1 NJDhockeyfan  Oct 11, 2014 7:45:17pm
2 Waxing Rapsodik  Oct 11, 2014 7:46:58pm

One more spider pic and I’m out of here.

3 Charles Johnson  Oct 11, 2014 7:47:20pm

One of Chuck C. Johnson’s fans chimes in.

@HonoringOurCSA

4 teleskiguy  Oct 11, 2014 7:48:29pm

re: #2 Editor in Chief

One more spider pic and I’m out of here.

5 A Mom Anon  Oct 11, 2014 7:50:14pm

re: #3 Charles Johnson

OFFS, Really? I am so sick and tired of these retrograde nitwit throwbacks I could scream. Is there a sane place left in America or has the whole country lost its damned mind?

6 prairiefire  Oct 11, 2014 7:51:45pm

re: #2 Editor in Chief

One more spider pic and I’m out of here.

Scary avatar! I won’t link to the house infested with brown recluses outside St. Louis, then.

7 FemNaziBitch  Oct 11, 2014 7:52:23pm

re: #4 teleskiguy

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YOU ARE MEAN!!!

8 FemNaziBitch  Oct 11, 2014 7:53:16pm
9 NJDhockeyfan  Oct 11, 2014 7:54:59pm

re: #2 Editor in Chief

One more spider pic and I’m out of here.

Youtube Video

10 FemNaziBitch  Oct 11, 2014 7:57:15pm
11 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Oct 11, 2014 7:58:41pm

re: #8 FemNaziBitch

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The menfolk were still allowed to have a career and a marriage. But I suppose one takes progress where one can find it.

12 FemNaziBitch  Oct 11, 2014 7:59:27pm
13 NJDhockeyfan  Oct 11, 2014 8:03:36pm
14 RadicalModerate  Oct 11, 2014 8:04:52pm

re: #12 FemNaziBitch

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If they start advocating the destruction of Comic Sans, I honestly don’t know if I could condemn them.

15 ausador  Oct 11, 2014 8:05:05pm

re: #3 Charles Johnson

One of Chuck C. Johnson’s fans chimes in.

@HonoringOurCSA

Twitter finally changed its report form, you no longer have to be the person the tweet is directed at to report it as harassment. Yeah…

16 FemNaziBitch  Oct 11, 2014 8:06:16pm

re: #11 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi

The menfolk were still allowed required/expected to have a career and a marriage. But I suppose one takes progress where one can find it.

FTFY

17 goddamnedfrank  Oct 11, 2014 8:07:44pm

Baldrick has a cunning plan.

18 FemNaziBitch  Oct 11, 2014 8:07:48pm
19 prairiefire  Oct 11, 2014 8:08:03pm

re: #15 ausador

Twitter finally changed its report form, you no longer have to be person the tweet is directed at to report it as harassment. Yehh…

…so much power…

20 ausador  Oct 11, 2014 8:08:25pm

re: #5 A Mom Anon

OFFS, Really? I am so sick and tired of these retrograde nitwit throwbacks I could scream. Is there a sane place left in America or has the whole country lost its damned mind?

It is a account made just for trolling, he got a tweet from another guy about half an hour ago saying “it is time” to go troll the hashtags for the St. Louis shootings. Apparently he isn’t working alone…

21 Charles Johnson  Oct 11, 2014 8:08:33pm
22 FemNaziBitch  Oct 11, 2014 8:08:36pm

IT’S snarky, but I can’t help it.

23 Jenner7  Oct 11, 2014 8:08:54pm

Activists are not having the block party feel in Ferguson right now and I don’t blame them. All that hard work for a party??? Nah.

24 FemNaziBitch  Oct 11, 2014 8:09:01pm

re: #21 Charles Johnson

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He’ll have to stand in line behind Clive Bundy.

25 FemNaziBitch  Oct 11, 2014 8:09:35pm

re: #20 ausador

It is a account made just for trolling, he got a tweet from another guy about half an hour ago saying “it is time” to go troll the hashtags for the St. Louis shootings. Apparently he isn’t working alone…

pathetic

26 Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 11, 2014 8:09:46pm

my spider contribution:

niterz all…

27 goddamnedfrank  Oct 11, 2014 8:10:25pm
28 FemNaziBitch  Oct 11, 2014 8:10:46pm
29 RadicalModerate  Oct 11, 2014 8:13:32pm

re: #15 ausador

Twitter finally changed its report form, you no longer have to be person the tweet is directed at to report it as harassment. Yehh…

They changed the form, but whenever you do report those -even for when a user making threats, it just gets an autoresponse stating that they don’t review those reports.

Here’s the response I got from when I reported someone making personal threats against someone last week:

30 allegro  Oct 11, 2014 8:13:59pm

re: #5 A Mom Anon

OFFS, Really? I am so sick and tired of these retrograde nitwit throwbacks I could scream. Is there a sane place left in America or has the whole country lost its damned mind?

Come over to my place. I got rum, Santana, cute dogs and a cuddly cockatoo.

31 teleskiguy  Oct 11, 2014 8:14:25pm

re: #27 goddamnedfrank

Good one! Even I had to look that up.

32 FemNaziBitch  Oct 11, 2014 8:14:42pm
33 FemNaziBitch  Oct 11, 2014 8:16:22pm
34 FemNaziBitch  Oct 11, 2014 8:18:10pm
35 RadicalModerate  Oct 11, 2014 8:19:29pm

re: #22 FemNaziBitch

IT’S snarky, but I can’t help it.

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I take offense at that image.
You’re insulting the Beverly Hillbillies by comparing them to the Palin clan.

36 FemNaziBitch  Oct 11, 2014 8:19:33pm
37 goddamnedfrank  Oct 11, 2014 8:19:55pm

re: #31 teleskiguy

Good one! Even I had to look that up.

It doesn’t come up often, because only the biggest, most epic level douchebags ever think of doing insane shit like that.

38 The Ghost of a Flea (R)  Oct 11, 2014 8:20:44pm

re: #21 Charles Johnson

He also knows an excellent tulip wholesaler.

If everybody chips in, he’ll make sure the money is used well.

39 FemNaziBitch  Oct 11, 2014 8:21:03pm
40 FemNaziBitch  Oct 11, 2014 8:22:43pm
41 William Barnett-Lewis  Oct 11, 2014 8:24:36pm

re: #17 goddamnedfrank

Baldrick has a cunning plan.

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Baldrick is a Effing genius by comparison.

42 FemNaziBitch  Oct 11, 2014 8:25:35pm

NYTOL

43 William Barnett-Lewis  Oct 11, 2014 8:25:51pm

re: #21 Charles Johnson

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But will he be there with a rifle in hand? Nope, just another chicken hawk coward. < spit >

44 RadicalModerate  Oct 11, 2014 8:28:38pm

re: #20 ausador

It is a account made just for trolling, he got a tweet from another guy about half an hour ago saying “it is time” to go troll the hashtags for the St. Louis shootings. Apparently he isn’t working alone…

That may be the case, but the images and retweets/follows come straight out of National Vanguard and Stormfront.

Further investigation of the imgur photo archive and other tweets has the earmarks of /pol/ over on 4chan - for those who aren’t aware, that group is openly white nationalist, and unfortunately, only a minority of the posters there are trolling - the others openly recruit for groups like Third Position, Northwest Front, and AmRen. Very, very nasty, and very violent people there.

45 NJDhockeyfan  Oct 11, 2014 8:31:36pm

re: #32 FemNaziBitch

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46 The Ghost of a Flea (R)  Oct 11, 2014 8:32:33pm

re: #43 William Barnett-Lewis

But will he be there with a rifle in hand? Nope, just another chicken hawk coward. < spit >

The veterans CCJ is fronting money for are exactly as real as the completely imaginary penis-stealing demon-possessed hobo in the bedtime story I’m making up for my completely imaginary son.

Much to the confusion of my actual son, who isn’t allowed in the bedroom during story time.

47 allegro  Oct 11, 2014 8:33:28pm

re: #43 William Barnett-Lewis

But will he be there with a rifle in hand? Nope, just another chicken hawk coward. < spit >

Indeed. He wants to raise money to send OTHER people to fight. If he was raising money to send himself, I’d be writing a check.

48 The Ghost of a Flea (R)  Oct 11, 2014 8:34:31pm

re: #46 The Ghost of a Flea (R)

My actual son is also imaginary.

My mind is being ravaged by imaginary syphilis, so I sometimes have these delusions.

I am still less full of shit than CCJ.

49 allegro  Oct 11, 2014 8:35:51pm

re: #48 The Ghost of a Flea (R)

My actual son is also imaginary.

My mind is being ravaged by imaginary syphilis, so I sometimes have these delusions.

I am still less full of shit than CCJ.

Whatever you’re smokin’ tonight, dude, please share. LOL

50 teleskiguy  Oct 11, 2014 8:39:18pm

I thought I’d put together a comment with The Ghost of a Flea’s comments to Dark_Falcon this afternoon. A great writer this contributor is!

littlegreenfootballs.com

littlegreenfootballs.com

littlegreenfootballs.com

littlegreenfootballs.com

littlegreenfootballs.com

51 teleskiguy  Oct 11, 2014 8:40:19pm
52 ausador  Oct 11, 2014 8:41:21pm

re: #45 NJDhockeyfan

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They would get a lot more blowback today for having a declawed and defanged lion as a exotic pet one would think.

53 allegro  Oct 11, 2014 8:44:00pm

re: #51 teleskiguy

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Hey, as long as you aren’t a woman or care about your ears, great company there. O_o

54 teleskiguy  Oct 11, 2014 8:54:58pm
55 prairiefire  Oct 11, 2014 9:07:00pm

God bless Jan Hooks!

56 darthstar  Oct 11, 2014 9:07:52pm

Giants won…again.

57 wheat-dogghazi  Oct 11, 2014 9:24:26pm

I think you lizards would be interested in this blog, A Hard Hat Life.

The writer is a former student of mine, a young woman who decided to become a licensed carpenter. Her first entry describes her first job, her quitting the trade, then her getting back into it.

58 The Ghost of a Flea (R)  Oct 11, 2014 9:28:49pm

re: #49 allegro

Whatever you’re smokin’ tonight, dude, please share. LOL

Do waffles count as a mind-altering substance?

59 Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 11, 2014 9:30:13pm

re: #58 The Ghost of a Flea (R)

Do waffles count as a mind-altering substance?

Depends on the syrup involved.

60 wheat-dogghazi  Oct 11, 2014 9:31:23pm

re: #58 The Ghost of a Flea (R)

Do waffles count as a mind-altering substance?

Only if they are topped with 100% genuine maple syrup.

I get a big sugar rush from syrup, myself. Probably a consequence of living outside the USA and away from daily megadoses of sugar for so long.

61 allegro  Oct 11, 2014 9:31:37pm

re: #57 wheat-dogghazi

I think you lizards would be interested in this blog, A Hard Hat Life.

The writer is a former student of mine, a young woman who decided to become a licensed carpenter. Her first entry describes her first job, her quitting the trade, then her getting back into it.

I could have written that as a young woman wildlife biologist in the 1970s. It crazes me that young women still fight the same fucking battles now, over and over again, still, forever.

62 The Ghost of a Flea (R)  Oct 11, 2014 9:36:31pm

re: #59 Eclectic Cyborg

Depends on the syrup involved.

DAMMIT I should never have trusted Lil’ John with that responsibility.

Is that too hip-hop obtuse to be funny?

Is “hip-hop obtuse” too obtuse to be funny?

63 prairiefire  Oct 11, 2014 9:41:33pm

re: #61 allegro

I could have written that as a young woman wildlife biologist in the 1970s. It crazes me that young women still fight the same fucking battles now, over and over again, still, forever.

It is a bit shocking. I think money has a lot to do with it.

64 prairiefire  Oct 11, 2014 9:46:02pm

“How baller can art be?”

65 allegro  Oct 11, 2014 9:48:17pm

re: #61 allegro

I could have written that as a young woman wildlife biologist in the 1970s. It crazes me that young women still fight the same fucking battles now, over and over again, still, forever.

Actually, that said, the advice I have for her is to embrace her male allies. They are there and will be more valuable to her than she will ever know at this point. No, they won’t entirely “get it”, that’s their privilege, but they will hear and see and it will take root. In time, it will pay off.

66 Dark_Falcon  Oct 11, 2014 9:49:10pm

re: #50 teleskiguy

I thought I’d put together a comment with The Ghost of a Flea’s comments to Dark_Falcon this afternoon. A great writer this contributor is!

littlegreenfootballs.com

littlegreenfootballs.com

littlegreenfootballs.com

littlegreenfootballs.com

littlegreenfootballs.com

Don’t forget my own addition between those last two comments.

67 allegro  Oct 11, 2014 9:51:47pm

re: #63 prairiefire

It is a bit shocking. I think money has a lot to do with it.

Gender essentialism and male domain has much more to do with it. A woman “invading” the male enclave is severely threatening. As a woman, I can’t ever really understand it but I sure have felt the repelling blast.

68 piratedan  Oct 11, 2014 10:55:15pm

re: #66 Dark_Falcon

methinks you should perhaps focus on your first entry which was the cause versus attempting to snipe any accolades at this point, just saying. Because there’s a fair number of the commentariat that ain’t buying what you’re selling; if not just just ignoring you on general principles.

69 William Barnett-Lewis  Oct 11, 2014 11:07:25pm

Probably just me, but I’d rather DF than this leftist I know who says all the right things but then gets a job as a scab while still talking revolution. I may disagree, strongly even, with DF but I’ll prefer his thick headed honesty over that guy’s opportunism.

70 freetoken  Oct 11, 2014 11:12:31pm

God put women here to have babies, no?

Jessa Duggar’s Future Father-in-Law Defends Her Holocaust-Abortion Comparison, Calls Her Critics ”Hitler’s Doppelgangers”

Jessa Duggar’s future father-in-law is defending her comparison of abortions and the Holocaust.

After visiting the Holocaust Museum the other week, the 19 Kids and Counting star upset many people by writing a controversial blog post equating abortion to the genocide […] Now, Michael Seewald, the father of her fiancé, Ben Seewald, has taken to his personal blog to blast Jessa’s critics.

[…] Abortion also is the extermination of a certain class of people deemed unworthy to live. The powers that be have legalized murder just as they did during the Holocaust. Any woman who chooses to may go to an abortion clinic and have her preborn baby violently killed.”

He went on:

In Hitler’s Germany there was legal discrimination against Jews. In our society we may legally discriminate against our own children and eradicate them. Tell me how this is not the same thing. They may protest and say that the preborn are not fully human as the Jew’s [sic] are, but even making that assertion makes them more like the Nazis than they want to be because that was how the Nazis viewed the Jews. The Jews were non persons in the eyes of the German government just as the preborn are to ours. Under the Nazi regime Jew’s [sic] rights and humanity were not considered. The same is true of a society that condones abortion. The rights and humanity of the unborn are not regarded. […]

Michael concluded by likening Jessa’s haters and proponents of abortion to Adolf Hitler himself.

“Bravo, Jessa, for daring to speak out against one of the great evils of our time even if it means that Hitler’s doppelgangers are enraged,” he wrote. “Maybe this is why Rush Limbaugh calls radical feminists ‘Femi-Nazis.’”

So there.

71 wheat-dogghazi  Oct 11, 2014 11:19:08pm

re: #70 freetoken

I have this nightmare that the Duggars have succeeded in creating an entire team of RW commentators and pundits who will inflict their nuttery on the rest of us for another two generations.

May dog have mercy on our souls.

72 freetoken  Oct 11, 2014 11:22:26pm

re: #71 wheat-dogghazi

If the family keeps up their population growth at the current rate by 2200 they will be the entire population of the US.

