In an “Open Carry” State Like Ohio, Why Was John Crawford Shot by Police in Wal-Mart?

The answer is pretty clear
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Here’s a great article at Salon by Heather Digby Parton on America’s messed up and often racist gun culture, and why “Open Carry” groups don’t understand the factors that create police brutality like the shooting of John Crawford in an Ohio Wal-Mart.

After finally being allowed to view the video of the police shooting of a man in an Ohio Wal-Mart, it’s very hard for any reasonable person to conclude that the authorities acted responsibly. They appear not to have given him any chance to drop the toy gun in his hand before shooting him. It’s possible that they were persuaded by the frightened 911 caller that they were entering a deadly situation, but there’s no evidence they heard anything but a description and location of a black man with an afro, wearing jeans and a T-shirt carrying a rifle and threatening people in Wal-Mart. An Ohio grand jury seems to have thought that it was reasonable for police in that situation to shoot first and ask questions later.

If you didn’t know it was a toy gun, it’s easy to see why someone might be afraid. Any time you see people casually carrying guns around you know there’s the potential for a deadly accident or some kind of altercation resulting in death. But obviously, the answer to that problem is not for the police to simply shoot them down. In fact, Ohio is an open carry state, which means that it is perfectly legal to walk around Wal-Mart with a real AR-15 much less a toy they sell right there in the store.

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…Open carry advocates stage demonstrations to “exercise” their right to wear firearms in public all the time. For example, in May a couple of men in Medina, Ohio, walked the streets with such guns slung casually over their backs. Police were called numerous times by people alarmed at the sight of two men carrying AR-15 rifles in the town square. (You can listen to the 911 calls here.) But interestingly, in this case the police didn’t deploy a SWAT team or rush in with guns drawn and start shooting:

Their encounter with police was captured on video cameras, carried by both the men and the officers, which showed the men at first refusing to show their identification when approached by officers. The men complied only after an officer told them they would be disarmed if they didn’t. The officers said they were justified in demanding the IDs because of the 911 calls and because one of the men fumbled when asked his age.

The demand for the ID was the key issue cited by several demonstrators. “We have a constitutional right to carry a firearm to protect ourselves,” said Harry Wynn, of Stow, who wore an AR-15 across his chest and also carried a Glock 30. “Nobody should get forced ID’d because they have a firearm — I don’t care how many 911 calls came in.”

They were asked politely for their IDs. And when they provided them they were allowed to keep walking around in public with real AR-15s. A couple of weeks later a local open carry group staged a demonstration and the police didn’t ID any of them, much less shoot any of them, as they walked up and down the streets of Medina.

Read the whole thing.

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122 comments
1 lawhawk  Oct 1, 2014 10:19:10am

Racism appears to have a role in these excessive force incidents. How is it that two white men aren’t gunned down for walking in the streets with actual AR-15s, while a black guy walking around with a toy BB gun in a Walmart is gunned down without so much as a warning?

When you strip away all the extraneous bits, you’re left with a law enforcement that is more than willing to use force against blacks than whites, even when the whites actually pose a greater threat (as in carrying actual weapons).

Compounding that is a prosecutors office that is willing to give law enforcement slack in excessive force/police brutality issues because there’s often a close relationship between the two, and getting an objective investigation and assessment of the cases is tough. The deck is stacked against someone who is on the receiving end of a police brutality case (or officer-involved shooting).

2 Schadenboner  Oct 1, 2014 10:19:46am

TL, DR: Because he was a Ni*CLANG*?

3 HappyWarrior  Oct 1, 2014 10:21:45am

We have a race problem and despite what wingnuts say, it’s not racist to point that out.

4 Ace-o-aces  Oct 1, 2014 10:23:10am

While it does seem the ammosexuals at Ohio Open Carry are upset over Crawford’s shooting, they do seem in denial that it had anything to do with race.

5 Targetpractice  Oct 1, 2014 10:23:31am

Hate to go OT so soon, but if true then somebody’s got some ‘splainin’ to do:

6 Dr Lizardo  Oct 1, 2014 10:28:11am

re: #5 Targetpractice

Hate to go OT so soon, but if true then somebody’s got some ‘splainin’ to do:

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Sounds like the staff at the hospital failed to put two and two together to make the connection. Good thing the patient returned to the hospital a couple of days later.

7 Schadenboner  Oct 1, 2014 10:28:54am

I feel a bit dirty suggesting this, but if Crawford had a right to walk in public with a weapon and this right was infringed (viz, by being shot and killed by the police, apparently for the exercise of this right) then surely there’s (yet another) civil rights claim to be made here.

8 Targetpractice  Oct 1, 2014 10:29:54am

re: #6 Dr Lizardo

Sounds like the staff at the hospital failed to put two and two together to make the connection. Good thing the patient returned to the hospital a couple of days later.

