Casual Bigotry From the Front Page of the Wall Street Journal

Perpetuating stereotypes and misconceptions—for profit
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Gerald F. Seib. Photo from freshfiction.com

The author of this column, published September 9th on the front page of the Wall Street Journal, is an award-winning journalist and author. Therefore I cannot attribute his writing here to sloppiness or factual cluelessness. I do not care to research his past work to decide if he is a bigot, but what he wrote here is incorrect and does perpetuate stereotypes and misconceptions. I would like to expect more from a professional journalist, but I do not expect more from a long-term employee of WSJ.

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This appears to be a painful truth for Mr. Obama, which helps explain why he has been so obviously reluctant—and so dangerously slow, his critics say—to embrace the challenge of confronting the resurgence of radical Islamic forces in Iraq and the dangerous cauldron of instability brewing next door in Syria. The second Obama term was to be about escaping the morass of war and terror emanating from the Muslim world in order to move on to other needs back home; it wasn’t to be about being sucked back into that morass.

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‘[T]he morass of war and terror emanating from the Muslim world’. The Muslim world is a big place. The majority of Muslims live in the Asia-Pacific region. That is clearly not the area Seib is referring to. It is clear to me he is referring to the Middle East, which is where 20% of Muslims live. I still wouldn’t characterize the Middle East as a place from which ‘a morass of terror and war’ emanates, but it would at least be a little more accurate. However, I suppose it would not have the same appeal to WSJ’s readership.

The rest of the column is here for those who subscribe to WSJ: Islamic State Helps Reshape Obama’s Second Term - WSJ

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347 comments
1 Charles Johnson  Sep 11, 2014 4:46:44pm

He seems nice.

2 wrenchwench  Sep 11, 2014 4:49:23pm

re: #1 Charles Johnson

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He seems nice.

That may have been the deciding factor when considering Pageworthiness.

3 nines09  Sep 11, 2014 5:10:57pm

re: #2 wrenchwench

Looks normal to me. Bland suit. Simple tie. White shirt. Trimmed beard. But those eyes and grin shoes.

4 CriticalDragon1177  Sep 11, 2014 5:31:28pm

re: #1 Charles Johnson

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He seems nice.

He actually looks like a psycho.

5 Pie-onist Overlord  Sep 11, 2014 6:28:11pm

re: #4 CriticalDragon1177

He actually looks like a psycho.

Wait till you see his ear collection.

6 goddamnedfrank  Sep 11, 2014 6:35:05pm

Somewhere a cave is missing its goblin.

7 The Ghost of a Flea  Sep 11, 2014 8:05:51pm

Seib is just cranky because The Baggins took his Precious.

8 brennant  Sep 11, 2014 8:06:14pm

re: #1 Charles Johnson

9 brennant  Sep 11, 2014 8:06:52pm

Well… that was ginormous.

10 Dr. Matt  Sep 11, 2014 8:08:22pm

Yup.

11 Kid A  Sep 11, 2014 8:08:24pm

Dude, find a real photographer.

12 HappyWarrior  Sep 11, 2014 8:08:38pm

Really. Fuck the WSJ.

13 Stanley Sea  Sep 11, 2014 8:09:22pm

Eh, don’t let the image of the author take away from the story.

(I know)

14 HappyWarrior  Sep 11, 2014 8:09:23pm

Actually I think he looks like “Duncan Birch” on The Onion News.

15 The Ghost of a Flea  Sep 11, 2014 8:09:40pm

Man, it would be super awkward if it turned out that this mess in the Middle East was exacerbated by decades of support for conservative, authoritarian regimes that quashed liberal and secular institutions that might have acted as a counterbalance to Islamic extremists./

16 Dr. Matt  Sep 11, 2014 8:22:18pm

FYI: MSNBC is replaying 9/11/01

17 Jenner7  Sep 11, 2014 8:24:05pm
18 allegro  Sep 11, 2014 8:24:07pm

So how long will Tavis Smiley last on Dancing With the Stars? (He’s on TDS right now which brought that to mind.)

19 allegro  Sep 11, 2014 8:29:09pm

Wow, I want to read his (Smiley) new book “Death of a King.”

20 Sherlock Hound  Sep 11, 2014 8:34:24pm

re: #16 Dr. Matt

Goddamned ghouls. I stopped reading James Lileks when he mentioned he replayed his Tivo’d coverage of that day. By now, that would be a 14-year old box. I hope its hard drive wore out.

The next McVeigh will be radicalized by that, mark my word.

21 Stanley Sea  Sep 11, 2014 8:39:43pm

re: #18 allegro

So how long will Tavis Smiley last on Dancing With the Stars? (He’s on TDS right now which brought that to mind.)

Not long. He’s not known enough.

22 allegro  Sep 11, 2014 8:44:25pm

re: #21 Stanley Sea

Not long. He’s not known enough.

But according to my friend, he’s black so he has great rhythm. He should do fine.

(She has a wonderful, generous heart for all but buys into every stereotype.)

23 Kragar  Sep 11, 2014 8:44:53pm
24 Stanley Sea  Sep 11, 2014 8:46:48pm

Sweet dreams LGF.

I’m struggling with Stephen King’s 11/22/63. It is very good, but very very intense. I’m not as young and pliable as I used to be. Now, whenever I read King, there is anxiety!

25 goddamnedfrank  Sep 11, 2014 8:47:14pm
Ready had just criticized Pace and Democrats for higher energy costs in the state and Pace, reacting to Ready in a stern voice, said “I thought we agreed not to go negative, but what about your posting on your Facebook site linking to a story that questioned whether Sandy Hook really happened?”

Ready said he only put that link up because he called for open discussion. “I don’t think (the Sandy Hook shootings have) been proven. And what’s wrong with open discussion?”

26 allegro  Sep 11, 2014 8:49:01pm

re: #25 goddamnedfrank

A “please proceed” moment.

27 Charles Johnson  Sep 11, 2014 8:51:28pm
28 Sherlock Hound  Sep 11, 2014 8:51:55pm

re: #26 allegro

“What’s wrong with open discussion?”
TIL another synonym for “Just asking questions”.

29 Kragar  Sep 11, 2014 8:54:40pm

re: #28 Sherlock Hound

“What’s wrong with open discussion?”
TIL another synonym for “Just asking questions”.

We’d be better off placing chastity devices on all Conservative men and giving the keys to radical feminist.

I’m just attempting to open discussion.

30 allegro  Sep 11, 2014 8:56:11pm

re: #29 Kragar

We’d be better off placing chastity devices on all Conservative men and giving the keys to radical feminist.

I’m just attempting to open discussion.

Works for me.

31 Charles Johnson  Sep 11, 2014 8:56:53pm

Apparently, Bill Gertz was very frightened.

32 Kragar  Sep 11, 2014 8:58:24pm

Just saw word there was an active shooter at Camp Pendleton

33 Kragar  Sep 11, 2014 9:00:59pm

One of the areas on base is on lock down, MPs say they have him detained but no other word

34 allegro  Sep 11, 2014 9:02:27pm

re: #32 Kragar

Just saw word there was an active shooter at Camp Pendleton

If only there had been a good guy with a gun.

35 HappyWarrior  Sep 11, 2014 9:02:41pm

re: #32 Kragar

Just saw word there was an active shooter at Camp Pendleton

Where are the good guys with guns?//

36 gwangung  Sep 11, 2014 9:02:46pm

re: #28 Sherlock Hound

“What’s wrong with open discussion?”

Well, sir, how long have you been using cheap hookers n Fox St.?

Wait. What’s wrong with open discussion?

37 Targetpractice  Sep 11, 2014 9:03:13pm

re: #12 HappyWarrior

Really. Fuck the WSJ.

I stopped paying attention to the WSJ back when it became Rupert Murdoch’s newest propaganda mill. Soviet-era Pravda had more truth in its pages than the WSJ’s editorials do today.

38 HappyWarrior  Sep 11, 2014 9:03:45pm

re: #37 Targetpractice

I stopped paying attention to the WSJ back when it became Rupert Murdoch’s newest propaganda mill. Soviet-era Pravda had more truth in its pages than the WSJ’s editorials do today.

Sad isn’t it?

39 Targetpractice  Sep 11, 2014 9:05:20pm

re: #38 HappyWarrior

Sad isn’t it?

It’s just more proof of the downfall of the dead tree media. Like WaPo keeping Rubin on the payroll long after it’s become obvious she doesn’t have a journalistic bone in her body.

40 HappyWarrior  Sep 11, 2014 9:06:33pm

re: #39 Targetpractice

It’s just more proof of the downfall of the dead tree media. Like WaPo keeping Rubin on the payroll long after it’s become obvious she doesn’t have a journalistic bone in her body.

Yeah the Post has really gone downhill too.

41 Kragar  Sep 11, 2014 9:06:51pm
42 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Sep 11, 2014 9:11:17pm

re: #24 Stanley Sea

Sweet dreams LGF.

I’m struggling with Stephen King’s 11/22/63. It is very good, but very very intense. I’m not as young and pliable as I used to be. Now, whenever I read King, there is anxiety!

This particular book is worth struggling through it.

43 darthstar  Sep 11, 2014 9:27:43pm

Crucify your kids with Christ’s love!

44 darthstar  Sep 11, 2014 9:31:15pm

re: #43 darthstar

Crucify your kids with Christ’s love!

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Okay…obviously a parody site…that’s disappointing.

45 Snarknado!  Sep 11, 2014 9:34:05pm

re: #43 darthstar

The 19th century produced devices for that purpose that were at least as disturbing as that one.

46 BadExampleMan  Sep 11, 2014 9:40:38pm

In general I don’t like to make fun of people’s appearances. If you ever saw a picture of me you’d understand why. But boy, does this bring to mind Orwell’s bon mot about how by the time he’s 50, every man has the face he deserves.

47 RadicalModerate  Sep 11, 2014 9:46:19pm

re: #1 Charles Johnson

He’s a Klingon spy, I tell you!

48 wheat-dogghazi  Sep 11, 2014 9:53:12pm

The bloke’s eyebrows need trimming to remove that sinister look, and the “smile” would scare most little kids shitless. The semi-frown ain’t helping his image, either.

49 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Sep 11, 2014 10:12:30pm

re: #44 darthstar

That one IS a parody but the device is real just not for the parody purpose.

50 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Sep 11, 2014 10:13:34pm

re: #48 wheat-dogghazi

He looms like he should be in a commercial for constipation relief.

51 simoom  Sep 11, 2014 10:14:52pm

re: #17 Jenner7

I bet people often forget to tally up their weekend days when comparing their own time off to those figures. As I recall, those numbers also count partial days off, for all presidents listed, as full days off.

52 ausador  Sep 11, 2014 10:16:11pm

A new outrageous outrage is in the making out there and starting to create some traffic on twitter. It seems the Wounded American Warrior site has caught the government red-handed giving away social security to Mexicans! OK, well, not really…

VIDEO: Man caught bus load of illegals being given Social Security

A Tennessee man, Mike Morrison, posted 3 videos on Facebook which showed a bus load of illegals being dropped off at the Memphis Social Security Administration office.

They were all issued passports at the border and then the American tax payers funded their all day excursion around town. This went on all day and night as the illegals were given your money.

My comment there explains what the videos are actually showing…

Ausador • 9 minutes ago

The Mexicans in the video are H-2A (temporary immigrant) seasonal workers, defined by the Dept. of labor as…

“The Immigration and Nationality Act (INA) authorizes the lawful admission of temporary (non-permanent), immigrant
workers (H-2A workers) to perform agricultural labor or services of a temporary or seasonal nature.” dol.gov

Any employer of H-2A workers has to comply with IRS regulations as to employee withholding and tax payments and also Social Security withholding on wages paid. For Social Security the employer has to…

“Keep a record for each worker—Show the worker’s name, Social Security number (copy it only from the Social Security card), cash wages paid and taxes you withhold. If the farm worker is subject to the Migrant and Seasonal Agricultural Workers Protection Act, the record also must show: the rate of pay; total hours worked each day and each week; the date that wages were paid; and the period of time covered by the payment.” Link

So cheer up folks, even though those farm laborers are required to pay into the Social Security trust they cannot collect from it. Not unless they later become naturalized American citizens that is. They get their pay to take back to Mexico minus withholding taxes and we get to keep all the taxes.

53 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Sep 11, 2014 10:27:01pm

re: #49 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

That one IS a parody but the device is real just not for the parody purpose.

When my son was about 18 months old, he fell down and cut his head on a rock. We took him to the doctor, who offered us a choice between a butterfly bandage and stitches. The downside of the bandage was that he might end up with a noticeable scar (albeit only about a quarter of an inch long). The downside of the stitches was that they would first have to strap him onto a device very much like the one pictured so that he wouldn’t be able to writhe while being stitched.

We chose the bandage.

54 ausador  Sep 11, 2014 10:41:03pm

re: #20 Sherlock Hound

Goddamned ghouls. I stopped reading James Lileks when he mentioned he replayed his Tivo’d coverage of that day. By now, that would be a 14-year old box. I hope its hard drive wore out.

The next McVeigh will be radicalized by that, mark my word.

It is all at the internet archive, all the coverage from 6 networks (plus a 2nd Fox station) for the 11th, 12th, and 13th broken up into about 45 minute segments.

archive.org

So the “ghouls” can watch any part of it anytime they want.

55 Mattand  Sep 11, 2014 10:54:37pm

re: #52 ausador

Love that headline: giving away Social Security. Makes it sound like Regan-era government cheese.

“Yes, I’d like three pounds of Social Security please. Oh, and can I get a pint of free Medicare, too?”

56 wheat-dogghazi  Sep 11, 2014 11:08:45pm

Dutch graphics arts student fakes a 5-week Asian tour on Facebook. She even had her family fooled.

She told an Amsterdam newspaper.

I did this to show people that we filter and manipulate what we show on social media, and that we create an online world which reality can no longer meet. My goal was to prove how common and easy it is to distort reality. Everybody knows that pictures of models are manipulated. But we often overlook the fact that we manipulate reality also in our own lives.

petapixel.com

57 William Barnett-Lewis  Sep 11, 2014 11:32:18pm

re: #55 Mattand

Love that headline: giving away Social Security. Makes it sound like Regan-era government cheese.

“Yes, I’d like three pounds of Social Security please. Oh, and can I get a pint of free Medicare, too?”

Ah but it takes government cheese to make indian tacos… venison, too, if you’re lucky. ;)

58 lostlakehiker  Sep 11, 2014 11:47:16pm

Bali. Mumbai. Beslan.

