Gateway Pundit Listens to Obama Speech, Hears the Word “Great” When Obama Said “Grey,” Derp Ensues

“Barack, we’re praying for you - boy, you’re so GREY.”
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Jim Hoft, Dumbest Man on the Internet, now has a co-blogger who’s giving him competition for the title, Kristinn Taylor (who is a man). Today, Taylor has posted yet another mindless attack on Barack Obama, trying to picture him as a narcissist (right wing code for “uppity,” one of Gateway Pundit’s favorite endlessly recurring race-baiting themes) — and to do it, he mistakes the word “grey” for “great:”

OBAMA: “Wherever I See Folks, They Always Say… You’re So Great” (Video) | the Gateway Pundit.

Now, to be fair, Taylor includes a quote from a White House transcript that does (incorrectly) use the word “great,” but he also includes a video clip of the speech at the Congressional Black Caucus dinner in which the word “grey” is crystal clear — and yet still somehow manages to churn out a stupid post claiming Obama called himself “great.”

Here’s the official video, cued up at the section in question, in which Obama is joking about people telling him his hair is turning grey. Could not possibly be more obvious.

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Another classic in the annals of Gateway Pundit derpitude.

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625 comments

1 Lidane  Sep 28, 2014 4:06:28pm

It’s a goddamn miracle that Hoft gets through the day without a crash helmet.

2 FemNaziBitch  Sep 28, 2014 4:08:33pm

3 Chez Ko Pe  Sep 28, 2014 4:11:13pm

C’mon, now. Hoft doesn’t actually WATCH the sources, he skims the transcripts to find something to crap his Pampers over. Gotta be fast, get the horseshit out first before the other shit-shovelers do!

…Besides, that crafty Kenyan probably had the word “great” deliberately inserted into the transcript, just to trip Jimmy-Jim up and discredit him before he blows the dog lid off of…something something Benghazi!

4 b.d.  Sep 28, 2014 4:12:20pm

Damn, trolls that put time and effort into their posts must hate the laziness of Kristinn, he makes them all look bad.

5 A Mom Anon  Sep 28, 2014 4:14:24pm

OFFS. I don’t even know what you can say to that. Fucking stupid shitheels.

6 De Kolta Chair  Sep 28, 2014 4:17:06pm

7 FemNaziBitch  Sep 28, 2014 4:18:36pm

bbl

8 Aye Pod  Sep 28, 2014 4:27:15pm

Taylor appears to have been photographed in the act of mouthbreathing.

9 b.d.  Sep 28, 2014 4:27:20pm

That linked article even includes a video clip of President Obama saying GRAY, if any of them actually gave a shred about the truth they would say something. Ragging on Obama is the only thing that matters, truth be damned. These are the people that our mainstream media hang with and listen too.

10 freetoken  Sep 28, 2014 4:27:57pm

The sad thing is all those commenters over there who jump on the hate train. They just don’t have the honesty to admit to themselves that the DMOTI headline is just wrong.

11 Kid A  Sep 28, 2014 4:30:22pm

re: #6 De Kolta Chair

Oh my godz, that is wonderful.

12 De Kolta Chair  Sep 28, 2014 4:31:44pm

Well, you know who else is grey. Just saying.

13 Aye Pod  Sep 28, 2014 4:31:49pm

re: #6 De Kolta Chair

“This wingnut tried to combine the pursuit of pleasure with the keeping and bearing of arms. You will not believe what happens next”

14 Skip Intro  Sep 28, 2014 4:32:05pm

re: #10 freetoken

The sad thing is all those commenters over there who jump on the hate train. They just don’t have the honesty to admit to themselves that the DMOTI headline is just wrong.

They know that 1) their readers don’t care if they’re wrong and 2) admitting being wrong would create a backlash against them by those same readers. That’s why you will never see any RWNJ site admit error, ever.

15 b.d.  Sep 28, 2014 4:34:18pm

re: #12 De Kolta Chair

Well, you know who else is grey. Just saying.

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OBAMA’S NOT GREY, HE’S RED!

16 b.d.  Sep 28, 2014 4:39:23pm

OT, I see the Lara Logan is back off of her timeout and back on 60 Minutes this evening.

Shameful

17 De Kolta Chair  Sep 28, 2014 4:40:20pm

re: #15 b.d.

///

18 freetoken  Sep 28, 2014 4:40:33pm

Also derping today:

Ben Carson: Government Is Supposed To Conform To The People, Not The Other Way Around

[…]

WALLACE: You are thinking about running for president in 2016. […] You said recently that you thought that there might not actually be elections in 2016 because of widespread anarchy. Do you really believe that?

CARSON: Well, I hope that that’s not going to be the case, but certainly there is the potential. Because you have to recognize that we have a rapidly increasing national debt. [umm… no, the debt increase has been stabilizing] A very unstable financial foundation. [ummm… no, we’re pretty much the same we’ve been for years] And you have all these things going on like the ISIS crisis that could very rapidly change things that are going on in our nation. [ummm… ISIS is not an existential threat to the US. The US is not Iraq.] And unless we begin to deal with these things in a comprehensive way, and in a logical way, there is no telling what could happen in just a matter of a couple of years. And particularly in a situation where we have a Senate and a Senate leader who has over 300 bills sitting on his desk will not bring them to the floor for a vote, thereby thwarting the will of the people. And this country was supposed to be a country where the government conformed to the will of the people, not the people conform to the will of the government.

But… but… but… I thought the government was supposed to carry out God’s will, not man’s? That’s what the VVS kept telling me.

19 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 28, 2014 4:40:46pm

re: #6 De Kolta Chair

The funniest (and scariest) part of that caribou hunting episode was watching her dad (the great Alaaaaskan hunter) using his rifle as a hiking stick and then falling down into a ditch with it.
I was surprised he didn’t accidentally shoot himself or someone else.
OTOH, they used that as an excuse for the sights being “off” when it took her five or six times to hit a caribou that never moved….

20 Lidane  Sep 28, 2014 4:44:30pm

re: #18 freetoken

Also derping today:

Ben Carson: Government Is Supposed To Conform To The People, Not The Other Way Around
.

Anyone who supports Carson for POTUS gives up all pretense of being a serious thinker. The man’s never held a single elective office. Who in their right mind would vote for him to lead the country?

21 sagehen  Sep 28, 2014 4:45:16pm

re: #18 freetoken

Also derping today:

Ben Carson: Government Is Supposed To Conform To The People, Not The Other Way Around

But… but… but… I thought the government was supposed to carry out God’s will, not man’s? That’s what the VVS kept telling me.

And here I was thinking that the greastest threat to stability was the millions of heavily-armed right-wing whackos.

22 allegro  Sep 28, 2014 4:45:45pm

re: #20 Lidane

Anyone who supports Carson for POTUS gives up all pretense of being a serious thinker. The man’s never held a single elective office. Who in their right mind would vote for him to lead the country?

See words 2 thru 5.

23 Targetpractice  Sep 28, 2014 4:48:56pm

re: #20 Lidane

Anyone who supports Carson for POTUS gives up all pretense of being a serious thinker. The man’s never held a single elective office. Who in their right mind would vote for him to lead the country?

People who think half a term as governor makes Sarah Palin presidential timber.

24 teleskiguy  Sep 28, 2014 4:52:48pm

Heh! My pops engaged Mr. Williamson.

25 WhatEVs  Sep 28, 2014 4:59:55pm

re: #6 De Kolta Chair

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Is that Palin locking and loading in 1400 Penn Ave? /

26 b.d.  Sep 28, 2014 5:05:24pm

And Greenwald screeching about how Obama said some people in the world look towards us for help

27 ObserverArt  Sep 28, 2014 5:07:22pm

re: #20 Lidane

Anyone who supports Carson for POTUS gives up all pretense of being a serious thinker. The man’s never held a single elective office. Who in their right mind would vote for him to lead the country?

Well, in the overnight thread there was mention of the Values Voters Summit straw poll having 179 votes for Ben Carson, which at 19.8% made him the second highest vote getter out of 901 voters.

So, sadly there are those that would vote for Doc Ben.

Link to Values Voters Straw Poll comment by Stanley Sea

28 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Sep 28, 2014 5:09:20pm

re: #18 freetoken

And particularly in a situation where we have a Senate and a Senate leader who has over 300 bills sitting on his desk will not bring them to the floor for a vote, thereby thwarting the will of the people.

Strangely, he fails to mention how many times the minority party in the Senate has used filibuster rules to prevent votes on bills with majority support.

Thereby thwarting the will of the people.

Nor does he mention the Speaker’s adherence to the Hastert rule in the House, preventing bills supported by the majority of House members from coming to the floor unless they have majority support within the majority party (which, incidentally, did not win the majority of votes cast for House seats in the last election).

Thereby thwarting the will of the people.

29 teleskiguy  Sep 28, 2014 5:10:44pm

Clueless hack.

30 bratwurst  Sep 28, 2014 5:11:58pm

re: #29 teleskiguy

Clueless hack.

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Right…because nobody EVER got an abortion prior to Roe v Wade. /

31 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 28, 2014 5:12:54pm

re: #29 teleskiguy

Clueless hack.

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32 Botsplainer  Sep 28, 2014 5:14:55pm

I had the distinct displeasure to interact with Taylor and actually meet him over a dozen years ago. Stupid, paranoid and unpleasant would be the adjectives I would use to describe him then; I can only imagine that he’s gotten even worse since then.

33 Stanley Sea  Sep 28, 2014 5:15:51pm

Anyone with basic comprehension knows that President Obama is a rather mild Democrat, not an left wing ideologue. All the fears of the RWNJ’s are just that, unfounded fears. Hell, for the last 6 years they’ve very successfully monetized that fear.

Now, thinking of a Ted Cruz presidency. I believe he is a radical ideologue. And I bet you would see Stanley Sea turn into a nut sandwich.

At this point I think I would react to a Romney, Christie or even Bush presidency with disdain, but would not freak out.

Makes me think we are kinda fucked.

34 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 28, 2014 5:17:52pm

OK, there’s an opening in the discussion now.
But I’m in the middle of work right now and can’t research.
When exactly did abortion technically become illegal in this country?

35 ausador  Sep 28, 2014 5:17:56pm

lol, taking his own logic one step further…

Seems reasonable to me… ///

36 Stanley Sea  Sep 28, 2014 5:18:24pm

re: #24 teleskiguy

Does your Dad want new followers?

37 Charles Johnson  Sep 28, 2014 5:18:54pm
38 teleskiguy  Sep 28, 2014 5:20:27pm

re: #36 Stanley Sea

Does your Dad want new followers?

I’m sure he won’t mind. He mostly uses it to talk to me and some of his favorite DJs and musicians. He is also quite the pun master!

39 sagehen  Sep 28, 2014 5:24:10pm

re: #28 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi

The majority of the people support universal background checks. (hell, even the majority of NRA members supports that).

The majority supports gay marriage.

The majority supports marijuana legalization.

A slight majority supports keeping abortion legal almost always; a large majority supports it for first trimester; an overwhelming majority supports it for cases of rape, incest, or medical need.

Funny how “majority” only matters to him on issues where the “majority” agrees with him.

40 sagehen  Sep 28, 2014 5:26:23pm

re: #34 Backwoods_Sleuth

OK, there’s an opening in the discussion now.
But I’m in the middle of work right now and can’t research.
When exactly did abortion technically become illegal in this country?

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The late 1800’s.

41 ObserverArt  Sep 28, 2014 5:28:43pm

re: #38 teleskiguy

I’m sure he won’t mind. He mostly uses it to talk to me and some of his favorite DJs and musicians. He is also quite the pun master!

[ Charles Vogel Sr. @gypguy

A dyslexic State patrolman stopped 500 women and issued them tickets for IUD’s.]

He’s good!

42 Belafon  Sep 28, 2014 5:29:15pm

re: #34 Backwoods_Sleuth

I went looking for something I had heard about a trial back in colonial America about a failed abortion attempt, and ran across this:

Following English law, abortion was legal in the American colonies until the time of “quickening” in the fetus, when the baby started to move, usually around the fourth month of pregnancy. Recipes for herbal potions including pennyroyal, savin and other plants capable of “bringing on the menses” were common in home medical guides of the period.

ETA: It contains some views from the founding fathers.

43 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 28, 2014 5:29:25pm

thank you fellow lizard for the assist!

44 Belafon  Sep 28, 2014 5:30:09pm

re: #43 Backwoods_Sleuth

Your welcome.

45 b.d.  Sep 28, 2014 5:30:56pm

re: #37 Charles Johnson

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I’m sure that the RWNJs will thank CBS and 60 Minutes for letting her back on their air after that disgraceful smear job

46 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 28, 2014 5:31:32pm

re: #44 Belafon

Your welcome.

Well done, really! Excellent link there.
I shall now go back to my regularly scheduled Sunday night high school sports editing and obituary writing…

47 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 28, 2014 5:36:07pm

re: #42 Belafon

I went looking for something I had heard about a trial back in colonial America about a failed abortion attempt, and ran across this:

This is actually a good start for a page on the subject.
If no one follows up, I might give it a try tomorrow.

48 Belafon  Sep 28, 2014 5:36:51pm

re: #46 Backwoods_Sleuth

I had heard about the trial mentioned in the article in a college US history class, and I remember just enough about it to google it.

49 WhatEVs  Sep 28, 2014 5:39:53pm

re: #27 ObserverArt

Well, in the overnight thread there was mention of the Values Voters Summit straw poll having 179 votes for Ben Carson, which at 19.8% made him the second highest vote getter out of 901 voters.

So, sadly there are those that would vote for Doc Ben.

Link to Values Voters Straw Poll comment by Stanley Sea

Let’s face it, there’s a certain number of voters who would vote for Daffy Duck.

Thankfully, they, like those who’d vote for Carson are few. Very few. Likely not many more than those who straw polled him into 2nd place in the CrazyVoterSummit.

50 Charles Johnson  Sep 28, 2014 5:40:16pm

re: #42 Belafon

I went looking for something I had heard about a trial back in colonial America about a failed abortion attempt, and ran across this:

I tweeted this link:

51 dholmes32  Sep 28, 2014 5:41:35pm

re: #40 sagehen

The late 1800’s.

It’s my understanding that abortion became criminalized as the medical field became more professionalized. Midwifery and associated practices became illegal as doctors became licensed by the state.

IMHO if abortion were well and truly outlawed, you’d see a trade in illegal abortifacients to dwarf other illegal drug markets. It’s not as if a mother in Pennsylvania isn’t facing jail time for getting her 16 YO daughter mifestiprone.

52 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 28, 2014 5:42:52pm

re: #50 Charles Johnson

I tweeted this link:

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I can do some more research tomorrow morning for a page, if you think it’s worth the time?

53 Charles Johnson  Sep 28, 2014 5:43:18pm

re: #52 Backwoods_Sleuth

I can do some more research tomorrow morning for a page, if you think it’s worth the time?

Absolutely! That would make an excellent page.

54 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 28, 2014 5:44:13pm

re: #51 dholmes32

It’s my understanding that abortion became criminalized as the medical field became more professionalized. Midwifery and associated practices became illegal as doctors became licensed by the state.

IMHO if abortion were well and truly outlawed, you’d see a trade in illegal abortifacients to dwarf other illegal drug markets. It’s not as if a mother in Pennsylvania isn’t facing jail time for getting her 16 YO daughter mifestiprone.

yes, midwifery was a large part of the change, as I recall. Midwives are still fighting for legal status right now in some states.

55 De Kolta Chair  Sep 28, 2014 5:44:36pm

Police Unleash Tear Gas in Hong Kong Protests

HONG KONG — In a significant escalation of their efforts to suppress protests calling for democracy, the authorities in Hong Kong unleashed tear gas and mobilized riot police with long-barreled guns Sunday to disperse crowds that have besieged the city government for three days. But thousands of residents wielding only umbrellas and face masks defied police orders to clear the area.

“Laaaadys.”

56 dholmes32  Sep 28, 2014 5:45:08pm

Correction-Jennifer Whalen is in prison now.

slate.com

57 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 28, 2014 5:46:45pm

re: #53 Charles Johnson

Absolutely! That would make an excellent page.

OK, I’ll be awake long before dawn here on the east coast, so I’ll start then.
Anyone who has suggestions/leads, leave them in this thread. I’ll check back.

58 WhatEVs  Sep 28, 2014 5:46:59pm

re: #34 Backwoods_Sleuth

OK, there’s an opening in the discussion now.
But I’m in the middle of work right now and can’t research.
When exactly did abortion technically become illegal in this country?

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Someone likely answered this, but here goes. I don’t tecann exactly when (early 1900s or thereabouts, and that happened because midwives were performing them and doctors didn’t like losing the business.

(I researched this for a debate in college…I took the Pro side in a debate at the Christian university I went to [and wound up leaving just shy of a degree because the level of their Christianness got way too uncomfortable for me] and got an A. I was quite proud of that. My small way of giving a too small FU.)

59 b.d.  Sep 28, 2014 5:48:24pm
60 WhatEVs  Sep 28, 2014 5:49:13pm

re: #35 ausador

lol, taking his own logic one step further…

Seems reasonable to me… ///

How does he say, with a straight face, that last tweet to you, when that is PRECISELY what he is arguing.

Whiplash. Seriously.

61 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 28, 2014 5:49:35pm

ok, I’m back to the newspaper work. See everyone again in an hour or so…

62 Belafon  Sep 28, 2014 5:50:36pm

re: #58 WhatEVs

and wound up leaving just shy of a degree because the level of their Christianness got way too uncomfortable for me

My son is going to a methodist college in Iowa to study biochemistry. The entire sum of the religious requirements was that he had to attend the ceremony on the first day he was there. He hasn’t had to do anything else in the year-and-a-half since.

63 De Kolta Chair  Sep 28, 2014 5:51:55pm

Scientists confess to sneaking Bob Dylan lyrics into their work for the past 17 years

While writing an article about intestinal gasses 17 years ago, Karolinska Institute researchers John Lundberg and Eddie Weitzberg couldn’t resist a punny title: “Nitric Oxide and inflammation: The answer is blowing in the wind”.

Thus began their descent down the slippery slope of Bob Dylan call-outs. While the two men never put lyrics into their peer-reviewed studies, The Local Sweden reports, they started a personal tradition of getting as many Dylan quotes as possible into everything else they wrote — articles about other peoples’ work, editorials, book introductions, and so on. […]

64 teleskiguy  Sep 28, 2014 5:58:57pm

Pops hit the wrong reply button, but he did respond to Mr. Williamson. He’s responding to the top tweet.

So far from Mr. Williamson? Crickets.

65 Charles Johnson  Sep 28, 2014 6:00:29pm
66 WhatEVs  Sep 28, 2014 6:00:59pm

re: #62 Belafon

My son is going to a methodist college in Iowa to study biochemistry. The entire sum of the religious requirements was that he had to attend the ceremony on the first day he was there. He hasn’t had to do anything else in the year-and-a-half since.

I would up at DePaul. Not a single issue there. The U I went to before that spent time on bible studies, shit like “How does God communicate with us?” ** and trying to convert me from (non-practicing Judaism).

** This was un the core curriculum “Theories of Communication …which was my last class. I was WAY fed up by then. I almost blurted out “Burning bush?” but didn’t.

67 teleskiguy  Sep 28, 2014 6:01:18pm

Why don’t they make rotating front seats anymore?!?

68 Pie-onist Overlord  Sep 28, 2014 6:05:36pm

The #1 Thing Women Are Looking For In A Husband
Because it’s so reliable, y’know

69 Stanley Sea  Sep 28, 2014 6:06:05pm

re: #64 teleskiguy

(your Dad looks like a younger Nixon, like a lot)

70 teleskiguy  Sep 28, 2014 6:09:07pm

re: #69 Stanley Sea

(your Dad looks like a younger Nixon, like a lot)

Hahaha! That’s not him! It’s from Madame Tussauds’ Wax Museum.

71 Stanley Sea  Sep 28, 2014 6:09:43pm

re: #70 teleskiguy

Hahaha! That’s not him! It’s from Madame Tussauds’ Wax Museum.

oh, relieved.

72 Decatur Deb  Sep 28, 2014 6:10:04pm

re: #68 Pie-onist Overlord

The #1 Thing Women Are Looking For In A Husband
Because it’s so reliable, y’know

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N=925.

73 Stanley Sea  Sep 28, 2014 6:10:22pm

and ha.

74 b.d.  Sep 28, 2014 6:10:59pm
75 Stanley Sea  Sep 28, 2014 6:12:42pm

I have a Mexican style hot chili-lime-cumin whole chicken roasting in the oven. It smells so good.

76 teleskiguy  Sep 28, 2014 6:13:10pm

HERP DERP

77 b.d.  Sep 28, 2014 6:13:41pm

re: #76 teleskiguy

HERP DERP

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Oh man, Hillary will be pissed.

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78 Pie-onist Overlord  Sep 28, 2014 6:14:03pm

re: #72 Decatur Deb

N=925.

925=sterling silver

Meh, 14 kt gold!

79 sagehen  Sep 28, 2014 6:14:19pm

Soliciting advice:

My neighbor finds my smoking objectionable. We’ve had the vents shut (she says that’s not where the smell is strongest anymore), I have weather-stripping tight around my door, we both had our apartments painted with sealant after spackling all the visible cracks, I have two air purifiers going in my place, she’s got one in hers… we’re both baffled how she can still smell my smoking. The building is a 1960’s high-rise.

Ideas?

80 Decatur Deb  Sep 28, 2014 6:15:11pm

re: #79 sagehen

Soliciting advice:

My neighbor finds my smoking objectionable. We’ve had the vents shut (she says that’s not where the smell is strongest anymore), I have weather-stripping tight around my door, we both had our apartments painted with sealant after spackling all the visible cracks, I have two air purifiers going in my place, she’s got one in hers… we’re both baffled how she can still smell my smoking. The building is a 1960’s high-rise.

Ideas?

Stop smoking.

81 Pie-onist Overlord  Sep 28, 2014 6:15:44pm

re: #79 sagehen

Soliciting advice:

My neighbor finds my smoking objectionable. We’ve had the vents shut (she says that’s not where the smell is strongest anymore), I have weather-stripping tight around my door, we both had our apartments painted with sealant after spackling all the visible cracks, I have two air purifiers going in my place, she’s got one in hers… we’re both baffled how she can still smell my smoking. The building is a 1960’s high-rise.

Ideas?

I dunno. When you get any, let Zedushka know.

82 Pie-onist Overlord  Sep 28, 2014 6:16:09pm

re: #80 Decatur Deb

Stop smoking.

Great idea!

83 Pie-onist Overlord  Sep 28, 2014 6:17:26pm

I have thought about divorce & court order, but that would be just mean. He’d end up sleeping in dumpsters, unless one of my sons would take him in.

84 b.d.  Sep 28, 2014 6:18:51pm

re: #79 sagehen

Can’t help, at this point a lot of it has to be in her mind and she has your smoke smell dialed in either consciously or subconsciously.

Can you constantly roast a chili-lime cumin chicken, that will mask the smell?

85 Stanley Sea  Sep 28, 2014 6:19:16pm

Twitter Dude @shoq has been going off on Roger Ailes. He’s behind this shit, yeah?

86 Stanley Sea  Sep 28, 2014 6:20:30pm

re: #84 b.d.

Can’t help, at this point a lot of it has to be in her mind and she has your smoke smell dialed in either consciously or subconsciously.

Can you constantly roast a chili-lime cumin chicken, that will mask the smell?

Seriously. Or get a pressure cooker, cause the wonderful smells released from that thing changes the structure of my paint.

87 Pie-onist Overlord  Sep 28, 2014 6:21:23pm
88 Decatur Deb  Sep 28, 2014 6:22:06pm

re: #85 Stanley Sea

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Twitter Dude @shoq has been going off on Roger Ailes. He’s behind this shit, yeah?

Clintons will do our Dem judo, and have the headline printed on a onsie.

89 Charles Johnson  Sep 28, 2014 6:22:49pm
90 teleskiguy  Sep 28, 2014 6:22:56pm

re: #85 Stanley Sea

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Twitter Dude @shoq has been going off on Roger Ailes. He’s behind this shit, yeah?

The New York Post is a Murdoch property. Roger Ailes just runs Fox News.

91 WhatEVs  Sep 28, 2014 6:25:11pm

re: #79 sagehen

Soliciting advice:

My neighbor finds my smoking objectionable. We’ve had the vents shut (she says that’s not where the smell is strongest anymore), I have weather-stripping tight around my door, we both had our apartments painted with sealant after spackling all the visible cracks, I have two air purifiers going in my place, she’s got one in hers… we’re both baffled how she can still smell my smoking. The building is a 1960’s high-rise.

Ideas?

Closing vents isn’t sufficient, you have to tape them over. Do that and check with the neighbor again.

Then sop smoking in the house for two weeks and ask again.

Sometimes, people who don’t like smoking still smell it even when it doesn’t exist.

Good luck.

92 Decatur Deb  Sep 28, 2014 6:25:30pm

re: #89 Charles Johnson

It’s been a block/mute kind of day over here at LGF headquarters.

Conditioning drills for 2016.

93 Charles Johnson  Sep 28, 2014 6:26:14pm
94 WhatEVs  Sep 28, 2014 6:26:35pm

re: #85 Stanley Sea

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Twitter Dude @shoq has been going off on Roger Ailes. He’s behind this shit, yeah?

That’s a disgusting front page. It’s outright offensive.

95 Decatur Deb  Sep 28, 2014 6:31:31pm

To make up for the “stop smoking” snark, there’s this: if the building has any shared electrical system, there could be infiltration through the boxes and conduits.

