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1 HappyWarrior  Sep 12, 2014 8:46:51pm

Nice. I’ve heard his work before. He’s very talented. Have you heard First Aid Kit? They’re also Swedes. Very talented sisters who like Kristian have that old American folk sound to them.

2 b.d.  Sep 12, 2014 9:01:44pm
3 b.d.  Sep 12, 2014 9:20:43pm

THEY ARE PROBABLY SPRAYING THE CHEMTRAILS WITH THE STOLEN BENGHAZI JET LINERS

4 dholmes32  Sep 12, 2014 9:35:10pm

re: #2 b.d.

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Wow, At first I thought it was a really, really bad forest fire. Thanks for sharing.

5 b.d.  Sep 12, 2014 9:43:01pm

re: #4 dholmes32

Wow, At first I thought it was a really, really bad forest fire. Thanks for sharing.

It is pretty amazing what is going on in Iceland right now, it’s not a common event and I’m glad I’m paying attention.

6 Belafon  Sep 12, 2014 9:48:15pm

re: #2 b.d.

All of the pictures there are really awesome.

7 teleskiguy  Sep 12, 2014 9:50:46pm

OK. I can’t be the only one here that has been asking myself “Who the fuck is Chuck Woolery?”

8 Belafon  Sep 12, 2014 9:57:03pm

re: #7 teleskiguy

I’m old enough, 44, to know who Chuck Woolery is.

9 teleskiguy  Sep 12, 2014 10:01:04pm

re: #8 Belafon

I’m old enough, 44, to know who Chuck Woolery is.

A game show host! He relinquished Wheel of Fortune a year before I was born.

I know there’s not a lot of love for Bill Maher around these parts (completely understandable) but he did tweet this!

10 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Sep 12, 2014 10:08:22pm

re: #2 b.d.

For the record that actual volcano hasn’t blown yet but looks like it will soon. There have been some great diaries on dkos by someone in the area. Right now the biggest problem is the levels of sulfur dioxide being emitted.

more here

11 WhatEVs  Sep 12, 2014 10:09:02pm

re: #8 Belafon

I’m old enough, 44, to know who Chuck Woolery is.

Me too. He was always on crappy game shows. He’s no Monty Hall (blast from the past, I know.)

12 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Sep 12, 2014 10:11:43pm

re: #11 WhatEVs

Me too. He was always on crappy game shows. He’s no Monty Hall (blast from the past, I know.)

I did enjoy his stint on Lingo on the Game Show Network. That was a good show in its time but even that has been considerably dumbed down since.

13 austin_blue  Sep 12, 2014 10:13:03pm

re: #7 teleskiguy

OK. I can’t be the only one here that has been asking myself “Who the fuck is Chuck Woolery?”

He’s one of the shapes in celebrity mini-waffles. J P Morgan, Yaphet Kotto, and Chuck Woolery. Duh!

14 b.d.  Sep 12, 2014 10:20:15pm

re: #10 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

For the record that actual volcano hasn’t blown yet but looks like it will soon. There have been some great diaries on dkos by someone in the area. Right now the biggest problem is the levels of sulfur dioxide being emitted.

more here

If that’s not an eruption then I don’t need to increase my volcanically education, I’ll just continue to call that an eruption. Those kos diaries have been great. I hope they save Björk

15 ninja cat  Sep 12, 2014 10:22:37pm

re: #7 teleskiguy

I was reading his twitter. Whatever he was then, he’s absolutely stark raving mad now.

But he’s filling a niche. After all who doesn’t look up to a washed up 70 year old ex game show host for his sterling political views. //

16 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Sep 12, 2014 10:24:49pm

re: #14 b.d.

It’s an eruption just not Bardabunga yet. It’s basically creating a whole new volcano system and about to link the Bardabunga system to the Askja system.

Right now the Bardabunga volcano itself is starting to lose the plug on its caldera which could mean a massive eruption is on the way. It could be terribad on a global scale.

17 austin_blue  Sep 12, 2014 10:34:43pm

re: #16 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

It’s an eruption just not Bardabunga yet. It’s basically creating a whole new volcano system and about to link the Bardabunga system to the Askja system.

Right now the Bardabunga volcano itself is starting to lose the plug on its caldera which could mean a massive eruption is on the way. It could be terribad on a global scale.

Icelandic volcanoes are mid-Atlantic rift eruptions. Lots of ash sometimes, but not a Pinatubo or Thera. Certainly not a Yellowstone super eruption.

Disruptive, but not climate changing.

18 WhatEVs  Sep 12, 2014 10:36:49pm

re: #12 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi

I did enjoy his stint on Lingo on the Game Show Network. That was a good show in its time but even that has been considerably dumbed down since.

I watched the game show network the other day and saw nothing but crap. One was reading license plates which netted a whopping $5j to the winners (so $2500 per person)…it was as bad as watching paint dry.

I never liked Lingo much either. I like Jeopardy, Cash Cab and the like.

19 WhatEVs  Sep 12, 2014 10:39:18pm

re: #17 austin_blue

Icelandic volcanoes are mid-Atlantic rift eruptions. Lots of ash sometimes, but not a Pinatubo or Thera. Certainly not a Yellowstone super eruption.

Disruptive, but not climate changing.

That’s against everything I’ve read. I read it’s three volcanoes that are basically merging…the area between them collapsing, and all are active which *could* make a hella big boom.

20 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Sep 12, 2014 10:40:19pm

re: #17 austin_blue

Read about the askja eruption in the late 1700’s it affected the climate for a few years.

21 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Sep 12, 2014 10:43:27pm

re: #19 WhatEVs

Yeah basically a huge rift has opened starting at bardabunga and moving to askja. The pressure on that rift caused the current eruption and pressure is still building. Meanwhile they are having 5.0+ earthquakes all around bardabunga and the plug in the caldera is sinking not because of depressurization but seemingly because of over-pressurization.

22 teleskiguy  Sep 12, 2014 10:43:44pm

As a skier I welcome the coming volcanic climate change!

23 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Sep 12, 2014 10:48:08pm

re: #22 teleskiguy

When askja went off it extended winter here in the U.S. causing the chesapeake bay to freeze and not thaw for quite a while delaying the signing of the treaty of paris.

more here

24 goddamnedfrank  Sep 12, 2014 10:48:24pm

re: #3 b.d.

THEY ARE PROBABLY SPRAYING THE CHEMTRAILS WITH THE STOLEN BENGHAZI JET LINERS

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Fuel dumping. The plane was probably making an emergency landing.

25 WhatEVs  Sep 12, 2014 10:50:04pm

re: #24 goddamnedfrank

Fuel dumping. The plane was probably making an emergency landing.

Well, there ya go being all locically and stuff. /

26 WhatEVs  Sep 12, 2014 10:55:44pm
27 austin_blue  Sep 12, 2014 11:06:15pm

re: #19 WhatEVs

That’s against everything I’ve read. I read it’s three volcanoes that are basically merging…the area between them collapsing, and all are active which *could* make a hella big boom.

Yes, but Atlantic rift lava boom. There are two types of lava, rift and continental. Three types of genesis, sea-floor spreading, sea floor subduction, and mantle jets. Iceland is a seafloor spreading milieu. Nice, gooey, upper mantle basalts upwelling as continental drift tensions push Europe and North America away from each other along the mid-Atlantic rift. Almost constant activity (geologically speaking) but low volatility.

Now, a mantle jet, which is basically a blowtorch that explosively punches through the earth’s crust is a completely different animal. Within the last several million years, the Yellowstone jet has blown up to 250 cubic kilometers of rock into the atmosphere.

She Who Must Be Obeyed and I got stuck in Edinburgh when the Bjorniyusfyorinson eruption (or whatever it was called) popped off. On the second day, we saw a very thin layer of ash on cars. It was nothing.

A big Yellowstone eruption would put several meters of ash on Denver and kill agricultural production throughout the Midwest for years, not to mention dropping temperatures in the northern hemisphere by 15 degrees.

28 goddamnedfrank  Sep 12, 2014 11:18:23pm

I can’t be kind about this.

29 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Sep 12, 2014 11:30:14pm

re: #18 WhatEVs

I watched the game show network the other day and saw nothing but crap. One was reading license plates which netted a whopping $5j to the winners (so $2500 per person)…it was as bad as watching paint dry.

I never liked Lingo much either. I like Jeopardy, Cash Cab and the like.

Lingo is just a TV version of a game (“Giotto”) that I used to play with my father and later with my wife. I enjoyed playing along (and usually, but not always, outguessing the contestants).

For what it’s worth, I used to watch Jeopardy almost every day, but I never thought much of Cash Cab. (That may be a generational thing.)

30 WhatEVs  Sep 12, 2014 11:38:01pm

re: #29 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi

I’m 55 and addicted to Cash Cab. If I change channels on Sunday, we can usually watch like 10 episodes (between the NYC and Canadian versions). Nothing like a do nothing Sunday. :-)

31 teleskiguy  Sep 12, 2014 11:38:48pm

I sense the good professor has quite the disconnect with his maleness and other fucking human beings not him, namely females.

Richard Dawkins is a brilliant biologist. He fucking sucks at social media, and at present he still doesn’t realize it. One day (or not), he’ll realize what an ass he’s made of himself on Twitter.

32 austin_blue  Sep 12, 2014 11:43:06pm

re: #31 teleskiguy

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I sense the good professor has quite the disconnect with his maleness and other fucking human beings not him, namely females.

Richard Dawkins is a brilliant biologist. He fucking sucks at social media, and at present he still doesn’t realize it. One day (or not), he’ll realize what an ass he’s made of himself on Twitter.

Brilliant scientist. Social media spirochete. Pity.

33 teleskiguy  Sep 12, 2014 11:49:30pm

I’m kind of regretting sending this here tweet out. Oh well, it stands. The internet never forgets.

34 WhatEVs  Sep 12, 2014 11:49:31pm

I hate Paris Hilton but this is the cutest little dog (follow the link)!!

35 WhatEVs  Sep 12, 2014 11:50:56pm

re: #33 teleskiguy

I’m kind of regretting sending this here tweet out. Oh well, it stands. The internet never forgets.

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Don’t regret.