59 Targetpractice  Sep 11, 2014 11:49:40pm

One of those weird thoughts you have in the midst of insomnia: I miss old computer puzzle games. The kinda stuff that companies like Sierra were really popular for back in the 90s. Back when you had to crawl through a BBS at 2am trying to find a solution to a puzzle you’d been working at since 5pm the previous day just to make a bit of progress.

60 freetoken  Sep 11, 2014 11:55:14pm

re: #58 lostlakehiker

I’d argue that the shooting down MH17 was one of the bigger terror acts of late. And, acts of terrorism have been conducted this year in parts of Africa by self professed “Christians”.

The idea that “terror” and “Muslim” are synonymous is a trope of the hate-right.

Yes, there are very violent and explicitly Islamic groups operating in the world for the purpose of causing terror to civilians, but then to ascribe “terrorism” as a Muslim act would be like trying to blame all crime in the country on blacks.

Oh… wait… the hate right does that too…

61 Cheechako  Sep 12, 2014 12:43:17am

Here’s something for you late night visitors. Due to recent strong solar flares, the Aurora is very visible tonight. Here’s a web cam from Fairbanks Alaska showing the current display:

Alaska Aurora Webcam

Enjoy!!

62 sagehen  Sep 12, 2014 12:57:27am

Are there any good myths about the aurora, or notable folklore?

63 freetoken  Sep 12, 2014 1:06:02am

I wonder if we’re seeing a working out of an older issue:

U.S. JOURNALIST IS HELD BY IRAN; REASON UNCLEAR

Experiences shape our perceptions; perhaps Mr. Seib sees Muslims only through the lens of his experience.

Even if we have reflected on our past and think we understand why something happened, there are subtle ways in which our biases can still control us.

64 Stentor  Sep 12, 2014 1:08:59am

He looks so much like a kiddie-fucker that even the other child molesters’ say, “Damn! That guy looks like one of us!”

65 Targetpractice  Sep 12, 2014 1:14:45am

I tuned into the reading of the verdict in the Pistorius trial 10 minutes ago…10 minutes later, I’m beginning to wonder if this judge is going to finish reading the stack of papers she’s got before her sometime in the next century.

66 Targetpractice  Sep 12, 2014 1:20:26am

Is this judge getting paid by the word? GET ON WITH IT!

67 Targetpractice  Sep 12, 2014 1:27:29am
68 William Barnett-Lewis  Sep 12, 2014 1:37:24am

re: #67 Targetpractice

Yeah, that’s what I expected. Gotta get the famous jock off…

69 ausador  Sep 12, 2014 1:38:45am

re: #66 Targetpractice

Is this judge getting paid by the word? GET ON WITH IT!

They don’t have juries, just judges, so the judge has to write a very detailed ruling and read it into the record to avoid appeal grounds. They have to explain the reasoning and cite every relevant law/code that they are applying in their ruling and/or sentencing.

Watched a video this morning where a couple of the local talking heads said that sometimes a judge will take up to two days just to read a ruling into the record.

70 ausador  Sep 12, 2014 1:59:54am

Tricksy…

71 ausador  Sep 12, 2014 2:25:29am
72 wheat-dogghazi  Sep 12, 2014 2:27:39am

re: #70 ausador

Took me a minute …

73 ausador  Sep 12, 2014 2:53:39am

Some really gorgeous good sized photos at this one…

74 Varek Raith  Sep 12, 2014 3:17:19am

Hello from orbit.

75 Dire Straits  Sep 12, 2014 4:09:50am

re: #67 Targetpractice

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He (Oscar Pistorious) still got off easy.

76 Timothy Watson  Sep 12, 2014 4:10:06am

re: #71 ausador

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Okay, which one of you let Kitty escape?

(Pardon the Dragon Age: Origins reference.)

77 Varek Raith  Sep 12, 2014 4:18:51am

re: #76 Timothy Watson

Okay, which one of you let Kitty escape?

(Pardon the Dragon Age: Origins reference.)

I let her go.
/evil

78 Pie-onist Overlord  Sep 12, 2014 4:22:10am

OH HAI!

I found my timeline full of Derp this morning so here is some crazy to laugh at & make fun of.

Um no actually I think these folks may be dangerous.

79 Decatur Deb  Sep 12, 2014 4:33:01am

re: #78 Pie-onist Overlord

OH HAI!

I found my timeline full of Derp this morning so here is some crazy to laugh at & make fun of.

Um no actually I think these folks may be dangerous.

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Never a jack-booted thug around when you need them.

80 Timothy Watson  Sep 12, 2014 4:46:40am

re: #78 Pie-onist Overlord

OH HAI!

I found my timeline full of Derp this morning so here is some crazy to laugh at & make fun of.

Um no actually I think these folks may be dangerous.

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Because al Qaeda and the Taliban only shoot down American helicopters if there are SEALs on them.

81 Pie-onist Overlord  Sep 12, 2014 4:47:40am

re: #80 Timothy Watson

Because al Qaeda and the Taliban only shoot down American helicopters if there are SEALs on them.

Wait, what? You mean Obama didn’t knock it out of the sky with a carefully aimed golf ball?

82 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Sep 12, 2014 5:07:15am

re: #60 freetoken

I’d argue that the shooting down MH17 was one of the bigger terror acts of late.

Usually we call terrorist acts the ones that are intended to strike fear and terror into someone for political/ideological purposes, and are usually aimed at non-combatants, while the shooting of MH17 had no such provable intent and was intended to hit a military target. It was surely a crime, but whether it was an act of terror depends on how wide our def of terrorism is, i.e. whether we also include simply the unlawful acts of war, regardless of the intent.

83 Sherlock Hound  Sep 12, 2014 5:07:33am

re: #64 Stentor

Or a peep show owner. Mad Magazine had a delightful Al Jaffee portrayal of such a character, with his beady eyes, beret, glasses and smirk.

84 Pie-onist Overlord  Sep 12, 2014 5:09:05am

re: #83 Sherlock Hound

Or a peep show owner. Mad Magazine had a delightful Al Jaffee portrayal of such a character, with his beady eyes, beret, glasses and smirk.

Back in the day, Mad Magazine kicked ass and Cracked was a lame copycat. Today, it’s reversed. Cracked learned how to do listicles and clickbait while Mad stayed in print & became increasingly crusty & wingnutty.

85 Bubblehead II  Sep 12, 2014 5:10:41am

Morning Lizards. Just posted a new page that you History and photo buffs might be interested in.

86 Sherlock Hound  Sep 12, 2014 5:13:09am

re: #84 Pie-onist Overlord

I love my Mad DVD-ROM collection.
I’m not even sure Cracked has any of the same staff as when it was print. I thought someone bought the name and likeness and ran with it. Still excellent.

87 Feline Fearless Leader  Sep 12, 2014 5:15:18am

re: #62 sagehen

Are there any good myths about the aurora, or notable folklore?

It can be invoked via shrill screaming?
//

88 1Peter G1  Sep 12, 2014 5:17:54am

Journalism is a great profession. Especially if your best subject in high school was typing. You don’t have to know anything about science to write about science or economics to write about that. You don’t really have to know anything at all! But the best part is that if you type stuff for at least a year then you are pretty much guaranteed to win an award and therefore become an award winning journalist. Journalism has more awards than the movies, television and music industries combined. Every one newspaper town has some awards dinner every freaking year. Even Susie Madrak can claim to be an award winning journalist. The real philosophical question is who types stuff and doesn’t have an award? Wait! I’ve just had an idea! How about a new reality show about a group of hunters looking for an unawarded journalist? You know, like hunting for big foot. Only harder.

89 Decatur Deb  Sep 12, 2014 5:18:06am

re: #62 sagehen

Are there any good myths about the aurora, or notable folklore?

Remember it being a feature, at least for atmosphere, in the Lemminkainen.

en.wikipedia.org

90 Decatur Deb  Sep 12, 2014 5:32:06am

More Aurora myth:

books.google.com

91 b.d.  Sep 12, 2014 5:41:11am

So the Froomkin article that I linked to last night that suggested that Obama may not be a war mongering blood slurping monster after all no longer is found anywhere on The Intercept’s front page. It is still there if you pull down articles from Froomkin but it cannot be found by perusing their site.

I retract anything nice I may have implied.

92 Bulworth  Sep 12, 2014 5:49:55am

re:
#91

Obama worser than Bush!!!11

93 Bulworth  Sep 12, 2014 5:54:31am

re:
#78

I think Free Lunch got locked in his parent’s basement this morning.

/

94 makeitstop  Sep 12, 2014 5:57:18am

‘Morning, Lizards,

My FB wingnuts, to a one, are all posting their mentally stunted takes on Obama’s ‘ISIL is not Islamic’ statement from the other night.

It’s what passes for high wit among knuckle-draggers nowadays - take part of a statement, strip it of all context, and mock the person who said it for being stupid.

It’s gonna be one of those days.

Has TMZ landed the Palin brawl video yet?

95 S'latch  Sep 12, 2014 5:58:00am

I appreciate the link because from the U.S. it is easy to overlook just how huge the Muslim world is. The vast majority of Muslims have to be peaceful. I think the President’s stated approach to ISIL is right on target. I hope that every one involved in the thing called the Islamic State is neutralized.

96 lawhawk  Sep 12, 2014 6:02:20am

re: #27 Charles Johnson

97 A Mom Anon  Sep 12, 2014 6:04:49am

re: #94 makeitstop

The Palin thing did make the national news this morning, with the note that Hannity didn’t mention it in his “interview” with Princess Dumbass of the North Woods last night. And a brief clip of the homeowner who owned the house where the party happened. He mentioned the “do you know who we are?” part, and he said the cops only showed up after the Palins left, almost implying it was the Palins that called the cops. It’s only a matter of time before we have video. Tee, to the Hee.

98 lawhawk  Sep 12, 2014 6:06:54am

So, this happened. Pistorus found guilty of culpable homicide, which is essentially the US equivalent of a manslaughter conviction.

Can’t say I’m surprised or shocked.

99 Lidane  Sep 12, 2014 6:13:22am

What is it about baked goods that makes moralistic scolds so stupid?

Witchcraft-obsessed townsfolk try to drive out teen who opened Naughty Girls Donut Shop

Tiana Ramos, a 16-year-old high school senior, owns and operates Naught Girls Donut Shop at a shopping mall in her hometown, Front Royal.

She works at the 1950s pinup-themed bakery before and after school, along with other teens dressed in rockabilly-style clothing.

But the store’s name, and its framed artwork featuring photos of Marilyn Monroe and Betty Page, have drawn the ire of “a strong Conservative Alliance group” in the town, accusing Ramos and her business of promoting promiscuous behavior.

100 A Mom Anon  Sep 12, 2014 6:17:33am

re: #99 Lidane

So pin ups are pornographic now? And what do you want to bet that this “conservative action group” is nothing more than a couple of busybody gossips who have no life outside of that?

If only people would use their powers for good instead of stupid.

(and with that I’m off to go get the No Longer A Teen from school for the weekend. After this he has two weeks left in his program, sigh)

101 Romantic Heretic  Sep 12, 2014 6:18:30am

re: #25 goddamnedfrank

Ready said he only put that link up because he called for open discussion. “I don’t think (the Sandy Hook shootings have) been proven. And what’s wrong with open discussion?”

If you insist, Mr. Ready. In that case, lie down on this couch and we’ll discuss your relationship with your mother.

102 Feline Fearless Leader  Sep 12, 2014 6:19:05am

re: #93 Bulworth

re:
#78

I think Free Lunch got locked in his parent’s basement this morning.

/

I actually think he doesn’t exist at all.
//

103 Feline Fearless Leader  Sep 12, 2014 6:20:38am

re: #99 Lidane

What is it about baked goods that makes moralistic scolds so stupid?

Witchcraft-obsessed townsfolk try to drive out teen who opened Naughty Girls Donut Shop

Yep. You can’t allow boys and doughnuts to mix since they then get impure thoughts.
//

104 Romantic Heretic  Sep 12, 2014 6:21:58am

re: #37 Targetpractice

I stopped paying attention to the WSJ back when it became Rupert Murdoch’s newest propaganda mill. Soviet-era Pravda had more truth in its pages than the WSJ’s editorials do today.

That’s because Rupert Murdoch agrees with Marx on how a capitalist economic system works. They agree that capitalists will pursue profits and power even if such a pursuit is dangerous to society. The only difference is that Marx thought this was a bad thing and Murdoch thinks this is a good thing.

So it’s not surprising that Murdoch’s media would bear a close resemblance to its now vanished Soviet counterparts.

105 Feline Fearless Leader  Sep 12, 2014 6:24:06am

Good Morning Lizards! Dropped into the 60s last night and this morning is relatively clear and sunny here in Philadelphia. Chance of rain tomorrow, but otherwise looks like a nice just-before-official-Fall weekend.

This morning’s photo is the “No Smoking” sign used at the Memphis Zoo.

Obey the Dragon!

And as a bonus, some prize winning gourds.

(insert witty remark here)

106 Romantic Heretic  Sep 12, 2014 6:26:08am

re: #43 darthstar

Um, really? Is that from the same people who said beating a child proves your love for Jesus?

107 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Sep 12, 2014 6:30:02am

Youtube Video

108 Sherlock Hound  Sep 12, 2014 6:31:49am

re: #104 Romantic Heretic

Even before Murdoch, the WSJ’s editorial staff was known for being really right-winged. I believe their infamous “lucky duckies” editorial predates Murdock.

Of course back then, it was said that the WSJ had quality journalism to make up for the editorial back-room hackery. Perhaps not anymore.

109 Petero1818  Sep 12, 2014 6:33:28am

Not to defend this particular journalist as I have no knowledge of his past writing, but I do not believe the highlighted caption on its own to be an example of bigotry. Firstly Charles rightly points out that the Muslim world enucumpasses far more than the middle east, but, the “morass of war and terror of the Muslim world” encumpasses more than just the middle east as well, North Africa, Asia, Subcontinent. There is no question that the Muslim world, whether taken as the Ummah or in a geopolitical reference to countries with majority Islamic populations face a disproportionate amount of war and terrorism than are faced in the non-muslim world at this particular time in history.
I do not suggest a reason for this (there are many), and I have not read the article in question to know if this particular journalist does (though I suspect if he did it would have been included here) but from most objective criteria the Muslim world faces serious issues of instability either intenally or internationally. If one took Indonesia out of the equation (and lets not forget - Indonesia does face islamic terrorist cells still) the situation looks even worse.
Again, I have no idea whether this guy is a bigot or not. I do not however find the statement above to be offensive. North Africa, Iran, Afghanistan, Pakistan, all part of the Muslim World, all have a problem with the Morass of war and terror. Could he have been more specific and named the places one by one? I suppose, but to me that is not the issue.

110 darthstar  Sep 12, 2014 6:34:27am

October 18, 2001:

LETTERMAN: How are things going in Afghanistan now?

