Intense STL Council Meeting Leads to Torrents of Outright Racism at Gateway Pundit

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Last night during the St. Louis County council meeting that erupted in protests from residents infuriated at officials’ inaction on the Michael Brown shooting, I tweeted this:

And like clockwork, that’s exactly what’s happening this morning.

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And once again the angry right wing mob is led by the Dumbest Man on the Internet, Jim Hoft: Ferguson Mob Threatens StL County Leaders: “If Wilson Get Off, Y’all Better Bring Every Army Y’ Got, Cuz It’s Going Down” | the Gateway Pundit.

Get a load of Hoft’s inflammatory and distorted description of the shooting of Michael Brown; he’s still hyping his faked post about officer Darren Wilson’s “orbital blowout fracture of the eye socket.”

Brown was shot dead in Ferguson, Missouri on August 9, 2014 after he robbed a local Ferguson convenience store. Brown reportedly smashed police officer Darren Wilson in the face, severely injuring Wilson, before he was shot dead.

Wilson did not know Brown was a robbery suspect when he gunned Brown down; even the Ferguson police chief has acknowledged this. But Hoft repeatedly conflates these two issues as if they’re connected.

And about those “severe injuries” — Hoft made this up out of nothing, and continues to push the lie without any evidence and despite the fact that it’s been debunked repeatedly, most recently by St. Louis Post-Dispatch editor Gilbert Bailon, who said his paper had been unable to verify this bogus story.

But the real reason why Hoft does this is revealed with a look at his comment section, which by now has become totally indistinguishable from a neo-Nazi site, with overt racism and hate speech rampant. Some examples, hidden by default because they’re incredibly sickening:

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Let the black version of the KKK AKA the Black Panthers burn Ferguson to the ground. They aren’t smart enough to know what justice is. Send em all back.

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I love how the headline is written in ebonics, lol.

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Oh please do it ! then we can clean this trash out !

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Normally it begins with fake charges, the shaking of tree branches and the baring of fangs. In the future they should keep a pocket of shiny washers on hand. Baubles tend to distract the primitives.

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We can only hope and pray that “it goes down”

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Yup.. they would be mowed down like grass

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I was pretty much raised by a black lady, she had a name for these folks. Political correctness has banned it to hate crime classification.

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What this is really about is the black communi-teh being unable to live by white man’s laws in the white man’s society. To loud mouths like this Anthony Shahid, the solution is demanding the dominant population become subservient to them under threat of violence.
Uncivilized malcontents like Shahid should be repatriated to Ebola-ville where his philosophy and methods are dominant.

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Then it’s time to kill these idiots and be done with it. You don’t get your way just bcz you threaten violence. The shooting was justified and I’d personally shoot every one of you if I live there and had to deal with you chimps.

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What a pack of useless monkeys. And those shitskins wonder why nobody takes them seriously.

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bang! and as many bangs as it takes from the citizen militia to do the job the government just won’t do.

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What a f*cking zoo…..literally.

You can find these kinds of ugly racist comments at nearly every right wing blog that covers this story, by the way. Jim Hoft’s hate site is unusually dumb, but not unusually hateful for this crowd.

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232 comments
1 Decatur Deb  Sep 17, 2014 10:44:48am

Seems like a warm breeze will lead to outright torrents of racism at Gateway Pundit.

2 Bubblehead II  Sep 17, 2014 10:46:25am

re: #1 Decatur Deb

Seems like a warm breeze will lead to outright torrents of racism at Gateway Pundit.

Only if it involves a brown or Black person.

3 Kragar  Sep 17, 2014 10:46:28am

At this point, Dim Jim’s stories are prebunked. We already know he’s lying before he even posts them

4 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 17, 2014 10:48:49am
“If Wilson Get Off you try to seize my cattle because I refuse to pay grazing fees, Y’all Better Bring Every Army Y’ Got, Cuz It’s Going Down”

Because that’s patriotic…

5 b.d.  Sep 17, 2014 10:50:29am

Gateway, as in gateway to an alternate reality?

6 wrenchwench  Sep 17, 2014 10:53:44am
And about those “severe injuries” — Hoft made this up out of nothing, and continues to push the lie without any evidence and despite the fact that it’s been debunked repeatedly, most recently by St. Louis Post-Dispatch editor Gilbert Bailon, who said his paper had been unable to verify this bogus story.
7 wrenchwench  Sep 17, 2014 10:54:13am

re: #5 b.d.

Gateway, as in gateway to an alternate reality?

Gateway to Stormfront.

8 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Sep 17, 2014 10:54:55am
Wilson did not know about the convenience store theft when he shot Michael Brown

Charles, this detail doesn’t change much, but for the accuracy’s sake it should be corrected:
cbsnews.com

Jackson told the St. Louis Post-Dispatch that Wilson knew there had been a robbery in the area but did not know that Brown was a suspect.

9 GeneJockey  Sep 17, 2014 10:56:25am

I’m shocked - SHOCKED! - to find gambling going on here blowhard racist morons on Gateway Pundit!

10 Schadenboner  Sep 17, 2014 10:57:20am
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11 b.d.  Sep 17, 2014 10:57:43am

Hoft is still going to be screaming this crap long after Wilson is sent to prison to serve his long term, God willing.

12 b.d.  Sep 17, 2014 11:02:10am

Looks out window to see if wingnuts are breaking thermometers into river.

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13 Ace-o-aces  Sep 17, 2014 11:03:48am
14 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Sep 17, 2014 11:03:52am

re: #12 b.d.

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Looks out window to see if wingnuts are breaking thermometers into river.

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Uh oh. Goodbye, clean water. You were but a communist plot.

15 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 17, 2014 11:05:02am
16 Charles Johnson  Sep 17, 2014 11:05:23am

re: #8 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

Thanks - I clarified that wording.

17 Ace-o-aces  Sep 17, 2014 11:05:26am

But I’m sure Hoff supported Cliven Bundy when he and his buddies actually aimed guns at federal officials.

18 GeneJockey  Sep 17, 2014 11:07:15am

re: #17 Ace-o-aces

But I’m sure Hoff supported Cliven Bundy when he and his buddies actually aimed guns at federal officials.

Yeah, but those were REAL Americans!

19 lawhawk  Sep 17, 2014 11:09:09am

re: #12 b.d.

It shouldn’t be controversial that clean air is important to reducing bad health outcomes, but the right wingers think war on coal is a bad thing.

The war on coal faction is against the faction that wants clean air.

Everyone suffers from coal production - the miners who are seeing a spike in coal related health injuries like black lung (because remaining miners in the US are working longer hours and suffering from longer exposure to particulates to the people downwind from the energy plants that burn the coal.

Reduce the coal burned and you improve air quality (and reduce the number of birds killed) and you also reduce the number of miners exposed to potential black lung.

But the coal producing states don’t want to see those jobs lost, so they’re fighting to retain them, and want to make sure that coal exports to places like China continue - because there’s profit to be made.

All this shows is that there’s no such thing as clean coal.

20 S'latch  Sep 17, 2014 11:09:26am

Even if Darren Wilson had known that Michael Brown was suspected of stealing fifty dollars of cigars, the kid had his hands up. Darren Wilson is guilty of murder. Has he been indicted yet?

21 KerFuFFler  Sep 17, 2014 11:10:11am

Ferguson has brought out the racism in my 92 year old dad. He lives in Texas, so he is probably getting pretty biased news, but I just can’t talk to him about it. He has become unhinged. I know he does suffer from a medical condition where he now has a reduced level of red blood cells, but I cannot blame his thinking entirely on not getting enough oxygen to the brain. I suspect his fear of death has metastasized into FEAR of the OTHER and at this point he sides with Wilson even if it was a bad shoot!

So sad to see this in a person who has always been so thoughtful. He voted for Obama but now he fears all blacks……

It is shameful the way such fear mongering preys upon addled and damaged people.

22 jaunte  Sep 17, 2014 11:10:13am

re: #15 Backwoods_Sleuth

“I have decided to withdraw from the race due to insensitive remarks that have surfaced from years past,” he said in a statement to The Gazette. “This race has been extremely hard on my family and myself.”

Passive voice, feeling victimized; he checks all the boxes. Looks like a bright future in conservative politics awaits!

23 team_fukit  Sep 17, 2014 11:10:59am

I really love the “I was pretty much raised by a black lady” one. It’s like saying “I had a black mammy and she used to curse other black folks in front of us bosses so it must be legit.” Heard it a thousand times where I’m from

24 Kragar  Sep 17, 2014 11:10:59am

re: #17 Ace-o-aces

But I’m sure Hoff supported Cliven Bundy when he and his buddies actually aimed guns at federal officials.

THERE WAS NO LOOTING THERE!

I mean sure, Bundy stole millions in government services, and the militia made numerous bomb and death threats against the Feds and townspeople doing business with the Feds, and there were those Bundy supportes who went on a killing spree and killed a couple of cops, but there was no looting.

25 Schadenboner  Sep 17, 2014 11:12:31am

re: #13 Ace-o-aces

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Not the dreaded jazz cigarette!

26 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Sep 17, 2014 11:13:23am

re: #21 KerFuFFler

Fox News, various gateway demons pundits and other assorted scum are to blame.

27 Pie-onist Overlord  Sep 17, 2014 11:13:30am

re: #24 Kragar

THERE WAS NO LOOTING THERE!

