Remember 9/11 - 13 Years Later

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I’ve written essentially the same opening each of the past few years. It’s still appropriate to remember today, as it was when I first wrote this:

September 11, 2001. New Yorkers were heading to the polls to vote in primary elections to determine the next mayor of the city. It was a morning full of promise and baseball fans were excited about the Yankees’ chances of making the playoffs, the Mets thinking about the future, and the start of the new football season. In other words, it was a day not unlike the ones we’ve experienced once again this year.

While everyone was focused on the day ahead, another group of people were thinking about the mission that would forever alter the skyline of NYC and alter history. Al Qaeda’s terrorists were already on board four jets bound for New York and Washington DC and had already overpowered the crews.

I was on a NJ Transit train with my dad when I first noticed something wrong at the WTC out of the corner of my eye; it was smoke coming from the upper reaches of the tower.

It was just around 8:45.

The world changed, and I didn’t quite realize it. No one did.

People watching the morning news didn’t know it either at first. But they would soon be glued to broadcasts that showed the horrors of the worst terror attacks ever perpetrated.

The damage done on that morning was nearly impossible to comprehend. In the mere blink of the eye, nearly 3,000 people were condemned to death and the World Trade Center would soon be reduced to a pile of rubble that would burn for weeks on end. Reports would come in that a third plane had struck and damaged the Pentagon. But the death rattle of the Twin Towers would continue for just under two hours and victims trapped above the fires had to make the choice to stay and choke on the heat and smoke or jump to a certain death. All too many make that decision to jump. Firefighters on the ground also succumbed before the towers fell - falling debris hitting firefighters and fleeing people alike.

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Victim Number One would be there to comfort those who fell. Rev. Mychal Judge of the FDNY was comforting fallen firefighters and office workers alike when he was struck and killed by debris. So many people inside the Department and around the City thought so highly of him that he was honored as the first victim of the attacks - so that he could comfort and aid all those many others who were murdered on that day - to guide them to Heaven.

All too many would unfortunately follow him - and not by their own choice.

Here are remembrances of a few of those killed on 9/11, as written by my friend legalbgl for Project 2,996:

Steven Harris Russin (2014).
Lt. Col. Jerry Don Dickerson Jr. (2013).
Mary Lenz Wieman (2012).
Mark Francis Broderick (2011).
Captain Patrick J. Brown (2010).
Hagay Shefi (2009).
Alison Marie Wildman (2008).
Daniel Thomas Afflito (2007).

By happenstance, I happened to come across Hagay Shefi’s name, which was found on the North Memorial Pool:
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Stephen Siller, whose name is memorialized in the annual Tunnel to Towers Run to raise funds for responders.

He’s also memorialized at the Staten Island 9/11 Memorial thusly:

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Stephen Siller’s memorial on Staten Island

Coming full circle, on May 1, 2011, the United States finally caught up with Osama Bin Laden in Pakistan. In a daring raid on a compound near Pakistan’s military academy, US special forces killed bin Laden and captured a treasure trove of intel. That’s small consolation for the thousands of families and friends who still grieve the senseless murder of their loved ones in New York, Washington DC at the Pentagon, and in Shanksville, Pennsylvania. The profound loss is a heavy burden on all those who were there and on those who lost loved ones.

Local commemorations are already underway and will continue through the week throughout the region. In fact, this is the first year that the WTC Museum will be open on 9/11. The museum has not opened without controversy. There’s the question of the incredibly high cost for entry, the tacky gifts included in the gift shop, potentially locating restaurants in the museum, and lawsuits filed over the installation of the WTC cross. The cost to entry is still too high (it should be free) and the lawsuits to block the installation of the WTC cross, which were filed by an atheist group, lost.

Part of the reason that the WTC Museum charges fees is that it’s a private foundation operating the site. They have to deal with security and overhead of the facility, which is quite significant. I’ve long called for the National Park Service to take over and that this would necessarily reduce the overall costs and improve the accessibility to the site. While I don’t need to be able to visit the museum myself, the museum is for those who weren’t even born yet or understood what actually happened at the WTC site on 9/11 and the weeks, months, and years that followed. The museum should be free for all to come and bear witness to the events. This should be a no-brainer, and yet no one can agree on making that happen.

Meanwhile, the federal government created the James Zadroga health and compensation fund because of the ongoing health concerns of those who carried out relief and recovery efforts at Ground Zero. More people continue to seek assistance via the program, including those emergency responders who came from across the country to spell the FDNY and NYPD and PAPD in the grim task of recovering the remains of those murdered. The Zadroga Act wasn’t perfect by any means and it has come too late for some, but it’s a start to compensate and aid families of responders who are suffering from all manner of ailments attributed to Ground Zero exposure. The Act is scheduled to sunset unless it is reauthorized, and given the dysfunction in Washington, it can’t be taken for granted that it would be continued.

Construction at the site doesn’t dominate the front pages of local papers as it used to, as construction is nearing the end on several portions of the site. The entire Western side of Ground Zero is now essentially built out - between the Memorial, Museum, and 1WTC.

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The South Memorial Pool looking towards 4WTC.

1WTC (aka the Freedom Tower) has finally recaptured part of the skyline and is regarded as the tallest skyscraper in North America at 1,776 feet. 1WTC is set to open later this year even as work continues around its base.

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Looking down Fulton Street from West Street towards Church across the WTC. 1WTC is on the left, and the memorial to the right.

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The North and East sides of 1WTC

Construction of the Transit Hub is also underway, and Santiago Calatrava’s design shows its final form, even as the cost pushes past a staggering $4 billion. That’s nearly $2 billion over the original budget estimate, and the costs associated with this has sapped the Port Authority’s ability to build new infrastructure in the region, which is its core mission. Instead, the agency has poured billions into a project that doesn’t add any cross-river capacity.

External ImageThe WTC PATH transit hub with nearly 50% of the spikes installed. Every day, the structure looks more and more like a stegosaurus. The structure on the left is 3WTC, which just saw construction restarted this past week. To give a sense of size, the tips of the spikes are probably 10-15 stories tall at their peak and extend out from the main structure by 50-75 feet at their widest points.

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One of the tower cranes preparing to hoist one of the ribs into its final location on the north side of the transit hub.

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Work continuing on the PATH transit hub.

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The North Memorial Pool looking towards the PATH transit center.

The price does provide for a lot of marble though.

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The mezzanine level for the PATH terminal; there is marble as far as the eye can see.

The Port Authority has announced that they expect the transit hub to be open by the end of next year. I personally don’t see it happening, unless the Port Authority will open it the way the MTA has done at the Fulton Center. I fully expect that sections will be closed off for construction to continue as the main transit hall is largely available.

So, while the hub will be visually interesting and definitely become a photographer’s favorite, the problem with the PATH transit hub and all that spending is that it doesn’t exactly add capacity to the system. The Port Authority is fudging the figures so as to claim that 250,000 pedestrians will use the transit hub daily. That’s not exactly true. 35,000 people use PATH daily in and out of the WTC. The rest are people who the Port Authority expects to visit the mall being built as part of the hub, and the people who are working in 1WTC and 4WTC as those spaces are filled out. 250,000 people are not going to be taking PATH daily.

4WTC is nearly done, though I’m surprised that there’s an exterior lift still attached to the south side of the building. Even 1WTC has been buttoned up, and it was topped out after 4WTC. That’s odd to say the least, but tenants are supposed to be moving in there next month. Maybe.

2 WTC remains a stub, and construction has finally resumed at 3WTC after Larry Silverstein finally secured financing and other commitments to build out the building that had reached about 10 stories before grinding to a halt. Silverstein signed GroupM to lease 500,000 square feet of space in the tower, which enabled the developer to move ahead and secure additional financing from the Port Authority. That financing raised questions from some, who thought this was a giveaway but ignores that this was a loan guarantee - the agency wasn’t actually putting the money up. The only way the Port Authority loses on the deal is if Silverstein defaults, which isn’t likely to happen.

Lagging behind all the other structures is the Vehicle Security Center that runs along the south side of the WTC and which was previously occupied by the former Deutsche Bank building. There’s a new platform and entrance area being built for vehicles servicing the WTC complex, but it’s years behind schedule and over budget (like everything else at the WTC).

Much of the fault for the slow pace of rebuilding is the result of Port Authority actions and omissions to limit cost increases, especially when it comes to the transit hub and the delays in building led to still more costs incurred. In order to complete construction of the memorial in time for the 10th anniversary, the Port Authority needed to spend $500 million more on the transit hub to build out the memorial while the site was erected around the transit links.

At the same time, the Fulton Center, which is a block East of the WTC site is nearly open, and will eventually link to the PATH transit hub via the Dey Street connector, and ultimately those working at the World Financial Center (Brookfield Place) would be able to access Fulton Center without having to travel outside. It’s likely to be opened in time for when 4WTC is fully opened for business.

The skyline will never be the same. Neither will our hearts, which are heavy with the loss and supreme sacrifices made on 9/11 by the rescue personnel who bravely rushed up the towers even as people were racing to get out of the towers or gasping as people were forced to jump to their deaths to avoid being burned alive in the fires that racked the towers.

We remember.

The media will be out as usual. The Memorial is busy preparing the site for the memorial service and the media is getting set up. These photos were taken on September 10, 2014:

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PIX11 news van at corner of Church and Vesey.

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NYPD security barriers being arranged ahead of tomorrow’s events.

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Flags being hung from 3WTC

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Preparations for the memorial services underway.

This year Century21, the department store whose main location is across from the WTC and which was badly damaged by the attacks, has unveiled a building wrap in time for tomorrow:

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Century21 department store doing a full block wrap

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The Century21 Department Store installing a full-block wrap on their Church Street frontage.

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What the Century21 wrap will look like when done.

We remember.

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The Tribute in Light

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Reaching towards infinity


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The view of Lower Manhattan from the Staten Island 9/11 Memorial at St. George.

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Looking across the Hudson River from Hoboken.