MCCAIN: I think we’re doing fine …. I think we’ll do fine. The second phase — if I could just make one, very quickly — the second phase is Iraq. There is some indication, and I don’t have the conclusions, but some of this anthrax may — and I emphasize may — have come from Iraq.

LETTERMAN: Oh is that right?

MCCAIN: If that should be the case, that’s when some tough decisions are gonna have to be made.

Read more at Wonkette: wonkette.com
Read more at wonkette.com

Unsolicited bullshit while the buildings still smoldered. McCain is a fucking asshole.

111 wheat-dogghazi  Sep 12, 2014 6:45:33am

re: #97 A Mom Anon

Amanda Coyne has more dirt on the Palin Clan ruckus:
amandacoyne.com

Bristol should forget about dancing, and take up MMA.

The owner of the house, Klingenmeyer, was trying to head them off at the pass. He approached them and told them to leave. Bristol, according to Thompson and other witnesses, planted her feet, “stood straight up, brought her arm back and cold-cocked him right in the face,” Thompson said.

And then she did it again, about six more times, before he pushed her away, and she fell, and Todd appeared.

112 Aqua Obama  Sep 12, 2014 6:46:06am

Ferguson: Woman shot during protest says police have yet to speak to her

It’s been a MONTH

“We had to call 911 three times before we got a response vehicle there,” she said. “When they arrived, officers came with guns drawn. They questioned the homeowners about how long they’ve lived in the house; if it was under their name, and asked me what happened. I said ‘I was shot,’ obviously.’”

Aaten-White graduated from Howard University in Washington D.C. When her alma mater found out police weren’t taking her case seriously, they hired a lawyer to step in.

Since then, Aaten-White said she has been trying to get an investigation going with police about who shot her. Her lawyer, hired by her alma mater, is shocked by the Ferguson Police Department’s response.

News 4 attempted to contact Ferguson police, but the department directed News 4 to a PR firm, the Devin-James Group. News 4 eventually obtained a police report. Devin James said the investigation in ongoing.

113 De Kolta Chair  Sep 12, 2014 6:49:22am

Ian Paisley, Ulster Hard-Liner Who Made Peace, Dies at 88

114 wheat-dogghazi  Sep 12, 2014 6:51:16am

re: #99 Lidane

What is it about baked goods that makes moralistic scolds so stupid?

Witchcraft-obsessed townsfolk try to drive out teen who opened Naughty Girls Donut Shop

Apparently Betty Page and Marilyn Monroe’s photos are too hot for Front Royal boys to handle. Dog knows what would happen if they got their eyes on Playboy or worse, Internet pr0n.

115 Lidane  Sep 12, 2014 6:57:26am

Oh fun. It looks like the new guy who was supposed to start this week flaked out today. He’s been in the office training all week but today was supposed to be his first full day on the floor. Total no show.

116 Pie-onist Overlord  Sep 12, 2014 6:59:07am

re: #115 Lidane

Oh fun. It looks like the new guy who was supposed to start this week flaked out today. He’s been in the office training all week but today was supposed to be his first full day on the floor. Total no show.

He found a better job at Chipotle

117 Petero1818  Sep 12, 2014 7:00:00am

re: #115 Lidane

Oh fun. It looks like the new guy who was supposed to start this week flaked out today. He’s been in the office training all week but today was supposed to be his first full day on the floor. Total no show.

Toughest part of running a business is managing people. It is amazing to me just how many total flakes there are out there.

118 wheat-dogghazi  Sep 12, 2014 7:00:06am

You coders will appreciate this news: my son is now a junior developer at searchspring.com. He starts in two weeks.

119 Lidane  Sep 12, 2014 7:00:54am

re: #116 Pie-onist Overlord

He found a better job at Chipotle

I wouldn’t doubt it. I’m sure Chipotle pays more.

120 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Sep 12, 2014 7:03:50am

re: #119 Lidane

I wouldn’t doubt it. I’m sure Chipotle pays more.

Did you hear about the PA Chipotle staff that just up and quit the other day?

121 ObserverArt  Sep 12, 2014 7:04:06am

re: #99 Lidane

What is it about baked goods that makes moralistic scolds so stupid?

Witchcraft-obsessed townsfolk try to drive out teen who opened Naughty Girls Donut Shop

Hello…1940/50s pinups. 60-70 years later and some uptight old codger* conservative Christians are upset.

I guess they are all upset because they can be. That’s what they learned from their Christian teachings. “Go out into the world and be upset by everything. Be contemptuous of your fellow man. See sin in everything. Hate everything and you shall be complete and ready to enter the Kingdom of Gawd!”

Oh yeah…happy Friday morning! I felt like a good rant to kick off the online day.

122 Bubblehead II  Sep 12, 2014 7:04:16am

Some light hearted humor to help start the day.

123 De Kolta Chair  Sep 12, 2014 7:06:06am

re: #114 wheat-dogghazi

Apparently Betty Page and Marilyn Monroe’s photos are too hot for Front Royal boys to handle. Dog knows what would happen if they got their eyes on Playboy or worse, Internet pr0n.

“Little ol’ me?”

124 wheat-dogghazi  Sep 12, 2014 7:14:36am

re: #123 De Kolta Chair

The girl has a great marketing idea, and apparently is a talented pastry chef. In a just world, everybody in her town would be applauding her ambition and skills, not trying to tear her down.

125 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Sep 12, 2014 7:16:54am

re: #123 De Kolta Chair

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“Little ol’ me?”

There’s a documentary on Netflix which is mainly an extended interview with Betty Page at the end of her life. She was … a free spirit, to say the least. It’s a fascinating doc, too. Highly recommended.

126 Pie-onist Overlord  Sep 12, 2014 7:17:13am

re: #124 wheat-dogghazi

The girl has a great marketing idea, and apparently is a talented pastry chef. In a just world, everybody in her town would be applauding her ambition and skills, not trying to tear her down.

I noticed that the usual tcot outrage machine over “lemonade stands” has nothing to say about this young entrepreneur.

127 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Sep 12, 2014 7:17:55am

re: #124 wheat-dogghazi

The girl has a great marketing idea, and apparently is a talented pastry chef. In a just world, everybody in her town would be applauding her ambition and skills, not trying to tear her down.

Agreed. Seems like she’s a “maker,” according to wingnut typology.

128 wheat-dogghazi  Sep 12, 2014 7:18:50am

re: #126 Pie-onist Overlord

I noticed that the usual tcot outrage machine over “lemonade stands” has nothing to say about this young entrepreneur.

Maybe because she’s Hispanic and has tats. Just sayin’

129 1Peter G1  Sep 12, 2014 7:19:10am

re: #109 Petero1818

You would be right about that. And if anyone would like to check to see if you are right I would recommend they contact the survivors of the bar bombing in Bali. An event perpetrated by Al Qaeda cells in Indonesia which I will point out to the geography challenged is located in the Asia Pacific region.

130 De Kolta Chair  Sep 12, 2014 7:19:25am

re: #125 Rev_Arthur_Belling

There’s a documentary on Netflix which is mainly an extended interview with Betty Page at the end of her life. She was … a free spirit, to say the least. It’s a fascinating doc, too. Highly recommended.

I watched that just the other day and recommend it too.

131 wheat-dogghazi  Sep 12, 2014 7:20:14am

re: #127 Rev_Arthur_Belling

Agreed. Seems like she’s a “maker,” according to wingnut typology.

A jrrbs creator!

132 Bulworth  Sep 12, 2014 7:20:44am

Betty Page rocks. Rocked.

133 lawhawk  Sep 12, 2014 7:22:47am

Escaped school shooter in OH recaptured near prison where he broke out last night.

A teenager convicted of killing three students at an Ohio high school scrambled over a fence to escape a state prison with two other prisoners, only to be caught nearly six hours later early Friday as he hid by a nearby church, authorities said.

T.J. Lane, 19, was caught by two State Highway Patrol troopers at 1:20 a.m. Friday. A second prisoner had been caught almost immediately after the Thursday night escape, and troopers apprehended the third three hours after finding Lane.

Nearly 200 miles to the east, Lane’s brief taste of freedom put fear into the hearts of residents in Chardon, the community outside of Cleveland where Lane fatally shot three students and wounded two others.

Police officers were sent to guard the homes of the families of Lane’s victims, while school officials huddled and ultimately decided to cancel classes Friday and make counseling available for students and the larger community.

134 Pie-onist Overlord  Sep 12, 2014 7:25:34am

re: #133 lawhawk

Escaped school shooter in OH recaptured near prison where he broke out last night.

How is it that this active shooter was captured alive and not shot dead at the scene?

Never mind. I know why.

135 Bulworth  Sep 12, 2014 7:25:43am

OT, So today I finally called the company that cleans my house every other week to cancel my service. Hated to do it. I hate to disappoint people. And me canceling a service or retracting a monthly donation feels like that.

But the cat expenses this year have wrecked serious havoc on my budget. I might need to cut some other stuff, too, although the cleaning service was the big ticket item, relatively speaking.

At least I am, at age 47, about to turn 48, starting to act in an adult way about these things, pay attention to my money. I wasn’t paying attention to the details for quite a while. In middle age I’m trying to clean up the various messes I’ve neglected or created.

But the cats will be cared for. All else will have to wait.

136 ObserverArt  Sep 12, 2014 7:25:45am

re: #121 ObserverArt

Hello…1940/50s pinups. 60-70 years later and some uptight old codger* conservative Christians are upset.

I guess they are all upset because they can be. That’s what they learned from their Christian teachings. “Go out into the world and be upset by everything. Be contemptuous of your fellow man. See sin in everything. Hate everything and you shall be complete and ready to enter the Kingdom of Gawd!”

Oh yeah…happy Friday morning! I felt like a good rant to kick off the online day.

Oops. Forgot the note to the asterisk. * I’m now 60…so I can call anyone I want an old codger as an oldster myself. I just don’t codger!

137 Bulworth  Sep 12, 2014 7:27:04am

re:
#134

I don’t know, but there’s something about that face. Let me think a minute….//

Did he bumrush cop and blow out eye socket like my File Photo here???!?!?!

138 De Kolta Chair  Sep 12, 2014 7:27:42am

The family of the late Ian Paisley requests that in lieu of flowers mourners observe a moment of shouting at the top of their lungs.

139 b.d.  Sep 12, 2014 7:27:48am

So I guess that we’ve run out of other things to whine about:

140 Bulworth  Sep 12, 2014 7:28:34am

re:
#121

That’s what they learned from their Christian teachings. “Go out into the world and be upset by everything. Be contemptuous of your fellow man. See sin in everything. Hate everything and you shall be complete and ready to enter the Kingdom of Gawd!”

That’s about the sum of it. It’s not all of it, of course. But it’s very hard to be happy and appealing and all full of Grace when this is the mindset underneath it all. I lived it for many years.

141 Feline Fearless Leader  Sep 12, 2014 7:29:28am

re: #121 ObserverArt

Hello…1940/50s pinups. 60-70 years later and some uptight old codger* conservative Christians are upset.

I guess they are all upset because they can be. That’s what they learned from their Christian teachings. “Go out into the world and be upset by everything. Be contemptuous of your fellow man. See sin in everything. Hate everything and you shall be complete and ready to enter the Kingdom of Gawd!”

Oh yeah…happy Friday morning! I felt like a good rant to kick off the online day.

The New Deal is what made God turn away from America. The pin-ups followed.
//

142 lawhawk  Sep 12, 2014 7:29:42am

I leave this for someone else to post, but here’s the basics.

Hannity had a guest on last night to discuss the whole Ray Rice scandal. This person, A.J. Delgado (a woman), actually blames Janay for the whole incident. More than that, she actually claims that Janay knocked herself out.

She paints Janay as the aggressor, and that Ray was the victim here.

Some might say I’m defending Ray Rice here. Maybe I am, but if you watch the video, the video actually helps makes him look better than he did before. She repeatedly attacked him. He’s a victim—flat-out fact—of domestic violence. Only after she’s hit him several times and spit on him does he finally hit back. … And she happens because of that blow to knock herself out on the railing. That was an unintended consequence, I’m sure.

Umm, what video was she watching? The RWNJ version (obviously). Moreover, if Ray was the victim, why did he basically drag her out of the elevator like a caveman. He didn’t show any kind of compassion towards her at any point.

Besides that, the AC police report indicates that he punched her. It’s indisputable that he knocked her out.

She’s blaming the victim of a domestic violence incident for the incident occurring.

Here’s the kicker.

She’s been featured at National Review, including for an article called “Crying Rape”. Shocking. I know.

143 b.d.  Sep 12, 2014 7:30:36am

re: #134 Pie-onist Overlord

How is it that this active shooter was captured alive and not shot dead at the scene?

Never mind. I know why.
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BECAUSE A WHITE MURDERING ESCAPED PRISONER IS NOT AS DANGEROUS AS BEING AN UNARMED BLACK TEEN WALKING DOWN THE STREET !

144 Schadenboner  Sep 12, 2014 7:30:41am

re: #36 gwangung

Well, sir, how long have you been using cheap hookers n Fox St.?

Wait. What’s wrong with open discussion?

Are you kidding me? The ones on Fox are way too expensive for what I want them for.

Wait, shit…

145 De Kolta Chair  Sep 12, 2014 7:32:10am

re: #142 lawhawk

FEMINISM PUNCHED HER!!!

146 Bubblehead II  Sep 12, 2014 7:34:54am
147 Bulworth  Sep 12, 2014 7:35:18am

re:
#142

She’s been featured at National Review, including for an article called “
Crying Rape
”. Shocking. I know.

My surprise face. I’m sure it’s around here somewhere.

You know, sometimes, I just don’t get the conservative schtick. Like with the Michael Brown case. It’s weeks after his shooting and wingnuts are still knee-deep in the “let’s get this kids juvy records and blown eye socket file photos and his step-dad’s gang affiliations”, etc. Doesn’t make any sense. Just doesn’t seem like normal person behavior, these attempts to make the victim the bad guy/woman, turn truth upside down. Not surprising they’re leading the charge to revise the perception of this case.

148 wheat-dogghazi  Sep 12, 2014 7:35:31am

re: #141 Feline Fearless Leader

The New Deal is what made God turn away from America. The pin-ups followed.
//

Then came Playboy, and the end of civilization as we knew it. //

149 Jenner7  Sep 12, 2014 7:35:47am

re: #142 lawhawk

This is just disgusting. What did Hannity have to say? I haven’t seen the video, but I “heard” that Rice spit on her before they got on the elevator.

