chucky does understand that introducing character evidence against Brown invites the prosecution to introduce character evidence against Wilson, right? Is he willing to gamble that Wilson’s own life is squeaky clean?

201 Dark_Falcon  Sep 4, 2014 9:07:29pm

re: #199 prairiefire

“when what you thought was pink is brown, and what was symmetrical is asymmetrical…”. Bob’s Burgers

TMI.

202 Teukka  Sep 4, 2014 9:07:50pm

re: #191 Single-handed sailor

Somebody should tweet this back

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Did that :)

203 prairiefire  Sep 4, 2014 9:08:24pm

re: #201 Dark_Falcon

TMI.

Funny show on Fox, check it out.

204 Amory Blaine  Sep 4, 2014 9:09:04pm

I like the first comment for his story.

Russell • 6 minutes ago
You’re an idiot.

205 Kragar  Sep 4, 2014 9:09:17pm
206 Dark_Falcon  Sep 4, 2014 9:10:20pm

re: #200 Targetpractice

Chucky does understand that introducing character evidence against Brown invites the prosecution to introduce character evidence against Wilson, right? Is he willing to gamble that Wilson’s own life is squeaky clean?

Any jury judging Darin Wilson will never see those photos. Trayvon Martin had videos talking about being ‘gangsta’, but because George Zimmerman didn’t know him and they contained no references to burglary, they were never shown at Zimmerman’s trial.

207 Targetpractice  Sep 4, 2014 9:11:05pm

Seriously, it’s a sad state of affairs in any murder case where you have to resort to impugning the victim’s character to save your client. Because at that point, you’ve pretty much admitted that the evidence does not look good for him.

208 BongCrodny  Sep 4, 2014 9:11:19pm

Jesus. Unbelievable.

Brown’s bio included the eery line, “My Hands My Ammunition,” a statement made all the more creepy given his participation in a strong arm robbery.

IT’S A SONG TITLE, YOU FUCKING MORON!

209 Dark_Falcon  Sep 4, 2014 9:11:39pm

re: #203 prairiefire

Funny show on Fox, check it out.

You will forgive me, but in light of earlier posts by you on this thread I thought you were making some sort of reference / joke.

210 Targetpractice  Sep 4, 2014 9:12:13pm

re: #206 Dark_Falcon

Any jury judging Darin Wilson will never see those photos. Trayvon Martin had videos talking about being ‘gangsta’, but because George Zimmerman didn’t know him and they contained no references to burglary, they were never shown at Zimmerman’s trial.

To be fair, by that point of the trial, it had become clear that the prosecution’s case was pretty inept, such that presenting character evidence against Martin would have only hurt, rather than helped the defense’s case.

211 Teukka  Sep 4, 2014 9:12:20pm

re: #202 Teukka

Did that :)

And he promptly deleted it.

212 GlutenFreeJesus  Sep 4, 2014 9:12:26pm

re: #194 Kragar

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Exclusive: What we found on Charles C. Johnson’s Twitter

213 calochortus  Sep 4, 2014 9:12:28pm

re: #200 Targetpractice

Chucky does understand that introducing character evidence against Brown invites the prosecution to introduce character evidence against Wilson, right? Is he willing to gamble that Wilson’s own life is squeaky clean?

Not sure how young people posting kind of silly pictures of themselves with a few random lyrics from their favorite songs or whatever says anything about their character. But that’s just me.

Chuck might also want to use a spell checker. It’s “eerie” not “eery”.

214 prairiefire  Sep 4, 2014 9:14:20pm

re: #209 Dark_Falcon

You will forgive me, but in light of earlier posts by you on this thread I thought you were making some sort of reference / joke.

It’s a quote by a disillusioned character after mom Linda flashes her boobs on a local tv show. It’s animated.

215 Gus  Sep 4, 2014 9:15:38pm

re: #205 Kragar

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216 GlutenFreeJesus  Sep 4, 2014 9:16:06pm

re: #199 prairiefire

“when what you thought was pink is brown, and what was symmetrical is asymmetrical…”. Bob’s Burgers

Tina is the best.

217 prairiefire  Sep 4, 2014 9:18:44pm

re: #216 GlutenFreeJesus

Yes she is.

218 WhatEVs  Sep 4, 2014 9:20:54pm

re: #194 Kragar

Comments at GotNews are not kind to Chuck.

219 Dark_Falcon  Sep 4, 2014 9:21:47pm

re: #208 BongCrodny

Jesus. Unbelievable.

IT’S A SONG TITLE, YOU FUCKING MORON!

He likely knows, but he’s trying to stoke anger and fear by presenting Michael Brown as a “large, violent minded [n-word] thug!!1” The ultimate object of the hatespew is to get attention for Charles C Johnson.

220 ausador  Sep 4, 2014 9:25:59pm

re: #198 BongCrodny

The *first* (and so far only) comment to Johnson’s latest and bestest scoop is quite succinct:

My Two are better…

Ausador • 14 minutes ago

lmao at the big “bombshell.” This totally proves how much he deserved to be gunned down…not!

#2

Ausador • 3 minutes ago

The local police departments are using poor people as piggy banks for the towns, look at the records that have already come out.

The DoJ isn’t out to take over the Michael Brown Investigation, it is out to look at the records of the local police entities for proof of systematic rights infringements. Just the same as it has done to many other Police departments that have shown clear evidence of abusing the citizens they are supposed to be protecting.

The St Louis County Police are still in charge of the investigation and the local prosecutor is still presenting the evidence they have already gathered to the Grand Jury. Your allegation that the DoJ is trying to interfere with the possible criminal case is absolutely baseless. If that had been their intention they sure wouldn’t have waited until after the Grand Jury was already hearing evidence in the case.

221 EmmaAnne  Sep 4, 2014 9:28:11pm

re: #24 uncah91

h/t to Chait, this Economist review of a book arguing that slavery essentially is responsible for America’s prosperity is a real piece of work.

But the comments, well they almost restore my faith in humanity.

#NotAllSlaveOwners gave me a hollow laugh.

222 teleskiguy  Sep 4, 2014 9:30:06pm

Comment at Chuck C. Johnson’s latest faux-bombshell

ronica: Chuck…Good info Fuck your haters. One sentence sums it up and speaks volumes..my hands are my ammunition. That says it all. He’s garbage a thug a gang banger who died like a gang banging thug

223 Dark_Falcon  Sep 4, 2014 9:30:11pm

re: #220 ausador

My Two are better…

#2

The story is properly not called a ‘bombshell’ but rather an ‘empty shell’.

224 Apocalypse  Sep 4, 2014 9:31:30pm

re: #201 Dark_Falcon

TMI.

MetaTMI

I only can only guess what you thought it meant.

225 teleskiguy  Sep 4, 2014 9:32:41pm

A reply to our commenter ausador in Chuck C. Johnson’s latest dud

Zefal: Who said he to be gunned down? No one. If he was charging the officer then the officer had just cause to fire his weapon as he did. Media tried to paint him as a innocent kid. He was another drugged-up gang banger.

226 Single-handed sailor  Sep 4, 2014 9:33:33pm

re: #223 Dark_Falcon

The story is properly not called a ‘bombshell’ but rather an ‘empty shell’.

Can be simplified to ‘dud’.

227 Dark_Falcon  Sep 4, 2014 9:33:41pm

re: #222 teleskiguy

Comment at Chuck C. Johnson’s latest faux-bombshell

Which is why Chuck C. Cheesy posted that lyric: He wants those who already want to believe Michael Brown deserved to die to latch onto it.

228 teleskiguy  Sep 4, 2014 9:35:53pm

re: #227 Dark_Falcon

Which is why Chuck C. Cheesy posted that lyric: He wants those who already want to believe Michael Brown deserved to die to latch onto it.

You’ve alluded to this before, but it bears repeating. “Thug” is the new “n*****” with these RWNJs talking to each other online.

229 Targetpractice  Sep 4, 2014 9:38:15pm

So it’s been what, roughly 3 weeks now? So we’re looking at another 1-3 weeks before we might see a toxicology report?

230 Gus  Sep 4, 2014 9:40:26pm

Chuck’s from another planet.

231 Dark_Falcon  Sep 4, 2014 9:41:28pm

re: #229 Targetpractice

So it’s been what, roughly 3 weeks now? So we’re looking at another 1-3 weeks before we might see a toxicology report?

It might not be made public till after the grand jury votes. The reason being to keep things calm and make sure whatever action the grand jury takes is seen as being based on the facts, not on protests and politics.

232 Dark_Falcon  Sep 4, 2014 9:41:50pm

re: #230 Gus

Chuck’s from another planet.

Yes, he came from Uranus.

233 teleskiguy  Sep 4, 2014 9:42:04pm

Radley Balko, being arguably one the most prominent dudebros in the country (wrote for Reason, is a fan of Pernicious G™, now has a regular blog and column at the Washington Post), he nonetheless did a marvelous report on St. Louis County and if any Lizard hasn’t read it yet, read it. It’ll knock your socks off.

234 WhatEVs  Sep 4, 2014 9:42:16pm

Like no teenage boys act all badass.

Open season in dumb kids.

235 BeachDem  Sep 4, 2014 9:42:18pm

re: #222 teleskiguy

Comment at Chuck C. Johnson’s latest faux-bombshell

And we have liftoff…damn I hate these assholes.

236 wrenchwench  Sep 4, 2014 9:43:41pm

Later, lizards.

237 Single-handed sailor  Sep 4, 2014 9:43:53pm

re: #230 Gus

Chuck’s from another planet.

I think he was picked on in middle school…

failure at life

238 Gus  Sep 4, 2014 9:45:09pm

re: #236 wrenchwench

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Later, lizards.

It’s a tiny lion! //

239 Targetpractice  Sep 4, 2014 9:48:04pm

A teenager talking shit on the Internet is indicative of one being a “thug”? Apparently Chucky has never spent time in a Halo lobby. Or a Counter Strike lobby. Or a Call of Duty lobby. Or… you get the picture.

240 Gus  Sep 4, 2014 9:53:30pm
241 BeachDem  Sep 4, 2014 9:53:31pm

Obviously CCJ is severely sarcasm impaired.

242 Gus  Sep 4, 2014 9:54:14pm

re: #241 BeachDem

Obviously CCJ is severely sarcasm impaired.

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Ha! Clueless.

243 teleskiguy  Sep 4, 2014 9:54:31pm

re: #239 Targetpractice

A teenager talking shit on the Internet is indicative of one being a “thug”? Apparently Chucky has never spent time in a Halo lobby. Or a Counter Strike lobby. Or a Call of Duty lobby. Or… you get the picture.

I think we all know Chuck C. Johnson’s motivation here. He’s firing up the mouth breathers. Here, another comment from Chuck’s stupid piece, another commenter replying to our ausador:

BananapudN: People really dont kno black culture. Trust if he was a Thug or a bad seed the community would not care to this magnitude. This is not the first time a black child has been killed by police in st louis. We know the heart of this child/youngman .you don’t

WE HERE KNOW THAT BLACK PEOPLE ARE THUGS!

Absolutely disgusting.

EDIT: Stupid Internet Comments! Context can be hard to discern. It appears BananapudN is on the right side.

BananapudN: Walking psycho, mental case. Help him Jesus

BananapudN: If you were fired from a news source I see why…

244 klys  Sep 4, 2014 9:57:07pm

re: #243 teleskiguy

I think we all know Chuck C. Johnson’s motivation here. He’s firing up the mouth breathers. Here, another comment from Chuck’s stupid piece, another commenter replying to our ausador:

WE HERE KNOW THAT BLACK PEOPLE ARE THUGS!

Absolutely disgusting.

These are the people Republican candidates court for votes.

Just think about that.

245 teleskiguy  Sep 4, 2014 9:59:51pm

re: #244 klys

These are the people Republican candidates court for votes.

Just think about that.

Oh I’ve thought about it, a lot. Ever since Strom Thurmond’s Dixiecrat campaign for president in 1948, it’s been this way for racist Republicans for a long time.

246 ausador  Sep 4, 2014 10:04:25pm

I’m done replying over there, not going to waste any more time until I see whether Chuck just deletes them all or not. So far the people on the side of right are winning but i imagine that will change in the morning when folks get up.

247 teleskiguy  Sep 4, 2014 10:07:23pm

re: #246 ausador

I’m done replying over there, not going to waste any more time until I see whether Chuck just deletes them all or not. So far the people on the side of right are winning but i imagine that will change in the morning when folks get up.

As a timid LGF netizen, I thank you for wading in the fever swamps. I think you said all that needs to be said on that comment board.

248 psddluva4evah  Sep 4, 2014 10:22:06pm

re: #229 Targetpractice

I am of the mind that one of the many reasons they are keeping so much under wraps, including Darren Wilson’ whereabouts is because they already know Wilson will never be charged with anything., grand jury or not.

When the shhh hits the fan, Darren Wilson unlike George Z will either never be heard or seen again.

At this point, I think the ONLY justice the Brown family will get will be in the form of the DOJ Civil Rights investigation against Ferguson PD and maybe STL county too. The DOJ though won’t be criminal against Wilson, just civil rights violation for the county.

Sad to say I hope they find comfort in that.

Anyway, good night Lizards.

249 austin_blue  Sep 4, 2014 10:24:43pm

re: #243 teleskiguy

I think we all know Chuck C. Johnson’s motivation here. He’s firing up the mouth breathers. Here, another comment from Chuck’s stupid piece, another commenter replying to our ausador:

WE HERE KNOW THAT BLACK PEOPLE ARE THUGS!

Absolutely disgusting.

EDIT: Stupid Internet Comments! Context can be hard to discern. It appears BananapudN is on the right side.

Of course they are. And the KKK are just freedom loving patriots. (Even with the edit, we see it all the time.)

250 Charles Johnson  Sep 4, 2014 10:30:08pm
251 Shazam  Sep 4, 2014 10:35:39pm

Can we round up and shoot all the kids who call you a fag on XBOX Live now?

252 BeachDem  Sep 4, 2014 10:47:52pm

Talk about a dream job!!!!

The House’s most unique and courageous conservative seeks smart, happy interns (of all ages and backgrounds) for the remainder of the year. Alas, we cannot pay you. Schedules and start/end dates are negotiable if you’re worth it. …

ME—are you interested yet—I mean, it’s September, you won’t get paid, and the end date is actually pretty well determined (see below)

This Member is not a jerk, and neither loathes nor avoids interns, but loves them, and actually speaks to them. If you are selected for this internship you will have extraordinary access to the Member and to meaningful projects that go well beyond the standard intern grunt work (or your money back).

ME—this member IS a jerk—a total and complete jerk and trust me, the last thing anyone sane would want is access to this member (and why he capitalizes Member, I do not know.)

HINT: vapid granolas who fear guns, hate babies, are ashamed of America, and think Islamic terrorists and illegal aliens are just misunderstood will not be comfortable here.

ME—Guess who? Why it’s Steve Stockman, y’all. So after you move to DC on your own dime for an unpaid internship, you will definitely be out of a job at the end of the year because he won’t be there.

foxx.house.gov

And on that cheerful note, good night all.

253 Jenner7  Sep 4, 2014 11:03:43pm

So I guess Mike’s song lyrics and his middle fingers are evidence that he charged the officer. What a douche.

254 ausador  Sep 4, 2014 11:14:06pm

Breaking: Michael Brown wears scary “gangster hat!”

Proof positive that this menace to society deserved to die!

Come back tomorrow for more stunning revelations!

Flips dual birds while wearing dinosaur gang hat! Friend making some kind of gang sign!

///jic

255 lostlakehiker  Sep 4, 2014 11:38:29pm

re: #237 Single-handed sailor

I think he was picked on in middle school…

failure at life

In many police departments, a college degree is expected. In police departments where the officers tend to be uneducated, it would cut into the chances a pretty young woman might have to sweet talk her way out of the ticket to reply with that taunt. In other words, the taunt is either ignorant and asking for justice not mercy, or on target and asking for trouble.

256 ausador  Sep 5, 2014 12:05:27am
257 freetoken  Sep 5, 2014 12:27:56am

This one goes out to CCJ, something with which he may identify:

MP3 Audio

258 Gus  Sep 5, 2014 12:33:29am
259 Ace-o-aces  Sep 5, 2014 1:02:08am
260 Lancelot Link  Sep 5, 2014 1:15:25am

Did somebody mention…GANG SIGNS??

261 Higgs Boson's Mate  Sep 5, 2014 1:15:28am

re: #222 teleskiguy

Michael Brown’s real crime in the eyes of the mouth breathers is that he was a young Black man on his way to a place they’ve never been and never will be: college.

262 Jayleia  Sep 5, 2014 1:33:22am
263 freetoken  Sep 5, 2014 3:00:49am

MP3 Audio

264 Frenchy  Sep 5, 2014 3:06:56am

I’ve decided not to bother myself with getting angry about the things that Chuck C. Johnson does or says anymore. He is a lot of things, but he is above all a troll, and the negative reaction, and the accompanying attention it brings him, is what he is seeking more than anything.

Unlike the usual host of demagogues that we rail on regularly (Limbaugh, Hannity, Hoft, etc.), I don’t believe that nearly enough people take this doofus seriously for him to do any real harm. So I’m just putting him on ignore, for the sake of my own mental health.

265 Timothy Watson  Sep 5, 2014 3:17:41am

re: #255 lostlakehiker

In many police departments, a college degree is expected. In police departments where the officers tend to be uneducated, it would cut into the chances a pretty young woman might have to sweet talk her way out of the ticket to reply with that taunt. In other words, the taunt is either ignorant and asking for justice not mercy, or on target and asking for trouble.

It varies a lot by agency: agencies which can afford to offer a higher starting salary can be more selective of their applicants, they may want someone with a college degree, prior military experience, or prior law-enforcement experience (which, in states which have a statewide certification for law enforcement officers, means they don’t have to pay for your training).

Some jurisdictions do become known as a “starter agency” here in Virginia, where we have statewide certification for law enforcement officers. You may get hired in a place where you don’t get paid much but they don’t mind paying for you training and certification, work there for a couple years, and then go to a higher paying organization up north in Northern Virginia. Of course, this isn’t isolated to law enforcement. I know several of my teachers in high school started in my rural locale and then moved to higher paying school systems once they had a couple years of experience.

266 Dark_Falcon  Sep 5, 2014 3:37:31am
267 William Barnett-Lewis  Sep 5, 2014 3:40:02am

re: #266 Dark_Falcon

That’s the Dumbest Racist on the Internet … ;)

268 Dr Lizardo  Sep 5, 2014 3:56:55am

Meanwhile, it looks like of some of those would-be jihadis who went off to fight for IS have had a change of heart.

Dozens of British jihadists fighting in Syria and Iraq have contacted intermediary groups in the UK appealing for amnesty and “begging to come home”, according to The Times.

One jihadist contacted researchers at the International Centre for Study of Radicalisation and Political Violence (ICSR) at King’s College London claiming to speak on behalf of a group of 30 fighters, all of whom wanted to return to Britain.