96 Romantic Heretic  Sep 28, 2014 6:37:57pm

re: #21 sagehen

And here I was thinking that the greastest threat to stability was the millions of heavily-armed right-wing whackos.

That’s revolution. Anarchy is what leftists do.

97 Romantic Heretic  Sep 28, 2014 6:42:20pm

re: #35 ausador

lol, taking his own logic one step further…

Seems reasonable to me… ///

I think my mind just threw a gear trying to comprehend Williamson’s ‘potential people’ tweet.

98 Romantic Heretic  Sep 28, 2014 6:43:37pm

re: #37 Charles Johnson

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Yes, there are still standards.

If it makes money it is good. If it doesn’t it is bad.

Apparently Ms. Logan makes money for CBS.

99 Kragar  Sep 28, 2014 6:43:39pm
100 Charles Johnson  Sep 28, 2014 6:44:00pm
101 Charles Johnson  Sep 28, 2014 6:44:30pm
102 WhatEVs  Sep 28, 2014 6:44:41pm

re: #76 teleskiguy

HERP DERP

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103 WhatEVs  Sep 28, 2014 6:47:28pm

Charles, FYI, ever since I upgraded to iOS8, copy/paste does not work well at LGF. FYI.

104 Decatur Deb  Sep 28, 2014 6:50:13pm

re: #102 WhatEVs

@JTppMan cool. That’ll save me the time it takes to go out and vote for him. Again.

If Biden hangs in there too, I won’t have to change my bumper sticker.

105 teleskiguy  Sep 28, 2014 6:51:04pm
106 Charles Johnson  Sep 28, 2014 6:52:42pm

re: #103 WhatEVs

Charles, FYI, ever since I upgraded to iOS8, copy/paste does not work well at LGF. FYI.

It’s not just at LGF. iOS 8 has problems with copy/paste.

107 makeitstop  Sep 28, 2014 6:53:46pm

re: #105 teleskiguy

Ways to get electrocuted, as warned by the 1930s

I think Mythbusters busted that one.

108 WhatEVs  Sep 28, 2014 6:54:50pm

re: #106 Charles Johnson

It’s not just at LGF. iOS 8 has problems with copy/paste.

Thanks. I’ve been googling all the issues I’ve been having. Very frustrating.

109 WhatEVs  Sep 28, 2014 6:55:18pm

re: #107 makeitstop

I think Mythbusters busted that one.

I saw that one. Poor Buster. :-)

110 Charles Johnson  Sep 28, 2014 6:56:27pm
111 Charles Johnson  Sep 28, 2014 6:57:58pm

Right wingers are very weird.

112 Decatur Deb  Sep 28, 2014 6:58:16pm

re: #110 Charles Johnson

Be nice. She apologized like a mensch.

113 Charles Johnson  Sep 28, 2014 6:59:15pm

re: #112 Decatur Deb

Be nice. She apologized like a mensch.

I guess I missed the apology part.

114 Decatur Deb  Sep 28, 2014 6:59:49pm

re: #113 Charles Johnson

That’s how that Mensch apologizes.

115 Charles Johnson  Sep 28, 2014 7:00:40pm

She admitted she was wrong. OK. But she publicly accused me of lying, and I’m not OK with that.

116 wheat-dogghazi  Sep 28, 2014 7:02:28pm

re: #115 Charles Johnson

She admitted she was wrong. OK. But she publicly accused me of lying, and I’m not OK with that.

She’ll just say she’s sorry you feel that way. Don ‘t get your hopes up.

117 Charles Johnson  Sep 28, 2014 7:03:11pm
118 Pie-onist Overlord  Sep 28, 2014 7:06:14pm

re: #105 teleskiguy

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They had blow dryers in the 1930’s? NO FREAKING WAY. Why didn’t they have blow dryers in the 1960’s? Too many people got electrocuted?

119 teleskiguy  Sep 28, 2014 7:08:23pm
120 Charles Johnson  Sep 28, 2014 7:09:17pm
121 Eventual Carrion  Sep 28, 2014 7:11:45pm

re: #119 teleskiguy

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You’re not supposed to get the gremlins wet!

122 WhatEVs  Sep 28, 2014 7:13:36pm

We’ve been watching science shows all night. I’ve officially said “wow” more times in one night than ever before.

123 Pie-onist Overlord  Sep 28, 2014 7:17:18pm

I wish I had known about the blow dryers. Why did I sleep with my hair rolled up in orange juice cans and put my hair on the freaking IRONING BOARD if blow dryers were already invented?

124 Pie-onist Overlord  Sep 28, 2014 7:18:05pm

Or maybe those “1930’s” illustrations are bogus? Ya think?

125 steve_davis  Sep 28, 2014 7:18:49pm

re: #12 De Kolta Chair

Well, you know who else is grey. Just saying.

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Cats. At night.

126 Charles Johnson  Sep 28, 2014 7:20:00pm
127 wheat-dogghazi  Sep 28, 2014 7:21:01pm

re: #126 Charles Johnson

Facts have a liberal bias.

128 teleskiguy  Sep 28, 2014 7:21:39pm

re: #124 Pie-onist Overlord

Or maybe those “1930’s” illustrations are bogus? Ya think?

Yup.

129 Charles Johnson  Sep 28, 2014 7:22:56pm
130 teleskiguy  Sep 28, 2014 7:27:24pm

Whatever Charles. Coming up with cogent arguments that refute conservative dogma that actually changes people’s minds?!? Fuck that noise.

/∞

131 Pie-onist Overlord  Sep 28, 2014 7:30:13pm

re: #128 teleskiguy

Yup.

Because logic:

Let’s assume that blow dryers were invented and for sale to consumers in the 1930’s, but removed from the consumer market because “electrocution” but your grandmother might still have one. Or even if your grandmother paid attention to “consumer alerts” and got rid of hers, they would still be for sale in, ahem, minority businesses.

My grandmother did not have a blow dryer, and none of the minority businesses that my African-American friends recommended to straighten my [N-word] hair, had anything resembling a blow dryer.

Therefore, blow dryers did not exist in the 1930’s and not in the 1960’s.

QED.

132 Decatur Deb  Sep 28, 2014 7:30:31pm

re: #130 teleskiguy

Whatever Charles. Coming up with cogent arguments that refute conservative dogma that actually changes people’s minds?!? Fuck that noise.

/∞

We’re dealing with a lot of people who never got Good Skinner for upright behavior. We need to shower them with banana pellets when they stumble into a humane deed.

133 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 28, 2014 7:32:14pm

Yes, this just happened here, but one of the cats claims it was the big goofy hound on the sofa who did it, the other cat says it wasn’t her so it’s not her concern, and the little dog says screw this nonsense, it’s time to go to sleep.
So we’re off to sleep now (I hope).

niterz all!

134 teleskiguy  Sep 28, 2014 7:32:40pm

re: #131 Pie-onist Overlord

Because logic:

Let’s assume that blow dryers were invented and for sale to consumers in the 1930’s, but removed from the consumer market because “electrocution” but your grandmother might still have one. Or even if your grandmother paid attention to “consumer alerts” and got rid of hers, they would still be for sale in, ahem, minority businesses.

My grandmother did not have a blow dryer, and none of the minority businesses that my African-American friends recommended to straighten my [N-word] hair, had anything resembling a blow dryer.

Therefore, blow dryers did not exist in the 1930’s and not in the 1960’s.

QED.

I was wondering what you were talking about with “hair-dryers.” Yes, I posted the tweet without checking the link out, I thought the picture was funny!

I checked the link, and yeah, my bullshit meter became quite active.

135 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Sep 28, 2014 7:33:01pm

re: #118 Pie-onist Overlord

They had blow dryers in the 1930’s? NO FREAKING WAY. Why didn’t they have blow dryers in the 1960’s? Too many people got electrocuted?

en.wikipedia.org :

It was Armenian American inventor Gabriel Kazanjian who patented the first blow dryer in America in 1911.
It was not until around 1915 that the hair dryer began to go on the market in handheld form. This was due to innovations by National Stamping and Electricworks under the white cross brand (advertised here in 1915), and later U.S. Racine Universal Motor Company and the Hamilton Beach Co. that allowed the dryer to be handheld.

Dryer made by AEG, about 1920-1925

136 Pie-onist Overlord  Sep 28, 2014 7:34:13pm

re: #135 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi

Dryer made by AEG, about 1920-1925

en.wikipedia.org

WHY DIDN’T THEY SELL THEM IN STORES!!! BEAUTY PARLOR & ORANGE JUICE CAN CONSPIRACY!!!!!!!!

137 wheat-dogghazi  Sep 28, 2014 7:34:30pm

re: #124 Pie-onist Overlord

Or maybe those “1930’s” illustrations are bogus? Ya think?

en.wikipedia.org

Blow dryer, circa 1920

138 Pie-onist Overlord  Sep 28, 2014 7:35:04pm

THOSE HOOD DRYER CONSPIRACIES

139 Decatur Deb  Sep 28, 2014 7:35:23pm

Those only look like hair dryers. They’re actually asbestos-distribution devices.

140 wheat-dogghazi  Sep 28, 2014 7:35:24pm

re: #135 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi

You beat me by a few seconds.

141 teleskiguy  Sep 28, 2014 7:35:53pm

re: #135 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi

re: #137 wheat-dogghazi

Well whaddya know! Must’ve been an unimaginable and expensive luxury in those days.

142 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Sep 28, 2014 7:36:34pm

re: #140 wheat-dogghazi

You beat me by a few seconds.

Internet is faster in Massachusetts.

143 wheat-dogghazi  Sep 28, 2014 7:37:17pm

re: #142 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi

Internet is faster in Massachusetts.

Maybe, or I just need another cup of coffee.

144 ObserverArt  Sep 28, 2014 7:39:21pm

re: #130 teleskiguy

Whatever Charles. Coming up with cogent arguments that refute conservative dogma that actually change people’s minds?!? Fuck that noise.

/∞

How can their minds ever be changed? They have to invest so heavily in their thinking, to change would be to admit they have really screwed up views and values.

And they won’t admit anything, so they will never let go of their thinking. All they can do is dig in deeper and create bigger reasons to need to change and/or cast out ‘others’.

Signed, Sealed, Willing to Deliver. Ain’t no going back. /

145 Kragar  Sep 28, 2014 7:41:05pm

My mom got us a microwave pasta cooker and I’ve got to say, that thing is the shit. Uses only 2-3 cups of water and you don’t have to wait for water to boil first. Its sweet

146 wheat-dogghazi  Sep 28, 2014 7:42:11pm

re: #141 teleskiguy

Well whaddya know! Must’ve been an unimaginable and expensive luxury in those days.

That’s an interesting question. I would imagine the price of a blow dryer came down once the casings became plastic in the 1960s (?), and as styling your hair at home became more common. Certainly the 1980s are evidence that blow drying was epidemic by that time.

True fact: Some low-budget hotels in China put a single blow dryer in the hallway for several lodgers to share. Others provide one on request. Upscale joints have them permanently mounted in the bathrooms.

147 Rightwingconspirator  Sep 28, 2014 7:43:56pm

Dramatic clouds and wind up on the mountain yesterday…..

Paged

148 Decatur Deb  Sep 28, 2014 7:45:59pm

re: #144 ObserverArt

How can their minds ever be changed? They have to invest so heavily in their thinking, to change would be to admit they have really screwed up views and values.

And they won’t admit anything, so they will never let go of their thinking. All they can do is dig in deeper and create bigger reasons to need to change and/or cast out ‘others’.

Signed, Sealed, Willing to Deliver. Ain’t no going back. /

There’s a small minority that far gone. More of the RW can be brought back, and we better work on it or we’ll start killing each other at accelerating rates.

149 Charles Johnson  Sep 28, 2014 7:49:14pm
150 b.d.  Sep 28, 2014 7:50:41pm
151 stpaulbear  Sep 28, 2014 7:55:59pm

re: #139 Decatur Deb

Those only look like hair dryers. They’re actually asbestos-distribution devices.

I remember we had a hair dryer that looked a lot like that one in our house in the early 60, Solid metal, only ours was painted kind of an off-white and was a little smaller. I used to like to play with it.

You’re probably right that it was an asbestos delivery system. No one knew how awful asbestos was yet. I’ve got a catalog of architectural products (anybody remember getting the encyclopedic-sized Sweet’s Catalogs?) from 1917 (a one-volume Sweet’s). One of the pictures in the catalog is for the wonder-product asbestos, and the picture shows a nice fluffy pile of the stuff that looks like a pyramid of cotton candy. I always wonder how young everyone involved with that photo shoot was when they got sick and died.

152 ausador  Sep 28, 2014 7:56:04pm

re: #34 Backwoods_Sleuth

OK, there’s an opening in the discussion now.
But I’m in the middle of work right now and can’t research.
When exactly did abortion technically become illegal in this country?

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Was pretty much banned across the country by about 1880, some back ground here… ourbodiesourselves.org

There is also interesting info out there on the changing attitudes of some Christian organizations towards abortion over time. huffingtonpost.com

Back in the late 60s many “liberal” clergy supported the campaign for abortion rights. They also helped women in most of the country were it was still illegal to get access to it… fofweb.com

153 ObserverArt  Sep 28, 2014 7:56:11pm

re: #148 Decatur Deb

There’s a small minority that far gone. More of the RW can be brought back, and we better work on it or we’ll start killing each other at accelerating rates.

I’ll grant there might be some differing levels of changeability. But even then there will be some thinking that just will hold on. And, there is new media to keep the fires stoked.

I’ll just use someone like Rush or Glenn as examples. Both have been spouting crazy crap that hasn’t come true for years and years, but to some it is way more true than the truth. They will always believe it because they want to. That takes investment.

154 wheat-dogghazi  Sep 28, 2014 7:57:46pm

re: #150 b.d.

The mainland government has created a foreign trade zone in Shanghai with the purpose of challenging HK’s prominence in foreign commerce and finance. Other Chinese cities, like Shenzhen just across the “border” and Guangzhou just one or two hours away, are also giving HK competition.

In other words, the mainland government is trying to weaken HK economically as well as politically.

155 wheat-dogghazi  Sep 28, 2014 8:02:00pm

re: #151 stpaulbear

I remember we had a hair dryer that looked a lot like that one in our house in the early 60, only ours was painted kind of an off-white and was a little smaller. I used to like to play with it.

You’re probably right that it was an asbestos delivery system. No one knew how awful asbestos was yet. I’ve got a catalog of architectural products (anybody remember getting the encyclopedic-sized Sweet’s Catalogs?) from 1917 (a one-volume Sweet’s). One of the pictures in the catalog is for the wonder-product asbestos, and the picture shows a nice fluffy pile of the stuff that looks like a pyramid of cotton candy. I always wonder how young everyone involved with that photo shoot was before they got sick and died.

Long-term exposure to asbestos can lead to death. I’m not sure exposure during a photo shoot would be as lethal. Mercury exposure works the same way. I can play with a drop of mercury in my hand (which I did back in grade school) without much risk. Doing it every day over decades would not be very smart, however.

156 Snarknado!  Sep 28, 2014 8:03:03pm

re: #79 sagehen

Soliciting advice:

My neighbor finds my smoking objectionable. We’ve had the vents shut (she says that’s not where the smell is strongest anymore), I have weather-stripping tight around my door, we both had our apartments painted with sealant after spackling all the visible cracks, I have two air purifiers going in my place, she’s got one in hers… we’re both baffled how she can still smell my smoking. The building is a 1960’s high-rise.

Ideas?

After CL quit smoking, she mentioned that she could smell smoke in her home even months later (tobacco smoke smell penetrates and lasts a long time). Does she have curtains or rugs? Probably a good idea to clean them and see if that takes care of the problem. If she has lots of books, they should also be allowed to air out — there might still be some residual smoke odor. Washing the walls with something like vinegar or baking soda water would be plan b. After that, I’d move toward thinking it’s psychosomatic.

157 goddamnedfrank  Sep 28, 2014 8:04:02pm

re: #120 Charles Johnson

158 Decatur Deb  Sep 28, 2014 8:04:10pm

re: #151 stpaulbear

I remember we had a hair dryer that looked a lot like that one in our house in the early 60, only ours was painted kind of an off-white.

You’re probably right that it was an asbestos delivery system. No one knew how awful asbestos was yet. I’ve got a catalog of architectural products (anybody remember getting the encyclopedic-sized Sweet’s Catalogs?) from 1917 (a one-volume Sweet’s). One of the pictures in the catalog is for the wonder-product asbestos, and the picture shows a nice fluffy pile of the stuff that looks like a pyramid of cotton candy. I always wonder how young everyone involved with that photo shoot was before they got sick and died.

My old installation, Picatinny Arsenal, was pretty much made out of asbestos—even walls and roofs—because they were fire-resistant and would blow out into relatively less lethal fragments in case of an explosion. We got good at managing it, although almost every coffee pot on post sat on a ‘transite’ sheet someone had sawed.

Very early in the CPSCs history, it went after the handheld hair dryers that commonly blew the fibers into the users’ faces.

159 stpaulbear  Sep 28, 2014 8:08:02pm

re: #155 wheat-dogghazi

I can remember when we had to start taking construction asbestos abatement VERY seriously, and some of the contractors were fighting it as too costly and unneccessary. I heard one of our architects telling the story of a contractor who wouldn’t accept that asbestos was dangerous and to prove his point he took a bite out of a chunk of asbestos pipe insulation. Jeez.

160 calochortus  Sep 28, 2014 8:18:03pm

re: #159 stpaulbear

I can remember when we had to start taking construction asbestos abatement VERY seriously, and some of the contractors were fighting it as too costly and unneccessary. I heard one of our architects telling the story of a contractor who wouldn’t accept that asbestos was dangerous and to prove his point he took a bite out of a chunk of asbestos pipe insulation. Jeez.

Not all asbestos is created equal. Chrysotile asbestos is probably less of a danger than amphibolite asbestos. Neither is particularly good for you, though.
I’ve tried spinning asbestos thread (outdoors, with a mask on) and I could never get a thread longer than a few inches before it broke.

161 Stanley Sea  Sep 28, 2014 8:22:06pm

re: #159 stpaulbear

I can remember when we had to start taking construction asbestos abatement VERY seriously, and some of the contractors were fighting it as too costly and unneccessary. I heard one of our architects telling the story of a contractor who wouldn’t accept that asbestos was dangerous and to prove his point he took a bite out of a chunk of asbestos pipe insulation. Jeez.

Some of the old salts in flooring that I know, replaced the flooring in all those 40-50’s houses that had Vinyl Asbestos Tile. They just yanked that shit up. :(

162 teleskiguy  Sep 28, 2014 8:22:51pm

Guns guns GUNS! MURKA!

163 Decatur Deb  Sep 28, 2014 8:25:18pm

re: #161 Stanley Sea

Some of the old salts in flooring that I know, replaced the flooring in all those 40-50’s houses that had Vinyl Asbestos Tile. They just yanked that shit up. :(

The tile was safe, as long as they did nothing to get raw fibers airborne (no sawing, no burning). The plastic does a good job of encapsulating the fibers. Legal dispo$al is another matter.

164 austin_blue  Sep 28, 2014 8:33:00pm

I usually find Tom Friedman to be a windbag, but this is well researched and germane:

nytimes.com

One thing he mentioned is that the killing of the 241 Marines in Beirut (two of whom I grew up with and are buried almost next to each other near my mom and dad in Arlington) was on October 23, 1983. What he doesn’t mention is that on October 25, 1983, we invaded Grenada in Operation Urgent Fury.

We didn’t put the Grenada attack together in 48 hours, but Reagan’s eyes were certainly not on Beirut. He also doesn’t mention that the US Embassy in Beirut was hit the same day with an additional 17 dead.

165 austin_blue  Sep 28, 2014 8:36:54pm

re: #163 Decatur Deb

The tile was safe, as long as they did nothing to get raw fibers airborne (no sawing, no burning). The plastic does a good job of encapsulating the fibers. Legal dispo$al is another matter.

In Texas, I can, as a homeowner, replace my transite shingles and throw them in the trash(!!).

If I am a Contractor, hired to replace them for a homeowner, I have to encapsulate them for disposal. Strange old world.

166 Rightwingconspirator  Sep 28, 2014 8:38:31pm

re: #162 teleskiguy

Why is something so dangerous not a felony?

167 calochortus  Sep 28, 2014 8:40:16pm

re: #165 austin_blue

In Texas, I can, as a homeowner, replace my transite shingles and throw them in the trash(!!).

If I am a Contractor, hired to replace them for a homeowner, I have to encapsulate them for disposal. Strange old world.

In NY state some years ago when we cleaned out my father-in-law’s house we found some highly toxic chemicals (long story where they came from.) Had we been a business of any sort we would have been required to pay nearly $3000 to dispose of them properly. As homeowners, they could have been legally poured out in the back yard. We did the right thing, but failing to hold homeowners to any sort of standard is not unique to any one state.

168 austin_blue  Sep 28, 2014 8:41:16pm

re: #160 calochortus

Not all asbestos is created equal. Chrysotile asbestos is probably less of a danger than amphibolite asbestos. Neither is particularly good for you, though.
I’ve tried spinning asbestos thread (outdoors, with a mask on) and I could never get a thread longer than a few inches before it broke.

Asbestos embedded in resin sheets (transite) is also safe. And as DD mentioned, a fine simmer plate. Friable asbestos, or brake pad dust, has no safe level for inhalation. That shit is dead lethal.

(See what I did there?)

169 teleskiguy  Sep 28, 2014 8:43:21pm

re: #166 Rightwingconspirator

Why is something so dangerous not a felony?

Good question. I’m leaning towards patriarchy and male supremacy.

170 Decatur Deb  Sep 28, 2014 8:44:05pm

re: #165 austin_blue

In Texas, I can, as a homeowner, replace my transite shingles and throw them in the trash(!!).

If I am a Contractor, hired to replace them for a homeowner, I have to encapsulate them for disposal. Strange old world.

Our buildings were sometimes so old that the cement had leached out of the corrugated transite sheets, leaving them with a ‘furry’ friable surface. As an Army facility, we had to satisfy Fed and New Jersey rules. We managed, but it was expensive.

171 calochortus  Sep 28, 2014 8:44:49pm

re: #169 teleskiguy

Good question. I’m leaning towards patriarchy and male supremacy.

Perhaps, in the sense that real men don’t get poisoned by these things.

172 calochortus  Sep 28, 2014 8:46:20pm

re: #170 Decatur Deb

Our buildings were sometimes so old that the cement had leached out of the corrugated transite sheets, leaving them with a ‘furry’ friable surface. As an Army facility, we had to satisfy Fed and New Jersey rules. We manged, but it was expensive.

Sounds like fun.

173 austin_blue  Sep 28, 2014 8:52:59pm

re: #170 Decatur Deb

Our buildings were sometimes so old that the cement had leached out of the corrugated transite sheets, leaving them with a ‘furry’ friable surface. As an Army facility, we had to satisfy Fed and New Jersey rules. We managed, but it was expensive.

re: #172 calochortus

Sounds like fun.

No. That’s no fun at all. Being in Level A or B suits in the summer is awful. You’ve got maybe thirty minutes of useful time until you start to actively die from heat stroke. Then you’ve got to go through decon. It truly sucks.

174 Decatur Deb  Sep 28, 2014 8:53:05pm

re: #172 calochortus

The place made cannonballs for G. Washington, and munitions for every conflict since, including Fat Man components. Every generation left a mess because “There’s a war on”.

175 teleskiguy  Sep 28, 2014 8:53:57pm

Just to get some language discrepancies out of the way, I prefer “MURKA” to “MERICA.”

176 calochortus  Sep 28, 2014 8:54:14pm

re: #174 Decatur Deb

The place made cannonballs for G. Washington, and munitions for every conflict since, including Fat Man components. Every generation left a mess because “There’s a war on”.

And then, “Hey, why bother? No one is using the place.”

177 Decatur Deb  Sep 28, 2014 8:55:42pm

re: #176 calochortus

And then, “Hey, why bother? No one is using the place.”

Ahh, but they never stop. There’s always another one on the drawing table.

178 De Kolta Chair  Sep 28, 2014 8:56:49pm

179 calochortus  Sep 28, 2014 8:57:51pm

re: #177 Decatur Deb

Ahh, but they never stop. There’s always another one on the drawing table.

True.

Time to pack it in for tonight.
For those of you following along from last night when I felt really crappy, I’m happy to report that I’m feeling much, much better tonight.

Hasta mañana, Lizards.

180 nsmith25  Sep 28, 2014 8:58:18pm

The issues of Ferguson aren’t going away, no matter how much some people want them to. Seems tensions are high again tonight.

181 austin_blue  Sep 28, 2014 9:01:12pm

re: #177 Decatur Deb

Ahh, but they never stop. There’s always another one on the drawing table.

And it’s not just Federal facilities. An old chemical plant was being redeveloped in Austin a few years back and they were running new utility trenches across it. A trackhoe operator hauled up an old vessel containing picric acid, then knocked it away from the spoils pile with his bucket. It detonated spectacularly, disarticulating the trackhoe operator into various pieces/parts over a wide area.

182 Decatur Deb  Sep 28, 2014 9:01:42pm

re: #179 calochortus

True.

Time to pack it in for tonight.
For those of you following along from last night when I felt really crappy, I’m happy to report that I’m feeling much, much better tonight.

Hasta mañana, Lizards.

Good news, and a good idea. ‘Nite, all.

183 gwangung  Sep 28, 2014 9:10:20pm

re: #180 nsmith25

The issues of Ferguson aren’t going away, no matter how much some people want them to. Seems tensions are high again tonight.

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Why are they being so heavy handed?

Smart play is to let it die out….or are they too stupid and impatient to play the long game?