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For my prior year recollections and postings, see September 11, 2013, September 11, 2012, 10 Years Later, September 11, 2010, September 11, 2009, September 11, 2008, September 11, 2007, September 11, 2006, and September 11, 2005.

Cross Posted at A Blog for All.

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215 comments
1 PhillyPretzel  Sep 10, 2014 6:25:28pm

I remember that day too well. I say that because I still remember what I wore to work that day and remember what a co-worker said that started a whole cascade of events at work. From when Teresa came in and said, “A plane flew into the World Trade Center” to when we were dismissed from work to go home. At home I checked in with my dad to tell him I was home and okay. I still remember seeing on the television Queen Elizabeth II going into Westminster Abbey and hearing the Star Spangled Banner instead of G-d Save the Queen. It is one of those days you never forget.

2 Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 10, 2014 6:40:23pm

Phenomenal post. Recommend for promotion.

3 Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 10, 2014 6:42:10pm

Oddly one of my moist poignant memories of 9/11 is how beautiful and perfectly clear it was that morning. I remember how peaceful everything seemed in the wee hours before the world caved in.

4 elizajane  Sep 10, 2014 9:45:29pm

As the recent ISIS beheading videos have reminded us, a lot of the power rests in the visuals. If it weren’t for that, terrorist acts would have much less impact.

On 9/11, I didn’t own a television set. I heard the reports on NPR and I knew that this was a bad thing, but it didn’t actually upset me. I went to work and at my office the staff said, “Are you cancelling your class this morning?”
I said, “Of course not! Why would I do that?”
They said, “Most people have cancelled their classes.”
So at the beginning of my lecture (for which about 2/3 of the class showed up) I said, “The terrorists want to disrupt our lives. That’s what they’re about — making us frightened, making us change what we do. To stay with our normal routine is to defeat them.”
Something like that.
I got a lot of credit for being so brave and stalwart but frankly I was just blind. I didn’t see, literally, what they had all seen. Later that day, when I saw a broadcast of the towers falling, I was horrified.

5 CuriousLurker  Sep 11, 2014 2:38:11am

re: #2 Eclectic Cyborg

Phenomenal post. Recommend for promotion.

Seconded—this should be on the front page.

Great work (and a lot of it), lawhawk!

6 Bulworth  Sep 11, 2014 5:13:55am

Thanks for this, Lawhawk.

I was in D.C. that day, just another day on the federal job.

What sticks in my mind the most is, after we were sent home, I headed for the metro wondering if it was even operating or how long it might take to get home and whether the system would be overwhelmed with bedlam, fleeing people, chaos.

It wasn’t. A train soon came and those of us on the platform filed on. It was standing room only but not packed uncomfortably. The train proceeded to the usual destinations without interuption. Those of us crowded into the train car were surprisingly good natured to one another. There was no sign of outward panic on people’s faces or manners. Maybe it was because the reality hadn’t set in yet, the scope of the AQ conspiracy that had set that day’s events in motion weren’t known. Nor did we know yet the scope of the tragedy for the people in the towers. Maybe we hoped most had escaped.

I was still living in an apartment then, one that didn’t allow pets. That Winter I would move to an apartment that did and would adopt for first cat since living in the DC area. I still have that cat even as I have adopted many more, some of whom have passed over the Rainbow Bridge and I now live in a house I’ve owned for 11 years.

7 lawhawk  Sep 11, 2014 5:47:33am

Thanks for the comments. One of the things you might notice is that I don’t post photos of people or their reactions, particularly during 9/11 anniversaries itself.

There are a lot of families and friends of those who were murdered that day, and I just don’t want to intrude on these private moments. There’s a lot of grief bound up by families and friends relating to that day, and giving them space is the right thing to do for me.

As I walked around the WTC this morning, there were a lot of things I took in, besides the security cordons and extra police (who were there both to commemorate the events and to provide additional security).

There were the infowars nuts at Vesey and Church handing out nonsensical flyers (and no I didn’t take them because I might get arrested for slugging them - and there were about a half dozen wearing infowars t-shirts).

There’s supposed to be a Westboro Baptist contingent protesting the 9/11 museum.

There’s also assorted conspiracy nuts handing out flyers at random intervals.

But mostly, there are people who are staring out at the WTC complex and taking it all in.

And I put the camera away and let them do so without my intrusion.

8 Dr. Matt  Sep 11, 2014 6:56:44am

FYI. Everything is center formatted and the font is smaller than usual. Something has gone wonky on this thread.

9 lawhawk  Sep 11, 2014 7:01:46am

re: #8 Dr. Matt

I noticed that too, and I’m trying to fix it (and I suspect Charles is trying to do the same). I’ll let Charles fix it from here on out.

10 Pie-onist Overlord  Sep 11, 2014 7:01:51am

re: #8 Dr. Matt

FYI. Everything is center formatted and the font is smaller than usual. Something has gone wonky on this thread.

Reload.

11 Schadenboner  Sep 11, 2014 7:04:14am

re: #4 elizajane

As the recent ISIS beheading videos have reminded us, a lot of the power rests in the visuals. If it weren’t for that, terrorist acts would have much less impact.

On 9/11, I didn’t own a television set. I heard the reports on NPR and I knew that this was a bad thing, but it didn’t actually upset me. I went to work and at my office the staff said, “Are you cancelling your class this morning?”
I said, “Of course not! Why would I do that?”
They said, “Most people have cancelled their classes.”
So at the beginning of my lecture (for which about 2/3 of the class showed up) I said, “The terrorists want to disrupt our lives. That’s what they’re about — making us frightened, making us change what we do. To stay with our normal routine is to defeat them.”
Something like that.
I got a lot of credit for being so brave and stalwart but frankly I was just blind. I didn’t see, literally, what they had all seen. Later that day, when I saw a broadcast of the towers falling, I was horrified.

An interesting post. If you had seen the visuals do you think you would have canceled?

12 Franklin  Sep 11, 2014 7:07:04am

@lawhawk Excellent post!!

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typo here: Construction at the site doesn’t *domination

13 lawhawk  Sep 11, 2014 7:08:53am

re: #12 Franklin

Fixed.

14 wheat-dogghazi  Sep 11, 2014 7:10:13am

I visited the 9/11 Memorial when I was in NYC last month. It was at the top of my to-do list. Seeing all those names inscribed in around the pools, and the memorial wall nearby for the firefighters who fell was moving and sobering. It was a clear and sunny day, rather like 9/11/01 was. Not to compete with lawhawk, I’d like to offer a couple of my images from my visit.

Memorial rose

Contemplation

15 lawhawk  Sep 11, 2014 7:11:54am

re: #14 wheat-dogghazi

Certainly not competing, nor do I see it as such.

BTW, the white roses are placed by the Memorial Foundation on names when it would have been that person’s birthday.

16 lawhawk  Sep 11, 2014 7:13:01am
17 Charles Johnson  Sep 11, 2014 7:15:42am
18 HappyWarrior  Sep 11, 2014 7:19:29am

re: #17 Charles Johnson

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Stay classy assholes.

19 HappyWarrior  Sep 11, 2014 7:19:38am

re: #16 lawhawk

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Beautiful image.

20 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 11, 2014 7:19:45am
21 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 11, 2014 7:21:06am
22 wheat-dogghazi  Sep 11, 2014 7:25:21am

It’s not evident from my shot, but the young man was slowly walking along, running his fingers ever so gently over the names in bronze as he read them.

23 Schadenboner  Sep 11, 2014 7:26:06am

re: #16 lawhawk

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I don’t mean to go all Godwin or anything, but I still can’t see anything but the Cathedral of Light whenever I see that.

24 thedopefishlives  Sep 11, 2014 7:27:14am

Morning Lizardim from the cloudy and cold wild north country. 13 years ago this morning, it was neither cloudy, nor cold, nor was I in the wild north country. It seems like an age of the world has gone by since then; I have children who have not known the horror of those graphic images that we all watched, together, though we never knew each other. Perhaps a family vacation to New York will be in order someday. How go things among the lizardfolk on this day of solemn remembrance?

25 Pie-onist Overlord  Sep 11, 2014 7:30:26am

Wasn’t there supposed to be a 2 MILLION BIKERS RIDE TO WASHINGTON today? Or was that last year when like 20 people showed up.

26 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Sep 11, 2014 7:31:06am

re: #25 Pie-onist Overlord

Wasn’t there supposed to be a 2 MILLION BIKERS RIDE TO WASHINGTON today? Or was that last year when like 20 people showed up.

They’re there, just very small. The nanobikers.

27 b_sharp  Sep 11, 2014 7:36:29am

{{{{My friends}}}}

28 Pie-onist Overlord  Sep 11, 2014 7:37:39am

Welp, our company picnic is scheduled for this afternoon.

29 Skip Intro  Sep 11, 2014 7:38:34am

It’s already 9/12 on the Kindle version of the SF Chronicle.

30 sffilk  Sep 11, 2014 7:41:53am

It took me a long while to post what I remember about that day. Here’s what I wrote.

31 Pie-onist Overlord  Sep 11, 2014 7:43:27am

YEP:

32 ObserverArt  Sep 11, 2014 7:44:33am

Sigh.

Really nothing to offer. Too depressing. Nice job lawhawk.

33 Iwouldprefernotto  Sep 11, 2014 7:48:02am

Obama’s poll numbers are low, but I’m willing to bet that he would beat any Republican in an election held today.

34 McSpiff  Sep 11, 2014 7:52:29am

Hard to believe it’s been thirteen years. I was in Jr High then, I still remember kids being randomly pulled out of class before the school basically shutdown, followed by a special assembly announcing what happened. The kids who had been pulled out all had parents that were in NYC (some scheduled to have meetings in the towers, others at the UN, etc) and who couldn’t be reached by spouses. Amazingly all were fine, although we’d later find out 26 Canadians had been killed. While clearly an attack on America, it truly did affect every country in the world. NYC is just that kind of city.

