Twitter Reinstates Chuck C. Johnson Again

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Chuck C. Johnson posing with his best friend

It’s disappointing to see this, but not entirely unexpected; Twitter has restored smear merchant Chuck C. Johnson’s account again tonight, even with his history of deliberately flaunting Twitter’s terms of service.

And even though he said to Twitter today (in the Daily Caller): “F*ck you. I’ll do what I want.”

It’s just a matter of time until he does something horrible and disgusting, and gets suspended again. It makes you wonder why Twitter even has rules at all, if they won’t enforce them.

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458 comments
1 Rightwingconspirator  Oct 14, 2014 8:26:22pm

Even if they killed the account he’d just make another and another. We know this pattern of behavior well.

2 darthstar  Oct 14, 2014 8:27:28pm

Little girl put on stage to do battle with Darth Vader…bows in allegiance instead.

wimp.com

3 darthstar  Oct 14, 2014 8:28:35pm

re: #1 Rightwingconspirator

Even if they killed the account he’d just make another and another. We know this pattern of behavior well.

But he’d at least have to start over with zero followers.

4 darthstar  Oct 14, 2014 8:29:39pm

Twitter doesn’t have rules, they have click counts. CCJ is good for clicks.

5 otoc  Oct 14, 2014 8:30:18pm

@Charles, too long to tweet so here is what I posted in the DC Betsy article…

@betsy, I read your article several times and failed to see where “Johnson2” said “Johnson1” was scum. I also have trouble how you came to the title that “Johnson2” got “Johnson1” kicked off Twitter the second time. As to the general issue here, as a professional journalist, I’m sure you are aware of Society of Professional Journalist Code of Ethics. If not, and since your article indicates either ignorance or a lack of acceptance, here’s a link. I’d be interested in hearing your comments in the spirit of ethical journalism.

spj.org

…at least we had 12 hours of interwebby sanity. ;)

6 Charles Johnson  Oct 14, 2014 8:31:39pm
7 Varek Raith  Oct 14, 2014 8:32:50pm

Figures.
Rules, who needs em?!

8 freetoken  Oct 14, 2014 8:36:07pm

We expected this.

Twitter only cares about money, and that means use of their product, and CCJ increases the use of twitter.

9 freetoken  Oct 14, 2014 8:37:29pm

Speaking of threats - America, we love our guns:

After death threats, feminist speaker has to cancel talk because of Utah’s open carry laws

10 teleskiguy  Oct 14, 2014 8:41:55pm

re: #8 freetoken

Twitter only cares about money, and that means use of their product, and CCJ increases the use of twitter.

11 jaunte  Oct 14, 2014 8:44:30pm
12 jaunte  Oct 14, 2014 8:46:37pm
A Twitter spokespersonbot emailed: “We evaluate and refine our policies based on input from users, while working with outside organizations to ensure that we have industry best practices in place.”
yahoo.com

Yadda yadda blah blah.

13 austin_blue  Oct 14, 2014 8:51:25pm

He’s just a harmless, misunderstood, high school newspaper editor.

With a whack RWNJ agenda.

And no scruples.

And a paranoid streak as wide as the Mississippi River in spring flood.

Outside of that, he is one helluva journalist!

14 HappyWarrior  Oct 14, 2014 8:52:21pm

Some Twitter Gulag.

15 austin_blue  Oct 14, 2014 8:53:36pm

re: #11 jaunte

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Teach the controversy!

16 dholmes32  Oct 14, 2014 8:56:00pm

re: #9 freetoken

Speaking of threats - America, we love our guns:

After death threats, feminist speaker has to cancel talk because of Utah’s open carry laws

I don’t blame Sarkeesian at all. The death threat was very clear: the writer said he would turn it into a Montreal massacre. That’s a very specific feminist threat. I don’t think I could have stood in front of an audience, not knowing if some person had guns all over his person and was ready to use them.

I guess the First Amendment is just going to have to take a back seat to this unbridled Second Amendment. /sarcasm

17 freetoken  Oct 14, 2014 9:04:34pm

Off topic already, but I think this is not unrelated to the emotional investment in stoopid that has infected part of the American public.

The Houston Chronicle posts a story with an internet tag (that is, what news aggregators are showing) of “You survived the hottest month”, even though that is not the title on the actual webpage, but sort of hints at the real problem of “optics” and phrasing of issues, in this case “surviving” implies “see, you lived, so there.”

Here’s the title:

NASA records confirm September as hottest month ever

Ok, fine, same story headline and same basic idea showing up in a thousand other articles worldwide.

But then the Chron throws this in:

According to Reporting Climate Science, September did not rank as the hottest month on record in satellite measurements of the global “lower troposphere,” or lowest part of Earth’s atmosphere.

Instead, September 2014 tied with September 2011 as the seventh warmest September in records dating back to December 1978, according to satellite data released by the University of Alabama in Huntsville.

There is something very subtle going on here which the average reader will miss; it’s a form of mimicry.

In this case, the website linked in the Chron article, Reporting Climate Science, has a name (and a claim on its website) that sounds all nice and sciencey but the site is really about being a super-sophisticated MBF-machine, with the aim of convincing people that the “science” is not settled but that there are two sides to almost anything reported regarding “climate”.

Article after article on the webpage interjects, in between press released type of information, something from Spencer or Christy or their allies.

Indeed, the article linked by the Chron has a part in it about Spencer.

This puts the Chron’s internet tag line in a new light, and supports my idea that the real meaning behind “You survived the hottest month” really is meant to downplay the idea of last month being the warmest on record.

It’s this type of adaptation - a psychological/political one - that will in the long run prove most discouraging to any large effort at mitigation. We humans can magical-balance-fairy our way through any issue, any issue at all. I suspect it arises from some ancient adaptation strategy - of finding ways to cope with our social environment - but in this case the net result is that we’d rather tell ourselves that the science really is not settled, to keep from feeling as if we really, really need to do something.

18 Kragar  Oct 14, 2014 9:05:30pm

re: #16 dholmes32

I don’t blame Sarkeesian at all. The death threat was very clear: the writer said he would turn it into a Montreal massacre. That’s a very specific feminist threat. I don’t think I could have stood in front of an audience, not knowing if some person had guns all over his person and was ready to use them.

I guess the First Amendment is just going to have to take a back seat to this unbridled Second Amendment. /sarcasm

“If she doesn’t want to talk about it, it must not be a real problem or she’s lying.” - Men’s Rights Advocate (AKA Douchebros)

19 Kragar  Oct 14, 2014 9:06:52pm
20 The War TARDIS  Oct 14, 2014 9:08:40pm

I see the GamerGate assholes have graduated to terrorism.

21 Kragar  Oct 14, 2014 9:13:26pm

A reply to the tweet in 19

22 jaunte  Oct 14, 2014 9:18:00pm

re: #21 Kragar

She seems nice.

23 Kragar  Oct 14, 2014 9:18:47pm
24 Amory Blaine  Oct 14, 2014 9:22:14pm

Chad Kroeger Reveals Haters Are Responsible For Nickelback’s Continued Existence

Chad Kroeger, lead vocalist and guitarist of Nickelback, has responded to the crowdfunding campaign determined to ban his band from ever entering the U.K. again. He loves it.

In an interview with Pulse of the Radio, Kroeger explained how he finds all the controversy that continuously circles his personal life and band hilarious.

“All these critics, they’re just tireless,” Kroeger told Pulse of the Radio. “They keep ragging on the band. If they had stopped writing all this stuff about us, there would be no controversy left in the band and we probably would have died out years ago. They don’t know that they’re still responsible for us being around today.”

25 klys  Oct 14, 2014 9:26:13pm

OH MAN tickets to go see hockey from really nice seats.

I’ll be seeing Columbus play San Jose!

26 HappyWarrior  Oct 14, 2014 9:26:19pm

re: #24 Amory Blaine

Chad Kroeger Reveals Haters Are Responsible For Nickelback’s Continued Existence

He’s probably right. Nickleback is one of those bands that is famous for being hated. Have to say I never got the whole Nickleback sucks thing. I mean I’m sure it wouldn’t be my cup of tea musicwise but the negative reactions they evoke by their sheer mention amuses me.

27 teleskiguy  Oct 14, 2014 9:27:02pm

re: #25 klys

OH MAN tickets to go see hockey from really nice seats.

I’ll be seeing Columbus play San Jose!

Avs lost in OT against the Leafs tonight.

:(

28 teleskiguy  Oct 14, 2014 9:28:59pm

UpChuck has been unleashed on Twitter, and it’s as repulsive as you could imagine, maybe more so.

29 klys  Oct 14, 2014 9:32:45pm

re: #27 teleskiguy

Avs lost in OT against the Leafs tonight.

:(

I actually paid for the NHL “let me stream all the games” package this year and it has been fantastic in that I can now watch hockey pretty much whenever I want (because oh man so many games).

They are amazing for background noise.

I should process photos from visiting my sister because we went to the intra-team game and had fantastic seats (right up against the glass) for a division 1 team and I got to play with photography.

30 Charles Johnson  Oct 14, 2014 9:38:46pm
31 Charles Johnson  Oct 14, 2014 9:38:56pm
32 Charles Johnson  Oct 14, 2014 9:39:48pm
33 teleskiguy  Oct 14, 2014 9:40:26pm

re: #31 Charles Johnson

@Green_Footballs:I suggest RTing every offensive tweet by @ChuckCJohnson and copying it to @support and @safety.

So that’s how you control Twitter!

34 Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 14, 2014 9:41:50pm

Begun the Charles wars have.

35 teleskiguy  Oct 14, 2014 9:42:11pm
36 Charles Johnson  Oct 14, 2014 9:44:29pm
37 freetoken  Oct 14, 2014 9:45:27pm

Sad that so many people around the net are being taken in by “reportingclimatescience.com”.

It’s run by a Brit, who specializes in using science for propaganda, Leon Clifford:

Leon Clifford is a writer and a consultant. His speciality is simplifying complexity. He has a BSc in Physics-with-Astrophysics and worked for many years as a journalist covering science, technology and business stories. He also has substantial experience of senior management in media and is comfortable operating at board level on marketing and communications projects. He is happy to manage commercial projects including PR, marketing and internal communications as well as work on editorial projects for publishers - especially those involving extremely technical content. His services range from copy writing through to delivery of complex media projects. He works across all media including print, live events, websites and social media. Recent projects have included contributing to a book on quantum mechanics, advising on PR/marketing for a corporate and advising on social media for an eCommerce platform. Leon also edits a climate science website - reportingclimatescience.com.

Sounds all impressive, which all self-promoting exercises tend to be. So let’s take a look at his other website, which bears his name: leonclifford.com and see what we can find:

EBOLA!!EBOLA!!EBOLA!!EBOLA!!EBOLA!!EBOLA!!EBOLA!!

Including:

“EBOLA HAS SPREAD THROUGH THE AIR BETWEEN ANIMALS BUT NOT HUMANS - SO FAR”

What else do we find:

- Global warming pause over and over…

- It’s the sun, the sun!

- concern about collapse of US power and Western civ

Clifford is probably a closeted UKIPer or such, that type of Brit that is well educated in the use of language (which is impresses American audiences in particular) but is just pushing the same old bull.

More syllables and longer paragraphs does not make for better insight if not harnessed towards addressing the heart of issues.

It’s all puffery (not unlike NRO) to lure the ignorant into thinking something profound is going on, when all that is being done is dressing up the old biases in new, shiny clothing.