184 Rightwingconspirator  Sep 28, 2014 9:11:29pm

One more shot from todays excursion. Kinda emblematic of starting a new week, Work ahead, progress to make.

185 nsmith25  Sep 28, 2014 9:13:12pm

re: #183 gwangung

Why are they being so heavy handed?

Smart play is to let it die out….or are they too stupid and impatient to play the long game?

Well, this tweet shows and indication of they type of authorities we have in place there:

Have seen this from multiple people there on the ground. Police trying to negotiate First Amendment.

186 austin_blue  Sep 28, 2014 9:14:13pm

re: #183 gwangung

Why are they being so heavy handed?

Smart play is to let it die out….or are they too stupid and impatient to play the long game?

Randy Newman, Rednecks

We’re rednecks, rednecks
And we don’t know our ass from a hole in the ground
We’re rednecks, we’re rednecks
And we’re keeping the n*****s down

187 austin_blue  Sep 28, 2014 9:15:41pm

re: #184 Rightwingconspirator

One more shot from todays excursion. Kinda emblematic of starting a new week, Work ahead, progress to make.

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Cement ties? Is that in the UK?

(Beautiful pic, by the way.)

188 WhatEVs  Sep 28, 2014 9:19:37pm

re: #183 gwangung

Why are they being so heavy handed?

Smart play is to let it die out….or are they too stupid and impatient to play the long game?

I’m going with stupid. From the first minute on. I don’t think they’re managed to do one smart thing during this whole situation.

189 ausador  Sep 28, 2014 9:23:50pm

Not a police uniform in sight, can’t be Ferguson…

190 ausador  Sep 28, 2014 9:33:38pm
191 wheat-dogghazi  Sep 28, 2014 9:42:03pm

re: #190 ausador

But I’ll bet Chucky was all down with cops busting up Occupy Wall Street demos with batons and pepper spray.

192 Higgs Boson's Mate  Sep 28, 2014 9:53:13pm

re: #188 WhatEVs

I’m going with stupid. From the first minute on. I don’t think they’re managed to do one smart thing during this whole situation.

The Ferguson P.D. also gives me the impression that this kind of reaction to their policing has not happened before. I believe that Brown’s death was not the first time that a Ferguson officer used deadly force under questionable circumstances, it’s just the first time that numbers of the public at large were aware of the Ferguson P.D.s approach to law enforcement. Those cops give me the impression that they never expected to be called on their practices.

And yes, stupid ( First rule of holes: If stuck in a hole, Stop Digging.), and yes, fear-driven racists.

The LAPDs Rampart Division was monitored by the DOJ for compliance with reforms for a period of five years. The Ferguson P.D. and its neighboring departments deserve no less.

193 Romantic Heretic  Sep 28, 2014 9:55:36pm

re: #181 austin_blue

And it’s not just Federal facilities. An old chemical plant was being redeveloped in Austin a few years back and they were running new utility trenches across it. A trackhoe operator hauled up an old vessel containing picric acid, then knocked it away from the spoils pile with his bucket. It detonated spectacularly, disarticulating the trackhoe operator into various pieces/parts over a wide area.

Had to look up picric acid. Really scary shit.

194 Higgs Boson's Mate  Sep 28, 2014 9:57:54pm

re: #190 ausador

Obama speaks out about #ferguson where anti-cop riots broke out but refuses to say anything about Chinese tyranny.

That would work out well. If Chuckles is so worked up about Chinese tyranny then he should throw a fuck into them by getting rid of everything he owns that was made in China. That doing so would neatly remove him from the public sphere never crossed my mind.

195 Romantic Heretic  Sep 28, 2014 9:59:35pm

re: #192 Higgs Boson’s Mate

First rule when a person is planning on doing something unethical is, “Always assume you’re going to get caught.”

Then they’ll, hopefully, think of something not unethical, or at least prepare for the consequences.

Somehow though, most people seem incapable of that.

196 Higgs Boson's Mate  Sep 28, 2014 10:02:08pm

re: #194 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Nice miscopying of a quote. It may be time for bed.

197 klys  Sep 28, 2014 10:05:21pm
198 klys  Sep 28, 2014 10:12:23pm
199 teleskiguy  Sep 28, 2014 10:14:21pm

re: #164 austin_blue

I usually find Tom Friedman to be a windbag, but this is well researched and germane:

nytimes.com

One thing he mentioned is that the killing of the 241 Marines in Beirut (two of whom I grew up with and are buried almost next to each other near my mom and dad in Arlington) was on October 23, 1983. What he doesn’t mention is that on October 25, 1983, we invaded Grenada in Operation Urgent Fury.

We didn’t put the Grenada attack together in 48 hours, but Reagan’s eyes were certainly not on Beirut. He also doesn’t mention that the US Embassy in Beirut was hit the same day with an additional 17 dead.

Thanks for the link. I loathe Tom Friedman, but the broken clock adage applies.

200 gwangung  Sep 28, 2014 10:22:02pm

re: #194 Higgs Boson’s Mate

That would work out well. If Chuckles is so worked up about Chinese tyranny then he should throw a fuck into them by getting rid of everything he owns that was made in China. That doing so would neatly remove him from the public sphere never crossed my mind.

Bright boy doesn’t think it through. What would he think the PRC would say?

201 Gus  Sep 28, 2014 10:22:18pm

Blurbits. //

202 Floral Giraffe  Sep 28, 2014 10:25:07pm

re: #198 klys

Looks like a parrot fish!

203 klys  Sep 28, 2014 10:27:54pm

re: #202 Floral Giraffe

Looks like a parrot fish!

It does! But it’s a sunfish and the photo does nothing to provide the sense of scale.

That fish is probably a good 5 feet long.

204 Floral Giraffe  Sep 28, 2014 10:33:18pm

re: #203 klys

I’m possible going on a sailing adventure & seeing a sunfish is on my bucket list!

205 ausador  Sep 28, 2014 10:45:22pm

So if you read these two books you will then know everything?

Sum of all Knowledge?

206 wheat-dogghazi  Sep 28, 2014 10:50:00pm

re: #205 ausador

Better not let them touch each other, or there’ll be a total mass-to-energy conversion.

207 teleskiguy  Sep 28, 2014 10:51:54pm

wheatdogg, great reporting from China! I have to ask, how do you do it, what with the insane internet restrictions in China?

208 wheat-dogghazi  Sep 28, 2014 11:01:00pm

re: #207 teleskiguy

wheatdogg, great reporting from China! I have to ask, how do you do it, what with the insane internet restrictions in China?

Thanks! I have to use a VPN to access the blocked sites. The one I use, Ultrasurf, is free and is a project of the Falungong movement with help from the US government.

I used to use the Tor/Onion network, but China’s net nannies have managed to neutralize it somehow. Ultrasurf works pretty well, but even so has to be updated periodically to evade China’s blocking it.

209 klys  Sep 28, 2014 11:09:41pm

re: #204 Floral Giraffe

I’m possible going on a sailing adventure & seeing a sunfish is on my bucket list!

I cheated. Monterey Bay Aquariam has one on permanent exhibit. :D

210 freetoken  Sep 28, 2014 11:36:52pm

So I wonder, why did Williamson pick hanging.

The US moved to electrocutions and lethal injections, away from hanging.

The only reason for hanging is for public display.

There is something more barbaric going on here than simply a death penalty for abortion.

Williamson is playing some deep fantasies here, perhaps.

Consider this:

Second Iraq Hanging Also Went Awry

Wars have effects far beyond the immediate.

The fixation on public execution is an expression of conflict, a step beyond that of justice.

211 teleskiguy  Sep 28, 2014 11:39:49pm
212 ausador  Sep 29, 2014 12:01:42am

Article that goes with it is from April but still telling. The more wrong about the location a person was the more likely they were to want the U.S. to intervene.

I guess ignorance of Geography is a fair indicator of ignorance about Geo-politics too.

213 goddamnedfrank  Sep 29, 2014 12:04:42am

re: #210 freetoken

So I wonder, why did Williamson pick hanging.

The US moved to electrocutions and lethal injections, away from hanging.

The only reason for hanging is for public display.

There is something more barbaric going on here than simply a death penalty for abortion.

Williamson is playing some deep fantasies here, perhaps.

Consider this:

Second Iraq Hanging Also Went Awry

Wars have effects far beyond the immediate.

The fixation on public execution is an expression of conflict, a step beyond that of justice.

I’m guessing he picked hanging because that’s what the nurse from Kenya was sentenced to.

Nairobi - A Kenyan nurse was sentenced to death by hanging on Thursday after being found guilty of carrying out an abortion on a young woman that led to her death.

Of course Williamson expanded on that barbaric sentence and said it should apply to all women who’ve had abortions. Also missed was the fact that it was Kenyan law that led to the woman’s death in the first place, because it bans abortions in all but life threatening circumstances, which ironically created a life threatening circumstance. The fact that making abortion illegal causes unsafe abortions is totally lost on the pro life zealots, who think banning a medical procedure that has a real demand will magically prevent people from seeking it out anyways.

214 ausador  Sep 29, 2014 12:59:42am

re: #213 goddamnedfrank

The fact that making abortion illegal causes unsafe abortions is totally lost on the pro life zealots, who think banning a medical procedure that has a real demand will magically prevent people from seeking it out anyways.

Not sure about that part, many of the ones I have talked to openly acknowledge that back alley abortions will come back. They are perfectly fine with that even though it puts women at risk. Basically the attitude is “that is what she gets for not using birth control, sleeping around, having sex outside of marriage, or whatever.”

Some people have even told me they don’t really care what the women do, as long as they are not asked to condone it or pay for it. These folks are mortally offended that it is legal because they feel that it amounts to society (and themselves by extension) pardoning child killers.

A huge percentage of them are also convinced regardless of all available evidence that their taxes are being used to pay for the abortions of poor women. They say that this makes them feel complicit in the act of murdering a child against their will.

You can explain about the1980 Harris v. McRae ruling and the Hyde amendment until you are blue in the face and not change their minds about government funding. “What about medicaid?” is one of their favorite boogeymen because they are sure they have you now.

There are currently 15 states that allow Medicaid to pay for abortions in some or all circumstances. But that is the states choice and done with state funds, not the Federal governments, you’d thinks these states rights supporters would understand that part at least.

Anyway, it is my experience that many DO know that making abortion illegal will not stop it. They. Don’t. Care. They just want society to go back to pretending it doesn’t exist and to keep the imagined “blood”* off their own hands.

*Thereby exchanging it for the real blood of women that they will be partially responsible for killing. :(

215 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Sep 29, 2014 1:04:53am

re: #214 ausador

Some people have even told me they don’t really care what the women do, as long as they are not asked to condone it or pay for it.
:(

I have to begrudgingly accept that side of the argument: if abortion is a private matter left up to the woman, then nobody else should be asked to be involved, either pro or con.

216 ausador  Sep 29, 2014 1:17:11am

re: #215 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

I have to begrudgingly accept that side of the argument: if abortion is a private matter left up to the woman, then nobody else should be asked to be involved, either pro or con.

That is all well and good until they explain that it being legal at all somehow means that they personally are being forced to condone it.

Unless they live in one of the fifteen states where by state government choice state funds are spent on medicaid funded abortions they aren’t paying for it either.

217 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Sep 29, 2014 1:22:35am

re: #216 ausador

That is all well and good until they explain that it being legal at all somehow means that they personally are being forced to condone it.

Unless they live in one of the fifteen states where by state government choice state funds are spent on medicaid funded abortions they aren’t paying for it either.

They are waltzing around the argument that they want laws that reflect (their interpretation of their choice of) Holy Scripture.

And often that interpretation also involves denying people access to contraceptives or even education about their own bodies and sexuality.

That interpretation also involves a view that all sex outside marriage is sinful and even sex within marriage cannot be without its consequences.

218 ausador  Sep 29, 2014 1:24:43am

Chuckle worthy…

gfycat.com

219 ausador  Sep 29, 2014 1:41:17am

re: #217 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

They are waltzing around the argument that they want laws that reflect (their interpretation of their choice of) Holy Scripture.

With the glaring exception of the Catholic church practically no one believed that life began at conception even 40 years ago. The “scriptures” sure don’t say that unless you willfully misinterpret some and ignore others completely.

This pretty much all began with the early “Religious Right” movement when they needed issues to attempt to unite their base. Jerry Falwell is probably the single largest offender in this sudden reinterpretation of biblical knowledge. He adopted the Catholic stance wholesale in order to gain their support politically and socially.

Suddenly Falwell was out proclaiming that “life begins at conception” from the rooftops and his flock of sheeple and other movement leaders followed his lead. I even have some quotes here somewhere from a couple of other big name clerics who tried it earlier, but just couldn’t get many people to care. It took Falwell to start the ball rolling… :(

220 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Sep 29, 2014 1:46:27am

re: #219 ausador

And even the Catholic Church abandoned a literal interpretation of the Scriptures, but that has become the fashion among the Religious Right these days, even if it means rejecting science and even logic.

221 Frenchy  Sep 29, 2014 3:08:08am

Ah well, since this was just an honest mistake on Kristinn’s part, I’m sure he has since deleted his post and/or issued a correction. No? It’s still there? Well, this is my shocked face.

How is Kristinn’s lawsuit going regarding the whole resort spa 5-star hotel for illeagles!!1! post that Charles eviscerated a few weeks back? I seem to recall that he threatened legal action over being called out on those blatant lies (which did real harm to real people).

I wonder if he’ll threaten legal action again, for being called out yet aGAIN on yet MORE lies? This is “libelous” you know. Might wanna keep your attorney on speed dial. ///

222 wheat-dogghazi  Sep 29, 2014 3:24:19am

re: #221 Frenchy

Ah well, since this was just an honest mistake on Kristinn’s part, I’m sure he has since deleted his post and/or issued a correction. No? It’s still there? Well, this is my shocked face.

How is Kristinn’s lawsuit going regarding the whole resort spa 5-star hotel for illeagles!!1! post that Charles eviscerated a few weeks back? I seem to recall that he threatened legal action over being called out on those blatant lies (which did real harm to real people).

I wonder if he’ll threaten legal action again, for being called out yet aGAIN on yet MORE lies? This is “libelous” you know. Might wanna keep your attorney on speed dial. ///

For Taylor, Hoft and Chuckles the Clown, the means justify the end. If they have to lie to get the desired results, they will.

223 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Sep 29, 2014 3:27:48am

re: #222 wheat-dogghazi

For Taylor, Hoft and Chuckles the Clown, the means justify the end. If they have to lie to get the desired results, they will.

You see, said Torquemada, there are higher truths at stake here…

224 wheat-dogghazi  Sep 29, 2014 3:44:09am

I added to this my Hong Kong page, but here is a live video stream of the protests to save you a couple of clicks.

Youtube Video

225 ausador  Sep 29, 2014 3:54:25am

re: #221 Frenchy

Ah well, since this was just an honest mistake on Kristinn’s part, I’m sure he has since deleted his post and/or issued a correction. No? It’s still there? Well, this is my shocked face.

Someone systematically deleted all of my and Eric’s comments over at the Gateway Pundit article late last night. Proof that they are aware of the issue but chose not to correct it.
I also tweeted Kristinn (Hoft has me muted) about it as a reply to his tweet linking to/announcing the article. Never got a reply although my tweets are still there… :(

Did anyone else notice that the copy of the video they are using there sounds like it was recorded from the bottom of a toilet bowl? I suspect they purposefully muddied up the audio, or at least found one that already had horrible audio to help sell this lie.

227 wheat-dogghazi  Sep 29, 2014 4:11:56am

re: #226 ausador

They’re selectively blocking webpages on the BBC news site, too.

228 Romantic Heretic  Sep 29, 2014 4:33:25am

re: #205 ausador

So if you read these two books you will then know everything?

Sum of all Knowledge?

The best book I ever read on running a business made it clear under no circumstances ever do you hire a Harvard Business School graduate.

229 Romantic Heretic  Sep 29, 2014 4:37:17am

re: #212 ausador

Article that goes with it is from April but still telling. The more wrong about the location a person was the more likely they were to want the U.S. to intervene.

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I guess ignorance of Geography is a fair indicator of ignorance about Geo-politics too.

Well, you have to remember, for many Americans geography isn’t important because only America matters, or exists. To many Ukraine might as well be next to Lothlorien.

It’s one of the reasons 9/11 was such a shock. “OMG! There are places other than America, and they can hurt us!” <shrieking panic>

230 wheat-dogghazi  Sep 29, 2014 4:45:41am

re: #228 Romantic Heretic

The best book I ever read on running a business made it clear under no circumstances ever do you hire a Harvard Business School graduate.

A classic work, which I want to read even though I am not in business. It’s on my Kindle list.

Harvard Biz School grads are heavy on theory, but light on practical experience. Yet somehow they begin at middle management positions and rise quickly to upper management posts to wreak havoc on businesses as they learn the ropes of running a company.

231 wheat-dogghazi  Sep 29, 2014 4:51:48am

re: #226 ausador

Instagram blocked in mainland China as political unrest continues in Hong Kong

news.yahoo.com is being blocked where I live, though direct URLs are not. For bbc.com, the converse is true. It’s always a crapshoot here.

232 William Barnett-Lewis  Sep 29, 2014 4:52:10am

re: #184 Rightwingconspirator

One more shot from todays excursion. Kinda emblematic of starting a new week, Work ahead, progress to make.

[Embedded image]

Nicely done image of it’s type, but be very very careful around rail road tracks - I’d not care to read of yet another photographer hit and killed by a train.

233 ausador  Sep 29, 2014 5:13:39am

So Pew has a new and somewhat scary set of polling data on religion out, looks like the expected religious backlash is showing up for real.

More people are saying that religious influence is waning, but many more people also say that that is a negative thing.

More Christians of all stripes are advocating increased activism by the church in the political field including directly endorsing candidates.

Public Sees Religion’s Influence Waning
Growing Appetite For Religion In Politics

Lots of other fun tidbits to be found in the data, like that white American evangelical Christians think they are discriminated against more than Blacks, Hispanics, Muslims, Atheists or Jews are. Sigh…

(pdf also has exact wording/order of the questions asked)

234 Eventual Carrion  Sep 29, 2014 5:36:05am

re: #229 Romantic Heretic

Well, you have to remember, for many Americans geography isn’t important because only America matters, or exists. To many Ukraine might as well be next to Lothlorien.

It’s one of the reasons 9/11 was such a shock. “OMG! There are places other than America, and they can hurt us!” <shrieking panic>

Though it is kinda scary that there seems to be a few dots within the USA. If those people that made that guess are also screaming for us to nuke them, then they seem to be just fine with nuking US citizens.

235 wheat-dogghazi  Sep 29, 2014 5:43:46am

re: #234 Eventual Carrion

Though it is kinda scary that there seems to be a few dots within the USA. If those people that made that guess are also screaming for us to nuke them, then they seem to be just fine with nuking US citizens.

There’s a scary number of Americans who probably would have trouble placing Boston, Philadelphia or Omaha on a map of the States. They might be able to correctly locate NY, DC, LA or Chicago, but even that’s not a sure thing.

236 Lidane  Sep 29, 2014 5:55:02am

War criminal says what?

Allen West Tells Military To Disobey Commander In Chief

Morning folks. While you were sleeping, Barack Hussein Obama took out his pen and ordered our Military to enlist illegal aliens. In other words, this charlatan has allowed those who have disrespected our Constitution and are not citizens to take an oath to support and defend the very document, our rule of law, of which they are in violation. Obama has no constitutional authority to make any laws or rules concerning naturalization as stated in Art I Sect 8 Clause 4. This is an illegal order and should not be followed by our Military. As well, we are pink-slipping men and women in uniform, Americans, and Obama wants to enlist illegals. We are already outsourcing our national security to Syrian Islamists. This is intolerable and just another reason why we must flip the Senate and begin to reverse Obama’s tyranny. Any Democrat supporting this illegal order needs to be voted out!

237 Pie-onist Overlord  Sep 29, 2014 5:55:08am

re: #235 wheat-dogghazi

There’s a scary number of Americans who probably would have trouble placing Boston, Philadelphia or Omaha on a map of the States. They might be able to correctly locate NY, DC, LA or Chicago, but even that’s not a sure thing.

How many Americans could correctly identify all the states if they were given a blank map of the United States?

Here’s an attempt by an Australian:

238 Feline Fearless Leader  Sep 29, 2014 5:56:05am

re: #228 Romantic Heretic

The best book I ever read on running a business made it clear under no circumstances ever do you hire a Harvard Business School graduate.

That is, unless you can pay him what he is worth and he earns for you what he thinks he is worth.
///

239 Bulworth  Sep 29, 2014 5:58:48am

Next on Faux News: Was Obama wrong to call himself ‘great’? We report you decide.

240 Feline Fearless Leader  Sep 29, 2014 6:00:10am

re: #237 Pie-onist Overlord

How many Americans could correctly identify all the states if they were given a blank map of the United States?

Here’s an attempt by an Australian:
[Embedded image]

IIRC, Senator Franken can do a decent job of drawing the states from a blank sheet of paper.

241 lawhawk  Sep 29, 2014 6:03:58am

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. Had a bit of excitement last night, as there was a major police action right near my home, and while I took a couple of pictures (which are mostly showing just a bunch of police cars blocking streets), the police aren’t really saying what happened or why they had streets blocked off and had called in the county police and reports that the bomb squad had been called, which we learned from the relative of one my neighbors. They had cops and the fire department staging at a church parking lot a few blocks away, and more fire and police were staging at the nearby fire department.

Police are still tight lipped about what happened. They say that an arrest was made, but aren’t giving out much more details publicly about the evacuation of the nearby buildings.

The bomb squad didn’t show, and the police tape was quietly taken down about 1.5 hours after all this started.

242 FemNaziBitch  Sep 29, 2014 6:06:40am

a wee bit cooler in my part of the world.

dogs had me up early, I’m not long in joining the in their morning nap.

you?

243 Lidane  Sep 29, 2014 6:07:35am
244 FemNaziBitch  Sep 29, 2014 6:08:13am

re: #236 Lidane

War criminal says what?

Allen West Tells Military To Disobey Commander In Chief

from the man who was court martialed?

245 Timothy Watson  Sep 29, 2014 6:08:25am

re: #243 Lidane

That’s one way to do it:

Kansas Fills its Budget Shortfall with Sex Toy Auction

Heh.

I figured Kansas was one of those states where those devices were still illegal.

246 urbanmeemaw  Sep 29, 2014 6:08:38am

re: #86 Stanley Sea

Seriously. Or get a pressure cooker, cause the wonderful smells released from that thing changes the structure of my paint.

I live in a high rise and smoke (about 4 a day). I always go outside. Really cold weather curtails the habit!

247 Schadenboner  Sep 29, 2014 6:08:58am

re: #228 Romantic Heretic

The best book I ever read on running a business made it clear under no circumstances ever do you hire a Harvard Business School graduate.

I learned a similar lesson, although I got it from the Michael Lewis Business tetralogy, and the real lesson was “don’t imagine anyone in business has any better idea about what the fuck”.

248 Frenchy  Sep 29, 2014 6:10:48am

re: #234 Eventual Carrion

If you think that Ukraine is in the United States then how do you get your shoes and socks on to leave the house? Who are these people?

249 HappyWarrior  Sep 29, 2014 6:11:01am

I know it’s Hoft’s agenda to flat out lie about anything POTUS says or does but I either his readers are either the most willfully ignorant people ever who hear what they want to hear or they really are that stupid because it’s so obvious POTUS was talking about being gray.

250 urbanmeemaw  Sep 29, 2014 6:12:10am

re: #100 Charles Johnson

[Embedded content]

Rethug so called “abnormal” is their new “normal” and has been for quite awhile.

251 Frenchy  Sep 29, 2014 6:12:53am

re: #236 Lidane

We are already outsourcing our national security to Syrian Islamists.

Lol wut?

252 Lidane  Sep 29, 2014 6:13:22am

re: #245 Timothy Watson

I figured Kansas was one of those states where those devices were still illegal.

So did I, but apparently Brownback had to find a way to fill the budget hole his tax cuts left.

253 Lidane  Sep 29, 2014 6:13:46am

re: #244 FemNaziBitch

from the man who was court martialed?

You betcha!

254 FemNaziBitch  Sep 29, 2014 6:13:54am

re: #248 Frenchy

If you think that Ukraine is in the United States then how do you get your shoes and socks on to leave the house? Who are these people?

Hey, a coworker told me once that they celebrate xmas in the ME because that’s where Jesus was born… .

When I told her it was basically illegal to be xtian in most of the ME, she just stared at me..

This wasn’t long after the Iraq war started.

I guess she never watched the news

She was middle aged.

255 FemNaziBitch  Sep 29, 2014 6:15:25am

yup, I’m nodding off

bbl

256 Feline Fearless Leader  Sep 29, 2014 6:15:48am

re: #242 FemNaziBitch

a wee bit cooler in my part of the world.

dogs had me up early, I’m not long in joining the in their morning nap.

you?

Overcast and moderate temps here in Philly after a couple of cloudless and sunny days. (See photo of church posted yesterday in a comment.)

Unhappy folk about due to football results. Eagles lost.

257 Feline Fearless Leader  Sep 29, 2014 6:17:05am

re: #248 Frenchy

If you think that Ukraine is in the United States then how do you get your shoes and socks on to leave the house? Who are these people?

They think you can rent Ukraine from U-Haul for lifting heavy objects during your move.
/

258 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Sep 29, 2014 6:18:08am

re: #254 FemNaziBitch

Hey, a coworker told me once that they celebrate xmas in the ME because that’s where Jesus was born… .

When I told her it was basically illegal to be xtian in most of the ME, she just stared at me..

This wasn’t long after the Iraq war started.

I guess she never watched the news

She was middle aged.

