1 Charles Johnson  Oct 9, 2014 8:30:31pm
2 nsmith25  Oct 9, 2014 8:31:35pm

Here’s a hint Police: Stop shooting unarmed people of color and lying about the circumstances.

3 Kragar  Oct 9, 2014 8:33:57pm

re: #1 Charles Johnson

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Still say you should go with gingersnap

4 Jenner7  Oct 9, 2014 8:36:01pm

Sprayed something on them and they weren’t doing anything, just out of the blue.

5 De Kolta Chair  Oct 9, 2014 8:36:04pm

6 NJDhockeyfan  Oct 9, 2014 8:38:06pm
7 Jenner7  Oct 9, 2014 8:40:23pm
8 nsmith25  Oct 9, 2014 8:41:55pm

The Law Enforcement there that we are dealing with:

9 Kragar  Oct 9, 2014 8:43:25pm

Jan Hooks from SNL died

10 jaunte  Oct 9, 2014 8:46:09pm
11 Kragar  Oct 9, 2014 8:47:09pm
12 Jenner7  Oct 9, 2014 8:47:45pm

Charles,

On my FB, God just put a photo of your famous tweet on it’s page. Hehe.

13 Rightwingconspirator  Oct 9, 2014 8:48:44pm

Related & a little scary by way of further police misconduct
littlegreenfootballs.com

And
Conservative Website Apparently Led to Charlie Grapski’s Hospitalization Against his Will

A conservative website that has taken an extremely pro-cop stance on the Ferguson police shooting of Mike Brown apparently led to Charlie Grapski’s probation officer to revoke his right to leave the state, ultimately leading to police hospitalizing him against his will on Wednesday.

The conversation on The Conservative Treehouse began with forum members discussing ways to jam wifi signals of live streamers covering the protests, but then turned to a discussion of Grapski and his probation status.

Grapski, who is on probation stemming from his 2009 public records investigation of Alachua County officials, had already received permission from his probation officer on Monday.

But on Wednesday, only hours after the conversation on the conservative website where forum members all vowed to call his probation office, he was called back in and told he needed to fill out more paperwork.

14 nsmith25  Oct 9, 2014 8:51:31pm

Info/Tweets from some are pointing the finger of escalation by police tonight at three officers. Don’t know their names but have seen a picture of them.

15 The War TARDIS  Oct 9, 2014 8:51:31pm

re: #13 Rightwingconspirator

This needs to be paged. Quickly.

16 Jenner7  Oct 9, 2014 8:52:06pm

re: #14 nsmith25

17 Rightwingconspirator  Oct 9, 2014 8:53:53pm

re: #15 The War TARDIS

These guys are hard core advocates at PINAC. I’m a little leery. But yeah.

18 Varek Raith  Oct 9, 2014 8:55:59pm

I’m sorry, what year is this supposed to be again?

19 Jenner7  Oct 9, 2014 8:56:28pm
20 Jenner7  Oct 9, 2014 8:58:50pm

And we’re supposed to be upset with THEM because they burned the flag??? WTF ever!

21 nsmith25  Oct 9, 2014 8:59:04pm

Got 12-fasting blood draw in the morning. I can’t stay up any longer. Maybe if I go to sleep I can pretend that I’m not starving. And I want a beer. Dammit. 8 Hours still to go. Night all. Stay safe St. Louis Protesters.

22 The War TARDIS  Oct 9, 2014 8:59:35pm

Has anyone here read Breivik’s manifesto?

Considering my Right Wing friend is still saying Langford is a friend to Muslims, I have the hypothesis that Right-Wing thought, especially the American strain, was directly responsible for the attacks 3 years ago.

23 Editor in Chief  Oct 9, 2014 9:03:32pm

re: #22 The War TARDIS

Has anyone here read Breivik’s manifesto?

Considering my Right Wing friend is still saying Langford is a friend to Muslims, I have the hypothesis that Right-Wing thought, especially the American strain, was directly responsible for the attacks 3 years ago.

Don’t go there.

It’s just a quagmire of shit.

24 WhatEVs  Oct 9, 2014 9:04:56pm

re: #2 nsmith25

Here’s a hint Police: Stop shooting unarmed people of color and lying about the circumstances.

That’s apparently outside of their abilities. Killing unarmed black kids. No problem. Anything else they seem to fuck up royally.

25 wheat-dogghazi  Oct 9, 2014 9:05:50pm

Meanwhile, in Hong Kong, students have been occupying the streets in at least four locations for nearly two weeks, and have confronted violent police efforts to disperse them exactly once.

I guess things would be different if the students were a different skin color/ethnicity from the cops.

26 ausador  Oct 9, 2014 9:06:05pm

re: #18 Varek Raith

I’m sorry, what year is this supposed to be again?

In St. Louis? Looks like its about 1952…

27 Dark_Falcon  Oct 9, 2014 9:06:14pm

re: #10 jaunte

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So that’s why the Blue Line was messed up this evening. I had been wondering what was up when I was at LaSalle station around 5:30 this evening. Apparently they were still running single track.

28 De Kolta Chair  Oct 9, 2014 9:07:51pm

re: #7 Jenner7

blue cans are mace

And, let me guess, the nightsticks are Louis Vuitton? ////

29 NJDhockeyfan  Oct 9, 2014 9:07:53pm
30 Jenner7  Oct 9, 2014 9:08:29pm

re: #28 De Kolta Chair

Only the best!

31 Dark_Falcon  Oct 9, 2014 9:09:17pm

re: #29 NJDhockeyfan

Tanks? APCs perhaps, not tanks.