I’m curious to what she means by “sent away.” Did they do basic exam on him, find out where he was from, and write off his symptoms? Or did they hear that he was from Liberia, put two and two together, and decide he was a potential Ebola carrier and kicked him out for fear of being infected?

9 Rightwingconspirator  Oct 1, 2014 10:30:15am

Quick note before I dive into the article…Police don’t even understand our right to use a camera in public, let alone how gun laws actually work. They are far too busy imposing their own “street” sanctioned views and lying to warp the report into the letter of the law.

CCW permitees know this well.

Now the Salon article seems to ignore a key difference in circumstances-Namely a march is very different than an individual that had a 9/11
‘man aiming a gun” inside a store.

I offer 3 solutions.
Better police training. Better police training. Finally, better police training.

10 Dr Lizardo  Oct 1, 2014 10:30:49am

re: #8 Targetpractice

I’m curious to what she means by “sent away.” Did they do basic exam on him, find out where he was from, and write off his symptoms? Or did they hear that he was from Liberia, put two and two together, and decide he was a potential Ebola carrier and kicked him out for fear of being infected?

Good question; hopefully, there will be an internal investigation to determine precisely what happened.

11 HappyWarrior  Oct 1, 2014 10:31:44am

You never hear about the open carry yahoos in Texas being shot at by police. Gee I wonder why.

12 Targetpractice  Oct 1, 2014 10:33:07am

re: #11 HappyWarrior

You never hear about the open carry yahoos in Texas being shot at by police. Gee I wonder why.

I can honestly say I’ve yet to hear of an open-carry demonstrator getting shot by police. The worst I hear is cops ask for ID or try to bar them from entry on the grounds of public safety. None have simply been gunned down where they stood without warning or offer to surrender.

13 Bulworth  Oct 1, 2014 10:34:15am
“Nobody should get forced ID’d because they have a firearm — I don’t care how many 911 calls came in.”

I hate when I get forced ID’d when I’m carrying my glocks and bazookas around. Getting forced ID’d is like the Holocaust.

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14 HappyWarrior  Oct 1, 2014 10:37:26am

re: #12 Targetpractice

I can honestly say I’ve yet to hear of an open-carry demonstrator getting shot by police. The worst I hear is cops ask for ID or try to bar them from entry on the grounds of public safety. None have simply been gunned down where they stood without warning or offer to surrender.

Yeah I can’t say I have either.

15 jonhendry  Oct 1, 2014 10:37:41am

re: #8 Targetpractice

I’m curious to what she means by “sent away.” Did they do basic exam on him, find out where he was from, and write off his symptoms? Or did they hear that he was from Liberia, put two and two together, and decide he was a potential Ebola carrier and kicked him out for fear of being infected?

Maybe it was a payment issue. “He’s from Liberia. We’re not going to get paid for this. Send him home.”

16 Rightwingconspirator  Oct 1, 2014 10:38:21am

re: #12 Targetpractice

So far (as this could happen), we don’t have a panicked cop rolling up hot on a reported bad guy with a gun or reported shooting at one of these open carry marches.

Of course just taking pictures of these police or recording them just writing a ticket may result in an angry demand to see my papers. Um I mean my ID.

17 HappyWarrior  Oct 1, 2014 10:39:19am

re: #13 Bulworth

I hate when I get forced ID’d when I’m carrying my glocks and bazookas around. Getting forced ID’d is like the Holocaust.

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You jest but they actually believe that just like their fundamentalist zealot brethren believe that criticizing opponents of same sex marriage is like the Holocaust. Perspective, they has none.

18 RealityBasedSteve  Oct 1, 2014 10:39:38am

re: #8 Targetpractice

I’m curious to what she means by “sent away.” Did they do basic exam on him, find out where he was from, and write off his symptoms? Or did they hear that he was from Liberia, put two and two together, and decide he was a potential Ebola carrier and kicked him out for fear of being infected?

What I heard on NPR this morning is the he had something like low grade flu symptoms, the hospital ran some tests that didn’t show anything obvious, they sent him off with a course of antibiotics.

RBS

19 Targetpractice  Oct 1, 2014 10:39:45am

re: #15 jonhendry

Maybe it was a payment issue. “He’s from Liberia. We’re not going to get paid for this. Send him home.”

Seems I was wrong, he wasn’t kicked out, the staff were just utter idiots:

Sister: US Ebola patient said he was from Liberia

Mai Wureh told The Associated Press that her brother, Thomas Eric Duncan, went to a Dallas emergency room on Friday and was sent him away with antibiotics. He returned two days later to Texas Health Presbyterian Hospital and was admitted.

Dr. Mark Lester confirmed Wednesday that a nurse asked Duncan on his first visit whether he had been in an area affected by the Ebola outbreak that has killed thousands in West Africa but that the “information was not fully communicated throughout the whole team.”