One positive experience for me was getting to meet and interact with people from all over the world in my neighborhood as thousands of stranded passengers were billeted in local homes following Operation Yellow Ribbon, as dozens of transatlantic flights were diverted following the closure of American airspace. In particular, one Swiss family that stayed with our neighbors stand out as possibly some of the nicest people I’ve ever met. As far as I know, they still send cards and presents every Christmas as a Thank You.

35 Franklin  Sep 11, 2014 7:57:46am
36 Pie-onist Overlord  Sep 11, 2014 7:58:50am

My grandson was born on Sept 7, 2001. I had bought an airline ticket to fly in to New York for his bris on Sept. 15. Could not go because all flights out of DTW were still cancelled.

Sunday we are attending his Bar Mitzvah in Toronto.

37 William Barnett-Lewis  Sep 11, 2014 8:03:00am

So as I start reading this, what does my local NPR station play? Samuel Barber’s Adagio for Strings. I don’t think there is a more depressing piece of music in the Western canon with the associations it has come to hold. It’s beautiful but in a very real way I’m tired of it after 13 years.

Probably should go put on Fauré’s Requiem. Probably the most gentle & uplifting Requiem Mass ever set to music it has hope instead of sadness and that’s what I could use today.

38 Rightwingconspirator  Sep 11, 2014 8:06:36am

So Oscar Pistorius not guilty of murder?! That’s a surprise.
cnn.com

39 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 11, 2014 8:07:14am

I was walking into the local courthouse for the first day of jury duty.
When we were released for the day, I stopped at the local newspaper office where they were listening to the news. I then continued my mile-long walk back to the farmers market, which was devoid of people other than MrBWS and another farmer vender.
The main thing I remember is how quiet the skies were, except for military helicopters patrolling the Ohio River (the location of several very large coal-powered power plants).
I didn’t see any visuals until we got home that afternoon. I didn’t turn the TV back on again for at least a week.

40 Dr. Matt  Sep 11, 2014 8:10:11am

re: #38 Rightwingconspirator

So Oscar Pistorius not guilty of murder?! That’s a surprise.
cnn.com

Was the judge from Florida?

41 Decatur Deb  Sep 11, 2014 8:10:40am

re: #37 William Barnett-Lewis

So as I start reading this, what does my local NPR station play? Samuel Barber’s Adagio for Strings. I don’t think there is a more depressing piece of music in the Western canon with the associations it has come to hold. It’s beautiful but in a very real way I’m tired of it after 13 years.

Probably should go put on Fauré’s Requiem. Probably the most gentle & uplifting Requiem Mass ever set to music it has hope instead of sadness and that’s what I could use today.

Allegri’s Miserere. First heard it on a car radio (NPR) near Tuscon, and pulled over until it was finished.

42 McSpiff  Sep 11, 2014 8:11:48am

One thing I totally forgot I still have at my parent’s place.. copy of a bunch of newspaper from 9/12. For an otherwise dumb kid, gotta give myself some credit for at least having that much awareness of the magnitude of what happened.

43 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Sep 11, 2014 8:12:15am

re: #40 Dr. Matt

Was the judge from Florida?

If she were, she wouldn’t have thought of writing something like

Pistorius could have taken other actions when he thought there was an intruder, she said. “All the accused had to do was to pick up his cell phone to call security or the police,” she said.
“He could have run to the balcony and screamed in the same way he screamed after the incident,” she added, noting that Pistorius called security after the incident and could have done so when he heard what he thought was an intruder.

44 William Barnett-Lewis  Sep 11, 2014 8:12:52am

re: #38 Rightwingconspirator

So Oscar Pistorius not guilty of murder?! That’s a surprise.
cnn.com

Sounds to me the judge is going to go for some flavor of manslaughter. I’d say it should be intentional but “because” I’ll bet on negligent and that he gets a very short term.

45 Dr Lizardo  Sep 11, 2014 8:13:54am

I was living in Prague when it happened, so it would’ve been in the afternoon here. I’d received an SMS from another American saying a plane had hit the WTC, and I assumed something like a Cessna or a Lear jet or whatnot. I was going up the stairs to my apartment when my ex-wife (girlfriend at the time) called me and said “You might want to turn on the TV”. So I went in and switched on the TV and it was a live feed from BBC, in English, unprecedented for ČT1. Quite the shock to say the least.

It took several more hours before I was finally able to get through to my parents, who were still alive at the time. They were on the West Coast, but my dad, always an early bird, had seen it live on TV owing to the fact that he was up so early.

I later went to the center of Prague, and people everywhere were glued to televisions playing in the innumerable bars and restaurants - by then, Czech TV was back to broadcasting in Czech, but some of the places were showing CNN and BBC.

One hell of a day.

46 Snarknado!  Sep 11, 2014 8:13:55am

re: #33 Iwouldprefernotto

Obama’s poll numbers are low, but I’m willing to bet that he would beat any Republican in an election held today.

His “career low” is higher than the lows of (I think) every previous president since they started polling. His numbers have been rising lately.

Of course there are still a couple of years to go.

47 William Barnett-Lewis  Sep 11, 2014 8:15:21am

re: #41 Decatur Deb

Allegri’s Miserere. First heard it on a car radio (NPR) near Tuscon, and pulled over until it was finished.

Oh… Oh, yes…

48 Lidane  Sep 11, 2014 8:16:01am

Historical perspective, there is none:

Staver: Obama’s America Is Worse Than Nazi Germany

49 Mattand  Sep 11, 2014 8:17:33am

re: #7 lawhawk

Good job. Well written.

50 Feline Fearless Leader  Sep 11, 2014 8:18:13am

re: #46 Snarknado!

His “career low” is higher than the lows of (I think) every previous president since they started polling. his numbers have been rising lately.

Of course there are still a couple of years to go.

To a certain extent I’m not sure I want to see a “popular” President. That would imply a complete dough-face in office that is doing nothing, or some event unifying the country that would by default be horrifying in scope and effect.

51 Snarknado!  Sep 11, 2014 8:18:24am

re: #48 Lidane

Historical perspective, there is none:

Staver: Obama’s America Is Worse Than Nazi Germany

Hey, if you were a gentile white male in Nazi Germany (and not in the army…)

<spits>

52 Decatur Deb  Sep 11, 2014 8:18:30am

re: #47 William Barnett-Lewis

Oh… Oh, yes…

Mention the Miserere, and in 5 minutes we get a new lizard named …Mozart. Coincidence? I think not.

53 Bulworth  Sep 11, 2014 8:19:29am

re:
#48

Paging Jim Dim Hoft…..

From previous thread—

Sixth-Grade Teacher Forced to Apologize Over Bush-Hitler Assignment (Video) t.co via @gatewaypundit
— Jim Hoft (@gatewaypundit) September 11, 2014

54 Feline Fearless Leader  Sep 11, 2014 8:19:39am

re: #52 Decatur Deb

Mention the Miserere, and in 5 minutes we get a new lizard named …Mozart. Coincidence? I think not.

It’s a cat!

Time to enter more comments on LGF

55 Snarknado!  Sep 11, 2014 8:20:04am

re: #50 Feline Fearless Leader

To a certain extent I’m not sure I want to see a “popular” President. That would imply a complete dough-face in office that is doing nothing, or some event unifying the country that would by default be horrifying in scope and effect.

I do my best to ignore popularity polls.

56 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Sep 11, 2014 8:20:49am

re: #48 Lidane

Historical perspective, there is none:

Staver: Obama’s America Is Worse Than Nazi Germany

I suppose it makes sense if you think that fetuses are full-blown human persons. Which only underscores the sheer craziness of the idea.

57 Lidane  Sep 11, 2014 8:20:49am

re: #50 Feline Fearless Leader

To a certain extent I’m not sure I want to see a “popular” President. That would imply a complete dough-face in office that is doing nothing, or some event unifying the country that would by default be horrifying in scope and effect.

Or it’s Bill Clinton after his impeachment.

58 thedopefishlives  Sep 11, 2014 8:21:42am

re: #39 Backwoods_Sleuth

I was walking into the local courthouse for the first day of jury duty.
When we were released for the day, I stopped at the local newspaper office where they were listening to the news. I then continued my mile-long walk back to the farmers market, which was devoid of people other than MrBWS and another farmer vender.
The main thing I remember is how quiet the skies were, except for military helicopters patrolling the Ohio River (the location of several very large coal-powered power plants).
I didn’t see any visuals until we got home that afternoon. I didn’t turn the TV back on again for at least a week.

At the time, I lived in the shadow of one of O’Hare’s flight paths. The skies being completely empty of planes was absolutely eerie. September 11, 2001 was a brilliantly sunny and clear day, and without the contrails it almost looked unnatural.

59 brennant  Sep 11, 2014 8:22:04am

Oddly, I woke up about the same time I did on Sept. 11, 2001 and turned on the TV to see the same thing (except now it is on replay via MSNBC). Brought back the exact same feeling.

60 Pie-onist Overlord  Sep 11, 2014 8:24:57am

Somebody is grumpy

61 Decatur Deb  Sep 11, 2014 8:26:13am

re: #60 Pie-onist Overlord

Somebody is grumpy

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If he’d RTFM, he’d know about the ‘off’ button.

62 Feline Fearless Leader  Sep 11, 2014 8:27:22am

re: #60 Pie-onist Overlord

Somebody is grumpy

They should switch to CNN to see the latest breaking news update on Flight MH370.
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63 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Sep 11, 2014 8:28:34am

Look, another Republican JAQ-off:

Ready said he only put that link up because he called for open discussion. “I don’t think (the Sandy Hook shootings have) been proven. And what’s wrong with open discussion?”

dailykos.com

64 thedopefishlives  Sep 11, 2014 8:29:54am

re: #63 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

I don’t understand how people can think like this. I mean that literally: There are DEAD PEOPLE that are PROOF of the event in question (9/11, Sandy Hook, Boston Marathon, etc.) How in the HELL can someone think that it didn’t happen?