The man reportedly expressed fears that he and his comrades would face long jail terms if they attempted to return to the UK, but said that they would be willing to submit themselves to deradicalisation programmes and police monitoring.

It is believed that at least 500 Britons have travelled to the region since 2011, most of whom have ended up in groups affiliated with the Islamic State (IS) but many have grown disillusioned with the conflict

theweek.co.uk

There’s a big part of me that would say, “Tough shit, mofo”, but then that part of me that has simple human decency also says, “Well, everyone does something stupid at least once in their life - and especially when they’re young.”

Tough call on my part, but I’d certainly keep them under surveillance and they’d have to go through something analogous to a cult deprogamming.

269 andres  Sep 5, 2014 4:05:22am

re: #268 Dr Lizardo

Meanwhile, it looks like of some of those would-be jihadis who went off to fight for IS have had a change of heart.

theweek.co.uk

There’s a big part of me that would say, “Tough shit, mofo”, but then that part of me that has simple human decency also says, “Well, everyone does something stupid at least once in their life - and especially when they’re young.”

Tough call on my part, but I’d certainly keep them under surveillance and they’d have to go through something analogous to a cult deprogamming.

If their change of heart is genuine, it’s a big step towards fighting this type of radicalization.

270 Dr Lizardo  Sep 5, 2014 4:10:16am

re: #269 andres

If their change of heart is genuine, it’s a big step towards fighting this type of radicalization.

Yeah. I’d keep an eagle eye on them, that’s for sure, but at the same time, the young are frequently impetuous and susceptible to all kinds of crazy notions: I accept that. It’s entirely possible these guys realized just how far in over their heads they really were, and that their new-found comrades-in-arms were a bunch of gibbering psychopaths using religion as an excuse to indulge their insane fantasies.

But like I said, I’d be keeping a damned sharp eye on them for quite some time.

271 Dark_Falcon  Sep 5, 2014 4:13:13am

re: #268 Dr Lizardo

Meanwhile, it looks like of some of those would-be jihadis who went off to fight for IS have had a change of heart.

theweek.co.uk

There’s a big part of me that would say, “Tough shit, mofo”, but then that part of me that has simple human decency also says, “Well, everyone does something stupid at least once in their life - and especially when they’re young.”

Tough call on my part, but I’d certainly keep them under surveillance and they’d have to go through something analogous to a cult deprogamming.

I hear you, but my own response would be to reply “After the atrocities that ISIS has committed, I can offer no nothing save to accept your surrender, with the only condition upon that surrender being a promise that if you surrender you will not be subject to mistreatment or Enhanced Interrogation.”

272 Dr Lizardo  Sep 5, 2014 4:20:13am

re: #271 Dark_Falcon

I hear you, but my own response would be to reply “After the atrocities that ISIS has committed, I can offer no nothing save to accept your surrender, with the only condition upon that surrender being a promise that if you surrender you will not be subject to mistreatment or Enhanced Interrogation.”

Western intel services might well be able to glean some info from them on how IS works; it would be interesting to see how their command structure functions, decision-making, strategic planning, etc. I don’t know if any of these fellows are high-ranking enough to have participated in such affairs, but perhaps they may some general information on the matter.

And with that, it’s a glorious September day here in Central Europe, so I’m going downtown for awhile.

BBL.

273 Dark_Falcon  Sep 5, 2014 4:20:43am

This is one of the best pieces I’ve come across that explains Russia’s current tactics in Ukraine and how they might be used going forward. The document calls these tactics “Next Generation Warfare”, as opposed to the XX Committee site’s name of “Special Warfare”, but whatever you call it understanding it is vital:

Russia’s New Generation Warfare in Ukraine: Implications for Latvian
Defense Policy

274 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Sep 5, 2014 4:41:57am

I think I like Venice more than Florence after all.

275 BongCrodny  Sep 5, 2014 4:45:46am

Okay, so “My Hands My Ammunition.”

Clearly, Brown made a pistol with his thumb and extended forefinger.

What choice did Wilson have but to shoot him dead?

276 b.d.  Sep 5, 2014 4:47:21am

Can we go ahead and charge Chuck C with necrophilia and be done with all of this?

277 Pie-onist Overlord  Sep 5, 2014 4:48:11am

Oh lovely.

Now in addition to all the Derp from HURR HURR MINIMUM WAGE WORKERS IS TEH USELESS MOOCHERZ!!!1!!!!! I’m getting DEATH TO TEH ZIONIST JUICE!!!!!! in my time line.

278 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Sep 5, 2014 4:59:10am

re: #277 Pie-onist Overlord

So many idiots, so little time. BTW, have you been to Venice? My hotel is near the former Jewish ghetto, lots of Jewish (I suppose, mostly Israeli) tourists here.

279 Pie-onist Overlord  Sep 5, 2014 5:01:51am

re: #278 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

So many idiots, so little time. BTW, have you been to Venice? My hotel is near the former Jewish ghetto, lots of Jewish (I suppose, mostly Israeli) tourists here.

Never been to Venice. Next year we are visiting my daughter in Israel, spending a couple days in Prague on the way.

280 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Sep 5, 2014 5:04:19am

re: #279 Pie-onist Overlord

Gotta go to Prague one day… Maybe next year :)

281 Bulworth  Sep 5, 2014 5:18:51am
The same federal government that wants to centralize and computerize healthcare, including your health records, got itself hacked back in July. The Wall Street Journal reports that the healthcare.gov site, the central hub of the ObamaCare boondoggle, was broken into by a hacker who, thankfully, did not access anyone’s personal data.

—-

BOONDOGGLE!!!!!!! Trainwreck!!!!!! Repeal&Replace!!!! Oh wait, no, just REPEAL!!!!!111

282 Aye Pod  Sep 5, 2014 5:30:10am

Morning folks. Here’s a little motivational video to get you all fired up and ready to meet the day (NSFW):

Youtube Video

283 b.d.  Sep 5, 2014 5:38:51am

Greenwald retweeting Benghazi! stand down stories this AM. But he is the most progressive of progressives.

284 Belafon  Sep 5, 2014 5:48:24am

re: #250 Charles Johnson

Obviously it’s the black guy standing in the corner waiting to refill everyone’s drinks.

285 RealityBasedSteve  Sep 5, 2014 5:50:24am

lets see, the HUGE EARTHSHATTERING STORY from CCJ is that “I have pictures of an 18 y/o boy acting just like 18 y/o boys act”. I suspect the facebook / instagram accts of 90% of young men have shots of them playing the fool. I know when I was in the Army we did stuff like that.

What a nothingburger, doesn’t even have cheese.

RBS

286 ChuckJager95  Sep 5, 2014 5:52:30am

For someone whose default Twitter pic looks like Wicket trying to convince his dealer that his Return residuals aren’t drying up, Chuckie C puts an awful lot of stock in what each and every picture of an individual says of their character.

287 HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2014 5:54:52am

He’s desperate not only to smear Brown but for attention. What a sad bag of shit he is.

288 b.d.  Sep 5, 2014 5:59:27am

And this has to be spun as horrible news because, well, ya know…

Yuck. The jobs market lost some steam in August, with only 142,000 jobs added last month.

The consensus forecast from economists surveyed by CNNMoney was for a jobs gain of 226,000 jobs. The unemployment rate dipped slightly to 6.1%, down from 6.2% in July.

money.cnn.com

289 Mike Lamb  Sep 5, 2014 6:03:56am

re: #228 teleskiguy

You’ve alluded to this before, but it bears repeating. “Thug” is the new “n*****” with these RWNJs talking to each other online.

H/T to Richard Sherman and probably several others before him…

290 HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2014 6:07:12am

See, I would see a thug as being akin to the assholes who feel the need to intimidate people by open carrying in grocery stores. I would not see a thug as a black teenager goofing around. Real pathetic yet not surprising that they’re going after Brown for his rap lyrics. That shit is so fucking lame but again par the course. I still remember the outrage about rap lyrics while country and folk music has “glorified” crime too. I’m not a huge rap fan but using the kid’s music to attack his character is really fucking crass.

291 lawhawk  Sep 5, 2014 6:09:52am
292 HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2014 6:11:46am

re: #291 lawhawk

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Pretty damn good considering Obama has had a Congress that has shown no desire at all to work with him.

293 HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2014 6:13:51am

Obama has accomplished a lot honestly given that his opposition is literally filled with people who think he’s the anti-christ.

294 WhatEVs  Sep 5, 2014 6:15:53am

re: #176 teleskiguy

So I’m re-reading Radley Balko’s exposé on St. Louis County municipalities deriving much of their budgets from court fines and every town I came across in the article I looked at their Wikipedia page (there are 90 municipalities in St. Louis County).

Every Wikipedia entry about some municipality I read had a somewhat detailed description of that municipality’s police force. Every. Single. One.

O_o

The saddest thing about making a single force for multiple communities is it would be St. Louis County Police. And they’ve shown that they’re as violent and corrupt as Ferguson. A complete no-win for residents.

I don’t know how to fix this horribly broken area, but I do know this: I’ll never go back to MO again.

295 lawhawk  Sep 5, 2014 6:20:20am
296 Decatur Deb  Sep 5, 2014 6:22:59am

re: #272 Dr Lizardo

Western intel services might well be able to glean some info from them on how IS works; it would be interesting to see how their command structure functions, decision-making, strategic planning, etc. I don’t know if any of these fellows are high-ranking enough to have participated in such affairs, but perhaps they may some general information on the matter.

And with that, it’s a glorious September day here in Central Europe, so I’m going downtown for awhile.

BBL.

You know who else had a glorious September day in Central Europe…

297 Lidane  Sep 5, 2014 6:23:14am

WTF is wrong with these people?

Laurie Higgins: Libraries Need Books About The ‘Joy’ Kids Feel When Their Gay Parents Die

Next year, will the Schaumburg librarians display photos of empty shelves where books that challenge Leftist assumptions about the nature and morality of homosexuality should be (you know, pro-heterosexuality/pro-heteronormativity books)?

Will they ask for young adult (YA) novels about teens who feel sadness and resentment about being intentionally deprived of a mother or father and who seek to find their missing biological parents?

Will they ask for dark, angsty novels about teens who are damaged by the promiscuity of their “gay” “fathers” who hold sexual monogamy in disdain?

Will they ask for novels about young adults who are consumed by a sense of loss and bitterness that their politically correct and foolish parents allowed them during the entirety of their childhood to cross-dress, change their names, and take medication to prevent puberty, thus deforming their bodies?

Will they ask for novels about teens who suffer because of the harrowing fights and serial “marriages” of their lesbian mothers?

Will they ask for picture books that show the joy a little birdie experiences when after the West Nile virus deaths of her two daddies, she’s finally adopted by a daddy and mommy?

Surely, there are some teens and children who will identify with such stories.

298 WhatEVs  Sep 5, 2014 6:23:55am

re: #208 BongCrodny

Jesus. Unbelievable.

IT’S A SONG TITLE, YOU FUCKING MORON!

What song is this? I can’t find anything.

299 Pie-onist Overlord  Sep 5, 2014 6:27:37am

I don’t understand why wingnuts think that people who work all day long at menial labor is not a “real” job. Fast workers work much HARDER than this idiot:

300 ChuckJager95  Sep 5, 2014 6:27:53am

re: #176 teleskiguy

So I’m re-reading Radley Balko’s exposé on St. Louis County municipalities deriving much of their budgets from court fines and every town I came across in the article I looked at their Wikipedia page (there are 90 municipalities in St. Louis County).

Every Wikipedia entry about some municipality I read had a somewhat detailed description of that municipality’s police force. Every. Single. One.

O_o

“The Florissant prosecutor is Ronald Brockmeyer, who also has a criminal defense practice in St. Charles County, and who is also the chief municipal prosecutor for the towns of Vinita Park and Dellwood. He is also the judge - yes, the judge — in both Ferguson and Breckenridge Hills. Brockmeyer isn’t alone: Several other attorneys serve as prosecutor in one town and judge in another. And at least one St. Louis County assistant district attorney is also a municipal court judge.

“I had a felony criminal case in state court a few weeks ago,” says a local defense attorney, who asked not to be quoted by name. “Sometimes criminal cases can get contentious. You have to do everything you can to defend your client, and sometime your interaction with a prosecutor can get combative. A few days later, I was representing a client who had a few warrants in a municipal court where the same prosecutor I was just battling with is now the judge. Is my client is going to get a fair hearing? You hope so. But it sure looks like a conflict to me.”“

Jesus fucking Christ.

301 lawhawk  Sep 5, 2014 6:37:58am

re: #294 WhatEVs

With the DOJ investigation, it’s possible that a consent agreement would mean that the county police is disbanded and reformed. It might also call on local municipalities to give up their local police forces with the county police being the primary agency, but that’s a far more remote possibility.

The County PD has jurisdiction in some towns by contract. That could be expanded significantly, and it would save the towns costs at the same time, though the local police departments might complain about the consolidation (usually by claiming that the residents will see worse crime rates, though I wonder whether the residents will really complain once they see fewer traffic stops that are designed to generate revenue instead of actual safety).

But it’s going to take a whole lot more than just police reorganizations to fix what’s going on in the STL area. It needs political reforms as well, and a desire to fix what is so totally broken. And I’m not sure that even with the Brown shooting that residents realize just how their area has turned into a nightmare for so many and are resigned to a perpetuation of these injustices.

302 Frenchy  Sep 5, 2014 6:39:01am

re: #293 HappyWarrior

Makes you wonder what these 8 years could’ve been if the GOP was a loyal opposition instead of borderline treasonous and completely batshit fucking insane.

303 Frenchy  Sep 5, 2014 6:40:38am

re: #297 Lidane

She sounds like a really happy person, someone you’d really like to spend time with.

304 HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2014 6:42:09am

re: #297 Lidane

WTF is wrong with these people?

Laurie Higgins: Libraries Need Books About The ‘Joy’ Kids Feel When Their Gay Parents Die

They’re legitimately evil. That’s one of the most sickest things I’ve ever heard by a fundie and yeah it upsets me personally having a gay relative that has children.

305 HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2014 6:42:54am

re: #302 Frenchy

Makes you wonder what these 8 years could’ve been if the GOP was a loyal opposition instead of borderline treasonous and completely batshit fucking insane.

It does make you wonder. I guess we’ll never know sigh. I am not sure who I blame more the GOP politicians or their base.

306 WhatEVs  Sep 5, 2014 6:44:08am

re: #268 Dr Lizardo

Human decency is a tough thing to consider after a couple if beheadings. Replace the UK with the US…do you want these repatriated maybe ex-terrorists living near you and your completely westernized daughter bearing her midriff with a belly ring? (sorry for the fear mongering scenario, I am trying to make a point.)

They may no longer support IS/ISIS/ISIL but what internal beliefs created the desire to go fight with them in the first place? Are those beliefs gone, too? What’s to say they won’t find a less barbaric but equally radical group of like-minded assholes?

307 HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2014 6:44:31am

Where are the books about the joy children feel when their Christian fundamentalist parents die? /// Seriously their homnphobia keeps on getting more and more vile by the day. Really fuck the GOP for enabling these assholes and especially fuck Ronald Reagan for kissing their ass to give them the idea that they were a serious voice who needed to be listened to.

308 WhatEVs  Sep 5, 2014 6:47:05am

re: #283 b.d.

Greenwald retweeting Benghazi! stand down stories this AM. But he is the most progressive of progressives.

At some point the dudebros have to go”Wait. What?” and see the GG light. Right?

309 HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2014 6:47:39am

Oh good fuckin’ grief, old high school classmate posted the blatant fake Columbia U- Barry Soetero photo. Sigh. Sick of this shit. I get it. You don’t like Obama and you know what’s, that’s your right but spreading bullshit lies to fit some pathetic narrative that Obama is this evil outsider out to destroy the US.Damn it, I need a ginger whiskey and it’s only 9:45. And then I got my idiot cousin saying we should nuke Missouri because of the idiot right wing fucks there who want to pass a restrictive abortion measure.

310 WhatEVs  Sep 5, 2014 6:48:21am

re: #288 b.d.

And this has to be spun as horrible news because, well, ya know…

money.cnn.com

That has to be good news for President Romney.

311 Pie-onist Overlord  Sep 5, 2014 6:48:54am

re: #309 HappyWarrior

Oh good fuckin’ grief, old high school classmate posted the blatant fake Columbia U- Barry Soetero photo. Sigh. Sick of this shit. I get it. You don’t like Obama and you know what’s, that’s your right but spreading bullshit lies to fit some pathetic narrative that Obama is this evil outsider out to destroy the US.Damn it, I need a ginger whiskey and it’s only 9:45. And then I got my idiot cousin saying we should nuke Missouri because of the idiot right wing fucks there who want to pass a restrictive abortion measure.

Send him this back:

312 HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2014 6:50:26am

re: #311 Pie-onist Overlord

Send him this back:

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Thanks.

313 ChuckJager95  Sep 5, 2014 6:51:21am

re: #311 Pie-onist Overlord

Poor Thomas Lugert :(

314 HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2014 6:53:54am

re: #313 ChuckJager95

Poor Thomas Lugert :(

I wonder what Mr. Lugert thinks of this if he even knows it at all. Anyhow, you know what sucks most about these kind of things? It’s not the ignorance. It’s that these are people who you grew up with and expect to know better.

315 Pie-onist Overlord  Sep 5, 2014 6:58:33am

re: #314 HappyWarrior

I wonder what Mr. Lugert thinks of this if he even knows it at all. Anyhow, you know what sucks most about these kind of things? It’s not the ignorance. It’s that these are people who you grew up with and expect to know better.

Janie Johnson (SWOTT) retweets this lame meme every single fucking day. I’m pretty sure that she knows it’s been debunked but she doesn’t give a shit.

316 WhatEVs  Sep 5, 2014 6:58:35am

re: #301 lawhawk

Reading that WaPo piece was horrifying. I can’t imagine life like that.

The likelihood the various towns will vote to remove themselves from paying positions, I think, is slim to none. Likewise, which if the revolving attorney-judge-fee creators will support giving up their $1500/hr part-time gigs?

The whole thing makes me wonder how many more states have powder kegs like this just waiting to explode.

317 HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2014 6:59:26am

You know what, we’re going to look back as a country and realize that many of us treated our first African American president like garbage. Treated him as if he was some scum who never did a thing right in his life. We’re going to be looking at Barack Obama long after him, you, and I die and just astonished at the amount of racial ignorance that still continue to be prevalent in this country. I’ll say it here but Reconstruction should have been much harsher on the Southern states and the Northern states should have started to do something the minute the Southern states started Jim Crow laws and other laws that made African Americans second class citizens. This kind of shit is why I will never nod politely to an asshole with the Stars and Bars on his bumper or tatted on his body.

318 lawhawk  Sep 5, 2014 7:00:05am

re: #316 WhatEVs

Quite a few. But the situation seems to be worse in places like the greater STL area.