20 jonhendry  Oct 1, 2014 10:39:52am

re: #9 Rightwingconspirator

“Now the Salon article seems to ignore a key difference in circumstances-Namely a march is very different than an individual that had a 9/11
‘man aiming a gun” inside a store.”

The Salon article mentions an incident in Ohio which was two guys walking around open carrying, which police learned about through 911 calls.

21 Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 1, 2014 10:41:15am

re: #8 Targetpractice

I’m curious to what she means by “sent away.” Did they do basic exam on him, find out where he was from, and write off his symptoms? Or did they hear that he was from Liberia, put two and two together, and decide he was a potential Ebola carrier and kicked him out for fear of being infected?

Maybe he had no insurance.

22 Pie-onist Overlord  Oct 1, 2014 10:41:40am

re: #19 Targetpractice

Seems I was wrong, he wasn’t kicked out, the staff were just utter idiots:

Sister: US Ebola patient said he was from Liberia

There is an obvious explanation:

They asked if he had insurance, he said no, they didn’t want to admit him for further observation and testing BECAUSE WHO WILL PAY FOR IT!!!!!!

23 Rightwingconspirator  Oct 1, 2014 10:42:00am

re: #20 jonhendry

It does, although that’s different than the Wal Mart incident, which is more to my point. Interesting that there would be 911 calls from citizens in a state where open carry is legal.

24 Schadenboner  Oct 1, 2014 10:42:20am

re: #18 RealityBasedSteve

What I heard on NPR this morning is the he had something like low grade flu symptoms, the hospital ran some tests that didn’t show anything obvious, they sent him off with a course of antibiotics.

RBS

This angers me even more.

25 Kragar  Oct 1, 2014 10:42:25am
26 Pie-onist Overlord  Oct 1, 2014 10:42:59am

re: #21 Backwoods_Sleuth

Maybe he had no insurance.

*DING DING DING*

And those “out of network” ER physicians have to get their $117,000 fees somehow

27 Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 1, 2014 10:43:58am

re: #19 Targetpractice

Seems I was wrong, he wasn’t kicked out, the staff were just utter idiots:

Sister: US Ebola patient said he was from Liberia

…went to a Dallas emergency room on Friday and was sent him away with antibiotics.

antibiotics for the flu…oh dear.

28 Targetpractice  Oct 1, 2014 10:44:33am

re: #24 Schadenboner

This angers me even more.

Agreed, the story as told to the AP reads like a stereotypical “Make him go away” ER visit, tossing him a useless bottle of antibiotics just to make the patient shut up without proving that there’s an infection that the damned antibiotics would cure.

29 Pie-onist Overlord  Oct 1, 2014 10:44:45am

re: #27 Backwoods_Sleuth

antibiotics for the flu…oh dear.

Like last night’s episode of NCIS: New Orleans, “vaccine” for Bubonic Plague

30 HappyWarrior  Oct 1, 2014 10:44:48am

re: #25 Kragar

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That’s even more pathetic than I thought.

31 ObserverArt  Oct 1, 2014 10:45:08am

Hey all. Haven’t been spending a lot of time here lately. Too bummed out by life currently. Trying to build up some new design business is just not going like I would like. Getting payment for a big job is also not going well.

Of course, stories like this and the sidebar article on the Supreme’s allowing Ohio’s shortened voting period just bums me out too much and are not helping at all.

I’m getting bad feelings about the November elections too. I still hope for the Dems to hold the senate, but I just don’t know anymore. Seems like the Republicans have done a good job of selling the crazy talk to the uninformed. It’s going to come down to turnout and locally it just seems like people are sort of going with the flow and will accept the crap that is coming.

Of course, looking at another Kasich term as Ohio governor in what will probably be a huge voting margin does not help.

I guess Americans are going to need the real hard lesson to wake the hell up before they try to change things.

Sigh.

32 HappyWarrior  Oct 1, 2014 10:47:09am

Their obsession that President Obama is secretly gay just isn’t healthy. But then again these are people who really do believe that allowing gays to marry is something that Hitler would have done and that Nazism was evil not because of the ideology of hate but because of a few gay members like Ernst Rohm. These people make the Clinton murders people look like serious scholars.

33 Sionainn  Oct 1, 2014 10:47:14am

re: #18 RealityBasedSteve

What I heard on NPR this morning is the he had something like low grade flu symptoms, the hospital ran some tests that didn’t show anything obvious, they sent him off with a course of antibiotics.

RBS

Since when do antibiotics help with flu symptoms?

34 Bulworth  Oct 1, 2014 10:48:58am
“Nobody should get forced ID’d because they have a firearm — I don’t care how many 911 calls came in.”

How do we distinguish between the good guys with the guns and the bad guys with the guns if we don’t know who the F they are?

