Pamela Geller’s Latest Anti-Muslim Ads Featuring Beheaded Journalist James Foley Are Pulled

Foley’s parents were disgusted and appalled
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The always disgusting hate group leader Pamela Geller has suffered a setback in her campaign to demonize all Muslims, as the family of James Foley (one of the journalists murdered by ISIS) strongly objects to Geller’s use of their son’s image in her ugly NYC subway advertisements, forcing her to pull those ads: Anti-Islamic Ads Depicting American Journalist James Foley Moments Before Death Pulled in NYC.

NEW YORK (CBSNewYork/AP) - A group running a series of anti-Islamic ads in New York City’s transit system is pulling an ad that shows James Foley with the masked militant who killed him.

The ad, which depicts Foley moments before he is beheaded, is being yanked after criticism from the American journalist’s family.

The ads are paid for by the American Freedom Defense Initiative run by anti-Islam blogger Pamela Geller, whose attorney said the Foley family was notified that the ads were being pulled.

Attorney David Yerushalmi said he wrote their lawyer that “Geller understands and feels intimately the pain” they are suffering.

And that of course, is a pathetically obvious lie; Geller fully intended to exploit the image of their son to spread her hateful agenda, and she obviously did not care about anyone’s pain or suffering. This is what Geller and her cronies do.

British tabloid The Daily Mail has more details:

In his letter, the lawyer asked on behalf of James Foley’s family to withdraw the ad and stop using it.

‘Having lived in and reported from communities in which nearly everyone as of Muslim faith, he had great respect for the religion and those who practiced it.

‘The advertisement you are preparing to run seems to convey the message that ordinary practitioners of Islam are a dangerous threat.

‘This message is entirely inconsistent with Mr Foley’s reporting and his beliefs.’

Mr Rowan concluded his letter by warning the organization that using James Foley’s image to draw funding and attention to the AFDI will cause his family ‘profound distress.’

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1 Bulworth  Sep 29, 2014 2:22:10pm

It’s hard out there being a hate group…

2 HappyWarrior  Sep 29, 2014 2:22:40pm

If she really felt the pain they were feeling and suffering, she wouldn’t have used their murdered son’s death photos to push an agenda. I am glad she backed off but she clearly doesn’t have any empathy for Foley’s family.

3 nines09  Sep 29, 2014 2:23:31pm

Pamela Geller is a ghoul.

4 Higgs Boson's Mate  Sep 29, 2014 2:26:13pm

This is the first time I’ve seen a picture of Pamela Geller. She looks like something that would snack on live white mice.

5 Targetpractice  Sep 29, 2014 2:26:37pm

re: #2 HappyWarrior

If she really felt the pain they were feeling and suffering, she wouldn’t have used their murdered son’s death photos to push an agenda. I am glad she backed off but she clearly doesn’t have any empathy for Foley’s family.

I imagine she only backed off because Foley’s death, as the recent casus belli for our invading Syria, means she’d bring too much negative publicity upon herself if she defied the family’s wishes or found herself subject to a lawsuit filed by them. Otherwise she probably would have flipped them off and kept the ads out there.

6 HappyWarrior  Sep 29, 2014 2:27:37pm

re: #5 Targetpractice

I imagine she only backed off because Foley’s death, as the recent casus belli for our invading Syria, means she’d bring too much negative publicity upon herself if she defied the family’s wishes or found herself subject to a lawsuit filed by them. Otherwise she probably would have flipped them off and kept the ads out there.

Oh I don’t doubt it in the slightest. This is not Pam having a rare moment of clarity.

7 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 29, 2014 2:29:54pm

Asian protest expert weighs in on Hong Kong…

8 wrenchwench  Sep 29, 2014 2:30:21pm

re: #4 Higgs Boson’s Mate

This is the first time I’ve seen a picture of Pamela Geller. She looks like something that would snack on live white mice.

I think the mice have been snacking on her, starting on the inside. Heart: Gone. Brain: Significantly reduced.

9 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 29, 2014 2:30:40pm

And Rand Paul should just fade away now…

10 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 29, 2014 2:31:20pm

re: #8 wrenchwench

I think the mice have been snacking on her, starting on the inside. Heart: Gone. Brain: Significantly reduced.

Really, I generally don’t like to comment on people’s looks, but she doesn’t even look human.

11 Targetpractice  Sep 29, 2014 2:31:21pm

re: #9 Backwoods_Sleuth

And Rand Paul should just fade away now…

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No worries, Johnson has vetted Cruz for President.

12 wrenchwench  Sep 29, 2014 2:31:40pm

re: #7 Backwoods_Sleuth

Asian protest expert weighs in on Hong Kong…

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Hong Kong, Indonesia. No difference, really.

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13 HappyWarrior  Sep 29, 2014 2:32:24pm

re: #9 Backwoods_Sleuth

And Rand Paul should just fade away now…

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Of course, Rand Paul isn’t good enough for Chucky since he has somewhat of a human side. Can’t wait to see what Cruz does to break Chucky’s achy breaky heart.

14 wrenchwench  Sep 29, 2014 2:33:45pm

re: #10 Backwoods_Sleuth

Really, I generally don’t like to comment on people’s looks, but she doesn’t even look human.

That’s why I went for the insides. That’s what counts. She’s MUCH uglier on the inside. She used to be better looking on the outside (didn’t we all…) but I really think the hate is showing through in her face.

15 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 29, 2014 2:36:33pm

heh…

16 jaunte  Sep 29, 2014 2:36:58pm

Think how stupid things are going to get by Friday if people are already proposing Allen West as Secret Service director.

“…In this role, a true leader, not a bureaucrat, is needed. Someone like Florida congressman and retired U.S. Army Lt. Col. Allen West would be perfect for the role. West has successfully demonstrated that he possesses the leadership skills of a combat officer as well as managerial and diplomatic skills of a congressman, exactly the traits needed in the next director. Highly competent and beholden to no one in the Secret Service, he would be a superb director.”
washingtonpost.com

17 CuriousLurker  Sep 29, 2014 2:37:00pm

re: #15 Backwoods_Sleuth

heh…

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LOL

18 HappyWarrior  Sep 29, 2014 2:37:21pm

What I find sad about Pam is as a Jewish woman she doesn’t seem to realize that the same tactics she and her allies use against Muslims are the same that were used against Jews throughout history. Really she’s just rewriting the old Anti-Semitic playbook that we saw in Russia at the turn of the 19th century but replacing Jew with Muslim. That’s her biggest tragedy. I don’t want to come off as if I am saying “She’s Jewish, she should know better” but really she is really engaging in some terrible shit.

19 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 29, 2014 2:38:24pm

re: #16 jaunte

Think how stupid things are going to get by Friday if people are already proposing Allen West as Secret Service director.

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West has successfully demonstrated that he possesses the leadership skills of a combat officer as well as managerial and diplomatic skills of a congressman, exactly the traits needed in the next director.

LOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!!!

20 RealityBasedSteve  Sep 29, 2014 2:38:29pm

re: #9 Backwoods_Sleuth

And Rand Paul should just fade away now…

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And when Rand doesn’t get the nomination, of course chuckie cheese will claim credit. He also protects us from roving bands of talking apes on horseback

21 CuriousLurker  Sep 29, 2014 2:38:31pm

re: #16 jaunte

Think how stupid things are going to get by Friday if people are already proposing Allen West as Secret Service director.

*facepalm*

22 Targetpractice  Sep 29, 2014 2:39:03pm

re: #16 jaunte

Think how stupid things are going to get by Friday if people are already proposing Allen West as Secret Service director.

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I don’t think I’ve been hit in the head nearly enough times for that to sound like a good idea.

23 HappyWarrior  Sep 29, 2014 2:39:44pm

First off, I doubt Allen West would even want that job, that guy would be furious at having to call President Obama boss. Secondly, yeah put a torturer in charge of the Secret Service. Maybe next we can put a horse racing commissioner in charge of FEMA. Oh wait, we did that? My bad.

24 CriticalDragon1177  Sep 29, 2014 2:42:04pm

Charles Johnson,

Good. I’m glad they were pulled.

25 RealityBasedSteve  Sep 29, 2014 2:42:19pm

re: #22 Targetpractice

I don’t think I’ve been hit in the head nearly enough times for that to sound like a good idea.

It would take an impact of 2.6 mega-gohmerts to reach that level. A substance resembling guacamole comes out your ears at a level of 1.7. Not recommended.

26 HappyWarrior  Sep 29, 2014 2:44:06pm

Actually, I would like Obama to nominate Allen West for a position. He can be the postmaster in Nome, Alaska.

27 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Sep 29, 2014 2:45:43pm

re: #18 HappyWarrior

The abused becomes the abuser.

28 freetoken  Sep 29, 2014 2:45:47pm

re: #16 jaunte

We’re still over 2 years from the 2016 Presidential elections and the full on flow of stupid trying to position candidates for the GOP nomination is already an overwhelming swell in our media outlets.

29 freetoken  Sep 29, 2014 2:47:12pm

There are 16 months until the Iowa caucuses and we’re going to be subjected to the beating drums of all the wanna-bes until then.

30 Lidane  Sep 29, 2014 2:48:02pm

re: #18 HappyWarrior

What I find sad about Pam is as a Jewish woman she doesn’t seem to realize that the same tactics she and her allies use against Muslims are the same that were used against Jews throughout history.

Oh, she knows. She just doesn’t care.

31 HappyWarrior  Sep 29, 2014 2:48:40pm

Best news about the 2016 primary? Mitt Romney apparently is leaning towards running again. Fun fact, Mitt Romney has never gotten over 50% of the vote in an election ever.

32 freetoken  Sep 29, 2014 2:49:10pm

re: #30 Lidane

Oh, she knows. She just doesn’t care.

There’s more than a little self-hate wrapped up in all this hate mongering.

It’s humans, being ugly.

33 RealityBasedSteve  Sep 29, 2014 2:49:25pm

re: #26 HappyWarrior

Actually, I would like Obama to nominate Allen West for a position. He can be the postmaster in Nome, Alaska.

I’d suggest point barrow, but that might be best held in reserve if needed

34 HappyWarrior  Sep 29, 2014 2:49:58pm

re: #33 RealityBasedSteve

I’d suggest point barrow, but that might be best held in reserve if needed

Heh that works too.

35 CuriousLurker  Sep 29, 2014 2:50:05pm

re: #18 HappyWarrior

What I find sad about Pam is as a Jewish woman she doesn’t seem to realize that the same tactics she and her allies use against Muslims are the same that were used against Jews throughout history. Really she’s just rewriting the old Anti-Semitic playbook that we saw in Russia at the turn of the 19th century but replacing Jew with Muslim. That’s her biggest tragedy. I don’t want to come off as if I am saying “She’s Jewish, she should know better” but really she is really engaging in some terrible shit.

She’s part of the problem not part of the solution—she just adds to the hatred, the same way bigoted, intolerant Muslim extremists do. Foley’s parents realized this and didn’t want their son’s image associated with it.

Kudos to them for that.

36 freetoken  Sep 29, 2014 2:50:08pm

re: #31 HappyWarrior

We’ve seen a Redeem-Mitt campaign ever since election night 2014. An intermittent stream of feel-good stories about him, how his loss wasn’t his fault, how he was right after all, etc.

37 RealityBasedSteve  Sep 29, 2014 2:51:39pm

re: #36 freetoken

We’ve seen a Redeem-Mitt campaign ever since election night 2014. An intermittent stream of feel-good stories about him, how his loss wasn’t his fault, how he was right after all, etc.

Didn’t thay say that about windows 8 also?

38 Pie-onist Overlord  Sep 29, 2014 2:51:53pm
39 HappyWarrior  Sep 29, 2014 2:52:30pm

re: #36 freetoken

We’ve seen a Redeem-Mitt campaign ever since election night 2014. An intermittent stream of feel-good stories about him, how his loss wasn’t his fault, how he was right after all, etc.

Yeah and Mitt is just narcissistic enough to think he can beat the odds. The guy quite frankly is one of the most least likable people I’ve ever seen seek high office. He really should do himself and his family a favor and realize that it’s not meant to be and enjoy his later years as a grandfather. I’m sure that’s something he’s actually decent at.

40 HappyWarrior  Sep 29, 2014 2:52:48pm

re: #37 RealityBasedSteve

Didn’t thay say that about windows 8 also?

Okay I laughed. Mean but true.

41 Pie-onist Overlord  Sep 29, 2014 2:53:13pm

Some idiot Tweeted back at me “Be careful there are a lot of [N word]s out there”

BLOCKED.

Why are people such stupid fuckers?

42 Targetpractice  Sep 29, 2014 2:56:07pm

re: #31 HappyWarrior

Best news about the 2016 primary? Mitt Romney apparently is leaning towards running again. Fun fact, Mitt Romney has never gotten over 50% of the vote in an election ever.

Seriously? Willard is thinking about running again?

I obviously need to start making more sacrifices to the Gods of Politics.

43 Higgs Boson's Mate  Sep 29, 2014 2:56:27pm

re: #16 jaunte

Yes! Allen West for Secret Service Director and Ferguson Police Chief Tom Jackson for Director of the FBI. And, let’s not foget dogged investigator Charles C. Johnson, he’s a slam dunk for Director of the CIA because he knows stuff.

44 HappyWarrior  Sep 29, 2014 2:56:50pm

Remember the kooky brothers who lost their show on HGTV due to being bigots? Apparently they’re like ISIS victims. These dickheads really don’t seem to realize that not only does this show a patehtic lack of perspective, it’s downright insulting to the friends and families like that of James Foley but then again comparing themselves to Holocaust victims, Jim Crow era blacks, etc has never stopped these types before either. Just fucking tired of religious right assholes who can’t handle people calling them bigots which is what they are thinking that means they’re like the victims of mass murder. No, you’re not asshole, you are still alive and well, and apparently judging by this year’s Value Voters Summit free to say all the stupid shit you want without any real repercussion.
rightwingwatch.org

45 HappyWarrior  Sep 29, 2014 2:57:25pm

re: #42 Targetpractice

Seriously? Willard is thinking about running again?

I obviously need to start making more sacrifices to the Gods of Politics.

Yeah I’ve heard that he’s “leaning strongly towards it.”

46 HappyWarrior  Sep 29, 2014 2:58:59pm

And for you Virginians, Ed Gillespie, Mr. Former RNC himself has an ad out accusing Mark Warner of being too partisan. Dude you worked at the RNC. God Virginia Republicans are pathetic.

47 Targetpractice  Sep 29, 2014 2:59:24pm

re: #45 HappyWarrior

Yeah I’ve heard that he’s “leaning strongly towards it.”

Now all we need is Palin throwing her propeller beanie into the ring and we’ll have a derpocalypse the likes of which the world has never seen before.

48 HappyWarrior  Sep 29, 2014 3:00:39pm

re: #47 Targetpractice

Now all we need is Palin throwing her propeller beanie into the ring and we’ll have a derpocalypse the likes of which the world has never seen before.

Can we get Newt to run again too? We need an “intellectual”!

49 Higgs Boson's Mate  Sep 29, 2014 3:02:20pm

re: #47 Targetpractice

Now all we need is Palin throwing her propeller beanie into the ring and we’ll have a derpocalypse the likes of which the world has never seen before.

Willard for prez, Palin for veep!
There’ll be no failin’ with Romney-Palin.

50 goddamnedfrank  Sep 29, 2014 3:02:26pm

re: #44 HappyWarrior

Remember the kooky brothers who lost their show on HGTV due to being bigots? Apparently they’re like ISIS victims. These dickheads really don’t seem to realize that not only does this show a patehtic lack of perspective, it’s downright insulting to the friends and families like that of James Foley but then again comparing themselves to Holocaust victims, Jim Crow era blacks, etc has never stopped these types before either. Just fucking tired of religious right assholes who can’t handle people calling them bigots which is what they are thinking that means they’re like the victims of mass murder. No, you’re not asshole, you are still alive and well, and apparently judging by this year’s Value Voters Summit free to say all the stupid shit you want without any real repercussion.
rightwingwatch.org

Also, their social conservatism is right in line with ISIS’s ideology. Christian right wingers hate ISIS because it’s Muslim, but otherwise for them it’s like looking into a funhouse mirror reflection of themselves. More barbaric yes, but essentially the same image simply stretched a bit. The only reason that people like this go to places like Uganda to propagate their death to gays legislative agenda is that they can’t manage to accomplish it here.

51 HappyWarrior  Sep 29, 2014 3:04:15pm

re: #50 goddamnedfrank

Also, their social conservatism is right in line with ISIS’s ideology. Christian right wingers hate ISIS because it’s Muslim, but otherwise for them it’s like looking into a funhouse image of themselves. More barbaric yes, but essentially the same image simply stretched a bit. The only reason that people like this go to places like Uganda to propagate their death to gays legislative agenda is that they can’t manage to accomplish it here.

Right, pretty much and they have admitted as such that their problem with ISIS is more with what ISIS’s religion is more so than ISIS’ ideology.

52 RealityBasedSteve  Sep 29, 2014 3:05:11pm

Palin absolutely will not run. She will dance around the edges, make noises like she is considering it, but it’s just going to be a ploy to make her seem relevant

53 Pie-onist Overlord  Sep 29, 2014 3:06:02pm
54 HappyWarrior  Sep 29, 2014 3:07:03pm

re: #52 RealityBasedSteve

Palin absolutely will not run. She will dance around the edges, make noises like she is considering it, but it’s just going to be a ploy to make her seem relevant

Really Palin has had plenty of chances to actually run for office. I would be shocked if she ran for anything ever because she knows there’s more money in just being a professional second guesser and that if she ran, she’d actually have to be called out for being a wacko. But the conservatives say we libs are “petrified” of her. Yeah that’s why she can’t bother running in Alaska.

55 Cheechako  Sep 29, 2014 3:07:46pm

re: #52 RealityBasedSteve

Palin absolutely will not run. She will dance around the edges, make noises like she is considering it, but it’s just going to be a ploy to make her seem relevant

Plus, Phalin’s endorsement is the “Kiss of Death” for a candidate. I think everyone she has endorsed has lost their primary or general election.

56 Charles Johnson  Sep 29, 2014 3:09:12pm
57 Timothy Watson  Sep 29, 2014 3:09:47pm

re: #46 HappyWarrior

And for you Virginians, Ed Gillespie, Mr. Former RNC himself has an ad out accusing Mark Warner of being too partisan. Dude you worked at the RNC. God Virginia Republicans are pathetic.

We need to come up with a new measurement system to describe how full of shit Gillespie is.

58 HappyWarrior  Sep 29, 2014 3:10:00pm

re: #55 Cheechako

Plus, Phalin’s endorsement is the “Kiss of Death” for a candidate. I think everyone she has endorsed has lost their primary of general electio.

I think maybe she has a few wins to her credit but she’s not a kingmaker at all. I think her one big win that she has is Ayotte in New Hampshire. But she has a lot more failures i.e. Angle in Nevada, O’Donnell in Delaware, Buck in Colorado, and others to that. I think she also was an early backer of Paul in Kentucky too.

59 HappyWarrior  Sep 29, 2014 3:11:00pm

re: #57 Timothy Watson

We need to come up with a new measurement system to describe how full of shit Gillespie is.

Heh you ain’t kidding. I’m focused some on the Congressional race here. Really hoping Faust can beat Comstock.

60 RealityBasedSteve  Sep 29, 2014 3:11:04pm

re: #57 Timothy Watson

We need to come up with a new measurement system to describe how full of shit Gillespie is.

All I can see is a monkey trying to put the cork back in

61 Charles Johnson  Sep 29, 2014 3:11:06pm
62 Higgs Boson's Mate  Sep 29, 2014 3:11:09pm

re: #56 Charles Johnson

In a just world, Charles C. Johnson would have to have the word “DOUCHE” prominently tattooed on every one of his chins.

63 Targetpractice  Sep 29, 2014 3:11:55pm

re: #61 Charles Johnson

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And the live ones he threatens to sue for libel.

64 goddamnedfrank  Sep 29, 2014 3:12:41pm

re: #53 Pie-onist Overlord

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Why can black people say it in their hippity-hop, huh?

Where is your God now?

I miss Walter L. Newton.

Not really.

65 RealityBasedSteve  Sep 29, 2014 3:13:05pm

re: #62 Higgs Boson’s Mate

In a just world, Charles C. Johnson would have to have the word “DOUCHE” prominently tattooed on every one of his chins.

Make him wear “The Scarlet D”

66 Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 29, 2014 3:13:11pm

re: #54 HappyWarrior

Really Palin has had plenty of chances to actually run for office. I would be shocked if she ran for anything ever because she knows there’s more money in just being a professional second guesser and that if she ran, she’d actually have to be called out for being a wacko. But the conservatives say we libs are “petrified” of her. Yeah that’s why she can’t bother running in Alaska.

Palin doesn’t want POWER, she wants FAME and MONEY. Power requires work.

67 RealityBasedSteve  Sep 29, 2014 3:15:43pm

I have to admit, riding the express bus rather than driving gives me lots more LGF time.

68 Higgs Boson's Mate  Sep 29, 2014 3:15:50pm

re: #54 HappyWarrior

Really Palin has had plenty of chances to actually run for office. I would be shocked if she ran for anything ever because she knows there’s more money in just being a professional second guesser and that if she ran, she’d actually have to be called out for being a wacko. But the conservatives say we libs are “petrified” of her. Yeah that’s why she can’t bother running in Alaska.

The real reason that Palin won’t even stand for VP is that she’s been told that there’s no room for a double-wide at the Naval Observatory.

69 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Sep 29, 2014 3:16:13pm


This photo is fitting. She looks just like the vulture she is.

70 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Sep 29, 2014 3:16:27pm

re: #66 GeneJockey

Palin doesn’t want POWER, she wants FAME and MONEY. Power requires work.

Can you imagine the Palins getting into a drunken brawl with the Secret Service caught in the middle?

71 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Sep 29, 2014 3:16:57pm

re: #67 RealityBasedSteve

I have to admit, riding the express bus rather than driving gives me lots more LGF time.

with any luck and a good interview performance on thursday I’ll be changing jobs to work for a company that’s 10 minutes from my house instead of one that is an hour to an hour and a half away depending on freeway traffic.

72 HappyWarrior  Sep 29, 2014 3:16:58pm

re: #66 GeneJockey

Palin doesn’t want POWER, she wants FAME and MONEY. Power requires work.

Precisely and that’s the real reason she quit on her job. I did say it here in the election two years ago but I actually have some more grudging respect for Bachmann than Palin since Bachmann actually puts herself up for election. Yes, she’s legitimately insane but she also actually runs for office. Palin? She’s been on Fox News since she decided to quit on her state to become a reality star /right wing folk hero. She’s a fraud.

73 Higgs Boson's Mate  Sep 29, 2014 3:17:43pm

re: #70 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Can you imagine the Palins getting into a drunken brawl with the Secret Service caught in the middle?

And how conflicted the Secret Service agents would be?

74 Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 29, 2014 3:18:48pm

re: #69 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

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This photo is fitting. She looks just like the vulture she is.

