Right Wing CO School Board Member: The US “Voluntarily Ended Slavery”

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The new conservative cause is attacking history courses because they don’t teach enough “American exceptionalism,” and focus instead on liberal left wing progressive stuff like facts and truth. The latest example is taking place in Colorado right now, where the state Board of Education is under siege by idiotic demagogues like businesswoman Pam Mazanec.

Mazanec, who was elected to represent Colorado’s 4th Congressional district on the board, jumped into a discussion about the AP History course framework Saturday on a Facebook page that describes itself as “a place where teachers and parents are encouraged to speak freely about their issues, questions, and concerns in the Douglas County School District.” The Colorado Independent flagged her comment on Thursday.

Mazanec’s first posts in the thread raised the possibility that the AP History course framework may have been conceived by people with an “agenda,” prompting an AP English teacher to respond by explaining that experienced AP teachers compile the courses’ exams.

She then wrote that her concern for the course “is an overly negative view of our history and many of our historical figures (if mentioned)” and cited history professors with “impressive credentials” who told her that the AP History curriculum is designed to “downplay our noble history.”

She used slavery to illustrate the point:

As an example, I note our slavery history. Yes, we practiced slavery. But we also ended it voluntarily, at great sacrifice, while the practice continues in many countries still today! Shouldn’t our students be provided that viewpoint? This is part of the argument that America is exceptional. Does our APUSH Framework support or denigrate that position?

Yes, remember that voluntary Civil War that killed 750,000 men in the North and South? Good thing it wasn’t compulsory. American exceptionalism!

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167 comments
1 Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 3, 2014 10:38:45am
2 Editor in Chief  Oct 3, 2014 10:38:53am

How many countries ended slavery before the US?

3 Kragar  Oct 3, 2014 10:40:14am

Sure, we had to kill hundreds of thousands before they would do it, but it was voluntary!

4 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Oct 3, 2014 10:40:21am

re: #2 b_sharp

How many countries ended slavery before the US?

The majority.

5 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Oct 3, 2014 10:40:46am

re: #3 Kragar

Sure, we had to kill thousands before they would do it, but it was voluntary!

But she acknowledged that, that was the “great sacrifice”.

6 Kragar  Oct 3, 2014 10:43:17am

re: #5 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

But she acknowledged that, that was the “great sacrifice”.

I’m thinking she meant the economic impact to the South more than anything else.

7 ramex  Oct 3, 2014 10:43:40am

More right wing history: indigenous peoples handed over their lands voluntarily… at great sacrifice.

8 Charles Johnson  Oct 3, 2014 10:43:55am

Jim Hoft has BREAKING NEWS that Kim Jong Un has been deposed in North Korea! Nobody else is reporting this story! Wow, Jim has scooped the whole world.

LOL: Kim Jong-Un: North Korean Leader ‘Recovering From Ankle Surgery’

9 Skip Intro  Oct 3, 2014 10:43:58am

re: #6 Kragar

I’m thinking she meant the economic impact to the South more than anything else.

I’m sure that’s exactly what she meant.

10 wrenchwench  Oct 3, 2014 10:44:28am
But we also ended it voluntarily, at great sacrifice

Since she combined ‘voluntary’ with ‘at great sacrifice’, I conclude that the sacrifice she’s talking about is not the hundreds of thousands of dead people, but the property that some had to give up.

11 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Oct 3, 2014 10:45:38am

re: #2 b_sharp

How many countries ended slavery before the US?

good timeline here

12 Lidane  Oct 3, 2014 10:47:07am
vol*un*tary
adjective

ˈvä-lən-ˌter-ē

1: proceeding from the will or from one’s own choice or consent

2: unconstrained by interference : self-determining

3: done by design or intention : intentional <voluntary manslaughter>

4: of, relating to, subject to, or regulated by the will <voluntary behavior>

5: having power of free choice

6: provided or supported by voluntary action

7: acting or done of one’s own free will without valuable consideration or legal obligation

Yep. Ending slavery was totally voluntary.

13 Decatur Deb  Oct 3, 2014 10:47:13am

re: #10 wrenchwench

Since she combined ‘voluntary’ with ‘at great sacrifice’, I conclude that the sacrifice she’s talking about is not the hundreds of thousands of dead people, but the property that some had to give up.

And those great Saturday nights in the Quarter.

14 ramex  Oct 3, 2014 10:47:34am

Little known fact: King George III wrote the Declaration of Independence, thereby dissolving political bands with the colonies voluntarily.

15 calochortus  Oct 3, 2014 10:47:34am

Which countries does she think still allow slavery? Yes, it still exists, but it still exists in the US as well, despite it being illegal.

16 Editor in Chief  Oct 3, 2014 10:48:50am

re: #11 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

good timeline here

I saw that. Certainly kills the idea that ending slavery is part of US exceptionalism.

17 Kryptik  Oct 3, 2014 10:49:46am

re: #10 wrenchwench

Yeah, the way it comes off, it sounds she’s bemoaning the loss of all the ‘benefits’ of slavery, rather than showing pride that it was ended to begin with.