I mean sure, Bundy stole millions in government services, and the militia made numerous bomb and death threats against the Feds and townspeople doing business with the Feds, and there were those Bundy supportes who went on a killing spree and killed a couple of cops, but there was no looting.

Except for all the looting of cow food.

28 jaunte  Sep 17, 2014 11:14:35am

re: #24 Kragar

there was no looting.

Bundy subbed it out to his cows.

29 Kragar  Sep 17, 2014 11:14:38am

re: #27 Pie-onist Overlord

Except for all the looting of cow food.

Don’t be silly. Its only looting if you set stuff on fire.
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30 Mike Lamb  Sep 17, 2014 11:15:08am

re: #19 lawhawk

It shouldn’t be controversial that clean air is important to reducing bad health outcomes, but the right wingers think war on coal is a bad thing.

The war on coal faction is against the faction that wants clean air.

Everyone suffers from coal production - the miners who are seeing a spike in coal related health injuries like black lung (because remaining miners in the US are working longer hours and suffering from longer exposure to particulates to the people downwind from the energy plants that burn the coal.

Reduce the coal burned and you improve air quality (and reduce the number of birds killed) and you also reduce the number of miners exposed to potential black lung.

But the coal producing states don’t want to see those jobs lost, so they’re fighting to retain them, and want to make sure that coal exports to places like China continue - because there’s profit to be made.

All this shows is that there’s no such thing as clean coal.

There are also non-quantifiable injuries, such as the haze that sits over the Grand Canyon that is created from nearby coal plants.

31 Charles Johnson  Sep 17, 2014 11:16:34am
32 Schadenboner  Sep 17, 2014 11:17:54am

re: #22 jaunte

Passive voice, feeling victimized; he checks all the boxes. Looks like a bright future in conservative politics awaits!

Bitchin’ boat shoes though.

33 lawhawk  Sep 17, 2014 11:21:03am

re: #30 Mike Lamb

Actually, that is a quantifiable cost too. Besides, the reduced visibility is a readily accessible and tangible outcome of seeing particulates in the atmosphere that can and do affect public health, including higher asthma incidence and other respiratory ailments.

34 Kragar  Sep 17, 2014 11:24:12am

re: #31 Charles Johnson

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35 BroncD  Sep 17, 2014 11:25:33am
The shooting was justified and I’d personally shoot every one of you if I live there and had to deal with you chimps.

So the shooting (of Mike Brown) was justified, but this guy would shoot every black person in Ferguson anyway just because?
Or maybe he meant the shooting of Brown was justified because he’s black and that’s all the justification anyone needs?

Just don’t PLAY THE RACE CARD, you guys.

36 jaunte  Sep 17, 2014 11:25:57am

re: #30 Mike Lamb

There are also non-quantifiable injuries, such as the haze that sits over the Grand Canyon that is created from nearby coal plants.

Coal haze over the Canyon, 2012.

37 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Sep 17, 2014 11:29:00am

re: #35 BroncD

Methinks the police should check this guy. I take this as a threat.

38 GeneJockey  Sep 17, 2014 11:30:01am

I looked at the ‘reveal’. Gee, I wish I hadn’t.

39 lawhawk  Sep 17, 2014 11:30:20am

re: #36 jaunte

Visibility at Zion, Bryce, and Grand Canyon and 8 other national park/monuments are affected by emissions from Navajo Power Station, which is one of the biggest coal fired plants in the Southwest. It’s centrally located to the several of the crown jewels of the national park system.

40 Ryan King  Sep 17, 2014 11:31:26am

Hoft is outraged by black folk responding with outrage to a (real) injustice.

Hoft is not outraged by the injustice.

That’s about all you need to know.

41 Ace-o-aces  Sep 17, 2014 11:32:33am

First post I saw with that hashtag:

I can’t believe we still have to explain this shit!

42 lawhawk  Sep 17, 2014 11:32:44am

re: #35 BroncD

I’ve had several twitter respondents claiming that Wilson was justified in killing Brown because Brown assaulted him, which assumes facts not in evidence (no proof that Brown punched Wilson, no evidence of injuries to Brown consistent with being in a struggle, etc.)

So no. It’s still excessive force, especially when Brown had his hands up when shot multiple times by Wilson.

43 Kragar  Sep 17, 2014 11:33:54am

re: #41 Ace-o-aces

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I can’t believe we still have to explain this shit!

CLIMATE ISN’T FUCKING WEATHER!

44 jaunte  Sep 17, 2014 11:34:26am

Weather/Climate
Iceberg/Goldberg

45 Pie-onist Overlord  Sep 17, 2014 11:35:16am

MOAR HATE ON TEH POORS by tcot fake “Christian”
Jesus would so kick ur ass

46 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Sep 17, 2014 11:36:12am

re: #41 Ace-o-aces

Scientists can’t even predict how a given molecule in the river will move in the next second. Why do they think they can predict how the river will flow the next year?

47 jaunte  Sep 17, 2014 11:36:16am

re: #45 Pie-onist Overlord

I’m not seeing a suggestion in there to increase military pay, oddly enough.

48 Ace-o-aces  Sep 17, 2014 11:38:04am
49 GeneJockey  Sep 17, 2014 11:38:10am

re: #41 Ace-o-aces

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I can’t believe we still have to explain this shit!

I can’t believe they can’t see how stupid that question is. And the crazy thing is, they understand climate at a deep level - none of them would pack only T-shirts and shorts to visit Minnesota in January, or a parka to visit Arizona in August.

50 Pie-onist Overlord  Sep 17, 2014 11:39:27am

re: #47 jaunte

I’m not seeing a suggestion in there to increase military pay, oddly enough.

51 CuriousLurker  Sep 17, 2014 11:39:59am

re: #47 jaunte

I’m not seeing a suggestion in there to increase military pay, oddly enough.

No mention of military benefits either—housing, meals, medical, etc.

52 Kragar  Sep 17, 2014 11:41:08am

re: #45 Pie-onist Overlord

MOAR HATE ON TEH POORS by tcot fake “Christian”
Jesus would so kick ur ass

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53 GeneJockey  Sep 17, 2014 11:41:57am

re: #50 Pie-onist Overlord

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Same answer to “Welfare pays more than work!” The problem isn’t that welfare pays too much. It’s that work pays too little.

54 CuriousLurker  Sep 17, 2014 11:43:07am

re: #50 Pie-onist Overlord

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Ask them what the actual soldier’s pay is if you include, health, dental, housing, food, etc. that’s provided by the military/taxpayers.

55 Pie-onist Overlord  Sep 17, 2014 11:44:26am

re: #54 CuriousLurker

Ask them what the actual soldier’s pay is if you include, health, dental, housing, food, etc. that’s provided by the military/taxpayers.

There are military families who have to take food stamps.

56 Timothy Watson  Sep 17, 2014 11:45:12am

re: #45 Pie-onist Overlord

MOAR HATE ON TEH POORS by tcot fake “Christian”
Jesus would so kick ur ass

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An E-1 with no dependents would also get around ~$1000 in housing allowance every month too. And it was the conservatives who a couple years ago were saying you can’t pay soldiers too much otherwise they might make enough money to get save up, get an education, and get a better job.

Not to mention, the amount of military personnel who are on food stamps which the conservatives love to cut.

57 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Sep 17, 2014 11:46:37am

re: #52 Kragar

Don’t confuse him with facts.

58 GeneJockey  Sep 17, 2014 11:47:17am

But the larger question is why do wingnuts always think the problem is some regular person being paid TOO MUCH, and not some OTHER person being paid TOO LITTLE?

It’s like the bitching about Thuh Yoonyunz - Why should that guy get a raise and have healthcare and a pension when I don’t , rather than, “Why shouldn’t I get a raise and have healthcare and a pension?”

59 Ryan King  Sep 17, 2014 11:47:29am

re: #40 Ryan King

Hoft is outraged by black folk responding with outrage to a (real) injustice.

Hoft is not outraged by the injustice.

That’s about all you need to know.

Even if it’s a perceived injustice, no consideration or empathy given to those that perceive the injustice. With the Brown case there is very clearly injustice, to Brown and the entire community.

Hoft’s outrage is that they had the temerity to complain. I previously thought he was too stupid to understand the idiocy and ignorance he propagates that results in fomenting more hate.

But now I have no doubt he’s a bonafide racist cretin fanning the flames on purpose. He is an idiot, a moron, but he also acts with purpose and sometimes shows a cunning savagery. Repeating oft debunked lies shows that he has no scruples, a willingness to justify the ends despite the means.

And what ends are those?

60 EPR-radar  Sep 17, 2014 11:48:10am

Consevatives get fretful if they are obliged to choose between hating on the poors and hating on non-whites.

They are much happier in cases where poverty strictly follows race lines.

61 jaunte  Sep 17, 2014 11:49:28am

re: #58 GeneJockey

But the larger question is why do wingnuts always think the problem is some regular person being paid TOO MUCH, and not some OTHER person being paid TOO LITTLE?

It’s like the bitching about Thuh Yoonyunz - Why should that guy get a raise and have healthcare and a pension when I don’t , rather than, “Why shouldn’t I get a raise and have healthcare and a pension?”

Same misdirection that caused poor whites to gladly sign up to fight and die for the rich planters’ right to own human farm equipment.