She’s becoming her own “Picture of Dorian Gray”, as her soul is increasingly written on her face.

75 wrenchwench  Sep 29, 2014 3:18:55pm

re: #38 Pie-onist Overlord

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I looked it up. Sounds much better than going into the darkened booth to talk to a man you can’t see who assigns homework.

I’m coming back as a Jew next time.

Oh, wait. No reincarnation.

76 klys  Sep 29, 2014 3:20:49pm

re: #71 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

with any luck and a good interview performance on thursday I’ll be changing jobs to work for a company that’s 10 minutes from my house instead of one that is an hour to an hour and a half away depending on freeway traffic.

Wishing you luck here.

I just spent close to an hour and a half getting a LinkedIn profile up and running.

77 De Kolta Chair  Sep 29, 2014 3:21:41pm

The way things are going, I fully expect the Ferguson Police Dept. to appoint Pamela Geller as their new head of community relations.

78 Decatur Deb  Sep 29, 2014 3:23:59pm

re: #64 goddamnedfrank

Really. And albusteve, and Cato, and a handful of others. My life lacks agita.

79 William Barnett-Lewis  Sep 29, 2014 3:26:39pm

re: #78 Decatur Deb

Really. And albusteve, and Cato, and a handful of others. My life lacks agita.

Of them, I do really miss Cato. He was usually a bit more thoughtful. At least in my memory…

80 wrenchwench  Sep 29, 2014 3:26:59pm

re: #77 De Kolta Chair

The way things are going, I fully expect the Ferguson Police Dept. to appoint Pamela Geller as their new head of community relations.

That’s tying the threads together.

81 Charles Johnson  Sep 29, 2014 3:27:04pm

lolwut

82 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Sep 29, 2014 3:27:46pm

re: #78 Decatur Deb

Really. And albusteve, and Cato, and a handful of others. My life lacks agita.

Agita upa anda go?

83 EPR-radar  Sep 29, 2014 3:28:24pm

re: #16 jaunte

There is just no way in hell a wingnut can be trusted as director of the Secret Service as long as Obama is in office.

84 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Sep 29, 2014 3:28:35pm

re: #76 klys

Wishing you luck here.

I just spent close to an hour and a half getting a LinkedIn profile up and running.

thanks. Had the phone interview last week and it went really well. The face to face is supposed to be a more technical grilling which can be hit or miss for me, sometimes my brain just freezes and that ends up costing me. Hoping it won’t be that bad. Had one interview I did once where they asked me to write a function on a white board that returned whether or not a number was prime. My brain froze and I couldn’t write one.

85 RealityBasedSteve  Sep 29, 2014 3:29:42pm

re: #81 Charles Johnson

lolwut

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Citation needed

86 HappyWarrior  Sep 29, 2014 3:29:48pm

re: #81 Charles Johnson

lolwut

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Don’t know what he’s talking about. Ron Paul actually won in 1976. If Ron Paul’s lost any election, I wager to say it’s because he’s you know a genuine kook.

87 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Sep 29, 2014 3:31:49pm

re: #76 klys

Oh and LinkedIn is great. I get a lot of contact from recruiters on there and it’s good for keeping in touch with old co-workers when they have openings at their companies. Of course that’s if you liked some of your old co-workers lol.

Just wish the interview was earlier this week. Would love to nail it and be able to give my 2 weeks.

88 Pie-onist Overlord  Sep 29, 2014 3:32:38pm

re: #75 wrenchwench

I looked it up. Sounds much better than going into the darkened booth to talk to a man you can’t see who assigns homework.

I’m coming back as a Jew next time.

Oh, wait. No reincarnation.

Jews believe in reincarnation.

89 wrenchwench  Sep 29, 2014 3:33:16pm

re: #88 Pie-onist Overlord

Jews believe in reincarnation.

Do I have to be a Jew before I go in order to come back?

90 Pie-onist Overlord  Sep 29, 2014 3:34:07pm

re: #84 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

thanks. Had the phone interview last week and it went really well. The face to face is supposed to be a more technical grilling which can be hit or miss for me, sometimes my brain just freezes and that ends up costing me. Hoping it won’t be that bad. Had one interview I did once where they asked me to write a function on a white board that returned whether or not a number was prime. My brain froze and I couldn’t write one.

I think it’s bullshit if they ask you to write code on the fly. Code written on the fly is shit code.

91 Decatur Deb  Sep 29, 2014 3:34:09pm

re: #82 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Agita upa anda go?

Good name for a Venetian folk band. Anonymous Cat-Eaters is taken.

Youtube Video

92 wrenchwench  Sep 29, 2014 3:34:41pm

brb.

Bank trip, not reincarnation yet.

93 Pie-onist Overlord  Sep 29, 2014 3:35:07pm

re: #89 wrenchwench

Do I have to be a Jew before I go in order to come back?

No. But you might become a cow. Or a cat.

94 EPR-radar  Sep 29, 2014 3:35:22pm

re: #84 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

Interesting interview question —- it could almost be a trap for those who know too much, since the simplest way to test for primeness is terribly slow and is rarely (if ever?) implemented.

95 RealityBasedSteve  Sep 29, 2014 3:35:30pm

re: #89 wrenchwench

Do I have to be a Jew before I go in order to come back?

That’s the catch. Catch 22, it’s a hell of a catch

96 klys  Sep 29, 2014 3:36:03pm

re: #94 EPR-radar

Interesting interview question —- it could almost be a trap for those who know too much, since the simplest way to test for primeness is terribly slow and is rarely (if ever?) implemented.

You mean I shouldn’t do a for loop starting at 2 and going to n-1 and check the mod?

///

97 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Sep 29, 2014 3:36:30pm

re: #90 Pie-onist Overlord

I think it’s bullshit if they ask you to write code on the fly. Code written on the fly is shit code.

I agree wholeheartedly. I never understood it. The best you will get is the most basic piece of code one can write because the more complex stuff takes time and consideration. On top of that, sure you can write something complex but with no way to test you can’t be 100% certain it will even work. God knows I’ve written code that SHOULD work only to find out it doesn’t.

98 EPR-radar  Sep 29, 2014 3:37:08pm

re: #96 klys

You mean I shouldn’t do a for loop starting at 2 and going to n-1 and check the mod?

///

The loop can run from 2 to sqrt(n), which makes it ever so much more efficient.//

99 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Sep 29, 2014 3:39:08pm

re: #94 EPR-radar

Interesting interview question —- it could almost be a trap for those who know too much, since the simplest way to test for primeness is terribly slow and is rarely (if ever?) implemented.

It was a trap IMO but they weren’t impressed when I couldn’t write it. What can I say, brain froze. But give me a set of specs for a real world issue and application and I can program the hell out of it.

I never went to college so I don’t have the formal “beat it into your head ad-nauseum” training but I can make things work (sometimes against the odds) and will work my butt off if need be to accomplish a given task.

100 Targetpractice  Sep 29, 2014 3:39:55pm

re: #86 HappyWarrior

Don’t know what he’s talking about. Ron Paul actually won in 1976. If Ron Paul’s lost any election, I wager to say it’s because he’s you know a genuine kook.

Paul won a special election for the seat that had been vacated, then lost the general election months later by 0.2% of the vote. He contested the election to the House of Representatives, claiming (amongst other things) that felons had illegally voted.

He won the seat back 2 years later and held it until he got stupid and ran for the presidency as a libertarian in 1988. Then he got elected in a new district in 1996 and remained in Congress til he chose to retire last year.

101 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Sep 29, 2014 3:40:25pm

re: #96 klys

You mean I shouldn’t do a for loop starting at 2 and going to n-1 and check the mod?

///

I’ve actually found some good ways of doing it but would do it as more of a boolean function that tests the primality of a number. would probably even write it in an extension for integers that so I could write something like:

int i = 1;

return i.IsPrime();

102 RealityBasedSteve  Sep 29, 2014 3:40:44pm

re: #98 EPR-radar

The loop can run from 2 to sqrt(n), which makes it ever so much more efficient.//

So, my approach of a series of sequential subtractions to see if the final product is 0 is a bad idea?

103 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 29, 2014 3:41:50pm

re: #45 HappyWarrior

Yeah I’ve heard that he’s “leaning strongly towards it.”

More like Ann is pushing and shoving him…

104 klys  Sep 29, 2014 3:42:08pm

re: #97 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

I agree wholeheartedly. I never understood it. The best you will get is the most basic piece of code one can write because the more complex stuff takes time and consideration. On top of that, sure you can write something complex but with no way to test you can’t be 100% certain it will even work. God knows I’ve written code that SHOULD work only to find out it doesn’t.

The husband has coding questions as part of his process.

Part of it is to discover if you can translate ideas into code. He’s not looking for perfect code - but you do lose points if after he comments there are mistakes, he has to give you clues on where to find them. If you find and fix them yourself, it’s fine.

From his point of view, the job you are being hired to do is writing code. If you can’t do a simple problem in the interview (it’s not designed to be a gotcha), he doesn’t particularly want to hold your hand for the next 6 months while you come up to speed. He doesn’t dictate language and you can use library functions as long as you can explain what it’s returning - and if you sound like you’re making that up, he’ll ask you to implement it.

I had to write code on paper for exams in the few classes I’ve taken so it wasn’t that different.

105 HappyWarrior  Sep 29, 2014 3:42:23pm

re: #100 Targetpractice

Paul won a special election for the seat that had been vacated, then lost the general election months later by 0.2% of the vote. He contested the election to the House of Representatives, claiming (amongst other things) that felons had illegally voted.

He won the seat back 2 years later and held it until he got stupid and ran for the presidency as a libertarian in 1988. Then he got elected in a new district in 1996 and remained in Congress til he chose to retire last year.

Ahh gotcha.

106 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 29, 2014 3:42:35pm

re: #47 Targetpractice

Now all we need is Palin throwing her propeller beanie into the ring and we’ll have a derpocalypse the likes of which the world has never seen before.

She wants “1400 Pennsylvania Avenue” so much….

107 HappyWarrior  Sep 29, 2014 3:42:36pm

re: #103 Backwoods_Sleuth

More like Ann is pushing and shoving him…

Yeah that’s probably more it.

108 Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 29, 2014 3:42:38pm

re: #103 Backwoods_Sleuth

More like Ann is pushing and shoving him…

After last time, when it came out he didn’t really want it anyway?

109 b.d.  Sep 29, 2014 3:42:51pm

re: #86 HappyWarrior

Don’t know what he’s talking about. Ron Paul actually won in 1976. If Ron Paul’s lost any election, I wager to say it’s because he’s you know a genuine kook.

Ron won the special election to fill a vancant seat due to a presidential appointment. Bob Gammage beat Paul in the real 1976 election.

110 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 29, 2014 3:43:15pm

re: #52 RealityBasedSteve

Palin absolutely will not run. She will dance around the edges, make noises like she is considering it, but it’s just going to be a ploy to make her seem relevant

and fleece the rubes…

111 HappyWarrior  Sep 29, 2014 3:44:11pm

re: #108 GeneJockey

After last time, when it came out he didn’t really want it anyway?

As hard as it is, Ann proved to be more unlikable than Mitt. I won’t attack her too much because the attacks on Michelle Obama have been disgusting but Ann and her “you people” and acting like our country was somehow missing out by not voting her amazing husband president made me ill. The Romney boys aren’t exactly likable guys either especially the one who wanted to punch Obama.

112 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Sep 29, 2014 3:44:14pm

re: #104 klys

I don’t mind coding questions but give me something real world to work with. I just hate trying to do it on the fly on a whiteboard.

113 b.d.  Sep 29, 2014 3:44:15pm

re: #100 Targetpractice

Paul won a special election for the seat that had been vacated, then lost the general election months later by 0.2% of the vote. He contested the election to the House of Representatives, claiming (amongst other things) that felons had illegally voted.

He won the seat back 2 years later and held it until he got stupid and ran for the presidency as a libertarian in 1988. Then he got elected in a new district in 1996 and remained in Congress til he chose to retire last year.

Because, God bless them, a republican has never just lost an election, they were all stolen from them.

//

114 HappyWarrior  Sep 29, 2014 3:44:33pm

re: #109 b.d.

Ron won the special election to fill a vancant seat due to a presidential appointment. Bob Gammage beat Paul in the real 1976 election.

Yeah I see that now.

115 HappyWarrior  Sep 29, 2014 3:45:12pm

re: #113 b.d.

Because, God bless them, a republican has never just lost an election, they were all stolen from them.

//

Every close race a Republican loses is obviously stolen duh. But every race a Democrat loses is the people’s will and don’t you forget it.

116 Pie-onist Overlord  Sep 29, 2014 3:47:26pm

You know what, fuck these bigoted douchewads, I have no sympathy for them whatsoever.

117 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 29, 2014 3:48:40pm

re: #69 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

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This photo is fitting. She looks just like the vulture she is.

She’s like one of those “bad plastic surgery” people.

118 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 29, 2014 3:49:10pm

re: #70 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Can you imagine the Palins getting into a drunken brawl with the Secret Service caught in the middle?

In Colombia, it would be okay-fine!

119 The Ghost of a Flea  Sep 29, 2014 3:51:07pm

re: #85 RealityBasedSteve

Citation needed

Isn’t that the sum of CCJ’s “career”?

It’s practically his heraldic motto.

120 klys  Sep 29, 2014 3:51:20pm
121 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Sep 29, 2014 3:51:42pm

of course I am memorizing a way to check in Linq using Lambda expressions for testing primality. LOL.

122 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 29, 2014 3:52:34pm

re: #81 Charles Johnson

lolwut

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Rand Paul ran for election when he was 14 years old?

oops, that was his dad…

I’ll go sit in the dunce corner now…

123 Targetpractice  Sep 29, 2014 3:55:45pm

re: #116 Pie-onist Overlord

You know what, fuck these bigoted douchewads, I have no sympathy for them whatsoever.

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I like how they try to excuse their bigotry by saying that they’ve served the customers before, but they just didn’t want to make a wedding cake for them. I wonder if their supporters know they served gay customers happily before they asked for a wedding cake?

124 Charles Johnson  Sep 29, 2014 3:58:30pm
125 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 29, 2014 4:11:08pm

Puppies!

126 Higgs Boson's Mate  Sep 29, 2014 4:13:48pm

re: #81 Charles Johnson

Charles C. Johnson is missing a bet. He could make a small fortune as a stage magician: the only thing that he hasn’t so far pulled out of his ass is a crosstown bus.

127 De Kolta Chair  Sep 29, 2014 4:14:33pm

re: #116 Pie-onist Overlord

You know what, fuck these bigoted douchewads, I have no sympathy for them whatsoever.

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That’s quite a diverse crowd of contributors over at the Daily Signal. /////

dailysignal.com

128 CriticalDragon1177  Sep 29, 2014 4:23:49pm

re: #116 Pie-onist Overlord

You know what, fuck these bigoted douchewads, I have no sympathy for them whatsoever.

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129 teleskiguy  Sep 29, 2014 4:26:05pm

re: #31 HappyWarrior

Best news about the 2016 primary? Mitt Romney apparently is leaning towards running again. Fun fact, Mitt Romney has never gotten over 50% of the vote in an election ever.

Mitt Romney, the William Jennings Bryan of the 21st century.

130 Romantic Heretic  Sep 29, 2014 4:27:24pm

re: #2 HappyWarrior

If she really felt the pain they were feeling and suffering, she wouldn’t have used their murdered son’s death photos to push an agenda. I am glad she backed off but she clearly doesn’t have any empathy for Foley’s family.

FTFY.

Gellar is an alcoholic and a crackhead so empathy is impossible for her.

131 JustMark  Sep 29, 2014 4:28:22pm

re: #57 Timothy Watson

We need to come up with a new measurement system to describe how full of shit Gillespie is.

How about just calling it a “Gillespie”? Just need a conversion chart. “That’s 20 Gillespies…”

132 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Sep 29, 2014 4:29:01pm

In wacky conspiracy news: Global Hegemony Threatened as Tens of People Hold “Chemtrail” Protests which is at The Vane, a Gawker Media blog that’s actually pretty entertaining weather-related stuff. Dennis Mersereau really lays into the chemtrail nuts repeatedly.

There’s also something to be said about the low turnout at these various nut job “protests,” but my brain is too fried right now to make it.

Edit: apologies if someone posted about this earlier. I’ve fallen behind on some of the threads recently.

133 BongCrodny  Sep 29, 2014 4:36:06pm

re: #100 Targetpractice

Paul won a special election for the seat that had been vacated, then lost the general election months later by 0.2% of the vote. He contested the election to the House of Representatives, claiming (amongst other things) that felons had illegally voted.

He won the seat back 2 years later and held it until he got stupid and ran for the presidency as a libertarian in 1988. Then he got elected in a new district in 1996 and remained in Congress til he chose to retire last year.

So in other words, RON PAUL lost because felons voted in 1976, but in the election he won in 1978, they didn’t vote.

I guess it makes perfect sense if you live in Chuckland.

134 stpaulbear  Sep 29, 2014 4:38:34pm

re: #60 RealityBasedSteve

All I can see is a monkey trying to put the cork back in

I know you posted this eons ago, but I just had to let you know that I hadn’t heard that punchline in over 40 years.

For just a moment, I felt like a kid again.

135 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Sep 29, 2014 4:43:31pm

Apparently, the chemtrails killed the thread! It’s a conspiracy!

136 Pie-onist Overlord  Sep 29, 2014 4:43:37pm
137 wrenchwench  Sep 29, 2014 4:45:38pm

James Boyd was killed last March.

138 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 29, 2014 4:46:44pm

re: #135 Rev_Arthur_Belling

Apparently, the chemtrails killed the thread! It’s a conspiracy!

bunny to the rescue!

139 teleskiguy  Sep 29, 2014 4:47:02pm

re: #132 Rev_Arthur_Belling

In wacky conspiracy news: thevane.gawker.com">thevane.gawker.com“>Edit: apologies if someone posted about this earlier. I’ve fallen behind on some of the threads recently.

Why I ought a …

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littlegreenfootballs.com

140 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Sep 29, 2014 4:48:36pm

re: #139 teleskiguy

Heh, and that was specifically one thread I hadn’t waded through. :)

141 Charles Johnson  Sep 29, 2014 4:49:08pm
142 b.d.  Sep 29, 2014 4:49:20pm

Chuck C with Orly Taitz
What a shameless fuckwad he is.

143 klys  Sep 29, 2014 4:50:21pm

re: #142 b.d.

…so he never, ever went birther about Obama, right?

Haha, I know, dumb question.

The hypocrisy is extreme even by GOP standards.

144 teleskiguy  Sep 29, 2014 4:51:19pm

re: #142 b.d.

The Constitution gives three eligibility requirements to be president: one must be 35 years of age, a resident “within the United States” for 14 years, and a “natural born Citizen,” a term not defined in the Constitution.

If Cruz does mount a campaign there will be a Supreme Court ruling.

145 Charles Johnson  Sep 29, 2014 4:51:21pm
146 klys  Sep 29, 2014 4:52:12pm

re: #144 teleskiguy

If Cruz does mount a campaign there will be a Supreme Court ruling.

As long as it’s the nuts in the GOP pursuing it I don’t care.

147 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Sep 29, 2014 4:53:07pm

re: #141 Charles Johnson

You know, if someone has served their time, it seems they’ve paid their debt to society and shouldn’t be permanently frozen out from participation in our representative democracy. It’s not that difficult a concept.

148 b.d.  Sep 29, 2014 4:54:12pm

re: #143 klys

…so he never, ever went birther about Obama, right?

Haha, I know, dumb question.

The hypocrisy is extreme even by GOP standards.

It’s worse than that he was so into the birther crap that he claim Breitbart was part of the coverup

Johnson revealed that early on Andrew Breitbart hired him to disprove birther claims, to show that birthers are lying and Obama is eligible for the presidency. Johnson, an accomplished investigative journalist, engaged in extensive research and found that Taitz and others are correct, that birther claims are true, that Obama is indeed a fraud and using all bogus IDs. Johnson went back to Breitbart and other editors of breitbart.com advising them that birther claims are 100% correct and they should write about it. breitbart.com editors refused to write about it as they were afraid of persecutions by the IRS and other government agencies.

So, Johnson confirmed at a public meeting that breitbart.com, which fashions itself as a political dissident publication, was as complicit in the cover up of the biggest fraud in the US history, as the other main stream media publications, high ranking officials and a number of judges.

littlegreenfootballs.com

149 klys  Sep 29, 2014 4:54:20pm

re: #147 Rev_Arthur_Belling

You know, if someone has served their time, it seems they’ve paid their debt to society and shouldn’t be permanently frozen out from participation in our representative democracy. It’s not that difficult a concept.

Small caveat: I would be willing to make exceptions for convictions of crimes relating to the election process, such as voting fraud - attempting to tamper with election outcomes should result in the loss of participation rights.

150 Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 29, 2014 4:55:12pm

re: #147 Rev_Arthur_Belling

You know, if someone has served their time, it seems they’ve paid their debt to society and shouldn’t be permanently frozen out from participation in our representative democracy. It’s not that difficult a concept.

Bu, you know, minorities are overrepesented and you know Those People are more likely to vote Democratic, so apparently felons don’t deserve to vote.

151 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Sep 29, 2014 4:56:53pm

re: #149 klys

Small caveat: I would be willing to make exceptions for convictions of crimes relating to the election process, such as voting fraud - attempting to tamper with election outcomes should result in the loss of participation rights.

I could cede that point. Obviously, I was referring to the general population of people with felony convictions who’ve served their court-mandated sentences. (Aside: I don’t know that calling them “felons” after they’ve served their punishment is particularly helpful, but whatever.)

152 klys  Sep 29, 2014 4:58:04pm

re: #151 Rev_Arthur_Belling

I could cede that point. Obviously, I was referring to the general population of people with felony convictions who’ve served their court-mandated sentences. (Aside: I don’t know that calling them “felons” after they’ve served their punishment is particularly helpful, but whatever.)

That I can agree with. I just wanted to call out the one case where I do think it is justified after the prison sentence is complete.

153 teleskiguy  Sep 29, 2014 4:59:33pm

*drool*

154 RealityBasedSteve  Sep 29, 2014 4:59:48pm

re: #148 b.d.

It’s worse than that he was so into the birther crap that he claim Breitbart was part of the coverup

littlegreenfootballs.com

I think I upChucked a little in my mouth reading that.

RBS

155 RealityBasedSteve  Sep 29, 2014 5:00:41pm

re: #138 Backwoods_Sleuth

bunny to the rescue!

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I think All those filthy scoundrels should be tarred and feathered and drawn…… OHHHH BUNNY!!!!!! Never mind.

RBS

157 RealityBasedSteve  Sep 29, 2014 5:05:36pm

re: #156 wrenchwench

Oh my.

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Wasn’t that the bonus question last weekend on “Ask Me Another?”

RBS

159 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Sep 29, 2014 5:06:36pm

Here’s some fun reading for the gun aficionados on the board:

The Mall Ninja

, which I’d never heard of before. Some hilarious stuff:

I am the Sergeant of a three-man Rapid Tactical Force at one of America’s largest indoor retail shopping areas.