Most people didn’t have a f*cking clue about Islam until 9/11, and since then, the only concepts they seem to have come to associate with Islam are “jihad” and “sharia”.

259 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Sep 29, 2014 6:19:11am

re: #244 FemNaziBitch

from the man who was court martialed?

Fined $5000 in a non-judicial proceeding and resigned. Never faced court martial.

260 Lidane  Sep 29, 2014 6:20:17am

re: #258 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Most people didn’t have a f*cking clue about Islam until 9/11, and since then, the only concepts they seem to have come to associate with Islam are “jihad” and “sharia”.

Related:

O’Reilly: Henry Kissinger Likes My Mercenary Army Idea

O’Reilly, who was on ABC’s This Week Sunday to promote his latest book Killing Patton, said he recently spoke with Kissinger about it.

“He told me that my idea of a world-wide anti-terror force, paid for by coalition nations, under the supervision of [the U.S.] Congress … simpatico,” O’Reilly said.

“It’s a worldwide war against Jihad,” O’Reilly continued. “It’s not gonna stop. So, let’s win the war.”

261 ausador  Sep 29, 2014 6:20:33am
262 Feline Fearless Leader  Sep 29, 2014 6:21:01am

re: #251 Frenchy

Lol wut?

Yep. Our alternatives are to assume that these people are delusional, or horribly hypocritical and unethical about the damage they cause for perceived political* gain.

* - substitute financial, etc. based on degree of grift you believe is behind their statements.

263 Feline Fearless Leader  Sep 29, 2014 6:23:08am

re: #260 Lidane

Related:

O’Reilly: Henry Kissinger Likes My Mercenary Army Idea

Didn’t Colbert come dancing out of Kissinger’s closet at least once? That’s gotta make you wonder how seriously to take anything Henry says at this point.
/

264 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Sep 29, 2014 6:23:12am

re: #261 ausador

Not sure if good idea…

Why do my kids start crying when I say I’m going out to pick up fish and chips?

Somewhere I read a comment that if a fish actually got into Sydney’s water treatment facility it would be Grinding Nemo.

265 Decatur Deb  Sep 29, 2014 6:23:38am

‘Morning, all. Wonkette has given Charles some love for the exchange with the Hang ‘em High derpster:

wonkette.com

266 Frenchy  Sep 29, 2014 6:23:42am

re: #260 Lidane

Would O’Reilly just STFU about that already. I don’t ever even watch that windbag and I am already sick to death of hearing about it.

267 HappyWarrior  Sep 29, 2014 6:26:24am

There’s a reason why Bill O has never run for let alone won any office.

268 Justanotherhuman  Sep 29, 2014 6:28:43am

Waiting for the RW to start carping about Pres Obama on 60 Minutes saying ISIL’s “strength” was underestimated by the admin’s intelligence services. As if the RW actually knew. Most people never even heard about ISIL until quite recently.

You know it will happen.

usatoday.com

269 urbanmeemaw  Sep 29, 2014 6:30:16am

re: #228 Romantic Heretic

The best book I ever read on running a business made it clear under no circumstances ever do you hire a Harvard Business School graduate.

I agree. Outside of being a brilliant business book, it’s funnier than hell.

270 HappyWarrior  Sep 29, 2014 6:31:24am

re: #268 Justanotherhuman

Waiting for the RW to start carping about Pres Obama on 60 Minutes saying ISIL’s “strength” was underestimated by the admin’s intelligence services. As if the RW actually knew. Most people never even heard about ISIL until quite recently.

You know it will happen.

usatoday.com

The Bush administration certainly underestimated Al Queda’s strength too but I know, I know, I’m “blaming” Bush by pointing out the obvious.

271 Justanotherhuman  Sep 29, 2014 6:32:20am

American Academy of Pediatrics recommends the IUD as best form of birth control for teenage girls other than abstinence - @TIME
read more on time.com

272 Justanotherhuman  Sep 29, 2014 6:33:04am

re: #270 HappyWarrior

The Bush administration certainly underestimated Al Queda’s strength too but I know, I know, I’m “blaming” Bush by pointing out the obvious.

I just keep thinking about the premature “Mission Accomplished” theatrics…

273 HappyWarrior  Sep 29, 2014 6:33:48am

re: #272 Justanotherhuman

I just keep thinking about the premature “Mission Accomplilshed” theatrics…

That definitely works too. They definitely underestimated Iraq too.

274 Feline Fearless Leader  Sep 29, 2014 6:34:32am

re: #273 HappyWarrior

That definitely works too. They definitely underestimated Iraq too.

Today’s understatement of the day.

275 HappyWarrior  Sep 29, 2014 6:35:32am

re: #274 Feline Fearless Leader

Today’s understatement of the day.

Ha definitely.

276 Decatur Deb  Sep 29, 2014 6:36:41am

re: #271 Justanotherhuman

American Academy of Pediatrics recommends the IUD as best form of birth control for teenage girls other than abstinence - @TIME
read more on time.com

Funny revelation on policy perspective there. The physiologist might say abstinence is the most effective form. A sociologist would say it’s the least.

277 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Sep 29, 2014 6:37:16am

re: #272 Justanotherhuman

I just keep thinking about the premature “Mission Accomplished” theatrics…

I always had visions of General Santa Ana parading about the smoldering ruins of the Alamo with a “Mission Accomplished” banner hanging from the parpapets…

278 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Sep 29, 2014 6:38:08am

re: #276 Decatur Deb

Funny revelation on policy perspective there. The physiologist might say abstinence is the most effective form. A sociologist would say it’s the least.

short of guaranteeing 100% segregation of the sexes, it is impossible to guarantee 100% abstinence

279 Ryan King  Sep 29, 2014 6:40:30am

Abstinence. The Woman’s Responsibility.

Then when nature takes it’s course, blame the women.

That’s always worked well.

280 Decatur Deb  Sep 29, 2014 6:41:05am

re: #278 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

short of guaranteeing 100% segregation of the sexes, it is impossible to guarantee 100% abstinence

There’s a rough joke about an Italian nobleman, his encloistered bride-to-be and some sailors.

281 ausador  Sep 29, 2014 6:41:35am

re: #266 Frenchy

Would O’Reilly just STFU about that already. I don’t ever even watch that windbag and I am already sick to death of hearing about it.

Here is something new from him then…

Bill O’Reilly insults US military: It can’t defeat ISIS because there are ‘no Pattons today’

282 Justanotherhuman  Sep 29, 2014 6:41:57am

re: #279 Ryan King

Abstinence. The Woman’s Responsibility.

Then when nature takes it’s course, blame the women.

That’s always worked well.

I’ll start blaming women when men can get pregnant.

283 Pie-onist Overlord  Sep 29, 2014 6:43:30am

re: #271 Justanotherhuman

American Academy of Pediatrics recommends the IUD as best form of birth control for teenage girls other than abstinence - @TIME
read more on time.com

Abstinence doesn’t work unless you absolutely abstain. From. Having. Sex.

Those who learn “Abstinence Only” seem to think it means abstaining from using all forms of birth control.

284 Justanotherhuman  Sep 29, 2014 6:45:15am

re: #283 Pie-onist Overlord

Abstinence doesn’t work unless you absolutely abstain. From. Having. Sex.

Those who learn “Abstinence Only” seem to think it means abstaining from using all forms of birth control.

Along with “but oral and anal sex aren’t really sex.”

It all goes back to the “missionary position” attitude and the idea that sex is only for procreation, not recreation—ever.

285 HappyWarrior  Sep 29, 2014 6:45:18am

re: #281 ausador

Here is something new from him then…

Bill O’Reilly insults US military: It can’t defeat ISIS because there are ‘no Pattons today’

Aside from being an insulting statement, O’Reilly has no clue how Patton would have dealt with a group like ISIS. Patton’s career was spent dealing with foreign Armies not terrorist groups. And frankly a lot of Patton’s contemporaries who were better generals than him don’t get the same appreciation because they weren’t egotistical like Patton was.

286 ausador  Sep 29, 2014 6:46:11am

re: #271 Justanotherhuman

American Academy of Pediatrics recommends the IUD as best form of birth control for teenage girls other than abstinence - @TIME
read more on time.com

Actually IUDs came in second…implants got first choice with the girls moving to IUDs when a bit older.

Progestin Implants — Implanon and Nexplanon are both single-rod implants.

Intrauterine devices or IUDs.

Progestin-only injectable contraception — known as Depo-Provera, it’s given every 13 to 15 weeks.

Combined oral contraceptive pills — “The Pill” is the fourth choice, because young women do not always use it reliably.

Condoms rank lower. While 96 percent of teens who have had sex have used condoms, and while they can protect against sexually transmitted infections, teens often neglect to use them.
nbcnews.com

287 Pie-onist Overlord  Sep 29, 2014 6:46:32am

TEH STUPIDS. I just can’t even.
Of course it’s debunked.

288 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Sep 29, 2014 6:47:41am

re: #281 ausador

Here is something new from him then…

Bill O’Reilly insults US military: It can’t defeat ISIS because there are ‘no Pattons today’

Because ISIS cannot be defeated without saturation bombing followed by an armored breakthrough…

289 Decatur Deb  Sep 29, 2014 6:48:30am

re: #283 Pie-onist Overlord

Abstinence doesn’t work unless you absolutely abstain. From. Having. Sex.

Those who learn “Abstinence Only” seem to think it means abstaining from using all forms of birth control.

That’s the #276 ‘perspective’ issue. Abstinence works for the organism, it doesn’t work for the population.

290 Feline Fearless Leader  Sep 29, 2014 6:49:17am

re: #284 Justanotherhuman

Along with “but oral and anal sex aren’t really sex.”

It all goes back to the “missionary position” attitude and the idea that sex is only for procreation, not recreation—ever.

And also ignore a couple hundred thousand years of evolution that they believe never took place.

291 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Sep 29, 2014 6:51:42am

re: #290 Feline Fearless Leader

And also ignore a couple hundred thousand years of evolution that they believe never took place.

and a few thousand years of social change that they also fail to recognize: women are no longer chattel

292 Feline Fearless Leader  Sep 29, 2014 6:53:00am

re: #291 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

and a few thousand years of social change that they also fail to recognize: women are no longer chattel

They recognize it. They just think they can reverse it back to “the way it should be”.

293 Decatur Deb  Sep 29, 2014 6:53:08am

re: #286 ausador

Actually IUDs came in second…implants got first choice with the girls moving to IUDs when a bit older.

Docs might have been considering life-cycle impact on people at the front end of their contraceptive use. Not up on current chemistries, but the various implants and orals used to require a break. They also could be looking at the availability of affordable medical surveillance.

Thanks, TPGOP governors.

294 HappyWarrior  Sep 29, 2014 6:53:17am

re: #287 Pie-onist Overlord

TEH STUPIDS. I just can’t even.
Of course it’s debunked.

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It took me 5 seconds to find a picture of Obama with an American flag in the background. Young Conservative like nearly every other right wing fucknut on Twitter is a dumbass who believes only what he wants to believe much like the subject of this page who wanted to hear Obama say “great” when it’s obvious he was saying “gray.”

295 NJDhockeyfan  Sep 29, 2014 6:55:34am
296 Frenchy  Sep 29, 2014 6:57:20am

re: #287 Pie-onist Overlord

It was a nice touch adding Bill Clinton in there to give it the air of not being a partisan attack.
//

297 HappyWarrior  Sep 29, 2014 6:58:22am

re: #296 Frenchy

It was a nice touch adding Bill Clinton in there to give it the air of not being a partisan attack.
//

Yep same thing they do with the presidents in uniform stupid one.

298 lawhawk  Sep 29, 2014 7:01:31am

re: #287 Pie-onist Overlord

Heh. A Google search reveals that the photo of Obama is cropped. The flags are right behind him. It’s the East Room IIRC.

Image: 130114_obama_presser_fullview_605_ap.jpg

299 Frenchy  Sep 29, 2014 7:02:42am

re: #281 ausador

Probably because I pay him as little attention as possible, but I didn’t realize that O’Reilly had wandered into the realm of peddling whack job conspiracy theories.

300 NJDhockeyfan  Sep 29, 2014 7:03:32am

Scene from Hong Kong right now…

301 HappyWarrior  Sep 29, 2014 7:03:39am

re: #298 lawhawk

Heh. A Google search reveals that the photo of Obama is cropped. The flags are right behind him. It’s the East Room IIRC.

Image: 130114_obama_presser_fullview_605_ap.jpg

Yep figured as much. Stupid shitheads.

302 Eventual Carrion  Sep 29, 2014 7:04:03am

re: #256 Feline Fearless Leader

Overcast and moderate temps here in Philly after a couple of cloudless and sunny days. (See photo of church posted yesterday in a comment.)

Unhappy folk about due to football results. Eagles lost.

Yeah, Steelers lost too.

303 Lidane  Sep 29, 2014 7:04:09am

re: #292 Feline Fearless Leader

They recognize it. They just think they can reverse it back to “the way it should be”.

It’s no accident that they want to outlaw birth control as well as abortion.

Life was much simpler for conservatives when women were at the mercy of their biology and their husbands.

304 HappyWarrior  Sep 29, 2014 7:04:39am

re: #302 Eventual Carrion

Yeah, Steelers lost too.

That sucked. Really though am fed up with the NFL and what the sport is becoming though.

305 Pie-onist Overlord  Sep 29, 2014 7:06:11am

re: #297 HappyWarrior

Yep same thing they do with the presidents in uniform stupid one.

That, along with HURR HURR TEH CONSERVATIVE WOMENS IS TEH HAWT BUT TEH LIBTURD WIMMENS & PIERS MORGAN ARE TEH FUGLY!!!!!! are the MOAST. STUPID. MEMES. ON. TEH. INTERWEBS.

306 HappyWarrior  Sep 29, 2014 7:07:10am

re: #305 Pie-onist Overlord

That, along with HURR HURR TEH CONSERVATIVE WOMENS IS TEH HAWT BUT TEH LIBTURD WIMMENS & PIERS MORGAN ARE TEH FUGLY!!!!!! are the MOAST. STUPID. MEMES. ON. TEH. INTERWEBS.

It’s very middle school mindset but then again that’s what we’re dealing with.

307 Feline Fearless Leader  Sep 29, 2014 7:07:44am

re: #304 HappyWarrior

That sucked. Really though am fed up with the NFL and what the sport is becoming though.

The rot in American football goes deep, and also goes beyond the professional level and down into the colleges and even many high schools in my opinion.

308 Justanotherhuman  Sep 29, 2014 7:08:41am

re: #300 NJDhockeyfan

Scene from Hong Kong right now…

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Haven’t read enough about the protests, but it’s having an effect:

US markets follow Europe and Asia into red after Hong Kong unrest; Dow drops 150 points; Nasdaq already down 1% - @CNNMoney
end of alert

309 lawhawk  Sep 29, 2014 7:08:58am

GWB in the East Room - no flags in sight.

Nixon in the East Room for wedding photos for his daughter.

LBJ in the East Room.

It’s a nonsensical meme, considering that the East Room is used frequently precisely for the backdrop it offers.

310 HappyWarrior  Sep 29, 2014 7:09:35am

re: #307 Feline Fearless Leader

The rot in American football goes deep, and also goes beyond the professional level and down into the colleges and even many high schools in my opinion.

Steubenville.

311 Frenchy  Sep 29, 2014 7:10:25am

re: #309 lawhawk

OMG GWB, LBJ, and RMN were secret Muslins too?! HURR DURR!!1!

312 Lidane  Sep 29, 2014 7:10:33am

re: #304 HappyWarrior

That sucked. Really though am fed up with the NFL and what the sport is becoming though.

The Packers beat the Bears, so the boyfriend is happy. Still, I’m not happy with the NFL at all. I find myself sitting there with earbuds in or otherwise finding something to do so I’m not paying attention while the game is on.

This sucks. I used to enjoy watching football. Now I can’t do it without feeling like I should take a shower between quarters.

313 Justanotherhuman  Sep 29, 2014 7:11:01am

re: #309 lawhawk

GWB in the East Room - no flags in sight.

Nixon in the East Room for wedding photos for his daughter.

LBJ in the East Room.

It’s a nonsensical meme, considering that the East Room is used frequently precisely for the backdrop it offers.

Wingnuts will use any meme they can to discredit Pres Obama.

Fuck their sophomoric mentality.

314 lawhawk  Sep 29, 2014 7:12:52am

re: #307 Feline Fearless Leader

Yup. College football didn’t do anyone any favors either. Michigan’s head coach allowed his QB to continue playing not only after a leg injury left him limping, but after what was an uncalled illegal hit left him with a likely concussion. The ESPN announcers were actually calling for the coach to be fired for not protecting his players.

315 Justanotherhuman  Sep 29, 2014 7:12:56am

re: #310 HappyWarrior

Steubenville.

Entire states in some cases.

Texas, for example.

316 Lidane  Sep 29, 2014 7:13:34am

re: #307 Feline Fearless Leader

The rot in American football goes deep, and also goes beyond the professional level and down into the colleges and even many high schools in my opinion.

I’ve hated college football for years. Penn State was the final nail in the coffin for me.

High school football is a religion here in Texas. I know people who still go see their high school alma mater play, which I think is strange. Maybe because I haven’t kept up with my high school since I graduated in 1991.

317 lawhawk  Sep 29, 2014 7:14:35am

Of course Hoft would retweet O’Keefe’s latest nonsensical videos that he’s going to blow the lid off the system (or other such hyperbole).

318 NJDhockeyfan  Sep 29, 2014 7:16:01am

re: #308 Justanotherhuman

Haven’t read enough about the protests, but it’s having an effect:

US markets follow Europe and Asia into red after Hong Kong unrest; Dow drops 150 points; Nasdaq already down 1% - @CNNMoney
end of alert

Let’s hope Beijing doesn’t pull a Tiananmen Square on them and roll in the tanks.

319 Schadenboner  Sep 29, 2014 7:16:09am

re: #288 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Because ISIS cannot be defeated without saturation bombing followed by an armored breakthrough…

Well, anything can be defeated with saturation bombing (for arbitrarily large values of “saturation”)…

(Vonce zee rockets go up, who cares vere zey come down? Zat’s not my department! Says Wernher Von Braun…)

(E: Sorry Lizardim, Tom Lehrer never did a Curtis LeMay song.)

320 wheat-dogghazi  Sep 29, 2014 7:17:03am

re: #287 Pie-onist Overlord

TEH STUPIDS. I just can’t even.
Of course it’s debunked.

Are there such things as “Muslim prayer curtains”? I’ve never heard of them, at least.

321 Justanotherhuman  Sep 29, 2014 7:17:04am

re: #318 NJDhockeyfan

Let’s hope Beijing doesn’t pull a Tiananmen Square on them and roll in the tanks.

322 Pie-onist Overlord  Sep 29, 2014 7:17:22am

HAV MOAR TEH FUCKING STUPIDS:

323 ausador  Sep 29, 2014 7:20:01am
324 Pie-onist Overlord  Sep 29, 2014 7:21:05am

HURR HURR TEH POSTAL MAILS!!!!!!
Of course you have to have a stamp, an address or PO box, and recruiters prefer to contact candidates by phone or email, not wait days for postal mail.

325 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Sep 29, 2014 7:23:14am

re: #324 Pie-onist Overlord

In my youth, a phone, a TV, a car….all were luxuries you save up for rather than let someone else buy them for you.

and a computer was an enormous device that took up an entire room and required a staff of specialists to run and maintain it.

GOOD OLD DAYZ!!!

326 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Sep 29, 2014 7:23:37am

re: #322 Pie-onist Overlord

HAV MOAR TEH FUCKING STUPIDS:

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Why can’t the poors and illegals use pay telephones the way we did when we were young???

327 Justanotherhuman  Sep 29, 2014 7:24:21am

re: #322 Pie-onist Overlord

HAV MOAR TEH FUCKING STUPIDS:

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So, in 1776 I doubt “Minute Man” would have survived. And no, most people couldn’t save up money for those things, not making $1/hr, at least.

People’s memories suck.

328 Eventual Carrion  Sep 29, 2014 7:24:32am

re: #320 wheat-dogghazi

Are there such things as “Muslim prayer curtains”? I’ve never heard of them, at least.

But they go with the “Muslim prayer sofa” perfectly.

329 sagehen  Sep 29, 2014 7:25:26am

re: #240 Feline Fearless Leader

IIRC, Senator Franken can do a decent job of drawing the states from a blank sheet of paper.

In just a couple of minutes:

Youtube Video

330 wheat-dogghazi  Sep 29, 2014 7:26:09am

re: #317 lawhawk

Of course Hoft would retweet O’Keefe’s latest nonsensical videos that he’s going to blow the lid off the system (or other such hyperbole).

Wearing Arab-style headdress and carrying a semi-automatic rifle, O’Keefe successfully orders take-out and retires to a nearby park to eat his lunch.

Dressed as a campesino (including un sombrero muy grande), O’Keefe enrols at a state college in Arkansas despite having no birth certificate with him, is assigned to remedial English classes to improve his pronunciation. College officials later say they assumed he enroled during his lunch break at ChiChi’s.

Wearing makeup to appear African-American, O’Keefe is pulled over by a state trooper. It does not end well for O’Keefe.

331 Justanotherhuman  Sep 29, 2014 7:27:49am

Football and religion…

Family members confirm Rolesville, NC, high school football player has died after collapsing Friday - @ABC11_WTVD
read more on abc11.com

332 Decatur Deb  Sep 29, 2014 7:30:02am

re: #330 wheat-dogghazi

Wearing Arab-style headdress and carrying a semi-automatic rifle, O’Keefe successfully orders take-out and retires to a nearby park to eat his lunch.

Dressed as a campesino (including un sombrero muy grande), O’Keefe enrols at a state college in Arkansas despite having no birth certificate with him, is assigned to remedial English classes to improve his pronunciation. College officials later say they assumed he enroled during his lunch break at ChiChi’s.

Wearing makeup to appear African-American, O’Keefe is pulled over by a state trooper. It does not end well for O’Keefe.

“Jamie” O’Keefe, in drag, attempts to infiltrate Lilith Fair, finds she’s always 4 years behind the tour venues.

333 wheat-dogghazi  Sep 29, 2014 7:33:25am

re: #332 Decatur Deb

“Jamie” O’Keefe, in drag, attempts to infiltrate Lilith Fair, finds she’s always 4 years behind the tour venues.

And then O’Keefe goes to a gay bar, gets a little drunk, and the resulting videos end up on 4chan.
//

334 Romantic Heretic  Sep 29, 2014 7:35:27am

re: #281 ausador

Here is something new from him then…

Bill O’Reilly insults US military: It can’t defeat ISIS because there are ‘no Pattons today’

Fuck you, Bill.

Although in my opinion Patton wasn’t that great. Compared to von Manstein and Guderian he was second string.

335 Decatur Deb  Sep 29, 2014 7:35:41am

re: #333 wheat-dogghazi

And then O’Keefe goes to a gay bar, gets a little drunk, and the resulting videos end up on 4chan.
//

…where they ignite a 4-way flamewar about image violation.

336 Bulworth  Sep 29, 2014 7:35:42am

re:

In my youth, a phone, a TV, a car….all were luxuries you save up for rather than let someone else buy them for you.

A car isn’t a luxury, and who exactly is buying cars for other people?

Wingnuts are getting the week off stupid.

337 Bulworth  Sep 29, 2014 7:37:11am

re:
#330

Dressed as a campesino (including un sombrero muy grande), O’Keefe enrols at a state college in Arkansas despite having no birth certificate with him

Pretty sure you need transcripts and letters of recommendation, too. And money.

338 lawhawk  Sep 29, 2014 7:38:20am
339 NJDhockeyfan  Sep 29, 2014 7:38:27am

Video of Hong Kong protests recorded from a drone…

Youtube Video

340 HappyWarrior  Sep 29, 2014 7:39:44am

re: #338 lawhawk

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AGh.

341 wheat-dogghazi  Sep 29, 2014 7:40:05am

In my youth, I drove the old family car and had a tiny secondhand 13” TV set in my bedroom. “My” phone was the family phone, since the cellphone had not yet been invented.

This situation did not change appreciably much even after I got my first full-time job.

342 Pie-onist Overlord  Sep 29, 2014 7:41:16am

Teh Derp is pouring in:

343 Lidane  Sep 29, 2014 7:41:22am

I wish I could watch this at work. John Oliver is amazing:

John Oliver Demands to Know How Ayn Rand Is ‘Still a Thing’

Last Week Tonight took a long — though not nearly as long as Atlas Shrugged — look at the puzzling half life of objectivist founder and dreadful novelist Ayn Rand Sunday night. “Ayn Rand has always been popular with teenagers,” intoned the narrator, linking Rand to the conspicuous consumption of present-day Kardashianism, “but she’s something you’re supposed to grow out of, like ska music or hand jobs.”

The show was left with no choice to wonder: how is Ayn Rand still a thing? The answer, ye who climb in the ratings, is and always will be because #themarketworks.

344 Justanotherhuman  Sep 29, 2014 7:41:23am

re: #325 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

and a computer was an enormous device that took up an entire room and required a staff of specialists to run and maintain it.

GOOD OLD DAYZ!!!

You didn’t “save up” for a phone, either. I paid $4.50/mo for a private land line in the 1960s, which required a small deposit. In 1968, I bought my first car, a 1968 Ford Falcon ($2400, which scared the hell out of me—the first thing I had ever bought on credit), via the credit union where I worked, the local gas co, and we were just converting to the ginormous computers at the same company which gave me a lot of overtime, as it required a lot of paperwork for conversion of manually billed gas accounts. Even that info had to be keypunched into those cards.

