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1 psddluva4evah  Sep 22, 2014 6:08:13pm

I’m always late, just caught Gotham on FOX.

the Gotham premiere was solid, and Jada Pinkett Smith did her damn thing!!! I wasn’t sold on this whole Fish Mooney character, but she was pretty badass

I’ll be adding it to my list.

2 Kragar  Sep 22, 2014 6:09:32pm

re: #1 psddluva4evah

I’m always late, just caught Gotham on FOX.

the Gotham premiere was solid, and Jada Pinkett Smith did her damn thing!!! I wasn’t sold on this whole Fish Mooney character, but she was pretty badass

I’ll be adding it to my list.

Put it on record

3 dog philosopher  Sep 22, 2014 6:09:52pm

debate topic:

presidents are like every major figure in the old testament

no matter what they might have done right, every single one of them did at least one reprehensible and unforgivable thing

4 Kragar  Sep 22, 2014 6:12:03pm

Seriously, if your answer to bullying and abuse is that the victims needs to be the one who changes their behavior, you can fuck right off

5 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Sep 22, 2014 6:12:38pm

re: #3 dog philosopher

Maybe the ones we don’t remember about didn’t?

6 Charles Johnson  Sep 22, 2014 6:18:08pm
7 Eventual Carrion  Sep 22, 2014 6:20:02pm

re: #4 Kragar

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Seriously, if your answer to bullying and abuse is that the victims needs to be the one who changes their behavior, you can fuck right off

You should dress more conservative when venturing onto the ‘Nets.

// Oh and it tastes like cherry cola

8 Eventual Carrion  Sep 22, 2014 6:20:28pm

LOLA

9 Bubblehead II  Sep 22, 2014 6:20:50pm

re: #1 psddluva4evah

I’m always late, just caught Gotham on FOX.

the Gotham premiere was solid, and Jada Pinkett Smith did her damn thing!!! I wasn’t sold on this whole Fish Mooney character, but she was pretty badass

I’ll be adding it to my list.

10 b_sharp  Sep 22, 2014 6:21:21pm

re: #3 dog philosopher

debate topic:

presidents are like every major figure in the old testament

no matter what they might have done right, every single one of them did at least one reprehensible and unforgivable thing

I vote purple.

11 Skip Intro  Sep 22, 2014 6:22:23pm

How about this for a debate topic? In 12 to 18 months, if the current unprecedented drought continues (and the NWS just predicted it will) in the Southwest, Southern California will run out of water for its 22 million residents.

What do you see happening when that happens? Why does no one care? Is there a single national politician who even knows?

12 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Sep 22, 2014 6:22:40pm

re: #10 b_sharp

I vote purple.

That you?

13 Jenner7  Sep 22, 2014 6:23:30pm
14 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Sep 22, 2014 6:23:58pm

Hmm, who is Sparsam?

15 psddluva4evah  Sep 22, 2014 6:24:19pm

I hate being late and on twitter, so I’ll have to stay off until I get caught up.

Now watching Sleepy Hollow on Fox. Loved the show last season, hope it stays at this season.

I wanted to check out Scorpion on CBS, but forgot about it. I also want to see show on ABC called “Forever”

16 Decatur Deb  Sep 22, 2014 6:25:42pm

re: #11 Skip Intro

How about this for a debate topic? In 12 to 18 months, if the current unprecedented drought continues (and the NWS just predicted it will) in the Southwest, Southern California will run out of water for its 22 million residents.

What do you see happening when that happens? Why does no one care? Is there a single national politician who even knows?

At what point do you stop calling it ‘drought’ and start calling it ‘desert’?

17 PhillyPretzel  Sep 22, 2014 6:25:52pm

re: #13 Jenner7

PBS just finished showing The Roosevelts. Isn’t that enough?

18 dog philosopher  Sep 22, 2014 6:26:16pm

re: #10 b_sharp

I vote purple.

they’re the worst

19 dog philosopher  Sep 22, 2014 6:26:49pm

re: #17 PhillyPretzel

PBS just finished showing The Roosevelts. Isn’t that enough?

im enjoying it, altho at 14 hours im wondering just how much roosevelts a person can take

20 Bubblehead II  Sep 22, 2014 6:26:50pm

re: #11 Skip Intro

How about this for a debate topic? In 12 to 18 months, if the current unprecedented drought continues (and the NWS just predicted it will) in the Southwest, Southern California will run out of water for its 22 million residents.

What do you see happening when that happens? Why does no one care? Is there a single national politician who even knows?

IT’S CALIFORNIA, THEIR ALL LIBRULS, WHO CARES 11TY

21 b_sharp  Sep 22, 2014 6:27:25pm

re: #18 dog philosopher

they’re the worst

The beat you black and blue.

22 NJDhockeyfan  Sep 22, 2014 6:28:13pm

re: #1 psddluva4evah

I’m always late, just caught Gotham on FOX.

the Gotham premiere was solid, and Jada Pinkett Smith did her damn thing!!! I wasn’t sold on this whole Fish Mooney character, but she was pretty badass

I’ll be adding it to my list.

23 Skip Intro  Sep 22, 2014 6:28:51pm

re: #20 Bubblehead II

Well, you’re all going to care because we grow most of your food. So where will the remaining water go, people or agriculture?

24 b.d.  Sep 22, 2014 6:29:04pm

Why do I read Politico?

Indeed, progressive commentators can establish their intellectual seriousness in the prestige media by supporting cuts in Social Security and Medicare, just as conservative pundits can break ranks and prove they are not Neanderthals by supporting increases in legal immigration as well as legal status for most illegal immigrants resident in the United States.

Read more: politico.com

Oh the sacrifices being asked upon republicans!

25 Eventual Carrion  Sep 22, 2014 6:30:38pm

Good day!

26 NJDhockeyfan  Sep 22, 2014 6:32:15pm

Breaking right now…

27 NJDhockeyfan  Sep 22, 2014 6:33:30pm
28 klys  Sep 22, 2014 6:36:48pm

Of course, because there have been below-average temperatures in part of the US, it couldn’t possibly be true.

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29 Bubblehead II  Sep 22, 2014 6:36:49pm

re: #16 Decatur Deb

At what point do you stop calling it ‘drought’ and start calling it ‘desert’?

Actually, it’s returning to what it was before Colorado river water was diverted to turn it into (as we now know) an unsustainable oasis.

Desalination plants are being built. But will they come online in time? Will they produce enough? That is anyone’s guess.

30 teleskiguy  Sep 22, 2014 6:38:01pm

re: #27 NJDhockeyfan

@PentagonPresSec: US military & partner nation forces have begun striking ISIL targets in Syria using mix of fighters, bombers and Tomahawk missiles.
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OBUMMER IS LEADING FROM BEHIND

31 stpaulbear  Sep 22, 2014 6:38:06pm

re: #11 Skip Intro

How about this for a debate topic? In 12 to 18 months, if the current unprecedented drought continues (and the NWS just predicted it will) in the Southwest, Southern California will run out of water for its 22 million residents.

What do you see happening when that happens? Why does no one care? Is there a single national politician who even knows?