160 PhillyPretzel  Sep 29, 2014 5:09:07pm

re: #159 Rev_Arthur_Belling

Okay I will not go the the Mall of America. I think that is the largest one. Then again The Court and the Plaza at King of Prussia is no slouch in that department.

161 Stanley Sea  Sep 29, 2014 5:14:21pm

I started reading that sob story interview today and just could not finish it.

162 Belafon  Sep 29, 2014 5:17:27pm

re: #121 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

The first program written using C++ templates as a programming language generated a list of primes by creating a compiler error for each one as it looped over the numbers.

163 wrenchwench  Sep 29, 2014 5:18:39pm

Yet another summation with links!

164 RealityBasedSteve  Sep 29, 2014 5:18:41pm

re: #159 Rev_Arthur_Belling

Here’s some fun reading for the gun aficionados on the board:

, which I’d never heard of before. Some hilarious stuff:

OMG!!!! The fail is SO STRONG with that one. I see he went from being the Sergeant to Lieutenant, and then was doing personal corporate security. I couldn’t read the whole thing, it was just too painful. I’d be surprised if by the end of the thread he wasn’t packing two .500 Casulls and a break-down 460 Weatherby for Long Distance work.

I, for one, would have no desire to fire off a Win. 300 mag from an 18 inch barrel. And of course, there couldn’t be an over-penetration problem with that.
RBS

165 RealityBasedSteve  Sep 29, 2014 5:19:26pm

re: #162 Belafon

The first program written using C++ templates as a programming language generated a list of primes by creating a compiler error for each one as it looped over the numbers.

I’m not sure that would accord with best practices today. :)

RBS

166 teleskiguy  Sep 29, 2014 5:21:24pm

There’s snow up in them thar hills!

This is about 40 miles east of my current location. Snow level dropped to 9000 ft. today.

167 KiTA  Sep 29, 2014 5:21:42pm

My. The new grow lamps have been in the fixture for a few days, and there’s a marked difference. A few plants have really perked up. Hope I manage to save my P. gigantea and D. ‘Ivan’s Paddle.’

168 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 29, 2014 5:33:27pm
169 teleskiguy  Sep 29, 2014 5:35:46pm

re: #168 Backwoods_Sleuth

well, what on earth could go wrong with this?

West Virginia Plans To Frack Beneath Ohio River, Which Supplies Drinking Water To Millions

ARE ENERGY NEEDS ARE JUST 2 WORDZ, DRILL BABY DRILL!!!! 11TY

170 Stanley Sea  Sep 29, 2014 5:38:05pm
171 Belafon  Sep 29, 2014 5:44:43pm

re: #136 Pie-onist Overlord

If Republicans actually cared about history and reality, this statement and the stuff we found yesterday on the Founding Father’s views on abortion would cause a little introspection.

Don’t worry, I know who I’m talking about.

172 nines09  Sep 29, 2014 5:45:53pm

re: #168 Backwoods_Sleuth

well, what on earth could go wrong with this?

West Virginia Plans To Frack Beneath Ohio River, Which Supplies Drinking Water To Millions

Well since West Virginny thinks tops of mountains are ok in their waters, what’s a little frack acid and natural gas going to do?

173 stpaulbear  Sep 29, 2014 5:46:28pm

re: #168 Backwoods_Sleuth

well, what on earth could go wrong with this?

West Virginia Plans To Frack Beneath Ohio River, Which Supplies Drinking Water To Millions

I’m evil for looking forward to the day when all of the fracking states just fall into a giant sinkhole and disappear. I don’t have to worry about it because nothing is downstream in MN. We’re digging up silica sand like crazy and causing our own problems (not as bad a Walker’s WI), but I don’t think we’re turning our bedrock into mush here yet.

174 austin_blue  Sep 29, 2014 5:47:03pm

re: #168 Backwoods_Sleuth

well, what on earth could go wrong with this?

West Virginia Plans To Frack Beneath Ohio River, Which Supplies Drinking Water To Millions

The integrity of an oil or gas well is as strong as its worst cement job. But since all oilfield work is perfect, what could go wrong? And, and we clean stuff out of surface water all the time, anyway! No problemo!

175 Stanley Sea  Sep 29, 2014 5:49:01pm

I’m having leftovers now and I can tell you with authority the roast chicken I made last night is a recipe keeper.

Paste of cumin, hot Mexican chile powder, lime, butter & olive oil. The flavor is throughout and quite epic.

176 HamSandwich  Sep 29, 2014 5:49:21pm

Are Daniel Pipes and his foundation backers of Geller?

177 RealityBasedSteve  Sep 29, 2014 5:50:52pm

re: #175 Stanley Sea

I’m having leftovers now and I can tell you with authority the roast chicken I made last night is a recipe keeper.

Paste of cumin, hot Mexican chile powder, lime, butter & olive oil. The flavor is throughout and quite epic.

How did you roast it, super high (450-500*) like I prefer, or a lower temp. Do tell, you can’t tease us like that, you’re not Sarah Palin. (I know, that was a low blow…. 1 point mandatory deduction)

RBS

178 RealityBasedSteve  Sep 29, 2014 5:52:24pm

re: #167 KiTA

My. The new grow lamps have been in the fixture for a few days, and there’s a marked difference. A few plants have really perked up. Hope I manage to save my P. gigantea and D. ‘Ivan’s Paddle.’

On some other forums I visit, those would be entirely different species of plant.

RBS

179 Pie-onist Overlord  Sep 29, 2014 5:53:29pm

Ben Shapiro wants to be Pam Geller when he grows up:

180 Higgs Boson's Mate  Sep 29, 2014 5:56:49pm

re: #142 b.d.

The phrase “natural born” refers to Americans who are American when they are born. So Cruz, with American mom, is citizen. Delaware counts.

Now we know why conservative have their heads up their asses. It’s all those full-speed 180s.

181 darthstar  Sep 29, 2014 5:58:39pm

re: #179 Pie-onist Overlord

Ben Shapiro wants to be Pam Geller when he grows up:

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She’s going for that sexy gun-shop look. All she needs to do is add pizza, beer, and private booths where men can clean their weapons and she’ll have most of the gun nuts in her community there all the time.

182 Pie-onist Overlord  Sep 29, 2014 5:59:37pm

re: #181 darthstar

She’s going for that sexy gun-shop look. All she needs to do is add pizza, beer, and private booths where men can clean their weapons and she’ll have most of the gun nuts in her community there all the time.

Here’s the gun-fucker over at Ben’s site, going for that sexy gun-fucker look.

183 RealityBasedSteve  Sep 29, 2014 6:00:05pm

re: #180 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Now we know why conservative have their heads up their asses. It’s all those full-speed 180s.

I drove a Mini-S that couldn’t corner like that.

RBS

184 Pie-onist Overlord  Sep 29, 2014 6:01:26pm

The idiot who wrote this gun-fucking article showed a deep knowledge of the U.S. Constitution and Civil Rights:

What Caleb refuses to mention is that it is also Jan Morgan’s right to refuse to provide service. She is not taking away someone’s civil rights by denying American Muslims their Second Amendment rights; she is not allowing them to come into her establishment. There are surely more gun ranges Muslims can frequent if they so desire.

185 Stanley Sea  Sep 29, 2014 6:01:47pm

re: #177 RealityBasedSteve

How did you roast it, super high (450-500*) like I prefer, or a lower temp. Do tell, you can’t tease us like that, you’re not Sarah Palin. (I know, that was a low blow…. 1 point mandatory deduction)

RBS

Just looked and my timing post it got trashed! ( I always have a timing post it!!) Memory is 350 for 45, 450 for 15. It was a 4lb chicken. I just went off the net.

186 JustMark  Sep 29, 2014 6:03:18pm

re: #184 Pie-onist Overlord

The idiot who wrote this gun-fucking article showed a deep knowledge of the U.S. Constitution and Civil Rights:

How will she know who’s a Muslim?

187 Stanley Sea  Sep 29, 2014 6:03:56pm

re: #186 JustMark

How will she know who’s a Muslim?

Oh she’s got her ways.

188 darthstar  Sep 29, 2014 6:05:12pm

re: #182 Pie-onist Overlord

Here’s the gun-fucker over at Ben’s site, going for that sexy gun-fucker look.

Indeed…she’s a gun porn star. Guessing she’ll ride the gun rage hard-on until Obama leaves office then get some sucker to pay her a couple million for her “Gun Cave” as an investment. The smart people will jump ship after his presidency ends because demand will drop once the scary black man is gone.

189 Higgs Boson's Mate  Sep 29, 2014 6:05:26pm

re: #186 JustMark

How will she know who’s a Muslim?

It will be easy as soon as right thinking people get together and make American Muslims wear armbands with a yellow crescent on them.

190 Charles Johnson  Sep 29, 2014 6:06:17pm

re: #176 HamSandwich

Are Daniel Pipes and his foundation backers of Geller?

No, Daniel Pipes steers clear of Geller because she’s too crazy even for him, and Geller has viciously attacked him for it.

191 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Sep 29, 2014 6:06:52pm

re: #188 darthstar

Indeed…she’s a gun porn star.

I’m going to … NOT Google that, thank you very much.

192 wrenchwench  Sep 29, 2014 6:07:57pm

re: #176 HamSandwich

Greetings, hatchling.

193 RealityBasedSteve  Sep 29, 2014 6:08:44pm

re: #185 Stanley Sea

Just looked and my timing post it got trashed! ( I always have a timing post it!!) Memory is 350 for 45, 450 for 15. It was a 4lb chicken. I just went off the net.

how did you prep it? I’m really curious, I LOVE me my roast chicken, love to learn a new way to do one. I’m guessing a rub of the cumin / chilli powder, and a basting with the oil / butter mix? Or possibly put the spice mix into the oil / butter, and then use that as a wet rub.

Inquiring minds want to know.

RBS

194 HamSandwich  Sep 29, 2014 6:10:53pm

re: #192 wrenchwench

Thanks

195 jaunte  Sep 29, 2014 6:14:01pm

re: #176 HamSandwich

Are Daniel Pipes and his foundation backers of Geller?

Harris Zafar:

“…Accustomed to providing responses to substantive attacks against Islam, I found it challenging to determine the appropriate manner in which to address the attacks levied against Islam by Geller, as her work is mostly outrageous and irrational. She does not purport to be a scholar of Islam, nor does she possess academic or experiential credentials that provide any unique insight into Islam. Her self-education about Muslims began after 9/11, when she “felt guilty that I didn’t know who had attacked my country.” Deceived by the false premise that Islam attacked this great nation on 9/11, Geller searched for reasons to loathe the Islamic faith, seeking education from those most antagonistic of Islam, such as Bat Ye’or (pseudonym for Gisèle Littman, a Jewish-Egyptian French writer who imputes Christian and Jewish suffering to the theological beliefs of Islam), Ibn Warraq (pseudonym for a Pakistani author well known for writing about leaving Islam) and Daniel Pipes (American author who extensively criticizes Islam but whom Geller eventually rejected due to his belief in the existence of a moderate form of Islam).
huffingtonpost.com

196 jaunte  Sep 29, 2014 6:14:58pm
“…Her claims are so bizarre that one struggles to understand whether they are worthy of a response. Indeed, one can understand why Charles Johnson, who runs the blog Little Green Footballs, where Geller used to write, said about her: “That would be Ms. Geller. She has a very long record of absolute lunacy, mixed with bigotry and racism and I am far from the only person to point this out.”
huffingtonpost.com
197 freetoken  Sep 29, 2014 6:15:48pm

re: #195 jaunte

“…Geller, as her work is mostly outrageous and irrational. “

“outrageous” == drunk
“irrational” == blind hate

198 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Sep 29, 2014 6:16:14pm

re: #193 RealityBasedSteve

how did you prep it? I’m really curious, I LOVE me my roast chicken, love to learn a new way to do one. I’m guessing a rub of the cumin / chilli powder, and a basting with the oil / butter mix? Or possibly put the spice mix into the oil / butter, and then use that as a wet rub.

Inquiring minds want to know.

RBS

I recently had some roast chicken with a vinaigrette dressing basting on it. Not sure the timing or whatever (I wasn’t the one doing the cooking), but it was pretty surprisingly good.

199 Stanley Sea  Sep 29, 2014 6:16:43pm

re: #193 RealityBasedSteve

how did you prep it? I’m really curious, I LOVE me my roast chicken, love to learn a new way to do one. I’m guessing a rub of the cumin / chilli powder, and a basting with the oil / butter mix? Or possibly put the spice mix into the oil / butter, and then use that as a wet rub.

Inquiring minds want to know.

RBS

Wet rub/paste. All ingredients. Sprinkled 1 cut in half lime in cumin & put in cavity. Put some paste in cavity, but used most on exterior.

Salt & peppered the whole thing.

I squeezed lime on it at the temperature change.

200 Stanley Sea  Sep 29, 2014 6:17:28pm

re: #195 jaunte

Harris Zafar:

If you’ve lost the freak Daniel Pipes, well……..

201 Stanley Sea  Sep 29, 2014 6:19:14pm

Thanks for asking about MY KITCHEN WIN.

202 RealityBasedSteve  Sep 29, 2014 6:19:43pm

re: #199 Stanley Sea

Wet rub/paste. All ingredients. Sprinkled 1 cut in half lime in cumin & put in cavity. Put some paste in cavity, but used most on exterior.

Salt & peppered the whole thing.

I squeezed lime on it at the temperature change.

Sounds good. I may just do a 1/2 chicken that way sometime this week. Thanks for the info.

RBS

203 freetoken  Sep 29, 2014 6:22:32pm

Remember that recent, corporate strong arm tactic in WI, about the mining company now evidently owning the WI governor and getting its way for a northern WI mining operation?

Well, the world market is showing just how myopic the Governor and his mining cronies are:

Iron Ore Heads for Record Run of Quarterly Losses as Glut Builds

[…] The iron ore market is in the midst of a transition without precedent in recent commodity history, with a battle for survival between miners, according to Macquarie Group Ltd. A property slump and tight credit conditions restricted demand growth in China.

[…]

Iron ore will remain weak for a sustained period as supply exceeds demand and China’s economy slows, according to Tom Albanese, former head of Rio Tinto Group. High-cost producers are facing a so-called pain point at prices of about $80 a ton, Albanese, chief executive officer of London-based Vedanta Resources Plc, said in an interview in Singapore yesterday.

The worldwide surplus will increase from 52 million tons this year to 163 million tons in 2015, according to Goldman Sachs Group Inc. […]

The reality is that iron and associated metals are so common that mining them is really now only for those parts of the world that can pay the lowest wages worldwide.

That’s apparently what Wisconsin’s governor wants for his people.

204 jaunte  Sep 29, 2014 6:23:37pm
205 jaunte  Sep 29, 2014 6:25:25pm

Source of Drudgesiren panic:

“…Unaccompanied minors who made up the summer spike at the border have moved to communities of all sizes, in nearly every state, Federal data indicates, to live with a relative and await immigration decisions. The Supreme Court has ruled that schools have an obligation to educate all students regardless of their immigration status, so schools have become a safe haven for many of the tens of thousands of these young people mostly from central America living in limbo.”

206 austin_blue  Sep 29, 2014 6:26:28pm

re: #199 Stanley Sea

Wet rub/paste. All ingredients. Sprinkled 1 cut in half lime in cumin & put in cavity. Put some paste in cavity, but used most on exterior.

Salt & peppered the whole thing.

I squeezed lime on it at the temperature change.

You should try spatchcocking it next time. Cuts cooking time in half and lets you go high/low on the temps. A much moister result.

207 Stanley Sea  Sep 29, 2014 6:27:05pm

OT a bit, but I must pimp the young journalists of inewsource. I think they are funded by the local San Diego PBS station. They have done some great investigative reporting, but today started a series on

Deciding When a Life is No Longer Worth Living

Rafaela, 55, is severely brain injured. For the past four years, she has been kept alive with a feeding tube in her stomach and a breathing tube in her throat. She can’t walk or talk. It’s unlikely she knows who or where she is.
She is one of 4,000 men, women and children kept alive with machines in special wards in California’s nursing homes. (SS - imagine the number across the country)

On the books they’re called subacute units. But among some doctors, they’re known as “vent farms,” shorthand for the ventilators that keep so many of the residents breathing.

It is a gripping moral subject. I will do a page once the series is done, but want to share it.

impossiblechoice.org

inewsource.org

208 Pie-onist Overlord  Sep 29, 2014 6:28:45pm

re: #186 JustMark

How will she know who’s a Muslim?

THEY’LL BE WEARIN’ A TURBAN & A BIG PAJAMA SHIRT & OSAMA BEARD & HAVE A BIG MACHETE TO CUT HEADS OFF WITH!!!!!!!11!!

209 RealityBasedSteve  Sep 29, 2014 6:29:07pm

re: #206 austin_blue

You should try spatchcocking it next time. Cuts cooking time in half and lets you go high/low on the temps. A much moister result.

and spatchcocking is a neat word to say. spatchcock spatchcock spatchcock.

RBS

210 wrenchwench  Sep 29, 2014 6:29:30pm

re: #205 jaunte

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Source of Drudgesiren panic:

It’s like he’d rather have them all concentrated, in one camp or something.

211 jaunte  Sep 29, 2014 6:30:48pm

re: #210 wrenchwench

to live with a relative and await immigration decisions

How much longer can the nation survive?

212 Pie-onist Overlord  Sep 29, 2014 6:31:24pm

re: #206 austin_blue

You should try spatchcocking it next time. Cuts cooking time in half and lets you go high/low on the temps. A much moister result.

I’d Google that but it sounds NSFW

213 teleskiguy  Sep 29, 2014 6:31:27pm

Brave, gallant kitteh!

214 wrenchwench  Sep 29, 2014 6:31:28pm

re: #205 jaunte

The Supreme Court has ruled that schools have an obligation to educate all students regardless of their immigration status, so schools have become a safe haven for many of the tens of thousands of these young people mostly from central America living in limbo.

SCHOOL SHOULD NOT BE A SAFE HAVEN. LETS GET THEM OUT OF THERE

215 jaunte  Sep 29, 2014 6:31:54pm

re: #209 RealityBasedSteve

Spatchcock’s gone out of skew on the treadle.

216 wrenchwench  Sep 29, 2014 6:32:43pm

Good thing the wingnut tags aren’t case sensitive. I always forget to undo the caps lock.

217 nkdee  Sep 29, 2014 6:33:10pm

re: #66 GeneJockey

How is her internet tv show going?

218 austin_blue  Sep 29, 2014 6:35:40pm

re: #212 Pie-onist Overlord

I’d Google that but it sounds NSFW

Cut the spine out with cooking shears, break the sternum, lay the bird out flat and then marinate. Works for turkeys, too. Best way to cook a whole bird. Quick and oh, so juicy.

219 Charles Johnson  Sep 29, 2014 6:38:06pm
220 RealityBasedSteve  Sep 29, 2014 6:41:29pm

re: #218 austin_blue

Cut the spine out with cooking shears, break the sternum, lay the bird out flat and then marinate. Works for turkeys, too. Best way to cook a whole bird. Quick and oh, so juicy.

AKA Butterflying the chicken. That just doesn’t sound as cool.

A trick I use is cook it on a broiler pan, I spray the broiler rack with Pam so the bird doesn’t stick, I leave it in the oven while it heats up, so the chicken goes on the good hot pan to start. That way it gets to cook from both sides. I’ve got a friend who uses a cast iron pan in the oven with a small metal cooling rack on the inside to get the chicken up from any drippings. Sooooo Goood.

RBS

221 The Ghost of a Flea  Sep 29, 2014 6:41:55pm

Arizona anti-immigrant protestors made an ass of themselves on the BBC World Service tonight.

Three whole seconds until they got to “The Catholic Church wants immigrants because it’s how they make money” and “the illegal government in Washington.”

222 nsmith25  Sep 29, 2014 6:44:24pm

Last week, Alison Lundergan Grimes took questions on KSR(Kentucky Sports Radio), and while a sports talk show, she came on, took some decently tough questions and fared pretty well. The host, Matt Jones then reached out to her opponent, Mitch McConnell and…

223 Charles Johnson  Sep 29, 2014 6:45:53pm
224 Stanley Sea  Sep 29, 2014 6:48:16pm

re: #207 Stanley Sea

I did a page.

225 b.d.  Sep 29, 2014 6:48:19pm
226 teleskiguy  Sep 29, 2014 6:49:23pm

re: #222 nsmith25

That’s pretty bad. But I think Florida is the King Daddy of Dysfuntional Politics.

227 wrenchwench  Sep 29, 2014 6:50:29pm

re: #224 Stanley Sea

I did a page.

You’re supposed to include a link when you pimp it!

228 Targetpractice  Sep 29, 2014 6:50:31pm

re: #223 Charles Johnson

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Only if they fail to take the Senate majority. If they win at least 51 seats, even by razor-thin margins, they’ll consider the results absolutely lawful and will sneer at any who suggest recounts or that elections were “stolen.”

229 austin_blue  Sep 29, 2014 6:53:01pm

re: #225 b.d.

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Uh-oh. That’s probably a passenger through DFW.

230 b.d.  Sep 29, 2014 6:54:19pm

re: #229 austin_blue

Hopefully/probably another false alarm.

231 Belafon  Sep 29, 2014 6:54:39pm

re: #225 b.d.

Ebola would arrive in the US via commercial airliner.

232 teleskiguy  Sep 29, 2014 6:56:03pm

re: #225 b.d.

OK, ebola is bad, very bad. I wouldn’t wish an ebola infection on my worst enemies.

But it’s being used as a bludgeon by crazy conservatives who say that it’s a plot to subjugate U.S. citizens and it will be transmitted via illegals on the southern border. It’s disgusting.

And the fact of the matter is, though it has a very high mortality rate ebola is a piddling little disease compared to the 1918 flu pandemic.

233 The Ghost of a Flea  Sep 29, 2014 6:57:50pm

I swear I’m not being paid to upsell Fred Clark.

He’s got a two-part essay that I think deserves attention:

The white evangelical tribe is, itself, post-evangelical
The white evangelical tribe is, itself, post-evangelical (cont)

Again, this partisan identification of evangelicalism with the Republican Party is theologically significant. When white evangelicals answer the question “Who do we say that we are?” with “Republicans,” they will inevitably also end up answering Jesus’ question in Matthew’s Gospel — “Who do you say that I am?” — the same way. And upon that rock they will build their church.

The man does a wonderful job of articulating what’s so wrong with the intersection of politics and faith in this country.

234 teleskiguy  Sep 29, 2014 7:02:26pm

re: #223 Charles Johnson

@Green_Footballs: Going into November, you can expect a whole lot of insane, dishonest agitation from right wing media about nonexistent voter fraud.

31 votes considered fraudulent, out of one billion votes cast.