62 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 17, 2014 11:50:15am

smile break:

63 GeneJockey  Sep 17, 2014 11:50:41am

re: #61 jaunte

Same misdirection that caused poor whites to gladly sign up to fight and die for the rich planters’ right to own human farm equipment.

Yeah, but there must be something about them that makes that misdirection successful.

64 EPR-radar  Sep 17, 2014 11:52:09am

re: #59 Ryan King

Even if it’s a perceived injustice, no consideration or empathy given to those that perceive the injustice. With the Brown case there is very clearly injustice, to Brown and the entire community.

Hoft’s outrage is that they had the temerity to complain. I previously thought he was too stupid to understand the idiocy and ignorance he propagates that results in fomenting more hate.

But now I have no doubt he’s a bonafide racist cretin fanning the flames on purpose. He is an idiot, a moron, but he also acts with purpose and sometimes shows a cunning savagery. Repeating oft debunked lies shows that he has no scruples, a willingness to justify the ends despite the means.

And what ends are those?

I think that Hoft is one of the RWNJs that wants to incite race riots, so they can be put down with massively excessive force and ‘validate’ RWNJ racist ideology.

Yes, I am accusing Hoft et al. of working toward a US-style final solution to certain problems that are so vexing to conservatives.

65 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Sep 17, 2014 11:52:30am

re: #62 Backwoods_Sleuth

Her eyes are not smiling.

66 Timothy Watson  Sep 17, 2014 11:52:42am

Anyone know why Chrome isn’t prompting me to update my password at a website after I had to change the previous password due to it expiring?

67 jaunte  Sep 17, 2014 11:53:15am

re: #63 GeneJockey

“You’re not some loser that needs a union to succeed, you’re a proud individualist. Don’t let them tell you you have to pay dues!”

68 Ryan King  Sep 17, 2014 11:53:47am

re: #65 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

Her eyes are not smiling.

Cats can’t smile. They can only scheme and deceive dogs and humanz.

69 EPR-radar  Sep 17, 2014 11:56:00am

re: #67 jaunte

“You’re not some loser that needs a union to succeed, you’re a proud individualist. Don’t let them tell you you have to pay dues!”

Of course, you can’t let any of that individualism show through at ‘cringe and scrape before the boss’ times.

70 WhatEVs  Sep 17, 2014 11:56:00am

re: #26 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

Fox News, various gateway demons pundits and other assorted scum are to blame.

Fox News is a gateway drug to RWNJ websites, Alex Jones and every conspiracy out there.

71 jaunte  Sep 17, 2014 11:58:00am

re: #41 Ace-o-aces

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I can’t believe we still have to explain this shit!

72 Schadenboner  Sep 17, 2014 11:58:52am

It is a bizarre appalling state of mind to believe that someone who works 40 hours a week should not earn enough to live at some minimal standard.

If the work needs to get done by a person then that person, by definition, needs to be able to make enough from that work to live on. It’s fucking basic.

73 GeneJockey  Sep 17, 2014 11:59:55am

re: #72 Schadenboner

It is a bizarre appalling state of mind to believe that someone who works 40 hours a week should not earn enough to live at some minimal standard.

How can I be sure I’m better than him if he’s not treated like shit?
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74 EPR-radar  Sep 17, 2014 12:01:44pm

re: #73 GeneJockey

How can I be sure I’m better than him if he’s not treated like shit?
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Drop the sarcasm and you have 90% or more of GOP populism right there. It is always about finding some ‘other’ to screw over, to distract from the fact that the GOP wants a handful of plutocrats to screw everyone over.

75 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 17, 2014 12:02:34pm

re: #65 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

Her eyes are not smiling.

Much mischief in those eyes!

76 dog philosopher  Sep 17, 2014 12:02:40pm

re: #71 jaunte

Faced with Apocalypse, humans fall apart fighting each other

im getting prepared for the stupocalypse, where republicans finish their takeover of american gummint starting this fall, and turn us into a third world country

77 ObserverArt  Sep 17, 2014 12:03:06pm

Wow. The level of idiocy in some of the tweets Lizards are putting up today is amazing.

And, I have to give some of you credit for trying to enlighten them.

Too bad it will never work. These people are too dense and full of shit to ever change their thinking.

And thank you internet for revealing we still have a ton of racism, lack of education, greed and outright hate for fellow man to get past. For some time it looked like America was moving forward and now that the internet has let the hate out, I’m thinking it is creating even more since people have idiots to model and then they can say “others think this way and are fine with it!”

Sometimes it seems advancements can lead to backward thinking. Wait…what? How does that work?

78 GeneJockey  Sep 17, 2014 12:04:15pm

re: #74 EPR-radar

Drop the sarcasm and you have 90% or more of GOP populism right there. It is always about finding some ‘other’ to screw over, to distract from the fact that the GOP wants a handful of plutocrats to screw everyone over.

They’re like Bennie in “The Mummy.”

79 Pie-onist Overlord  Sep 17, 2014 12:05:04pm

re: #72 Schadenboner

It is a bizarre appalling state of mind to believe that someone who works 40 hours a week should not earn enough to live at some minimal standard.

If the work needs to get done by a person then that person, by definition, needs to be able to make enough from that work to live on. It’s fucking basic.

It is a Thing with wingnuts that there has to be a permanent underclass of Untermenschen so that they can feel food about themselves.

80 GeneJockey  Sep 17, 2014 12:05:13pm

re: #76 dog philosopher

im getting prepared for the stupocalypse, where republicans finish their takeover of american gummint starting this fall, and turn us into a third world country

We’ve already exceeded the income and wealth inequality of any Banana Republic.

81 dog philosopher  Sep 17, 2014 12:05:28pm

Ferguson Mob Threatens

rat wing financiers are currently working on the theory that if they finance enuf lying rat wing media, the american people will become stupider and more ignorant

i think this will ultimately not work as well as they would like

82 Feline Fearless Leader  Sep 17, 2014 12:05:45pm

re: #68 Ryan King

Cats can’t smile. They can only scheme and deceive dogs and humanz.

Uneasy lies the head that wears the crown. Though they certainly appear to be having fun when stalking and hunting. Plus they appear pleased when nomming on treats.

83 Lidane  Sep 17, 2014 12:06:27pm

re: #74 EPR-radar

Drop the sarcasm and you have 90% or more of GOP populism right there. It is always about finding some ‘other’ to screw over, to distract from the fact that the GOP wants a handful of plutocrats to screw everyone over.

84 dog philosopher  Sep 17, 2014 12:06:28pm

re: #80 GeneJockey

We’ve already exceeded the income and wealth inequality of any Banana Republic.

up next: kill social security and medicare

hey - anybody here have enough to retire on if social security is deep sixed?

85 Kid A  Sep 17, 2014 12:07:37pm

And Dim Jim the climate scientist chimes in:

“Who knew?
Global Warming will likely cause more snow, ice and bitter cold?
At least, that’s what the liberal media is pushing this week.”

Have you ever heard that increases in global temperatures cause EXTREMES in weather, you fucking lunatic?

86 Feline Fearless Leader  Sep 17, 2014 12:08:03pm

re: #84 dog philosopher

up next: kill social security and medicare

hey - anybody here have enough to retire on if social security is deep sixed?

I would. But I do not consider my financial situation commonplace.

87 klys  Sep 17, 2014 12:08:32pm

re: #84 dog philosopher

up next: kill social security and medicare

hey - anybody here have enough to retire on if social security is deep sixed?

I’m young enough that my retirement plans do not take its existence into account.

88 EPR-radar  Sep 17, 2014 12:08:52pm

re: #83 Lidane

There’s an image that needs to be on the front page of every US newspaper at least once a week. The fact that this doesn’t happen is sufficient to indict US media as being, at best, useless and weak.

89 Rightwingconspirator  Sep 17, 2014 12:09:36pm

Trust in Mass Media Returns to All-Time Low
Six-percentage-point drops in trust among Democrats and Republicans
by Justin McCarthy
WASHINGTON, D.C. — After registering slightly higher trust last year, Americans’ confidence in the media’s ability to report “the news fully, accurately, and fairly” has returned to its previous all-time low of 40%. Americans’ trust in mass media has generally been edging downward from higher levels in the late 1990s and the early 2000s.

Looking at you CNN, Fox and RT.

90 ObserverArt  Sep 17, 2014 12:10:31pm

re: #88 EPR-radar

There’s an image that needs to be on the front page of every US newspaper at least once a week. The fact that this doesn’t happen is sufficient to indict US media as being, at best, useless and weak.

Well, as the great Chuckles Todd said…”It’s not medias job!”

91 EPR-radar  Sep 17, 2014 12:11:43pm

re: #87 klys

I’m young enough that my retirement plans do not take its existence into account.

It is unfortunate that the completely unacceptable idea of the end of social security has been normalized to this extent.

This is a significant propaganda victory for the RWNJs.

92 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Sep 17, 2014 12:12:20pm

re: #89 Rightwingconspirator

Some of the people who hate “the MSM” love them some RT, coz it’s the troof.

93 klys  Sep 17, 2014 12:13:03pm

re: #91 EPR-radar

It is unfortunate that the completely unacceptable idea of the end of social security has been normalized to this extent.

This is a significant propaganda victory for the RWNJs.

I don’t think it’ll be ended, persay. I just have no faith at all in politicians’ willingness to do anything to fix it for the long term.