73 TedStriker  Oct 11, 2014 11:23:44pm

re: #71 wheat-dogghazi

I have this nightmare that the Duggars have succeeded in creating an entire team of RW commentators and pundits who will inflict their nuttery on the rest of us for another two generations.

May dog have mercy on our souls.

re: #72 freetoken

If the family keeps up their population growth at the current rate by 2200 they will be the entire population of the US.

Me, I’m praying a huge rock hurtling from outer space to curtail that…

///

74 wheat-dogghazi  Oct 11, 2014 11:25:54pm

re: #72 freetoken

The United States of Duggar. Washington, Duggar of Columbia.

OK, I need a drink.

75 prairiefire  Oct 11, 2014 11:42:49pm

re: #40 FemNaziBitch

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Sounds like the latest “Women In The IT Work Force” conference.

76 prairiefire  Oct 11, 2014 11:47:07pm

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77 prairiefire  Oct 11, 2014 11:56:59pm

re: #67 allegro

Gender essentialism and male domain has much more to do with it. A woman “invading” the male enclave is severely threatening. As a woman, I can’t ever really understand it but I sure have felt the repelling blast.

A blast like an open gas furnace.

78 wheat-dogghazi  Oct 12, 2014 12:00:04am

Watching BBC World now. Report is about a cafe in West London that has a publicly accessible 3D printer, so you can make your own souvenirs.

The reporter is a black guy (in a wheelchair) with dreadlocks and definite UK accent. How is it BBC does a better job with diversity than the US networks?

79 KiTA  Oct 12, 2014 12:26:54am

Ugh. Reminded why I don’t engage with wingnuts. Again.

Walked in on the nutter and the senior tech talking. The nutter was ranting about how Obama caused the recent recession, and how it’s just gotten worse and worse these past few years.

You know, the recession that started during the Bush administration due to him starting 2 unpaid for wars and then giving a tax cut that cost more than both of them combined? The recession that most economists think is over already? (Granted, the average American is still screwed, but that’s mostly income inequality and not the same thing.)

I pointed out that the unemployment rate is down to 5.9 percent nationally, and that’s the best it’s been in a long while. That lead to me being told that I’m a sheep and I need to stop listening to “the media” and “the government.” Oh-kay? I guess I’ll get some tea leaves to read in order find out my information.

Then the senior tech googled it and pointed out that the numbers are actually pretty good and consistently getting better as the Obama administration pulls us out of the train wreck that the GOP left us in.

“No no, that’s a lie, I can’t believe this, what planet are you living on, the unemployment rate isn’t that good because people are just leaving the US to find work in Canada!”

And that’s when I remembered why I don’t bother with this shit. I could spend the next 4 hours researching the economy, the GDP, unemployment rates, Wallstreet, what have you, come to work tomorrow with 10 pages of cliffnotes, and I would encounter the following argument:

“LA LA LA LA I BELIEVE WHAT I BELIEVE AND YOUR FACTS DON’T COUNT BECAUSE I BELIEVE DIFFERENT LA LA LA AND YOURE A BIG DOODY HEAD FOR LISTENING TO PEOPLE THAT AREN’T THE PEOPLE I LISTEN TO LA LA LA.”

And that would be the entire argument. Me citing facts and data and research, him going “la la la you’re an idiot for listening to ‘scientists’ and I know I’m right because I listen to someone on AM radio la la la.”

And it’s always the exact same, be it economics, climate change, health care, religion, what have you — and it’s not just my local nutter, it’s all of them. It’s a religion with these types. They have their little cultlike view of how the world works, and any evidence to the contrary has to be discredited, destroyed, ignored, and suppressed. It’s not worth my time to engage directly.

However, I am glad that I’ve learned to pull a Biden — when he says something obviously wrong (“The biblical flood happened in 3000 BC and it’s because a comet from Jupiter came to Earth, stopped the Earth’s rotation for 3 days, the tail was water and rained for those 3 days and then it moved away to become Venus”), don’t try to refute it.

Just laugh. Laugh and point out that he’s wrong. (“Yeah, no, that didn’t happen. We’d all be dead. Conservation of rotational energy — the wind alone would strip the Earth clean, to say nothing about us going flying into space.”)

Our culture has this weird thing where everyone feels like they’re entitled to their opinion, and this entitlement has begun to extend to the facts that they choose to believe in. People don’t have that right. People only have the right to an opinion they can defend. And facts are not opinions.

Bah, this got really long. Feel better for getting it off my chest, though. Now, off to do laundry and play this “Terra Battle” game.

80 wheat-dogghazi  Oct 12, 2014 12:41:21am

re: #79 KiTA

However, I am glad that I’ve learned to pull a Biden — when he says something obviously wrong (“The biblical flood happened in 3000 BC and it’s because a comet from Jupiter came to Earth, stopped the Earth’s rotation for 3 days, the tail was water and rained for those 3 days and then it moved away to become Venus”), don’t try to refute it.

That was Velikovsky’s idea. Decades old and still wrong.

Fractally wrong, in fact. It would take days to correct all the wrongness, and like you said, it would do no good. Like teaching a pig to dance.

81 Kragar  Oct 12, 2014 12:50:06am
82 freetoken  Oct 12, 2014 2:02:01am
83 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Oct 12, 2014 2:02:01am

re: #70 freetoken

@ Seewald: shuddup, ignorant hillbilly.

84 freetoken  Oct 12, 2014 2:02:37am

Does the Soundcloud plugin not work anymore?

85 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Oct 12, 2014 2:04:54am

re: #84 freetoken

I suppose they must’ve changed the code.

86 Targetpractice  Oct 12, 2014 4:17:39am

We get signal!

87 Varek Raith  Oct 12, 2014 4:26:15am

Main screen turn on.

88 wheat-dogghazi  Oct 12, 2014 4:26:57am

Target acquired!

90 wheat-dogghazi  Oct 12, 2014 4:38:49am

re: #89 Varek Raith

Time to seal the Texas borders. //

91 Targetpractice  Oct 12, 2014 4:43:03am

re: #90 wheat-dogghazi

Time to seal the Texas borders. //

Won’t be enough. Gotta nuke it from orbit, just to be sure.

//

92 freetoken  Oct 12, 2014 5:02:00am

re: #89 Varek Raith

You just know we are going to get a sea of derp over this.

I imagine babycakes crowing about, say, 100 times a hour on twitter.

The comments on the Fox News page are coming in about one a second:

foxnews.com

93 freetoken  Oct 12, 2014 5:03:09am

Here’s a typical comment:

outbama 2 minutes ago
THE TREE SWINGER IN THE WHITE HOUSE IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THIS

Yeah, what racism.

94 freetoken  Oct 12, 2014 5:05:26am

Teabonics:

AMG just now
Africa first spread the decease Obama

Now they are spreading the decease Obola

96 freetoken  Oct 12, 2014 5:10:05am

re: #95 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

The War on Drugs is a War on Americans.

97 Targetpractice  Oct 12, 2014 5:17:02am

re: #95 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

59-year-old Georgia man killed in no-knock raid, no drugs found

Why does the St. Louis PD keep changing their story about the killing of VonDerrit Myers?

We’re not talking minor differences in accounts either. Myers has gone from turning and firing, to getting into a struggle after jumping from behind a bush, to falling and shooting.

98 jamesfirecat  Oct 12, 2014 5:21:06am

re: #79 KiTA

Ugh. Reminded why I don’t engage with wingnuts. Again.

Walked in on the nutter and the senior tech talking. The nutter was ranting about how Obama caused the recent recession, and how it’s just gotten worse and worse these past few years.

You know, the recession that started during the Bush administration due to him starting 2 unpaid for wars and then giving a tax cut that cost more than both of them combined? The recession that most economists think is over already? (Granted, the average American is still screwed, but that’s mostly income inequality and not the same thing.)

I pointed out that the unemployment rate is down to 5.9 percent nationally, and that’s the best it’s been in a long while. That lead to me being told that I’m a sheep and I need to stop listening to “the media” and “the government.” Oh-kay? I guess I’ll get some tea leaves to read in order find out my information.

Then the senior tech googled it and pointed out that the numbers are actually pretty good and consistently getting better as the Obama administration pulls us out of the train wreck that the GOP left us in.

“No no, that’s a lie, I can’t believe this, what planet are you living on, the unemployment rate isn’t that good because people are just leaving the US to find work in Canada!”

And that’s when I remembered why I don’t bother with this shit. I could spend the next 4 hours researching the economy, the GDP, unemployment rates, Wallstreet, what have you, come to work tomorrow with 10 pages of cliffnotes, and I would encounter the following argument:

“LA LA LA LA I BELIEVE WHAT I BELIEVE AND YOUR FACTS DON’T COUNT BECAUSE I BELIEVE DIFFERENT LA LA LA AND YOURE A BIG DOODY HEAD FOR LISTENING TO PEOPLE THAT AREN’T THE PEOPLE I LISTEN TO LA LA LA.”

And that would be the entire argument. Me citing facts and data and research, him going “la la la you’re an idiot for listening to ‘scientists’ and I know I’m right because I listen to someone on AM radio la la la.”

And it’s always the exact same, be it economics, climate change, health care, religion, what have you — and it’s not just my local nutter, it’s all of them. It’s a religion with these types. They have their little cultlike view of how the world works, and any evidence to the contrary has to be discredited, destroyed, ignored, and suppressed. It’s not worth my time to engage directly.

However, I am glad that I’ve learned to pull a Biden — when he says something obviously wrong (“The biblical flood happened in 3000 BC and it’s because a comet from Jupiter came to Earth, stopped the Earth’s rotation for 3 days, the tail was water and rained for those 3 days and then it moved away to become Venus”), don’t try to refute it.

Just laugh. Laugh and point out that he’s wrong. (“Yeah, no, that didn’t happen. We’d all be dead. Conservation of rotational energy — the wind alone would strip the Earth clean, to say nothing about us going flying into space.”)

Our culture has this weird thing where everyone feels like they’re entitled to their opinion, and this entitlement has begun to extend to the facts that they choose to believe in. People don’t have that right. People only have the right to an opinion they can defend. And facts are not opinions.

Bah, this got really long. Feel better for getting it off my chest, though. Now, off to do laundry and play this “Terra Battle” game.

Hey I just started playing Terra Battle also! Combat system is interesting and the price is right if nothing else…

99 Lidane  Oct 12, 2014 5:21:27am

re: #92 freetoken

The freeper idiots are taking it well:

Just this morning, another little child died from the enterovirus.

Obama is responsible for all of the misery and death befalling America.

Unreal. Say what you will about 9/11, but it didn’t wake up this country one bit. That was Phase 1, we needed two more phases (or World Trade Center magnitude hits, in that case), and still haven’t gotten them.

With Ebola, it seems that the phases will be something like the following, as America discovers that big oceans don’t help when you have open borders:

Phase 1) OMG, you mean it’s able to infect people even when they’re outside of Africa? We’re safe.

Phase 2) OMG, you mean that it can be spread in America and that it doesn’t just affect those “black people” with strong accents? We’re safe, because I trust the president.

Phase 3) OMG, our government doesn’t know jack about how to deal with it and was TOTALLY UNPREPARED (as Ebola spreads here, pretty much unchecked)? Crap, DO SOMETHING, ANYTHING, to stop this!

We’re just entering Phase 2 now. If we don’t take some really strong action now, this country will be COMPLETELY LOCKED DOWN as we get into Phase 3.

“There are probably more ebola victims than they are admitting.”

Agree. The goal here is to keep it under wraps until after the election. Some cases will slip out, as these people are humans and they have families and families will talk to the media.

But we will pay a HUGE PRICE for the delay, and millions of people will be affected, if not every American, as we take the (presently unimaginable) steps needed to contain the outbreak.

Obama owns this mess.

Any rational person stops flights for a disease with no cure and (up to) a 21 day incubation period.

“Obama is responsible for all of the misery and death befalling America.”
The Usurper was illegally installed in office by the two major political parties. They and their supporters are responsible.

I am imagining Obama eulogizing at a funeral with a large number of caskets, trying to comfort the nation in his job at president, with everyone in the country fully aware that this funeral and the others like it were 100% preventable by him.

This can’t be. The Grand Poobah Obala said the chance of an outbreak was EXTREMELY LOW.

And so on.

100 freetoken  Oct 12, 2014 5:24:01am

re: #99 Lidane

The two industries - conspiracy looniness, and hate-talk - have converged in a noxious mixture over ebola.

101 Teukka  Oct 12, 2014 5:28:05am

re: #100 freetoken

The two industries - conspiracy looniness, and hate-talk - have converged in a noxious mixture over ebola.

Indeed. I’ve seen victims of the scam pop up everywhere :(

102 freetoken  Oct 12, 2014 5:34:03am

Local newspaper does its best to rehabilitate fired teacher Freshwater:

Dover man touts free speech, religious rights, academic freedoms

Would the Freshwaters do it over again?
Yes.

[…]

The author unfailingly champions Freshwater in his case. Not a hint of actual legal reporting.

103 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Oct 12, 2014 5:38:35am

re: #102 freetoken

Celebrating an ignorant, fanatically religious creep who wasted a huge sum of taxpayer $$$? Proceed…

104 Timothy Watson  Oct 12, 2014 5:38:35am

re: #102 freetoken

Local newspaper does its best to rehabilitate fired teacher Freshwater:

Dover man touts free speech, religious rights, academic freedoms

The author unfailingly champions Freshwater in his case. Not a hint of actual legal reporting.

Never expect much from a local newspaper and you’re never be disappointed.

105 Dark_Falcon  Oct 12, 2014 5:41:23am

re: #100 freetoken

The two industries - conspiracy looniness, and hate-talk - have converged in a noxious mixture over ebola.

They were united long ago, FT.

106 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Oct 12, 2014 5:48:43am

A teacher doesn’t have “academic freedom”, btw. He’s not a scientist or a researcher. His job is not to be somehow creative in interpretation of facts. The only creative freedom he has concerns the teaching methods.

A teacher doesn’t have “freedom of speech”. He’s not a politician or a journalist presenting his POV.

A teacher doesn’t have “religious freedom”, if by that one means preaching his worldview to the pupils.

107 wheat-dogghazi  Oct 12, 2014 5:54:23am

re: #106 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

A teacher has to follow his employer’s rules. One of those, for public school teachers, is the First Amendment and pertinent federal court rulings. Freshwater ignored all of those.

108 Dark_Falcon  Oct 12, 2014 5:56:50am

re: #106 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

A teacher doesn’t have “academic freedom”, btw. He’s not a scientist or a researcher. His job is not to be somehow creative in interpretation of facts. The only creative freedom he has concerns the teaching methods.

A teacher doesn’t have “freedom of speech”. He’s not a politician or a journalist presenting his POV.

A teacher doesn’t have “religious freedom”, if by that one means preaching his worldview to the pupils.

Teachers in the US do often have tenure, which is explained as protecting Academic Freedom. Is it your position that teachers below the college level should not have tenure?

109 Decatur Deb  Oct 12, 2014 6:00:00am

re: #106 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

re: #107 wheat-dogghazi

re: #108 Dark_Falcon

Let me see if I can Scopes this out…

110 NJDhockeyfan  Oct 12, 2014 6:04:18am

Now it’s getting serious…

111 PhillyPretzel  Oct 12, 2014 6:07:24am

re: #109 Decatur Deb

Also keep in mind that teachers in public schools must follow what the local school district or even the state requires for educational minimums. My late dad taught in the Philly schools and he had seniority, in his case system seniority. When he started to work in colleges he started to accrue tenure.