235 dog philosopher  Sep 29, 2014 7:19:13pm

re: #228 Targetpractice

Only if they fail to take the Senate majority. If they win at least 51 seats, even by razor-thin margins, they’ll consider the results absolutely lawful and will sneer at any who suggest recounts or that elections were “stolen.”

i still haven’t gotten over how in 2000 people were saying “oh, enough votes have been counted already, we don’t need to count them all

i thought yes we do fercrissakes there’s a presidential election at stake

236 CriticalDragon1177  Sep 29, 2014 7:21:42pm

re: #179 Pie-onist Overlord

Ben Shapiro wants to be Pam Geller when he grows up:

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I heard. I thought about doing a post on that. I still might at this point.

237 Pie-onist Overlord  Sep 29, 2014 7:25:21pm

re: #236 CriticalDragon1177

I heard. I thought about doing a post on that. I still might at this point.

Be my guest.

238 CriticalDragon1177  Sep 29, 2014 7:25:51pm

re: #128 CriticalDragon1177

Here’s an update, apparently Fishhead or nmarsh669 doesn’t know much about the history of the world, in addition to having a persecution complex.

239 Pie-onist Overlord  Sep 29, 2014 7:27:12pm

re: #238 CriticalDragon1177

Here’s an update, apparently Fishhead or nmarsh669 doesn’t know much about the history of the world.

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Christians did tend to enslave Blacks more than whites.

240 Kid A  Sep 29, 2014 7:27:14pm

I stood up and cheered after reading this:
newsweek.com

241 wrenchwench  Sep 29, 2014 7:28:12pm

Later, lizards.

242 jaunte  Sep 29, 2014 7:28:49pm

re: #238 CriticalDragon1177

when did Christians discriminate against blacks?

Either incredibly ignorant or a ‘no true Christian’ fallacy.

243 Decatur Deb  Sep 29, 2014 7:29:06pm

re: #238 CriticalDragon1177

“It is appalling that the most segregated hour of Christian America is eleven o’clock on Sunday morning.”
—MLK

phil.vt.edu

244 teleskiguy  Sep 29, 2014 7:29:44pm
245 teleskiguy  Sep 29, 2014 7:31:34pm
246 CriticalDragon1177  Sep 29, 2014 7:31:56pm

re: #239 Pie-onist Overlord

Christians did tend to enslave Blacks more than whites.

Yeah, I know, even “Fishhead” has probably heard of the African Slave trade. Wouldn’t be surprised if he blames that on evolution through, despite the fact that the idea didn’t even exist at the time it began. Also Charles Darwin opposed slavery, and was extremely tolerant and anti racist for his time.

Darwin’s Anti-Slavery Views May Have Guided His Theory of Evolution
blogs.discovermagazine.com

247 teleskiguy  Sep 29, 2014 7:33:13pm
248 CriticalDragon1177  Sep 29, 2014 7:36:55pm

re: #242 jaunte

Either incredibly ignorant or a ‘no true Christian’ fallacy.

Maybe both, although its probably more of the latter. Almost everyone in the US knows about apartheid and Jim Crow.

249 CriticalDragon1177  Sep 29, 2014 7:38:45pm

re: #243 Decatur Deb

“It is appalling that the most segregated hour of Christian America is eleven o’clock on Sunday morning.”
—MLK

phil.vt.edu

Knowing what we know about King, if he were alive today he’d be an opponent of the religious right, especially when it comes to gay rights, and Islamophobia.

250 Interesting Times  Sep 29, 2014 7:39:11pm

re: #245 teleskiguy

Had that happened today, the congressman would have his very own GoFundMe page.

251 Decatur Deb  Sep 29, 2014 7:42:19pm

re: #249 CriticalDragon1177

Knowing what we know about King, if he were alive today he’d be an opponent of the religious right, especially when it comes to gay rights, and Islamophobia.

Don’t be too comfortable with the inclusiveness of southern Black pastors. We’ve had Dem meetings break down into homophobic rants by respected elders. The strong CR contributions of the churches comes with a price.

252 Belafon  Sep 29, 2014 7:45:23pm

re: #251 Decatur Deb

But we’re talking about MLK.

253 BlueSpotinAL  Sep 29, 2014 7:45:39pm

re: #245 teleskiguy

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If the shooting happened today, would any in the House of Representatives today wear a wrist band that said “I am Rep. Heflin?”

254 teleskiguy  Sep 29, 2014 7:45:45pm

The weather here has been wet and gloomy all day. The skies are clearing now. Just fired up the pellet stove for the first time since last spring. It’s gonna be cold tonight. I guess I should cover up my squash and zucchini plants outside.

255 gwangung  Sep 29, 2014 7:46:44pm

re: #251 Decatur Deb

Don’t be too comfortable with the inclusiveness of southern Black pastors. We’ve had Dem meetings break down into homophobic rants by respected elders. The strong CR contributions of the churches comes with a price.

Hm, when it comes to gay rights, I think there’d be a split; there are quite a few African American churches that are gay friendly (particularly in urban areas). I suspect that MLK Jr. would use his influence to tamp down the differences and have the movement present a united front.

On Islamophobia, though….they’d be united against it. It’s uncomfortably close in tactics to Jim Crow (and there were, I think, all sorts of alliances with black Islamic churches).

256 Belafon  Sep 29, 2014 7:46:46pm

re: #248 CriticalDragon1177

How the bible was used to justify slavery, and abolition, before the Civil War: religion.blogs.cnn.com.

257 Decatur Deb  Sep 29, 2014 7:48:21pm

re: #252 Belafon

But we’re talking about MLK.

Yeah.

“In 1960, while leading the push for a strong civil rights plank at the Democratic Party convention, Rustin was attacked by Congressman Adam Clayton Powell, Jr. as an “immoral element” in the civil rights movement. According to D’Emilio’s
book, Powell, Jr. phoned King and threatened to publicly charge that King and Rustin were lovers.

King withdrew his support for the protest and removed Rustin from his staff.

258 Decatur Deb  Sep 29, 2014 7:49:20pm

re: #253 BlueSpotinAL

If the shooting happened today, would any in the House of Representatives today wear a wrist band that said “I am Rep. Heflin?”

I wonder if he was our (AL) Howell Heflin’s father.

259 CriticalDragon1177  Sep 29, 2014 7:49:22pm

re: #251 Decatur Deb

Don’t be too comfortable with the inclusiveness of southern Black pastors. We’ve had Dem meetings break down into homophobic rants by respected elders. The strong CR contributions of the churches comes with a price.

His wife was a supporter of gay rights, including marriage equality. Martin Luther King, most likely would have agreed with her.

Coretta Scott King gives her support to gay marriage
usatoday30.usatoday.com

Remember the words of Coretta Scott King, speaking of gay civil rights
americablog.com

We also know that her husband was very liberal.

Martin Luther King Was A Liberal Progressive Who Favored Left Wing Causes & Don’t You Forget It
thedailybanter.com

260 Decatur Deb  Sep 29, 2014 7:52:59pm

re: #259 CriticalDragon1177

His wife was a supporter of gay rights, including marriage equality. Martin Luther King, most likely would have agreed with her.

Coretta Scott King gives her support to gay marriage
usatoday30.usatoday.com

Remember the words of Coretta Scott King, speaking of gay civil rights
americablog.com

We also know that her husband was very liberal.

Martin Luther King Was A Liberal Progressive Who Favored Left Wing Causes & Don’t You Forget It
thedailybanter.com

Don’t retrofit the Left of the 2000’s to the Left of the 60s. We also ‘evolve”.

261 gwangung  Sep 29, 2014 7:54:27pm

re: #260 Decatur Deb

Don’t retrofit the Left of the 2000’s to the Left of the 60s. We also ‘evolve”.

Hm….I’m thinking of the 1980s…

262 CriticalDragon1177  Sep 29, 2014 7:56:10pm

re: #260 Decatur Deb

Don’t retrofit the Left of the 2000’s to the Left of the 60s. We also ‘evolve”.

True, but we can also look at how his wife behaved, and I have a feeling he would have ended up doing the same.

263 Decatur Deb  Sep 29, 2014 7:57:01pm

re: #261 gwangung

Hm….I’m thinking of the 1980s…

I’m getting lost—MLK was killed in 68. He was great, but he can’t be co-opted for every fight.

264 Decatur Deb  Sep 29, 2014 7:59:50pm

re: #262 CriticalDragon1177

True, but we can also look at how his wife behaved, and I have a feeling he would have ended up doing the same.

Her quotes were made 30 years later. By then she certainly saw the convergence of the struggle.

(Remember, MLK lost a good bit of support when he fused the civil rights movement with the anti-war struggle.)

265 gwangung  Sep 29, 2014 8:01:33pm

re: #263 Decatur Deb

I’m getting lost—MLK was killed in 68. He was great, but he can’t be co-opted for every fight.

You know, a lot of the same people who were with MLK in the late 60s were active in civil rights in the 1970s and 1980s.

And I saw them in action and heard what they said.

We’re not talking a big gulf of time here.

266 Decatur Deb  Sep 29, 2014 8:05:34pm

re: #265 gwangung

You know, a lot of the same people who were with MLK in the late 60s were active in civil rights in the 1970s and 1980s.

And I saw them in action and heard what they said.

We’re not talking a big gulf of time here.

The pastor I cited above might have been one of them. When I was doing Obama GOTV in North Florida, I only hit two obstacles in the black neighborhoods—felony convictions and people whose church leaders hit PBO for his gay rights and abortion positions, luke-warm as they were.

267 HappyWarrior  Sep 29, 2014 8:08:41pm

Understand what DD is saying but MLK did stand by Bayard Rustin when many wanted him to abandon him because he was a gay Marxist. No matter. Fact is the same spirit that pushed MLK’s drive for equal racial rights is the same drive that pushes today for equal rights regardless of sexual orientation.

268 HappyWarrior  Sep 29, 2014 8:09:55pm

re: #258 Decatur Deb

I wonder if he was our (AL) Howell Heflin’s father.

Uncle. Thomas Heflin was Howell Heflin’s uncle.

269 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Sep 29, 2014 8:10:40pm

This whole MLK convo reminds me of how people try to retrofit stuff in Jesus’ mouth, or Abe Lincoln’s. Historical figures are just as complicated as we all are. My opinion is that we should leave it at that.

270 HappyWarrior  Sep 29, 2014 8:12:01pm

re: #269 Rev_Arthur_Belling

This whole MLK convo reminds me of how people try to retrofit stuff in Jesus’ mouth, or Abe Lincoln’s. Historical figures are just as complicated as we all are. My opinion is that we should leave it at that.

I have to agree with that. I admire MLK, Lincoln, and also the Founding Fathers but at the same time I realize that they were products of their times.

271 HappyWarrior  Sep 29, 2014 8:12:32pm

I have no doubt that I will probably feel like a moderate to the liberals of my children and grandchildren’s generation.

272 goddamnedfrank  Sep 29, 2014 8:13:01pm

re: #251 Decatur Deb

Don’t be too comfortable with the inclusiveness of southern Black pastors. We’ve had Dem meetings break down into homophobic rants by respected elders. The strong CR contributions of the churches comes with a price.

King wasn’t like the Black pastors you met with. One of his closest, most trusted advisors was Bayard Rustin. They were so close that Strom Thurmond attempted to slander King by suggesting the two were lovers, introducing an FBI surveillance photograph of Rustin talking to King while King was taking a bath. Bayard’s sexual orientation was never a secret, yet Rustin was one of the few people King trusted completely.

273 HappyWarrior  Sep 29, 2014 8:15:48pm

re: #272 goddamnedfrank

King wasn’t like the Black pastors you met with. One of his closest, most trusted advisors was Bayard Rustin. They were so close that Strom Thurmond attempted to slander King by suggesting the two were lovers, introducing an FBI surveillance photograph of Rustin talking to King while King was taking a bath. Bayard’s sexual orientation was never a secret, yet Rustin was one of the few people King trusted completely.

Speaking of Strom Thurmond, I can’t think of anyone in recent Senate history who has his own history white washed so much. I mean we all heard about Robert Byrd’s past and understandably so but Thurmond’s past as the standard bearer for a party whose sole purpose was to uphold segregation, the man with the longest filibuster on record )to protest civil rights), and other racism has been pretty much forgotten.

274 Decatur Deb  Sep 29, 2014 8:16:33pm

re: #273 HappyWarrior

Speaking of Strom Thurmond, I can’t think of anyone in recent Senate history who has his own history white washed so much. I mean we all heard about Robert Byrd’s past and understandably so but Thurmond’s past as the standard bearer for a party whose sole purpose was to uphold segregation, the man with the longest filibuster on record )to protest civil rights), and other racism has been pretty much forgotten.

Good.

275 Timothy Watson  Sep 29, 2014 8:17:04pm

Castle season premiere spoiler alert:

276 William Barnett-Lewis  Sep 29, 2014 8:18:22pm

re: #243 Decatur Deb

“It is appalling that the most segregated hour of Christian America is eleven o’clock on Sunday morning.”
—MLK

phil.vt.edu

Pisses me off that it still is. Galations 3:28 anyone? Feh.

277 William Barnett-Lewis  Sep 29, 2014 8:23:01pm

re: #251 Decatur Deb

Don’t be too comfortable with the inclusiveness of southern Black pastors. We’ve had Dem meetings break down into homophobic rants by respected elders. The strong CR contributions of the churches comes with a price.

I know what you’re saying about the majority of the SBC. I see it often enough in the Fox watching bishops of the Episcopal Church.

That said, MLK was, truly, one of the Lord’s prophets. I’d like to believe he’d have tried to fight for what was right anyway.

It sucks when there are so many out there making you embarrassed to be what you believe you are. Not persecution (despite what _they_ claim), just pure fucking embarrassment…

278 Decatur Deb  Sep 29, 2014 8:26:35pm

re: #277 William Barnett-Lewis

I know what you’re saying about the majority of the SBC. I see it often enough in the Fox watching bishops of the Episcopal Church.

That said, MLK was, truly, one of the Lord’s prophets. I’d like to believe he’d have tried to fight for what was right anyway.

It sucks when there are so many out there making you embarrassed to be what you believe you are. Not persecution (despite what _they_ claim), just pure fucking embarrassment…

Simply put, the question wasn’t going to be asked. Stonewall didn’t happen until the year after MLK was killed. He was here for a different fight.

279 RealityBasedSteve  Sep 29, 2014 8:36:01pm

One of my facebook friends just posted a recipe for a no-carb pizza.

Crust
7 cups shredded Mozzarella
7 eggs
1 TBS Oregano
1 TBS Basil

Mix, spread on ungreased cookie sheet, bake at 450 for 15 minutes.

Remove, top with desired toppings,

Bake another 10 minutes.

0 carbs, but a cardiologist somewhere is smiling at the fact that his boat payments are covered for a while.

280 William Barnett-Lewis  Sep 29, 2014 8:37:13pm

re: #279 RealityBasedSteve

One of my facebook friends just posted a recipe for a no-carb pizza.

Crust
7 cups shredded Mozzarella
7 eggs
1 TBS Oregano
1 TBS Basil

Mix, spread on ungreased cookie sheet, bake at 450 for 15 minutes.

Remove, top with desired toppings,

Bake another 10 minutes.

0 carbs, but a cardiologist somewhere is smiling at the fact that his boat payments are covered for a while.

EW! Do I need to post my pizza recipe again?

281 RealityBasedSteve  Sep 29, 2014 8:38:57pm

re: #280 William Barnett-Lewis

EW! Do I need to post my pizza recipe again?

<Edit I mean anything would be better than the recipe I posted, I’m not casting asparagus at your pizza>
Almost anything would be better than that. I see it coming out greasy, and imagine that it would be horrible cold. Please do.

RBS
Who loves his carbs, eats beans and rice because he WANTS to.

282 teleskiguy  Sep 29, 2014 8:39:33pm

re: #279 RealityBasedSteve

One of my facebook friends just posted a recipe for a no-carb pizza.

Crust
7 cups shredded Mozzarella
7 eggs
1 TBS Oregano
1 TBS Basil

Mix, spread on ungreased cookie sheet, bake at 450 for 15 minutes.

Remove, top with desired toppings,

Bake another 10 minutes.

0 carbs, but a cardiologist somewhere is smiling at the fact that his boat payments are covered for a while.

re: #280 William Barnett-Lewis

EW! Do I need to post my pizza recipe again?

BEHOLD! The Pizza Cake!

283 RealityBasedSteve  Sep 29, 2014 8:43:18pm

re: #282 teleskiguy

BEHOLD! The Pizza Cake!

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I know what I’m bringing to the next Potluck I go to.

RBS

284 HappyWarrior  Sep 29, 2014 8:44:29pm

re: #282 teleskiguy

BEHOLD! The Pizza Cake!

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Mmmm artery clogging.

285 Decatur Deb  Sep 29, 2014 8:45:24pm

Gots no pineapple.

286 RealityBasedSteve  Sep 29, 2014 8:46:14pm

re: #285 Decatur Deb

Gots no pineapple.

Pineapple Upside Down Pizza Cake.

RBS

287 William Barnett-Lewis  Sep 29, 2014 8:49:50pm

re: #281 RealityBasedSteve

<Edit I mean anything would be better than the recipe I posted, I’m not casting asparagus at your pizza>
Almost anything would be better than that. I see it coming out greasy, and imagine that it would be horrible cold. Please do.

RBS
Who loves his carbs, eats beans and rice because he WANTS to.

Two cups flour
2 tsp baking powder
1 tsp salt (needs this much. Skipping is a bad idea. Trust me.)
1/4 cup oil (I like olive. Adds color and flavor to the crust.)
2/3 cup milk

Mix till everything’s wet, then kneed 10 times. Roll out on sheet,

Add your idea of toppings. For us, sauce, pepperoni, & 1/2 lb + of mozzi or sauce, Ham, Pineapple & Mozzi. Hamburger works well too as does the classic margherita style pizza.

425 degrees for 20 to 25 minutes depending on your oven & tastes. Older I get the closer to 20 minutes I get. YMWV.

288 RealityBasedSteve  Sep 29, 2014 8:55:01pm

re: #287 William Barnett-Lewis

Two cups flour
2 tsp baking powder
1 tsp salt (needs this much. Skipping is a bad idea. Trust me.)
1/4 cup oil (I like olive. Adds color and flavor to the crust.)
2/3 cup milk

Mix till everything’s wet, then kneed 10 times. Roll out on sheet,

Add your idea of toppings. For us, sauce, pepperoni, & 1/2 lb + of mozzi or sauce, Ham, Pineapple & Mozzi. Hamburger works well too as does the classic margherita style pizza.

425 degrees for 20 to 25 minutes depending on your oven & tastes. Older I get the closer to 20 minutes I get. YMWV.

I may just knock that out this friday. I know what you mean about salt, I once made a whole batch of bread dough and forgot it. First taste I took I knew what was missing…

RBS

289 teleskiguy  Sep 29, 2014 8:58:47pm

re: #285 Decatur Deb

Gots no pineapple.

Canadian bacon and pineapple (and if I’m feeling saucy some jalapeño) is my favorite favorite favorite pizza toppings.

290 Stanley Sea  Sep 29, 2014 9:05:30pm

Signing off. Good night now!

291 sagehen  Sep 29, 2014 9:13:22pm

re: #238 CriticalDragon1177

Here’s an update, apparently Fishhead or nmarsh669 doesn’t know much about the history of the world, in addition to having a persecution complex.

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The whole reason the Southern Baptist denomination even EXISTS is because the Baptist denomination decided to become abolitionists. This caused a schism, the Southern Baptists were absolutely committed to slavery with every fiber of their being, they cherry-picked biblical verses to justify it…

292 Kragar  Sep 29, 2014 9:15:06pm

re: #289 teleskiguy

Canadian bacon and pineapple (and if I’m feeling saucy some jalapeño) is my favorite favorite favorite pizza toppings.

So, you’re evil incarnate is what you’re saying

293 FemNaziBitch  Sep 29, 2014 9:15:35pm
294 teleskiguy  Sep 29, 2014 9:16:39pm

re: #292 Kragar

So, you’re evil incarnate is what you’re saying

BWAHAHAHA!!!

295 WhatEVs  Sep 29, 2014 9:21:20pm

re: #293 FemNaziBitch

Strange article:
CHICAGO-BASED FEDERAL JUDGE ENVISIONS ‘RAPE LICENSE’ FOR ‘RIGHT TO RAPE’

Indeed. But I’m feeling the need to check the source material. The author doesn’t instill confidence.

296 FemNaziBitch  Sep 29, 2014 9:23:51pm

re: #295 WhatEVs

Indeed. But I’m feeling the need to check the source material. The author doesn’t instill confidence.

Nor the website. I get their emails.

Keep one’s enemies close.

297 CriticalDragon1177  Sep 29, 2014 9:24:19pm

re: #293 FemNaziBitch

Strange article:
CHICAGO-BASED FEDERAL JUDGE ENVISIONS ‘RAPE LICENSE’ FOR ‘RIGHT TO RAPE’

Sick, evil and misogynistic are a better description for that, assuming the site isn’t taking Posner out of context, which I have a feeling they are. Rape by definition is never consensual.

I’m going to have to see much more mainstream writers talk about that before I believe it. If I do I’ll be horrified.

298 FemNaziBitch  Sep 29, 2014 9:25:36pm
299 WhatEVs  Sep 29, 2014 9:28:56pm

re: #298 FemNaziBitch

This seems even stranger

What a load of shit. My poor home state. (Sigh)

300 FemNaziBitch  Sep 29, 2014 9:32:37pm

bbl

301 Decatur Deb  Sep 29, 2014 9:33:20pm

re: #297 CriticalDragon1177

Sick, evil and misogynistic are a better description for that, assuming the site isn’t taking Posner out of context, which I have a feeling they are. Rape by definition is never consensual.

I’m going to have to see much more mainstream writers talk about that before I believe it. If I do I’ll be horrified.

As best I can read the legalese, the Reagan-appointed judge is doing a convoluted thought experiment that comes out against rape. This article, and the one following are RWNJ hit pieces on other Republicans. Screw ‘em.

302 goddamnedfrank  Sep 29, 2014 9:35:52pm

re: #293 FemNaziBitch

Strange article:
CHICAGO-BASED FEDERAL JUDGE ENVISIONS ‘RAPE LICENSE’ FOR ‘RIGHT TO RAPE’

Conservative butthurt, deliberate ignorance and poor reading comprehension. The author is either fool, or intentionally misrepresenting Posner’s arguments, or both.

303 Charles Johnson  Sep 29, 2014 9:36:36pm

re: #293 FemNaziBitch

Strange article:
CHICAGO-BASED FEDERAL JUDGE ENVISIONS ‘RAPE LICENSE’ FOR ‘RIGHT TO RAPE’

Matt Barber is a completely insane homophobic right wing lunatic, and you can safely assume anything he writes is garbage.

304 goddamnedfrank  Sep 29, 2014 9:38:56pm

re: #297 CriticalDragon1177

Sick, evil and misogynistic are a better description for that, assuming the site isn’t taking Posner out of context, which I have a feeling they are. Rape by definition is never consensual.