Yeah, the “good old days” when I finally got up to $100/wk in pay in 1969, with 2 kids to support on my own.

345 HappyWarrior  Sep 29, 2014 7:42:04am

re: #342 Pie-onist Overlord

Teh Derp is pouring in:

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Again conservatives show they don’t have a clue, Le typical.

346 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Sep 29, 2014 7:42:29am

re: #334 Romantic Heretic

Fuck you, Bill.

Although in my opinion Patton wasn’t that great. Compared to von Manstein and Guderian he was second string.

Compared to the other allied Generals, he was the best we had.

347 HappyWarrior  Sep 29, 2014 7:43:02am

Ah yes though the “good old days” argument that we always hear from conservatives. The good old days where women knew their places and the negros knew to be silent and where we would put people who were different in asylums. Praise be!

348 Bulworth  Sep 29, 2014 7:44:18am

re:
#342

You mean the job offer you won’t take because “you’ll make more on welfare”?

This is what happens when the Tea Party meme for the hour day isn’t in the inbox yet so the Kochbots recycle from the greatest derp list.

349 Pie-onist Overlord  Sep 29, 2014 7:46:38am
350 Romantic Heretic  Sep 29, 2014 7:46:51am

re: #342 Pie-onist Overlord

MinuteMan1776

@viciousbabushka You mean the job offer you won’t take because “you’ll make more on welfare”?

Where do these people come up with this shit?

At the very least, businesses need people to work for them. If it’s a better deal for people to stay at home then businesses have to pay a better wage. Plus welfare or any sort of public support is parsimonious, to put it lightly.

I repeat, where do people come up with this shit?

351 NJDhockeyfan  Sep 29, 2014 7:47:04am
352 Pie-onist Overlord  Sep 29, 2014 7:47:19am
353 Pie-onist Overlord  Sep 29, 2014 7:48:46am

re: #350 Romantic Heretic

Where do these people come up with this shit?

At the very least, businesses need people to work for them. If it’s a better deal for people to stay at home then businesses are got to have to pay a better wage. Plus welfare or any sort of public support is parsimonious, to put it lightly.

I repeat, where do people come up with this shit?

The WELFARE PAYS MOAR THEN A JRB!!!!! bullshit meme comes from Cato (Koch front org)
cato.org

354 Eventual Carrion  Sep 29, 2014 7:48:56am

re: #350 Romantic Heretic

Where do these people come up with this shit?

At the very least, businesses need people to work for them. If it’s a better deal for people to stay at home then businesses are got to have to pay a better wage. Plus welfare or any sort of public support is parsimonious, to put it lightly.

I repeat, where do people come up with this shit?

Lower intestinal tract.

355 HappyWarrior  Sep 29, 2014 7:49:04am

they believe what they want to believe because they’re convinced that people like being on welfare. Just like they’re convinced that male white christian conservatives are teh most discriminated against people in our society.

356 A Mom Anon  Sep 29, 2014 7:49:56am

re: #334 Romantic Heretic

Bill is selling a book. Killing Patton, about some conspiracy or another that mysterious forces were at work in killing him to shut him up. Bill O’Reilly is apparently a historian now.

Our media sucks.

357 Pie-onist Overlord  Sep 29, 2014 7:49:58am

HURR HURR GET A BETTER JRRB!!!!!!

358 Feline Fearless Leader  Sep 29, 2014 7:51:49am

re: #356 A Mom Anon

Bill is selling a book. Killing Patton, about some conspiracy or another that mysterious forces were at work in killing him to shut him up. Bill O’Reilly is apparently a historian now.

Our media sucks.

Retreading old ground.

en.wikipedia.org

359 Pie-onist Overlord  Sep 29, 2014 7:52:16am

Right on time.

360 Justanotherhuman  Sep 29, 2014 7:52:20am

re: #357 Pie-onist Overlord

HURR HURR GET A BETTER JRRB!!!!!!

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What about companies that are dependent on govt subsidies themselves? Like Big Oil, Big Agriculture, etc? And all retail depends on govt to subsidize their low-assed wages.

361 Romantic Heretic  Sep 29, 2014 7:53:36am

re: #346 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Compared to the other allied Generals, he was the best we had.

Personally I think highly of Bradley and Collins. Eisenhower also did a great job as SHAEF although that was more of manager’s position than general.

362 HappyWarrior  Sep 29, 2014 7:54:29am

re: #359 Pie-onist Overlord

Right on time.

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Why doesn’t he get a job instead of pontificating on the internet like a fucking asshole with no empathy for people who aren’t rich and privileged like himself. Waaaaaah. Fucking conservatives and their get a job crap. Why don’t they fucking realize that paying people a decent wage is not only the right thing to do, you get more productive workers that way but no they have to live in this Neo-Randian mindset that paying and treating workers like shit is good business.

363 Pie-onist Overlord  Sep 29, 2014 7:54:55am

HURR HURR I’M BEIN DISCRIMINATED AGAINST I’M HOMELESS & UNEMPLOYED BUT I CAN’T A JRRB BECAUSE OBAMACARE & TEH ILLEGALS IS STOPPING ME!!!!!!

364 Justanotherhuman  Sep 29, 2014 7:55:00am

re: #356 A Mom Anon

Bill is selling a book. Killing Patton, about some conspiracy or another that mysterious forces were at work in killing him to shut him up. Bill O’Reilly is apparently a historian now.

Our media sucks.

and BO’s fake intellectualism is tiring…

365 Varek Raith  Sep 29, 2014 7:55:02am

General Patton on the fake moon landing set hit by a grassy knoll flying a UFO in Roswell.

366 HappyWarrior  Sep 29, 2014 7:55:18am

re: #361 Romantic Heretic

Personally I think highly of Bradley and Collins. Eisenhower also did a great job as SHAEF although that was more of manager’s position than general.

I think more highly of Marshall too though that could fit into where you have Ike.

367 HappyWarrior  Sep 29, 2014 7:55:59am

re: #365 Varek Raith

General Patton on the fake moon landing set hit by a grassy knoll flying a UFO in Roswell.

with an assist from the Illuminati?

368 lawhawk  Sep 29, 2014 7:56:09am

re: #357 Pie-onist Overlord

Purpose of the job is to better yourself. So, a line cook that feeds hundreds of people a day isn’t good enough to get a living wage? A waitress has to hope that they get enough tips to live, even though many parts of the world treat wait staff as an integral part of the restaurant experience and an actual career (like France, or some higher end restaurants in the US), and that tipping is completely arbitrary and often capricious.

Or how about the staff that does hotel rooms. They’re frequently paid only minimum wage, even though they’re dealing with all kinds of environmental issues, including a higher injury rate than even manufacturing industries, and exposures to chemical cleaners and even biological hazards on a daily basis.

The list goes on.

These people don’t have a clue how much these people actually work, or how hard it is to do those jobs, but somehow they should aspire to other jobs that will somehow pay more even though companies try to cut wages to the bare bones and shift the burdens on to government, like how Walmart has done for years - paying bare minimum wage, treating workers like crap, and forcing many (including military vets who go and work for them) on to SNAP and other welfare programs, let alone health care.

369 Varek Raith  Sep 29, 2014 7:56:49am

re: #367 HappyWarrior

with an assist from the Illuminati?

Please, they are just a fairytale used to distract you from the lizard overlords.

370 Pie-onist Overlord  Sep 29, 2014 7:56:57am
371 Lidane  Sep 29, 2014 7:58:27am

re: #362 HappyWarrior

What kills me is the nonsense that these people constantly spew about “job creators”. It never dawns on them that the real job creators are the consumers. You can come up an amazing idea, and sell it with the slickest VC pitch to get millions in backing, but if nobody buys what you’re selling it’s pointless.

I had to explain this to a bunch of RWNJ cretins the other day. Doesn’t matter how much money someone invests in a business or how many initial hires they make. Without consumers who earn a living wage and who can afford to buy their products, it’s all moot.

372 Romantic Heretic  Sep 29, 2014 7:58:44am

re: #353 Pie-onist Overlord

The WELFARE PAYS MOAR THEN A JRB!!!!! bullshit meme comes from Cato (Koch front org)
cato.org

Oh yes. I was debating that study about a year ago on another site. It severely misrepresents the facts, and uses data two decades old. For example it used a local program that was available for only six months and conflated it into a year long, nationwide program.

Surprisingly enough the person who introduced the report for debate, using it as ‘proof’ that the poor lead a luxurious life and are lazy, backed off when it was demonstrated what bullshit it was.

373 Feline Fearless Leader  Sep 29, 2014 7:58:57am

I note from looking over some 1970s movies that if you needed an actor to play an assassin you hired Max Von Sydow.

374 lawhawk  Sep 29, 2014 7:59:41am

Macy’s and Kohl’s are each planning on hiring more for the holiday season - both for in-store and for online sales distribution channels. Kohl’s is boosting season sales force by 34%, bringing total to 67,000. Macy’s is adding 3% more (3,000 jobs added to the 83,000 hired last season).

375 Higgs Boson's Mate  Sep 29, 2014 8:00:18am

re: #324 Pie-onist Overlord

Ah, the Good Old Days. The days when a person with a high school education could earn enough money to own a car and a home. The good old days when top marginal tax rates were 90%, income gains for the 95th percentile were the same as those for the 20th percentile and CEOs didn’t make several hundred times what their lowest-paid workers made.

Those are the good old days that the cons are pining for, right?

376 Pie-onist Overlord  Sep 29, 2014 8:00:55am

re: #372 Romantic Heretic

Oh yes. I was debating that study about a year ago on another site. It severely misrepresents the facts, and uses data two decades old. For example it used a local program that was available for only six months and conflated it into a year long, nationwide program.

Surprisingly enough the person who introduced the report for debate, using it as ‘proof’ that the poor lead a luxurious life and are lazy, backed off when it was demonstrated what bullshit it was.

What that Cato “study” did was add up the total benefits from ALL programs and then use that as “a typical welfare subsidy” even though no one qualifies for every single program that exists.

377 Justanotherhuman  Sep 29, 2014 8:01:47am

re: #370 Pie-onist Overlord

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In other words, she was probably fired for being incompetent. Or worse.

You’re usually only refused UI if you’re fired “for cause”. Her beef should be with her former employer, not those who serve her Big Macs.

378 Pie-onist Overlord  Sep 29, 2014 8:01:54am

Noreen is blocked & muted.

379 HappyWarrior  Sep 29, 2014 8:02:17am

re: #371 Lidane

What kills me is the nonsense that these people constantly spew about “job creators”. It never dawns on them that the real job creators are the consumers. You can come up an amazing idea, and sell it with the slickest VC pitch to get millions in backing, but if nobody buys what you’re selling it’s pointless.

I had to explain this to a bunch of RWNJ cretins the other day. Doesn’t matter how much money someone invests in a business or how many initial hires they make. Without consumers who earn a living wage and who can afford to buy their products, it’s all moot.

Exactly. Man this times a million.

380 Decatur Deb  Sep 29, 2014 8:02:35am

re: #363 Pie-onist Overlord

HURR HURR I’M BEIN DISCRIMINATED AGAINST I’M HOMELESS & UNEMPLOYED BUT I CAN’T A JRRB BECAUSE OBAMACARE & TEH ILLEGALS IS STOPPING ME!!!!!!

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Heh. An unemployment insurance “refusnik”.

Guess Noreen also refuses to collect the auto insurance if someone hits their car.

381 iossarian  Sep 29, 2014 8:03:37am

re: #373 Feline Fearless Leader

I note from looking over some 1970s movies that if you needed an actor to play an assassin you hired Max Von Sydow.

Can I just point out now that despite my hatred for consumerism in general, I am all about the “British Villains” Jaguar commercial.

382 Varek Raith  Sep 29, 2014 8:03:51am

re: #376 Pie-onist Overlord

What that Cato “study” did was add up the total benefits from ALL programs and then use that as “a typical welfare subsidy” even though no one qualifies for every single program that exists.

I think that’s the one.

383 A Mom Anon  Sep 29, 2014 8:04:42am

re: #357 Pie-onist Overlord

Sigh.

I wish it was still that easy. Up until I stopped working to take care of our son full time in the early 90s, I never had trouble finding work. Now, it wasn’t high paying or anything, but I managed to get by and do ok. Not with a savings account, but basic needs were met. There were times I also worked more than one job. But, a lot of my money went to child care (my second job was at the daycare my daughter went to, so I spent 25 hours a week to pay for her to be there while I worked at my first job. I never saw her, even at the daycare job).

Fast forward 21 yrs. I’ve been a full time mom that whole time, I’ve said that here before. I cannot find work. Being a Mom does NOT COUNT as even the most basic experience (so the family values people and the people who spout how important motherhood is while denigrating it can kiss my ass). I have done all the resume polishing I can do. Bullet points, skill sets, etc. I’ve put myself out there as an autism advocate (which is true, I just never got paid a dime for it) and a host of other things. The phone does not ring. I have no professional references and I think that is what is screwing me over. I am not asking for a handout. I am asking for a entry level retail job with the opportunity to work my way up the ladder. I have NO problem with that. I have no idea how to break through that. I also don’t think people get how isolating it can be to be a Mom, especially when you have a child with a disability. There were no school volunteer things, nothing that lasted more than a few days at a time. There was no socializing with other Moms as my kid grew up, we were asked to leave every play group and Moms Morning Out program I signed us up for.

Anyhoo, these assholes still think it’s the 1970’s and 80’s where you could find jobs if you really wanted to work. It is not like that anymore. It just isn’t no matter how much they insist it is.

384 Pie-onist Overlord  Sep 29, 2014 8:04:54am

Looks like “Minuteman” is a poacher

385 Feline Fearless Leader  Sep 29, 2014 8:05:02am

re: #375 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Ah, the Good Old Days. The days when a person with a high school education could earn enough money to own a car and a home. The good old days when top marginal tax rates were 90%, income gains for the 95th percentile were the same as those for the 20th percentile and CEOs didn’t make several hundred times what their lowest-paid workers made.

Those are the good old days that the cons are pining for, right?

No, they want pre-1900 before there was any income tax, child labor laws, or environmental protection laws that might affect their profits.

Note that a lot of the conservative voters also believe that they will be part of the high income new aristocracy and not those trampled underfoot. Or at least being some sort of overseer acting as a petty overlord above others. Another delusion.

386 ausador  Sep 29, 2014 8:05:50am

re: #352 Pie-onist Overlord

Just read a report yesterday where Maryland figures that each Walmart costs the state approx. $990,000 a year in benefits to the employees.

387 Feline Fearless Leader  Sep 29, 2014 8:06:29am

re: #381 iossarian

Can I just point out now that despite my hatred for consumerism in general, I am all about the “British Villains” Jaguar commercial.

Well done mining of a stereotype.

388 lawhawk  Sep 29, 2014 8:08:27am

Developing. Officer involved shooting in Asbury Park NJ.

The Asbury Park Press notes a witness apparently seeing an officer struggle with someone, and a single shot. The officer was apparently injured and taken away in an ambulance.

Law enforcement has a very tough job. One of the toughest out there. They risk their lives every day in maintaining public safety. At the same time, they have to uphold their end of the social compact as well. That means being responsive to public inquiry and investigations into malfeasance, excessive force, and protecting the rights of all citizens, including those that they take in to custody.

389 HappyWarrior  Sep 29, 2014 8:09:55am

They want a return to an America that never was really. That’s modern American conservatism. A fantasy and desire to return to the past that never was.

390 Feline Fearless Leader  Sep 29, 2014 8:10:01am

nbcnews.com

Now there is an interesting challenge if you’re the White House chief chef.

391 Pie-onist Overlord  Sep 29, 2014 8:10:45am

re: #386 ausador

Just read a report yesterday where Maryland figures that each Walmart costs the state approx. $990,000 a year in benefits to the employees.

Each Walmart store costs taxpayers 900K in benefits for employees

392 iossarian  Sep 29, 2014 8:13:13am

re: #383 A Mom Anon

I also don’t think people get how isolating it can be to be a Mom, especially when you have a child with a disability. There were no school volunteer things, nothing that lasted more than a few days at a time. There was no socializing with other Moms as my kid grew up, we were asked to leave every play group and Moms Morning Out program I signed us up for.

That sucks. You did the right things for your child and I hope you draw strength from that.

393 HappyWarrior  Sep 29, 2014 8:16:02am

re: #386 ausador

Just read a report yesterday where Maryland figures that each Walmart costs the state approx. $990,000 a year in benefits to the employees.

So by paying their employees shitty wages and benefits, they’re costing the taxpayer.

394 Higgs Boson's Mate  Sep 29, 2014 8:16:07am

re: #383 A Mom Anon

Our son, born in 1985, is autistic so I know the drill. I doff my hat to you.

395 urbanmeemaw  Sep 29, 2014 8:16:22am

re: #317 lawhawk

Of course Hoft would retweet O’Keefe’s latest nonsensical videos that he’s going to blow the lid off the system (or other such hyperbole).

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Why is it when I think about O’Keefe and “things heating up” I picture him heating up Spaghettios on a hot plate?

396 Justanotherhuman  Sep 29, 2014 8:16:48am

re: #383 A Mom Anon

Sigh.

I’ve worked in retail, after a long “office” career. Drop the “polished” resume; they’re not interested in what you did 21 yrs ago, either, or what you do on a volunteer basis, or even how much education you have, only if you can “follow orders”.

Just go in there cold, with no real experience listed, and you actually might get something, even if it’s a cashier’s job, esp since you’re a computer user. There is no “ladder climbing” from actual clerking, unless you want to be a dept mgr or something similar. You’re going to start out at min wage or just a little above in any retail job, in the south.

They hire teens w/no experience, why not a mature woman? Just don’t go into it with any expectations of climbing any ladders.

397 HappyWarrior  Sep 29, 2014 8:17:02am

re: #395 urbanmeemaw

Why is it when I think about O’Keefe and “things heating up” I picture him heating up Spaghettios on a hot plate?

Well he is very childish.

398 NJDhockeyfan  Sep 29, 2014 8:17:20am
399 HappyWarrior  Sep 29, 2014 8:19:09am

You know, they talk about getting a job blah blah but it’s not that simple. I’ve applied for several jobs since I graduated college. A lot rightfully is made out of unemployment but underemployment is a problem too. I don’t want to come off a stuck up here but I really think I could be doing better than part time level internship material with a B.A and an above average GPA too. I don’t expect a six figure starting salary or even 50K which isn’t that much around here in the DC burbs but I’d like to prove myself.

400 Justanotherhuman  Sep 29, 2014 8:19:48am

re: #398 NJDhockeyfan

401 Pie-onist Overlord  Sep 29, 2014 8:20:57am

re: #399 HappyWarrior

You know, they talk about getting a job blah blah but it’s not that simple. I’ve applied for several jobs since I graduated college. A lot rightfully is made out of unemployment but underemployment is a problem too. I don’t want to come off a stuck up here but I really think I could be doing better than part time level internship material with a B.A and an above average GPA too. I don’t expect a six figure starting salary or even 50K which isn’t that much around here in the DC burbs but I’d like to prove myself.

402 Pie-onist Overlord  Sep 29, 2014 8:21:50am

IDIOT==>

403 lawhawk  Sep 29, 2014 8:22:56am

re: #402 Pie-onist Overlord

That’s worse than the usual ID-10T error you usually come across. That’s weapons grade derp right there.

404 HappyWarrior  Sep 29, 2014 8:23:00am

re: #401 Pie-onist Overlord

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Charlie Fucking Day, well more accurately Charlie Kelly since I believe that’s him in character from it’s Always Sunny. That rant is right though. Really I’ve applied for every kind of work from retail to research work at think tanks.

405 Pie-onist Overlord  Sep 29, 2014 8:23:17am
406 RealityBasedSteve  Sep 29, 2014 8:23:24am

re: #38 teleskiguy

I’m sure he won’t mind. He mostly uses it to talk to me and some of his favorite DJs and musicians. He is also quite the pun master!

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I am SO ripping that off…. I owe your old man a virtual royalty payment, he can expect it once I get that last transit fee for the Nigerian oil money taken care of.

RBS

407 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Sep 29, 2014 8:23:55am

re: #388 lawhawk

Law enforcement has a very tough job. One of the toughest out there. They risk their lives every day in maintaining public safety. At the same time, they have to uphold their end of the social compact as well. That means being responsive to public inquiry and investigations into malfeasance, excessive force, and protecting the rights of all citizens, including those that they take in to custody.

I can only agree, but there are some police departments in which the problem is not the action of isolated officers, but a culture of cronyism and corruption that goes right to the top and beyond.

408 HappyWarrior  Sep 29, 2014 8:23:59am

re: #402 Pie-onist Overlord

IDIOT==>

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Then he’s a patronizing idiot insulting millions of Holocaust victims.

409 Bulworth  Sep 29, 2014 8:24:10am

re:
#384

Oh these derpers are preppers?

My surprise face….

410 HappyWarrior  Sep 29, 2014 8:24:44am

re: #409 Bulworth

re:
#384

Oh these derpers are preppers?

My surprise face….

That’s a fun to watch show. Pretty much all the Preppers are bigoted nuts paranoid about doomsday.

411 Higgs Boson's Mate  Sep 29, 2014 8:24:48am

re: #317 lawhawk

Of course Hoft would retweet O’Keefe’s latest nonsensical videos that he’s going to blow the lid off the system (or other such hyperbole).

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Odd that the RWNJs never tumble to the fact that the blow-the-lid-off-of-[Insert nonsense] revelations provided by wankers like O’Keefe are always things that less than five minutes’ worth of Googling would reveal to be either mundane or outright lies?

412 Pie-onist Overlord  Sep 29, 2014 8:24:48am
413 sagehen  Sep 29, 2014 8:25:13am

re: #383 A Mom Anon

Anyhoo, these assholes still think it’s the 1970’s and 80’s where you could find jobs if you really wanted to work. It is not like that anymore. It just isn’t no matter how much they insist it is.

In the 70’s and 80’s, being a fast typist, being able to do word processing… that was a seriously marketable skill. Temp agencies would give me as much or as little work as I wanted, whatever shift I wanted, for about 3x minimum wage.

Those skills today have zero value, since most 3rd graders can do it.

414 HappyWarrior  Sep 29, 2014 8:27:40am

re: #413 sagehen

In the 70’s and 80’s, being a fast typist, being able to do word processing… that was a seriously marketable skill. Temp agencies would give me as much or as little work as I wanted, whatever shift I wanted, for about 3x minimum wage.

Those skills today have zero value, since most 3rd graders can do it.

I’d wager to say research is the same way. But then again I don’t think I would be an as skilled researcher if not for the modern technology.

415 Charles Johnson  Sep 29, 2014 8:30:00am
416 RealityBasedSteve  Sep 29, 2014 8:30:59am

re: #373 Feline Fearless Leader

I note from looking over some 1970s movies that if you needed an actor to play an assassin you hired Max Von Sydow.

Joubert: Well, the fact is, what I do is not a bad occupation. Someone is always willing to pay.
Joe Turner: I would find it… tiring.
Joubert: Oh, no - it’s quite restful. It’s almost peaceful. No need to believe in either side, or any side. There is no cause. There’s only yourself. The belief is in your own precision.

From Three Days of the Condor Joubert (Max von Sydow) explaining to Turner (Robert Redford) what he does… I still remember the scene of him painting the Napoleonic miniatures.

RBS

417 Pie-onist Overlord  Sep 29, 2014 8:31:09am

Another idiot heard from==>

418 Feline Fearless Leader  Sep 29, 2014 8:32:50am

re: #416 RealityBasedSteve

Joubert: Well, the fact is, what I do is not a bad occupation. Someone is always willing to pay.
Joe Turner: I would find it… tiring.
Joubert: Oh, no - it’s quite restful. It’s almost peaceful. No need to believe in either side, or any side. There is no cause. There’s only yourself. The belief is in your own precision.

From Three Days of the Condor Joubert (Max von Sydow) explaining to Turner (Robert Redford) what he does… I still remember the scene of him painting the Napoleonic miniatures.

RBS

That was one of the movies I was basing my remark on.

419 iceweasel  Sep 29, 2014 8:33:12am

re: #389 HappyWarrior

They want a return to an America that never was really. That’s modern American conservatism. A fantasy and desire to return to the past that never was.

You’re absolutely right:

Umberto Eco: 14 Ways of Looking at a Black Shirt:

1. The first feature of Ur-Fascism is the cult of tradition.

Also:

Ur-Fascism is still around us, sometimes in plainclothes. It would be so much easier for us if there appeared on the world scene somebody saying, “I want to reopen Auschwitz, I want the Blackshirts to parade again in the Italian squares.” Life is not that simple. Ur-Fascism can come back under the most innocent of disguises. Our duty is to uncover it and to point our finger at any of its new instances — every day, in every part of the world. Franklin Roosevelt’s words of November 4, 1938, are worth recalling: “If American democracy ceases to move forward as a living force, seeking day and night by peaceful means to better the lot of our citizens, fascism will grow in strength in our land.” Freedom and liberation are an unending task.

420 iossarian  Sep 29, 2014 8:33:27am

re: #415 Charles Johnson

In which a right-wing writer reveals that his primary purpose in life is to troll libruls.

421 Justanotherhuman  Sep 29, 2014 8:33:41am

re: #413 sagehen

In the 70’s and 80’s, being a fast typist, being able to do word processing… that was a seriously marketable skill. Temp agencies would give me as much or as little work as I wanted, whatever shift I wanted, for about 3x minimum wage.

Those skills today have zero value, since most 3rd graders can do it.

Not only that, but in the 90s, if you didn’t know all the office programs out there, you were also almost unemployable, as I found out after 5 yrs of using a dedicated Mac program in a lawyer’s office (1994 was the year I left). The 90s was the decade they completely eliminated “secretarial” jobs in favor of “executive asst” or some other such BS, so if you weren’t up on your computer game, you were toast. Even the temp agencies were giving lessons in those programs to old hands like me.