150 lawhawk  Sep 12, 2014 7:38:29am

re: #149 Jenner7

He wasn’t buying it, but didn’t completely knock her nonsensical ravings for what it is. Via RawStory:

Delgado argued, however, that Janay Rice did not consider herself a victim, “and some might even say, watching that video, Ray Rice is the bigger victim of domestic violence here.”

She added that liberals were “patronizing” Janay Rice by calling her a victim.

“We know the truth, though, because we’ve got the video tape,” Hannity observed. “But you said he’s a victim because why? Because she slapped him and spit on him?”

Media Matters has the interview on video.

151 Pie-onist Overlord  Sep 12, 2014 7:38:33am

re: #149 Jenner7

This is just disgusting. What did Hannity have to say? I haven’t seen the video, but I “heard” that Rice spit on her before they got on the elevator.

The wingnut version is that Janay spit on Rice and that’s why he punched her out.

152 De Kolta Chair  Sep 12, 2014 7:38:57am

The city of Alamogordo, New Mexico, voted late Tuesday night to auction off 800 of the 1,300 Atari cartridges that were dug up during an excavation of a landfill in April.

arstechnica.com

153 Bulworth  Sep 12, 2014 7:39:30am

re:
#149

They just can’t help themselves. They can spend two years conspiracy mongering about Benghazi with no evidence and in cases where there is real, visual, live evidence, like this case, Fox is all like “No, that isn’t what really happened, if you freeze it frame by frame you see the spit go into his eye and travel down his arm and this led his arm to spastically shoot out and strike her….”

They’re nuts.

154 lawhawk  Sep 12, 2014 7:40:15am

re: #141 Feline Fearless Leader

The New Deal is what made God turn away from America. The pin-ups followed.
//

I thought it was the flapper girls of the 1920s. Or was the Victorian women like Mistress Vastra and Jenny.

Americans are so puritanical when it comes to sexuality. It’s no wonder we’ve got so many people with screwed up ideas about sexuality, reproduction, reproductive health, and gender roles.

155 Schadenboner  Sep 12, 2014 7:40:43am

re: #152 De Kolta Chair

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The city of Alamogordo, New Mexico, voted late Tuesday night to auction off 800 of the 1,300 Atari cartridges that were dug up during an excavation of a landfill in April.

arstechnica.com

Oh shit, they’ve unearthed the ET game.

Ruuuunnnn.

(Background)

156 Bulworth  Sep 12, 2014 7:41:06am

re:
#150

She added that liberals were “patronizing” Janay Rice by calling her a victim.

That’s the only purpose of the interview, which is to buttress the entire purpose of Fox News, which is to criticize liberals.

157 Targetpractice  Sep 12, 2014 7:41:21am

re: #147 Bulworth

re:
#142

My surprise face. I’m sure it’s around here somewhere.

You know, sometimes, I just don’t get the conservative schtick. Like with the Michael Brown case. It’s weeks after his shooting and wingnuts are still knee-deep in the “let’s get this kids juvy records and blown eye socket file photos and his step-dad’s gang affiliations”, etc. Doesn’t make any sense. Just doesn’t seem like normal person behavior, these attempts to make the victim the bad guy/woman, turn truth upside down. Not surprising they’re leading the charge to revise the perception of this case.

It’s about affirming a world view, about keeping a consistent internal belief system. With Brown it was about assuring themselves that cops never kill without a “good reason,” that he had to have done something to deserve being shot that afternoon. That he was black just reinforced that need, gave them the convenient outlet of his being a “thug.”

With Rice, it about the belief that domestic violence is “overblown,” again believing there was a “good reason” that he cold-cocked his fiance. Or, at the very least, they want to believe that domestic abuse is something that can be tackled with “help,” with counseling, rather than holding the abuser accountable.

158 wheat-dogghazi  Sep 12, 2014 7:42:46am

re: #154 lawhawk

I thought it was the flapper girls of the 1920s. Or was the Victorian women like Mistress Vastra and Jenny.

Americans are so puritanical when it comes to sexuality. It’s no wonder we’ve got so many people with screwed up ideas about sexuality, reproduction, reproductive health, and gender roles.

But we should note that they only pitch a fit when women exhibit normal sexuality, or when there is gay (as in not lesbian) sexuality involved.

159 De Kolta Chair  Sep 12, 2014 7:43:18am

re: #155 Schadenboner

Oh shit, they’re unearting the ET game.

Ruuuunnnn.

“I am become death, the destroyer of worlds, and thumbs.” — Robert Oppenheimer, Trinity 1945

160 Targetpractice  Sep 12, 2014 7:44:51am

re: #155 Schadenboner

Oh shit, they’re unearting the ET game.

Ruuuunnnn.

(Background)

Youtube Video

161 Schadenboner  Sep 12, 2014 7:45:54am

re: #159 De Kolta Chair

“I am become death, the destroyer of worlds.” — Robert Oppenheimer, Trinity 1945

Clearly he wasn’t trying hard enough.

162 ObserverArt  Sep 12, 2014 7:47:34am

re: #147 Bulworth

re:
#142

My surprise face. I’m sure it’s around here somewhere.

You know, sometimes, I just don’t get the conservative schtick. Like with the Michael Brown case. It’s weeks after his shooting and wingnuts are still knee-deep in the “let’s get this kids juvy records and blown eye socket file photos and his step-dad’s gang affiliations”, etc. Doesn’t make any sense. Just doesn’t seem like normal person behavior, these attempts to make the victim the bad guy/woman, turn truth upside down. Not surprising they’re leading the charge to revise the perception of this case.

Who thinks any conservative wingnut is normal? I think part of being labeled a wingnut is that person giving up any sense of normalcy to become a stark-raving, foaming-at-the-brain lunatic.

(Not criticizing you Bulworth - just term clarity)

163 HappyWarrior  Sep 12, 2014 7:48:04am

re: #142 lawhawk

I leave this for someone else to post, but here’s the basics.

Hannity had a guest on last night to discuss the whole Ray Rice scandal. This person, A.J. Delgado (a woman), actually blames Janay for the whole incident. More than that, she actually claims that Janay knocked herself out.

She paints Janay as the aggressor, and that Ray was the victim here.

Umm, what video was she watching? The RWNJ version (obviously). Moreover, if Ray was the victim, why did he basically drag her out of the elevator like a caveman. He didn’t show any kind of compassion towards her at any point.

Besides that, the AC police report indicates that he punched her. It’s indisputable that he knocked her out.

She’s blaming the victim of a domestic violence incident for the incident occurring.

Here’s the kicker.

She’s been featured at National Review, including for an article called “Crying Rape”. Shocking. I know.

I think someone needs to post the Madeline Albright quote. Yikes though. I’m not surprised though that there are lots of women defending Rice. It’s sick but I am not surprised at all. The WaPo had an article about many Ravens fans including many women still wearing his jersey and supporting him. I mean damn. This was actually got on tape and people are still acting like what Ray Rice did wasn’t a big deal. Really fuck Delgado and double fuck the NR for publishing her sexist shit.

164 Timothy Watson  Sep 12, 2014 7:48:25am

re: #99 Lidane

What is it about baked goods that makes moralistic scolds so stupid?

Witchcraft-obsessed townsfolk try to drive out teen who opened Naughty Girls Donut Shop

Man, I live in the boonies of Central Virginia (outside Fredericksburg), but man, I’m glad I’m not in Front Royal.

165 HappyWarrior  Sep 12, 2014 7:48:54am

I am almost getting to the point where I’m going to stop watching the NFL and it’s honestly too bad because I have fond memories of visiting my grandfather and him teaching me about the game.

166 HappyWarrior  Sep 12, 2014 7:49:23am

re: #164 Timothy Watson

Man, I live in the boonies of Central Virginia (outside Fredericksburg), but man, I’m glad I’m not in Front Royal.

Front Royal ain’t far from here. Sheesh.

167 Lidane  Sep 12, 2014 7:52:17am

re: #154 lawhawk

Americans are so puritanical when it comes to sexuality. It’s no wonder we’ve got so many people with screwed up ideas about sexuality, reproduction, reproductive health, and gender roles.

What’s interesting is that even the actual Puritans weren’t as nonsensical about sex as some of the wingnuts today. Bundling was a big thing at the time, after all, and that’s far more intimate than what some of the purity ball types can handle.

168 ObserverArt  Sep 12, 2014 7:52:48am

re: #141 Feline Fearless Leader

The New Deal is what made God turn away from America. The pin-ups followed.
//

re: #148 wheat-dogghazi

Then came Playboy, and the end of civilization as we knew it. //

Congratulations. You both have completely described and defined the entire conservative movement since the New Deal through Fall 2014.

Everybody can log off for now. Our work for this day is done.

///I’m not really kidding though. It really is that simpleton.

169 Timothy Watson  Sep 12, 2014 7:52:50am

re: #163 HappyWarrior

I think someone needs to post the Madeline Albright quote. Yikes though. I’m not surprised though that there are lots of women defending Rice. It’s sick but I am not surprised at all. The WaPo had an article about many Ravens fans including many women still wearing his jersey and supporting him. I mean damn. This was actually got on tape and people are still acting like what Ray Rice did wasn’t a big deal. Really fuck Delgado and double fuck the NR for publishing her sexist shit.

When I saw “Delgado”, I immediately thought of Eugene Delgaudio, full metal wingnut and a member of the Loudoun County (Virginia) Board of Supervisors. I think someone had some fun choosing his picture on Wikipedia:
en.wikipedia.org

170 Targetpractice  Sep 12, 2014 7:53:20am

re: #165 HappyWarrior

I am almost getting to the point where I’m going to stop watching the NFL and it’s honestly too bad because I have fond memories of visiting my grandfather and him teaching me about the game.

This is honestly one of those times where I’m thankful I never got into watching football except at gatherings. Because it seems like every time I turn around now, a player is getting arrested for something or committing suicide.

171 HappyWarrior  Sep 12, 2014 7:54:45am

re: #169 Timothy Watson

When I saw “Delgado”, I immediately thought of Eugene Delgaudio, full metal wingnut and a member of the Loudoun County (Virginia) Board of Supervisors. I think someone had some fun choosing his picture on Wikipedia:
en.wikipedia.org

Yeah I know about Eugene Delgaudio. He is flat out crazy when it comes to hating gay people. I don’t understand how Sterling keeps him. Sterling’s never struck me as a right wing bastion. I grew up in nearby Herndon.

172 wheat-dogghazi  Sep 12, 2014 7:55:02am

re: #142 lawhawk

Googling A.J. Delgado turns up a ton of RW websites for which she writes. She sounds like the latest version of Ann Coulter or S.E. Cupp. There must be some kind of factory where they churn out these chicks.

173 HappyWarrior  Sep 12, 2014 7:57:33am

re: #172 wheat-dogghazi

Googling A.J. Delgado turns up a ton of RW websites for which she writes. She sounds like the latest version of Ann Coulter or S.E. Cupp. There must be some kind of factory where they churn out these chicks.

Would it be crass of me to just call Delgado a Latina Coulter just like Malkin is an Asian Coulter and Cupp is sort of like hipster chick Coulter? I mean none of them have anything really unique to say. Just the same old right wing bullshit instead it comes out of a somewhat attractive young woman’s mouth rather than an old white man.

174 wheat-dogghazi  Sep 12, 2014 7:58:48am

re: #168 ObserverArt

Congratulations. You both have completely described and defined the entire conservative movement since the New Deal through Fall 2014.

Everybody can log off for now. Our work for this day is done.

///I’m not really kidding though. It really is that simpleton.

Were I inclined, I could probably expand this thesis into a 600-page tome for the RWNJ audience, and get on Hannity’s show to promote it.

175 HappyWarrior  Sep 12, 2014 8:00:00am

re: #174 wheat-dogghazi

Were I inclined, I could probably expand this thesis into a 600-page tome for the RWNJ audience, and get on Hannity’s show to promote it.

All you have to do although it would be tedious is right about how conservatives have always been right since the founding of our country and how liberals have been right, and yep you’ll not only get a book deal but meet Hannity and the whole right wing circus. All these books are the same crap.

176 wheat-dogghazi  Sep 12, 2014 8:02:47am

re: #173 HappyWarrior

Would it be crass of me to just call Delgado a Latina Coulter just like Malkin is an Asian Coulter and Cupp is sort of like hipster chick Coulter? I mean none of them have anything really unique to say. Just the same old right wing bullshit instead it comes out of a somewhat attractive young woman’s mouth rather than an old white man.

She is a cubana Coulter, judging from her bio. Yet another conservative product of Harvard Law school, too

177 wheat-dogghazi  Sep 12, 2014 8:03:59am

re: #175 HappyWarrior

All you have to do although it would be tedious is right about how conservatives have always been right since the founding of our country and how liberals have been right, and yep you’ll not only get a book deal but meet Hannity and the whole right wing circus. All these books are the same crap.

I would have to write under a pen name, and public appearances would be out, because the shame of doing such a thing would force me into seclusion.

178 ObserverArt  Sep 12, 2014 8:04:31am

re: #172 wheat-dogghazi

Googling A.J. Delgado turns up a ton of RW websites for which she writes. She sounds like the latest version of Ann Coulter or S.E. Cupp. There must be some kind of factory where they churn out these chicks.

I don’t know if it can be considered a factory…but making the New York Times best seller list seems to be a creative force in and of itself.

There’s gold in them thar pages!!!

Being a conservative writer pays. I still can’t believe all these idiots really buy their own crap. It’s the new patent medicine.

And with that…work beckons. Later Green Ones!

179 danarchy  Sep 12, 2014 8:06:10am

re: #103 Feline Fearless Leader

Yep. You can’t allow boys and doughnuts to mix since they then get impure thoughts.
//

To quote Pauly Shore(something I never thought I would do)

“Your doughnuts kinda fresh, I wanna glaze you”

180 Timothy Watson  Sep 12, 2014 8:06:21am

She claims to be a “dog welfare supporter”, I wonder what her views on Michael Vick are…

181 Lidane  Sep 12, 2014 8:06:31am

The writers at WND are clearly running out of ideas:

WND Columnist: Obama Is Just Like Attempted Assassin John Hinckley

182 HappyWarrior  Sep 12, 2014 8:07:23am

re: #176 wheat-dogghazi

She is a cubana Coulter, judging from her bio. Yet another conservative product of Harvard Law school, too

Harvard Law. Would that be the same Ivy League law school that Obama is somehow an elitist for going to but Cruz is not.

183 wheat-dogghazi  Sep 12, 2014 8:08:03am

re: #181 Lidane

The writers at WND are clearly running out of ideas:

WND Columnist: Obama Is Just Like Attempted Assassin John Hinckley

Obama is just like … an unglazed cake donut.
Obama is just like … a horse with no name.