94 ObserverArt  Sep 17, 2014 12:13:46pm

re: #89 Rightwingconspirator

Trust in Mass Media Returns to All-Time Low
Six-percentage-point drops in trust among Democrats and Republicans
by Justin McCarthy
WASHINGTON, D.C. — After registering slightly higher trust last year, Americans’ confidence in the media’s ability to report “the news fully, accurately, and fairly” has returned to its previous all-time low of 40%. Americans’ trust in mass media has generally been edging downward from higher levels in the late 1990s and the early 2000s.

Looking at you CNN, Fox and RT.

Anymore, it seems you can blame all the major outlets. They are so worried about ratings for advertising, they’d just as soon not report real news. It is by far more important to cover people in line waiting for an Apple release or what dress or suit is worn to the Emmys.

Looking at ALL media. We are so screwed.

95 Feline Fearless Leader  Sep 17, 2014 12:14:52pm

re: #89 Rightwingconspirator

Trust in Mass Media Returns to All-Time Low
Six-percentage-point drops in trust among Democrats and Republicans
by Justin McCarthy
WASHINGTON, D.C. — After registering slightly higher trust last year, Americans’ confidence in the media’s ability to report “the news fully, accurately, and fairly” has returned to its previous all-time low of 40%. Americans’ trust in mass media has generally been edging downward from higher levels in the late 1990s and the early 2000s.

Looking at you CNN, Fox and RT.

And the monied industrial interests continue to win.

They’ve compromised the politicians via campaign spending. They’ve compromised the media via advertising and enslaving news departments to marketing and revenue. And that leaves the average citizen at a complete loss in terms of having influence and getting educated on the issues. Assuming they even have the leisure time to do the research.

And no, the internet at this point is probably not the answer. Without the education and ability to independently research how does one know what web sites can be trusted even then?

96 Ryan King  Sep 17, 2014 12:14:59pm

I hate the MSM cuz it’s biased. So I go to RW media because it’s a better bias.

97 Rightwingconspirator  Sep 17, 2014 12:15:40pm

re: #94 ObserverArt

Particular blogs, NPR, Al Jazeera America and BBC America. Nobody else is even in my channel list.

98 Kragar  Sep 17, 2014 12:16:51pm

Had to fix a typo

99 Feline Fearless Leader  Sep 17, 2014 12:17:09pm

re: #91 EPR-radar

It is unfortunate that the completely unacceptable idea of the end of social security has been normalized to this extent.

This is a significant propaganda victory for the RWNJs.

I made that same assumption about thirty years ago. I assumed when I started my initial retirement savings plan that I would get little in terms of a pension, Social Security, or inheritance. Thus I attempted to maximize the 401K contributions since that was the area I had the most control over where the money was invested and could be accessed (if necessary).

100 Ace-o-aces  Sep 17, 2014 12:17:42pm
101 Charles Johnson  Sep 17, 2014 12:18:58pm
102 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Sep 17, 2014 12:22:34pm

re: #101 Charles Johnson

It’s not just stupid, it’s simply fiction. A lie.

103 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 17, 2014 12:24:04pm

re: #98 Kragar

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Had to fix a typo

So much for the RW mantra “Lost your job? Then get another job even if it’s flipping burgers, instead of loafing on Unemployment.”
And so much for that alleged “Dignity of Work” they keep going on about…

104 lawhawk  Sep 17, 2014 12:26:03pm

re: #101 Charles Johnson

The GOP smears on Booker didn’t take hold during earlier campaigns, so they’re recycling some of the same tired stuff that didn’t work because it wasn’t true.

This is the state of his “journalism”. Repeating stuff that is years old that wasn’t sexual assault or domestic violence then, and isn’t now.

105 Pie-onist Overlord  Sep 17, 2014 12:26:59pm

Why is it “winnable war” when Bryan & his krew force sponsors to drop “Black Jesus” but “religious oppression” when the same thing happens to “Duck Dynasty”?

106 ObserverArt  Sep 17, 2014 12:27:16pm

re: #102 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

It’s not just stupid, it’s simply fiction. A lie.

That little dweeb will bite on anything in his enthusiasm to be the world’s top journalist.

I wonder how many hooks are still left in his mouth?

107 Feline Fearless Leader  Sep 17, 2014 12:27:23pm

re: #103 Backwoods_Sleuth

So much for the RW mantra “Lost your job? Then get another job even if it’s flipping burgers, instead of loafing on Unemployment.”
And so much for that alleged “Dignity of Work” they keep going on about…

A lot of times once you see the words “dignity” and “honor” being bandied about it’s a substitution for “shut up about getting screwed by your betters”.
/

108 Pie-onist Overlord  Sep 17, 2014 12:28:16pm

re: #103 Backwoods_Sleuth

So much for the RW mantra “Lost your job? Then get another job even if it’s flipping burgers, instead of loafing on Unemployment.”
And so much for that alleged “Dignity of Work” they keep going on about…

110 Lidane  Sep 17, 2014 12:31:24pm

re: #105 Pie-onist Overlord

The uproar over Black Jesus is hilarious.

For that matter, so is the show. Heh.

111 Dr. Matt  Sep 17, 2014 12:32:10pm
_______________________ Meeting Leads to Torrents of Outright Racism at Gateway Pundit

I have a feeling Charles can save this as a boilerplate headline for future use….over and over and over…..

112 Single-handed sailor  Sep 17, 2014 12:34:54pm

re: #109 Dr. Matt

Photos show ‘Django Unchained’ actress straddling boyfriend in car: ‘They were f*cking’

Yup.

She’s wearing short pants, how does that work exactly?

113 lawhawk  Sep 17, 2014 12:36:06pm

re: #109 Dr. Matt

Apparently straddling and kissing = intercourse.

No wonder so many people have a weird view of sexuality and sex. They done gone and got it wrong.

114 sagehen  Sep 17, 2014 12:36:40pm

re: #109 Dr. Matt

Photos show ‘Django Unchained’ actress straddling boyfriend in car: ‘They were f*cking’

Yup.

The headline says “photos,” the article doesn’t have any photos.

I feel robbed.

115 b.d.  Sep 17, 2014 12:36:44pm

WHY WON’T THE WHITE HOUSE SPEAK UP ON THE SCOTLAND IND. VOTE? OBAMA NEEDS TO QUIT MEDDLING!!

116 Charles Johnson  Sep 17, 2014 12:36:44pm
117 Kragar  Sep 17, 2014 12:36:50pm
118 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 17, 2014 12:37:13pm

re: #114 sagehen

The headline says “photos,” the article doesn’t have any photos.

I feel robbed.

The photos are at TMZ.

119 Dr. Matt  Sep 17, 2014 12:38:10pm

re: #112 Single-handed sailor

She’s wearing short pants, how does that work exactly?

Open zippers. Pulling the shorts to the side. Dry humping. If I could draw a picture in this textbox, I would.

120 b.d.  Sep 17, 2014 12:38:24pm

re: #116 Charles Johnson

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He’s lying.

121 WhatEVs  Sep 17, 2014 12:38:26pm

Aw…so cute. I gots Teh emailz from the Mooney Times:

Happy Constitution Day!

Celebrate by getting your very own Pocket Constitution App for your Smartphone or Tablet

Download this very special exploration of our nation’s founding documents on this user-friendly app ….

Brought to you by your trusted friends at The Washington Times and Essentials in Education, this clever app includes copies of the Constitution, the Declaration of Independence, the Articles of Confederation and selections from the Federalist Papers and includes a fully annotated lesson plan from Essentials in Education that helps teachers, parents, and others to share valuable lessons about America’s founding documents.

The app also includes essays from prominent Americans celebrating the Constitution and its essential role in America today. Guest writers include: former Reagan administration Attorney General Edwin Meese; Ray Smock, the director of the Robert C. Byrd Center for Legislative Studies; Dr. Ben Carson, former U.S. Appeals Court Judge Patricia Wald; radio show host and former Reagan Justice Department official Mark Levin; former New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg; and Princeton University constitutional scholar Robby George among many others.

Lucky me. And this after an earlier email about Obama comin’ fer yer gunz.

122 Kragar  Sep 17, 2014 12:38:47pm

“Singing in The Rain Christian”

Getting more of a Malcom McDowell version from her not the Gene Kelly version

123 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Sep 17, 2014 12:39:24pm

I didn’t know Prince Philip is a living god.

124 Eventual Carrion  Sep 17, 2014 12:42:06pm

re: #109 Dr. Matt

Photos show ‘Django Unchained’ actress straddling boyfriend in car: ‘They were f*cking’

Yup.

Needs to stop, it can lead to dancing!

125 Dr. Matt  Sep 17, 2014 12:43:52pm

re: #124 Eventual Carrion

Needs to stop, it can lead to dancing!

Only if she shows her ID to prove that she’s old enough to get in the club.

126 WhatEVs  Sep 17, 2014 12:45:05pm

re: #118 Backwoods_Sleuth

The photos are at TMZ.

I see her sitting in his lap. Who would see sex in that? Did I miss something?

127 lawhawk  Sep 17, 2014 12:46:29pm

re: #124 Eventual Carrion

It’s just a jump to the left.
And then a step to the right.
With your hand on your hips.
You bring your knees in tight.
But it’s the pelvic thrust.
They really drive you insane.

Youtube Video

128 Franklin  Sep 17, 2014 12:48:05pm

Just upgraded to iOS8 and 1Password and Safari are now integrated. So no more copy/paste out of 1Password to login to site on the phone. It also integrates with touch ID so you can open your password vault with your finger print.