18 Mike Lamb  Oct 3, 2014 10:49:49am

I know there are many countries in the world where working conditions are tantamount to slavery, but can she name the countries where there is legalized slavery in a form that was similar what was seen in the 1400’s to 1800’s?

19 ramex  Oct 3, 2014 10:49:49am

Pop quiz: Which well known chancellor of Germany ended his involvement in WWII by voluntarily shooting himself in the head?

20 wrenchwench  Oct 3, 2014 10:50:26am

re: #17 Kryptik

Welcome, hatchling.

21 calochortus  Oct 3, 2014 10:52:57am

Time to do something constructive.

BBL

22 danarchy  Oct 3, 2014 10:53:05am

re: #2 b_sharp

How many countries ended slavery before the US?

This is a trick question right? The answer is none of them, slavery is still everywhere it is just not legal now.

23 Kragar  Oct 3, 2014 10:53:13am

Augustus rose to power when Julius Caesar voluntarily stepped down.

24 JeffM70  Oct 3, 2014 10:53:31am

By her logic Hitler voluntarily gave up exterminating Jews.

25 AntonSirius  Oct 3, 2014 10:55:00am

The South voluntarily gave up slavery in the same way that the Vikings voluntarily gave the Packers a win last night.

26 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Oct 3, 2014 10:55:10am

re: #16 b_sharp

I saw that. Certainly kills the idea that ending slavery is part of US exceptionalism.

Yeah we were way behind the times.

27 Editor in Chief  Oct 3, 2014 10:55:14am

re: #22 danarchy

This is a trick question right? The answer is none of them, slavery is still everywhere it is just not legal now.

Semantics. Most realize that I meant ended legal slavery.

28 wrenchwench  Oct 3, 2014 10:56:30am

Also in Mazanec’s Facebook post:

Aren’t their others with equal credentials who are critics?

29 Kryptik  Oct 3, 2014 10:57:14am

re: #20 wrenchwench

Lurked for a while, decided to dip my toe in the water finally.

30 Bulworth  Oct 3, 2014 10:57:15am
As an example, I note our slavery history. Yes, we practiced slavery. But we also ended it voluntarily, at great sacrifice, while the practice continues in many countries still today! Shouldn’t our students be provided that viewpoint? This is part of the argument that America is exceptional. Does our APUSH Framework support or denigrate that position?

This is Sarah-Palin-level word salad here.

By “ended it voluntarily” does she mean, passed a constitutional amendment to outlaw slavery after the Civil War?

I wonder what “not ending it voluntarily” would mean?

31 FourEyeFreckleFace  Oct 3, 2014 10:57:21am

I literally just got a piercing headache. Pure coincidence is doubtful.

32 danarchy  Oct 3, 2014 10:57:56am

re: #27 b_sharp

Semantics. Most realize that I meant ended legal slavery.

I’d venture that not just most but all realized that. I was just being snarky.

33 klys  Oct 3, 2014 10:58:11am

re: #28 wrenchwench

Also in Mazanec’s Facebook post:

Normally I wouldn’t snark on one single typo like that but given the other stuff she’s pushing …clearly the education didn’t take well here.

34 Snarknado!  Oct 3, 2014 10:58:46am

re: #29 Kryptik

Lurked for a while, decided to dip my toe in the water finally.

Don’t worry, none of us will bite it off.

35 Kragar  Oct 3, 2014 11:00:02am

re: #34 Snarknado!

Don’t worry, none of us will bite it off.

Don’t make promises you can’t keep.

36 Snarknado!  Oct 3, 2014 11:01:37am

re: #35 Kragar

Don’t make promises you can’t keep.

This is a HATCHLING, Kragar. You know we prefer them seasoned!

37 Lidane  Oct 3, 2014 11:02:39am

re: #25 AntonSirius

The South voluntarily gave up slavery in the same way that the Vikings voluntarily gave the Packers a win last night.

And the same way that Tampa Bay voluntarily allowed Atlanta to score 56 points a couple of weeks ago.

38 Decatur Deb  Oct 3, 2014 11:04:01am

Lizard Derp-pickers Sifting Idiocy from the News-stream.

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39 AntonSirius  Oct 3, 2014 11:04:11am

re: #23 Kragar

40 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Oct 3, 2014 11:04:36am

re: #34 Snarknado!

Don’t worry, none of us will bite it off.

Maybe a bit.

41 AntonSirius  Oct 3, 2014 11:07:49am

re: #30 Bulworth

I wonder what “not ending it voluntarily” would mean?

Probably something to do with Agenda 21

42 Kragar  Oct 3, 2014 11:08:49am
43 ausador  Oct 3, 2014 11:09:19am

Shame, no tweets on Pam’s account since June 26th that she hasn’t deleted… @PamMazanec :(

44 team_fukit  Oct 3, 2014 11:10:49am

re: #14 ramex

Another little known fact of American exceptionalism: Japanese Americans were so exceptional that they put themselves in camps during World War II just so they wouldn’t be a bother to anybody else. //

45 darthstar  Oct 3, 2014 11:11:14am

I saw something about Gamergate on twitter. I don’t know what gamergate means. I don’t need to know. I don’t want to know.