65 Lidane  Sep 11, 2014 8:30:01am
66 Pie-onist Overlord  Sep 11, 2014 8:30:55am

re: #64 thedopefishlives

I don’t understand how people can think like this. I mean that literally: There are DEAD PEOPLE that are PROOF of the event in question (9/11, Sandy Hook, Boston Marathon, etc.) How in the HELL can someone think that it didn’t happen?

These are people who allow Alex Jones to live inside their heads.

67 Decatur Deb  Sep 11, 2014 8:32:01am

re: #64 thedopefishlives

I don’t understand how people can think like this. I mean that literally: There are DEAD PEOPLE that are PROOF of the event in question (9/11, Sandy Hook, Boston Marathon, etc.) How in the HELL can someone think that it didn’t happen?

Someone, somewhere, believes anything that can be reduced to words. And now they have wifi.

68 CarolJ  Sep 11, 2014 8:32:33am

Sometimes I think Truthers are worse than even Birthers. Truthers get into the face of victims who are mourning their real dead-anyone who lost a loved one who doesn’t have a grave for them is at the site today. Just for today folks, can’t you give it a rest?

And we haven’t even covered the injured, the folks who barely escaped with their lives, or the folks who were okay but lost jobs.

Yes, I know some of you are suspicious, but let’s face it. Bush’s culpability (and the culpablility of other agencies) was due to laziness and disbelief, not deliberate. A lot of people feel guilt that they didn’t or couldn’t do more to prevent this.

Put the blame on bin Laden and his associates.

At least the Birthers don’t follow Obama around on a day like this.

69 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Sep 11, 2014 8:34:31am

re: #64 thedopefishlives

Well, remember how Strelkov mused about the possibility that MH17 was a hoax plane full of bloodless corpses? His excuse though is that he’s the responsible criminal trying to muddy the waters. What excuse do these people have?

70 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Sep 11, 2014 8:35:48am

re: #65 Lidane

Stay classy, 9/11 Troofers:

Truthers commemorate 9/11 with Times Square ad showing WTC 7 imploding on infinite loop

Assholes.

The real assholes are those who allowed the ads to be run.

71 Decatur Deb  Sep 11, 2014 8:36:59am

re: #70 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

The real assholes are those who allowed the ads to be run.

The Invisible Dicks of the marketplace.

72 makeitstop  Sep 11, 2014 8:38:31am

re: #65 Lidane

Stay classy, 9/11 Troofers:

Truthers commemorate 9/11 with Times Square ad showing WTC 7 imploding on infinite loop

Assholes.

Part of the reason why I kinda hate this day.

I closed the Facebook tab. Between the anti-Obama derp and troofer bullshit, I hit my limit way early today.

73 Pie-onist Overlord  Sep 11, 2014 8:38:33am

Wingnuts keep posting this shit:
3,000 Americans died on 9/11 & 4,000 more from his fake war
HURR HURR HE’S ARE HEROE!!!!!!

74 Pie-onist Overlord  Sep 11, 2014 8:38:55am

I’m turning off Twitters for the rest of the day.

75 Lidane  Sep 11, 2014 8:40:41am

re: #74 Pie-onist Overlord

Today I’m grateful for the fact that both FB and Twitter are blocked at work.

76 sffilk  Sep 11, 2014 8:40:58am

re: #36 Pie-onist Overlord

My grandson was born on Sept 7, 2001. I had bought an airline ticket to fly in to New York for his bris on Sept. 15. Could not go because all flights out of DTW were still cancelled.

Sunday we are attending his Bar Mitzvah in Toronto.

Mazal tov!

77 ObserverArt  Sep 11, 2014 8:41:25am

re: #33 Iwouldprefernotto

Obama’s poll numbers are low, but I’m willing to bet that he would beat any Republican in an election held today.

You got me to thinking about poll numbers…so I did some searching to see if there were comparisons.

Presidential Approval Highs and Lows

Very Interesting, especially when you compare St. Reagan to Pres Obama

78 Varek Raith  Sep 11, 2014 8:42:44am

Dammit, why am I arguing with truthers?
Sigh.

79 Bulworth  Sep 11, 2014 8:43:35am

re:
#73

Sheri Allen - Age 12

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80 De Kolta Chair  Sep 11, 2014 8:44:12am

America, pre-bin Laden

81 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Sep 11, 2014 8:44:39am

re: #78 Varek Raith

Dammit, why am I arguing with truthers?
Sigh.

Where?

82 thedopefishlives  Sep 11, 2014 8:44:43am

re: #78 Varek Raith

Dammit, why am I arguing with truthers?
Sigh.

I do it too (I still hang out at the forum formerly known as JREF and bang on Twoofers from time to time). I know it’s a futile effort from a “convincing them” standpoint - after 13 years, there’s absolutely no way any Twoofer who still believes is going to give up their delusions. Honestly, right now it’s just part therapeutic and part a mental check.

83 Bulworth  Sep 11, 2014 8:44:45am

re:
#73

Sheri Allen - Age 12

My boyfriend (heart heart) is way cuter than your loser BF you loser!!!!!1

84 Lancelot Link  Sep 11, 2014 8:44:47am

re: #73 Pie-onist Overlord

I think she means “I’m reminded today of what a cheerleader in the White House looks like.”

85 Varek Raith  Sep 11, 2014 8:46:10am

re: #81 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

Where?

rawstory.com

86 Eventual Carrion  Sep 11, 2014 8:46:37am

My memory of the day. I was out back of my office having a smoke and coffee. I hear a plane coming over the hill, very loud. As it cleared the hill I saw it was a jet liner very low (maybe 2000 - 3000 feet). I finished my cig and went inside. I told my buddy about it and he said there was something going on in New York. We went into the training room to turn on the TV and there were already a few operations personal in there with the news on. That was when I learned about what had just happened. The rest of the day was radio and TV reports of the goings on in New York, and then reports of Shanksville (about 2.5 hour drive south east of where I was) and the Pentagon. A terrible day of not knowing what to believe was happening.

87 ObserverArt  Sep 11, 2014 8:47:26am

re: #74 Pie-onist Overlord

I’m turning off Twitters for the rest of the day.

Maybe you’ll find out you can turn off the twitters forevers.

(Not a criticism…I just can’t handle the immediate idiocy. Stuff is bad enough when people have some time to give things some thought!)

88 lawhawk  Sep 11, 2014 8:48:17am
89 Varek Raith  Sep 11, 2014 8:48:52am

Ok, I’m done with that nonsense.

90 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Sep 11, 2014 8:48:57am

re: #85 Varek Raith

Thanks. BTW, I have this forest nearby, if you want to argue with trees.
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91 Varek Raith  Sep 11, 2014 8:49:13am

re: #88 lawhawk

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WTF.

92 Varek Raith  Sep 11, 2014 8:49:40am

re: #90 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

Thanks. BTW, I have this forest nearby, if you want to argue with trees.
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I know.
I don’t know why I can’t help but take that bait.
Sigh…

93 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 11, 2014 8:53:21am

No. Words.
None.

94 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Sep 11, 2014 8:53:59am

I really wish MSNBC wouldn’t replay the news of that day every year. I get that we shouldn’t forget but honestly I lived it, I don’t need to hear it all again. I still remember where I was, what I was doing, how that day unfolded.

Hearing it all replayed every year just makes me tear up and want to punch things again and again.

95 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Sep 11, 2014 8:54:13am

Not surprisingly, 9/11 troof and the Holocaust denial intersect. E.g. one of the (formerly) leading deniers Germar Rudolf published the article entitled “Cell Phone Experiments in Airliners”. You can guess what that was about.

96 lawhawk  Sep 11, 2014 8:54:13am

re: #91 Varek Raith

Someone threw one or two molotov cocktails into the Kansas City office of Congressman Emmauel Cleaver. Neither detonated, luckily, and the bomb squad and LEOs are investigating.

Police officers tell us security footage could be the best option they have to catch who did it. However, the cameras may be pointed toward the front of the building rather than the side where the bottles were thrown.

Originally, it was a security alarm that notified police something was wrong.

Geoff Jolley, development director at Cleaver’s Kansas City office, told 41 Action News he’s glad the explosive devices failed and left little damage behind in the office building.

Officers also checked the congressman’s other office locations in Independence and Higginsville, Mo. They did not find any signs of arson or vandalism there.

97 William Barnett-Lewis  Sep 11, 2014 8:55:52am

i remember that there was a B-17 in town that weekend. I don’t remember which one, but they held a dance on Saturday night (excellent swing band was there, a bit of Ellington, a bit of Basie & a lot of Goodman). They sold flights on Sunday and Monday ( I stopped by and took pictures. Can’t find the negs right now :( ) and planned to leave Tuesday but got stuck there. I too lived under the pattern and the quiet was deafening.

I remember waking one night and driving over to the airport and just staring at that old bomber for an hour or two just because I couldn’t process the rest of it in my mind without looking at something representing our better moments because I didn’t trust where our leadership would take us in the coming years.

98 HappyWarrior  Sep 11, 2014 9:01:27am

re: #93 Backwoods_Sleuth

No. Words.
None.

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She should have been grateful for a job. RWNJ//

99 WhatEVs  Sep 11, 2014 9:13:19am

I will never forget where I was and what I was doing. Ever. But I don’t want to talk about me. I still have a hard time dealing with this.

My boss at the time was in a meeting at the Marriott at the WTC. They evacuated, leaving everything behind, and wound up running barefoot down the streets with all the other citizens. It took her a week to return to Chicago.

A woman I worked with, who had a week old baby, was in NY for a day meeting that day. She was on her way into the city in a taxi, having a lovely chat with her cabbie telling him about her new baby, when the attack happened. Her cabbie was a Muslim Pakistani. His family took her in for two nights. Then personally drove her back to Chicago when she could not find any other way home.

