Amazing Scenes From a St. Louis County Council Meeting

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1 Kragar  Sep 16, 2014 6:02:05pm

Obviously all gangsters and thugs. Probably all card carrying members of the Black Panthers as well.
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2 Eventual Carrion  Sep 16, 2014 6:02:28pm

Looks like some council members got an earful. Good. Wonder if it drained right out the other side?

3 Jenner7  Sep 16, 2014 6:05:26pm
4 b.d.  Sep 16, 2014 6:05:46pm

Of course when Teabaggers get animated at Town Hall Meetings it is because they are true patriots and care about their country, I can’t wait for them to tell me what those attendees are.

5 klys  Sep 16, 2014 6:06:03pm

A reminder to Lizards whose computers might dislike Vines, if you click on them, they will stop looping.

6 Kragar  Sep 16, 2014 6:06:07pm
7 Kid A  Sep 16, 2014 6:07:30pm

re: #4 b.d.

Of course when Teabaggers get animated at Town Hall Meetings it is because they are true patriots and care about their country, I can’t wait for them to tell me what those attendees are.

8 calochortus  Sep 16, 2014 6:10:22pm

re: #5 klys

A reminder to Lizards whose computers might dislike Vines, if you click on them, they will stop looping.

Thank you. I was unaware of that.

9 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 16, 2014 6:10:57pm

Nice to see some Vines now where we can see some young white people standing up instead of all the older ones who are sitting down and looking very pained.

10 becominginvisible  Sep 16, 2014 6:13:25pm

re: #9 Backwoods_Sleuth

One of the early ones was a fairly small elderly white woman who had absolutely nothing nice to say to the council.

11 Charles Johnson  Sep 16, 2014 6:13:44pm
12 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 16, 2014 6:14:13pm

re: #10 becominginvisible

One of the early ones was a fairly small elderly white woman who had absolutely nothing nice to say to the council.

Good to hear that! I’ll have to look for it.

13 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Sep 16, 2014 6:15:33pm

They cannot be True Patriots. Not a single one of them is exercising their Second Amendment rights in Public!

14 becominginvisible  Sep 16, 2014 6:17:28pm

This was my representative

15 Bubblehead II  Sep 16, 2014 6:19:16pm
16 Rightwingconspirator  Sep 16, 2014 6:22:00pm
17 klys  Sep 16, 2014 6:23:37pm

re: #16 Rightwingconspirator

You deserve updings not just for that but also for this (for Lizards not on Twitter):

18 Rightwingconspirator  Sep 16, 2014 6:25:10pm

re: #17 klys

You deserve updings not just for that but also for this (for Lizards not on Twitter):

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Oh thanks for that. It was so strange coming home tonight.

19 becominginvisible  Sep 16, 2014 6:25:50pm

This vine shows the paler parts of the audience, most applauding Antonio French.

20 klys  Sep 16, 2014 6:26:10pm

re: #18 Rightwingconspirator

Oh thanks for that. It was so strange coming home tonight.

The hole never quite gets filled. Just …different.

They are no less family for being fuzzy.

21 BeachDem  Sep 16, 2014 6:26:36pm

re: #17 klys

I want to thank you once again for pointing out, way back in the early days of Ferguson, how to stop the Vines. My computer would have blown up by now without that bit of info.

22 Dr. Matt  Sep 16, 2014 6:26:41pm

Not The Onion

Source: Joan Rivers’ doctor took selfie, began biopsy before her cardiac arrest

The cardiac arrest leading to Joan Rivers’ death happened as the comedian’s personal doctor began performing a biopsy on her vocal cords, a source close to the death investigation told CNN.

A staff member at Manhattan’s Yorkville Endoscopy clinic told investigators that the doctor, who has not been publicly identified, took a selfie photo in the procedure room while Rivers was under anesthesia, the source said.

wfla.com

23 Jenner7  Sep 16, 2014 6:28:25pm
24 klys  Sep 16, 2014 6:29:26pm

re: #21 BeachDem

I want to thank you once again for pointing out, way back in the early days of Ferguson, how to stop the Vines. My computer would have blown up by now without that bit of info.

It is a bit of UI design that only makes sense for touchscreens and then barely not really.

25 WhatEVs  Sep 16, 2014 6:30:43pm

re: #18 Rightwingconspirator

Oh thanks for that. It was so strange coming home tonight.

I’m so sorry for your loss.

26 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 16, 2014 6:31:45pm

re: #18 Rightwingconspirator

Oh thanks for that. It was so strange coming home tonight.

{{very big hugs tonight}}

27 klys  Sep 16, 2014 6:32:37pm

Neil Patrick Harris and the spaghetti scene from Lady and the Tramp. Top left corner.

Youtube Video

28 Stanley Sea  Sep 16, 2014 6:33:32pm

So sorry RWC & D_L. Hang tight.

29 b_sharp  Sep 16, 2014 6:33:40pm

re: #18 Rightwingconspirator

Oh thanks for that. It was so strange coming home tonight.

The wife sends her condolences too.

30 The Ghost of a Flea  Sep 16, 2014 6:34:08pm

re: #18 Rightwingconspirator

Oh thanks for that. It was so strange coming home tonight.

I picked up the dog from the vet a few hours ago. Spent the whole day a little tight in the chest; he’s a little old, had cancer a few years back….

So when I say, “I’m very sorry to hear that, and for your loss” I’m deadly serious.

Never gets any easier to lose them. Nor any less rewarding to have them.

31 Pie-onist Overlord  Sep 16, 2014 6:34:41pm
32 b_sharp  Sep 16, 2014 6:35:11pm

re: #30 The Ghost of a Flea

I picked up the dog from the vet a few hours ago. Spent the whole day a little tight in the chest; he’s a little old, had cancer a few years back….

So when I say, “I’m very sorry to hear that, and for your loss” I’m deadly serious.

Never gets any easier to lose them. Nor any less rewarding to have them.

Well said.

33 Charles Johnson  Sep 16, 2014 6:35:29pm
34 teleskiguy  Sep 16, 2014 6:37:04pm
35 Eventual Carrion  Sep 16, 2014 6:38:24pm

re: #31 Pie-onist Overlord

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They better keep an eye on him.

// Monitor lizard, get it? Oh nevermind

36 klys  Sep 16, 2014 6:38:30pm

re: #34 teleskiguy

Here’s the photographer.

Striking for further research.

Appears that is the correct link.

37 Lidane  Sep 16, 2014 6:41:18pm

That sound you hear is National Review becoming “concerned” about race relations in America.

38 ausador  Sep 16, 2014 6:42:10pm

Fine, they always want to only count Afghanistan…but to say Obama has lost more troops than the 3 previous Presidents is total bullshit.

39 Kragar  Sep 16, 2014 6:43:27pm

re: #33 Charles Johnson

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1 Million people is STL county. They polled 604 people.

40 Kid A  Sep 16, 2014 6:44:17pm

re: #38 ausador

41 Rightwingconspirator  Sep 16, 2014 6:45:16pm

Thanks for all the kind words and sentiments. Really appreciate how kind this place really is. Our other 2 cats get extra hugs. And treats. And…

42 A Mom Anon  Sep 16, 2014 6:46:56pm

re: #41 Rightwingconspirator

I’m happy Peanut found you. And I’m sorry for your loss. (((hugs)))

43 Rightwingconspirator  Sep 16, 2014 6:47:14pm

Is there a good hashtag on Ferguson? #ListentoFerguson maybe?

44 psddluva4evah  Sep 16, 2014 6:48:02pm
45 Kid A  Sep 16, 2014 6:48:43pm

re: #43 Rightwingconspirator

Is there a good hashtag on Ferguson? #ListentoFerguson maybe?

#Ferguson has been the most popular I believe.

46 klys  Sep 16, 2014 6:48:56pm

re: #44 psddluva4evah

Glad to see you around again. :)

47 ausador  Sep 16, 2014 6:50:13pm

re: #43 Rightwingconspirator

Is there a good hashtag on Ferguson? #ListentoFerguson maybe?

Most everything has been going to #Ferguson or #MikeBrown

48 prairiefire  Sep 16, 2014 6:50:54pm

re: #41 Rightwingconspirator

{{{{{rwc & d_l}}}}}

49 teleskiguy  Sep 16, 2014 6:51:48pm

Hey Charles, this tweet appears twice in the post.

50 Charles Johnson  Sep 16, 2014 6:51:57pm

“Remington Research Group” is a HIGHLY questionable polling firm.

51 Stanley Sea  Sep 16, 2014 6:52:18pm

re: #44 psddluva4evah

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Planning ahead?

52 Rightwingconspirator  Sep 16, 2014 6:52:22pm

re: #47 ausador

re: #45 Kid A

#Ferguson has been the most popular I believe.

I hate to retweet myself, would you add the hashtags and do that?

53 Charles Johnson  Sep 16, 2014 6:55:23pm

Here’s the Remington Research Group website. Notice that there’s absolutely no information on who they are or who they’re connected to.

And their polls are done with automated telephone surveys.

This poll is pure crap, not to put too fine a point on it.

54 Charles Johnson  Sep 16, 2014 6:55:55pm

“Remington.” Are they connected to the gun manufacturer?

56 psddluva4evah  Sep 16, 2014 6:57:41pm

re: #46 klys

sup. I’m a evening worker, so some days I’m just lurking away, but I’m always reading the blog comments though.

re: #51 Stanley Sea

Planning ahead?

Is it too cynicial of me that what you said was my first thought too

57 teleskiguy  Sep 16, 2014 6:58:27pm
58 klys  Sep 16, 2014 6:58:48pm

re: #56 psddluva4evah

Just missed your contributions, is all. Glad to know you’re still lurking around. :)

59 Kid A  Sep 16, 2014 7:00:15pm

re: #52 Rightwingconspirator

I hate to retweet myself, would you add the hashtags and do that?

60 Stanley Sea  Sep 16, 2014 7:00:32pm

re: #56 psddluva4evah

sup. I’m a evening worker, so some days I’m just lurking away, but I’m always reading the blog comments though.

Is it too cynicial of me that what you said was my first thought too

There is nothing but cynicism when thinking about the possible outcome of this case. Tic tock tic tock.

61 b_sharp  Sep 16, 2014 7:00:38pm

re: #55 Charles Johnson

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Actually at the 95% level of confidence that sample size has a margin of error of +/- 3.58%

62 Kragar  Sep 16, 2014 7:01:01pm

re: #55 Charles Johnson

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What was the breakdown by party affiliation? Education level? Annual Income?

All missing. They ran a racist poll and got racist results. Go figure

63 Charles Johnson  Sep 16, 2014 7:01:09pm

Jeff Roe

Jeff Roe is most known for his controversial campaign techniques and has earned a reputation as a “sharp-elbowed” political operative.

[…]

Campaigns under Roe’s management have been the subject of criticism from both the Democratic and Republican parties because of negative campaign strategies - much of it from his defeated opponents and former disgruntled clients who have described him as “evil”.

64 Eventual Carrion  Sep 16, 2014 7:01:31pm

Spacey

65 GlutenFreeJesus  Sep 16, 2014 7:01:57pm

Wilson will get off. And shit’s going to happen I’m afraid. You can only oppress a population for so long, and deny them justice over and over again until it becomes too much. :(

66 Kid A  Sep 16, 2014 7:03:51pm

Hannity just said that the Obama presidency is the most inept in history. Sorry pal, that belongs to his predecessor.

67 teleskiguy  Sep 16, 2014 7:04:22pm
68 Lidane  Sep 16, 2014 7:05:12pm

re: #66 Kid A

Hannity just said that the Obama presidency is the most inept in history. Sorry pal, that belongs to his predecessor.

James Buchanan just called. He wanted you to know that his title of Biggest Presidential Failure is firmly in hand.

69 teleskiguy  Sep 16, 2014 7:05:13pm

re: #66 Kid A

Hannity just said that the Obama presidency is the most inept in history. Sorry pal, that belongs to his predecessor.

I would argue that James Buchanan gets this honor. G.W. in second place.

70 teleskiguy  Sep 16, 2014 7:05:35pm

re: #68 Lidane

1 second apart!!!

71 Dark_Falcon  Sep 16, 2014 7:06:49pm

“If Darren Wilson get off y’all better bring every army y’all got. Cause it’s going down.”

That was not a smart thing to say. However true it is, the person saying it is going to come across to many other people as having issued a threat. Moreover, it is issuing a prejudgement of the legal process, concluding a man to be guilty before he is found to be so and saying their will be violence if the law does not conclude as the speaker has.

Those words are seriously bad in my eyes.

Note: Post edited as Antonio French did not say the quoted phrase.

72 klys  Sep 16, 2014 7:07:35pm

re: #71 Dark_Falcon

“If Darren Wilson get off y’all better bring every army y’all got. Cause it’s going down.”

That was not a smart thing to say. However true it is, the person saying it is going to come across to many other people as having issued a threat. Moreover, it is issuing a prejudgement of the legal process, concluding a man to be guilty before he is found to be so and saying their will be violence if the law does not conclude as the speaker has.

Those words from Antonio French are seriously bad in my eyes.

…You understand how quotation marks work, right?

73 dog philosopher  Sep 16, 2014 7:07:46pm

freepers are convinced that an independent scotland means a socialist scotland

because salmond, for some reason…

74 Kid A  Sep 16, 2014 7:08:12pm

And Rubio just called Obama “an isolationist.” LOLOLOLOLOLOL

75 Lidane  Sep 16, 2014 7:08:15pm

re: #71 Dark_Falcon

Moreover, it is issuing a prejudgement of the legal process, concluding a man to be guilty before he is found to be so and saying their will be violence if the law does not conclude as the speaker has.

Darren Wilson emptied his gun into an unarmed man that was on his knees in surrender. The fact that he’s not in jail right now is inexcusable.

76 Romantic Heretic  Sep 16, 2014 7:08:42pm

re: #17 klys

You deserve updings not just for that but also for this (for Lizards not on Twitter):

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RWC? So sorry for your loss.

77 Lidane  Sep 16, 2014 7:08:50pm

re: #74 Kid A

And Rubio just called Obama “an isolationist.” LOLOLOLOLOLOL

On what fucking planet is Barack Obama an isolationist?

78 Kid A  Sep 16, 2014 7:09:01pm

Such an isolationist, he escalated our involvement in Afghanistan.

79 dog philosopher  Sep 16, 2014 7:09:53pm

re: #66 Kid A

Hannity just said that the Obama presidency is the most inept in history. Sorry pal, that belongs to his predecessor.

obama has the fate of playing the moderate in all situations, which gets him about as much respect as the yellow line in the middle of the road

80 CuriousLurker  Sep 16, 2014 7:10:06pm

re: #18 Rightwingconspirator

Oh thanks for that. It was so strange coming home tonight.

Oh man, so so sorry! {{{RWC & DL}}}

81 teleskiguy  Sep 16, 2014 7:10:58pm

re: #78 Kid A

Such an isolationist, he escalated our involvement in Afghanistan.

These fuckers have no bearing on reality. Even the Fox News graphics department is openly contemptuous of their viewers intelligence.

82 klys  Sep 16, 2014 7:11:15pm

/will upding RWC at least once for every upding my post of his tweet got, since he’s the one who deserves them, not me.

83 Kragar  Sep 16, 2014 7:11:46pm
84 Dark_Falcon  Sep 16, 2014 7:12:16pm

re: #54 Charles Johnson

“Remington.” Are they connected to the gun manufacturer?

No sir. The gun manufacturer named Remington “is part of the Freedom Group, which is owned by Cerberus Capital Management.” The research firm of the same name is not own by Cerberus.

85 Stanley Sea  Sep 16, 2014 7:12:32pm

re: #65 GlutenFreeJesus

Wilson will get off. And shit’s going to happen I’m afraid. You can only oppress a population for so long, and deny them justice over and over again until it becomes too much. :(

I’m gonna go all in. The lady from CA that said it was like the 50’s? It’s because it is. Modernized law & order kept it hidden. America became very excited about law & order, resulting in police run amok. Very disproportionately.

86 Kid A  Sep 16, 2014 7:13:43pm

I can’t decide who’s appearance irritates me more. Cruz or ChuckyC.

87 Dark_Falcon  Sep 16, 2014 7:13:49pm

re: #72 klys

…You understand how quotation marks work, right?

I though that was what French said. Am I wrong? If so I’ll alter my post.

88 teleskiguy  Sep 16, 2014 7:14:17pm
89 psddluva4evah  Sep 16, 2014 7:14:40pm

re: #87 Dark_Falcon

French did not say it. he was quoting a speaker at the council meeting.

90 klys  Sep 16, 2014 7:15:04pm

re: #87 Dark_Falcon

I though that was what French said. Am I wrong? If so I’ll alter my post.

He was quoting another speaker at the meeting that happened tonight, which is why the quote is in quotation marks. No name is attributed probably because of a) twitter character limits and b) the fact that he was transcribing during the meeting.

91 Stanley Sea  Sep 16, 2014 7:15:10pm

re: #71 Dark_Falcon

“If Darren Wilson get off y’all better bring every army y’all got. Cause it’s going down.”

That was not a smart thing to say. However true it is, the person saying it is going to come across to many other people as having issued a threat. Moreover, it is issuing a prejudgement of the legal process, concluding a man to be guilty before he is found to be so and saying their will be violence if the law does not conclude as the speaker has.

Those words from Antonio French are seriously bad in my eyes.

…………………deleted

92 Dark_Falcon  Sep 16, 2014 7:17:00pm

re: #90 klys

He was quoting another speaker at the meeting that happened tonight, which is why the quote is in quotation marks. No name is attributed probably because of a) twitter character limits and b) the fact that he was transcribing during the meeting.

re: #89 psddluva4evah

French did not say it. he was quoting a speaker at the council meeting.

OK, thanks. Post edited.

93 Lidane  Sep 16, 2014 7:18:42pm

Heh.

94 Charles Johnson  Sep 16, 2014 7:20:14pm
95 calochortus  Sep 16, 2014 7:20:42pm

re: #93 Lidane

Heh.

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I saw that. My surprise, etc….