I see a growing travel industry between LA and Duluth, MN, where 10 gallon jugs are allowed as carry on luggage.

Edit: If we have to get by without almonds and wine, I can make that adjustment so that people get the water. Isn’t the issue in CA that agriculture gets to take as much water as they want?

32 Charles Johnson  Sep 22, 2014 6:38:42pm
33 sagehen  Sep 22, 2014 6:39:29pm

re: #3 dog philosopher

debate topic:

presidents are like every major figure in the old testament

no matter what they might have done right, every single one of them did at least one reprehensible and unforgivable thing

Washington owned slaves
Jefferson owned slaves
Adams … what did he do wrong?
Lincoln … um… drawing a blank
FDR internment
Eisenhower overthrew mossedegh
Ford … some errors, but can’t think of anything reprehensible or unforgivable
Carter … sometimes stupid, but nothing reprehensible or unforgivable
Bush the Elder … stumped
Clinton … the obvious
Bush the Lesser … the obvious
William Henry Harrison was only in office one month, most of it unconscious.

I’m afraid I have to dispute your hypothesis.

34 jaunte  Sep 22, 2014 6:40:09pm
“…American fighter jets and armed Predator and Reaper drones, flying alongside warplanes from several Arab allies, struck a broad array of targets in territory controlled by the militants known as the Islamic State. American military officials said the targets included weapons supplies, depots, barracks and buildings the militants use for command and control. Tomahawk cruise missiles were fired from United States Navy ships in the region.”
nytimes.com
35 b.d.  Sep 22, 2014 6:40:19pm

It’s on. Stay safe El Paso!!!

36 Decatur Deb  Sep 22, 2014 6:41:35pm

re: #31 stpaulbear

I see a growing travel industry between LA and Duluth, MN, where 10 gallon jugs are allowed as carry on luggage.

We’ll build the Keystone pipeline yet, just fill it with water.

37 Kragar  Sep 22, 2014 6:41:37pm

re: #32 Charles Johnson

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Why can’t she just get over that whole “getting shot in the head” thing?

38 Jenner7  Sep 22, 2014 6:43:19pm
39 sagehen  Sep 22, 2014 6:46:25pm

re: #15 psddluva4evah

I hate being late and on twitter, so I’ll have to stay off until I get caught up.

Now watching Sleepy Hollow on Fox. Loved the show last season, hope it stays at this season.

I wanted to check out Scorpion on CBS, but forgot about it. I also want to see show on ABC called “Forever”

Scorpion reruns on Saturday.

I watched “Forever”… great launching point for fanfic, but of limited value as a standalone. Some of the writing is trite/stunt, main character does Sherlockian “noticing” and can’t resist spouting off about it, Judd Hirsch drives a taxi, the original mystical event happened because he tried to save a slave’s life on the Atlantic passage…

40 Bubblehead II  Sep 22, 2014 6:47:06pm

re: #23 Skip Intro

Well, you’re all going to care because we grow most of your food. So where will the remaining water go, people or agriculture?

No, actually they don’t. Idaho is pretty much self sufficient when it comes to food production. Sure there are some things that can’t be (currently) grown here in large quanities. But we have people who are working on that.

Growing veggies, bananas year-round in Idaho’s ‘miracle mile’

41 stpaulbear  Sep 22, 2014 6:47:17pm

re: #36 Decatur Deb

We’ll build the Keystone pipeline yet, just fill it with water.

I think the great lakes states would be blowing up pipelines if it ever got to that point. although if the Koch brothers could make money from it, Walker would be writing it into law right now.

42 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 22, 2014 6:47:23pm

niters all…

43 Cheechako  Sep 22, 2014 6:48:39pm

There’s water out there. Just in the wrong places. We’ve had over 30 inches of rain since June 1st! 5.96 inches so far for September. And it’s raining hard right now.

44 klys  Sep 22, 2014 6:48:59pm

re: #42 Backwoods_Sleuth

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niters all…

It was well played.

45 psddluva4evah  Sep 22, 2014 6:49:10pm

re: #39 sagehen

Ah…I knew abit of the back story.

I’ll leave Forever for the weekend then

46 psddluva4evah  Sep 22, 2014 6:51:00pm

re: #38 Jenner7

Was just reading that too.

She’s right, watched Maddow report the breaking news and her spin was basically “yeah we knew this was gonna happen”, but “wow it happened”, as if the admin was gonna announce to media that “hey in about oh…5 min, we gonna bomb this b….”

I’ve already seen a number of twitter post and FB post from regular folks basically saying…”whoa”. It’s obvious they haven’t really been paying attention.

47 b.d.  Sep 22, 2014 6:51:32pm

CNN guy has said 3 times now “I don’t want to call it shock and awe”. Then quit saying that.

48 Pie-onist Overlord  Sep 22, 2014 6:52:40pm

re: #11 Skip Intro

How about this for a debate topic? In 12 to 18 months, if the current unprecedented drought continues (and the NWS just predicted it will) in the Southwest, Southern California will run out of water for its 22 million residents.

What do you see happening when that happens? Why does no one care? Is there a single national politician who even knows?

Nestlé is bottling water straight from the heart of California’s drought

“The question is not who is going to let me, the question is who is going to stop me!”—Ayn Rand

49 Dark_Falcon  Sep 22, 2014 6:52:53pm

re: #32 Charles Johnson

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Gabby Giffords can be just as nasty and partisan as any politician. Her attack ads don’t shock me, because that’s just what politicians do: Tear the other side down to win.

50 b.d.  Sep 22, 2014 6:53:20pm
51 Charles Johnson  Sep 22, 2014 6:53:42pm

re: #49 Dark_Falcon

You’re seriously losing me here.

52 dog philosopher  Sep 22, 2014 6:53:52pm

re: #33 sagehen

Adams … what did he do wrong?

alien and sedition act

Lincoln … um… drawing a blank

took it on himself to interpret the constitution to mean that the president could unilaterally implement the provision allowing suspension of habeus corpus in the event of invasion or rebellion

therefore jailed some confederate editors for seditious speech, among other things

Carter … sometimes stupid, but nothing reprehensible or unforgivable

lost to reagan

Bush the Elder … stumped

William Henry Harrison was only in office one month, most of it unconscious.

I’m afraid I have to dispute your hypothesis.

well, the exceptions test the rule, i guess…

53 teleskiguy  Sep 22, 2014 6:53:54pm

Oooh! This should be good!

54 Pie-onist Overlord  Sep 22, 2014 6:55:31pm

re: #33 sagehen

Ford … some errors, but can’t think of anything reprehensible or unforgivable

Pardoned Nixon

55 stpaulbear  Sep 22, 2014 6:55:34pm

re: #51 Charles Johnson

You’re seriously losing me here.

You’re being very polite.

56 klys  Sep 22, 2014 6:55:42pm

re: #49 Dark_Falcon

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Gabby Giffords can be just as nasty and partisan as any politician. Her attack ads don’t shock me, because that’s just what politicians do: Tear the other side down to win.

You know, some people actually act because of the principles involved and not just because rah rah go team go.