I’m going to have to see much more mainstream writers talk about that before I believe it. If I do I’ll be horrified.

Most of the reasons for not making marital rape a crime have lost force with time,” he laments.

Of late a fanciful meme has taken root among the “progressive” left. It’s one that imagines ours as a patriarchal “rape culture,” which fosters an environment wherein women are systematically raped with impunity (especially on our nation’scollege campuses).

Apparently, the solution is for chicks to pierce and tattoo themselves, declare “slut pride” and parade nude in “slut walks” across the globe. But that’s an outlier.

I finally get it. Posner is the “rape culture.”

So much fucking butthurt. Did the author miss the “not” in Posner’s sentence or are they just writing for an audience too retarded and over-credulous to notice.

305 Decatur Deb  Sep 29, 2014 9:39:34pm

re: #302 goddamnedfrank

Conservative butthurt, deliberate ignorance and poor reading comprehension. The author is either fool, or intentionally misrepresenting Posner’s arguments, or both.

Think the ‘license’ discussed is a technical term for ‘lawfulness’ (Latin ‘licet’).

306 WhatEVs  Sep 29, 2014 9:43:09pm

re: #302 goddamnedfrank

Conservative butthurt, deliberate ignorance and poor reading comprehension. The author is either fool, or intentionally misrepresenting Posner’s arguments, or both.

Matt Barbor. Everything I’ve ever read from him is DERP

307 De Kolta Chair  Sep 29, 2014 9:46:44pm

Warning — NSFW

308 Decatur Deb  Sep 29, 2014 9:50:02pm

‘Nite, all.

309 nsmith25  Sep 29, 2014 9:50:29pm

I was really about to go to sleep…

310 goddamnedfrank  Sep 29, 2014 9:54:48pm
“But,” continues Posner - I didn’t know there were any “buts” when it comes to rape - “But some rapists derive extra pleasure from the fact that the woman has not consented. For these rapists, there is no market substitute … and it could be argued therefore that, for them, rape is not a purely coercive transfer and should not be punished if the pleasure to the rapist (as measured by what he would be willing to pay - though not to the victim - for the right to rape) exceeds the victim’s physical and emotional pain. There are practical objections [No, really? Practical objections to rape?] … but the fact that any sort of rape license is even thinkable [what kind of bigoted rape-o-phobe would suggest otherwise?] … is a limitation on the usefulness of that theory.

When you strike out the dumbshittery you can see that Posner is quite plainly pointing out the goddamned horrifying inadequacy of a purely cold, economic, quantitative comparison analysis, pitting the pleasure / benefit to the rapist vs. the victim’s pain. I’m quite certain there are entire sections about the intrinsic rights of a person to control how their own body is used that are being deliberately left out here.

311 The War TARDIS  Sep 29, 2014 9:56:38pm

Fuck Football (Or as it should be called, either Soft Rugby, or Handegg)

312 CriticalDragon1177  Sep 29, 2014 9:56:42pm

re: #303 Charles Johnson

Matt Barber is a completely insane homophobic right wing lunatic, and you can safely assume anything he writes is garbage.

I have a feeling he’s probably also a liar now as well.

313 nsmith25  Sep 29, 2014 9:57:41pm

There are some in the protests who are very worried tonight. The Police are filming now, and there have been reports of agitators and informants trying to infiltrate the protests. If the police can take the narrative over, that going to be some bad shit.

314 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Sep 29, 2014 9:57:51pm

So it appears the cops in Ferguson are getting out of hand again tonight.

315 nsmith25  Sep 29, 2014 10:00:17pm

All these people over these many days of protest that are arrested, but the only person in this whole situation who actually killed someone is free on paid vacation

316 The War TARDIS  Sep 29, 2014 10:02:54pm

re: #311 The War TARDIS

Seriously, I decided to stop looking at any Football after I saw this video from Keith Olbermann’s ESPN show several months ago.

Youtube Video

They don’t give a damn about women or children, with regard to Adrian Peterson, or Ray Rice. They care not one whit about Native Americans either, with their support of Dan Snyder.

Screw that stupid sport.

317 Chez Ko Pe  Sep 29, 2014 10:09:02pm

re: #45 HappyWarrior

It’s funny because the Romneys kept telling us that Pater never really wanted to be President.

I guess he keeps trying because he just wuvs America sooooo much, and wants to save us from ourselves.

318 goddamnedfrank  Sep 29, 2014 10:11:49pm

Posner has also, it should be noted, changed his mind drastically on gay marriage.

Of interest to lawyers, judges, legislators, legal academics, and others concerned with public policy about sex, the book also sets forth a moder- ately libertarian argument about the efficacy of the social control of private sexual behavior. Posner concludes on the basis of “cost-benefit analysis” (rather than principle) that we should, for the most part, abandon all attempts to steer or control purely private, consensual sexual behavior through the criminal law. However, for a range of self-styled “pragmatic” reasons, Posner concludes that we can and should do little else to create a social world more tolerant and accepting of nonheterosexual and nonmari- tal life styles Thus, while the author advocates decriminalization of homosexual and heterosexual sodomy, for example, he counsels against lifting the ban on homosexuals in the military4 and refuses to endorse extending the option of state-recognized marriage to homosexual couples.5 All of these projects-the socio-historical survey of sexuality, the socio- biological theory of sex, and the libertarian-pragmatic arguments for mod- est and, for the most part, uncontroversial legal reform-are sure to attract many interested readers and, because of the judicial and academic prominence of the author, large numbers of critics from a variety of legal and nonlegal disciplines as well.

Also, his opinion on rape back then was kind of free markety and weird, but this shows he was in no way advocating a rape license.

I will comment only briefly on the second “liberal-sounding” implication of Posner’s conception of the rationality of individual sexual choice be-cause I have addressed it in detail elsewhere.7 ° From a Posnerian perspec-
tive, our sex, like our labor, our capital, or any other asset, should be
understood as a commodity to be traded in social or intimate markets in
exchange for some reciprocal bundle of goods-money, fidelity, pleasure-
toward the personal and societal end of maximizing wealth. This “commodification” theory of sex, in turn, implies a particular conception
of the wrongness of rape: to take the asset of sex by force instead of by a consensual transaction short-circuits the standard market mechanism-a face-to-face consensual bargain-for ensuring that wealth is maximized, and does so in circumstances in which there are no transaction costs that might justify a bypass of the market. A rapist, Posner insists, is essentially a “sex thief’; 71 rape is the theft of one’s sexuality. Rape is therefore wrong, and criminal, for the same reason that any theft of property-any nonconsensual transfer of assets without transaction costs that might jus- tify bypassing the market-is wrong and criminal. Whatever might have been believed in the past, or presently is believed by feminists or moralists, the wrongness of rape inheres in the property right of each individual to his or her own body and his or her own sexual services, and in the gain in wealth and efficiency that comes from permitting each individual sovereignpower to decide how that commodity (like any commodity) might be put to use.

So Posner, in his rush to reduce everything about sexuality down to a “morally neutral” market simplism, did kind of either miss or ignore the inherent violence and control aspects of rape, but he does quite clearly define it as ALWAYS FUCKING WRONG.

319 nsmith25  Sep 29, 2014 10:15:14pm
320 teleskiguy  Sep 29, 2014 10:15:15pm

re: #316 The War TARDIS

Seriously, I decided to stop looking at any Football after I saw this video from Keith Olbermann’s ESPN show several months ago.

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They don’t give a damn about women or children, with regard to Adrian Peterson, or Ray Rice. They care not one whit about Native Americans either, with their support of Dan Snyder.

Screw that stupid sport.

Amen brother.

321 Chez Ko Pe  Sep 29, 2014 10:18:26pm

re: #186 JustMark

How will she know who’s a Muslim?

THEY ARE ALL BROWN, I HEAR

322 teleskiguy  Sep 29, 2014 10:22:57pm

re: #316 The War TARDIS

Stunning video. Thanks for sharing. Hardens my resolve to never watch another NFL game again.

323 goddamnedfrank  Sep 29, 2014 10:26:54pm

re: #317 Chez Ko Pe

It’s funny because the Romneys kept telling us that Pater never really wanted to be President.

I guess he keeps trying because he just wuvs America sooooo much, and wants to save us from ourselves.

324 William Barnett-Lewis  Sep 29, 2014 10:27:22pm

re: #316 The War TARDIS

Seriously, I decided to stop looking at any Football after I saw this video from Keith Olbermann’s ESPN show several months ago.

[Embedded content]

They don’t give a damn about women or children, with regard to Adrian Peterson, or Ray Rice. They care not one whit about Native Americans either, with their support of Dan Snyder.

Screw that stupid sport.

Took me a bit longer though I did walk way this year.

Not an easy thing for me - the oldest memory I have is of a B&W tv flickering while Bart Starr makes a TD pass to Max McGee in Super Bowl 1. Hard to break out of 47 years of history when you’re only 51 years old. Still I watch Arsenal this year with as much fervor as as an all too well aware convert can bring to the beautiful game…

325 teleskiguy  Sep 29, 2014 10:30:49pm

attn: ProLifeLiberal

326 teleskiguy  Sep 29, 2014 10:35:21pm

Doug Kotar’s Wikipedia page is depressingly devoid of details of the man.

327 klys  Sep 30, 2014 12:23:53am

I can tell you which one I would wear first.

328 goddamnedfrank  Sep 30, 2014 12:35:36am
Why Ted Cruz Could Win in 2016

Article basically states the obvious, one way or another all the current GOP alternatives are pretty much fucked, so odds are decent he’ll get the nomination.

Creepy Tapioca Elemental for President!

329 Dr Lizardo  Sep 30, 2014 12:50:42am

Looks like Paul Thomas Anderson’s latest film will soon be out - Inherent Vice, from the 2009 novel by Thomas Pynchon.

Youtube Video

Looks pretty good, and I’m looking forward to seeing it. Paul Thomas Anderson is one of my favorite writer/directors.

330 freetoken  Sep 30, 2014 12:54:34am
331 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Sep 30, 2014 1:04:11am

re: #329 Dr Lizardo

Looks like Paul Thomas Anderson’s latest film will soon be out - Inherent Vice, from the 2009 novel by Thomas Pynchon.

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Video

Looks pretty good, and I’m looking forward to seeing it. Paul Thomas Anderson is one of my favorite writer/directors.

I read the book and was not impressed, but the film (or at least the trailer) seems to bring out the better parts of it

332 Dr Lizardo  Sep 30, 2014 1:15:31am

re: #331 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

I read the book and was not impressed, but the film (or at least the trailer) seems to bring out the better parts of it

I trust Anderson on this one; he’s one of the best directors out there working today. His films are pretty much solid Academy Award material. I was turned onto him with Boogie Nights, which remains - in my opinion - one of the best American films of the last 30 or 40 years.

333 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Sep 30, 2014 1:32:06am

re: #328 goddamnedfrank

He needs a beard, a green hat and a pot of gold.

334 goddamnedfrank  Sep 30, 2014 2:24:24am

re: #333 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

Just for you.

Nightmare Fuel

335 Targetpractice  Sep 30, 2014 2:43:47am

re: #328 goddamnedfrank

Article basically states the obvious, one way or another all the current GOP alternatives are pretty much fucked, so odds are decent he’ll get the nomination.

Creepy Tapioca Elemental for President!

Certainly states the obvious…before dissolving into an act of fellatio that, were it done on any more public a forum, would be considered obscene in the extreme. To call it “gushing” would be an understatement.

Seriously, what is the GOP field next year?

Perry’s under indictment, while Walker and Christie are under the same gun. Nobody seems to take Jeb Bush seriously as a candidate, nor does the talk of Mitt Romney running again seem to be more than the desperation of an establishment bereft of more acceptable alternatives. Aqua Budda is a joke, if only because he has to compromise everything he supposedly believes to be seen as electable. And while there are some 2012 “also-rans” who will probably pop up again (Santorum & Gingrich top the list), there’s nobody out there really beating down their doors for another run.

336 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Sep 30, 2014 2:46:42am

You summed it up: Cruz has not been around long enough to do anything indictable and he has so far said only things that please the base.

The ideal GOP candidate is a bit of blank slate onto which voters can project their image of an what they want in a candidate.

337 Targetpractice  Sep 30, 2014 2:50:47am

re: #336 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

You summed it up: Cruz has not been around long enough to do anything indictable and he has so far said only things that please the base.

The ideal GOP candidate is a bit of blank slate onto which voters can project their image of an what they want in a candidate.

Yep, it’s why Ben Carson is also so popular with the base, he’s somebody with no political history to compare to the shit he’s selling to anybody who will listen. If he runs, I don’t think he’ll come close to the nomination. But I do think he will be seen as a top VP choice.

338 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Sep 30, 2014 2:54:05am

re: #337 Targetpractice

Yep, it’s why Ben Carson is also so popular with the base, he’s somebody with no political history to compare to the shit he’s selling to anybody who will listen. If he runs, I don’t think he’ll come close to the nomination. But I do think he will be seen as a top VP choice.

…so that anyone criticizing him can immediately be accused of racism. A cunning tactical ploy.

339 goddamnedfrank  Sep 30, 2014 3:00:02am

re: #336 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

You summed it up: Cruz has not been around long enough to do anything indictable and he has so far said only things that please the base.

The ideal GOP candidate is a bit of blank slate onto which voters can project their image of an what they want in a candidate.

The main problem Cruz faces is that there’s just no way he can soften his position on gay rights or abortion. The most he can probably do is stop calling birth control pills “abortifacients,” but it’s not like he’s going to actually reverse that stance either. He’s so massively socially conservative that general election voters will be overwhelmingly turned off, which means in a two way race he’ll still pull down the 35% or so of GOP dead enders and maybe another 5 to 10 percent on top of that at the absolute most. Minorities, gays and most women will run screaming from the guy.

On top of everything else he just as a very weird and off putting appearance, like Liberace mated with Joseph McCarthy.

340 Timothy Watson  Sep 30, 2014 3:02:57am

re: #335 Targetpractice

Certainly states the obvious…before dissolving into an act of fellatio that, were it done on any more public a forum, would be considered obscene in the extreme. To call it “gushing” would be an understatement.

Seriously, what is the GOP field next year?

Perry’s under indictment, while Walker and Christie are under the same gun. Nobody seems to take Jeb Bush seriously as a candidate, nor does the talk of Mitt Romney running again seem to be more than the desperation of an establishment bereft of more acceptable alternatives. Aqua Budda is a joke, if only because he has to compromise everything he supposedly believes to be seen as electable. And while there are some 2012 “also-rans” who will probably pop up again (Santorum & Gingrich top the list), there’s nobody out there really beating down their doors for another run.

I don’t think Gingrich will run, he’ll be as old as McCain was in 2008 come 2016 and I would wager he won’t want to get off the wingnut welfare line at CNN to run.

341 Targetpractice  Sep 30, 2014 3:07:33am

re: #339 goddamnedfrank

The main problem Cruz faces is that there’s just no way he can soften his position on gay rights or abortion. The most he can probably do is stop calling birth control pills “abortifacients,” but it’s not like he’s going to actually reverse that stance either. He’s so massively socially conservative that general election voters will be overwhelmingly turned off, which means in a two way race he’ll still pull down the 35% or so of GOP dead enders and maybe another 5 to 10 percent on top of that at the absolute most. Minorities, gays and most women will run screaming from the guy.

On top of everything else he just as a very weird and off putting appearance, like Liberace mated with Joseph McCarthy.

From the way he’s talked recently, I think Cruz is going to try to portray himself as the “common sense” candidate, trying to portray his radical stances as something “normal people” agree with inside the privacy of their own homes. Served up with a hearty dressing of “My opponent is Obama 2.0!”

342 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Sep 30, 2014 3:19:05am

re: #341 Targetpractice

From the way he’s talked recently, I think Cruz is going to try to portray himself as the “common sense” candidate, trying to portray his radical stances as something “normal people” agree with inside the privacy of their own homes. Served up with a hearty dressing of “My opponent is Obama 2.0!”

I believe that there are a lot of “normal” people who oppose abortions when talking about it in their homes, but nonetheless want to have the option available in the event that their daughter does not live up their own moral standards - or gets raped.

343 Varek Raith  Sep 30, 2014 3:22:57am

Hola.

344 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Sep 30, 2014 4:02:36am

re: #340 Timothy Watson

I don’t think Gingrich will run, he’ll be as old as McCain was in 2008 come 2016 and I would wager he won’t want to get off the wingnut welfare line at CNN to run.

Gingrich ran because Sheldon Adelson financed him to split the non-Romney vote. Otherwise Santorum could have possibly gained enough delegates to prompt an ugly floor fight at the convention.

345 Timothy Watson  Sep 30, 2014 4:05:09am

I was flipping through the radio stations last night while I was driving home and ended up on a wingnut talk radio station.

They had this guy on talking about how Obama was planning on stealing all our electricity to become a dictator (or something). He claimed electricity prices are going to double and usher in a new era of Marxist slavery (or something).

As absurd as that segment was, I think it was better than listening to that obnoxious “All About That Bass” song.

346 Flounder  Sep 30, 2014 4:25:07am

I hit a milestone on Sunday, I got down to my doctor’s suggested target weight of 235 on Sunday. How did I do it? I Eat one meal a day, lots of coffee, and I walk 4 miles every other day. I started in February of this year at a high of 344 pounds. I am taking all my fat pants to good will today!

347 Decatur Deb  Sep 30, 2014 4:30:23am

re: #346 Flounder

I hit a milestone on Sunday, I got down to my doctor’s suggested target weight of 235 on Sunday. How did I do it? I Eat one meal a day, lots of coffee, and I walk 4 miles every other day. I started in February of this year at a high of 344 pounds. I am taking all my fat pants to good will today!

Congratulations. Save one pair, for a trophy and a warning.

348 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Sep 30, 2014 4:33:02am

re: #346 Flounder

I hit a milestone on Sunday, I got down to my doctor’s suggested target weight of 235 on Sunday. How did I do it? I Eat one meal a day, lots of coffee, and I walk 4 miles every other day. I started in February of this year at a high of 344 pounds. I am taking all my fat pants to good will today!

I am trying to draw the line at size 40 waist trousers, I am loathe to go out and buy anything larger…I used to eat only twice a day and get out for 2-3 miles 2-3 times a week, but I have been a bit of a office-chair potato lately…

349 Varek Raith  Sep 30, 2014 4:40:57am

re: #346 Flounder

I hit a milestone on Sunday, I got down to my doctor’s suggested target weight of 235 on Sunday. How did I do it? I Eat one meal a day, lots of coffee, and I walk 4 miles every other day. I started in February of this year at a high of 344 pounds. I am taking all my fat pants to good will today!

Woot!

350 Pie-onist Overlord  Sep 30, 2014 5:41:01am

I’m still getting swarmed by idiots who think HURR HURR A BUNCH OF PEOPLE WITH GUNZ!!!!! WOULD HAV STOPPED TEH HOLOCAUST!!!!!!

Or just made it easier by eagerly volunteering to use THERE GUNZ to go round up Teh Juice.

351 Targetpractice  Sep 30, 2014 5:46:36am

re: #350 Pie-onist Overlord

I’m still getting swarmed by idiots who think HURR HURR A BUNCH OF PEOPLE WITH GUNZ!!!!! WOULD HAV STOPPED TEH HOLOCAUST!!!!!!

Or just made it easier by eagerly volunteering to use THERE GUNZ to go round up Teh Juice.

Ask them if a whole bunch of people with guns would have stopped the Japanese internment. Guarantee at least 95% will default to “THAT’S DIFFERENT!”

352 Pie-onist Overlord  Sep 30, 2014 5:49:01am

re: #351 Targetpractice

Ask them if a whole bunch of people with guns would have stopped the Japanese internment. Guarantee at least 95% will default to “THAT’S DIFFERENT!”

After attempting a conversation with the first few, there is no arguing with them.

353 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 30, 2014 5:52:54am

In Washington State, firefighters were able to save four of the five pet hamsters after a house fire:

354 Targetpractice  Sep 30, 2014 5:55:36am

re: #352 Pie-onist Overlord

After attempting a conversation with the first few, there is no arguing with them.

That’s because it’s become a part of their ideology, their dogma, that the only reason the Holocaust happened is that the people marched off to the camps didn’t have guns to defend themselves.

Meanwhile, if you ask any historian worth his salt, he’ll tell you the reason the Jews didn’t fight in the beginning because they were convinced that, as badly hated as they were, the people of Germany and the occupied territories would never condone mass murder. By the time they realized what was going on, they were already crammed into cattle cars and on their way to the camps.

355 Pie-onist Overlord  Sep 30, 2014 5:58:39am

re: #354 Targetpractice

That’s because it’s become a part of their ideology, their dogma, that the only reason the Holocaust happened is that the people marched off to the camps didn’t have guns to defend themselves.

Meanwhile, if you ask any historian worth his salt, he’ll tell you the reason the Jews didn’t fight in the beginning because they were convinced that, as badly hated as they were, the people of Germany and the occupied territories would never condone mass murder. By the time they realized what was going on, they were already crammed into cattle cars and on their way to the camps.

One thing I have learned from my exchanges with these numbskulls is that people with “Jesus! Constitution! Molon Labe! Patriot!” in their Twitter profiles are the biggest racists, sexists & homophobes you ever saw.

356 Timothy Watson  Sep 30, 2014 6:13:58am

Semi-related:

357 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 30, 2014 6:18:04am
358 Timothy Watson  Sep 30, 2014 6:23:22am

re: #357 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Stupid question, but has anyone asked where the heck the Uniform Secret Service police were when the guy was climbing the fence? Don’t they patrol that area?

359 Targetpractice  Sep 30, 2014 6:23:55am

re: #357 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Yeah, at this point, I think heads should be publicly rolling. This is even worse than the whole hookers business before. The only “good” thing we can say is that we’re lucky the jumper didn’t have a bomb.

360 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 30, 2014 6:26:08am
361 KerFuFFler  Sep 30, 2014 6:30:58am

re: #357 Backwoods_Sleuth

The worst thing about this is that it may encourage a bunch of nutcases to think they could succeed in pulling off a successful assassination at the White House.

The secret service needs to get its act together ASAP.

362 Lidane  Sep 30, 2014 6:35:35am

Newest RWNJ talking point: ZOMG OBUMMER ONLY ATTENDED 42% OF HIS INTELLIGENCE BRIEFINGS! ELEVENTY!

Are people really this stupid?

363 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 30, 2014 6:35:54am

re: #362 Lidane

Newest RWNJ talking point: ZOMG OBUMMER ONLY ATTENDED 42% OF HIS INTELLIGENCE BRIEFINGS! ELEVENTY!

Are people really this stupid?

yes

364 Targetpractice  Sep 30, 2014 6:37:26am

re: #362 Lidane

Newest RWNJ talking point: ZOMG OBUMMER ONLY ATTENDED 42% OF HIS INTELLIGENCE BRIEFINGS! ELEVENTY!

Are people really this stupid?

Do you really have to ask?