319 b.d.  Sep 5, 2014 7:01:18am

Snopes is Soros funded. We need to start a ConservaScopesApedia

Claim: Graphic image depicts Ferguson, Missouri police officer Darren Wilson gravely injured following an altercation with shooting victim Mike Brown.

FALSE

Read more at snopes.com

320 Shiplord Kirel  Sep 5, 2014 7:04:18am

Allen West, among other like-mindless hysterics, is promoting the idea that ISIS has infiltrated northern Mexico and is preparing a massive assault across the border.

“High-level federal law enforcement, intelligence and other sources have confirmed to Judicial Watch that a warning bulletin for an imminent terrorist attack on the border has been issued. Agents across a number of Homeland Security, Justice and Defense agencies have all been placed on alert and instructed to aggressively work all possible leads and sources concerning this imminent terrorist threat. Specifically, the government sources reveal that the militant group Islamic State of Iraq and Greater Syria (ISIS) is confirmed to now be operating in Juarez, a famously crime-infested narcotics hotbed situated across from El Paso, Texas.”

Note the Hoft style source, “high level” but unnamed, with no copy of, or specific text from, the alleged warning bulletin itself.

A winger I know on Facebook claims “I was briefed by a senior official from DPS (Texas state police) that they had discovered money from the bank of Oman on some border crossovers. No word on who/where exactly these people are now. However pictures were taken with other Islamist items. The DPS officer spoke on the condition of anonymity.”

“On condition of anonymity.” Of course. And money from the Bank of Oman is an “Islamist item?” Who knew?

Obviously, the Obama administration is going all out to conceal this imminent threat from the sheeple because, well, why the hell would they do that anyway?

321 HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2014 7:07:04am

re: #319 b.d.

Snopes is Soros funded. We need to start a ConservaScopesApedia

You jest but i know for a fact that there are people out there who think Scopes is liberally biased because the couple who run it are “liberal jews.” On that note, awesome how quickly on top of this Scopes is.

322 b.d.  Sep 5, 2014 7:07:53am

re: #320 Shiplord Kirel

Allen West, among other like-mindless hysterics, is promoting the idea that ISIS has infiltrated northern Mexico and is preparing a massive assault across the border.

Note the Hoft style source, “high level” but unnamed, with no copy of, or specific text from, the alleged warning bulletin itself.

A winger I know on Facebook claims “I was briefed by a senior official from DPS (Texas state police) that they had discovered money from the bank of Oman on some border crossovers. No word on who/where exactly these people are now. However pictures were taken with other Islamist items. The DPS officer spoke on the condition of anonymity.”

Of course.

Obviously, the Obama administration is going all out to conceal this imminent threat from the sheeple because, well, why the hell would they do that anyway?

My money is on the Mexican drug lords over a Mexican ISIS. You think that the Mexican drug lords are going to let anything happen on their turf that turns up the heat?

Thank God Obama armed them!

//

323 darthstar  Sep 5, 2014 7:07:57am
324 HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2014 7:08:34am

re: #323 darthstar

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To think I used to respect that fuckwad.

325 Pie-onist Overlord  Sep 5, 2014 7:08:58am

The Intercept is now retweeting Justin Raimondo, insane Anti-Semite.

326 HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2014 7:10:09am

re: #325 Pie-onist Overlord

The Intercept is now retweeting Justin Raimondo, insane Anti-Semite.

Pat Buchanan’s only gay fan. Yeesh.

327 b.d.  Sep 5, 2014 7:11:39am

re: #323 darthstar

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John McCain ✔ @SenJohnMcCain

It’s gratifying to see all these doves turn into hawks!

>Is McCain talking about these guys?

328 darthstar  Sep 5, 2014 7:12:23am

Re: The hacking. Any time you spin up a new test server, you have to set iptables so there are no open ports. We’ve made this same mistake twice in the last year and both times ports got scanned and accessed.

There are so many bots scanning the web for open ports it’s not even funny. This shit will happen. Chances are the hackers didn’t even know what they found.

329 Decatur Deb  Sep 5, 2014 7:12:25am

Ex-governor Mitt Romney feels the need for a strong, Romney-free military.

washingtonpost.com

via Memorandum

330 William Barnett-Lewis  Sep 5, 2014 7:12:38am

re: #309 HappyWarrior

Oh good fuckin’ grief, old high school classmate posted the blatant fake Columbia U- Barry Soetero photo. Sigh. Sick of this shit. I get it. You don’t like Obama and you know what’s, that’s your right but spreading bullshit lies to fit some pathetic narrative that Obama is this evil outsider out to destroy the US.Damn it, I need a ginger whiskey and it’s only 9:45. And then I got my idiot cousin saying we should nuke Missouri because of the idiot right wing fucks there who want to pass a restrictive abortion measure.

I’ll have a beer & a shot for you instead. It’s just as early here but I’ve been working all night… Had to put up all the linemen in town cleaning up after the thunderstorm I mentioned yesterday. Went from 10 rooms filled to a full house in about a half hour O_O

If that numbnuts talking Pieonist wants to creeb about real jobs I’ll show him a real job…

331 HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2014 7:13:33am

McCain I swear every time that man tweets, all I can say is thank you America. Thank you for not electing this war hungry asshole with terrible character judgment and instead electing the guy who actually looks at all implications of the decisions he makes. We got that one right. I’d honestly rather have GW Bush as president than McCain since even Bush didn’t always see more war as the answer and wasn’t a hot-head like McCain is either.

332 WhatEVs  Sep 5, 2014 7:14:01am
333 HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2014 7:14:34am

re: #330 William Barnett-Lewis

I’ll have a beer & a shot for you instead. It’s just as early here but I’ve been working all night… Had to put up all the linemen in town cleaning up after the thunderstorm I mentioned yesterday. Went from 10 rooms filled to a full house in about a half hour O_O

If that numbnuts talking Pieonist wants to creeb about real jobs I’ll show him a real job…

Damn, tough night. I’ll be okay but man just tired of all these ignorant idiots.

334 darthstar  Sep 5, 2014 7:14:39am

re: #327 b.d.

Stolen (as god intended when he built the internet).

335 HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2014 7:15:03am

re: #332 WhatEVs

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That goes to show you that even supposedly normal right of center publications like the Economist are still shit.

336 Ryan King  Sep 5, 2014 7:15:38am

Looks like another round of #benghazibimboeruptions is upon us.

337 HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2014 7:16:23am

It’s times like this that I think someone like McCain is worse than Rand Paul.

338 Lidane  Sep 5, 2014 7:16:49am

re: #320 Shiplord Kirel

Allen West, among other like-mindless hysterics, is promoting the idea that ISIS has infiltrated northern Mexico and is preparing a massive assault across the border.

I know a lot of dumbshits who believe this. Even a few morans who live on the border. They claim to have “credible sources” telling them that it’s not Mexicans or people from Latin America crossing the border, it’s terrorists from [insert Middle Eastern country here] and from ISIS that are coming in to kill us all.

I have to strangle the urge to ask them if their credible source is the inside of their colon.

339 Pie-onist Overlord  Sep 5, 2014 7:16:54am

This is the Stupidest, Most Burning Desk Meme You Will See All Day: (of course it’s still early)

340 darthstar  Sep 5, 2014 7:17:32am

re: #337 HappyWarrior

It’s times like this that I thinkthat prove someone like McCain is worse than Rand Paul.

ftfy

341 Ryan King  Sep 5, 2014 7:17:33am
342 Pie-onist Overlord  Sep 5, 2014 7:18:04am

Ted you suck

343 HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2014 7:18:27am

re: #340 darthstar

I don’t know DS. They both are pretty vile in their own ways. Paul with his retrograde views on civil rights and economics. McCain being the Will Rodgers of war-he’s never met a war he hasn’t liked.

344 Frenchy  Sep 5, 2014 7:19:07am

re: #339 Pie-onist Overlord

All I can do is laugh at this.

345 darthstar  Sep 5, 2014 7:19:18am

He liked weather too.

346 HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2014 7:20:30am

A teenager liked weed. The hell you say.

347 WhatEVs  Sep 5, 2014 7:20:54am

re: #331 HappyWarrior

McCain I swear every time that man tweets, all I can say is thank you America. Thank you for not electing this war hungry asshole with terrible character judgment and instead electing the guy who actually looks at all implications of the decisions he makes. We got that one right. I’d honestly rather have GW Bush as president than McCain since even Bush didn’t always see more war as the answer and wasn’t a hot-head like McCain is either.

I think Bush would have been a different POTUS without Cheney and the entire neocon political force behind him.

Jeb is a complete neocon. If he runs, it’d be like Cheney II.

348 Bulworth  Sep 5, 2014 7:22:18am

re:
#342

A true honor to accept Vision America’s Don Wildmon Award

Hahahhahaah

Wait, is Don Wildmon still alive?

349 darthstar  Sep 5, 2014 7:22:54am

The Economist stepped in it this time.

350 WhatEVs  Sep 5, 2014 7:23:40am

re: #335 HappyWarrior

That goes to show you that even supposedly normal right of center publications like the Economist are still shit.

They were completely eviscerated in the comments. Not one reader supported that outrageous “review”.

351 HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2014 7:24:01am

re: #347 WhatEVs

I think Bush would have been a different POTUS without Cheney and the entire neocon political force behind him.

Jeb is a complete neocon. If he runs, it’d be like Cheney II.

I do tend to agree that Cheney changed the Bush admin’s calculus but OTOH Cheney wasn’t an ultra-hawk until 9/11. It’s funny to look at this statements post Gulf War I versus now.

352 HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2014 7:24:51am

re: #350 WhatEVs

They were completely eviscerated in the comments. Not one reader supported that outrageous “review”.

Good.

353 Ryan King  Sep 5, 2014 7:25:51am

Bootstrappers only respect hard work for low pay if somebody started there and ended up getting rich. If you stay there, then you’re a lazy shit and it’s your fault.

If I owned a fast food franchise I’d want them all to think that.

354 WhatEVs  Sep 5, 2014 7:26:04am

re: #337 HappyWarrior

It’s times like this that I think someone like McCain is worse than Rand Paul.

I think we need to be careful with that. Rand is showing signs of sanity now. But I think he needs longer term review and analysis. I’m seeing a “see, I’m not crazy, vote for me 2016!” thing going in here.

More data is needed. :-)

355 Pie-onist Overlord  Sep 5, 2014 7:26:38am

Please tell me this is a parody.

356 William Barnett-Lewis  Sep 5, 2014 7:27:02am

re: #335 HappyWarrior

That goes to show you that even supposedly normal right of center publications like the Economist are still shit.

Ah, I don’t know. I’ve read them for years and never seen anything like this before. It’s not like National Review where half the staff are full bore racists. Combine that with not one of their readers supporting the piece and I think you have a monumental FUBAR rather than evidence of ill-intent.

As the saying goes, once is happenstance, twice co-incidence and three times is enemy action. This is once for the Economist while the NR is way past three times and counting.

357 HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2014 7:27:02am

re: #354 WhatEVs

I think we need to be careful with that. Rand is showing signs of sanity now. But I think he needs longer term review and analysis. I’m seeing a “see, I’m not crazy, vote for me 2016!” thing going in here.

More data is needed. :-)

I guess but Rand has never been the Will Rodgers of war. OTOH he’s also the guy who has said on record he would have voted against the CRA of ‘64 so that’s equally shitty.

358 lawhawk  Sep 5, 2014 7:27:05am

If it’s a day ending in Y, it must be time for a Outrageous Outrage from Hoft:

Like clockwork.

359 HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2014 7:27:54am

re: #356 William Barnett-Lewis

Ah, I don’t know. I’ve read them for years and never seen anything like this before. It’s not like National Review where half the staff are full bore racists. Combine that with not one of their readers supporting the piece and I think you have a monumental FUBAR rather than evidence of ill-intent.

As the saying goes, once is happenstance, twice co-incidence and three times is enemy action. This is once for the Economist while the NR is way past three times and counting.

Yeah true point. And yeah NR is way worse than the Economist for sure.

360 Lidane  Sep 5, 2014 7:28:37am

re: #354 WhatEVs

Rand Paul is subject to the five minute rule. If you only listen to him in soundbite form, or for less than five minutes, he sounds sane. Once he gets to 5:01, the mask drops and you realize he’s a raving neo-Confederate lunatic like his father.

361 Bulworth  Sep 5, 2014 7:29:27am

re:
#358

Well I’m sure a rancher would know all about the cartels and who’s in them and he’d have all the info and stuff.

///

362 Ryan King  Sep 5, 2014 7:29:38am

‘I don’t think you’re motivated to move up. Everybody else is working six 12’s without OT to help The Company and you only want to work five 8’s and demand overtime? Your work ethic sucks and I don’t think you’re really committed to helping this business survive, you’re only in this for yourself.’

(goes on to admire owner for making business deals on golf course)

363 HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2014 7:29:52am

Just so it’s clear that wasn’t an endorsement of Rand Paul. More so that McCain is proof in the pudding that the GOP establishment/old guard is just as shitty as the new guard that Paul is part of.

364 rhuarc  Sep 5, 2014 7:31:02am

After reading Balko’s piece in the WAPO, my wish is that the federal government comes in to the county where they then disband every police force, every city council, and start over. Just a pile of racism and corruption every where.

I doubt that is feasible in the real world, but geez that article was infuriating. Makes me never want to go there.

365 makeitstop  Sep 5, 2014 7:35:35am

re: #338 Lidane

I know a lot of dumbshits who believe this. Even a few morans who live on the border. They claim to have “credible sources” telling them that it’s not Mexicans or people from Latin America crossing the border, it’s terrorists from [insert Middle Eastern country here] and from ISIS that are coming in to kill us all.

I have to strangle the urge to ask them if their credible source is the inside of their colon.

All of these stories - ISIS in Mexico, the 11 missing airliners, Ebola-carrying kids sneaking across the border, and 3 or 4 others that slip my mind right now - have got a lot of people right on the verge of panic, and it’s being purposely done by our Useless US media so they can cash in with page views and TV viewers.

The only upside is that they’re showing me whom among my Facebook friends is the most likely to fall for a lie, and many of them are people who I never would have expected to be so damn gullible.

But all this nervous energy has to go somewhere. You can’t keep winding people up into a state of panic and not expect the pressure to burst…somewhere.

366 WhatEVs  Sep 5, 2014 7:36:53am

re: #351 HappyWarrior

I do tend to agree that Cheney changed the Bush admin’s calculus but OTOH Cheney wasn’t an ultra-hawk until 9/11. It’s funny to look at this statements post Gulf War I versus now.

I disagree. They wanted to invade Iraq in the 90s and sent Clinton a memo as to why; signed by all PNACers - the same crowd that wound up in the Bush administration.

PNAC wanted the American empire to take over the world by any means (“education” or force).

I think Kristal’s website is still out there. Project For A New American Century (IIRC).

367 Teukka  Sep 5, 2014 7:36:59am

Comic Relief — Right Wing Derp, Swedish style:


Sweden Democrat quits over swastika photos
Photo: Courtesy expo.se and thelocal.se

Yes, the “photoshop” excuse was tried.

368 lawhawk  Sep 5, 2014 7:37:08am

re: #355 Pie-onist Overlord

Not a parody.

They conflate getting paid for sick days with accruing all those unused sick days and getting paid for them when retiring as some kind of fiscal disaster for the state.

Ignored in all this is that governors in NJ since Whitman have used the pension fund as a piggy bank and not paid into the fund as they were required to, leaving an ever larger gap. Even after Christie reformed the pension system, he turned around and refused to fund as per his promise from earlier in the year because he needed to close the budget gap because he oversold state growth and revenue estimates in putting together the budget.

NJ, especially southern NJ is going to be hit hard when the figures come in after the closure of the NJ casinos in Atlantic City and the direct loss of 8,000 jobs at those casinos. The spillover effect to other jobs will be huge - a multiplier effect, meaning even lower revenues from personal income tax as the state hemmorages jobs and people rely on UI to make it until they can somehow find another job (which may well be in another state if they want to stay in the casino industry).

Northern NJ is more stable, particularly with reliance on jobs in NYC proper. But the fiscal issues are a statewide mess that grows out of high property taxes, duplication of services (like in STL, there are municipalities that ought to consolidate services or share services like police with neighboring towns, etc.) In Bergen County, the fight is to consolidate the sheriff’s office with the county police - and they’ve got heavy hitters on both sides as to which would be the successor agency. Each has heavy armored vehicles, and they tabled the MRAP delivery pending a further review, but the consolidation would save the county millions over time.

Christie refuses to raise the motor fuel taxes, even though that would fully fund the transportation trust fund to let them do major infrastructure projects without treating the Port Authority as a piggybank (and for which the PANY are being investigated for securities fraud issues that may again lead back to Christie). Investment in infrastructure means jobs, improved services, and more reliable commerce. But Christie and other GOPers see it as a waste to be cut to the bone - especially mass transit.

369 HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2014 7:37:54am

re: #366 WhatEVs

I disagree. They wanted to invade Iraq in the 90s and sent Clinton a memo as to why; signed by all PNACers - the same crowd that wound up in the Bush administration.

PNAC wanted the American empire to take over the world by any means (“education” or force).

I think Kristal’s website is still out there. Project For A New American Century (IIRC).

Oh, right good point.

370 b.d.  Sep 5, 2014 7:38:21am

re: #338 Lidane

I know a lot of dumbshits who believe this. Even a few morans who live on the border. They claim to have “credible sources” telling them that it’s not Mexicans or people from Latin America crossing the border, it’s terrorists from [insert Middle Eastern country here] and from ISIS that are coming in to kill us all.

I have to strangle the urge to ask them if their credible source is the inside of their colon.

ISIS HAS AMASSED 11 EBOLA FILLED, STOLEN COMMERCIAL JET LINERS AT THE EL PASO BORDER AND THEY ARE ALSO PLANNING ON PUTTING RAZOR BLADES INTO APPLES GIVEN OUT FOR TRICK OR TREAT

371 HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2014 7:38:28am

re: #367 Teukka

Comic Relief — Right Wing Derp, Swedish style:

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Sweden Democrat quits over swastika photos
Photo: Courtesy expo.se and thelocal.se

Yes, the “photoshop” excuse was tried.

Watch dumb American wingnuts try to claim that because of their name, the SD are like Democrats.

372 HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2014 7:39:29am

Well I will say one nice thing about our wingnuts, they’re not Nazi apologists. I guess that’s a silver lining. OTOH they are ignorant as hell about what made the Nazis so evil.

373 Teukka  Sep 5, 2014 7:39:30am

re: #371 HappyWarrior

Watch dumb American wingnuts try to claim that because of their name, the SD are like Democrats.

Alas, already experienced that.

*smh*

374 HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2014 7:39:58am

re: #373 Teukka

Alas, already experienced that.

*smh*

Not shocked in the slightest.

375 Bulworth  Sep 5, 2014 7:40:22am

re:
#349

Yeah it was a very strange review in addition to the bizarre closing paragraph.