46 AntonSirius  Oct 3, 2014 11:13:05am

re: #44 team_fukit

Another little known fact of American exceptionalism: Japanese Americans were so exceptional that they put themselves in camps during World War II just so they wouldn’t be a bother to anybody else. //

I’m totally Twitter-stealing that one

47 Black d20  Oct 3, 2014 11:13:09am

re: #45 darthstar

You’re a wiser man than most.

48 Pie-onist Overlord  Oct 3, 2014 11:13:49am

Great Britain ended slavery voluntarily

HURR HURR GREAT BRITAIN, GEORGE WASHINGTON & TEH PATRIOTS DIDN’T COMPROMISE WITH TEH BRITISH THEY SHOT THEM!!!!!!1!!!!

49 Pie-onist Overlord  Oct 3, 2014 11:14:35am

re: #2 b_sharp

How many countries ended slavery before the US?

Britain ended slavery in 1833

50 Charles Johnson  Oct 3, 2014 11:15:39am

re: #45 darthstar

I saw something about Gamergate on twitter. I don’t know what gamergate means. I don’t need to know. I don’t want to know.

I just got swarmed by all kinds of weirdos for mentioning it once.

51 Ryan King  Oct 3, 2014 11:16:24am

I ended that bagel voluntarily then murdered that cuppa joe voluntarily.

52 Charles Johnson  Oct 3, 2014 11:16:48am
53 Black d20  Oct 3, 2014 11:17:38am

re: #50 Charles Johnson

Yeah, you’re going to REALLY attract people hitting the hashtag, and if you’re not walking the pro-GG line, expect to get bagged on by a combination of MRAs, bigots, and deluded-but-indignant types swept up by the aforementioned.

And it’s all about video games! Let that sink in for a moment.

54 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Oct 3, 2014 11:17:42am

Alexander II freed the Russian serfs in 1861 without any war. Historically, the word “voluntary” might not be the best to describe what happened (there were objective pressures), but compared to the US…

55 Snarknado!  Oct 3, 2014 11:18:44am

So in a couple of hours, I’m going to climb on a slow boat to the South Pacific, mostly out of contact. Don’t let the upcoming-election-derpitude get to you, and keep up the battle. (I expect to rejoin you refreshed. Maybe too refreshed to move.)

An easy fast and Gmar Khatima Tova (if thats the right thing to say) to fasting lizards.

56 Editor in Chief  Oct 3, 2014 11:19:40am

I must say the man is brilliant.

57 wrenchwench  Oct 3, 2014 11:19:47am

I just read the obituary of a distant relative on Facebook. My favorite part:

In lieu of plants and flowers, memorials may be made to the Mer’s Bait Shop Scholarship Fund.

Wisconsin.

58 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Oct 3, 2014 11:21:02am

re: #56 b_sharp

I must say the man is brilliant.

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A gentleman AND a scholar!

59 Charles Johnson  Oct 3, 2014 11:21:04am
60 Lidane  Oct 3, 2014 11:21:14am

re: #53 The Skelet-One

And it’s all about video games! Let that sink in for a moment.

To be fair, there are legitimate issues about the treatment of women in the games industry. There’s a lot more to the whole GG thing than the original drama.

61 Mike Lamb  Oct 3, 2014 11:21:39am

Ole Miss voluntarily integrated its campus.

62 AntonSirius  Oct 3, 2014 11:21:42am

re: #53 The Skelet-One

Yeah, you’re going to REALLY attract people hitting the hashtag, and if you’re not walking the pro-GG line, expect to get bagged on by a combination of MRAs, bigots, and deluded-but-indignant types swept up by the aforementioned.

And it’s all about video games! Let that sink in for a moment.

I made a joke the other night about Intel’s stock price dropping after they bowed to #GamerGate pressure and pulled some ads. I got called a Macbook-owning hipster, which I think is slightly better than being a SJW (Social Justice Warrior), but not by much.

63 Pie-onist Overlord  Oct 3, 2014 11:21:42am
64 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Oct 3, 2014 11:22:09am

re: #45 darthstar

I saw something about Gamergate on twitter. I don’t know what gamergate means. I don’t need to know. I don’t want to know.

Basically it’s a bunch of stereotypical male gamers getting bent because there are

A) Females who play games
B) Females who dare to question gender stereotypes in games (and sexism in games)
C) The fact that “gaming” is no longer just a niche and arguing about who really is a “gamer”

And it was started by Adam Baldwin.

65 Ryan King  Oct 3, 2014 11:22:10am

re: #56 b_sharp

I must say the man is brilliant.

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66 wrenchwench  Oct 3, 2014 11:22:18am

re: #56 b_sharp

I must say the man is brilliant.

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This is the same guy who tweeted earlier about shingles being caused by the chickenpox virus. Guess what; first you get chickenpox (‘right away’ as he said) then the virus lies in wait for decades, then you get shingles. Maybe, and maybe you don’t.

67 Black d20  Oct 3, 2014 11:24:33am

re: #64 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

Well, the core of it began with Zoe Quinn and a vindictive ex. Baldwin just gave it some serious signal boost.

Looking down that particular rabbit hole is not advised, though.