Yet American news outlets like the Chron will put his PR work inside a story as if it’s some sort of neutral news.

38 Single-handed sailor  Oct 14, 2014 9:47:24pm

re: #36 Charles Johnson

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Does he not understand the word ‘dox’?

39 teleskiguy  Oct 14, 2014 9:50:54pm

UpChuck is in rare form tonight on Twitter. That’s saying something.

40 freetoken  Oct 14, 2014 9:52:00pm

re: #39 teleskiguy

UpChuck is in rare form tonight on Twitter. That’s saying something.

Is it a public demonstration of infantile need, really, really needing attention?

I expect this unchecked destructive behavior to end him up in real trouble.

41 BeachDem  Oct 14, 2014 9:52:29pm

re: #38 Single-handed sailor

Does he not understand the word ‘dox’?

“When I use a word,’ Humpty DumptyLittle Chuckie C. said in rather a scornful tone, ‘it means just what I choose it to mean — neither more nor less.’

42 jaunte  Oct 14, 2014 9:53:27pm

43 Charles Johnson  Oct 14, 2014 10:00:11pm
44 Charles Johnson  Oct 14, 2014 10:01:38pm
45 CuriousLurker  Oct 14, 2014 10:03:34pm

re: #42 jaunte

Charles C. Johnson
@ChuckCJohnson

I’m not messing around anymore. I’m raising the black flag. I’m taking no quarter and expect no quarter. #GotNews

12:48 AM - 15 Oct 2014

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Oh shit, he’s going jihadi & joining ISIS?? //

46 TedStriker  Oct 14, 2014 10:06:40pm

re: #42 jaunte

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47 CuriousLurker  Oct 14, 2014 10:10:23pm

re: #43 Charles Johnson

Sounds like you hit a nerve. Try not to lose any sleep worrying about his lawyer. //

48 teleskiguy  Oct 14, 2014 10:12:32pm

re: #43 Charles Johnson

@arkyhawg blows it out of the water! I’m still giggling!

49 wheat-dogghazi-bola  Oct 14, 2014 10:13:14pm

Celebrity death match on Twitter:

So far, it looks like Charles “Ponytail” Johnson has Chuck “The Ginger” Johnson on the ropes. But The Ginger is coming back for more! Stay tuned for the exciting final round!

50 teleskiguy  Oct 14, 2014 10:13:44pm
51 Varek Raith  Oct 14, 2014 10:17:31pm

What a silly fool he is.

52 teleskiguy  Oct 14, 2014 10:20:27pm

It’d be funny if it were performance art. But this fucker is serious. UpChuck is a disgusting troglodyte, a truly awful human being

53 Testy Toad T  Oct 14, 2014 10:23:47pm

Anybody who uses Twitter is at least slightly complicit.

None of this is surprising. This is your service. This is who you use to disseminate your thoughts. This is the platform you share with him. None of this is mandatory.

If you continue, well, enjoy.

54 Varek Raith  Oct 14, 2014 10:28:06pm

re: #52 teleskiguy

It’d be funny if it were performance art. But this fucker is serious. UpChuck is a disgusting troglodyte, a truly awful human being

You’re right.
Sorry about that.

55 Charles Johnson  Oct 14, 2014 10:31:24pm

re: #53 Testy Toad T

It’s not that simple. I rely on advertising and traffic to keep LGF operating and pay the bills, and I don’t have the option of ignoring a service like Twitter, with close to a billion users. These days Twitter and Facebook account for the majority of LGF’s traffic, and if I ignored them or didn’t participate in them, there would be no LGF any more.

Just a fact of life in today’s Internet.

56 freetoken  Oct 14, 2014 10:34:24pm

re: #55 Charles Johnson

The miasma of the mercantile media.

57 TedStriker  Oct 14, 2014 10:36:30pm

re: #53 Testy Toad T

Anybody who uses Twitter is at least slightly complicit.

None of this is surprising. This is your service. This is who you use to disseminate your thoughts. This is the platform you share with him. None of this is mandatory.

If you continue, well, enjoy.

So you’d rather us leave him to his little echo chamber rather than mock and pillory him, just because Twitter’s too fucking chicken to ban his ass after the second time in a week he’s violated their TOS on personal info (and who he literally told to fuck off)?

Fuck that…he’s a shitlord that’s going to end up getting someone hurt with his shit. So, we continue mocking him, while continuing to report his ass to Twitter, because it’s all we can really do while working within their system.

Ignoring him or staying off Twitter doesn’t do a damn bit of good and it isn’t really a viable option. The more he does this, the more grief he causes Twitter; sooner or later, when he starts costing Twitter more money than his presence is worth, he’ll get his, but hopefully before he does something really heinous.

58 CuriousLurker  Oct 14, 2014 10:37:14pm

re: #53 Testy Toad T

Anybody who uses Twitter is at least slightly complicit.

None of this is surprising. This is your service. This is who you use to disseminate your thoughts. This is the platform you share with him. None of this is mandatory.

If you continue, well, enjoy.

The internet at large isn’t any better, yet here you are.

59 freetoken  Oct 14, 2014 10:37:26pm

re: #53 Testy Toad T

It’s very difficult for any online service to ignore Facebook or Twitter.

Just as their founders and then equity owners have hoped, those online services are to today’s society what NBC, CBS and ABC were to America 40 years ago - the vehicles for reaching the masses.

60 TedStriker  Oct 14, 2014 10:50:54pm
61 Charles Johnson  Oct 14, 2014 10:52:42pm

I totally understand anyone not wanting to get involved in Twitter or Facebook; there’s a lot of negativity and triviality and all the worst aspects of humanity are on display. (See Chuck Johnson.)

But there’s also a huge amount of opportunity to bring visitors to a site like LGF, and with the proper tools it’s possible to screen out most of the negativity and craziness.

This is why I sometimes ask you folks to retweet articles if you have Twitter accounts, because every little bit of spreading the word out there really does help keep this site going.

62 TedStriker  Oct 14, 2014 10:59:02pm

re: #61 Charles Johnson

I totally understand anyone not wanting to get involved in Twitter or Facebook; there’s a lot of negativity and triviality and all the worst aspects of humanity are on display. (See Chuck Johnson.)

But there’s also a huge amount of opportunity to bring visitors to a site like LGF, and with the proper tools it’s possible to screen out most of the negativity and craziness.

This is why I sometimes ask you folks to retweet articles if you have Twitter accounts, because every little bit of spreading the word out there really does help keep this site going.

Facebook can just go DIAF for all I care, because most of the crap on it that I’ve seen is mostly people ego-tripping (LOOK AT ME LOOK AT ME I’M AN ATTENTION WHORE AND I PUT MY WHOLE LIFE ONLINE FOR ALL TO SEE!!!), but Twitter, with its character limit per message, is a bit more restrained, but not by much.

Now, if we can just get them to enforce their own TOS with shitlords like CCJ…

63 teleskiguy  Oct 14, 2014 11:08:39pm

Hey, even I can stoop to name-calling on Twitter.

64 makeitstop  Oct 14, 2014 11:10:03pm

re: #63 teleskiguy

Hey, even I can stoop to name-calling on Twitter.

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65 TedStriker  Oct 14, 2014 11:14:24pm

re: #63 teleskiguy

Hey, even I can stoop to name-calling on Twitter.

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66 sagehen  Oct 14, 2014 11:14:55pm

Sons of Anarchy

Click to Reveal

The bloodbath continues. I’m beginning to think that by the end of the season, Wayne Unser’s going to be the only one still standing. I’m picturing the Talking Dead “In Memoriam” segment, with just the right music as we revisit the fallen each episode…

My main requirement for a satisfying ending is that Gemma cannot go to her grave with her secret untold. Jax needs to know, and she has to see his face when he finds out (also, his face has to be expressive enough at that moment to win Charlie Hunnam an Emmy). Although at this point, I’m not so sure she’ll still be sane.

67 The Ghost of a Flea (R)  Oct 14, 2014 11:26:55pm

re: #63 teleskiguy

Hey, even I can stoop to name-calling on Twitter.

I’m fairly confident that CCJ rises no higher than a Duke in the ranks of fecal peerage.

68 Single-handed sailor  Oct 14, 2014 11:41:25pm

When Death is on your doorstep, give him a full-size Snickers.

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69 BadExampleMan  Oct 15, 2014 12:00:22am

<pedant>flouting, not flaunting</pedant>

70 Varek Raith  Oct 15, 2014 12:07:33am

I think KT is descending into Benghazi nonsense.
SMH.

71 Kragar  Oct 15, 2014 12:12:46am
72 Kragar  Oct 15, 2014 12:22:30am
73 goddamnedfrank  Oct 15, 2014 12:46:03am
74 Viscous Obama  Oct 15, 2014 12:46:41am

re: #35 teleskiguy

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Yeah, well, I’m grateful LGF isn’t plastered with NewsMax ads.

75 goddamnedfrank  Oct 15, 2014 12:48:45am

He’s totes drunk now.

76 freetoken  Oct 15, 2014 12:53:07am

This caught my eye:

Apple and Facebook to pay female staff to freeze their eggs

77 Targetpractice  Oct 15, 2014 12:53:16am

A guy who is feeding a lynch mob tries to argue that doing so is in the interest of “public safety.” No, I can’t understand why people would have a problem with that.

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78 Kragar  Oct 15, 2014 12:55:50am

re: #75 goddamnedfrank

He’s totes drunk now.

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79 Targetpractice  Oct 15, 2014 12:58:37am

re: #78 Kragar

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Does he really want to compare himself to a liberal icon whose imprisonment was ordered by a government that conservatives (including St. Ron) supported on the grounds that it was better than communism?

80 The Ghost of a Flea (R)  Oct 15, 2014 12:59:56am

re: #75 goddamnedfrank

He’s totes drunk now.

“I am a river thin, spattery pee stream to my people.” —CCJ

81 KiTA  Oct 15, 2014 1:34:57am

Fascinating reading by a gaming personality re: Twitter Death Threats and the handling therein:

82 Varek Raith  Oct 15, 2014 2:13:27am

2nd healthcare worker tests positive for Ebola at Dallas hospital
WTH is with this hospital?
Are we this blase with it?
Sheesh.

83 freetoken  Oct 15, 2014 2:15:38am

re: #82 Varek Raith

Is this still possible infection from his first visit, from when Duncan was sent home with the 103F fever?

84 freetoken  Oct 15, 2014 2:19:13am

MP3 Audio

85 Targetpractice  Oct 15, 2014 2:19:27am

re: #82 Varek Raith

2nd healthcare worker tests positive for Ebola at Dallas hospital
WTH is with this hospital?
Are we this blase with it?
Sheesh.

Would not surprise me. Let’s be honest, this country has not had a major health emergency in a long while. I talked to an ER nurse on another board I frequent and the general feeling I got from her is that staff are having to reach all the way back to medical school for their training in how to handle such patients. They get refresher courses and such, but for the most part that’s treated like fire drills: Nobody really does much besides going through the motions, with even the admins just happy with “good enough” so they can check that box off on the proper government forms.

86 freetoken  Oct 15, 2014 2:20:42am

re: #85 Targetpractice

Would not surprise me. Let’s be honest, this country has not had a major health emergency in a long while.

Well, there’s AIDS, which forced our health care providers to up a lot of precautions.

87 Targetpractice  Oct 15, 2014 2:27:30am

re: #86 freetoken

Well, there’s AIDS, which forced our health care providers to up a lot of precautions.