112 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Oct 12, 2014 6:08:47am

re: #108 Dark_Falcon

Teachers in the US do often have tenure, which is explained as protecting Academic Freedom. Is it your position that teachers below the college level should not have tenure?

A teacher - and we are talking about school teachers of course - doesn’t perform research in his capacity as a teacher. He may do this in his free time, and has academic freedom as an individual, but he may not present unapproved ideas in class.

Thus, teaching “arguments against evolution” in class (unless this is specified in the curriculum) is not an allowed “academic freedom”.

A teacher may, however, explore and publish such ideas in his free time. If he has a tenure, he cannot be punished for this extracurricular activity.

113 wheat-dogghazi  Oct 12, 2014 6:10:14am

re: #106 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

A teacher doesn’t have “academic freedom”, btw. He’s not a scientist or a researcher. His job is not to be somehow creative in interpretation of facts. The only creative freedom he has concerns the teaching methods.

re: #108 Dark_Falcon

Academic freedom, when applied to university faculty, means they are free from interference by their university in their research, publication, and within bounds set by their departments, teaching. The last part means they have to provide and teach a sensible syllabus, and not go off the rails with crazy shit.

The academic freedom of pre-college teachers is somewhat different, as most don’t do research or publication, but they should still expect freedom from interference by their employers. Because pre-college curricula in public school are more tightly regulated than college curricula, pre-college teachers have considerably less freedom in teaching their subjects. They have to hew to the state mandates.

If John Freshwater had not been teaching at a public school, he might have been able to get away with his Bible-based science teaching. But he wasn’t, and it’s clear he had not been following Ohio science standards for some time.

114 PhillyPretzel  Oct 12, 2014 6:10:30am

re: #112 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

You got it. Of course if said teacher does publish and it is read by said employer there may be a few problems.

115 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Oct 12, 2014 6:14:27am

re: #114 PhillyPretzel

It’s as comical as, say, a cop demanding “freedom of speech” in his official capacity. Nuh-uh. Doesn’t work this way.

116 wheat-dogghazi  Oct 12, 2014 6:16:40am

Putting it another way, Freshwater has the legal right to say whatever he wants, wherever he wants. He doesn’t have the right to keep his job if he violates the terms of his employment.

117 Decatur Deb  Oct 12, 2014 6:19:01am

re: #111 PhillyPretzel

Also keep in mind that teachers in public schools must follow what the local school district or even the state requires for educational minimums. My late dad taught in the Philly schools and he had seniority, in his case system seniority. When he started to work in colleges he started to accrue tenure.

Scopes was convicted. The perception in Alabama is that HS teachers are effectively tenured. That’s a consequence of a powerful teacher’s union. The protection is less real than imagined, but that’s OK too.

118 Alyosha  Oct 12, 2014 6:20:40am

I suppose this is both the best and worst time to propose universal health care in the US.

It may ensure that the many millions of people who ‘opted out’ or who otherwise have still not gained coverage are not left exposed to potential future epidemics causing the US to remain the weak link in developing nations, but

Who’s willing to bet that any suggestion at the Federal level that legislation be passed with this goal in mind will be opposed by the libertarian creatures and decried by their fellow tinfoil-helmed cretins as a conspiracy?
Jesus flipt a burning desk…

(Edited ever so slightly)

119 Eventual Carrion  Oct 12, 2014 6:20:44am

re: #106 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

[snip]

A teacher doesn’t have “freedom of speech”. He’s not a politician or a journalist presenting his POV.

A teacher doesn’t have “religious freedom”, if by that one means preaching his worldview to the pupils.

And that will be made abundantly clear the first teacher that gets up in front of the class and starts teaching about his lord and savior Satan.

120 freetoken  Oct 12, 2014 6:21:11am

New Jersey officials enforce isolation order for NBC crew exposed to Ebola patient

New Jersey officials have issued a mandatory quarantine order for members of an NBC crew that was exposed to a cameraman with Ebola.

The order went into effect Friday night after state health officials said a voluntary 21-day isolation agreement was violated.

[…]

Well, so much for voluntary cooperation.

121 Dark_Falcon  Oct 12, 2014 6:22:47am

re: #112 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

A teacher - and we are talking about school teachers of course - doesn’t perform research in his capacity as a teacher. He may do this in his free time, and has academic freedom as an individual, but he may not present unapproved ideas in class.

Thus, teaching “arguments against evolution” in class (unless this is specified in the curriculum) is not an allowed “academic freedom”.

A teacher may, however, explore and publish such ideas in his free time. If he has a tenure, he cannot be punished for this extracurricular activity.

That didn’t answer my question. I asked “Is it your position that teachers below the college level should not have tenure?”.

122 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Oct 12, 2014 6:23:48am

re: #117 Decatur Deb

Arthur Butz’s tenure allowed him to publish Holocaust denial volumes, and even place them on his Uni site (no longer there). But I assume the minute he mumbled something about denial in class, he would be out faster than the light in vacuum.

123 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Oct 12, 2014 6:24:52am

re: #121 Dark_Falcon

That didn’t answer my question. I asked “Is it your position that teachers below the college level should not have tenure?”.

Initially I said nothing on the topic of tenure, so I don’t need to answer your unrelated question.

124 Dark_Falcon  Oct 12, 2014 6:25:32am

re: #120 freetoken

New Jersey officials enforce isolation order for NBC crew exposed to Ebola patient

Well, so much for voluntary cooperation.

Sorry, but I don’t care. Hysteria aside, Ebola is simply too dangerous to take chances with.

125 Dark_Falcon  Oct 12, 2014 6:27:15am

re: #123 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

Initially I said nothing on the topic of tenure, so I don’t need to answer your unrelated question.

I don’t care for your tone, but I’m not going to pursue the matter further.

126 Decatur Deb  Oct 12, 2014 6:28:05am

re: #122 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

Arthur Butz’s tenure allowed him to publish Holocaust denial volumes, and even place them on his Uni site (no longer there). But I assume the minute he mumbled something about denial in class, he would be out faster than light in vacuum.

I would hope an academic reaction from his fellow teachers would keep his ideas from being accepted, but not keep them from being uttered. (“Hundred flowers blossom” and all that.) The howling mad conflict might draw student attention to something besides football.

127 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Oct 12, 2014 6:30:21am

re: #125 Dark_Falcon

I don’t care for your tone, but I’m not going to pursue the matter further.

Sorry, but when you completely ignore what I wrote, explaining why what you wrote is an unrelated issue, and simply restate your question, irritated tone is the best you can expect.

128 Pie-onist Overlord  Oct 12, 2014 6:30:59am

OH HAI.

Well I spent 3 days without Internet just enjoying my 3 grandchildren (and my son & daughter & their spouses). We ate and ate and ate and ate and then when we were too stuffed to eat any more, we ate pie.

THE PIE IS ALL EATED. My job here is done.

Now my son is complaining how messy the kitchen is. I showed him where the mop & bucket is.

129 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Oct 12, 2014 6:31:07am

re: #126 Decatur Deb

I would hope an academic reaction from his fellow academics would keep his ideas from being accepted, but not keep them from being uttered. (“Hundred flowers blossom” and all that.)

Not in class.

130 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Oct 12, 2014 6:32:17am

re: #128 Pie-onist Overlord

Bwahahaha. Poor Pie Jr. :D

131 Decatur Deb  Oct 12, 2014 6:33:28am

re: #129 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

Not in class.

Class is not sacred. One of mine met in a bar. I trust students to quality-control their professors—some of ours were obviously full of shit.

132 Alyosha  Oct 12, 2014 6:35:36am

re: #131 Decatur Deb

Class is not sacred. One of mine met in a bar. I trust students to quality-control their professors—some of ours were obviously full of shit.

Just like in that Kevin Sorbo documentary, ‘God is Not Dead’?

//

133 Decatur Deb  Oct 12, 2014 6:36:10am

re: #132 Alyosha

Just like in that Kevin Sorbo documentary, ‘God is Not Dead’?

//

Not familiar.

134 Decatur Deb  Oct 12, 2014 6:38:40am

re: #133 Decatur Deb

Not familiar.

(Google, Google)
Ah. “Hercules”. Do his students rebel or follow the script?

135 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Oct 12, 2014 6:39:57am

136 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Oct 12, 2014 6:40:21am

137 PhillyPretzel  Oct 12, 2014 6:40:25am

re: #134 Decatur Deb

They follow “Dead Poets Society.”

138 Alyosha  Oct 12, 2014 6:41:16am

re: #133 Decatur Deb

Not familiar.

Creationist wet-dream put to film. Apologetics trope that pits the fresh-eyed Christian freshman against his militantly-atheist, strawman, philosophy professor who states Nietzsche’s quote straight of the bat and expects the class to follow unquestioningly or else suffer punitive grading. A Jack Chick-esque ‘debate’ ensues and la la la, God wins.

139 Decatur Deb  Oct 12, 2014 6:43:00am

re: #138 Alyosha

Creationist wet-dream put to film. Apologetics trope that pits the fresh-eyed Christian freshman against his militantly-atheist, strawman, philosophy professor who states Nietzsche’s quote straight of the bat and expects the class to follow unquestioningly or else suffer punitive grading. A Jack Chick-esque ‘debate’ ensues and la la la, God wins.

I like Heloise and Abelard better—the hypocritical teacher gets castrated.

140 Eventual Carrion  Oct 12, 2014 6:44:04am

re: #137 PhillyPretzel

They follow “Dead Poets…”

Carpe diem, seize the fish!

141 PhillyPretzel  Oct 12, 2014 6:45:04am

re: #140 Eventual Carrion

Yes. lol

142 Pie-onist Overlord  Oct 12, 2014 6:45:16am

re: #138 Alyosha

Creationist wet-dream put to film. Apologetics trope that pits the fresh-eyed Christian freshman against his militantly-atheist, strawman, philosophy professor who states Nietzsche’s quote straight of the bat and expects the class to follow unquestioningly or else suffer punitive grading. A Jack Chick-esque ‘debate’ ensues and la la la, God wins.

Gish Gallops to Save The Day!

143 Decatur Deb  Oct 12, 2014 6:46:12am

re: #142 Pie-onist Overlord

Save that upding—I hit the wrong comment.

144 Alyosha  Oct 12, 2014 6:46:22am

re: #139 Decatur Deb

re: #142 Pie-onist Overlord

I have so much to Google tomorrow!

145 Mattand  Oct 12, 2014 6:48:57am

re: #79 KiTA

I’ve mentioned this before, but a born-again conservative I used to work with was complaining about the Girl Scouts fostering a lesbian agenda.

My response was basically to laugh at him. He did not take it well. I’m probably lucky I didn’t get reprimanded/fired that day, as this guy was fairly high up in the pecking order.

I never did ask him what the lesbian agenda was. The few lesbians I know just wanted to be treated like everyone else and be happy.

Horrors.

146 Decatur Deb  Oct 12, 2014 6:49:35am

re: #144 Alyosha

I have so much to Google tomorrow!

H&A is a relatively true story—they made a decent movie out of it, sexy for a bunch of monks and nuns.

imdb.com

147 sattv4u2  Oct 12, 2014 6:50:08am

re: #145 Mattand

The cookies,,,, they’re just to lure you in!!!

148 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Oct 12, 2014 6:52:09am

re: #145 Mattand

I’ve mentioned this before, but a born-again conservative I used to work with was complaining about the Girl Scouts fostering a lesbian agenda.

It is an article of Fundamentalist faith that homosexuals prey on young people and try to recruit them at a young age. Therefore organizations like the Boy or Girl scouts would be like fish in a barrel to them.

(Not to mention altar boys)

149 Pie-onist Overlord  Oct 12, 2014 7:01:13am

DA FUQ

150 Belafon  Oct 12, 2014 7:02:34am

re: #149 Pie-onist Overlord

Then why, if gay marriage is still illegal here in Texas, did out-of-wedlock births go up after Texas closed all of those Planned Parenthood clinics?

151 Decatur Deb  Oct 12, 2014 7:03:18am

re: #149 Pie-onist Overlord

DA FUQ

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Physiology fail or Sociology fail—you decide.

Off to politic at the flea market. BBL

152 sattv4u2  Oct 12, 2014 7:04:33am

re: #151 Decatur Deb

Physiology fail or Sociology fail—you decide.

Off to politic at the flea market. BBL

I didn’t know fleas were political!!

153 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Oct 12, 2014 7:05:22am

re: #149 Pie-onist Overlord

DA FUQ

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But Davis is criticized for saying something negative about this psycho.

154 Pie-onist Overlord  Oct 12, 2014 7:11:06am

re: #153 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

But Davis is criticized for saying something negative about this psycho.

Last week I saw two attack ads back to back.

Terri Lynn Land (Koch puppet) accusing Gary Peters of “crony capitalism” by supporting YOONYUNZ or something something

Gary Peters accusing Terri Lynn Land of “crony capitalism” because Kochs

The Kochs are using DARVO in their attack ads by accusing their opponents of “crony capitalism” when they in fact are the total masters of it

155 Dark_Falcon  Oct 12, 2014 7:14:45am

re: #154 Pie-onist Overlord

Last week I saw two attack ads back to back.

Terri Lynn Land (Koch puppet) accusing Gary Peters of “crony capitalism” by supporting YOONYUNZ or something something

Gary Peters accusing Terri Lynn Land of “crony capitalism” because Kochs

The Kochs are using DARVO in their attack ads by accusing their opponents of “crony capitalism” when they in fact are the total masters of it

That might not be a DARVO if Peters is in fact did what he’s accused of. And what is your proof Land is a “puppet”.

156 Romantic Heretic  Oct 12, 2014 7:16:55am

re: #79 KiTA

Our culture has this weird thing where everyone feels like they’re entitled to their opinion, and this entitlement has begun to extend to the facts that they choose to believe in. People don’t have that right. People only have the right to an opinion they can defend. And facts are not opinions.

Isaac Asimov summed this phenomena up nicely.

157 ObserverArt  Oct 12, 2014 7:16:58am

Morning all. Just a quick drive-by to catch up on things.

I missed much of yesterday’s posting, especially Dark’s posts about Wendy Davis. Glad I did really. Once again a very sad display of Republican over reality.

Well…good weather today…may be one of the last really warm Ohio days yet this fall and I am getting some varnish on my newly stripped, sanded and stained front entrance door and surround. So, out to sand the coat I got on yesterday to hit it with another coating hopefully before the Browns and Steelers game.

Dark…you gotta watch all that blind following of a political party. It seems sometimes reality gets missed for party boosterism. Dangerous territory.

Later on all…

Oh yeah… SHUT UPChuck!

158 Pie-onist Overlord  Oct 12, 2014 7:27:55am

re: #155 Dark_Falcon

That might not be a DARVO if Peters is in fact did what he’s accused of. And what is your proof Land is a “puppet”.

The accusation against Peters is that he “unionized” the Michigan lottery and that makes him a “crony capitalist” as if that even makes any sense

Terri Lynn Land is the chosen favorite of the Kochs and no one has ever denied this.

159 Ryan King  Oct 12, 2014 7:30:13am

re: #145 Mattand

I for one welcome our new Lesbian Overlords.

160 sattv4u2  Oct 12, 2014 7:35:21am

re: #159 Ryan King

I for one welcome our new Lesbian Overlords.

I’m a Lesbian Landlord, does that count??

((wonderful couple rents a floor in a three-decker I own in Massachusetts)

161 PhillyPretzel  Oct 12, 2014 7:42:19am

re: #159 Ryan King

re: #160 sattv4u2

What folks do in the privacy of their house/apartment is their own business.

162 sattv4u2  Oct 12, 2014 7:45:17am

re: #161 PhillyPretzel

What folks do in the privacy of their house/apartment is their own business.