68 Mike Lamb  Oct 3, 2014 11:24:50am

re: #63 Pie-onist Overlord

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Obama: Alright Mitt, alright. I’m sorry. I’m very very sorry. I’m so sorry that I didn’t want your rather bulbous head struggling to find its way through the normal size neckhole of the finely knit sweater that is the US social safety net.

69 Editor in Chief  Oct 3, 2014 11:25:24am

re: #64 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

Basically it’s a bunch of stereotypical male gamers getting bent because there are

A) Females who play games
B) Females who dare to question gender stereotypes in games (and sexism in games)
C) The fact that “gaming” is no longer just a niche and arguing about who really is a “gamer”

And it was started by Adam Baldwin.

Another brain deficient right winger.

70 Kragar  Oct 3, 2014 11:26:46am
71 Charles Johnson  Oct 3, 2014 11:27:18am
72 Pie-onist Overlord  Oct 3, 2014 11:29:14am

[dumb comment deleted]

73 Ryan King  Oct 3, 2014 11:29:23am

re: #71 Charles Johnson

Dunh dunh daaah! HEALTH RANGER to the rescue!

74 Pie-onist Overlord  Oct 3, 2014 11:29:56am

[duh]

75 Kryptik  Oct 3, 2014 11:30:14am

re: #34 Snarknado!

Considering what your name sends up, that doesn’t reassure me whatsoever.

re: #45 darthstar

As a gamer, the whole thing is stupidly embarrassing and depressing. It’s basically evolved into MRA-types insisting that feminism is the real bigotry and how SJWs (a.k.a. tumblr folks with zero relevance that mean well but lack situational awareness for the most part) are somehow destroying the gaming industry as a whole by pointing out that maybe women, both fictional and real, get the shit end of things when it comes to the industry.

76 Ace-o-aces  Oct 3, 2014 11:30:21am
77 Pie-onist Overlord  Oct 3, 2014 11:30:50am

I’m making kreplach now.

78 ausador  Oct 3, 2014 11:32:10am
79 Shiplord Kirel  Oct 3, 2014 11:33:21am

CBS 46 in Atlanta

Cobb County Jail inmate being tested for Ebola

ATLANTA (CBS46) -

An inmate at the Cobb County Jail is being tested for the Ebola virus.

The unnamed prisoner, who was arrested overnight at 3 a.m. for DUI and traffic infractions, complained of flu-like symptoms and told authorities that he had recently visited Africa, according to a jail spokesperson.

The area where the inmate was quarantined has been cleaned.

For a brief period, the jail prevented local agencies from bringing inmates to the jail. However, that ban has been lifted.

Could be an inmate who started having flu symptoms and saw an opportunity to jerk some chains. I’m glad they’re not taking any chances though.

80 AntonSirius  Oct 3, 2014 11:34:11am

re: #71 Charles Johnson

That guy can’t be any higher than a 2nd level HealthRanger, with a pretty low INT and WIS to boot.

81 Single-handed sailor  Oct 3, 2014 11:34:43am

re: #77 Pie-onist Overlord

I’m making kreplach now.

I didn’t know you were Klingon.

82 Shiplord Kirel  Oct 3, 2014 11:35:01am

We’re going to be inundated with reports of possible and suspected ebola cases all over the country for a while.

83 Ace-o-aces  Oct 3, 2014 11:35:04am
84 Bulworth  Oct 3, 2014 11:35:23am

re:
#56

I must say the man is brilliant.

Bryan Fischer knows everything.

/

85 Black d20  Oct 3, 2014 11:35:23am

re: #80 AntonSirius

And Wisdom’s their casting stat, too. Poor guy, gimping his build like that.

86 darthstar  Oct 3, 2014 11:36:32am

re: #47 The Skelet-One

You’re a wiser man than most.

It’s probably some new Ebola of internet memes.

87 Eventual Carrion  Oct 3, 2014 11:37:46am

re: #56 b_sharp

I must say the man is brilliant.

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Must be like his shingles twit. Get chickenpox as a kid, develop shingles as an older adult. OVERNIGHT!

88 Kragar  Oct 3, 2014 11:38:34am

re: #83 Ace-o-aces

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89 Jolo5309  Oct 3, 2014 11:38:37am

re: #59 Charles Johnson

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Bitch all you want about Hoft and Johnson, Mike Adams is evil.

90 Pie-onist Overlord  Oct 3, 2014 11:39:05am

re: #81 Single-handed sailor

I didn’t know you were Klingon.

Kreplach is Jewish won-ton.

It is customary to eat kreplach on the day before Yom Kippur, to remind us of the Chinese food that we eat on Nittel Night (Christmas Eve)

91 Ace-o-aces  Oct 3, 2014 11:39:32am

re: #78 ausador

It looks like Bryan’s post about chicken pox was in response to someone pointing out that the varicella virus “lies in wait” for decades before causing shingles. I guess he’s trying to say that it causes an acute disease first before “waiting”. Of course, HIV does the same thing, causing flu-like symptoms on first exposure. But, in Bryan’s defense, they hide that kind of information in books.