35 jonhendry  Oct 1, 2014 10:49:05am

re: #23 Rightwingconspirator

“It does, although that’s different than the Wal Mart incident, which is more to my point. Interesting that there would be 911 calls from citizens in a state where open carry is legal.”

It’s legal, but it’s weird. In 2014, you see someone carrying a rifle and you expect a killing spree, unless the person looks like they’re coming back from a hunt.

Civilians are entirely rational to call 911. Cops, on the other hand, ought to be more cautious in their reaction.

36 Randall Gross  Oct 1, 2014 10:49:18am

Maybe Kroger’s needs a black man bb gun demonstration to change their policies. Or is it too soon to crack wise about this horrible abuse of power and unnecessary death?

37 NJDhockeyfan  Oct 1, 2014 10:49:48am

Oh no..

38 Schadenboner  Oct 1, 2014 10:50:16am

re: #32 HappyWarrior

Their obsession that President Obama is secretly gay just isn’t healthy. But then again these are people who really do believe that allowing gays to marry is something that Hitler would have done and that Nazism was evil not because of the ideology of hate but because of a few gay members like Ernst Rohm. These people make the Clinton murders people look like serious scholars.

…Who was apparently arrested on the (morning of the) night of the long knives in bed with a teenaged brownshirt.

Hitler, shockingly, was less than open-minded and liberal in his response to this.

39 RealityBasedSteve  Oct 1, 2014 10:51:04am

re: #34 Bulworth

How do we distinguish between the good guys with the guns and the bad guys with the guns if we don’t know who the F they are?

You just check the melanin level. Duh….

RBS

40 Kragar  Oct 1, 2014 10:51:20am

re: #29 Pie-onist Overlord

Like last night’s episode of NCIS: New Orleans, “vaccine” for Bubonic Plague

Multiple crime TV shows, IT “experts” giving IP addresses using numbers over 255

41 Bubblehead II  Oct 1, 2014 10:51:22am

Horrible Rick Scott political ad.

42 Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 1, 2014 10:51:29am

re: #37 NJDhockeyfan

Oh no..

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Such abuse of spelling and grammar in that tweet, not to mention a really horrible misplaced modifier.

43 jonhendry  Oct 1, 2014 10:53:22am

re: #40 Kragar

IP addresses with numbers over 255 is probably like using 555-1212 as a TV phone number. If you give a valid address, someone will try to connect to it or worse. Worst-case you get a bunch of people doing it and an unintentional DDOS attack on somebody.

44 iossarian  Oct 1, 2014 10:53:23am

re: #41 Bubblehead II

Horrible Rick Scott political ad.

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WE TAKE WOMEN’S ISSUES SERIOUSLY LOOK HERE IS A COMMERCIAL BASED ON WEDDING FANTASIES

45 Timothy Watson  Oct 1, 2014 10:54:16am

re: #38 Schadenboner

…Who was apparently arrested on the (morning of the) night of the long knives in bed with a teenaged brownshirt.

Hitler, shockingly, was less than open-minded and liberal in his response to this.

Hitler didn’t care what his supporters did unless they became a threat to him.

46 RealityBasedSteve  Oct 1, 2014 10:54:24am

re: #43 jonhendry

IP addresses with numbers over 255 is probably like using 555-1212 as a TV phone number. If you give a valid address, someone will try to connect to it or worse. Worst-case you get a bunch of people doing it and an unintentional DDOS attack on somebody.

555-1212, that number is familiar. Yea, the last 6 women got a number from had that. They must all live at the same place.

RBS

47 Dr Lizardo  Oct 1, 2014 10:54:37am

re: #38 Schadenboner

…Who was apparently arrested on the (morning of the) night of the long knives in bed with a teenaged brownshirt.

Hitler, shockingly, was less than open-minded and liberal in his response to this.

What’s even more hypocritical is that Hitler knew full well about Röhm - after all, Ernst Röhm was the only person who addressed Hitler with the familiar “du” form in German, and Hitler once remarked when another Nazi questioned why a man like Röhm was allowed in the party that “A man’s morals are his own - what matters is how he (Röhm) serves the party and its mission”.

Hitler suddenly claiming moral outrage over something he’d known for years is the zenith of bald-faced hypocrisy and duplicity.

48 Schadenboner  Oct 1, 2014 10:54:52am

re: #28 Targetpractice

No. Not “useless antibiotics”.

At least they weren’t useless before overuse made resistance ever-more ubiquitous.

Seriously, I have a young child who is (very, very slightly) medically frail. I understand the impulse to dose every fever with antibiotics.

I just expect better from actual medical professionals.

49 Kragar  Oct 1, 2014 10:55:36am

re: #37 NJDhockeyfan

Oh no..

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OK, something I just can’t understand.

A few years back, the USN adopted ocean blue cammies as the work uniform.

Now, call me nuts, but if you fall into the fucking ocean, isn’t being camouflaged the absolute last fucking thing you would want to be?