32 wheat-dogghazi  Oct 9, 2014 9:09:20pm

re: #29 NJDhockeyfan

Deng Xiaoping has returned from the grave and has unexpectedly reincarnated in StL.

33 lostlakehiker  Oct 9, 2014 9:10:23pm

re: #25 wheat-dogghazi

Meanwhile, in Hong Kong, students have been occupying the streets in at least four locations for nearly two weeks, and have confronted violent police efforts to disperse them exactly once.

I guess things would be different if the students were a different skin color/ethnicity from the cops.

At Tien An Men, the Chinese authorities brought in Mongol troops when local soldiers proved reluctant to grind protesters under the gears of their tanks.

It’s the same old story.

34 Kryptik  Oct 9, 2014 9:10:37pm

re: #29 NJDhockeyfan

Totally appropriate response, I’m sure. Can’t be too careful when you only outgun protestors 100 to 1.

The worst part about all this shit is going to be the assholes justifying all this shit by acting like it was just a bunch of wild superthugs looting everything.

35 Rightwingconspirator  Oct 9, 2014 9:12:06pm

MRAP

SWAT

LRAD

Rubber bullets, tear gas, batons, arrests of journalists and innocent protesters. In the United States of America circa 2014

All because the police screwed the pooch and the locals won’t have it.

36 Aunty Entity Dragon  Oct 9, 2014 9:12:20pm

The neo-nazis at Policeone (sorry to go Godwin but this is what they are sounding like at this point) are fapping furiously to the new Ferguson crisis.

Key comment tonight:

thumper787 on Thursday, October 09, 2014 07:49 PM Pacific Report Abuse

I feel we should take color out of it. In this case we have rioters, who seem to be the MAJORITY, who just happen to be black citizens, so how can they be MINORITIES? LE, who I assume are white citizens, in part, would be the minority. The police are peace-keepers, soooo, their job is to suppress the rioters, right? Until force is applied to the rioters, by what ever means, to suppress said insurrection, this will continue. Tear gas, batons, K-9’s on 50’ leads and if necessary, shotgun rounds, birdshot, skipped off the pavement should do the trick. I took excellent care of my take-home, and would be quite disturbed if it was damaged. KICK their ass w/overwhelming force once or twice and they will knock this shit off.

If a Chief or Mayor fails to allow this, arrest them for ‘Interfering/hindering a LEO in the LAWFUL performance of his duties’. Worth a try, my Dept. never let this shit happen, from the Glen Echo Amusement Park riots of the 60’s to tear gassing The County Fair in the 80’s.

policeone.com

Well, so much for civilian control of law enforcement.

If you don’t let police crack heads and shoot people in the streets…arrest the mayor and everyone else for being pacifist pussies…

Resident sociopathic whacko Joe Hoffman…who boasts there is “no such thing as inappropriate force”:

Posted by joe hoffman on Thursday, October 09, 2014 04:48 PM Pacific Report Abuse

“The police chief said some in the crowd Wednesday night shouted obscenities at officers and damaged police cars, but that the officers ‘showed great restraint.’

He added: ‘Any police officer use of force certainly will draw attention.’ “

Yeah, good going there, Sam. Let these savages destroy city property and endanger the lives of your officers and innocent civilians because you’re afraid of the bad press you’ll get by using the force necessary.

I read your comments where you slammed the Ferguson PD and the St. Louis County PD for the tactics they used in responding to the rioters in Ferguson. You’re nothing but a political coward who is totally unprepared to lead your officers into the war zone your streets have become.

And the worst part is, chiefs like you are no longer the exception; you’re now the rule.

policeone.com

37 NJDhockeyfan  Oct 9, 2014 9:13:30pm

re: #31 Dark_Falcon

Tanks? APCs perhaps, not tanks.

I put the scanner on. I’ll listen to see if they mention that.

38 William Barnett-Lewis  Oct 9, 2014 9:14:15pm

re: #33 lostlakehiker

At Tien An Men, the Chinese authorities brought in Mongol troops when local soldiers proved reluctant to grind protesters under the gears of their tanks.

It’s the same old story.

Not to mention the division sized PLA vs PLA battles fought outside Beijing before the crackdown could happen.

39 goddamnedfrank  Oct 9, 2014 9:14:28pm

re: #31 Dark_Falcon

Tanks? APCs perhaps, not tanks.

Was there a sale on pedantry today that I missed?

40 Rightwingconspirator  Oct 9, 2014 9:15:05pm

re: #36 Aunty Entity Dragon

Thats inciting a police riot. 1968 anyone?

41 WhatEVs  Oct 9, 2014 9:15:13pm

re: #36 Aunty Entity Dragon

I think we need to start tweeting pictures of comments from police one with the URLs. Those assholes should not be police officers. They should not be in any police force. Most of them sound like thugs. Stone cold thugs.

42 NJDhockeyfan  Oct 9, 2014 9:15:53pm

Scanner… A cop just said someone on a bike coming from behind hit him in the head with a brick.

43 Aunty Entity Dragon  Oct 9, 2014 9:16:48pm

re: #41 WhatEVs

I think we need to start tweeting pictures of comments from police one with the URLs. Those assholes should not be police officers. They should not be in any police force. Most of them sound like thugs. Stone cold thugs.

If anybody with the requisite technical skills wants to do this, I would be happy to contribute.

More people need to see the cockroaches hiding in plain sight at Policeone.

44 WhatEVs  Oct 9, 2014 9:18:57pm

re: #43 Aunty Entity Dragon

If anybody with the requisite technical skills wants to do this, I would be happy to contribute.