129 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 17, 2014 12:49:54pm

wow…I can’t get over the luster of the horse’s coat.

130 Varek Raith  Sep 17, 2014 12:51:08pm

re: #129 Backwoods_Sleuth

Who chromed the horse???
/

131 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Sep 17, 2014 12:52:07pm

re: #129 Backwoods_Sleuth

Pearly horsey.

132 WhatEVs  Sep 17, 2014 12:54:47pm

re: #129 Backwoods_Sleuth

wow…I can’t get over the luster of the horse’s coat.

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What a beautiful animal!!

133 Schadenboner  Sep 17, 2014 12:55:01pm

re: #119 Dr. Matt

Open zippers. Pulling the shorts to the side. Dry humping. If I could draw a picture in this textbox, I would.

If my palms weren’t suddenly sweating I’d try drawing one too…

134 Schadenboner  Sep 17, 2014 12:57:23pm

re: #129 Backwoods_Sleuth

wow…I can’t get over the luster of the horse’s coat.

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EEN AMERIKA, SUN SHINE ON HORSE, EEN SOVIET RUSSIA TURKMENISTAN, SUN SHINE FROM HORSE!

135 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 17, 2014 12:58:56pm

re: #129 Backwoods_Sleuth

wow…I can’t get over the luster of the horse’s coat.

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From Wiki:

The Akhal-Teke (/ˌækəlˈtɛk/ or /ˌækəlˈtɛki/; from Turkmen Ahalteke, [ahalˈteke]) is a horse breed from Turkmenistan, where they are a national emblem.[1] They have a reputation for speed and endurance, intelligence, and a distinctive metallic sheen. The shiny coat of palominos and buckskins led to their nickname “Golden Horses”.[2] These horses are adapted to severe climatic conditions and are thought to be one of the oldest existing horse breeds.[3] There are currently about 6,600 Akhal-Tekes in the world, mostly in Turkmenistan and Russia, although they are also found throughout Europe and North America.[4]

There are several theories regarding the original ancestry of the Akhal-Teke, some dating back thousands of years. The tribes of Turkmenistan selectively bred the horses, recording their pedigrees orally and using them for raiding. The breed was used in the losing fight against the Russian Empire, and was subsumed into the Empire along with its country. The Akhal-Teke has influenced many other breeds, including several Russian breeds. There has been extensive crossbreeding with the Thoroughbred to create a fast, long-distance racehorse and as a result all Akhal-Tekes have a Thoroughbred ancestor.[5] The studbook was closed in 1932 [6] The Russians printed the first stud book for the breed in 1941, including over 700 horses.

The Akhal-Teke typically stands between 14.2 and 16 hands (58 and 64 inches, 147 and 163 cm). These horses are well known for those individuals who have a golden buckskin or palomino color, a result of the cream gene, a dilution gene that also produces the perlino and cremello colors. A number of other colors are recognized, including bay, black, chestnut, and grey. Aficionados of the breed claim that the color pattern served as camouflage in the desert.[7] Many Akhal-Tekes have a natural metallic sheen to their coat, particularly noticeable in those with cream gene colors.[8]

136 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Sep 17, 2014 1:01:53pm

I NEED YOUR CLOTHES, YOUR BOOTS AND YOUR LIQUID METAL TERMINATOR HORSE.

137 Charles Johnson  Sep 17, 2014 1:04:23pm
138 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Sep 17, 2014 1:05:39pm

re: #137 Charles Johnson

WHO IS VINCE FOSTER?

139 Kragar  Sep 17, 2014 1:06:57pm

re: #137 Charles Johnson

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I’m thinking we’ll get some good ole “She’s really a lesbian” stories coming out first.

140 CuriousLurker  Sep 17, 2014 1:08:27pm

OT kitteh break, because I’m ridiculously enamored of my 100mm macro lens—it takes beautiful portraits. I seriously need to find some human subjects to practice on because my cats have just about had enough.

Both photos were taken in existing, natural early afternoon light at 1/320 of a sec at f/3.2, ISO 3200. As you can see, even stopped down to f/3.2, the depth of field is very shallow (the camera was focused on the eye in both shots):

Bird-watching, taken from a few feet away

Much closer, but not macro (they don’t like the camera shoved in their faces)

For the inveterate pixel peepers, below is a crop of just the eye from the 2nd photo at 100% (hidden behind a spoiler tag so as not to unnerve anyone with the ginormous cat’s eye, heh).

Note that despite the graininess caused by the somewhat high ISO, you can nonetheless clearly see the window and even the sky, clouds and building across the street reflected in her eye.

Click to Reveal

Crop at 100%

I got a couple of decent shots of my other (black & white) cat, but she looks a lot like Peanut and I didn’t want to give RWC a sad.

Now if only they’d let me get close enough and hold still so I could shoot an actual 1:1 macro of something besides noses or fur…

141 ObserverArt  Sep 17, 2014 1:08:40pm

re: #137 Charles Johnson

[Charles Johnson @Green_Footballs
Follow
Anyone want to bet when Hillary Clinton runs, right wing media will suddenly start pushing a slew of NEW BREAKING stories about Whitewater?]

Hey Mister Peabody, set the wayback machine to 1992, we’ve got a 2016 election to run!

142 Bubblehead II  Sep 17, 2014 1:09:45pm

re: #137 Charles Johnson

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ROSE LAW FIRM!!

143 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Sep 17, 2014 1:09:46pm

re: #139 Kragar

As well as the Suha Arafat photo.

144 Schadenboner  Sep 17, 2014 1:10:52pm

re: #140 CuriousLurker

OT kitteh break, because I’m ridiculously enamored of my 100mm macro lens—it takes beautiful portraits. I seriously need to find some human subjects to practice on because my cats have just about had enough.

Both photos were taken in existing, natural early afternoon light at 1/320 of a sec at f/3.2, ISO 3200. As you can see, even stopped down to f/3.2, the depth of field is very shallow (the camera was focused on the eye in both shots):

Bird-watching, taken from a few feet away

[Embedded image]Much closer, but not macro (they don’t like the camera shoved in their faces)

For the inveterate pixel peepers, below is a crop of just the eye at 100% (hidden behind a spoiler tag so as not to unnerve anyone with the ginormous cat’s eye, heh).

Note that despite the graininess caused by the somewhat high ISO, you can nonetheless clearly see the window and even the sky, clouds and building across the street reflected in her eye.

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I got a couple of decent shots of my other (black & white) cat, but she looks a lot like Peanut and I didn’t want to give RWC a sad.

Now if only they’d let me get close enough and hold still so I could shoot an actual 1:1 macro of something besides noses or fur…

I regret that I have but one +1 to give for this kitteh.

145 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Sep 17, 2014 1:11:08pm

re: #140 CuriousLurker

Hey, I see you in that eye!

146 Eventual Carrion  Sep 17, 2014 1:11:39pm

re: #129 Backwoods_Sleuth

wow…I can’t get over the luster of the horse’s coat.

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That is a fine looking horse. Regal.

147 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Sep 17, 2014 1:11:55pm

OMG JIHADI KITTEH

148 Mike Lamb  Sep 17, 2014 1:12:30pm

re: #45 Pie-onist Overlord

MOAR HATE ON TEH POORS by tcot fake “Christian”
Jesus would so kick ur ass

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Funny how they don’t factor in that the military folks get free housing, food, insurance, clothes, etc.

149 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Sep 17, 2014 1:13:34pm

150 Lidane  Sep 17, 2014 1:14:03pm

re: #137 Charles Johnson

Whitewater!
Stained blue dress!
Monica Lewinsky!
BENGHAZI!
No accomplishments of her own!
“What difference does it make?”
BENGHAZI!
Four dead Americans!

151 b.d.  Sep 17, 2014 1:14:57pm

re: #150 Lidane

TRAVELGATE

152 Charles Johnson  Sep 17, 2014 1:15:26pm
153 Feline Fearless Leader  Sep 17, 2014 1:16:11pm

re: #140 CuriousLurker

My classic photo for lack of depth of field was the head-on shot I took of a horsefly. Unfortunately it’s the front out of focus and the wings in focus instead of vice-versa - which in my opinion would have been a much better shot. :(

Depth of field lacking

154 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Sep 17, 2014 1:16:43pm

One of the things I want to witness is how the fanatic HillaryIs44 site will have to turn 180, coz right now it’s solidly GOP.

155 bratwurst  Sep 17, 2014 1:18:28pm
156 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Sep 17, 2014 1:19:13pm

re: #152 Charles Johnson

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Caterpillar-Face Chuck is sick.

157 Charles Johnson  Sep 17, 2014 1:20:37pm
158 Shiplord Kirel  Sep 17, 2014 1:20:51pm
Then it’s time to kill these idiots and be done with it. You don’t get your way just bcz you threaten violence. The shooting was justified and I’d personally shoot every one of you if I live there and had to deal with you chimps.

[…]

bang! and as many bangs as it takes from the citizen militia to do the job the government just won’t do.

Sooner or later, somehow, a gang of armed RWNJs will come face to face with the objects of their scorn; maybe a protest, maybe a riot, maybe just a loud party. Someone will pull the trigger, panic will set off the rest, and there will be a massacre.
I’m surprised it hasn’t happened yet.