My friend, a dog breeder, was on a flight from Germany, returning to the US with two puppies she got there. They were en route to Chicago over the ocean when the pilot came on and first spoke in German, a language she didn’t understand. Half way through his announcement she heard the words New York and attack…and the pilot sounding pained to the point of tears. Needless to say she was freaking out. The announcement was then repeated in English. They were being rerouted to Toronto because of an attack on NY. What the attack was, was not explained.

It took three days for her and her puppies to get back to Chicago. Some friends had to drive up there to get them.

My biggest memory of the period was the immediate aftermath…and the absence of aircraft in the sky. It’s funny how, to me, airplanes in the sky are something you’d never notice…background noise, as it were. But those planes not being there was as obvious to me as the nose on my face.

And here come the tears. Back into lurk mode for me.

100 Danny  Sep 11, 2014 9:17:52am

re: #75 Lidane

Hi Lidane. Saw your post in an earlier thread asking about iCloud and having too much data in iTunes to fit on an iPod. You can manually manage your iPod content and just put whatever you are currently reading/listening to on the iPod. You can also buy iTunes Match (about $25/year) and all your music will be playable without actually being stored on the iPod. Downside of iTunes Match is that it streams the music so if you don’t have a wifi signal you can’t listen to it. You can still put some stuff on manually to get around that, though.

101 lawhawk  Sep 11, 2014 9:19:18am

A harrowing tale from a FDNY who was responding to the WTC that day.

The officer, Tom McCarthy, the Battalion Chief of the 32nd Battalion in Red Hook, had just been promoted to that role a few months before the attacks. It’s a harrowing account to be sure, but this stuck out for me personally.

From 8:00-8:30 a.m. change of tours occurs, and we had guys getting off duty and guys coming on duty. But a few guys who were getting off duty wanted to go. My battalion car was out being repaired, so I wasn’t sent, but I got a call from the dispatcher saying he was sending a battalion chief from Staten Island to give me a ride. He was an older man. In fact, he was one of the few people who had survived a collapse in the Waldbaum’s supermarket that killed six firemen back in the ’70s. My driver and I got in the back of his car and we drove a very short distance to the entrance of the Battery Tunnel in Brooklyn.

Until the 9/11 attacks, the Waldbaums supermarket fire was one of the deadliest day in FDNY history and the worst in FDNY operations in Brooklyn. I was there; the fire wasn’t far from where we lived (we used to shop there regularly, in fact), and we could see dozens of units responding, and the grief of the FDNY trying to rescue their comrades when the roof collapsed, killing six, and trapping several others inside. That collapse spurred building code changes and changes to firefighting techniques to address the kind of structure that failed in the fire.

The 9/11 attacks, likewise spurred changes in skyscraper design, including the need for improved structures to protect the emergency stairs, utilities/communications, etc., and they have been incorporated into the new WTC complex.

Sadly, it takes the loss of life to bring about safety improvements that will benefit generations to come.

102 Lidane  Sep 11, 2014 9:23:13am

re: #100 Danny

Awesome. Thanks Danny!

103 Teukka  Sep 11, 2014 9:28:59am

My 9/11 memory is being at a muni meeting place when one of my friends comes into the computer room and says “a plane has just flown into the WTC in New York.” All of us were glued to the TV from that moment onwards, with me desperately trying to get supplemental information from the web, but most news sites were bogged down beyond belief.
Even one of the local newspapers who had changed their site to a text-only low overhead design took ages to load.
I knew it was not an accident when the second plane struck the WTC.
The place closed soon after we were told the news, and I continued watching the coverage at home.
One thing I clearly remember is that how amazed I was about the towers still standing. At the time, I used to watch construction documentaries a lot, so I knew the basics about the design of WTC, and that both buildings had been fatally weakened by the impacts themselves, let alone the burning aviation fuel.
Much to the chagrin of truthers afterwards, I knew it was a miracle that the twin towers remained standing as long as they did. Sadly, that miracle did not translate into the emergency services getting most of the people out, as I understand many lost their lives in the upper portions of the buildings cut off by the impacts and still being in the stairwells on the way down when the buildings collapsed.

105 Flying Squirrel Girl  Sep 11, 2014 9:31:54am

In 2001 I worked for a ski and snowboard shop, and we were receiving inventory every day. That afternoon our normally friendly, chatty FedEx guy rang the bell to deliver more boxes. He was Jordanian. He was crying. We asked if he was OK and he said no. He said he had been spit on, by someone he made regular deliveries to and thought of as an amiable acquaintance. He said he had had doors slammed in his face and endured hateful comments advising him to “go back where he came from” from many clients throughout the course of the day. We offered him water, a chance to cool down, and compassion. He told us, “I left my country 15 years ago to become an American and I have never gone back. NEVER. I am one of you!” He thanked us for being kind to him.

106 HappyWarrior  Sep 11, 2014 9:32:34am

I’ve told this on many 9/11s since I’ve joined here but here goes. I was a freshman in high school. It was only the second week of school. I had a quick walk from my Math class to my world history class. I was the second to arrive in class. When I arrived the TV was on. My first thoughts were that the pilot had to have been drunk. And then the second plane hit. They ended sending us home for the day. I walked home as I always did to high school and my grandparents were there and my mom a federal employee had just gotten off work. And then my Dad arrived with my youngest brother who was only seven months at the time. I think some of our innocence was lost that day. The next fall the D.C area had the sniper attacks too. Should also add that I had stayed at the WTC’s Marriott a few years prior on what had to that point been my only trip to NYC.

107 HappyWarrior  Sep 11, 2014 9:33:04am
108 HappyWarrior  Sep 11, 2014 9:37:02am

talkingpointsmemo.com
Did anyone see or post this yet? Think I’m gonna be sick.

109 ObserverArt  Sep 11, 2014 9:37:30am

re: #104 Dr. Matt

9/11’s Last Surviving Search Dog Goes on Today, Tears Ensue

Saw that on Today. Nice story. Great Doggie.

110 thedopefishlives  Sep 11, 2014 9:38:06am

re: #106 HappyWarrior

I was a senior; we were the Class of 9/11. I was in between classes. My locker was across the hall from two classrooms, one of which was my 2nd period class, so I usually stopped to grab my books after 1st period. My teacher came out and went into the other teacher’s classroom, saying, “Did you see that? Another one just hit!” I just about leapt across the hallway and through the classroom door just in time to see the replay of the second impact. I remember, after school, my dad and I took our trucks down to the gas station, but the line was over a mile long by the time we got there. I had to work that night at the local hardware store; it was a ghost town. We watched the President’s speech from the Radio Shack display in the store, amidst a smattering of people who came in vain searching for American flags or candles (we had sold out of flags before I even got there, and we didn’t have candles to sell to start with).

111 Dr. Matt  Sep 11, 2014 9:40:07am

re: #108 HappyWarrior

talkingpointsmemo.com
Did anyone see or post this yet? Think I’m gonna be sick.

Upchuck is looking into the juvenile records of those two contractors.

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112 HappyWarrior  Sep 11, 2014 9:41:09am

re: #111 Dr. Matt

Upchuck is looking into the juvenile records of those two contractors.

//

Jim Hoft wants their party registration info.

113 WhatEVs  Sep 11, 2014 9:42:29am

re: #111 Dr. Matt

re: #112 HappyWarrior

You guys jest. Wait. Just wait for it.

114 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Sep 11, 2014 9:42:34am

When 9/11 happened I worked in the take off path of the John Wayne Airport. We had a spot we used to go to smoke and all day long you would hear and see jets taking off. The flight ban for those weeks after 9/11 were some of the quietest, and eeriest, I have ever experienced. When flights resumed nerves were always rattled when a plane took off since we had become used to the quiet.

115 HappyWarrior  Sep 11, 2014 9:42:42am

re: #110 thedopefishlives

I was a senior; we were the Class of 9/11. I was in between classes. My locker was across the hall from two classrooms, one of which was my 2nd period class, so I usually stopped to grab my books after 1st period. My teacher came out and went into the other teacher’s classroom, saying, “Did you see that? Another one just hit!” I just about leapt across the hallway and through the classroom door just in time to see the replay of the second impact. I remember, after school, my dad and I took our trucks down to the gas station, but the line was over a mile long by the time we got there. I had to work that night at the local hardware store; it was a ghost town. We watched the President’s speech from the Radio Shack display in the store, amidst a smattering of people who came in vain searching for American flags or candles (we had sold out of flags before I even got there, and we didn’t have candles to sell to start with).

It was just stunning.

116 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Sep 11, 2014 9:42:57am

re: #108 HappyWarrior

talkingpointsmemo.com
Did anyone see or post this yet? Think I’m gonna be sick.

Yep. Two more witnesses. With “immediate” testimonies. Sorry, but if one can’t prosecute with that kind of evidence, something is seriously wrong with the system.

117 HappyWarrior  Sep 11, 2014 9:43:30am

re: #116 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

Yep. Two more witnesses. With “immediate” testimonies. Sorry, but if one can’t prosecute with that kind of evidence, something is seriously wrong with the system.

Seriously.

118 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 11, 2014 9:43:50am

re: #101 lawhawk

I’m about halfway through your first link and have to take a break from it for a bit. But I’ll finish reading it.
What a great and sobering interview.

119 Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 11, 2014 9:44:15am

Reposting from downstairs:

8:46

The finishing touches are on the plan. They’re fueling up the planes,
in just a few short hours this world will never be the same,
A bright clear summer’s morning, a warm September day,
Soon so much we thought we knew, will be all but washed away.

As Freedom’s pillars burned to the ground, a violent voice awoke.
Children crying, Heroes dying, and a Devil in the smoke?
What has happened to the sky, what new evil is this brewing?
There’s nothing but darkness, bleak and gray. The city lies in ruins.

Millions stand across the land, stunned into awful silence.
Freedom’s not around today, there’s just this wicked violence.
So I watched the faithful pray, calling to the Lord and son,
A broken heart, lives torn apart, but a battle far from done.