More people need to see the cockroaches hiding in plain sight at Policeone.

Post individual comments (copy/paste) with the URL here and I’ll tweet the LGF comments.

45 teleskiguy  Oct 9, 2014 9:19:05pm

re: #35 Rightwingconspirator

MRAP

SWAT

LRAD

Rubber bullets, tear gas, batons, arrests of journalists and innocent protesters. In the United States of America circa 2014

All because the police screwed the pooch and the locals won’t have it.

It infuriates me to no end.

I’m lucky in that I can trust my local law enforcement to be, y’know, human beings around me. But I am the exception, what with living mere miles away from world class skiing resorts.

*ugh*

Shit’s rotten to the core in St. Louis. And the methane bubbles are popping here and there, so to speak.

46 klys  Oct 9, 2014 9:20:32pm
47 Aunty Entity Dragon  Oct 9, 2014 9:22:31pm

Openly racist comments appearing at Policeone:

Sigsauer1 on Thursday, October 09, 2014 02:22 PM Pacific Report Abuse

Kenstah good point.. I too have posted in the past where are the Unions (who give to the dumbocrat party) to back us, the IACP & National Sheriff’s Association, Federal LE Unions need to speak out for us. The “RACE CARD” has been tossed out too many times and you can only cry WOLF so much. SCREW these ANIMALS. How many blacks will kill or wound other blacks tonight on our streets and in our communities?“Showing Restraint” is only going to bury our country. Vonderrit D. Myers mother has not seen him in a month if truth be told.

policeone.com

Sigsauer1 on Thursday, October 09, 2014 01:22 PM Pacific Report Abuse

“The police chief said some in the crowd Wednesday night shouted obscenities at officers and damaged police cars, but that the officers “showed great restraint.” I am sick of this restraint by LE. Kick their useless, welfare sucking asses and stand up for a civil society. Can’t work can you? Gotta riot and steal for a living. Pitiful animals. How many black were shot and wounded or killed last night in America by other blacks? It is done past getting old with the ones who pay the bills.

policeone.com

48 Aunty Entity Dragon  Oct 9, 2014 9:23:10pm

re: #44 WhatEVs

Post individual comments (copy/paste) with the URL here and I’ll tweet the LGF comments.

I have no idea how to find the URL. :(

49 NJDhockeyfan  Oct 9, 2014 9:24:59pm
50 Jenner7  Oct 9, 2014 9:25:12pm

re: #47 Aunty Entity Dragon

Vonderrit D. Myers mother has not seen him in a month if truth be told

How would they know?? A holes.

51 NJDhockeyfan  Oct 9, 2014 9:26:11pm
52 WhatEVs  Oct 9, 2014 9:26:40pm

re: #48 Aunty Entity Dragon

I have no idea how to find the URL. :(

It’s the address bar that the page is on. Like http // www. whatever. com/ morestuff/ CGDTHB244. html

53 teleskiguy  Oct 9, 2014 9:30:27pm

[DELETED] Because I should have been more careful reading and comprehending.

54 Aunty Entity Dragon  Oct 9, 2014 9:31:02pm

re: #45 teleskiguy

It infuriates me to no end.

I’m lucky in that I can trust my local law enforcement to be, y’know, human beings around me. But I am the exception, what with living mere miles away from world class skiing resorts.

*ugh*

Shit’s rotten to the core in St. Louis. And the methane bubbles are popping here and there, so to speak.

That is why I was so astonished to see that lawyer in DC just calmly tell the officers to leave her handyman alone…GO AWAY NOW…and then get the guy while the officers are sputtering and take him away.

Almost anybody else would have risked serious injury or death…and she likely knew how much potential danger she was in.

Then again, when you read her bio you also see she is one of the top .001% power players and that it would have been a major national incident if the officers had actually touched her.

Under Ms. Westby’s leadership, Global Cyber Risk LLC has developed an international reputation as a boutique firm that provides first-tier advisory, forensic, and technical services to corporations, non-profit organizations, and governments, focusing on privacy, security, cybercrime, and breach management. Drawing upon a unique combination of more than twenty years of technical, legal, policy, and business experience, Ms. Westby also offers specialized expertise in cross-border data flows, IT governance, global business environments, and forensic investigations. In addition, she and her team have helped multinational corporations develop enterprise approaches to e-discovery that enable them to efficiently respond to discovery requests, develop litigation strategies, and deflect attempts by opposing parties to obtain access to their systems.

Ms. Westby serves as Adjunct Professor at Georgia Institute of Technology’s School of Computer Science and as Adjunct Distinguished Fellow at Carnegie Mellon CyLab. She was lead author on Carnegie Mellon’s Governing for Enterprise Security Implementation Guide, which was developed for boards and senior management, and its 2008, 2010, and 2012 Governance of Enterprise Security Survey reports. Ms. Westby’s work for Carnegie Mellon on the governance responsibilities of boards and senior executives for the security of their organizations’ systems and data has been featured by the CISO Executive Network and Bloomberg BNA.

Prior to founding Global Cyber Risk, Ms. Westby served as senior managing director for PricewaterhouseCoopers (PwC) where she was responsible for information security, privacy, information sharing, and critical infrastructure protection issues across the federal government. She also was co-lead in launching their outsourcing practice.

55 NJDhockeyfan  Oct 9, 2014 9:31:58pm

All this has been mentioned on the scanner. They are preparing for something.

56 Aunty Entity Dragon  Oct 9, 2014 9:33:37pm

re: #52 WhatEVs

Okay.

policeone.com

Hmm…when I try to post it it just shows up as this.