Well

I did have to nix their plans of knocking out a wall between the kitchen/ dining area. They wanted an “open” concept. Would have been aesthetically nice,,, CEPT,,,, , it’s a load bearing wall!!! (and they are on the 2nd floor of a triple decker)

163 Dark_Falcon  Oct 12, 2014 7:46:20am

re: #158 Pie-onist Overlord

The accusation against Peters is that he “unionized” the Michigan lottery and that makes him a “crony capitalist” as if that even makes any sense

Terri Lynn Land is the chosen favorite of the Kochs and no one has ever denied this.

‘Chosen favorite’ doesn’t equal ‘puppet’, though.

164 Ryan King  Oct 12, 2014 7:46:50am

re: #161 PhillyPretzel

What folks do or don’t do in the privacy of their house/apartment is their own business.

There, a little better.

I was mocking somebody ranting about a Lesbian Agenda. Whatever it is, I’m all for it.

165 PhillyPretzel  Oct 12, 2014 7:47:18am

re: #162 sattv4u2

Okay. There should be a “load bearing wall exception.” One cannot compromise the structure of a building.

166 PhillyPretzel  Oct 12, 2014 7:47:53am

re: #164 Ryan King

That is okay. :)

167 sattv4u2  Oct 12, 2014 7:48:39am

re: #165 PhillyPretzel

Okay. There should be a “load bearing wall exception.” One cannot compromise the structure of a building.

Yeah. It could have been done but at great expense.

168 Ryan King  Oct 12, 2014 7:54:10am

Somebody removed the load bearing posts to this thread.

169 Targetpractice  Oct 12, 2014 7:55:32am

re: #168 Ryan King

Somebody removed the load bearing posts to this thread.

Wait…those were important?

Uh-oh…

170 Pie-onist Overlord  Oct 12, 2014 7:58:24am

No Janie, the reason I don’t like your Tweets is because you are a hateful bigot full of White Privilege

171 Pie-onist Overlord  Oct 12, 2014 7:59:10am

re: #163 Dark_Falcon

‘Chosen favorite’ doesn’t equal ‘puppet’, though.

In most cases it does, when it comes to the Kochs.

172 Targetpractice  Oct 12, 2014 8:01:36am

re: #170 Pie-onist Overlord

No Janie, the reason I don’t like your Tweets is because you are a hateful bigot full of White Privilege

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If I’m progressing away from free market capitalism, it’s because it’s as rigged as a game of Three Card Monte.

173 Feline Fearless Leader  Oct 12, 2014 8:02:12am

re: #172 Targetpractice

If I’m progressing away from free market capitalism, it’s because it’s as rigged as a game of Three Card Monte.

But they’re just following their version of The Golden Rule.
/

174 Dark_Falcon  Oct 12, 2014 8:03:17am

re: #170 Pie-onist Overlord

No Janie, the reason I don’t like your Tweets is because you are a hateful bigot full of White Privilege

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She also retweeted this next exchange, which is chock full of Obama Derangement Syndrome (ODS):

175 Targetpractice  Oct 12, 2014 8:03:51am

I note too often that supporters of “free market capitalism” fall into one of two groups: Those who’ve “got theirs” and those think the former will give them “theirs” if they kiss enough ass.

176 Pie-onist Overlord  Oct 12, 2014 8:05:12am

Janie has NEVER HAD A JOB which qualifies her to make all these grandiose pronouncements about “Free Market” and “bootstraps” and “Poors are lazy moochers!”

177 Pie-onist Overlord  Oct 12, 2014 8:05:59am

She calls herself an “author” when her 2 self-published books are:
1) Based on a Verizon commercial
2) A collection of her Tweets

178 WhatEVs  Oct 12, 2014 8:06:02am

Dallas health worker followed ‘full CDC precautions’ with Ebola patient
A Texas Health Presbyterian Hospital worker who tested positive for Ebola in a preliminary test treated Thomas Eric Duncan after his second visit to the ER, on Sept. 28. The health worker was “following full CDC precautions,” including wearing a gown, gloves, a mask and a protective face shield.

Health officials have begun the contact tracing process to identify and check in with anybody who recently made contact with the health-care worker. Those people “will be monitored based on the nature of their interactions and the potential they were exposed to the virus,” the state’s Department of Health Services said.

washingtonpost.com

179 allegro  Oct 12, 2014 8:06:12am

re: #174 Dark_Falcon

She also retweeted this next exchange, which is chock full of Obama Derangement Syndrome (ODS):

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Because trucking in a bunch o’ weaponry for our ME “allies” du jour has worked so well in the past.

180 Timothy Watson  Oct 12, 2014 8:06:21am

re: #175 Targetpractice

I note too often that supporters of “free market capitalism” fall into one of two groups: Those who’ve “got theirs” and those think the former will give them “theirs” if they kiss enough ass.

There’s a third overarching group of people who claim that Obama is destroying “free-market capitalism” or whatever: Those who never took an economics class in their life.

181 Timothy Watson  Oct 12, 2014 8:07:48am

re: #174 Dark_Falcon

She also retweeted this next exchange, which is chock full of Obama Derangement Syndrome (ODS):

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Uh…and whose border is he going to go through to get this “transport” to the Kurds?

182 Pie-onist Overlord  Oct 12, 2014 8:07:49am

Every time I use my laptop all my Tweetdeck settings get messed up & I start seeing people that I blocked.

183 allegro  Oct 12, 2014 8:08:32am

re: #180 Timothy Watson

There’s a third overarching group of people who claim that Obama is destroying “free-market capitalism” or whatever: Those who never took an economics class in their life.

The ones who still buy into the RW Golden Shower con of economics.

184 sagehen  Oct 12, 2014 8:09:32am

re: #180 Timothy Watson

There’s a third overarching group of people who claim that Obama is destroying “free-market capitalism” or whatever: Those who never took an economics class in their life.

Or they did take an econ class, but it was taught by a Straussian. Their textbooks endorsed lying to the masses to talk them into a policy agenda they’d never support if they understood, distracting them with culture war — it is a deliberate, endorsed straussian principle.

185 Targetpractice  Oct 12, 2014 8:09:41am

re: #178 WhatEVs

Dallas health worker followed ‘full CDC precautions’ with Ebola patient
A Texas Health Presbyterian Hospital worker who tested positive for Ebola in a preliminary test treated Thomas Eric Duncan after his second visit to the ER, on Sept. 28. The health worker was “following full CDC precautions,” including wearing a gown, gloves, a mask and a protective face shield.

Health officials have begun the contact tracing process to identify and check in with anybody who recently made contact with the health-care worker. Those people “will be monitored based on the nature of their interactions and the potential they were exposed to the virus,” the state’s Department of Health Services said.

washingtonpost.com

Is this like how they claimed that a computer error was why his answering yes to the question of whether he’d been to West Africa or been in contact with someone who had didn’t get relayed to the doctor?

186 Ryan King  Oct 12, 2014 8:10:49am
187 WhatEVs  Oct 12, 2014 8:12:51am

re: #185 Targetpractice

Is this like how they claimed that a computer error was why his answering yes to the question of whether he’d been to West Africa or been in contact with someone who had didn’t get relayed to the doctor?

Could be. No one wants to admit to screwing up.

This is going to scare lots of people. They’re already scared as it is. And CCJs going to have a field day.

188 Dark_Falcon  Oct 12, 2014 8:15:22am

re: #181 Timothy Watson

Uh…and whose border is he going to go through to get this “transport” to the Kurds?

I think he expects it to go in by CH-47 Chinook helicopter, which both the UK and US have in the region. What that wingnut fails to mention is that ISIS is liable object to such a resupply mission rather forcefully:

The Islamic State branch in Iraq’s Salah-al-Din province has released images showing a militant firing a Chinese FN-6 man-portable air-defence system (MANPADS) at an Iraqi Army helicopter near the town of Bayji.

This is the first evidence that FN-6 MANPADS, which has been supplied to some Syrian insurgent groups, allegedly with Qatari assistance, are being used either by Islamic State or in Iraq.

The first of the images, which appear to be a sequence of stills taken from as yet unreleased video footage, shows a militant with an FN-6 and what appears to be an Mi-17 helicopter. However, one of the subsequent images clearly show wreckage from an Mi-35M, including its under-nose turret with twin 23 mm guns and a rack of four 9M114/9M120 guided missiles.

The Iraqi Ministry of Defence (MoD) confirmed that an Mi-35M was shot down near Bayji in Salah-al-Din province on 3 October. Iraqi officials said a shoulder-fired missile brought down a Bell 407 in the same area on 8 October. The Iraqi Army Aviation Command (IAAC) flies armed scout versions of the Bell 407 that are known as IA-407s.

One of the IS images shows the contrail of a missile that has changed its flight path as it homes in on its target.

This apparent confirmation of the successful use of MANPADS raises questions about the effectiveness of the countermeasures on Iraq’s Mi-35Ms, all of which have been delivered from Russia in the past year. The countermeasures include the Adron KT-01 AVE Adros infrared jamming system and flare dispensers.

189 Targetpractice  Oct 12, 2014 8:15:40am

re: #187 WhatEVs

Could be. No one wants to admit to screwing up.

This is going to scare lots of people. They’re already scared as it is. And CCJs going to have a field day.

It’s CYA, hospital scared shitless of lawyers sniffing around, looking to make bank holding the hospital liable for her carelessness. And that’s what I strongly suspect is the case here, that she was careless, possibly as simple and innocent as unconsciously wiping her brow after coming contact with Duncan, as that’s been suggested as the reason for other Americans falling ill so far.

190 wheat-dogghazi  Oct 12, 2014 8:17:12am

re: #188 Dark_Falcon

But in the movies, the bad guys never see the good guys sneaking in, and when they do, their shots always miss!
//

191 allegro  Oct 12, 2014 8:19:27am

re: #187 WhatEVs

Could be. No one wants to admit to screwing up.

This is going to scare lots of people. They’re already scared as it is. And CCJs going to have a field day.

Not admitting to a screw up, however, will add considerably to the panic. That’s what made me groan when I first heard about it this morning. Steps can be taken to prevent such errors in the future - there is a learning curve involved - but to claim that everything that could possibly be done was correctly done and STILL the disease got through. OMG panic!

192 Timothy Watson  Oct 12, 2014 8:20:53am

re: #184 sagehen

Or they did take an econ class, but it was taught by a Straussian. Their textbooks endorsed lying to the masses to talk them into a policy agenda they’d never support if they understood, distracting them with culture war — it is a deliberate, endorsed straussian principle.

Or the Austrian schoolers who say that ‘data can’t disprove our theories’.

193 Targetpractice  Oct 12, 2014 8:21:52am

Of course, it may be the hospital worker who’s insisting that all the necessary precautions were taken and protocol followed to the letter, if only because she’s scared shitless of being fired for negligence.

194 allegro  Oct 12, 2014 8:23:21am

re: #193 Targetpractice

Of course, it may be the hospital worker who’s insisting that all the necessary precautions were taken and protocol followed to the letter, if only because she’s scared shitless of being fired for negligence.

I suspect at this moment she’s pretty freaked about her more immediate future… and whether she has one.

195 Dark_Falcon  Oct 12, 2014 8:24:18am

re: #189 Targetpractice

It’s CYA, hospital scared shitless of lawyers sniffing around, looking to make bank holding the hospital liable for her carelessness. And that’s what I strongly suspect is the case here, that she was careless, possibly as simple and innocent as unconsciously wiping her brow after coming contact with Duncan, as that’s been suggested as the reason for other Americans falling ill so far.

You can scarcely fault the hospital for trying CYA, given its legal exposure, but CYA is going to get people killed.

I don’t like saying this, but it is my opinion that Ebola is a grave enough crisis that the Federal government needs to step in for cases like this and ensure the hospitals against lawsuits in some way in exchange for the hospitals not trying to cover up Ebola-related mistakes.

I realize that my proposal would get me labeled as a RINO by some Texas Republicans, but I maintain that the Founders intended the Federal government to have emergency powers for use in an epidemic and it is time some of those powers were put to use. I do not like those powers being used, but neither did FDR like using emergency powers during WWII. He did what he had to do and I would urge Barack Obama to do likewise.

196 Dark_Falcon  Oct 12, 2014 8:30:30am

re: #190 wheat-dogghazi

But in the movies, the bad guys never see the good guys sneaking in, and when they do, their shots always miss!
//

In real life, sending transports against prepared air defenses results in transports getting shot down. We’d need bases closer to Korbani to send in escorting gunships, and unless we can send escorts to perform Destruction of Enemy Air Defenses (DEAD, this is the new acronym from the USAF) AKA ‘Wild Weasel’ Missions we can;t risk our CH-47s. At minimum we’d need permission from Turkey to stage out of their territory and that permission has not been forthcoming.

Updings welcome.

197 BlueSpotinAL  Oct 12, 2014 8:32:37am

The CDC is not in the CYA business. They will find out what happened (failure to follow protocol exactly is 99% likely), and the hospital will make it clear to all employees there would be no punishment.

198 Sionainn  Oct 12, 2014 8:40:46am

re: #108 Dark_Falcon

Teachers in the US do often have tenure, which is explained as protecting Academic Freedom. Is it your position that teachers below the college level should not have tenure?

I don’t think you understand what “tenure” means. In elementary, middle, and high school, “tenure” means that you passed your probation period. That’s all it means. It does not mean that you can never be fired. All it takes to get fired is the administration following the guidelines by documenting and following the progressive discipline for infractions (just as it is in any large private company) and the teacher can be fired.

199 Dark_Falcon  Oct 12, 2014 8:45:32am

re: #198 Sionainn

I said I wasn’t going to pursue the matter further and I won’t.

200 Rightwingconspirator  Oct 12, 2014 8:46:45am

Happy Sunday lizardim!

re: #198 Sionainn

Take a look sometime at the scandals out of LAUSD, and how hard it is given the “due” process called for in union contract. Reform needed. My source? The head of LAUSD via The Daily Breeze

Los Angeles Unified School District Superintendent John Deasy has said there are about 350 teachers in his school system that, if given the chance, he’d fire immediately, but can’t because the administrative process for dealing with the cases is too cumbersome.

Deasy shared what he considers three egregious examples:

• A disabled special-education high school teacher who was fired by the school board in 2003 for allegedly groping students and teacher aides. Even though the state Commission on Professional Competence concluded the teacher might have sexually harassed people, it decided he should not be fired. After seven years of appeals, the district was granted permission to fire him in 2009. The district spent $1.7 million on the case.

• A fifth-grade teacher who was accused of helping students cheat on standardized tests. After listening to the testimony of several students, a state review panel in May 2013 found that the teacher did cheat, but nonetheless ordered him reinstated. The panel’s finding was overturned in Los Angeles Superior Court; it is pending on appeal. The district has spent $250,000 on the 4-year-old case.

201 Sionainn  Oct 12, 2014 8:51:39am

re: #199 Dark_Falcon

I said I wasn’t going to pursue the matter further and I won’t.

Yeah, I saw that after I posted my comment as I was reading them in order. If you don’t care to learn something, that’s on you.

202 Sionainn  Oct 12, 2014 8:52:45am

re: #200 Rightwingconspirator

Happy Sunday lizardim!

Take a look sometime at the scandals out of LAUSD, and how hard it is given the “due” process called for in union contract. Reform needed. My source? The head of LAUSD via The Daily Breeze

That shit doesn’t happen in my school district, and while we are not as large as LAUSD, we are one of the largest in the country.

203 ausador  Oct 12, 2014 8:57:00am

re: #193 Targetpractice

Of course, it may be the hospital worker who’s insisting that all the necessary precautions were taken and protocol followed to the letter, if only because she’s scared shitless of being fired for negligence.