The reviewer complained that the book author ignored things like Individualism and Work Ethic is explaining economic growth in the 19th century and in support of this criticism the reviewer cited….how much cotton production grew and how wealthy the South was before the Civil War.

Um, hello….

376 Teukka  Sep 5, 2014 7:41:06am

re: #372 HappyWarrior

Well I will say one nice thing about our wingnuts, they’re not Nazi apologists. I guess that’s a silver lining. OTOH they are ignorant as hell about what made the Nazis so evil.

Well, your wingnuts merely changed “jew” (and some other old scapegoats) to some other group, a lot of the base ideology is painfully similar.

377 HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2014 7:41:16am

re: #375 Bulworth

re:
#349

Yeah it was a very strange review in addition to the bizarre closing paragraph.

The reviewer complained that the book author ignored things like Individualism and Work Ethic is explaining economic growth in the 19th century and in support of this criticism the reviewer cited….how much cotton production grew and how wealthy the South was before the Civil War.

Um, hello….

Yeah slave economy much.

378 WhatEVs  Sep 5, 2014 7:42:10am

re: #356 William Barnett-Lewis

Ah, I don’t know. I’ve read them for years and never seen anything like this before. It’s not like National Review where half the staff are full bore racists. Combine that with not one of their readers supporting the piece and I think you have a monumental FUBAR rather than evidence of ill-intent.

As the saying goes, once is happenstance, twice co-incidence and three times is enemy action. This is once for the Economist while the NR is way past three times and counting.

Maybe coincidence…maybe flying under the radar (or less than blatant in tone).

379 HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2014 7:42:33am

re: #376 Teukka

Well, your wingnuts merely changed “jew” (and some other old scapegoats) to some other group, a lot of the base ideology is painfully similar.

Oh I know. Believe me, my college term paper was on Russian pogroms and the Anti-Semitic rhetoric and language used then was eerily reminiscent of what we see today with Muslims and other groups. And frankly, our wingnuts are Anti-Semitic just not in the Heil Hitler sort of way.

380 Pie-onist Overlord  Sep 5, 2014 7:42:46am

re: #375 Bulworth

re:
#349

Yeah it was a very strange review in addition to the bizarre closing paragraph.

The reviewer complained that the book author ignored things like Individualism and Work Ethic is explaining economic growth in the 19th century and in support of this criticism the reviewer cited….how much cotton production grew and how wealthy the South was before the Civil War.

Um, hello….

HURR HURR TEH O’HARA’S WER IRISH IMMIGRANTS!!!!! BOOTSTRAPS!!!! THEY BUILT TARA!!!!!!!

381 Charles Johnson  Sep 5, 2014 7:44:18am
382 sattv4u2  Sep 5, 2014 7:44:23am

One more 12-14 hour overnight shift, then off to the beach for a week of rest, golf, fresh seafood, fun and sun!!

383 WhatEVs  Sep 5, 2014 7:47:05am

re: #371 HappyWarrior

Watch dumb American wingnuts try to claim that because of their name, the SD are like Democrats.

That was my first thought, too.

384 WhatEVs  Sep 5, 2014 7:48:36am

re: #382 sattv4u2

One more 12-14 hour overnight shift, then off to the beach for a week of rest, golf, fresh seafood, fun and sun!!

Nice. Enjoy!

385 b.d.  Sep 5, 2014 7:49:34am

re: #381 Charles Johnson

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Congratulations and that is a good weekly series but this HAS to be true

P. Diddy’s pineapple vodka did not test positive for cocaine.

386 sattv4u2  Sep 5, 2014 7:49:41am

re: #384 WhatEVs

Nice. Enjoy!

Thanks. Haven’t had any time off (aside from scheduled days ,,, and even then i’m on call) since last November

387 De Kolta Chair  Sep 5, 2014 7:50:20am

re: #367 Teukka

Comic Relief — Right Wing Derp, Swedish style:

Who does he think he is, Prince Harry?

388 Bulworth  Sep 5, 2014 7:50:46am

re:
#381

Nice.

Also glad they specifically called out Larry Elder for promoting the fake pic. Not that Elder or any other RWNJ cares. Being on wingnut welfare means never having to be accountable.

389 A Mom Anon  Sep 5, 2014 7:50:54am

re: #334 darthstar

You sir win One Internet with a side of fries. I’d throw that shit at him every time he whines about ISIS. Asshole. You’d think a veteran POW would be a little more cautious about who he associates with and how much war he wants to promote.

390 Pie-onist Overlord  Sep 5, 2014 7:53:14am

WORST. COMMUNIST. EVER.

391 HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2014 7:53:58am

re: #387 De Kolta Chair

Who does he think he is, Prince Harry?

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That was in pretty stupid taste on his part given his great uncle’s alleged Axis sympathies but then again I am always amazed how much publicity they get..

392 WhatEVs  Sep 5, 2014 7:54:10am

Love this one.

393 HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2014 7:54:15am

re: #390 Pie-onist Overlord

WORST. COMMUNIST. EVER.

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So conservatives should love him.

394 Teukka  Sep 5, 2014 7:55:05am

re: #383 WhatEVs

That was my first thought, too.

When in reality, the political organization in the US which is closest politically to the Sweden Democrats is …

*drumroll*

The Tea Party. Yes. Really.

395 Teukka  Sep 5, 2014 7:55:42am

re: #387 De Kolta Chair

Who does he think he is, Prince Harry?

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She.

396 De Kolta Chair  Sep 5, 2014 7:55:53am

re: #393 HappyWarrior

So conservatives should love him.

Exactly. Must be an election year. Or they’re desperate for clicks. Or drunk. Or all three.

397 HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2014 7:57:42am

re: #394 Teukka

When in reality, the political organization in the US which is closest politically to the Sweden Democrats is …

*drumroll*

The Tea Party. Yes. Really.

Yeah, I’ve read about the SDs. Speaking of Swedes though, I met a couple in my travels recently. Nice people.

398 De Kolta Chair  Sep 5, 2014 8:00:18am

re: #358 lawhawk

If it’s a day ending in Y, it must be time for a Outrageous Outrage from Hoft:

Jim Hoft @gatewaypundit
TX Border Rancher: Cartels Are Taking Over Open US Border - Politicians Are Lying (Video)

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Like clockwork.

If he means ranching cartels, he’s right, though that was old news a hundred years ago.

399 Timothy Watson  Sep 5, 2014 8:00:29am

re: #380 Pie-onist Overlord

HURR HURR TEH O’HARA’S WER IRISH IMMIGRANTS!!!!! BOOTSTRAPS!!!! THEY BUILT TARA!!!!!!!

A lot of the Southern planters were immigrants, just not the Catholic kind. The funny thing is that even through they were relatively recent immigrants they would always try to claim ancestry back to the First Families of Virginia.

400 Teukka  Sep 5, 2014 8:01:55am

re: #397 HappyWarrior

Yeah, I’ve read about the SDs. Speaking of Swedes though, I met a couple in my travels recently. Nice people.

Have you read about ND (National Democrats) and SvP (Swede’s Party)? They’re even further to the right. And then we have SMR (Swedish Resistance Movement). Don’t get me started on them.

401 Pie-onist Overlord  Sep 5, 2014 8:02:04am

STUPIDEST MEME OF THE DAY supercedes previous Stupidest Meme Of The Day:

402 b.d.  Sep 5, 2014 8:02:52am

re: #401 Pie-onist Overlord

STUPIDEST MEME OF THE DAY supercedes previous Stupidest Meme Of The Day:

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Ow, that made my head hurt.

403 HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2014 8:02:53am

re: #400 Teukka

Have you read about ND (National Democrats) and SvP (Swede’s Party)? They’re even further to the right. And then we have SMR (Swedish Resistance Movement). Don’t get me started on them.

Nah but I will. I have a weird interest in reading about far left/right movements.

404 Timothy Watson  Sep 5, 2014 8:03:05am

re: #401 Pie-onist Overlord

STUPIDEST MEME OF THE DAY supercedes previous Stupidest Meme Of The Day:

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I would really like to deploy a nuclear weapon against that Austrian School horseshit.

405 Pie-onist Overlord  Sep 5, 2014 8:03:47am

HURR HURR WHAT HAS GOVERNMENT EVER DONE FOR US!!!!

406 Decatur Deb  Sep 5, 2014 8:04:37am

re: #401 Pie-onist Overlord

STUPIDEST MEME OF THE DAY supercedes previous Stupidest Meme Of The Day:

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A whole bunch of the Randians are genuinely convinced that taxes are theft/slavery. It’s pretty much the driving idea for the ‘2x minimum wage’ RWNJs.

407 Mike Lamb  Sep 5, 2014 8:06:23am

It’d be nice if we could see Darren Wilson’s social media accounts. Oh? What’s that you say? FPD gave him a head start so he could sanitize everything? Well then…

408 Bulworth  Sep 5, 2014 8:06:34am

re:
#405

“Big government eventually freed the slaves.”

“Ok, but besides that.”

“They also ended child labor, gave us the eight-hour day and the weekend.”

“OK, but besides that.”

“Well, they did create Social Security and Medicare.”

“Yeah, but besides that.”

“They also increased access to college through loans and Pell grants.”

“OK, but besides that.”

410 Pie-onist Overlord  Sep 5, 2014 8:07:04am

I am seeing this lame shit over and over and over.
Momentum hasn’t installed even one burger robot anywhere in the world since their grand rollout two years ago. They haven’t even updated their web site.
HURR HURR THAT DAY IS COMING LIBTARDS ANY DAY NOW
Before or after Obama takes away your guns?

411 Pie-onist Overlord  Sep 5, 2014 8:08:11am

It’s simply not cost effective to replace low-wage human beings with expensive machinery.

412 Bulworth  Sep 5, 2014 8:08:12am

re:
#407

Yeah but Darren Wilson’s social media accounts wouldn’t tell us anything about 18-yr old Michael Brown’s lifelong criminal exploits or his step-father’s gang connections or about Wilson’s blown eye socket. These are the really important things here.

///

413 Bulworth  Sep 5, 2014 8:09:14am

re:
#410

Seeing the RWNJ hate for workers is just really special to behold.

414 De Kolta Chair  Sep 5, 2014 8:09:29am

re: #401 Pie-onist Overlord

STUPIDEST MEME OF THE DAY supercedes previous Stupidest Meme Of The Day:

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Is that Libertarianism or Surrealism, or is there any difference?

415 William Barnett-Lewis  Sep 5, 2014 8:10:25am

re: #411 Pie-onist Overlord

It’s simply not cost effective to replace low-wage human beings with expensive machinery.

Expensive and high maintenance (with even higher priced mechanics) machinery at that. Silly Wingnut. Your mommy’s calling you to come upstairs for your Kraft Dinner…

416 Timothy Watson  Sep 5, 2014 8:10:48am

re: #410 Pie-onist Overlord

I am seeing this lame shit over and over and over.
Momentum hasn’t installed even one burger robot anywhere in the world since their grand rollout two years ago. They haven’t even updated their web site.
HURR HURR THAT DAY IS COMING LIBTARDS ANY DAY NOW
Before or after Obama takes away your guns?

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One of those fuckwits called into WTOP (a news radio station) repeating that same stupid meme.

417 Decatur Deb  Sep 5, 2014 8:11:16am

re: #411 Pie-onist Overlord

It’s simply not cost effective to replace low-wage human beings with expensive machinery.

Especially if you can get the government to pay half of their subsistence costs.

418 Bulworth  Sep 5, 2014 8:12:00am

re:
#1

The same federal government that wants to centralize and computerize healthcare

I would really hate for healthcare or anything to end up computerized. What do we really know about computers, anyway? Have they been vetted properly?

Excuse me while I check my Twitter timeline and Facebook newsfeed, do my online banking and browse amazon.com.

/

419 RealityBasedSteve  Sep 5, 2014 8:12:15am

Sitting at drivers license office. Looks like my papers are in order, probably about an hour to wait. Hell is any government waiting room.

RBS

420 b.d.  Sep 5, 2014 8:12:34am

Dear WIngnuts.

Robots cannot replace humans. You would think you would have learned that after nominating Mitt Romney.

421 Pie-onist Overlord  Sep 5, 2014 8:13:14am

re: #420 b.d.

Dear WIngnuts.

Robots cannot replace humans. You would think you would have learned that after nominating Mitt Romney.

Hah. So stealing that.

422 Decatur Deb  Sep 5, 2014 8:13:40am

Looking for a robot that will pay eight bucks for a Big Mac and Coke.

423 Bulworth  Sep 5, 2014 8:14:29am

re:
#410

Really curious who the genius is at Koch Industries responsible for injecting this meme into the TCOT blood veins.

424 Lidane  Sep 5, 2014 8:14:31am

Barber And Staver Warn That Gay Marriage Will Make Straight Couples Less Monogamous

Citing quotes from gay writers like Andrew Sullivan and Dan Savage, Barber and Staver argued that gay male couples are more likely to have open relationships, which they then used to bizarrely assert that letting gays get married would ultimately undermine the practice of monogamy within straight marriages.

“You start doing that in a marriage relationship with a man and a woman,” Staver said, “and the woman’s just not going to do it.”

“We know that women serve to domesticate men,” Barber added. “That’s not an opinion, that’s the social science that shows that women ultimately bring men into their role as father, as provider, and protector for the household and they domesticate men and that lends itself toward monogamy.”

425 Pie-onist Overlord  Sep 5, 2014 8:15:56am

re: #422 Decatur Deb

Looking for a robot that will pay eight bucks for a Big Mac and Coke.

Momentum Machines does not want to sell their machines, they want to lease them out and include a maintenance contract for service in the lease agreement. That there should cost more than a whole kitchen staff.

426 De Kolta Chair  Sep 5, 2014 8:17:25am

Looks like there is a Gawd after all, and She has finally answered my prayers. All hail Minerva!

Release date November 4

427 HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2014 8:19:08am

re: #424 Lidane

Barber And Staver Warn That Gay Marriage Will Make Straight Couples Less Monogamous

Explains why monogamy has plumetted since Canada has had SSM. Oh wait. Really, you guys are losing. Just give it up already and admit that you just can’t handle the fact that gay people will have the same rights as you do in marriage. That’s all this is Barber and Stayer. It’s not “religious beliefs”, it’s your own intolerance and fear.

428 William Barnett-Lewis  Sep 5, 2014 8:20:07am

re: #426 De Kolta Chair

Looks like there is a Gawd after all, and She has finally answered my prayers. All hail Minerva!

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Release date November 4

Does it include translations for those of us unlettered in “Nasal”? /////

429 Ace-o-aces  Sep 5, 2014 8:20:38am
430 lawhawk  Sep 5, 2014 8:20:42am

re: #415 William Barnett-Lewis

Which is more expensive? A grill station where a cook, or handful of cooks working full time can turn out hundreds of meals, or a technological terror that still requires human intervention to provide all the ingredients, handle issues, etc., and which could break down rendering the store inoperable. It’s far more difficult for a grill station to break down - there’d need to be a gas outage for gas-fired grills, or the power to go out on electric griddles.

Say you’re talking about $10,000 for the grill station. Plus the worker costs (which you’d still need for the workers to feed ingredients into the machine). As compared with the “burger flipper machine” that will likely cost a couple hundred thousand dollars (or a whole lot more).

Kiosks might conceivably replace the cashier, but you’d still need people to provide the meal to the customer, so you’re not eliminating all these jobs no matter what they claim.

And you’d need even higher paying jobs to service the equipment when it inevitably breaks down.

So, your break-even costs, once figuring in the depreciation of the equipment plus wages, and you’d still be ahead if you hired human workers at the $15 wage rate compared to the machine. This is why chains haven’t shifted away from the human factor - it doesn’t make fiscal sense, and the franchisees don’t want to take on that additional up-front cost either.

Where a burger (or other product) machine dispenser might make sense is in a low-volume setting or in a kiosk setting like in an airport - as a gimmick.

Japan is a hotbed for these kiosks, but they haven’t replaced restaurants and the human workers, so there’s that as well.

431 Decatur Deb  Sep 5, 2014 8:20:46am

re: #428 William Barnett-Lewis

Does it include translations for those of us unlettered in “Nasal”? /////

“Get out of the limo, Ochs.”

432 Bulworth  Sep 5, 2014 8:20:57am

re:
#424

“We know that women serve to domesticate men,” Barber added. “That’s not an opinion, that’s the social science that shows

Please, wingnuts, don’t use big words you don’t understand.

433 Lidane  Sep 5, 2014 8:22:56am

Yep. This is totally rational:

Trent Franks: Nuclear Terrorist Attack Will Hit US Because Obama Went Golfing

434 De Kolta Chair  Sep 5, 2014 8:23:05am

re: #428 William Barnett-Lewis

Does it include translations for those of us unlettered in “Nasal”? /////

Yes, and it’s in the original Turkish!

435 Pie-onist Overlord  Sep 5, 2014 8:23:12am

re: #430 lawhawk

Which is more expensive? A grill station where a cook, or handful of cooks working full time can turn out hundreds of meals, or a technological terror that still requires human intervention to provide all the ingredients, handle issues, etc., and which could break down rendering the store inoperable. It’s far more difficult for a grill station to break down - there’d need to be a gas outage for gas-fired grills, or the power to go out on electric griddles.

Say you’re talking about $10,000 for the grill station. Plus the worker costs (which you’d still need for the workers to feed ingredients into the machine). As compared with the “burger flipper machine” that will likely cost a couple hundred thousand dollars (or a whole lot more).

Kiosks might conceivably replace the cashier, but you’d still need people to provide the meal to the customer, so you’re not eliminating all these jobs no matter what they claim.

And you’d need even higher paying jobs to service the equipment when it inevitably breaks down.

So, your break-even costs, once figuring in the depreciation of the equipment plus wages, and you’d still be ahead if you hired human workers at the $15 wage rate compared to the machine. This is why chains haven’t shifted away from the human factor - it doesn’t make fiscal sense, and the franchisees don’t want to take on that additional up-front cost either.

Where a burger (or other product) machine dispenser might make sense is in a low-volume setting or in a kiosk setting like in an airport - as a gimmick.

Japan is a hotbed for these kiosks, but they haven’t replaced restaurants and the human workers, so there’s that as well.

The fact that Momentum, 2 years after rolling out its product to much fanfare, hasn’t installed a single unit anywhere on the planet (even in China where they don’t have those pesky food safety regulations) or updated its website since 2012, should tell you something.

436 HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2014 8:24:01am

re: #433 Lidane

Yep. This is totally rational:

Trent Franks: Nuclear Terrorist Attack Will Hit US Because Obama Went Golfing

Oh Trent just shut up.

437 Decatur Deb  Sep 5, 2014 8:26:15am

re: #430 lawhawk

Which is more expensive? A grill station where a cook, or handful of cooks working full time can turn out hundreds of meals, or a technological terror that still requires human intervention to provide all the ingredients, handle issues, etc., and which could break down rendering the store inoperable. It’s far more difficult for a grill station to break down - there’d need to be a gas outage for gas-fired grills, or the power to go out on electric griddles.