57 Dark_Falcon  Oct 9, 2014 9:34:51pm

re: #39 goddamnedfrank

Was there a sale on pedantry today that I missed?

No, I was born this way.

58 NJDhockeyfan  Oct 9, 2014 9:35:24pm
59 Rightwingconspirator  Oct 9, 2014 9:36:47pm

Goodnight, play nice and may peace prevail for at least the overnight

60 WhatEVs  Oct 9, 2014 9:37:11pm

re: #56 Aunty Entity Dragon

Okay.

policeone.com

Hmm…when I try to post it it just shows up as this.

Yup. That’s exactly right.

Post the assholes comment and the URL beneath it. And I’ll start tweeting.

61 teleskiguy  Oct 9, 2014 9:37:55pm

re: #57 Dark_Falcon

No, I was born this way.

We have a Lada Gaga Fan in our midst!
There’s no shame! She’s, well, uh, Lady Gaga!!!

Youtube Video

62 Aunty Entity Dragon  Oct 9, 2014 9:38:17pm

re: #57 Dark_Falcon

No, I was born this way.

You missed my epic take down of tank definitions I posted at Radly Balko’s place before he started blogging at the Washington Post.

My comment is number 15.

Enjoy!

theagitator.com

63 Aunty Entity Dragon  Oct 9, 2014 9:41:03pm

re: #60 WhatEVs

Yup. That’s exactly right.

Post the assholes comment and the URL beneath it. And I’ll start tweeting.

I have adjusted the above previous comments with the URL.

64 Dark_Falcon  Oct 9, 2014 9:41:20pm

re: #62 Aunty Entity Dragon

You missed my epic take down of tank definitions I posted at Radly Balko’s place before he started blogging at the Washington Post.

My comment is number 15.

Enjoy!

theagitator.com

Very Cool. Good Night.

65 De Kolta Chair  Oct 9, 2014 9:43:01pm

At TWA, we don’t take “nein mein Fuhrer” for an answer.

66 Aunty Entity Dragon  Oct 9, 2014 9:45:50pm
67 Aunty Entity Dragon  Oct 9, 2014 9:47:15pm
68 NJDhockeyfan  Oct 9, 2014 9:48:26pm
69 Jocko's Rocket Ship  Oct 9, 2014 9:49:10pm

re: #31 Dark_Falcon

I’ll take this stupid comment to re-up your other note on the Quinn ad AR-15s. It was one of the few ads (on either side) that doesn’t distort.

AR-15 are stupid guns unless you in a military situation. The ad’s premise is true all day. The counter-argument is always based on fantasy situations that exist only in movies. But keep fucking that chicken you polite, thoughtful I’m-not-a-wingnut, wingnut-at-core that will never covert.

70 Aunty Entity Dragon  Oct 9, 2014 9:53:25pm

re: #69 Jocko’s Rocket Ship

DF has been polite and respectful. Please try to do likewise.

71 William Barnett-Lewis  Oct 9, 2014 9:53:44pm

re: #62 Aunty Entity Dragon

Former US Army treadhead approves.

72 Aunty Entity Dragon  Oct 9, 2014 9:54:17pm

re: #68 NJDhockeyfan

Yeah…I see this going badly.

73 WhatEVs  Oct 9, 2014 9:56:36pm
74 Aunty Entity Dragon  Oct 9, 2014 9:56:44pm

re: #71 William Barnett-Lewis

Former US Army treadhead approves.

Glad you enjoyed it :)

75 NJDhockeyfan  Oct 9, 2014 9:57:21pm

re: #72 Aunty Entity Dragon

Yeah…I see this going badly.

I just heard on the scanner that a guy busted the windshield on a police car and is now standing on the corner asking for the cops to come and get him.

76 wheat-dogghazi  Oct 9, 2014 9:59:27pm

Time to send in the National Guard to calm things down. County police or state police are not going to help the situation.

77 jaunte  Oct 9, 2014 10:00:31pm
78 Aunty Entity Dragon  Oct 9, 2014 10:01:48pm
79 Jenner7  Oct 9, 2014 10:03:32pm
80 jaunte  Oct 9, 2014 10:03:46pm
81 teleskiguy  Oct 9, 2014 10:04:48pm

re: #70 Aunty Entity Dragon

DF has been polite and respectful. Please try to do likewise.

Eh, I don’t know about that.

littlegreenfootballs.com

82 Aunty Entity Dragon  Oct 9, 2014 10:05:13pm

re: #75 NJDhockeyfan

I just heard on the scanner that a guy busted the windshield on a police car and is now standing on the corner asking for the cops to come and get him.

Eventually, state violence begets violence from the polity. There was this thing called the French Revolution…

In any event, when people are convinced the police are a racket engaged in enemy action as seems to be the mood in Ferguson and St Louis, you will not see normal social restraint working to filter complaints through the approved government channels. People will start to take more…ahem…direct action.

83 Jocko's Rocket Ship  Oct 9, 2014 10:06:33pm

re: #70 Aunty Entity Dragon

DF has been polite and respectful. Please try to do likewise.

I led that he is polite and respectful, right? I don’t have to respond in kind. I don’t. My comments were based on his history and immediate comments. He’s a wing-nut at core, just not a raving one, and that’s where he will vote every time. And when he defends AR-15s for every other wingnut, I don’t think I need to be polite.

84 WhatEVs  Oct 9, 2014 10:07:12pm

re: #82 Aunty Entity Dragon

Especially if they feel they’re living on borrowed time and have a pretty good shot at being the next arrested-for-nothing, or worse, dead-for-nothing kid.