The widows weep, the cost so steep. Where do you go from here?
Can we rise above the ashes and fight on through the fear?
This is the moment when we the brave, summon courage from deep within.
But we’ll never forget the way it was, the day the world caved in.

Great cities and our America stand torn, ripped at the seams.
This is a terrifying fulfillment of a truly hideous dream.
All over the nation, see the sad mournful crowds,
the silence from the White House is remarkably loud.

For some it was done with, a great terminal justice.
Our human hate and despair, had it finally crushed us?
This is more than just religion, more than what you believe,
it’s about the heart of the people, and the time they need to grieve.

Night falls in the city now, the dense fog fills the air,
this awful scene before us, it’s almost too much to bear.
We will be here entrenched now, but the greater battle we can win,
never have we shown more resolve than the day the world caved in.

120 thedopefishlives  Sep 11, 2014 9:46:35am

re: #115 HappyWarrior

It was just stunning.

Having a photographic memory has certain downsides. 9/11 is one of those. Remember? *snort* I’m not allowed to forget.

121 nines09  Sep 11, 2014 9:46:47am
122 Gus  Sep 11, 2014 9:46:56am
123 Lidane  Sep 11, 2014 9:47:46am

This makes total sense. If you’re a nutjob:

Michael Peroutka Suggests That Obama Is A Greater Threat Than ISIS

124 wrenchwench  Sep 11, 2014 9:48:14am

re: #122 Gus

I’ll just put this here.

I could use an app to block everyone in that search result (except you).

125 HappyWarrior  Sep 11, 2014 9:48:23am

re: #120 thedopefishlives

Having a photographic memory has certain downsides. 9/11 is one of those. Remember? *snort* I’m not allowed to forget.

I don’t really have a photographic memory but I think you’d agree that this for our generation was definitely what our parents had with the Kennedy assassination and grandparents with the Pearl Harbor bombing. A moment we’ll always remembered where we were.

126 HappyWarrior  Sep 11, 2014 9:48:48am

re: #123 Lidane

This makes total sense. If you’re a nutjob:

Michael Peroutka Suggests That Obama Is A Greater Threat Than ISIS

Ah perspective. Thanks Peroutka.

127 thedopefishlives  Sep 11, 2014 9:50:31am

re: #125 HappyWarrior

I don’t really have a photographic memory but I think you’d agree that this for our generation was definitely what our parents had with the Kennedy assassination and grandparents with the Pearl Harbor bombing. A moment we’ll always remembered where we were.

Absolutely. I don’t really remember much about the commencement or the prosecution of the Afghan War; the Iraq War is mostly a blur (although I remember when it started, only because I was just getting ready to leave on Spring Break). But 9/11? I think I still have the shirt I wore that day; the jeans I undoubtedly outgrew and threw away years ago.

128 retired cynic  Sep 11, 2014 9:50:47am

re: #125 HappyWarrior

You are making some of us feel very old! But you are totally right.

129 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Sep 11, 2014 9:51:51am

re: #122 Gus

I’ll just put this here.

Obama does the right thing, and that the side effect of this is some 1st class trolling of wingnuts is even better.

130 Gus  Sep 11, 2014 9:51:53am
131 nsmith25  Sep 11, 2014 9:53:08am

re: #116 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

Yep. Two more witnesses. With “immediate” testimonies. Sorry, but if one can’t prosecute with that kind of evidence, something is seriously wrong with the system.

I know I should know better, and I know that it wouldn’t do any good, and it would only hurt those that don’t need to be hurt anymore…

But if the officer (I still won’t use his name) gets off for this, shit’s gonna burn.

132 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Sep 11, 2014 9:53:31am

“ISIS Study Group”, lol. We’re vvv serious, vvv award-winning people.

133 Interesting Times  Sep 11, 2014 9:53:40am

re: #122 Gus

I’ll just put this here.

Oh for the love of…

Apparently no one remembers this (and it happened shortly after the actual attacks!)

But of course that was different because shut up that’s why.

(on a related note, can you imagine the sputtering nutjobbery that would ensue if Michelle Obama was photographed doing this?)

134 retired cynic  Sep 11, 2014 9:54:36am

re: #130 Gus

You would think that the constant hate would make them sick. It sure makes me sick, vicariously.

135 Petero1818  Sep 11, 2014 9:55:07am

re: #111 Dr. Matt

Upchuck is looking into the juvenile records of those two contractors.

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Damn right he will. I suspect we are within hours of somebody suggesting that they are illegal aliens.

136 Dave In Austin  Sep 11, 2014 9:56:14am

Fuck!!! I just realized I got U2ed. Damn it I hate those guys

137 thedopefishlives  Sep 11, 2014 9:56:33am

re: #136 Dave In Austin

Fuck!!! I just realized I got U2ed. Damn it I hate those guys

Is that anything like Rickrolled? I’m confused.

138 wrenchwench  Sep 11, 2014 9:56:36am

re: #131 nsmith25

I know I should know better, and I know that it wouldn’t do any good, and it would only hurt those that don’t need to be hurt anymore…

But if the officer (I still won’t use his name) gets off for this, shit’s gonna burn.

Not just locally. Lots of places.

It looks like the strategy right now is delay delay delay, and hope emotions recede. It’s not working.

139 Bulworth  Sep 11, 2014 9:57:35am

re:
#123

He isn’t in jail yet, along with all the other RWNJ, in the FEMA death panel trailer camps?
/

140 GeneJockey  Sep 11, 2014 9:57:38am

re: #125 HappyWarrior

I don’t really have a photographic memory but I think you’d agree that this for our generation was definitely what our parents had with the Kennedy assassination and grandparents with the Pearl Harbor bombing. A moment we’ll always remembered where we were.

Some of us get two of them.

First Grade at Arendtsville Elementary School, and they sent us home without telling us so we had to learn from parents and older siblings.

Waking up to my wife telling me that our trip Back East, scheduled for the next morning, was probably not going to happen, because somebody’d destroyed the WTC. Followed by 5 days of watching TV, mesmerized.

I’m ambivalent about the whole thing. There’s so much bullshit tied up in 9/11 anymore - Truthers, ODS sufferers posting shit, Islamophobia, crass commercialism - I feel like any unifying meaning gets lost. So little of it seems to be about those who died, and so much about “America, Fuck Yeah!”

I won’t be watching the commemorations, the tape loops, etc. I remember it. I don’t need the reminders.

141 Lidane  Sep 11, 2014 9:57:58am

re: #137 thedopefishlives

Is that anything like Rickrolled? I’m confused.

Apparently the new U2 album got pushed to everyone with an iCloud account.

142 thedopefishlives  Sep 11, 2014 9:58:43am

re: #141 Lidane

Apparently the new U2 album got pushed to everyone with an iCloud account.

Oh, how charming.

143 Feline Fearless Leader  Sep 11, 2014 9:58:56am

re: #127 thedopefishlives

Absolutely. I don’t really remember much about the commencement or the prosecution of the Afghan War; the Iraq War is mostly a blur (although I remember when it started, only because I was just getting ready to leave on Spring Break). But 9/11? I think I still have the shirt I wore that day; the jeans I undoubtedly outgrew and threw away years ago.

I have clear memories of a number of events:

9/11: Really clear of being at work and having someone mention that a plane had hit the WTC. And, as others had said, knowing this was purposeful and terrorism when the second tower was hit along with reports about the crash near the Pentagon. There were also rumors flying about concerning bombings or something else in New York City as well.

Start of the Iraq War it was the coverage showing all the AAA fire while the cruise missiles and F-117A strikes were occurring. Followed over the next few days by the press conferences where the footage of various strikes were being shown to the public.

I also recall coming back from a class back in the early 80s to the fraternity house one evening and finding everyone glued to the TV set. We were bombing stuff in Tripoli! That also was footage of AAA fire all over the place and eventually release of bombing camera footage showing stuff getting blown up.

144 Dave In Austin  Sep 11, 2014 9:59:21am

re: #137 thedopefishlives

Is that anything like Rickrolled? I’m confused.

Someone down stairs said that Apple
Accts were being spammed with the latest U2 release, so I checked I tunes and there it was. Fuckers.

145 klys  Sep 11, 2014 10:01:06am
146 Interesting Times  Sep 11, 2014 10:01:10am

re: #141 Lidane

Apparently the new U2 album got pushed to everyone with an iCloud account.

As a customer protection measure, so people would no longer have any room to store hackable nude selfies? /

147 b.d.  Sep 11, 2014 10:01:50am

re: #141 Lidane

Apparently the new U2 album got pushed to everyone with an iCloud account.

Is there a track on the album that asks people to eat right, talks about two people of the same sex being in love, mentions climate change or doesn’t put Christianity above everything? I sure would love for the wingnuts to pick this up as the outrage du jour.

148 Feline Fearless Leader  Sep 11, 2014 10:02:21am

re: #146 Interesting Times

As a customer protection measure, so people would no longer have any room to store hackable nude selfies? /

I’m told that if you have the right de-encryption software there’s a naked selfie of Bono in that download.
////

149 De Kolta Chair  Sep 11, 2014 10:05:48am

re: #122 Gus

I’ll just put this here.

From the NY Times, September 7, 2012:

The other anniversary is of the visit President George W. Bush made to a Washington mosque just six days after the attack, where he spoke eloquently against the harassment of Arabs and Muslims living in the United States and about the need to respect Islam.

After hailing American Muslims as “friends” and “taxpaying citizens” in his comments at the mosque, Mr. Bush went on to say: “These acts of violence against innocents violate the fundamental tenets of the Islamic faith. And it’s important for my fellow Americans to understand that.” He quoted from the Koran […]

Eleven years after the fact, Mr. Bush has been treated like a prophet without honor in his own land. He was barely mentioned at the Republican convention last week, and former presidential candidates like Newt Gingrich, Herman Cain and Michele Bachmann have regularly inveighed against Muslims.

150 Gus  Sep 11, 2014 10:06:07am

Stupid.