Say you’re talking about $10,000 for the grill station. Plus the worker costs (which you’d still need for the workers to feed ingredients into the machine). As compared with the “burger flipper machine” that will likely cost a couple hundred thousand dollars (or a whole lot more).

Kiosks might conceivably replace the cashier, but you’d still need people to provide the meal to the customer, so you’re not eliminating all these jobs no matter what they claim.

And you’d need even higher paying jobs to service the equipment when it inevitably breaks down.

So, your break-even costs, once figuring in the depreciation of the equipment plus wages, and you’d still be ahead if you hired human workers at the $15 wage rate compared to the machine. This is why chains haven’t shifted away from the human factor - it doesn’t make fiscal sense, and the franchisees don’t want to take on that additional up-front cost either.

Where a burger (or other product) machine dispenser might make sense is in a low-volume setting or in a kiosk setting like in an airport - as a gimmick.

Japan is a hotbed for these kiosks, but they haven’t replaced restaurants and the human workers, so there’s that as well.

Fast food empires and Walmarts depend on the existence of lots of people with minimal, often subsidized, incomes. Robots aren’t spending there, people with options aren’t going to keep them floating.

438 Jayleia  Sep 5, 2014 8:26:47am
439 blueraven  Sep 5, 2014 8:26:49am

President Obama to speak from Wales - 11:30 ET

440 bubba zanetti  Sep 5, 2014 8:27:23am

re: #435 Pie-onist Overlord

The fact that Momentum, 2 years after rolling out its product to much fanfare, hasn’t installed a single unit anywhere on the planet (even in China where they don’t have those pesky food safety regulations) or updated its website since 2012, should tell you something.

You want automation in situations where you can run the machine unattended 24/7. It’s hard to justify an expensive machine that is going to sit idle for 1/3 of the time.

441 HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2014 8:28:30am

re: #438 Jayleia

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Yep. Damned good point.

442 Decatur Deb  Sep 5, 2014 8:28:39am

re: #439 blueraven

President Obama to speak from Wales - 11:30 ET

The Lord has delivered a Jonah-like judgement on the anti-christ.

443 Timothy Watson  Sep 5, 2014 8:29:11am

re: #430 lawhawk

So, your break-even costs, once figuring in the depreciation of the equipment plus wages, and you’d still be ahead if you hired human workers at the $15 wage rate compared to the machine. This is why chains haven’t shifted away from the human factor - it doesn’t make fiscal sense, and the franchisees don’t want to take on that additional up-front cost either.

That’s what I keep coming back to: McDonald’s and every other burger joint is obsessed with efficiency and optimization, if these machines were so cost-effective and such a great idea, why hasn’t McDonald’s started using them years ago?

444 HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2014 8:30:01am

Their opp to raising the minimum wage is rooted in only one thing. Contempt.

445 Dr Lizardo  Sep 5, 2014 8:31:29am

re: #280 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

Gotta go to Prague one day… Maybe next year :)

Prague is beautiful. But if you’re in the neck of the woods, go to Cesky Krumlov as well. It’s in the south of the Czech Republic.

A view of “downtown” Cesky Krumlov

446 Decatur Deb  Sep 5, 2014 8:31:42am

re: #444 HappyWarrior

Their opp to raising the minimum wage is rooted in only one thing. Contempt.

We’re hardly talking about raising the wage. The numbers and timelines tossed around barely restore it to the levels inflation has consumed.

447 Franklin  Sep 5, 2014 8:32:08am

Plus, the machine can’t double duty to clean the seating area, bathroom, stock, etc.

448 Pie-onist Overlord  Sep 5, 2014 8:33:09am
449 Franklin  Sep 5, 2014 8:34:01am

Let the LOL’s commence…

450 Lidane  Sep 5, 2014 8:35:45am

Oh hey. It looks like The Economist withdrew that stupid book review.

451 Ace-o-aces  Sep 5, 2014 8:37:04am
452 HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2014 8:37:41am

re: #451 Ace-o-aces

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Ding.

453 lawhawk  Sep 5, 2014 8:37:53am

re: #446 Decatur Deb

We’re hardly talking about raising the wage. The numbers and timelines tossed around barely restore it to the levels inflation has consumed.

Indeed.

Had the minimum wage kept up with inflation, the minimum wage would already be in the $13-15 range.

It’s like focusing on the scraps from Longshanks’ table. We need to refocus attention on fact that if we raise the minimum wage, and peg it to COLA on an annual basis, you’ll see fewer people relying on other government services, because they’ll be getting paid living wages, and they’ll be spending more, which in turn grows the economy. So, while some corporate profits wont be as high as before (factoring in the wage costs only), that’ll be offset by higher profits resulting from more sales - as people have more money to spend.

Shareholders might therefore see a net benefit - as companies like Costco proves on an annual basis - on a long term basis, even if there’s a short term reduction in profits due to the wage hikes to reconform to historical minimum wages paid before there was this huge disconnect due to refusal by the GOP to hike minimum wages.

454 Ace-o-aces  Sep 5, 2014 8:38:12am

re: #450 Lidane

Oh hey. It looks like The Economist withdrew that stupid book review.

Yeah, I sure the author is very happy that Economist articles are all anonymous.

455 Pie-onist Overlord  Sep 5, 2014 8:39:17am

Is this a parody account?

456 lawhawk  Sep 5, 2014 8:40:08am

re: #451 Ace-o-aces

Banks are hiring fewer tellers though, now that the banks have shifted banking onto the customer - remote apps that let you deposit checks and do other banking remotely or online rather than even needing ATM that needs a footprint (though ATMs and/or tellers are needed to get cash). The banks can downside their real estate holdings, and maximize shareholder value all at the same time.

457 HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2014 8:43:28am

re: #455 Pie-onist Overlord

Is this a parody account?

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I woke up in the Gilded Age didn’t I?

458 WhatEVs  Sep 5, 2014 8:43:55am

From @mattrindge

459 Jayleia  Sep 5, 2014 8:44:25am

re: #455 Pie-onist Overlord

I’d have to say parody. But given how hard they are to parody, there’s a 27% chance its real.

460 b.d.  Sep 5, 2014 8:44:58am

THERE GOES OBAMA CODDLING TERRERISTS AGAIN

461 Decatur Deb  Sep 5, 2014 8:46:00am

re: #455 Pie-onist Overlord

Is this a parody account?

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If he’s quoting the BBC Top Gear guy, he’s just an upper-class twit who makes his shtick spouting outrageous Oxbridge crap. Pretty much a self-parody.

462 blueraven  Sep 5, 2014 8:47:33am

Oh look…Mary Burke is now leading Scott Walker in the RCP average.

realclearpolitics.com

463 WhatEVs  Sep 5, 2014 8:47:41am

re: #438 Jayleia

I hadn’t even thought of self-checkouts. I don’t mind them but hubby despises them and would walk out of a store that solely used them.

Not to mention the constant need for attention…those things never work right for an entire checkout.

Yeah, I’d totally eat something made from that kind of machine. //

464 De Kolta Chair  Sep 5, 2014 8:48:19am

The danger of robotic burger slingers crossing our borders illegally has never been greater.

465 Lidane  Sep 5, 2014 8:49:28am

Erick, Son of Erick is bleating again:

“The minimum wage is mostly people who failed at life and high school kids,” Erickson said. “Seriously, look. I don’t mean to be ugly with you people. … If you’re a 30-something-year-old person and you’re making minimum wage you probably failed at life.”

Erickson dismissed the idea that some of those people may have just been down on their luck. “It is not that life dealt you a bad hand,” he said. “Life does not deal you cards. It’s that you failed at life.”

466 sagehen  Sep 5, 2014 8:50:23am

Press conference about to start at the NATO event.

467 Pie-onist Overlord  Sep 5, 2014 8:50:26am

re: #465 Lidane

Erick, Son of Erick is bleating again:

He wants to be Pat Robertson when he grows up.

468 Decatur Deb  Sep 5, 2014 8:50:27am

It would be amazing how many problems would go away if we had a 30-hour workweek, with OT above that.

469 b.d.  Sep 5, 2014 8:51:24am
Ahmed Abdi Godane — the leader of al Shabab, the Islamic militant organization behind the siege on a mall in Kenya last year — was killed in a U.S. military strike earlier this week, an al Shabab source told NBC News on Friday.

nbcnews.com

The al Shabab source told NBC News that Godane was among 11 militants killed. Also killed were an operations leader, a financial official and a military strategist for the organization, the source said.

“It’s a big win,” the U.S. security official said. “He was operationally savvy and ideologically driven, with aspirations off the charts.” The official said that nine Hellfire missiles and one 500-pound guided bomb had been used in the strike.

470 Ace-o-aces  Sep 5, 2014 8:51:39am
471 De Kolta Chair  Sep 5, 2014 8:53:01am

re: #395 Teukka

She.

Ursula Andress?

472 William Barnett-Lewis  Sep 5, 2014 8:53:22am

re: #462 blueraven

Oh look…Mary Burke is now leading Scott Walker in the RCP average.

realclearpolitics.com

I pray that Scooter knows what unemployment is, even if for only for a few hours from November 4, 2014 till wingnut welfare kicks in later on November 5. It would be … pleasant… to imagine him having even a couple of hours of worry like he has caused so many thousands of Wisconsin’s finest to suffer.

473 Decatur Deb  Sep 5, 2014 8:53:29am

re: #469 b.d.

nbcnews.com

Precision-guided Karma.

474 Franklin  Sep 5, 2014 8:53:49am

re: #465 Lidane

Erick, Son of Erick is bleating again:

“The minimum wage is mostly people who failed at life and high school kids,” Erickson said. “Seriously, look. I don’t mean to be ugly with you people. … If you’re a 30-something-year-old person and you’re making minimum wage you probably failed at life.”

Erickson dismissed the idea that some of those people may have just been down on their luck. “It is not that life dealt you a bad hand,” he said. “Life does not deal you cards. It’s that you failed at life.”

Ladies and gentlemen, THIS is why the wage gap, poverty, de facto segregation and the achievement gap is alive and well in America. Fucking bootstrap mentality.

475 Decatur Deb  Sep 5, 2014 8:53:57am

re: #471 De Kolta Chair

Ursula Andress?

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Yup. Post-Dr No.

476 Timothy Watson  Sep 5, 2014 8:53:58am

re: #465 Lidane

Erick, Son of Erick is bleating again:

Christ, the sheer arrogance of that piece of shit.

477 Patricia Kayden  Sep 5, 2014 8:54:35am

re: #332 WhatEVs

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That was quick. Why did they publish such drivel in the first place? I really would like to ask whoever wrote that article which Black slaves should have been portrayed as villains.

478 WhatEVs  Sep 5, 2014 8:55:15am

re: #462 blueraven

Oh look…Mary Burke is now leading Scott Walker in the RCP average.

realclearpolitics.com

But Rasmussen!!

I hope this holds true. But, hey…it’d give Walker more time to run for POTUS/VPOTUS in 2016.

Look at the graphic there. Looks like an automatic weapon (machine gun?).

479 William Barnett-Lewis  Sep 5, 2014 8:55:30am

re: #469 b.d.

Hoo-ah. /// Nah, as a vet I can get the temptation. Still, it’s a sad thing that the world is a better place after these deaths.

480 De Kolta Chair  Sep 5, 2014 8:56:08am

re: #475 Decatur Deb

Yup. Post-Dr No.

And Christopher Lee pre-Saruman.

481 William Barnett-Lewis  Sep 5, 2014 8:56:21am

re: #473 Decatur Deb

Precision-guided Karma.

I have to remember that phrase…

482 William Barnett-Lewis  Sep 5, 2014 8:57:13am

re: #476 Timothy Watson

Christ, the sheer arrogance of that piece of shit.

And of course, he likes to pretend he’s a follower of the messiah. <spit>

483 Patricia Kayden  Sep 5, 2014 8:58:56am

re: #474 Franklin

So every time Erick shops at Walmart or eats at a fast food restaurant, he automatically looks down on the workers as failures and losers. Nice to know and so Christ-like.

484 sagehen  Sep 5, 2014 9:00:12am

re: #474 Franklin

Erickson dismissed the idea that some of those people may have just been down on their luck. “It is not that life dealt you a bad hand,” he said. “Life does not deal you cards. It’s that you failed at life.”

Half of everybody is below average intelligence. Half of everybody is below average talent. Some of those lowest-half are born to families that will get them a job anyway, or leave them an inheritence, but the rest… is there no dignified place for them in a capitalist economy?

This is why pitchforks.

485 darthstar  Sep 5, 2014 9:00:19am
486 Bulworth  Sep 5, 2014 9:01:36am

re:
#474

“Seriously, look. I don’t mean to be ugly with you people…

…but I’ll be ugly with you people because that’s who I am and all I know to do and I’m a success at life.

487 Patricia Kayden  Sep 5, 2014 9:02:07am

re: #424 Lidane

Barber And Staver Warn That Gay Marriage Will Make Straight Couples Less Monogamous

Yes, now that MD allows same sex marriages, hubby and I have become so much more promiscuous. Now we know why.

***rolls eyes***

These people must be on drugs.

488 HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2014 9:02:20am

re: #483 Patricia Kayden

So every time Erick shops at Walmart or eats at a fast food restaurant, he automatically looks down on the workers as failures and losers. Nice to know and so Christ-like.

Yep, but he’s a good Christian just ask him.

489 HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2014 9:03:01am

re: #470 Ace-o-aces

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Didn’t Robert Stacy McCain review that?

490 Decatur Deb  Sep 5, 2014 9:03:51am

re: #481 William Barnett-Lewis

I have to remember that phrase…

I get 10%. My people will talk to your people.

491 b.d.  Sep 5, 2014 9:04:45am

re: #485 darthstar

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I thought that guy was going to leave that offices of that embassy?

492 Bulworth  Sep 5, 2014 9:05:59am

re:
#474

“Seriously, look. I don’t mean to be ugly with you people…”

“…but let’s face it, I run a website called RedState. How could I not be ugly with you people. “

493 Bulworth  Sep 5, 2014 9:08:07am

re:
#468

OK, well, 20hrs with OT above that would be better, but I won’t quibble.

/

494 Ryan King  Sep 5, 2014 9:09:49am

Wow, I don’t even.

495 Pie-onist Overlord  Sep 5, 2014 9:10:43am

SMOTI is one sick fucker.

496 Timothy Watson  Sep 5, 2014 9:11:38am

re: #494 Ryan King

Wow, I don’t even.

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Yep, nothing sexual about that…

497 HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2014 9:11:54am

re: #494 Ryan King

Wow, I don’t even.

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And Jim H can’t find his head from his ass. Really dude just grow up already.

498 WhatEVs  Sep 5, 2014 9:12:31am

re: #465 Lidane

Erick, Son of Erick is bleating again:

Let’s completely ignore that for some people, this is their ability level, at 30 or 70. I suppose Erickson thinks they should starve and be homeless and just die already.

He so epitomizes everything wrong with the conservative mindset; lack if empathy, black or white thinking, never change your thoughts.

And it also epitomizes why I loathe these cretins.

499 Timothy Watson  Sep 5, 2014 9:12:45am

re: #494 Ryan King

Wow, I don’t even.

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Freud: Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar…no, wait, that guy is fucked up.

500 HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2014 9:14:46am

re: #498 WhatEVs

Let’s completely ignore that for some people, this is their ability level, at 30 or 70. I suppose Erickson thinks they should starve and be homeless and just die already.

He so epitomizes everything wrong with the conservative mindset; lack if empathy, black or white thinking, never change your thoughts.

And it also epitomizes why I loathe these cretins.

It’s why I will never be a conservative.

501 Ryan King  Sep 5, 2014 9:15:03am

re: #499 Timothy Watson

Freud: Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar…no, wait, that guy is fucked up.

Anybody who bleats about ‘Moochelle’ is fucked up. Hoft manages to go way beyond that.

Pretty much every day.

502 William Barnett-Lewis  Sep 5, 2014 9:15:09am

re: #495 Pie-onist Overlord

SMOTI is one sick fucker.

SROTI please. Let’s all of us re-enforce the idea that Dim Jim not just stupid but he’s a stupid f***ing racist.

503 Ryan King  Sep 5, 2014 9:16:21am

SMOTI/SROTI… all good by me!

504 De Kolta Chair  Sep 5, 2014 9:19:29am

re: #494 Ryan King

Wow, I don’t even.

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Sleazeballs gotta sleaze.

505 Ryan King  Sep 5, 2014 9:19:44am

re: #494 Ryan King

I think he PShopped the original to make the GIF. He’s not even good at it.

506 Pie-onist Overlord  Sep 5, 2014 9:20:08am

HURR HURR IT’S FUNNY OR DIE, THAT A LIBRUL SITE U LIBTARDS!!!!!! FILE PHOTO1!111!!

507 Bulworth  Sep 5, 2014 9:21:26am

re:
#506

Stay classy, wingnuts, and so very policy focused!

508 Danny  Sep 5, 2014 9:23:16am

re: #443 Timothy Watson

That’s what I keep coming back to: McDonald’s and every other burger joint is obsessed with efficiency and optimization, if these machines were so cost-effective and such a great idea, why hasn’t McDonald’s started using them years ago?

I haven’t really followed the Momentum burger machine story very closely, but from what I can tell, the machine’s design doesn’t integrate with most fast food restaurants’ business model. Most fast food is already pre-processed via automated machines before it reaches the restaurant, relying on the final “assembly” by employees. The Momentum machine is designed to make the patties, slice the fixings etc…those tasks aren’t needed by the fast food companies.

Will some companies eventually use automation in the final assembly stage that supplants the need for humans to do those tasks? I expect so, though as Franklin and others have pointed out, many other tasks will still require humans. I don’t see automation as a threat to jobs. I also don’t see it being relevant to minimum wage rates, which should be based on cost of living and the economy as a whole.

509 lawhawk  Sep 5, 2014 9:24:02am

Speaking of SMOTI’s racist pal, CCJ, Adam Weinstein at Gawker eviscerates CCJ, including the whole smoking bit.

Perhaps this is the future of journalism: flailing attempts to distill and monetize the content of grampa’s incoherent racist chain-emails. Certainly Johnson knows his case law, which prevents him from being sued for defaming a dead man. And man, does he sure know what a violent thug looks like:

James O’Keefe Wannabe “Exposes” Michael Brown’s Instagram

One of the men above is reportedly being subpoenaed in connection with a possible felony, and may have committed an additional crime just this morning by publishing the subpoena on Twitter. Can you guess which one is the possible criminal? HINT: It’s not the dead man.

Except CCJ is defaming Brown’s step-father, other family members, and friends with his bomb-throwing as journalistic malpractice postings.

510 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Sep 5, 2014 9:26:28am

re: #465 Lidane

Good thing he chose the time, place, and circumstances of his birth wisely. Otherwise, he might have failed at life like this ne’er-do-well.