50 Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 1, 2014 10:55:58am

re: #48 Schadenboner

No. Not “useless antibiotics”.

At least they weren’t useless before overuse made resistance ever-more ubiquitous.

Seriously, I have a young child who is (very, very slightly) medically frail. I *understand* the impulse to dose every fever with antibiotics.

I just expect better from actual medical professionals.

Antibiotics are indeed useless when treating a virus.

51 Schadenboner  Oct 1, 2014 10:56:17am

re: #49 Kragar

OK, something I just can’t understand.

A few years back, the USN adopted ocean blue cammies as the work uniform.

Now, call me nuts, but if you fall into the fucking ocean, isn’t being camouflaged the absolute last fucking thing you would want to be?

I think the mae wests they use now are blaze.

52 Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 1, 2014 10:56:48am

re: #49 Kragar

OK, something I just can’t understand.

A few years back, the USN adopted ocean blue cammies as the work uniform.

Now, call me nuts, but if you fall into the fucking ocean, isn’t being camouflaged the absolute last fucking thing you would want to be?

I’m amused that the tweet’s misplaced modifier implies that an entire ship is missing.

53 Kragar  Oct 1, 2014 10:57:46am

re: #43 jonhendry

IP addresses with numbers over 255 is probably like using 555-1212 as a TV phone number. If you give a valid address, someone will try to connect to it or worse. Worst-case you get a bunch of people doing it and an unintentional DDOS attack on somebody.

Youtube Video

54 Shiplord Kirel  Oct 1, 2014 10:58:10am

“EBOLA’S HERE! CLOSE THE BORDERS! CLOSE THE BORDERS!”

“Er, the patient came on a flight from Brussels.”

“CLOSE THE BORDER WITH BRUSSELS!”

55 Targetpractice  Oct 1, 2014 10:58:27am

re: #50 Backwoods_Sleuth

Antibiotics are indeed useless when treating a virus.

Indeed, which is why you actually confirm the presence of a bacterial infection before you prescribe antibiotics. Or, at least that’s the way it’s supposed to work. If you hear “flu-like symptoms” and toss a patient a bottle of antibiotics, then you’re not helping them in the least.

57 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Oct 1, 2014 10:59:19am

re: #56 Lidane

*headdesk*

Tony Perkins: Gun-Toting Texans, Not Liberal New Englanders, Will Stop The Terrorists

Especially if the terrorists come armed with toy guns.

58 Kragar  Oct 1, 2014 10:59:36am

re: #56 Lidane

*headdesk*

Tony Perkins: Gun-Toting Texans, Not Liberal New Englanders, Will Stop The Terrorists

Is that anything like “Brave Southern boys will drive back the Yankees”?

59 Timothy Watson  Oct 1, 2014 11:00:16am

re: #29 Pie-onist Overlord

Like last night’s episode of NCIS: New Orleans, “vaccine” for Bubonic Plague

NCIS, don’t get me started.

I’m pretty sure it’s worse than CSI at this point.

60 Pie-onist Overlord  Oct 1, 2014 11:01:23am

Is this a parody account?

61 Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 1, 2014 11:01:27am

Ebola virus looks like a Disney character:

62 Shiplord Kirel  Oct 1, 2014 11:01:58am

You know who else is in Brussels? That’s right, the EU and NATO headquarters! Drone Central! The patient is a human chemtrail! WAKE UP, SHEEPLE! And beat the ebola attack and big pharma with my line of nutriceutical supplements and probiotic chelating agents!

63 b.d.  Oct 1, 2014 11:02:33am

re: #61 Backwoods_Sleuth

Ebola virus looks like a Disney character:

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BREAKING!: DISNEY TO SUE THE EBOLA VIRUS FOR COPYRIGHT INFRINGEMENT

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64 Decatur Deb  Oct 1, 2014 11:03:19am

re: #23 Rightwingconspirator

It does, although that’s different than the Wal Mart incident, which is more to my point. Interesting that there would be 911 calls from citizens in a state where open carry is legal.

1. Walmart customers aren’t 2A lawyers.
2. People get shot in Walmarts
3. The pros are supposed to sort it out.

65 Kragar  Oct 1, 2014 11:03:36am

re: #41 Bubblehead II

66 Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 1, 2014 11:03:43am

re: #60 Pie-onist Overlord

Is this a parody account?

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He retweets some of your favorite RW goofballs like Feisty Floridian.

67 Pie-onist Overlord  Oct 1, 2014 11:04:28am

Thinks Stanford University is a bogus source, cites Human Events:
*FACE PALM*

68 Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 1, 2014 11:04:59am

re: #67 Pie-onist Overlord

Thinks Stanford University is a bogus source, cites Human Events:
*FACE PALM*

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He also retweets Dana Loesch and Upchuck.