92 A Mom Anon  Oct 3, 2014 11:39:43am

re: #79 Shiplord Kirel

OH FUCK. This is in my general vicinity. Which means all the local wingnuts I know are going to be losing their shit all fucking weekend. Oh joy of joys.

93 3eff Jeff  Oct 3, 2014 11:39:55am

re: #75 Kryptik

Good summary. For the other non-gamers who haven’t been paying attention to this fight, there are a couple ugly, ongoing harassment cases. Two prominent women in the video game world got targeted in August, and both had to leave their houses (at least for short periods of time) due to death/rape threats combined with doxing.

It’s nasty, and a lot of people are still mad about it. (Including me.)

94 BlueGrl21  Oct 3, 2014 11:40:00am

We had the same thing happening in Texas with the curriculum for Government. The other half teaches AP Govt., and his response was “I don’t care what they say, I’m teaching accurate history.” Which is what most teachers do.

95 Black d20  Oct 3, 2014 11:40:18am

re: #86 darthstar

It has its fair share. But, again, let’s not go to GamerGate. It is a silly place.

96 Eventual Carrion  Oct 3, 2014 11:40:22am

re: #66 wrenchwench

This is the same guy who tweeted earlier about shingles being caused by the chickenpox virus. Guess what; first you get chickenpox (‘right away’ as he said) then the virus lies in wait for decades, then you get shingles. Maybe, and maybe you don’t.

Twitted that to him:

97 Editor in Chief  Oct 3, 2014 11:40:26am

re: #77 Pie-onist Overlord

I’m making kreplach now.

I had no idea you are Klingon.

98 Decatur Deb  Oct 3, 2014 11:41:39am

re: #82 Shiplord Kirel

We’re going to be inundated with reports of possible and suspected ebola cases all over the country for a while.

I feel a sneeze coming on.

99 wrenchwench  Oct 3, 2014 11:42:11am

re: #97 b_sharp

I had no idea you are Klingon.

Is this thread circular? I think I’ve been here before.

100 leftynyc  Oct 3, 2014 11:43:52am

re: #77 Pie-onist Overlord

I’m making kreplach now.

You make your own?!!! Droooling.

101 Decatur Deb  Oct 3, 2014 11:44:01am

Freepers outlining their plans for armed resistance to quarantine orders.

102 Editor in Chief  Oct 3, 2014 11:44:04am

re: #90 Pie-onist Overlord

Kreplach is Jewish won-ton.

It is customary to eat kreplach on the day before Yom Kippur, to remind us of the Chinese food that we eat on Nittel Night (Christmas Eve)

vaj qar’a’

103 EPR-radar  Oct 3, 2014 11:45:44am

Stupid wingnuts really shouldn’t say stupid things about slavery in the US, especially since many of the bottom feeders of the GOP base would be just fine with making it legal in the US again.

104 Lidane  Oct 3, 2014 11:45:51am

re: #101 Decatur Deb

Freepers outlining their plans for armed resistance to quarantine orders.

I hope they’ve got some training sessions planned. Reloading is a bitch when you’re trying to steer your scooter.

105 Kragar  Oct 3, 2014 11:46:36am

re: #101 Decatur Deb

Freepers outlining their plans for armed resistance to quarantine orders.

These would be the same Freepers upset that Obama hasn’t sent HAZMAT suited Special Ops forces to cordon off all of Dallas yet?

106 Lidane  Oct 3, 2014 11:48:33am

2016 is going to be a comedy gold mine:

107 Decatur Deb  Oct 3, 2014 11:48:53am

re: #104 Lidane

I hope they’ve got some training sessions planned. Reloading is a bitch when you’re trying to steer your scooter.

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108 Bulworth  Oct 3, 2014 11:49:24am

re:
#105

Yup, one and the same.

109 leftynyc  Oct 3, 2014 11:50:35am

I’m surprised to find one adult at fox:

talkingpointsmemo.com

“I don’t know why anybody would be upset about that. It’s kind of a badge of honor,” Wallace responded. “First of all, I think it’s fair game. We’re big boys. We have been very critical of the President and Obamacare, and I think rightly so. It’s not like we think there’s anything wrong with our reporting. The President is trying to gin up his base about a month before the election, calls us out. We should view it as a badge of honor.”

“I just didn’t think we belonged in the dialogue,” Brian Kilmeade insisted. “Just tell me what you think and take on the other party.”

“Are we at the presidential level?” Steve Doocy asked. “Isn’t he punching down?”

“Stop being crybabies, my gosh,” Wallace said.

“You criticize the president for being thin skinned and you’re being thin skinned,” he added as the hosts continued to protest.

110 teleskiguy  Oct 3, 2014 11:53:01am

re: #106 Lidane

2016 is going to be a comedy gold mine:

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111 Charles Johnson  Oct 3, 2014 11:53:07am
112 makeitstop  Oct 3, 2014 11:53:11am

re: #109 leftynyc

I’m surprised to find one adult at fox:

talkingpointsmemo.com

“I don’t know why anybody would be upset about that. It’s kind of a badge of honor,” Wallace responded. “First of all, I think it’s fair game. We’re big boys. We have been very critical of the President and Obamacare, and I think rightly so. It’s not like we think there’s anything wrong with our reporting. The President is trying to gin up his base about a month before the election, calls us out. We should view it as a badge of honor.”