511 Franklin  Sep 5, 2014 9:26:43am

re: #508 Danny

I haven’t really followed the Momentum burger machine story very closely, but from what I can tell, the machine’s design doesn’t integrate with most fast food restaurants’ business model. Most fast food is already pre-processed via automated machines before it reaches the restaurant, relying on the final “assembly” by employees. The Momentum machine is designed to make the patties, slice the fixings etc…those tasks aren’t needed by the fast food companies.

Will some companies eventually use automation in the final assembly stage that supplants the need for humans to do those tasks? I expect so, though as Franklin and others have pointed out, many other tasks will still require humans. I don’t see automation as a threat to jobs. I also don’t see it being relevant to minimum wage rates, which should be based on cost of living and the economy as a whole.

I used to work for a guy that fast food restaurants hated. Pizza had to be sent through twice, same with burger. No pickles, extra mayo, too much lettuce last time, etc. I know there are many customers just like him.

“Have it your way” will become “Have it our way”.

512 De Kolta Chair  Sep 5, 2014 9:27:16am

re: #509 lawhawk

Speaking of SMOTI’s racist pal, CCJ, Adam Weinstein at Gawker eviscerates CCJ, including the whole smoking bit.

“If Andrew Breitbart injected a Chia Pet with ginger and turkey fat, then died before he could bring it in out of the sun, the resulting mass would grow up to become Chuck C. Johnson.”

As my British friends say, Brill!

513 Pie-onist Overlord  Sep 5, 2014 9:30:12am

re: #508 Danny

I haven’t really followed the Momentum burger machine story very closely, but from what I can tell, the machine’s design doesn’t integrate with most fast food restaurants’ business model. Most fast food is already pre-processed via automated machines before it reaches the restaurant, relying on the final “assembly” by employees. The Momentum machine is designed to make the patties, slice the fixings etc…those tasks aren’t needed by the fast food companies.

Will some companies eventually use automation in the final assembly stage that supplants the need for humans to do those tasks? I expect so, though as Franklin and others have pointed out, many other tasks will still require humans. I don’t see automation as a threat to jobs. I also don’t see it being relevant to minimum wage rates, which should be based on cost of living and the economy as a whole.

Well that could explain why they haven’t installed any units.

514 ausador  Sep 5, 2014 9:30:28am

re: #411 Pie-onist Overlord

It’s simply not cost effective to replace low-wage human beings with expensive machinery.

Left them a comment…

Who loads the feed hoppers on the machine? Who cleans it?
How much does a service technician charge per hour to repair it when it breaks down or needs adjustment?
How steep is the lease? Yes lease, if you look at their two years since the last update web site these babies are not for sale, leasing contract only.
Who does the shopping for the absolutely uniform size onions and tomatoes required to load the machines hopper tubes?
Who makes the french fries and other fried foods?
Who cleans the bathrooms, the floors, and the parking lot?
Who takes out the garbage, restocks the condiments and napkins?
Who unloads the delivery trucks and stocks the cooler and freezer?
Who sanitizes the kitchen nightly?
Etc, etc…

“Flipping burgers” is only a tiny part of running a restaurant. This machine, which still hasn’t ever been leased by anyone yet, does not eliminate the need for a staff. Which probably explains why so far no restaurant has seen the promise of a great enough economic benefit to actually try one.

515 danarchy  Sep 5, 2014 9:31:32am

re: #453 lawhawk

Indeed.

Had the minimum wage kept up with inflation, the minimum wage would already be in the $13-15 range.

The number I have seen is actually $10-11. if you take the minimum wage when it was at it’s peak value in 1968.

516 Romantic Heretic  Sep 5, 2014 9:33:14am

re: #409 Lidane

WTFITS:

Alan Keyes: Obama Is Funding ISIS To Wage ‘War On The People Of The United States’

Holy crap! That was one of the most twisted pieces of rhetoric it’s been my misfortune to read.

517 ausador  Sep 5, 2014 9:33:55am

re: #515 danarchy

The number I have seen is actually $10-11. if you take the minimum wage when it was at it’s peak value in 1968.

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I want to know where they buy their bread!
5 loaves for $7.25? Sign me up…

518 TedStriker  Sep 5, 2014 9:34:39am

re: #409 Lidane

WTFITS:

Alan Keyes: Obama Is Funding ISIS To Wage ‘War On The People Of The United States’

re: #516 Romantic Heretic

Holy crap! That was one of the most twisted pieces of rhetoric it’s been my misfortune to read.

Completely and totally cray-cray…

519 Bulworth  Sep 5, 2014 9:34:42am

re:
#512

“If Andrew Breitbart injected a Chia Pet with ginger and turkey fat, then died before he could bring it in out of the sun, the resulting mass would grow up to become Chuck C. Johnson.”

Yeah but I haz Award-winning Journalist and academic awards from all over the country and I only one fight I didn’t start but I won when I beat up that disabled kid…

520 Franklin  Sep 5, 2014 9:34:53am

re: #514 ausador

Left them a comment…

Who loads the feed hoppers on the machine? Who cleans it?
How much does a service technician charge per hour to repair it when it breaks down or needs adjustment?
How steep is the lease? Yes lease, if you look at their two years since the last update web site these babies are not for sale, leasing contract only.
Who does the shopping for the absolutely uniform size onions and tomatoes required to load the machines hopper tubes?
Who makes the french fries and other fried foods?
Who cleans the bathrooms, the floors, and the parking lot?
Who takes out the garbage, restocks the condiments and napkins?
Who unloads the delivery trucks and stocks the cooler and freezer?
Who sanitizes the kitchen nightly?
Etc, etc…

“Flipping burgers” is only a tiny part of running a restaurant. This machine, which still hasn’t ever been leased by anyone yet, does not eliminate the need for a staff. Which probably explains why so far no restaurant has seen the promise of a great enough economic benefit to actually try one.

To add:

- Do these machines handle the final assembly of all sandwich type(s)? Can it do a Big mac, chicken sandwich, Quarter Pounder, Singles, Double, Triples, seasonal offerings? Or do you need multiple units to handle the variety?

I can sum this all up in two words. Pipe Dream.

521 Romantic Heretic  Sep 5, 2014 9:35:53am

re: #410 Pie-onist Overlord

Well, if robots are doing all the work who’s going to buy those cheap burgers? The wealthy won’t because they can eat in swanky places. The middle class won’t because they are now poor. The poor won’t because they can’t afford even cheap burgers.

Don’t these contents of a colostomy bag ever think these things through?

522 Danny  Sep 5, 2014 9:36:23am

re: #511 Franklin

I used to work for a guy that fast food restaurants hated. Pizza had to be sent through twice, same with burger. No pickles, extra mayo, too much lettuce last time, etc. I know there are many customers just like him.

“Have it your way” will become “Have it our way”.

I prefer hand-made food and don’t mind paying more for it.

523 Bulworth  Sep 5, 2014 9:36:39am

re:
#409

Alan Keyes: Obama Is Funding ISIS To Wage ‘War On The People Of The United States’

Doesn’t Dictator Obama have a whole army he could use to do that?

/

524 danarchy  Sep 5, 2014 9:36:52am

re: #517 ausador

I want to know where they buy their bread!!!
5 loaves for $7.25? Sign me up…

If you buy the store brand bread they almost always have a 2 for $3 deal or something like that.

525 Pie-onist Overlord  Sep 5, 2014 9:37:24am

Another fucking idiot heard from==>

526 makeitstop  Sep 5, 2014 9:38:26am

re: #509 lawhawk

Speaking of SMOTI’s racist pal, CCJ, Adam Weinstein at Gawker eviscerates CCJ, including the whole smoking bit.

Like I said last night - Chucky’s in an extended audition for wingnut welfare, and he thinks that the way to cash in is to be the biggest dickhead he’s capable of being.

He should really hope that he’s not pissing off the wrong people. Of course RWNJs enjoy his toxic performance art, but other people may not find it so entertaining.

527 William Barnett-Lewis  Sep 5, 2014 9:38:38am

re: #510 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

Good thing he chose the time, place, and circumstances of his birth wisely. Otherwise, he might have failed at life like this ne’er-do-well.

Sorry, I understand what you’re trying to say but I also remember what that photograph cost the soul of the photographer. -1.

528 Decatur Deb  Sep 5, 2014 9:38:48am

re: #525 Pie-onist Overlord

Another fucking idiot heard from==>

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I only want the American Process Cheese Food Product cleaned out of my Bergermatic once a week.

529 De Kolta Chair  Sep 5, 2014 9:38:58am

Just threw away a stack of old chipped dishes. So many memories of meals of yore (sniff).

530 Bulworth  Sep 5, 2014 9:38:59am

re:
#525

Confirmed. FACT.

And yet Obamacare is killing all the jobz especially part-time jobs and jobs for the poors!!!111

531 lawhawk  Sep 5, 2014 9:39:35am

re: #515 danarchy

Yup. And if it kept up with productivity, it would be over $20 an hour.

I misremembered the spread on the minimum wage adjusted for inflation.

532 Romantic Heretic  Sep 5, 2014 9:39:39am

re: #424 Lidane

Barber And Staver Warn That Gay Marriage Will Make Straight Couples Less Monogamous

So what they are saying is that men are too stupid to make intelligent decisions and need a woman to do their thinking for them. Yet somehow this is supposed to make men the better people?

Ow! Owowowowowow!

533 sattv4u2  Sep 5, 2014 9:40:00am

re: #517 ausador

I want to know where they buy their bread!
5 loaves for $7.25? Sign me up…

A grocery chain here (Georgia) regularly has a name brand loaf @ Buy One/ Get One free wit the final cost of under $1.80 a loaf (Buy One at the regular price of $3.69.. second one free)

Natures Own brand

534 Lidane  Sep 5, 2014 9:40:04am

My surprise, etc. —

Armed Militia Member Shot At By Border Patrol Agent Is A Convicted Felon

The armed militia member who was shot at by a border patrol agent last week is a convicted felon.

Rio Grande Valley TV station KRGV reported Wednesday that records show the man, John Frederick Forester, has misdemeanor convictions for theft and trespassing and a felony conviction for burglary.

Forester was violating federal statues, then, when a border patrol agent who was chasing a group of immigrants last Friday in Brownsville, Texas spotted him holding a gun.

Texas law, however, allows a felon to possess a gun after five years have elapsed since his or her release from prison. Forester was not in violation of state law, according to KRGV.

535 Pie-onist Overlord  Sep 5, 2014 9:40:54am

“Worked around robotics” = was a janitor at a GM facility.

536 sattv4u2  Sep 5, 2014 9:41:05am

re: #529 De Kolta Chair

Just threw away a stack of old chipped dishes. So many memories of meals of yore (sniff).

How exactly did you cook your yore!!?!?

I prefer mine grilled, medium rare

537 Bulworth  Sep 5, 2014 9:41:14am

re:
#532

“Men are beasts who need women to tame and domesticize them but men need to be the breadwinners and head of the family because they’re Rational not Emotional like womenz.”

It all makes perfect sense. /

538 De Kolta Chair  Sep 5, 2014 9:41:49am

re: #534 Lidane

My surprise, etc. —

Armed Militia Member Shot At By Border Patrol Agent Is A Convicted Felon

Trespassing? Irony, how does it work?

539 sattv4u2  Sep 5, 2014 9:42:29am

re: #517 ausador

re: #533 sattv4u2

A grocery chain here (Georgia) regularly has a name brand loaf @ Buy One/ Get One free wit the final cost of under $1.80 a loaf (Buy One at the regular price of $3.69.. second one free)

Natures Own brand

And they offer non-brand names for even less

540 Bulworth  Sep 5, 2014 9:42:44am

re:
#535

“Worked around robotics” = Watched a lot of TV.

541 Pie-onist Overlord  Sep 5, 2014 9:42:45am

re: #522 Danny

I prefer hand-made food and don’t mind paying more for it.

I prefer hand made food and that is why I almost never eat out.

542 danarchy  Sep 5, 2014 9:42:52am

re: #531 lawhawk

Yup. And if it kept up with productivity, it would be over $20 an hour.

I misremembered the spread on the minimum wage adjusted for inflation.

One of the problems with tying minimum wage to inflation is that the things most minimum wage workers are spending their money on, food and energy, are not included in the inflation calculations. I always thought that was weird.

543 A Mom Anon  Sep 5, 2014 9:42:58am

re: #498 WhatEVs

Let me add this too:

For some of us, it’s below our ability level. But life sometimes simply doesn’t go the way we wish it had. I wanted to go to college, but my parents threw me away like garbage before I finished high school because, horrors, I smoked pot and questioned God. I came home to find all my stuff outside one afternoon at 17 yrs old. I ended up living in a crappy apartment outside my school district and had to walk 4 miles each way to finish my senior year while working full time and living with a guy who started hitting me(from there I went to live with grandparents and got a union factory job for awhile, a step up, but not for long sadly). College became nothing more than something that someone else could do, not me. I began working retail jobs and did that for the next 20 ish years. Not because I wanted to, but because it’s all I could do. I suspect there are a lot of people like me out there, working hard to survive and not having the resources to do more. When sadly, if companies would raise wages and encourage further education they would have a more loyal, better trained and happier workforce. That could spend money and boost the economy. Once my son was born and diagnosed with Asperger’s I didn’t go back to work, someone had to care for him since we could not afford specialized care for him. I cannot even find anyone to hire me in one of those “menial” jobs now, because being a full time mom/autism advocate/speech, occupational and sensory integration therapist/ family CFO/ whatthehelleverelseneedsdone person doesn’t mean jack shit to potential employers. Even though I have a lot of experience.

I’ve met lots of really smart people working those “menial”, “dirty” jobs. Yes, some people don’t have the savvy or smarts to go past that level, but we don’t support people in those jobs either, we demonize and shame them. I wanted to be a teacher or a CSW, or maybe a landscape architect, it never happened and it wasn’t because I lacked ability, I lacked resources and support.

544 BeachDem  Sep 5, 2014 9:43:35am

re: #509 lawhawk

Speaking of SMOTI’s racist pal, CCJ, Adam Weinstein at Gawker eviscerates CCJ, including the whole smoking bit.

Except CCJ is defaming Brown’s step-father, other family members, and friends with his bomb-throwing as journalistic malpractice postings.

The most pathetic thing is that CCJ probably considers it a compliment to be called a James O’Keefe wannabe.

545 Decatur Deb  Sep 5, 2014 9:43:40am

re: #539 sattv4u2

And they offer non-brand names for even less

But that’s not what was likely to be in the inflation tracker’s ‘marketbasket’.

546 De Kolta Chair  Sep 5, 2014 9:43:50am

re: #536 sattv4u2

How exactly did you cook your yore!!?!?

I prefer mine grilled, medium rare

Depends on the wife’s mood. I can barely toast bread. ;-)

547 b.d.  Sep 5, 2014 9:44:42am

re: #535 Pie-onist Overlord

“Worked around robotics” = was a janitor at a GM facility.

“Worked around robotics” = My mom has a roomba

548 sattv4u2  Sep 5, 2014 9:45:56am

re: #545 Decatur Deb

But that’s not what was likely to be in the inflation tracker’s ‘marketbasket’.

Don’t know

The tracker may have just gone to ‘a” store and priced the cheapest item per category

I can go to town here and get a loaf of bread from a boutique shop costing over $15,00 for the loaf,,, OR ,, I can go to a thrift place and get one for a little over a buck

549 BeachDem  Sep 5, 2014 9:47:02am

re: #512 De Kolta Chair

“If Andrew Breitbart injected a Chia Pet with ginger and turkey fat, then died before he could bring it in out of the sun, the resulting mass would grow up to become Chuck C. Johnson.”

As my British friends say, Brill!

I had to quote this so I could read it again downthread—what a perfect description. CCJ, being irony and sarcasm immune, will probably quote it himself, thinking it makes him look good because BREITBART.

550 Pie-onist Overlord  Sep 5, 2014 9:47:26am
551 Romantic Heretic  Sep 5, 2014 9:48:03am

re: #455 Pie-onist Overlord

Is this a parody account?

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I don’t know about the Twitter account but it is true that Clarkson said that. He was trying to be funny, he claims.

552 Lidane  Sep 5, 2014 9:48:26am

*flips desk, nukes it from orbit*

Ben Carson: US Turning Communist, Obama Refuses To Attack ISIS

553 bubba zanetti  Sep 5, 2014 9:48:41am

“weekly maintenance” on food prep machinery = health code violation

554 HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2014 9:48:54am

re: #551 Romantic Heretic

I don’t know about the Twitter account but it is true that Clarkson said that. He was trying to be funny, he claims.

I don’t know who he is but that’s not fucking funny. Typical entitled right wing prick pretzel.

555 WhatEVs  Sep 5, 2014 9:49:03am

re: #532 Romantic Heretic

So what they are saying is that men are too stupid to make intelligent decisions and need a woman to do their thinking for them. Yet somehow this is supposed to make men the better people?

Ow! Owowowowowow!

Men are always the problem, to wit;

-What was she wearing when she was raped?

-What did she do to deserve that beating?

-Women should always dress modestly (aspirin between knees) otherwise…

One would think guys would be outraged by, not just the right, generically), but by religious zealots, who seem to believe all men are animals who have to be controlled for the good of all society.

556 HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2014 9:49:18am

re: #552 Lidane

*flips desk, nukes it from orbit*

Ben Carson: US Turning Communist, Obama Refuses To Attack ISIS

I guess Dr. Dumbass missed the memo about the ISIS leadership the other day when he had his head up his ass.

557 De Kolta Chair  Sep 5, 2014 9:49:32am

re: #549 BeachDem

I had to quote this so I could read it again downthread—what a perfect description. CCJ, being irony and sarcasm immune, will probably quote it himself, thinking it makes him look good because BREITBART.

The author, Adam Weinstein, hit it right on the head with “Perhaps this is the future of journalism: flailing attempts to distill and monetize the content of grampa’s incoherent racist chain-emails.”

(Emphasis mine.)

558 Decatur Deb  Sep 5, 2014 9:49:58am

re: #548 sattv4u2

Don’t know

The tracker may have just gone to ‘a” store and priced the cheapest item per category

I can go to town here and get a loaf of bread from a boutique shop costing over $15,00 for the loaf,,, OR ,, I can go to a thrift place and get one for a little over a buck

Gov statistics sources are very well set up and maintained. They will hold all possible variables stable for comparative purposes. When they do propose changes, like the ‘chained’ CoL formula, a whole bunch of stakeholders and endusers raise shit.

559 Romantic Heretic  Sep 5, 2014 9:51:14am

re: #465 Lidane

I don’t mean to be ugly with you people.

Actually, you do, Erick. Why don’t you just announce the fact that you’re a selfish, cruel prick and be done with it?

560 HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2014 9:51:30am

Ben Carson: I don’t clue what I’m talking about but I know what the right wing knuckledraggers I am desperate to impress want to hear.

561 Decatur Deb  Sep 5, 2014 9:51:42am

re: #554 HappyWarrior

I don’t know who he is but that’s not fucking funny. Typical entitled right wing prick pretzel.

littlegreenfootballs.com

562 prairiefire  Sep 5, 2014 9:51:44am

re: #525 Pie-onist Overlord

Oh, I get it, Hilary has blood on her hands because benghazi. We’ll be seeing a lot of that logo.