184 HappyWarrior  Sep 12, 2014 8:08:29am

re: #178 ObserverArt

I don’t know if it can be considered a factory…but making the New York Times best seller list seems to be a creative force in and of itself.

There’s gold in them thar pages!!!

Being a conservative writer pays. I still can’t believe all these idiots really buy their own crap. It’s the new patent medicine.

And with that…work beckons. Later Green Ones!

I honestly still can’t believe this stuff sells yet it’s bigger than ever. Clinton’s name just being replaced with Obama’s. The issues, people, etc change but the underlining hatred that defines modern American conservatism does not.

185 lawhawk  Sep 12, 2014 8:08:32am
186 HappyWarrior  Sep 12, 2014 8:08:47am

Obama is just like Captain Crunch! He’s not a real naval captain!

187 wheat-dogghazi  Sep 12, 2014 8:09:54am

re: #184 HappyWarrior

I honestly still can’t believe this stuff sells yet it’s bigger than ever. Clinton’s name just being replaced with Obama’s. The issues, people, etc change but the underlining hatred that defines modern American conservatism does not.

Conservative boilerplate — it’s as formulaic as a dime-store novel.

188 b.d.  Sep 12, 2014 8:10:51am

re: #185 lawhawk

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I can’t wait for the wingnut crowd to step up and defend her attackers. A month ago I wouldn’t have believed it possible, now I am sure otherwise.

189 Bulworth  Sep 12, 2014 8:13:01am

re:
#181

I mean, imagine swearing to take a bullet or several bullets intended for Lyndon Johnson, Jimmy Carter, Bill Clinton or Barack Obama.

Hmm, wonder what those presidents have in common….

Oh, yes, they’re all Democrats. One was even a devout evangelical Southern Baptist Christian. No matter. All Democrats. So all deserving of WND’s scorn, if that is, an entity as devoid of dignity and professionalism as WND can be said to have scorn for anyone else, much like the drunk in the gutter criticizing another drunk.

190 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Sep 12, 2014 8:14:46am

re: #184 HappyWarrior

re: #187 wheat-dogghazi

It doesn’t sell. Conservative “think tanks” buy them in bulk to send them out to their patrons. I can’t tell how many RWNJ books I’ve seen in the dollar bin in book stores.

191 HappyWarrior  Sep 12, 2014 8:16:14am

re: #190 Rev_Arthur_Belling

It doesn’t sell. Conservative “think tanks” buy them in bulk to send them out to their patrons. I can’t tell how many RWNJ books I’ve seen in the dollar bin in book stores.

Yeah I’ve never met anyone who actually buys and reads that tripe.

192 Pie-onist Overlord  Sep 12, 2014 8:17:29am

re: #191 HappyWarrior

Yeah I’ve never met anyone who actually buys and reads that tripe.

I have (met somebody who reads that shit) :(

193 Charles Johnson  Sep 12, 2014 8:18:34am
194 Feline Fearless Leader  Sep 12, 2014 8:19:18am

re: #157 Targetpractice

It’s about affirming a world view, about keeping a consistent internal belief system. With Brown it was about assuring themselves that cops never kill without a “good reason,” that he had to have done something to deserve being shot that afternoon. That he was black just reinforced that need, gave them the convenient outlet of his being a “thug.”

With Rice, it about the belief that domestic violence is “overblown,” again believing there was a “good reason” that he cold-cocked his fiance. Or, at the very least, they want to believe that domestic abuse is something that can be tackled with “help,” with counseling, rather than holding the abuser accountable.

It’s the standard playbook that has worked for decades in maintaining the patriarchal hierarchy. Anything challenging it is proclaimed to be irritating God - be it women protesting being treated as property, minorities protesting about being treated as property (or 2nd class citizens), or any agitation by the lower classes in general about their treatment.

Especially if they are ignoring the “Look at that other group trying to steal your job/cookies/womenfolk!” rhetoric that is the main distraction from realizing that reality is a class war and not a race or religious war.

195 Bulworth  Sep 12, 2014 8:19:26am

re:
#193

Because TRUTH!

I’m sure Chuck C is too busy investigatin Janay Rice’s juvy records…

/

196 HappyWarrior  Sep 12, 2014 8:19:55am

re: #192 Pie-onist Overlord

I have (met somebody who reads that shit) :(

I just don’t know how anyone can. All those books are the same. Conservatives good and moral, liberals bad and immoral. Except it’s that over 300 pages or so. Just so it’s clear, I can’t read the liberal versions of them either. I did read Stupid White Men by Moore but in my defense I was fourteen years old.

197 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Sep 12, 2014 8:20:59am

re: #193 Charles Johnson

Yall Politics | @ChuckCJohnson says he may ignore Grand Jury subpoena to discuss @NoelFritsch #mssen

Someone pass the popcorn gif!

198 Feline Fearless Leader  Sep 12, 2014 8:21:09am

re: #174 wheat-dogghazi

Were I inclined, I could probably expand this thesis into a 600-page tome for the RWNJ audience, and get on Hannity’s show to promote it.

Going to title it: “The New Deal: The Cripple cripples America”?
/

199 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Sep 12, 2014 8:21:33am

re: #196 HappyWarrior

I just don’t know how anyone can. All those books are the same. Conservatives good and moral, liberals bad and immoral. Except it’s that over 300 pages or so. Just so it’s clear, I can’t read the liberal versions of them either. I did read Stupid White Men by Moore but in my defense I was fourteen years old.

Al Franken’s book about Rush Limbaugh is an exception. I found it hilarious.

200 HappyWarrior  Sep 12, 2014 8:22:13am

re: #199 Rev_Arthur_Belling

Al Franken’s book about Rush Limbaugh is an exception. I found it hilarious.

Heh I had that one. I got it for cheap because the title was catchy.And in fairness to Dranken, he’s different from Moore or Limbaugh since he is willing to praise people he disagrees with. I remember in one of his books, he denounces the Reagan winning the Cold War myth to point out that it was something that every president from Truman to H.W Bush played a role in.

201 Bubblehead II  Sep 12, 2014 8:24:52am

re: #193 Charles Johnson

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I hope he does. Seeing him being perp walked would make my day.

202 Lidane  Sep 12, 2014 8:25:05am

This kind of shit is why I can barely set foot in a church anymore:

Cardinal Francis George Says American Catholics Are Being Forced To Live Under Pro-Gay Sharia Law

In his most recent column for Catholic World News, Cardinal Francis George, Head of the Archdiocese of Chicago, wrote that Catholics in America are being forced to choose between their faith and the “State religion” which imposes “its own form of morality on everyone.”

This new religion, he said, compels people to support things like abortion and gay marriage and, as a result, Catholics who refuse worship this “false god” have now essentially become second class citizens just like “Christians and Jews [who] are fined for their religion in countries governed by Sharia law.”

203 lawhawk  Sep 12, 2014 8:25:32am

re: #193 Charles Johnson

Pass the popcorn

204 Bulworth  Sep 12, 2014 8:26:07am

re:
#202

Glad this guy doesn’t occupy any important position within the church. Oh wait…

205 HappyWarrior  Sep 12, 2014 8:28:32am

re: #202 Lidane

This kind of shit is why I can barely set foot in a church anymore:

Cardinal Francis George Says American Catholics Are Being Forced To Live Under Pro-Gay Sharia Law

Pro Gay Sharia Law. Gee Cardinal. Really what the fuck are you on asshole. Go focus on your own church’s problems before you have the nerve to complain about Obama having policies that treat gay people like human beings rather than deviant criminals like you’d like to.

206 Targetpractice  Sep 12, 2014 8:30:53am

re: #202 Lidane

This kind of shit is why I can barely set foot in a church anymore:

Cardinal Francis George Says American Catholics Are Being Forced To Live Under Pro-Gay Sharia Law

It’s usual brouhaha we’ve been hearing more and more recently: “Government is a religion!” Basically the idea of a secular government saying “Don’t discriminate” is itself discriminatory to bigots who claim their hatred is God’s will.

207 De Kolta Chair  Sep 12, 2014 8:31:20am

Paging Doctor Freud.

208 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Sep 12, 2014 8:32:06am

re: #206 Targetpractice

It’s usual brouhaha we’ve been hearing more and more recently since the enlightenment: “Government is a religion!” Basically the idea of a secular government saying “Don’t discriminate” is itself discriminatory to bigots who claim their hatred is God’s will.

FTFY

209 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 12, 2014 8:33:54am

heh…

210 HappyWarrior  Sep 12, 2014 8:34:43am

re: #207 De Kolta Chair

Paging Doctor Freud.

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Says the man who’s supporting a murderer.

211 Bubblehead II  Sep 12, 2014 8:34:43am

Might I add

re: #205 HappyWarrior

Pro Gay Sharia Law. Gee Cardinal. Really what the fuck are you on asshole. Go focus on your own church’s problems before you have the nerve to complain about Obama having policies that treat gay people like human beings rather than deviant criminals like you’d like to.

While at the same time shielding your own sexually deviant criminals from prosecution.

212 wrenchwench  Sep 12, 2014 8:34:53am

Thanks for the promo. I thought I made a booboo logging in when I saw this first.

213 lawhawk  Sep 12, 2014 8:36:35am

re: #207 De Kolta Chair

Paging Doctor Freud!

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It’s pretty frickin’ impossible to resurrect someone wrongly put to death by a justice system that has repeatedly been shown to get capital cases wrong. See Innocence Project. Heck, two men were just exonerated after being wrongly convicted of murder decades ago based on DNA evidence.

18 of the 317 people exonerated through DNA served time on death row. Another 16 were charged with capital crimes but not sentenced to death. The true suspects and/or perpetrators have been identified in 154 of the DNA exoneration cases.

214 Feline Fearless Leader  Sep 12, 2014 8:36:52am

re: #211 Bubblehead II

Might I add

While at the same time shielding your own sexually deviant criminals from prosecution.

Which they have been blaming on “the gay” for years instead of trying to deal with the issue or even admitting that they have an issue with their priesthood and accompanying over protection of their hierarchy.

215 Targetpractice  Sep 12, 2014 8:38:26am

re: #213 lawhawk

It’s pretty frickin’ impossible to resurrect someone wrongly put to death by a justice system that has repeatedly been shown to get capital cases wrong. See Innocence Project. Heck, two men were just exonerated after being wrongly convicted of murder decades ago based on DNA evidence.

Indeed, Sir Blackstone is spinning so fast in his grave that you could hook up a generator to him and power half the Eastern Seaboard.

216 De Kolta Chair  Sep 12, 2014 8:40:04am

First World Problem #3,647,842:

217 Targetpractice  Sep 12, 2014 8:41:14am

re: #216 De Kolta Chair

First World Problem #3,647,842:

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To be fair, in the season premiere, he did lay it on pretty thick at parts. Or maybe that’s just because I haven’t heard a good Scottish accent since Amy left last season.

218 Lidane  Sep 12, 2014 8:44:41am

I need moar caffeine before I start sending desks flying. Plus it’s Friday so fuck this guy. He’s not worth it:

Alan Keyes: Obama Only Fighting ISIS So He Can Become A Dictator

219 HappyWarrior  Sep 12, 2014 8:45:26am

re: #218 Lidane

I need moar caffeine before I start sending desks flying. Plus it’s Friday so fuck this guy. He’s not worth it:

Alan Keyes: Obama Only Fighting ISIS So He Can Become A Dictator

I need a bourbon. a whole bottle of it.

220 Targetpractice  Sep 12, 2014 8:46:30am

Quick everyone, look shocked…

221 wheat-dogghazi  Sep 12, 2014 8:46:59am

re: #217 Targetpractice

To be fair, in the season premiere, he did lay it on pretty thick at parts. Or maybe that’s just because I haven’t heard a good Scottish accent since Amy left last season.

One of the early complaints about Agents of SHIELD, believe it or not, was that Fitz-Simmons’ accents made it hard to understand them.

222 CuriousLurker  Sep 12, 2014 8:49:13am

Heh, my new PC is due to be delivered today and I was just looking at the FedEx tracking info. Looks like it originated in Ciudad Juarez, Mexico then traveled up through El Paso, Texas, then to Memphis, and finally to Jersey… ZOMG, someone get Louie Gohmert on the phone?!!11! Has this thing been checked for hidden illegal immigrant jihadis? Do you think it has jihadi cooties?

Wait, maybe it’s a trap. Maybe the DHS is in cahoots with the NSA, FBI (and probably the ZOG) and they know I’m Muslim so they diverted the shipment to Mexico, then sent it from there so… something… entrapment… conspiracy…

223 wheat-dogghazi  Sep 12, 2014 8:51:12am

re: #222 CuriousLurker

Heh, my new PC is due to be delivered today and I was just looking at the FedEx tracking info. Looks like it originated in Ciudad Juarez, Mexico then traveled up through El Paso, Texas, then to Memphis, and finally to Jersey… ZOMG, someone get Louie Gohmert on the phone?!!11! Has this thing been checked for hidden illegal immigrant jihadis? Do you think it has jihadi cooties?

Wait, maybe it’s a trap. Maybe the DHS is in cahoots with the NSA, FBI (and probably the ZOG) and they know I’m Muslim so they diverted the shipment to Mexico, then sent it from there so… something… entrapment… conspiracy…

If it boots into Spanish or Arabic, better start packin’ your bags. //

224 Lidane  Sep 12, 2014 8:51:17am

What right wing racism?

Top GA Election Official Warns Dems Are Registering ‘All These Minority Voters’ (AUDIO)

225 HappyWarrior  Sep 12, 2014 8:53:36am

re: #224 Lidane

What right wing racism?

Top GA Election Official Warns Dems Are Registering ‘All These Minority Voters’ (AUDIO)

Yeah asshole, they’re allowed to vote. Sorry you don’t live in the Jim Crow Georgia anymore where you get to suppress the to your heart’s content. Really, GOP, just admit it, your’e a white supremacist party in your current incarnation and you don’t want minorities voting because you know they’ll never support your racist party due to your own actions. I would love love to see a real “defense” of this crap.

226 Bulworth  Sep 12, 2014 8:55:46am

re:
#224

ACORN!!!1

227 wrenchwench  Sep 12, 2014 8:55:59am

re: #222 CuriousLurker

Choose your background image here, ‘cause it’s from there.

228 lostlakehiker  Sep 12, 2014 8:57:59am

re: #60 freetoken

I’d argue that the shooting down MH17 was one of the bigger terror acts of late. And, acts of terrorism have been conducted this year in parts of Africa by self professed “Christians”.

The idea that “terror” and “Muslim” are synonymous is a trope of the hate-right.

Yes, there are very violent and explicitly Islamic groups operating in the world for the purpose of causing terror to civilians, but then to ascribe “terrorism” as a Muslim act would be like trying to blame all crime in the country on blacks.