“I just didn’t think we belonged in the dialogue,” Brian Kilmeade insisted. “Just tell me what you think and take on the other party.”

“Are we at the presidential level?” Steve Doocy asked. “Isn’t he punching down?”

“Stop being crybabies, my gosh,” Wallace said.

“You criticize the president for being thin skinned and you’re being thin skinned,” he added as the hosts continued to protest.

He’s not an adult, he just plays one on TV.

113 sagehen  Oct 3, 2014 11:53:21am

re: #77 Pie-onist Overlord

I’m making kreplach now.

You’re going to smell it and look at it while you’re fasting?

114 Kragar  Oct 3, 2014 11:53:22am

Charles, what have you been up to?

115 Shiplord Kirel  Oct 3, 2014 11:53:50am

Do panic stricken ignorami think banks will close?

My armored car driver friend reports that Lubbock area banks are ordering record amounts of cash because of very high demand. I did see a line of about a hundred people at a bank branch in this area (DFW exurbs). Anyone else seeing this or hearing reports? The first ATM I went to this morning was out of dough, but there is nothing unusual about that.

There are reports of mis-guided shoppers buying gas masks in Dallas, but all purpose gun-stuff store Cheaper than Dirt still has plenty in stock. CTD is in Dallas.

Ammunition prices are actually down, though, so thank heaven for small favors.

116 Bulworth  Oct 3, 2014 11:53:51am

re:
#109

We have been very critical of the President and Obamacare, and I think rightly so.

Wrongly so. You, sir, and your network, have been shameful.

117 makeitstop  Oct 3, 2014 11:54:40am

re: #77 Pie-onist Overlord

I’m making kreplach now.

[ Orson Bean ] Oy! Kreplach!! [/ Orson Bean ]

118 Lidane  Oct 3, 2014 11:56:02am
119 Decatur Deb  Oct 3, 2014 11:57:03am

“Gov Perry to don sackcloth and ashes, whip himself barefoot along the border.”

120 makeitstop  Oct 3, 2014 11:59:33am

re: #115 Shiplord Kirel

Do panic stricken ignorami think banks will close?

My armored car driver friend reports that Lubbock area banks are ordering record amounts of cash because of very high demand. I did see a line of about a hundred people at a bank branch in this area. Anyone else seeing this or hearing reports? The first ATM I went to this morning was out of dough, but there is nothing unusual about that.

There are reports of mis-guided shoppers buying gas masks in Dallas, but all purpose gun-stuff store Cheaper than Dirt still has plenty in stock. CTD is in Dallas.

Ammunition prices are actually down, though, so thank heaven for small favors.

The woman I mentioned in an earlier thread (who is losing her shit over Ebola) is utterly convinced that a whole bunch of Liberians are going to buy plane tickets to the US in order to ‘escape’ and get better health care for their Ebola.

I pointed out that the per capita income for Liberia (ca. 2000) was about $1000 per year. She thinks they’re going to take an entire year’s wages to buy plane tickets and ‘escape.’ (Edited to include the zero I inadvertently left out of the income number.)

I finally gave up trying to talk to her about it, because it’s obvious that she’s getting some kind of thrill from Ebola. And this is no stupid woman by any stretch.

Weird.

121 jaunte  Oct 3, 2014 12:00:03pm

re: #89 Jolo5309

Bitch all you want about Hoft and Johnson, Mike Adams is evil.

At the very least an egomaniac. That may be the longest self-promotional biography I’ve ever seen.

“…Adams was the youngest person he knew who owned a personal computer. In the fifth grade, he frequently wrote computer code on paper during class…”
healthranger.com

122 Ian G.  Oct 3, 2014 12:01:02pm

Well, you can’t say the GOP isn’t consistent in their idiotic misunderstanding of what “voluntary” means.

So no, the south did not “voluntarily” end slavery.

Unemployed people are not “voluntarily” sitting at home collecting government handouts.

And following federal laws is not “voluntary”, to be disregarded as one pleases if you’re some dumbass rancher in an ugly hat.

123 The War TARDIS  Oct 3, 2014 12:04:20pm

re: #76 Ace-o-aces

I honestly think with, as nasty as Fischer is, when the inevitable scandal happens, it is going to be something no one will be laughing it.

He seems so evil and demented, that the Ted Haggard thing, minus the drugs, will seem like perfectly reasonable.

124 Bulworth  Oct 3, 2014 12:05:27pm

re:
#121

Adams is well trained in hand-to-hand combat, firearms and self defense. He has authored numerous courses on self defense and personal protection.

A very manly, manly type man.

In college entrance exams and graduate school entrance exams, Adams scored in the 99.9th percentile across all U.S. students. He aced the English, Mathematics and Science sections of college entrance exams, scoring 100% on 3 out of 4 sections earning numerous offers of scholarships from various universities, including the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (which he chose not to attend).

Wait, I think this guy is Chuck C. Johnson.