36 The War TARDIS  Sep 12, 2014 11:53:15pm

re: #19 WhatEVs

Laki’s SO2 output caused the deaths of 6 million. Tens of thousands of them were through suffocation and those with weaker respiratory systems, but the rest were famine.

1 million in France and Japan each. The price of food went up, causing a knock one effect that helped precipitate the French Revolution.

37 teleskiguy  Sep 12, 2014 11:53:27pm

re: #35 WhatEVs

Don’t regret.

It’s not worth my precious time to even tweet white supremacist fuck-stains like Robert Stacy McCain. But if he says that the song Crazy by Patsy Cline is a Patsy Cline song, I’ll call him out!

:-D

38 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Sep 12, 2014 11:59:52pm

re: #30 WhatEVs

I’m 55 and addicted to Cash Cab. If I change channels on Sunday, we can usually watch like 10 episodes (between the NYC and Canadian versions). Nothing like a do nothing Sunday. :-)

I’m 56. That extra year makes a difference.

That, or it’s not a generational thing at all.

39 The War TARDIS  Sep 13, 2014 12:18:26am

re: #36 The War TARDIS

I should also slightly correct things.

The largest proportion of deaths in Iceland where from a very unusually high output of Hydrogen Flouride gas

This killed, along with the famine, 20-25% of the population of Iceland, along with 80% of the sheep, and 50% of both the Cattle and Horses.

40 Kragar  Sep 13, 2014 12:28:52am

I decided to take the wife and kids out for Breakfast for Dinner at IHOP as a change of pace and to have some fun. My wife thought I was crazy because she didn’t know anyone who would do that.

About 5 minutes after we sit down, our neighbors walk in and wave at us.

41 ausador  Sep 13, 2014 12:39:24am

Retweeted by CCJ, who claims not to be political at all, guess he just likes liers and cheats because it makes him feel like he can understand them?

42 goddamnedfrank  Sep 13, 2014 1:19:24am

Maybe it just wasn’t funny.

Cumia is such a fucking taint golem.

43 freetoken  Sep 13, 2014 1:24:33am

re: #40 Kragar

IHOP - it’s one of the dirty little secrets families keep in the closest.

44 freetoken  Sep 13, 2014 1:48:29am

You may not have known this is happening - certainly American media haven’t figured out a way to make money off of it yet:

Anger mounts in Indian Kashmir after worst flood in over century

Residents of revolt-torn Indian Kashmir turned their wrath on state administrators for failing to provide them with succour after the worst flooding in over a century, angrily dumping food parcels into gutters.

A week into the disaster, large parts of Srinagar, the capital of Jammu and Kashmir, lay under water with many people still trapped atop their homes, and others crowded in relief camps.

[…]

The Indian government has put the death toll at 200 in the part of Kashmir it controls but there are fears that number will rise as the damage to Srinagar, a city of one million, and villages in southern Kashmir is fully revealed.

On the Pakistani side, officials put the death toll at 264 on Friday.

45 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Sep 13, 2014 1:49:58am

re: #42 goddamnedfrank

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Maybe it just wasn’t funny.

Cumia is such a fucking taint golem.

“hurr hurr how can a gay joke not be funneh hurr hurr” ~Cumia, the idol of idiots.

46 ausador  Sep 13, 2014 1:53:33am

re: #44 freetoken

If I hadn’t run across some links and photos on twitter about it I wouldn’t have known the Kashmir flooding had happened.

47 ausador  Sep 13, 2014 1:54:06am

This is a pretty cool recycling idea…

48 freetoken  Sep 13, 2014 1:55:32am

re: #46 ausador

These things get a bit of attention from international media and such, and aid organizations and so forth.

But the fact of, say record flooding again causing widespread loss of life and goods, doesn’t sink into the bigger American conversation. And of course, anything over there doesn’t really stick very long in the news cycle.

49 ausador  Sep 13, 2014 1:56:13am

Gahh…technical difficulties…

50 freetoken  Sep 13, 2014 2:01:28am

We don’t spend a lot of time tracking party platforms anymore, but it is that time of year when the state party committees produce platforms for the coming election.

Charles Pierce tackles the new Texas GOP platform:

HERE’S SOME STUPID FOR LUNCH

If you want to wade into the pools of reactionary backwardness of the Texastan GOP, you can have at it here.

51 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Sep 13, 2014 2:04:01am

No idea how much of that corresponds to reality, but an interesting post by a Buddhist guy:

This post explains how and why Japan radically altered Zen to make it compatible with Western ideas.
[…]
The New Buddhist reform had limited effect in Japan. There’s still a lot of pretty traditional Buddhism there now. However, the strategy of exporting New Buddhism to the West was successful. The Zen we have now is heavily influenced by it. That Zen was one of the main inputs to “Consensus Buddhism.”

meaningness.wordpress.com

52 goddamnedfrank  Sep 13, 2014 2:47:41am
Israeli soldiers from elite wire-tapping unit refuse to use ‘extortion’, ‘blackmail’ on Palestinians

Israel’s intelligence corps has been rocked by a major internal protest over the treatment of Palestinians.

More than 40 former soldiers and current army reservists have signed a letter refusing future service in the Israeli Defence Force (IDF) military intelligence wing, known as Unit 8200.

…

These include gathering personal information about a person’s sexual preference and using it to blackmail the individual into becoming a collaborator - a Palestinian who hands information to Israeli authorities.

“Any information that might enable extortion of an individual is considered relevant information,” one soldier’s statement said.

…

“The notion of rights for Palestinians does not exist at all, not even as an idea to be disregarded,” one witness statement said.

“Any Palestinian may be targeted and may suffer from sanctions, such as the denial of permits, harassment, extortion, or even direct physical injury.”

53 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Sep 13, 2014 2:51:09am

re: #52 goddamnedfrank

They’re obviously a bunch of Israel-hating antisemites.

54 goddamnedfrank  Sep 13, 2014 3:33:11am

The #PalinBrawl details just keep getting better.

According to multiple witnesses at the party, oldest Palin son Track, 25, traded blows with his sister’s ex on the front lawn of the party, and when Cleary’s father Steve tried to break the boys up, Todd Palin began to choke him.

Todd ended up walking away with a bloody nose.

…

Once the fight finally broke up, Willow and big sister Bristol, 23, who apparently spent the entire evening wearing sunglasses as they strolled around the party, tried to start things up all over again, by going after Conner’s mother, Melissa.

‘They were on a b-line, coming straight at Melissa,’ said partygoer Eric Thompson.

They were stopped by the host of the party however, Korey Klingenmeyer, who politely asked them to leave.

So Bristol started punching him in the face. Repeatedly.

There’s just no way this is over. The Palins may well escape any legal repercussions, but for the time being at least they still have to live there. People will be unsubtly fucking with them over this for a long time to come, with no lube at whatsoever. Especially now that the story has gone viral.

55 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Sep 13, 2014 4:04:17am

re: #54 goddamnedfrank

I think I get it. They were rehearsing for Idiocracy II.

56 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Sep 13, 2014 4:14:54am

And I’ve just found this:

Youtube Video

It’s perhaps the most sadly ironic thing ever. Mike Judge is interviewed by Alex Jones, the interview is called “Idiocracy is happening now”. Yes. Yes it does. And you’re a part of it, dude.

57 Dr Lizardo  Sep 13, 2014 5:01:08am

So, the issue that’s gripped the Czech tabloid press here over the last few days was the horrific rape and murder of a nine year-old girl. A suspect was arrested and he has reportedly confessed to the crime.

But the reason for the Czech tabloid press uncontrollably fapping themselves into a frenzy is the rather……complex…issue of the suspect, who has been identified as one Roman K., age 25, who is not only the uncle of the victim, but according to tabloid sources in the Czech police, he may well also be the father of the deceased. The victim’s mother is demurring on the matter and not talking about that part of the story - aside from the fact that she hopes Roman K. dies horribly in prison (an understandable sentiment, all things considered) - and the Czech authorities are awaiting the results of DNA tests, which would not only conclusively establish as to whether Roman K. is the killer, but possibly the victim’s biological father as well. If convicted, he would face life in prison with ‘special circumstances’, which translates into life in prison without the possibility of parole.

Basically, this story is becoming a tragic version of a Jerry Springer episode, and the tabloid media here is having a field day. Even the mainstream media has seen fit to (lightly) touch on the matter.

Yeesh.

58 Timothy Watson  Sep 13, 2014 5:11:14am

re: #57 Dr Lizardo

So, pretty much a normal news story here in the United States?

59 Dark_Falcon  Sep 13, 2014 5:23:31am

re: #56 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

And I’ve just found this:

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It’s perhaps the most sadly ironic thing ever. Mike Judge is interviewed by Alex Jones, the interview is called “Idiocracy is happening now”. Yes. Yes it does. And you’re a part of it, dude.

Quite Concur. Anyone going on Alex Jones’ show thereby forfeits any right to be taken seriously.

60 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Sep 13, 2014 5:27:04am

re: #59 Dark_Falcon

Quite Concur. Anyone going on Alex Jones’ show thereby forfeits any right to be taken seriously.

Well, I’ll make an exception for, say, Christopher Walken. But yeah, a guy who decries the alleged stupidization of society? You must be kidding me.

61 Dark_Falcon  Sep 13, 2014 5:35:41am

re: #60 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

Well, I’ll make an exception for, say, Christopher Walken. But yeah, a guy who decries the alleged stupidization of society? You must be kidding me.

No exceptions, Sergey. Any celebrity who goes on that show is enabling Alex Jones, letting him use the attention they generate to pump his brand of Bad Craziness into America’s media bloodstream.

62 Flounder  Sep 13, 2014 5:41:27am

re: #2 b.d.

My first thought was “BurnIng Man was soooo last week!”

Great pic!
Good morning, crisp day today!

63 Dark_Falcon  Sep 13, 2014 5:45:12am

After indictment, Adrian Peterson will not play Sunday

Vikings running back Adrian Peterson will not play on Sunday against the Patriots after he was indicted on a charge of injury to a child.

The Vikings announced the decision to deactivate Peterson on Friday, two hours after news broke that he had been indicted by a grand jury in Houston.