69 RealityBasedSteve  Oct 1, 2014 11:05:58am

re: #49 Kragar

OK, something I just can’t understand.

A few years back, the USN adopted ocean blue cammies as the work uniform.

Now, call me nuts, but if you fall into the fucking ocean, isn’t being camouflaged the absolute last fucking thing you would want to be?

That has been a very real issue going back quite a while… Navy praises blue uniforms after 2 sailors lost at sea, also…. Sec. of the Navy not big on them either….

It was pretty much because all the OTHER services had camo, the Navy didn’t want to feel left out.

RBS

70 Pie-onist Overlord  Oct 1, 2014 11:06:53am

re: #68 Backwoods_Sleuth

He also retweets Dana Loesch and Upchuck.

I know it can’t be our own “Happy Warrior” but why is a wingnut naming himself after Hubert Humphrey?

71 darthstar  Oct 1, 2014 11:07:34am

re: #49 Kragar

OK, something I just can’t understand.

A few years back, the USN adopted ocean blue cammies as the work uniform.

Now, call me nuts, but if you fall into the fucking ocean, isn’t being camouflaged the absolute last fucking thing you would want to be?

They would have gone with safety orange but they were afraid of deer hunters.

72 prairiefire  Oct 1, 2014 11:08:06am

Go Royals!

73 Schadenboner  Oct 1, 2014 11:09:14am

re: #67 Pie-onist Overlord

Thinks Stanford University is a bogus source, cites Human Events:
*FACE PALM*

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And of all places to try to roll to disbelieve on: Stanford? Home of the fucking Hoover Institution?

74 lawhawk  Oct 1, 2014 11:09:28am
75 Schadenboner  Oct 1, 2014 11:10:16am

re: #69 RealityBasedSteve

That has been a very real issue going back quite a while… Navy praises blue uniforms after 2 sailors lost at sea Sec. of the Navy not big on them either….

It was pretty much because all the OTHER services had camo, the Navy didn’t want to feel left out.

RBS

I’m still mourning the loss of the bellbottoms.

Village People concerts just aren’t the same without ‘em.

76 Pie-onist Overlord  Oct 1, 2014 11:13:45am

This guy is trolling me:

77 Lidane  Oct 1, 2014 11:13:56am

ZOMG VOTER FRAUD! ELEVENTY! Oh, wait…

GOPer Can’t Vote In Arkansas After Clerk Finds She Registered In Other States

The voter registration for Arkansas Republican attorney general candidate Leslie Rutledge has been canceled after Pulaski County Clerk Larry Crane found out a week ago that Rutledge had been also been registered to vote in Washington D.C., and maybe Virginia as well.

On Tuesday Crane cancelled Rutledge’s registration once he confirmed that she was registered to vote in Washington D.C., according to the Arkansas Democrat-Gazette.

Rutledge served as legal counsel for former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee’s (R) presidential campaign.

78 Kragar  Oct 1, 2014 11:14:07am

re: #69 RealityBasedSteve

That has been a very real issue going back quite a while… Navy praises blue uniforms after 2 sailors lost at sea, also…. Sec. of the Navy not big on them either….

It was pretty much because all the OTHER services had camo, the Navy didn’t want to feel left out.

RBS

I liked the part where they shot the 2 sailors they were looking for because they thought they were enemy boarders

79 darthstar  Oct 1, 2014 11:16:17am

re: #78 Kragar

I liked the part where they shot the 2 sailors they were looking for because they thought they were enemy boarders

??? Does Al Qaeda have operatives just treading water at sea waiting for unsuspecting military craft?

80 Shiplord Kirel  Oct 1, 2014 11:18:06am

re: #74 lawhawk

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Sheesh! Attention xenophobes: The airplane image is there because Muslims get on airplanes to make the pilgrimage to Mecca. Hajj transport has been big business for centuries. I don’t suppose any of these paranoids ever read Conrad’s Lord Jim (1899), in which the sailor protagonist’s career is destroyed when he abandons a shipload of Hajj pilgrims in the East Indies.

81 Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 1, 2014 11:18:30am

re: #76 Pie-onist Overlord

This guy is trolling me:

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History (dot) com aka History Channel: home of authentic history like “Pawn Stars”.

82 Pie-onist Overlord  Oct 1, 2014 11:18:35am

That guy is such a stupid fucker but he’s marginally more entertaining than the average wingnut.

83 Kragar  Oct 1, 2014 11:19:15am

re: #79 darthstar

??? Does Al Qaeda have operatives just treading water at sea waiting for unsuspecting military craft?

Can we risk assuming they dont?

84 JustMark  Oct 1, 2014 11:20:06am

re: #80 Shiplord Kirel

Sheesh! Attention xenophobes: The airplane image is there because Muslims get on airplanes to make the pilgrimage to Mecca. Hajj transport has been big business for centuries. I don’t suppose any of these paranoids ever read Conrad’s Lord Jim (1899), in which the sailor protagonist’s career is destroyed when he abandons a shipload of Hajj pilgrims in the East Indies.