125 Dr. Matt  Oct 3, 2014 12:06:16pm

re: #29 Kryptik

Lurked for a while, decided to dip my toe in the water finally.

Hatchlings are required to bring good coffee and doughnuts.

126 Editor in Chief  Oct 3, 2014 12:07:36pm

re: #124 Bulworth

re:
#121

A very manly, manly type man.

Wait, I think this guy is Chuck C. Johnson.

My elbow has repeatedly won the Most Attractive Joint in the Universe award.

127 wrenchwench  Oct 3, 2014 12:09:05pm

re: #126 b_sharp

My elbow has repeatedly won the Most Attractive Joint in the Universe award.

All fine and good until you come down with Elbowla.

128 Dr. Matt  Oct 3, 2014 12:10:13pm

Green Aliens Balls = Little Green Footballs?

LGFs?

129 Kryptik  Oct 3, 2014 12:12:01pm

re: #125 Dr. Matt

As long as you consider what comes out of a Dunkin’s as ‘coffee and doughnuts’. “Good” will be a tad more difficult.

130 klys  Oct 3, 2014 12:13:15pm

re: #129 Kryptik

As long as you consider what comes out of a Dunkin’s as ‘coffee and doughnuts’. “Good” will be a tad more difficult.

I want one of those donuts with the white icing filling.

131 Editor in Chief  Oct 3, 2014 12:13:19pm

re: #127 wrenchwench

All fine and good until you come down with Elbowla.

I’m never in direct contact with my elbow.

132 Jolo5309  Oct 3, 2014 12:13:28pm

re: #121 jaunte

At the very least an egomaniac. That may be the longest self-promotional biography I’ve ever seen.

I will stick with evil, thanks.

He is a lying crook, whose income consists of lying to other people about the dangers of what is happening and then (conveniently) selling them crap to cure themselves.

sciencebasedmedicine.org

133 Timothy Watson  Oct 3, 2014 12:16:23pm

re: #64 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

Basically it’s a bunch of stereotypical male gamers getting bent because there are

A) Females who play games
B) Females who dare to question gender stereotypes in games (and sexism in games)
C) The fact that “gaming” is no longer just a niche and arguing about who really is a “gamer”

And it was started by Adam Baldwin.

Adam Baldwin, the one guy that might be able to beat out Jim Hoft as SMOTI.

134 Jolo5309  Oct 3, 2014 12:17:25pm

re: #131 b_sharp

I’m never in direct contact with my elbow.

BTW, I forgot my password again. My wife will be in Regina tonight to see the Worms at the Casino, think you could get it to her?

135 Editor in Chief  Oct 3, 2014 12:18:57pm

re: #134 Jolo5309

BTW, I forgot my password again. My wife will be in Regina tonight to see the Worms at the Casino, think you could get it to her?

We aren’t going there tonight.

What do you need me to do?

136 wrenchwench  Oct 3, 2014 12:21:10pm

re: #128 Dr. Matt

Green Aliens Balls = Little Green Footballs?

LGFs?

Moldy haggis.

137 dholmes32  Oct 3, 2014 12:21:34pm

re: #62 AntonSirius

I made a joke the other night about Intel’s stock price dropping after they bowed to #GamerGate pressure and pulled some ads. I got called a Macbook-owning hipster, which I think is slightly better than being a SJW (Social Justice Warrior), but not by much.

I told Intel on Twitter I’d be looking at a non-Intel architecture for my next box. I did not hashtag #gamersgate because I made the mistake of doing that once and got all sorts of crap thrown at me.

138 Jolo5309  Oct 3, 2014 12:22:40pm

re: #135 b_sharp

We aren’t going there tonight.

What do you need me to do?

littlegreenfootballs.com

139 The War TARDIS  Oct 3, 2014 12:24:09pm

re: #137 dholmes32

Hmmm….seriously thinking of poking that nest of hell with a stick.

140 Black d20  Oct 3, 2014 12:25:08pm

re: #139 The War TARDIS

It will not be fun, but it’ll keep you busy!

141 Eventual Carrion  Oct 3, 2014 12:25:11pm

re: #128 Dr. Matt

Green Aliens Balls = Little Green Footballs?

LGFs?

Look like the nut encasement the walnut trees around here drop. You do not want to be in the path of one coming from the top of the tree. Squirrels love them. They have been dropping like mad the last few weeks. Always a few on the back porch lately.

142 leftynyc  Oct 3, 2014 12:25:59pm

Wishing you all who are partaking an easy fast

Shabbat Shalom and G’mar Chatimah Tovah

143 Lidane  Oct 3, 2014 12:26:42pm

re: #128 Dr. Matt

Green Aliens Balls = Little Green Footballs?

LGFs?

144 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Oct 3, 2014 12:29:59pm

re: #133 Timothy Watson

Adam Baldwin, the one guy that might be able to beat out Jim Hoft as SMOTI.

I really am surprised the other Baldwin boys haven’t done an intervention. Isn’t Stephen a kook too?

145 The War TARDIS  Oct 3, 2014 12:30:23pm

re: #144 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

Yep!

146 Lidane  Oct 3, 2014 12:30:54pm

re: #144 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

I really am surprised the other Baldwin boys haven’t done an intervention. Isn’t Stephen a kook too?