SNIP

Meanwhile, other players accused of domestic violence, notably Panthers defensive lineman Greg Hardy and 49ers defensive lineman Ray McDonald, will play on Sunday. The Panthers and the 49ers have cited due process, saying it wouldn’t be fair to deactivate players before the legal system plays out. The Vikings have decided that some accusations are serious enough to warrant immediate action.

What Peterson did was to whip his son with a thin, defoliated tree branch. Apparently Peterson himself was disciplined in that way as a child.

Are the Vikings going too far here, or are they being smart?

64 aagcobb  Sep 13, 2014 5:46:53am

re: #63 Dark_Falcon

After indictment, Adrian Peterson will not play Sunday

SNIP

What Peterson did was to whip his son with a thin, defoliated tree branch. Apparently Peterson himself was disciplined in that way as a child.

Are the Vikings going too far here, or are they being smart?

All I know is they just gutted my fantasy team.

65 aagcobb  Sep 13, 2014 5:48:02am

re: #61 Dark_Falcon

No exceptions, Sergey. Any celebrity who goes on that show is enabling Alex Jones, letting him use the attention they generate to pump his brand of Bad Craziness into America’s media bloodstream.

Well, yeah, but we’re talking Christopher Walken here. One of my fav actors, but who could possibly take him seriously about politics?

66 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Sep 13, 2014 5:49:09am

re: #63 Dark_Falcon

After indictment, Adrian Peterson will not play Sunday

SNIP

What Peterson did was to whip his son with a thin, defoliated tree branch. Apparently Peterson himself was disciplined in that way as a child.

Are the Vikings going too far here, or are they being smart?

1. He’s 4 years old.

2.

You tell us.

67 Dark_Falcon  Sep 13, 2014 5:50:02am

re: #65 aagcobb

Well, yeah, but we’re talking Christopher Walken here. One of my fav actors, but who could possibly take him seriously about politics?

People don’t have to take him seriously on politics, because that isn’t what a celebrity does wrong by going on that show. They do wrong by exposing their fans to Alex Jones and his insanity.

68 Flounder  Sep 13, 2014 5:52:08am

re: #66 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

It is sad that I know that when I was told to pick a switch, I knew to pick a larger one, the smaller ones stung more.

69 Dr Lizardo  Sep 13, 2014 5:52:34am

re: #58 Timothy Watson

So, pretty much a normal news story here in the United States?

Heh. Yeah, maybe in Jerry Springer’s world, though. Fortunately, child murder is exceedingly rare here, so when it does happen, it makes the headlines. In this case, with some possibly salacious shenanigans thrown into the mix, it’s a tabloid writer’s dream come true.

70 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Sep 13, 2014 5:53:15am

I can understand a form of corporal punishment towards older children who are, for example, bullies. But that’s about that.

71 Dark_Falcon  Sep 13, 2014 5:54:03am

re: #66 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

1. He’s 4 years old.

2. [Embedded image]

You tell us.

1. I got spanked hard at 4 myself, though my father kept my pants on and used his bare hand. But the son’s age doesn’t decide it for me.

2. Those wounds on the younger Peterson, they decide things for me. There is no justification for inflicting such wounds on a child. I had not seen those photos before you posted them.

72 Bubblehead II  Sep 13, 2014 5:54:37am

re: #63 Dark_Falcon

After indictment, Adrian Peterson will not play Sunday

SNIP

What Peterson did was to whip his son with a thin, defoliated tree branch. Apparently Peterson himself was disciplined in that way as a child.

Are the Vikings going too far here, or are they being smart?

Take a look at the pics here and ask that question again.

73 Bubblehead II  Sep 13, 2014 5:59:59am

re: #71 Dark_Falcon

1. I got spanked hard at 4 myself, though my father kept my pants on and used his bare hand. But the son’s age doesn’t decide it for me.

2. Those wounds on the younger Peterson, they decide things for me. There is no justification for inflicting such wounds on a child. I had not seen those photos before you posted them.

Also please note. Those pics were taken 1 week after the beating.

74 Dark_Falcon  Sep 13, 2014 6:03:32am

re: #73 Bubblehead II

Also please note. Those pics were taken 1 week after the beating.

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So noted. As I said, those photos are a game changer for me.

Frankly, I may end up not watching any football on Sunday. The the scandals this week and the brutality behind them have left me feeling sick.

75 William Barnett-Lewis  Sep 13, 2014 6:07:05am

re: #74 Dark_Falcon

So noted. As I said, those photos are a game changer for me.

Frankly, I may end up not watching any football on Sunday. The the scandals this week and the brutality behind them have left me feeling sick.

Arsenal is playing Man City right now. 1-1 @ 64th minute at the moment.

I have far more interest in the Premier League than I do in the NFL this season.

76 NJDhockeyfan  Sep 13, 2014 6:09:55am
77 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Sep 13, 2014 6:11:38am

BTW, I haven’t checked, but I’ll be very surprised if the usual suspects won’t defend and endorse this on biblical grounds.

78 Dark_Falcon  Sep 13, 2014 6:14:58am

And speaking of Ray Rice, the judge and prosecutor in his case are the same in the case of Shaneen Allen, a Pennsylvania woman who is facing a prison sentence for having carried her handgun (which his was licensed to carry concealed in the Keystone State) into New Jersey. The fact that Rice got pretrial diversion while she was ruled ineligible just for having a gun in her car turns a Fox News “Outrageous Outrage!!1” into a real outrage. It also well illustrates the predatory nature of trial lawyers: The prosecutors didn’t want to go after the rich Rice and be seen as “hurting football” but they have no qualms about bring the hammer down on an ordinary woman.

79 Bubblehead II  Sep 13, 2014 6:20:20am

re: #77 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

BTW, I haven’t checked, but I’ll be very surprised if the usual suspects won’t defend and endorse this on biblical grounds.

Probably. And they will probably use Proverbs 13:24 to back up their claims.

Posted this time without the sarc tags.

80 Dark_Falcon  Sep 13, 2014 6:24:06am

re: #77 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

BTW, I haven’t checked, but I’ll be very surprised if the usual suspects won’t defend and endorse this on biblical grounds.

They will, that’s part of what makes me sick. Bryan Fischer is going to jump on this, with other Dominionists following in his wake. After them will come home-schoolers, ‘Sovereign Citizens’ and others faulting the government for interfering in Adrian Peterson’s authority over his son.

Some of those who will jump in will do so in part to say “See, I’m defending a black man so I’m not racist.” Meanwhile, others will use Peterson’s actions as proof of the violent and irrational nature of African-American men, which they will also tie into Michael Brown and Trayvon Martin.

It’s too early for condo-dwelling me to scream, so I’ll let Michael Jackson do it for me:

Youtube Video

81 Eventual Carrion  Sep 13, 2014 6:24:48am

re: #55 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

I think I get it. They were rehearsing for Idiocracy II.

Doing it family style!

82 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Sep 13, 2014 6:26:42am

re: #79 Bubblehead II

Probably. And they will probably use Proverbs 13:24 to back up their claims.

Posted this time without the sarc tags.

As well as Proverbs 20:30 and Proverbs 22:15 and Proverbs 23:13-15 and Proverbs 29:15.

83 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Sep 13, 2014 6:29:53am

He needs to quote

The blueness of a wound cleanseth away evil: so do stripes the inward parts of the belly.

and claim he’s being religiously oppressed.

84 lawhawk  Sep 13, 2014 6:32:21am

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area.

Woke up this morning to learn about this:

Seriously bad things. It’s not clear whether why the officers were ambushed and shot. But there’s a cop killer on the loose, and they’ve got LEOs in PA, NJ, and NY on high alert.

85 Eventual Carrion  Sep 13, 2014 6:32:25am

re: #68 Flounder

It is sad that I know that when I was told to pick a switch, I knew to pick a larger one, the smaller ones stung more.

Mine came from the willow tree. Thin and whippy. And yeah, I had to go get my own also.

86 Bubblehead II  Sep 13, 2014 6:33:13am

re: #82 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

As well as Proverbs 20:30 and Proverbs 22:15 and Proverbs 23:13-15 and Proverbs 29:15.

Yep. And if those have failed. Leviticus 20:9

New Living Translation
“Anyone who dishonors father or mother must be put to death. Such a person is guilty of a capital offense.

87 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Sep 13, 2014 6:34:11am

re: #86 Bubblehead II

Yep. And if those have failed. Leviticus 20:9

New Living Translation
“Anyone who dishonors father or mother must be put to death. Such a person is guilty of a capital offense.

You gotta love the ancient scriptures.

88 Bubblehead II  Sep 13, 2014 6:37:00am

re: #87 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

You gotta love the ancient scriptures.

Looks like Bryan is now chiming in.

89 NJDhockeyfan  Sep 13, 2014 6:38:19am
90 Timothy Watson  Sep 13, 2014 6:38:40am

re: #74 Dark_Falcon

So noted. As I said, those photos are a game changer for me.

Frankly, I may end up not watching any football on Sunday. The the scandals this week and the brutality behind them have left me feeling sick.

I was smacked a couple times when I was a kid, but I’ve never heard of someone being hit with a switch on the inside of their thighs.

The pictures aren’t actually great quality, but it looks the entirety of the outside of the thigh was bruised.

91 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Sep 13, 2014 6:39:04am

re: #88 Bubblehead II

Looks like Bryan is now chiming in.

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The Bible says nothing about not breaking the skin. Fischer is thus a heretic and will go to hell.

92 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Sep 13, 2014 6:41:02am

re: #89 NJDhockeyfan

From the article:

However, a mantis shrimp isn’t actually related to shrimp

So no, he didn’t catch a giant shrimp.

93 Dr. Matt  Sep 13, 2014 6:41:20am

re: #84 lawhawk

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area.

Woke up this morning to learn about this:

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Seriously bad things. It’s not clear whether why the officers were ambushed and shot. But there’s a cop killer on the loose, and they’ve got LEOs in PA, NJ, and NY on high alert.

I don’t like to jump to conclusions, but I’m laying $20 down that it’s a sovereign citizen.

94 Dark_Falcon  Sep 13, 2014 6:42:23am

re: #88 Bubblehead II

Looks like Bryan is now chiming in.

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OK, that surprises me a bit. I wonder if he’d feel the same way if Peterson was white.