True, but caution when dealing with HIV-positive patients has declined as the reality of how difficult it is to get infected without direct contact with infected blood has set in. Ebola is a whole different kettle of fish, as virtually all bodily fluids pose an infection risk.

88 freetoken  Oct 15, 2014 2:33:27am

I’ve lost all patience for supposedly serious media folk trying to do anything but call the truth:

How Ebola Makes Conservatives More Conservative

[…]

So why are conservatives so concerned about the southern border in the wake of Ebola? Psychology has an answer: Ebola is making conservatives more conservative.

[…]

Unless the author means “hater” by the word “conservative” the article doesn’t really make sense. Pop psychology is no excuse for hate-mongers.

89 freetoken  Oct 15, 2014 2:35:31am

And now:

Ebola: Tear gas fired in Freetown after body left on street

Police in Freetown, Sierra Leone, have fired tear gas as people took to the streets to complain about the authorities’ handling of the Ebola virus.

They were angry that the body of a woman who died from the disease was left on the street for two days.

US, British, French, German and Italian leaders are due to hold a video conference to talk about what to do next to prevent the spread of the disease.

This kind of breakdown in public health does not speak well for the future.

90 Targetpractice  Oct 15, 2014 2:35:36am

re: #88 freetoken

I’ve lost all patience for supposedly serious media folk trying to do anything but call the truth:

How Ebola Makes Conservatives More Conservative

Unless the author means “hater” by the word “conservative” the article doesn’t really make sense. Pop psychology is no excuse for hate-mongers.

To be fair, virtually every conservative I’ve run into since Duncan’s infection was announced by the CDC has been somewhere on the spectrum between “This just proves we need ‘secure’ borders!” to “OBAMA LET THIS HAPPEN BY NOT DEPORTING ALL THE ILLEGALS!”

91 Targetpractice  Oct 15, 2014 2:39:11am

Scratch that, I did run into one conservative who admitted that border security had nothing to do with Duncan getting into the country…before lambasting the President for not setting out months ago to orchestrate a complex diplomatic agreement that would allow us veto authority over who could enter the US after traveling to Africa.

92 freetoken  Oct 15, 2014 2:40:30am

re: #90 Targetpractice

Yeah, but the publisher, National Journal, is one of those who tries to present a clean face for “conservatives”.

If they simply admitted what is quite evident - that a large swath of self declared “conservatives” in this country are now participating in hate-movements - then the mask would be off for National Journal.

The turn to an even more xenophobic and hate filled position by “conservatives” in this country during the past couple of decades is, I think, the worst part about American polity in my lifetime.

I accept that this is all a reactionary movement to the fast changing society (wrought in part by our nifty new toys), but I really dislike reactionary movements because they are so mindless.

Change is ok, and we must change. Living things change. If you don’t want to change then you might as well be dead.

93 freetoken  Oct 15, 2014 2:47:27am

As I mentioned the other night, derp comes in many flavors:

Ramdev claims cure for Ebola

Even as Yoga guru Baba Ramdev has put out an advertisement offering “a health pack” for preventing Ebola virus, health officials have assured that India, which has had no cases of Ebola so far, is equipped to “contain” the virus and have also cautioned against over-the-counter drugs and concoctions that promise a cure for Ebola.

[…]

94 Viscous Obama  Oct 15, 2014 2:51:00am

re: #93 freetoken

As I mentioned the other night, derp comes in many flavors:

Ramdev claims cure for Ebola

this is all part of obummers (secret muslim) plan to depopulate the western world and allow flexible ISIS fanatics to take America by force

95 Targetpractice  Oct 15, 2014 2:52:24am

re: #92 freetoken

Too many like National Journal are trying to keep the lid on the pot of shit stew that modern conservatism has become because anytime voters get a good whiff of the contents, it leads to major losses at the polls and further loss of political power. The Old-Liners are in a bind, as they know they badly need to clean house and modernize in order to remain relevant, but with campaign financing as it is right now that would just lead to a broken base and very likely the end of the GOP as a serious party in the US.

Personally think it’s all about to come to a head in 2016, when all the bubbling shit under the pot lid boils over. I won’t predict Peak Wingnut, because I’m pretty sure it doesn’t exist, but I will predict that the GOP is set in two years for a massive kick in the pants. Unless they find their unicorn, that moderate Republican that pleases the base without scaring the shit out of everybody else, then they’re left trying to sell neo-Know-Nothingism to voters.

96 Shiplord Kirel  Oct 15, 2014 3:04:16am

re: #82 Varek Raith

2nd healthcare worker tests positive for Ebola at Dallas hospital
WTH is with this hospital?
Are we this blase with it?
Sheesh.

During an interview with Anderson Cooper yesterday, an official of a nurse’s union claimed that workers at Presbyterian Hospital had been provided with completely inadequate protective gear (basically mask and gown stuff rather than real isolation suits) and that Mr. Duncan had been left in an open area of the hospital for six hours before he was moved to isolation. If this is even partially true, it would easily explain two cases of transmission and there could well be more.

97 Varek Raith  Oct 15, 2014 3:10:23am

re: #96 Shiplord Kirel

During an interview with Anderson Cooper yesterday, an official of a nurse’s union claimed that workers at Presbyterian Hospital had been provided with completely inadequate protective gear (basically mask and gown stuff rather than real isolation suits) and that Mr. Duncan had been left in an open area of the hospital for six hours before he was moved to isolation. If this is even partially true, it would easily explain two cases of transmission and there could well be more.

Sigh…

98 Targetpractice  Oct 15, 2014 3:21:46am

re: #96 Shiplord Kirel

During an interview with Anderson Cooper yesterday, an official of a nurse’s union claimed that workers at Presbyterian Hospital had been provided with completely inadequate protective gear (basically mask and gown stuff rather than real isolation suits) and that Mr. Duncan had been left in an open area of the hospital for six hours before he was moved to isolation. If this is even partially true, it would easily explain two cases of transmission and there could well be more.

If true, this hospital is a massive tort waiting to happen. Is this the same hospital that he was taken to the first time?

99 Kragar  Oct 15, 2014 3:32:18am
100 Targetpractice  Oct 15, 2014 3:39:22am

re: #99 Kragar

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And now begins the Inquisition.

101 Fineday  Oct 15, 2014 3:50:20am

Yep. Another victim for Chucky to hang out and harass. As if contracting Ebola was not enough.

102 Targetpractice  Oct 15, 2014 3:56:28am

Just read an opinion piece over at TheHill by Juan Williams and it has given me hope even in the face of a possible GOP Senate majority. Let’s say for a second that they do indeed win the majority, even win it with 55 “wave.” The party infighting in the House that has made Boehner the “Most Ineffective Speaker Ever” will spread to the Senate, with every major bill likely leading to a very public fight between the “moderates” and the TPer wingnuts. Some dark part of me thrills at the idea of McConnell winning a squeaker reelection, only to spend the next two years fighting with Ted Cruz over who is the real Majority Leader.

103 Dr. Matt  Oct 15, 2014 4:00:37am
104 Varek Raith  Oct 15, 2014 4:20:38am

re: #99 Kragar

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What a dick.
He needs to be perma-banned.

105 Vicious Piebola  Oct 15, 2014 4:23:39am
106 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Oct 15, 2014 4:23:42am

re: #88 freetoken

Ebola taps into those very wellsprings of xenophobia, ignorance and blind rage that have become by-words for “conservative values”.

107 Targetpractice  Oct 15, 2014 4:25:28am

Ah, I so love it. HuffPo’s report on the nurse’s union press conference focuses on how poorly Texas Health Presbyterian implemented CDC protocols and how hospital officials wouldn’t even put him in isolation until a nurse supervisor demanded it be done.

Meanwhile, the staff over at Breitbart are relying on last night’s AC360 to shift the blame over to the CDC, claiming that hospitals weren’t ready because the protocols are constantly shifting and that the resources for treating Ebola are inadequate. That the CDC has taken little to no interest in actually helping hospitals prepare for possible cases.

108 Targetpractice  Oct 15, 2014 4:26:17am

re: #105 Pie-onist Overlord

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Yes, find us everybody we can turn into targets for the public’s fear and anger.

All in the name of “public safety,” of course./////

109 Vicious Piebola  Oct 15, 2014 4:31:28am

TEH STUPIDS, I JUST CAN’T EVEN

110 Targetpractice  Oct 15, 2014 4:33:03am

re: #109 Pie-onist Overlord

TEH STUPIDS, I JUST CAN’T EVEN

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You mean think how the white man wiped out 20 million natives? Why would he want to bring that up?

111 RealityBasedEbola  Oct 15, 2014 4:33:57am

All I can think of is this line from Serenity

You know, in certain older civilized cultures, when men failed as entirely as you have, they would throw themselves on their swords.

112 Timothy Watson  Oct 15, 2014 4:36:22am

re: #109 Pie-onist Overlord

TEH STUPIDS, I JUST CAN’T EVEN

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Uh…the American Indians weren’t genetically diverse?

113 EbolaSpotinAL  Oct 15, 2014 4:36:50am

re: #110 Targetpractice

You mean think how the white man wiped out 20 million natives? Why would he want to bring that up?

And right after Columbus Day.

114 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Oct 15, 2014 4:42:51am

re: #109 Pie-onist Overlord

TEH STUPIDS, I JUST CAN’T EVEN

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Award winning speculative journalism at its best

115 Targetpractice  Oct 15, 2014 4:43:20am

re: #112 Timothy Watson

Uh…the American Indians weren’t genetically diverse?

This is what happens when ones understanding of virology could be written on a 3x5 note card. So far every American who has caught the disease has done so through negligence, primarily touching exposed skin with contaminated gloves or other medical gear instead of following strict safety protocols. With the exceptions of Duncan and the NBC cameraman, every other victim so far has been either a doctor or nurse working with infected patients.

116 iceweasel  Oct 15, 2014 4:47:13am

Hello LGF!

To go back to the original topic for a moment, I don’t expect twitter to take action anytime soon. The failure of most bodies to act against internet stalking and harrassment is just appalling. I have a friend who was stalked online by a woman whose website he designed— that was the extent of their contact but ten years later, if you google him—or his business—you still get pages she set up calling him a rapist and murderer (!).

I know other stories of internet harrassment and have one of my own (not related to LGF). It’s just horrible how companies don’t take it seriously.

117 freetoken  Oct 15, 2014 4:48:03am

re: #109 Pie-onist Overlord

Beyond stupid. As a nation of recent immigrants our population is about as genetically diverse as it comes, like in Brazil.

CCJ really is acting out some infantilism. Like a baby who can’t control his orifices, that is CCJ.

118 freetoken  Oct 15, 2014 4:50:40am

re: #112 Timothy Watson

Uh…the American Indians weren’t genetically diverse?

I think what CCJ is trying to refer to is how unprepared the Native Americans were for European diseases. It is known that there were large deaths among the natives after Columbus, and not at the end of a sword.

But it’s stupid, because now 500 years later the population of this continent is thoroughly mixed.

Ebola is very contagious through contact. But that is two too many ideas for CCJ to understand.

119 Targetpractice  Oct 15, 2014 4:53:51am

re: #118 freetoken

I think what CCJ is trying to refer to is how unprepared the Native Americans were for European diseases. It is known that there were large deaths among the natives after Columbus, and not at the end of a sword.