I probably couldn’t work in an office theses days, even with all my experience. : )

422 Pie-onist Overlord  Sep 29, 2014 8:33:56am

Another idiot blocked & muted:

423 sagehen  Sep 29, 2014 8:34:06am

re: #390 Feline Fearless Leader

nbcnews.com

Now there is an interesting challenge if you’re the White House chief chef.

How hard can it be? Serve appropriate drinks, guests who aren’t fasting can eat somewhere else before they get there or after they leave, won’t need as many waiters or dishwashers as the usual state dinner….

424 NJDhockeyfan  Sep 29, 2014 8:34:46am
425 Higgs Boson's Mate  Sep 29, 2014 8:34:47am

re: #415 Charles Johnson

Milo Yiannopoulos comes across as a guy who hasn’t been laid for so long that his necktie gets hard in the presence of a woman.

426 Timothy Watson  Sep 29, 2014 8:35:25am

I wish I knew if I have a cold or if allergies are just kicking my ass.

427 Pie-onist Overlord  Sep 29, 2014 8:35:37am

And all the HURR HURR BUNCHA GUNZ COULDA STOPPED TEH HOLOCAUST!!!!!! are too stupid to chew their own food. Totally scary to think of them all with guns.

428 Pie-onist Overlord  Sep 29, 2014 8:36:01am

re: #425 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Milo Yiannopoulos comes across as a guy who hasn’t been laid for so long that his necktie gets hard in the presence of a woman.

He’s gay.

429 Justanotherhuman  Sep 29, 2014 8:36:19am

re: #419 iceweasel

You’re absolutely right:

Umberto Eco: 14 Ways of Looking at a Black Shirt:

1. The first feature of Ur-Fascism is the cult of tradition.

Also:

Eco should be everyone’s “go to guy” for expertise on fascism.

430 HappyWarrior  Sep 29, 2014 8:36:27am

re: #419 iceweasel

You’re absolutely right:

Umberto Eco: 14 Ways of Looking at a Black Shirt:

1. The first feature of Ur-Fascism is the cult of tradition.

Also:

Good read, thanks.

431 Higgs Boson's Mate  Sep 29, 2014 8:36:51am

re: #428 Pie-onist Overlord

He’s gay.

Or man.

432 iceweasel  Sep 29, 2014 8:37:30am

re: #429 Justanotherhuman

Eco should be everyone’s “go to guy” for expertise on fascism.

Totally agree— I’ve read that particular essay so many times, and posted it a lot too, but (sadly) it never stops being relevant.

433 A Mom Anon  Sep 29, 2014 8:37:46am

re: #396 Justanotherhuman

Thing is, you go into a place and ask to talk to the hiring manager and they tell you to either go to their handy dandy in store job application kiosk or go home and fill out an application and they’ll get back to you. That’s how it is now unless you go to a small independent business and fill out a physical job app. Trust me, I’ve been at this for nearly 3 yrs now. I have filled out more than one application for the same place. I go in and try to talk to people. I’m not a person who gives up easy, but this shit is ridiculous.

434 HappyWarrior  Sep 29, 2014 8:38:07am

re: #422 Pie-onist Overlord

Another idiot blocked & muted:

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Ah yes “Personal Responsibility,” Or more accurately “Some conservative dickbag who has never met you lectures you on your life and your decisions.”

435 Pie-onist Overlord  Sep 29, 2014 8:39:43am

re: #434 HappyWarrior

Ah yes “Personal Responsibility,” Or more accurately “Some conservative dickbag who has never met you lectures you on your life and your decisions.”

They all think I must be on welfare or working at some shit jrb for minimum wage because really, why else would an actual working person give a shit about the Poors?

436 Timothy Watson  Sep 29, 2014 8:40:30am

Wow, just saw this picture on Wikipedia: Why can’t we have a “classy” First Lady like Nancy Reagan?
Nancy Reagan sitting on Mr. T’s lap

437 HappyWarrior  Sep 29, 2014 8:40:53am

re: #433 A Mom Anon

Thing is, you go into a place and ask to talk to the hiring manager and they tell you to either go to their handy dandy in store job application kiosk or go home and fill out an application and they’ll get back to you. That’s how it is now unless you go to a small independent business and fill out a physical job app. Trust me, I’ve been at this for nearly 3 yrs now. I have filled out more than one application for the same place. I go in and try to talk to people. I’m not a person who gives up easy, but this shit is ridiculous.

It goes back to their fantasy about tradition. That in the “good old days” all you have to do was fill out a job application and you could get a job on the spot. That kind of experience is very rare especially if you’re a college graduate. And there’s so much resume tailoring and cover letter tailoring. Getting a job in itself these days is a job. I don’t propose to have all the answers but I do think we’d benefit if employers saw their employees more like people rather than just someone they could pay cheaply as possible so they could get more for themselevs.

438 Varek Raith  Sep 29, 2014 8:41:04am

re: #405 Pie-onist Overlord

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France had guns too!

439 The Ghost of a Flea  Sep 29, 2014 8:41:45am

Obviously, a few more personal weapons would have stopped the Holocaust, as opposed to those held by the national armies and Allies-backed partisans.

This is totally logical because action movies are the basis for combat strategy.

440 ausador  Sep 29, 2014 8:42:02am

re: #438 Varek Raith

France had guns too!

They needed something to tie the white flags to?

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441 Pie-onist Overlord  Sep 29, 2014 8:42:50am

re: #436 Timothy Watson

Wow, just saw this picture on Wikipedia: Why can’t we have a “classy” First Lady like Nancy Reagan?
Nancy Reagan sitting on Mr. T’s lap

I’ve been pushing that meme for a while

442 Feline Fearless Leader  Sep 29, 2014 8:43:03am

re: #434 HappyWarrior

Ah yes “Personal Responsibility,” Or more accurately “Some conservative dickbag who has never met you lectures you on your life and your decisions.”

It’s quickly becoming another code phrase of “I got mine. Go away and die.”

443 Justanotherhuman  Sep 29, 2014 8:43:42am

re: #433 A Mom Anon

Thing is, you go into a place and ask to talk to the hiring manager and they tell you to either go to their handy dandy in store job application kiosk or go home and fill out an application and they’ll get back to you. That’s how it is now unless you go to a small independent business and fill out a physical job app. Trust me, I’ve been at this for nearly 3 yrs now. I have filled out more than one application for the same place. I go in and try to talk to people. I’m not a person who gives up easy, but this shit is ridiculous.

The thing is, they just don’t care about the individual and your accomlishments. Every corp uses online apps now (and “tests”, too), and you have to keep going back, time after time, to the individual stores. I know people who have done it, currently, and sometimes, you just have to be there on a particular day when they really need the help.

I couldn’t believe what my grandson had to go through just to get a job at Burger King.

Gone are the days when you could just go in and make a good impression without all the rigmarole.

444 A Mom Anon  Sep 29, 2014 8:43:52am

Ok lizards, speaking of jobs and such, I have to get on the phone and talk to the vocational rehab people about getting The Son into a new job program. BBL.

445 iossarian  Sep 29, 2014 8:43:57am

re: #433 A Mom Anon

Now that college application season is rolling around, have you ever looked at seasonal application reading/evaluation positions? Sorry if this is unwelcome/annoying advice - that just happens to be my area and I know that some of the big state U’s in particular have growing demand for that work.

446 WhatEVs  Sep 29, 2014 8:44:19am

re: #229 Romantic Heretic

Well, you have to remember, for many Americans geography isn’t important because only America matters, or exists. To many Ukraine might as well be next to Lothlorien.

It’s one of the reasons 9/11 was such a shock. “OMG! There are places other than America, and they can hurt us!” <shrieking panic>

Yes, but those same American’s can’t find Omaha on a map.

447 CriticalDragon1177  Sep 29, 2014 8:44:35am

re: #12 De Kolta Chair

Well, you know who else is grey. Just saying.

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I think the grays labotomized Kristinn Taylor, and that explains why he didn’t have enough gray matter to understand what Obama actually said. ;)

448 HappyWarrior  Sep 29, 2014 8:45:19am

re: #442 Feline Fearless Leader

It’s quickly becoming another code phrase of “I got mine. Go away and die.”

I think both work but I do have to admit I do immediately raise the old stink eye everytime a conservative on Twitter, the news, in office, or whatever says “personal responsibility” because it’s so often accompanied by condescending right wing bullshit.

449 The Ghost of a Flea  Sep 29, 2014 8:45:24am

Chuck Norris’s Art of War

1. Fire a .50 cal machine gun without a mount.
2. The finer points of dual-wielding SMGs.
3. Sidekicks!
4. Explosions!

War don’t require no thirteen chapters of chicken scratches to figure out.

450 Timothy Watson  Sep 29, 2014 8:45:24am

re: #441 Pie-onist Overlord

I’ve been pushing that meme for a while

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Damn, missed that!

451 Targetpractice  Sep 29, 2014 8:45:35am

re: #437 HappyWarrior

It goes back to their fantasy about tradition. That in the “good old days” all you have to do was fill out a job application and you could get a job on the spot. That kind of experience is very rare especially if you’re a college graduate. And there’s so much resume tailoring and cover letter tailoring. Getting a job in itself these days is a job. I don’t propose to have all the answers but I do think we’d benefit if employers saw their employees more like people rather than just someone they could pay cheaply as possible so they could get more for themselevs.

Just fill out an application? The days of the paper application came and went. Very rare are the places these days that I find paper applications still being handed out and most of those are small businesses. If you’re running anything more complicated than a franchise, then all applications are done electronically.

Gone are the days of chatting up the manager as you filled out a few boxes, now you spend 30 minutes filling out one application and a long questionnaire, after which the data is sent to the home office in another state and ran through algorithms they tell you nothing about to decide if you’re worth hiring. Then you might get a callback for an interview at the shop you’re looking to get hired at.

452 HappyWarrior  Sep 29, 2014 8:45:51am

re: #444 A Mom Anon

Ok lizards, speaking of jobs and such, I have to get on the phone and talk to the vocational rehab people about getting The Son into a new job program. BBL.

Good luck to your son. Being on the spectrum myself, I know how hard it is getting decent work.

453 Feline Fearless Leader  Sep 29, 2014 8:46:05am

re: #446 WhatEVs

Yes, but those same American’s can’t find Omaha on a map.

The beach or the wild kingdom?
// ;P

454 iceweasel  Sep 29, 2014 8:47:25am

re: #439 The Ghost of a Flea

Obviously, a few more personal weapons would have stopped the Holocaust, as opposed to those held by the national armies and Allies-backed partisans.

This is totally logical because action movies are the basis for combat strategy.

You know, there’s a very good postscript in the afterword to Primo Levi’s Survival in Auschwitz, where Levi talks about giving a presentation to very young children about his experiences, and one 5 year old boy drew him a little diagram of how he (levi) should escape from the camp if it ever happened to him again.

I thought he did a very kind job of answering the child, and going on to remark how this is an ideological fantasy, that having enough guns (or the right ‘mojo’) would protect you—

Because hey, that’s what happens in the movies, amirite?

455 HappyWarrior  Sep 29, 2014 8:47:38am

re: #451 Targetpractice

Just fill out an application? The days of the paper application came and went. Very rare are the places these days that I find paper applications still being handed out and most of those are small businesses. If you’re running anything more complicated than a franchise, then all applications are done electronically.

Gone are the days of chatting up the manager as you filled out a few boxes, now you spend 30 minutes filling out one application and a long questionnaire, after which the data is sent to the home office in another state and ran through algorithms they tell you nothing about to decide if you’re worth hiring. Then you might get a callback for an interview at the shop you’re looking to get hired at.

It took me no joke a half hour to fill out an application for LIDS. Then I called the manager and he said that he’d be making decisions by Sunday. Really anyone who believes in the old myth of plucky little so and so wearing his best dress shirt and tie going up to the manager and just asking for a job lives in a delusional world. The same world where tax cuts for the wealthy benefit everyone.

456 Varek Raith  Sep 29, 2014 8:48:20am

Why you all dissing Mr T?!?!?
/

457 Lidane  Sep 29, 2014 8:48:36am

re: #439 The Ghost of a Flea

Obviously, a few more personal weapons would have stopped the Holocaust, as opposed to those held by the national armies and Allies-backed partisans.

This is totally logical because action movies are the basis for combat strategy.

These dipshits think Inglorious Basterds was a documentary.

458 Pie-onist Overlord  Sep 29, 2014 8:48:51am
459 William Barnett-Lewis  Sep 29, 2014 8:49:21am

re: #402 Pie-onist Overlord

IDIOT==>

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Of course those “people with gunz” were called the US Army and the Red Army. No one else successfully opposed the Holocaust…

460 Pie-onist Overlord  Sep 29, 2014 8:49:29am

I like to take wingnut memes, “fix” them, and then re-release them into the Twitstream.

461 Varek Raith  Sep 29, 2014 8:49:33am

re: #439 The Ghost of a Flea

Seriously.
The Nazis steam rolled over many a European power.
What’s some bloke with a gun?

462 HappyWarrior  Sep 29, 2014 8:50:11am

If it took the militaries of the Allies, six years to stop the German armed forces, how long would a bunch of civilians with no military training for the most part to stop them? I mean it’s nice to believe something so simple could have stopped the Nazis but really no civilians were going to prevent the Holocaust. Even if they were armed, one only has to look at what happened to the many armies rolled over by the Nazi war machine.

463 ausador  Sep 29, 2014 8:50:32am

re: #449 The Ghost of a Flea

Chuck Norris’s Art of War

1. Fire a .50 cal machine gun without a mount.
2. The finer points of dual-wielding SMGs.
3. Sidekicks!
4. Explosions!

War don’t require no thirteen chapters of chicken scratches to figure out.

All which allows you to kill 250-300 enemies singlehandedly while only being barely grazed once even though approximately 35,000 rounds are fired at you.

464 Higgs Boson's Mate  Sep 29, 2014 8:50:45am

re: #434 HappyWarrior

Ah yes “Personal Responsibility,” Or more accurately “Some conservative dickbag who has never met you lectures you on your life and your decisions.”

Hey! I guess you’re forgetting about all of those CEOs who resigned with apologies when their banks and investment houses tanked the economy. You’re also forgetting the resignations of Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld when post-war Iraq turned into a sectarian abattoir.

465 Lidane  Sep 29, 2014 8:51:41am

re: #461 Varek Raith

Seriously.
The Nazis steam rolled over many a European power.
What’s some bloke with a gun?

Canon fodder. Literally.

466 Targetpractice  Sep 29, 2014 8:51:48am

re: #461 Varek Raith

Seriously.
The Nazis steam rolled over many a European power.
What’s some bloke with a gun?

A target. Nimrods don’t seem to understand that, had a few hundred or thousand Jews with small arms tried to fight back in a disorganized fashion, all it would have done is given the Reich the excuse it needed to dispense with all the theater and just started gunning them down in the streets.

Not to mention there were more Jews killed from conquered nations than there were German Jews who were rounded up and sent off to the camps.

467 Pie-onist Overlord  Sep 29, 2014 8:52:00am

re: #462 HappyWarrior

If it took the militaries of the Allies, six years to stop the German armed forces, how long would a bunch of civilians with no military training for the most part to stop them? I mean it’s nice to believe something so simple could have stopped the Nazis but really no civilians were going to prevent the Holocaust. Even if they were armed, one only has to look at what happened to the many armies rolled over by the Nazi war machine.

The Warsaw Ghetto held out for a while, but ultimately they were crushed, just like the Alamo. This is the scenario the gun-fuckers imagine, except they think it would have a different ending, like in the movies.

468 Justanotherhuman  Sep 29, 2014 8:52:25am

Gotta go. Later Lizards! Have a great day.

Good luck to the job hunters, but it really is a jungle out there these days. : (

469 Lidane  Sep 29, 2014 8:53:25am

re: #467 Pie-onist Overlord

The Warsaw Ghetto held out for a while, but ultimately they were crushed, just like the Alamo. This is the scenario the gun-fuckers imagine, except they think it would have a different ending, like in the movies.

That’s because they keep forgetting that the fighters at the Alamo lost. Damn near all of them died.

The real legacy of the Alamo was that their deaths spurred on the rest of the Texas revolutionaries. It wasn’t a key victory at all.

470 HappyWarrior  Sep 29, 2014 8:54:08am

re: #467 Pie-onist Overlord

The Warsaw Ghetto held out for a while, but ultimately they were crushed, just like the Alamo. This is the scenario the gun-fuckers imagine, except they think it would have a different ending, like in the movies.

Yeah I did some research on the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising.

471 Targetpractice  Sep 29, 2014 8:55:21am

re: #462 HappyWarrior

If it took the militaries of the Allies, six years to stop the German armed forces, how long would a bunch of civilians with no military training for the most part to stop them? I mean it’s nice to believe something so simple could have stopped the Nazis but really no civilians were going to prevent the Holocaust. Even if they were armed, one only has to look at what happened to the many armies rolled over by the Nazi war machine.

No, if one wants to look at the futility of such arguments, they need to only look at the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising. 13,000 Jews killed and the rest sent off to the camps, while 17 German soldiers were killed.

472 wrenchwench  Sep 29, 2014 8:55:48am

re: #265 Decatur Deb

‘Morning, all. Wonkette has given Charles some love for the exchange with the Hang ‘em High derpster:

wonkette.com

Oooh, it has a happy ending:

Hard to believe the National Review is unprofitable.

473 HappyWarrior  Sep 29, 2014 8:56:06am

re: #471 Targetpractice

No, if one wants to look at the futility of such arguments, they need to only look at the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising. 13,000 Jews killed and the rest sent off to the camps, while 17 German soldiers were killed.

That’s a good point.

474 HappyWarrior  Sep 29, 2014 8:57:17am

re: #472 wrenchwench

Oooh, it has a happy ending:

Would I be a bad person if I did a happy jig the day NR went out of business? Really from the start. it’s been a terrible magazine using conservatism to disguise what it really is: A white nationalist apologist and sexist rag.

475 Feline Fearless Leader  Sep 29, 2014 8:57:18am

re: #469 Lidane

That’s because they keep forgetting that the fighters at the Alamo lost. Damn near all of them died.

The real legacy of the Alamo was that their deaths spurred on the rest of the Texas revolutionaries. It wasn’t a key victory at all.

That and it bought a few more days for Sam Houston to get the others organized. And they (the Texas army) spent a while running even then before turning and defeating Santa Anna at San Jacinto after he got complacent and also divided his forces.

476 Lidane  Sep 29, 2014 8:58:20am

re: #471 Targetpractice

No, if one wants to look at the futility of such arguments, they need to only look at the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising. 13,000 Jews killed and the rest sent off to the camps, while 17 German soldiers were killed.

I watched a documentary about the Warsaw Ghetto called A Film Unfinished. It was about an unfinished Nazi propaganda film that they were trying to make about life in the Ghetto to make it look like people were living the high life in comfort instead of suffering under the Reich.

It’s definitely worth your time if you’ve never seen it.

477 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Sep 29, 2014 8:59:41am

re: #469 Lidane

The real legacy of the Alamo was that their deaths spurred on the rest of the Texas revolutionaries. It wasn’t a key victory at all.

MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!

478 WhatEVs  Sep 29, 2014 9:01:41am

re: #474 HappyWarrior

Would I be a bad person if I did a happy jig the day NR went out of business? Really from the start. it’s been a terrible magazine using conservatism to disguise what it really is: A white nationalist apologist and sexist rag.

Nope, not a bad person at all.

479 HappyWarrior  Sep 29, 2014 9:02:22am

Here’s another thing that I thought about since Lidane brought up that Nazi propaganda film. I think the Nazis would have definitely used it to inflame people even more against the Jewish people. “Look at those evil Jews firing on our brave soldiers.”

480 Bulworth  Sep 29, 2014 9:03:16am

RE:
#472

Smug twat-waffle Kevin D. Williamson of the Jim Crow Picayune – oh sorry, we meant the National Review

Must be nice to win the internet so early in the week….

481 HappyWarrior  Sep 29, 2014 9:04:25am

re: #478 WhatEVs

Nope, not a bad person at all.

Really though, for all the whitewashing of the late William F. Buckley, I will point out that he did start out as a Joseph McCarthy apologist who believed that the Civil Rights Movement was Communist subversion and frankly (and I know I can’t prove it) but I think he only wrote against the Birchers because he felt they were making the so called mainstream right look bad. I don’t think he had any problem with their tactics or their bigory but rather what they were presenting to the public as conservatism. Kind of like how GOP politicos now try to distance themselves from the TP.

482 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Sep 29, 2014 9:05:51am

re: #479 HappyWarrior

Here’s another thing that I thought about since Lidane brought up that Nazi propaganda film. I think the Nazis would have definitely used it to inflame people even more against the Jewish people. “Look at those evil Jews firing on our brave soldiers.”

Remember those evil Belgian civilians firing on German soldiers who were just peacefully marching through in September, 1914…

483 HappyWarrior  Sep 29, 2014 9:06:38am

re: #482 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Remember those evil Belgian civilians firing on German soldiers who were just peacefully marching through in September, 1914…

I was thinking more how the Nazis tried to blame the Poles for hte invasion but that works.

484 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Sep 29, 2014 9:06:57am

well, we may have a new contender for World’s Dumbest Congressman.

485 Targetpractice  Sep 29, 2014 9:07:35am

re: #479 HappyWarrior

Here’s another thing that I thought about since Lidane brought up that Nazi propaganda film. I think the Nazis would have definitely used it to inflame people even more against the Jewish people. “Look at those evil Jews firing on our brave soldiers.”

Goebbels would have considered it manna from heaven. Why work to create bullshit reasons for the execution of the Jewish population when you could have simply labeled it a matter of “national security”? It’s not as though we’d have any room to talk with our own internment camps for Japanese-Americans.

486 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Sep 29, 2014 9:07:48am

re: #483 HappyWarrior

I was thinking more how the Nazis tried to blame the Poles for hte invasion but that works.

The Poles attacked a Right-Wing German talk radio station in Gleiwitz…

487 HappyWarrior  Sep 29, 2014 9:09:59am

re: #485 Targetpractice

Goebbels would have considered it manna from heaven. Why work to create bullshit reasons for the execution of the Jewish population when you could have simply labeled it a matter of “national security”? It’s not as though we’d have any room to talk with our own internment camps for Japanese-Americans.

Yep. Great point. I can just see Goebells salivating at the thought of Jewish civilians firing on the Nazis and despite what a lot of people believe, the Nazis did especially in Eastern Europe try to present themselves as the good guys and hell I hate to say it could have succeeded if they weren’t bigots against Eastern Europeans.

488 Targetpractice  Sep 29, 2014 9:11:19am

re: #487 HappyWarrior

Yep. Great point. I can just see Goebells salivating at the thought of Jewish civilians firing on the Nazis and despite what a lot of people believe, the Nazis did especially in Eastern Europe try to present themselves as the good guys and hell I hate to say it could have succeeded if they weren’t bigots against Eastern Europeans.

Oh, definitely. If they’d been able to keep their hatred of the Slavic people under control, they’d have had a ready supply of volunteers to fight against the Soviets. Or, at the very least, they wouldn’t have had to expend so many resources keeping the partisans under control in their back ranks while they pushed forward towards Moscow.

489 HappyWarrior  Sep 29, 2014 9:13:19am

re: #488 Targetpractice

Oh, definitely. If they’d been able to keep their hatred of the Slavic people under control, they’d have had a ready supply of volunteers to fight against the Soviets. Or, at the very least, they wouldn’t have had to expend so many resources keeping the partisans under control in their back ranks while they pushed forward towards Moscow.

It already is amazing that they had that many volunteers in the occupied nations despite their overt hatred of those peoples. Now just imagine if they kept it under wraps and used the Anti-Soviet as a driving force. A lot of European right wingers with the notable exception of Churchill did see the Nazis as the lesser evil versus the Soviets.

490 Targetpractice  Sep 29, 2014 9:15:16am

re: #489 HappyWarrior

It already is amazing that they had that many volunteers in the occupied nations despite their overt hatred of those peoples. Now just imagine if they kept it under wraps and used the Anti-Soviet as a driving force. A lot of European right wingers with the notable exception of Churchill did see the Nazis as the lesser evil versus the Soviets.

Churchill and Patton both thought the best plan for the immediate post-war situation was to rearm the Wehrmacht, turn them East, and use them as the front ranks in a war with the Soviets.

491 RealityBasedSteve  Sep 29, 2014 9:15:23am

re: #487 HappyWarrior

Yep. Great point. I can just see Goebells salivating at the thought of Jewish civilians firing on the Nazis and despite what a lot of people believe, the Nazis did especially in Eastern Europe try to present themselves as the good guys and hell I hate to say it could have succeeded if they weren’t bigots against Eastern Europeans.

I recently finished a book that stressed that point. If the German army had behaved differently they could have been viewed as liberators and not had to deal with a 1000 mile supply line with partisans along much of the length.

RBS

492 Feline Fearless Leader  Sep 29, 2014 9:16:13am

re: #488 Targetpractice

Oh, definitely. If they’d been able to keep their hatred of the Slavic people under control, they’d have had a ready supply of volunteers to fight against the Soviets. Or, at the very least, they wouldn’t have had to expend so many resources keeping the partisans under control in their back ranks while they pushed forward towards Moscow.

They succeeded in any case in being able to recruiting Slavs for various auxiliary units that were used to guard camps, fight partisans, and even took part in reducing the Warsaw Ghetto. The long history of Anti-Semitism in Europe was all too easily tapped by the Nazi Party and state for their own purposes.