So, Muslims can’t have planes now?

85 Schadenboner  Oct 1, 2014 11:20:57am

re: #77 Lidane

ZOMG VOTER FRAUD! ELEVENTY! Oh, wait…

GOPer Can’t Vote In Arkansas After Clerk Finds She Registered In Other States

When oh when will GOP leaders speak out against the criminality of their followers?

86 Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 1, 2014 11:21:43am

RALEIGH, N.C. (AP) — A federal appeals court panel is ordering parts of North Carolina’s strict new voting law set aside for next month’s elections because it is likely to disenfranchise black voters.

The 4th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals split 2-1 on Wednesday. The court says same-day registration should be allowed and ballots cast outside a voter’s assigned precinct should be considered. It says plaintiffs failed to show irreparable harm if the number of early voting days are reduced by a week.

87 Pie-onist Overlord  Oct 1, 2014 11:21:54am

re: #79 darthstar

??? Does Al Qaeda have operatives just treading water at sea waiting for unsuspecting military craft?

A couple of years ago I read a novel by David Stone, can’t recall the title (The Orpheus Something) that contained this scene:

A tanker approaches the Somali coast. Somali pirates set out in their cigarette boats to hijack the tanker. The tanker crew hauls them aboard.

The tanker crew consists of Russian gangsters.

88 Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 1, 2014 11:23:23am
89 Bulworth  Oct 1, 2014 11:23:32am

re:
#76

Democrat party was KKK!!!! Also, too: Nathan Bedford Forrest was a hero and the Confederate Flag is patriotic.

90 Feline Fearless Leader  Oct 1, 2014 11:24:15am

re: #23 Rightwingconspirator

It does, although that’s different than the Wal Mart incident, which is more to my point. Interesting that there would be 911 calls from citizens in a state where open carry is legal.

Because there are constant PSAs in the media (TV, radio, newspapers) about reporting suspicious activity in order to help the authorities react to dangerous situations or terrorist attacks in a more rapid and effective manner?

91 Shiplord Kirel  Oct 1, 2014 11:24:41am

re: #84 JustMark

So, Muslims can’t have planes now?

They can drive!

I’m only half joking. Last night a freeper suggested there was something suspicious about the Dallas ebola patient taking a “zig-zag course” through Brussels and Dulles rather than simply driving from Monrovia to Lagos for the direct flight to DFW. Map reading is apparently not a common wingnut skill.

92 darthstar  Oct 1, 2014 11:25:05am

re: #85 Schadenboner

When oh when will GOP leaders speak out against the criminality of their followers?

Or their candidates for that matter. She’s on the ballot.

93 Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 1, 2014 11:25:45am
94 Kragar  Oct 1, 2014 11:25:52am
95 Feline Fearless Leader  Oct 1, 2014 11:26:13am

re: #37 NJDhockeyfan

Oh no..

You’d think if a ship was missing they’d be looking for more than one man.

96 lawhawk  Oct 1, 2014 11:28:29am

re: #41 Bubblehead II

It’s by the CRNC. That’s the College Republican National Committee.

Can they be any more out of touch? Do they really think that this is the way to connect with voters, let alone women? This is what they think women are thinking?

Old and busted versus the new hotness?

Youtube Video

97 Lidane  Oct 1, 2014 11:29:45am

re: #41 Bubblehead II

I’m not convinced. I need to see some hybrid cars, Starbucks drinks and tattoos first.

98 Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 1, 2014 11:30:31am

re: #95 Feline Fearless Leader

You’d think if a ship was missing they’d be looking for more than one man.

Well, to be fair, the tweet says “an airmen”….

99 jaunte  Oct 1, 2014 11:31:10am

re: #41 Bubblehead II

Horrible Rick Scott political ad.

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So according to the makers of the ad, you can only get women’s attention if you talk about dresses, and older women are idiots.

100 Varek Raith  Oct 1, 2014 11:31:52am

re: #99 jaunte

So according to the makers of the ad, you can only get women’s attention if you talk about dresses, and older women are idiots.

Outreach!

101 Schadenboner  Oct 1, 2014 11:31:56am

re: #91 Shiplord Kirel

HUB AND SPOKE TRANSPORT MODEL, MOTHERFUCKER: DO YOU SPEAK IT?

102 Bulworth  Oct 1, 2014 11:32:06am

re:
#96

It’s by the CRNC. That’s the College Republican National Committee.

Don’t they have an ‘Affirmative Action Bake Sale’ to run? So rebranding. Very Christian.

103 Lidane  Oct 1, 2014 11:32:31am

re: #99 jaunte

So according to the makers of the ad, you can only get women’s attention if you talk about dresses, and older women are idiots.