151 Stanley Sea  Sep 11, 2014 10:08:30am

re: #145 klys

Too small for these eyes to read.

152 Dr Lizardo  Sep 11, 2014 10:08:37am

re: #150 Gus

[Embedded content]

Stupid.

I’ve never thought ‘pan-fried’ sounded posher that ‘fried’.

It’s fried. Not seeing the difference, myself.

153 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Sep 11, 2014 10:08:50am

re: #150 Gus

He’s great at explaining science and atheism. But when it comes to social issues, he becomes Grandpa Simpson.

154 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Sep 11, 2014 10:08:50am

pretty interesting look at how the FED handled 9-11:

The Astonishing Story of the Federal Reserve on 9-11

155 Gus  Sep 11, 2014 10:09:40am

re: #152 Dr Lizardo

I’ve never thought ‘pan-fried’ sounded posher that ‘fried’.

It’s fried. Not seeing the difference, myself.

Yes, was referring to this nonsense though:

And why tip % of the bill when waiter’s work is about the same regardless?

He’s just wrong.

156 Gus  Sep 11, 2014 10:11:41am

re: #153 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

He’s great at explaining science and atheism. But when it comes to social issues, he becomes Grandpa Simpson.

I’M A FAMOUS ATHEIST™ WITH A DOCTORATE IN SOMETHING BIOLOGY THEREFORE I KNOW ALL THE THINGS!

157 Feline Fearless Leader  Sep 11, 2014 10:11:43am

re: #150 Gus

Stupid.

IIRC, they don’t tip in Europe. So Dawkins may be coming from a viewpoint where the entire enterprise is sort of mysterious in addition to logical facets like the one he mentions.

And I would guess “fried” vs “pan fried” becomes a distinction once you get into more serious cookery. Pan vs grill vs griddle, and so forth.

And, of course, is restaurant-ing, cooking, etc. really a place of Dawkin’s expertise where his opinion should be held in higher regard than the man-on-the-streets?

158 klys  Sep 11, 2014 10:12:21am

re: #151 Stanley Sea

Too small for these eyes to read.

To err is human, to really foul things up requires a computer.

His daughter posted a photo of his mug last night, which she keeps on her desk at work now. I went to high school with her.

159 stpaulbear  Sep 11, 2014 10:13:26am

I hate to say this, but I first heard on NPR on the drive in to work that a plane had crashed into the WTC, and I laughed wondering how a plane could be piloted so badly that they’d hit such a massive building.
I had a meeting out of the office that morning so as I was driving I was hearing about what had really happened and was listening in horror. By the time I got back to the office, a TV was set up right next to my work station as we were hearing about the pentagon and PA crashes, the towers had already collapsed, and we all looked nervously across the street at the MN State Capitol and wondered if we were on the list of targets - how broad this attack was going to be? No one went home early that day, but no one got any work done either. It was simply impossible to not be consumed with horror at what happened that day. I don’t have a TV so I wasn’t seeing the images played over and over, but I was completely hooked on MPR’s coverage that week.

160 De Kolta Chair  Sep 11, 2014 10:13:27am

re: #150 Gus

[Embedded content]

Stupid.

Mr. Dawkins, I served with James Beard. I knew James Beard. James Beard was a friend of mine. Professor, you’re no James Beard. ///

(Wish I had known James Beard!)

161 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Sep 11, 2014 10:13:27am

re: #155 Gus

It’s the same logic as “why should I save [water/electricity/…], recycle, etc. I’m just 1/7000000000th of humanity, doesn’t change anything”. Well, true, if you’re the only person thinking that…

162 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Sep 11, 2014 10:14:37am

re: #157 Feline Fearless Leader

IIRC, they don’t tip in Europe.

They do.
Even in Italy, where you don’t tip explicitly, it’s just included in the bill.

163 lawhawk  Sep 11, 2014 10:14:40am
164 De Kolta Chair  Sep 11, 2014 10:15:35am

re: #60 Pie-onist Overlord

Somebody is grumpy

The remote, how does that work? /

165 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Sep 11, 2014 10:16:05am

re: #159 stpaulbear

I admit when I first turned on the news and was watching while getting ready for work I said to my girlfriend at the time “What the hell was the pilot smoking?” That was after the first plane hit but before the second. When we watched the second plane hit the next remark was “Oh shit, we’ve been attacked”.

166 Dr Lizardo  Sep 11, 2014 10:17:16am

re: #157 Feline Fearless Leader

IIRC, they don’t tip in Europe. So Dawkins may be coming from a viewpoint where the entire enterprise is sort of mysterious in addition to logical facets like the one he mentions.

And I would guess “fried” vs “pan fried” becomes a distinction once you get into more serious cookery. Pan vs grill vs griddle, and so forth.

And, of course, is restaurant-ing, cooking, etc. really a place of Dawkin’s expertise where his opinion should be held in higher regard than the man-on-the-streets?

Here in the Czech Republic, people tip, but it’s usually done like where the waiter/waitress says, “The bill is 125 Kč” and you give them 150 Kč and just say “150” (sto padesát) and that’s that.

167 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Sep 11, 2014 10:21:18am

I sorta still like Dawkins, but this is the case where his privilege is showing. Waiters are supposed to get a significant part of their income from tips. Sometimes smart people are like kids - they say the darndest things…

168 WhatEVs  Sep 11, 2014 10:21:20am

re: #152 Dr Lizardo

When I think fried, I think deep fried. There is a big difference.

I don’t eat too much deep fried stuff. But I do like pan fried…more like a saute.

169 klys  Sep 11, 2014 10:21:50am
170 WhatEVs  Sep 11, 2014 10:23:59am

re: #163 lawhawk

I have to say that this happening in MO is…troubling. Especially right now.

171 Varek Raith  Sep 11, 2014 10:27:21am

re: #169 klys

[Embedded content]

That’s crazy.

172 The Ghost of a Flea  Sep 11, 2014 10:27:42am

re: #152 Dr Lizardo

I’ve never thought ‘pan-fried’ sounded posher that ‘fried’.

It’s fried. Not seeing the difference, myself.

Fried = cooking in heated fat

A lot of folks used the word fried when they mean deep fried. And deep fried is considered a health no-no (because people don’t understand food science), so pan fried is a term that’s come into use.

At least, that’s what I find in US English.

173 allegro  Sep 11, 2014 10:27:53am

re: #152 Dr Lizardo

I’ve never thought ‘pan-fried’ sounded posher that ‘fried’.

It’s fried. Not seeing the difference, myself.

Because pan-fried is different from deep fried.

174 lawhawk  Sep 11, 2014 10:28:18am

re: #116 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

Sadly, I think the FPD/County Police may take him up on that.

The FPD/County Police is acting in much the same way the NFL has done with the Ray Rice videos.

Despite overwhelming evidence, and video and eyewitness testimony that clearly shows that acts of violence occurred, both institutions have gone out of their way to obfuscate and deny knowledge or otherwise lie about who knew what and when.

The NFL claims to have not see the actual video of the assault - even though they knew what the outcome had been (they had the video of Rice dragging her out of the elevator) - and it took the image of Rice striking his then fiance and knocking her out cold to make them suspend him indefinitely.

The FPD, along with the County Police, have blocked efforts to learn about what the initial facts of the Brown shooting were. That’s despite multiple witnesses finding that Brown had his hands up when he was fatally shot and killed by Wilson. Wilson has yet to show himself in public, and the prosecutor is a pro-LEO type who isn’t likely to prosecute in this case, even if video surfaces of the entire event.

175 Slap  Sep 11, 2014 10:28:30am

I was as affected and saddened on that day as anyone I know.

BUT….

I honestly do not need to be reminded. I will not watch the memorializing. I will not be shamed for this.

I am reminded every goddamned day whenever I witness the divisiveness and hatred that emerged in the aftermath of the attack. Sadly, I believe the murderers won. I curse them with every fiber of my being. They managed to encourage the growth of our worst characteristics and behaviors toward each other, and we may not ever heal.

I make sure I continue to look for beauty in the world and in the good things I see people do. I hug my cats. I dote on my wife. I let music soothe me. I try to be kind.

Sometimes, that’s enough.

176 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Sep 11, 2014 10:29:06am

re: #171 Varek Raith

That’s crazy.

Abby Normal.

177 WhatEVs  Sep 11, 2014 10:30:16am

re: #172 The Ghost of a Flea

Fried = cooking in heated fat

A lot of folks used the word fried when they mean deep fried. And deep fried is considered a health no-no (because people don’t understand food science), so pan fried is a term that’s come into use.

At least, that’s what I find in US English.

I don’t especially like deep fried foods as they (proteins) are often coated in batter, which I rarely enjoy. Some places make good batter (as much as I cook, I do not make good batter) and if you don’t have a high enough heated oil, deep fried food is greasy as hell (it’s still pretty greasy even when fried at a good heat).

Sometimes is ok (I love a good fried fish), but mostly…not so much.

178 Dr Lizardo  Sep 11, 2014 10:31:01am

re: #169 klys

[Embedded content]

I know this is bad of me to think this - and I certainly do feel for her - but my first thought was a Ramones lyric from “Teenage Lobotomy”;

Now I guess I’ll have to tell ‘em
That I got no cerebellum….

179 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Sep 11, 2014 10:31:54am

re: #174 lawhawk

That’s basically Russia’s behavior vis-a-vis Ukraine. “There’s no proof it’s Russia!”

180 WhatEVs  Sep 11, 2014 10:32:11am

re: #175 Slap

I had to ask hubby to change the channel this morning. I can’t. I just can’t.

Sometimes I feel that makes me a bad American. But, I just can’t relive that.

181 HappyWarrior  Sep 11, 2014 10:32:40am

re: #163 lawhawk

[Embedded content]

That’s class right there.

182 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Sep 11, 2014 10:32:47am

re: #152 Dr Lizardo

There is a big difference. Most “fried” means immersed in hit oil and fried. Pan fried uses less oil (or butter or whatever) and tends to be somewhat healthier. Not too mention changes in flavor profiles.