But it’s stupid, because now 500 years later the population of this continent is thoroughly mixed.

Ebola is very contagious through contact. But that is two too many ideas for CCJ to understand.

Helps to remember that Chucky’s fan base are the sort of folks who are convinced that Ebola is an airborne plague and that the CDC is knowingly keeping people in the dark about that fact for some nefarious purpose.

120 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Oct 15, 2014 4:55:40am

re: #119 Targetpractice

Helps to remember that Chucky’s fan base are the sort of folks who are convinced that Ebola is an airborne plague and that the CDC is knowingly keeping people in the dark about that fact for some nefarious purpose.

and people who have almost no idea about genetics, virology or disease control beyond the few facts they need to fuel their bigotry, xenophobia and rage.

121 Timothy Watson  Oct 15, 2014 4:57:39am

re: #118 freetoken

I think what CCJ is trying to refer to is how unprepared the Native Americans were for European diseases. It is known that there were large deaths among the natives after Columbus, and not at the end of a sword.

But it’s stupid, because now 500 years later the population of this continent is thoroughly mixed.

Ebola is very contagious through contact. But that is two too many ideas for CCJ to understand.

Also makes no sense since the virus is only 40 years old and it’s not like anyone in Africa has an immunity to it.

Besides, according to the RWNJs, diversity is bad.

122 Dr. Matt  Oct 15, 2014 4:58:32am

In addition to being a virologist, UpChuck is now a population geneticist. Amusing.

123 Targetpractice  Oct 15, 2014 4:58:35am

re: #120 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

and people who have almost no idea about genetics, virology or disease control beyond the few facts they need to fuel their bigotry, xenophobia and rage.

And Chucky is feeding this stupidity, whether out of a genuine conviction that Ebola is a superplague or because he has all the morals of a scam artist. Personally don’t know which I find more pathetic.

124 freetoken  Oct 15, 2014 4:59:31am

The BBC is trying to get ahead of the idiocy:

#BBCtrending: How panic about Ebola is spreading faster than the virus

125 Vicious Piebola  Oct 15, 2014 5:00:29am

re: #122 Dr. Matt

In addition to being a virologist, UpChuck is now a population geneticist. Amusing.

HE READ THE BELL CURVE!!!!! HE KNOWS TEH SCIENCES!!!!!!

126 Targetpractice  Oct 15, 2014 5:01:19am

re: #122 Dr. Matt

In addition to being a virologist, UpChuck is now a population geneticist. Amusing.

Charles C Johnson: Renaissance Dipshit.

127 freetoken  Oct 15, 2014 5:02:48am

re: #121 Timothy Watson

Also makes no sense since the virus is only 40 years old and it’s not like anyone in Africa has an immunity to it.

Besides, according to the RWNJs, diversity is bad.

The virus itself has probably been around for a very long time. Ebola has only been known for a few decades, but like HIV it could have hung around for a very long time before the recent pandemic.

What is new is the increasingly high population density of west Africa. I do wonder how the public health systems will hold up in those countries, that is why I linked the story upstream about the protest over the poor handling of an ebola victim.

128 Dr. Matt  Oct 15, 2014 5:04:13am
129 Dr. Matt  Oct 15, 2014 5:09:11am

UpChuck is to Ebola like GG is to the NSA

130 freetoken  Oct 15, 2014 5:09:21am

The British tabloids are having a heyday with yesterday’s statement from the WHO about the need to reach the 70% containment level in 60 days.

For example:

Countdown to catastrophe: UN warns world has just 60 DAYS to stop Ebola outbreak

[…]

Now cases have been confirmed across the world, and many believe it’s only a matter of time before it hits Britain.

[…]

Um, like, 4 new cases, the transmission of which have all been accounted for.

131 freetoken  Oct 15, 2014 5:10:52am

Live presser from Dallas:

click2houston.com?

132 Dr. Matt  Oct 15, 2014 5:11:41am

Ugh

133 Targetpractice  Oct 15, 2014 5:15:00am

re: #132 Dr. Matt

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Ugh

Take a good, long look. These are the sorts of dipshits who will walk over hot broken glass to get to the polls next month and vote Republican. We’re fucked.

134 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Oct 15, 2014 5:16:30am

re: #132 Dr. Matt

So I watched World War Z last night and pick up some tips. The biggest tip is: Stop the spread of Ebola before it gets to that point.

WTFitty Fing F?

Actually, the novel, WWZ is a good parable of how an epidemic spreads in our society: first the authorities ignore it, then they try to cover it up in order to avoid spreading “panic”, all of which actually aids the spread of the epidemic until it becomes a major catastrophe.

But that is not what the movie is about…

135 Targetpractice  Oct 15, 2014 5:17:43am

re: #134 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

WTFitty Fing F?

Actually, the novel, WWZ is a good parable of how an epidemic spreads in our society: first the authorities ignore it, then they try to cover it up in order to avoid spreading “panic”, all of which actually aids the spread of the epidemic until it becomes a major catastrophe.

But that is not what the movie is about…

The movie’s two hours of watching Brad Pitt get other people killed.

136 Vicious Piebola  Oct 15, 2014 5:18:24am

WTFITS

137 Dr. Matt  Oct 15, 2014 5:19:32am

re: #134 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

But that is not what the movie is about…

The movie is about staying away Brad Pitt because wherever he showed up turned into an absolute shit show. Sometimes associations are causal.

138 freetoken  Oct 15, 2014 5:21:18am

Meanwhile, in central Asia:

With Decisive Vote, Kyrgyzstan Moves to Adopt Russian Anti-Gay Law

Lawmakers in Kyrgyzstan have voted overwhelmingly to adopt a tougher version of Russia’s so-called “gay propaganda” law. The Kyrgyz version mandates jail terms for gay-rights activists and others, including journalists, who create “a positive attitude toward non-traditional sexual relations.

[…]

139 Targetpractice  Oct 15, 2014 5:21:31am

If anything, the World War Z film is a great example of the sort of media that leads people to assuming that disease outbreaks are impossible to combat, short of shooting infected persons and burning the corpses. Meanwhile, Nigeria is five days away from being ruled by WHO as Ebola-free and the CDC just sent a team to study how they combated the disease within their borders.

140 Dr. Matt  Oct 15, 2014 5:22:57am

It’s only a matter of time before #UpChuck gets himself suspended from twitter again. I’ll set an egg-timer.

141 Belafon  Oct 15, 2014 5:29:34am

re: #135 Targetpractice

I thought the movie was 2 hours of Brad Pitt trying to do the right thing with his wife and kids whining. After we saw the movie, I turned to my kids and said “Do not ever be like his daughters.”

142 Vicious Piebola  Oct 15, 2014 5:39:00am

You know what violates privacy rights? Glenn Greenwald & Chucky C publishing people’s private information.

143 Targetpractice  Oct 15, 2014 5:40:24am

The appeal of the World War Z novel was that it was realistic, it actually dealt with the idea of a global zombie plague in ways that makes it frighteningly possible. The cover-ups, the irrational behavior, the widespread infections due to things like back-alley organ transplants and fleeing refugees. And the rapid collapse of civilization when all the bullshit and lies about how the plague wasn’t a problem shattered along with people’s windows and doors.

The movie? The movie might as well have been sold as a reboot of 28 Days Later.

144 Bubblehead II  Oct 15, 2014 5:40:37am

re: #140 Dr. Matt

It’s only a matter of time before #UpChuck gets himself suspended from twitter again. I’ll set an egg-timer.

Yep. I reported his tweet asking for personal info as well as retweeting Charles last two tweets. We’ll just have to wait and see how long it takes them to do something about him.

145 Dr. Matt  Oct 15, 2014 5:41:52am

re: #144 Bubblehead II

Yep. I reported his tweet asking for personal info as well as retweeting Charles last two tweets. We’ll just have to wait and see how long it takes them to do something about him.

Will third time be a charm?

…..doubt it. But, it will be worth it just to simply annoy the bearded ginger.

146 Eventual Carrion  Oct 15, 2014 5:46:27am

re: #9 freetoken

Speaking of threats - America, we love our guns:

After death threats, feminist speaker has to cancel talk because of Utah’s open carry laws

Terrorists are the same all over the world.

147 FemNaziBitch  Oct 15, 2014 5:49:27am

Halloween Kitteh!

148 otoc  Oct 15, 2014 5:50:32am

I have trouble understanding CCJ logic, it jumps away from the question posed.

149 Vicious Piebola  Oct 15, 2014 5:51:27am
150 FemNaziBitch  Oct 15, 2014 5:52:19am

re: #135 Targetpractice

The movie’s two hours of watching Brad Pitt get other people killed.

The last Brad Pitt movie I watched was Killing Them Softly — Strange movie with the most awesome final line:

“America isn’t a country, it’s a business. NOW, PAY ME.”

151 Vicious Piebola  Oct 15, 2014 5:52:28am

Can he do a SWATing of Charles?

152 SteelPH  Oct 15, 2014 5:54:24am

Good lord. What does it take to get permabanned from Twitter?

Posting others’ personal info doesn’t do it.
Racist diatribes don’t do it.
Death threats don’t do it.
Threatening children doesn’t do it.
Stalking doesn’t do it.
Repeated violation of their Terms of Service doesn’t do it.

WHAT DOES?

153 Lidane  Oct 15, 2014 5:54:35am
154 Vicious Piebola  Oct 15, 2014 5:55:29am
155 otoc  Oct 15, 2014 5:55:43am

re: #151 Pie-onist Overlord

Seems more like he wants to take away first amendment rights of free speech only with others since the nature of Twitter seems to be stalking by his definition. So confusing.

156 Lidane  Oct 15, 2014 5:56:32am
157 Vicious Piebola  Oct 15, 2014 5:58:10am
158 Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 15, 2014 5:59:13am
159 Targetpractice  Oct 15, 2014 5:59:56am

re: #157 Pie-onist Overlord

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Yeah, I wonder how that call went.

“I’d like to report someone stalking me.”

“And just what is this person doing that makes you believe you’re being stalked?”

“He’s retweeting my tweets to Twitter’s safety and support staff and claiming I’m violating the rules!”

*click*

“Hello?”

160 Lidane  Oct 15, 2014 6:03:56am

CCJ reminds me of Cartman in that one episode where he challenges Kyle to a fight then starts crying when he gets a light slap in response.

Like all inveterate bullies, CCJ talks a big game but cries like a bitch at the first bit of pushback.

161 Bulworth  Oct 15, 2014 6:05:17am

re:
#151

I have notified my local police of
@green_footballs stalking me. @safety @support
— Charles C. Johnson (@ChuckCJohnson)

BWaaaaaaahahhwhhahhhhhahahahhhahahaa

162 Lidane  Oct 15, 2014 6:05:41am

Some good news this morning:

163 Lidane  Oct 15, 2014 6:06:58am
164 Bulworth  Oct 15, 2014 6:07:14am

I’d like to report someone on Twitters stalking me. And here is addresses of Ebola patients and their families and here is juvenile records of someone named Michael Brown.

165 Vicious Piebola  Oct 15, 2014 6:10:58am
166 Rightwingconspirator  Oct 15, 2014 6:11:05am

re: #165 Pie-onist Overlord

167 Lidane  Oct 15, 2014 6:11:55am
168 Iwouldprefernotto  Oct 15, 2014 6:12:47am

You would think that a “Real Journalist” would take pride in being harassed a little. People on Nixon’s enemies list were proud of the fact.