96 Dark_Falcon  Sep 16, 2014 7:21:00pm

Here’s a link to Remington Research Group’s PDF of their poll results. I’m skeptical of them, but I think it best to post their data so it can be evaluated by all present here.

97 Stanley Sea  Sep 16, 2014 7:21:36pm

re: #92 Dark_Falcon

OK, thanks. Post edited.

But still, your thought about waiting for justice…………I’m hearing January. Not feeling that good ole charge the perp speed we see with almost every other case we read about that doesn’t involve a cop.

Charge em, then let justice begin its course.

98 Charles Johnson  Sep 16, 2014 7:22:12pm

Jeff Roe

Campaigns under Roe’s management have been the subject of criticism from both the Democratic and Republican parties because of negative campaign strategies - much of it from his defeated opponents and former disgruntled clients who have described him as “evil”.[21]

In 2008, in Missouri’s 6th Congressional race between incumbent Sam Graves and challenger Kay Barnes, Roe was the architect for an early negative campaign that led Roll Call to say, “blood is already dribbled along the campaign trail.” [22] Some political ads produced by the Graves campaign were considered “about as sleazy and low as they come.” [23] Graves handily defeated Barnes 59 percent to 37 percent.[24]

Describing his campaign strategies, Steve Kraske and Mike Rice said: “What makes Roe different is just how far he goes. Not unlike President Bush’s strategist, Karl Rove, Roe’s approach has been compared to blunt-force trauma. His tactics range from the Penthouse spot to diving through the trash of a political foe.” [25] In contrast to his harsher critics, Kansas City Star columnist Bill Graham argued, “Jeff Roe is simply doing what candidates pay him to do and what voters have endorsed repeatedly at the polls.” Journalist Barbara Shelly stated that Roe was the “consultant of choice for Republican candidates in Missouri who want to win at all costs.”

99 Charles Johnson  Sep 16, 2014 7:23:04pm

“About as sleazy and low as they come.”

Yeah, that’s exactly what you want to hear about a pollster.

100 becominginvisible  Sep 16, 2014 7:25:06pm

re: #39 Kragar

The part I’m skeptical about isn’t St. Louis County it’s where the 604 people are from. Are they all people who still have/can afford a land line? Do they all work in a posh high rise office building in downtown St. Louis? Do they all work for McCullach supporters at Posinelli Law Firm?

101 Kragar  Sep 16, 2014 7:25:47pm

re: #100 becominginvisible

The part I’m skeptical about isn’t St. Louis County it’s where the 604 people are from. Are they all people who still have/can afford a land line? Do they all work in a posh high rise office building in downtown St. Louis? Do they all work for McCullach supporters at Posinelli Law Firm?

See my #62

102 Dark_Falcon  Sep 16, 2014 7:25:57pm

re: #97 Stanley Sea

But still, your thought about waiting for justice…………I’m hearing January. Not feeling that good ole charge the perp speed we see with almost every other case we read about that doesn’t involve a cop.

Charge em, then let justice begin its course.

The problem as I understand it is that St. Louis County has what’s called a ‘90 Day Law’ (it may be for the whole of Missouri, but I don’t know if that is the case). What it basically means is that if Darin Wilson is indicted, the prosecution has 90 days to bring him to trial. That time period can be extended if the defense requests it to be lengthened, but the prosecution cannot make such a request. Thus it behooves the county prosecutor to make sure he is at least mostly ready for trial before asking the grand jury to vote on an indictment.

103 I Stand With Big Sodomy!  Sep 16, 2014 7:25:59pm

re: #71 Dark_Falcon

Antonio was just quoting someone else.

never mind Dark just saw your edit sorry!!!

104 The Ghost of a Flea  Sep 16, 2014 7:26:40pm

Yeah, let’s re-examine the sliding scale that’s about to be replayed.

Armed white people actually threatening law enforcement and talking about violent revolution? Training guns on BLM guys?

If not a hero of Freedomness (TM), at least worth the benefit of the doubt. When one guy escalates to horrific violence, he’s immediately set out as the exception.

Unarmed black crowd? A protest occurs and there’s a robbery nearby? Obviously all of them are rioters. If they make threats, they’re thugs with no credibility. Let’s cheer their arrest.

It’s the horseshit the British used to trot out: we’d listen if you were “civilized”—a moving goalpost on a pitch with a biased umpire.

105 I Stand With Big Sodomy!  Sep 16, 2014 7:27:08pm

re: #81 teleskiguy

This is how absolutely gullible they know their viewers are.

106 Dark_Falcon  Sep 16, 2014 7:27:30pm

re: #101 Kragar

See my #62

Yeah. The data on who was polled is a lot less than you’d see with a Gallup or Rasmussen poll.

107 ausador  Sep 16, 2014 7:28:18pm

re: #52 Rightwingconspirator

I hate to retweet myself, would you add the hashtags and do that?

108 klys  Sep 16, 2014 7:28:35pm

re: #102 Dark_Falcon

The problem as I understand it is that St. Louis County has what’s called a ‘90 Day Law’ (it may be for the whole of Missouri, but I don’t know if that is the case). What it basically means is that if Darin Wilson is indicted, the prosecution has 90 days to bring him to trial. That time period can be extended if the defense requests it to be lengthened, but the prosecution cannot make such a request. Thus it behooves the county prosecutor to make sure he is at least mostly ready for trial before asking the grand jury to vote on an indictment.

The problem here (and this may be a systemic problem) is that if the positions had been reversed, I think you would admit that it’s very unlikely that Michael Brown wouldn’t have been charged by this point.

109 Charles Johnson  Sep 16, 2014 7:29:18pm

This guy Jeff Roe is associated with the very worst scumbags in the Republican Party - Rick Perry, Jeff Mourdock, etc.

110 Kragar  Sep 16, 2014 7:30:46pm

re: #106 Dark_Falcon

Yeah. The data on who was polled is a lot less than you’d see with a Gallup or Rasmussen poll.

An order of magnitude less, with no information as other ways the data breaks down.

They might as well say, “We polled the people at a Young College Republicans Tea Party conference, but we’re only mentioning race. Here are the results!”

111 Lidane  Sep 16, 2014 7:32:19pm

re: #96 Dark_Falcon

I’m calling bullshit on these people because there is no information about who they are, where their funding comes from, or anything.

112 teleskiguy  Sep 16, 2014 7:32:32pm

Back then you could still get arrested for doin’ someone else’s wife.

113 Stanley Sea  Sep 16, 2014 7:33:09pm

re: #108 klys

The problem here (and this may be a systemic problem) is that if the positions had been reversed, I think you would admit that it’s very unlikely that Michael Brown wouldn’t have been charged by this point.

Mike Brown would have been in jail for almost 2 months by now. Waiting for his turn at justice.

114 Kragar  Sep 16, 2014 7:33:22pm

Whenever I’ve been polled, they ask race, sex, education level, income, etc, maybe party affiliation or religious preference based on the nature of the poll.

Where is the break down on those numbers?

115 teleskiguy  Sep 16, 2014 7:34:59pm

A glorious picture for the nerds out there.

116 Jenner7  Sep 16, 2014 7:36:28pm

Re-post, but relevant.

“Ferguson is deliberately violating both the laws and its own policies to prevent any information from being produced and made public that could be used to hold Officer Wilson to account for his actions,” Grapski wrote in the Aug. 29 post, and he repeated this in interviews with Salon.

salon.com

117 Pie-onist Overlord  Sep 16, 2014 7:36:37pm

re: #99 Charles Johnson

“About as sleazy and low as they come.”

Yeah, that’s exactly what you want to hear about a pollster.

SMOTI is in love!

118 psddluva4evah  Sep 16, 2014 7:37:00pm

re: #102 Dark_Falcon

the prosecutor could have chosen to present an actual indictment charge for the jury to rule on, which as I understand it is exactly what is usually done. In this case, the prosecutor decided to just throw all the evidence at the grand jury, and let the grand jury alone decided whether or not to indict Darren Wilson the prosecutor would then “give guidance” to the jury, but it will ultimately be on the jury whether or not Wilson is charged.

The DA has admitted that it’s an “unsual” step. Ok then, why do it then? Cause this DA has proven that when it comes to police officer crime while on duty, he doesn’t want to make a decision where he prosecutes a police officer.

So all these extra days, or the bread crumb of saying the DA will give trancripts and recordings if grand jury DOESN’T indict Wilson, says to me that they are getting ready to put their contingency plan in motion.

119 teleskiguy  Sep 16, 2014 7:38:14pm

re: #99 Charles Johnson

“About as sleazy and low as they come.”

Yeah, that’s exactly what you want to hear about a pollster.

Another piece in an ocean of evidence that Jim Hoft is The Dumbest Man On The Internet™ and also racist as all fuck.

120 Belafon  Sep 16, 2014 7:38:41pm

re: #78 Kid A

Such an isolationist, he escalated our involvement in Afghanistan.

Such a socialist, the DOW sets records and the S&P broke 2000 for the first time ever.

121 Stanley Sea  Sep 16, 2014 7:40:44pm

re: #118 psddluva4evah

the prosecutor could have chosen to present an actual indictment charge for the jury to rule on, which as I understand it is exactly what is usually done. In this case, the prosecutor decided to just throw all the evidence at the grand jury, and let the grand jury alone decided whether or not to indict Darren Wilson the prosecutor would then “give guidance” to the jury, but it will ultimately be on the jury whether or not Wilson is charged.

The DA has admitted that it’s an “unsual” step. Ok then, why do it then? Cause this DA has proven that when it comes to police officer crime while on duty, he doesn’t want to make a decision where he prosecutes a police officer.

So all these extra days, or the bread crumb of saying the DA will give trancripts and recordings if grand jury DOESN’T indict Wilson, says to me that they are getting ready to put their contingency plan in motion.

Will the FBI & the justice dept step in first? They better have their shit together on this.

(Edit Bleah)

122 psddluva4evah  Sep 16, 2014 7:42:59pm

re: #121 Stanley Sea

I was wondering that, but I don’t think the FBI or DOJ can do anything to Darren Wilson outside of including him in their civil rights lawsuit. But IDK if they can do any type of criminal charge, ie. murder of something?

123 Stanley Sea  Sep 16, 2014 7:43:33pm

Segue music…..

Has anyone else been enjoying Ken Burns’ The Roosevelt’s’?

124 Jenner7  Sep 16, 2014 7:44:09pm

re: #123 Stanley Sea

Me! I’ve only watched the first one, but I’m hooked.

125 SteveMcGazi  Sep 16, 2014 7:44:45pm

re: #123 Stanley Sea

Segue music…..

Has anyone else been enjoying Ken Burns’ The Roosevelt’s’?

Is it even possible to enjoy something like that?

126 The Ghost of a Flea  Sep 16, 2014 7:45:14pm

re: #123 Stanley Sea

Segue music…..

Has anyone else been enjoying Ken Burns’ The Roosevelt’s’?

Playing catch-up right now.

Very, very good.

127 dog philosopher  Sep 16, 2014 7:47:04pm

roosevelts are overexposed

how about a special on the polks and just how did we go about taking all that land from mexico by force anyway huh?

or andy jackson and all the crazy shit he did?

128 Stanley Sea  Sep 16, 2014 7:47:07pm

re: #125 SteveMcGazi

Is it even possible to enjoy something like that?

It is fab. The old photo and film clips are worth the price of admission.

Then there’s the story!

129 Stanley Sea  Sep 16, 2014 7:48:05pm

10 more mins.

131 Dark_Falcon  Sep 16, 2014 7:48:51pm

re: #121 Stanley Sea

Will the FBI & the justice dept step in first? They had batter have their shit together on this.

No, they won’t. DoJ doesn’t get involved unless the locals can’t or won’t act. And in this case that’s not clear yet.

re: #118 psddluva4evah

the prosecutor could have chosen to present an actual indictment charge for the jury to rule on, which as I understand it is exactly what is usually done. In this case, the prosecutor decided to just throw all the evidence at the grand jury, and let the grand jury alone decided whether or not to indict Darren Wilson the prosecutor would then “give guidance” to the jury, but it will ultimately be on the jury whether or not Wilson is charged.

The DA has admitted that it’s an “unsual” step. Ok then, why do it then? Cause this DA has proven that when it comes to police officer crime while on duty, he doesn’t want to make a decision where he prosecutes a police officer.

So all these extra days, or the bread crumb of saying the DA will give trancripts and recordings if grand jury DOESN’T indict Wilson, says to me that they are getting ready to put their contingency plan in motion.

It’s almost always difficult for a prosecutor to move against a police officer. They have to work with police from the accused officer’s department on a regular basis and an indictment can poison that relationship.

Honestly, I think states need a prosecutorial version of Internal Affairs, a group of state attorneys who would be the only ones handling matters of cases against police officers. That was proposed on Slate a few weeks ago and I’ve come to see it as a wise idea.

132 calochortus  Sep 16, 2014 7:49:08pm

re: #123 Stanley Sea

Segue music…..

Has anyone else been enjoying Ken Burns’ The Roosevelt’s’?

Yep, 12 11 minutes and counting!

133 teleskiguy  Sep 16, 2014 7:49:51pm

I really want to page @ZackKopplin’s live-tweet at the Texas SBOE meeting today. I don’t know how to do that cool Twitter feed feature in a page. It can’t be that hard, I’ve found that once you learn how to do certain things on LGF (like embed a tweet) it’s always stoopidly simple.

Any help?

134 ObserverArt  Sep 16, 2014 7:52:17pm

re: #41 Rightwingconspirator

Thanks for all the kind words and sentiments. Really appreciate how kind this place really is. Our other 2 cats get extra hugs. And treats. And…

Sorry to hear about Peanut RWC.

135 psddluva4evah  Sep 16, 2014 7:52:59pm

re: #131 Dark_Falcon

It’s almost always difficult for a prosecutor to move against a police officer. They have to work with police from the accused officer’s department on a regular basis and an indictment can poison that relationship.

I understand this in simple cases, but the complication in this situation, is the history of this DA in regards to some clear police abuse cases, and the sad fact of his own backstory just makes it even more smelly that he’s seeming to deviate from his usual course of action in regards to this grand jury. The drawing it out of the process, and the whole buckshot-like presentation of the case to the grand jury rather than laser focus on the particular possible charge for indictment and such is just suspect to me.

136 EPR-radar  Sep 16, 2014 8:00:31pm

re: #135 psddluva4evah

I understand this in simple cases, but the complication in this situation, is the history of this DA in regards to some clear police abuse cases, and the sad fact of his own backstory just makes it even more smelly that he’s seeming to deviate from his usual course of action in regards to this grand jury. The drawing it out of the process, and the whole buckshot-like presentation of the case to the grand jury rather than laser focus on the particular possible charge for indictment and such is just suspect to me.

I have to agree. Nothing about this case so far suggests giving the prosecutor’s office the benefit of the doubt.

137 Jenner7  Sep 16, 2014 8:01:18pm

re: #135 psddluva4evah

And add the fact that the Ferguson and SltC PD have lied and refused to follow procedures under the law..

138 ausador  Sep 16, 2014 8:03:48pm

re: #133 teleskiguy

I really want to page @ZackKopplin’s live-tweet at the Texas SBOE meeting today. I don’t know how to do that cool Twitter feed feature in a page. It can’t be that hard, I’ve found that once you learn how to do certain things on LGF (like embed a tweet) it’s always stoopidly simple.

Any help?

If I remember correctly from the last time it was asked you need tweetdeck to make the list first, don’t remember how you post it but it was simple.

139 calochortus  Sep 16, 2014 8:03:48pm

Aaaand, The Roosevelts is starting. Good night, lizards. Hasta mañana.

140 psddluva4evah  Sep 16, 2014 8:07:06pm

Alright, time for The Golden Girls.

Goodnight!

Youtube Video

141 ObserverArt  Sep 16, 2014 8:10:22pm

Dark_Falcon,

I’d think that threat the guy was making to the Council would be seen as no worse then some of the rhetoric that spews from Tea Party types and certain Republican members of Congress at their town hall gigs.

And that is still leaving out the conservative yakking media machine and many a conservative commenter on blogs news sites etc.

If there is any issue, it might be due to him being African-American and saying it, which just feeds back into the whole problem going on in that community.

142 SteveMcGazi  Sep 16, 2014 8:10:29pm

re: #140 psddluva4evah

That was one of the best theme songs. I think the best was The Munsters, even though I preferred The Addams Family (Morticia was so much hotter than Lilith)

143 Higgs Boson's Mate  Sep 16, 2014 8:10:34pm

re: #93 Lidane

Ha ha!

144 SteveMcGazi  Sep 16, 2014 8:11:52pm

I think the Ferguson protesters are more likely hinting they will use their First Amendment remedies instead the Teabaggers who want to use Second Amendment remedies.

145 Shazam  Sep 16, 2014 8:14:28pm

re: #144 SteveMcGazi

Blackness is a weapon, so using their first amendment remedies is pretty much the same as the whites’ second amendment remedies.

146 Dark_Falcon  Sep 16, 2014 8:15:23pm

re: #141 ObserverArt

Dark_Falcon,

I’d think that threat the guy was making to the Council would be seen as no worse then some of the rhetoric that spews from Tea Party types and certain Republican members of Congress at their town hall gigs.

And that is still leaving out the conservative yakking media machine and many a conservative commenter on blogs news sites etc.

If there is any issue, it might be due to him being African-American and saying it, which just feeds back into the whole problem going on in that community.

(Bolding marks a correction of a misspelled word.)

I’ve condemned that sort of rhetoric when white people on the right have said it as well. The threat made in Ferguson could be ‘no worse’ than what some of those Oathkeepers crazies have said, but that would still be VERY bad. Threatening violence if you don’t get your way is unacceptable, no matter who does it.

147 teleskiguy  Sep 16, 2014 8:16:21pm

re: #138 ausador

If I remember correctly from the last time it was asked you need tweetdeck to make the list first, don’t remember how you post it but it was simple.

Thanks. It’s my first time using Tweetdeck, it’s a crash course, I’ll tell you that!

Is there a way to select a bunch of tweets and put them in column all at once? This one-at-a-time thing is tedious as all hell.