493 HappyWarrior  Sep 29, 2014 9:16:53am

re: #490 Targetpractice

Churchill and Patton both thought the best plan for the immediate post-war situation was to rearm the Wehrmacht, turn them East, and use them as the front ranks in a war with the Soviets.

That’s a scary thought. Makes me glad Attlee beat Churchill and that Eisenhower not Patton was in charge of Allied Forces.

494 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Sep 29, 2014 9:17:37am

re: #488 Targetpractice

Oh, definitely. If they’d been able to keep their hatred of the Slavic people under control, they’d have had a ready supply of volunteers to fight against the Soviets. Or, at the very least, they wouldn’t have had to expend so many resources keeping the partisans under control in their back ranks while they pushed forward towards Moscow.

I just read a book written by Hans von Herwarth, who was a diplomatic attaché to the Soviet embassy between the wars.

He wrote that there were a lot of Germans who advocated arming the Ukranians, White Russians and other Slavs to fight against Bolshevism.
They could easily have raised ten divisions, but the Nazis were not ibnterested, nor would they have been willing to make any political concessions to them after the war: that land was to be set aside as Lebensaum for victorious Germans.

495 Feline Fearless Leader  Sep 29, 2014 9:17:42am

re: #489 HappyWarrior

It already is amazing that they had that many volunteers in the occupied nations despite their overt hatred of those peoples. Now just imagine if they kept it under wraps and used the Anti-Soviet as a driving force. A lot of European right wingers with the notable exception of Churchill did see the Nazis as the lesser evil versus the Soviets.

It also served as a convenient excuse for collaborators like those running the Vichy government. Fighting the communist scourge.

496 HappyWarrior  Sep 29, 2014 9:17:58am

re: #492 Feline Fearless Leader

They succeeded in any case in being able to recruiting Slavs for various auxiliary units that were used to guard camps, fight partisans, and even took part in reducing the Warsaw Ghetto. The long history of Anti-Semitism in Europe was all too easily tapped by the Nazi Party and state for their own purposes.

Yes, I have some distant relations that were in the Slovenian Home Guard. Others who were Partisans. There’s no doubt at all that the Nazis did take advantage of the culture of Anti-Semitism in Europe that goes back generations and despite what hacks like Horowitz and Jonah Goldberg believe was far from left wing.

497 HappyWarrior  Sep 29, 2014 9:18:39am

re: #495 Feline Fearless Leader

It also served as a convenient excuse for collaborators like those running the Vichy government. Fighting the communist scourge.

Yep. And you have someone like Marshal Petain in charge, it’s somewhat easy to see why many French bought it.

498 HappyWarrior  Sep 29, 2014 9:19:18am

Anti-Communism isn’t a bad ideology in itself but anti-communist for the sake of anti-communist sure as hell is.

499 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Sep 29, 2014 9:19:42am

re: #496 HappyWarrior

Yes, I have some distant relations that were in the Slovenian Home Guard. Others who were Partisans. There’s no doubt at all that the Nazis did take advantage of the culture of Anti-Semitism in Europe that goes back generations and despite what hacks like Horowitz and Jonah Goldberg believe was far from left wing.

There was a big stink in Poland about an incident in Jedwabne, in which the Polish peasants themselves locked the local Jews in a barn and immolated them alive while the German occupiers simply looked on. It does not at all fit in with the Poles’ self-image as victims.

500 RealityBasedSteve  Sep 29, 2014 9:21:57am

One thing that I haven’t seen as a contra-history is what if Hitler hadn’t gone into Europe, but instead looked east and made his first initial advance against Russia. What would be the response be? Tacit acceptance? I don’t see where the rest of Europe and the US jumping to Stalin’s aid would be on the table, and I have a hard time imagining them marching against Germany from the west. I know that the mutual pact between Japan and Germany makes it a non-player, but Germany could have negated or ignored that.

Just a curious thought on my part.

501 lawhawk  Sep 29, 2014 9:22:07am

Veterans targeted by predatory lenders. Veterans have more money and credit issues. They have more trouble finding jobs.

So, all these nonsensical right wing talking points about job creators, minimum wage, and lack of experience are blown to smithereens by the simple fact that these veterans have gotten highly technical training, and yet they can’t get jobs, and the so called capitalists are treating them like chum in the water.

502 Pie-onist Overlord  Sep 29, 2014 9:23:20am

And here is the #1 Reason that wingnuts love to Tweet about the Holocaust:

So they can co-opt themselves as the victime, instead of the Jews.

503 HappyWarrior  Sep 29, 2014 9:23:40am

re: #499 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

There was a big stink in Poland about an incident in Jedwabne, in which the Polish peasants themselves locked the local Jews in a barn and immolated them alive while the German occupiers simply looked on. It does not at all fit in with the Poles’ self-image as victims.

Yes, I read a book about that when I took a class on Eastern European nationalism. I think it’s called Neighbors or something like that. Anyhow, it shows you how ingrained Anti-Semitism was in many of these countries. The Nazis did not invent modern European Anti-Semitism, they just took it to its worst possible conclusion.

504 De Kolta Chair  Sep 29, 2014 9:23:49am

“Who needs popcorn when there’s bourbon, amirite mom?”

505 The Ghost of a Flea  Sep 29, 2014 9:24:17am

Why that particular meme pisses me off more than any other:

1. It ignores that Jewish partisans did fight, and organize escapes. But there was never any kind of amassed force that could have “stopped” the Nazis in any meaningful sense.

2. It ignores that the Holocaust killed a lot of old people, children, and sick people, because it threw out the most basic rules of war at the time. The Germans were conducting a different kind of “total war” than the rest of the Allies. Even in the surrendered, fully captured countries, all Jews were treated as targets, as opposed to given the conditional protections built into a surrender.

3. It ignores the Holocaust beyond the central image of deportation to concentration camps. This is crap for two reasons: one, a vast chunk of casualties were the product of in field executions by Waffen SS units. There’s a further segment of deaths attributable to pogroms overseen, but not performed, by the Nazis, as in the Baltic States.

4. It ignores the complicity of government and civilians in the capture and transport of European Jews.

506 Pie-onist Overlord  Sep 29, 2014 9:25:40am

re: #501 lawhawk

Veterans targeted by predatory lenders. Veterans have more money and credit issues. They have more trouble finding jobs.

So, all these nonsensical right wing talking points about job creators, minimum wage, and lack of experience are blown to smithereens by the simple fact that these veterans have gotten highly technical training, and yet they can’t get jobs, and the so called capitalists are treating them like chum in the water.

Wingnuts only care about veterans when they can use them to pay-shame low-wage workers.

507 HappyWarrior  Sep 29, 2014 9:26:06am

re: #502 Pie-onist Overlord

And here is the #1 Reason that wingnuts love to Tweet about the Holocaust:

So they can co-opt themselves as the victime, instead of the Jews.

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Peter’s not even like a non-Jewish dissident in Nazi Germany. He’s just a pathetic anti-gay bigot who doesn’t like people calling him out for the pathetic bigot he is and by the way Petey, your views on gays………….they have more in common with the Nazis and than ours do. So, no you’re not like a Jew in Nazi Germany at all, and in fact your own actions and words show you’d be okay with what the Nazis did to gays.

508 HappyWarrior  Sep 29, 2014 9:26:55am

re: #504 De Kolta Chair

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“Who needs popcorn when there’s bourbon, amirite mom?”

I have some Lexington.

510 Lidane  Sep 29, 2014 9:31:02am

La. Restaurateur Gives Discount to Gun Carriers: ‘I Just Need To See A Weapon’

A restaurant owner in Port Allen, La. has been awarding a 10 percent discount to gun-toting customers in recent weeks.

“I just need to see a weapon. I need you to be carrying a gun,” Kevin Cox, the owner of Bergeron’s Restaurant, told local TV station WVLA on Thursday. “And as long as everybody has a gun we’re all the same size.”

Cox told the news station that he originally implemented the discount to thank law enforcement officers and later applied it to all customers who carried a gun into Bergeron’s Restaurant.

“I keep hearing so much about people banning guns,” he told WVLA. “Target’s banning guns and these people are banning guns. Don’t they realize that that’s where people with guns are going to go? I want to take the opposite approach. How can I make my place safer?”

Cox estimated that he gives out 15 to 20 discounts each day.

511 HappyWarrior  Sep 29, 2014 9:31:07am

re: #506 Pie-onist Overlord

Wingnuts only care about veterans when they can use them to pay-shame low-wage workers.

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What’s pathetic about those memes is many of those “lazy moochers” are veterans. It’s like when they scorn homeless people. Well alot of the homeless are veterans and like yourself I think it’s downright pathetic that their first response to soldiers being paid poorly is to scorn people who get paid shitty too instead of thinking “Gee maybe we should pay our soldiers more.” But they don’t because they’re greedy dickheads.

512 Targetpractice  Sep 29, 2014 9:32:06am

re: #500 RealityBasedSteve

One thing that I haven’t seen as a contra-history is what if Hitler hadn’t gone into Europe, but instead looked east and made his first initial advance against Russia. What would be the response be? Tacit acceptance? I don’t see where the rest of Europe and the US jumping to Stalin’s aid would be on the table, and I have a hard time imagining them marching against Germany from the west. I know that the mutual pact between Japan and Germany makes it a non-player, but Germany could have negated or ignored that.

Just a curious thought on my part.

Problem with such a scenario is that any war between the Reich and the Soviets would have gone through Poland. So they would have either had to negotiate a peace or partnership with Poland, or would have had to convince the Brits and French that their invasion and occupation of Poland was for the purposes of attacking the Soviets. Any such dealings would have given Stalin time to prepare.

513 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Sep 29, 2014 9:32:25am

re: #511 HappyWarrior

What’s pathetic about those memes is many of those “lazy moochers” are veterans. It’s like when they scorn homeless people. Well alot of the homeless are veterans and like yourself I think it’s downright pathetic that their first response to soldiers being paid poorly is to scorn people who get paid shitty too instead of thinking “Gee maybe we should pay our soldiers more.” But they don’t because they’re greedy dickheads.

They could have earned a lot more as mercenaries. It’s their own fault for selling themselves short of market value.

/

514 HappyWarrior  Sep 29, 2014 9:32:53am

re: #509 WhatEVs

John Oliver Demands to Know How Ayn Rand Is ‘Still a Thing’

Sweet. Need to show this to my brother who loves John Oliver. This is brilliant by the way.

515 The Ghost of a Flea  Sep 29, 2014 9:34:05am

re: #482 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Remember those evil Belgian civilians firing on German soldiers who were just peacefully marching through in September, 1914…

Currently reading Max Hasting’s Catastrophe: 1914, which is interesting because it gives more emphasis to (1) Western Front action prior to Mons and (2) The Eastern Front.

Paranoia about franc-tireurs is an ongoing element, hand in hand with discussion of German war crimes. But on the Eastern Front, both the Russian and German/Austrian panic about behind-the-lines civilian enemies took on anti-semitic dimensions. The Russian march to war included a process of attacking and robbing Jews inside Russian borders, just because.

516 Feline Fearless Leader  Sep 29, 2014 9:34:14am

re: #500 RealityBasedSteve

One thing that I haven’t seen as a contra-history is what if Hitler hadn’t gone into Europe, but instead looked east and made his first initial advance against Russia. What would be the response be? Tacit acceptance? I don’t see where the rest of Europe and the US jumping to Stalin’s aid would be on the table, and I have a hard time imagining them marching against Germany from the west. I know that the mutual pact between Japan and Germany makes it a non-player, but Germany could have negated or ignored that.

Just a curious thought on my part.

You mean Hitler skipping over absorbing Austria, Czechoslovakia, and going straight to Poland and on into Russia in 1938-39?

Possibly a different reaction in the West, but probably getting his ass kicked by the Russians sooner, or a major defeat and then possibly being couped by the German General Staff.*

* - Though I do take the various “we opposed Hitler!” claims by the surviving generals with a big grain of salt. Their conspiracies seemed quite amateurish and mere pipe dreams for the most part in terms of serious planning and thinking things through.

517 CuriousLurker  Sep 29, 2014 9:34:27am

re: #472 wrenchwench

Oooh, it has a happy ending:

I was reading Williamson’s exchange with Charles last night and wondering about the claim that a fertilized egg is no longer an egg. So then it’s what, exactly? A person? If a chicken egg is fertilized does it immediately become a chicken instead of an egg?

Let’s say a farmer has insurance on his hen house and all its contents, and a critter gets in and eats a dozen eggs. Does that mean the farmer can file a claim for the loss of a dozen (viable) chickens?

The “logic” makes my brain hurt…

518 WhatEVs  Sep 29, 2014 9:35:41am
519 Schadenboner  Sep 29, 2014 9:36:01am

hadenre: #510 Lidane

“And as long as everybody has a gun we’re all the same size.”

Subtext becoming text again, I see…

520 WhatEVs  Sep 29, 2014 9:36:40am

re: #517 CuriousLurker

I was reading Williamson’s exchange with Charles last night and wondering about the claim that a fertilized egg is no longer an egg. So then it’s what, exactly? A person? If a chicken egg is fertilized does it immediately become a chicken instead of an egg?

Let’s say a farmer has insurance on his hen house and all its contents, and a critter gets in and eats a dozen eggs. Does that mean the farmer can file a claim for the loss of a dozen (viable) chickens?

The “logic” makes my brain hurt…

Trying to apply logic to RWNJ world-views always makes a brain hurt.

521 Targetpractice  Sep 29, 2014 9:38:41am

re: #516 Feline Fearless Leader

You mean Hitler skipping over absorbing Austria, Czechoslovakia, and going straight to Poland and on into Russia in 1938-39?

Possibly a different reaction in the West, but probably getting his ass kicked by the Russians sooner, or a major defeat and then possibly being couped by the German General Staff.*

* - Though I do take the various “we opposed Hitler!” claims by the surviving generals with a big grain of salt. Their conspiracies seemed quite amateurish and mere pipe dreams for the most part in terms of serious planning and thinking things through.

Czechoslovakia in particular was a must for any scenario of a powerful Reich, or rather its arms design and manufacturing facilities were. Skoda Works played a big part in the rearmament of the Wehrmacht between ‘38 and ‘40.

522 HappyWarrior  Sep 29, 2014 9:39:41am

I wonder how US involvement changes if Hitler doesn’t foolishly declare war on the US.

523 Bulworth  Sep 29, 2014 9:42:20am

re:
#502

Anti-gay activist Peter LaBarbera thinks he is just like a Jew living in Nazi Germany

Nurse, patient LaBarbera is out of his room again….

524 Eventual Carrion  Sep 29, 2014 9:42:22am

re: #455 HappyWarrior

It took me no joke a half hour to fill out an application for LIDS. Then I called the manager and he said that he’d be making decisions by Sunday. Really anyone who believes in the old myth of plucky little so and so wearing his best dress shirt and tie going up to the manager and just asking for a job lives in a delusional world. The same world where tax cuts for the wealthy benefit everyone.

In many small towns, if you are white and can drop the correct names it can be that easy. But as someone else mentioned, if a big franchise or corp then all bets are off.

525 Eventual Carrion  Sep 29, 2014 9:43:40am

re: #461 Varek Raith

Seriously.
The Nazis steam rolled over many a European power.
What’s some bloke with a gun?

Dead.

526 sagehen  Sep 29, 2014 9:43:45am

re: #493 HappyWarrior

That’s a scary thought. Makes me glad Attlee beat Churchill and that Eisenhower not Patton was in charge of Allied Forces.

I’ve heard a theory that half the reason Truman dropped the nukes, aside from getter a quicker surrender from Japan than a conventional invasion would have… was to scare the hell out of Stalin.

527 Targetpractice  Sep 29, 2014 9:44:02am

re: #522 HappyWarrior

I wonder how US involvement changes if Hitler doesn’t foolishly declare war on the US.

Lend-Lease would have continued, as well as American volunteers fighting on the European front. Roosevelt might have eventually convinced the American people of the need to make war in Europe, but it would not have been for a few years, possibly not until after the Japanese had surrendered.

528 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 29, 2014 9:44:46am

Woke up this morning to a system-wide internet outage here in the backwoods, so my plans for researching for the promised page on the history of legal/illegal abortion have been seriously delayed.
Working on it now (and checking leads left for me downstairs, thanks all).

529 Bulworth  Sep 29, 2014 9:45:46am

re:
#502

Anti-gay activist Peter LaBarbera thinks he is just like a Jew living in Nazi Germany

So, Mr. LaBarbera, how long have you been having these dreams?

530 Targetpractice  Sep 29, 2014 9:47:00am

re: #526 sagehen

I’ve heard a theory that half the reason Truman dropped the nukes, aside from getter a quicker surrender from Japan than a conventional invasion would have… was to scare the hell out of Stalin.

Had more to do with wanting to end the war before the Soviets, who’d just declared war against the Japanese as per Potsdam, managed to gain a foothold on the Home Islands. Not that setting off the bomb would have done much to scare Stalin, as the Manhattan Project was so riddled with KGB spies that he already knew about the bomb and was working on his own.

531 dog philosopher  Sep 29, 2014 9:48:34am

what’s purple and conquered the world?

alexander the grape!

am i on topic?

532 Pie-onist Overlord  Sep 29, 2014 9:51:00am

Make up your minds, wingnuts, which is it? Is POTUS a “pussy” or a “tyrant”?

533 HappyWarrior  Sep 29, 2014 9:51:07am

re: #527 Targetpractice

Lend-Lease would have continued, as well as American volunteers fighting on the European front. Roosevelt might have eventually convinced the American people of the need to make war in Europe, but it would not have been for a few years, possibly not until after the Japanese had surrendered.

Sounds right.

534 Lidane  Sep 29, 2014 9:51:53am

re: #502 Pie-onist Overlord

RWNJs love comparing themselves to victims of genocide. Case in point:

Robert Oscar Lopez: LGBT Advocates Are Like Pol Pot And Are ‘After Your Kids, Plain and Simple’

According to some historians of the so-called killing fields, in the 1970s, the Khmer Rouge hunted down people with eyeglasses and killed them en masse. They did this ostensibly because they worried that people who were too intelligent might challenge the draconian policies of the government. Fortunately, the Human Rights Campaign has no killing fields, so I and my contact lenses are safe for now. God grant that the awakening of reason come earlier rather than later.

535 Pie-onist Overlord  Sep 29, 2014 9:52:33am

You realize the election was 2 years ago & Obama won. This year’s election won’t “vote him out”

536 The Ghost of a Flea  Sep 29, 2014 9:52:59am

re: #516 Feline Fearless Leader

* - Though I do take the various “we opposed Hitler!” claims by the surviving generals with a big grain of salt. Their conspiracies seemed quite amateurish and mere pipe dreams for the most part in terms of serious planning and thinking things through.

My current audiobook (nearly done!) is Operation Paperclip.

While it focuses more on the scientists, one of the subjects it necessarily has to elaborate on is the degree of fabulism in post-War accounts by ex-Nazis. Everybody was secretly opposed to Hitler.

The stories about the war criminal scientists re-inventing themselves “neutral men of science” are jaw-droppingly horrible, and so deeply offensive in their hollowness and triteness. But it wasn’t just the scientists, lots of Nazi top brass suddenly realized all along they didn’t hate the Jews, they were just so afraid of the Communists. And so we let them act as anti-Communist operatives in post-War Europe.

It’s a very good book, but if you’re like me, you’ll swear. A lot.

(I do audiobooks while mowing. So I’m swooping about on a zero-turn, periodically exclaiming That Motherfucker! over the drone.)

537 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Sep 29, 2014 9:53:04am

Wow Netanyahu just praised Obama for leading the diplomatic effort that lead to Syria giving up chem weapons.

538 HappyWarrior  Sep 29, 2014 9:53:49am

re: #534 Lidane

RWNJs love comparing themselves to victims of genocide. Case in point:

Robert Oscar Lopez: LGBT Advocates Are Like Pol Pot And Are ‘After Your Kids, Plain and Simple’

Fuck these bigots seriously. Fuck them for co-opting people who were really oppressed with the fact that they don’t want to live in a modern society that treats gay people like human beings with rights. And no asshole, it’s not because you’re a “Christian”, it’s because you’re a pathetic bigot who thinks a gay person having the right to marry their partner is the same as mass murder. Fucking bigots.

539 lawhawk  Sep 29, 2014 9:54:42am

re: #535 Pie-onist Overlord

That could be, or they think that if they win the House and Senate with enough seats, they could impeach and remove him from office, leaving VP Biden as president, which is something they probably can’t comprehend, let alone recognize.

540 Eventual Carrion  Sep 29, 2014 9:54:58am

re: #500 RealityBasedSteve

One thing that I haven’t seen as a contra-history is what if Hitler hadn’t gone into Europe, but instead looked east and made his first initial advance against Russia. What would be the response be? Tacit acceptance? I don’t see where the rest of Europe and the US jumping to Stalin’s aid would be on the table, and I have a hard time imagining them marching against Germany from the west. I know that the mutual pact between Japan and Germany makes it a non-player, but Germany could have negated or ignored that.

Just a curious thought on my part.

Well it did take how many years after Hitler started his shit before Japan forced us to get involved. Contrary to what too many power that were in the US wanted (was a lot of money was to be made by staying neutral).

541 HappyWarrior  Sep 29, 2014 9:55:39am

re: #535 Pie-onist Overlord

You realize the election was 2 years ago & Obama won. This year’s election won’t “vote him out”

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Reminds me of FDR Interior Secretary’s response when Thomas Dewey pledged to fire him if elected. “I will step aside if you are elected but I will remind you that it is customary for cabinet officers of the previous president to resign along with their president.”

542 Schadenboner  Sep 29, 2014 9:56:05am

re: #537 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

Wow Netanyahu just praised Obama for leading the diplomatic effort that lead to Syria giving up chem weapons.

Who knew Bibi even bothered atoning for the new year?

Looking forward to the deafening silence with which the RWNJs/GUFIs will greet this with.

543 HappyWarrior  Sep 29, 2014 9:56:37am

They had their chance to beat Obama two years ago and they put out a real life version of Marlamand from Animal House.

544 Targetpractice  Sep 29, 2014 9:58:59am

re: #536 The Ghost of a Flea

My current audiobook (nearly done!) is Operation Paperclip.

While it focuses more on the scientists, one of the subjects it necessarily has to elaborate on is the degree of fabulism in post-War accounts by ex-Nazis. Everybody was secretly opposed to Hitler.

The stories about the war criminal scientists re-inventing themselves “neutral men of science” are jaw-droppingly horrible, and so deeply offensive in their hollowness and triteness. But it wasn’t just the scientists, lots of Nazi top brass suddenly realized all along they didn’t hate the just, they were just so afraid of the Communists. And so we let them act as anti-Communist operatives in post-War Europe.

It’s a very good book, but if you’re like me, you’ll swear. A lot.

(I do audiobooks while mowing. So I’m swooping about on a zero-turn, periodically exclaiming That Motherfucker! over the drone.)

I don’t want to downplay the matter, but it wasn’t much better on the other side of the Iron Curtain. Yeah, Stalin didn’t really give the German scientists and engineers much choice in the matter, but those living under Soviet rule were still told that all their crimes were Hitler’s fault. Where as those living in the West had been raised to bear the burden of their father’s and grandfather’s shame, Stalin and his successors kept up the “Good German” bit for generations after.

545 wrenchwench  Sep 29, 2014 9:59:15am

re: #517 CuriousLurker

I was reading Williamson’s exchange with Charles last night and wondering about the claim that a fertilized egg is no longer an egg. So then it’s what, exactly? A person? If a chicken egg is fertilized does it immediately become a chicken instead of an egg?

Let’s say a farmer has insurance on his hen house and all its contents, and a critter gets in and eats a dozen eggs. Does that mean the farmer can file a claim for the loss of a dozen (viable) chickens?

The “logic” makes my brain hurt…

And if a fertilized egg is a ‘person’, and 75% of ‘em are menstruated out, why— how can anyone go on in such an awful world? How can women just have periods so casually, and not constantly be in mourning and turning themselves in to the police and stuff?

546 RealityBasedSteve  Sep 29, 2014 10:00:06am

re: #535 Pie-onist Overlord

You realize the election was 2 years ago & Obama won. This year’s election won’t “vote him out”

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Sure it will…. Then the house will start the Impeachment process, pass it over to the now Republican controlled Senate, and Easy Peasy Lemon Squeezie, Obama is packing his bags. //////

RBS
Didn’t see that Lawhawk beat me to the punch. Doesn’t he have work to do or something?

547 HappyWarrior  Sep 29, 2014 10:01:25am

Just imagine their disappointment when Obama is still president this January. Anyhow, I think they’re in for a nasty surprise. They’ll keep the House but the Senate will prove elusive once again since they keep on nominating nutbags.

548 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Sep 29, 2014 10:02:03am

re: #527 Targetpractice

Lend-Lease would have continued, as well as American volunteers fighting on the European front. Roosevelt might have eventually convinced the American people of the need to make war in Europe, but it would not have been for a few years, possibly not until after the Japanese had surrendered.

The US Navy was already defending the Western Atlantic against U-boats and they had already sunk a US destroyer by mistake. Would not have taken much to come up with a casus belli under circumstances like that

549 Eventual Carrion  Sep 29, 2014 10:02:05am

re: #510 Lidane

La. Restaurateur Gives Discount to Gun Carriers: ‘I Just Need To See A Weapon’

[snip]

“I just need to see a weapon. I need you to be carrying a gun,” Kevin Cox, the owner of Bergeron’s Restaurant, told local TV station WVLA on Thursday. “And as long as everybody has a gun we’re all the same size.

[snip]

Paging Dr. Freud, paging Dr. Freud.