365 Bulworth  Sep 30, 2014 6:40:07am

re:
#360

Read today that the WH intruder-alarm was supposedly muted because the usher staff complained of its being too noisy, disruptive. Also that it might have been malfunctioning. But if that was the case, I would think getting it fixed would be kind of like a priority. Some serious WTFITS.

366 Lidane  Sep 30, 2014 6:42:07am

re: #364 Targetpractice

Do you really have to ask?

I know, I know. They’re babbling about some “Government Accountability Institute” study that came up with the numbers.

Shocka! They’re a right wing think tank.

367 Bulworth  Sep 30, 2014 6:43:42am

re:
#362

Yes

368 lawhawk  Sep 30, 2014 6:44:27am
369 HappyWarrior  Sep 30, 2014 6:45:40am

re: #346 Flounder

I hit a milestone on Sunday, I got down to my doctor’s suggested target weight of 235 on Sunday. How did I do it? I Eat one meal a day, lots of coffee, and I walk 4 miles every other day. I started in February of this year at a high of 344 pounds. I am taking all my fat pants to good will today!

Congratulations. I went from being 260 to under 200 last year and it’s been wonderful. Keep up the awesome work.

370 Bulworth  Sep 30, 2014 6:50:23am

re:
#369

re:
#346

A hearty congratulations to both of you!

3-4 years ago I was up to 195lbs and wearing 40 inch waist pants (I’m 5’6” tall).

Since then I’ve gotten back down into the 170’s but haven’t made much progress from there. Food continues to be a challenge. I am drinking more water every day. I exercised a bunch this summer, started running again around the lake near my house. Spent the past few weeks recuperating from some kind of bug. Trying to get back into the exercise routine again.

But great for both of you. Encouraging news.

371 Frenchy  Sep 30, 2014 6:51:40am

re: #362 Lidane

Is this really new though? Or just the meme du jour, another of many that get recycled and rehashed periodically, ad infinitum? I seem to remember hearing this before and then it being shown that basically the percentage wasn’t abnormal, and that GWB attended an even smaller percentage of his. Commence shock face.

372 HappyWarrior  Sep 30, 2014 6:52:56am

I can’t wait for the outrages when Obama does the inevitable presidential pardons. You’ll have wingnuts who claim to understand the Constitution claiming POTUS can’t pardon anyone.

373 Frenchy  Sep 30, 2014 6:53:33am

re: #346 Flounder

re: #369 HappyWarrior

Yep, congrats.

I’ve gone from 320-ish to 280-ish so far this year. Still a long way to go, but I haven’t done anything super drastic, unless you count moving to France.

Just trying to chip away at it a bit at a time.

374 Bulworth  Sep 30, 2014 6:53:41am

From today’s Wash Post, here’s a graph that really stood out—

After barreling past the guard immediately inside the door, Gonzalez, who was carrying a knife, dashed past the stairway leading a half-flight up to the first family’s living quarters. He then ran into the 80-foot-long East Room, an ornate space often used for receptions or presidential addresses.

Sounds like all that was standing between an assassin and the president’s family was one Secret Service dude between the front door and the stairs to the family residence. Seriously crazy.

washingtonpost.com

375 Lidane  Sep 30, 2014 6:57:07am

re: #372 HappyWarrior

I can’t wait for the outrages when Obama does the inevitable presidential pardons. You’ll have wingnuts who claim to understand the Constitution claiming POTUS can’t pardon anyone.

They’ll fall right in line with the wingnuts braying about Obama not declaring war on ISIS fast enough.

You know, because it’s the President’s job to declare war. Or something.

376 Mattand  Sep 30, 2014 7:03:56am

re: #346 Flounder

I hit a milestone on Sunday, I got down to my doctor’s suggested target weight of 235 on Sunday. How did I do it? I Eat one meal a day, lots of coffee, and I walk 4 miles every other day. I started in February of this year at a high of 344 pounds. I am taking all my fat pants to good will today!

re: #369 HappyWarrior

Congratulations. I went from being 260 to under 200 last year and it’s been wonderful. Keep up the awesome work.

re: #370 Bulworth

re:
#369

re:
#346

A hearty congratulations to both of you!

3-4 years ago I was up to 195lbs and wearing 40 inch waist pants (I’m 5’6” tall).

Since then I’ve gotten back down into the 170’s but haven’t made much progress from there. Food continues to be a challenge. I am drinking more water every day. I exercised a bunch this summer, started running again around the lake near my house. Spent the past few weeks recuperating from some kind of bug. Trying to get back into the exercise routine again.

But great for both of you. Encouraging news.

Congrats to all of you! That’s fantastic.

The Better Half has lost 65 lbs herself over the course of a year. Went to see a nutritionist and set up a meal plan based around her physiology. I’ve been half-assing it and managed to lose 20 lbs myself. I was also able to get my blood pressure way down as well.

What’s amazing is that for a lot of people, you don’t have to drastically change your meals, just do it logically.

Keep up the great work, everyone!

377 lawhawk  Sep 30, 2014 7:04:08am

re: #372 HappyWarrior

I can’t wait for the outrages when Obama does the inevitable presidential pardons. You’ll have wingnuts who claim to understand the Constitution claiming POTUS can’t pardon anyone.

Obama has issued fewer pardons than any other president in recent history - that includes Ford, Carter, and GHWB.

Only 61 people have been pardoned by Obama. So, he’s used this exclusive power of the President less than any of the recent presidents.

You have to go back to Zachary Taylor, John Adams and George Washington to find presidents who issued fewer pardons (not counting Harrison and Garfield, who issued no pardons due to dying in office before they could issue one).

en.wikipedia.org

378 Mattand  Sep 30, 2014 7:06:58am

re: #374 Bulworth

From today’s Wash Post, here’s a graph that really stood out—

Sounds like all that was standing between an assassin and the president’s family was one Secret Service dude between the front door and the stairs to the family residence. Seriously crazy.

washingtonpost.com

LOL, that’s what would happen if Allen West ran the Secret Service, as some people have apparently and inexplicably been suggesting.

Only in West’s case, he’d probably be purposely putting Obama’s life in jeopardy, because Muslim Atheist Commie Terrorist needs to go.

379 Higgs Boson's Mate  Sep 30, 2014 7:09:49am

re: #362 Lidane

re: #362 Lidane

Newest RWNJ talking point: ZOMG OBUMMER ONLY ATTENDED 42% OF HIS INTELLIGENCE BRIEFINGS! ELEVENTY!

Are people really this stupid?

Just gullible. Obama reads his PDB every day, he doesn’t have an in-person briefing every day. Each president has handled his intelligence briefings differently. Marc Thiessen, the author of the article that sparked this latest nutrage, is a former G.W. Bush speechwriter. Thiessen glosses over the fact that his ex-boss’s response to his in-person briefing of October 6, 2001 (“Bin Laden Determined to Strike in U.S.”) was to tell the briefer “All right. You’ve covered your ass, now,” and then go fishing.

380 HappyWarrior  Sep 30, 2014 7:10:16am

re: #377 lawhawk

Obama has issued fewer pardons than any other president in recent history - that includes Ford, Carter, and GHWB.

Only 61 people have been pardoned by Obama. So, he’s used this exclusive power of the President less than any of the recent presidents.

You have to go back to Zachary Taylor, John Adams and George Washington to find presidents who issued fewer pardons (not counting Harrison and Garfield, who issued no pardons due to dying in office before they could issue one).

en.wikipedia.org

That’s actually pretty remarkable.

381 NJDhockeyfan  Sep 30, 2014 7:12:20am
382 HappyWarrior  Sep 30, 2014 7:12:22am

And thanks for all the congratulations. I chalk it up ultimately to exercising regularly, drinking more water(and less soda and carbonated drinks), and eating better by which I mean no in between meals and eating more healthy. I’ve gone from Chinese take out as my preferred to Thai.

383 lawhawk  Sep 30, 2014 7:13:17am

re: #380 HappyWarrior

Yup. So unless the President has a binge of pardons/commutations between now and 2017, he’s on pace to have the fewest in more than a century.

Note that the President can only commute or pardon on federal charges. So, one area where he might get considerable support for is if the President issues pardons or commutes the sentences of low level drug offenders - particularly marijuana users.

384 Ian G.  Sep 30, 2014 7:13:58am

Mornin’ Lizards.

So can someone in a hazmat suit wade into the swamps on the right and see how much hysteria there is over Kansas City Chiefs defensive back Husain Abdullah kneeling in Muslim prayer after he intercepted Tom Brady and took it back for a TD last night?

He got a 15 yard penalty on the play, since he was in violation of the letter of the law that going to one’s knees is “excessive celebration”, but I can’t see the difference between that and “Tebowing”. NFL looked a bit tone-deaf with that.

385 HappyWarrior  Sep 30, 2014 7:14:30am

re: #383 lawhawk

Yup. So unless the President has a binge of pardons/commutations between now and 2017, he’s on pace to have the fewest in more than a century.

Note that the President can only commute or pardon on federal charges. So, one area where he might get considerable support for is if the President issues pardons or commutes the sentences of low level drug offenders - particularly marijuana users.

I imagine that’s what a lot of his pardons will be in. Anyhow, my tongue in cheek point was that the right will find outrage in his pardons despite the low number.

386 lawhawk  Sep 30, 2014 7:15:18am

re: #384 Ian G.

387 HappyWarrior  Sep 30, 2014 7:15:23am

re: #384 Ian G.

Mornin’ Lizards.

So can someone in a hazmat suit wade into the swamps on the right and see how much hysteria there is over Kansas City Chiefs defensive back Husain Abdullah kneeling in Muslim prayer after he intercepted Tom Brady and took it back for a TD last night?

He got a 15 yard penalty on the play, since he was in violation of the letter of the law that going to one’s knees is “excessive celebration”, but I can’t see the difference between that and “Tebowing”. NFL looked a bit tone-deaf with that.

Yeah I am not understanding the difference between Tebowing and what Abdullah did either. Anyhow, as a longtime hater of Brady and the Patriots, I loved seeing that happen.

388 HappyWarrior  Sep 30, 2014 7:15:59am

I’m sure some idiot somewhere thinks Abdullah is connected with ISIS.

389 Decatur Deb  Sep 30, 2014 7:17:07am

re: #384 Ian G.

Mornin’ Lizards.

So can someone in a hazmat suit wade into the swamps on the right and see how much hysteria there is over Kansas City Chiefs defensive back Husain Abdullah kneeling in Muslim prayer after he intercepted Tom Brady and took it back for a TD last night?

He got a 15 yard penalty on the play, since he was in violation of the letter of the law that going to one’s knees is “excessive celebration”, but I can’t see the difference between that and “Tebowing”. NFL looked a bit tone-deaf with that.

Had just finished a flyover at Freep. It’s not on their front page.

390 lawhawk  Sep 30, 2014 7:17:51am

re: #384 Ian G.

The team and player both were told that the penalty was thrown for the slide, not the Sujud (kneeling prostrate).

391 Higgs Boson's Mate  Sep 30, 2014 7:17:58am

re: #384 Ian G.

NFL looked a bit tone-deaf with that.

The NFL tone-deaf? No way!

392 Frenchy  Sep 30, 2014 7:18:01am

re: #386 lawhawk

I guarantee you most RWNJ’s wouldn’t know that gesture had any connection to Islam unless someone told them.

393 Decatur Deb  Sep 30, 2014 7:23:46am

I have it on good authority that God/Allah only watches the SEC.

394 Ian G.  Sep 30, 2014 7:24:06am

re: #390 lawhawk

The team and player both were told that the penalty was thrown for the slide, not the Sujud (kneeling prostrate).

OK, I guess that’s a reasonable explanation. It was hard to tell in the moment why he got the flag, and the explanation from the ref was “going to his knees”.

395 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Sep 30, 2014 7:26:11am

re: #385 HappyWarrior

I imagine that’s what a lot of his pardons will be in. Anyhow, my tongue in cheek point was that the right will find outrage in his pardons trampling on the courts and the Rule of Law despite the low number.

396 lawhawk  Sep 30, 2014 7:27:15am
397 urbanmeemaw  Sep 30, 2014 7:28:00am

re: #264 Decatur Deb

Her quotes were made 30 years later. By then she certainly saw the convergence of the struggle.

(Remember, MLK lost a good bit of support when he fused the civil rights movement with the anti-war struggle.)

And economic inequality in the US and the rest of the world.

398 Mike Lamb  Sep 30, 2014 7:28:11am

re: #377 lawhawk

Obama has issued fewer pardons than any other president in recent history - that includes Ford, Carter, and GHWB.

Only 61 people have been pardoned by Obama. So, he’s used this exclusive power of the President less than any of the recent presidents.

You have to go back to Zachary Taylor, John Adams and George Washington to find presidents who issued fewer pardons (not counting Harrison and Garfield, who issued no pardons due to dying in office before they could issue one).

en.wikipedia.org

Tyranting…he’s doing it wrong.

399 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Sep 30, 2014 7:28:40am

re: #396 lawhawk

Rep. Chaffetz (R-Utah): Don’t praise them for “tremendous restraint,” looking for “overwhelming force”

Overwhelming force = masculine, American
Tremendous restraint = Euroweenie

400 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Sep 30, 2014 7:29:48am

re: #398 Mike Lamb

Tyranting…he’s doing it wrong.

He is lulling us into a false sense of security!!!

401 urbanmeemaw  Sep 30, 2014 7:31:13am

re: #275 Timothy Watson

Castle season premiere spoiler alert:

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OMG! Another Castle fan!!!! I am so addicted to that show. But, yes, the season opener was a tad wac. But at this point I don’t care! I’m so happy it is a new season.

(Turns to Audience: “Yes. I know. I need to get a life”.)

Exits stage left.

402 NJDhockeyfan  Sep 30, 2014 7:33:49am
403 ausador  Sep 30, 2014 7:34:06am

re: #400 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

He is lulling us into a false sense of security!!!

They will still be saying that at 11:59am on Jan. 20th, 2017 too. :(

404 darthstar  Sep 30, 2014 7:36:09am

re: #311 The War TARDIS

Fuck Football (Or as it should be called, either Soft Rugby, or Handegg)

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I saw that last night and I was all, WHAT THE FUCK? He didn’t gyrate, mock the defense, jump into the stands…just a second of thanks.

405 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Sep 30, 2014 7:37:55am

re: #404 darthstar

I saw that last night and I was all, WHAT THE FUCK? He didn’t gyrate, mock the defense, jump into the stands…just a second of thanks.

Why do we expect NFL referees to be any less thuggish, bigoted and hypocritical than the league they are working for?

406 urbanmeemaw  Sep 30, 2014 7:39:42am

re: #346 Flounder

Congratulations!

407 lawhawk  Sep 30, 2014 7:39:55am
408 Timothy Watson  Sep 30, 2014 7:40:06am

re: #396 lawhawk

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Something of this implication is fixed in the book’s dictatorial tone, which is much its most striking feature. Out of a lifetime of reading, I can recall no other book in which a tone of overriding arrogance was so implacably sustained. Its shrillness is without reprieve. Its dogmatism is without appeal. In addition, the mind which finds this tone natural to it shares other characteristics of its type. 1) It consistently mistakes raw force for strength, and the rawer the force, the more reverent the posture of the mind before it.

-Whittaker Chambers on Atlas Shrugged

(also applies to pretty much everything else in the conservative movement)

409 Frenchy  Sep 30, 2014 7:42:30am

re: #400 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

He’s going to wait until like 6 months left in his 2nd term, then BAM, tyrant.

410 Flounder  Sep 30, 2014 7:43:49am

Thankyou for all the congrats, we have a really nice family here.

411 lawhawk  Sep 30, 2014 7:46:24am

It seems to me that Chaffets wouldn’t mind setting up R2D2s at the WH perimeter and turn any fence jumpers into gazpacho.

Youtube Video

Using nonlethal means to subdue those that make it across the fence line is admirable and should be preferred. The problem is that the supposed layers of defense once the guy got onto the grounds didn’t materialize. He was able to make it deep inside the White House.

There were unlocked doors. There were officers who weren’t in proper positions. All of these things need to be reviewed and resolved.

What’s also lost on the hearings is that the President has been threatened and targeted more than most other presidents in recent history. The Secret Service has done a great job keeping the president safe, but it’s come with more than a fair share of luck (as in the most recent instances). They can’t rely on luck and need to improve security at the WH.

But that doesn’t mean throwing up another fence outside the perimeter.

It means fixing what happened inside. Perhaps it means adjusting the fence itself to make it more difficult to climb over. Even then, there’s a balancing act.

412 Bulworth  Sep 30, 2014 7:47:58am

re:
#388

I’m sure some idiot somewhere thinks Abdullah is connected with ISIS.

And Shariah Law!!!11

413 darthstar  Sep 30, 2014 7:48:38am

re: #405 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Why do we expect NFL referees to be any less thuggish, bigoted and hypocritical than the league they are working for?

They say it was the slide, not the prayer. Like a slide is excessive.

“I got a little too excited,” Abdullah said. “I don’t think it was because of the actual prostration that I got the penalty. I think it was because of the slide.”

That’s precisely the explanation that Chiefs coach Andy Reid said he received from the game officials. They had no issue with the prayer, Reid said, only the celebratory slide.

Rule 12, Section 3, Article 1(d) of the NFL rule book states that “players are prohibited from engaging in any celebrations or demonstrations while on the ground.”

414 darthstar  Sep 30, 2014 7:50:27am

I just like the fact that 60,000 Kansans are screaming “We love you, Abdullah!” between tomahawk chops and faux Indian chants and they don’t see the irony.

415 Feline Fearless Leader  Sep 30, 2014 7:52:58am

re: #365 Bulworth

re:
#360

Read today that the WH intruder-alarm was supposedly muted because the usher staff complained of its being too noisy, disruptive. Also that it might have been malfunctioning. But if that was the case, I would think getting it fixed would be kind of like a priority. Some serious WTFITS.

White House needs more solar panels — to be used to power a laser-based intruder suppression system.
/

416 ausador  Sep 30, 2014 7:53:57am
417 Feline Fearless Leader  Sep 30, 2014 7:58:45am

re: #411 lawhawk

Can’t watch the video from here at work but I presume that ‘R2D2’ is a nickname for a Phalanx system. Due to the shape of the targeting radar?

418 Pie-onist Overlord  Sep 30, 2014 8:01:47am

LOL “Never become obsolete”

419 Bulworth  Sep 30, 2014 8:01:57am

From today’s NYT—

The video lasts all of 12 seconds: A stray cat — after being lured by a young man’s outstretched hand — is suddenly and violently kicked, its body propelled through the air, clearing a small fence and landing about 20 feet away, to a chorus of cackling laughter.

I do not own a gun. But if I did own a gun…..

half sarc/

nytimes.com

420 Lidane  Sep 30, 2014 8:02:11am

re: #402 NJDhockeyfan

Piers Morgan at the Daily Fail? Yeah, that sounds about right.

421 lawhawk  Sep 30, 2014 8:02:31am
422 lawhawk  Sep 30, 2014 8:03:01am

re: #417 Feline Fearless Leader

Yup. It’s a close in weapon system (CIWS).

423 Bulworth  Sep 30, 2014 8:03:33am

re:
#416

Secret Service Director: Looking into suspicious ship hovering over White House, no reason yet for concern

No worries, another 3 ft fence around the WH will keep this thing at bay.

/

424 lawhawk  Sep 30, 2014 8:04:01am
425 blueraven  Sep 30, 2014 8:04:44am

Charles…you have a featured tweet from Sully today re: Kevin Williamson

dish.andrewsullivan.com

426 Bulworth  Sep 30, 2014 8:07:05am

re:
#424

NFL backtracks after penalizing player for brief Muslim prayer

NFL admits season has been a total disaster, asks for a reset.

/

427 NJDhockeyfan  Sep 30, 2014 8:07:10am

re: #420 Lidane

Piers Morgan at the Daily Fail? Yeah, that sounds about right.

Heh

428 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Sep 30, 2014 8:07:20am

re: #424 lawhawk

NFL backtracks after penalizing player for brief Muslim prayer

NFL Caves in to Islamists? Will they start chopping off hands for holding penalties? They already allow wife beating, don’t they?

429 Pie-onist Overlord  Sep 30, 2014 8:08:09am
430 The War TARDIS  Sep 30, 2014 8:08:48am

re: #424 lawhawk

Too little, to late for me.

431 Frenchy  Sep 30, 2014 8:09:02am

re: #429 Pie-onist Overlord

Ugh. That bastard is like clockwork.

432 Teukka  Sep 30, 2014 8:09:32am

re: #417 Feline Fearless Leader

Can’t watch the video from here at work but I presume that ‘R2D2’ is a nickname for a Phalanx system. Due to the shape of the targeting radar?

No, IIRC, due to the shape of the business end of the piece (gatling gun).

And altho a Phalanx CIWS would be overkill, it’d deal with any *cough* issues *cough* very quickly…

433 ausador  Sep 30, 2014 8:09:42am
434 b.d.  Sep 30, 2014 8:10:50am
435 wrenchwench  Sep 30, 2014 8:11:43am

re: #425 blueraven

Charles…you have a featured tweet from Sully today re: Kevin Williamson

dish.andrewsullivan.com

Andrew never wants me to forget what a nutter he is.

I have always found Williamson - even when I’ve disagreed with him - a stimulating writer.

436 Archangelus  Sep 30, 2014 8:13:41am

re: #424 lawhawk

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Yeah, too little, too late, additional damage done. Talk about having a rough time- which they RICHLY DESERVE…

437 Lidane  Sep 30, 2014 8:14:17am

re: #424 lawhawk

Goodell-bot needs a hard reset.

For that matter, so does the NFL.

438 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 30, 2014 8:14:45am

A universal truth:

439 Archangelus  Sep 30, 2014 8:15:56am

re: #434 b.d.

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By all the deities, an item has been found that can bring genuine destruction upon the previously immortal Nokia of Ancient Ages!
/OnlyKindaMineSurvivedAFourStoryFall

440 b.d.  Sep 30, 2014 8:17:34am

re: #439 Archangelus

By all the deities, an item has been found that can bring genuine destruction upon the previously immortal Nokia of Ancient Ages!
/OnlyKindaMineSurvivedAFourStoryFall

Hope it wasn’t in your pocket at the time.

441 Pie-onist Overlord  Sep 30, 2014 8:18:09am

re: #440 b.d.

Hope it wasn’t in your pocket at the time.

Well it was, but he wasn’t wearing pants.

442 Bulworth  Sep 30, 2014 8:18:18am

re:
#429

NFL defends Muslim who prays in end zone. Means Christians can freely do it too. Knock yourselves out!

Because no Christians have ever done that ever.

/

I think this might set Bryan Fischer off for another week or so, complaining that Shariah Law has taken over the Public Square while good Christian American patriots can’t pray in school, etc.

443 Archangelus  Sep 30, 2014 8:19:29am

re: #440 b.d.

Hope it wasn’t in your pocket at the time.