CDC director says the obvious, breach in protocol, most likely when removing protective gear.

204 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Oct 12, 2014 8:57:56am

re: #202 Sionainn

That shit doesn’t happen in my school district, and while we are not as large as LAUSD, we are one of the largest in the country.

I read stories about a special room for teachers in NYC who are suspended and cannot teach but still cannot be fired. They are required to jut show up and sit there all day so they cannot go moonlighting, at least during daylight hours…

205 Sionainn  Oct 12, 2014 8:59:10am

re: #204 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

I read stories about a special room for teachers in NYC who are suspended and cannot teach but still cannot be fired. They are required to jut show up and sit there all day so they cannot go moonlighting, at least during daylight hours…

Sounds like the legislature needs to get involved.

206 Dark_Falcon  Oct 12, 2014 9:00:10am

re: #201 Sionainn

Yeah, I saw that after I posted my comment as I was reading them in order. If you don’t care to learn something, that’s on you.

It’s more about not getting in trouble. Sorry, but after the past few days I’m not in a position to risk offending people this morning, and people here have been hostile to my positions on teacher unions and teacher tenure in the past. So I’ll let RWC take the lead on this one and I’ll just make sure I stay inoffensive.

207 danarchy  Oct 12, 2014 9:01:12am

re: #204 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

I read stories about a special room for teachers in NYC who are suspended and cannot teach but still cannot be fired. They are required to jut show up and sit there all day so they cannot go moonlighting, at least during daylight hours…

Yeah just google “rubber room new york”

208 Sionainn  Oct 12, 2014 9:03:38am
209 Dark_Falcon  Oct 12, 2014 9:04:14am

re: #204 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

I read stories about a special room for teachers in NYC who are suspended and cannot teach but still cannot be fired. They are required to jut show up and sit there all day so they cannot go moonlighting, at least during daylight hours…

That actually got resolved in the latter years of Michael Bloomberg’s mayorality, as the city hired more people with duties including the hearing boards for teachers.

The so-called ‘Rubber Rooms’ still exist, but those in them now wait only 3-6 months (it used to take years for the hearing to take place).

As an aside, the ‘Rubber Rooms’ formed a key part of the plot for the final episode of Law & Order.

210 Sionainn  Oct 12, 2014 9:05:47am

Based on my link, it appears in New York that those cases people are referring to may have to do with a hearings officer having the power to keep them employed, but away from children. That could be easily fixed.

211 Sionainn  Oct 12, 2014 9:06:50am

re: #206 Dark_Falcon

It’s more about not getting in trouble. Sorry, but after the past few days I’m not in a position to risk offending people this morning, and people here have been hostile to my positions on teacher unions and teacher tenure in the past. So I’ll let RWC take the lead on this one and I’ll just make sure I stay inoffensive.

Yet you then comment about it after this post. You make no sense to me, DF.

212 Dark_Falcon  Oct 12, 2014 9:08:39am

Speaking of schools, here’s a serious bit of DERPitude out of Mobile, Alabama. Unlike many such DERPs, it is not religious in nature:

School Has Child Sign ‘Safety Contract’

A Mobile mother is not happy about a controversial Mobile County School contract her daughter signed without her consent. The contract promises that her daughter will not kill or injure herself and others.

Rebecca is angry.

“This isn’t right. She’s 5-years-old,” said Rebecca.

Rebecca did not want Local 15 News to use her last name. She said E R Dickson school officials crossed the line when they had her daughter sign a Mobile County Public Safety Contract without her being present.

Rebecca said, “Most of these words on here, she’s never heard in her life.”

School officials told Rebecca they had to send Elizabeth home after an incident in class.

“They told me she drew something that resembled a gun,” said Rebecca. “According to them she pointed a crayon at another student and said, ‘pew pew,” said Rebecca.

213 Dark_Falcon  Oct 12, 2014 9:11:54am

re: #211 Sionainn

Yet you then comment about it after this post. You make no sense to me, DF.

I felt the need to explain myself, but I was unable to do so concisely because I have an obsessive need to explain everything.

214 Sionainn  Oct 12, 2014 9:13:58am

re: #213 Dark_Falcon

I felt the need to explain myself, but I was unable to do so concisely because I have an obsessive need to explain everything.

I’m out. Got to clean my house.

215 ausador  Oct 12, 2014 9:14:13am

Wonkette…

216 Timothy Watson  Oct 12, 2014 9:15:48am

re: #212 Dark_Falcon

Speaking of schools, here’s a serious bit of DERPitude out of Mobile, Alabama. Unlike many such DERPs, it is not religious in nature:

School Has Child Sign ‘Safety Contract’

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Whoever that school district’s attorney is apparently failed contract law.

217 Dark_Falcon  Oct 12, 2014 9:26:47am

re: #216 Timothy Watson

Whoever that school district’s attorney is apparently failed contract law.

So it would seem. Frankly, I put that one in the “Obvious Overreaction Is Obvious” file.

218 Rightwingconspirator  Oct 12, 2014 9:28:09am

re: #202 Sionainn

Glad to hear that, this is an instance of “all politics is local’ no? One day LA will clean house, break that monstrosity up into manageable sizes.

219 Targetpractice  Oct 12, 2014 9:28:51am

re: #217 Dark_Falcon

So it would seem. Frankly, I put that one in the “Obvious Overreaction Is Obvious” file.

Yet consider one of the first things asked after every school shooting is “Why didn’t the school do anything about the ‘weird’ kid?!”

220 ausador  Oct 12, 2014 9:31:30am

re: #219 Targetpractice

Yet consider one of the first things asked after every school shooting is “Why didn’t the school do anything about the ‘weird’ kid?!”

I think a 5 year old pointing a crayon at someone and making “pew, pew” noises is pretty normal actually.

221 Rightwingconspirator  Oct 12, 2014 9:31:48am

Perspective.. The LA Times did a piece this morning that inspired me to link some old Pages about Occupy LA. What is the legacy? The author at the Times makes some excellent points. Paged.

222 FemNaziBitch  Oct 12, 2014 9:34:10am

SNL 39 cents a day:
Youtube Video

223 Dark_Falcon  Oct 12, 2014 9:35:16am

re: #219 Targetpractice

Yet consider one of the first things asked after every school shooting is “Why didn’t the school do anything about the ‘weird’ kid?!”

True, but the reaction ought to be sane and functional, should it not? Forcing a 5-year old child to sign a contract for drawing a picture of a gun and saying “pew, pew” is the height of legalism gone amuck.

224 ausador  Oct 12, 2014 9:35:46am

Very long and sciency article with all kinds of references, statistics, and links to dozens of other articles and studies, quite a read.

Climate change, Benghazi, the Fed: The science behind the right’s irrational obsession with conspiracies

225 dholmes32  Oct 12, 2014 9:41:13am

re: #145 Mattand

I’ve mentioned this before, but a born-again conservative I used to work with was complaining about the Girl Scouts fostering a lesbian agenda.

My response was basically to laugh at him. He did not take it well. I’m probably lucky I didn’t get reprimanded/fired that day, as this guy was fairly high up in the pecking order.

I never did ask him what the lesbian agenda was. The few lesbians I know just wanted to be treated like everyone else and be happy.

Horrors.

About a decade ago, I upset a coworker by telling her the last Left Behind book (“Glorious Appearing”) was a horror show of evil and brutality on the part of “Jesus.” I did get a talking-to by one of the managers and told to basically keep my lip zipped. Which I’ve done. But I’m not sorry I said what I did.

226 Targetpractice  Oct 12, 2014 9:41:57am

re: #223 Dark_Falcon

True, but the reaction ought to be sane and functional, should it not? Forcing a 5-year old child to sign a contract for drawing a picture of a gun and saying “pew, pew” is the height of legalism gone amuck.

Dark, you and I know that tort law thrives on the idea of “warning signs” going ignored. A significant enough loss of life can make a child playing with a crayon into the next Adam Lanza.

227 Dark_Falcon  Oct 12, 2014 9:46:23am

re: #226 Targetpractice

Dark, you and I know that tort law thrives on the idea of “warning signs” going ignored. A significant enough loss of life can make a child playing with a crayon into the next Adam Lanza.

I’m not saying ‘Do Nothing’, I’m saying ‘Do something productive.’ Because having a 5-year old sign a contract that is voided by her age isn’t going to impress a judge with your diligence.

228 Targetpractice  Oct 12, 2014 9:48:19am

re: #227 Dark_Falcon

I’m not saying ‘Do Nothing’, I’m saying ‘Do something productive.’ Because having a 5-year old sign a contract that is voided by her age isn’t going to impress a judge with your diligence.

It’s sufficient to prove to a judge that the school acknowledged the issue and addressed it. Doing something productive might be teaching children about the dangers of guns, and I don’t live under any illusion that that would go over any better than this has.

229 Dark_Falcon  Oct 12, 2014 9:51:07am

re: #224 ausador

Very long and sciency article with all kinds of references, statistics, and links to dozens of other articles and studies, quite a read.

Climate change, Benghazi, the Fed: The science behind the right’s irrational obsession with conspiracies

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You just said the magic word, so its time for another of “Dark_Falcon’s articles featuring the word ‘Benghazi’ that are actually about Benghazi”:

The Derna-based Shura Council of Islamic Youth (SCIY) held a seminar on 5 October at which it declared its allegiance to the Islamic State’s ‘caliphate’ and called upon all Libyans to reject the “blasphemous principles of the [democratic] State”.

The SCIY is a militant Islamist militia established in April 2014 in Derna from the merger of the Army of the Islamic State of Libya and the Derna branch of Ansar al-Sharia. Ansar al-Sharia branches in Derna, Benghazi and Sirte share an almost identical ideology with Islamic State. In contrast, Tripoli-based Islamist groups probably aspire to control Libya’s oil exports, and some disagree with the Islamic State ideologically, while others are probably concerned that overtly supporting the Islamic State would lead to international sanctions being imposed on them.

The SCIY’s decision to join the caliphate is probably an attempt to obtain religious credibility as well as funding and military tactical assistance from Islamic State, as the group is still battling against its rival Islamist militia, the Abu Salim Martyrs’ Brigade (ABSM), to secure full control of Derna. According to social media sources, a group of Libyan fighters who were members of Islamic State in Syria returned to Derna ahead of SCIY’s pledge of allegiance. Social media sources also reported that the group would nominate an emir in the next few days to govern over the newest wilaiya (province) of the caliphate. Local media have also reported that Ansar al-Sharia in Benghazi would soon announce its support for Islamic State, with the group likely to wait until Islamists have secured full control of the city from General Khalifa Haftar’s Operation Dignity forces.

230 Dark_Falcon  Oct 12, 2014 9:52:28am

re: #228 Targetpractice

It’s sufficient to prove to a judge that the school acknowledged the issue and addressed it. Doing something productive might be teaching children about the dangers of guns, and I don’t live under any illusion that that would go over any better than this has.

Well, the NRA does have the Eddie Eagle program, so they might try that.

231 Rightwingconspirator  Oct 12, 2014 9:54:07am

re: #228 Targetpractice

Maybe so, but I think the kid is getting the wrong message from the contract. I.E. these people are scary, stupid and I’m being coerced into something I do not really understand”. At best they learn how badly they can be misunderstood and punished anyway.

It teaches adults & children alike that a surfeit of useless actions are window dressing over a far more intractable problem. A point that reflects why we learn to question and doubt authority quite early on.

232 Rightwingconspirator  Oct 12, 2014 9:55:30am

re: #230 Dark_Falcon

Well, the NRA does have the Eddie Eagle program, so they might try that.

ILA & HCI have made sure that Eddie Eagle is unwelcome almost everywhere in schools.

233 Dark_Falcon  Oct 12, 2014 9:58:02am

re: #231 Rightwingconspirator

Maybe so, but I think the kid is getting the wrong message from the contract. I.E. these people are scary, stupid and I’m being coerced into something I do not really understand”. At best they learn how badly they can be misunderstood and punished anyway.

It teaches adults & children alike that a surfeit of useless actions are window dressing over a far more intractable problem. A point that reflects why we learn to question and doubt authority quite early on.

Very True.

BBL

234 FemNaziBitch  Oct 12, 2014 10:00:31am
235 FemNaziBitch  Oct 12, 2014 10:03:03am

I’ve scanned the thread, but missed the reference. Did anyone delve into the context in which the child drew the firearm?

Is it a cry for help? Did social services get involved —counseling session for the child to explain why such images upset adults?

Or did they just decide to “punish” the child.

236 FemNaziBitch  Oct 12, 2014 10:04:04am

re: #232 Rightwingconspirator

ILA & HCI have made sure that Eddie Eagle is unwelcome almost everywhere in schools.

Which is sad because Eddie Eagle is a good program, at least as I remember it.

We educate our children about drugs and stranger danger, but not what to do if they see a firearm.

237 FemNaziBitch  Oct 12, 2014 10:11:28am

238 Rightwingconspirator  Oct 12, 2014 10:13:25am

re: #236 FemNaziBitch

Which is sad because Eddie Eagle is a good program, at least as I remember it.

We educate our children about drugs and stranger danger, but not what to do if they see a firearm.

At this point nothing is welcome from the NRA. Almost nobody recognizes the different mission between NRA training and ILA politics. Eddie Eagle is misrepresented as promoting guns. Anger overcomes a realistic perspective. looking at you Wayne…. That’s your doing.

239 FemNaziBitch  Oct 12, 2014 10:15:10am

240 FemNaziBitch  Oct 12, 2014 10:15:57am

re: #238 Rightwingconspirator

At this point nothing is welcome from the NRA. Almost nobody recognizes the different mission between NRA training and ILA politics. Eddie Eagle is misrepresented as promoting guns. Anger overcomes a realistic perspective. looking at you Wayne…. That’s your doing.

NO excuse for law enforcment or advocacy groups not coming up with their own program with the same message.

241 Rightwingconspirator  Oct 12, 2014 10:16:08am

re: #235 FemNaziBitch

Next up-Kid goes camping, fishing, visits a shooting range on a big family summer vacation. Goes to school and discovers he gets suspended for drawing a picture for class of the .22 rifle he got to shoot, but the image of a dead fish and a fishing pole is fine.

242 FemNaziBitch  Oct 12, 2014 10:16:56am

re: #240 FemNaziBitch

NO excuse for law enforcment or advocacy groups not coming up with their own program with the same message.

Again, I get pissed when people won’t do the obvious —prevent kids from dying from firearm misuse.

simple education —like a video teaching the basics —stop, don’t touch, leave the area, tell an adult —would save lives.

243 Romantic Heretic  Oct 12, 2014 10:19:01am

re: #173 Feline Fearless Leader

But they’re just following their version of The Golden Rule.
/

Him that has the gold makes the rules.

244 FemNaziBitch  Oct 12, 2014 10:19:12am
245 Rightwingconspirator  Oct 12, 2014 10:19:18am

re: #240 FemNaziBitch

There are lots of them, many with a message that is both pro gun safety and anti gun even in the sporting context. After all after one quite young absorbs the school lessons about guns how weird will a family trip to the range or (scandalous!!) a little sustenance hunting seem? My suggestion for a pro sporting & safety organization is the National Sports Shooting Foundation.

246 Targetpractice  Oct 12, 2014 10:19:33am

Here’s a thought. How about, to make all sides happy, we have parents sign waivers at the beginning of each school year saying they will not hold the school liable if their child ends up the victim of a shooting on campus. Thus the school is under no pressure to take such steps to shield itself from future liability.