57 lawhawk  Sep 22, 2014 6:55:44pm

re: #19 dog philosopher

Now imagine if they turned Robert Caro’s LBJ into a movie.

Or the Power Broker, which really should be a movie. Because you wouldn’t believe it even if you saw the results. It just couldn’t be done that way.

And speaking of, I’d love to have a go at turning the Power Broker into a screenplay. It might run longer than the LOTR extended versions back-to-back-to-back, but it would be so worthy it.

58 Charles Johnson  Sep 22, 2014 6:55:51pm

Republican politicians who do the bidding of the gun lobby absolutely need to be called out for it. These people bear some of the responsibility for the violence that’s committed in the US every single day.

I’m 100% on Gabby Giffords’ side here. She’s right.

59 TedStriker  Sep 22, 2014 6:56:46pm

re: #49 Dark_Falcon

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Gabby Giffords can be just as nasty and partisan as any politician. Her attack ads don’t shock me, because that’s just what politicians do: Tear the other side down to win.

Your slip is showing…

I’m going to be “nasty and partisan” here by saying that you, Politico, and like-minded MBFs are full of shit.

60 dog philosopher  Sep 22, 2014 6:57:02pm

re: #57 lawhawk

Now imagine if they turned Robert Caro’s LBJ into a movie.

Or the Power Broker, which really should be a movie. Because you wouldn’t believe it even if you saw the results. It just couldn’t be done that way.

And speaking of, I’d love to have a go at turning the Power Broker into a screenplay. It might run longer than the LOTR extended versions back-to-back-to-back, but it would be so worthy it.

heh

61 sagehen  Sep 22, 2014 6:57:43pm

re: #54 Pie-onist Overlord

Pardoned Nixon

I’m not sure I see that as unforgivable. Imagining what a trial would have done to the country…

62 teleskiguy  Sep 22, 2014 6:57:50pm

re: #49 Dark_Falcon

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Gabby Giffords can be just as nasty and partisan as any politician. Her attack ads don’t shock me, because that’s just what politicians do: Tear the other side down to win.

Hmm. Giffords forcefully calls for sensible gun control and she’s “as nasty and partisan as any politician.” SHE GOT SHOT IN THE FUCKING HEAD. I don’t call that partisanship, I call that reasonable advocacy.

63 lawhawk  Sep 22, 2014 6:57:56pm

re: #49 Dark_Falcon

Sorry dude, but she was nearly killed by a guy with a gun. Several other people at one of her events were killed. She’s got the wounds to prove it. So if she’s passionate and wont back down from a fight over seeing that access to firearms is made more difficult for those who shouldn’t have it (the mentally ill, the felons, etc.), then she’s earned that right.

Politico is just trolling - and succeeding because they’re getting the conversation about them.

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Heck, she’s calling for the kinds of restrictions on firearms that the NRA used to support - way back in the 1990s before they completely went off the rails and thought that anyone with the money to do so could have a full-fledged arsenal with absolutely no restrictions whatsoever. They’ve gone extremist, and we’re the ones paying for it with the body count.

64 NJDhockeyfan  Sep 22, 2014 6:59:03pm
65 psddluva4evah  Sep 22, 2014 6:59:04pm

Now maybe mention how many American soldiers and foreign civilians were killed due to Bush’s “invading” and bombing

66 Dark_Falcon  Sep 22, 2014 6:59:40pm

re: #51 Charles Johnson

You’re seriously losing me here.

I think its pretty clear:

Some of the toughest spots from Giffords’ newly formed pro-gun-control super PAC, Americans for Responsible Solutions, hammer Republican Martha McSally, a retired Air Force pilot who is running for the Arizona seat Giffords once held. One features a wrenching testimonial from a woman named Vicki who weeps and stumbles over her words as she recounts how her 19-year-old daughter was hunted down and murdered by an enraged ex-boyfriend.

“He had threatened her before. I knew. I just knew,” Vicki says. A narrator then declares that McSally “opposes making it harder for stalkers to get a gun.”

It’s no accident that Giffords is singling out McSally, people close to the former congresswoman say.

During her unsuccessful 2012 campaign, McSally ran TV commercials comparing herself to Giffords. The Giffords team fumed, and her husband, retired astronaut Mark Kelly, released a terse statement declaring, “Martha McSally is no Gabby Giffords.”

So, for making a comparison McSally is accused of enabling stalkers. I’d also ask which bill or law McSally is supposed to have opposed.

67 Dark_Falcon  Sep 22, 2014 7:01:53pm

re: #63 lawhawk

Sorry dude, but she was nearly killed by a guy with a gun. Several other people at one of her events were killed. She’s got the wounds to prove it. So if she’s passionate and wont back down from a fight over seeing that access to firearms is made more difficult for those who shouldn’t have it (the mentally ill, the felons, etc.), then she’s earned that right.

Politico is just trolling - and succeeding because they’re getting the conversation about them.

I don’t agree, and if it were me on the receiving end of those attacks I’d call her out as the mud-slinger she is. That would cost me some support, but losing would be OK if it took her down a few pegs.

68 Charles Johnson  Sep 22, 2014 7:01:59pm
69 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Sep 22, 2014 7:02:06pm

re: #49 Dark_Falcon

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Gabby Giffords can be just as nasty and partisan as any politician. Her attack ads don’t shock me, because that’s just what politicians do: Tear the other side down to win.

Mr. Rosenthal, is that you?

70 Dave In Austin  Sep 22, 2014 7:03:52pm

Family took some Vacation at South Padre Is, TX. Saturday Bro and I fished the Brownsville Ship Channel for Snook and Mangrove Snapper.

The Port of Brownsville is the 2nd largest Ship Breaker in the world. The 1st is India.

The USS Saratoga and the USS Forrestal wait for the torch. The USS Constellation will be under tow shortly to join them.

71 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Sep 22, 2014 7:03:56pm

re: #67 Dark_Falcon

Dark, stop digging.

72 klys  Sep 22, 2014 7:04:25pm

re: #67 Dark_Falcon

I don’t agree, and if it were me on the receiving end of those attacks I’d call her out as the mud-slinger she is. That would cost me some support, but losing would be OK if it took her down a few pegs.

Just quoted for posterity, emphasis mine.

Glad to see you think Gabby Giffords needs to be taken down a few pegs while folks who write for Takimag are “always-good, often-excellent.”

*Edited to correct the quote.

73 calochortus  Sep 22, 2014 7:04:43pm

re: #48 Pie-onist Overlord

Nestlé is bottling water straight from the heart of California’s drought
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And we grow a lot of alfalfa in the desert which we then export to China. Basically, just sending them our water.

Every time I drive up or down the Central Valley, I swear they’ve planted more freaking almond orchards. During a drought. The vast majority of almonds are also exported.

74 Jenner7  Sep 22, 2014 7:05:02pm

re: #49 Dark_Falcon

Oh my god, that ad…was horrible! I mean, a woman telling her story and the candidate’s history on the issue…JUST AWFUL AND VILE AND NASTY.

/// in case you couldn’t figure it out

75 lawhawk  Sep 22, 2014 7:07:34pm

re: #67 Dark_Falcon

The AZ Fact Check showed that the ad was 100% factual. She does oppose additional gun laws to close various loopholes, including for gun shows. That is out of touch with even Arizona where 9 out of 10 support such measures.

Americans for Responsible Solutions derived its assertion that “nine out of ten Southern Arizonans” support background checks from a survey conducted by Global Strategy Group.

The organization surveyed 405 likely general-election voters in the 2nd Congressional District. Eighty-six percent of respondents indicated they thought background checks for all gun sales was an “excellent or good idea.” The survey also suggested that 89 percent of respondents believed that laws covering gun sales “should be made stronger or kept as they are.

The survey was conducted between July 12-15 and has a margin of error of plus or minus 4.9 percent.

snip

BOTTOM LINE: McSally is a self-described strong supporter of the Second Amendment. Her gun control platform places an emphasis on addressing and treating mental illness, rather than restricting the sale of firearms. During a debate during her previous run for Congress she said current laws governing the sale of firearms at gun shows do not need to be changed, adding that further restrictions would be “unconstitutional.”

THE FINDING: Four stars, true.

If anyone needs a fact check, it’s not Giffords. She’s right on target with this, and McSally is the one who’s out of touch with what her potential constituents would want.

76 psddluva4evah  Sep 22, 2014 7:07:37pm
77 Bubblehead II  Sep 22, 2014 7:07:53pm

re: #49 Dark_Falcon

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Gabby Giffords can be just as nasty and partisan as any politician. Her attack ads don’t shock me, because that’s just what politicians do: Tear the other side down to win.

Gee, getting shot in the head by a nut just might, I don’t know, piss somebody off.

// But you? Hell you’d just stand up, shake it off and call it a one off incident.

78 b.d.  Sep 22, 2014 7:07:58pm

re: #70 Dave In Austin

Family took some Vacation at South Padre Is, TX. Saturday Bro and I fished the Brownsville Ship Channel for Snook and Mangrove Snapper.

The Port of Brownsville is the 2nd largest Ship Breaker in the world. The 1st is India.

The USS Saratoga and the USS Forrestal wait for the torch. The USS Constellation will be under tow shortly to join them.

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Great shot, sounds like a great time

79 Archangelus  Sep 22, 2014 7:09:36pm

re: #67 Dark_Falcon

I don’t agree, and if it were me on the receiving end of those attacks I’d call her out as the mud-slinger she is. That would cost me some support, but losing would be OK if it took her down a few pegs.

OK, seriously, What the F**K, Dark? You’re against someone who was shot in the head by a lunatic with a gun and near death arguing his/her cause - of preventing people from getting shot in the head and shot in general by lunatics with a gun?

Speaking as someone who HAS been shot at by lunatics with guns, I agree with Giffords 100000% and cannot fathom what the hell is wrong with you…

80 goddamnedfrank  Sep 22, 2014 7:09:45pm
In March 2012, McSally was specifically asked about the gun-show loophole during a debate hosted by the Sabino Teen-Age Republicans at Sabino High School.

The moderator asked: “So I think the gun control question I’d like to ask everyone, beyond their belief in the 2nd Amendment, is would you support, under any circumstances, what goes under the nickname of the so-called “Gun Show Loophole,” which would require private citizens to somehow get cleared before they can transfer a firearm to another private citizen?”

McSally responded by saying that the question is flawed because “it’s not a loophole.”

“It’s the law,” she said. “I mean, the law is clearly based on the Second Amendment that we all have the right to keep and bear arms. And I have the right as a private citizen to sell my possession to anyone I want to. It’s my lawful right. So, just like I can sell my car, I can sell my gun. And so, that’s the law, and that’s not a loophole. It’s freedom. And absolutely, it needs to stay that way, because any restrictions on that, at gun shows or other places, is just absolutely unconstitutional.”

Yeah, she sucks.

81 bratwurst  Sep 22, 2014 7:09:51pm

re: #67 Dark_Falcon

I don’t agree, and if it were me on the receiving end of those attacks I’d call her out as the mud-slinger she is. That would cost me some support, but losing would be OK if it took her down a few pegs.

I guess it would be high fives all around once you take a former congresswoman who took a bullet to the head “down a few pegs”.

Seriously, check yourself.

82 Pie-onist Overlord  Sep 22, 2014 7:10:01pm

re: #73 calochortus

And we grow a lot of alfalfa in the desert which we then export to China. Basically, just sending them our water.

Every time I drive up or down the Central Valley, I swear they’ve planted more freaking almond orchards. During a drought. The vast majority of almonds are also exported.

California Rice industry

83 jaunte  Sep 22, 2014 7:10:48pm

re: #77 Bubblehead II

Gee, getting shot in the head by a nut just might, I don’t know, piss somebody off.

// But you? Hell you’d just stand up, shake it off and call it a one off incident.

Being the (miraculously) still living embodiment for the need for gun sense would be a great motivator.

84 Charles Johnson  Sep 22, 2014 7:10:58pm

re: #75 lawhawk

McSally is absolutely horrible, and Gabby Giffords was right to call her out.

85 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Sep 22, 2014 7:11:18pm

I’m not anti-gun. I am, however, anti-anyone-can-buy-any-gun-easily. And America has been crazy in this respect. Now gentle pushback is being called extreme mud-slinging.

86 NJDhockeyfan  Sep 22, 2014 7:12:20pm
87 teleskiguy  Sep 22, 2014 7:12:29pm

Fact: The firearms used in the Columbine High School massacre in 1999 were purchased the exact way McSally is advocating.

88 Grimalkin  Sep 22, 2014 7:13:40pm

Just hanging out with a bunch of my favorite lizards.A few Iguanas and Me

And their friends …

They love kale.

89 BeenHereAwhile  Sep 22, 2014 7:13:59pm

re: #23 Skip Intro

Well, you’re all going to care because we grow most of your food. So where will the remaining water go, people or agriculture?

Where is Floyd Dominy, now that we need him?

90 psddluva4evah  Sep 22, 2014 7:14:37pm
91 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Sep 22, 2014 7:14:52pm

re: #88 Grimalkin

[Embedded image]They love kale.

Sic them on KT’s garden!///

92 b.d.  Sep 22, 2014 7:14:54pm

Kabuki, when I start hearing cable news talking heads say that word I know we’re back at war.

93 EPR-radar  Sep 22, 2014 7:15:12pm

re: #67 Dark_Falcon

I don’t agree, and if it were me on the receiving end of those attacks I’d call her out as the mud-slinger she is. That would cost me some support, but losing would be OK if it took her down a few pegs.

You really don’t have any idea how mild those attacks against GOP politicians are, compared to what they could reasonably be, do you?

94 psddluva4evah  Sep 22, 2014 7:15:19pm
95 NJDhockeyfan  Sep 22, 2014 7:15:35pm
96 TedStriker  Sep 22, 2014 7:16:41pm

re: #67 Dark_Falcon

I don’t agree, and if it were me on the receiving end of those attacks I’d call her out as the mud-slinger she is. That would cost me some support, but losing would be OK if it took her down a few pegs.

Oh, how dare a woman, who was almost got her fucking brains blown out and killed by a maniac with a handgun while in her official capacity as a Congresswoman, get all uppity about the subject of guns!

She has had to endure not only her long recovery from that, but the knowledge for the rest of her life that the shooter did successfully kill or maim several other people, including a member of her own staff.

Pardon my French, but fuck you, get bent, piss off…however you want to take it.

97 Dark_Falcon  Sep 22, 2014 7:16:47pm

re: #95 NJDhockeyfan

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Obama made clear US airstrikes would not target the Syrian Army. I doubt we’ve hit them.

98 Charles Johnson  Sep 22, 2014 7:17:55pm
99 Dark_Falcon  Sep 22, 2014 7:18:15pm

re: #96 TedStriker

Oh, how dare a woman, who was almost got her fucking brains blown out and killed by a maniac with a handgun while in her official capacity as a Congresswoman, get all uppity about the subject of guns!

She has had to endure not only her long recovery from that, but the knowledge for the rest of her life that the shooter did successfully kill or maim several other people, including a member of her own staff.

Pardon my French, but fuck you…

OK fine, fuck me. But I stand by what I said.

100 Romantic Heretic  Sep 22, 2014 7:18:29pm

re: #13 Jenner7

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So would I.

101 goddamnedfrank  Sep 22, 2014 7:18:59pm

re: #66 Dark_Falcon

I think its pretty clear:

So, for making a comparison McSally is accused of enabling stalkers. I’d also ask which bill or law McSally is supposed to have opposed.

Supporting the private sales loophole means she de facto is enabling stalkers. How is it you think people with active restraining orders acquire guns? They get them via private party transfers in states where background checks aren’t mandatory for such sales.

102 lawhawk  Sep 22, 2014 7:19:25pm

On cue, Drudge is complaining that we’ve entered into the Syrian civil war.

Which Drudge along with the rest of the right wing was demanding Obama do last year, but demurred because entering the conflict would have likely meant our aid went to ISIL.

Now, we’re going after ISIL in Syria. That indirectly benefits Assad, who’s a democidal autocrat, but it can help stop ISIL, which is a genocidal terror group with delusions of grandeurmass mayhem and forced conversions.

The least bad option here is to go after ISIL. That’s better than the alternatives.

103 Skip Intro  Sep 22, 2014 7:19:42pm

re: #43 Cheechako

There’s water out there. Just in the wrong places. We’ve had over 30 inches of rain since June 1st! 5.96 inches so far for September. And it’s raining hard right now.

If only there was a way to move it from where it is to where it’s needed. Too bad it’s not as easy as moving toxic sludge from Canada to Texas.

Oh well, there are only 39 million people in CA. Hardly worth the trouble, so just fuck ‘um.

I’m glad to see we’re using our resources on something really important like blowing the shit out of the Mideast again. Now that’s productive.

104 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Sep 22, 2014 7:19:46pm

What is that with the dying-hills lately?

105 stpaulbear  Sep 22, 2014 7:20:11pm

re: #97 Dark_Falcon

Obama made clear US airstrikes would not target the Syrian Army. I doubt we’ve hit them.

We’ve probably hit at least 47 weddings though.

106 teleskiguy  Sep 22, 2014 7:21:04pm

re: #98 Charles Johnson

@Green_Footballs: Gun fetishists are one of the big reasons why America can’t have nice things.
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And our thought leaders perpetuate it beautifully! Here’s self-loathing atheist and right-wing commentator gettin’ her kin ready for guns before birth!

107 calochortus  Sep 22, 2014 7:21:14pm

re: #82 Pie-onist Overlord

California Rice industry

Yeah, that too, although I do love Lundberg short grain brown rice (as well as other varieties. The short grain brown we buy in 12 lb bags…)

108 klys  Sep 22, 2014 7:23:09pm

Once again, Dark proves that it’s party first, no matter who gets hurt in the process.

At least things are consistent.

109 Archangelus  Sep 22, 2014 7:23:23pm

re: #106 teleskiguy

@Green_Footballs:

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Put her in a Burqa and have that text in Arabic and just imagine the Right Wingers screaming “terrorist!!!1eleventy”…

110 jaunte  Sep 22, 2014 7:23:26pm

re: #102 lawhawk

General Hugh Shelton was on CSPAN this morning, arguing for a greater secrecy about US military plans. “Let’s let him wonder what our next move might be,” he advised.
c-span.org

111 Charles Johnson  Sep 22, 2014 7:23:33pm
112 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Sep 22, 2014 7:23:38pm

re: #106 teleskiguy

She almost doesn’t count as an atheist anyway.

113 b.d.  Sep 22, 2014 7:25:01pm

re: #106 teleskiguy

How about a little blaze orange? If not for your sake then for the baby’s?

114 Pie-onist Overlord  Sep 22, 2014 7:25:23pm

re: #112 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

She almost doesn’t count as an atheist anyway.

Was she ever really an “atheist” or just played one on TV in order to “get born again”

115 teleskiguy  Sep 22, 2014 7:25:44pm

My #106 was all fucked up a little earlier, but it’s fine now, thanks to the foresight of Charles who correctly identified with the need for an edit button!

If I’m not mistaken, the “edit” feature in comments is only available for 15 or 20 minutes.

Not so with pages. You can edit pages willy nilly. I think.

116 b.d.  Sep 22, 2014 7:25:50pm

re: #110 jaunte

General Hugh Shelton was on CSPAN this morning, arguing for a greater secrecy about US military plans. “Let’s let him wonder what our next move might be,” he advised.
c-span.org

We need quieter bombs because they probably know by now.

117 stpaulbear  Sep 22, 2014 7:26:13pm

re: #106 teleskiguy

They say that listening to music while pregnant has a positive effect on the baby in the womb. I can imagine how much that future bundle of joy just loves to hear random loud explosions happening two feet away…

118 Dark_Falcon  Sep 22, 2014 7:26:45pm

re: #106 teleskiguy

@Green_Footballs:

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Firing a unsuppressed shotgun while pregnant? If you think a fetus is a person, then that would have to go down as child abuse. And even if you don’t believe a fetus is a person, it is still very bad for one’s future child. The damage that gunfire can do to the hearing of an unborn child is actually magnified (because amniotic fluid in incompressible, so sound travels much better through it).

S.E. Cupp is being very foolish. It’d be one thing if she was only hurting herself, but she’s going to hurt her baby firing off that shotgun.

119 EPR-radar  Sep 22, 2014 7:26:47pm

re: #112 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

She almost doesn’t count as an atheist anyway.

I think we can drop the “almost” there. Apparently she “really aspires to be a person of faith some day.”

Also, I can’t imagine any reasonable atheist writing dreck entitled “Losing our religion: The Liberal Media’s Attack on Christianity”

120 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Sep 22, 2014 7:28:27pm

re: #114 Pie-onist Overlord

Was she ever really an “atheist” or just played one on TV in order to “get born again”

I suppose she is technically an atheist. An atheist with a fundie brain.

121 jaunte  Sep 22, 2014 7:28:28pm

re: #106 teleskiguy

Beretta On Board.

122 Archangelus  Sep 22, 2014 7:28:56pm

re: #119 EPR-radar

Also, I can’t imagine any reasonable atheist writing dreck entitled “Losing our religion: The Liberal Media’s Attack on Christianity”

To hell with “reasonable”, I can’t imagine any atheist writing that dreck, period…

123 Charles Johnson  Sep 22, 2014 7:29:15pm
124 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Sep 22, 2014 7:29:46pm

re: #122 Archangelus

To hell with “reasonable”, I can’t imagine any atheist writing that dreck, period…

Well, that would be engaging in the No True Scotsman fallacy. There are plenty of stupid and corrupt atheists.

125 goddamnedfrank  Sep 22, 2014 7:30:24pm

re: #99 Dark_Falcon

OK fine, fuck me. But I stand by what I said.

Why, it’s been proven wrong. She explicitly supported the private party transfer loophole, under the simplistic, smarmy, pedantic reasoning of “freedom” and “it’s the law.” Giffords was right, McSally is a stalker enabling piece of shit. The private party transfer loophole is clinically fucking insane, basically a custom designed backdoor by which people who are legally barred from possessing guns can acquire them both covertly and virtually effortlessly.

126 NJDhockeyfan  Sep 22, 2014 7:30:31pm
127 jaunte  Sep 22, 2014 7:31:39pm
128 calochortus  Sep 22, 2014 7:31:59pm

re: #119 EPR-radar

I think we can drop the “almost” there. Apparently she “really aspires to be a person of faith some day.”

Also, I can’t imagine any reasonable atheist writing dreck entitled “Losing our religion: The Liberal Media’s Attack on Christianity”

Many people would be amazed to learn how little time the average atheist spends thinking about what he or she doesn’t believe.

129 William Barnett-Lewis  Sep 22, 2014 7:32:12pm

re: #3 dog philosopher

debate topic:

presidents are like every major figure in the old testament

no matter what they might have done right, every single one of them did at least one reprehensible and unforgivable thing

Yep. And most can’t even manage as much repentance & grief as David over his sin with Bathsheba & Uriah the Hittite.

130 Dark_Falcon  Sep 22, 2014 7:32:26pm

re: #125 goddamnedfrank

Frank, could you put up your ‘troll in the dungeon’ .gif for Mr. Engel? Because he’s just back-biting at the president.

131 Archangelus  Sep 22, 2014 7:32:36pm

re: #123 Charles Johnson

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After screaming about how President Obama lacks a strategy, I give it a day 12 hours 30 minutes before they start screaming about how it doesn’t go far enough…

132 blueraven  Sep 22, 2014 7:32:46pm

re: #123 Charles Johnson

Reports are that Saudi, Jordan, and UAE are taking part in the the air strikes. That is pretty impressive.

133 b.d.  Sep 22, 2014 7:32:56pm

re: #126 NJDhockeyfan

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Military guys wanted to blow stuff up sooner, quell shocked face.

134 klys  Sep 22, 2014 7:33:15pm

re: #125 goddamnedfrank

Why, it’s been proven wrong. She explicitly supported the private party transfer loophole, under the simplistic, smarmy, pedantic reasoning of “freedom” and “it’s the law.” Giffords was right, McSally is a stalker enabling piece of shit. The private party transfer loophole is clinically fucking insane, basically a custom designed backdoor by which people who are legally barred from possessing guns can acquire them both covertly and virtually effortlessly.

Well, since that point has been proven wrong, I guess he’s standing by his statement that Gabby Giffords needs to be taken down a few pegs.

I’m not sure what his justification is for thinking that, beyond that she’s a Democrat female who dares to have an opinion opposite his in politics and the actual ability to try and influence change, but whatever.

135 stpaulbear  Sep 22, 2014 7:33:16pm

re: #123 Charles Johnson

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OBUMMER will do absolutely ANYthing to make the Republicans look bad. It’s ALL HE EVER DOES!! INPEACH!

136 EPR-radar  Sep 22, 2014 7:33:19pm

re: #125 goddamnedfrank

Why, it’s been proven wrong. She explicitly supported the private party transfer loophole, under the simplistic, smarmy, pedantic reasoning of “freedom” and “it’s the law.” Giffords was right, McSally is a stalker enabling piece of shit. The private party transfer loophole is clinically fucking insane, basically a custom designed backdoor by which people who are legally barred from possessing guns can acquire them both covertly and virtually effortlessly.

This fine text could very reasonably have been included in Gifford’s ads, and such inclusion would indeed have made them into ‘attack ads’.

The actual ads are only ‘attack ads’ to crybabies who whine whenever they are called out for their actual positions on issues or the inevitable consequences of said policy positions.

137 Archangelus  Sep 22, 2014 7:33:29pm

re: #127 jaunte

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Magnets Satellite surveillance/maps/HUMINT, how do they work…

138 teleskiguy  Sep 22, 2014 7:33:31pm

re: #113 b.d.

How about a little blaze orange? If not for your sake then for the baby’s?

I have few “hate-follows” on Twitter. A good lot of them are, uh, conservative. But I definitely hate-follow S.E. Cupp. And don’t get me wrong on the term “hate-follow.” To me, a hate-follow is a Twitter I see that safely makes me realize how low our species can go. Hence, very few hate-follows in my following list.

S.E. Cupp consistently comes off as a pretty lady with a knack for tired tropes and stereotypes and fake outrage and rah rah rah I LOVE NASCAR right-wing stuff who has her own TV show and is a published author and that makes her Twitter account a geyser of hate-follow stuff.

139 jaunte  Sep 22, 2014 7:33:39pm
140 b.d.  Sep 22, 2014 7:33:49pm

THESE AIR STRIKES WILL JUST MAKE ISIS STRONGER

141 goddamnedfrank  Sep 22, 2014 7:34:06pm

re: #130 Dark_Falcon

Frank, could you put up your ‘troll in the dungeon’ .gif for Mr. Engel? Because he’s just back-biting at the president.

I’d much rather you deal with McSally’s explicit support for the private party sales loophole instead of ignoring the incredibly deep, retarded hole you’ve dug for yourself here.

142 EPR-radar  Sep 22, 2014 7:34:28pm

re: #128 calochortus

Many people would be amazed to learn how little time the average atheist spends thinking about what he or she doesn’t believe.

According to my authoritative personal testimony, that’s a flat zero for me.

143 teleskiguy  Sep 22, 2014 7:34:42pm

re: #118 Dark_Falcon

I mean this in a nice way. Fuck you for your earlier shit…but you still make a comment I upding in the same thread, and fuck you for that!

144 dog philosopher  Sep 22, 2014 7:35:03pm

i hear we’re experiencing Roots Of World War III type activity this evening…

145 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Sep 22, 2014 7:35:39pm

Dark, if you’re reduced to trying to change the topic instead of defending the statements, it probably was not worth it making them.

146 Dark_Falcon  Sep 22, 2014 7:35:57pm

re: #141 goddamnedfrank

I’d much rather you deal with McSally’s explicit support for the private party sales loophole instead of ignoring the incredibly deep, retarded hole you’ve dug for yourself here.

I’ve said all I care to say on that point.

147 NJDhockeyfan  Sep 22, 2014 7:36:02pm

re: #133 b.d.

Military guys wanted to blow stuff up sooner, quell shocked face.

Military guys wanted to kill the enemy before the prepare to be attacked.

148 TedStriker  Sep 22, 2014 7:36:34pm

re: #99 Dark_Falcon

OK fine, fuck me. But I stand by what I said.

I find it hilariously ironic (and sad) how you framed Giffords as being “nasty and partisan” upthread, when you have very little compunction about being partisan whenever it suits you; I can no longer take anything that you say at face value any longer.

By the way, your “[take Giffords] down a few pegs” quip has earned you indefinite enmity from me; as far as your RAH RAH TEAM politics goes, it sucks ass.

Get bent.

149 NJDhockeyfan  Sep 22, 2014 7:38:40pm
150 EPR-radar  Sep 22, 2014 7:38:47pm
…

Brave Sir Robin ran away.
(“No!”)
Bravely ran away away.
(“I didn’t!”)
When danger reared it’s ugly head,
He bravely turned his tail and fled.
(“no!”)
Yes, brave Sir Robin turned about
(“I didn’t!”)
And gallantly he chickened out.

****Bravely**** taking (“I never did!”) to his feet,
He beat a very brave retreat.
(“all lies!”)
Bravest of the braaaave, Sir Robin!
(“I never!”)

151 goddamnedfrank  Sep 22, 2014 7:39:07pm

re: #146 Dark_Falcon

I’ve said all I care to say on that point.

This kind of obstinate refusal to deal with cogent criticism just comes off as totally chicken-shit. I don’t know where you learned it, or why you persist in this kind of craven behavior, but you couldn’t invent a more counter productive strategy for dealing with uncomfortable realities.

152 TedStriker  Sep 22, 2014 7:39:32pm

re: #146 Dark_Falcon

I’ve said all I care to say on that point.

Oh no, you’re not getting off that easy…you’ve staked your position and it’s crystal clear. Now, you need to defend it, otherwise, this is all you’ll ever be:

Youtube Video

153 TedStriker  Sep 22, 2014 7:39:46pm

re: #150 EPR-radar

GMTA

154 jaunte  Sep 22, 2014 7:41:03pm
155 blueraven  Sep 22, 2014 7:41:04pm

re: #147 NJDhockeyfan

Military guys wanted to kill the enemy before the prepare to be attacked.

US wanted Arab allies in place and joining the fight before striking another Arab country.

156 jaunte  Sep 22, 2014 7:41:39pm
157 Timothy Watson  Sep 22, 2014 7:42:00pm

b.d. linked to a story about Ben Carson running for President, this was seen on a car in Fredericksburg, Virginia earlier today:

158 klys  Sep 22, 2014 7:42:04pm

re: #146 Dark_Falcon

I’ve said all I care to say on that point.

I’m shocked to find that your principles run so deep that you …can’t actually defend them.

Oh wait, I’m not.

I vote Democrat not because they’re my sports team political party but because the positions they espouse on average align with the ones I hold, as derived from the beliefs and principles I hold dear. As such, I can back up what I say.

When you completely and utterly fail to back up your shit, it comes across as either a) you don’t have a rational backing and it’s all RAH RAH GO TEAM or b) that you actually believe the principles that allow you to back racists, misogynists, and oligarchs. I try to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume (a) but it’s getting harder.

Anyway, time for harp lesson. I will enjoy playing the Christmas carols there even if it’s too early for them anywhere else yet.

159 teleskiguy  Sep 22, 2014 7:43:03pm

re: #146 Dark_Falcon

I’ve said all I care to say on that point.

You’re still wrong. You made a stupid Politico piece about something Gabby Giffords said into a political issue and what Gabby Giffords was talking about is not a political issue, it is human issue. Hell, it’s a public health issue IMO if you believe all the conservative media about violence in Chicago.

160 TedStriker  Sep 22, 2014 7:48:11pm

re: #151 goddamnedfrank

This kind of obstinate refusal to deal with cogent criticism just comes off as totally chicken-shit. I don’t know where you learned it, or why you persist in this kind of craven behavior, but you couldn’t invent a more counter productive strategy for dealing with uncomfortable realities.

How many years have we been saying this shit to Dark now? If he hasn’t gotten it by now, it’s either because he’s too dumb to pour piss out of a boot (which I don’t think is true) or he’s choosing to stay willfully, blissfully ignorant out of family and tribal loyalties (which I do think is the case).

I’m fucking done with him, because life’s too damned short to waste my breath on his ass; now, he’s strictly scrollover material for me from here on out.

161 teleskiguy  Sep 22, 2014 7:49:58pm

re: #160 TedStriker

How many years have we been saying this shit to Dark now? If he hasn’t gotten it by now, it’s either because he’s too dumb to pour piss out of a boot (which I don’t think is true) or he’s choosing to stay willfully, blissfully ignorant. At this point, I’m leaning heavily towards Option B.

I’m fucking done with him; now, he’s strictly scrollover material for me from here on out.

I fear ye speaketh truth, TedStriker.

162 BeachDem  Sep 22, 2014 7:51:07pm

And, as usual, Charles P. Pierce puts Politico in its proper place.

Tiger Beat On The Potomac has become quite upset that Gabby Giffords is attempting to demonstrate how her getting shot in the head once has affected her view of political candy-asses who enable the country’s insane attachment to its firearms…

For the purposes of telling the kidz to fk off, is it really necessary to google up all those law-and-order commercials that conservatives have run, attempting to pin atrocitiy murders on Democratic politicians? Do we really have to bring up Willie Horton again? Or the time N. Leroy Gingrich tried to pin on liberal permissiveness the fact that Susan Smith drowned her kids down in South Carolina? I don’t think so. Fk off, kidz…

Lee Atwater just laughed himself all the way off his spit in hell.

163 ObserverArt  Sep 22, 2014 7:51:37pm

re: #134 klys

Well, since that point has been proven wrong, I guess he’s standing by his statement that Gabby Giffords needs to be taken down a few pegs.

I’m not sure what his justification is for thinking that, beyond that she’s a Democrat female who dares to have an opinion opposite his in politics and the actual ability to try and influence change, but whatever.

I know this thread has moved on but I wanted to comment.

Gabby is not only a Democrat, but one that has the possibility to motivate people to start movement toward some gun control legislation. And, she is throwing some of the political power at a Republican and Dark doesn’t like to see Democrats that play that same kind of politics he likes for his side. Like good ol’ “Cooch” in Virginia last year, who could say or do nothing wrong in Dark’s eyes.

That is most likely dangerous to Dark and it all needs to be taken down a few pegs. He doesn’t even seem to consider her injury and all that experience from it.

164 Decatur Deb  Sep 22, 2014 7:51:49pm

CCJ’s drop-dead video is up. (This is a cache pathway to it.)

webcache.googleusercontent.com

165 Bubblehead II  Sep 22, 2014 7:52:58pm

re: #152 TedStriker

Oh no, you’re not getting off that easy…you’ve staked your position and it’s crystal clear. Now, you need to defend it, otherwise, this is all you’ll ever be:

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Video

This is par for the course. DF stakes out a position and then when challenged, finds some place else he has to be in a hurry.

166 Dark_Falcon  Sep 22, 2014 8:00:16pm

re: #152 TedStriker

My defense is simple: Gifford’s ads struck me as nasty attacks by someone who markets herself as nice. My proposed response was based on my belief that to win a party has to neutralize the other side’s effective attackers, and some candidates should be willing to sacrifice their candidacies to get the needed hits in.

167 BeachDem  Sep 22, 2014 8:05:36pm

re: #164 Decatur Deb

CCJ’s drop-dead video is up. (This is a cache pathway to it.)

webcache.googleusercontent.com

Best laugh I’ve had all day. His video talents are on par with his JOURNALISM (which he DOES in California.) Wonder if he got rights to use the Bon Jovi tune? Nah.

And could he BE any more melodramatic?

Best comment: He’s a journalist as much as George Costanza is an architect.

168 BeachDem  Sep 22, 2014 8:07:28pm

re: #166 Dark_Falcon

My defense is simple: Gifford’s ads struck me as nasty attacks by someone who markets herself as nice. My proposed response was based on my belief that to win a party has to neutralize the other side’s effective attackers, and some candidates should be willing to sacrifice their candidacies to get the needed hits in.

Gabby Gifford markets herself as ALIVE. And also, she’s not running for anything, because she got shot in the fucking head.

169 goddamnedfrank  Sep 22, 2014 8:07:36pm

re: #166 Dark_Falcon

Giffords has to be torn down because she’s effective? Pure gang mentality. Your view of politics through the unprincipled lens of game theory and “optics” is just so deeply cynical and pathetic.

170 Dark_Falcon  Sep 22, 2014 8:16:02pm

re: #168 BeachDem

Gabby Gifford markets herself as ALIVE. And also, she’s not running for anything, because she got shot in the fucking head.

She is still active in Democratic politics and her ads are intended to advance her party.

Now, there’s nothing wrong with that, but it does mean she’s being a politician, not an activist. I just don’t like her being presented as something I think she’s not. The ads the Politico article references were attack ads by a politician to advance a political party, end story.

171 CuriousLurker  Sep 22, 2014 8:25:08pm

re: #166 Dark_Falcon

My defense is simple: Gifford’s ads struck me as nasty attacks by someone who markets herself as nice. My proposed response was based on my belief that to win a party has to neutralize the other side’s effective attackers, and some candidates should be willing to sacrifice their candidacies to get the needed hits in.

Stop. Digging.

172 Dark_Falcon  Sep 22, 2014 8:28:57pm

re: #171 CuriousLurker

Stop. Digging.

Ted told me to put up a fight or be called Sir Robin. I figured its better to get clobbered than to earn THAT moniker.

But I’ll drop it now, though it’ll come up at another time, I’m sure.

173 EPR-radar  Sep 22, 2014 8:30:03pm

re: #166 Dark_Falcon

My defense is simple: Gifford’s ads struck me as nasty attacks by someone who markets herself as nice. My proposed response was based on my belief that to win a party has to neutralize the other side’s effective attackers, and some candidates should be willing to sacrifice their candidacies to get the needed hits in.

As usual this is about election tactics and nothing more. What is it about the GOP that you so ardently support, especially at the Federal level?

Voting GOP at the local level as a reaction to the Chicago machine I can accept, since that machine probably is an endless fount of corruption.

But voting GOP at the Federal level is indisputably a vote for creationism, neo-confederacy, misogyny, racism, homophobia and a whole host of other pathologies.

174 SteelPH  Sep 22, 2014 8:32:11pm

re: #170 Dark_Falcon

She is still active in Democratic politics and her ads are intended to advance her party.

The ads the Politico article references were attack ads by a politician to advance a political party, end story.

No, not end story. This is wrong. This has been debunked over and over, but you refuse to believe this. Advocating for people NOT GETTING FUCKING KILLED BY THE GUNS YOUR WORSHIP is not advocating a political party. How the fuck do you even equate that? Is living instead of being shot now a partisan issue? Furthermore, GUNS ARE NOT MORE IMPORTANT THAT PEOPLE. This is not hard.

And what part of politics is not a team sport do you not understand? These are peoples’ lives that are being fucked with, not a sports game.

Learn some god damn mother fucking empathy. NOW. Not “later”, none of that “oh, I just can’t do that” shit, no other lame excuses to not change yourself for the better. Seriously, it still continues to elude you. Everyone is capable of empathy and you should be no different.

175 gwangung  Sep 22, 2014 8:43:40pm

re: #172 Dark_Falcon

Ted told me to put up a fight or be called Sir Robin. I figured its better to get clobbered than to earn THAT moniker..

Put up a fight, but don’t be stupid about it. You’re being a dick on this, not defending your position.

176 TedStriker  Sep 22, 2014 8:54:58pm

re: #175 gwangung

Put up a fight, but don’t be stupid about it. You’re being a dick on this, not defending your position.

Forget it, you’re wasting your time.

Dark’s not going to change his RAH RAH TEAM views for you, me, or anyone else but himself, if and when the time ever comes.

177 FemNaziBitch  Sep 23, 2014 9:07:57am
“Patriarchy is God’s umbrella of protection. By honoring and submitting to their husbands, wives receive the privileges of their spiritual protection. If a wife resists her husband’s instructions, she forfeits her place under his protection - not just for herself, but for also for her children.”

Escape from Duggarville: How playing the good Christian housewife almost killed me

At the women’s shelter, I was given a form to complete … I wrote three pages describing the situation in our home, and after reading what I had written, the crisis volunteer said to me, “The judge will not grant you a protection order unless you actually accuse your husband of abuse.”

I told her that I didn’t really think my husband was “technically” abusive, and in fact, I had no doubt that he truly loved me and the kids. He always put us first … he basically centered his entire life around us! We were a good Christian family. The Bible commands husbands to “love your wives as Christ loved the church.” That’s the sort of godly man I was married to: a true patriarch who ruled his home according to God’s principles for marriage and family.

. …

“So,” the woman at the domestic violence shelter asked me, “if he’s such a great, loving husband and father, what are you doing here? Why do you need a protection order?”

From Raw Story, not paged.

178 FemNaziBitch  Sep 23, 2014 9:18:43am

Human Activity as seen thru MRI:
Youtube Video

179 FemNaziBitch  Sep 23, 2014 9:21:01am

re: #166 Dark_Falcon

My defense is simple: Gifford’s ads struck me as nasty attacks by someone who markets herself as nice. My proposed response was based on my belief that to win a party has to neutralize the other side’s effective attackers, and some candidates should be willing to sacrifice their candidacies to get the needed hits in.

The woman is a survivor of a bullet to the brain.

I think she is no tool.


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