Naw….
Not for the four story fall at any rate, just the two story fall (wish i was kidding ‘bout that, long and different story, though I made it out relatively fine - typically, the phone survived it better than I did, though maybe landing on it helped)…

444 Pie-onist Overlord  Sep 30, 2014 8:23:44am

Poutrage Du Jour:

Wingnuts are OUTRAGED! that “Libturds” are calling Jessica Dugger a “total fucking idiot” for comparing abortion to the Holocaust.

That’s right, it’s OK to call people with opposing political views “Libturds” but it’s not OK to call a total fucking idiot a total fucking idiot.

445 wrenchwench  Sep 30, 2014 8:25:13am

I was unaware of this bird. It is the national bird of Israel, according to Wikipedia.

446 makeitstop  Sep 30, 2014 8:26:10am

re: #435 wrenchwench

Andrew never wants me to forget what a nutter he is.

It bothers me that extremists like Williamson are always, always given the benefit of the doubt - both by Sully in his post and by that Mensch woman the other night.

Was it Maya Angelou who once said, ‘When someone tells you who they are, believe them?’

447 Pie-onist Overlord  Sep 30, 2014 8:26:11am

re: #445 wrenchwench

I was unaware of this bird. It is the national bird of Israel, according to Wikipedia.

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It is definitely a more interesting-looking bird than a bald eagle.

448 NJDhockeyfan  Sep 30, 2014 8:26:13am

Not the Onion:

ISIS to open its first consulate in Istanbul

The so-called Islamic State in Iraq and Syria (ISIS) intends to inaugurate its first diplomatic mission in Istanbul in order to provide consular services for all who wish to join the extremist group in Iraq, reported Turkish daily Aydinlik as saying.

Abu-Omar Al-Tunisi, the ISIS de facto head of foreign relations issued a statement, saying that the Islamic Caliphate is determined to launch its first diplomatic mission in a friendly and Muslim country. He further noted that the ISIS hopes that the bilateral relations with Ankara will witness more developments under the aegis of newly-elected president Recep Tayyip Erdoᇺn.

ISIS also claims that its consulate in Istanbul will pay the hospital bills of all wounded Islamist militants who traveled to turkey to receive medical treatment.

449 Archangelus  Sep 30, 2014 8:27:57am

re: #448 NJDhockeyfan

Not the Onion:

ISIS to open its first consulate in Istanbul

Yeah, seeing how there are more than half a million Syrian refugees in Turkey at the moment, I’m guessing that’ll go over swimmingly… //

450 b.d.  Sep 30, 2014 8:29:08am

re: #447 Pie-onist Overlord

It is definitely a more interesting-looking bird than a bald eagle.

It has a hypnotic control over the bald eagle.

//

451 wrenchwench  Sep 30, 2014 8:29:09am

re: #446 makeitstop

It bothers me that extremists like Williamson are always, always given the benefit of the doubt - both by Sully in his post and by that Mensch woman the other night.

Was it Maya Angelou who once said, ‘When someone tells you who they are, believe them?’

Louise Mensch is out of her fucking skull.

And I think you’re right about the Angelou quotation. She’s the antidote to people like Mensch and Sullivan and Williamson.

452 makeitstop  Sep 30, 2014 8:31:38am

re: #451 wrenchwench

Louise Mensch is out of her fucking skull.

And I think you’re right about the Angelou quotation. She’s the antidote to people like Mensch and Sullivan and Williamson.

She reacted to Charles’ initial Tweet about Williamson’s statement along the lines of ‘I’m assuming this is a false summary without reading it’ or some such.

Then she read what Williamson actually wrote and realized that Charles was right. Mild back-tracking and ass-covering ensued.

453 Feline Fearless Leader  Sep 30, 2014 8:33:56am

re: #452 makeitstop

She reacted to Charles’ initial Tweet about Williamson’s statement along the lines of ‘I’m assuming this is a false summary without reading it’ or some such.

Then she read what Williamson actually wrote and realized that Charles was right. Mild back-tracking and ass-covering ensued.

That might be saying more about how outrageous Williamson’s statements were. The nuts are pretty overboard, but that was even further over the line than you usually see.

454 Ian G.  Sep 30, 2014 8:36:14am

re: #429 Pie-onist Overlord

Uh, they already do. You may be familiar with this gentleman named Tim Tebow who was a pretty bad QB, but became wildly famous for his religious faith, even in this country that “persecutes” Christians.

455 darthstar  Sep 30, 2014 8:38:16am

re: #445 wrenchwench

That’s a good lookin’ bird.

456 RealityBasedSteve  Sep 30, 2014 8:39:18am

re: #450 b.d.

It has a hypnotic control over the bald eagle.

//

All hail the Hypno-Hoopoe

RBS

457 lawhawk  Sep 30, 2014 8:39:56am

re: #454 Ian G.

Yup. And there are countless other players who cross themselves and kneel after scoring in football. It’s actually a more recent development - primarily after the No Fun League prohibited celebrations of most kinds on the field.

458 Schadenboner  Sep 30, 2014 8:41:15am

re: #457 lawhawk

Yup. And there are countless other players who cross themselves and kneel after scoring in football. It’s actually a more recent development - primarily after the No Fun League prohibited celebrations of most kinds on the field.

It puts me in mind of a quote from, I dunno, someone, one of us I think: “As long as there are tests there will be prayer in school.”

459 Higgs Boson's Mate  Sep 30, 2014 8:42:01am

re: #445 wrenchwench

I was unaware of this bird. It is the national bird of Israel, according to Wikipedia.

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It’s a bit disappointing that of all the times the government of Israel has given us the bird it’s never given us that one.

460 Feline Fearless Leader  Sep 30, 2014 8:42:16am

re: #455 darthstar

That’s a good lookin’ bird.

It’s not kosher though.

461 NJDhockeyfan  Sep 30, 2014 8:43:04am

Charges against the Oklahoma murderer…

They are seeking the death penalty.

462 darthstar  Sep 30, 2014 8:43:53am

re: #460 Feline Fearless Leader

It’s not kosher though.

Neither am I. But it’s too small to eat. And it’s purty.

463 darthstar  Sep 30, 2014 8:44:54am

First tweet…retweeted by the CIA

464 Bulworth  Sep 30, 2014 8:45:48am

CNN is still leading with the beheading story…

In case you wondered how your ‘liberal’ media was doing these days.

465 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 30, 2014 8:45:49am
466 NJDhockeyfan  Sep 30, 2014 8:50:16am

re: #464 Bulworth

CNN is still leading with the beheading story…

In case you wondered how your ‘liberal’ media was doing these days.

There was just a press conference.

467 lawhawk  Sep 30, 2014 8:55:05am

Fleeing because of high taxes; or is it because the weather here sucks in the Winter and people want to retire someplace sunny.

How soon before we start seeing massive moves from the Southwest and Southeast because of extreme drought and lack of water to keep all those golf courses and developments in deserts sustained? Or that another round of hurricanes will hit the Southeast and convince people that it’s not a good place to build along coasts? Or as those folks move to those parts of the country, they seek to replicate the level of services found in the Northeast and find that the people living there don’t want it (whether its mass transit, education, or infrastructure).

468 Ian G.  Sep 30, 2014 8:55:52am

re: #457 lawhawk

Yup. And there are countless other players who cross themselves and kneel after scoring in football. It’s actually a more recent development - primarily after the No Fun League prohibited celebrations of most kinds on the field.

Honestly, the whole thing with pro athletes thanking God kind of annoys me, regardless of which faith the athlete subscribes to. You’re fabulously wealthy and play a child’s game. I would hope a benevolent God would have more important things like war, famine, disease, and natural disasters to tend to than your ability to catch a touchdown or hit a home run.

469 wrenchwench  Sep 30, 2014 8:57:23am

re: #452 makeitstop

She reacted to Charles’ initial Tweet about Williamson’s statement along the lines of ‘I’m assuming this is a false summary without reading it’ or some such.

Then she read what Williamson actually wrote and realized that Charles was right. Mild back-tracking and ass-covering ensued.

I don’t remember the specifics, but she made an awful tweet about how black women don’t matter when it comes to feminism. She’s a dudebro.

470 Pie-onist Overlord  Sep 30, 2014 8:57:43am

re: #467 lawhawk

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Fleeing because of high taxes; or is it because the weather here sucks in the Winter and people want to retire someplace sunny.

How soon before we start seeing massive moves from the Southwest and Southeast because of extreme drought and lack of water to keep all those golf courses and developments in deserts sustained? Or that another round of hurricanes will hit the Southeast and convince people that it’s not a good place to build along coasts? Or as those folks move to those parts of the country, they seek to replicate the level of services found in the Northeast and find that the people living there don’t want it (whether its mass transit, education, or infrastructure).

I used to say HA HA IN DETROIT WE CAN HAZ ALL TEH WATERS!!!! except until they shut off water to the Poors.

Rick Snyder would try to sell all our waters to Texas but the Canadians would stop him.

471 Ian G.  Sep 30, 2014 8:57:57am

re: #467 lawhawk

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Fleeing because of high taxes; or is it because the weather here sucks in the Winter and people want to retire someplace sunny.

Or because real estate is absurdly expensive along the ACELA corridor and coastal California. It’s not in Texas. I’m of the opinion that this is the single-biggest driver of such migration.

472 ausador  Sep 30, 2014 8:58:08am
473 HappyWarrior  Sep 30, 2014 8:59:07am

re: #472 ausador

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But yet spend too much on “entitlements” so say the people who have never met a defense budget increase they haven’t liked.

474 The War TARDIS  Sep 30, 2014 8:59:35am

re: #464 Bulworth

They won’t be happy until an American Muslim is attacked, it seems.

475 NJDhockeyfan  Sep 30, 2014 8:59:55am

re: #467 lawhawk

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Fleeing because of high taxes; or is it because the weather here sucks in the Winter and people want to retire someplace sunny.

How soon before we start seeing massive moves from the Southwest and Southeast because of extreme drought and lack of water to keep all those golf courses and developments in deserts sustained? Or that another round of hurricanes will hit the Southeast and convince people that it’s not a good place to build along coasts? Or as those folks move to those parts of the country, they seek to replicate the level of services found in the Northeast and find that the people living there don’t want it (whether its mass transit, education, or infrastructure).

Mostly taxes. I’ve met so many people in Virginia that moved down there because of taxes. I also met quite a few people here in Tennessee that left for the same reason. I would love to move back to NJ but the taxes are ridiculous there.

476 The War TARDIS  Sep 30, 2014 9:01:54am

re: #475 NJDhockeyfan

So, you subscribe to FYGM?

477 NJDhockeyfan  Sep 30, 2014 9:02:47am
478 NJDhockeyfan  Sep 30, 2014 9:03:22am

re: #476 The War TARDIS

So, you subscribe to FYGM?

FYGM?

479 HappyWarrior  Sep 30, 2014 9:04:02am

It’s true that people will move because of taxes but Drudge of course ignores that people want their new states to invest in things like education. Virginia’s been successful not because of low taxes but because we’ve had governors like Warner and Kaine who actually invested in our people.

480 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Sep 30, 2014 9:04:21am

re: #478 NJDhockeyfan

I believe it stands for “Fuck You, Got Mine”, but I could be wrong.

481 HappyWarrior  Sep 30, 2014 9:05:29am

re: #475 NJDhockeyfan

Mostly taxes. I’ve met so many people in Virginia that moved down there because of taxes. I also met quite a few people here in Tennessee that left for the same reason. I would love to move back to NJ but the taxes are ridiculous there.

Well Virginia also has some of the better schools in the nation too. Lots of work due to the same federal government that Matty Drudge despises too.

482 darthstar  Sep 30, 2014 9:06:02am

re: #477 NJDhockeyfan

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It’s not an Olympic year.

483 wrenchwench  Sep 30, 2014 9:06:25am

re: #453 Feline Fearless Leader

That might be saying more about how outrageous Williamson’s statements were. The nuts are pretty overboard, but that was even further over the line than you usually see.

She was not alone in dismissing the facts before reading what Williamson said. Some never admitted to reading it. One jerk in particular maintained his denial. His profile contained one of these: #Pro-Life.

That’s after claiming to have read the ‘whole thing’.

484 NJDhockeyfan  Sep 30, 2014 9:07:04am

re: #480 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

I believe it stands for “Fuck You, Got Mine”, but I could be wrong.

I thought it was “Fried Yellow Goats Milk”

485 HappyWarrior  Sep 30, 2014 9:07:09am

It’s funny though. My parents are both the children of transplants. Mom’s Dad came down here because he didn’t want to be a miner or steelworker and I believe used his GI Bill benefits to get vocational training in brick masonry. Dad’s Dad, this was the final stop in his long career in the NLRB. Dad is the only one of the six kids to have been born in Va.

486 HappyWarrior  Sep 30, 2014 9:07:37am

re: #484 NJDhockeyfan

I thought it was “Fried Yellow Goat Milk”

No, no you’re both wrong. It’s French Yeomen Growing Marshmallows.

487 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 30, 2014 9:09:36am
488 wrenchwench  Sep 30, 2014 9:09:43am

re: #483 wrenchwench

She was not alone in dismissing the facts before reading what Williamson said. Some never admitted to reading it. One jerk in particular maintained his denial. His profile contained one of these: #Pro-Life.

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That’s after claiming to have read the ‘whole thing’.

This goes with those, I believe.

489 sattv4u2  Sep 30, 2014 9:10:15am

re: #486 HappyWarrior

No, no you’re both wrong. It’s French Yeomen Growing Marshmallows.

Wrong again

It’s after you wake up next to an old flame after a night of drinking

Forgot You Got Married!

490 HappyWarrior  Sep 30, 2014 9:11:26am

re: #489 sattv4u2

Wrong again

It’s after you wake up next to an old flame after a night of drinking

Forgot You Got Married!

Man that’s worse than what happened to that Samsa kid down the street.

491 KerFuFFler  Sep 30, 2014 9:16:34am

re: #465 Backwoods_Sleuth

The look on that lizard’s face at around t=50 is priceless!

I’m in a much better mood now. Thanks for sharing.

492 wrenchwench  Sep 30, 2014 9:19:54am
493 Lidane  Sep 30, 2014 9:21:34am
494 HappyWarrior  Sep 30, 2014 9:22:15am

re: #493 Lidane

Crazy Uncle Pat is bleating again:

Pat Buchanan: Obama Inciting Violence Against Police Officers

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I’m sorry but Francisco Franco’s biggest American fanboy says what?

495 CuriousLurker  Sep 30, 2014 9:23:08am

re: #445 wrenchwench

I was unaware of this bird. It is the national bird of Israel, according to Wikipedia.

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The hoopoe (hud-hud in Arabic) is very popular in the Mideast and is even specifically mentioned in the Qur’an in relation to Solomon (and Sheba):

27:16 And Solomon was David’s heir. He said: “O ye people! We have been taught the speech of birds, and on us has been bestowed (a little) of all things: this is indeed Grace manifest (from God.)”

27:17 And before Solomon were marshalled his hosts,- of Jinns and men and birds, and they were all kept in order and ranks.

27:18 At length, when they came to a (lowly) valley of ants, one of the ants said: “O ye ants, get into your habitations, lest Solomon and his hosts crush you (under foot) without knowing it.”

27:19 So he smiled, amused at her speech; and he said: “O my Lord! so order me that I may be grateful for Thy favours, which thou hast bestowed on me and on my parents, and that I may work the righteousness that will please Thee: And admit me, by Thy Grace, to the ranks of Thy righteous Servants.”

27:20 And he took a muster of the Birds; and he said: “Why is it I see not the Hoopoe? Or is he among the absentees?

27:21 “I will certainly punish him with a severe penalty, or execute him, unless he bring me a clear reason (for absence).”

27:22 But the Hoopoe tarried not far: he (came up and) said: “I have compassed (territory) which thou hast not compassed, and I have come to thee from Saba with tidings true.

27:23 “I found (there) a woman ruling over them and provided with every requisite; and she has a magnificent throne.

I think it’s also mentioned in a couple of other verses, but I’m not 100% sure and couldn’t tell you which ones.

The hoopoe also plays a major role in the famous Persian poem The Conference of the Birds by Attar. It’s a delightful, enchanting story about a group of birds (all of whom represent humans with their faults) who set out on a journey to find the legendary Simorgh (a symbol of God in this tale). The hoopoe, who is considered to be the wisest among them, is their leader/guide.

I didn’t know it was the national bird of Israel, but it doesn’t surprise me. Good choice! ;-)

The Conference of the Birds

496 HappyWarrior  Sep 30, 2014 9:23:23am

It’s “inciting” violence to sympathize with families of children who lose their children but not at all inciting to talk about “second amendment solutions” to a health care bill. Got it Pat, by the way, sorry again about your relative who fell out of the guard tower at Auschwitz.

497 wrenchwench  Sep 30, 2014 9:25:18am

re: #495 CuriousLurker

The hoopoe (hud-hud in Arabic) is very popular in the Mideast and is even specifically mentioned in the Qur’an in relation to Solomon (and Sheba):

I think it’s also mentioned in a couple of other verses, but I’m not sure and don’t know which ones.

The hoopoe also plays a major role in the famous Persian poem The Conference of the Birds by Attar. It’s a delightful, enchanting story about a group of birds (all of whom represent humans with their faults) who set out on a journey to find the legendary Simorgh (a symbol of God in this tale). The hoopoe, who is considered to be the wisest among them, is their leader/guide.

I didn’t know it was the national bird of Israel, but it doesn’t surprise me. Good choice! ;-)

The Conference of the Birds

Beautiful words and pictures for a beautiful bird! Thank you.

498 Flavia  Sep 30, 2014 9:29:01am

re: #35 CuriousLurker

She’s part of the problem not part of the solution—she just adds to the hatred, the same way bigoted, intolerant Muslim extremists do. Foley’s parents realized this and didn’t want their son’s image associated with it.

Kudos to them for that.

They had asked WELL BEFORE THIS that people stop sharing the video, etc. And if I knew that, you know SHE had to knew that! The vileness of this woman is not to be underestimated.

499 Pie-onist Overlord  Sep 30, 2014 9:29:27am

re: #495 CuriousLurker

The hoopoe (hud-hud in Arabic) is very popular in the Mideast and is even specifically mentioned in the Qur’an in relation to Solomon (and Sheba):

I think it’s also mentioned in a couple of other verses, but I’m not 100% sure and couldn’t tell you which ones.

The hoopoe also plays a major role in the famous Persian poem The Conference of the Birds by Attar. It’s a delightful, enchanting story about a group of birds (all of whom represent humans with their faults) who set out on a journey to find the legendary Simorgh (a symbol of God in this tale). The hoopoe, who is considered to be the wisest among them, is their leader/guide.

I didn’t know it was the national bird of Israel, but it doesn’t surprise me. Good choice! ;-)

The Conference of the Birds

I collect bird figurines, and I added this Swarovski crystal to my collection about two years ago:

500 CuriousLurker  Sep 30, 2014 9:32:45am

re: #499 Pie-onist Overlord

I collect bird figurines, and I added this Swarovski crystal to my collection about two years ago:
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Ooooh, nice!

501 Flavia  Sep 30, 2014 9:34:29am

re: #72 HappyWarrior

Precisely and that’s the real reason she quit on her job. I did say it here in the election two years ago but I actually have some more grudging respect for Bachmann than Palin since Bachmann actually puts herself up for election. Yes, she’s legitimately insane but she also actually runs for office. Palin? She’s been on Fox News since she decided to quit on her state to become a reality star /right wing folk hero. She’s a fraud.

She also knows that running for election again would put actual scrutiny back on them & even she is smart enough to know she needs to avoid that.

502 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 30, 2014 9:35:27am

re: #491 KerFuFFler

The look on that lizard’s face at around t=50 is priceless!

I’m in a much better mood now. Thanks for sharing.

That was very cute!
My other favorite part was the food running away saying “oshit oshit oshit oshit”.

503 Bulworth  Sep 30, 2014 9:35:27am

re:
#494

I’m sorry but Francisco Franco’s biggest American fanboy says what?

It’s like when crazy uncle Pat and Fox News warned the Bundy Ranch protesters that aiming weapons at federal officers might encourage violence against LEO.

Oh, wait, you mean they didn’t?

/

504 HappyWarrior  Sep 30, 2014 9:36:31am

re: #501 Flavia

She also knows that running for election again would put actual scrutiny back on them & even she is smart enough to know she needs to avoid that.

Right. It’s a lot easier to go to events like CPAC, VVS, or appear on Fox where she’s going to be treated like political royalty and have nothing she says or does questioned. I really do mean it when I say I have more respect for loons like Bachmann who actually do put themselves up for election. I mean that’s the old damning with faint praise but I mean it. Palin’s someone who ever since she quit being Alaska’s governor has sought tons of influence but no responsibility.

505 HappyWarrior  Sep 30, 2014 9:36:56am

re: #503 Bulworth

re:
#494

It’s like when crazy uncle Pat and Fox News warned the Bundy Ranch protesters that aiming weapons at federal officers might encourage violence against LEO.

Oh, wait, you mean they didn’t?

/

That was different! They were white!

506 Flavia  Sep 30, 2014 9:38:12am

re: #re: #41 Pie-onist Overlord

Some idiot Tweeted back at me “Be careful there are a lot of [N word]s out there”

BLOCKED.

Why are people such stupid fuckers?

Make sure you report them first.

507 Higgs Boson's Mate  Sep 30, 2014 9:38:44am

re: #493 Lidane

Pat Buchanan wears a bag of cloves around his neck to cover up the old man smell.

508 HappyWarrior  Sep 30, 2014 9:39:20am

re: #507 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Pat Buchanan wears a bag of cloves around his neck to cover up the old man smell.

Be that as it may, he can never get the old bigot stench off of him which smells a lot like the Nixon White House with a hint of cheap scotch.

509 NJDhockeyfan  Sep 30, 2014 9:42:41am
510 wrenchwench  Sep 30, 2014 9:44:57am

re: #499 Pie-onist Overlord

I collect bird figurines, and I added this Swarovski crystal to my collection about two years ago:
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Spectacular!

511 iceweasel  Sep 30, 2014 9:45:02am

re: #504 HappyWarrior

Right. It’s a lot easier to go to events like CPAC, VVS, or appear on Fox where she’s going to be treated like political royalty and have nothing she says or does questioned. I really do mean it when I say I have more respect for loons like Bachmann who actually do put themselves up for election. I mean that’s the old damning with faint praise but I mean it. Palin’s someone who ever since she quit being Alaska’s governor has sought tons of influence but no responsibility.

Completely agree with you. I think she gave a clear sign what her priorites were/are when the half wit dropped her half governor term to go talk on the TeeVee.

512 NJDhockeyfan  Sep 30, 2014 9:45:39am
514 HappyWarrior  Sep 30, 2014 9:46:56am

re: #513 Varek Raith

Bill O’Reilly: “Dumb People” Like Stephen Colbert Oppose Anti-Terror Mercenary Army Idea
Tides and shit.

Yeah Bill because you are so smart, you who think Stalin killed General Patton. Go home, Bill, you’re drunk. If you can’t handle a comedian like Colbert mocking your proposal, how on earth are we supposed to take you seriously.