247 jaunte  Oct 12, 2014 10:19:35am

re: #242 FemNaziBitch

One problem with the program:

US National Library of Medicine National Institutes of Health:

RESULTS:
Both programs were effective for teaching children to reproduce verbally the gun-safety message. The behavioral skills training program but not the Eddie Eagle GunSafe Program was effective for teaching children to perform gun-safety skills during a supervised role play, but the skills were not used when the children were assessed via real-life (in situ) assessments.

CONCLUSIONS:
Existing programs are insufficient for teaching gun-safety skills to children. Programs that use active learning strategies (modeling, rehearsal, and feedback) are more effective for teaching gun-safety skills as assessed by supervised role plays but still failed to teach the children to use the skills outside the context of the training session. More research is needed to determine the most effective way to promote the use of the skills outside the training session.
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

248 Rightwingconspirator  Oct 12, 2014 10:20:57am

re: #246 Targetpractice

OTOH we could have a rational look at safety instead of this zero tolerance psych out.

249 De Kolta Chair  Oct 12, 2014 10:21:40am


She’s got good reason to be furious.

250 Rightwingconspirator  Oct 12, 2014 10:22:40am

re: #247 jaunte

One problem with the program:

US National Library of Medicine National Institutes of Health:

So quit wasting money on Smoky The Bear too? It’s the same approach.

251 FemNaziBitch  Oct 12, 2014 10:22:52am
252 jaunte  Oct 12, 2014 10:22:53am

re: #249 De Kolta Chair

Those must be the guys that engineered that bridge. No wonder she’s pissed.

253 FemNaziBitch  Oct 12, 2014 10:23:49am

re: #247 jaunte

One problem with the program:

US National Library of Medicine National Institutes of Health:

So, let’s come-up with a program that works. …

Berating the NRA, ignoring the issue, or just telling them that guns are bad doesn’t seem to keep kids from being curious.

254 jaunte  Oct 12, 2014 10:24:44am

re: #250 Rightwingconspirator

So quit wasting money on Smoky The Bear too? It’s the same approach.

Probably:
How The Smokey Bear Effect Led To Raging Wildfires

255 Targetpractice  Oct 12, 2014 10:25:00am

re: #248 Rightwingconspirator

OTOH we could have a rational look at safety instead of this zero tolerance psych out.

Who decides what’s “rational”?

256 FemNaziBitch  Oct 12, 2014 10:25:59am

For the record, the Eddie Eagle video worked on my kid. He saw a cap gun in a friends basement when he was 7 and ran upstairs to tell us there was a gun downstairs.

YMMV

257 FemNaziBitch  Oct 12, 2014 10:26:46am

To be fair, teaching kids about drugs etc has seemed to back-fire as well… .

YMMV

258 Rightwingconspirator  Oct 12, 2014 10:27:15am

re: #255 Targetpractice

Who decides what’s “rational”?

Competent educators and safety experts rather than politically driven administrators?

259 FemNaziBitch  Oct 12, 2014 10:27:22am

My only answer to everything:

Comprehensive Sex Ed and Cost-free Birth Control.

260 Targetpractice  Oct 12, 2014 10:27:34am

re: #258 Rightwingconspirator

Competent educators and safety experts rather than politically driven administrators?

And where do the parents fit in?

261 Romantic Heretic  Oct 12, 2014 10:28:14am

re: #192 Timothy Watson

Or the Austrian schoolers who say that ‘data can’t disprove our theories’.

Blink. Blink.

So von Mises and his followers admit they’ve pulled their theory out of their collective asses, and they have no problem with that.

262 FemNaziBitch  Oct 12, 2014 10:28:16am

re: #258 Rightwingconspirator

Competent educators and safety experts rather than politically driven administrators?

Educated, sane adults who keep their firearms secure and ammo store separately?

Well, who is going to educate the adults?

arghhhhhhhhh

263 De Kolta Chair  Oct 12, 2014 10:28:27am


You’re next, Adolph!

264 FemNaziBitch  Oct 12, 2014 10:29:27am

re: #260 Targetpractice

And where do the parents fit in?

I’m so frigging tired of this response.

We have to come to grips with the fact that parents often have the emotional maturity of a 10 year old.

Parents are not God.

265 Jenner7  Oct 12, 2014 10:30:03am

Liars.

266 FemNaziBitch  Oct 12, 2014 10:30:33am

taking the Fugitive for a play-date

bbl

267 Rightwingconspirator  Oct 12, 2014 10:33:14am

re: #256 FemNaziBitch

For the record, the Eddie Eagle video worked on my kid. He saw a cap gun in a friends basement when he was 7 and ran upstairs to tell us there was a gun downstairs.

YMMV

NRA courses in my youth helped me a lot. we were an outdoor active family. Shooting, hunting, cabin vacations. I must have had a couple hundred students through my NRA classes. I don’t find those programs to be ineffective when compared to zero lessons given.

Eddie gets the side eye from anyone that is not pro gun sports. Smoky gets a pass. The views on this are warped by the gun thing. When did you ever see anyone question Smoky The Bear or that detective dog for efficacy? Eddie Eagle in the anti gun view is right there with Joe Camel-A deliberate evil aimed at children. It’s unfortunate but again I lay that blame on Wayne LaPierre. He ruined the organization.

268 danarchy  Oct 12, 2014 10:33:25am

re: #226 Targetpractice

Dark, you and I know that tort law thrives on the idea of “warning signs” going ignored. A significant enough loss of life can make a child playing with a crayon into the next Adam Lanza.

For generations every kid in America has played cops and robbers, or cowboys and indians or GI Joe, or even just with squirt guns. What percentage of those kids went on to become mass murders, I would wager a vanishingly small percentage, approaching zero. That tells me as an indicator of anything it is piss poor. How about we focus on things that are actual indicators of psychological issues.

269 Rightwingconspirator  Oct 12, 2014 10:34:35am

re: #260 Targetpractice

And where do the parents fit in?

Lessons at home. Shaping school policy? Pffft. Not Allowed. Ever.

270 Targetpractice  Oct 12, 2014 10:35:51am

re: #268 danarchy

For generations every kid in America has played cops and robbers, or cowboys and indians or GI Joe, or even just with squirt guns. What percentage of those kids went on to become mass murders, I would wager a vanishingly small percentage, approaching zero. That tells me as an indicator of anything it is piss poor. How about we focus on things that are actual indicators of psychological issues.

I seem to remember a much publicized case of a kid getting submitted for involuntary commitment and psychological evaluation by school administrators without his parents permission. And the massive stink that was raised by the idea that schools should have any say on whether a child is evaluated for mental illness versus their concerns simply being voiced to the parents.

271 Ryan King  Oct 12, 2014 10:38:35am
272 Romantic Heretic  Oct 12, 2014 10:39:38am

re: #200 Rightwingconspirator

Happy Sunday lizardim!

Take a look sometime at the scandals out of LAUSD, and how hard it is given the “due” process called for in union contract. Reform needed. My source? The head of LAUSD via The Daily Breeze

To my mind, calling for the end of unions because they aren’t perfect is a severe double standard. In my experience the people backing this position would never even consider getting rid of capitalism because of the fuck ups (Which are often worse and hurt more people) that occur under its aegis.

Plus I don’t want people losing their jobs on accusations, or because their superiors are jackasses, or they were in a pissy mood that day. Due process is expensive in money but the alternative is expensive in pain.

273 Targetpractice  Oct 12, 2014 10:40:10am

re: #269 Rightwingconspirator

Lessons at home. Shaping school policy? Pffft. Not Allowed. Ever.

Nice wish. In the real world, we have entire swaths of parents who raise a stink if the school sends home a permission slip for their child to attend sex ed classes. How many you figure will opt their kids out of a course on gun safety?

274 Ryan King  Oct 12, 2014 10:40:46am
275 Rightwingconspirator  Oct 12, 2014 10:41:04am

re: #272 Romantic Heretic

I’m not calling for an end to unions, I’m calling for an end to the power imbalances that have led to the quandaries we discuss. I try not to do the knee jerk extreme thing.

276 Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 12, 2014 10:43:47am

In Colorado:

277 Rightwingconspirator  Oct 12, 2014 10:44:19am

re: #273 Targetpractice

Nice wish. In the real world, we have entire swaths of parents who raise a stink if the school sends home a permission slip for their child to attend sex ed classes. How many you figure will opt their kids out of a course on gun safety?

Just to hazard a guess, those parents resisting sex ed will welcome eddie eagle. And those that would object to Eddie eagle will sign off on sex ed in a hot minute. This reflects on our divided society, not your comment btw.

I’n not certain of hardly any of this except an understanding we can improve.
Gotta just lurk- get to the kitchen, the thought of breakfast intrudes.

278 Targetpractice  Oct 12, 2014 10:48:18am

re: #277 Rightwingconspirator

Just to hazard a guess, those parents resisting sex ed will welcome eddie eagle. And those that would object to Eddie eagle will sign off on sex ed in a hot minute. This reflects on our divided society, not your comment btw.

I’n not certain of hardly any of this except an understanding we can improve.
Gotta just lurk- get to the kitchen, the thought of breakfast intrudes.

I admit that I’m allowing my contrarian streak out to play a bit today. While on a personal level I feel “zero tolerance” policies to be a sign of laziness, on a practical level I have to acknowledge that we don’t live in an ideal world where schools can be free to approach each matter in a practical fashion and not end up being sued for it when something goes wrong.

279 ausador  Oct 12, 2014 10:50:25am

re: #271 Ryan King

Unicorn Being A Jerk

Boy it is a good thing that unicorns are imaginary and this can never happen…

Relax it’s only make believe.

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280 jaunte  Oct 12, 2014 10:53:20am

Mark Knoller being a Unicorn:

281 Targetpractice  Oct 12, 2014 10:54:22am

re: #280 jaunte

Mark Knoller being a Unicorn:

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At this point, I’m pretty sure the President would have to take off the next two years to match the number of vacation days C-Plus Augustus took in his 8 years.

282 jaunte  Oct 12, 2014 10:55:41am

Blackbirds. Hurrr. Get it?

283 Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 12, 2014 10:59:12am
284 ausador  Oct 12, 2014 11:06:42am

Dim Jim tweets out about his latest article in which he says that CDC and health officials have no idea how nurse got Ebola, results from his fans are predictable…

285 Timothy Watson  Oct 12, 2014 11:08:53am

At the risk of pissing someone off, I find it really offensive that I need to take a online training lesson to learn not to rape women:

Dear VCU Students,

Although this message is intended for you, I also want professors, staff, alumni, and your parents to know about actions we are taking as part of our commitment to your success and to provide a safe and healthy learning experience and campus environment.

Nationwide, college students report sexual assault, harassment, domestic-dating violence and stalking incidents. Rightly so, federal laws and regulatory guidance have increased a focus on these campus and societal issues, aiming to reduce these incidents by increasing education, transparency and accountability at colleges and universities.

VCU quickly joined institutions across the country in requiring students to learn about sexual violence, bystander intervention and risk reduction strategies. I also signed a joint declaration with other Virginia colleges and universities to work together to aggressively combat sexual violence on campuses, an important initiative taken by Governor McAuliffe. Additionally, I have directed a thorough review of current programs to ensure that VCU’s outreach, support, and compliance efforts are fully consistent with current state and federal guidance.

As VCU students, you will soon receive instructions from the Student Affairs Division to complete online training that is meant to provide you with the knowledge and skills to contribute to a safer community at VCU. Although it is a rare occasion when the university requires training, this training is vital to your safety and the safety of others, so it is mandatory.

Thank you for your diligent participation in this important training. Through this and other university efforts and resources, we are committed to establishing a campus culture that is safe and supportive of all of our students, faculty and staff.

286 Shiplord Kirel  Oct 12, 2014 11:09:22am

One of my conservative FB friends has connected the new ebola case with tonight’s season premier of The Walking Dead.

He’s kidding (I think).

287 wrenchwitch  Oct 12, 2014 11:13:55am

re: #285 Timothy Watson

At the risk of pissing someone off, I find it really offensive that I need to take a online training lesson to learn not to rape women:

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Maybe you can learn about this [from that letter]:

bystander intervention

That’s not offensive, is it?

288 Shiplord Kirel  Oct 12, 2014 11:15:20am

If Romney had won, the RWNJs would be on their knees thanking Jesus that the President’s inspired leadership had limited our ebola outbreak to just two confirmed cases.

289 Timothy Watson  Oct 12, 2014 11:15:26am

re: #287 wrenchwench

I have to be told to not let someone else rape someone?

290 ausador  Oct 12, 2014 11:16:14am

re: #285 Timothy Watson

At the risk of pissing someone off, I find it really offensive that I need to take a online training lesson to learn not to rape women:

Seems to be purely pre-emptive, so people cannot later say they were unaware that their actions violated the school’s policies. Wouldn’t fulfill its purpose if everyone wasn’t required to view the training materials.

291 wrenchwitch  Oct 12, 2014 11:16:40am

re: #289 Timothy Watson

I have to be told to not let someone else rape someone?

Do you already know all about how and when to intervene?

292 Dr. Matt  Oct 12, 2014 11:16:59am

re: #288 Shiplord Kirel

If Romney had won, the RWNJs would be on their knees thanking Jesus that the President’s inspired leadership had limited our ebola outbreak to just two confirmed cases.

And with the employment at a 6 year low and stock market at an all-time high, they would be adding him to Mt. Rushmore.

293 jaunte  Oct 12, 2014 11:17:00am

re: #284 ausador

Phyllis Schlafly, in a recent WND interview:

“Out of all the things he’s done,” Schlafly told WorldNetDaily in an interview this week, “I think this thing of letting these diseased people into this country to infect our own people is just the most outrageous of all.”

Obama doesn’t want America to believe that we’re exceptional,” Phyllis whined. “He wants us to be just like everybody else, and if Africa is suffering from Ebola, we ought to join the group and be suffering from it, too. That’s his attitude.”

294 Decatur Deb  Oct 12, 2014 11:17:37am

re: #287 wrenchwench

Maybe you can learn about this [from that letter]:

That’s not offensive, is it?

By 8th grade, Sister Mary Claver taught me everything I need to know to prevent raping someone.

Note the school course includes ‘risk reduction strategies’. Sounds like a good place to step on their dicks (figuratively speaking).

295 Dr. Matt  Oct 12, 2014 11:19:21am
296 jaunte  Oct 12, 2014 11:20:05am

re: #284 ausador

Dim Jim tweets out about his latest article in which he says that CDC and health officials have no idea how nurse got Ebola, results from his fans are predictable…

297 Timothy Watson  Oct 12, 2014 11:20:30am

re: #291 wrenchwench

Do you already know all about how and when to intervene?

That requires a class?

298 Decatur Deb  Oct 12, 2014 11:22:02am

re: #297 Timothy Watson

That requires a class?

That 12th online PowerPoint will nail it for you. It has fade-in/fade-out and everything.

299 wrenchwitch  Oct 12, 2014 11:23:04am

re: #297 Timothy Watson

That requires a class?

Apparently.

Such a shame that there’s so many rapes on campuses that haven’t been dealt with satisfactorily, creating the need for a terrible inconvenience and offense to young men such as yourself.

Maybe your annoyance should be directed at the rapists or the administrators who didn’t punish them.

300 ausador  Oct 12, 2014 11:23:30am

re: #292 Dr. Matt

And with the employment at a 6 year low and stock market at an all-time high, they would be adding him to Mt. Rushmore.

Well if not quite that at least canonizing him alongside St. Reagan.

301 gwangung  Oct 12, 2014 11:23:43am

re: #260 Targetpractice

And where do the parents fit in?

Belt and suspenders.

(Though, to be honest, there a LOT of adults who need this education too)

302 Timothy Watson  Oct 12, 2014 11:24:16am

re: #299 wrenchwench

Apparently.