85 klys  Oct 9, 2014 10:09:41pm

re: #70 Aunty Entity Dragon

DF also ignores polite and respectful comments for him to consider the harm his chosen party inflicts on his fellow Lizards, so I can understand the frustration that can sometimes bleed through.

86 Aunty Entity Dragon  Oct 9, 2014 10:15:39pm
87 NJDhockeyfan  Oct 9, 2014 10:17:44pm

Scanner…someone called in reporting they heard 9 shots fired.

88 NJDhockeyfan  Oct 9, 2014 10:18:33pm

re: #86 Aunty Entity Dragon

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Ugh

89 Aunty Entity Dragon  Oct 9, 2014 10:20:13pm

Total wingnut.

90 TedStriker  Oct 9, 2014 10:26:08pm

re: #85 klys

DF also ignores polite and respectful comments for him to consider the harm his chosen party inflicts on his fellow Lizards, so I can understand the frustration that can sometimes bleed through.

I finally got fed up with his passive-aggressive, RAH RAH GO TEAM GOP shit 2-3 weeks ago when he was attacking Gabby Giffords for having the temerity to call out Martha McSally, a Republican running for her old Congressional seat (you know, the one Giffords had to step down from because she almost got her damn brains completely blown out by a fucking whackjob in public in broad daylight), for not wanting to tighten up the private-party gun sales loopholes and the like, IIRC.

I told him to his face (virtually, of course) to get fucked and that he was on my scrollover list from then on out, because no matter how many times we try to appeal to logic and to his (presumably) better nature, his default always seems to be PARTY UBER ALLES, because of family politics or some other malarkey.

I’m sick and tired of his craven, cowardly, mindless political shit.

91 teleskiguy  Oct 9, 2014 10:34:02pm

The karma system works quite well at LGF.

For instance:

Karma: 30,635

klys (klys)

Registered since: Nov 13, 2012 at 8:20 pm
No. of comments posted: 9,965
No. of Pages posted: 7

which gives us a roughly 3:1 karma to comment ratio.

Whereas:

Karma: 81,961

Dark_Falcon

Registered since: Jun 25, 2007 at 8:40 am
No. of comments posted: 73,179
No. of Pages posted: 84

which gives us a roughly 8.2:7.3 karma to comment ratio.

That speaks for itself.

92 The War TARDIS  Oct 9, 2014 10:36:24pm

re: #91 teleskiguy

And I admit to have being a tool in the past, and having a relapse into paranoia today.

I actually am fearing for myself over what the nutcases in the Republican party are saying here. Granted, I had a rough week, but still….

93 TedStriker  Oct 9, 2014 10:36:42pm

re: #91 teleskiguy

The karma system works quite well at LGF.

For instance:

which gives us a roughly 3:1 karma to comment ratio.

Whereas:

which gives us a roughly 8.1:7.3 karma to comment ratio.

That speaks for itself.

You’re at about 3:1 too and I’m at about 2:1; Dark’s a shade over 1:1.

It is what it is, I suppose.

94 teleskiguy  Oct 9, 2014 10:37:57pm

re: #92 The War TARDIS

And I admit to have being a tool in the past, and having a relapse into paranoia today.

I actually am fearing for myself over what the nutcases in the Republican party are saying here. Granted, I had a rough week, but still….

Being who and where you are, the paranoia might not seem unfounded to some rational people.

Just remember how Gandhi and MLK did it. They succeeded and they showed us how to do it.

95 teleskiguy  Oct 9, 2014 10:40:01pm

re: #93 TedStriker

You’re at about 3:1 too and I’m at about 2:1; Dark’s a shade over 1:1.

It is what it is, I suppose.

You’ve also been able to comment here since the good ol’ days of MandyManners, Walter L. Newton, Cato the Elder, Sharmuta…

Eh Gahds! Did I just type all those names out?!?

96 Aunty Entity Dragon  Oct 9, 2014 10:41:52pm

re: #95 teleskiguy

You’ve also been able to comment here since the good ol’ days of MandyManners, Walter L. Newton, Cato the Elder, Sharmuta…

Eh Gahds! Did I just type all those names out?!?

I remember Walter L. Newton…

Not fondly…but I remember him.

97 TedStriker  Oct 9, 2014 10:44:01pm

re: #95 teleskiguy

You’ve also been able to comment here since the good ol’ days of MandyManners, Walter L. Newton, Cato the Elder, Sharmuta…

Eh Gahds! Did I just type all those names out?!?

They all gave the place texture…that is, when they weren’t going off the rails.

I never did find out what happened with Sharmuta though; I thought that they just dropped out.

I do miss SFZ (who’s been AWOL for a long time) and reine (who does drop in from time to time, just not enough), though

98 The Ghost of a Flea (R)  Oct 9, 2014 10:45:57pm

re: #92 The War TARDIS

And I admit to have being a tool in the past, and having a relapse into paranoia today.

I actually am fearing for myself over what the nutcases in the Republican party are saying here. Granted, I had a rough week, but still….

Honestly, I get scared too. I’m an atheist with a 2-ton Buddha in the yard, surrounded by the Rapture-ready. I live near a church that literally curses my family in the pews.

The thing is, you have to assay your own fear and not let it control you. I do a lot of self talk, and a lot of conscious exercise of apatheia .

What it comes down to is, yes, there is a basis for concern, but anger and panic won’t help. Calm and attention to detail are the best way to go. Even if shit gets worse, still better to be calm. Anger is a cheap substitute for actual clarity of thought.

ETA: Also, people are not as awful as they seem through the spectrum of politics. Look for the helpers, as Mr. Rogers would say.