95 Eventual Carrion  Sep 13, 2014 6:42:28am

re: #91 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

The Bible says nothing about not breaking the skin. Fischer is thus a heretic and will go to hell.

Yeah. I don’t think the Bible was too worried about breaking skin when its favorite punishment was stoning.

96 lawhawk  Sep 13, 2014 6:43:42am

re: #93 Dr. Matt

Two possibilities come to mind:

1) domestic situation.
2) sovereign citizen.

Both are volatile, but the latter is the far more dangerous scenario.

97 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Sep 13, 2014 6:44:24am

re: #95 Eventual Carrion

Yeah. I don’t think the bible wasn’t too worried about breaking skin when its favorite punishment was stoning.

Besides, not breaking the skin is equivalent to sparing the rod.

98 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Sep 13, 2014 6:45:41am

PZ takes Dawkins to task on feminism:

freethoughtblogs.com

99 Eventual Carrion  Sep 13, 2014 6:49:41am

Cool

100 Bubblehead II  Sep 13, 2014 6:53:25am

DERP!

101 Timothy Watson  Sep 13, 2014 6:54:20am

re: #96 lawhawk

Two possibilities come to mind:

1) domestic situation.
2) sovereign citizen.

Both are volatile, but the latter is the far more dangerous scenario.

Normal nutjob is also a possibility:
washingtonpost.com

102 Who_is_Jon_Snow?  Sep 13, 2014 7:01:29am

re: #75 William Barnett-Lewis

Arsenal is playing Man City right now. 1-1 @ 64th minute at the moment.

I have far more interest in the Premier League than I do in the NFL this season.

I have adopted Crystal Palace as my team for the year, since I have the feeling that they will be relegated at the end of the season. Game is starting right now on nbcsports.com.

103 Alyosha  Sep 13, 2014 7:18:12am

re: #98 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

PZ takes Dawkins to task on feminism:

freethoughtblogs.com

I don’t always agree with Myers but his stance on sexual abuse within the atheist movements and in society at large has been a sight for sore eyes. Don’t often drop by there these days so thanks for the link.

104 Dark_Falcon  Sep 13, 2014 7:32:09am

San Diego school district gets hands on an MRAP

The San Diego Unified School District just picked up an armored MRAP through the so-called “1033 Program,” the 1997 that granted permanent authority to the Secretary of Defense to transfer defense material to federal and state agencies for use in law enforcement, particularly those associated with counter-drug and counter-terrorism activities.

SNIP

These MRAPs are hot commodities for SWAT and similar high-risk police units. The question on everyone’s mind is, why does a school district need this?

The district intends to use the MRAP as a rescue vehicle.

“When we have an emergency at a school, we’ve got to get in and save kids,” said department Captain Joe Florentino told inewsource.

“Our idea is ‘How can we get in and pull out a classroom at a time of kids if there’s an active shooter?’ said Florentino. “‘If there’s a fire [or] if there’s an earthquake, can we rip down a wall?’ Stuff like that.”

The MRAP is being repainted to look less militarist at the local Morse High School. It is the district’s single most expensive piece of property, valued at around $730,000, but it’s not the only property San Diego-area police have been given through the 1033 Program.

Image: Rescue_Vehicle_01_t1200.jpg

I think this is a foolish idea, especially with things in Iraq in the state they are in. Surplus MRAPs ought to be flown Irbil and handed over to the Kurds or into Baghdad and handed over to the Iraqi Army. Use the war wagons to fight the actual war, that’s what I say.

105 Dark_Falcon  Sep 13, 2014 7:39:19am

re: #104 Dark_Falcon

Minor note: The picture I linked to was digitally modified to show how the MRAP in question will look after it has been repainted.

106 darthstar  Sep 13, 2014 7:42:18am

So we’ve reached the point where we just assume ‘active shooters’ are a given and schools need armored vehicles for said situations.

The militarized city in Robocop was supposed to be fiction.

107 darthstar  Sep 13, 2014 7:45:42am

Found the story on a non gun-porn site.

108 GlutenFreeJesus  Sep 13, 2014 7:45:46am

re: #48 freetoken

These things get a bit of attention from international media and such, and aid organizations and so forth.

But the fact of, say record flooding again causing widespread loss of life and goods, doesn’t sink into the bigger American conversation. And of course, anything over there doesn’t really stick very long in the news cycle.

Shut up. I WANT MY iPHONE!!!

109 Ryan King  Sep 13, 2014 7:48:51am

Holy crap, the NFL is carnage. I don’t know what’s worse, the mansplaining from men or from women.

The pics of Peterson’s son really tell the story.

110 Dark_Falcon  Sep 13, 2014 7:52:33am

re: #107 darthstar

Found the story on a non gun-porn site.

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guns.com isn’t a “gun porn” site.

111 Dr. Matt  Sep 13, 2014 7:54:59am

So, is anyone else a little bit surprised that a video has not yet surfaced of the Palin brawl??

112 Ryan King  Sep 13, 2014 7:57:06am

Concussions downplayed, wacky drug policies showing some false sense of order, domestic violence dusted under the rug.

This is the result of a society that overvalues sports as a professional endeavor that youth should ascribe to, where physically talented young men are crushed under the weight of fame and $ at a very young age.

When they don’t handle it well, just sorta smack it to the side and keep the money train rolling.

113 Dr. Matt  Sep 13, 2014 7:57:16am

re: #100 Bubblehead II

DERP!

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SAN ANTONIO — Texas nationalists are awaiting Scotland’s pending vote on seceding from the United Kingdom in the hopes it could happen in Texas.

Texans looking for guidance from Euros…..amusing.

114 WhatEVs  Sep 13, 2014 7:59:45am

re: #111 Dr. Matt

So, is anyone else a little bit surprised that a video has not yet surfaced of the Palin brawl??

Either there’s some major price negotiations going on or the firing of the one guy who spoke about it has scared people who fear they might lose their job in very small town Alaska into submission.

Of course, could be there weren’t enough kids there. I’d be so slow to think about taping stuff on my phone (something I live on, btw), the event would be over before I even started.

115 stpaulbear  Sep 13, 2014 8:00:19am

re: #59 Dark_Falcon

Quite Concur. Anyone going on Alex Jones’ show thereby forfeits any right to be taken seriously.

Not that any video of Alex Jones could be a ‘favorite’, but I do love the way this appearance on a BBC program spirals out of control to the point where the host just starts laughing at him, then ignoring him and making ‘crazy’ motions with his hands.

alex jones bbc meltdown

116 sagehen  Sep 13, 2014 8:01:37am

re: #100 Bubblehead II

DERP!

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And the U.S. would never again have a Republican president.

117 lawhawk  Sep 13, 2014 8:02:19am

On a positive note, this is pretty damned cool.

After 13 years, the people in this photo have been identified. And all are alive and well.

118 Bubblehead II  Sep 13, 2014 8:03:21am

re: #116 sagehen

And the U.S. would never again have a Republican president.

LoL. And this is a bad thing?

119 Dark_Falcon  Sep 13, 2014 8:04:11am

re: #115 stpaulbear

Not that any video of Alex Jones could be a ‘favorite’, but I do love the way this appearance on a BBC program spirals out of control to the point where the host just starts laughing at him, then ignoring him and making ‘crazy’ motions with his hands.

alex jones bbc meltdown

That is funny, watching Jones get treated like the lunatic he is.

120 Dark_Falcon  Sep 13, 2014 8:05:30am

re: #118 Bubblehead II

LoL. And this is a bad thing?

One party nations don’t do very well, and the US would lose a lot materially without Texas.

But it won’t actually secede and Fischer is just DERPing.

121 De Kolta Chair  Sep 13, 2014 8:13:32am

re: #115 stpaulbear

alex jones bbc meltdown

Jones has alien shapeshifter eyes.

122 Alyosha  Sep 13, 2014 8:13:56am

re: #120 Dark_Falcon

One party nations don’t do very well, and the US would lose a lot materially without Texas.

But it won’t actually secede and Fischer is just DERPing.

Whilst agreeing with you that a state without an effective opposition party isn’t healthy, wouldn’t you agree that the alternative government at least behave in a rational manner?

123 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Sep 13, 2014 8:18:02am

I just noticed that Pharyngula’s been crocoducked too!

124 Dark_Falcon  Sep 13, 2014 8:18:19am

re: #122 Alyosha

Whilst agreeing with you that a state without an effective opposition party isn’t healthy, wouldn’t you agree that the alternative government at least behave in a rational manner?

Actually, no. Rationality is really too much to hope for from governments, at least most of the time.

125 Ryan King  Sep 13, 2014 8:21:47am
Welfare for Weed: EBT Recipients Can Use Benefit Cards To Buy Marijuana

No need to link to it, you know where it probably came from.

126 Varek Raith  Sep 13, 2014 8:23:34am

re: #124 Dark_Falcon

Actually, no. Rationality is really too much to hope for from governments, at least most of the time.

That’s bullshit.

127 Ryan King  Sep 13, 2014 8:23:55am

Why would anybody want to watch a ‘debate’ between Dinesh D’Souza and Ward Churchill?

128 De Kolta Chair  Sep 13, 2014 8:24:16am

What appears to have been large, sensitive lips have earned the creature whose fossil was found in Africa the scientific name Jaggermeryx naida, or “Jagger’s water nymph,” after singer Mick Jagger, well known for his large lips

I’m not seeing it, and the dimples make it look more like Peter Noone.

129 Ryan King  Sep 13, 2014 8:25:24am

re: #126 Varek Raith

That’s bullshit.

It’s the ideology talking.

130 Dark_Falcon  Sep 13, 2014 8:25:27am

re: #127 Ryan King

Why would anybody want to watch a ‘debate’ between Dinesh D’Souza and Ward Churchill?

A desire to see dishonesty and malice in their pure forms.

131 Dark_Falcon  Sep 13, 2014 8:26:03am

re: #129 Ryan King

It’s the ideology talking.

No, its exasperation with people talking.

132 Dark_Falcon  Sep 13, 2014 8:26:26am

Deleted.

133 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Sep 13, 2014 8:26:52am

re: #120 Dark_Falcon

One party nations don’t do very well, and the US would lose a lot materially without Texas.

But it won’t actually secede and Fischer is just DERPing.