159 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 17, 2014 1:21:10pm

re: #150 Lidane

Whitewater!
Stained blue dress!
Monica Lewinsky!
BENGHAZI!
No accomplishments of her own!
“What difference does it make?”
BENGHAZI!
Four dead Americans!

“I suppose I could have stayed home and baked cookies and had teas…

160 wrenchwench  Sep 17, 2014 1:21:16pm

re: #129 Backwoods_Sleuth

wow…I can’t get over the luster of the horse’s coat.

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One thing leads to another….

Here’s another horse with a fantastic coat.

Youtube Video

161 klys  Sep 17, 2014 1:22:12pm

My macro contribution.

Feel free to chime in and tell me what kind of bird it is, I only know it flew into our door and so I went and sat outside near it to make sure none of the neighborhood cats got it while it recovered.

162 Jenner7  Sep 17, 2014 1:24:37pm
163 Shiplord Kirel  Sep 17, 2014 1:24:39pm

re: #155 bratwurst

YOU GUYS. Dan Quayle is giving us his take on Scottish independence on Fox News right now! Surely, his analysis is what we’ve been missing.

I can scarcely wait.
//
Actually, Quayle looks like Teddy Roosevelt next to the current GOP crop.

164 Rightwingconspirator  Sep 17, 2014 1:24:51pm

re: #140 CuriousLurker

Nice shots, love the eye crop. Your Rebel is showing less noise than my 7D at that ISO I think. That’s one of the things that is improving fast with all the digital cameras.

165 Lidane  Sep 17, 2014 1:25:41pm

re: #158 Shiplord Kirel

Sooner or later, somehow, a gang of armed RWNJs will come face to face with the objects of their scorn; maybe a protest, maybe a riot, maybe just a loud party. Someone will pull the trigger, panic will set off the rest, and there will be a massacre.
I’m surprised it hasn’t happened yet.

It would’ve happened if the Open Carry Texas dipshits had gone into the Fifth Ward with their guns on, and they know it.

166 Eventual Carrion  Sep 17, 2014 1:26:52pm

re: #161 klys

My macro contribution.

Feel free to chime in and tell me what kind of bird it is, I only know it flew into our door and so I went and sat outside near it to make sure none of the neighborhood cats got it while it recovered.

Yellow throat warbler maybe?

167 Feline Fearless Leader  Sep 17, 2014 1:27:12pm

re: #161 klys

My macro contribution.

Feel free to chime in and tell me what kind of bird it is, I only know it flew into our door and so I went and sat outside near it to make sure none of the neighborhood cats got it while it recovered.

My initial guess would be a Western Tanager. Possibly a male in non-breeding plumage.

en.wikipedia.org

168 Kragar  Sep 17, 2014 1:29:44pm
169 Lidane  Sep 17, 2014 1:30:44pm

Lolwut:

Newt Gingrich: Obama Golfs Arrogantly

“You know when you’re up on Mount Olympus, it is so painful to deal with mere mortals, and I think there is a lot of that in Obama,” he said. “The arrogance of the way he golfs, the arrogance of his total lack of sensitivity to anybody else’s opinion, anybody else’s view, anybody else’s values, those are not very good signs for him learning and he’s more likely to stumble through the last two years.”

170 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Sep 17, 2014 1:30:50pm

re: #168 Kragar

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Why assume consciousness?

171 Eventual Carrion  Sep 17, 2014 1:32:12pm

re: #169 Lidane

Lolwut:

Newt Gingrich: Obama Golfs Arrogantly

He’s a decider.
He’s the decision maker.
Watch this drive.

172 lostlakehiker  Sep 17, 2014 1:32:16pm

Hoft doesn’t say that Wilson knew, at least not in the piece quoted. He says that the shooting took place after the robbery. That is fact. Is it relevant? Perhaps, because, after all, Brown knew. And what a person knows can influence how they act next. There will be a trial and this all can get sorted out. But I would guess that at trial, the robbery will be introduced into evidence on the grounds that jurors trying to figure out which reports are credible need to know whatever may be available about Brown’s likely frame of mind at the time.

Not that this will save Wilson. The evidence that’s in the public domain, taken as a whole, doesn’t look good for him. But at trials, all the evidence, not just what helps the prosecution, goes into the scales.

173 CuriousLurker  Sep 17, 2014 1:34:38pm

re: #153 Feline Fearless Leader

My classic photo for lack of depth of field was the head-on shot I took of a horsefly. Unfortunately it’s the front out of focus and the wings in focus instead of vice-versa - which in my opinion would have been a much better shot. :(

Depth of field lacking

Yeah, it’s especially difficult with skittish, fast moving subjects. The cat was sitting at the foot of my bed, probably about 3-4 feet from the window, and several shots were ruined by her head suddenly whipping around to follow the flight of a bird past the window. (There’s a bush under the window on the lower right where birds like to congregate—it drives the cats nuts when they’re sitting directly on the window sill, especially if the window is open and there’s only the screen between them.)

At least there are no squirrels though. When I lived in Jersey City they were awful—when the cats where sitting at the window, they’d crawl up the side of the building (I lived on the 2nd floor) and taunt them, chattering at them just out of reach. They used to screw around with the outdoor cats too, mostly by charging at them then running away laughing maniacally (or so I imagined: “Yo, Frank, watch this…*fake bum rushes cats reclining in sun* Dude, did you see the way they jumped? Bwahahaha!”)

174 bratwurst  Sep 17, 2014 1:36:00pm

(BTW been lucky enough to visit 30 countries, and Sarajevo about 6 years ago was probably the greatest travel experience of my life!)

175 The War TARDIS  Sep 17, 2014 1:36:26pm

re: #115 b.d.

Uh oh, Aye Pod will get the haterade on now.

176 wrenchwench  Sep 17, 2014 1:36:42pm

re: #172 lostlakehiker

Hoft doesn’t say that Wilson knew, at least not in the piece quoted. He says that the shooting took place after the robbery. That is fact. Is it relevant? Perhaps, because, after all, Brown knew. And what a person knows can influence how they act next. There will be a trial and this all can get sorted out.

Won’t be a trial if there’s no arrest.

But I would guess that at trial, the robbery will be introduced into evidence on the grounds that jurors trying to figure out which reports are credible need to know whatever may be available about Brown’s likely frame of mind at the time.

Ordinarily, the murderer’s frame of mind is at issue, not the victim’s. Why is this one different?

Not that this will save Wilson. The evidence that’s in the public domain, taken as a whole, doesn’t look good for him. But at trials, all the evidence, not just what helps the prosecution, goes into the scales.

Again, the assumption that there will be a trial, is only an assumption so far.

177 CuriousLurker  Sep 17, 2014 1:36:50pm

re: #161 klys

My macro contribution.

Feel free to chime in and tell me what kind of bird it is, I only know it flew into our door and so I went and sat outside near it to make sure none of the neighborhood cats got it while it recovered.

I dunno, but it’s gorgeous. What a great shot!

178 Shiplord Kirel  Sep 17, 2014 1:36:58pm

Kook site “The Blaze” posted a nifty video of F/A-18s flying through a canyon below some hikers near Death Valley.

Well and good, but one poster is suspicious, suspicious I say:

Why are there no markings on these jets? Exactly who is flying them, and where are they based?

*Dumps all the desks in the world into canyon, drops a nuke.*

To belabor the obvious, there are markings on them, of the low visibility type that all combat aircraft have these days, and they are even visible in the video. To their credit, some of the Blazers immediately set the paranoid poster straight, even naming the unit and its base (NAS Lemoore) but I am not sure the explanation succeeds.

179 Decatur Deb  Sep 17, 2014 1:37:19pm

re: #161 klys

My macro contribution.

Feel free to chime in and tell me what kind of bird it is, I only know it flew into our door and so I went and sat outside near it to make sure none of the neighborhood cats got it while it recovered.

Image: Lesser_Goldfinch_m50-2-015_l_1.jpg

Lesser Goldfinch, if around here. No telling what kind of demonic California variant it might be.

180 Schadenboner  Sep 17, 2014 1:37:49pm

re: #169 Lidane

Lolwut:

Newt Gingrich: Obama Golfs Arrogantly

It’s just fruit cocktail madlibs, all the way down.

181 bratwurst  Sep 17, 2014 1:38:10pm
182 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Sep 17, 2014 1:39:09pm

re: #172 lostlakehiker

It’s not about whether it’s relevant in general. Yes, it would be introduced at the trial, if it ever takes place.

It’s about how Hoft frames the issue, making it seem that the robbery is the direct cause of the incident.

183 Feline Fearless Leader  Sep 17, 2014 1:40:12pm

re: #173 CuriousLurker

Yeah, it’s especially difficult with skittish, fast moving subjects. The cat was sitting at the foot of my bed, probably about 3-4 feet form the window, and several shots were ruined by her head suddenly whipping around to follow the flight of a bird past the window. (There’s a bush under the window on the lower right where birds like to congregate—it drives the cats nuts when they’re sitting directly on the window sill, especially if the window is open and there’s only the screen between them.)

At least there are no squirrels though. When I lived in Jersey City they were awful—when the cats where sitting at the window, they’d crawl up the side of the building (I lived on the 2nd floor) and taunt them, chattering at them just out of reach. They used to screw around with the outdoor cats too, mostly by charging at them then running away laughing maniacally (or so I imagined: “Yo, Frank, watch this…*fake bum rushes cats reclining in sun* Dude, did you see the way they jumped? Bwahahaha!”)