563 lawhawk  Sep 5, 2014 9:52:09am

re: #542 danarchy

There are ways of including those in an inflation measure, like using a CPI (commodity price index).

564 HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2014 9:52:35am

re: #561 Decatur Deb

littlegreenfootballs.com

Ah I ese.

565 Bulworth  Sep 5, 2014 9:52:35am

re:
#552

Pretty sure we’ve been bombing ISIS targets, Dr, but even if we weren’t, so what? Is the U.S. supposed to react military to everyone for any reason, around-the-clock, especially non-state actors who commit outrages outside of, and far away from, the U.S. homeland?

566 Pie-onist Overlord  Sep 5, 2014 9:53:50am

re: #552 Lidane

*flips desk, nukes it from orbit*

Ben Carson: US Turning Communist, Obama Refuses To Attack ISIS

I thought he said U.S. was turning into Nazi Germany.

567 William Barnett-Lewis  Sep 5, 2014 9:53:51am

Good “night” all. Off to bed till the night’s work again.

568 ausador  Sep 5, 2014 9:54:05am

re: #524 danarchy

If you buy the store brand bread they almost always have a 2 for $3 deal or something like that.

Not in my neck of the woods. :(

569 Romantic Heretic  Sep 5, 2014 9:54:06am

re: #487 Patricia Kayden

Yes, now that MD allows same sex marriages, hubby and I have become so much more promiscuous. Now we know why.

***rolls eyes***

These people must be on drugs.

They are.

570 Lidane  Sep 5, 2014 9:54:12am

And because thousands of years of religious wars aren’t enough for some people:

Gary Cass Calls For Holy War: ‘Islam Has No Place In Civilized Society’

571 prairiefire  Sep 5, 2014 9:54:29am

re: #567 William Barnett-Lewis

Peace and blessings!

572 HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2014 9:54:34am

re: #566 Pie-onist Overlord

I thought he said U.S. was turning into Nazi Germany.

He’s speaking to the red baiters today I guess not the “I’m like a Holocaust victim because I am being told that I can’t discriminate against gay people” audience I guess.

573 Lidane  Sep 5, 2014 9:54:45am

re: #566 Pie-onist Overlord

I thought he said U.S. was turning into Nazi Germany.

He did. But we’re also becoming communist, don’tcha know. Because reasons.

574 sattv4u2  Sep 5, 2014 9:56:08am

dammit

The LAWN just rang the doorbell calling me to mow it!!!

bbl

575 WhatEVs  Sep 5, 2014 9:56:10am

re: #543 A Mom Anon

That’s an amazing story. I’m very sorry your family betrayed you.

Where are you located, if you don’t mind me asking?

576 HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2014 9:56:47am

I really am starting to think what was said about Carson being a savant was true. Don’t know how someone so brilliant on neuroscience could be so fucking dumb otherwise. I don’t expect him to know policy by the way but I do expect him to not be this stupid but then again I’m of the thought that he actually does know better and knows he has a captive audience who will cheer on a man if he says outrageous shit about Obama.

577 RealityBasedSteve  Sep 5, 2014 9:57:55am

re: #419 RealityBasedSteve

Sitting at drivers license office. Looks like my papers are in order, probably about an hour to wait. Hell is any government waiting room.

RBS

Well, I am back home and again in the good graces of the state of Tennessee. Once I got my number called, piece of cake. Read the eye chart, smile at the camera, sign a few things and out the door. Quite a delightful person at the desk, we actually had a good laugh or two.

RBS

578 lawhawk  Sep 5, 2014 9:58:01am

re: #552 Lidane

Refuses to target ISIL?

Carson can’t possibly be serious. That’s so easily debunked as to not be worthy of more than a link or 100.

Or, is he thinking that ISIS and ISIL are different entities, which is something that the ignorant would do anyways.

If anything it shows just how fact-challenged Carson is, and that his followers are even more so if they buy into that baffling BS.

579 HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2014 9:58:07am

I totally expect Carson to accuse Obama of eating babies next.

580 HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2014 9:59:17am

re: #578 lawhawk

Refuses to target ISIL?

Carson can’t possibly be serious. That’s so easily debunked as to not be worthy of more than a link or 100.

Or, is he thinking that ISIS and ISIL are different entities, which is something that the ignorant would do anyways.

If anything it shows just how fact-challenged Carson is, and that his followers are even more so if they buy into that baffling BS.

I feel conflicted. Part of me thinks he really is that dumb but the other part of me thinks he knows how easy it is to feed off of anti-Obama rage. I mean Michelle Bachmann and Herman Cain were once GOP frontrunners by simple virtue of being rapidly anti-Obama.

581 RealityBasedSteve  Sep 5, 2014 10:00:26am

re: #579 HappyWarrior

I totally expect Carson to accuse Obama of eating babies next.

Coming soon, the fully automatic “Baby-Matic 4000” to simplify preparing and serving babies to Atheist Muslim Communist Gay Illegal Presidents with out the cost of expensive staff.

582 makeitstop  Sep 5, 2014 10:02:25am

re: #578 lawhawk

Refuses to target ISIL?

Carson can’t possibly be serious. That’s so easily debunked as to not be worthy of more than a link or 100.

Or, is he thinking that ISIS and ISIL are different entities, which is something that the ignorant would do anyways.

If anything it shows just how fact-challenged Carson is, and that his followers are even more so if they buy into that baffling BS.

I saw somw wingnut link on FB last week that said Obama’s calling them ‘ISIL’ instead of ‘ISIS’ betrays his Seekrit Mooslim sympathies or something.

583 Pie-onist Overlord  Sep 5, 2014 10:02:47am

Now they’re dragging out this stupid meme.
Nobody has even asked HEY WHY DON’T WE RAISE PAY FOR THE MILITARY!!!!
Because: they really don’t give a fuck about the actual soldiers, especially when they come back from service and get jrbs at Walmart or fast food.

584 Bulworth  Sep 5, 2014 10:03:35am

re:
#577

I had a surprisingly rapid trip through the Maryland DMV a week or so ago.

Had to verify that I’d gotten my windshield fixed as ordered and also dropped off some old license plates. Got through in a flash. Then realized it had time to go into work that day. :(

585 Kilroy01  Sep 5, 2014 10:03:48am

re: #455 Pie-onist Overlord

Is this a parody account?

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telegraph.co.uk

No idea if it a parody account but Clarkson said it.. But then again.. it is Clarkson.

586 HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2014 10:04:28am

re: #582 makeitstop

I saw somw wingnut link on FB last week that said Obama’s calling them ‘ISIL’ instead of ‘ISIS’ betrays his Seekrit Mooslim sympathies or something.

Do you remember them flipping out because he called the Boston bombings an act of terror? I’m resigned to the fact that there’s nothing Obama can do about terrorism without him accusing him of sympathizing with the terrorists.The guy literally coordinates the mission that gets OBL and the fucks still lie themselves with the delusion that not only is Obama soft on terror but he sympathizes with the terrorists. That’s some pure grade A derp right there.

587 Romantic Heretic  Sep 5, 2014 10:05:11am

re: #542 danarchy

One of the problems with tying minimum wage to inflation is that the things most minimum wage workers are spending their money on, food and energy, are not included in the inflation calculations. I always thought that was weird.

Thats because an honest evaluation of inflation would make the people in charge look bad, so they measure the things that don’t contribute much to inflation. semi/

588 HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2014 10:05:51am

re: #583 Pie-onist Overlord

Now they’re dragging out this stupid meme.
Nobody has even asked HEY WHY DON’T WE RAISE PAY FOR THE MILITARY!!!!
Because: they really don’t give a fuck about the actual soldiers, especially when they come back from service and get jrbs at Walmart or fast food.

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Actually they don’t get paid less than minimum wage and many of the people working those burgers are veterans themselves. It’s just like them to use the troops to put down people trying to get better pay for themselves. IT’s too bad these aren’t executives asking for a seven figure bonus because then they would be all for it.

589 Bulworth  Sep 5, 2014 10:06:04am

re:
#582

I saw somw wingnut link on FB last week

Facebook needs to be destroyed.

590 Bulworth  Sep 5, 2014 10:07:33am

re:
#583

Not sure why the hardworking bloggers behind TCOT would resent higher wages for their fellow Americans trying to make a living.

591 Dr Lizardo  Sep 5, 2014 10:08:32am

re: #548 sattv4u2

Don’t know

The tracker may have just gone to ‘a” store and priced the cheapest item per category

I can go to town here and get a loaf of bread from a boutique shop costing over $15,00 for the loaf,,, OR ,, I can go to a thrift place and get one for a little over a buck

I get a one-kilo loaf of bread here for the equivalent of $1.25.

It’s not “bread”…..it’s chleb!!

592 lawhawk  Sep 5, 2014 10:09:04am

re: #582 makeitstop

I saw somw wingnut link on FB last week that said Obama’s calling them ‘ISIL’ instead of ‘ISIS’ betrays his Seekrit Mooslim sympathies or something.

Yeah, I’ve seen that too (on twitter more than FB, but it’s the same kind of people who are making the claim).

The President is using ISIL because that’s the name of the group that the US designated as a foreign terrorist organization back in 2004. The current group is directly related to that one, so all of the rules apply (like disrupting and tracking financial transactions, sanctions, etc.). ISIL is the Islamic State in Iraq and Levant (which describes pretty much the area from Lebanon to Iraq and can include parts of Turkey, Jordan, and even Israel and Egypt depending on the map).

593 A Mom Anon  Sep 5, 2014 10:10:00am

re: #575 WhatEVs

I’m in the Metro Atlanta area now.

594 Romantic Heretic  Sep 5, 2014 10:13:00am

re: #543 A Mom Anon

Much the same here.

I’ve mentioned before that I used to be a computer programmer. But I was self taught. So that meant I could only get hired for work that ‘real programmers’ felt was beneath them.

Still, I tried to get at the good stuff, and annoyed the hell out of my employers. This lead to constants complaints about me not being a ‘team player’. Which eventually made me unhireable.

As John Ralston Saul points out, we live in a ‘rational society’. And in a rational society a lot of people don’t fit in because they don’t fit into the nice, neat grid of that society.

595 BeachDem  Sep 5, 2014 10:15:20am

re: #557 De Kolta Chair

The author, Adam Weinstein, hit it right on the head with “Perhaps this is the future of journalism: flailing attempts to distill and monetize the content of grampa’s incoherent racist chain-emails.”

(Emphasis mine.)

Yep—that’s the game for sure, particularly the “flailing attempts” aspect.

596 Iwouldprefernotto  Sep 5, 2014 10:15:34am

re: #543 A Mom Anon

Let me add this too:

For some of us, it’s below our ability level. But life sometimes simply doesn’t go the way we wish it had. I wanted to go to college, but my parents threw me away like garbage before I finished high school because, horrors, I smoked pot and questioned God. I came home to find all my stuff outside one afternoon at 17 yrs old. I ended up living in a crappy apartment outside my school district and had to walk 4 miles each way to finish my senior year while working full time and living with a guy who started hitting me(from there I went to live with grandparents and got a union factory job for awhile, a step up, but not for long sadly). College became nothing more than something that someone else could do, not me. I began working retail jobs and did that for the next 20 ish years. Not because I wanted to, but because it’s all I could do. I suspect there are a lot of people like me out there, working hard to survive and not having the resources to do more. When sadly, if companies would raise wages and encourage further education they would have a more loyal, better trained and happier workforce. That could spend money and boost the economy. Once my son was born and diagnosed with Asperger’s I didn’t go back to work, someone had to care for him since we could not afford specialized care for him. I cannot even find anyone to hire me in one of those “menial” jobs now, because being a full time mom/autism advocate/speech, occupational and sensory integration therapist/ family CFO/ whatthehelleverelseneedsdone person doesn’t mean jack shit to potential employers. Even though I have a lot of experience.

I’ve met lots of really smart people working those “menial”, “dirty” jobs. Yes, some people don’t have the savvy or smarts to go past that level, but we don’t support people in those jobs either, we demonize and shame them. I wanted to be a teacher or a CSW, or maybe a landscape architect, it never happened and it wasn’t because I lacked ability, I lacked resources and support.

Thanks for posting this.

597 Pie-onist Overlord  Sep 5, 2014 10:16:10am

re: #590 Bulworth

re:
#583

Not sure why the hardworking bloggers behind TCOT would resent higher wages for their fellow Americans trying to make a living.

I’m trying to figure that out, why there is such horrific hate for poor people.

According to TCOT and SWOTT, “lazy taking moochers” include:
1. Minimum wage workers
2. Union members
3. Government employees
4. Professional salaried employees (like GM engineers, for example)
5. Teachers
6. Higher education professionals
7. Entertainers, if they have liberal opinions
8. Sports players, if they are gay

Who is NOT a “taker”?

1. SWOTT, even though she has never had a job in her life
2. CEO’s
3. Hedge Fund Managers
4. Koch Brothers
5. Waltons

598 HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2014 10:16:43am

re: #594 Romantic Heretic

Much the same here.

I’ve mentioned before that I used to be a computer programmer. But I was self taught. So that meant I could only get hired for work that ‘real programmers’ felt was beneath them.

Still, I tried to get at the good stuff, and annoyed the hell out of my employers. This lead to constants complaints about me not being a ‘team player’. Which eventually made me unhireable.

As John Ralston Saul points out, we live in a ‘rational society’. And in a rational society a lot of people don’t fit in because they don’t fit into the nice, neat grid of that society.

I’ve had troubles due with employment due to my Asperger’s. I’m a terrible interview. It stinks. This elitist shit by Erickson and the others poes me on so many levels.

599 HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2014 10:17:54am

re: #597 Pie-onist Overlord

I’m trying to figure that out, why there is such horrific hate for poor people.

According to TCOT and SWOTT, “lazy taking moochers” include:
1. Minimum wage workers
2. Union members
3. Government employees
4. Professional salaried employees (like GM engineers, for example)
5. Teachers
6. Higher education professionals
7. Entertainers, if they have liberal opinions
8. Sports players, if they are gay

Who is NOT a “taker”?

1. SWOTT, even though she has never had a job in her life
2. CEO’s
3. Hedge Fund Managers
4. Koch Brothers
5. Waltons

So you mean anyone who isn’t a right wing asshole is a moocher to them. Yep sounds about right. And you forget only conservatives have work ethics and liberals are all lazy.

600 Pie-onist Overlord  Sep 5, 2014 10:19:03am

re: #599 HappyWarrior

So you mean anyone who isn’t a right wing asshole is a moocher to them. Yep sounds about right. And you forget only conservatives have work ethics and liberals are all lazy.

That sums it up.

601 WhatEVs  Sep 5, 2014 10:19:14am

re: #593 A Mom Anon

I’m in the Metro Atlanta area now.

If you’d like, I’ll work with you on your resume. I’m damn good at that.

602 darthstar  Sep 5, 2014 10:19:16am

Cute dog.

Youtube Video

603 Romantic Heretic  Sep 5, 2014 10:19:47am

re: #570 Lidane

And because thousands of years of religious wars aren’t enough for some people:

Gary Cass Calls For Holy War: ‘Islam Has No Place In Civilized Society’

He is aware that when Europe was in the Dark Ages that the Islamic Caliphate was one of the largest and most civilized polities on Earth?

Of course he isn’t. That’s history and so has no place in his mythology.

604 lawhawk  Sep 5, 2014 10:23:41am

There was an incident just a few days ago where a passenger plane with a single occupant on board violated a NOTAM in the DC area; turned out the pilot had apparently had some kind of medical issue rendering him unconscious, and the plane later crashed in the Atlantic Ocean.

605 EPR-radar  Sep 5, 2014 10:24:41am

re: #559 Romantic Heretic

Actually, you do, Erick. Why don’t you just announce the fact that you’re a selfish, cruel prick and be done with it?

He has already done so. After all he is a leader among US conservatives. Case closed.

606 A Mom Anon  Sep 5, 2014 10:24:48am

re: #601 WhatEVs

You’re very sweet to offer, but I think we’d have to lie like a mofo, lol. My last paid job was 21 yrs ago and I have literally NO idea where anyone who I could use for a reference is now. I have no professional references at all.

607 blueraven  Sep 5, 2014 10:26:24am

Laura Ingraham is such a tool

No you idiot…92 million people are not “out of work”.

In August, both the unemployment rate (6.1 percent) and the number of unemployed
persons (9.6 million) changed little. Over the year, the unemployment rate and
the number of unemployed persons were down by 1.1 percentage points and 1.7 million,
respectively.

Even counting the underemployed you cant get close to that number.

The number of persons employed part time for economic reasons (sometimes referred
to as involuntary part-time workers) was little changed in August at 7.3 million.
These individuals were working part time because their hours had been cut back or
because they were unable to find a full-time job.

source: BLS

608 Skip Intro  Sep 5, 2014 10:27:55am

re: #597 Pie-onist Overlord

In short, nobody not born into privilege and wealth deserves anything, especially a job with a decent wage.

How the hell did the country reach this stage? When I was growing up, we lived on a middle class street. My dad was an engineer, our next door neighbor was a butcher at the local grocery, and the guy across the street was an auto mechanic.

Now, the last two would be spit upon because they made enough money to own their houses so they were obviously overpaid. My dad would have been a parasite because he did business with the government.

This is a sick country, getting sicker ever single day.

609 Pie-onist Overlord  Sep 5, 2014 10:28:10am

re: #607 blueraven

Laura Ingraham is such a tool

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No you idiot…92 million people are not “out of work”.

Even counting the underemployed you cant get close to that number.

source: BLS

They’re counting the entire population, including children & retired, and multiplying by some random number pulled out of their ass.

610 Romantic Heretic  Sep 5, 2014 10:28:11am

re: #597 Pie-onist Overlord

It’s because these people have conflated economics with ethics, and religion.

To them the path is clear: work hard, live by the faith and you will be rewarded with wealth. If you are poor it is because you chose to be poor. You made a conscious choice to be evil.

Evil must be punished or else it wins.

Such a worldview is easier than thinking, and gives them a reason to be dicks to other people.

611 De Kolta Chair  Sep 5, 2014 10:28:12am

re: #595 BeachDem

Yep—that’s the game for sure, particularly the “flailing attempts” aspect.

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A wannabe William Randolph Hearst without a printing press.

612 lawhawk  Sep 5, 2014 10:28:23am
613 Gus  Sep 5, 2014 10:28:39am

re: #607 blueraven

Laura Ingraham is such a tool

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No you idiot…92 million people are not “out of work”.

Even counting the underemployed you cant get close to that number.

source: BLS

Yeah. 92 million would be like 1/3rd of the nation.