148 Bubblehead II  Sep 16, 2014 8:17:10pm

re: #72 klys

…You understand how quotation marks work, right?

Don’t even bother. DF is a apologist for the republican party and all they stand for. Nothing you post will change his mind and when you challenge him with facts, well he suddenly finds he needs to be somewhere else.

He is a scroll over.

149 BeachDem  Sep 16, 2014 8:17:39pm

re: #53 Charles Johnson

Here’s the Remington Research Group website. Notice that there’s absolutely no information on who they are or who they’re connected to.

And their polls are done with automated telephone surveys.

This poll is pure crap, not to put too fine a point on it.

I noticed that, and also that there was no demographic detailing or raw numbers on any of the responses, their description of their weighting is sketchy at and, unlike some of their other little reports, no mention of the #/% of cell phones called.

And the questions? VIOLENCE, RIOTING AND LOOTING!!! 11TY!

150 Shazam  Sep 16, 2014 8:18:55pm

re: #146 Dark_Falcon

“It’s going down.”

“We’re prepared to shoot at federal agents and use the wominz as human shields.”

I guess it’s the same thing, in the context of blackness.

151 Higgs Boson's Mate  Sep 16, 2014 8:19:35pm

re: #72 klys

At first I thought that DF was a parody troll. Then I realized that he’s just one of those people who would kiss the boot even as it came down on his neck.

152 Dark_Falcon  Sep 16, 2014 8:21:22pm

re: #148 Bubblehead II

I actually went back and edited that post in response to to those who showed I’d made an error. Here’s the link to the corrected comment.

Oh, and have a downding for insulting me.

153 Bubblehead II  Sep 16, 2014 8:22:20pm

re: #151 Higgs Boson’s Mate

At first I thought that DF was a parody troll. Then I realized that he’s just one of those people who would kiss the boot even as it came down on his neck.

Yep, he is a tool of the TPGOP. At least Kilgore had the decency to just fade away.

154 Dark_Falcon  Sep 16, 2014 8:26:38pm

re: #150 Shazam

“It’s going down.”

“We’re prepared to shoot at federal agents and use the wominz as human shields.”

I guess it’s the same thing, in the context of blackness.

It was ObserverArt who wrote the ‘no worse’ line. I only used it to point out that ‘no worse’ was still really bad.

Also, “‘Cause it’s going down.” isn’t the whole quote. That by itself wouldn’t be very bad, but before that the speaker said “If Darren Wilson get off y’all better bring every army y’all got.”. It is that first sentence that alarmed me.

155 Eventual Carrion  Sep 16, 2014 8:27:28pm

re: #141 ObserverArt

Dark_Flacon,

I’d think that threat the guy was making to the Council would be seen as no worse then some of the rhetoric that spews from Tea Party types and certain Republican members of Congress at their town hall gigs.

And that is still leaving out the conservative yakking media machine and many a conservative commenter on blogs news sites etc.

If there is any issue, it might be due to him being African-American and saying it, which just feeds back into the whole problem going on in that community.

“We don’t retreat, we reload!”

156 Stanley Sea  Sep 16, 2014 8:27:39pm

re: #133 teleskiguy

I really want to page @ZackKopplin’s live-tweet at the Texas SBOE meeting today. I don’t know how to do that cool Twitter feed feature in a page. It can’t be that hard, I’ve found that once you learn how to do certain things on LGF (like embed a tweet) it’s always stoopidly simple.

Any help?

I’ve never done it, but it’s called storify. I think it’s step by step.

Link when done por favor.

157 ObserverArt  Sep 16, 2014 8:27:43pm

re: #146 Dark_Falcon

(Bolding marks a correction of a misspelled word.)

I’ve condemned that sort of rhetoric when white people on the right have said it as well. The threat made in Ferguson could be ‘no worse’ than what some of those Oathkeepers crazies have said, but that would still be VERY bad. Threatening violence if you don’t get your way is unacceptable, no matter who does it.

Fixed the spelling.

By the way, I find it odd that you say “if you don’t get your way.”

What way is there about doing the right thing in the investigation?

You aren’t trivializing the fact those Ferguson folks have every right to be pissed about how this is all an ongoing mess and is preceded by other issues with the police and DA are you?

What is behind the crazy conservative rhetoric that makes people say what they do? Most of it is made up bull about the Black Guy in Office. At least the Ferguson dude has something to be truly upset about. And it has nothing to do about getting anyone’s way. It is about the right way.

158 ausador  Sep 16, 2014 8:27:58pm

This takes loaded fries to a different level…yes it’s a pizza that uses fries instead of pizza dough. Snack time…

159 blueraven  Sep 16, 2014 8:28:56pm

re: #146 Dark_Falcon

(Bolding marks a correction of a misspelled word.)

I’ve condemned that sort of rhetoric when white people on the right have said it as well. The threat made in Ferguson could be ‘no worse’ than what some of those Oathkeepers crazies have said, but that would still be VERY bad. Threatening violence if you don’t get your way is unacceptable, no matter who does it.

Did you condemn tea party folks for bringing guns to demonstrations and town hall meetings and quote…”It is time to water the tree of Liberty” and such threats during the healthcare debate?

content.time.com

160 Higgs Boson's Mate  Sep 16, 2014 8:29:29pm

re: #158 ausador

Well I hope that you’re happy with yourself: I now have the Third Degree Munchies and it’s all your fault!

161 Varek Raith  Sep 16, 2014 8:30:26pm

re: #160 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Well I hope that you’re happy with yourself: I now have the Third Degree Munchies and it’s all your fault!

Party at ausador’s house!

162 Dark_Falcon  Sep 16, 2014 8:31:36pm

re: #157 ObserverArt

Those people at that meeting have every right to be angry and I minimize nothing. But I find it serious wrong to threaten riots if a criminal case does not go a certain way.

re: #159 blueraven

Did you condemn tea party folks for bringing guns to demonstrations and town hall meetings and quote…”It is time to water the tree of Liberty” and such threats during the healthcare debate?

content.time.com

Yes, I did.

163 I Stand With Big Sodomy!  Sep 16, 2014 8:32:12pm

DF and I do not see eye to eye on most things, but he is always a gentleman.
I can’t help it, I have a little soft spot for our DF!!

164 Dark_Falcon  Sep 16, 2014 8:33:15pm

BBIAB

165 HappyWarrior  Sep 16, 2014 8:34:15pm

Well I’m late to tonight’s conversation but I have a legitimate tardy slip. Wish I could have been at Camden Yards for the moment. Definitely attending a playoff game though.

166 Varek Raith  Sep 16, 2014 8:34:41pm

re: #165 HappyWarrior

Well I’m late to tonight’s conversation but I have a legitimate tardy slip. Wish I could have been at Camden Yards for the moment. Definitely attending a playoff game though.

GO NATS!
:P

167 Bubblehead II  Sep 16, 2014 8:34:41pm

re: #159 blueraven

Did you condemn tea party folks for bringing guns to demonstrations and town hall meetings and quote…”It is time to water the tree of Liberty” and such threats during the healthcare debate?

content.time.com

This. DF seems to have a very narrow window of condemnation. Wonder why?

168 HappyWarrior  Sep 16, 2014 8:35:42pm

re: #166 Varek Raith

GO NATS!
:P

Hey I want a Beltway Series sucker. And I’ve been waiting for a night like this since 1997.

169 Charles Johnson  Sep 16, 2014 8:35:50pm
170 Bubblehead II  Sep 16, 2014 8:36:04pm

re: #164 Dark_Falcon

BBIAB

Point proven. The heat gets turned up. He runs away.

171 HappyWarrior  Sep 16, 2014 8:37:07pm

re: #169 Charles Johnson

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Yeah really. You want to spend more on actually investing in our people. It’s always “Oh, we can’t do that, the debt and all.” And then the second there’s an opportunity for war, those same people are fucking drooling at the thought. If fiscal conservatives want to know why I have a lot of contempt for that ideology, it’s taht.

172 Stanley Sea  Sep 16, 2014 8:37:50pm

re: #153 Bubblehead II

Yep, he is a tool of the TPGOP. At least Kilgore had the decency to just fade away.

Chill.

173 ObserverArt  Sep 16, 2014 8:41:13pm

re: #169 Charles Johnson

[Charles Johnson @Green_Footballs

Amazing that this country always finds money for as much war as we want, but health care? Education? Infrastructure? Sorry, we’re tapped out]

A conservative’s dream. Strong defense, let the states fight over the rest.

Later all!

174 Dark_Falcon  Sep 16, 2014 8:43:29pm

re: #170 Bubblehead II

Point proven. The heat gets turned up. He runs away.

I was getting my laundry out of the dryer. And as it turned out, I found out I washed my cell phone. So I’ll be without one for a while, most likely.

175 Bubblehead II  Sep 16, 2014 8:44:10pm

re: #172 Stanley Sea

Chill.

Why?

176 De Kolta Chair  Sep 16, 2014 8:46:13pm

The aftermath of the Palin brawl.

177 HappyWarrior  Sep 16, 2014 8:48:03pm

re: #173 ObserverArt

A conservative’s dream. Strong defense, let the states fight over the rest.

Later all!

I wouldn’t even call it a strong defense. I’d call it bloated defense. But this gets me thinking about “Budget hawk” Paul Ryan. I knew he was a fraud when he wasn’t willing to even consider cutting the defense budget in the famous Ryan Budget. It’s like saying “I’m going on a diet” but I’ll still eat cake for dessert every night.

178 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Sep 16, 2014 8:48:30pm

Against my better judgment, I tried in vain to convince my currently RWNJ brother (Sister Palin sent a tingle down his leg in 2008) that citizens of Ferguson yelling at their city council was the ultra-mild, Fisher-Price version of what he so vehemently cheered Iranians doing in 2009. He still thinks the Iranian protesters were Noble Heroes, while simultaneously thinking the stuff going on in Ferguson amounts to a bunch of thugs blah blah entitlement blah blah liberals blah blah cops put their lives on the line every day blah blah.

179 Stanley Sea  Sep 16, 2014 8:49:16pm

re: #175 Bubblehead II

Why?

BHII, DF is a polite opposing view. Happy to have the opposing view, praising Dog that he’s not a prick.

180 gwangung  Sep 16, 2014 8:50:42pm

re: #178 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

Against my better judgment, I tried in vain to convince my currently RWNJ brother (Sister Palin sent a tingle down his leg in 2008) that citizens of Ferguson yelling at their city council was the ultra-mild, Fisher-Price version of what he so vehemently cheered Iranians doing in 2009. He still thinks the Iranian protesters were Noble Heroes, while simultaneously thinking the stuff going on in Ferguson amounts to a bunch of thugs blah blah entitlement blah blah liberals blah blah cops put their lives on the line every day blah blah.

Even when most of the looting was done by outside criminals, even when a lot of the violence was by WHITE outsiders, right?

181 Eventual Carrion  Sep 16, 2014 8:51:57pm

re: #176 De Kolta Chair

[Embedded image]

The aftermath of the Palin brawl.

Someone broke the lamp award.

182 HappyWarrior  Sep 16, 2014 8:54:32pm

So the question is regarding the Palin brawl. How low will Palin sink? I don’t think this is her low point in the slightest.

183 Dark_Falcon  Sep 16, 2014 8:55:46pm

re: #179 Stanley Sea

BHII, DF is a polite opposing view. Happy to have the opposing view, praising Dog that he’s not a prick.

Thank you for that.

To speak to the group more broadly: I know most people here don’t agree with me politically these days, but I do work hard and the great majority of the time succeed in treating folks here politely and respectfully. And I did that when my views were in the majority here, too. and I try hard to be charitable in my interpretations of the words of others here, so I’d ask people to extend some charity towards me as well.

184 Bubblehead II  Sep 16, 2014 8:56:14pm

re: #179 Stanley Sea

BHII, DF is a polite opposing view. Happy to have the opposing view, praising Dog that he’s not a prick.

I can accept an opposing view. Polite or not. But DF refuses to accept that his party is leading this County down a path of destruction. This I will not ignore.

185 Jenner7  Sep 16, 2014 8:58:02pm

re: #154 Dark_Falcon

Maybe he meant that we will have more people protesting, so you should bring the army, like they brought the militarized police last time. Just a different interpretation.

186 goddamnedfrank  Sep 16, 2014 8:58:06pm

re: #179 Stanley Sea

BHII, DF is a polite opposing view. Happy to have the opposing view, praising Dog that he’s not a prick.

He can be kind of a prick. I get why a lot of people here like him, because as you say he is polite about it and self deprecating and people tend to feel sorry for him. Also, when he says really, unbelievably abhorrent shit like this …

But Tillman had been a prestige person for the Army, and given the way he died, I would’ve covered up the facts too.

… eventually he caves in and reverses himself, but only after massive amounts of pushback. So it’s easy to see why people just get fed up with it from time to time. God knows I have.

187 De Kolta Chair  Sep 16, 2014 8:58:27pm

If the chemical and oil conglomerates are correct about climate change being a myth, why does this dang mosquito insist on biting my legs in autumn?

188 Dark_Falcon  Sep 16, 2014 8:58:30pm

re: #174 Dark_Falcon

I was getting my laundry out of the dryer. And as it turned out, I found out I washed my cell phone. So I’ll be without one for a while, most likely.

Actually, it seems my phone may have survived. Too soon to tell, though.

189 Dark_Falcon  Sep 16, 2014 9:00:11pm

re: #185 Jenner7

Maybe he meant that we will have more people protesting, so you should bring the army, like they brought the militarized police last time. Just a different interpretation.

Maybe. But its not the interpretation that springs into my mind upon hearing such words. To be fair, that fact also says something about me.

190 teleskiguy  Sep 16, 2014 9:02:36pm

OK, this was kind of time-consuming, but I made a page about the Texas textbook hearing that @ZackKopplin live-tweeted.

littlegreenfootballs.com

There’s some messy code stuff at the bottom of the post, I don’t know how to clean that up.

attn: Stanley Sea

191 goddamnedfrank  Sep 16, 2014 9:03:18pm

re: #185 Jenner7

Maybe he meant that we will have more people protesting, so you should bring the army, like they brought the militarized police last time. Just a different interpretation.

Yeah, I took it as a simple statement of fact. Still, how useful is that? I get the frustration, but that kind of rhetoric isn’t particularly compelling.

192 De Kolta Chair  Sep 16, 2014 9:04:30pm

The Divine Garbo contemplates the Higgs boson, decades before it was postulated.

193 The Ghost of a Flea  Sep 16, 2014 9:05:10pm

re: #188 Dark_Falcon

Actually, it seems my phone may have survived. Too soon to tell, though.

Put the phone in a bag of rice overnight. It helps absorb moisture.

194 teleskiguy  Sep 16, 2014 9:05:41pm

re: #190 teleskiguy

I just looked at the finished product, and the weird code stuff at the bottom of the post is gone.

Check out my latest page! littlegreenfootballs.com

195 Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 16, 2014 9:09:48pm

Two things stand out to me about this:

1) The most powerful force in a society is the people.

2) THIS is why we have social media. Without Twitter/Vine/Facebook this kind of transparency and details from the meeting would simply not have been possible.

196 Dark_Falcon  Sep 16, 2014 9:11:24pm

re: #193 The Ghost of a Flea

Put the phone in a bag of rice overnight. It helps absorb moisture.

I don’t have any rice. It’s charging an alternate battery right now. Once it finishes, I’m going to take the battery out so the phone can air out.

197 De Kolta Chair  Sep 16, 2014 9:13:18pm

“Those that despise people will never get the best out of others and themselves.” — Alexis de Tocqueville

Not sure if I agree, but I see his point.

198 Bubblehead II  Sep 16, 2014 9:13:50pm

Night Lizards Guess I’ll just have to wait until tomorrow to find out if DF’s cell phone dried out. Maybe he’ll have a polite and cogent post as why he still carries the TPGOP water for them. I doubt it. But I will look for it.

199 The Ghost of a Flea  Sep 16, 2014 9:17:49pm

re: #196 Dark_Falcon

I don’t have any rice. It’s charging an alternate battery right now. Once it finishes, I’m going to take the battery out so the phone can air out.

No rice?

Does not compute. I don’t think I could sleep nights without the dry goods cupboard having at least one long- and short-grained variety stocked.

200 De Kolta Chair  Sep 16, 2014 9:30:17pm

How to make a Möbius Bagel. Give it a try; cream cheese optional.

201 wheat-dogghazi  Sep 16, 2014 9:41:30pm

re: #153 Bubblehead II

Yep, he is a tool of the TPGOP. At least Kilgore had the decency to just fade away.

I was wondering what happened to KT. I thought he’d finally been banned or something.

And D_F is not as bad as you think.

203 wheat-dogghazi  Sep 16, 2014 9:43:12pm

re: #158 ausador

This takes loaded fries to a different level…yes it’s a pizza that uses fries instead of pizza dough. Snack time…

Only in America …

204 goddamnedfrank  Sep 16, 2014 9:43:51pm

re: #202 goddamnedfrank

The original version of this article incorrectly identified “Global Illumination” as “Ambient Occlusion”. We have corrected the article in place and thank everyone who brought this error to our attention.

Designers are fucking hilarious.

205 wheat-dogghazi  Sep 16, 2014 9:46:52pm

re: #174 Dark_Falcon

I was getting my laundry out of the dryer. And as it turned out, I found out I washed my cell phone. So I’ll be without one for a while, most likely.

Buy some rice, take the battery out of the phone (if you can) and bury it and the phone in the rice. Wait a day or two and try to power it up.

The SD card, if equipped, should still be usable.

206 teleskiguy  Sep 16, 2014 9:48:00pm

re: #156 Stanley Sea

Link when done por favor.

littlegreenfootballs.com

207 klys  Sep 16, 2014 9:49:50pm

re: #201 wheat-dogghazi

I was wondering what happened to KT. I thought he’d finally been banned or something.

And D_F is not as bad as you think.

He was sort of fading and then he retweeted racists in the name of free speech and that was the last straw for banning.

208 Ryan King  Sep 16, 2014 9:51:40pm

re: #196 Dark_Falcon

I don’t have any rice.

YOU ARE ARE DEAD TO ME.

209 teleskiguy  Sep 16, 2014 9:53:20pm

re: #183 Dark_Falcon

To speak to the group more broadly: I know most people here don’t agree with me politically these days, but I do work hard and the great majority of the time succeed in treating folks here politely and respectfully. And I did that when my views were in the majority here, too. and I try hard to be charitable in my interpretations of the words of others here, so I’d ask people to extend some charity towards me as well.

Dark, I see you as my only SANE conservative voice I can find online, and I thank you for your contributions. That you are the only sane conservative voice that I know of when I log onto a computer really scares me!

I’d love to quibble about what is and is not conservative, but the well is verily poisoned. Fucking David Weigel wrote a post today about American secessionists getting all razzed up because of the impending Scotland secession vote. STFUGTFO

210 wheat-dogghazi  Sep 16, 2014 9:54:45pm

re: #207 klys

He was sort of fading and then he retweeted racists in the name of free speech and that was the last straw for banning.

That must have happened while I was away from LGF last month while traveling. I kinda miss his formulaic concern posts: “Well, this could happen, or that could happen. In the end, we just have to wait and see.”

OK. I don’t miss them at all.

211 wheat-dogghazi  Sep 16, 2014 9:55:54pm

re: #208 Ryan King

I wouldn’t go that far, but seriously, no rice in the house at all? It’s a cinch to cook and easy to dress up.

212 klys  Sep 16, 2014 9:56:26pm

re: #210 wheat-dogghazi

That must have happened while I was away from LGF last month while traveling. I kinda miss his formulaic concern posts: “Well, this could happen, or that could happen. In the end, we just have to wait and see.”

OK. I don’t miss them at all.

Outrage!

;)

213 darthstar  Sep 16, 2014 9:57:48pm

re: #211 wheat-dogghazi

I wouldn’t go that far, but seriously, no rice in the house at all? It’s a cinch to cook and easy to dress up.

White rice, brown rice, red rice, black rice…I’ve got ‘em all…

214 darthstar  Sep 16, 2014 9:58:35pm

Time to get some sleep, but I saw the rice comment as I was driving by and had to pitch in.

Cheers, everyone.

215 De Kolta Chair  Sep 16, 2014 9:59:56pm

Growing up in the godawful sixties, the fantabulous illustrator Jack Kirby helped keep me sane, Thanks a million, Jack.

216 wheat-dogghazi  Sep 16, 2014 10:02:02pm

re: #213 darthstar

White rice, brown rice, red rice, black rice…I’ve got ‘em all…

Red beans and rice / black beans and rice / lentils and rice — I had to cook for a vegetarian for a while, so I learned about rice early. I like rice more than potatoes.

217 klys  Sep 16, 2014 10:02:38pm

Sigh.

218 sagehen  Sep 16, 2014 10:04:47pm

re: #112 teleskiguy

Back then you could still get arrested for doin’ someone else’s wife.

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He was 23 years old, and had not yet started his singing career.

219 Shiplord Kirel  Sep 16, 2014 10:08:19pm

I am back in Lubbock to attend the dedication of the Tim Cole Memorial tomorrow. Tim was the Texas Tech student and Army veteran who was wrongfully convicted of rape in Lubbock in 1985. He was one of my students while I was a grad assistant there, though, in truth, I barely remember him. He died in prison in 1999. He was eventually exonerated and received the first posthumous pardon in the state’s history.
The facts of the case would seem to allow little dissent but bigotry is untroubled by facts: This morning, I heard a wingnut caller to a local radio show demand to know when they would build a memorial to “a white man who was wrongfully convicted.” He went on to opine that it was a waste of taxpayer money. Needless to say, no public money was used for the memorial. It was paid for by Kevin Glasheen, a local lawyer who spent years working for Tim’s exoneration and pardon. Other than allowing the memorial to be placed on city property, there is no public involvement at all.

220 sagehen  Sep 16, 2014 10:13:41pm

re: #123 Stanley Sea

Segue music…..

Has anyone else been enjoying Ken Burns’ The Roosevelt’s’?

Tonight? Quentin died, the Germans shot him out of the sky and distributed photos of his corpse on the 1917 Twitter Prototype. Teddy cried a lot. Teddy died. Also, Franklin broke Eleanor’s heart by cheating on her with her secretary.

Professionally… Wilson beat Teddy in the election with the slogan “he kept us out of war,” and right after taking office got into the war. Teddy wanting to be in the war destroyed the Bull Moose party.

So no, I did not enjoy tonight’s ep.

221 sagehen  Sep 16, 2014 10:15:40pm

re: #127 dog philosopher

roosevelts are overexposed

how about a special on the polks and just how did we go about taking all that land from mexico by force anyway huh?

or andy jackson and all the crazy shit he did?

Eisenhower. That was a life. (and it’d be good to remind everybody how awesome he was, some time before his memorial is finished).

222 HappyWarrior  Sep 16, 2014 10:23:30pm

re: #221 sagehen

Eisenhower. That was a life. (and it’d be good to remind everybody how awesome he was, some time before his memorial is finished).

Not a president but what about George Marshall. So many people considered him the finest man of the era. My Dad’s high school alma mater was named after him and their nickname was the Statesmen. A fitting name for a school named after Marshall. I’ve also been by where he lived in Virginia many times. I’d watch a documentary on a lesser known president like Fillmore, Hayes, or someone like that. I find the unknowns interesting.

223 sagehen  Sep 16, 2014 10:25:15pm

re: #185 Jenner7

Maybe he meant that we will have more people protesting, so you should bring the army, like they brought the militarized police last time. Just a different interpretation.

Maybe he meant that Obama should pull an Eisenhower and bring the 101st Airborne, since the locals don’t respect black people’s civil rights.

224 De Kolta Chair  Sep 16, 2014 10:26:34pm

re: #127 dog philosopher

I’d like to see a thorough tv documentary about the underestimated Ulysses S. Grant, a most fascinating character. Until then, there’s his brilliant “Personal Memoirs,” first published by Mark Twain, and William S. McFeely’s superlative biography, one of the best I’ve ever read.

225 sagehen  Sep 16, 2014 10:28:30pm

re: #188 Dark_Falcon

Actually, it seems my phone may have survived. Too soon to tell, though.

When somebody accidentally washed their phone on an episode of “Elementary”, they saved it by putting it in a bag of rice until it dried out.

Worth a try.

226 William Barnett-Lewis  Sep 16, 2014 10:51:15pm

re: #221 sagehen

Eisenhower. That was a life. (and it’d be good to remind everybody how awesome he was, some time before his memorial is finished).

I’d like to see something on the 1912 football game between Army and Carlisle. Eisenhower, Jim Thorpe & Pop Warner. Not to mention an injury that almost changed world history…

227 gwangung  Sep 16, 2014 11:42:38pm
New MacArthur Genius Award winner Jennifer L. Eberhardt, 49, a social psychologist at Stanford University, has conducted a series of experiments to show how mostly unconscious racial stereotypes can criminalize African-Americans. Using images of faces and objects flashed across a screen at speeds that range from subliminal to perceptible, Ms. Eberhardt discovered that subliminal exposure to a black face led subjects to better detect blurry images of weapons. A white face, conversely, inhibited detection of such objects.

Her statistical analysis also showed that the “blacker” a defendant looks — as measured by skin color, hair texture and lip size — the more likely it was that the defendant would receive the death penalty if the victim was white. Police officers are more likely to judge as criminals those whose faces are the most stereotypically black, her research shows.

Hm. Relation to Ferguson is almost irresistible.

228 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Sep 17, 2014 12:34:58am

re: #71 Dark_Falcon

“If Darren Wilson get off y’all better bring every army y’all got. Cause it’s going down.”

That was not a smart thing to say. However true it is, the person saying it is going to come across to many other people as having issued a threat. Moreover, it is issuing a prejudgement of the legal process, concluding a man to be guilty before he is found to be so and saying their will be violence if the law does not conclude as the speaker has.

Those words are seriously bad in my eyes.

Note: Post edited as Antonio French did not say the quoted phrase.

That can and most certainly will be seen as a threat. It is, unfortunately, a statement of fact. There will be rioting again if Wilson is acquitted or not even charged.

229 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Sep 17, 2014 2:01:57am
ArnoldC
Programming language based on the one-liners of Arnold Schwarzenegger.

Motivation

Although the one-liners of Arnold Schwarzenegger are fairly well known the true semantics of the uttering is yet to be understood. This project tries to discover new meanings from the Arnold movies with the means of computer science.

HelloWorld.arnoldc

IT’S SHOWTIME
TALK TO THE HAND “hello world”
YOU HAVE BEEN TERMINATED

github.com

230 urbanmeemaw  Sep 17, 2014 2:12:30am

re: #128 Stanley Sea

Totally hooked.

231 ausador  Sep 17, 2014 2:34:06am

I had forgotten that Snowden has a “job” in Scotland.
With Scotland possibly no longer part of the UK after Thursday he can probably fill it in person instead of via video conference.

Remember back in April when this happened?…

Edward Snowden installed as Glasgow University rector

Addressing about 200 university staff and students in Bute Hall, Mr Snowden said: “I’m disappointed and I must apologise for being unable to attend in person, but unfortunately I’ve discovered that I’m barred from entering the United Kingdom on the grounds that my presence is considered detrimental to the public good.”

232 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Sep 17, 2014 2:40:23am

re: #231 ausador

Wow. Why are there so many boneheads at GU?

233 freetoken  Sep 17, 2014 2:46:51am

re: #217 klys

I hatez Septembers… hot, hot here, with no water. A few places around the county got downpours today, but mostly west of the mountains it was a real teaser.

Currently it’s 82F here with 69%RH, an unusual combination due to the strong monsoonal flow that led to Odile moving up the gulf.

234 freetoken  Sep 17, 2014 2:54:35am

Meanwhile, we even have a “beach hazards” warning:


COASTAL HAZARD MESSAGE
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE SAN DIEGO CA
734 PM PDT TUE SEP 16 2014

...STRONG RIP CURRENTS AND ELEVATED SURF THROUGH THURSDAY...

.A LONG-PERIOD SOUTH-SOUTHWEST SWELL PRODUCED BY A SOUTHERN HEMISPHERE STORM WILL PRODUCE ELEVATED SURF...AND STRONG RIP AND LONGSHORE CURRENTS AT THE ORANGE AND SAN DIEGO COUNTY BEACHES THROUGH THURSDAY. HIGHEST SURF WILL BE ALONG SOUTHWEST FACING BEACHES. THE SWELL WILL GRADUALLY LOWER FRIDAY INTO THE WEEKEND.


A long, long way away in the Pacific a storm is forcing rip-currents here.

This is one thing climate-change denialists and paleo-conservatives just refuse to accept - that we live on one planet and there are long-range connections between what happens far away and what happens here.

235 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Sep 17, 2014 2:55:13am

So there was this news item about Satanic materials in Florida schools. But what do these Satanists teach?

thesatanictemple.com

THERE ARE SEVEN FUNDAMENTAL TENETS.

One should strive to act with compassion and empathy towards all creatures in accordance with reason.
The struggle for justice is an ongoing and necessary pursuit that should prevail over laws and institutions.
One’s body is inviolable, subject to one’s own will alone.
The freedoms of others should be respected, including the freedom to offend. To willfully and unjustly encroach upon the freedoms of another is to forgo your own.
Beliefs should conform to our best scientific understanding of the world. We should take care never to distort scientific facts to fit our beliefs.
People are fallible. If we make a mistake, we should do our best to rectify it and resolve any harm that may have been caused.
Every tenet is a guiding principle designed to inspire nobility in action and thought. The spirit of compassion, wisdom, and justice should always prevail over the written or spoken word.

236 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Sep 17, 2014 3:13:20am

re: #232 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

Wow. Why are there so many boneheads at GU?

Very leftist.

237 ausador  Sep 17, 2014 3:18:18am

Yehh, nice to see twitter used for something beyond political sniping for once.

238 ausador  Sep 17, 2014 3:34:34am

WTFF?
Bobby Jindals plan to save Louisianan from climate change?

Jindal has several ideas for how to tackle these challenges. For example, “appropriate management and thinning of forests that have grown unnaturally thick” will help reduce emissions. He also suggests “modernizing our air traffic control systems to allow pilots to fly more direct routes.” And finally, he urges the government to “work with American job creators to develop a smart plan to preserve the environment.”

thinkprogress.org

Your going to run chainsaws and trackhoes and lumber trucks that all create emissions to chop down trees that absorb them and that will reduce emissions???

239 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Sep 17, 2014 3:35:55am

re: #235 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

And here’s the Satanic activity book :D

240 ausador  Sep 17, 2014 3:47:26am

re: #239 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

Can’t let any kids see that, they’ll be scarred for life!

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241 Lidane  Sep 17, 2014 3:53:40am

Your tax dollars at work:

242 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Sep 17, 2014 3:56:41am

OK, it’s one thing for Michael Shermer to be a sex-creep.
But this is something else altogether:

243 ausador  Sep 17, 2014 4:08:46am

Records being broken on Wall Street, Dow above 2000, Corporations turning in record profits, productivity up 40%, wages…FUCK OFF SOCIALIST!

244 freetoken  Sep 17, 2014 4:18:49am

re: #242 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

Butt kissing at its worse.

It’s a common method of elevating one’s own position (in society), by elevating one’s “enemy” ( broadly defined.)

In a combat sport, when promoting how good one is, one doesn’t go out and say that his opponent is not very good. Rather, the idea is to talk up the opponent, which implies your victory over the opponent is something special.

Shermer would rather not be known as a guy who does well in debates against criminals. It would be much more prestigious to be known as someone who does well debating highly regarded individuals.

245 freetoken  Sep 17, 2014 4:23:07am

Speaking of butt kissing, in case anyone missed it (and I suspect few did, as it’s plastered everywhere), Bobby Jindal prepped his 2016 campaign to get the religious right vote:

“I’m Not an Evolutionary Biologist”

By a long shot, it won the pandering-award for the week.

246 Decatur Deb  Sep 17, 2014 4:23:41am

re: #238 ausador

WTFF?
Bobby Jindals plan to save Louisianan from climate change?

thinkprogress.org

Your going to run chainsaws and trackhoes and lumber trucks that all create emissions to chop down trees that absorb them and that will reduce emissions???

Only if you exorcise the forest demons before you cut them.

247 sattv4u2  Sep 17, 2014 4:26:55am

re: #246 Decatur Deb

Only if you exorcise the forest demons before you cut them.

There’s a Druid/ Christmas Tree joke in there somewhere!!

248 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Sep 17, 2014 4:28:56am

Years ago D’Souza wrote:

Atheists like to think of themselves as akin to champions of the round earth, confronted by religious ignoramuses who keep insisting that the earth is flat. But is it even conceivable that a round-earth advocate should lose a debate to a flat-earth advocate? To put the question differently, if atheists are truly the party of reason, and believers like me are truly the party of “blind faith,” how come reason keeps getting its butt kicked?

Eh. Um.

The Parallax-Dyer debate, held on May 5, 1873, was well attended. Each disputant made a twenty-minute opening address, and they then spoke alternately for ten minutes each until the end. At one point, Dyer suggested that some of the experiments Parallax claimed to have performed could not have happened as he described them, suggesting that Parallax fibbed. Rowbotham parried him neatly, and according to the account of the debate carried in The Zetetic, was the clear winner. He probably was, for the zetetics [flat-earthers] became attached to the debate format. In years to come, they eagerly debated anyone who would go against them.

249 Timothy Watson  Sep 17, 2014 4:31:16am

re: #246 Decatur Deb

Only if you exorcise the forest demons before you cut them.

Those damn Sylvans are so annoying.

(Pardon yet another Dragon Age: Origins reference.)

250 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Sep 17, 2014 4:31:31am

re: #248 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

So, yes, D’Souza, you’re not only a felon but also an equivalent of a flat-earther snake-oil salesman.

251 Decatur Deb  Sep 17, 2014 4:32:23am

re: #247 sattv4u2

There’s a Druid/ Christmas Tree joke in there somewhere!!

It’s Louisiana—thinking he’s gonna piss off le rougarou.

en.wikipedia.org

252 b.d.  Sep 17, 2014 4:44:26am

I can’t wait for the Scottish vote to be decided so people can blame Obama for whichever way it comes out.

253 darthstar  Sep 17, 2014 4:45:45am

re: #246 Decatur Deb

Only if you exorcise the forest demons before you cut them.

Forest demon farts cause global warming.

254 thedopefishlives  Sep 17, 2014 4:53:34am

Morning Lizardim. So in addition to finding a Robert Spencer book in my garage cleaning yesterday, I also found a large stack of Rush Limbaugh’s vile newsletters. Hard to believe it wasn’t that long ago that I was enthusiastic about such derptards as Ann Coulter, Robert Spencer, and Rush Limbaugh. I guess that really does mean my break with my past is complete. How go things among the lizardfolk this morning?

255 darthstar  Sep 17, 2014 4:53:52am

re: #252 b.d.

I can’t wait for the Scottish vote to be decided so people can blame Obama for whichever way it comes out.

I’m just looking forward to the US bombing raids on Edinburgh. Shock and Awe!

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256 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Sep 17, 2014 4:54:49am

re: #254 thedopefishlives

Pretty good. And yes, it’s sometimes so embarrassing to confront our former convictions.

257 thedopefishlives  Sep 17, 2014 4:56:41am

re: #256 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

Pretty good. And yes, it’s sometimes so embarrassing to confront our former convictions.

Mrs. Fish didn’t quite understand why I had to get the tongs and gas mask to extricate them to the garbage can.

258 ausador  Sep 17, 2014 4:58:30am

re: #241 Lidane

I can’t decide if he reminds me more of Max Schrek…

Or of an older Draco Malfoy…

259 Timothy Watson  Sep 17, 2014 4:58:32am

re: #255 darthstar

I’m just looking forward to the US bombing raids on Edinburgh. Shock and Awe!

///

WE MUST NOT ALLOW A POSSIBLE NUCLEAR POWER SO CLOSE TO OUR VALIANT ALLY THE UK!1!!

260 freetoken  Sep 17, 2014 4:59:24am

The dangerous thing about Jindal’s anti-knowledge campaign isn’t its stupidity, but its success.

If you read about the whole breakfast get-together, what Jindal is doing is playing victim cards to the populist style of politics.

It’s the Big Bad Government not letting parents teach their children what they want. It’s the Big Bad Government not letting Louisianans prosper. And so forth.

And it is successful. He is governor after all.

261 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Sep 17, 2014 4:59:37am

re: #258 ausador

Of their son. ///

262 Timothy Watson  Sep 17, 2014 5:00:08am

fraking typos :(

263 darthstar  Sep 17, 2014 5:00:18am

So McCain and Graham have been sucking on the monied tit of Saudi Arabia…

264 freetoken  Sep 17, 2014 5:00:20am

re: #258 ausador

Someone should draw in a thought-bubble for John the Orange that reads “I hope this keeps me as Speaker.”

265 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Sep 17, 2014 5:01:12am

re: #260 freetoken

Yes, as indicated in the excerpt about flat-earthers above, the truth doesn’t matter, only the colorful populist slogans and a lot of prideful arrogance.

266 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Sep 17, 2014 5:02:55am

And salt-of-the-earth morons will readily swallow it.

267 Decatur Deb  Sep 17, 2014 5:04:14am

re: #255 darthstar

I’m just looking forward to the US bombing raids on Edinburgh. Shock and Awe!

///

First we’ll need a coalition to enforce world-wide sanctions on their haggis trade.

268 wheat-dogghazi  Sep 17, 2014 5:04:24am

re: #238 ausador

He’s also spouting nonsense about “modernizing air traffic control systems to allow pilots to fly more direct routes.” The quality of the ATC system is not much of a factor in setting flight paths. The airlines’ hub-and-spoke system is the determining. Unfortunately, that means some cities, say like New Orleans or Baton Rouge, are the spokes, and big airports like O’Hare, Atlanta and DFW are the hubs. No matter how modern the ATC system is, it would be very unlikely for an airline to fly directly from Baton Rouge to London, for example, because there aren’t enough passengers to make the route profitable.

As for the trees, he’s obviously taken lessons from Saint Ronnie and Michele Bachmann about how trees emit poisonous CO2.

269 darthstar  Sep 17, 2014 5:04:56am

Are these guys talking about Syria? I hate interrupting a twitter conversation and missing the context…

270 wheat-dogghazi  Sep 17, 2014 5:08:10am

re: #258 ausador

I can’t decide if he reminds me more of Max Schrek…
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Or of an older Draco Malfoy…
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Maybe Joffrey Baratheon/Lannister?

271 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Sep 17, 2014 5:08:32am

Still no trace of allegations about Shermer’s creepy antics on his wiki page…

Certain allegations are common knowledge across the Internet. It does no good for Wikipedia’s reputation to pretend nothing is happening. Proxima Centauri (talk) 18:00, 5 September 2013 (UTC)
Please do not link to speculation about a living person when it is only sourced to blogs. This issue is not getting standard coverage: [1] and has no weight required due to the sensitive nature of the allegations. IRWolfie- (talk) 18:44, 5 September 2013 (UTC)

As usual, morons are unable to see beyond the medium. It doesn’t matter whether it’s “blogs”. Who is behind the blogs? Public persons with a certain amount of credibility. This reminds me of Russia’s haughty dismissal of evidence “from social networks” (the US, to their credit, have relied on them in their official statements). The quality of the source matters, not the medium.

272 darthstar  Sep 17, 2014 5:10:18am

re: #270 wheat-dogghazi

Maybe Joffrey Baratheon/Lannister?
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He should try the wine.

273 darthstar  Sep 17, 2014 5:12:32am
274 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Sep 17, 2014 5:13:25am

If a source is not credible, then it’s not credible regardless of whether it’s been published by NYT or by a “blog”. And vice versa.

275 freetoken  Sep 17, 2014 5:22:18am

More on creationism and stupid:

Jeff Goldberg yesterday posted a featured piece at The Atlantic focusing on Ken Ham:

The Genesis Code

I find it a less than substantial piece, taken as a whole.

I don’t know why these sort of things get published (other than to make money, of course.) It’s almost like the intelligentsia of (once) leading publications feel they need to be fashionably late to the party, so to speak.

Everything about which Goldberg writes has been written many times before, over the last many years.

My suspicion (and that is all this is) for why this was published was for Jeff to get this in print:

My sympathies, by the way, do not lie entirely where you might think. I find atheism dismaying, for Updikean reasons (“Where was the ingenuity, the ambiguity … of saying that the universe just happened to happen and that when we’re dead we’re dead?”), and because, in the words of a former chief rabbi of Great Britain, Jonathan Sacks, it is religion, not science, that “answers three questions that every reflective person must ask. Who am I? Why am I here? How then shall I live?” Like Ken Ham, I am appalled by the idea, as expressed by Richard Dawkins, that “the universe we observe has precisely the properties we should expect if there is, at bottom, no design, no purpose, no evil, and no good, nothing but blind, pitiless indifference.”

So, instead of writing an article full on attacking atheism and Dawkins, which is another fashionable thing in proper circles of leading intellects of the old media, he sneaks that in the middle of the zillionth rehashing of the Creation Museum.

276 freetoken  Sep 17, 2014 5:25:43am

I know that people have been picking on Dawkins for what appears to be some latent sexism on his part, but I believe we need to be careful not to get caught up in other folk’s agendas who are using said sexism to try and attack his attacks on religious belief systems.

277 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Sep 17, 2014 5:28:04am

re: #275 freetoken

It is notable that Goldberg’s dislike of atheism is based on nothing but emotions. How is he, then, qualitatively different from a YEC on an intellectual level? Only by a matter of a degree.

I can at least respect the position that atheism is logically wrong. One can debate this. But this is pure whining.

278 wheat-dogghazi  Sep 17, 2014 5:30:10am

re: #275 freetoken

You know, it’s possible to find answers to those three questions without resorting to a Deity. Goldberg maybe forgot about those ancient Greek philosophers, and the more modern ones, who attempted to answer “Who am I? Why am I here? How then shall I live?”

279 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Sep 17, 2014 5:34:12am

re: #276 freetoken

I know that people have been picking on Dawkins for what appears to be some latent sexism on his part, but I believe we need to be careful not to get caught up in other folk’s agendas who are using said sexism to try and attack his attacks on religious belief systems.

True. However he’s been getting pushback mainly from within the “community”. I’m pretty sure some of his usual religious opponents are more sympathetic to these latest outbursts of his.

280 Bulworth  Sep 17, 2014 5:37:37am
The right wing blogosphere is going to go batshit over this STL council meeting. Get ready for the racism.

Only white people with Don’t Tread On Me flags are allowed to protest at public meetings and only about issues important to old white conservatives.

/

281 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Sep 17, 2014 5:40:12am
Appeal to Consequences
Explanation
An appeal to consequences is an attempt to motivate belief with an appeal either to the good consequences of believing or the bad consequences of disbelieving. This may or may not involve an appeal to force. Such arguments are clearly fallacious. There is no guarantee, or even likelihood, that the world is the way that it is best for us for it to be. Belief that the world is the way that it is best for us for it to be, absent other evidence, is therefore just as likely to be false as true.
Examples
Appeal to Good Consequences:
(1) If believe in God then you’ll find a kind of fulfilment in life that you’ve never felt before.
Therefore:
(2) God exists.
Appeal to Bad Consequences:
(1’) If you don’t believe in God then you’ll be miserable, thinking that life doesn’t have any meaning.
Therefore:
(2) God exists.
Both of these arguments are fallacious because they provide no evidence for their conclusions; all they do is appeal to the consequences of belief in God. In the case of the first argument, the positive consequences of belief in God are cited as evidence that God exists. In the case of the second argument, the negative consequences of disbelief in God are cited as evidence that God exists. Neither argument, though, provides any evidence for Santa’s existence. The consequences of a belief are rarely a good guide to its truth. Both arguments are therefore fallacious.
Real-World Examples
Each of the arguments above features in real-world discussions of God’s existence. In fact, they have been developed into an argument called Pascal’s Wager, which openly advocates belief in God based on its good consequences, rather than on evidence that it is true.
Another example occurs in the film The Matrix. There Neo is asked whether he believes in fate; he says that he doesn’t. He is then asked why, and replies, “I don’t like the thought that I’m not in control.” This is not an appeal to evidence, but to the unpleasantness of believing in fate: Fate would imply that the world is a way that I don’t want it to be, therefore there is no such thing.

logicalfallacies.info

282 wheat-dogghazi  Sep 17, 2014 5:40:50am

re: #277 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

It is notable that Goldberg’s dislike of atheism is based on nothing but emotions. How is he, then, qualitatively different from a YEC on an intellectual level? Only by a matter of a degree.

I can at least respect the position that atheism is logically wrong. One can debate this. But this is pure whining.

He is basically saying atheism just doesn’t feel right to him, so it must be invalid.

Appealing to emotions is a classic logical fallacy. A clever debater would shred that argument is no time.

283 freetoken  Sep 17, 2014 5:45:53am

This is supposed to be the coldest part of the day, but it’s still 80F here and the RH is now up to 71%.

It’s going to be a miserable day.

284 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Sep 17, 2014 5:48:53am

Besides, the Biblical/Quranic deity in its traditional interpretation is a far, far scarier proposition than the “meaningless” universe of atheism.

285 wheat-dogghazi  Sep 17, 2014 5:53:40am

re: #284 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

Besides, the Biblical/Quranic deity in its traditional interpretation is a far, far scarier proposition than the “meaningless” universe of atheism.

Debating atheism with a believer in a Deity is a losing proposition, because they cannot imagine a universe without a Deity, or a lifestyle that does not depend on belief in a Deity. It’s beyond their ken. Apparently, Goldberg is one of those people.

286 thedopefishlives  Sep 17, 2014 5:56:20am

re: #283 freetoken

This is supposed to be the coldest part of the day, but it’s still 80F here and the RH is now up to 71%.

It’s going to be a miserable day.

I keep offering for you guys to come and visit. The high here is supposed to be around 70 degrees F.

287 wheat-dogghazi  Sep 17, 2014 6:01:07am

re: #286 thedopefishlives

I keep offering for you guys to come and visit. The high here is supposed to be around 70 degrees F.

Here in China, at the 28th parallel, the high was 75°F and now it’s around 63. That’s to make up for the blistering temperatures of just two weeks ago, with highs around 95.

288 lawhawk  Sep 17, 2014 6:13:23am

re: #238 ausador

Jindal is taking liner notes from climate change denialist Charles Krauthammer. His proposals aren’t serious, but he uses just enough weasel words to try and convince people he might do something to deal with the fact that his state is slowly falling into the sea - a combination of reduced outflows from the Mississippi River carrying silt that built up the delta due to man-made changes to the channel and levee/damming that allows cargo to flow, a rising Caribbean Sea, and subsidence due to both a reduction in silt and drilling/extraction along the coast.

Louisiana loses 25-30 square miles of coastline every year. That’s the equivalent to a football field every 15 minutes. So, during an actual football game, you’re losing the land equivalent to at least 4 football fields.

Indeed, many of the GOP controlled states are using other terms to address climate change without actually identifying the need as climate change. They talk of storm-proofing. Coastal defense. Smart growth. Etc.

But the inevitable fact is that they have to address climate change, and the GOP is rife with denialists in every corner.

BTW, Jindal is also being touted as a potential 2016 contender, but his policies on everything from education to taxes should end all of that speculation. He’s trying to put a shine on the mess he’s made of LA, in much the same way that Rand Paul’s trying to pivot to win over mainline GOPers.

289 Bulworth  Sep 17, 2014 6:19:41am

From the NYT—

Kentucky is arguably one of the health law’s biggest early successes, with about 10 percent of the population getting coverage through the state’s online insurance marketplace — albeit mostly through Medicaid, not private plans — and none of the technology failures that plagued other enrollment websites. The uninsured rate here has fallen to 11.9 percent from 20.4 percent, according to a recent Gallup poll that found only Arkansas had experienced a steeper decline.

This sounds like a really BFD. The Democratic Party candidate for U.S. Senate from Kentucky must really be going wall-to-wall about this in her campaign.

Or not.

Ms. Grimes typically avoids talking about the health care law but, when pressed, says she wants to improve it. At a candidate forum here last month, during which Mr. McConnell called the law catastrophic, Ms. Grimes said, “We have to work to streamline the Affordable Care Act to make sure there aren’t overburdensome regulations on our businesses.” She also called for letting more people keep their old insurance policies, a point of contention that emerged last fall when several million people’s plans were canceled because they did not comply with the law’s coverage requirements.

Bring on the meteor.

nytimes.com

290 Bubblehead II  Sep 17, 2014 6:22:23am

Morning Lizards

Vikings: Adrian Peterson won’t play until legal issues are resolved

(CNN) — Running back Adrian Peterson will not play for the Minnesota Vikings until his legal issues are resolved, the team said early Wednesday.

Sadly, they are doing this for all the wrong reasons. Loss of and threatened loss of $pon$or$hip$.

291 Bulworth  Sep 17, 2014 6:23:00am

re:
#290

Their press conference reinstating him the other day was really tone-deaf.

292 wheat-dogghazi  Sep 17, 2014 6:24:17am

re: #289 Bulworth

Grimes is trying to walk the middle road, which IMHO is the wrong approach. She needs to differentiate herself from McConnell, rather than try to weasel-word around hot-button issues among conservatives. Grimes needs to play on the strengths of the Democrats, especially in regard to the ACA and Ky’s insurance exchange, rather than distance herself from them.

Nuance is not effective in the Commonwealth.

293 Bulworth  Sep 17, 2014 6:26:36am

From the same NYT article—

Gov. Steven L. Beshear, one of the few Democrats forcefully promoting the law here, said many were driven by a dislike of Mr. Obama. A recent CNN poll found that only 33 percent of likely voters here approved of his job performance, and that 63 percent disapproved.

(snip)

At the state fair’s annual ham breakfast, Mr. Beshear tried to humanize the law, describing how several farmers in attendance had signed up for the new coverage and how one had used it to check out a spot that turned out to be skin cancer.

“It’s not about the president,” he told the crowd of 1,600, who did not applaud once during the six minutes he spent discussing the law. “It’s about you. It’s about your families. It’s about your children.”

Perplexed as to why the Democratic governor of Kentucky can talk about the ACA like this and Grimes can’t.

294 Bubblehead II  Sep 17, 2014 6:27:12am

re: #291 Bulworth

re:
#290

Their press conference reinstating him the other day was really tone-deaf.

To say the least.

295 lawhawk  Sep 17, 2014 6:30:32am
296 Decatur Deb  Sep 17, 2014 6:30:39am

re: #289 Bulworth

From the NYT—

This sounds like a really BFD. The Democratic Party candidate for U.S. Senate from Kentucky must really be going wall-to-wall about this in her campaign.

Or not.

Bring on the meteor.

nytimes.com

Grimes is dancing in a minefield, taking on the bull pachyderm. Her state elected Rand Paul and 5 of their 6 House seats are GOP. If she pulls this off, at her age, she has a great shot at national office.

297 wheat-dogghazi  Sep 17, 2014 6:31:51am

re: #293 Bulworth

Perplexed as to why the Democratic governor of Kentucky can talk about the ACA like this and Grimes can’t.

Agreed. Grimes needs to try harder. It’s like she’s afraid of being too bold or outspoken, which is the wrong approach, as I said. McConnell is the incumbent and has the upper hand. Grimes really has nothing to lose by speaking out against McC and the GOP. As it is, she sounds like McConnell Lite, and who would want that?

298 Rightwingconspirator  Sep 17, 2014 6:32:39am

re: #295 lawhawk

299 thedopefishlives  Sep 17, 2014 6:38:49am

re: #290 Bubblehead II

Morning Lizards

Vikings: Adrian Peterson won’t play until legal issues are resolved

(CNN) — Running back Adrian Peterson will not play for the Minnesota Vikings until his legal issues are resolved, the team said early Wednesday.

Sadly, they are doing this for all the wrong reasons. Loss of and threatened loss of $pon$or$hip$.

Well, that and the immense political pressure from the likes of the governor and one of the state’s senators. The point still remains: The Vikings would prefer to win at all costs, including starting a player with ongoing legal trouble, until and unless they’re called on it and/or it starts to affect their bottom line. And then they wonder why nobody really likes them.

300 b.d.  Sep 17, 2014 6:50:15am

Are people all around the world losing their minds more than usual lately?

Texas Man Held for Alleged Attempt to Swim to N. Korea

South Korean border guards arrested an American man who they believe was attempting to swim across a river to rival North Korea, a South Korean defense official said Wednesday.

nbcdfw.com

The man told investigators that he tried to go to North Korea to meet leader Kim Jong Un, South Korea’s Yonhap news agency reported, citing an unidentified government source. It said the man, aged around 29, is a computer repairman from Texas who came to South Korea 10 days ago.

301 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Sep 17, 2014 6:54:23am

re: #300 b.d.

“I knew Dennis Rodman. You, sir, are not Dennis Rodman.”

302 b.d.  Sep 17, 2014 6:58:12am

re: #301 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

“I knew Dennis Rodman. You, sir, are not Dennis Rodman.”

On my list of world leaders that I would risk my life to meet, Kim Jong Un is pretty far down the list.

303 wheat-dogghazi  Sep 17, 2014 6:59:19am

re: #300 b.d.

The guy has a death wish, though the border patrol would probably not shoot him. The North Koreans would be dumbfounded that anyone would swim toward the north, for one thing. They only shoot people swimming to the south.

304 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Sep 17, 2014 7:01:26am

re: #303 wheat-dogghazi

The guy has a death wish, though the border patrol would probably not shoot him. The North Koreans would be dumbfounded that anyone would swim toward the north, for one thing. They only shoot people swimming to the south.

They might be trained to shoot at potential spies trying to sneak into the ROK, but anyone “escaping” into their country that blatantly is a propaganda coup.

305 Decatur Deb  Sep 17, 2014 7:02:45am

re: #303 wheat-dogghazi

The guy has a death wish, though the border patrol would probably not shoot him. The North Koreans would be dumbfounded that anyone would swim toward the north, for one thing. They only shoot people swimming to the south.

A Private from our 2nd Infantry went North in 1982 (poor choice of girlfriends). My parachute buddy was a Judge Advocate officer who spent the rest of his tour on the paperwork.

306 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Sep 17, 2014 7:05:42am

re: #304 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

They might be trained to shoot at potential spies trying to sneak into the ROK, but anyone “escaping” into their country that blatantly is a propaganda coup.

That didn’t help that American guy who’s been sentenced to 6 years of hard labor last week for wanting to stay in NK.

307 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Sep 17, 2014 7:08:13am

re: #306 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

That didn’t help that American guy who’s been sentenced to 6 years of hard labor last week for wanting to stay in NK.

Then they are fucking nuts. I don’t know enough about the details of the case to discern why they would not want to keep him as a token defector.

308 EmmaAnne  Sep 17, 2014 7:08:13am

re: #276 freetoken

No. The people who are attacking Dawkins for this are other atheists.

309 Dr. Matt  Sep 17, 2014 7:09:14am

re: #242 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

Michael Shermer wrote a letter to the court on Dinesh D’Souza’s behalf requesting leniency: pic.twitter.com
— Adam Lee (@DaylightAtheism) September 11, 2014

D’Souza doesn’t deserve an ounce of leniency. After admitting to the Court that he’s responsible for his own actions, the little turd ran to the am hate radio and TV crowd to whine that he was being victimized by the POTUS and DOJ. Fuck him. If he was a real man, he would a) kept his mouth shut, b) or admitted his guilt to the RNWJ media circus. Again, he doesn’t deserve an ounce of leniency. Dick.

310 Decatur Deb  Sep 17, 2014 7:10:32am

My whiz-kid from #305. It didn’t go well for him.

en.wikipedia.org

311 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Sep 17, 2014 7:10:34am
The Jews who left Egypt during the Exodus stole Egyptian gold and treasures and must be made to pay back what they took - with interest, an Egyptian political scientist has claimed.

jpost.com

Too bad the Exodus actually never happened.

312 Dr. Matt  Sep 17, 2014 7:11:52am

Look at all those Sailors, Soldiers, and Airmen hating on the president!

tbo.com

313 b.d.  Sep 17, 2014 7:11:55am

re: #306 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

That didn’t help that American guy who’s been sentenced to 6 years of hard labor last week for wanting to stay in NK.

You would think that this last guy would have at least looked at a newspaper before he trekked through the DMZ.

314 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Sep 17, 2014 7:12:27am

re: #307 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Then they are fucking nuts. I don’t know enough about the details of the case to discern why they would not want to keep him as a token defector.

Token defectors are too much bother. See Taxil, Leo.

315 freetoken  Sep 17, 2014 7:13:30am

God and politics, a match made in heaven:

Mayoral candidates Cianci, Elorza spar over religion

[…]

Independent Vincent A. “Buddy” Cianci Jr. and Democrat Jorge Elorza are entangled in a battle over religion, with Cianci questioning a 2010 law review article in which Elorza argued that it may be constitutional to teach the “non-existence of a theist God” in schools. […]

Elorza’s article, which has been the subject of several local political blog posts in recent weeks, rose to the surface again Tuesday when a recording of a robocall survey conducted by Cianci’s campaign was published online. The caller asks the listener to press 1 if they agree with Cianci that teaching about the existence or nonexistence of God “does not belong in schools,” or press 2 if they agree with Elorza that it would be acceptable “to teach in schools that there is no God.”

[…]

316 wheat-dogghazi  Sep 17, 2014 7:15:20am

re: #314 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

Were these jokers defectors, or just a little touched? The first one tore up his tourist visa, not his passport, AFAIK, and the river dude just wanted to see the Fearless Leader.

317 wheat-dogghazi  Sep 17, 2014 7:16:38am

re: #315 freetoken

How about: Press 3 if you agree religion should not be taught in schools at all.

318 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Sep 17, 2014 7:19:16am

re: #317 wheat-dogghazi

How about: Press 3 if you agree religion should not be taught in schools at all.

That is what Sunday School is for.

319 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Sep 17, 2014 7:21:48am

re: #315 freetoken

Certainly teaching the non-existence violates the spirit of the Est. Cl.
But since he argues that it would be technically constitutional, the only route I see for this is claiming that the claim of non-existence does not establish any religion.
The retort to this would be that it is still a claim about religion without a secular purpose.

320 Eventual Carrion  Sep 17, 2014 7:24:03am

re: #317 wheat-dogghazi

How about: Press 3 if you agree religion should not be taught in schools at all.

Yep. It is not the place of public schools to push the existence or nonexistence of a god(s). That is private to the child’s family, not public responsibility. All religion (for or against) needs to stay out of school. Maybe touch on it in a historical sense along with old god myths like Zeus and the likes, but no pro or con on the issue.

321 ObserverArt  Sep 17, 2014 7:24:40am

re: #291 Bulworth

re:
#290

Their press conference reinstating him the other day was really tone-deaf.

And then someone came along with an equalizer and a bigger power amp. They changed the tone by balancing out the frequencies and then once that was done, they plugged in the amp and turned the volume up until they were heard.

Funny how advertising money can do that. CAN YOU HERE US NOW?

322 freetoken  Sep 17, 2014 7:24:55am

When Thor the sky God is on your side, you have to win:

Harris cites ‘emergency,’ urges Christian voters to cast ballots

[…]

Harris, pastor of First Baptist Church in Charlotte and president of North Carolina’s Baptist State Convention, pointed to the War of 1812 when a hurricane and tornado helped defeat the British as evidence of God’s will in support of the United States.

“No man can explain that but that the hand of God is on this nation,” he said, drawing applause.

[…]

323 Pie-onist Overlord  Sep 17, 2014 7:25:10am

Do you feel Middle Class? Are you really Middle Class or are you Poor? Take this test:
money.cnn.com

324 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Sep 17, 2014 7:26:11am

re: #320 Eventual Carrion

Yep. It is not the place of public schools to push the existence or nonexistence of a god(s). That is private to the child’s family, not public responsibility. All religion (for or against) needs to stay out of school. Maybe touch on it in a historical sense along with old god myths like Zeus and the likes, but no pro or con on the issue.

Even the latter is a touchy subject. Trying to teach the Bible and its place in history will eventually lead to people on one side unhappy that it is not being praised as Divine Truth, others upset that it is not being picket apart and discredited as myth and superstition.

325 freetoken  Sep 17, 2014 7:26:37am

re: #323 Pie-onist Overlord

The phrase “Middle Class” doesn’t mean much, does it?

326 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Sep 17, 2014 7:27:03am

re: #322 freetoken

When Thor the sky God is on your side, you have to win:

Harris cites ‘emergency,’ urges Christian voters to cast ballots

He is on Japan’s side, too, then. And he was on Athens’ side…

327 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Sep 17, 2014 7:27:12am

E.g. let’s take the Exodus. It can be taught in schools that it never happened, has been disconfirmed by archaeology and is a legend.

It’s a claim about religion, but the main intent is secular - teaching factual history - so it’s constitutional.

The trickier question is whether one may teach that Zeus was but a legend. For if yes, then why not Yahweh?

328 Eventual Carrion  Sep 17, 2014 7:27:51am

re: #322 freetoken

When Thor the sky God is on your side, you have to win:

Harris cites ‘emergency,’ urges Christian voters to cast ballots

Our own “Divine Wind”, isn’t that special. Kamikaze incoming!

329 Decatur Deb  Sep 17, 2014 7:30:18am

re: #325 freetoken

The phrase “Middle Class” doesn’t mean much, does it?

Spent the best part of a Sociology semester trying to fit the three-layer class model to American reality. It doesn’t work. (Best part was the olde-worlders who insist nothing in America is a real ‘upper’ class.)

330 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Sep 17, 2014 7:30:22am

re: #325 freetoken

The phrase “Middle Class” doesn’t mean much, does it?

It also has to do with level of education (college or higher ed), whether family are home (or rather mortgage) owners, whether they have other investments and what their expectations are.

Middle Class is hard to quantify simply in figures.

331 ObserverArt  Sep 17, 2014 7:31:18am

re: #296 Decatur Deb

Grimes is dancing in a minefield, taking on the bull pachyderm. Her state elected Rand Paul and 5 of their 6 House seats are GOP. If she pulls this off, at her age, she has a great shot at national office.

BackwoodsSleuth could explain this better to those that think politics is easy in Kentucky when a hell of a lot of voters hate anything to do with the current president.

Its easy to say she should run on the success of the ACA, but I’m betting even some of those Kentuckians that got health insurance still hate the Black Guy in Washington.

Yes, some things can be that ingrained.

332 freetoken  Sep 17, 2014 7:32:19am

re: #330 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Note that the CNN link takes one to a page where you’re supposed to tell CNN what “Middle Class” means.

Umm… ok.

333 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Sep 17, 2014 7:32:42am

OK, I’ve found his article and he blunders already in the abstract:

Specifically, science has disconfirmed the claim that the theist God has the power to violate the laws of physics.

Uh, science has never tested the claim in the first place. So his long article can be ignored.

334 lawhawk  Sep 17, 2014 7:33:05am
335 wheat-dogghazi  Sep 17, 2014 7:35:17am

re: #322 freetoken

While Wikipedia is not the most reliable of sources, the article on the War of 1812 mentions only tornadoes that swept into Washington, D.C., causing some damage and delaying the British departure from the capital. The Brits then set off to take Baltimore, but failed to defeat the American forces defending it, and they later called off the attack. I find no mention of a hurricane.

In other words, the good pastor is pulling facts out of his ass.

336 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Sep 17, 2014 7:36:04am

This putdown of Dawkins by Skepchick is epic:

skepchick.org

337 wheat-dogghazi  Sep 17, 2014 7:36:37am

re: #333 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

Is “disconfirmed” a real word?

338 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 17, 2014 7:37:14am

re: #331 ObserverArt

BackwoodsSleuth could explain this better to those that think politics is easy in Kentucky when a hell of a lot of voters hate anything to do with the current president.

Its easy to say she should run on the success of the ACA, but I’m betting even some of those Kentuckians that got health insurance still hate the Black Guy in Washington.

Yes, some things can be that ingrained.

All true. The thing about Grimes is that she is an old school blue dog Democrat (as are many Democrats here in Kentucky). Essentially, she is more like an old-fashioned moderate Republican.
We also have a lot of people who are still living mentally in the past when it comes to social issues (religion, abortion, racial relations, etc.); Grimes is very much walking a political tightrope with the voters.

339 Pie-onist Overlord  Sep 17, 2014 7:37:20am

Well, just got into a Twitfight because some wingnut insists THIS PHOTO proves that OBAMA ISN’T PATRIOTIC Z0MG!!!!!!!!! after I debunked all his other UNPATRIOTIC!!!!!!! photo-ops as fake.

340 b.d.  Sep 17, 2014 7:37:23am

HOW COME YOU CAN’T CROSS THE RIVER BETWEEN NORTH & SOUTH KOREA BUT YOU CAN CROSS THE RIO GRANDE ALL YOU WANT?

341 Dr. Matt  Sep 17, 2014 7:38:17am

re: #337 wheat-dogghazi

Is “disconfirmed” a real word?

It’s a cinnamon ‘refudiate’.

342 ObserverArt  Sep 17, 2014 7:39:12am

re: #317 wheat-dogghazi

How about: Press 3 if you agree religion should not be taught in schools at all.

How about if non-religious schools taught a course on Religion History and Tolerance, where the students learn all about the roots to the many religions through history and how intolerance has had very large impacts on historical events.

/ Yeah, I know…its a nice idea in my mind, but would most likely meet huge resistance from all the religions. Which is exactly the whole damn problem.

343 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Sep 17, 2014 7:39:48am

re: #337 wheat-dogghazi

Is “disconfirmed” a real word?

Of course. Interestingly enough, I used it above quite independently from that guy.

344 Eventual Carrion  Sep 17, 2014 7:40:03am

re: #340 b.d.

HOW COME YOU CAN’T CROSS THE RIVER BETWEEN NORTH & SOUTH KOREA BUT YOU CAN CROSS THE RIO GRANDE ALL YOU WANT?

Cantaloupe calves.

345 Pie-onist Overlord  Sep 17, 2014 7:41:15am

There’s the eleventy zillionth BENGHAAAAZZZZIIIIIII!!!!1!!!!!1 hearing going on right now.

Wingnuts has Teh Sads because nothing new has been revealed.

346 wheat-dogghazi  Sep 17, 2014 7:41:18am

re: #335 wheat-dogghazi

While Wikipedia is not the most reliable of sources, the article on the War of 1812 mentions only tornadoes that swept into Washington, D.C., causing some damage and delaying the British departure from the capital. The Brits then set off to take Baltimore, but failed to defeat the American forces defending it, and they later called off the attack. I find no mention of a hurricane.

In other words, the good pastor is pulling facts out of his ass.

Oh, I correct myself. There was a hurricane that hit Louisiana in 1812, but judging from this Wikipedia entry, it did more damage to the Americans than to the British.

As the storm moved ashore in Louisiana, outer rainbands produced gale force winds and heavy damage in Pensacola, Florida. At Cat Island offshore Bay St. Louis, Mississippi, strong winds washed several boats ashore. Hurricane conditions began in New Orleans around 8 p.m. local time on August 19.[2] In southeastern Louisiana, Fort St. Philip sustained heavy damage,[5] after it was flooded. Most soldiers in the fort drowned. There was a rumor during the storm that the British took over Fort St. Philip, causing a panic in the midst of the War of 1812; however, the British fleet was scattered throughout the region,[3] and many British ships were damaged.[2] In New Orleans, the hurricane damaged 53 ships, and several boats were washed ashore along Lake Pontchartrain.[5] The USS Louisiana, a cutter commissioned in 1804, was wrecked during the hurricane while at port in New Orleans, and the entire crew except for the captain was killed.[6] Debris and bodies from the ships were dispersed along the lake’s coastline. The USS Viper lost its mast while offshore during the storm. Ten people died on the ship “Harlequin”.[3]

en.wikipedia.org

347 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 17, 2014 7:41:22am

Also, when it comes to ACA/Obamacare, that’s why Gov. Beshear and other supporters insist on calling it Kynect.

348 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Sep 17, 2014 7:44:34am

re: #347 Backwoods_Sleuth

Also, when it comes to ACA/Obamacare, that’s why Gov. Beshear and other supporters insist on calling it Kynect.

Why not call it Redneckt?

349 iossarian  Sep 17, 2014 7:45:09am

re: #340 b.d.

HOW COME YOU CAN’T CROSS THE RIVER BETWEEN NORTH & SOUTH KOREA BUT YOU CAN CROSS THE RIO GRANDE ALL YOU WANT?

We should totes become like North Korea. That would be so awesome.

350 iossarian  Sep 17, 2014 7:45:20am

Mud for breakfast again!

351 wheat-dogghazi  Sep 17, 2014 7:45:21am

re: #343 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

Of course. Interestingly enough, I used it above quite independently from that guy.

I stand corrected. Though, I would prefer “refute” as being more direct in meaning. YMMV.

352 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Sep 17, 2014 7:46:00am

You can’t just swim into Mordor.

353 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Sep 17, 2014 7:46:40am

re: #351 wheat-dogghazi

“Refuted” is a bit more aggressive :)

354 wheat-dogghazi  Sep 17, 2014 7:46:50am

re: #349 iossarian

We should totes become like North Korea. That would be so awesome.

We already have a Tyrant-in-Chief, according to some people, not to mention FEMA camps and black helicopters.

355 blueraven  Sep 17, 2014 7:47:31am

re: #334 lawhawk

Because he is a white, male, RW nutjob.
Too close for comfort.

356 Bulworth  Sep 17, 2014 7:49:28am

re:
#345

Wingnuts has Teh Sads because nothing new has been revealed.

That’s because Hitlery DESTROYED all the evidence about the STANDDOWN ORDER and the IRS emails!!!!!11

357 ObserverArt  Sep 17, 2014 7:49:31am

re: #345 Pie-onist Overlord

There’s the eleventy zillionth BENGHAAAAZZZZIIIIIII!!!!1!!!!!1 hearing going on right now.

Wingnuts has Teh Sads because nothing new has been revealed.

What could possibly be new after 2 full years and umpteen investigations?

They can’t even beat the dead horse as it has been so beaten there is no horse left to beat.

I can’t remember so much political tub thumping on one event like there has been on poor ol’ Ben Ghazi!

But look…there is still some horse residue on that hot dry sidewalk. Everyone…man your clubs…let’s thump!!!

358 Dr. Matt  Sep 17, 2014 7:50:29am

Benghazi, Benghazi, Benghazi, Benghazi

359 Bulworth  Sep 17, 2014 7:51:15am

re:
#334

Why isn’t the PA trooper killer not a bigger story?

I guess Jim Dim and CCJ haven’t been able to connect the alledged killer to an Occupy group.

360 Bulworth  Sep 17, 2014 7:52:38am

re:
#357

What could possibly be new after 2 full years and umpteen investigations?

But we still have questionnnnsnsnnsnsnsnsnnssn

361 Pie-onist Overlord  Sep 17, 2014 7:53:00am
362 lawhawk  Sep 17, 2014 7:53:22am

re: #335 wheat-dogghazi

If there was a hurricane during the War of 1812 on the East Coast, it doesn’t rate among those hitting Maryland during that time period - or within 30+ years for that matter. A strong hurricane did glance off the coast of Delaware in 1821, but no damage inland.

About.com does claim that one occurred, but I’ve yet to find any definitive report on actual weather sites.

Much more likely is that a tornado roared through during the British occupation of DC.

There was a hurricane that hit Louisiana during 1812, but it is likely to have done damage to both British and American lines, and set back American preparations and included damage to several American ships.

363 Dr. Matt  Sep 17, 2014 7:54:02am

I’m glad the Dems put this together. But, seriously, what a waste of fucking time and money: Benghazi on the Record: Asked and Answered

364 Bulworth  Sep 17, 2014 7:55:09am

re:
#363

Nothing’s ever answered for the true believer Benghazi conspiracy-monger.

365 iossarian  Sep 17, 2014 7:55:15am

I WILL NOT STOP ASKING QUESTIONS UNTIL I GET THE ANSWERS I WANT

366 wheat-dogghazi  Sep 17, 2014 7:55:33am

re: #342 ObserverArt

How about if non-religious schools taught a course on Religion History and Tolerance, where the students learn all about the roots to the many religions through history and how intolerance has had very large impacts on historical events.

/ Yeah, I know…its a nice idea in my mind, but would most likely meet huge resistance from all the religions. Which is exactly the whole damn problem.

It would fly like a lead balloon. Just designing the curriculum would be a no-starter, because any attempt to present a balanced view would prompt each religion to say it was being slighted.

On the other hand, teaching European history without reference to the conflicts among Roman Catholics, Eastern Orthodox, Protestants, Jews and Muslims is well nigh impossible. But, given the time constraints of the typical high school curriculum, it would be very difficult to delve into those conflicts in any great detail.

367 iossarian  Sep 17, 2014 7:55:40am

re: #365 iossarian

I WILL NOT STOP ASKING QUESTIONS UNTIL I GET THE ANSWERS I WANT

Note that this is also the torture fallacy.

368 Pie-onist Overlord  Sep 17, 2014 7:55:54am

Oh look SMOTI has dropped his BOMBSHELL REVELATIONS about last night’s town meeting

369 Dr Lizardo  Sep 17, 2014 7:57:17am

re: #358 Dr. Matt

Benghazi, Benghazi, Benghazi, Benghazi

The Benghazi Bunch.

370 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Sep 17, 2014 7:57:18am

re: #368 Pie-onist Overlord

Because in the end, it’s all about protecting White America against an angry black mob…

371 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Sep 17, 2014 7:57:25am

re: #368 Pie-onist Overlord

Oh look SMOTI has dropped his BOMBSHELL REVELATIONS about last night’s town meeting

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Like a clock.

372 wheat-dogghazi  Sep 17, 2014 7:58:05am

re: #362 lawhawk

If there was a hurricane during the War of 1812 on the East Coast, it doesn’t rate among those hitting Maryland during that time period - or within 30+ years for that matter. A strong hurricane did glance off the coast of Delaware in 1821, but no damage inland.

About.com does claim that one occurred, but I’ve yet to find any definitive report on actual weather sites.

Much more likely is that a tornado roared through during the British occupation of DC.

There was a hurricane that hit Louisiana during 1812, but it is likely to have done damage to both British and American lines, and set back American preparations and included damage to several American ships.

Yeah, as I said, the pastor was making it all up. He must be a graduate of the David Barton School of Historical Reinterpretation.

373 lawhawk  Sep 17, 2014 7:58:22am

*cough* *bullshit* *cough*

Lack of implementation? You mean like the GOP refusing to fund security requirements that the State Department requested years earlier?

Or how about the Obama Administration moving to implement a quick reaction force to address attacks on diplomatic facilities, which was something no prior Administration ever did - including Reagan, Bush I, Clinton, or Bush 2, despite attacks on diplomatic facilities during all those administrations.

This is another wasteful witch hunt to try and cast aspersions on the Obama Administration, but on then Sec. State Clinton mostly - because she’s a leading contender who has not yet announced a 2016 campaign for the WH.

374 Dr. Matt  Sep 17, 2014 7:59:00am

So, God creates weather events to defeat the British and Teh Gays? hmmmm.

375 Rightwingconspirator  Sep 17, 2014 7:59:01am

re: #371 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

Still running with the eye injury story full speed.

376 Feline Fearless Leader  Sep 17, 2014 7:59:12am

re: #357 ObserverArt

What could possibly be new after 2 full years and umpteen investigations?

They can’t even beat the dead horse as it has been so beaten there is no horse left to beat.

I can’t remember so much political tub thumping on one event like there has been on poor ol’ Ben Ghazi!

But look…there is still some horse residue on that hot dry sidewalk. Everyone…man your clubs…let’s thump!!!

They believe in homeopathic beating of horses. At this point the Benghazi horse has received enough dilution that no original horse molecules are left. But by homeopathic standards that makes the scandal even more powerful!
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377 wheat-dogghazi  Sep 17, 2014 8:00:29am

re: #376 Feline Fearless Leader

Soon they’ll be beating the chalk outline of a dead horse.

378 Rightwingconspirator  Sep 17, 2014 8:02:57am

From Jim… Not linking.

Posted by Jim Hoft on Wednesday, September 17, 2014, 9:52 AM

Some of the protesters said they were going to write in robber Michael Brown’s name for county executive in the next election as a symbolic gesture of solidarity.

Epic level assholery there.

379 Bulworth  Sep 17, 2014 8:03:20am

re:
#368

Conservatives never threaten legislators or government officials. They never gather mobs to shout down town hall meetings or gather outside congress to yell at legislators who vote for stuff they don’t like. Never threaten violence of any kind.

/

380 lawhawk  Sep 17, 2014 8:03:58am

re: #368 Pie-onist Overlord

Gee, why would the black community be angry if and when Wilson doesn’t even get charged, let alone gets off (after trial)?

1) FPD and STL county police cover up and obfuscate reports that should have been produced identifying basics of the scene of the incident.
2) county prosecutor has strong ties to local law enforcement, including a history of not prosecuting deadly/excessive force incidents against LEOs.
3) county prosecutor has ties to group that raised funds for Wilson.
4) local political leaders silent for weeks, and then suddenly propose new measures at a public meeting, even though it would seem that the state open meetings law was violated by not indicating when the initial deliberations took place on what was ultimately agreed to
5) FPD and county police engage in excessive force in stopping protests - including arrests and detentions of journalists who are doing nothing other than peacefully protesting and/or covering the protests.
6) county police aiming their loaded weapons at peaceful protesters.

And that’s just the tip of the iceberg.

381 Bulworth  Sep 17, 2014 8:04:29am

re:
#375

We’ve all seen Xray, here is File Foto!!!1

382 lawhawk  Sep 17, 2014 8:04:54am

re: #378 Rightwingconspirator

donotlink.com is your friend… append it to the url ahead of the url you don’t want to link to.

383 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Sep 17, 2014 8:05:15am

re: #377 wheat-dogghazi

Soon they’ll be beating the chalk outline of a dead horse.

I think they’re just necrozoophile wankers.

384 Pie-onist Overlord  Sep 17, 2014 8:06:32am

Wingnuts are getting their RAGE on because Joe Biden said “Jewboys” or something.

385 ObserverArt  Sep 17, 2014 8:06:50am

re: #377 wheat-dogghazi

Soon they’ll be beating the chalk outline of a dead horse.

Yep. I think even the buzzards have given up on this one. They’ve moved onto some of the NFL players. teams and organization itself. Lots of fresh meat on them bones.

386 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Sep 17, 2014 8:08:26am

re: #384 Pie-onist Overlord

wut

387 Bubblehead II  Sep 17, 2014 8:08:53am

re: #384 Pie-onist Overlord

Wingnuts are getting their RAGE on because Joe Biden said “Jewboys” or something.

Shylock.

I mean these Shylocks who took advantage of, um, these women and men while overseas.”

388 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Sep 17, 2014 8:11:13am

re: #387 Bubblehead II

Oof. That’s not pretty. Though I understand that it’s just a standard Biden gaffe.

389 Dr. Matt  Sep 17, 2014 8:12:21am

Jewish group chides Biden for using ‘offensive’ term
cnn.com

390 Dr. Matt  Sep 17, 2014 8:13:03am

re: #387 Bubblehead II

Oooops. Just saw your post. You win.

Edit: “Shylock”? Jebus, I haven’t heard that term I since was a kid….I actually never knew it was anti-semitic. I remember neighborhood kids calling each other “shylocks” and wondering….”WTH does that mean?”

391 lawhawk  Sep 17, 2014 8:13:42am

Hoft’s latest outrageous outrage may actually contain hint of truth.

$4 million a day is thrown in trash in school lunch programs. He, of course, blames Michelle Obama for the waste, which is based on estimates of how much fruit and vegetables are being thrown out after not being consumed.

There’s no word on how much waste was occurring before the latest requirements were put in place (you know - control for a study so you can identify what’s truly going on).

392 Rightwingconspirator  Sep 17, 2014 8:14:25am

re: #382 lawhawk

donotlink.com is your friend… append it to the url ahead of the url you don’t want to link to.

Right thanks for the reminder, and done.

393 Pie-onist Overlord  Sep 17, 2014 8:14:45am

Well Old Joe said a gaffe. That’s just awful.

394 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Sep 17, 2014 8:16:01am

re: #393 Pie-onist Overlord

It’s nothing. Tho I can’t blame wingnuts for jumping on it. We would too, with a wingnut vice-pres.

395 ObserverArt  Sep 17, 2014 8:16:27am

re: #387 Bubblehead II

Shylock.

I mean these Shylocks who took advantage of, um, these women and men while overseas.”

Oh good. Something new to get pissed off about. A day is not complete if each and every person on earth doesn’t have something to get pissed about.

I’m mad, therefore I am!

By the way, how many people actually know the word? Plus, it is one of those words that has evolved to mean a generalized ‘loan shark’ and the root of the Jewish character is probably not that well known.

Well, nice morning commenting with the Lizards…time to get down to work. Later.

396 Bulworth  Sep 17, 2014 8:17:14am

re:
#384

We all know that wingnuts universally condemn anyone who says anything offensive to or about anyone.

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397 Bubblehead II  Sep 17, 2014 8:19:25am

re: #388 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

Oof. That’s not pretty. Though I understand that it’s just a standard Biden gaffe.

Exactly. And the ADL makes it pretty clear in the first paragraph that is how they see it.

Vice President Joe Biden “should have been more careful” in a speech when he used a term that some consider anti-Semitic, the national director of the Anti-Defamation League said Tuesday.

398 FemNaziBitch  Sep 17, 2014 8:22:07am

From my fb — Prince Ea
Youtube Video

399 FemNaziBitch  Sep 17, 2014 8:25:21am

Shylock —ugh

Strange, I was remembering the movie version of the Merchant of Venice with Al Pacino and Jeremy Irons. When I watched it, I don’t think I’d read the play or seen it before.

Spectacularly acted. What was basically a good story of the destructive nature of greed was made hideous by the blatant anti-semitism and elitism of Shakespeare’s time.

I shiver every time I think of it.

Ugly story.

400 Dr. Matt  Sep 17, 2014 8:29:14am

Live feed to the Benghazi Clown Show

401 Snarknado!  Sep 17, 2014 8:32:56am

I wouldn’t be sad to see “Shylock” as a descriptive of anyone but the Shakespearean character retired from usage, but we used to say “gyp” all the time. I was in my 40’s before I knew where the word originated.

(Who reads Shakespeare these days? Sigh.)

402 Pie-onist Overlord  Sep 17, 2014 8:35:20am

WHUT

403 Dr. Matt  Sep 17, 2014 8:36:31am

re: #400 Dr. Matt

Live feed to the Benghazi Clown Show

This is surprisingly non-partisan and non-politicized at this point. RWNJs are closing their browsers in droves.

404 Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 17, 2014 8:40:44am

Do I dare ask how much money these “fiscal responsibility” conservatives have wasted on all these Benghazi hearings?

405 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Sep 17, 2014 8:41:32am

re: #403 Dr. Matt

This is surprisingly non-partisan and non-politicized at this point. RWNJs are closing their browsers in droves.

yeah but it’s a bit of a trap

406 Dr. Matt  Sep 17, 2014 8:41:33am

Jim Jordan (R-wingnut) is tinkling himself about “denied requests for additional security”.

407 Pie-onist Overlord  Sep 17, 2014 8:41:54am

re: #404 Eclectic Cyborg

Do I dare ask how much money these “fiscal responsibility” conservatives have wasted on all these Benghazi hearings?

About as much as they spent on trying to repeal Obamacare.

408 Eventual Carrion  Sep 17, 2014 8:42:04am

re: #368 Pie-onist Overlord

Oh look SMOTI has dropped his BOMBSHELL REVELATIONS about last night’s town meeting

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Yep. They will “Apply second amendment remedies” or “No retreat, reload!” or “This time we came unarmed” or “Tree of liberty and blood of tyrants” or [insert wingnut threat here].

409 CuriousLurker  Sep 17, 2014 8:42:14am

re: #401 Snarknado!

I wouldn’t be sad to see “Shylock” as a descriptive of anyone but the Shakespearean character retired from usage, but we used to say “gyp” all the time. I was in my 40’s before I knew where the word originated.

(Who reads Shakespeare these days? Sigh.)

Same here. Until I was in my 40’s, I’d used gyp and Shylock without ever realizing they were rooted in bigotry. “Indian giver” is another one that comes immediately to mind, though the last time I used it was as a kid.

410 Bulworth  Sep 17, 2014 8:43:54am

So, I found out today that one of the local news outlets here in Washington, D.C., has been purchased by the Sinclair Broadcast Group—

Last week, for example, WJLA viewers woke up to a new face on the morning news: Mark Hyman, a veteran conservative pundit, who offered some criticism of President Obama.

In his video commentary, Hyman railed against the inconsistent enforcement of a ban on travel to Cuba by Americans. Noting that the music stars Jay Z and Beyoncé had “partied up” in Havana last year without penalty, Hyman insinuated that Obama had protected the couple from prosecution. “It occurs to me that Beyoncé and Jay Z are close friends of the president and first lady,” said Hyman, adding sarcastically, “You don’t suppose . . . oh, never mind. He’d never do that.”

Hyman’s critiques — which range from warning about the cost of Obamacare to advocating the abolition of the Transportation Security Administration — will be a regular feature on WJLA, just as they are on dozens of stations owned by the Sinclair Broadcast Group, the new owner of ABC 7.

OFFS.

I watch this station in the mornings but was fortunate enough to have missed Mark Hyman’s Sinclair screeching.

And then there’s this—

Newsroom employees say they were alarmed last month by comments made by David Smith in an introductory staff meeting. According to several employees, Smith repeatedly said the station’s newsroom would “work for” its advertising-sales department. The statement surprised and disappointed some employees, who said newsroom decisions had been independent of advertising concerns under Allbritton’s management. (Allbritton’s former chief operating officer, Frederick J. Ryan Jr., was named publisher of The Washington Post earlier this month.)

Our “Liberal Media”, folks.

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washingtonpost.com

411 FemNaziBitch  Sep 17, 2014 8:44:34am
The concept may seem strange, but it’s stranger that our society has normalized violence but finds tampons unspeakable.

“Tampon Run,” A Game From Two Teenagers Who Want You To Know That Periods Are Totally Normal

Thank you St. Augustine

412 iossarian  Sep 17, 2014 8:44:50am

re: #405 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

yeah but it’s a bit of a trap

Did he really say out loud that they want it to look like a sensible and non-partisan operation?

413 Lidane  Sep 17, 2014 8:44:52am

Poor people should die of heat exposure in the summer and freeze to death in the winter! They also shouldn’t have any way of looking for a job!

Fox News: Real ‘poor’ people don’t have air conditioners and computers

414 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Sep 17, 2014 8:45:38am

re: #404 Eclectic Cyborg

Do I dare ask how much money these “fiscal responsibility” conservatives have wasted on all these Benghazi hearings?

silly, it’s only fiscally irresponsible when democrats spend money.

415 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Sep 17, 2014 8:46:24am

re: #412 iossarian

Actual quote:

I know I’m biased, but one of the good parts about running an investigation in a way that appears to be serious-minded is that witnesses who were previously unavailable or not interested in cooperating are now interested in cooperating. The universe of witnesses is expanding.

416 iossarian  Sep 17, 2014 8:47:40am
“I know I’m biased, but one of the good parts about running an investigation in a way that appears to be serious-minded is that witnesses who were previously unavailable or not interested in cooperating are now interested in cooperating. The universe of witnesses is expanding.”

— Trey Gowdy (emphasis iossarian)

What a fucking moron.

417 Bulworth  Sep 17, 2014 8:48:00am

re:
#408

And to think it was only four short years ago when peace-loving, civil, and super patriot wingnut conservatives descended on congressional townhall meetings across the nation to respectfully demonstrate their open-minded objection to helping make sure the nation’s citizens had full access to medical care and health insurance.

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418 Dr. Matt  Sep 17, 2014 8:48:41am

419 iossarian  Sep 17, 2014 8:48:57am

Hey everyone, the best part about pretending to be fair and reasonable is that people might be taken in and actually talk to you as if you’re a regular human being and not a total political hack and overall toolish person!

420 Snarknado!  Sep 17, 2014 8:50:22am

re: #409 CuriousLurker

Same here. Until I was in my 40’s, I’d used gyp and Shylock without ever realizing they were rooted in bigotry. “Indian giver” is another one that comes immediately to mind, though the last time I used it was as a kid.

Teehee, I heard the word without hearing a definition (like everyone), but I decided it meant “someone who gave stuff to Indians.” Since they usually historically ended up taking back the “gift.”

421 Bulworth  Sep 17, 2014 8:51:06am

re:
#408

Sorry, what was that? Couldn’t hear you over all the wingnut bleating about organizing a tractor-truck takeover of Washington, D.C. during Operation American Spring.

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422 FemNaziBitch  Sep 17, 2014 8:52:32am

423 FemNaziBitch  Sep 17, 2014 8:53:45am

424 Ryan King  Sep 17, 2014 8:55:23am

re: #416 iossarian

— Trey Gowdy (emphasis iossarian)

What a fucking moron.

Gowdy isn’t smart enough to hide his real intentions for any stretch of time. The truth always comes out.

425 FemNaziBitch  Sep 17, 2014 8:56:53am

426 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Sep 17, 2014 8:58:42am

re: #425 FemNaziBitch

Some do./

427 Pie-onist Overlord  Sep 17, 2014 8:58:52am

Moisture in the atmosphere, how does that fucking work?

428 lawhawk  Sep 17, 2014 9:00:11am

Still more proof that Hoft is a know-nothing scientific illiterate (which, I know, is the Department of Redundancy Department in action):

Clearly science eludes him. Warmer air carries more moisture, which means more snow, including lake effect snow. That’s why people along the Southern Tier in lake effect country want colder weather, because it shuts down the lake effect snows that pound the region by freezing over the lakes.

429 bratwurst  Sep 17, 2014 9:00:16am
430 lawhawk  Sep 17, 2014 9:00:27am

re: #427 Pie-onist Overlord

GMTA

431 FemNaziBitch  Sep 17, 2014 9:00:37am

How the Bush Administration Covered Up the Saudi Connection to 9/11
It’s a story of how the White House sought to suppress evidence that would reveal how much it knew of the attack plot.

432 Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 17, 2014 9:00:38am

re: #427 Pie-onist Overlord

Moisture in the atmosphere, how does that fucking work?

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Yes because of course The Day After Tomorrow was set in a desert wasteland..

433 Eventual Carrion  Sep 17, 2014 9:02:05am

re: #427 Pie-onist Overlord

Moisture in the atmosphere, how does that fucking work?

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You would think during his 3 years in 4th grade he would remember the water cycle on our planet that was taught.

434 nsmith25  Sep 17, 2014 9:03:22am

re: #338 Backwoods_Sleuth

All true. The thing about Grimes is that she is an old school blue dog Democrat (as are many Democrats here in Kentucky). Essentially, she is more like an old-fashioned moderate Republican.
We also have a lot of people who are still living mentally in the past when it comes to social issues (religion, abortion, racial relations, etc.); Grimes is very much walking a political tightrope with the voters.

Plus add in the geographic and urban/rural factors. Statewide elections aren’t going to go in favor of any Democrat unless they are Blue Dog, and even then it is hit and miss. Alison has to run up the margins in Lexington and Louisville, which I think she will, but will it be enough to hold off the conservative votes in Eastern and Western KY.

And I don’t think that it could be a good strategy to highlight how the ACA is helping. Mitch McConnell is running against Barack Obama. Every republican in the state is. Andy Barr commercials mention President Obama and “job killing” regulations. Hal Heiner is running for Governor next November, and everything out of his mouth is about Obama and “job killing coal killing regulations”. Alison has to run to get herself elected in the best way possible, and here you have to make enough people forget about the Blah guy in the White House, and anything about the ACA ain’t making that happen.

435 Pie-onist Overlord  Sep 17, 2014 9:03:36am

re: #433 Eventual Carrion

You would think during his 3 years in 4th grade he would remember the water cycle on our planet that was taught.

Complicated topics like that were not covered in his “special” curriculum, they were more focused on teaching him how to chew his own food.

436 Lidane  Sep 17, 2014 9:04:28am

Rebranding!

Oklahoma state Sen. Bennett: American Muslims are a ‘cancer in our nation that needs cutting out’

“I’m going to talk about threat of ISIS, and the Muslim Brotherhood, and CAIR, which is right here in the state of Oklahoma.”

“Is there a difference between moderate and radical Islam?” he asked, before answering, “I say, ‘No.’”

After attempting to describe the difference between “Muslim and Islam,” Bennett asked, “How can I be racist against Muslims or Islam when the ethnicity is actually Arab? This is kind of confusing.”

He then said that the goal of all Muslims is “the destruction of Western civilization from within. This is a cancer in our nation that needs to be cut out,” he added, but “the media is playing right into their hands.”

437 Ryan King  Sep 17, 2014 9:06:48am

re: #436 Lidane

Oh, wow. That’s just vile.

438 lawhawk  Sep 17, 2014 9:07:09am
439 FemNaziBitch  Sep 17, 2014 9:07:20am
Wow. “22 states and the District of Columbia can charge kids as adults when they’re as young as 7 years old.”

We still have a juvenile incarceratiom problem

440 Feline Fearless Leader  Sep 17, 2014 9:08:44am

re: #437 Ryan King

Oh, wow. That’s just vile.

But unfortunately probably effective due to how our citizens apparently don’t care about facts, nuance, or have an extreme dislike of emotional demagogues running for public office.

441 nsmith25  Sep 17, 2014 9:09:41am

Just as I finished posting this is “promoted” in my twitter feed:

442 FemNaziBitch  Sep 17, 2014 9:10:43am

443 FemNaziBitch  Sep 17, 2014 9:11:37am

bbl

444 Timothy Watson  Sep 17, 2014 9:18:23am

re: #438 lawhawk

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We can still tax the importation of slaves?

Of course, when the Republicans did their constitution reading back in 2011, after they took back the House, they read that section out as if it was still good law.

445 Pie-onist Overlord  Sep 17, 2014 9:18:29am
446 freetoken  Sep 17, 2014 9:18:31am

re: #427 Pie-onist Overlord

Moisture in the atmosphere, how does that fucking work?

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Magnets Clouds - you can’t ‘splain that!

447 wrenchwench  Sep 17, 2014 9:33:54am
448 Rightwingconspirator  Sep 17, 2014 9:43:03am

re: #409 CuriousLurker

Same here. Until I was in my 40’s, I’d used gyp and Shylock without ever realizing they were rooted in bigotry. “Indian giver” is another one that comes immediately to mind, though the last time I used it was as a kid.

In the jewelry casting/kiln biz, there is a way to fill the cracks in the refractory bricks or door. “Chinking” the oven, an awful reference back when.

Living where I do I learned some hilarious (some offensive some not so much) phrases from TV/movie sets. Lighting-“Chinese” the lights. (Narrow the light beam horizontally) “French” the lights-Narrow them vertically) “Kill the baby”(remove the light that illuminates the eyes and face) “Dead Kitten” gah! That’s the fuzzy thing on a mic to reduce wind noise….

449 Schadenboner  Sep 17, 2014 9:44:39am

re: #448 Rightwingconspirator

“Dead Kitten” … That’s the fuzzy thing on a mic to reduce wind noise

This is my new favorite-thing-ever for the day.

450 wrenchwench  Sep 17, 2014 9:49:54am
451 CuriousLurker  Sep 17, 2014 9:51:12am

re: #448 Rightwingconspirator

LOL, those are too (darkly) funny.

452 Pie-onist Overlord  Sep 17, 2014 9:57:06am

I guess he is probably going to talk about how to beat your kid without leaving marks and getting the attention of CPS

453 b.d.  Sep 17, 2014 10:01:05am

I think that I just swallowed my tongue.

Nice suit though. I always wondered what happened to Nicholson’s Joker costume.

454 RealityBasedSteve  Sep 17, 2014 10:02:57am

re: #453 b.d.

I think that I just swallowed my tongue.

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Nice suit though. I always wondered what happened to Nicholson’s Joker costume.

And what will it take me to get you into this fine pre-owned Dodge Omni today?… Because I really want to help you out…

RBS

455 BeachDem  Sep 17, 2014 10:05:01am

re: #416 iossarian

— Trey Gowdy (emphasis iossarian)

What a fucking moron.

I wish there were a rule that only one moron can embarrass a state per week. Sigh. I thought Mark Sanford had captured the honors this week for SC, but Gowdy is stepping all over MarkyMark’s idiocy. (And Lindsey Graham has tried to jump the line as well.)

456 b.d.  Sep 17, 2014 10:08:57am

OMG! SOMEONE ALLEGEDLY REVIEWED SOME DOCUMENTS!!1!

457 makeitstop  Sep 17, 2014 10:09:30am

re: #453 b.d.

I think that I just swallowed my tongue.

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Nice suit though. I always wondered what happened to Nicholson’s Joker costume.

That dude’s a wreck. I find it hilarious that wingnuts are pinning their hopes on his bringing the horse back to life so they can beat it some more.

458 nsmith25  Sep 17, 2014 10:10:01am
459 EPR-radar  Sep 17, 2014 10:11:14am

re: #453 b.d.

What a moron. Benghazi has been completely politicized by the GOP since about 5 minutes after the news first broke.

I supposed this level of reality-denial is SOP for Republicans these days.

460 Bulworth  Sep 17, 2014 10:12:06am

re:
#453

Yes if we could only stay above politics and Where was Obuma during Benghazi! attacks and why weren’t are heroes rescued?!?!?!??!.

461 Bulworth  Sep 17, 2014 10:13:57am

re:
#458

Darren Wilson testified in front of grand jury for 4 hours yesterday

Even with despite blown eye socket!!!11

462 Kragar  Sep 17, 2014 10:14:30am

what are some of the executive orders that would be repealed upon the election of President Rand Paul?

1) The Emancipation Proclamation. (Lincoln)
2) The desegregation of schools. (Eisenhower)
3) The re-naming of the NASA Launch Operations Center in Florida to the “John F. Kennedy Space Center.” (LBJ)
4) The creation of the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA). (Carter)
5) The resumption of federal funding for embryonic stem cell research. (Obama)
6) The creation of the Warren Commission. (LBJ)
7) Prohibiting discrimination based on sexual orientation in the federal workforce. (Clinton)
8) The creation of the presidential board of advisers on Black Colleges and Universities. (Bush 41)
9) Protect Against Identity Theft. (Bush 43)
10) Prohibiting discrimination based on race, color, religion, sex, national origin, handicap, or age in the federal workforce. (Nixon)

Read more at thedailybanter.com

463 klys  Sep 17, 2014 10:16:48am

re: #458 nsmith25

I made the mistake of reading the comments.

Don’t do that.

464 Bubblehead II  Sep 17, 2014 10:17:42am

And this is why, as many Lizards here have pointed out, that screaming OMG! ISIS IS GOING TO SNEAK ACROSS THE BORDER!!!! is a crock of shit.

Feds: NY store owner plotted to send jihadists to Syria, kill U.S. troops himself

(CNN) — A man who owns an upstate New York food store funded ISIS, tried to send jihadists to Syria to fight with the terrorist group and plotted to do some killing himself — by gunning down U.S. troops who had served in Iraq — federal authorities alleged Tuesday.

465 nsmith25  Sep 17, 2014 10:17:50am

re: #463 klys

I made the mistake of reading the comments.

Don’t do that.

I’ve learned…

Whew, I’ve learned

466 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Sep 17, 2014 10:18:04am

re: #448 Rightwingconspirator

In the jewelry casting/kiln biz, there is a way to fill the cracks in the refractory bricks or door. “Chinking” the oven, an awful reference back when.

Living where I do I learned some hilarious (some offensive some not so much) phrases from TV/movie sets. Lighting-“Chinese” the lights. (Narrow the light beam horizontally) “French” the lights-Narrow them vertically) “Kill the baby”(remove the light that illuminates the eyes and face) “Dead Kitten” gah! That’s the fuzzy thing on a mic to reduce wind noise….

The difference between things like “Indian giver” or “gyp” and the phrase “chinking the oven” is that the former two are derived from the ethnicity, whereas “chink” as a word for a small crack or opening goes all the way back to the 1500’s (and earlier, without the final “k”), and originally had nothing to do with the Chinese.

(There is a possibility, floated by etymonline.com, that the word “chink” achieved its ethnic meaning due to a reference to east Asian eye shape, but that’s not necessary. It could be just “china” plus the same “k” ending we see on “canuck”.)

467 Bulworth  Sep 17, 2014 10:18:08am

re:
#462

Rand Paul Promises to Repeal All Executive Orders… Ever

Didn’t realize son of Luap Nor was this close to announcing that he’s considering opening an exploratory committee to investigate whether he should be a pre-candidate in the next election.

468 Ace-o-aces  Sep 17, 2014 10:19:42am

re: #462 Kragar

469 Kragar  Sep 17, 2014 10:20:38am

re: #467 Bulworth

re:
#462

Didn’t realize son of Luap Nor was this close to announcing that he’s considering opening an exploratory committee to investigate whether he should be a pre-candidate in the next election.

Well, Cenk Uygur says he’s got it in the bag, so its a done deal effectively

470 wrenchwench  Sep 17, 2014 10:21:35am

re: #458 nsmith25

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Christine Byers of the Post-Dispatch contributed to this report.

Guess who is back from FMLA.

471 Decatur Deb  Sep 17, 2014 10:22:32am

re: #448 Rightwingconspirator

In the jewelry casting/kiln biz, there is a way to fill the cracks in the refractory bricks or door. “Chinking” the oven, an awful reference back when.

Living where I do I learned some hilarious (some offensive some not so much) phrases from TV/movie sets. Lighting-“Chinese” the lights. (Narrow the light beam horizontally) “French” the lights-Narrow them vertically) “Kill the baby”(remove the light that illuminates the eyes and face) “Dead Kitten” gah! That’s the fuzzy thing on a mic to reduce wind noise….

Go back to chinking your cracks with a good conscience. It has nothing to do with Chinese people.

Probably alteration of Middle English chine crack, fissure
First Known Use: 1535

(Chinking first used as a verb, 1609.)

472 Bubblehead II  Sep 17, 2014 10:22:55am

re: #469 Kragar

Well, Cenk Uygur says he’s got it in the bag, so its a done deal effectively

But Chucky is saying the Cruz is the only one with a clean bill of health.

THUNDER DOME!

473 b.d.  Sep 17, 2014 10:22:58am

re: #470 wrenchwench

Guess who is back from FMLA.

[Embedded content]

HAVE THEY CALLED JOSIE IN FRONT OF THE GRAND JURY YET?

474 Kragar  Sep 17, 2014 10:24:06am
475 Dr Lizardo  Sep 17, 2014 10:25:25am

This is pure awesomesauce.

A 29-year old Australian photographer living in Berlin has made an 83-year old Turkish resident named Ali the subject of her fashion blog, and Ali’s sartorial style is drawing rave reviews.

petapixel.com

The blog - “What Ali Wore”: alioutfit.tumblr.com

This gent is seriously rockin’ it. If I make it to 83, I hope I’m looking that good. He has 18 children, apparently, so I guess ZZ Top knew what they were talking about when they sang “…Cuz every girl crazy ‘bout a sharp-dressed man.”

476 Pie-onist Overlord  Sep 17, 2014 10:31:48am

He seems nice.

477 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Sep 17, 2014 10:32:11am

re: #471 Decatur Deb

Reminds me of the silly controversy over the word “niggardly”:

en.wikipedia.org

478 Bulworth  Sep 17, 2014 10:34:09am

re:
#476

Fucking troll libtard America-hating piece of shit

The most attractive wingnut quality, in addition to their strong family values and generous tone, is their open-mindedness and civility.

/

479 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 17, 2014 10:34:15am

heh…

480 Kragar  Sep 17, 2014 10:35:34am
481 Bulworth  Sep 17, 2014 10:35:40am

re:
#470

Police sources tell me more than a dozen witnesses have corroborated cop’s version of events in shooting

And we know Wilson suffered blown eye socket because we all saw File Foto!

482 Bulworth  Sep 17, 2014 10:37:21am

re:
#476

Fucking troll libtard America-hating piece of shit

The biggest challenge liberals face is overcoming the deep advantage in reason enjoyed by severely conservative American patriots.

//

483 Lidane  Sep 17, 2014 10:39:43am

Sure, that makes sense:

Staver: Contraception Mandate Just Like Nazi Gas Chambers

“If you are being forced to pay for the gas in the chamber that is injected into that chamber to kill a Jew, that’s one thing.” Staver said. “On the other hand, if you are required to say ‘you go right, you go left,’ the ones that go to the left, they go to the gas chamber, you don’t have to pay for that, but you have to make the decision to do it, it’s the same thing. Whether I have to exchange a dollar or ten dollars or a thousand dollars to facilitate the death of a human being or whether I have to say ‘I can’t do it, I can’t pull the trigger so therefore don’t make me pull the trigger,’ consequently since I’ve objected now a third party has to pull the trigger. There’s no difference.”

Barber agreed, saying that those who object “are still being forced to be complicit in that abortion homicide,” which is exactly what President Obama wants because he “in large part, lives his life to enable people to kill others.”

“This is good versus evil,” Barber said, “and there’s little question who’s on the side of good here and who’s on the side of evil.”

484 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Sep 17, 2014 10:40:59am

re: #483 Lidane

Abortion is not homicide. NEXT!

485 Pie-onist Overlord  Sep 17, 2014 10:41:01am

Here’s the original Tweet. Wow so patriot.
No racism here. Nope. None at all. Just patriotism!

486 Decatur Deb  Sep 17, 2014 10:42:23am

re: #479 Backwoods_Sleuth

heh…

[Embedded content]

Here’s Nate Silver today, describing non-silly use of polls:

fivethirtyeight.com

487 Stanley Sea  Sep 17, 2014 10:45:23am

Wanna be on Marketplace today???

488 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Sep 17, 2014 10:45:59am

re: #486 Decatur Deb

I dunno… I sorta can’t take him seriously anymore…

489 Decatur Deb  Sep 17, 2014 10:49:21am

re: #488 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

I dunno… I sorta can’t take him seriously anymore…

Growing pains on a new venture. All I care about is his right/wrong/dead center stats. That’s what kept me sane through 2012.

490 GeneJockey  Sep 17, 2014 10:58:49am

re: #487 Stanley Sea

Wanna be on Marketplace today???

[Embedded content]

It was a bitch! I was getting 10-15% raises every year!

491 CuriousLurker  Sep 17, 2014 11:06:37am

re: #475 Dr Lizardo

This is pure awesomesauce.

A 29-year old Australian photographer living in Berlin has made an 83-year old Turkish resident named Ali the subject of her fashion blog, and Ali’s sartorial style is drawing rave reviews.

petapixel.com

The blog - “What Ali Wore”: alioutfit.tumblr.com

This gent is seriously rockin’ it. If I make it to 83, I hope I’m looking that good. He has 18 children, apparently, so I guess ZZ Top knew what they were talking about when they sang “…Cuz every girl crazy ‘bout a sharp-dressed man.”

Heh, Ali’s snappy dresser. He’s one of those old guys that looks like someone washed & ironed him and then set him out on the street.

492 1Peter G1  Sep 17, 2014 4:23:40pm

re: #453 b.d.

I think I recognize that tartan. Clan Ronald McDoanald isn’t it?

493 darthstar  Sep 17, 2014 5:48:50pm

re: #422 FemNaziBitch

Pugs have no sense of shame.


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