The squirrels that thought the height of fun was going ten feet up a tree on branch to scold the cats at my brother’s place had this odd habit of coming down with cases of lead poisoning.

My brother had a running feud with them, especially red squirrels, due to one getting into his attic and causing havoc. Thus a continuing shooting war with them since his house rests in a grove of maple, hickory, and a few oak trees. Nothing to draw rodents like living in the middle of an acre of natural squirrel food.

184 Rightwingconspirator  Sep 17, 2014 1:40:42pm

re: #177 CuriousLurker

I have an assignment macro job this weekend. Need to get captivating images of various kinds of wire all about as thin as a hair. Also a few pieces of plain rectangular sheets of metal about an inch by inch and a half. Sales catalog quality. I think the wire is the challenge.

185 Schadenboner  Sep 17, 2014 1:42:27pm

re: #184 Rightwingconspirator

I think the wire is the challenge.

Well, just hold on to Jesus’ hand.

186 Decatur Deb  Sep 17, 2014 1:42:38pm

Pistol-Packin’ Soccer Mom Shot Dead

newser.com

Comment would be redundant.

187 Ace-o-aces  Sep 17, 2014 1:43:35pm
188 Feline Fearless Leader  Sep 17, 2014 1:43:46pm

re: #179 Decatur Deb

Image: Lesser_Goldfinch_m50-2-015_l_1.jpg

Lesser Goldfinch, if around here. No telling what kind of demonic California variant it might be.

I guessed tanager due to recalling that Klys resides west of the Rockies. And the bit of yellow tail flash appears to back up my guess. If an eastern bird my initial guess would have been something related to a goldfinch.

189 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Sep 17, 2014 1:45:11pm

re: #187 Ace-o-aces

It’s a travesty they had instated it in the first place, under Obama, no less. But ok.

190 Decatur Deb  Sep 17, 2014 1:45:16pm

re: #188 Feline Fearless Leader

I guessed tanager due to recalling that Klys resides west of the Rockies. And the bit of yellow tail flash appears to back up my guess. If an eastern bird my initial guess would have been something related to a goldfinch.

Checked the range—it’s actually in her region, not this far east. We have REAL Goldfinches.

birds.audubon.org

191 CuriousLurker  Sep 17, 2014 1:45:45pm

re: #184 Rightwingconspirator

I have an assignment macro job this weekend. Need to get captivating images of various kinds of wire all about as thin as a hair. Also a few pieces of plain rectangular sheets of metal about an inch by inch and a half. Sales catalog quality. I think the wire is the challenge.

Wow, yeah, that definitely sounds like a challenge. After the shoot, be sure to let us know what you learned.

192 Dr Lizardo  Sep 17, 2014 1:46:06pm

re: #187 Ace-o-aces

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I felt a great disturbance in the Force Derp, as if millions of voices wingnuts suddenly cried out in terror rage and were suddenly silenced.

193 Bubblehead II  Sep 17, 2014 1:47:19pm

re: #187 Ace-o-aces

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Bryans head is going to explode.

194 Feline Fearless Leader  Sep 17, 2014 1:47:47pm

re: #184 Rightwingconspirator

I have an assignment macro job this weekend. Need to get captivating images of various kinds of wire all about as thin as a hair. Also a few pieces of plain rectangular sheets of metal about an inch by inch and a half. Sales catalog quality. I think the wire is the challenge.

Is providing something in the photo that helps indicate scale part of the assignment? That could help provide something interesting in the background/foreground to contrast the wire or metal sheets against.

A pattern surrounding a coin, or a fan of wires beside a comb. Who knows.

195 Ace-o-aces  Sep 17, 2014 1:48:12pm

re: #193 Bubblehead II

Bryans head is going to explode.

We should be so lucky.

196 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Sep 17, 2014 1:48:40pm

re: #174 bratwurst

Photo of women and children in the street together: A Muslim veiled woman, Zejneba Hardaga (right) and Jewish woman, Rivka Kalb (2nd from right) and her children (with beret) are guided on the streets of Sarajevo in 1941. Zejneba covered the yellow star on the Rivka’s left arm with her veil. Bahrija Hardasa, sister-in-law of Zejneba, is on the far left.

beretandboina.blogspot.ca

197 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 17, 2014 1:50:53pm

re: #181 bratwurst

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198 Bubblehead II  Sep 17, 2014 1:51:02pm

re: #195 Ace-o-aces

We should be so lucky.

Well I had planned on staying off the twitters today, but his response should be interesting.

199 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Sep 17, 2014 1:52:22pm

yadvashem.org

In April 1941 when the Germans invaded Yugoslavia, Sarajevo was bombed from the air. The home of the Kavilio family was destroyed. They had fled to the hills when the bombing began, and were now without a home. As they were walking to the family factory, they met Mustafa Hardaga, a Muslim friend who was the owner of the factory building. He immediately offered them to stay at his house.

The Hardagas were observant Muslims. The household included Mustafa and his wife Zejneba, and his brother Izet and wife Bachriya. According to their Muslim tradition, the women were supposed to wear a veil and cover their faces in front of strangers. Having a strange man sleep at their home was a most unusual step. However, as Zejneba described many years later, their husbands welcomed the Kavilios and told them that they would now be part of the family. “Our home is your home”, they said, and to demonstrate this point, the women were not obliged to cover their faces in the presence of Josef Kavilio, since he was now a member of the family.

The Kavilio family stayed with the Hardagas for a short while until Josef Kavilio was able to move his wife and children to Mostar, in an area under Italian control, where Jews were relatively safe. Kavilio himself stayed behind to liquidate his business. Eventually he was arrested and imprisoned by the Ustasa. Because of the heavy snow, the prisoners could not be transferred from Sarajevo to the infamous Jasenovac camp near Zagreb, where the Croatians systematically killed Serbs, Jews and Roma. Instead the prisoners were taken, with their legs chained, to clear the roads from snow. This is where Zejneba saw Kvilio. Kavilio later testified that he saw her standing at the street corner, her face traditionally veiled, watching the plight of their family friend with tears in her eyes. Undisturbed by the danger, she began to bring food to the prisoners.

Josef Kavilio eventually managed to escape and returned to the Hardaga home. The family welcomed him warmly and nursed him back to health. The Gestapo headquarters were nearby, and the danger was immense. In his testimony Josef described the notices on the walls threatening those who would hide Serbs and Jews with the death penalty. Not wanting to endanger the Hardagas life, Josef decided to flee to Mostar and join his family.

After September 1943, when the Italian areas came under German occupation, the Kavilio family had to move yet again. They fled to the mountains and joined the partisans. After the war they returned to Sarajevo. Again they stayed with the Hardagas until they could find a place of their own. The Hardagas also returned the jewelry that the Kavilio family had left with them for safekeeping.

It was then that they learned that Zejneba’s father, Ahmed Sadik, had been hiding a Jewish by the name of Papo in his home. He did not survive the war. He was caught, arrested and killed in Jasenovac.

The Kavilio family immigrated to Israel. In 1984 they asked Yad Vashem to recognize the Hardaga family and Ahmed Sadik as Righteous Among the Nations. A year later, Zejneba Hardaga came to Israel to plant a tree in her family’s name.

Fifty years after the Holocaust, when in 1994 Sarajevo was under the attack of Serb forces, Zejneba and her family were in great distress. With the help of the Joint Distribution Committee, Yad Vashem appealed to the President of Bosnia to permit Zejneba to come to Israel. In February 1994 Zejneba, her daughter her husband and child arrived in Israel and were welcomed by government officials, representatives of Yad Vashem and the Kavilios. The Hardagas had sheltered a Jewish family during the darkest period in Jewish history. It was now the State of Israel that paid back the debt and helped the Hardagas in their time of distress.

It was probably this deep bond that prompted Zejneba’s daughter - Sarah Pecanac - and her family to convert to Judaism. “It is only natural that I should want to become Jewish. It is an honor for me to belong to these people”, she explained. She closed yet another circle, when she began working for Yad Vashem, where the story of her family is exhibited in the museum, where the file about the family is kept in the archive of the Righteous Among the Nations, and where a tree was planted by her mother in honor of her family’s courage and humanity.

200 Lidane  Sep 17, 2014 1:53:20pm

OK. Seriously? Two days in a row? This is bullshit. There is something here in this building that quite literally makes my skin itch.

Imma have to start taking Benadryl just to get through the work day. This stinks.

201 Jenner7  Sep 17, 2014 1:54:17pm

John McCain is a smug son of a bitch. I don’t give a shit if he’s a war hero either. His demeanor during these hearings come off as childish and condescending. I’m betting he’ll run right to Fox News after they are done for the day. Dick.

202 klys  Sep 17, 2014 1:55:09pm

re: #190 Decatur Deb

Checked the range—it’s actually in her region, not this far east. We have REAL Goldfinches.

birds.audubon.org

Since I asked you all to chime in, I ended up doing some looking too.

I’m pretty sure at this point it is a yellow-rumped warbler. EC was closest in that sense. :)

203 Schadenboner  Sep 17, 2014 1:56:35pm

re: #199 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

yadvashem.org

Damnit, now I have dust in my eye.

…Both eyes.

…Shut up.

204 b_sharp  Sep 17, 2014 1:56:37pm

re: #202 klys

Since I asked you all to chime in, I ended up doing some looking too.