Oh… wait… the hate right does that too…

That’s not what the post said. The post said that Gerald Seib’s editorial was “casual bigotry” because of its claim that there was a “morass of war and terrorism emanating from the Islamic world”, and that this was factually wrong because it was overly broad. That basically only the Middle East was involved.

But that, in its own turn, is factually wrong. And that was my point and I stand by it. And while we’re at it, Boko Haram.

Now, what I did not say and would not dream of saying is that war emanates only from the Islamic world, or that all Islamic polities are aggressive or particularly prone to terrorism. Right now, ISIS is the showiest war-and-terror story, but what is happening in the Ukraine carries higher stakes because ISIS doesn’t have nukes but Putin does. In both cases, armies are fighting and heavy weapons are involved and there are thousands of dead, and the situation in Ukraine is not emanating from the Muslim world.

But that’s a side issue here. The fact remains that such war and terrorism as is emanating from within the Muslim world comes from a much wider geographic area than the Middle East. Seib would have had to forget about Beslan, Bali, Mumbai, and Boko Haram to have written “Middle East” instead. Seib had reason to cast a wider net. It wasn’t a matter of sloppiness and failure to check facts, and it wasn’t a deliberate decision to ignore facts and go ahead with a blanket condemnation. A moment’s reflection on the course of recent history would have confirmed this, and I feel that Charles has not been fair to Seib. You don’t call somebody a `casual bigot’, and dismiss the possibility that they have thought their words through, and have some sort of case for them, without mulling the charge over and checking in your own mind twice whether there are facts that support the wording chosen.

229 HappyWarrior  Sep 12, 2014 8:58:19am

Republicans should just admit it to everyone. They don’t want minority voters voting for the same reason they oppose precincts on college campuses. They don’t want people voting who they know won’t vote for them. They are not small letter d- democrats or small letter r- republicans but rather in favor of an oligarchy where only people like the Kochs have a say in what happens in our society.

230 Kid A  Sep 12, 2014 8:58:24am
231 CuriousLurker  Sep 12, 2014 8:59:07am

re: #223 wheat-dogghazi

re: #227 wrenchwench

Speak of the devil—FedEx showed up right as I was typing that—100% sure they’re watching me now… //

232 HappyWarrior  Sep 12, 2014 8:59:50am

re: #230 Kid A

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He should have said Obama was the anti-christ, that would have been much better.

233 wrenchwench  Sep 12, 2014 9:04:01am

re: #228 lostlakehiker

A moment’s reflection on the course of recent history would have confirmed this, and I feel that Charles has not been fair to Seib. You don’t call somebody a `casual bigot’, and dismiss the possibility that they have thought their words through, and have some sort of case for them, without mulling the charge over and checking in your own mind twice whether there are facts that support the wording chosen.

It wasn’t Charles. I wrote that. Only I didn’t “call somebody a `casual bigot’,” I said casual bigotry appeared on the front page of the WSJ. In fact, if you were to read my post again, you might see these words:

I do not care to research his past work to decide if he is a bigot

234 Bubblehead II  Sep 12, 2014 9:04:19am

re: #231 CuriousLurker

Speak of the devil—FedEx showed up right as I was typing that—100% sure they’re watching me now… //

Nuke the hard drive (from orbit, just to be sure) and reinstall from scratch :-)

235 CuriousLurker  Sep 12, 2014 9:05:28am

re: #222 CuriousLurker

Great, now Marty Robbins is stuck in my head: “Out in the West Texas town of El Paso I fell in love with a Mexican girl. Nighttime would find me in Rosa’s cantina, music would play and Felina would whirl…”

Youtube Video

Thanks, FedEx. Gah, someone make it stopppp!!

236 wrenchwench  Sep 12, 2014 9:07:25am

re: #228 lostlakehiker

At least this comment is an improvement over the passive-aggressive version that appeared earlier.

re: #58 lostlakehiker

Bali. Mumbai. Beslan.

237 Eventual Carrion  Sep 12, 2014 9:15:51am

re: #202 Lidane

This kind of shit is why I can barely set foot in a church anymore:

Cardinal Francis George Says American Catholics Are Being Forced To Live Under Pro-Gay Sharia Law

Fuck you Francis, pay some fucking taxes. And keep your fucking religion behind the doors of your church and out of my life.

238 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 12, 2014 9:15:54am
239 Eventual Carrion  Sep 12, 2014 9:16:38am

re: #205 HappyWarrior

Pro Gay Sharia Law. Gee Cardinal. Really what the fuck are you on asshole. Go focus on your own church’s problems before you have the nerve to complain about Obama having policies that treat gay people like human beings rather than deviant criminals like you’d like to.

Unless it is a priest, then they are sheltered.

240 Decatur Deb  Sep 12, 2014 9:16:41am

re: #202 Lidane

This kind of shit is why I can barely set foot in a church anymore:

Cardinal Francis George Says American Catholics Are Being Forced To Live Under Pro-Gay Sharia Law

“The tax on the martyrs is the seed of the Derp.”

241 Varek Raith  Sep 12, 2014 9:17:27am

re: #238 Backwoods_Sleuth

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242 HappyWarrior  Sep 12, 2014 9:18:48am

re: #238 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Now there’s two things I never would see in the same sentence.

243 Decatur Deb  Sep 12, 2014 9:19:03am

re: #222 CuriousLurker

Heh, my new PC is due to be delivered today and I was just looking at the FedEx tracking info. Looks like it originated in Ciudad Juarez, Mexico then traveled up through El Paso, Texas, then to Memphis, and finally to Jersey… ZOMG, someone get Louie Gohmert on the phone?!!11! Has this thing been checked for hidden illegal immigrant jihadis? Do you think it has jihadi cooties?

Wait, maybe it’s a trap. Maybe the DHS is in cahoots with the NSA, FBI (and probably the ZOG) and they know I’m Muslim so they diverted the shipment to Mexico, then sent it from there so… something… entrapment… conspiracy…

If it has an ‘extra’ hard drive, Paulie Walnuts will be by to pick that up. Shipping error.

244 Varek Raith  Sep 12, 2014 9:19:44am

re: #222 CuriousLurker

Heh, my new PC is due to be delivered today and I was just looking at the FedEx tracking info. Looks like it originated in Ciudad Juarez, Mexico then traveled up through El Paso, Texas, then to Memphis, and finally to Jersey… ZOMG, someone get Louie Gohmert on the phone?!!11! Has this thing been checked for hidden illegal immigrant jihadis? Do you think it has jihadi cooties?

Wait, maybe it’s a trap. Maybe the DHS is in cahoots with the NSA, FBI (and probably the ZOG) and they know I’m Muslim so they diverted the shipment to Mexico, then sent it from there so… something… entrapment… conspiracy…

Ebola terror babies!

245 Decatur Deb  Sep 12, 2014 9:21:13am

re: #238 Backwoods_Sleuth

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“If you think skydiving bombing is better than sex, you’re not doing either properly.”

246 Varek Raith  Sep 12, 2014 9:22:17am

re: #193 Charles Johnson

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That sounds like a really good idea!

247 CuriousLurker  Sep 12, 2014 9:24:20am

re: #243 Decatur Deb

If it has an ‘extra’ hard drive, Paulie Walnuts will be by to pick that up. Shipping error.

re: #244 Varek Raith

Ebola terror babies!

248 Eventual Carrion  Sep 12, 2014 9:24:56am

re: #238 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Just playing with his heat seeking missile.

249 HappyWarrior  Sep 12, 2014 9:27:35am

re: #244 Varek Raith

Ebola terror babies!

Band name or a Muppet Babies spin off.

250 Dr. Matt  Sep 12, 2014 9:31:11am

re: #244 Varek Raith

Ebola terror babies!

With calves the size of cantaloupes?

251 CuriousLurker  Sep 12, 2014 9:33:10am

re: #243 Decatur Deb

If it has an ‘extra’ hard drive, Paulie Walnuts will be by to pick that up. Shipping error.

Heh, we ordered it through a family owned company we work closely with. They’re all Italians originally from Brooklyn, so that fit perfectly. They’re really nice people, but you should hear them talk—classic Goodfellas.

252 Lidane  Sep 12, 2014 9:33:47am

Rebranding!

AZ GOP vice-chair calls for sterilizing poor women: If you want a baby, get a job

The recalled Arizona senate president who proposed the state’s controversial anti-immigration law said he could fix public assistance programs by forcibly sterilizing women who receive aid and by requiring drug tests for all recipients.

“You put me in charge of Medicaid, the first thing I’d do is get Norplant, birth-control implants, or tubal ligations,” said Russell Pearce on his weekly talk radio program. Then we’ll test recipients for drugs and alcohol, and if you want to [reproduce] or use drugs or alcohol, then get a job.”

He suggested drastic cuts to food assistance for needy families, reported Phoenix New Times, and he urged strict limits items that could be purchased what little help was available.

253 HappyWarrior  Sep 12, 2014 9:35:00am

re: #252 Lidane

Rebranding!

AZ GOP vice-chair calls for sterilizing poor women: If you want a baby, get a job

Of course. But they’re a party that has family values dontcha know.

254 Feline Fearless Leader  Sep 12, 2014 9:36:56am

re: #231 CuriousLurker

Speak of the devil—FedEx showed up right as I was typing that—100% sure they’re watching me now… //

New box has the NSA and FBI chips built right in. Simplifies things on their end of the equation.

You just need to confuse them by downloading multitudes of recipes involving bacon.

255 De Kolta Chair  Sep 12, 2014 9:37:56am

Marie Lorenz, Archipelago (Mast View), 2012

256 GlutenFreeJesus  Sep 12, 2014 9:38:41am

re: #252 Lidane

Rebranding!

AZ GOP vice-chair calls for sterilizing poor women: If you want a baby, get a job

They are for birth control… for poor minorities!

257 HappyWarrior  Sep 12, 2014 9:38:43am

re: #255 De Kolta Chair

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Marie Lorenz, Archipelago (Mast View), 2012

What city would that be.

258 Pie-onist Overlord  Sep 12, 2014 9:38:50am

re: #252 Lidane

Rebranding!

AZ GOP vice-chair calls for sterilizing poor women: If you want a baby, get a job

259 HappyWarrior  Sep 12, 2014 9:39:14am

And if you’re raped, tough luck lady, have the kid.

260 1Peter G1  Sep 12, 2014 9:40:27am

re: #233 wrenchwench

You probably shouldn’t use in your headline something you disclaim in your article. It’s just a touch weasely. I’m still keen to hear your thoughts on this Asian Pacific event: en.wikipedia.org

261 lawhawk  Sep 12, 2014 9:40:53am

re: #257 HappyWarrior

New York City. 1WTC is barely peeking out. And the structure on the Left is the ventilation building for the Battery Tunnel at Governor’s Island.

Looks like the photo was taken from the Buttermilk Channel between Brooklyn and Governor’s Island. Directly in the background is Whitehall Terminal for the SI Ferry and Governor’s Island ferry.

262 De Kolta Chair  Sep 12, 2014 9:41:33am

re: #257 HappyWarrior

What city would that be.

Manhattan, NYC, with Governor’s Island on the left.

263 Amory Blaine  Sep 12, 2014 9:41:49am

Ming the Merciless.

264 Mattand  Sep 12, 2014 9:42:25am

re: #222 CuriousLurker

Heh, my new PC is due to be delivered today and I was just looking at the FedEx tracking info. Looks like it originated in Ciudad Juarez, Mexico then traveled up through El Paso, Texas, then to Memphis, and finally to Jersey… ZOMG, someone get Louie Gohmert on the phone?!!11! Has this thing been checked for hidden illegal immigrant jihadis? Do you think it has jihadi cooties?

Wait, maybe it’s a trap. Maybe the DHS is in cahoots with the NSA, FBI (and probably the ZOG) and they know I’m Muslim so they diverted the shipment to Mexico, then sent it from there so… something… entrapment… conspiracy…

Anchor Windows!!!!

265 HappyWarrior  Sep 12, 2014 9:43:08am

re: #261 lawhawk

re: #262 De Kolta Chair

Well I’m a dumbass heh. It’s a nice shot.

266 Mattand  Sep 12, 2014 9:46:10am

re: #265 HappyWarrior

Well I’m a dumbass heh. It’s a nice shot.

Don’t be too hard on yourself. It’s not one of those classic Manhattan postcard shots. Quite frankly, I immediately thought “NYC”, then second-guessed myself because there weren’t any obvious (for me) landmarks.

267 HappyWarrior  Sep 12, 2014 9:48:38am

re: #266 Mattand

Don’t be too hard on yourself. It’s not one of those classic Manhattan postcard shots. Quite frankly, I immediately thought “NYC”, then second-guessed myself because there weren’t any obvious (for me) landmarks.

Yeah NYC seemed too obvious I guess and there’s so many cities that have big bodies of water going through them,.

268 Pie-onist Overlord  Sep 12, 2014 9:51:42am

re: #267 HappyWarrior

Yeah NYC seemed too obvious I guess and there’s so many cities that have big bodies of water going through them,.

NYC has other view besides the classic north-facing tip of Manhattan postcard view.

269 Feline Fearless Leader  Sep 12, 2014 9:53:31am

re: #228 lostlakehiker

The Muslim World is not monolithic. And here I don’t see many general statements made about the “Christian World” and how its tenets and actions support gun violence, child abuse, and political corruption.

270 Eventual Carrion  Sep 12, 2014 9:55:37am

re: #253 HappyWarrior

Of course. But they’re a party that has family values dontcha know.

And against birth control, unless forced on “undesirables”.

Added: That is one quiver they would rather see empty rather then full.

271 HappyWarrior  Sep 12, 2014 9:56:15am

re: #269 Feline Fearless Leader

The Muslim World is not monolithic. And here I don’t see many general statements made about the “Christian World” and how its tenets and actions support gun violence, child abuse, and political corruption.

This.

272 wrenchwench  Sep 12, 2014 9:58:25am

re: #260 1Peter G1

You probably shouldn’t use in your headline something you disclaim in your article. It’s just a touch weasely. I’m still keen to hear your thoughts on this Asian Pacific event: en.wikipedia.org

I probably shouldn’t bother replying to someone who can’t distinguish between saying some words show bigotry and calling the author of those words a bigot. I did the former, you accuse me of the latter.

273 Targetpractice  Sep 12, 2014 9:59:25am
274 Lidane  Sep 12, 2014 10:00:10am

re: #273 Targetpractice

Comedy writers everywhere mourn the loss.