Such a shame that there’s so many rapes on campuses that haven’t been dealt with satisfactorily, creating the need for a terrible inconvenience and offense to young men such as yourself.

Maybe your annoyance should be directed at the rapists or the administrators who didn’t punish them.

Last I checked, college administrators weren’t appointed by a vote of the students.

303 Romantic Heretic  Oct 12, 2014 11:25:14am

re: #275 Rightwingconspirator

I’m not calling for an end to unions, I’m calling for an end to the power imbalances that have led to the quandaries we discuss. I try not to do the knee jerk extreme thing.

Let’s look at that article from my point of view.

First, the article cites a person who has a vested interest in getting rid of the union. Second although he claims ‘350 teachers who he’d fire’ if it weren’t for that blasted ‘due process’ he cites only three really egregious examples. In a school district with thousands of teachers that is hardly an example of ‘power imbalance’.

Now let’s take a look at what things might be like without due process.

A kid is failing his class because he won’t do the work and keeps getting disciplined by the teacher for not doing so. The kid, knowing how people react to such accusations goes to an administrator and accuses the teacher of fondling them.

BOOM! That teacher is not only fired but their career is over. They’ll never work in the field again, and considering the accusation they might have to flee for their lives. Without due process how is the teacher going to defend themselves because I guarantee, given the nature of the accusation, that the school district is not going to attempt to prove the truth of the offence. Pedophilia is a crime that needs no evidence in most people’s minds.

Or, another example. There is no union and a teacher is trying to organize one. Without due process the superintendent can fire that teacher, and blacklist them as well. It’s happened multiple times in history.

Mr. Deasy is not concerned with power imbalance. He’s concerned that it’s not imbalanced in his favor.

304 wrenchwitch  Oct 12, 2014 11:25:45am

re: #302 Timothy Watson

Last I checked, college administrators weren’t appointed by a vote of the students.

So what will you do?

305 Decatur Deb  Oct 12, 2014 11:26:07am

re: #299 wrenchwench

Apparently.

Such a shame that there’s so many rapes on campuses that haven’t been dealt with satisfactorily, creating the need for a terrible inconvenience and offense to young men such as yourself.

Maybe your annoyance should be directed at the rapists or the administrators who didn’t punish them.

Rape is a crime. It belongs in the world of cops/courts/prisons. How the hell did the Dean of Student Life become competent in this?

306 sattv4u2  Oct 12, 2014 11:27:50am

re: #305 Decatur Deb

Rape is a crime. It belongs in the world of cops/courts/prisons. How the hell did the Dean of Student Life become competent in this?

He took an online class!!!

Wait ,, wha!?!?!?
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307 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Oct 12, 2014 11:28:26am

re: #285 Timothy Watson

Well, maybe I also don’t like to go through the airport security procedure. I know I’m not a terrorist, why should I? ;)

308 sattv4u2  Oct 12, 2014 11:30:00am

re: #307 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

Well, maybe I also don’t like to go through the airport security procedure. I know I’m not a terrorist, why should I? ;)

A security check at the airport will stop a terrorist if they try to go through it

An online class won’t stop a rapist is he goes through it

309 Decatur Deb  Oct 12, 2014 11:30:28am

re: #307 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

Well, maybe I also don’t like to go through the airport security procedure. I know I’m not a terrorist, why should I? ;)

Why doesn’t the TSA just make you take an online course while you’re stuck in Atlanta-Hartsfield?

310 Timothy Watson  Oct 12, 2014 11:30:40am

re: #304 wrenchwench

So what will you do?

Is that a trick question? Am I supposed to run for Governor, appoint people to the university’s Board of Visitors, and make sure that the university has administrators that are doing their jobs?

And watching a video which I can (apparently) mute and leave to run in the background is going to change that?

I’m trying to not be contrary here, but, really, this is what the college’s brilliant solution to sexual violence is?

311 sattv4u2  Oct 12, 2014 11:31:31am

re: #309 Decatur Deb

Why doesn’t the TSA just make you take an online course while you’re stuck in Atlanta-Hartsfield?

I’ve spent worse time there!!!

312 Decatur Deb  Oct 12, 2014 11:32:54am

re: #311 sattv4u2

I’ve spent worse time there!!!

I used to love to stand outside the glass aquarium they set up for addicted smokers. Sometimes they would disappear into the blue haze.

313 sattv4u2  Oct 12, 2014 11:34:10am

re: #312 Decatur Deb

I used to love to stand outside the glass aquarium they set up for addicted smokers. Sometimes they would disappear into the blue haze.

Once pot is legalized everywhere, I wonder if they’ll set up a separate one for those smokers!

314 Decatur Deb  Oct 12, 2014 11:34:45am

re: #313 sattv4u2

Once pot is legalized everywhere, I wonder if they’ll set up a separate one for those smokers!

With an “Aircrew Only” section.

315 Timothy Watson  Oct 12, 2014 11:35:05am

re: #313 sattv4u2

Once pot is legalized everywhere, I wonder if they’ll set up a separate one for those smokers!

I foresee some staring contests with the fish.

316 sattv4u2  Oct 12, 2014 11:35:44am

re: #314 Decatur Deb

With an “Aircrew Only” section.

Gives the Mile High Club a whole new meaning

(although,,, truth be told ,, I’d prefer being a member of the original)

317 ausador  Oct 12, 2014 11:36:27am

Did anyone ever count how many times Bush went to Texas to “chop brush” on his ranch? I seem to remember it was quite a few times and that they lasted for days/weeks, not 45 minutes to play a few holes.

318 Dr. Matt  Oct 12, 2014 11:37:05am

Jebus, Drudge is such a drama queen….notice the tattered flag

Drama Queen Drudge

319 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Oct 12, 2014 11:38:05am

re: #308 sattv4u2

Not every rape is physically violent, yet many people assume that it’s the only “legitimate” form. Not every young man understands that consent is not such a simple thing, especially where alcohol is involved. So if this course corrects some misconceptions, this helps both young men and women.

320 wrenchwitch  Oct 12, 2014 11:38:30am

re: #305 Decatur Deb

Rape is a crime. It belongs in the world of cops/courts/prisons. How the hell did the Dean of Student Life become competent in this?

Not necessarily competent, just responsible, as a last ditch CYA action on the part of the administrators who should have handed every case to the cops in the first place.

I guess they’re trying to make it not happen any more so they won’t have to bring in the cops still.

321 Amory Blaine  Oct 12, 2014 11:38:38am

There is no “balance”. When the unions are gone, the government will be filled with nothing but toadies for big business. If unions aren’t exactly perfect in efficiency I say too fucking bad.

322 sattv4u2  Oct 12, 2014 11:40:28am

Halftime

Out to get dinner prepped before 2nd half kickoff

323 Pie-onist Overlord  Oct 12, 2014 11:41:44am

re: #317 ausador

Did anyone ever count how many times Bush went to Texas to “chop brush” on his ranch? I seem to remember it was quite a few times and that they lasted for days/weeks, not 45 minutes to play a few holes.

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Ike played 800 rounds of golf during his presidency, a record that is unlikely to be superceded by Obama.

324 Timothy Watson  Oct 12, 2014 11:42:25am

re: #319 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

Not every rape is physically violent, yet many people assume that it’s the only “legitimate” form. Not every young man understands that consent is not such a simple thing, especially where alcohol is involved. So if this course corrects some misconceptions, this helps both young men and women.

Except having 18-21 years old “watch” a video (the quotes because you can apparently mute the video and let it play in the background) for an online training course is not the way to teach that.

Hell, I have to do online training courses for my work (one is a laughable one on cybersecurity and the other is procedures for credit card usage for the organization), do any of you guys actually pay attention to a word on those? I remember someone the other day on here was complaining about them.

325 Dr. Matt  Oct 12, 2014 11:42:33am

Tony Perkins (R-Douche) has defined marriage (yet again): “Marriage is not to affirm adults, it’s for the protection of children,”

326 Decatur Deb  Oct 12, 2014 11:42:34am

re: #320 wrenchwench

Not necessarily competent, just responsible, as a last ditch CYA action on the part of the administrators who should have handed every case to the cops in the first place.

I guess they’re trying to make it not happen any more so they won’t have to bring in the cops still.

I don’t see them as any more responsible than any responsible citizen, except as it impacts their employees. We got rid of ‘in loco parentis’ a generation ago. Rape is a police matter, and failing to report it should bring any penalties called for in the jurisdiction.

Of course none of us have seen the online offering. It might have vague informative value as long as it’s not a Microsoft product featuring Clippy.

327 Amory Blaine  Oct 12, 2014 11:43:06am

Another thing, unions dont hire people, management does and if they’re so incompetent they hire reams of stupid people, well unions work with the workers they have, not the workers they want.

328 wrenchwitch  Oct 12, 2014 11:43:54am

re: #310 Timothy Watson

Is that a trick question? Am I supposed to run for Governor, appoint people to the university’s Board of Visitors, and make sure that the university has administrators that are doing their jobs?

And watching a video which I can (apparently) mute and leave to run in the background is going to change that?

I’m trying to not be contrary here, but, really, this is what the college’s brilliant solution to sexual violence is?

If you didn’t want to discuss it, you would not have posted about it here. I’m not asking any trick questions. I don’t think this is at all brilliant on the part of the college.

When I was in college, I was exceptionally involved in campus politics. I was part of organizations, I held a position called a ‘student lobbyist’ for a while, a friend of mine ran for student body president and won against all expectations.

So maybe I have some kind of delusion that there is something you could do on your campus. I must admit, my campus activities had no long-lasting effects there, but they might have had one on me.

329 wrenchwitch  Oct 12, 2014 11:45:05am

re: #319 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

Not every rape is physically violent, yet many people assume that it’s the only “legitimate” form. Not every young man understands that consent is not such a simple thing, especially where alcohol is involved. So if this course corrects some misconceptions, this helps both young men and women.

Bingo.

330 Timothy Watson  Oct 12, 2014 11:47:01am

re: #319 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

Not every rape is physically violent, yet many people assume that it’s the only “legitimate” form. Not every young man understands that consent is not such a simple thing, especially where alcohol is involved. So if this course corrects some misconceptions, this helps both young men and women.

Addendum: I think that’s a fair point to bring up about the media: Police and crime shows almost exclusively show stranger/violent cases of rape, just like how they always portray child sex abuse coming from strangers when the vast majority of cases are perpetrated by acquaintances of the parents or family members themselves.

331 Rightwingconspirator  Oct 12, 2014 11:47:18am

re: #303 Romantic Heretic

I’m not here to speak to Deasy’s interests. I can’t speak for his motives. I do see that power pendulum could swing a good long ways before it was in the administrations favor. How about we agree getting rid of unions and due process is not a goal I share. Unions have done a lot of good. UTLA has had some glorious and worthy moments.

This is my home town. i grew up and got most of my early education from LAUSD. Many of my friends have kids and face real hardships due to shortcomings there. Locals (at least those that care) watch carefully.

Again this is not a contest of extremes. Union yes or Union no. Lets reject ad absurdum. There are instances where the unions have the upper hand by far by far and it’s not gone well. As much as that uncomfortable fact flies in the face of contemporary rhetoric it’s still there. For another example consider the California prison guard union.

No sense in trading examples much though, understand my point is we are best served by a balance of power. I’m pointing to a place where that is a goal not a fact. Checks and balances my friend, checks and balances. In a system like ours imbalances happen in any direction over time.

332 wrenchwitch  Oct 12, 2014 11:47:24am

re: #326 Decatur Deb

I don’t see them as any more responsible than any responsible citizen, except as it impacts their employees. We got rid of ‘in loco parentis’ a generation ago. Rape is a police matter, and failing to report is should bring any penalties called for in the jurisdiction.

Yeah, the responsibility has been ‘handed’ to them, but it may not hold up in court. First order of business is to keep administrators out of court.

Of course none of us have seen the online offering. It might have vague informative value as long as it’s not a Microsoft product featuring Clippy.

Maybe Timothy can get us a copy.

333 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Oct 12, 2014 11:49:20am

re: #324 Timothy Watson

Hey, the implementation is a different issue. I think the initial complaint was that you have to go through such a thing at all.

334 Amory Blaine  Oct 12, 2014 11:49:51am

Most women are raped by people they know and trust. It is incumbent on everyone to make sure all our dumb friends know.

335 Jenner7  Oct 12, 2014 11:50:29am

Little troll is still harassing Wesley….

336 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Oct 12, 2014 11:51:48am

Michael Shermer could have benefited from a similar course. I’m just sayin.

337 A Mom Anon  Oct 12, 2014 11:53:28am

re: #108 Dark_Falcon

Where do they have tenure? All the teachers I know are on a year to year contract and aren’t in unions. They belong instead to “associations” that don’t have any control over anything regarding benefits or salaries. The situation is even less stable for special education or “extras” teachers (art, music, PE, etc) whose jobs can disappear with any new budget. It’s been that way in many parts of the country for quite awhile now.

338 Timothy Watson  Oct 12, 2014 11:56:27am

re: #328 wrenchwench

If you didn’t want to discuss it, you would not have posted about it here. I’m not asking any trick questions. I don’t think this is at all brilliant on the part of the college.

When I was in college, I was exceptionally involved in campus politics. I was part of organizations, I held a position called a ‘student lobbyist’ for a while, a friend of mine ran for student body president and won against all expectations.

So maybe I have some kind of delusion that there is something you could do on your campus. I must admit, my campus activities had no long-lasting effects there, but they might have had one on me.

I’m more than willing to discuss it, you seem to suggest that I’m, somehow, supposed to make sure that administrators are doing to their jobs when sexual violence is reported to them. How, exactly, am I supposed to do that? The President of a public university in Virginia isn’t accountable to students in any meaningful way. The university isn’t allowed to release details in those cases due to FERPA.

(Part of the gap between our perspectives might be that I am a commuter student who lives a long ways from the campus of the university, so I don’t exactly have the attitude of someone who is deeply involved with the university.)

339 wrenchwitch  Oct 12, 2014 11:57:23am

re: #336 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

Michael Shermer could have benefited from a similar course. I’m just sayin.

Oh geez, I didn’t know, so I looked. :-(

340 Timothy Watson  Oct 12, 2014 11:58:44am

re: #336 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

Michael Shermer could have benefited from a similar course. I’m just sayin.

See also: CeeLo Green?

341 Decatur Deb  Oct 12, 2014 11:58:50am

re: #338 Timothy Watson

I’m more than willing to discuss it, you seem to suggest that I’m, somehow, supposed to make sure that administrators are doing to their jobs when sexual violence is reported to them. How, exactly, am I supposed to do that? The President of a public university in Virginia isn’t accountable to students in any meaningful way. The university isn’t allowed to release details in those cases due to FERPA.

(Part of the gap between our perspectives might be that I am a commuter student who lives a long ways from the campus of the university, so I don’t exactly have the attitude of someone who is deeply involved with the university.)

Who is teaching people to report felonies to educators? Do people tell the Bursar when their car is stolen? If someone is raped, go to the cops.

342 Pie-onist Overlord  Oct 12, 2014 12:00:18pm
343 Dr. Matt  Oct 12, 2014 12:00:54pm

re: #337 A Mom Anon

Where do they have tenure? All the teachers I know are on a year to year contract and aren’t in unions. .

I concur. I have lived in 5 different states and I have never heard of a K to 12 school teacher that had tenure. It could exist in some areas or in some situations, but it’s not commonplace.

344 Timothy Watson  Oct 12, 2014 12:03:43pm

re: #341 Decatur Deb

Who is teaching people to report felonies to educators? Do people tell the Bursar when their car is stolen? If someone is raped, go to the cops.