Nobody talks about 1-party state. In the unfortunately unlikely event the wingnut party ceased to exist, the Dems would split into two or more parties, e.g. moderate corporatists and moderate social democrats. The American democracy would be just fine.

134 Alyosha  Sep 13, 2014 8:27:07am

re: #124 Dark_Falcon

Actually, no. Rationality is really too much to hope for from governments, at least most of the time.

Well, inasmuch as democratic governments are elected by people whose votes are often cast emotionally. That actually suggests that good governance could be better achieved with a rational opposition.

135 Lidane  Sep 13, 2014 8:27:44am

re: #127 Ryan King

Why would anybody want to watch a ‘debate’ between Dinesh D’Souza and Ward Churchill?

Masochism. That’s the only explanation.

136 Amory Blaine  Sep 13, 2014 8:27:48am

Parties are only vehicles for ideology.

137 ObserverArt  Sep 13, 2014 8:28:53am

re: #75 William Barnett-Lewis

Arsenal is playing Man City right now. 1-1 @ 64th minute at the moment.

I have far more interest in the Premier League than I do in the NFL this season.

And that little message of “more interest in the Premier league than I do in the NFL” should be send major tremors to NFL headquarters.

By the way…morning all.

Chilly here in central Ohio today. But I love this kind of weather. High of 70…intermittent clouds. Colors are great in this weather. Soon the leaver will change and I am thinking with the lush green we;ve had all year long, the leaves will be very colorful this year.

I’m ready for a nice drive through Ohio’s Hocking Hills in a couple weeks or so. Camera ready too!

138 stpaulbear  Sep 13, 2014 8:29:30am

re: #128 De Kolta Chair

What appears to have been large, sensitive lips have earned the creature whose fossil was found in Africa the scientific name Jaggermeryx naida, or “Jagger’s water nymph,” after singer Mick Jagger, well known for his large lips

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I’m not seeing it, but the dimples do resemble Peter Noone.

Steve Tyler just started sending his photo to anthropologists worldwide.

139 Dark_Falcon  Sep 13, 2014 8:31:54am

re: #136 Amory Blaine

Parties are only vehicles for ideology.

No, they do a great deal for than that in terms of political organization.

140 Lidane  Sep 13, 2014 8:34:14am

re: #139 Dark_Falcon

You realize you’re just reinforcing his point, right?

Political organization = driving the vehicle of an ideology. You’re getting like-minded people together to vote and affect the government.

141 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Sep 13, 2014 8:35:21am

142 Gus  Sep 13, 2014 8:37:00am

“Basically a tank…” LOL

143 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Sep 13, 2014 8:37:01am

I guess it must’ve been posted, but anyway:

“Oh, he got attacked when he was shooting ‘The Passion’,” Sorbo agreed before continuing, “From the Jewish community, saying ‘look at the way you’re portraying us,’ I mean, I go, okay, news bulletin: you did kill Jesus.”

rawstory.com

144 Alyosha  Sep 13, 2014 8:37:45am

re: #139 Dark_Falcon

No, they do a great deal for than that in terms of political organization.

They sometimes allow ideas that should’ve died ignominiously in an age before antibiotics to survive into the modern age where they can help contribute to a world in which even antibiotics can’t provide succour.

145 Lidane  Sep 13, 2014 8:39:58am

re: #143 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

Honestly, this is the most attention anyone has paid to Kevin Sorbo since the 90’s.

I guess he found his new meal ticket on the religious bigot circuit.

147 Dark_Falcon  Sep 13, 2014 8:42:48am

re: #142 Gus

“Basically a tank…” LOL

It is funny when MRAPs get described that way, its a fact.

BBL

148 wrenchwench  Sep 13, 2014 8:42:57am
149 Amory Blaine  Sep 13, 2014 8:43:17am

Patrick Stewart Surprises Trekkie Who Has Life-Threatening Illness With Out-Of-This-World Visit

Patrick Stewart channeled the heroism of Captain Picard when he surprised this little Trekkie.

Dawn Garrigus of Statesboro, Georgia, is an 11-year-old with mitochondrial disease, a progressive chronic illness that causes physical, mental and developmental disabilities. She is also a devoted Star Trek fan.

Through the Make-A-Wish foundation, Dawn requested to attend Dragon Con, a sci-fi and fantasy convention in Georgia, where the popular series would make an appearance. Word got around to Patrick Stewart, who was set to attend the convention, that a Make-A-Wish child (and huge Star Trek lover) would be attending, according to a representative from the organization. The actor, who played Captain Picard in the series, surprised the Trekkie with a personal meet and greet at the convention on Sept. 1.

150 Amory Blaine  Sep 13, 2014 8:48:55am

re: #136 Amory Blaine

Parties are only vehicles for ideology.

151 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Sep 13, 2014 8:54:46am

re: #148 wrenchwench

And who dubbed Harris a part of the atheist intellectual elite?

The atheist intellectual elite are people like Adolf Grünbaum, Wes Morriston, Barbara Forrest, Quentin Smith and various other philosophers and scholars.

152 wrenchwench  Sep 13, 2014 8:55:38am

re: #151 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

And who dubbed Harris a part of the atheist intellectual elite?

The atheist intellectual elite are people like Adolf Grünbaum, Wes Morriston, Barbara Forrest, Quentin Smith and various other philosophers and scholars.

Harris’d be more like a ‘pundit’?

153 Varek Raith  Sep 13, 2014 8:57:24am

re: #152 wrenchwench

Harris’d be more like a ‘pundit’?

I view Harris the same way I view Maher. An insufferable jackass.
;)

154 Alyosha  Sep 13, 2014 8:57:40am

re: #148 wrenchwench

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Which requires the least amount of unfounded suppositions? Theism or atheism? Which is why I’ll not be name-dropping Harris anytime soon.

155 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 13, 2014 8:57:45am

heh…just saw this and it reminded me of Charles’ U2/Nickleback comment the other night:

156 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Sep 13, 2014 8:57:53am

re: #152 wrenchwench

Harris’d be more like a ‘pundit’?

Yep.

157 PhillyPretzel  Sep 13, 2014 8:58:26am

re: #149 Amory Blaine

Now something like that should be played up by the press; not sports personalities who beat people up.

158 wrenchwench  Sep 13, 2014 8:59:56am

re: #155 Backwoods_Sleuth

heh…just saw this and it reminded me of Charles’ U2/Nickleback comment the other night:

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159 Amory Blaine  Sep 13, 2014 9:01:01am

re: #155 Backwoods_Sleuth

For some reason I have a Chad Kroeger pic on my desktop. Must’ve been a hell of a night.

160 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Sep 13, 2014 9:06:19am

Tying the 2 topics introduced above together:

There also seems to be a body of data attesting to the reality of psychic phenomena, much of which has been ignored by mainstream science. The dictum that “extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence” remains a reasonable guide in these areas, but this does not mean that the universe isn’t far stranger than many of us suppose. It is important to realize that a healthy, scientific skepticism is compatible with a fundamental openness of mind.

~ from Harris’ “End of Faith”.

161 sattv4u2  Sep 13, 2014 9:08:07am

Rain delayed back 9 on my last full day of golf/fun/sun

162 De Kolta Chair  Sep 13, 2014 9:08:48am

When political conventions were fun, 1976:

Rockefeller held up the severed phone for the cameras, sweat breaking through his dress shirt. He then gave the sign back to a Reagan delegate — after ripping it in half.

The American flag on the stage fell over.

New York and North Carolina delegates, whose standards were next to one another on the floor, issued catcalls at one another, waving fists, making threats.

Dole, at the podium, was livid.

— from Rick Perlstein’s “The Invisible Bridge: The Fall of Nixon and the Rise of Reagan” (2014)

163 PhillyPretzel  Sep 13, 2014 9:08:54am

re: #161 sattv4u2

It is an overcast/rainy day in PA.

164 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 13, 2014 9:10:42am

Jeebus, and here I thought the only thing we had to worry about in the Ohio River was the water quality:

Dead shark found along Manchester shore

MANCHESTER, Ohio | A morning spent fishing for bait fish ended with the discovery of a bull shark in the Ohio River near Manchester.

The dead fish was found at the Manchester boat launch, at Island Creek Campground on Friday.

According to John Bays of Manchester, he intended to fish for hybrid bass which frequent the area.

A shark, measured at 2-feet, 9-inches long was found floating along the shoreline, and appeared to have been struck by a boat motor prop.

165 wrenchwench  Sep 13, 2014 9:12:12am

re: #160 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

Tying the 2 topics introduced above together:

~ from Harris’ “End of Faith”.

scientific skepticism is compatible with a fundamental openness of mind.

‘A fundamental openness of mind’ sounds like when I leave the zipper open on my day pack. Good things can fall out, and anyone could stuff weird things in there. I prefer a bit more control over the contents of my day pack, let alone my mind.

166 sattv4u2  Sep 13, 2014 9:12:14am

re: #163 PhillyPretzel

It is an overcast/rainy day in PA.

Yeah. Early a.m I walked the dogs on the beach and was sunny with just a few clouds

Tee time shortly after and got to about the 4th hole when it started clouding up. A few moments later, showers. Would have kept going but there was thunder off in the distance so they sounded the alarm calling everyone in till it passes

167 sattv4u2  Sep 13, 2014 9:14:36am

re: #164 Backwoods_Sleuth

A shark, measured at 2-feet, 9-inches

Sand shark probably

Here south of Myrtle Beach we see them often close in to the shore looking for the small fish that congregate there

168 Alyosha  Sep 13, 2014 9:14:49am

re: #160 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

re: #165 wrenchwench

Harris does have a fondness for ‘spirituality’. I wonder if his mind is open enough to give Sufism a try haha

169 wrenchwench  Sep 13, 2014 9:17:37am

re: #168 Alyosha

Harris does have a fondness for ‘spirituality’. I wonder if his mind is open enough to give Sufism a try haha

NOT THAT OPEN ARE U CRAZY!!?11!

I have a morbid fascination with your avatar image.

170 ObserverArt  Sep 13, 2014 9:22:46am

re: #164 Backwoods_Sleuth

Jeebus, and here I thought the only thing we had to worry about in the Ohio River was the water quality:

Dead shark found along Manchester shore

That dude was a traveler! Bull Sharks can go in freshwater. But I don’t know if I have ever heard of one going that far up the Mississippi and hanging a right into the Ohio. Wow. I’m gonna see how far they have been found inland in the US.