550 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Sep 29, 2014 10:04:06am

Ok, here we go, Natanyahu is saying criticism of Israel is just anti-semitism. I have to tune that shit out. I believe Israel has the right to exist but that doesn’t mean they are free from criticism.

551 Romantic Heretic  Sep 29, 2014 10:04:38am

re: #396 Justanotherhuman

they’re not interested in what you did 21 yrs ago, either, or what you do on a volunteer basis, or even how much education you have, only if you can “follow orders”.

This is where I always fall down. I’m really not good at following orders. Requests and directions I’m okay at.

But following orders, that is doing something unnecessary to the job and inflating of the ego of the person giving the order, not good at all.

552 HappyWarrior  Sep 29, 2014 10:05:31am

re: #550 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

Ok, here we go, Natanyahu is saying criticism of Israel is just anti-semitism. I have to tune that shit out. I believe Israel has the right to exist but that doesn’t mean they are free from criticism.

Indeed. Agree with this strongly and Natanyahu doesn’t help at all when he pals around with people like Beck, Hagee, and others who really aren’t actually supporters of Israel at all but rather people with a sick doomsday fantasy.

553 lawhawk  Sep 29, 2014 10:05:33am

DOJ letters aren’t enough. FPD regulations weren’t enough. The FPD keeps flouting their own rules and regulations, let alone the DOJ letters requiring that all officers have IDs showing at all time on duty.

This is not only reckless disregard for the law, but shows just how lawless this organization is. Ferguson deserves better, and that includes everyone from the mayor to the city council (which includes a former disgraced FPD officer who was involved in another excessive force incident), to the police chief and the officers of the Department itself.

And if you scratch deeper, you’d probably find the same problems with other STL area police departments, including the county police.

A house cleaning will not be sufficient. The rot and stink is too far entrenched for a hodgepodge firing of a couple of officials.

And that also means that Ferguson residents (and those elsewhere in the STL area) have to vote - and vote in every election to see all these folks gone. Antoine French has a big job ahead of him, but he cant’ do the lifting alone. It takes time, a GOTV effort, and sustained efforts beyond just this election cycle.

554 Lidane  Sep 29, 2014 10:06:24am

re: #545 wrenchwench

And if a fertilized egg is a ‘person’, and 75% of ‘em are menstruated out, why— how can anyone go on in such an awful world? How can women just have periods so casually, and not constantly be in mourning and turning themselves in to the police and stuff?

If a fertilized egg is a person, what are they going to do? Routinely give every woman a pregnancy test and lock her up for nine months to force her to give birth if she is?

555 Higgs Boson's Mate  Sep 29, 2014 10:08:39am

re: #535 Pie-onist Overlord

You realize the election was 2 years ago & Obama won. This year’s election won’t “vote him out”

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Ah, the RWNJs: waiting at the airport for their ship to come in.

556 Pie-onist Overlord  Sep 29, 2014 10:09:37am

WTFITS

557 Romantic Heretic  Sep 29, 2014 10:09:58am

re: #415 Charles Johnson

Mr. Yiannopolis is also an expert business analyst.

Big /

558 Pie-onist Overlord  Sep 29, 2014 10:10:27am

Ucccch that thing is so block & muted

559 jaunte  Sep 29, 2014 10:13:46am

re: #556 Pie-onist Overlord

Golub is a Breitbart contributor and conservative “comedian”
huffingtonpost.com

560 Eventual Carrion  Sep 29, 2014 10:13:58am

re: #556 Pie-onist Overlord

WTFITS

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The Jesus tattoo was probably what gave him away.

561 HappyWarrior  Sep 29, 2014 10:14:02am

So everyone who saw South Park on Wednesday? Thoughts? Thought it was pretty good. Cannot believe some guy got over 50K for a potato salad.

562 HappyWarrior  Sep 29, 2014 10:14:34am

re: #559 jaunte

Golub is a Breitbart contributor and conservative “comedian”
huffingtonpost.com

Conservatives just shouldn’t do comedy. Being a dick isn’t humor.

563 CuriousLurker  Sep 29, 2014 10:16:27am

re: #550 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

Ok, here we go, Natanyahu is saying criticism of Israel is just anti-semitism. I have to tune that shit out. I believe Israel has the right to exist but that doesn’t mean they are free from criticism.

People abuse the term antisemitism when they use it to shut down criticism of Israel. Antisemitism is a very real, ugly, and dangerous thing. Yes, sometimes criticism of Israel is antisemitic, but not as often as it gets labeled as such, IMO.

The same is true for Islamophobia—it’s out there and it’s ugly & dangerous, but not every criticism of Muslims or Muslim-majority/Islamic countries constitutes Islamophobia (though there are Muslims who would have you think it does).

564 HappyWarrior  Sep 29, 2014 10:16:48am

On another note. The niece is crawling and sitting up right. She also watched her first Simpsons episode yesterday afternoon with me.

565 HappyWarrior  Sep 29, 2014 10:17:20am

re: #563 CuriousLurker

People abuse the term antisemitism when they use it to shut down criticism of Israel. Antisemitism is a very real, ugly, and dangerous thing. Yes, sometimes criticism of Israel is antisemitic, but not as often as it gets labeled as such, IMO.

The same is true for Islamophobia—it’s out there and it’s ugly & dangerous, but not every criticism of Muslims or Muslim-majority/Islamic countries constitutes Islamophobia (though there are Muslims who would have you think it does).

Beautifully said. Same thing about Christianity and really any religion.

566 Higgs Boson's Mate  Sep 29, 2014 10:18:51am

re: #562 HappyWarrior

Conservatives just shouldn’t do comedy. Being a dick isn’t humor.

Exhibit A: the hilarious comedy of Dennis Miller.

567 Romantic Heretic  Sep 29, 2014 10:19:09am

re: #462 HappyWarrior

As I recall a lot of Eastern European resistance groups stayed in business when the Soviets moved in. They, rightly, regarded Josef Dugashvili as no improvement over Adolph Shicklegruber.

The longest lived lasted a little over a decade𠉪nd changed nothing. They were armed too.

568 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Sep 29, 2014 10:20:09am

re: #563 CuriousLurker

People abuse the term antisemitism when they use it to shut down criticism of Israel. Antisemitism is a very real, ugly, and dangerous thing. Yes, sometimes criticism of Israel is antisemitic, but not as often as it gets labeled as such, IMO.

The same is true for Islamophobia—it’s out there and it’s ugly & dangerous, but not every criticism of Muslims or Muslim-majority/Islamic countries constitutes Islamophobia (though there are Muslims who would have you think it does).

I’m not saying it’s not real, I know it is. But the way Netanyahu used it was as a shield to try and deflect all criticism of what Israel does.

569 CuriousLurker  Sep 29, 2014 10:20:58am

re: #568 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

I’m not saying it’s not real, I know it is. But the way Netanyahu used it was as a shield to try and deflect all criticism of what Israel does.

Um, I was agreeing with you.

570 HappyWarrior  Sep 29, 2014 10:21:15am

re: #566 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Exhibit A: the hilarious comedy of Dennis Miller.

Right. Really conservatives don’t understand how satire works. Satire and Swift understood this- that it’s about poking fun at the powerful. Limbaugh who they claim is a “satirist” just calls a woman advocating for reasonable birth control a slut and they bawl with laughter and say “Libtard, you don’t understand satire” when you call out that hypocritical pig.

571 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Sep 29, 2014 10:21:25am

re: #569 CuriousLurker

Um, I was agreeing with you.

Sorry, read too quickly

572 HappyWarrior  Sep 29, 2014 10:21:48am

re: #567 Romantic Heretic

As I recall a lot of Eastern European resistance groups stayed in business when the Soviets moved in. They, rightly, regarded Josef Dugashvili as no improvement over Adolph Shicklegruber.

The longest lived lasted a little over a decade��nd changed nothing. They were armed too.

The AK in Poland comes to mind especially.

573 CuriousLurker  Sep 29, 2014 10:22:20am

re: #571 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

Sorry, read too quickly

NP, it happens.

574 Higgs Boson's Mate  Sep 29, 2014 10:22:29am

re: #567 Romantic Heretic

Yeah, but those guys couldn’t get a kill with every offhand shot. Having toted an M60A1 in close combat for a year I can assure you that no one else can do that either - outside of the movies.

575 Dr Lizardo  Sep 29, 2014 10:22:34am

re: #554 Lidane

If a fertilized egg is a person, what are they going to do? Routinely give every woman a pregnancy test and lock her up for nine months to force her to give birth if she is?

For most of us, The Handmaid’s Tale was a work of dystopian fiction.

For the wingnuts, it’s fapping material.

576 Lidane  Sep 29, 2014 10:23:29am

WTFITS:

Jesse Lee Peterson responds in WorldNetDaily today to an Oklahoma man’s beheading of a coworker — there are reports that the man had converted to Islam but no evidence at this point that the crime was connected to terrorism — by asking, “Why are blacks so susceptible to being radicalized?”

Peterson’s answer, of course, is single parenthood, “Marxist-influenced” teachers who “encourage their anger toward America by promoting the lie that their country is ‘racist,’” rap music, the Obama administration, and…black pastors who have “co-opted” the Black Church to “promote racism and are helping to keep blacks angry.”

577 NJDhockeyfan  Sep 29, 2014 10:24:28am
578 CuriousLurker  Sep 29, 2014 10:24:30am

re: #576 Lidane

Okay, that does it—time to dig back into work and ignore the derp. //

579 HappyWarrior  Sep 29, 2014 10:25:05am

re: #576 Lidane

WTFITS:

Gee were they so eager to analyze “white culture” when Timothy McVeigh killed 169 people. Fucking racist shitheads.

580 Kragar  Sep 29, 2014 10:25:08am

Oops, wrong one

581 Romantic Heretic  Sep 29, 2014 10:25:51am

re: #490 Targetpractice

Churchill and Patton both thought the best plan for the immediate post-war situation was to rearm the Wehrmacht, turn them East, and use them as the front ranks in a war with the Soviets.

And most of the Wehrmacht would have been, “As long as I can keep my PzKw V Ausf F, we’re cool.”

The Luftwaffe would have felt the same way about their FW 190s and Me262s.

582 HappyWarrior  Sep 29, 2014 10:26:48am

re: #580 Kragar

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And yet people who criticize this guy are like Hitler. Really what the fuck is wrong with these people? Who the fuck sees a disease like Ebola and thinks “Hey it could wipe out the US of sluts, atheists, and gays.” It could also wipe out Christian fundamentalist fuckwads like this whose mindset is very Nazisque but then again I don’t wish for a terrible pandemic even on my worst enemies and then call myself a “Christian.”

583 Targetpractice  Sep 29, 2014 10:27:11am

re: #577 NJDhockeyfan

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That’s the thing about war, it brings out the ingenuity in people. Don’t have tank? Build one out of scrap metal and whatever drive train you can find. Don’t have gun? Build one in your backyard shed.

584 sagehen  Sep 29, 2014 10:27:35am

re: #580 Kragar

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Ebola could cleanse the US of 40% of our population. The societal breakdown that ensues would cleanse the US of half of what’s left.

So I suppose the 70% “cleansed” would have to include some number of atheists, gay people and sluts….

585 Schadenboner  Sep 29, 2014 10:27:36am

re: #581 Romantic Heretic

And most of the Wehrmacht would have been, “As long as I can keep my PzKw V Ausf F, we’re cool.”

Exhibit A: The Bundeswehr.

586 De Kolta Chair  Sep 29, 2014 10:27:53am

re: #556 Pie-onist Overlord

A perfect example of why the internet should be given back to the scientists.

587 Eventual Carrion  Sep 29, 2014 10:28:16am

re: #576 Lidane

WTFITS:

Patty Hearst’s parents should have paid more attention to her.

588 HappyWarrior  Sep 29, 2014 10:28:41am

Funny how Christian fundamentalist zealots are all too eager to liken their critics to Nazis but don’t realize how much they actually sound like Nazis. Really what’s your first thought n a pandemic? If it’s anything like “It could wipe out groups of people I dislike”, then you need your fucking head examined.

589 Kragar  Sep 29, 2014 10:28:59am

re: #582 HappyWarrior

And yet people who criticize this guy are like Hitler. Really what the fuck is wrong with these people? Who the fuck sees a disease like Ebola and thinks “Hey it could wipe out the US of sluts, atheists, and gays.” It could also wipe out Christian fundamentalist fuckwads like this whose mindset is very Nazisque but then again I don’t wish for a terrible pandemic even on my worst enemies and then call myself a “Christian.”

Who thinks that? Morons who think the Bible is the literal truth.

(I realized that story was from 2 months ago, so I removed the link)

590 HappyWarrior  Sep 29, 2014 10:30:04am

re: #589 Kragar

Who thinks that? Morons who think the Bible is the literal truth.

(I realized that story was from 2 months ago, so I removed the link)

Biblical or really any religious literalism is such a dangerous thing. Seems to me through their words and actions that the Fundies only real problem with ISIS is their religion of choice. In other words if ISIS was doing what they’re doing in the name of Jesus, they’d be okay with it and that scares the crap out of me.

591 Kragar  Sep 29, 2014 10:30:47am

Looks like it generated some interest, so let me put it back

592 The Ghost of a Flea  Sep 29, 2014 10:31:12am

Ebola’s gonna smite all the slutty small children.

593 Pie-onist Overlord  Sep 29, 2014 10:31:20am

I’m just blocking & muting these idiots from now on.

594 Pie-onist Overlord  Sep 29, 2014 10:33:02am

Who is stupider, the gun-fuckers or the fair-taxers?
You could say the gun-fuckers are scarier because they can kill people, but fair-taxers can crash an economy & starve millions.

595 HappyWarrior  Sep 29, 2014 10:33:13am

re: #593 Pie-onist Overlord

I’m just blocking & muting these idiots from now on.

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Yeah I would give up with that one since you were clearly pointing out that armed civilians wouldn’t have stopped the Holocaust. Nowhere did you argue against the existence of the military.

596 HappyWarrior  Sep 29, 2014 10:33:45am

re: #594 Pie-onist Overlord

Who is stupider, the gun-fuckers or the fair-taxers?
You could say the gun-fuckers are scarier because they can kill people, but fair-taxers can crash an economy & starve millions.

Depends on how I feel. They both love deluding themselves though about basic reality though so it’s a push.

597 Dr Lizardo  Sep 29, 2014 10:34:54am

re: #593 Pie-onist Overlord

I’m just blocking & muting these idiots from now on.

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Stopping the Third Reich was no easy affair, and it was certainly far more the wingnut’s GI Joe fantasies. The German Wehrmacht was the most powerful military juggernaut the world had ever seen up to that point in history, and they looked pretty much damned near unstoppable. When Operation Barbarossa began, the US Joint Chiefs of Staff confidently predicted the collapse of the USSR “within a matter of weeks”.

598 Feline Fearless Leader  Sep 29, 2014 10:34:58am

re: #594 Pie-onist Overlord

Who is stupider, the gun-fuckers or the fair-taxers?
You could say the gun-fuckers are scarier because they can kill people, but fair-taxers can crash an economy & starve millions.

What’s the overlap between the two groups?

599 jaunte  Sep 29, 2014 10:35:00am

re: #593 Pie-onist Overlord

They go on and on about the “pointy end of the spear” but forget completely about food, fuel, transport, all the boring logistics that wins wars.

600 De Kolta Chair  Sep 29, 2014 10:35:04am

601 Pie-onist Overlord  Sep 29, 2014 10:35:34am

re: #595 HappyWarrior

Yeah I would give up with that one since you were clearly pointing out that armed civilians wouldn’t have stopped the Holocaust. Nowhere did you argue against the existence of the military.

The combined armies of the Allies & the Soviets had more than a bunch of guns. They had aircraft, naval ships, conventional bombs, nukes…

602 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Sep 29, 2014 10:35:54am

re: #587 Eventual Carrion

Patty Hearst’s parents should have paid more attention to her.

So let us accept it as given that

a) black children get no moral guidance from mothers or other family members, even if father is often absent

b) schools are hotbeds of Marxism, atheism and secularism

c) black churches have been co-opted by racists and radicals

I guess there is no hope, start spreading the Ebola aerosol over the inner cities

/

603 wrenchwench  Sep 29, 2014 10:36:38am

Time for a refill.

604 HappyWarrior  Sep 29, 2014 10:36:51am

re: #601 Pie-onist Overlord

The combined armies of the Allies & the Soviets had more than a bunch of guns. They had aircraft, naval ships, conventional bombs, nukes…

Exactly. They had things that your average civilian wouldn’t have. Such a stupid argument but what do you really expect? They think it only takes a “good guy with a gun.” They live in fantasyland where taxing everyone the exact same amount is “fair.”

605 Pie-onist Overlord  Sep 29, 2014 10:37:45am

re: #604 HappyWarrior

Exactly. They had things that your average civilian wouldn’t have. Such a stupid argument but what do you really expect? They think it only takes a “good guy with a gun.” They live in fantasyland where taxing everyone the exact same amount is “fair.”

Oh shitfire, the stalkers have arrived.

Block/Mute/Block/Mute/Block/Mute

606 Kragar  Sep 29, 2014 10:37:47am

re: #601 Pie-onist Overlord

The combined armies of the Allies & the Soviets had more than a bunch of guns. They had aircraft, naval ships, conventional bombs, nukes…

A crap load of Russians with commissars pushing them into the German guns…

607 Targetpractice  Sep 29, 2014 10:42:09am

re: #606 Kragar

A crap load of Russians with commissars pushing them into the German guns…

Yeah, the Soviet approach to warfare: Keep the soldiers more afraid of what was behind them than what was in front of them.

608 Kragar  Sep 29, 2014 10:43:16am

re: #607 Targetpractice

Yeah, the Soviet approach to warfare: Keep the soldiers more afraid of what was behind them than what was in front of them.

” In the Soviet army it takes more courage to retreat than advance.”
- Joseph Stalin

609 Kragar  Sep 29, 2014 10:44:50am
610 Targetpractice  Sep 29, 2014 10:45:02am

re: #608 Kragar

” In the Soviet army it takes more courage to retreat than advance.”
- Joseph Stalin

How do we keep the men from retreating? Simple: Line up machine guns behind them and shoot any who turn back.

611 Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 29, 2014 10:45:22am

re: #607 Targetpractice

Yeah, the Soviet approach to warfare: Keep the soldiers more afraid of what was behind them than what was in front of them.

To be fair, that was how armies worked for a long time before that. If you kept marching forward, you’d PROBABLY die. If you turned and ran, you’d DEFINITELY die.

612 lostlakehiker  Sep 29, 2014 10:47:03am

re: #590 HappyWarrior

Biblical or really any religious literalism is such a dangerous thing. Seems to me through their words and actions that the Fundies only real problem with ISIS is their religion of choice. In other words if ISIS was doing what they’re doing in the name of Jesus, they’d be okay with it and that scares the crap out of me.

Biblical literalists really do believe that stuff about Thou Shalt Not Kill. Fundies are not OK with crucifying children, mass executions of POWs, etc. etc. even if it were done for the cause of advancing the One True Faith.

613 RealityBasedSteve  Sep 29, 2014 10:48:14am

re: #601 Pie-onist Overlord

The combined armies of the Allies & the Soviets had more than a bunch of guns. They had aircraft, naval ships, conventional bombs, nukes…

Logistical chains, intelligence analysis, formalized tactics and strategy, all that boring stuff that makes a military force effective. Red Dawn was a movie, not a doctrine.

RBS

614 Targetpractice  Sep 29, 2014 10:49:22am

re: #613 RealityBasedSteve

Logistical chains, intelligence analysis, formalized tactics and strategy, all that boring stuff that makes a military force effective. Red Dawn was a movie, not a doctrine.

RBS

And a piss-poor one at that. It never fails to amaze how many forget that Red Dawn ended with only two survivors of the original group, one of whom spent the rest of his life trying to forget what had happened.

615 Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 29, 2014 10:51:20am

re: #613 RealityBasedSteve

Logistical chains, intelligence analysis, formalized tactics and strategy, all that boring stuff that makes a military force effective. Red Dawn was a movie, not a doctrine.

RBS

Wait - you’re telling me a handful of kids with bolt action rifles can’t defeat trained soldiers with automatic weapons, tanks, APCs, infrared imaging, helicopter gunships, etc?

Why do you hate America?
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616 lostlakehiker  Sep 29, 2014 10:53:58am

re: #553 lawhawk

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DOJ letters aren’t enough. FPD regulations weren’t enough. The FPD keeps flouting their own rules and regulations, let alone the DOJ letters requiring that all officers have IDs showing at all time on duty.

This is not only reckless disregard for the law, but shows just how lawless this organization is. Ferguson deserves better, and that includes everyone from the mayor to the city council (which includes a former disgraced FPD officer who was involved in another excessive force incident), to the police chief and the officers of the Department itself.

And if you scratch deeper, you’d probably find the same problems with other STL area police departments, including the county police.

A house cleaning will not be sufficient. The rot and stink is too far entrenched for a hodgepodge firing of a couple of officials.

And that also means that Ferguson residents (and those elsewhere in the STL area) have to vote - and vote in every election to see all these folks gone. Antoine French has a big job ahead of him, but he cant’ do the lifting alone. It takes time, a GOTV effort, and sustained efforts beyond just this election cycle.

First, this law requiring police to wear ID has to be enforced. DOJ has the means. It just needs the will.

Second, yeah, the black voters of Ferguson have long had it in their power to elect any government they wanted. Up til now, they were either happy with what they had, or just didn’t think it mattered. Now, neither obtains. Time to go vote.

617 Targetpractice  Sep 29, 2014 10:54:12am

Hell, what ultimately defeated the Reich was the smashing and dismantling of its supply chains and logistical support. What really defeated them in the end was simply not having the means to keep their men supplied with weapons, spare parts, and fuel.

618 CuriousLurker  Sep 29, 2014 10:56:42am

re: #612 lostlakehiker

Biblical literalists really do believe that stuff about Thou Shalt Not Kill. Fundies are not OK with crucifying children, mass executions of POWs, etc. etc. even if it were done for the cause of advancing the One True Faith.

The implication here seems to be that Qur’anic literalists and/or Muslim fundies are “OK with crucifying children, mass executions of POWs, etc. etc.”

Like the Bible, the Qur’an has some pretty harsh stuff in it, but there’s nothing in it to support those things—ISIS owns that shit.

619 FemNaziBitch  Sep 29, 2014 10:57:49am

How is it going?

620 HappyWarrior  Sep 29, 2014 11:00:07am

re: #612 lostlakehiker

Biblical literalists really do believe that stuff about Thou Shalt Not Kill. Fundies are not OK with crucifying children, mass executions of POWs, etc. etc. even if it were done for the cause of advancing the One True Faith.

Could have fooled me since we have a guy who actually wants Ebola to wipe out those he don’t like. Fundies of all kinds are hypocrites who use scripture to justify whatever they want. And considering that many fundies of all kinds are the strongest supporters of capital punishment out there, I don’t believe that they don’t believe in thou shall not kill.

621 lostlakehiker  Sep 29, 2014 11:01:41am

re: #540 Eventual Carrion

Well it did take how many years after Hitler started his shit before Japan forced us to get involved. Contrary to what too many power that were in the US wanted (was a lot of money was to be made by staying neutral).

If Hitler had moved against Russia without first putting France out of the enemy column and into his own piggy bank, the Germans would have lost a lot quicker. The English Channel made a pretty good water barrier for years, sparing the Germans the need to garrison the Siegfried line.

The ports of Lorient and Brest and St. Nazaire made the U-Boat war much tougher for the Allies. The farms of France fed the Jerries. The factories were retasked to the manufacture of munitions and war materiel. The horses of France were commandeered, and likewise the civilian motor fleet.

The war in France went very nicely for the Germans, with the result that the Brits lost a lot of troops and a lot of airplanes. The Battle of Britain didn’t go so well, but taken as a whole it was an excellent trade from the German POV.

And finally, in 1940, the German Army just hadn’t scaled up to where it needed to be for the Russian campaign. Its doctrine hadn’t matured either. The Germans of 1940 fielded Panzer divisions that were seriously misconfigured, with too many tanks and too little infantry. They got away with it against the French and Brits, but would not have against the Russians.

622 lostlakehiker  Sep 29, 2014 11:15:41am

re: #443 Justanotherhuman

The thing is, they just don’t care about the individual and your accomlishments. Every corp uses online apps now (and “tests”, too), and you have to keep going back, time after time, to the individual stores. I know people who have done it, currently, and sometimes, you just have to be there on a particular day when they really need the help.

I couldn’t believe what my grandson had to go through just to get a job at Burger King.

Gone are the days when you could just go in and make a good impression without all the rigmarole.

Wife and I came into town with about $100 in 1970 and went looking for jobs one morning. Agreed to meet for lunch to catch each other up. We’d both landed one: McDs and busboy, respectively.

623 Rightwingconspirator  Sep 29, 2014 2:25:30pm

re: #187 austin_blue

No that was just off the highway 215 near Hesperia

624 CriticalDragon1177  Sep 29, 2014 2:32:18pm

re: #563 CuriousLurker

People abuse the term antisemitism when they use it to shut down criticism of Israel. Antisemitism is a very real, ugly, and dangerous thing. Yes, sometimes criticism of Israel is antisemitic, but not as often as it gets labeled as such, IMO.

The same is true for Islamophobia—it’s out there and it’s ugly & dangerous, but not every criticism of Muslims or Muslim-majority/Islamic countries constitutes Islamophobia (though there are Muslims who would have you think it does).

I agree. Excellent response.

625 CriticalDragon1177  Sep 29, 2014 2:38:56pm

re: #535 Pie-onist Overlord


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