And I say all that realizing it’s way easier to say than do. Oh so much. I would say you are trying and succeeding on the basis of your board behavior, so also don’t balance your awareness of error with a tally of your successes…which will feel weird, since “success” in this case has no fanfare.

99 NJDhockeyfan  Oct 9, 2014 10:47:46pm

re: #96 Aunty Entity Dragon

I remember Walter L. Newton…

Not fondly…but I remember him.

I liked Walter. I liked Mandy too. I wish they didn’t flounce.

100 Floral Giraffe  Oct 9, 2014 10:48:16pm

re: #95 teleskiguy

You’ve also been able to comment here since the good ol’ days of MandyManners, Walter L. Newton, Cato the Elder, Sharmuta…

Eh Gahds! Did I just type all those names out?!?

Yes, you brought up some goodies from the past. You forgot Ludwig & some others….

101 NJDhockeyfan  Oct 9, 2014 10:48:51pm

re: #95 teleskiguy

You’ve also been able to comment here since the good ol’ days of MandyManners, Walter L. Newton, Cato the Elder, Sharmuta…

Eh Gahds! Did I just type all those names out?!?

Who was the truck driver from, I think, Colorado?

102 Floral Giraffe  Oct 9, 2014 10:49:06pm

re: #99 NJDhockeyfan

I liked Walter. I liked Mandy too. I wish they didn’t flounceget the stick.
.

FTFY

103 Kragar  Oct 9, 2014 10:49:59pm

Get off my lawn.

104 Floral Giraffe  Oct 9, 2014 10:50:25pm

re: #103 Kragar

Whippersnapper!

105 TedStriker  Oct 9, 2014 10:50:59pm

re: #99 NJDhockeyfan

I liked Walter. I liked Mandy too. I wish they didn’t flounce.

In hindsight, Walter and Mandy were fucking toxic, especially Mandy; I don’t miss them at all.

106 NJDhockeyfan  Oct 9, 2014 10:51:26pm
107 WhatEVs  Oct 9, 2014 10:51:56pm

re: #91 teleskiguy

(Sigh) I hate math. And you make it look so easy.

#ImAdope

108 NJDhockeyfan  Oct 9, 2014 10:53:37pm
109 William Barnett-Lewis  Oct 9, 2014 10:53:58pm

re: #96 Aunty Entity Dragon

I remember Walter L. Newton…

Not fondly…but I remember him.

Heh. I have fond memories of Cato though.

110 Jocko's Rocket Ship  Oct 9, 2014 10:57:48pm

re: #90 TedStriker

I finally got fed up with his passive-aggressive, RAH RAH GO TEAM GOP shit 2-3 weeks ago when he was attacking Gabby Giffords for having the temerity to call out Martha McSally, a Republican running for her old Congressional seat (you know, the one Giffords had to step down from because she almost got her damn brains completely blown out by a fucking whackjob in public in broad daylight), for not wanting to tighten up the private-party gun sales loopholes and the like, IIRC.

I told him to his face (virtually, of course) to get fucked and that he was on my scrollover list from then on out, because no matter how many times we try to appeal to logic and to his (presumably) better nature, his default always seems to be PARTY UBER ALLES, because of family politics or some other malarkey.

I’m sick and tired of his craven, cowardly, mindless political shit.

yes, this is to when I saw a lost cause. I’ll let a lot of things go, but gun nut fetish is where I lose it.

111 Jenner7  Oct 9, 2014 11:01:13pm

Ha!

112 goddamnedfrank  Oct 9, 2014 11:01:49pm

re: #91 teleskiguy

The karma system works quite well at LGF.

For instance:

which gives us a roughly 3:1 karma to comment ratio.

Whereas:

which gives us a roughly 8.2:7.3 karma to comment ratio.

That speaks for itself.

My karma ratio is 4.419 to 1.

113 goddamnedfrank  Oct 9, 2014 11:02:36pm

re: #112 goddamnedfrank

Forgot my image.

This is me, right now.

114 Single-handed sailor  Oct 9, 2014 11:03:22pm

re: #112 goddamnedfrank

My karma ratio is 4.419 to 1.

not any more…

115 goddamnedfrank  Oct 9, 2014 11:04:48pm

re: #114 Single-handed sailor

116 teleskiguy  Oct 9, 2014 11:05:12pm

re: #98 The Ghost of a Flea

It sounds like you’re in a place where Enlightenment and Scientific thought is scarce. Well, that would put you in the right place, right? A person who pushes back using the most humane tools possible: logic, reason, engagement of ideas and constructive argument.

Good luck friend. I admire your meddle, and keep that true grit!

117 Floral Giraffe  Oct 9, 2014 11:05:22pm

re: #106 NJDhockeyfan

Thank you!

118 teleskiguy  Oct 9, 2014 11:05:59pm

Is it just me, or are some Lizards feeling old?

119 NJDhockeyfan  Oct 9, 2014 11:08:00pm

re: #117 Floral Giraffe

Thank you!

I saw you were here and couldn’t resist ;)

120 The War TARDIS  Oct 9, 2014 11:11:23pm

I will try to do better.

121 The Ghost of a Flea (R)  Oct 9, 2014 11:13:38pm

re: #115 goddamnedfrank

[Embedded image]

The hedgehog has clearly seen Spartacus.

ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED?

122 NJDhockeyfan  Oct 9, 2014 11:14:25pm

re: #118 teleskiguy

Is it just me, or are some Lizards feeling old?

Holy shit, I’ve been here for 8 1/2 years. I’m a young 51 now.