Adam Baldwin isn’t related to Alec Baldwin or any of those Baldwins.

He’s his own special brand of fail.

147 Lidane  Oct 3, 2014 12:31:37pm
148 nkdee  Oct 3, 2014 12:34:56pm

re: #11 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

good timeline here

Well, yeah, jeez. If you count all those other countries that did it before the US. But if you DON”T count them we really look pretty damn exceptional….don’t we?

149 Dr Lizardo  Oct 3, 2014 12:35:04pm

re: #130 klys

I want one of those donuts with the white icing filling.

Maple bar, FTW!!

150 Pie-onist Overlord  Oct 3, 2014 12:35:42pm

re: #100 leftynyc

You make your own?!!! Droooling.

I use Nasoya won-ton wrappers, and fill with ground chicken meat.

I made 24 little kreplach. Way more than we’ll eat this afternoon, but my kids are coming from Florida next week.

151 Ian G.  Oct 3, 2014 12:36:23pm

How soon before the derp brigades are screaming about how ISIS, massed on the Mexican border, will have vials of weaponized Ebola to use to destroy us (with the president’s approval, of course)?

I really can’t imagine being a wingnut and being pants-pissingly terrified of everything in this world.

152 Editor in Chief  Oct 3, 2014 12:36:37pm

re: #138 Jolo5309

littlegreenfootballs.com

Your memory is long Yoda.

153 A Mom Anon  Oct 3, 2014 12:36:39pm

I had money on one of two of my many pet wingnuts posting the Cobb County stuff on their facebook page. So far only one, but I give the other one a half an hour with a shitty remark about Obama thrown in for funsies.

These are otherwise really nice people and fairly smart, but holy shit do they scare easily. I’m half tempted to post that I’m coming down with flu like symptoms, but that would be mean. Sort of.

154 A Mom Anon  Oct 3, 2014 12:42:12pm

re: #151 Ian G.

Well, my pet wingnut who just posted about Ebola also just put up something about ISIS looking on social media for military families (which leaves her out, she has one nephew that went to the Air Force academy and isn’t serving, he’s home working at Home Depot and sharing a house with a bunch of other 20 somethings, so why she’s worried I have no clue) to attack them at home and OMGTHEYARECOMINGFORUSWHEREISMYGUN!!! After making sure we all know they’re armed. Like that’s a secret.

155 makeitstop  Oct 3, 2014 12:42:36pm

re: #153 A Mom Anon

I had money on one of two of my many pet wingnuts posting the Cobb County stuff on their facebook page. So far only one, but I give the other one a half an hour with a shitty remark about Obama thrown in for funsies.

These are otherwise really nice people and fairly smart, but holy shit do they scare easily. I’m half tempted to post that I’m coming down with flu like symptoms, but that would be mean. Sort of.

I’m tempted to announce that I’ll be staying off Facebook for a few weeks because I don’t want to catch Ebola.

That makes about as much sense as otherwise-bright people falling like a ton of bricks for the ‘Ebola vomit’ story.

156 Lidane  Oct 3, 2014 12:44:13pm
157 Lidane  Oct 3, 2014 12:44:47pm
158 RealityBasedSteve  Oct 3, 2014 12:45:31pm

re: #130 klys

I want one of those donuts with the white icing filling.

I like coconut ones.

RBS

159 Kragar  Oct 3, 2014 12:47:05pm

re: #158 RealityBasedSteve

I like coconut ones.

RBS

So you’re the Devil? Noted.

160 3eff Jeff  Oct 3, 2014 12:47:25pm

re: #156 Lidane

That looks like a perfectly sound, tea-party-approved plebiscite on the legality of slavery. One gun, one vote, most guns wins.//

161 makeitstop  Oct 3, 2014 12:48:33pm

OT: We’re going to Brooklyn Bowl tomorrow night to see these guys. They should keep Ebola out of our systems for a few days, at least.

Youtube Video

162 Kragar  Oct 3, 2014 12:48:52pm

re: #156 Lidane

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163 Lidane  Oct 3, 2014 12:52:12pm
164 Kragar  Oct 3, 2014 12:54:26pm

re: #163 Lidane

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165 NJDhockeyfan  Oct 3, 2014 12:56:26pm

Ribbit…

166 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Oct 3, 2014 1:42:29pm

re: #130 klys

I want one of those donuts with the white icing filling.

I have been craving their blueberry and cherry cake donuts (if they have them anymore) but there are no dunkin donuts in my part of CA that I can find.

167 Swift2991  Oct 3, 2014 4:54:19pm

It’s true: my great-grandfather happily left his home and his new bride and son to join the Light Artillery, and participate in a lot of the worst battles in the West: Shiloh and Stones River and Chickamauga and Missionary Ridge. He voluntarily named his son born in the centennial year of 1876 Thaddeus, after Thaddeus Stevens and Alanson after Rep. Stevens’ nephew, who died defending his battery right next to my great-grandfather at Chickamauga.

All a good stout debate on slavery, with the slave-owning states eventually seeing the error of their waves and freeing the slaves without a shot.


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