171 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 13, 2014 9:24:09am

re: #170 ObserverArt

That dude was a traveler! Bull Sharks can go in freshwater. But I don’t know if I have ever heard of one going that far up the Mississippi and hanging a right into the Ohio. Wow. I’m gonna see how far they have been found inland in the US.

I am amused by what the Chief of Police said:

“I was skeptical when they said he had a shark, but it sure is a shark,” Bowling said, who photographed the fish and contacted ODNR for Bays.

There have been no previous reports of shark sightings in the area, Bowling said, although Bays said he had heard of ducks disappearing from the water’s surface and attributed it to snapping turtles.

“I may have to rethink that,” he said.

172 ObserverArt  Sep 13, 2014 9:25:23am

re: #167 sattv4u2

A shark, measured at 2-feet, 9-inches

Sand shark probably

Here south of Myrtle Beach we see them often close in to the shore looking for the small fish that congregate there

Article stated Bull Shark. As I just posted, they can go inland into fresh water, brackish water, whatever. And I think they can be nasty to man or anything.

EDIT: Wiki claims they have been seen as far up the Mississippi as Illinois. Wow. Look out Pittsburgh! Hell, theoretically one could make its way up the Scioto to Columbus!!! Panic sets in…

173 Alyosha  Sep 13, 2014 9:25:43am

re: #169 wrenchwench

NOT THAT OPEN ARE U CRAZY!!?11!

I have a morbid fascination with your avatar image.

They’re dinosaurs :D

174 sattv4u2  Sep 13, 2014 9:27:03am

16th hole at the course I played the Monday and playing again today. Monday, my tee shot found the water. The alligator in the water became very curious of the ball. I did not try to retrieve the ball!!

Image: tbhome1-610x2251.jpg

175 sattv4u2  Sep 13, 2014 9:27:47am

re: #172 ObserverArt

Article stated Bull Shark. As I just posted, they can go inland into fresh water, brackish water, whatever. And I think they can be nasty to man or anything.

Yup

Even a small(ish) sand shark will give you a good size nip

176 RealityBasedSteve  Sep 13, 2014 9:28:11am

Hey All,

A bit coolish here in Tennessee, around 57* right not, looking at a high around 70. Tomorrow up into the mid 70s.

Decided that I didn’t want to go diving today (just a bit cool this morning) so I’ll probably go tomorrow. Taking the oppertunity to catch up on some work around the house, and do some sniping on eBay on odds and ends I could use for various things.

How fare you?

RBS

177 wrenchwench  Sep 13, 2014 9:29:45am

re: #173 Alyosha

They’re dinosaurs :D

Cannibals!

178 Alyosha  Sep 13, 2014 9:32:06am

re: #177 wrenchwench

Cannibals!

It’s the closest I’m likely to get to seeing a therapod chowing down on sweet, sweet hadrosaur.

179 De Kolta Chair  Sep 13, 2014 9:32:55am

Not to flog a dead Nickleback (or gnu), but one of the tunes on this 2006 “neo-Brit beat” album is entitled Stickleback

Very Link Wray-ish.

180 Dr. Matt  Sep 13, 2014 9:35:18am
181 Gus  Sep 13, 2014 9:38:58am
182 Gus  Sep 13, 2014 9:40:58am

Big difference between:

Expressing confidence that the United States was on “the right side of history” in this battle, Mr. Obama said the nation would also resist Russia’s incursions in Ukraine, even though he noted that the United States has very little trade with Ukraine and “geopolitically, what happens in Ukraine doesn’t pose a great threat to us.”

and:

And if it were not for us, I think it’s fair to say that the situation would be much worse. But it’s something that we are going to have to not just pay attention to but continue to organize, not so much because Ukraine itself is a vital national security threat to us — we do very little trade with Ukraine and, geopolitically, it doesn’t — what happens in Ukraine doesn’t pose a direct threat to us — but because we are expected to uphold basic international rules and norms. And those rules and norms are what not only allows us to prosper but has allowed an unprecedented number of people to rise out of poverty, and wealth to spread to vast corners of the world, and the Internet to connect the world together.

183 ObserverArt  Sep 13, 2014 9:46:35am

Didn’t there used to be an old journalism standard for when you removed words to cut a statement short with some kind of notation that it had been condensed???

Now everything is written like it was edited by James O’Keefe - Project Veritas.

184 wrenchwench  Sep 13, 2014 9:46:56am

re: #182 Gus

The stuff between the ” “s used to be direct quotations. Now paraphrasings seem to be acceptable.

The new journamalism.

185 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 13, 2014 9:48:06am

re: #183 ObserverArt

Didn’t there used to be an old journalism standard for when you removed words to cut a statement short with some kind of notation that it had been condensed???

Now everything is written like it was edited by James O’Keefe - Project Veritas.

The worst part is NYT putting quotation marks around something that is not a direct quote. They can’t even paraphrase correctly.

186 PhillyPretzel  Sep 13, 2014 9:49:53am

re: #185 Backwoods_Sleuth

As my late mom used to say, “All the news that is fit to slant.”

187 Gus  Sep 13, 2014 9:51:08am

re: #184 wrenchwench

The stuff between the ” “s used to be direct quotations. Now paraphrasings seem to be acceptable.

The new journamalism.

Unacceptable.

188 ObserverArt  Sep 13, 2014 9:54:10am

re: #185 Backwoods_Sleuth

The worst part is NYT putting quotation marks around something that is not a direct quote. They can’t even paraphrase correctly.

I wonder if the younger folks even know all that is going on. Everything is so short anymore, so cutting and getting the meaning you want out of something will be standard but not necessarily truthful. Yeesh.

Just think how you could twist the meaning of some famous speeches in history by hack paraphrasing and sloppy punctuation, etc.

189 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Sep 13, 2014 9:55:33am

re: #185 Backwoods_Sleuth

The worst part is NYT putting quotation marks around something that is not a direct quote. They can’t even paraphrase correctly.

I had a letter to the editor in the NY Times earlier this year. They proposed some edits, including putting into quotation marks something that wasn’t actually a quotation. I pushed back hard, and prevailed (on that edit, at least). But I was appalled to discover that the Letters Editor (or perhaps one of the minions thereof) had no idea that you shouldn’t put quote marks around paraphrases.

190 Alyosha  Sep 13, 2014 9:55:45am

re: #184 wrenchwench

The stuff between the ” “s used to be direct quotations. Now paraphrasings seem to be acceptable.

The new journamalism.

Noticed Sky News repeat the tired talking point that Obama ‘lacks a strategy to deal with ISIS’ the other day. I ranted how it had undeservingly become a right wing meme in the US to my bewildered family members.

Today they noted his ‘reluctance’ to become committed militarily to combatting ISIS as if it were a criticism.

The prevailing tone has suggested to me that the media is itching for an old-fashioned Bush-era scrap for ratings. I wear revulsion like a Carmen Miranda bonnet whenever the ‘news’ comes on.

191 ObserverArt  Sep 13, 2014 9:56:09am

re: #187 Gus

Unacceptable.

To some of us, it seems. But perfectly acceptable to others.

192 sattv4u2  Sep 13, 2014 9:57:04am

Lunch eaten
Adult Beverage consumed
All clear sounded

off to play the back 9

193 PhillyPretzel  Sep 13, 2014 9:57:05am

re: #188 ObserverArt

I had a co-worker misquote Teddy Roosevelt’s, “Speak softly and carry a big stick” to “Walk softly and…” I found the original quote and showed it to him. He did not even care about it. Awful.

194 wrenchwench  Sep 13, 2014 9:57:38am

When thing start to bug you, take a closer look.

195 De Kolta Chair  Sep 13, 2014 10:00:44am

Something tells me that Dr. Jim Matthews of Meridian, Mississippi is an Elvis fan.

196 PhillyPretzel  Sep 13, 2014 10:01:40am

re: #195 De Kolta Chair

It would seem so.

197 Alyosha  Sep 13, 2014 10:02:23am

In his speech at the Gettysburg battlefield, Lincoln noted that ‘we cannot dedicate, consecrate or hallow this ground’, sparking fury amongst future Civil War re-enactment groups who say the President’s refusal to acknowledge the sacredness of the site undermines the liberty so hard-won there.

198 Gus  Sep 13, 2014 10:06:33am

Paged.

199 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Sep 13, 2014 10:12:03am

re: #198 Gus

Gus, I re-read it 3 times, but aside from the “great”/”direct” difference I didn’t get what is wrong with NYT’s quote. Can you elaborate?

200 prairiefire  Sep 13, 2014 10:12:44am

Looks like old downtown Pahoa is going to be taken by Pele. Very sad. When our folks moved back to the Big Island, I was all like “It’s a Volcano!!” They just laughed at me and said the lava always flows to the sea.

201 Gus  Sep 13, 2014 10:13:09am

re: #199 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

Gus, I re-read it 3 times, but aside from the “great”/”direct” difference I didn’t get what is wrong with NYT’s quote. Can you elaborate?

It’s not what Obama said. Period. Geopolitically is in reference to trade. There’s a huge difference. If the transcript is what Obama said than Landler just made up a freaking quote out of his ass that’s why.

202 Gus  Sep 13, 2014 10:14:39am

Not only does it appear to be a misquote it’s a totally wrong summary of Obama’s remarks.

203 De Kolta Chair  Sep 13, 2014 10:16:29am

Just noticed this funny Yahoo News headline from yesterday:

Grownup Congressman Mark Sanford Announces Breakup on Facebook

204 Alyosha  Sep 13, 2014 10:17:58am

Can’t imbed here since I lack ze Twitters but my brother @aydennedya tweeted:

Sarah brought a Bristol to Palin fight. #PalinBrawl

205 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Sep 13, 2014 10:19:00am

re: #201 Gus

It’s not what Obama said. Period. Geopolitically is in reference to trade. There’s a huge difference. If the transcript is what Obama said than Landler just made up a freaking quote out of his ass that’s why.

I don’t see how “geopolitically” can refer to trade.