123 teleskiguy  Oct 9, 2014 11:15:07pm

re: #120 The War TARDIS

I will try to do better.

That’s about all we can do.

But some don’t do shit!

124 Jenner7  Oct 9, 2014 11:17:28pm

Now police are TRAPPING protesters, then telling them to go home.

Unreal.

125 teleskiguy  Oct 9, 2014 11:19:42pm

re: #124 Jenner7

Now police are TRAPPING protesters, then telling them to go home.

That sentence is an oxymoron.

It’s 2014.

126 goddamnedfrank  Oct 9, 2014 11:25:12pm

So, relevant to the rather irritating experience I had today, apparently Steve Jobs actually fucking said this:

“I’ve never met one of you who didn’t suck. I’ve never known an HR person who had anything but a mediocre mentality.”

It does kind of paint Jobs as somewhat of a dick, inasmuch as he said this directly to someone who was interviewing for a VP of HR position with Apple. Still, it’s true, and sometimes you’ve just got to let that shit fly.

127 NJDhockeyfan  Oct 9, 2014 11:25:54pm

Uh oh

128 wheat-dogghazi  Oct 9, 2014 11:32:20pm

re: #126 goddamnedfrank

So, relevant to the rather irritating experience I had today, apparently Steve Jobs actually fucking said this:

It does kind of paint Jobs as somewhat of a dick, inasmuch as he said this directly to someone who was interviewing for a VP of HR position with Apple. Still, it’s true, and sometimes you’ve just got to let that shit fly.

I read Jobs’ biography. He was an absolute dick at times to his friends and colleagues, saying stuff that would get other people a quick poke in the nose. But at other times, when he was not obsessing about one product or another, he could be more human. Those times were rare.

OTOH, I suppose you never had to guess what Jobs was thinking. He told you without dressing it up with fancy wrapping paper and a bow. That’s a rare quality in the business world.

129 teleskiguy  Oct 9, 2014 11:40:11pm

re: #128 wheat-dogghazi

I read Jobs’ biography. He was an absolute dick at times to his friends and colleagues, saying stuff that would get other people a quick poke in the nose. But at other times, when he was not obsessing about one product or another, he could be more human. Those times were rare.

OTOH, I suppose you never had to guess what Jobs was thinking. He told you without dressing it up with fancy wrapping paper and a bow. That’s a rare quality in the business world.

Funny. I see a parallel with Frank Zappa. He was heavily criticized by some of his players (notably Jimmy Carl Black) for his “autocratic” ways. But Frank Zappa still did his thing.

So did Steve Jobs.

I guess.

:-P

Also, they both died of cancer in their 50s. That’s kind of creepy.

130 wheat-dogghazi  Oct 9, 2014 11:44:37pm

re: #129 teleskiguy

Funny. I see a parallel with Frank Zappa. He was heavily criticized by some of his players (notably Jimmy Carl Black) for his “autocratic” ways. But Frank Zappa still did his thing.

So did Steve Jobs.

I guess.

:-P

Given the choice between a manipulative and secretive boss and a direct and outspoken boss, I’d pick the second one, as long as he or she respects the staff’s abilities. I’ve had both kinds, and the first kind makes you feel as if you’re standing on quicksand. The second kind is no picnic, either, but at least they tell you exactly what’s wrong instead of leaving with a vague sense of impending doom.

131 goddamnedfrank  Oct 9, 2014 11:46:30pm

re: #129 teleskiguy

Funny. I see a parallel with Frank Zappa. He was heavily criticized by some of his players (notably Jimmy Carl Black) for his “autocratic” ways. But Frank Zappa still did his thing.

So did Steve Jobs.

I guess.

:-P

Also, they both died of cancer in their early 50s. That’s kind of creepy.

Jobs’ stubbornness apparently played a role in his death. He reportedly ignored his doctors’ initial medical advice to attack his cancer with aggressive early treatments, opting instead for some alternative therapies.

According to Steve Jobs’ biographer, Walter Isaacson, the Apple mastermind eventually came to regret the decision he had made years earlier to reject potentially life-saving surgery in favor of alternative treatments like acupuncture, dietary supplements and juices. Though he ultimately embraced the surgery and sought out cutting-edge experimental methods, they were not enough to save him.

Sad really. I don’t care how much of a genius one is, a man’s got to know his limitations.

132 wheat-dogghazi  Oct 9, 2014 11:48:43pm

re: #131 goddamnedfrank

Yes, I picked up on that, too. Being expert and successful in one field does not usually translate well into other fields. Hubris tends to be the downfall of more people besides Greek heroes.

133 teleskiguy  Oct 9, 2014 11:50:39pm

re: #131 goddamnedfrank

Jobs’ stubbornness apparently played a role in his death. He reportedly ignored his doctors’ initial medical advice to attack his cancer with aggressive early treatments, opting instead for some alternative therapies.

Sad really. I don’t care how much of a genius one is, a man’s got to know his limitations.

And this “leave me alone I know what I’m doing” attitude, which could be crudely construed as, uh, Libertarianism, is a rampant thinking among the tech elite in Silicon Valley. Scary thought.

134 goddamnedfrank  Oct 9, 2014 11:56:08pm

In any event, Jobs could have been the biggest asshole to ever walk the face of this planet and his point about HR functionaries would still stand.

135 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Oct 10, 2014 12:26:33am

re: #91 teleskiguy

The karma system works quite well at LGF.

For instance:

which gives us a roughly 3:1 karma to comment ratio.

Whereas:

which gives us a roughly 8.2:7.3 karma to comment ratio.

That speaks for itself.

It’s not there to compare dicks!