And every woman thinks of things in terms of wedding dresses and marriage.

104 jaunte  Oct 1, 2014 11:33:01am

re: #91 Shiplord Kirel

driving from Monrovia to Lagos

Hey, it’s only 26 hours without traffic or customs stops.

105 RealityBasedSteve  Oct 1, 2014 11:35:36am

re: #101 Schadenboner

HUB AND SPOKE TRANSPORT MODEL, MOTHERFUCKER: DO YOU SPEAK IT?

Say ‘layover’ again. Say ‘layover’ again, I dare you, I double dare you

106 Feline Fearless Leader  Oct 1, 2014 11:36:05am

re: #103 Lidane

And every woman thinks of things in terms of wedding dresses and marriage.

I hear a lot more discussions about shoes than I do about those subjects.

107 Varek Raith  Oct 1, 2014 11:36:06am

re: #91 Shiplord Kirel

They can drive!

I’m only half joking. Last night a freeper suggested there was something suspicious about the Dallas ebola patient taking a “zig-zag course” through Brussels and Dulles rather than simply driving from Monrovia to Lagos for the direct flight to DFW. Map reading is apparently not a common wingnut skill.

Wut.

108 RealityBasedSteve  Oct 1, 2014 11:36:19am

re: #104 jaunte

Hey, it’s only 26 hours without traffic or customs stops.

Yea, but if you get your speed just right, a lot of the lights will sync up for you.

109 prairiefire  Oct 1, 2014 11:38:36am

re: #99 jaunte

They absolutely believe older women are idiots. But the few liberal women activists keep coming back at ‘em. They will duck out and run out of the room when they see one coming. Run.

110 Pie-onist Overlord  Oct 1, 2014 11:39:23am

re: #41 Bubblehead II

Horrible Rick Scott political ad.

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WTF

That doesn’t even make any fucking SENSE
Are Florida women that stupid?

111 Varek Raith  Oct 1, 2014 11:39:24am

re: #104 jaunte

Hey, it’s only 26 hours without traffic or customs stops.

Wingnuts must plan the most befuddled routes ever.

112 Bubblehead II  Oct 1, 2014 11:40:11am

re: #96 lawhawk

It’s by the CRNC. That’s the College Republican National Committee.

Can they be any more out of touch? Do they really think that this is the way to connect with voters, let alone women? This is what they think women are thinking?

Old and busted versus the new hotness?

[Embedded content]

Video

What I would really like to know is if that ad was actually aired or is it just a You Tube post.

113 Schadenboner  Oct 1, 2014 11:40:34am

re: #111 Varek Raith

Wingnuts must plan the most befuddled routes ever.

In a Humvee Hummer they probably won’t even notice.

114 Bubblehead II  Oct 1, 2014 11:41:13am

re: #99 jaunte

So according to the makers of the ad, you can only get women’s attention if you talk about dresses, and older women are idiots.

Yep.

115 jaunte  Oct 1, 2014 11:42:16am

re: #112 Bubblehead II

WaPo says it’s running on TLC:
washingtonpost.com

116 Higgs Boson's Mate  Oct 1, 2014 11:43:31am

re: #111 Varek Raith

Wingnuts must plan the most befuddled routes ever.

” in D.C.
That’s why so few of them ever show up for those “massive demonstrations

117 Bubblehead II  Oct 1, 2014 11:44:21am

re: #110 Pie-onist Overlord

WTF

That doesn’t even make any fucking SENSE
Are Florida women that stupid?

Well I did say it was a horrible ad.

118 De Kolta Chair  Oct 1, 2014 12:08:51pm

I’m pretty sure this has appeared before at lgf, but it’s a classic.

119 Stanley Sea  Oct 1, 2014 12:22:31pm

re: #115 jaunte

WaPo says it’s running on TLC:
washingtonpost.com

That is the most sexist ad I’ve seen. Holy shit.

120 DodgerFan1988  Oct 1, 2014 3:03:43pm

Michael Dunn convicted today of the murder of black teen Jordan Davis over loud music. Conservative bloggers on Glenn Beck’s website are going wingnut crazy over the verdict, defending Dunn and calling the murdered victim a thug who got what he deserved. theblaze.com

121 prairiefire  Oct 1, 2014 5:07:53pm

re: #120 DodgerFan1988

Michael Dunn convicted today of the murder of black teen Jordan Davis over loud music. Conservative bloggers on Glenn Beck’s website are going wingnut crazy over the verdict, defending Dunn and calling the murdered victim a thug who got what he deserved. theblaze.com

Justice!

122 TedStriker  Oct 1, 2014 9:31:22pm

re: #46 RealityBasedSteve

555-1212, that number is familiar. Yea, the last 6 women got a number from had that. They must all live at the same place.

RBS

Try Jenny at 867-5309…

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