“not so much because Ukraine itself is a vital national security threat to us — we do very little trade with Ukraine and, geopolitically, it doesn’t — what happens in Ukraine doesn’t pose a direct threat to us —”

“geopolitically” refers to “it”, which “doesn’t”. What is “it” and what it “doesn’t”?

It = what happens in Ukraine

doesn’t = doesn’t pose a direct threat to us

How can it refer to trade, if the word wouldn’t make sense in that context?

206 Bubblehead II  Sep 13, 2014 10:25:25am

Beware the BEE’S! BATS!

Rabid bat attacks, bites Oregon man jamming on guitar

207 ObserverArt  Sep 13, 2014 10:29:14am

re: #205 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

I don’t see how “geopolitically” can refer to trade.

“not so much because Ukraine itself is a vital national security threat to us — we do very little trade with Ukraine and, geopolitically, it doesn’t — what happens in Ukraine doesn’t pose a direct threat to us —”

“geopolitically” refers to “it”, which “doesn’t”. What is “it” and what it “doesn’t”?

It = what happens in Ukraine

doesn’t = doesn’t pose a direct threat to us

How can it refer to trade, if the word wouldn’t make sense in that context?

To me, the quote was cut down and gives the statement a cavalier attitude, like he is blowing off any concern for the Ukraine because it means nothing in a geopolitical sense.

It changes the whole tone and leaves out some big detail like upholding international rule and norm which he is willing to protect.

Fun with words.

208 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Sep 13, 2014 10:30:06am

re: #207 ObserverArt

There is a difference in emphasis, but I see no misquote.

209 ObserverArt  Sep 13, 2014 10:31:51am

re: #208 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

There is a difference in emphasis, but I see no misquote.

And that IS the problem with sloppy paraphrasing. It is how the message gets twisted to paint the president in a light that is not there. It is sloppy and inaccurate.

210 wrenchwench  Sep 13, 2014 10:33:00am

re: #206 Bubblehead II

Beware the BEE’S! BATS!

Rabid bat attacks, bites Oregon man jamming on guitar

Yikes. I think he’s lucky it came back so it got tested, or he might not have known it was rabid until it was too late.

211 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Sep 13, 2014 10:34:35am

re: #209 ObserverArt

And that IS the problem with sloppy paraphrasing. It is how the message gets twisted to paint the president in a light that is not there. It is sloppy and inaccurate.

Agreed. And if that was the only point, I’d have no objection.

212 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Sep 13, 2014 10:40:58am

Youtube Video

213 teleskiguy  Sep 13, 2014 10:41:58am

re: #204 Alyosha

Can’t imbed here since I lack ze Twitters but my brother @aydennedya tweeted:

Sarah brought a Bristol to Palin fight. #PalinBrawl

You don’t need a Twitter account to embed tweets in a LGF comment. Just copy and paste the tweet URL (the time stamp on any tweet) to its own line in a comment and voila!

EDIT: I don’t think this will work if the Twitter account is private.

214 WhatEVs  Sep 13, 2014 10:42:02am

re: #199 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

Gus, I re-read it 3 times, but aside from the “great”/”direct” difference I didn’t get what is wrong with NYT’s quote. Can you elaborate?

It looks about 180 degrees in meaning to me.

215 Charles Johnson  Sep 13, 2014 10:44:42am
217 Bubblehead II  Sep 13, 2014 10:45:22am

re: #210 wrenchwench

Yikes. I think he’s lucky it came back so it got tested, or he might not have known it was rabid until it was too late.

I believe the default in cases were an individual is bitten by a wild animal that wasn’t captured/killed is to assume that it was rabid and the rabies treatment started.

Guide for post-exposure prophylaxis

218 teleskiguy  Sep 13, 2014 10:46:02am

re: #215 Charles Johnson

You haven’t posted a ‘We Got Mail’ post in a while.

219 Alyosha  Sep 13, 2014 10:46:33am

re: #213 teleskiguy

You don’t need a Twitter account to embed tweets in a LGF comment. Just copy and paste the tweet URL (the time stamp on any tweet) to its own line Ina comment and voila!

Thanks for the info, I’m terribly tech illiterate. He sent me the tweet as a picture message and I couldn’t format it properly. In the end I decided I’d write it as ‘dictated but not read’… kinda? It’s late.

220 sagehen  Sep 13, 2014 10:48:07am

re: #203 De Kolta Chair

Just noticed this funny Yahoo News headline from yesterday:

Grownup Congressman Mark Sanford Announces Breakup on Facebook

That’s so sad… I was really hoping those two crazy kids could make a go of it…

221 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Sep 13, 2014 10:49:10am

re: #214 WhatEVs

It looks about 180 degrees in meaning to me.

The quoted parts are seemingly correct (maybe with the exception of great/direct). The emphasis is indeed different:

Obama: even despite a small geopolitical threat and trade insignificance we’ll support Ukraine.
NYT: we’ll support Ukraine; albeit I should add that the trade is insignificant and the geopolitical threat is small.

So there’s that. Still, my question was about the quotes themselves.

222 Decatur Deb  Sep 13, 2014 10:51:52am

re: #218 teleskiguy

You haven’t posted a ‘We Got Mail’ post in a while.

We feed on RW rage. It’s so…energetic.

223 teleskiguy  Sep 13, 2014 10:53:25am

re: #222 Decatur Deb

We feed on RW rage. It’s so…energetic.

And the RW feeds on rage itself. Sad commentary on the state of affairs.

224 Decatur Deb  Sep 13, 2014 10:54:31am

re: #223 teleskiguy

And the RW feeds on rage itself. Sad commentary on the state of affairs.

They’re so skeksi.

225 Alyosha  Sep 13, 2014 10:55:25am

re: #223 teleskiguy

And the RW feeds on rage itself. Sad commentary on the state of affairs.

If rage is photosynthetic then we got ourselves a food chain.

226 wrenchwench  Sep 13, 2014 10:57:27am

re: #225 Alyosha

If rage is photosynthetic then we got ourselves a food chain.

Unrelated except by coincidence, a poetic tweet:

227 Alyosha  Sep 13, 2014 10:59:26am

re: #226 wrenchwench

Unrelated except by coincidence, a poetic tweet:

[Embedded content]

If you’re from ABQ I guess you appreciate your trees lol

228 ObserverArt  Sep 13, 2014 10:59:29am

re: #221 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

The quoted parts are seemingly correct (maybe with the exception of great/direct). The emphasis is indeed different:

Obama: even despite a small geopolitical threat and trade insignificance we’ll support Ukraine.
NYT: we’ll support Ukraine; albeit I should add that the trade is insignificant and the geopolitical threat is small.

So there’s that. Still, my question was about the quotes themselves.

Sergey, the problem is a fraction of a quote is no longer a quote especially if the hacked down version doesn’t allow the reader to get a feel for the full message in the full quote.

So, the problem is the quote themselves.

And that is our problem. As mentioned above, there are ways to make it clear to the reader that they are reading cut down words.

Usually a paraphrase is used to cut down words unnecessary to the meaning of the quote. It is done for brevity. Now, it seems it is being done to change tone and character and twisting the message.

229 wrenchwench  Sep 13, 2014 11:03:50am

re: #227 Alyosha

If you’re from ABQ I guess you appreciate your trees lol

Yep. I just got back from North Carolina, and foliage there is something to battle against and conquer. Here it is something to nurture and encourage.

230 Varek Raith  Sep 13, 2014 11:10:20am

re: #229 wrenchwench

Yep. I just got back from North Carolina, and foliage there is something to battle against and conquer. Here it is something to nurture and encourage.

Should’ve told me you were in the Mid-Atlantic. I’d have given you some napalm to deal with the trees.

Damn allergies.

231 Alyosha  Sep 13, 2014 11:14:59am

re: #229 wrenchwench

Yep. I just got back from North Carolina, and foliage there is something to battle against and conquer. Here it is something to nurture and encourage.

I kinda know what you mean. I grew up in a spot there was a lot of temperate forest. Fast growing, tangled, not altogether pretty because of the relative aridity but by no means ugly either.

Now I live further south. Old growth forests. Proper trees. Endor trees haha!

Yeah, a resource not to be underestimated or mismanaged.

232 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Sep 13, 2014 11:16:18am

re: #228 ObserverArt

there are ways to make it clear to the reader that they are reading cut down words.

Yes. They are called “quotation marks”. Which have been properly used in this case. What was not proper was the placement of the properly quoted excerpts in reverse order, which changed the emphasis. The quotes themselves, however, seem to be largely correct.

As mentioned above, there are ways to make it clear to the reader that they are reading cut down words.

Any paraphrase is “cut-down words” by def. This need not be further specified - otherwise one could give the direct quote of the full speech. The article is the condensation - the “cut down words” - of the speech for the reader. What should be done is to also try and save the shades of meaning (at which task the journalist failed in this particular paragraph).

Now, it seems it is being done to change tone and character and twisting the message.

I haven’t seen evidence to suggest that the author did it deliberately. I doubt that he wanted to “twist the message”.

233 alpuz  Sep 13, 2014 11:17:25am

re: #215 Charles Johnson

Can we see it? Or is that inappropriate?

234 Jenner7  Sep 13, 2014 11:19:11am

Family Says Race To Blame For Deadly Officer-Involved Shooting Of Relative

kutv.com

235 klys  Sep 13, 2014 11:19:30am

re: #228 ObserverArt

Sergey, the problem is a fraction of a quote is no longer a quote especially if the hacked down version doesn’t allow the reader to get a feel for the full message in the full quote.

So, the problem is the quote themselves.

And that is our problem. As mentioned above, there are ways to make it clear to the reader that they are reading cut down words.

Usually a paraphrase is used to cut down words unnecessary to the meaning of the quote. It is done for brevity. Now, it seems it is being done to change tone and character and twisting the message.

Also, the framing leading up to the “quote” - and typically when swapping out a pronoun for its subject in a quote for clarity, my understanding was that it was good form to put the swapped in words in [] to indicate that this was done - leaves a very different impression than the framing of the words in President Obama’s speech.

* I should note that the [] comment was prompted by a misremembered bit so may not make the most sense in the context of the actual quote.

236 teleskiguy  Sep 13, 2014 11:22:02am

It looks like floating vinyl records.