136 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Oct 10, 2014 2:07:56am

patheos.com

137 leftynyc  Oct 10, 2014 2:37:15am

Malala wins the Nobel Peace Prize. That’s an awesome choice. Here’s what the BBC has on the other winner:

Mr Satyarthi, 60, has maintained the tradition of Mahatma Gandhi and headed various forms of peaceful protests, “focusing on the grave exploitation of children for financial gain,” the committee said.

Sometimes the Nobel committee gets it right. This is one of those years.

138 freetoken  Oct 10, 2014 2:56:21am

MP3 Audio

139 wheat-dogghazi  Oct 10, 2014 3:26:18am

re: #137 leftynyc

The Taliban will be foaming at the mouth. Too bad so sad.

140 RealityBasedSteve  Oct 10, 2014 4:33:48am

Stormy wet and dark morning. These are the kinds of mornings I appreciate getting on the bus with my coffee, log into their WiFi and just relax on my way to work.

Morning

141 William Barnett-Lewis  Oct 10, 2014 4:40:41am

A bus with WiFi? Must be nice… :)

142 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Oct 10, 2014 4:42:44am

re: #141 William Barnett-Lewis

A bus with WiFi? Must be nice… :)

Google bus?

143 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Oct 10, 2014 4:44:49am

A few thoughts on various current debates re.: the relationship between the fundamentalism as such, the religious precepts on which it relies and the social situation in which it grows.

On one hand, the social factors are certainly causal to an extent - I would expect fundamentalism to be more likely among the less educated, thus among the impoverished and dispossessed. E.g. in quite a lot of poor African countries religion finds pretty ugly expressions, be it Islam or Christianity. That, unfortunately, is more or less expected.

On the other hand, it would be hard to argue that particular “commandments” of particular religions don’t play a major role. If the anti-women and anti-gay precepts inherent in the Abrahamic tradition weren’t there, it’s not at all clear that today we would be witnessing public executions of gays in Iran or Malala’s suffering (etc.). It could have still happened, sure, but the probability of it happening would have been different.

When these precepts are (mostly, to some extent or other) overcome (cf. Turkey and Israel), it happens despite religion and due to socio-political factors.

So one could, in principle, differentiate between various religious sets of rules in how they influence this or that situation.

Of course, in order for such a differentiation to work, one should sort out the “religious tradition” from the “folk tradition”. Which can be hard to do, esp. as the former is often but a glorified form of the latter (the difference often lying in whether or not this glorified folk tradition is indigenous). E.g. clearly FGM is not Islamic in the sense that it neither originated with Islam, nor is unique to those demographically Muslim regions where it’s traditionally practiced. Both Christians and Jews in the areas were/are known to practice it. So it’s more of a folk tradition that has been enshrined as religious by some Muslims, but not by the historical Islam as such. It could even be that FGM would continue in a revolutionary-atheistic state, with corresponding “materialistic” excuses for it. One could also remember about the treatment of male homosexuals in USSR (though here the “chicken or egg” problem arises - were the “popular attitudes” such because Russia had previously been an Orthodox state?).

In the end, it makes sense to analyze all factors - social, political, “theological”. There’s a complex interplay and feedback between all of them. Still, recognizing the “theological” factor would mean the acknowledgment that religions do carry with them a no small amount of “garbage” collected throughout the centuries, the “garbage” the modern people could do without. Focusing only on that “garbage” doesn’t amount to some heroic clear-headed analysis. It’s a one-sided, oftentimes bigoted approach. But ignoring it, while concentrating only on the political or social factors won’t do either.

144 RealityBasedSteve  Oct 10, 2014 4:45:10am

Nope. Regional transit authority. Big greyhound type bus, comfy seats, WiFi and sat. TV. And cheaper than driving each day

145 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Oct 10, 2014 4:51:37am

re: #143 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

I see it quite clearly: “The Pursuit of Happiness” as we call it, means that we are free to do whatever we like as long as we do not infringe on the rights of others.

The “religious freedom” factions seems to think that imposing their will on others is some sort of basic right that is being infringed on by things such as contraception, gay marriage, prostitution, gambling or drug use.

146 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Oct 10, 2014 4:52:32am

re: #144 RealityBasedSteve

Nope. Regional transit authority. Big greyhound type bus, comfy seats, WiFi and sat. TV. And cheaper than driving each day

Sounds socialistic to me.

/

147 Dark_Falcon  Oct 10, 2014 4:54:10am

Nope I’m deleting that. I’ve got to get to work and that one’s not fair as a post-and-run.

148 A Mom Anon  Oct 10, 2014 5:03:55am

For the Colorado Lizards….

The Husband might have a shot at a job in the Denver area. I have no clue about that part of the country and have a couple of questions:

1) Would a salary of between 70-80 K allow for a comfortable life for a family of 3 people (and two pets)? Nothing extravagant, just average middle class stuff.

2) What’s the job market like? My son and I would be looking to find jobs too, after the move is over and the dust has settled a bit. We’d both be “beginners” so to speak, him entering the market as a young adult, me reentering after a 20 yr absence.

3) Are there programs to help with tech school costs? For me and the kid.

4)What about adjusting to the altitude? Any tips?

I know I can find all this on the internet, but hearing it from people who actually live there would be helpful. We’re coming from Atlanta, it’s a big difference in weather (I foresee a visit to REI or somewhere similar if this actually happens), culture, terrain, and who knows what else. TIA.

149 nsmith25  Oct 10, 2014 5:45:13am

5 Minutes to 12 hour fasting blood draw

10 minutes to breakfast. Something with bacon and moar bacon.


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