614 b.d.  Sep 5, 2014 10:29:20am

re: #604 lawhawk

Pretty incredible feat of aviation going on:

The plane is currently hovering over the Atlantic Ocean

615 blueraven  Sep 5, 2014 10:29:43am

re: #604 lawhawk

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There was an incident just a few days ago where a passenger plane with a single occupant on board violated a NOTAM in the DC area; turned out the pilot had apparently had some kind of medical issue rendering him unconscious, and the plane later crashed in the Atlantic Ocean.

NORAD says may involve hypoxia.

616 HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2014 10:30:28am

re: #613 Gus

Yeah. 92 million would be like 1/3rd of the nation.

I think Laura the Troll is including kids. Someone obviously doesn’t understand how the unemployment rate works.

617 Mike Lamb  Sep 5, 2014 10:30:35am

re: #609 Pie-onist Overlord

They’re counting the entire population, including children & retired, and multiplying by some random number pulled out of their ass.

What? You aren’t familiar with the Ass Multiplier? Stupid public education…proper home schooling would larn you right up.

618 HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2014 10:30:53am

First world problems, need to decide what to have for dinner tonight in D.C. Feeling ethnic. Shit.

619 Bulworth  Sep 5, 2014 10:31:05am

re:
#595

Research by the people for the people done for a profit will set us free & save the world.

I threw up in my mouth a little at this.

How does Chuck C. make a profit? Who pays him for his sh&t?

620 blueraven  Sep 5, 2014 10:31:35am

Uh oh, plane has entered Cuban airspace. Jets had to stop tailing.

621 A Mom Anon  Sep 5, 2014 10:31:57am

re: #596 Iwouldprefernotto

I don’t think my story is at ALL unique either. There are a lot of people out there doing these jobs that had something befall them that set them back in some form. I’m 54 now, even if I could some how find the money for college (and the price of education now is just fucking insane, it’s bullshit and something needs to happen there) I’d be at minimum 56 or 57 when I graduated, and no one hires older people anymore, even if age discrimination isn’t legal.

I personally think these jobs are important. If you don’t think so, try getting food poisoning from a dirty kitchen or undercooked food. Or finding an employee in a home improvement store that will give you sound advice and not sell you something that could end up failing and costing you more. Or any host of other things we take for granted all the time. This horseshit about making your own luck makes it sound like everyone is an island unto themselves. FUCK THAT NOISE. NO ONE makes it without help, EVER. It’s a lie and more people need to stand up and say so.

622 Skip Intro  Sep 5, 2014 10:32:05am

re: #607 blueraven

She is going to get a visit from the GOP for saying this, not because the number is totally wrong, but because importing labor lowers wages for everybody, and if your name is Romney or Koch this is a very good thing.

623 lawhawk  Sep 5, 2014 10:32:26am

re: #615 blueraven

Yeah, and the plane now appears to have crossed into Cuban airspace.

624 HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2014 10:32:27am

re: #622 Skip Intro

She is going to get a visit from the GOP for saying this, not because the number is totally wrong, but because importing labor lowers wages for everybody, and if your name is Romney or Koch this is a very good thing.

Yep.

625 Gus  Sep 5, 2014 10:32:32am

“Not in labor force.”

That’s not an unemployment figure. Would include everybody I assume over 18.

626 Pie-onist Overlord  Sep 5, 2014 10:32:42am

Jesus Freaking Christ these people are fucking insane

627 EPR-radar  Sep 5, 2014 10:33:24am

re: #597 Pie-onist Overlord

I think the “hate the poors” idea within US conservatism is the plutocrats showing their hand —— they were happy enough to grab a bunch of free votes from racists etc. in the civil rights realignment, but giving lip service to racists for votes is a temporary strategy.

What this looks like to me is an attempt to focus the haters of the GOP base on poor people permanently.

628 HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2014 10:33:43am

re: #626 Pie-onist Overlord

Jesus Freaking Christ these people are fucking insane

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They’re seriously trying to push that unions want higher wages for more union dues? Me thinks they don’t understand how unions work.

629 b.d.  Sep 5, 2014 10:33:49am

re: #623 lawhawk

Yeah, and the plane now appears to have crossed into Cuban airspace.

What will the Cubans do? EscortTail it with their own planes?

630 De Kolta Chair  Sep 5, 2014 10:34:34am

re: #612 lawhawk

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631 WhatEVs  Sep 5, 2014 10:35:21am

re: #606 A Mom Anon

You’re very sweet to offer, but I think we’d have to lie like a mofo, lol. My last paid job was 21 yrs ago and I have literally NO idea where anyone who I could use for a reference is now. I have no professional references at all.

No lying needed. I focus on achievements. You’ve done “volunteer” work as an advocate, for example. Bullet point tasks performed, list achievements. Skills (especially communication - oral and verbal) and playing nice with others, e.g., team player) can be highlighted.

I’ve helped others without good working histories. Remember, you’re not looking for a gig as CEO (customer service phone rep, for example, gets you out if retail and usually into a job with benefits and upward mobility). A well written resume gets you through doors, which is the hardest part.

I’m here if you ever change your mind.

632 Eventual Carrion  Sep 5, 2014 10:35:57am

re: #570 Lidane

And because thousands of years of religious wars aren’t enough for some people:

Gary Cass Calls For Holy War: ‘Islam Has No Place In Civilized Society’

No one will expect it!

633 GeneJockey  Sep 5, 2014 10:36:04am

re: #597 Pie-onist Overlord

I’m trying to figure that out, why there is such horrific hate for poor people.

According to TCOT and SWOTT, “lazy taking moochers” include:
1. Minimum wage workers
2. Union members
3. Government employees
4. Professional salaried employees (like GM engineers, for example)
5. Teachers
6. Higher education professionals
7. Entertainers, if they have liberal opinions
8. Sports players, if they are gay

Who is NOT a “taker”?

1. SWOTT, even though she has never had a job in her life
2. CEO’s
3. Hedge Fund Managers
4. Koch Brothers
5. Waltons

Of course. Back when GM and Chrysler were going through bankruptcy, I knew a number of Conservatives who were FURIOUS that ‘The Unions’ weren’t crushed, and workers forced to accept loss of pensions, loss of healthcare, etc, and that the poor bondholders didn’t get full value. They wanted to see the companies liquidated in order to punish the workers. These same people blame the unions for killing Hostess, despite the unions giving back concession after concession while the company never provided a workable plan to save itself. Their argument? The workers should have no say in how the company is run. They should take whatever the company decides to pay them, and be grateful.

634 WhatEVs  Sep 5, 2014 10:36:37am

re: #607 blueraven

Laura Ingraham is such a tool

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No you idiot…92 million people are not “out of work”.

Even counting the underemployed you cant get close to that number.

source: BLS

Come on. You’re not counting all those kids aged 7-16. Those able bodies mooches need to get off their asses!

//

635 HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2014 10:38:24am

Really though the Union boogeyman at a time where unions are their weakest since the New Deal? Good luck with that narrative RWNJs, good luck.

636 Gus  Sep 5, 2014 10:38:41am

Speaking of the Huffington Post. Burp…

637 De Kolta Chair  Sep 5, 2014 10:39:19am


TGIF

638 b.d.  Sep 5, 2014 10:39:56am

re: #634 WhatEVs

Come on. You’re not counting all those kids aged 7-16. Those able bodies mooches need to get off their asses!

//

Republicans also count all of the in utero Americans as being unemployed.

639 HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2014 10:40:08am

re: #637 De Kolta Chair

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TGIF

You want a good argument for unions, look at the craft breweries that produce much better beer than the multinationals.

640 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 5, 2014 10:40:30am

re: #619 Bulworth

re:
#595

I threw up in my mouth a little at this.

How does Chuck C. make a profit? Who pays him for his sh&t?

I asked Upchuck about this last night:

641 Pie-onist Overlord  Sep 5, 2014 10:41:09am

re: #633 GeneJockey

Of course. Back when GM and Chrysler were going through bankruptcy, I knew a number of Conservatives who were FURIOUS that ‘The Unions’ weren’t crushed, and workers forced to accept loss of pensions, loss of healthcare, etc, and that the poor bondholders didn’t get full value. They wanted to see the companies liquidated in order to punish the workers. These same people blame the unions for killing Hostess, despite the unions giving back concession after concession while the company never provided a workable plan to save itself. Their argument? The workers should have no say in how the company is run. They should take whatever the company decides to pay them, and be grateful.

I remember that too. I was unemployed for 3 years and went back to work after the GM bailout because the entire auto industry breathed a big huge sigh of relief.

Now wingnuts point to salaried GM engineers (and by extension anyone who works at Ford or an automotive supplier) as being incompetent & worthless individuals WHO SHOULD BE OUT ON THE STREETS!!!!

They take a great deal of pleasure in seeing people lose their jobs, while at the same time HURR HURR OBAMA TUUK ALL THERE JRRBS!!!!!!

642 Rightwingconspirator  Sep 5, 2014 10:41:21am

So way up top this is all about Brietbart.

But why let Huffpo off the hook?

Just clipped this minute…
Headline…
Hacker Succeeds In Breaking Into HealthCare.gov For First Time

A hacker broke into healthcare.gov and installed malicious software on one of its servers in the first successful breach of the health insurance exchange, federal officials said Thursday.

But…

No personal data were stolen from the Obamacare site as the hacker accessed only a test server that did not contain consumer information, according to Kevin Griffis, a senior adviser at the Department of Health and Human Services.

643 Skip Intro  Sep 5, 2014 10:41:33am

re: #634 WhatEVs

Come on. You’re not counting all those kids aged 7-16. Those able bodies mooches need to get off their asses!

//

Don’t forget the babies. We all know that while they’re in the womb, they’re precious little treasures.

Once they’re born, they immediately turn into worthless parasites whose only function is to suck money from the oppressed rich. The little bastards even get a free education, paid for by the oppressed rich, driving them to the brink of bankruptcy.

644 De Kolta Chair  Sep 5, 2014 10:42:09am

re: #639 HappyWarrior

You want a good argument for unions, look at the craft breweries that produce much better beer than the multinationals.

Much much better beer, but several multinational breweries are unionized.

645 WhatEVs  Sep 5, 2014 10:42:12am

re: #636 Gus

Speaking of the Huffington Post. Burp…

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You know how ducked up politics is when Glenn Beck is saying kinda good things.

I need a drink. I’m so confused.

646 b.d.  Sep 5, 2014 10:42:42am

That boy ain’t right…

647 Gus  Sep 5, 2014 10:43:03am

re: #645 WhatEVs

You know how ducked up politics is when Glenn Beck is saying kinda good things.

I need a drink. I’m so confused.

Glenn Beck can basically say anything.

648 HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2014 10:43:39am

re: #644 De Kolta Chair

Much much better beer, but several multinational breweries are unionized.

That’s right, my mistake.

649 WhatEVs  Sep 5, 2014 10:43:42am

re: #643 Skip Intro

Don’t forget the babies. We all know that while they’re in the womb, they’re precious little treasures.

Once they’re born, they immediately turn into worthless parasites whose only function is to suck money from the oppressed rich. The little bastards even get a free education, paid for by the oppressed rich, driving them to the brink of bankruptcy.

That summed it up nicely.

650 HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2014 10:44:14am

re: #646 b.d.

That boy ain’t right…

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What a poor widdle victim. Someone get him a conservative box of tissues.

651 Skip Intro  Sep 5, 2014 10:45:20am

re: #646 b.d.

That boy ain’t right…

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Does he do anything other than talk to himself?

652 EPR-radar  Sep 5, 2014 10:47:00am

re: #646 b.d.

Too bad CCJ is a late comer to the game of passing off lies as journalism. Rupert Murdoch has the monopoly, leaving everyone else to fight over not-very-lucrative scraps of the market.

653 Jack Burton  Sep 5, 2014 10:47:47am

re: #640 Backwoods_Sleuth

I asked Upchuck about this last night:

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Rule of Acquisition 98: Every man has his price.

654 De Kolta Chair  Sep 5, 2014 10:47:50am

re: #648 HappyWarrior

That’s right, my mistake.

Your heart’s in the right place, HappyWarrior.

655 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 5, 2014 10:48:17am

re: #626 Pie-onist Overlord

Jesus Freaking Christ these people are fucking insane

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One of my sisters is an LPN and she DESPISES unions, in particular, the union that she is “forced” to pay dues.
The fact that she has been able to pick and choose private duty assignments in addition to nursing home work in a major metropolitan area and get paid extremely well for decades completely eludes her logic.

656 ausador  Sep 5, 2014 10:48:34am

re: #613 Gus

Yeah. 92 million would be like 1/3rd of the nation.

They are using the number of Americans who are not in the labor force from the Bureau of labor statistics PDF here…

So they are counting every man, woman, teen, and baby who is not actively seeking employment in the country. This includes all students, all retirees, all children, all disabled, etc. etc….

657 danarchy  Sep 5, 2014 10:48:46am

re: #644 De Kolta Chair

Much much better beer, but several multinational breweries are unionized.

And many of the craft breweries are not.

658 ObserverArt  Sep 5, 2014 10:49:20am

Hey all…how’s your Friday’s going? Damn steamy here in Ohio today, but I am hearing storm-lead cool fronts a coming and high 70s tomorrow after some storms and rain.

You know, I have never seen the inside of a sewer line, but over the last few days I think Dim Jim and Chucky C. Johnson have given me a pretty good idea of the contents in one.

659 Gus  Sep 5, 2014 10:49:48am

re: #656 ausador

They are using the number of Americans who are not in the labor force from the Bureau of labor statistics PDF here…

So they are counting every man, woman, teen, and baby who is not actively seeking employment in the country. This includes all students, all retirees, all children, all disabled, etc. etc….

Why does Laura Ingraham not care about stay at home moms?

660 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 5, 2014 10:51:33am

re: #631 WhatEVs

No lying needed. I focus on achievements. You’ve done “volunteer” work as an advocate, for example. Bullet point tasks performed, list achievements. Skills (especially communication - oral and verbal) and playing nice with others, e.g., team player) can be highlighted.

This sort of experience works very well for appointment to government agency commissions. Some of those appointments are unpaid, but many do have a good stipend. And said appointments can make a huge impact on a resume.
Oh, and many times age is not a consideration.

661 De Kolta Chair  Sep 5, 2014 10:51:35am

re: #657 danarchy

And many of the craft breweries are not.

Well, they need to hop to it!

662 GeneJockey  Sep 5, 2014 10:51:48am

re: #641 Pie-onist Overlord

I remember that too. I was unemployed for 3 years and went back to work after the GM bailout because the entire auto industry breathed a big huge sigh of relief.

Now wingnuts point to salaried GM engineers (and by extension anyone who works at Ford or an automotive supplier) as being incompetent & worthless individuals WHO SHOULD BE OUT ON THE STREETS!!!!

They take a great deal of pleasure in seeing people lose their jobs, while at the same time HURR HURR OBAMA TUUK ALL THERE JRRBS!!!!!!

Hey, on the Challenger forum I started going to after buying mine, guys who own cars that wouldn’t exist without the bailout sometimes talk about how glad they’ll be when the Administration that made it possible is gone.

663 HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2014 10:53:04am

re: #654 De Kolta Chair

Your heart’s in the right place, HappyWarrior.

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I’m a beer snob can’t help it :).

664 Skip Intro  Sep 5, 2014 10:54:06am

Today in Dog News,

Surgery on ailing Great Dane yields 43 1/2 socks

I expect to see this image on DimJim’s sight as more evidence of what Michael Brown did to officer Wilson.

665 Pie-onist Overlord  Sep 5, 2014 10:54:15am

re: #662 GeneJockey

Hey, on the Challenger forum I started going to after buying mine, guys who own cars that wouldn’t exist without the bailout sometimes talk about how glad they’ll be when the Administration that made it possible is gone.

My boss regularly reads the F-150 forums to see who is “rolling coal” because that kind of modification can void the warranty.

666 Romantic Heretic  Sep 5, 2014 10:54:28am

re: #653 Jack Burton

Rule of Acquisition 98: Every man has his price.

Rule of Acquisition 99: That price is usually very low.

667 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Sep 5, 2014 10:54:29am

re: #657 danarchy

And many of the craft breweries are not.

yeah, was a bit disappointed to learn that most craft breweries are not unionized. They need to fix that.

668 b.d.  Sep 5, 2014 10:55:07am

re: #652 EPR-radar

Too bad CCJ is a late comer to the game of passing off lies as journalism. Rupert Murdoch has the monopoly, leaving everyone else to fight over not-very-lucrative scraps of the market.

That’s the thing, CCJ has to try and push the envelope in an industry that peddles lies, innuendos and dog whistles as newsworthy staples.

669 GeneJockey  Sep 5, 2014 10:55:08am

re: #659 Gus

Why does Laura Ingraham not care about stay at home moms?

Talk about a twofer! On the one hand, they can blame working mothers are for whatever perceived flaws the current cop of kids have, and on the other they can say stay-at-home mothers are the unemployed!

670 GeneJockey  Sep 5, 2014 10:56:47am

re: #665 Pie-onist Overlord

My boss regularly reads the F-150 forums to see who is “rolling coal” because that kind of modification can void the warranty.

That ‘rolling coal’ thing has to be THE DUMBEST thing I’ve seen ostensibly grown men do.

671 Bulworth  Sep 5, 2014 10:57:57am

re:
#646

Whoa we have a real badass here….

672 EPR-radar  Sep 5, 2014 10:59:54am

re: #670 GeneJockey

That ‘rolling coal’ thing has to be THE DUMBEST thing I’ve seen ostensibly grown men do.

What we really need to do is convince conservatives that breathing pisses off liberals.

673 sagehen  Sep 5, 2014 11:01:28am

re: #623 lawhawk

Yeah, and the plane now appears to have crossed into Cuban airspace.

Do we have any idea who’s on it?

674 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 5, 2014 11:01:36am

re: #665 Pie-onist Overlord

My boss regularly reads the F-150 forums to see who is “rolling coal” because that kind of modification can void the warranty.

I was at the post office in town last month and was parked behind a HUGE shiny new black Ford truck with a “Friends of Coal” Kentucky license plate.
Driver was an asshole.
My surprise face, let me it show to you…

675 WhatEVs  Sep 5, 2014 11:01:54am

re: #671 Bulworth

re:
#646

Whoa we have a real badass here….

Yup. Baddest kid in the playpen.

676 darthstar  Sep 5, 2014 11:08:55am

Obama’s a seekrit druid!

677 lawhawk  Sep 5, 2014 11:17:05am

re: #676 darthstar

OMG. He’s not wearing a suit and tie. IMPEACH!!!!! //////

And more to the point. He’s walking off the designated path!!! FIRE HIM!!! ////

678 Eventual Carrion  Sep 5, 2014 1:40:46pm

re: #661 De Kolta Chair

Well, they need to hop to it!

OMG, I can barley stand it.

679 Eventual Carrion  Sep 5, 2014 1:41:26pm

re: #664 Skip Intro

Today in Dog News,

Surgery on ailing Great Dane yields 43 1/2 socks

[Embedded image]

I expect to see this image on DimJim’s sight as more evidence of what Michael Brown did to officer Wilson.

He socked him!


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