515 wrenchwench  Sep 30, 2014 9:48:16am

Secret Service, I’m guessing.

516 HappyWarrior  Sep 30, 2014 9:48:45am

re: #511 iceweasel

Completely agree with you. I think she gave a clear sign what her priorites were/are when the half wit dropped her half governor term to go talk on the TeeVee.

I mean it’s so obvious to me what her priorities are. She couldn’t even botehr to stay in Alaska to try to present herself as the anti-Obama way of governing. She’s been on I believe now three reality shows since she quit her job and had a few books ghostwritten for her. Really, she’s a political coward.

517 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 30, 2014 9:50:02am

heh…

518 NJDhockeyfan  Sep 30, 2014 9:50:15am
519 Varek Raith  Sep 30, 2014 9:52:15am

re: #517 Backwoods_Sleuth

heh…

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520 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 30, 2014 9:56:10am
521 Dr Lizardo  Sep 30, 2014 10:00:26am

re: #474 The War TARDIS

They won’t be happy until an American Muslim is attacked someone pulls a Baruch Goldstein, it seems.

FTFY.

And if/when something like that does happen (may Allah forbid) the wingnuts will promptly disavow that their heated rhetoric had anything to do with it while approving of such a massacre under their breaths.

You can take that one to the bank, Brother.

522 NJDhockeyfan  Sep 30, 2014 10:00:46am
523 Varek Raith  Sep 30, 2014 10:07:21am

re: #522 NJDhockeyfan

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I don’t know why, but that pic bothers me.
>_>

524 ausador  Sep 30, 2014 10:07:29am

re: #517 Backwoods_Sleuth

heh…

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That is why I hate push-button keypads, if you only use four buttons they are going to show wear pretty quickly.

Door should have an electro-magnetic strike plate with a touch screen pad controlling it mounted adjacent to the door. The ones the Secret Service and FBI use now scramble the location of the digits after each use so you can’t tell which digits to hit by looking for the fingerprints.

525 Ace-o-aces  Sep 30, 2014 10:08:29am

re: #448 NJDhockeyfan

Not the Onion:

ISIS to open its first consulate in Istanbul

Single news source is a site I never heard of that is blocked by my browser as a “spam” site. I’m gonna say 75% chance bullshit.

526 Ace-o-aces  Sep 30, 2014 10:11:25am

re: #513 Varek Raith

Bill O’Reilly: “Dumb People” Like Stephen Colbert Oppose Anti-Terror Mercenary Army Idea

Has anyone other than Bill himself supported this idea?

527 Bulworth  Sep 30, 2014 10:12:04am

It’s been about four minutes since I’ve had an campaign email begging for money.

528 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 30, 2014 10:12:30am

re: #526 Ace-o-aces

Has anyone other than Bill himself supported this idea?

Pretty much just Henry Kissinger and Dick Cheney.

529 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 30, 2014 10:17:04am
530 klys  Sep 30, 2014 10:18:20am

re: #525 Ace-o-aces

Single news source is a site I never heard of that is blocked by my browser as a “spam” site. I’m gonna say 75% chance bullshit.

The right wing is certainly salivating over the story though. Made it all the way to Pamela Geller’s site.

If we go to the initial story which appears to be associated with a Turkish paper, it appears all of this is based on claims from an “alleged ISIS website” (and oh man, the passive voice in the article designed to say “we’re just saying what we’ve heard, man”):

The website, which appears to be belong to the consulate, indicates that visa applications can be sent to [a gmail address] and the official address is stated in Çankaya district of Ankara.

It is also claimed on the website that those who get injured during a war deserves treatment, no matter at which side they are.

531 Kragar  Sep 30, 2014 10:20:33am
532 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 30, 2014 10:21:11am

re: #530 klys

ISIS, the same group that has been issuing passports for a country that only exists in their fevered dreams.

533 Lidane  Sep 30, 2014 10:21:23am

re: #531 Kragar

The Duggars are living proof that people need more than the Bible in their lives, and that homeschooling isn’t always the answer.

534 Ace-o-aces  Sep 30, 2014 10:21:46am

re: #530 klys

The right wing is certainly salivating over the story though. Made it all the way to Pamela Geller’s site.

What do you mean “all the way” to Geller’s site. It’s not like she has high standards for what she posts.

535 Charles Johnson  Sep 30, 2014 10:23:02am
536 darthstar  Sep 30, 2014 10:23:31am

re: #523 Varek Raith

I don’t know why, but that pic bothers me.
>_>

What would Pic Pedant say?

537 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Sep 30, 2014 10:24:59am

re: #501 Flavia

She also knows that running for election again would put actual scrutiny back on them & even she is smart enough to know she needs to avoid that.

The official spin is that she was hounded from office by an overzealous, revenge and sensation-seeking press. No foolin’

538 Kragar  Sep 30, 2014 10:25:08am

re: #533 Lidane

The Duggars are living proof that people need more than the Bible in their lives, and that homeschooling isn’t always the answer.

“Beware of the person of one book.”
Thomas Aquinas

539 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 30, 2014 10:25:16am

re: #535 Charles Johnson

[Embedded content]

The blue screen of death…it’s slow but certain…

540 b.d.  Sep 30, 2014 10:25:38am

re: #535 Charles Johnson

It looked normal for me when I checked on that vile site?

541 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Sep 30, 2014 10:25:47am

re: #531 Kragar

She’s so dumb I gotta ask: how does she know how to breathe?

542 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Sep 30, 2014 10:26:13am

re: #535 Charles Johnson

Looks like his “site” caught Ebola.

543 Snarknado!  Sep 30, 2014 10:26:21am

re: #531 Kragar

Because everyone loved Jews until Charlie Darwin came along and started talking about the fittest surviving and the inferior perishing.

// (you knew it wasn’t serious, right?)

544 lawhawk  Sep 30, 2014 10:27:03am

re: #523 Varek Raith

This is a legit picture of rainbow clouds in the Himalayas.

ngm.nationalgeographic.com

This is a manufactured image. It’s heavily photo edited.

545 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Sep 30, 2014 10:27:03am

re: #529 Backwoods_Sleuth

I would watch Pacman. Would be a nice horror movie.

546 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 30, 2014 10:27:21am

re: #541 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

She’s so dumb I gotta ask: how does she know how to breathe?

All she needs to know is how to pop out those quivers on a regular time schedule…

547 Snarknado!  Sep 30, 2014 10:27:49am

re: #541 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

She’s so dumb I gotta ask: how does she know how to breathe?

It’s a good thing for her it’s a reflex.

548 lawhawk  Sep 30, 2014 10:28:02am

re: #545 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

Starring Pacman Jones? /

549 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Sep 30, 2014 10:28:12am

re: #448 NJDhockeyfan

Not the Onion:

It is not, indeed. Onion has at least some truth in its satire.

550 RealityBasedSteve  Sep 30, 2014 10:28:21am

re: #535 Charles Johnson

[Embedded content]

Looks fine to me in Chrome. Browser Cache issue for you?

RBS

551 lawhawk  Sep 30, 2014 10:29:55am

re: #535 Charles Johnson

Looks okay here in Chrome.

552 RealityBasedSteve  Sep 30, 2014 10:30:36am

re: #543 Snarknado!

Because everyone loved Jews until Charlie Darwin came along and started talking about the fittest surviving and the inferior perishing.

// (you knew it wasn’t serious, right?)

They just love making up strawmen. Truth is, Hitler actually used the Germ Theory to justify a lot of his actions, and nobody says that’s evil.

By way of contrast, Hitler admired Robert Koch, an important figure in the discovery of the germ theory of disease, and compared his campaigns against the Jews and other “undesirables” to a type of social or national disinfection. But this is completely irrelevant to the universal medical/scientific acceptance of germ theory.

However, it seems that there is at least some evidence to suggest that, far from embracing Darwin’s work and social Darwinism, the Nazis tried to ban them. The 1935 edition of the official Nazi journal for lending libraries, Die Bücherei, contains a list of banned books. One of the entries in this edition of Die Bücherei is “Writings of a philosophical and social nature whose content deals with the false scientific enlightenment of primitive Darwinism and Monism (Häckel)”.[1] Rational Wiki

553 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Sep 30, 2014 10:30:41am

re: #522 NJDhockeyfan

[Embedded content]

Fake.

wafflesatnoon.com

554 klys  Sep 30, 2014 10:31:34am

re: #534 Ace-o-aces

What do you mean “all the way” to Geller’s site. It’s not like she has high standards for what she posts.

True enough.

I do wonder at where folks are seeing it to bring over and post here, sometimes. I mean, the only sites I found mentioning it were RWNJ haunts with low standards.

555 Charles Johnson  Sep 30, 2014 10:32:47am
556 HappyWarrior  Sep 30, 2014 10:33:10am

Duggar should ask the numerous Jewish German scientists who were persecuted by the Nazis if it was Darwinan theory that led to the Holocaust. The fact of the matter is the Nazis were able to perfect the Anti-Semitism that had been in Europe for generations before them and it was Anti-Semitism believed by many a fundamentalist like Duggar and her family. I think LGF’s Jewish community would agree with me here when I say that things like the blood libel or blaming Jews for the death of Christ had a much bigger impact than Darwin’s theories on the Holocaust and incidents of mass violence against Jews.

557 HappyWarrior  Sep 30, 2014 10:33:53am

re: #535 Charles Johnson

[Embedded content]

Mi ojos.

558 Charles Johnson  Sep 30, 2014 10:34:04am

re: #550 RealityBasedSteve

Looks fine to me in Chrome. Browser Cache issue for you?

RBS

No - it’s something that doesn’t show up every time. I know what it is but I’m not going to say it publicly, because reasons.

559 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Sep 30, 2014 10:35:22am

re: #556 HappyWarrior

had a much bigger impact than Darwin’s theories on the Holocaust and incidents of mass violence against Jews.

True. Anything is much bigger than nothing.

560 Varek Raith  Sep 30, 2014 10:36:15am

re: #535 Charles Johnson

[Embedded content]

Ye gods man!

561 Pie-onist Overlord  Sep 30, 2014 10:37:38am

re: #556 HappyWarrior

Duggar should ask the numerous Jewish German scientists who were persecuted by the Nazis if it was Darwinan theory that led to the Holocaust. The fact of the matter is the Nazis were able to perfect the Anti-Semitism that had been in Europe for generations before them and it was Anti-Semitism believed by many a fundamentalist like Duggar and her family. I think LGF’s Jewish community would agree with me here when I say that things like the blood libel or blaming Jews for the death of Christ had a much bigger impact than Darwin’s theories on the Holocaust and incidents of mass violence against Jews.

I believe that many right-wingers have something that can only be described as “Holocaust Envy” which means, they want to claim the status of victimhood and the tasty martyr cookies that come with being a “Holocaust Victim” but without any of the actual genocide and suffering.

They co-opt the Holocaust for their pet causes like Gun Control, Abortion, and Homophobia.

Just yesterday I had to stamp out a swarm of these idiots who believe that a random bunch of people with guns could have prevented the Holocaust.

Actually they would have made the job easier by eagerly volunteering to go round up Teh Juice using THERE GUNZ!!!!!

562 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Sep 30, 2014 10:37:47am

re: #552 RealityBasedSteve

True. Also, the Protocols of the Elders of Zion were written by a creationist - like that clueless idiot.

Do not suppose for a moment that these statements are empty words: think carefully of the successes we arranged for Darwinism, Marxism, Nietzsche-ism. To us Jews, at any rate, it should be plain to see what a disintegrating importance these directives have had upon the minds of the GOYIM.

563 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 30, 2014 10:38:17am

In Louisville, Ky., right nw:

564 HappyWarrior  Sep 30, 2014 10:38:26am

re: #562 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

True. Also, the Protocols of the Elders of Zion were written by a creationist - like that clueless idiot.

A devout Russian Orthodox.

565 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Sep 30, 2014 10:38:36am

re: #543 Snarknado!

Because everyone loved Jews until Charlie Darwin came along and started talking about the fittest surviving and the inferior perishing.

// (you knew it wasn’t serious, right?)

Market Darwinism is fine; winner takes it all and forms a monopoly.

566 HappyWarrior  Sep 30, 2014 10:39:26am

re: #561 Pie-onist Overlord

I believe that many right-wingers have something that can only be described as “Holocaust Envy” which means, they want to claim the status of victimhood and the tasty martyr cookies that come with being a “Holocaust Victim” but without any of the actual genocide and suffering.

They co-opt the Holocaust for their pet causes like Gun Control, Abortion, and Homophobia.

Just yesterday I had to stamp out a swarm of these idiots who believe that a random bunch of people with guns could have prevented the Holocaust.

Actually they would have made the job easier by eagerly volunteering to go round up Teh Juice using THERE GUNZ!!!!!

I find it utterly offensive that they do that. It’s disgusting to me. I had family that died in the Nazi years too. It disgusts me to see people who can’t handle their views being criticized to some of the worst mass murder in history.

567 danarchy  Sep 30, 2014 10:39:53am

re: #540 b.d.

It looked normal for me when I checked on that vile site?

Yeah, I went to take a peek and it is the the same old white background black text.

568 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Sep 30, 2014 10:40:18am

re: #564 HappyWarrior

A devout Russian Orthodox.

That we don’t know for sure. But certainly the one catering to the mentality exhibited by Jessa Dumber.

569 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 30, 2014 10:41:17am
570 HappyWarrior  Sep 30, 2014 10:41:43am

Orthodox theology, however, remained Anti-Semitic. An example of religion based Anti-Semitism, The Way of the Pilgrim, a very popular and influential late nineteenth century Orthodox spiritual book. Donald Grayston writes that the spiritual contained many Anti-Semitic passages that Christian perceptions of Jews. The most blatant is of the Christian pilgrim protagonist visiting a Jewish inn owner telling of his father who as a young man was an avowed “enemy of Christians” and rabbinical student who mocked and desecrated a Christian skull that he found in a cemetery. The young man was then haunted by the ghost of the skull and so haunted was he that he converted to Christianity. The narrative in the story reflects Christian perceptions of Jews hating Christianity and in this case even resorting to desecrating skulls. Citing the same spiritual, Grayston criticizes the writer for describing Jewish criticisms of Christian theology as “gossip” or “chit-chat” adding that this was even sadder given the writer of The Pilgrim’s Tale was the son of a Jewish convert to Christianity. Russian Christians can be summarized by the reactions of their leaders to pogroms and their writings about Judaism saw Judaism as a threat to their religious faith and saw the Jewish people as evil villains. Religion played a key part in developing Russian Anti-Semitism but it was far from the only factor

571 Kragar  Sep 30, 2014 10:42:01am

I find it ironic when people who organize national political movements, have their own radio shows, and who travel around the country freely proclaiming their views claim they’re being treated like the Jews in Nazi Germany.

Maybe I’m just funny that way.

572 ausador  Sep 30, 2014 10:44:07am
573 Bulworth  Sep 30, 2014 10:44:29am

re:
#571

And have their own, most-watched, cable network news station, which has teh much better ratings than CNN and MSNBC combined, as they’re always proud to remind us.

But, yep, persecuted to the nth degree.

574 HappyWarrior  Sep 30, 2014 10:45:02am

re: #571 Kragar

I find it ironic when people who organize national political movements, have their own radio shows, and who travel around the country freely proclaiming their views claim they’re being treated like the Jews in Nazi Germany.

Maybe I’m just funny that way.

I hate to play the Godwin card but they really are more closer to the persecutors of the European Jews than they are the European Jews. Them allying themselves with pushes for capital punishment for being gay and their scapegoating of Muslims. VB’s right. They got Holocaust victim envy.

575 wrenchwench  Sep 30, 2014 10:45:04am
576 Eventual Carrion  Sep 30, 2014 10:45:17am

re: #517 Backwoods_Sleuth

heh…

[Embedded content]

3-4-5-6, just like my luggage.

577 ausador  Sep 30, 2014 10:45:34am
578 Lidane  Sep 30, 2014 10:45:50am

re: #572 ausador

I haven’t even upgraded to Win 8. Why in the hell would I care about Win 10 now? Pfft.

579 Varek Raith  Sep 30, 2014 10:46:11am

re: #572 ausador

[Embedded content]

For real this time?
Because that was an April Fool’s joke last year.

580 The Ghost of a Flea  Sep 30, 2014 10:46:11am

re: #556 HappyWarrior

Duggar should ask the numerous Jewish German scientists who were persecuted by the Nazis if it was Darwinan theory that led to the Holocaust. The fact of the matter is the Nazis were able to perfect the Anti-Semitism that had been in Europe for generations before them and it was Anti-Semitism believed by many a fundamentalist like Duggar and her family. I think LGF’s Jewish community would agree with me here when I say that things like the blood libel or blaming Jews for the death of Christ had a much bigger impact than Darwin’s theories on the Holocaust and incidents of mass violence against Jews.

Blaming Darwin deflects attention from all the people—not just Nazis and Germans, but their allies—who were down with anti-Semitic violence because they had a long cultural tradition of pogroms explicitly motivated by European Christian’s tradition of anti-Semitism.

I mean, NSDAP wasn’t exactly coherent in its larger worldview. You had mystics and materialists butting elbows even in the top elbows, and that dissonance applies down to their deepest ideas about racism.

581 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 30, 2014 10:47:56am
582 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Sep 30, 2014 10:48:19am

re: #578 Lidane

I haven’t even upgraded to Win 8. Why in the hell would I care about Win 10 now? Pfft.

Maybe that’s the trick they’re trying to play, making the people think they’re hopelessly outdated?

583 ausador  Sep 30, 2014 10:48:26am

re: #578 Lidane

I haven’t even upgraded to Win 8. Why in the hell would I care about Win 10 now? Pfft.

Because a lot of people wont upgrade to Win8, they have heard too many bad things about it. So now they are bringing out Win10 early next year with GUI features that are more like Win7 to try to get folks to upgrade.

584 Feline Fearless Leader  Sep 30, 2014 10:48:56am

re: #565 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Market Darwinism is fine; winner takes it all and forms a monopoly.

But they dislike the pressures of a changing regulatory environment.
/

585 Varek Raith  Sep 30, 2014 10:49:03am

I still use XP on one of my pcs. It is no longer is connected to the web though.

586 Eventual Carrion  Sep 30, 2014 10:49:15am

re: #537 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

The official spin is that she was hounded from office by an overzealous, revenge and sensation-seeking press. No foolin’

So she is a coward rather than a quitter.

587 HappyWarrior  Sep 30, 2014 10:49:37am

re: #580 The Ghost of a Flea

Blaming Darwin deflects attention from all the people—not just Nazis and Germans, but their allies—who were down with anti-Semitic violence because they had a long cultural tradition of pogroms explicitly motivated by European Christian’s tradition of anti-Semitism.

I mean, NSDAP wasn’t exactly coherent in its larger worldview. You had mystics and materialists butting elbows even in the top elbows, and that dissonance applies down to their deepest ideas about racism.

Precisely. I think a lot of Christians are in denial about how rampant Anti-Semitism was in Christianity throughout the centuries before the Holocaust. What the Nazis were able to do was modernize and perfect almost machine like the Anti-Semitism that had been there for ages. And conservatives will never admit but the worst anti-semitism in Europe was firmly on the right and what’s more is many rightists blamed Jews for Marxism, socialism, and liberalism. There is no nation in Europe that has an unsoiled record on Anti-Semitism. It was a problem from the British Isles to the steppes of Russia and everywhere in between.

588 Eventual Carrion  Sep 30, 2014 10:50:32am

re: #544 lawhawk

This is a legit picture of rainbow clouds in the Himalayas.

ngm.nationalgeographic.com

This is a manufactured image. It’s heavily photo edited.

Damn, and it looked so cool.

589 RealityBasedSteve  Sep 30, 2014 10:52:10am

What happened to 9??? It’s a conspiracy I tell you!!! Get off my CPU you darn kids.

RBS

590 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 30, 2014 10:53:21am

Older news, but also Secret Service incompetence on display:

591 HappyWarrior  Sep 30, 2014 10:53:30am

The Anti-Semitism wasn’t just European though. It was over here in the US too. It was present when we turned back Jewish refugees fleeing Nazi Germany. It was there when Jews were accused of “stirring up negroes” in the Civil Rights Movement. And it’s definitely still there when people like Pat Robertson say that Ariel Sharon having a stroke was divine punishment for not doign what the Bible says.

592 Pie-onist Overlord  Sep 30, 2014 10:53:36am

re: #572 ausador

[Embedded content]

What happened to Windows 9?

593 ausador  Sep 30, 2014 10:56:34am

re: #589 RealityBasedSteve

What happened to 9??? It’s a conspiracy I tell you!!! Get off my CPU you darn kids.

RBS

re: #592 Pie-onist Overlord

What happened to Windows 9?

I don’t know, for some reason they are calling the next release 10 instead of 9 though, haven’t heard any explanation why yet.

594 RealityBasedSteve  Sep 30, 2014 10:58:46am

Funny thing is… I was reading an article a few days ago on what it might be called… All of the documentation kept refering to “Windows X” and the assumption was that was a placeholder for what would be the actual name.

Who knows?

Steve Balmer….. but I’m not asking him.

RBS

595 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 30, 2014 10:58:49am

re: #593 ausador

I don’t know, for some reason they are calling the next release 10 instead of 9 though, haven’t heard any explanation why yet.

8.1 is 8+1=9.

It’s sorta like new math…

596 Eventual Carrion  Sep 30, 2014 10:58:57am

re: #593 ausador

I don’t know, for some reason they are calling the next release 10 instead of 9 though, haven’t heard any explanation why yet.

7 8 9

597 RealityBasedSteve  Sep 30, 2014 11:04:50am

re: #596 Eventual Carrion

7 8 9

and Window 8.1 actually shows 6.3 when you run “VER”.

Ah… 6+3 = 9 as does 8+1, We are on to you, you tricky devils.

RBS

598 Eventual Carrion  Sep 30, 2014 11:06:41am

re: #597 RealityBasedSteve

and Window 8.1 actually shows 6.3 when you run “VER”.

Ah… 6+3 = 9 as does 8+1, We are on to you, you tricky devils.

RBS

I was going more for the sounding out:

7 ate 9

That is where 9 went.

599 A Mom Anon  Sep 30, 2014 11:36:42am

re: #419 Bulworth

It seems here in GA we have a serial dog burner(s). They’re using some sort of chemical to pour on dogs and then tie them to trees to die. So far it’s happened 6 times in the last few months, with the most recent one being found yesterday. A female Rottweiler who will be headed to a rescue group in New York to finish her rehab after she undergoes another surgery.

I don’t know what happens to break someone to the point they think hurting animals is amusing, but I do know those people are a danger to the rest of us, not just our pets.

600 CriticalDragon1177  Sep 30, 2014 1:16:54pm

re: #128 CriticalDragon1177

re: #238 CriticalDragon1177

Another update for you guys, PG1701, talks about how we “only discriminate” against Christians by not allowing people to discriminate against gay people, but still allowing Muslims to refuse to sell anything with pork in it.


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