They do have obligations under Title IX and the Clery Act, but the exact obligations are open to interpretation.

345 Decatur Deb  Oct 12, 2014 12:05:33pm

re: #343 Dr. Matt

I concur. I have lived in 5 different states and I have never heard of a K to 12 school teacher that had tenure. It could exist in some areas or in some situations, but it’s not commonplace.

It works that way in Alabama, though the power of the AEA contract is exaggerated. It doesn’t mean the Art or PE (Hah!) Department won’t be eliminated. It governs who loses a job first. It cost our HS a lot of court fees to get rid of a teacher who had lost it. That was mostly the inept administrators’ fault.

346 wrenchwitch  Oct 12, 2014 12:05:38pm

re: #338 Timothy Watson

I’m more than willing to discuss it, you seem to suggest that I’m, somehow, supposed to make sure that administrators are doing to their jobs when sexual violence is reported to them. How, exactly, am I supposed to do that? The President of a public university in Virginia isn’t accountable to students in any meaningful way. The university isn’t allowed to release details in those cases due to FERPA.

(Part of the gap between our perspectives might be that I am a commuter student who lives a long ways from the campus of the university, so I don’t exactly have the attitude of someone who is deeply involved with the university.)

I guess all I’m doing is offering alternatives to whining about it, which doesn’t look good, which I think you know because your original post on the matter included, ‘At the risk of pissing someone off’.

347 allegro  Oct 12, 2014 12:06:10pm

To my thinking a rape prevention course would include some consciousness raising to help break apart the rape culture. It would point out that rape jokes aren’t funny so that when men hear them they say, “Dude, not even funny.” It would include cues on when victim blaming is happening - yes, we as a culture need those since they are so much a part of our collective mentality. It would give a young man pause when he starts to objectify women and recognize it when others are. Such a course would address sexist attitudes and comments that make women “less than” and to place their roles as those which are there to serve men.

THIS is rape prevention. And it very much is a collective responsibility.

348 Decatur Deb  Oct 12, 2014 12:06:44pm

re: #346 wrenchwench

I guess all I’m doing is offering alternatives to whining about it, which doesn’t look good, which I think you know because your original post on the matter included, ‘At the risk of pissing someone off’.

Aren’t we required to keep someone pissed off in each time zone?

349 wrenchwitch  Oct 12, 2014 12:07:41pm

re: #348 Decatur Deb

Aren’t we required to keep someone pissed off in each time zone?

Gus used to be more help on that score in my time zone.

350 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Oct 12, 2014 12:08:26pm

re: #339 wrenchwench

Oh geez, I didn’t know, so I looked. :-(

pharyngula.wikia.com

351 Dr. Matt  Oct 12, 2014 12:08:57pm

re: #345 Decatur Deb

It works that way in Alabama, though the power of the AEA contract is exaggerated. It doesn’t mean the Art or PE (Hah!) Department won’t be eliminated. It governs who loses a job first. It cost our HS a lot of court fees to get rid of a teacher who had lost it. That was mostly the inept administrators’ fault.

Interesting. Alabama is the last place I thought tenure would exist for grade school teachers.

352 Decatur Deb  Oct 12, 2014 12:09:11pm

re: #347 allegro

To my thinking a rape prevention course would include some consciousness raising to help break apart the rape culture. It would point out that rape jokes aren’t funny so that when men hear them they say, “Dude, not even funny.” It would include cues on when victim blaming is happening - yes, we as a culture need those since they are so much a part of our collective mentality. It would give a young man pause when he starts to objectify women and recognize it when others are. Such a course would address sexist attitudes and comments that make women “less than” and to place their roles as those which are there to serve men.

THIS is rape prevention. And it very much is a collective responsibility.

College is about 6 years late for that.

353 Decatur Deb  Oct 12, 2014 12:09:51pm

re: #351 Dr. Matt

Interesting. Alabama is the last place I thought tenure would exist for grade school teachers.

It was that or Advanced Placement Alchemy.

354 Waxing Rapsodik  Oct 12, 2014 12:10:46pm

re: #349 wrenchwench

Gus used to be more help on that score in my time zone.

What is your time zone?

Mine’s CST

355 allegro  Oct 12, 2014 12:11:39pm

re: #352 Decatur Deb

College is about 6 years late for that.

I disagree. It is NEVER too late for that.

356 Decatur Deb  Oct 12, 2014 12:12:10pm

re: #351 Dr. Matt

Interesting. Alabama is the last place I thought tenure would exist for grade school teachers.

My daughter, a HS teacher, hated it because she saw only the protection for the ‘embarrassments’ at her schools. I still have some solidarity to teach.

357 BlueSpotinAL  Oct 12, 2014 12:13:45pm

re: #351 Dr. Matt

Interesting. Alabama is the last place I thought tenure would exist for grade school teachers.

Tenure after 3 years. Basically you can be let go with no justification before 3 years. After 3 years some process needs to be followed.

358 Decatur Deb  Oct 12, 2014 12:14:39pm

re: #355 allegro

I disagree. It is NEVER too late for that.

The Army has a principle concerning the application of training/education. You ask: “Could this person behave as intended if you held a .45 to his head?” If the answer is “Yes”, you don’t have an education problem.

359 wrenchwitch  Oct 12, 2014 12:14:51pm

re: #354 Editor in Chief

What is your time zone?

Mine’s CST

MDT.

360 Waxing Rapsodik  Oct 12, 2014 12:19:56pm

re: #359 wrenchwench

MDT.

So it’s 1:20 right now?

361 Amory Blaine  Oct 12, 2014 12:20:31pm

Nothing gets a laugh in america like a good ol fashioned prison rape joke.

362 wrenchwitch  Oct 12, 2014 12:21:07pm

re: #360 Editor in Chief

So it’s 1:20 right now?

yes!

363 Amory Blaine  Oct 12, 2014 12:21:16pm

I’m in the twilight zone.

364 wrenchwitch  Oct 12, 2014 12:21:55pm

re: #362 wrenchwench

yes!

dammit, too slow.

365 Waxing Rapsodik  Oct 12, 2014 12:23:10pm

re: #362 wrenchwench

yes!

OK, so I’m now in a time zone that is equivalent to mountain time.
When everybody falls back I’ll be the same as central.

366 Amory Blaine  Oct 12, 2014 12:24:37pm

It’s been one terrible week. A swift kick in the nuts would be an improvement.

367 allegro  Oct 12, 2014 12:24:39pm

re: #358 Decatur Deb

The Army has a principle concerning the application of training/education. You ask: “Could this person behave as intended if you held a .45 to his head?” If the answer is “Yes”, you don’t have an education problem.

OK, then let’s call it a peer problem. Whatever it is, until we as a society make this attitude/behavior unacceptable then it will continue. BTW, I’m not excluding women from this conversation at all.

368 Decatur Deb  Oct 12, 2014 12:24:47pm

re: #360 Editor in Chief

So it’s 1:20 right now?

In 40 minutes for soldiers in MDT it will be 1400 hrs. For sailors, it will be ‘4 bells’, and for Marines Mickey’s big hand will be on the 2….

369 Decatur Deb  Oct 12, 2014 12:27:52pm

re: #367 allegro

OK, then let’s call it a peer problem. Whatever it is, until we as a society make this attitude/behavior unacceptable then it will continue. BTW, I’m not excluding women from this conversation at all.

That’s not men and women, and it’s not just sexual violence. It’s a matter of the very basic regard of one human for another, and until we find ways to upgrade that, the shit of all kinds will continue.

370 Kragar  Oct 12, 2014 12:30:13pm

re: #368 Decatur Deb

In 40 minutes for soldiers in MDT it will be 1400 hrs. For sailors, it will be ‘4 bells’, and for Marines Mickey’s big hand will be on the 2….

A sailor and a Marine are both in the bathroom. As they finish, the sailor goes to the sink and the Marine goes to leave.

The sailor says “In the Navy, they teach us to wash our hands after we use the toilet.”

The Marine says, “In the Corps, they teach us not to piss on our hands” and leaves.

371 Amory Blaine  Oct 12, 2014 12:30:24pm

My stepson threatened my wife and I, immediately following this my sickly sister in law has been found with ovarian cancer. Plus my brother hates me now because I had to kick him out for threatening my stepson.
So son in law lived with us rent free for 8 years
My bro lived with me rent free for 4 months.

Yet I’m the asshole.

372 Waxing Rapsodik  Oct 12, 2014 12:30:47pm

re: #368 Decatur Deb

In 40 minutes for soldiers in MDT it will be 1400 hrs. For sailors, it will be ‘4 bells’, and for Marines Mickey’s big hand will be on the 2….

If god had intended us to use a 24 hour clock he wouldn’t have created day and night.

373 Decatur Deb  Oct 12, 2014 12:32:27pm

re: #371 Amory Blaine

My stepson threatened my wife and I, immediately following this my sickly sister in law has been found with ovarian cancer. Plus my brother hates me now because I had to kick him out for threatening my stepson.
So son in law lived with us rent free for 8 years
My bro lived with me rent free for 4 months.

Yet I’m the asshole.

You don’t live in Wasilla, do you?

374 Amory Blaine  Oct 12, 2014 12:33:06pm

re: #371 Amory Blaine

Plus George hates me because I am putting medicine in his eye and he has to wear his cone.

375 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Oct 12, 2014 12:33:28pm

re: #369 Decatur Deb

That’s not men and women, and it’s not just sexual violence. It’s a matter of the very basic regard of one human for another, and until we find ways to upgrade that, the shit of all kinds will continue.

Yes. But even an asshole will think twice if he at least knows that what he is about to do is illegal. (Where not even *knowing* that is the result of the patriarchal/rape culture.)

376 wrenchwitch  Oct 12, 2014 12:34:23pm

re: #371 Amory Blaine

My stepson threatened my wife and I, immediately following this my sickly sister in law has been found with ovarian cancer. Plus my brother hates me now because I had to kick him out for threatening my stepson.
So son in law lived with us rent free for 8 years
My bro lived with me rent free for 4 months.

Yet I’m the asshole.

I was wondering how a 12 hour old week was so bad already.

{{{Amory}}}

Sometimes ya gotta be the asshole, at least in someone else’s eyes.

377 Decatur Deb  Oct 12, 2014 12:37:00pm

re: #375 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

Yes. But even an asshole will think twice if he at least knows that what he is about to do is illegal. (Where not even *knowing* that is the result of the patriarchal/rape culture.)

Gonna take a hell of an online show, and that will only fix the ignorant. How are you going to reach the many who are doing obvious violations, and don’t care?

378 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Oct 12, 2014 12:37:29pm

re: #377 Decatur Deb

Gonna take a hell of an online show, and that will only fix the ignorant. How are you going to reach the many who are doing obvious violations, and don’t care?

Welcome to planet Earth.

379 Amory Blaine  Oct 12, 2014 12:38:01pm

re: #376 wrenchwench

Stepson is a heroin addict who has been playing our sympathies like a fiddle.

380 Decatur Deb  Oct 12, 2014 12:38:53pm

re: #378 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

Welcome to planet Earth.

Just visiting.

381 allegro  Oct 12, 2014 12:46:41pm

re: #377 Decatur Deb

Gonna take a hell of an online show, and that will only fix the ignorant. How are you going to reach the many who are doing obvious violations, and don’t care?

That would be the intervention part.

Here’s an example, say the Michael Shermer thing. The older guy has a sweet young thing at a hotel room party. He keeps filling her glass so she has no idea how many drinks she’s had and he isn’t drinking. Other people reported seeing this happening (some had seen it happen before, recognizing his SOP). She is clearly getting hammered. What if, instead of just watching this go on and letting it go, someone had intervened and seen her back safely to her room? What if we all learned to pay attention to these “tricks of the rapists trade”, recognize them, and do what we can to intervene?

What if a rape prevention course provided that kind of information?

382 Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 12, 2014 12:48:14pm

re: #342 Pie-onist Overlord

Ike wore Sansabelt pants.
I had no idea!

383 Decatur Deb  Oct 12, 2014 12:51:31pm

re: #381 allegro

That would be the intervention part.

Here’s an example, say the Michael Shermer thing. The older guy has a sweet young thing at a hotel room party. He keeps filling her glass so she has no idea how many drinks she’s had and he isn’t drinking. Other people reported seeing this happening (some had seen it happen before, recognizing his SOP). She is clearly getting hammered. What if, instead of just watching this go on and letting it go, someone had intervened and seen her back safely to her room? What if we all learned to pay attention to these “tricks of the rapists trade”, recognize them, and do what we can to intervene?

What if a rape prevention course provided that kind of information?

Giving a shit about the woman is a product of a deep-seated decency. It has to be fundamental to the ‘interventor’s’ upbringing. You don’t get it in a pencil-whipped online course.

384 wrenchwitch  Oct 12, 2014 12:52:34pm

re: #379 Amory Blaine

Stepson is a heroin addict who has been playing our sympathies like a fiddle.

I can’t keep the cast of characters straight.

Draw some lines. Protect yourself.

385 Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 12, 2014 1:00:22pm

I am really starting to hate my internet service provider.

A lot.

386 allegro  Oct 12, 2014 1:02:08pm

re: #383 Decatur Deb

Giving a shit about the woman is a product of a deep-seated decency. It has to be fundamental to the ‘interventor’s’ upbringing. You don’t get it in a pencil-whipped online course.

Well, yanno, if we’re just stuck with this sick society and there’s nothing to be done, why do you spend so much of your time talking to people, trying to educate them, getting them out to vote to try to make things better?

Maybe this online course sucks and is worthless. Or maybe not. Maybe it will make a few young people see a few things differently, educate them

387 Decatur Deb  Oct 12, 2014 1:03:48pm

re: #381 allegro

That would be the intervention part.

Here’s an example, say the Michael Shermer thing. The older guy has a sweet young thing at a hotel room party. He keeps filling her glass so she has no idea how many drinks she’s had and he isn’t drinking. Other people reported seeing this happening (some had seen it happen before, recognizing his SOP). She is clearly getting hammered. What if, instead of just watching this go on and letting it go, someone had intervened and seen her back safely to her room? What if we all learned to pay attention to these “tricks of the rapists trade”, recognize them, and do what we can to intervene?

What if a rape prevention course provided that kind of information?

(I’m not familiar with the case at all, taking it as you describe)

Does anyone have the right to tell a SYT (assumed an adult) how to regulate her drinking and then take her home? That’s violating her agency, and very hard to do to someone who’s hammered. Were there no other concerned women to act as wingman? In avoiding victim-blaming you risk witness-blaming.

388 darthstar  Oct 12, 2014 1:06:23pm

re: #382 Backwoods_Sleuth

Ike wore Sansabelt pants.
I had no idea!

Imagine the outrage if Obama wore Sansabelt pants.

389 Decatur Deb  Oct 12, 2014 1:07:47pm

re: #386 allegro

Well, yanno, if we’re just stuck with this sick society and there’s nothing to be done, why do you spend so much of your time talking to people, trying to educate them, getting them out to vote to try to make things better?

Maybe this online course sucks and is worthless. Or maybe not. Maybe it will make a few young people see a few things differently, educate them

I have very low expectations of my political effort in Alabama. My candidate, a female Yankee Democrat, has virtually no chance. Just can’t go down without a fight. As for fixing society, I’m largely out of ideas since the Soviets fucked up the New Socialist Man.

390 EPR-radar  Oct 12, 2014 1:21:41pm

re: #237 FemNaziBitch

Indeed. Support of an abortion ban even in cases of rape is inherently support of rape as a means for the rapist to reproduce.

It’s difficult to get more anti-women than that.


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