275 wrenchwench  Sep 12, 2014 10:00:28am

re: #109 Petero1818

Not to defend this particular journalist as I have no knowledge of his past writing, but I do not believe the highlighted caption on its own to be an example of bigotry. Firstly Charles rightly points out that the Muslim world enucumpasses far more than the middle east, but, the “morass of war and terror of the Muslim world” encumpasses more than just the middle east as well, North Africa, Asia, Subcontinent. There is no question that the Muslim world, whether taken as the Ummah or in a geopolitical reference to countries with majority Islamic populations face a disproportionate amount of war and terrorism than are faced in the non-muslim world at this particular time in history.
I do not suggest a reason for this (there are many), and I have not read the article in question to know if this particular journalist does (though I suspect if he did it would have been included here) but from most objective criteria the Muslim world faces serious issues of instability either intenally or internationally. If one took Indonesia out of the equation (and lets not forget - Indonesia does face islamic terrorist cells still) the situation looks even worse.
Again, I have no idea whether this guy is a bigot or not. I do not however find the statement above to be offensive. North Africa, Iran, Afghanistan, Pakistan, all part of the Muslim World, all have a problem with the Morass of war and terror. Could he have been more specific and named the places one by one? I suppose, but to me that is not the issue.

Get back to me after you have.

276 Eventual Carrion  Sep 12, 2014 10:00:30am

re: #273 Targetpractice

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To spend more time with his wife pipe?

277 lawhawk  Sep 12, 2014 10:00:31am

So, Benjamin Crump posts a letter to the STL Post Dispatch about their fishing expedition into Brown’s record.

So the trolls come a trolling about how Crump’s the one trying to suppress the record.

Of course, CCJ has to retweet the nonsensical ravings of another person claiming that there was some kind of malfeasance in Brown’s juvenile record.

Trolls gotta troll. And none of them understand the justice system and how it works in the slightest bit.

278 lawhawk  Sep 12, 2014 10:01:56am

re: #276 Eventual Carrion

Apparently medical issues. Something about doctors finding an abdominal tumor.

But doctors say the results of that biopsy - which will give them an indication of the seriousness of the tumour - will not be ready for at least a week, meaning a full diagnosis will not come in time for Friday’s deadline to drop off the mayoral ballot.

“There’s a mass in his abdomen. We’ve taken a biopsy. There’s no theory,” Mount Sinai colorectal surgeon Zane Cohen said on Thursday.

“We’re trying to get the result, which we’ll get in about a week. And then we will be able to talk in facts, and not in supposition.”

Dr. Cohen said the mayor “has some pain” - for which he is receiving medication - but that he is otherwise “resting comfortably” and “surrounded by family members.”

279 Petero1818  Sep 12, 2014 10:02:17am

re: #269 Feline Fearless Leader

The Muslim World is not monolithic. And here I don’t see many general statements made about the “Christian World” and how its tenets and actions support gun violence, child abuse, and political corruption.

I don’t believe anyone including the WSJ journalist stated the Muslim world was monolithic. The statement “Morass of war and terror emanating from the Muslim World” was specifically in reference to the administrations involvement or attempt to disengage from involvement in the Muslim World in particular in refernence to war and terrorism within it. We have seen this President disengage from Afghanistan and Iraq, only to see him sucked back in to the “Arab Spring” and its aftershocks, Iran issues, and ISIL.
As for the “Christian World” it is a little more difficult to speak of it that way is most of it tends to be led secularly but the Western world is referred to constantly and I think it could be argued that the “Western World” could be used interchangeably with the “Christian World” and it is far less monolitic than the Muslim World is.

280 De Kolta Chair  Sep 12, 2014 10:02:37am

re: #265 HappyWarrior

Well I’m a dumbass heh. It’s a nice shot.

I probably should have mentioned that photo is in the exhibition “Crossing Brooklyn: Art from Bushwick, Bed-Stuy, and Beyond,” opening Oct. 3 at The Brooklyn Museum. ;-)

281 Feline Fearless Leader  Sep 12, 2014 10:04:53am

re: #278 lawhawk

Apparently medical issues. Something about doctors finding an abdominal tumor.

They’ve found Kuato. The resistance is in serious danger.
/

282 Petero1818  Sep 12, 2014 10:04:54am

re: #275 wrenchwench

Get back to me after you have.

Well if you want to send me the article I would be happy to read it, but I don’t have a paid subscription so I cant get past the wall. That said, I still don’t think that the excerpt shown above which was intended to stand alone is bigotted.

283 darthstar  Sep 12, 2014 10:05:18am
284 Mike Lamb  Sep 12, 2014 10:06:22am

Commenting on a couple of subjects upthread:

Re: the teenagers donut shop—I was of the belief that Footloose was fiction. Apparently I was mistaken.

Re: AJ Delgado/Fox—I mentioned this before in regards to Michael Brown and the need to knee jerk a justification for his shooting—will these people at some point have a moment of clarity wherein they say “Why is it that I feel a need to justify these sort of actions? Why is that my first response to something like this?” I truly don’t understand.

285 wrenchwench  Sep 12, 2014 10:08:06am

re: #282 Petero1818

Well if you want to send me the article I would be happy to read it, but I don’t have a paid subscription so I cant get past the wall. That said, I still don’t think that the excerpt shown above which was intended to stand alone is bigotted.

From the article at the top:

If you are not a subscriber, this link takes you to a google search result, and clicking on the link there will get you a ‘guest pass’.

Given your apparent reading skills, never mind about getting back to me.

286 Varek Raith  Sep 12, 2014 10:08:50am

When will the Christian World condemn and deal with the LRA?
/I can play this group blame crap too!

287 wrenchwench  Sep 12, 2014 10:09:24am

Youtube Video

288 Varek Raith  Sep 12, 2014 10:10:14am

Heh!
cnn.com

289 Stanley Sea  Sep 12, 2014 10:11:13am

re: #277 lawhawk

So, Benjamin Crump posts a letter to the STL Post Dispatch about their fishing expedition into Brown’s record.

[Embedded content]

So the trolls come a trolling about how Crump’s the one trying to suppress the record.

Of course, CCJ has to retweet the nonsensical ravings of another person claiming that there was some kind of malfeasance in Brown’s juvenile record.

Trolls gotta troll. And none of them understand the justice system and how it works in the slightest bit.

Great letter. Makes me so damn sad.

290 William Barnett-Lewis  Sep 12, 2014 10:14:25am

re: #284 Mike Lamb

When I was growing up in the upper Midwest, Footloose resonated with the kids because we all knew asshats like the villain of the movie who would, happily, kill for that much power over our lives. To this day it’s the one of the reasons I cut Kevin Bacon as much slack as I do. A lot of us wished for the courage of his character.

I was worse in a way since I was a punk rocker & a hard left peace activist protesting Ronnie Raygun’s rape of Central America but even so it was nice to see a Hollywood “rebel” that was actually fighting against something real.

291 lawhawk  Sep 12, 2014 10:15:14am

re: #289 Stanley Sea

What’s sad is that CCJ, Hoft, and others continue to make baseless claims about Brown’s background, ignore that it wasn’t Crump who ruled that the records are sealed - it’s the court that did so. The state didn’t want the records released because they’re irrelevant. But the state acknowledged that what they have don’t contain any serious felonies (which for those still paying attention includes murder). CCJ had been claiming that he knew that Brown was involved in a murder, and yet his claim doesn’t hold up to the slightest scrutiny.

Besides, as I pointed out to CCJ, if he’s such a crackjack journalist, identify the so-called victim.

292 Feline Fearless Leader  Sep 12, 2014 10:15:36am

re: #279 Petero1818

I don’t believe anyone including the WSJ journalist stated the Muslim world was monolithic. The statement “Morass of war and terror emanating from the Muslim World” was specifically in reference to the administrations involvement or attempt to disengage from involvement in the Muslim World in particular in refernence to war and terrorism within it. We have seen this President disengage from Afghanistan and Iraq, only to see him sucked back in to the “Arab Spring” and its aftershocks, Iran issues, and ISIL.
As for the “Christian World” it is a little more difficult to speak of it that way is most of it tends to be led secularly but the Western world is referred to constantly and I think it could be argued that the “Western World” could be used interchangeably with the “Christian World” and it is far less monolitic than the Muslim World is.

My opinion is that Muslim vs Christian is being used as a simple label to paper over a quite complex mix of cultural, political, nationalistic, and historical baggage.*

One reason the Christian World may perhaps seem less monolithic is that it has managed to maintain a number of essentially secular nations, often in spite of efforts from within to convert them back into religious-centric** states. I also think that if more time was spent researching the various cultures that are also Muslim-majority a lot more differences and distinctions would be found.

And digging further one would probably find the same mix of the power-hungry, assholes, extremists, and those trying to get by and raise their families peacefully that exist everywhere else in the world. It’s just that some areas have been lucky.

* - The Middle East has had more than its share of being colonized, exploited, re-exploited, and used as a pawn in nation-state power games to have a much larger supply of this baggage than other places. Comes from location, location, and having resources - often without a large population base behind it.

** - And State Religions are still official in a number of these countries. Or the religious requirements for power run pretty close beneath the surface despite there not being explicit requirements.

293 William Barnett-Lewis  Sep 12, 2014 10:15:54am

re: #282 Petero1818

If you can figure it out there’s this thing called google that will slip you past any paywall in the world…

294 lawhawk  Sep 12, 2014 10:16:52am
295 b.d.  Sep 12, 2014 10:18:26am

I haven’t checked the news but did ISIS crash those Ebola laden stolen jet liners into El Paso yet?

296 wrenchwench  Sep 12, 2014 10:21:36am

re: #295 b.d.

I haven’t checked the news but did ISIS crash those Ebola laden stolen jet liners into El Paso yet?

Hey now, don’t set off CL’s earworm again.

Youtube Video

297 Petero1818  Sep 12, 2014 10:22:24am

re: #285 wrenchwench

From the article at the top:

Given your apparent reading skills, never mind about getting back to me.

Well I am a little surprised that you would resort to such a ridiculous ad hominem attack for something so silly but so be it . I guess it shows that you can’t reference anything objective in the article to refute my point to begin with. Notwtithstanding your apparent desire to avoid the actual debate, I read the article (again shouldnt have been neccessary given the original post) and there is not a single line in it from my reading that changes my view of the statement above. But since it was you who suggested that I get back to you when I read it, and given that I now have, perhaps you could quote what other part of the article confirms your conclusion that the statement is bigotted, and which part of the article that is not quoted above gives more credence to that conclusion.

298 Amory Blaine  Sep 12, 2014 10:22:36am

He must’ve proposed to Ann Coulter over the break.

299 Lidane  Sep 12, 2014 10:26:04am

The stupid is strong with this one:

Bachmann: Obama Wants To Be ‘Theologian-In-Chief’

Also:

Tony Perkins: US Constitution Doesn’t Protect Muslims

300 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 12, 2014 10:27:07am
301 wrenchwench  Sep 12, 2014 10:27:23am

re: #297 Petero1818

Well I am a little surprised that you would resort to such a ridiculous as hominem attack for something so silly but so be it . I guess it shows that you can’t reference anything objective in the article to refute my point to begin with. Notwtithstanding your apparent desire to avoid the actual debate, I read the article (again shouldnt have been neccessary given the original post) and there is not a single line in it from my reading that changes my view of the statement above. But since it was you who suggested that I get back to you when I read it, and given that I now have, perhaps you could quote what other part of the article confirms your conclusion that the statement is bigotted, and which part of the article that is not quoted above gives more credence to that conclusion.

Your ‘debate style’ sucks.

I call the statement bigoted because Seib is clearly referring to a specific area in the world, and it is not the ‘area’ known as ‘the Muslim world’, it is the area of Iraq and Syria. I come to that conclusion by taking the context of his words into account. The ‘context’ is the complete article, so if you want to know ‘which part’, just go read it all again.

302 Petero1818  Sep 12, 2014 10:27:52am

re: #292 Feline Fearless Leader

I dispute none of that. But I don’t believe the author attempted to paint the Muslim World as monolithic in this instance. That is all. As I stated in an earlier post there are plenty of reasons why so many countries with majority or substantial Muslim populations are unstable. That is not the point. What cannot be argued is that it is not true. It is true. Some of it is sunni / Shia related. Some post colonial/ others merely regional and yet others that have ISIL like ambitions. It is complex, and I certianly do not argue that there is something “Islamic” that is at its core. No dispute.

303 FemNaziBitch  Sep 12, 2014 10:29:13am

Wall Street Journal is a Murdock publication now—right?

I don’t click on it very often as a result.

304 wrenchwench  Sep 12, 2014 10:29:14am

Bikes I can fix.

Stupid, not so much.

bbl

305 FemNaziBitch  Sep 12, 2014 10:30:07am

Supposed to wet here today.

It’s cool enough to have to wear a jean jacket.

you?

306 FemNaziBitch  Sep 12, 2014 10:30:26am

re: #304 wrenchwench

Bikes I can fix.

Stupid, not so much.

bbl

307 De Kolta Chair  Sep 12, 2014 10:31:43am

re: #296 wrenchwench

Speaking of one of my favorite singer-songwriters, this is from an interview with Diane Diekman about her 2012 biography of Marty Robbins, “Twentieth Century Drifter: The Life of Marty Robbins (University of Illinois Press):

He spent his life searching for security and approval. Those two needs, in my opinion, drove his every action. He grew up in poverty on the Arizona desert, wore donated clothing to school, and tried to avoid his abusive father. That memory was expressed by the line “despised and disliked by my father” in the song, “You Gave Me a Mountain.” Marty’s flamboyant stage personality covered up his deep shyness. When asked in 1981 if he had everything he’d always wanted, the country music superstar replied, “No, no. I want security. I don’t have it yet.”

308 FemNaziBitch  Sep 12, 2014 10:32:51am

re: #292 Feline Fearless Leader

My opinion is that Muslim vs Christian is being used as a simple label to paper over a quite complex mix of cultural, political, nationalistic, and historical baggage.*

One reason the Christian World may perhaps seem less monolithic is that it has managed to maintain a number of essentially secular nations, often in spite of efforts from within to convert them back into religious-centric** states. I also think that if more time was spent researching the various cultures that are also Muslim-majority a lot more differences and distinctions would be found.

And digging further one would probably find the same mix of the power-hungry, assholes, extremists, and those trying to get by and raise their families peacefully that exist everywhere else in the world. It’s just that some areas have been lucky.

* - The Middle East has had more than its share of being colonized, exploited, re-exploited, and used as a pawn in nation-state power games to have a much larger supply of this baggage than other places. Comes from location, location, and having resources - often without a large population base behind it.

** - And State Religions are still official in a number of these countries. Or the religious requirements for power run pretty close beneath the surface despite there not being explicit requirements.

WE and England, mostly, fucked-up a lot at the Treaty of Versailles.

Now, we are paying for it.