169 Vicious Piebola  Oct 15, 2014 6:12:57am
170 Dr. Matt  Oct 15, 2014 6:14:15am

re: #167 Lidane

WTF does any of that mean? Is the assclown drunk this early in the day?

171 FemNaziBitch  Oct 15, 2014 6:14:50am

I want one!

172 Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 15, 2014 6:16:21am
173 Targetpractice  Oct 15, 2014 6:18:53am

re: #167 Lidane

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As noted earlier, the Breitbartians are going with the assertion that the government screwed the pooch on Ebola preparation, that the hospital’s failure to properly prepare is the CDC’s fault and not the hospital admins being morons.

174 Bulworth  Oct 15, 2014 6:19:48am

re:
#167

Ebola outbreaks are a nightmare for Obama. Sense of anarchy; govts ability to do anything right is killing him and Dems.

I thought Obama brought Ebola here to spread anarchy, cancel 2016 elections and take everyone’s gunz?

/

175 Vicious Piebola  Oct 15, 2014 6:20:09am

What a delusional little fuckbag

176 Vicious Piebola  Oct 15, 2014 6:20:34am

He must be having the DT’s after getting shitfaced last night.

177 darthstar  Oct 15, 2014 6:21:00am

re: #173 Targetpractice

If only one of their famous journalists would don a disguise and do a stealth interview with an Ebola victim…we could learn so much about the spread of the disease.

178 bill d  Oct 15, 2014 6:22:22am

HELLO POLICE? SOMEONE IS ILLEGALLY CALLING MY PHONE

179 Bulworth  Oct 15, 2014 6:22:28am

re:
#175

I have phone logs.

Dude, no one cares about your phone logs.

180 Bulworth  Oct 15, 2014 6:24:21am

re:
#178

HELLO POLICE? SOMEONE IS ILLEGALLY CALLING MY PHONE

—
Vilating mah 1st Amendment Raghts!11

181 darthstar  Oct 15, 2014 6:24:38am

re: #175 Pie-onist Overlord

What a delusional little fuckbag

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This is what happens when you engage trolls. Chucky will continue to tweet shit about Charles until something better comes along.

182 darthstar  Oct 15, 2014 6:25:25am

re: #179 Bulworth

re:
#175

Dude, no one cares about your phone logs.

How did Charles publish Chucky’s address on Chucky’s phone logs? That’s the key to this mystery.

183 Vicious Piebola  Oct 15, 2014 6:25:51am
184 Dead Tired  Oct 15, 2014 6:27:32am

re: #181 darthstar

This is what happens when you engage trolls. Chucky will continue to tweet shit about Charles until something better comes along.

Making Chuck respond to our taunts gives him less time to harass others.

185 darthstar  Oct 15, 2014 6:27:47am
186 darthstar  Oct 15, 2014 6:28:49am

re: #184 Editor in Chief

Making Chuck respond to our taunts gives him less time to harass others.

Ask not for whom the tweet trolls…it trolls for thee. Ah, now I get it…sorta.

187 Vogon Poetry  Oct 15, 2014 6:29:24am

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. The news out of Dallas isn’t good as a second person that had treated Mr. Duncan in the hospital has been diagnosed with Ebola. This is the second health professional, and the CYA mode at the hospital is palpable.

They’re trying to blame the CDC for mixed signals. But it appears that the hospital didn’t have the appropriate biohazard gear, and that protocols weren’t followed.

There are no unions at this particular hospital protecting nurses’ rights, so those nurses are talking anonymously to officials of a union that represents nurses - and the story is one that everyone should take heed - especially those who are anti-union and GOPers (but I repeat myself).

National Nurses United, in a conference call with reporters Tuesday, said that several nurses at Texas Health Presbyterian complained of confusion in the days after an Ebola patient was diagnosed there, putting nurses at risk, and that there was little training.

“There was no advance preparedness on what to do with the patient, there was no protocol, there was no system,” the group said in a statement.

The group said it was speaking on behalf of several nurses who work at the hospital and told it their stories, but who are not members of the union. When asked several time for those nurses’ identities, the group declined out of fear those nurses would be retaliated against.

Nurses are the ones who are going to know if the procedures aren’t sufficient since they’re the ones who are doing the most intimate of care (whether it’s feeding, robing/disrobing, helping the patient go to the bathroom, or cleaning a patient if they soil themselves). If they’re saying that things aren’t right, listen to them.

They’re also pointing out that the facility used the pneumatic tube system for his samples, which has potential to spread through the system.

The nurses alleged that:

— Duncan was kept in a non-isolated area of the emergency department for several hours, potentially exposing up to seven other patients to Ebola;

— Patients who may have been exposed to Duncan were kept in isolation only for a day before being moved to areas where there were other patients;

— Nurses treating Duncan were also caring for other patients in the hospital;

— Preparation for Ebola at the hospital amounted to little more than an optional seminar for staff;

— In the face of constantly shifting guidelines, nurses were allowed to follow whichever ones they chose.

The hospital officials also apparently ignored requests by staff to put Duncan in isolation immediately - potentially exposing more people to the disease. That compares with the claim that they isolated the latest patient in 90 minutes.

The new case suggests measures at the Texas Health Presbyterian Hospital in Dallas were unable to prevent the virus from spreading beyond a very sick Thomas Eric Duncan, the Liberian who died there last week.

The worker developed a fever on Tuesday, Dallas County Judge Clay Jenkins told a news conference.

“Within 90 minutes of taking her temperature she was isolated in the hospital,” Jenkins said early Wednesday. “And we hope and pray that, like Nina, she will get on a good track.” Over the weekend 26-year-old nurse Nina Pham was diagnosed with the virus.

Jenkins described the latest health care worker to test positive as “a heroic person, a person who is dedicating her life to serving others.”

The hospital has been fighting allegations by some staff and by an outside nurses union that it didn’t do enough to protect workers. It’s also been fighting off criticism that Duncan, who has died, was mistakenly sent away when he first sought care. He later became very ill and was returned to the hospital by ambulance.

It’s becoming abundantly clear that the hospital screwed up on its handling of Duncan at pretty much every step of the process.

They didn’t have the proper gear on hand, so the nurses used what they had available.

This disease has wrecked the health care systems in West Africa because it hits those who come into direct contact with the victims hardest (health care workers, caregivers, and even the burial details). The

189 FemNaziBitch  Oct 15, 2014 6:30:01am

re: #172 Backwoods_Sleuth

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When the kid was young(er) he called it The Saurus.

190 Vogon Poetry  Oct 15, 2014 6:31:21am

re: #151 Pie-onist Overlord

Chuck in police mode:

Youtube Video

191 FemNaziBitch  Oct 15, 2014 6:31:28am

re: #187 lawhawk

You should make this a Pages Post.

192 Lidane  Oct 15, 2014 6:31:50am

re: #174 Bulworth

re:
#167

I thought Obama brought Ebola here to spread anarchy, cancel 2016 elections and take everyone’s gunz?

/

193 freetoken  Oct 15, 2014 6:32:19am

Not by the un-noted virologist CCJ:

Ebola control: effect of asymptomatic infection and acquired immunity

[…]

Asymptomatic infection could also potentially be directly harnessed to mitigate transmission. If individuals who have cleared asymptomatic infections could be identified reliably, and if they are indeed immune to symptomatic re-infection, they could potentially be recruited to serve as caregivers or to undertake other high-risk disease control tasks, providing a buffer akin to that of ring vaccination.

Recruitment of such individuals might be preferable to enlistment of survivors of symptomatic Ebola disease because survivors might experience psychological trauma or stigmatisation and be fewer in number—in view of the asymptomatic proportions suggested in previous studies1,2 and the low survival rate of symptomatic cases.3

Health-care workers with natural immunity acquired from asymptomatic infection, if identified, could be allocated to care for acutely ill and infectious patients, minimising disease spread to susceptible health-care workers.

[…]

Note that this is a letter, not a peer reviewed article.

Nevertheless, the authors point out that there are probably asymptomatic survivors of an ebola infection and such survivors could be of great value.

194 Vogon Poetry  Oct 15, 2014 6:32:59am

re: #175 Pie-onist Overlord

195 Lidane  Oct 15, 2014 6:33:03am

Wheee!

196 Targetpractice  Oct 15, 2014 6:33:51am

re: #187 lawhawk

The initial outbreak began almost four months ago, so the idea that the hospital had to wait for the CDC to tell them how to prepare for the possibility of an Ebola-positive patient showing up in the US just does not hold water. This hospital chose, in the interests of profit motive, not to properly prepare and now it’s going to bite them in the ass when the lawsuits began piling up.

197 freetoken  Oct 15, 2014 6:34:20am

re: #195 Lidane

The whole slew of wingnuts are in top wingnut form this morning, I see.

198 darthstar  Oct 15, 2014 6:37:14am

re: #194 lawhawk

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So that’s what he meant by published.

199 bill d  Oct 15, 2014 6:39:28am

So…….how is everyone else’s morning going?

200 Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 15, 2014 6:39:33am

he haz meetings…

with BILLIONAIRES!!!

201 darthstar  Oct 15, 2014 6:40:24am

re: #200 Backwoods_Sleuth

he haz meetings…

with BILLIONAIRES!!!

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Like Orly Taitz

202 CuriousLurker  Oct 15, 2014 6:41:44am

re: #200 Backwoods_Sleuth

he haz meetings…

with BILLIONAIRES!!!

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And then he woke up. //

203 Lidane  Oct 15, 2014 6:41:48am

re: #200 Backwoods_Sleuth

Pierre Omidyar only has room for one failed media experiment.

Maybe he means Trump and his hair?

204 NJDhockeyfan  Oct 15, 2014 6:42:16am
205 Lidane  Oct 15, 2014 6:42:17am

Please proceed:

206 bill d  Oct 15, 2014 6:43:47am

re: #204 NJDhockeyfan

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Ouch!

207 Vicious Piebola  Oct 15, 2014 6:44:08am

re: #200 Backwoods_Sleuth

he haz meetings…

with BILLIONAIRES!!!

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“Hello, Pierre, I heard you are giving money to journalists. I have this website…”
*click*
“Hello? HELLO!”

208 Higgs Boson's Mate  Oct 15, 2014 6:45:08am

re: #205 Lidane

Santorum promises “A frothy campaign.”

209 Decatur Deb  Oct 15, 2014 6:45:32am

re: #173 Targetpractice

As noted earlier, the Breitbartians are going with the assertion that the government screwed the pooch on Ebola preparation, that the hospital’s failure to properly prepare is the CDC’s fault and not the hospital admins being morons.

When the Pentagon sets a policy, you can bet it will be 18-24 months before the 06 commanding Camp Podunk implements it. It’s a lot harder in the Public Health world, where the people in charge don’t control the local assets. Some SOB is always the last to get the message. Hence Texas Presbyterian.

210 Vogon Poetry  Oct 15, 2014 6:46:36am

re: #209 Decatur Deb

So much for the Texas Department of Health being ahead of the curve, because Texas!

211 Bubblehead II  Oct 15, 2014 6:47:13am

re: #200 Backwoods_Sleuth

he haz meetings…

with BILLIONAIRES!!!

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212 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Oct 15, 2014 6:47:25am

re: #205 Lidane

Please proceed:

Rick Santorum: I’m ‘Starting to Put the Pieces Together’ for 2016

Sweater vest: check!
“I love Iowa” bumper stickers: check!
Hollow Bible (contains no actual Scripture but produces a resounding “thump” when banged): check!