183 wrenchwench  Sep 11, 2014 10:34:40am

[…]

The teacher — a concealed carry permit holder — was allowed to have the weapon on campus per school district policy, as well as state law, Horsley said.

Utah is among the few states that allow people with concealed weapons permits to carry guns in public schools, according to the National Conference of State Legislatures.

[…]

184 klys  Sep 11, 2014 10:35:39am

re: #180 WhatEVs

I had to ask hubby to change the channel this morning. I can’t. I just can’t.

Sometimes I feel that makes me a bad American. But, I just can’t relive that.

Doesn’t make you a bad American. I can’t either. I saw enough grief that day.

For the vast majority of Americans it’s a public tragedy, a touchstone like JFK’s death, but for some it is a very personal, private grief, and I hate the feeling that I am intruding on that.

185 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Sep 11, 2014 10:35:45am

re: #183 wrenchwench

I’m tired of smh.

186 allegro  Sep 11, 2014 10:36:12am

re: #177 WhatEVs

I don’t especially like deep fried foods as they (proteins) are often coated in batter, which I rarely enjoy. Some places make good batter (as much as I cook, I do not make good batter) and if you don’t have a high enough heated oil, deep fried food is greasy as hell (it’s still pretty greasy even when fried at a good heat).

Sometimes is ok (I love a good fried fish), but mostly…not so much.

Wen my late husband first told me he was going to fry a turkey, I went “EW no!” It sounded ghastly. Then he did it. Most delicious turkey I ever had - exquisitely seasoned through, deep into the meat, incredibly moist and not even the slightest bit greasy. Fried turkey was a Thanksgiving staple after that. I also baked a turkey but that was more for the drippings for gravy.

187 Pie-onist Overlord  Sep 11, 2014 10:37:32am

Well I’m here st the company picnic because hr made it that if you don’t show up you don’t get paif 1/2 day. They are having a pie throw event where people get to throw a pie at the executive head.

188 thedopefishlives  Sep 11, 2014 10:38:01am

re: #187 Pie-onist Overlord

Well I’m here st the company picnic because hr made it that if you don’t show up you don’t get paif 1/2 day. They are having a pie throw event where people get to throw a pie at the executive head.

That’s pie sacrilege!

189 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Sep 11, 2014 10:38:22am

re: #187 Pie-onist Overlord

Well I’m here st the company picnic because hr made it that if you don’t show up you don’t get paif 1/2 day. They are having a pie throw event where people get to throw a pie at the executive head.

Today, of all days?

reluctantly smh

190 Varek Raith  Sep 11, 2014 10:39:11am

re: #187 Pie-onist Overlord

Well I’m here st the company picnic because hr made it that if you don’t show up you don’t get paif 1/2 day. They are having a pie throw event where people get to throw a pie at the executive head.

Try not to hurt the poor sod.
///

191 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Sep 11, 2014 10:39:49am

re: #186 allegro

There are only 2 ways I really like turkey at this point. Deep fried or done on a rotisserie. I personally do mine on a rotisserie mainly because I can’t justify buying a turkey fryer for the couple times a year it may be used. But every year the fishing club I am in does a post thanksgiving trout event at a local lake and there are always at least 2 fried turkeys.

192 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Sep 11, 2014 10:39:59am

re: #190 Varek Raith

Try not to hurt the poor sod.
///

Yeah, take a smaller desk.

193 Decatur Deb  Sep 11, 2014 10:40:12am

re: #187 Pie-onist Overlord

Well I’m here st the company picnic because hr made it that if you don’t show up you don’t get paif 1/2 day. They are having a pie throw event where people get to throw a pie at the executive head.

Don’t you have interns?

194 Pie-onist Overlord  Sep 11, 2014 10:40:43am

I’m like dude it’s 9/11 but life goes on.

195 Feline Fearless Leader  Sep 11, 2014 10:43:44am

re: #187 Pie-onist Overlord

Well I’m here st the company picnic because hr made it that if you don’t show up you don’t get paif 1/2 day. They are having a pie throw event where people get to throw a pie at the executive head.

Is it optional to sharpen the edge of the pie plate and throw it like Oddjob’s bowler?
;D

196 Kragar  Sep 11, 2014 10:44:48am
197 Decatur Deb  Sep 11, 2014 10:44:53am

re: #183 wrenchwench

[Embedded content]

“If a bullet leaves the toilet at 2100 feet per second, traveling east, …”

198 De Kolta Chair  Sep 11, 2014 10:47:20am

re: #195 Feline Fearless Leader

Is it optional to sharpen the edge of the pie plate and throw it like Oddjob’s bowler?
;D

“Heh heh, I saw what you did there.”

199 allegro  Sep 11, 2014 10:47:36am

re: #191 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

There are only 2 ways I really like turkey at this point. Deep fried or done on a rotisserie. I personally do mine on a rotisserie mainly because I can’t justify buying a turkey fryer for the couple times a year it may be used. But every year the fishing club I am in does a post thanksgiving trout event at a local lake and there are always at least 2 fried turkeys.

Hubby used his gear quite a lot for fish frys, crawdaddy boils, etc. Every year at Thanksgiving he fried about 30 turkeys - some for friends as a favor, but most to donate to a local center that did Thanksgiving dinners for disadvantaged families.

200 lawhawk  Sep 11, 2014 10:47:57am

re: #194 Pie-onist Overlord

I’m like dude it’s 9/11 but life goes on.

In past years, 9/11 would mean that the construction at the 9/11 site would come to a stop for the day.

This year? They’re working away at the Transit Hub and other parts of the site that have yet to be finished off.

201 BeenHereAwhile  Sep 11, 2014 10:50:08am

re: #141 Lidane

Apparently the new U2 album got pushed to everyone with an iCloud account.

iPhone user since 2008, thru several upgrades - getting ready for another upgrade. Work in a business which does hand held forensics.

Don’t have and don’t want the exposure of an iCloud account.

202 Franklin  Sep 11, 2014 10:51:56am
203 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Sep 11, 2014 10:52:44am

re: #199 allegro

Yeah, I can see using it for a big fry or boil. Just know I wouldn’t be doing them that often. I am tempted, this year, to go order a turkey from chinatown done similar to how they roast/do peking duck.

204 Bulworth  Sep 11, 2014 10:52:49am

re:
#187

“Go or don’t get paid! Have fun!!!!1”

205 thedopefishlives  Sep 11, 2014 10:54:57am

re: #196 Kragar

Dafuq. Are these people serious?

206 b.d.  Sep 11, 2014 10:55:09am
Reuters) - Twitter Inc said it plans to raise $1.3 billion by issuing convertible senior notes, its first debt offering since its market debut in November.

in.reuters.com

Guy #1 - I got this great tech idea, that everyone will use, give me money!
Guy #2 - That’s great, how does it make money?
Guy #1 - I got lots of money now!

207 BeenHereAwhile  Sep 11, 2014 10:56:44am

re: #175 Slap

I was as affected and saddened on that day as anyone I know.

BUT….

I honestly do not need to be reminded. I will not watch the memorializing. I will not be shamed for this.

I am reminded every goddamned day whenever I witness the divisiveness and hatred that emerged in the aftermath of the attack. Sadly, I believe the murderers won. I curse them with every fiber of my being. They managed to encourage the growth of our worst characteristics and behaviors toward each other, and we may not ever heal.

-snip-

Osama bin Laden succeeded in changing our country in ways he never imagined.

208 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Sep 11, 2014 11:05:45am

re: #207 BeenHereAwhile

Osama bin Laden succeeded in changing our country in ways he never imagined.

He had a lot of willing helpers.

209 BeenHereAwhile  Sep 11, 2014 11:09:25am

re: #208 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

He had a lot of willing helpers.

Believers who think they are defending their faith.

210 Slap  Sep 11, 2014 11:11:57am

re: #177 WhatEVs

FWIW, I just obtained a small countertop Waring deep fryer (max 32 oz oil). Did fish & chips first time — chips were great, need to work on the fish timing. Did fried chicken last week (I have a genetic imperative — Mom was from the South); slight timing issues, but I can’t imagine going back to stovetop or electric skillet deep-frying. When I drained the pieces, there was almost NO extra oil that drained off. Came out great!

I have a great batter recipe at home; I’ll try and remember to bring it in and I’ll post it to you.

211 WhatEVs  Sep 11, 2014 11:23:10am

re: #210 Slap

FWIW, I just obtained a small countertop Waring deep fryer (max 32 oz oil). Did fish & chips first time — chips were great, need to work on the fish timing. Did fried chicken last week (I have a genetic imperative — Mom was from the South); slight timing issues, but I can’t imagine going back to stovetop or electric skillet deep-frying. When I drained the pieces, there was almost NO extra oil that drained off. Came out great!

I have a great batter recipe at home; I’ll try and remember to bring it in and I’ll post it to you.

That would be awesome! Mine always falls off and tastes…meh. I like fried shrimp. A good batter would be fantastic!

212 A Mom Anon  Sep 11, 2014 11:44:59am

re: #196 Kragar

oh.hell.no. Are you shitting me? What in the ever loving fuck is wrong with people? Defending violence against women. Jesus. I. Just. Can’t. Even.

213 A Mom Anon  Sep 11, 2014 11:47:50am

re: #212 A Mom Anon

And Lawhawk, thanks for your yearly posts on this, you take really nice photos of the area so those of us who live far away can see the place and the progress. It’s great, even if this is just an awful and weird day.

214 elizajane  Sep 11, 2014 3:01:48pm

re: #11 Schadenboner

An interesting post. If you had seen the visuals do you think you would have canceled?

I probably would not have cancelled my class because I’m crazy like that (I lectured on the day my mother died, too). But it would have been harder. Without having seen the event, it was easy to keep calm and carry on.

215 [deleted]  Sep 12, 2014 7:14:18pm

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