309 Petero1818  Sep 12, 2014 10:34:02am

re: #301 wrenchwench

Your ‘debate style’ sucks.

I call the statement bigoted because Seib is clearly referring to a specific area in the world, and it is not the ‘area’ known as ‘the Muslim world’, it is the area of Iraq and Syria. I come to that conclusion by taking the context of his words into account. The ‘context’ is the complete article, so if you want to know ‘which part’, just go read it all again.

In that it is persuasive, I can see why you might not like it. The context and the quote are clear. The author speaks broadly about Obama wanting his second term to be less impacted by war and terror in the Muslim world so he could focus on a domestic agenda. Which wars and terror did he face in the first term? Afghanistan, which he left, and Iraq which he left. I read it again. No different conclusion. I believe that in saying the Muslim World he is including other conflicts and hot spots which Obama has tried to disengage with that are not in the middle east. Simple.

310 FemNaziBitch  Sep 12, 2014 10:34:35am

It’s still in my head and like classical music, it makes me feel better.
Vimeo

311 wrenchwench  Sep 12, 2014 10:35:36am

re: #309 Petero1818

In that it is persuasive, I can see why you might not like it. The context and the quote are clear. The author speaks broadly about Obama wanting his second term to be less impacted by war and terror in the Muslim world so he could focus on a domestic agenda. Which wars and terror did he face in the first term? Afghanistan, which he left, and Iraq which he left. I read it again. No different conclusion. I believe that in saying the Muslim World he is including other conflicts and hot spots which Obama has tried to disengage with that are not in the middle east. Simple.

Name them.

312 FemNaziBitch  Sep 12, 2014 10:36:19am

re: #284 Mike Lamb

Commenting on a couple of subjects upthread:

Re: the teenagers donut shop--I was of the belief that Footloose was fiction. Apparently I was mistaken.

Re: AJ Delgado/Fox—I mentioned this before in regards to Michael Brown and the need to knee jerk a justification for his shooting—will these people at some point have a moment of clarity wherein they say “Why is it that I feel a need to justify these sort of actions? Why is that my first response to something like this?” I truly don’t understand.

I don’t think teenagers really dance like that —IRL …

:0

313 wrenchwench  Sep 12, 2014 10:36:43am

‘Scuse me while I bleed some brake lines.

314 Targetpractice  Sep 12, 2014 10:37:38am

re: #313 wrenchwench

‘Scuse me while I bleed some brake lines.

Is that what they’re calling it now?

//

315 William Barnett-Lewis  Sep 12, 2014 10:38:51am

re: #297 Petero1818

Dude? Two things.

1) Grow a pair.

2) Learn how to debate.

kthnxbai

316 FemNaziBitch  Sep 12, 2014 10:39:57am

The Carter Center monitors and works to resolve conflict around the world. Their current areas of interest are here.

317 Petero1818  Sep 12, 2014 10:39:59am

re: #311 wrenchwench

Name them.

Afghanistan/Pakistan
Sudan/Somalia

318 Stanley Sea  Sep 12, 2014 10:40:38am

wftv.com

Police said that on Tuesday, the man called police after a truck pulled up next to him and the driver yelled, “Why are you pointing a finger at me?”

Police spokeswoman Bianca Gillett said the man recognized the truck driver as Zimmerman. The man said Zimmerman asked, “Do you know who I am?” and threatened to kill him.

Two days later, the man said he saw Zimmerman in his truck outside his work. He called police but declined to press charges. His name hasn’t been released.

319 Charles Johnson  Sep 12, 2014 10:41:07am

Interesting convergence of Peters in this thread.

320 Petero1818  Sep 12, 2014 10:41:12am

re: #315 William Barnett-Lewis

Dude? Two things.

1) Grow a pair.

2) Learn how to debate.

kthnxbai

Dude. Fuck off.

321 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 12, 2014 10:42:37am

re: #319 Charles Johnson

Interesting convergence of Peters in this thread.

Thus my #300

322 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 12, 2014 10:43:46am

re: #320 Petero1818

323 jaunte  Sep 12, 2014 10:45:27am

324 FemNaziBitch  Sep 12, 2014 10:46:01am

Look at this tiger

There are a lot of tigers out there. The cat is used quite often in advertising, and art.

I tend to notice these things.

There are a lot of pretty boring tigers out there.

This one is excellent. Carter Center -Tiger on a Rock

325 klys  Sep 12, 2014 10:46:36am

I’ve read some of these so-called “persuasive” arguments and am unpersuaded of anything, except that some people are quite happy to accept casual bigotry and make excuses for it.

I get the feeling that folks making these arguments would be perfectly happy with racial profiling for much the same reasons - “it’s not being done because it’s racist, it’s being done because blacks commit most of the crimes and there’s lots of complex reasons behind that.”

What the article does, through its description, is leave a clear association between “terror” and “the Muslim world” as though that is the clearest predictor of whether terror is an issue there. It’s reinforcing the unconscious beliefs that far too many people have, that all Muslims are terrorists. Do you believe that the author would have referred to a conflict involving the IRA as part of the “Christian world”? Why is the double standard ok then? (Here’s a hint: it’s not.)

326 gwangung  Sep 12, 2014 10:49:08am

re: #320 Petero1818

Dude. Fuck off.

Rich, coming from someone who is too damn lazy to figure out how to read the source article and feels qualified to speak anyway.

Dude. Fuck off.

327 RealityBasedSteve  Sep 12, 2014 10:49:59am

re: #264 Mattand

Anchor Windows!!!!

and they are going to start spawning child processes!!!

RBS
Who thinks the board is having as much fun with CL’s new ‘puter as she is.

328 De Kolta Chair  Sep 12, 2014 10:51:43am

I’m a bee — deal with it!

329 klys  Sep 12, 2014 10:52:46am

Both the grilled tapenade and cheese sandwiches and the maple mustard pork with roasted potatoes were a big hit with the in-laws, and thus my cooking commitments are cleared through the end of the visit. Nom nom nom. Tonight is tasty Austrian after I do my traditional breakfast out with them this morning (although really it is breakfast-for-lunch by the time we get there).

330 FemNaziBitch  Sep 12, 2014 10:57:08am

331 Feline Fearless Leader  Sep 12, 2014 10:57:49am

I have to report an outright cooking failure the other day. I received a bag of Roma tomatoes from a friend in Pittsburgh when I passed through there. I decided to make some tomato sauce from them and dug out an Alton Brown recipe from the Internet.

It involved the tomatoes being sliced, de-seeded, and then being put in 13x9 pans in a 325 degree oven for a couple of hours after being sprinkled with olive oil, herbs, pepper, and salt. From there you put the tomatoes through a food mill to remove the skins, and then sauteed the sauce with some white wine as the final prep.

I didn’t get that far. I did not watch the tomatoes closely enough in the second hour and ended up with a blackened mess. Little was salvageable, and an attempt to see if it could be converted into a tomato-y toast spread made perfectly clear that the prevailing flavor in the mix was — “BURNT”.

I has a sad. :(

332 FemNaziBitch  Sep 12, 2014 10:58:15am

re: #325 klys

I’ve read some of these so-called “persuasive” arguments and am unpersuaded of anything, except that some people are quite happy to accept casual bigotry and make excuses for it.

I get the feeling that folks making these arguments would be perfectly happy with racial profiling for much the same reasons - “it’s not being done because it’s racist, it’s being done because blacks commit most of the crimes and there’s lots of complex reasons behind that.”

What the article does, through its description, is leave a clear association between “terror” and “the Muslim world” as though that is the clearest predictor of whether terror is an issue there. It’s reinforcing the unconscious beliefs that far too many people have, that all Muslims are terrorists. Do you believe that the author would have referred to a conflict involving the IRA as part of the “Christian world”? Why is the double standard ok then? (Here’s a hint: it’s not.)

Everyone also seems to forget that the IRA was a terrorist organization long before we ever heard of Bin Laden.

333 Feline Fearless Leader  Sep 12, 2014 10:59:34am

re: #332 FemNaziBitch

Everyone also seems to forget that the IRA was a terrorist organization long before we ever heard of Bin Laden.

But that’s the Irish, and we all know what a mess they make of everything!
///// (massive)

334 wrenchwench  Sep 12, 2014 11:00:00am

re: #317 Petero1818

Afghanistan/Pakistan
Sudan/Somalia

And are you saying, in your previous comments, that these constitute ‘the Muslim world’?

335 wrenchwench  Sep 12, 2014 11:00:48am

re: #319 Charles Johnson

Interesting convergence of Peters in this thread.

I had differing opinions of them before this. Now they converge.

336 Feline Fearless Leader  Sep 12, 2014 11:05:08am

re: #334 wrenchwench

And are you saying, in your previous comments, that these constitute ‘the Muslim world’?

I think those are the Muslim, but non-Middle East, spots that we have been militarily involved with in the near past. Made in answer to Comment #311.

And both places are more complex than religious issues. Especially since both areas essentially include what are in essence failed nation-states in addition to colonial and environmental issues that make their nationalist issues even more complex.

A secondary consideration in these discussions is also whether the religious claims are actually primary, or just happen to be congruent with underlying political or economic power issues and thus help make a convenient excuse.

337 GeneJockey  Sep 12, 2014 11:09:53am

re: #332 FemNaziBitch

Everyone also seems to forget that the IRA was a terrorist organization long before we ever heard of Bin Laden.

I’d say that more than a few Americans had mixed, and sometimes completely unmixed, feelings about IRA terrorism. It was distant, and it was carried out by ‘our kind of people’, even if it was carried out ON ‘our kind of people’.

338 sagehen  Sep 12, 2014 11:13:30am

re: #332 FemNaziBitch

Everyone also seems to forget that the IRA was a terrorist organization long before we ever heard of Bin Laden.

FALN, Puerto Rican separatists. The bombings, the hijackings, that time they shot up Congress (a couple of aides were injured, the Congressmen were much quicker about diving under their desks). They tried to kill President Truman, one of his bodyguards died protecting him.

And who were those German and Italian terrorists, Red something? They did a lot of damage. The Basque separatists (ETA? ETN? I’m sure there was an E in the acronym).

None of the above claimed religion as any part of their motivation, but most of them are Catholic.

The Klan (which white Americans might not think of as “terrorists” but black Americans absolutely consider them such) explicitly *did* make Christianity a big part of their ideology — bombing black churches, in Jesus’ name.

339 Feline Fearless Leader  Sep 12, 2014 11:14:57am

re: #337 GeneJockey

I’d say that more than a few Americans had mixed, and sometimes completely unmixed, feelings about IRA terrorism. It was distant, and it was carried out by ‘our kind of people’, even if it was carried out ON ‘our kind of people’.

And if you were interacting in the right circles you’d hear about how the English (or whoever was getting bombed) *deserved* it. Taught me that ad hoc justification for violence seems to be built into the human psyche.

340 wrenchwench  Sep 12, 2014 11:22:43am

re: #336 Feline Fearless Leader

I think those are the Muslim, but non-Middle East, spots that we have been militarily involved with in the near past. Made in answer to Comment #311.

Yes, it answers #311, but I still don’t think it justifies what Seib said about the ‘Muslim world’ being a point of emanation of war and terror. That’s what Petero1818 was defending. He named other places in addition when he made that attempt:

I do not however find the statement above to be offensive. North Africa, Iran, Afghanistan, Pakistan, all part of the Muslim World, all have a problem with the Morass of war and terror.

That’s from his #109.

And both places are more complex than religious issues. Especially since both areas essentially include what are in essence failed nation-states in addition to colonial and environmental issues that make their nationalist issues even more complex.

A secondary consideration in these discussions is also whether the religious claims are actually primary, or just happen to be congruent with underlying political or economic power issues and thus help make a convenient excuse.

These are exactly the kind of considerations missing in the comments of Petero1818, and especially from Seib’s piece.

341 FemNaziBitch  Sep 12, 2014 11:27:32am

sign if you wish.

342 FemNaziBitch  Sep 12, 2014 11:43:14am
“I was always taught by my mother that the first thought that goes through your mind is what you have been conditioned to think. What you think next defines who you are.” ‪#‎truth‬
343 wrenchwench  Sep 12, 2014 3:18:24pm

re: #212 wrenchwench

Thanks for the promo.

Withdrawn.

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344 CuriousLurker  Sep 12, 2014 7:41:23pm

re: #343 wrenchwench

Withdrawn.

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Heh, when I first saw the Page I figured it’d probably be a grief magnet, then when I saw it had been promoted I was sure. Just catching up now in between rounds of reinstalling & reconfiguring software, downloading updates…

345 1Peter G1  Sep 13, 2014 5:37:40am

re: #233 wrenchwench

Indeed you did write that. And you also wrote that you couldn’t be bothered to check the writings of the author or the WSJ piece for any pattern that would indicate bigotry. So it is just what he wrote that is bigoted not the author? I would be hesitant if I were you of making casual accusations of passive aggressive behavior at people who point out yours. The fact is what you wrote is nonsense. Everywhere in the world where there are Muslims some are disaffected. And prone to radicalization and local acts of terror.Everywhere. Does pointing this out constitute bigotry? No. Even George Bush and certainly the president has pointedly made clear that that we have no beef with Muslims but we do have a problem with jihadis who are found in Africa and England and Spain and Canada and Africa and Indonesia and everywhere. Your capacity to ignore events outside of the Middle East is truly impressive.

346 wrenchwench  Sep 13, 2014 8:58:20am

re: #344 CuriousLurker

Heh, when I first saw the Page I figured it’d probably be a grief magnet, then when I saw it had been promoted I was sure. Just catching up now in between rounds of reinstalling & reconfiguring software, downloading updates…

‘Grief magnet’, what a great term.

re: #345 1Peter G1

Oh, good morning! It’s one of the Peters! How are you today?

347 klys  Sep 13, 2014 10:42:43am

re: #345 1Peter G1

Indeed you did write that. And you also wrote that you couldn’t be bothered to check the writings of the author or the WSJ piece for any pattern that would indicate bigotry. So it is just what he wrote that is bigoted not the author? I would be hesitant if I were you of making casual accusations of passive aggressive behavior at people who point out yours. The fact is what you wrote is nonsense. Everywhere in the world where there are Muslims people some are disaffected. And prone to radicalization and local acts of terror.Everywhere. Does pointing this out constitute bigotry? No. Even George Bush and certainly the president has pointedly made clear that that we have no beef with Muslims but we do have a problem with jihadis who are found in Africa and England and Spain and Canada and Africa and Indonesia and everywhere. Your capacity to ignore events outside of the Middle East is truly impressive.

Your lack of reading comprehension is really, truly impressive.

Also, I fixed your statement there, to make it more accurate and less bigoted. Cheers.


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