Let’s roll!!!

213 Higgs Boson's Mate  Oct 15, 2014 6:49:16am

re: #209 Decatur Deb

When the Pentagon sets a policy, you can bet it will be 18-24 months before the 06 commanding Camp Podunk implements it. It’s a lot harder in the Public Health world, where the people in charge don’t control the local assets. Some SOB is always the last to get the message. Hence Texas Presbyterian.

One of the Navy’s axioms is that there is always 4% that doesn’t get The Word.

214 NJDhockeyfan  Oct 15, 2014 6:55:33am
215 Higgs Boson's Mate  Oct 15, 2014 6:57:55am

re: #212 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Sweater vest: check!
“I love Iowa” bumperstickers: check
Hollow Bible (contains no actual Scripture but produces a resounding “thump” when banged): check!

Let’s go!!!

To which I would add,
Big rubber shoes: check!
Red rubber nose: check!
Seltzer bottle: check!
Titanic sense of victimhood: check!

216 Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 15, 2014 7:00:26am
217 Bulworth  Oct 15, 2014 7:00:27am

re:
#205

Rick Santorum: I’m ‘Starting to Put the Pieces Together’ for 2016

Hire Chuck C. Johnson, Award-winning Journalist. All will go well.

//

218 Vicious Piebola  Oct 15, 2014 7:03:56am
219 Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 15, 2014 7:05:01am

re: #218 Pie-onist Overlord

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And whatever you do, UpChuck, DON’T GO DOWN TO THE BASEMENT!

oh…wait…

220 Bulworth  Oct 15, 2014 7:05:53am

re:
#218

SCREAM VIII

221 wheat-dogghazi-bola  Oct 15, 2014 7:06:25am

re: #200 Backwoods_Sleuth

If you think they dislike gotnews now wait until I get the investments from the meetings with the billionaires marks I am meeting with this month.

— Charles C. Johnson (@ChuckCJohnson) October 15, 2014

Fixed

222 Higgs Boson's Mate  Oct 15, 2014 7:06:31am

re: #216 Backwoods_Sleuth

Has Chuck tired of impersonating a journalist and taken up impersonating a lawyer? Ah, what a restless spirit he must possess to not be satisfied with merely being one of the world’s foremost douches.

223 Vogon Poetry  Oct 15, 2014 7:08:29am

Jimmy O’Keefe is back at it.

The video is claiming to be Sen. Pryor (D-AR) to not be personally against gay marriage, but threatening someone if they said as much: “If you tell anyone I told you that, I’m gonna find you, and I’ll kill you,’ said the activist, Bailey Rae Bibb”.

224 Decatur Deb  Oct 15, 2014 7:10:56am

re: #223 lawhawk

Jimmy O’Keefe is back at it.

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The video is claiming to be Sen. Pryor (D-AR) to not be personally against gay marriage, but threatening someone if they said as much: “If you tell anyone I told you that, I’m gonna find you, and I’ll kill you,’ said the activist, Bailey Rae Bibb”.

Man, his tea is getting thinner and thinner. Where’s the pimpsuits, the lineman’s gear?

225 Bubblehead II  Oct 15, 2014 7:10:58am

The super smart all knowing world class virologist is once again preparing to save lives.

226 iossarian  Oct 15, 2014 7:10:59am

re: #223 lawhawk

OMG sekrit gay marriage sharia.

It never gets old.

227 Vicious Piebola  Oct 15, 2014 7:12:33am

Chuckie wants to be Glenn Greenwald when he grows up.

228 wheat-dogghazi-bola  Oct 15, 2014 7:13:12am

So I can add new items to My List of What I Know About Chuck C Johnson from His Twitter:

He talks to billionaires — later.
He publishes private information online — defending Americans!
He’s just like Nelson Mandela and Malcolm X.
He’s not too good with Terms of Service.

229 Vogon Poetry  Oct 15, 2014 7:13:28am

Oh, if only he and his site were quarantined to reduce the spread of derp across the universe. /

230 Vicious Piebola  Oct 15, 2014 7:13:52am

re: #228 wheat-dogghazi

So I can add new items to My List of What I Know About Chuck C Johnson from His Twitter:

He talks to billionaires — later.
He publishes private information online — defending Americans!
He’s just like Nelson Mandela and Malcolm X.
He’s not too good with Terms of Service.

Fuck you, he can do what he wants!

231 Vicious Piebola  Oct 15, 2014 7:14:41am

I was going to say that Chuckie C is Eric Cartman grown up, but I don’t think Cartman would be that lame. A grown-up Cartman would be Rush Limbaugh.

232 Higgs Boson's Mate  Oct 15, 2014 7:15:01am

re: #223 lawhawk

“James O’Keefe, a conservative filmaker…”

How thoughtful of The Daily Mail to wrap douchebaggery in the cloak of a respectable profession.

233 Decatur Deb  Oct 15, 2014 7:17:58am

re: #229 lawhawk

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Oh, if only he and his site were quarantined to reduce the spread of derp across the universe. /

Don’t worry, Der Tag is coming. Then all the RWNJ’s will drop into their sealed bunkers, enforce radio silence, and live on dehydrated peach pits for a year.

It’s the only way to save themselves from the infected urban marxist immigrant hordes.

234 FemNaziBitch  Oct 15, 2014 7:23:19am

Don’t even know how to respond.

235 FemNaziBitch  Oct 15, 2014 7:26:05am

re: #223 lawhawk

Is this the Man BoxSplaining line “I’m not going to deny anyone their rights, but I don’t AGREE with it”

Meaning, I don’t want to suck dick, so don’t think I’m secretly gay because I am a rational person.

236 Vicious Piebola  Oct 15, 2014 7:26:22am

re: #234 FemNaziBitch

Don’t even know how to respond.

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I looked at her timeline, she retweets shit like this:

237 FemNaziBitch  Oct 15, 2014 7:27:19am

I want an official Navy Melton Wool Pea coat —either a men’s small enough to fit me or a woman’s size large.

Where do I go?

238 FemNaziBitch  Oct 15, 2014 7:27:38am

re: #236 Pie-onist Overlord

I looked at her timeline, she retweets shit like this:

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Yeah, I saw that too. I think I’ll ignore her.

239 FemNaziBitch  Oct 15, 2014 7:29:01am
240 wheat-dogghazi-bola  Oct 15, 2014 7:30:03am

re: #237 FemNaziBitch

I want an official Navy Melton Wool Pea coat —either a men’s small enough to fit me or a woman’s size large.

Where do I go?

I wouldn’t having one, too. A former roommate left his behind a few years ago, but it got ruined when our basement flooded.

241 Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 15, 2014 7:30:50am

UpChuck keeps saying “diverse”. I’ve been trying to figure out how that word is defined in his dictionary.

242 Targetpractice  Oct 15, 2014 7:31:52am

re: #241 Backwoods_Sleuth

UpChuck keeps saying “diverse”. I’ve been trying to figure out how that word is defined in his dictionary.

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The definition is whatever helps his BS this second.

243 Vicious Piebola  Oct 15, 2014 7:31:54am

re: #239 FemNaziBitch

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When is Desolation of Smaug Extended Edition coming out on Blu Ray?

244 FemNaziBitch  Oct 15, 2014 7:32:09am
245 FemNaziBitch  Oct 15, 2014 7:32:45am

re: #243 Pie-onist Overlord

When is Desolation of Smaug Extended Edition coming out on Blu Ray?

I don’t know. I’ll have to ask the kid and he isn’t home.

246 FemNaziBitch  Oct 15, 2014 7:33:23am

re: #240 wheat-dogghazi

I wouldn’t having one, too. A former roommate left his behind a few years ago, but it got ruined when our basement flooded.

I didn’t think they could be ruined.

247 Vicious Piebola  Oct 15, 2014 7:33:41am

re: #245 FemNaziBitch

I don’t know. I’ll have to ask the kid and he isn’t home.

Looked for it on Amazon but all I can find is the theatrical release.

248 FemNaziBitch  Oct 15, 2014 7:35:23am
249 wheat-dogghazi-bola  Oct 15, 2014 7:36:46am

re: #246 FemNaziBitch

I didn’t think they could be ruined.

If not found until it’s all nasty with mold, mildew and moth holes, then you’d be right. He left it way back in a closet, and we didn’t find it till we moved out.

250 FemNaziBitch  Oct 15, 2014 7:37:47am

Someone remind me I want to watch this, about an hour before it airs in Chicagoland.—-ok?

The Perils of getting old(er)

LOL

251 Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 15, 2014 7:41:11am

He’s going for the hat trick now.

252 Decatur Deb  Oct 15, 2014 7:41:36am

re: #248 FemNaziBitch

3 women a day are murdered by their husbands or boyfriends

I’ll accept that as a fact. What does it mean?

253 Higgs Boson's Mate  Oct 15, 2014 7:41:58am

re: #237 FemNaziBitch

I want an official Navy Melton Wool Pea coat —either a men’s small enough to fit me or a woman’s size large.

Where do I go?

I got mine for free.

“Free”

254 Lidane  Oct 15, 2014 7:42:44am

Words to live by:

255 Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 15, 2014 7:43:35am

re: #237 FemNaziBitch

I want an official Navy Melton Wool Pea coat —either a men’s small enough to fit me or a woman’s size large.

Where do I go?

armynavysales.com

256 sattv4u2  Oct 15, 2014 7:43:52am

re: #248 FemNaziBitch

re: #252 Decatur Deb

What does it mean?

Reportage

Dershowitz delves into a study (albeit dated) in a book he penned some time ago

uiowa.edu

257 Vicious Piebola  Oct 15, 2014 7:44:03am

He’s making threats just like a hostage taker

258 Vicious Piebola  Oct 15, 2014 7:44:36am

Chucky has blocked me! I has a sad.

259 sattv4u2  Oct 15, 2014 7:45:50am

So now I have to (re)set my body clock to my “new” work schedule

Finished my stint of overnight duty. Now have to do noon to midnight

Oh,,, joy!!

260 makeitstop  Oct 15, 2014 7:47:01am

My FB wingnuts are in full-on crowing mode about that NYT story that says there were actually WMDs in Iraq.

I gotta admit, I don’t even care enough to engage. Let them have their fun, nobody cares any more.

261 wheat-dogghazi-bola  Oct 15, 2014 7:47:07am

re: #241 Backwoods_Sleuth

UpChuck keeps saying “diverse”. I’ve been trying to figure out how that word is defined in his dictionary.

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Nicholas Wade is the NY Times science writer who recently penned a book about human genetics, A Troublesome Inheritance: Genes, Race and Human History. Just the latest in a series of works like The Bell Curve

262 Higgs Boson's Mate  Oct 15, 2014 7:47:14am

re: #257 Pie-onist Overlord

He’s making threats just like a hostage taker

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The difference being that you can negotiate with a hostage taker.

263 jimmyvluv4u  Oct 15, 2014 7:47:17am

Welp, I guess “3 hours” in Chuckie vernacular really means 4 minutes… He’s posted a name already.

264 sattv4u2  Oct 15, 2014 7:47:23am

re: #253 Higgs Boson’s Mate

I got mine for free.

“Free”

If by “free” you mean a 4 (or more) year hitch then yes,, by all means,, FREE!!!

//

265 Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 15, 2014 7:47:45am

re: #263 jimmyvluv4u

Welp, I guess “3 hours” in Chuckie vernacular really means 4 minutes…

yep, he just named her.