237 klys  Sep 13, 2014 11:24:19am

re: #182 Gus

Big difference between:

Expressing confidence that the United States was on “the right side of history” in this battle, Mr. Obama said the nation would also resist Russia’s incursions in Ukraine, even though he noted that the United States has very little trade with Ukraine and “geopolitically, what happens in Ukraine doesn’t pose a great threat to us.”

and:

And if it were not for us, I think it’s fair to say that the situation would be much worse. But it’s something that we are going to have to not just pay attention to but continue to organize, not so much because Ukraine itself is a vital national security threat to us — we do very little trade with Ukraine and, geopolitically, it doesn’t — what happens in Ukraine doesn’t pose a direct threat to us — but because we are expected to uphold basic international rules and norms. And those rules and norms are what not only allows us to prosper but has allowed an unprecedented number of people to rise out of poverty, and wealth to spread to vast corners of the world, and the Internet to connect the world together.

Borrowed Gus’s wonderful compilation of the relevant parts and changed the highlighting to show the actual words as they matched up.

By the same logic, I could say that President Obama said that “those rules and norms allowed people to spread the Internet.”

238 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Sep 13, 2014 11:29:19am

re: #237 klys

Borrowed Gus’s wonderful compilation of the relevant parts and changed the highlighting to show the actual words as they matched up.

By the same logic, I could say that President Obama said that “those rules and norms allowed people to spread the Internet.”

Not sure what you mean. Apart from the “direct”/”great” difference (I make no assumption as to which one is correct) and omitting the verbal slip “it doesn’t” (which I’ve seen done numerous times, so it’s apparently allowed in journalism), the author quoted exactly what Obama said.

239 klys  Sep 13, 2014 11:33:19am

re: #238 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

Not sure what you mean. Apart from the “direct”/”great” difference (I make no assumption as to which one is correct) and omitting the verbal slip “it doesn’t” (which I’ve seen done numerous times, so it’s apparently allowed in journalism), the author quoted exactly what Obama said.

So did I with my quote there.

I don’t think “it doesn’t” was a verbal slip.

Good practice in quoting is that if you do omit things, you should at least indicate that with […] where you are eliminating words. Also, direct has a very different meaning than great.

If you have to add all the caveats before you can say that the author quoted exactly what Obama said, I would posit that …he didn’t.

240 GlutenFreeJesus  Sep 13, 2014 11:35:34am

Baby bear dances with golf flag pole. :)

Youtube Video

241 Alyosha  Sep 13, 2014 11:42:20am

Almost five. Gotta sleep. Out. (Drops mic, fumbles mid-air, kicks under fridge)

242 lawhawk  Sep 13, 2014 11:44:22am
243 Bubblehead II  Sep 13, 2014 11:45:07am
244 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Sep 13, 2014 11:46:46am

re: #239 klys

So did I with my quote there.

No, you didn’t. Obama didn’t say anything close to your quote.

I don’t think “it doesn’t” was a verbal slip.

Yet it clearly was.

Good practice in quoting is that if you do omit things, you should at least indicate that with […] where you are eliminating words.

True, it’s a good practice, which is, however, not always followed when dealing with grammar mistakes and slips of tongue, unless they change the meaning of what was said. In this instance omitting the verbal slip doesn’t change the meaning.

Also, direct has a very different meaning than great.

Sure. Of course, we don’t know exactly which version is correct at this moment.

If you have to add all the caveats before you can say that the author quoted exactly what Obama said, I would posit that …he didn’t.

Aside from the one-word difference (for the simple reason that we don’t know which word should be there), he did. And if it turns out that the author misheard the word, it would only indicate a mundane mistake, not some sort of conspiratorial twisting of words.

245 William Barnett-Lewis  Sep 13, 2014 11:51:17am

re: #137 ObserverArt

And that little message of “more interest in the Premier league than I do in the NFL” should be send major tremors to NFL headquarters.

Yeah it should. Your reply prompted me to put it more explicitly. I paged the email I sent to the main Football writer at Sports Illustrated and CC’d to an email I found to Rodger Goodell. It won’t change anything but I feel better than I did.

littlegreenfootballs.com

Pity the Gunner’s let it slip to a 2-2 tie… :)

246 wrenchwench  Sep 13, 2014 11:58:21am

re: #228 ObserverArt

Hey, a couple of days ago you commented that the two ‘new’ witnesses in Ferguson were white, and I disagreed, but you were right and I was wrong, according to this video. (Way at the end.)

247 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Sep 13, 2014 12:04:41pm

Here is how it should have looked like to be classified as accurate:

Expressing confidence that the United States was on “the right side of history” in this battle, Mr. Obama said that despite the fact, that the United States has very little trade with Ukraine and “geopolitically, what happens in Ukraine doesn’t pose a great[?] threat to us”, the nation would resist Russia’s incursions in Ukraine.

248 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Sep 13, 2014 12:05:46pm

re: #244 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

I don’t think “it doesn’t” was a verbal slip.

Yet it clearly was.

I wouldn’t go so far as “verbal slip”. I think what happened was that Obama realized as soon as he had said it that it wasn’t clear what the “it” referred to, so he immediately recast the clause with “what happens in Ukraine” as the subject.

249 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Sep 13, 2014 12:06:28pm

re: #248 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi

I wouldn’t go so far as “verbal slip”. I think what happened was that Obama realized as soon as he had said it that it wasn’t clear what the “it” referred to, so he immediately recast the clause with “what happens in Ukraine” as the subject.

That’s what I called a verbal slip.

250 ObserverArt  Sep 13, 2014 12:07:10pm

re: #244 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

…”some sort of conspiratorial twisting of words.”

That (bold) is a big word there Sergey. I hope I never implied it was some kind of conspiracy.

251 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Sep 13, 2014 12:11:38pm

re: #250 ObserverArt

Your paragraph implied some sort of malevolent deliberateness on the part of the journalist to me. I don’t know if you meant that.

252 ObserverArt  Sep 13, 2014 12:15:50pm

re: #246 wrenchwench

Hey, a couple of days ago you commented that the two ‘new’ witnesses in Ferguson were white, and I disagreed, but you were right and I was wrong, according to this video. (Way at the end.)

Thanks for bringing that up wrench!

Whew, I thought the dudes looked white in the video that I had seen. They never came out and said it in any of the stories I found. They mentioned Mike Brown in a way that made me think they were since they were quoting the witnesses saw the young African-American shot by the policeman. That seemed to be comparative.

Since we are talking about reporting, I think it would have been pertinent to the Ferguson shooting to have made it clear right off. It adds a whole different perspective to them as witnesses in this affair.

253 De Kolta Chair  Sep 13, 2014 12:19:07pm

re: #236 teleskiguy

It looks like floating vinyl records.

Indeed it does.

254 wrenchwench  Sep 13, 2014 12:20:31pm

re: #252 ObserverArt

Thanks for bringing that up wrench!

Whew, I thought the dudes looked white in the video that I had seen. They never came out and said it in any of the stories I found. They mentioned Mike Brown in a way that made me think they were since they were quoting the witnesses saw the young African-American shot by the policeman. That seemed to be comparative.

Since we are talking about reporting, I think it would have been pertinent to the Ferguson shooting to have made it clear right off. It adds a whole different perspective to them as witnesses in this affair.

I get the feeling that some saw these witnesses as a ‘game changer’ because they are the first white witnesses and therefore the first that could be believed. That is intimated in the video I linked, which I got from this tweet:

So they don’t want to bring up the whiteness of the witnesses since it would show that they judge trustworthiness on a color scale.

255 ObserverArt  Sep 13, 2014 12:23:40pm

re: #251 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

Your paragraph implied some sort of malevolent deliberateness on the part of the journalist to me. I don’t know if you meant that.

I have no way to judge intent which would clarify if it was deliberate. It could have been sloppy accident. I still think it was bad writing style and could have been clearer and it added a tonal change.

Beyond that, we are beginning the horse beating process. You see it differently from some of us.

256 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Sep 13, 2014 12:26:40pm

re: #254 wrenchwench

What is trustworthy for me is the video itself, the value of which doesn’t change with the color of skin. But I can’t blame those people who call the witnesses “game-changers” because they’re white - they may just be realistic about the American juries…

257 wrenchwench  Sep 13, 2014 12:31:38pm

re: #256 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

What is trustworthy for me is the video itself, the value of which doesn’t change with the color of skin. But I can’t blame those people who call the witnesses “game-changers” because they’re white - they may just be realistic about the American juries…

AGAIN WITH THE CHARITABLE INTERPRETATION. [/]

I don’t have the time or interest at the moment to properly research and condemn anyone, so I’ll not object more than the sarc above.

258 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Sep 13, 2014 12:32:05pm

re: #255 ObserverArt

Beyond that, we are beginning the horse beating process. You see it differently from some of us.

Actually I agreed that that part of the speech was improperly condensed and gives off a different vibe from the original. I only object to the claim that the quoted part was made up.

259 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Sep 13, 2014 12:35:14pm

re: #257 wrenchwench

Shouldn’t a charitable interpretation be the default one (as long as it doesn’t contradict other evidence)? ;)

260 wrenchwench  Sep 13, 2014 12:38:20pm

re: #259 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

Shouldn’t a charitable interpretation be the default one (as long as it doesn’t contradict other evidence)? ;)

I suppose. **grumble**

You’re just nicer than I am. I’ll work on it.

261 klys  Sep 13, 2014 12:39:16pm

re: #244 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

True, it’s a good practice, which is, however, not always followed when dealing with grammar mistakes and slips of tongue, unless they change the meaning of what was said. In this instance omitting the verbal slip doesn’t change the meaning.

In your opinion, omitting the “verbal slip” doesn’t change the meaning.

In other people’s opinion, it does.

Good practice would have been to either include it or indicate that it was excluded. You disagree, apparently.

I’ll agree with Observer. We’re beating a dead horse.

262 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Sep 13, 2014 12:42:22pm

re: #261 klys

In your opinion, omitting the “verbal slip” doesn’t change the meaning.

In other people’s opinion, it does.

Unless those other people can actually substantiate their strange opinion, which seems to contradict the plain reading of the text, it will remain just that - an unsubstantiated opinion.


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