I’m pretty sure at this point it is a yellow-rumped warbler. EC was closest in that sense. :)

Up here we have Red Rumped Bumblers

205 Rightwingconspirator  Sep 17, 2014 1:57:55pm

re: #191 CuriousLurker

I’ll post a link to the webpage when they go up. And thanks for thinking of me on your shot choices. It would be fine, I’m gathering shots of her for a collage or look book. BTW here is a Macro shot I did years ago. Spent all freaking day on it. And that was all practice for a shot I did a week later of a 52 carat Heart shape diamond that was graded FL or flawless. I had to get it right in 30 minutes or less. Security at at that diamond house was tight!

Big CZ, shot with Canon 40D

206 Jenner7  Sep 17, 2014 1:57:55pm
207 goddamnedfrank  Sep 17, 2014 1:58:47pm

re: #202 klys

Since I asked you all to chime in, I ended up doing some looking too.

I’m pretty sure at this point it is a yellow-rumped warbler. EC was closest in that sense. :)

Doesn’t have a yellow throat.

208 CuriousLurker  Sep 17, 2014 1:59:54pm

re: #161 klys

My macro contribution.

Feel free to chime in and tell me what kind of bird it is, I only know it flew into our door and so I went and sat outside near it to make sure none of the neighborhood cats got it while it recovered.

I think I found it: It looks like an Audubon’s warbler, the western counterpart of four closely related North American birds “periodically lumped [together] as the yellow-rumped warbler.”

209 Dr Lizardo  Sep 17, 2014 1:59:58pm

re: #203 Schadenboner

Damnit, now I have dust in my eyes.

…Both eyes.

…Shut up.

Read up on this fellow; Chiune Sugihara, Japanese diplomat.

en.wikipedia.org

210 CuriousLurker  Sep 17, 2014 2:00:42pm

re: #202 klys

Since I asked you all to chime in, I ended up doing some looking too.

I’m pretty sure at this point it is a yellow-rumped warbler. EC was closest in that sense. :)

Heh, you figured it out at the same time I did.

211 klys  Sep 17, 2014 2:01:03pm

re: #207 goddamnedfrank

Doesn’t have a yellow throat.

Western male (“Audubon’s Warbler”) has yellow throat, large white patch in folded wing.

212 Feline Fearless Leader  Sep 17, 2014 2:01:07pm

re: #206 Jenner7

Tomorrow’s resolution will concern High Volume Exhortations at Visible Aerial Collections of Water Vapor.
//

213 Decatur Deb  Sep 17, 2014 2:03:13pm

re: #207 goddamnedfrank

Doesn’t have a yellow throat.

I’ll give her ‘warbler’, though. The beak is too light for a finch.

214 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Sep 17, 2014 2:03:18pm
Seven years later a new conflict began. This time it was a deadly civil war, and Sarajevo was besieged. The siege lasted 4 years and claimed more than 11,000 lives. Zeinaba was now in her seventies, and in poor health. On top of that, her Muslim daughter Sara was married to a Serbian Christian man, and they were living on the front line between the two warring areas of Sarajevo. Relentless bombing forced the family underground for six months.

“You don’t need a clock, you don’t need a calendar, the year means nothing, it’s as if time has stopped as you wait every day for 6 months, for someone to come to kill you. It could be a Serbian coming to kill me, or a Muslim coming to kill my husband. And the most terrible thing was that this was happening at the end of the 20th century in the heart of Europe,” said Sara Pecanac.

dw.de

215 Shiplord Kirel  Sep 17, 2014 2:04:09pm

The unveiling and dedication of the Timothy Cole Memorial went very well today, in spite of clouds and intermittent sprinkles. Governor Perry led the list of speakers, who included my old friend Todd Klein. Todd was instrumental in getting approval for the memorial to be placed on city property. Kevin Glasheen, the attorney who paid for the memorial, had been Todd’s opponent in the latter’s first city council election but the two worked closely on the project.

216 Charles Johnson  Sep 17, 2014 2:05:13pm

re: #172 lostlakehiker

Hoft doesn’t say that Wilson knew, at least not in the piece quoted.

And of course, I didn’t write that he said that, either. Here’s what I wrote in case you missed it:

Hoft repeatedly conflates these two issues as if they’re connected.

Which he does.

217 b.d.  Sep 17, 2014 2:05:42pm
218 goddamnedfrank  Sep 17, 2014 2:06:45pm

re: #211 klys

Missed that. However google images of male Audobon’s Warblers show a prominent yellow tuft on the head as well, which is missing.

219 Decatur Deb  Sep 17, 2014 2:08:01pm

re: #218 goddamnedfrank

Missed that. However google images of male Audobon’s Warblers show a prominent yellow tuft on the head as well, which is missing.

Watch it. I’ve seen these things come to blows.

220 goddamnedfrank  Sep 17, 2014 2:08:02pm

re: #213 Decatur Deb

I’ll give her ‘warbler’, though. The beak is too light for a finch.

It could be a Decepticon. That’s how they roll.

221 ObserverArt  Sep 17, 2014 2:09:23pm

re: #171 Eventual Carrion

Newt Gingrich: Obama Golfs Arrogantly

He’s a decider.
He’s the decision maker.
Watch this drive.

I’m surprised he got that wrong. Uncle Newty is usually an expert at arrogance.

/

222 Shiplord Kirel  Sep 17, 2014 2:11:21pm

re: #215 Shiplord Kirel

Forgot to mention, gubernatorial candidates Greg Abbott and Wendy Davis both spoke at the dedication today. They were all sweetness and light when they met, though the knives were probably hidden nearby. It was no time for politics and nobody brought it up.

223 Bubblehead II  Sep 17, 2014 2:12:18pm

re: #217 b.d.

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Yet CNN has a story up saying he took a voluntary leave while his appeal is pending. Which is it?

(CNN) — Carolina Panthers star defensive end Greg Hardy, who has been granted a new trial this fall after a domestic violence conviction in May, has taken a voluntary leave with pay until his legal matters are resolved, the team announced Wednesday.

“This was his decision,” Panthers general manager Dave Gettleman told reporters.

224 klys  Sep 17, 2014 2:12:49pm

re: #218 goddamnedfrank

Missed that. However google images of male Audobon’s Warblers show a prominent yellow tuft on the head as well, which is missing.

I’m happy to settle for saying that the bird in my image appears to match at least one photo on the Audubon website (second one) and that is good enough for me. I don’t track bird sightings (clearly) and I haven’t seen a better match thus far.

225 goddamnedfrank  Sep 17, 2014 2:14:24pm

re: #224 klys

I’m happy to settle for saying that the bird in my image appears to match at least one photo on the Audubon website (second one) and that is good enough for me. I don’t track bird sightings (clearly) and I haven’t seen a better match thus far.

Let’s agree that it’s definitely some kind of nefarious alien robot pretending to be an Audobon warbler, m’kay?

226 Feline Fearless Leader  Sep 17, 2014 2:16:55pm

Left Coast Moocher Warbler (Parulidae Liberalis) it is then.

;)

//

227 CuriousLurker  Sep 17, 2014 2:19:36pm

re: #218 goddamnedfrank

Missed that. However google images of male Audobon’s Warblers show a prominent yellow tuft on the head as well, which is missing.

Maybe a female then. They appear not to have the yellow crown.

Huh, learn something new every day—I didn’t realize that birds can have different plumage in different seasons the way some mammals have different fur (the gallery on the Wiki page shows a female Audubon’s warbler in gray “winter plumage” next to the one I linked to above).

228 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 17, 2014 2:19:46pm

re: #223 Bubblehead II

Yet CNN has a story up saying he took a voluntary leave while his appeal is pending. Which is it?

(CNN) — Carolina Panthers star defensive end Greg Hardy, who has been granted a new trial this fall after a domestic violence conviction in May, has taken a voluntary leave with pay until his legal matters are resolved, the team announced Wednesday.

“This was his decision,” Panthers general manager Dave Gettleman told reporters.

What a sacrifice….

/////

229 BeachDem  Sep 17, 2014 2:31:38pm

re: #221 ObserverArt

I’m surprised he got that wrong. Uncle Newty is usually an expert at arrogance.

/

Who are you calling arrogant?

230 wrenchwench  Sep 17, 2014 2:34:33pm

re: #227 CuriousLurker

Maybe a female then. They appear not to have the yellow crown.

That one looks like the same exact bird as Klys’s.

231 I Stand With Big Sodomy!  Sep 17, 2014 5:15:32pm

I had no idea we had so many bird nerds on this site.

232 lostlakehiker  Sep 17, 2014 5:51:16pm

re: #176 wrenchwench

Won’t be a trial if there’s no arrest.

Ordinarily, the murderer’s frame of mind is at issue, not the victim’s. Why is this one different?

Again, the assumption that there will be a trial, is only an assumption so far.

Why is this one different? The defense theory of what happened will surely be that Brown started a fight. And then the question will be, is that even plausible that he would do that? And the Wilson defense team will want to argue that yes it’s plausible, because Brown would have known that he had just robbed a store and would have feared that this stop was related to that. Whenever there is trouble between two or more people, it helps to know what can be known about the frame of mind that all of them were in.

The prosecution will be going over anything that was tweeted, posted, blogged, etc. on Wilson’s part. Quite rightly. Here, we have a vacuum of information in the public domain but perhaps more is known to the grand jury. At any rate, everything has to be gathered up.


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