266 FemNaziBitch  Oct 15, 2014 7:47:49am

re: #249 wheat-dogghazi

If not found until it’s all nasty with mold, mildew and moth holes, then you’d be right. He left it way back in a closet, and we didn’t find it till we moved out.

I’ll have to trudge to the Army/Navy Surplus store

267 FemNaziBitch  Oct 15, 2014 7:48:07am

Moyers picked-up the story:

268 Vogon Poetry  Oct 15, 2014 7:48:50am

re: #257 Pie-onist Overlord

269 FemNaziBitch  Oct 15, 2014 7:49:21am

re: #257 Pie-onist Overlord

He’s making threats just like a hostage taker

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Some people are natural born comics and they don’t even know it.

270 Vicious Piebola  Oct 15, 2014 7:49:55am

Wait for the address, then the Twitter suspension

271 Vogon Poetry  Oct 15, 2014 7:52:06am

There’s no way to publish my response without the name he’s alleging is the 2d victim. I’ve deleted my tweet post.

272 wrenchwitch  Oct 15, 2014 7:52:19am

re: #241 Backwoods_Sleuth

UpChuck keeps saying “diverse”. I’ve been trying to figure out how that word is defined in his dictionary.

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If Nick Wade is defining it for him, it’s defined to fit the white supremacist agenda.

A hasty synopsis:

The book was about the genetics of ethnic and cultural differences, and while it made a valid point that ethnic groups do show small but significant genetic differences across the globe, there was no evidence for Wade’s main thesis: that differences in behavior among groups, and in the disparate societies they construct, are based on genetic differences. While that might in principle be true, we simply have no evidence for that conclusion, and it was irresponsible of Wade to suggest that such evidence existed.


A good review:

Across these historical turning points, the details differ but the story remains the same: certain peoples were predisposed genetically to behaviors and thus institutions that paved the way for their success, whether, say, economic (the West) or intellectual (the Jews). Other peoples, alas, had other genes.

These are big claims and you’d surely expect Wade to provide some pretty impressive, if recondite, evidence for them from the new science of genomics. And here’s where things get odd. Hard evidence for Wade’s thesis is nearly nonexistent. Odder still, Wade concedes as much at the start of A Troublesome Inheritance:

Readers should be fully aware that in chapters 6 through 10 they are leaving the world of hard science and entering into a much more speculative arena at the interface of history, economics and human evolution.

It perhaps would have been best if this sentence had been reprinted at the top of each page in chapters 6 through 10.

One of the most frustrating features of A Troublesome Inheritance is that Wade wants to have it both ways. At one moment, he will concede that he writes in a “speculative arena” and, at the next, he will issue pseudofactual pronouncements (“social behavior, of Chinese and others, is genetically shaped”). This strategy lets Wade move in a kind of intellectual no-man’s-land where he gets to look like he’s doing science (so many facts about genomes!) while covering himself with caveats that, well, it’s all speculative.4

Those are both just excerpts, of course.

273 FemNaziBitch  Oct 15, 2014 7:52:26am

Maybe this is really what I want. Duffle Reefer Jacket.

274 Bubblehead II  Oct 15, 2014 7:53:04am

re: #258 Pie-onist Overlord

Chucky has blocked me! I has a sad.

He blocked me a while back. As well as Bryan.

275 Bubblehead II  Oct 15, 2014 7:53:58am

re: #263 jimmyvluv4u

Welp, I guess “3 hours” in Chuckie vernacular really means 4 minutes… He’s posted a name already.

Yep. And I filed a report. Wonder how long it will take them to block him again.

276 jimmyvluv4u  Oct 15, 2014 7:54:28am

re: #275 Bubblehead II

Looks like one of his followers posted a name of an apartment complex already too…

277 Higgs Boson's Mate  Oct 15, 2014 7:54:42am

re: #264 sattv4u2

If by “free” you mean a 4 (or more) year hitch then yes,, by all means,, FREE!!!

//

True; it was four years, and the pay was low, the chow wasn’t that great and there was was watch standing on top of a long day’s work. On the other hand I learned myriads of things that were wholly inappropriate for civilian life.

278 Vogon Poetry  Oct 15, 2014 7:54:43am

This is his source (probably). Daily Mail got the name from her family.

279 Bubblehead II  Oct 15, 2014 7:55:44am

re: #276 jimmyvluv4u

Looks like one of his followers posted a name of an apartment complex already too…

That he freely retweeted.

280 WhatEVs  Oct 15, 2014 7:56:20am

re: #149 Pie-onist Overlord

281 Franklin  Oct 15, 2014 7:56:57am

re: #278 lawhawk

This is his source (probably). Daily Mail got the name from her family.

So they published it 15 minutes (or 1hr 15 minutes?) prior to Chucky’s threat? Chucky got scooped.

282 Rightwingconspirator  Oct 15, 2014 7:56:58am

Cross posted from Randalls Page

To those who want to blame Obama I like to point out this is exactly why we need the ACA. We can’t have failing or neglected infrastructure common in our medical facilities. We can’t keep treating that critical asset like bridges and so many other “maybe next year” budget items.
Read more at littlegreenfootballs.com

283 wheat-dogghazi-bola  Oct 15, 2014 8:01:27am

re: #241 Backwoods_Sleuth

UpChuck keeps saying “diverse”. I’ve been trying to figure out how that word is defined in his dictionary.

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Chuckles is partially correct. I had read something to that effect, but I had to find a source to confirm my memory. In fact, *modern* Africans are more genetically diverse than modern Europeans or Asians, which helps support the idea that a subset of ancient Africans left the continent to spread across the globe. From Wikipedia:

A May 2002 study examined three groups, African, European, and Asian. It found greater genetic diversity among Africans than among Eurasians, and that genetic diversity among Eurasians is largely a subset of that among Africans, supporting the ‘out of Africa’ model.[55]

Source 55 Yu, Ning et al (May 2002). “Larger Genetic Differences Within Africans Than Between Africans and Eurasians”. Genetics (Genetics Society of America). Retrieved 7 April 2013

I am not sure what pertinence his reference to Africans’ being more “diverse” has, though.

284 FemNaziBitch  Oct 15, 2014 8:01:28am

re: #277 Higgs Boson’s Mate

True; it was four years, and the pay was low, the chow wasn’t that great and there was was watch standing on top of a long day’s work. On the other hand I learned myriads of things that were wholly inappropriate for civilian life.

and got a one of the best coats on the planet.

In my younger days, I had a habit of appropriating my boyfriend’s coats. I have person experience with the Navy Pea Coat.

I was nice, I gave it back.

285 FemNaziBitch  Oct 15, 2014 8:02:10am

re: #276 jimmyvluv4u

Looks like one of his followers posted a name of an apartment complex already too…

This sounds like FBI territory.

286 wrenchwitch  Oct 15, 2014 8:05:17am

re: #283 wheat-dogghazi

Chuckles is partially correct. I had read something to that effect, but I had to find a source to confirm my memory. In fact, *modern* Africans are more genetically diverse than modern Europeans or Asians, which helps support the idea that a subset of ancient Africans left the continent to spread across the globe. From Wikipedia:

I am not sure what pertinence his reference to Africans’ being more “diverse” has, though.

His reference to Nick Wade is more pertinent. He’s not really talking about science.

287 Decatur Deb  Oct 15, 2014 8:06:00am

re: #277 Higgs Boson’s Mate

True; it was four years, and the pay was low, the chow wasn’t that great and there was was watch standing on top of a long day’s work. On the other hand I learned myriads of things that were wholly inappropriate for civilian life.

Chow wasn’t that great? The tiny Army detachments I worked with always tried to hire ex-Navy cooks. The one in Erzurum latched on to a guy from a BB.

288 Vogon Poetry  Oct 15, 2014 8:07:58am

Rather odd that Chucky was threatening media outlets to name the second Ebola victim, but didn’t seem bothered by the coverup of the name of the officer involved in the Michael Brown shooting. Rather, he was more interested in digging up dirt on Brown - not the officer who killed Brown.

It’s a rather curious set of priorities he has.

And by curious, I mean disturbing, incoherent, amoral, and asinine.

289 Lidane  Oct 15, 2014 8:08:22am
290 wheat-dogghazi-bola  Oct 15, 2014 8:09:40am

re: #272 wrenchwench

I have not read Wade’s book, but from the critical reviews I can gather the first half is decent science reporting and the second half is Wade speculating for answers to the age-old puzzle of why Europeans, and not some other culture, ended up dominating the world. Looking for genetic answers is just wishful thinking, though. A lot of European expansion amounts to dumb luck. China had a decent navy at one point, but the emperor scrapped naval exploration to divert those funds to defending against the Mongolian hordes. Columbus stumbled into a new continent. The Spanish stumbled around looking for gold, and found the Pacific Ocean. It was more a question of being in the right place at the right time, and not being terribly bothered with ethics and morality.

291 wrenchwitch  Oct 15, 2014 8:09:53am

re: #287 Decatur Deb

Chow wasn’t that great? The tiny Army detachments I worked with always tried to hire ex-Navy cooks. The one in Erzurum clung to a guy from a BB.

The schmanciest restaurant in town here is owned and run (like a tight ship) by an ex-Navy cook.

292 Decatur Deb  Oct 15, 2014 8:13:07am

re: #291 wrenchwench

The schmanciest restaurant in town here is owned and run (like a tight ship) by an ex-Navy cook.

The battleship cook always won the Best Mess competitions. Food was the only fun those guys had.

293 wrenchwitch  Oct 15, 2014 8:13:56am

re: #290 wheat-dogghazi

I have not read Wade’s book, but from the critical reviews I can gather the first half is decent science reporting and the second half is Wade speculating for answers to the age-old puzzle of why Europeans, and not some other culture, ended up dominating the world. Looking for genetic answers is just wishful thinking, though. A lot of European expansion amounts to dumb luck. China had a decent navy at one point, but the emperor scrapped naval exploration to divert those funds to defending against the Mongolian hordes. Columbus stumbled into a new continent. The Spanish stumbled around looking for gold, and found the Pacific Ocean. It was more a question of being in the right place at the right time, and not being terribly bothered with ethics and morality.

My first link shows a letter written to the NYT Book Review signed by 139 scientists who thought they should publicly push back.

294 Vogon Poetry  Oct 15, 2014 8:14:25am
295 Varek Raith  Oct 15, 2014 8:15:47am

296 Higgs Boson's Mate  Oct 15, 2014 8:16:43am

re: #287 Decatur Deb

Chow wasn’t that great? The tiny Army detachments I worked with always tried to hire ex-Navy cooks. The one in Erzurum latched on to a guy from a BB.

We had some damned good mess cooks. They were inhibited by what they had to work with. Mystery Meat a la Orange is still Mystery Meat.

297 wheat-dogghazi-bola  Oct 15, 2014 8:16:52am

re: #293 wrenchwench

My first link shows a letter written to the NYT Book Review signed by 139 scientists who thought they should publicly push back.

I’m not surprised. Wade is an otherwise well-respected science writer, who veered off into whitesplainin’ why Europeans are the shiznit. He should have dropped chapters 6 through 10 and published them as fiction.

298 Vogon Poetry  Oct 15, 2014 8:16:58am

re: #295 Varek Raith

GOP: Ebola, the ISIS of diseases, and the Benghazi’d US response by President Obama.

299 Lidane  Oct 15, 2014 8:19:30am
300 FemNaziBitch  Oct 15, 2014 8:20:00am

301 Varek Raith  Oct 15, 2014 8:20:02am

re: #299 Lidane

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FFS

302 WhatEVs  Oct 15, 2014 8:20:20am

re: #234 FemNaziBitch

Don’t even know how to respond.

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I don’t even know what that means. What is she saying?

303 wheat-dogghazi-bola  Oct 15, 2014 8:20:24am

re: #299 Lidane

Lemme guess — a Christian college.

304 Vogon Poetry  Oct 15, 2014 8:20:57am

Ban Americans from flying! /

305 Varek Raith  Oct 15, 2014 8:21:06am

re: #299 Lidane

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Guess Americans can no longer be accepted.
Eh?

306 Higgs Boson's Mate  Oct 15, 2014 8:21:27am

I for one believe that Chucky is a symbol of American technological superiority: we can create a journalist by combining a rectum and a cell phone.

307 sattv4u2  Oct 15, 2014 8:21:31am

re: #296 Higgs Boson’s Mate

re: #292 Decatur Deb

Dad was head butcher for decades (after his stint in the Navy during WW2) at the old Chelsea (Mass) Naval Hospital.

We would go visit and play games with the patients once of twice a month followed by lunch or dinner. The food there was amazing (for the patients and staff)

308 Decatur Deb  Oct 15, 2014 8:22:06am

re: #303 wheat-dogghazi

Lemme guess — a Christian college.

They have a fine leprosarium.

309 Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 15, 2014 8:22:54am

oh dear. No story yet, just the headline:

CDC: Newest Ebola patient flew Frontier Airlines Flight 1143 day before diagnosis

310 Decatur Deb  Oct 15, 2014 8:23:00am

re: #307 sattv4u2

Pencil—broken text.

311 wrenchwitch  Oct 15, 2014 8:23:16am

re: #256 sattv4u2

What does it mean?

Reportage

Dershowitz delves into a study (albeit dated) in a book he penned some time ago

uiowa.edu

That’s the book in which he says Fetal Alcohol Syndrome is equivalent to ‘UFO Survivor Syndrome’.

312 Vogon Poetry  Oct 15, 2014 8:23:44am

re: #309 Backwoods_Sleuth

about.bgov.com

313 FemNaziBitch  Oct 15, 2014 8:24:13am

Being me, I just ordered one that more fashionable.

We’ll see how it is when it get’s here.

314 sattv4u2  Oct 15, 2014 8:24:16am

re: #310 Decatur Deb

Pencil—broken text.

eh?

315 sattv4u2  Oct 15, 2014 8:24:33am

oh

316 wheat-dogghazi-bola  Oct 15, 2014 8:24:47am

re: #303 wheat-dogghazi

Lemme guess — a Christian college.

Well, I was wrong. Navarro College is a two-year public institution with 9,000 students. navarrocollege.edu

317 RealityBasedEbola  Oct 15, 2014 8:25:21am

re: #272 wrenchwench

If Nick Wade is defining it for him, it’s defined to fit the white supremacist agenda.

A hasty synopsis:


A good review:

It perhaps would have been best if this sentence had been reprinted at the top of each page in chapters 6 through 10.

One of the most frustrating features of A Troublesome Inheritance is that Wade wants to have it both ways. At one moment, he will concede that he writes in a “speculative arena” and, at the next, he will issue pseudofactual pronouncements (“social behavior, of Chinese and others, is genetically shaped”). This strategy lets Wade move in a kind of intellectual no-man’s-land where he gets to look like he’s doing science (so many facts about genomes!) while covering himself with caveats that, well, it’s all speculative.4

Those are both just excerpts, of course.

Jared Diamond in his book “Guns, Germs, and Steel” makes a case that most of it can be tied to environmental differences, number of animals hat can be domesticated, and East-West vs North-South continental alignment orientation.

I’ve got many (all?) of his books, he uses a broad brush sometimes, but makes some good arguments…

Guns, Germs, and Steel: The Fates of Human Societies is a 1997 transdisciplinary nonfiction book by Jared Diamond, professor of geography and physiology at the University of California, Los Angeles (UCLA). In 1998, it won the Pulitzer Prize for general non-fiction and the Aventis Prize for Best Science Book. A documentary based on the book, and produced by the National Geographic Society, was broadcast on PBS in July 2005.[1]

The book attempts to explain why Eurasian civilizations (including North Africa) have survived and conquered others, while arguing against the idea that Eurasian hegemony is due to any form of Eurasian intellectual, moral or inherent genetic superiority. Diamond argues that the gaps in power and technology between human societies originate in environmental differences, which are amplified by various positive feedback loops. When cultural or genetic differences have favored Eurasians (for example, written language or the development among Eurasians of resistance to endemic diseases), he asserts that these advantages occurred because of the influence of geography on societies and cultures, and were not inherent in the Eurasian genomes.

en.wikipedia.org

318 sattv4u2  Oct 15, 2014 8:25:46am

2nd health care worker with Ebola flew from Cleveland to Dallas on Frontier Airlines the day before presenting symptoms, according to CDC, Frontier - @NBCNews

breakingnews.com

319 Decatur Deb  Oct 15, 2014 8:27:18am

re: #314 sattv4u2

The text seems to repeat a block (patients and…). Looks like a broken edit.

320 Ace-o-aces  Oct 15, 2014 8:27:19am
321 sattv4u2  Oct 15, 2014 8:27:39am

re: #319 Decatur Deb

The text seems to repeat a block (patients and…). Looks like a broken edit.

Yeah

I fixeded it

Thanks

322 makeitstop  Oct 15, 2014 8:28:29am

re: #320 Ace-o-aces

“I don’t get this confirming thing”? Really? That’s some award winnin journalmalism there chuck.

He evidently doesn’t get that ‘decent human being’ thing, either.

323 Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 15, 2014 8:28:37am

Charles DOES control all the internets!

324 Decatur Deb  Oct 15, 2014 8:29:03am

re: #316 wheat-dogghazi

Well, I was wrong. Navarro College is a two-year public institution with 9,000 students. navarrocollege.edu

Oh. Then the leprosarium must be a frat house. Common mistake.

325 wheat-dogghazi-bola  Oct 15, 2014 8:30:08am

re: #317 RealityBasedSteve

Like I said, a lot of plain old dumb luck. The Chinese are believed to have invented paper, moveable type, gunpowder and the magnetic compass, but it was Europeans who exploited them more fully than the more conservative Chinese.

326 wrenchwitch  Oct 15, 2014 8:30:15am

re: #317 RealityBasedSteve

Those are both just excerpts, of course.

Jared Diamond in his book “Guns, Germs, and Steel” makes a case that most of it can be tied to environmental differences, number of animals hat can be domesticated, and East-West vs North-South continental alignment orientation.

I’ve got many (all?) of his books, he uses a broad brush sometimes, but makes some good arguments…

I enjoyed Guns, Germs and Steel. Diamond is not just a ‘science writer’, he’s a scientist.

327 wheat-dogghazi-bola  Oct 15, 2014 8:32:39am

re: #318 sattv4u2

2nd health care worker with Ebola flew from Cleveland to Dallas on Frontier Airlines the day before presenting symptoms, according to CDC, Frontier - @NBCNews

breakingnews.com

This is beginning to sound like a Hollywood disaster movie script.

328 Bulworth  Oct 15, 2014 8:33:22am

re:
#323

Everyone needs to know that
@green_footballs
stopped public from knowing
#ambervinson
#ebola
patient name for nearly 3 hours.
@Support

And in those three hours America and all western civilization collapsed.

///

Seriously, what is the public supposed to do with that information?

329 RealityBasedEbola  Oct 15, 2014 8:33:56am

re: #326 wrenchwench

I enjoyed Guns, Germs and Steel. Diamond is not just a ‘science writer’, he’s a scientist.

I especially enjoy his writing about some of the tribes in the New Guinea highlands that he had encountered. That’s a world I can’t begin to imagine, from both a topological and an cultural perspective.

RBS

330 Targetpractice  Oct 15, 2014 8:34:02am

re: #327 wheat-dogghazi

This is beginning to sound like a Hollywood disaster movie script.

In other news, intelligent apes have been sighted setting up individual colonies away from human civilization. One ape escaping from captivity left a note saying “You guys are so screwed!”

//

331 blueraven  Oct 15, 2014 8:34:12am

Oh hell, this thing is getting out of control. Flying the day before the nurse was diagnosed is just the freaking end.

I don’t know what should have been done differently, but seems to me people involved in the direct care of the index patient should not be flying until after the 21 day incubation period…and that is probably just the beginning of it.

If this thing does not get out of control it might be pure dumb luck.

332 Decatur Deb  Oct 15, 2014 8:34:56am

re: #309 Backwoods_Sleuth

oh dear. No story yet, just the headline:

CDC: Newest Ebola patient flew Frontier Airlines Flight 1143 day before diagnosis

This patient flew from Cleveland? Where were they exposed? (Alternately, how did they get to Cleveland?)

333 Timothy Watson  Oct 15, 2014 8:35:33am

re: #229 lawhawk

self-quarantine

Self-quarantine isn’t sitting in your condo with empty tissue boxes on your feet and soda bottles filled with your urine by the door.

334 Decatur Deb  Oct 15, 2014 8:36:10am

re: #328 Bulworth

re:
#323

And in those three hours America and all western civilization collapsed.

///

Seriously, what is the public supposed to do with that information?

Issue Klan robes protective hoods to the neighborhood watch.

335 FemNaziBitch  Oct 15, 2014 8:36:21am

336 FemNaziBitch  Oct 15, 2014 8:37:01am

re: #323 Backwoods_Sleuth

Charles DOES control all the internets!

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3 WHOLE HOURS??

Charles, how could you?

337 Vicious Piebola  Oct 15, 2014 8:37:49am

Janie has just let her racist mask slip off.

All her tweets about VoterID are full of racist derp.

338 wheat-dogghazi-bola  Oct 15, 2014 8:38:00am

re: #332 Decatur Deb

This patient flew from Cleveland? Where were they exposed? (Alternately, how did they get to Cleveland?)

More importantly, why would they go to Cleveland?

{In fact, I like Cleveland. Just kidding here.}

339 Decatur Deb  Oct 15, 2014 8:39:12am

re: #338 wheat-dogghazi

More importantly, why would they go to Cleveland?

{In fact, I like Cleveland. Just kidding here.}

Nothing to see in Cleveland, now that they’ve extinguished the river. Are yours burning yet?

340 wheat-dogghazi-bola  Oct 15, 2014 8:39:56am

re: #330 Targetpractice

In other news, intelligent apes have been sighted setting up individual colonies away from human civilization. One ape escaping from captivity left a note saying “You guys are so screwed!”

//

I’m waiting for them to discover Twitter and Facebook. It won’t be long before they start posting cute kitteh pix.

341 Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 15, 2014 8:40:39am

sad, but true…

342 wheat-dogghazi-bola  Oct 15, 2014 8:40:57am

re: #339 Decatur Deb

Nothing to see in Cleveland, now that they’ve extinguished the river. Are yours burning yet?

No, but we’ve had droves of dead pigs washing up on riverbanks in a few places.

343 FemNaziBitch  Oct 15, 2014 8:41:42am

344 Kid A  Oct 15, 2014 8:43:41am

The WMD have been found! The WMD have been found! And the American Stinker is ALL OVER IT! