Bachmann Calls for Religious War Against Islam: “Kill, Kill, Kill”

“Yes Mr. President, it is about Islam!”
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Speaking at the Values Voter Summit, the annual meeting of religious fanatics and social conservative loons, Michele “Crazy Eyes” Bachmann shares her strategy for what she sees as a religious war against Islam: “Kill, kill, kill!”

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1 Kragar  Sep 26, 2014 10:40:23am
2 Bulworth  Sep 26, 2014 10:42:13am
Bachmann then once again offered her sage advice to defeating ISIS, advice she seems to think that Obama is ignoring as he launches airstrikes against them: “You kill their leader, you kill their council, you kill their army until they wave the white flag of surrender. That’s how you win a war!”

Hot damn, how come no one else thought of this?
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3 Bulworth  Sep 26, 2014 10:43:01am

Obama should do something. But not send Americans to die. Not that.

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4 Kragar  Sep 26, 2014 10:43:24am
“Well, Mr. Obama and Mrs. Clinton, we want our 1980s foreign policy back! Peace through strength! Peace through strength! We don’t want your failed ‘Russian reset’! We don’t want four Americans dead in Benghazi!”

She wants to fund Death Squads and sell munitions to Iran?

5 Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 26, 2014 10:43:51am

re: #2 Bulworth

Hot damn, how come no one else thought of this?
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It’s worked for Israel for decades! That’s why there are never any terrorist attack on Israel!
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6 rhuarc  Sep 26, 2014 10:44:12am

Why is the “right to life” party always the first to call for more deaths overseas?

7 Lidane  Sep 26, 2014 10:44:19am

“The beatings will continue until morale improves!”

Because that always works.

8 Charles Johnson  Sep 26, 2014 10:44:32am

She wants to kill. Kill them. Kill them all.

9 Lidane  Sep 26, 2014 10:44:38am

re: #6 rhuarc

Why is the “right to life” party always the first to call for more deaths overseas?

Because they’re not the ones in the line of fire.

10 ObserverArt  Sep 26, 2014 10:45:03am

I think ISIS has gotten to Bachmann.

She seems to have lost her head.

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11 Bulworth  Sep 26, 2014 10:45:38am

re:
#4

“Well, Mr. Obama and Mrs. Clinton, we want our 1980s foreign policy back! Peace through strength! Peace through strength! We don’t want your failed ‘Russian reset’! We don’t want four Americans dead in Benghazi!”

Someone actually said this?

12 Kragar  Sep 26, 2014 10:45:55am

Dewhurst was on before her:

13 HappyWarrior  Sep 26, 2014 10:46:32am

Remember when Bush won the Muslim vote and then told Americans not to blame all Muslims for 9/11. Could not stand Bush but man this crap makes me wish he still had actual influence over conservatives and the GOP.

14 PhillyPretzel  Sep 26, 2014 10:46:34am

As long as she does not want to kill Lord Grantham’s dog we have a deal. /

15 Randall Gross  Sep 26, 2014 10:46:36am

Splc has a good page up on the Values Voter summit :

splcenter.org

also noteworthy :

some are trying to dub Frein as the ‘Diaper Sniper’ :

16 Lidane  Sep 26, 2014 10:46:43am

re: #12 Kragar

And now you know why David Dewhurst is at home and Ted Cruz is in the Senate.

17 Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 26, 2014 10:47:38am

re: #8 Charles Johnson

She wants to kill. Kill them. Kill them all.

She and her ilk think there’s a discrete group of people, “Thuh Terr’rists”, and all you have to do is kill all of THEM, and you win. And if you kill civilians along the way, their families will accept that, unless THEY were already Terr’rists, which is the only possible reason they’d take up arms against us when their family members are killed.

It’s a profoundly simplistic view, for profoundly simple minds.

18 Kragar  Sep 26, 2014 10:47:58am

re: #16 Lidane

And now you know why David Dewhurst is at home and Ted Cruz is in the Senate.

Cruz opened for them:

19 Charles Johnson  Sep 26, 2014 10:48:08am

I find it a little amazing how extreme the anti-Muslim rhetoric has gotten on the right wing. We now see top Republican politicians saying absolutely vile things that would have gotten them banned from LGF even back when the site was far more critical of Islam.

I never allowed the kinds of things at LGF that these people are saying routinely these days — stuff like internment camps, total war, nuking cities. They’re basically advocating genocide on a massive scale. It’s absolutely nauseating.

20 Bulworth  Sep 26, 2014 10:48:12am

re:
#12

The zombie lies just never die. They’re repeated then refuted. Then months later they come back, put forward as brand new proven confirmed information the librule media won’t report, etc.

21 HappyWarrior  Sep 26, 2014 10:48:39am

re: #19 Charles Johnson

I find it a little amazing how extreme the anti-Muslim rhetoric has gotten on the right wing. We now see top Republican politicians saying absolutely vile things that would have gotten them banned from LGF even back when the site was far more critical of Islam.

I never allowed the kind of things at LGF that these people are saying routinely these days — stuff like internment camps, total war, nuking cities. They’re basically advocating genocide on a massive scale. It’s absolutely nauseating.

It’s evil.

22 Kragar  Sep 26, 2014 10:50:10am

I hate when Twitter changes the tweet but doesn’t update the HTTP

23 HappyWarrior  Sep 26, 2014 10:51:48am

But please don’t call Republicans assholes. They’re humans too.//

24 Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 26, 2014 10:52:21am

re: #20 Bulworth

re:
#12

The zombie lies just never die. They’re repeated then refuted. Then months later they come back, put forward as brand new proven confirmed information the librule media won’t report, etc.

It’s that, more than anything else, that drove me away from even trying to communicate with anyone on the Right. You can demonstrate easily, for example, that tax cuts have never increased tax revenues. You can point out that even Conservative economists admit this is true. You beat the lie into the ground.

Next month, some idiot posts, “We know that tax cuts increase tax revenues!”

No point.

25 klys  Sep 26, 2014 10:52:26am

re: #19 Charles Johnson

I find it a little amazing how extreme the anti-Muslim rhetoric has gotten on the right wing. We now see top Republican politicians saying absolutely vile things that would have gotten them banned from LGF even back when the site was far more critical of Islam.

I never allowed the kinds of things at LGF that these people are saying routinely these days — stuff like internment camps, total war, nuking cities. They’re basically advocating genocide on a massive scale. It’s absolutely nauseating.

Oh, but none of them are actual influential Republicans and it doesn’t reflect the party values… you know, in other words, not all Republicans.

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Sorry, someone’s denial recently has been bugging me.

26 Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 26, 2014 10:52:38am

re: #23 HappyWarrior

But please don’t call Republicans assholes. They’re humans too.//

Assumes facts not in evidence.

27 jaunte  Sep 26, 2014 10:52:57am

Oh, it is a holy war against Islam?
Good job helping to recruit for ISIS, Michele.

28 klys  Sep 26, 2014 10:53:11am

re: #26 GeneJockey

Assumes facts not in evidence.

Gah, smacks a little too closely to last night’s troll.

29 Schadenboner  Sep 26, 2014 10:54:19am

re: #19 Charles Johnson

I find it a little amazing how extreme the anti-Muslim rhetoric has gotten on the right wing. We now see top Republican politicians saying absolutely vile things that would have gotten them banned from LGF even back when the site was far more critical of Islam.

I never allowed the kind of things at LGF that these people are saying routinely these days — stuff like internment camps, total war, nuking cities. They’re basically advocating genocide on a massive scale. It’s absolutely nauseating.

Fascists gonna fasc, bro.

30 PhillyPretzel  Sep 26, 2014 10:54:20am

re: #28 klys

We had a troll last night? I have not put my grill away yet. :)

31 Lidane  Sep 26, 2014 10:54:33am

re: #23 HappyWarrior

But please don’t call Republicans assholes. They’re humans too.//

We drive hybrid cars! We get tattoos! We drink lattes! We read the NYT! We eat gourmet foods!

Y u no liek us?

32 klys  Sep 26, 2014 10:54:48am

re: #30 PhillyPretzel

We had a troll last night? I have not put my grill away yet. :)

No, this one was not worth grilling. Nasty rhetoric in the pages.

33 HappyWarrior  Sep 26, 2014 10:55:02am

re: #30 PhillyPretzel

We had a troll last night? I have not put my grill away yet. :)

Yeah look in the Republicans are people page. It’s not even good satire.

34 HappyWarrior  Sep 26, 2014 10:55:27am

re: #32 klys

No, this one was not worth grilling. Nasty rhetoric in the pages.

Troll tartar.

35 Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 26, 2014 10:56:19am

re: #28 klys

Gah, smacks a little too closely to last night’s troll.

Oooo! What’d I miss? A good, old fashioned Troll Roast?

Mrs. J and I were watching the first 2 episodes of ‘Orphan Black’, which is kind of like “Dark Angel” meets “The Patty Duke Show”.

36 Charles Johnson  Sep 26, 2014 10:57:15am

Oh, that “Megan Singer” troll?

37 Feline Fearless Leader  Sep 26, 2014 10:57:56am

One of the suspects in the assault on two gay men in Philadelphia has managed to lose her job already as well. But not for something related to the case, though I’d argue that it seems to support the fact that the woman appears to have severe character shortcomings.

bizjournals.com

38 HappyWarrior  Sep 26, 2014 10:58:00am

Worst troll episode ever. Even worse than barflytom.

39 klys  Sep 26, 2014 10:58:23am

re: #36 Charles Johnson

Oh, that “Megan Singer” troll?

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I figured. Thank you for that.

The first comment they made wasn’t too bad but things rapidly went downhill.

40 Shiplord Kirel  Sep 26, 2014 10:58:39am

Re-post, probably more relevant here.

More head desk:

Some RWNJs see the Oklahoma murder as more proof that we need to outlaw Muslim immigration and deport all Muslims.

This is serious alternate reality stuff:

Obama continues, day by day, hour by hour, minute by minute, to bring (and allow) millions of enemy agents and just anti-American/anti-Christian Islamics into America

day by day, hour by hour

minute by minute

he has our borders wide open, he’s given orders to our border agents not to shoot or pursue or whatever, and he’s even used our tax money to pay for bringing more Islamics into USA from hostile or enemy countriesday by day, hour by hour

This one is more moderate but still invokes the “m word” when describing the alleged threat:

And yet the country continues playing muslim roulette by letting more muslims in. Sure most are honest, but lets say we let in 1,000,000 (an absurdly low figure), that’s 1000 ticking time bombs.

Needless to say, the low life suspect is a local guy and has almost certainly never been out of the country.

The terrorist border crossing rhetoric is made up from whole cloth. Would fanatical Muslims really abandon their prayer rugs and Qurans on the side of the road?

Islamophobic rhetoric was already at fever pitch before the atrocious murder in Oklahoma this morning. The crazies will exploit that tragedy for all it is worth, pouring more fuel onto an already blazing fire.

It is like bitter ashes to say so, but I think we will see some attacks on American Muslims.

The threat to any one individual or institution is probably miniscule, but I urge our Muslim members to stay alert and report anything threatening or unusual.

41 Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 26, 2014 10:58:58am

re: #38 HappyWarrior

Worst troll episode ever. Even worse than barflytom.

Whenever I see the word ‘barfly’, my mind parses it as ‘barf-ly’, not ‘bar-fly’.

42 HappyWarrior  Sep 26, 2014 10:59:31am

re: #41 GeneJockey

Whenever I see the word ‘barfly’, my mind parses it as ‘barf-ly’, not ‘bar-fly’.

Hehe yeah. That guy was an ass.

43 Eventual Carrion  Sep 26, 2014 10:59:59am

Talking like that she sounds like radical Islam. Guess I shouldn’t be surprised, radical is radical in anybody’s name.

44 HappyWarrior  Sep 26, 2014 11:00:40am

re: #43 Eventual Carrion

Talking like that she sounds like radical Islam. Guess I shouldn’t be surprised, radical is radical in anybody’s name.

THe only thing she really disagrees with them is religion. She sure as hell does share their homophobia, sexism, racism, and antisemitism.

45 Charles Johnson  Sep 26, 2014 11:02:17am

re: #39 klys

I figured. Thank you for that.

The first comment they made wasn’t too bad but things rapidly went downhill.

It was very obviously a right wing loon.

46 Bulworth  Sep 26, 2014 11:02:58am

re:
#40

The Republican rebranding appears to be going well.

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47 jaunte  Sep 26, 2014 11:03:34am
48 HappyWarrior  Sep 26, 2014 11:04:28am

re: #46 Bulworth

re:
#40

The Republican rebranding appears to be going well.

/

You know when you think about it, they were telling the truth in a way. It was rebranding not changing the product. Basically that is to say if you sell shit as a five star meal, you’re still selling shit. And that’s been the case with the GOP since 2012 and I see no reason for that to change any time soon.

49 jaunte  Sep 26, 2014 11:05:02am

1985-87: Iran-Contra affair
en.wikipedia.org

50 Feline Fearless Leader  Sep 26, 2014 11:05:14am

re: #40 Shiplord Kirel

I’d like to see the court case where a US citizen converts to Islam and then some law attempts to forcibly deport them as a result of the conversion.

51 HappyWarrior  Sep 26, 2014 11:06:32am

re: #47 jaunte

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Someone needs to tell Michelle about Beirut or the fact that Ronnie actually talked to Gorby. And Michelle anti-Israel? Hint it wasn’t his administration that visited a SS cemetery or had an adviser say “Fuck the Jews” but I know how much you care about Israel. // Not. Really sick of Fundies like her using Israel as a pathetic shield to attack POTUS when they’re the real anti-Israel ones with their Rapture fantasies. It’s not that Israel is a longtime ally. It’s the rapture. Not real genuine friendship with the Israelis for them.

52 Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 26, 2014 11:08:09am

re: #49 jaunte

1985-87: Iran-Contra affair
en.wikipedia.org

Yeah, I find it very entertaining that the Right thinks they want Reagan against ISIS - the guy who cut and ran from Beirut after 241 Marines were killed; the man who sold arms to Iran in exchange for hostages, then used the money to support death squads in defiance of Congress; the man who negotiated with our adversaries without precondition.

Reagan’s first move against ISIS? Send in Ollie North to sell them guns.

53 jaunte  Sep 26, 2014 11:08:32am
54 WhatEVs  Sep 26, 2014 11:09:25am

re: #37 Feline Fearless Leader

The one where daddy is the chief of police? I have to wonder if daddy has gotten his little girl out of messes in the past.

55 Ace-o-aces  Sep 26, 2014 11:09:47am
“Well, Mr. Obama and Mrs. Clinton, we want our 1980s foreign policy back! Peace through strength! Peace through strength!

Uh, in the 1980’s we were funding Islamic fundamentalism in opposition to Communism.

56 HappyWarrior  Sep 26, 2014 11:09:47am

re: #52 GeneJockey

Yeah, I find it very entertaining that the Right thinks they want Reagan against ISIS - the guy who cut and ran from Beirut after 241 Marines were killed; the man who sold arms to Iran in exchange for hostages, then used the money to support death squads in defiance of Congress; the man who negotiated with our adversaries without precondition.

Reagan’s first move against ISIS? Send in Ollie North to sell them guns.

That’s because Reagan made them feel better about their pathetic ideology because he was one of the only people who could disguise the bullshit that it really was from the American people. If Reagan was an electoral loser like McCain or Romney, he’d be a RINO but because Reagan was a dishonest electoral landslide winner, he gets a pass for being a total fraud on the same things they accuse Obama of being weak for.

57 HappyWarrior  Sep 26, 2014 11:11:26am

re: #53 jaunte

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Persecuting conservatives? Yeah that’s why this summit is being shut down by Obama and why the Tea Party and like minded groups have been banned. What’s that? You’re telling me that the Republicans have a shot at the Senate? Really these freaks aren’t persecuted at all. God they want so badly to be like the victims of Nazi Germany, it’s not even funny. Guys if you want to be the victim of a real totalitarian regime, please either invent a time machine or move to Iran. You’re not victims at all.

58 WhatEVs  Sep 26, 2014 11:11:27am

re: #52 GeneJockey

Yeah, I find it very entertaining that the Right thinks they want Reagan against ISIS - the guy who cut and ran from Beirut after 241 Marines were killed; the man who sold arms to Iran in exchange for hostages, then used the money to support death squads in defiance of Congress; the man who negotiated with our adversaries without precondition.

Reagan’s first move against ISIS? Send in Ollie North to sell them guns.

Could you imagine the level of outrage if Beirut happened under Obama’s watch?

They wouldn’t just impeach him, they’d kill him. Literally.

59 Mike Lamb  Sep 26, 2014 11:11:29am

re: #40 Shiplord Kirel

Re-post, probably more relevant here.

More head desk:

Some RWNJs see the Oklahoma murder as more proof that we need to outlaw Muslim immigration and deport all Muslims.

This is serious alternate reality stuff:

This one is more moderate but still invokes the “m word” when describing the alleged threat:

The terrorist border crossing rhetoric is made up from whole cloth. Would fanatical Muslims really abandon their prayer rugs and Qurans on the side of the road?

Islamophobic rhetoric was already at fever pitch before the atrocious murder in Oklahoma this morning. The crazies will exploit that tragedy for all it is worth, pouring more fuel onto an already blazing fire.

It is like bitter ashes to say so, but I think we will see some attacks on American Muslims.

The threat to any one individual or institution is probably miniscule, but I urge our Muslim members to stay alert and report anything threatening or unusual.

That person thinks there are far more than 1,000,000 Muslims entering the country annually? Um, what?

60 Lidane  Sep 26, 2014 11:11:37am

Robert Dees: ‘Islamic Sanctuaries’ Throughout America Are Protecting Terrorists

When not reflecting on Common Core’s threat to national security, Major Gen. (Ret.) Robert Dees told Values Voter Summit attendees that Nashville, Tennessee, Lackawanna, New York, Greenville, North Carolina and Dearborn, Michigan are “all Islamic sanctuaries in the United States within which there are fundamentalist sleeper cells.”

“We have been infiltrated,” he said. “The enemy is within.”

Dees, who now works at Liberty University, also claimed that “entitlements” and policies “catering to illegal immigrants” represent “a pervasive culture of appeasement” that are undermining America’s strength and might.

61 HappyWarrior  Sep 26, 2014 11:12:01am

re: #55 Ace-o-aces

Uh, in the 1980’s we were funding Islamic fundamentalism in opposition to Communism.

Imagine that. But yeah none of them ever mention that. Hmmmmmm.

62 Bulworth  Sep 26, 2014 11:12:21am

re:
#55

Uh, in the 1980’s we were funding Islamic fundamentalism in opposition to Communism.

No we werent dont go quoting ur common core revision history to me!!!11

63 Mike Lamb  Sep 26, 2014 11:13:20am

re: #47 jaunte

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Amazing that Hillary continues to set foreign policy after resigning as SOS almost 20 months ago…

64 nines09  Sep 26, 2014 11:13:39am

Is that crazy lady wearing a lot of rouge or is it war paint? What a disturbing personage she is. I Wanna Kill

65 allegro  Sep 26, 2014 11:13:39am

re: #54 WhatEVs

The one where daddy is the chief of police? I have to wonder if daddy has gotten his little girl out of messes in the past.

Strangely, I don’t wonder about that at all.

66 Bulworth  Sep 26, 2014 11:13:47am

re:
#60

Robert Dees: ‘Islamic Sanctuaries’ Throughout America Are Protecting Terrorists

What could go wrong by saying something like this?

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67 CuriousLurker  Sep 26, 2014 11:13:54am

re: #50 Feline Fearless Leader

I’d like to see the court case where a US citizen converts to Islam and then some law attempts to forcibly deport them as a result of the conversion.

I was just thinking about that. I’ve been Muslim for over 20 years and was born in Texas. I’m not clear on where they think I should be deported to. //

68 Mike Lamb  Sep 26, 2014 11:13:59am

re: #60 Lidane

Robert Dees: ‘Islamic Sanctuaries’ Throughout America Are Protecting Terrorists

He misspelled “conservative” or “Christian”.

69 HappyWarrior  Sep 26, 2014 11:14:15am

This isn’t going to end without some American Muslims being hurt or killed I’m afraid. And that sadly is exactly what people like Bachmann want. They want people to fear their neighbors. They want hatred. They want paranoia and mistrust.

70 Timothy Watson  Sep 26, 2014 11:15:14am

re: #47 jaunte

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Peace through giving weapons to Iran and backing down every time the United States was challenged or Americans were killed?

71 Bulworth  Sep 26, 2014 11:15:23am

re:
#68

He misspelled “conservative” or “Christian”.

Spelling proficiency isn’t what it used to be.

72 PhillyPretzel  Sep 26, 2014 11:15:33am

Right now I am at Wegman’s and all they have on their TV is CNN and that channel has an “ISIS firefight LIVE.” That is all they are showing.

73 jaunte  Sep 26, 2014 11:15:48am
Retiring Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-Minn.) bashed the White House’s strategy on ISIS and called President Obama the “first anti-Israel president in American history” during a fiery speech Friday.
thehill.com

It’s too bad the reporter at The Hill can’t just drop the pretence and call the speech “crazy” or “completely irresponsible.”

74 HappyWarrior  Sep 26, 2014 11:16:07am

re: #70 Timothy Watson

Peace through giving weapons to Iran and backing down every time the United States was challenged or Americans were killed?

Yeah but he was charismatic and so optimistic. *Cue that one political cartoon about Reagan’s shortcomings*.

75 wrenchwench  Sep 26, 2014 11:16:09am

I see Michele Bachmann but I hear Pam Geller.

Did Geller finally find a competent surgeon?

76 Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 26, 2014 11:16:34am

re: #56 HappyWarrior

That’s because Reagan made them feel better about their pathetic ideology because he was one of the only people who could disguise the bullshit that it really was from the American people. If Reagan was an electoral loser like McCain or Romney, he’d be a RINO but because Reagan was a dishonest electoral landslide winner, he gets a pass for being a total fraud on the same things they accuse Obama of being weak for.

IMO, it’s more that Reagan talked a more Conservative game than he actually played. They LOVED that ‘Ashheap of history’ stuff, but in reality many Conservatives were really mad at him for negotiating with Gorbachev, and were afraid he’d give far too much away. And for all his bitching about Socialism, he was instrumental in SAVING Social Security, raising taxes and putting the EITC in place to compensate for the inherently regressive nature of FICA taxes. And for all his Ruggedly Independent Western persona, he supported and lobbied for both the Brady Bill and the Assault Weapons ban.

But most of today’s Conservatives not only DON’T remember that, I think they are constitutionally incapable of retaining memories of those facts even if you PROVE they’re true. Seriously, I think they simply forget everything but the Zombie Reagan mythos.

77 nines09  Sep 26, 2014 11:17:57am

re: #69 HappyWarrior

This isn’t going to end without some American Muslims being hurt or killed I’m afraid. And that sadly is exactly what people like Bachmann want. They want people to fear their neighbors. They want hatred. They want paranoia and mistrust.

No. They’re regular people, just like you and me and this rabid drooling baboon in a cage I have here. See? ////

78 Bulworth  Sep 26, 2014 11:18:13am
Right now I am at Wegman’s and all they have on their TV is CNN and that channel has an “ISIS firefight LIVE.” That is all they are showing.

This is what Rand Paul was referring to when he said that as president, he, Rand Paul, would have called for a congressional resolution to approve going to war against ISIS which Michele Bachmann is demanding that Obama do, go to war against ISIS, which Obama won’t do, except Paul claims Obama should have gone to congress before going to war against ISIS.

Are you getting the message yet?

/

79 Rightwingconspirator  Sep 26, 2014 11:18:35am

re: #52 GeneJockey

the guy who cut and ran from Beirut after 241 Marines were killed…

Reagan’s first move against ISIS? Send in Ollie North to sell them guns.

Cut and ran? Funny how that decision was applauded in so many quarters.

Yet, just three days later, on Feb. 7, Reagan ordered the Marines to “redeploy” to their ships offshore — which was actually a full withdrawal achieved in three weeks. Although the Marine’s mission in Lebanon was not clearly defined and, subsequently, not achieved, Reagan’s tacit admission of failure and withdrawal of the Marines from Lebanon limited America’s further involvement in foreign-policy disaster — saving money, lives, and time. Many pundits later claimed wrongly that Reagan was erroneous, because Osama bin Laden contended that the withdrawal was a sign of U.S. weakness; as if America’s strategic choices should be held hostage to how terrorists choose to describe them.

Withdrawing from undefined and untenable missions is usually considered wise, apparently for all except Reagan.

80 HappyWarrior  Sep 26, 2014 11:18:44am

re: #76 GeneJockey

IMO, it’s more that Reagan talked a more Conservative game than he actually played. They LOVED that ‘Ashheap of history’ stuff, but in reality many Conservatives were really mad at him for negotiating with Gorbachev, and were afraid he’d give far too much away. And for all his bitching about Socialism, he was instrumental in SAVING Social Security, raising taxes and putting the EITC in place to compensate for the inherently regressive nature of FICA taxes. And for all his Ruggedly Independent Western persona, he supported and lobbied for both the Brady Bill and the Assault Weapons ban.

But most of today’s Conservatives not only DON’T remember that, I think they are constitutionally incapable of retaining memories of those facts even if you PROVE they’re true. Seriously, I think they simply forget everything but the Zombie Reagan mythos.

I think you’re right ultimately but I do think Reagan does get a pass by them because he was able to win. McCain and Romney definitely have run to Reagan’s right yet they’re RINOs and Ronnie to many of them belongs on Rushmore.

81 Feline Fearless Leader  Sep 26, 2014 11:19:10am

re: #60 Lidane

Robert Dees: ‘Islamic Sanctuaries’ Throughout America Are Protecting Terrorists

Hmm, where have I seem something like this before…

donotlink.com

(trying to add donotlink - did not realize full content of that site. Ick.)

82 Shiplord Kirel  Sep 26, 2014 11:19:31am

This is just an amazing spectacle.

Millions of Americans seriously think that hordes of ISIS terrorists are pouring across the southern border and that undocumented immigrants are spreading ebola, with the connivance of the President of the United States.
Even in the McCarthy period, nobody alleged that communists were invading en masse or spreading disease.

You would have to reach back to the hysteria and exaggeration that led to the internment of Japanese Americans to find anything remotely equivalent, which is probably why RWNJs are invoking that very episode as precedent.

83 ausador  Sep 26, 2014 11:19:41am

re: #17 GeneJockey

She and her ilk think there’s a discrete group of people, “Thuh Terr’rists”, and all you have to do is kill all of THEM, and you win. And if you kill civilians along the way, their families will accept that, unless THEY were already Terr’rists, which is the only possible reason they’d take up arms against us when their family members are killed.

It’s a profoundly simplistic view, for profoundly simple minds.

That isn’t really what she said at all…

Watching the C-SPAN2 video, she said that adding “radical jihadi” to “Islam” was “redundant.” She called the battle against the terrorists “spiritual warfare” four times and then says…

Sadly our President has the wrong prescription, he even fails to acknowledge their motivations for bringing about Jihad. Yes Mr. President, it is about Islam!

And I believe that if you have an evil, the order of this magnitude you take it seriously, you declare war on it you don’t dance around it.”

This delusional “America, fuck yeah!” Christianist wants us to declare war on all 1.8 billion Muslims. Which is of course exactly what ISIS wants us to do, so that instead of 100 recruits next week they would get millions or tens of millions.

84 HappyWarrior  Sep 26, 2014 11:20:14am

re: #79 Rightwingconspirator

Cut and ran? Funny how that decision was applauded in so many quarters.

Withdrawing from undefined and untenable missions is usually considered wise, apparently for all except Reagan.

I think Gene is pointing out more so the hypocrisy of acting like Reagan was Mr. Peace through strength and that Obama is this weakling who refuses to use force. That’s my problem anyhow. You can’t act like Reagan was “peace through strength” and ignore Beirut and yet claim Obama is a foreign policy weakling.

85 Kragar  Sep 26, 2014 11:20:24am
86 Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 26, 2014 11:21:48am

re: #57 HappyWarrior

Persecuting conservatives? Yeah that’s why this summit is being shut down by Obama and why the Tea Party and like minded groups have been banned. What’s that? You’re telling me that the Republicans have a shot at the Senate? Really these freaks aren’t persecuted at all. God they want so badly to be like the victims of Nazi Germany, it’s not even funny. Guys if you want to be the victim of a real totalitarian regime, please either invent a time machine or move to Iran. You’re not victims at all.

The other day, I responded to someone on FB who’d said Michele Obama was a disgrace not only to America, but the human race in general. I told her in no uncertain terms what I thought about her, and she responded that Freedom of Speech allowed her to express her opinion without being attacked by anyone on the left.

Of course, I pointed out that Freedom of Speech meant she had the right to express her opinion, and I have the right to call her a vile, hateful person for it.

But I think it points to their mindset - they think their freedom of expression is infringed if anyone contradicts them or criticizes their opinion, or for example, boycotts a business that supports their point of view. At the same time, THEY feel free to contradict, criticize, and boycott.

Their idea of Freedom is very much one sided.

87 HappyWarrior  Sep 26, 2014 11:21:49am

re: #85 Kragar

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Of course. Have to push the “You can’t pray in school” myth. That’s one of the oldest ones in their playbook. It’s been around since my parents were kids.

88 CuriousLurker  Sep 26, 2014 11:22:02am

re: #60 Lidane

Robert Dees: ‘Islamic Sanctuaries’ Throughout America Are Protecting Terrorists

Yeah, ISIS is giving them an opportunity to crank up the bigotry & fear mongering to 11. They’re assholes, the lot of them—terrorists and right-wing opportunists. It’s almost as if they’re working together. I guess they are since both sides have the same goal in mind: All-out religious war.

89 klys  Sep 26, 2014 11:22:40am

re: #84 HappyWarrior

I think Gene is pointing out more so the hypocrisy of acting like Reagan was Mr. Peace through strength and that Obama is this weakling who refuses to use force. That’s my problem anyhow. You can’t act like Reagan was “peace through strength” and ignore Beirut and yet claim Obama is a foreign policy weakling.

Especially in light of the obsession with Benghazi as an example of why Obama is so weak.

90 klys  Sep 26, 2014 11:23:15am

re: #86 GeneJockey

The other day, I responded to someone on FB who’d said Michele Obama was a disgrace not only to America, but the human race in general. I told her in no uncertain terms what I thought about her, and she responded that Freedom of Speech allowed her to express her opinion without being attacked by anyone on the left.

Of course, I pointed out that Freedom of Speech meant she had the right to express her opinion, and I have the right to call her a vile, hateful person for it.

But I think it points to their mindset - they think their freedom of expression is infringed if anyone contradicts them or criticizes their opinion, or for example, boycotts a business that supports their point of view. At the same time, THEY feel free to contradict, criticize, and boycott.

Their idea of Freedom is very much one sided.

It’s amazing, I used to have to interact with someone who had that exact same mindset. Fortunately I don’t have to anymore.

91 Bulworth  Sep 26, 2014 11:23:21am

re:
#82

And after the conference the attendees will be so frightened they’ll gather to drink, go shopping, post pictures on Instagram, pose with the speakers, and complain about how Obamacare is giving free stuff to ileagles.

Hope somebody’s recording this stuff so we can watch it in a few decades when this group’s ideology has crashed and burned.

92 EPR-radar  Sep 26, 2014 11:24:12am

re: #88 CuriousLurker

Yeah, ISIS is giving them an opportunity to crank up the bigotry & fear mongering to 11. They’re assholes, the lot of them—terrorists and right-wing opportunists. It’s almost as if they’re working together. I guess they are since both sides have the same goal in mind: All-out religious war.

One really does wonder how much longer it will be before we have an influential right wing loon advocate a final solution to this supposed problem with Islam. It’s already there on the fringes.

93 HappyWarrior  Sep 26, 2014 11:25:33am

re: #92 EPR-radar

One really does wonder how much longer it will be before we have an influential right wing loon advocate a final solution to this supposed problem with Islam. It’s already there on the fringes.

It’s already bad enough that we got them praising Uganda’s barbaric law on homosexuality. But yeah good question. Unfortunately, it won’t shock me if it does happen. They really do hate the Muslims the way the Nazis and many others hate the Jews.

94 Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 26, 2014 11:25:58am

re: #79 Rightwingconspirator

Cut and ran? Funny how that decision was applauded in so many quarters.

Withdrawing from undefined and untenable missions is usually considered wise, apparently for all except Reagan.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. We’ve been through this before, you and I.

Remember this the next time you hear someone talk about how leaving Somalia six months after the Blackhawk Down event encouraged the terrorists, but Reagan was such a strong leader. Reagan got the hell out of Beirut much faster than Clinton got us out of Somalia (despite calls from the GOP to get out faster), but Ronnie would have protected us!

Horseshit.

95 CuriousLurker  Sep 26, 2014 11:27:16am

re: #83 ausador

That isn’t really what she said at all…

Watching the C-SPAN2 video, she said that adding “radical jihadi” to “Islam” was “redundant.” She called the battle against the terrorists “spiritual warfare” four times and then says…

THIS. There are no innocent or moderate Muslims as far as she’s concerned.

This delusional “America, fuck yeah!” Christianist wants us to declare war on all 1.8 billion Muslims. Which is of course exactly what ISIS wants us to do, so that instead of 100 recruits next week they would get millions or tens of millions.

Exactly. It’s what fundie fanatics on both sides want.

96 HappyWarrior  Sep 26, 2014 11:28:17am

re: #94 GeneJockey

Yeah, yeah, yeah. We’ve been through this before, you and I.

Remember this the next time you hear someone talk about how leaving Somalia six months after the Blackhawk Down event encouraged the terrorists, but Reagan was such a strong leader. Reagan got the hell out of Beirut much faster than Clinton got us out of Somalia (despite calls from the GOP to get out faster), but Ronnie would have protected us!

Horseshit.

Right, I really don’t have issue with Reagan’s decision but yeah I do like yourself have issue with the Reagan cult and make no mistake it is a cult of personality surrounding our 40th president that acts like Reagan would have done this and that when we have actual examples of Reagan doing the same thing that the right has screamed at presidents Obama and Clinton for doing. Yeah it’s sort of passive aggressive but goddamn it I am sick of Ronald Reagan’s pathetic cult lies.

97 HappyWarrior  Sep 26, 2014 11:30:07am

Another example. Amnesty. OBAMA’s GONNA GIVE THEM ILLEGALS AMNESTY. Yet Reagan actually did that. Did our country fall part when Reagan did that? No, ti did not. Conservatives I think as already gotten at love the idea of Reagan more than Reagan himself which is what I mean when I say they overlook his faults because he was a winner. They ignore that Reagan did things as presidents that they would have demanded impeachment of if Obama, Clinton, or even both Bushes had done.

98 Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 26, 2014 11:32:31am

re: #96 HappyWarrior

Right, I really don’t have issue with Reagan’s decision but yeah I do like yourself have issue with the Reagan cult and make no mistake it is a cult of personality surrounding our 40th president that acts like Reagan would have done this and that when we have actual examples of Reagan doing the same thing that the right has screamed at presidents Obama and Clinton for doing. Yeah it’s sort of passive aggressive but goddamn it I am sick of Ronald Reagan’s pathetic cult lies.

Interestingly, as I’ve matured and looked back, I’ve realized that Reagan was a better President than I’d given him credit for being. Not great, or even especially good, but not as bad as I’d thought.

But the reason is because he wasn’t really the person the Right portrays him as. They think he was great, because of who they imagine him to have been, denying who he really was.

99 HappyWarrior  Sep 26, 2014 11:33:08am

OBAMA WANTS TO TALK TO THE TERRORISTS. Well Reagan actually and I give him credit did talk to Gorbachev who was head of state for a country he called the Evil Empire. Really, when I attack the Reagan CoP, I’m not really even attacking Reagan who I make no secret of my disliking him as both a politician and president but I am attacking this dishonest notion that the right always does at these stupid conferences when attacking Obama is that “Reagan would have or would not have.” Reagan like any leader had a pragmatic side to hi and frankly I am glad he did even if I would never vote for him.

100 HappyWarrior  Sep 26, 2014 11:34:49am

re: #98 GeneJockey

Interestingly, as I’ve matured and looked back, I’ve realized that Reagan was a better President than I’d given him credit for being. Not great, or even especially good, but not as bad as I’d thought.

But the reason is because he wasn’t really the person the Right portrays him as. They think he was great, because of who they imagine him to have been, denying who he really was.

If Reagan was their version of Reagan, that guy gets Barry Goldwatered at the polls. I know I come off as hard on Reagan in many rants here but as I get at above it’s more with his fan club who refuse to admit that Reagan did and did not do many of the same things they scorn about Obama. He was a politician. He wasn’t the worst president of all time and nor was he the best.

101 ausador  Sep 26, 2014 11:36:15am

re: #84 HappyWarrior

I think Gene is pointing out more so the hypocrisy of acting like Reagan was Mr. Peace through strength and that Obama is this weakling who refuses to use force. That’s my problem anyhow. You can’t act like Reagan was “peace through strength” and ignore Beirut and yet claim Obama is a foreign policy weakling.

You are forgetting that these people don’t actually follow or care abot someones actions, too much effort for them. All they care about is hearing a “correct” sounding 15 second sound bite that conforms to their simplistic world view.

102 ObserverArt  Sep 26, 2014 11:49:13am

re: #67 CuriousLurker

I was just thinking about that. I’ve been Muslim for over 20 years and was born in Texas. I’m not clear on where they think I should be deported to. //

Hang on for a few more months. I think some of those cities mentioned earlier where there are enclaves will be the first areas targeted for the FEMA camps that will be built for Muslim internment.

If you’re lucky you might be able to choose Dearborn Michigan. At least you’ll be close to Pie-Onist and pie.

And won’t the RWNJs find it interesting all those mobile homes and all that FEMA stuff is going to come in handy after all,

/

103 Schadenboner  Sep 26, 2014 11:49:24am

re: #55 Ace-o-aces

You mean the Freedom Fighters?

104 Eventual Carrion  Sep 26, 2014 12:07:22pm

re: #60 Lidane

Robert Dees: ‘Islamic Sanctuaries’ Throughout America Are Protecting Terrorists

“We have been infiltrated,” he said. “The enemy is within.”

Yes Robert, and it is you and yours.

105 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Sep 26, 2014 12:30:16pm

re: #41 GeneJockey

Whenever I see the word ‘barfly’, my mind parses it as ‘barf-ly’, not ‘bar-fly’.

Whenever I see the word “biopic”, my mind parses it as “bi-opic”, as though “suffering from the condition of having two eyes.”

106 Rightwingconspirator  Sep 26, 2014 1:42:56pm

re: #84 HappyWarrior

I think Gene is pointing out more so the hypocrisy of acting like Reagan was Mr. Peace through strength and that Obama is this weakling who refuses to use force. That’s my problem anyhow. You can’t act like Reagan was “peace through strength” and ignore Beirut and yet claim Obama is a foreign policy weakling.

Fine, no need to distort the past though. Why repeat the mistakes the far right makes? Reagans peace through strength was a military buildup, not constant bombing or unwise invasions. The implied inconsistency does not exist. He should be praised by the left for the decision to pull out. But that’s just not gonna happen.

107 klys  Sep 26, 2014 1:45:01pm

re: #106 Rightwingconspirator

Fine, no need to distort the past though. Why repeat the mistakes the far right makes? Reagans peace through strength was a military buildup, not constant bombing or unwise invasions. The implied inconsistency does not exist. He should be praised by the left for the decision to pull out. But that’s just not gonna happen.

…how was what was said distorting the past? It was an accurate summation of Reagan’s actions, near as I can tell.

108 Rightwingconspirator  Sep 26, 2014 1:59:20pm

re: #107 klys

Cut and ran. That’s a terribly unfair characterization, particularly from anyone that thinks under defined military missions in the middle east are a bad idea. As I said that decision should be lauded these days, but instead we have a distortion to answer stupid comments from the far right. What is is about Reagan that makes for hindsight bias again and again from both the left and right?

109 klys  Sep 26, 2014 2:04:35pm

re: #108 Rightwingconspirator

Cut and ran. That’s a terribly unfair characterization, particularly from anyone that thinks under defined military missions in the middle east are a bad idea. As I said that decision should be lauded these days, but instead we have a distortion to answer stupid comments from the far right. What is is about Reagan that makes for hindsight bias again and again from both the left and right?

I have no issue with the decision. I also have no issue with the description. The decision was made to remove troops from the region and therefore cut potential losses.

If Obama had made the same decision, especially in light of the loss of so many Marine lives, you can bet the right wing would be screaming for his head on a platter. I mean, we have heard how much about Benghazi? And yet Reagan is a saint to them. That absolutely makes bringing the point up relevant and accurate. Hypocrisy should not be ignored.

110 nkdee  Sep 27, 2014 5:17:00am

re: #6 rhuarc

Because they are pre-born and NOT post-born. Once the fetus becomes a person they really don’t give a damn about them.

111 Rocky-in-Connecticut  Sep 27, 2014 5:18:16am

for those who want to install statues of the Ten Commandments everywhere on all public property they sure do have a problem with at least one of these commandments. Well, two for sure.

Bearing False Witness is simply par for the course. Lying is as natural as breathing for them as it helps advance their ideology. But the whole Killing part is just a nuisance. They will never let a minor nuisance like actually reading and following their own revered documents get in the way.


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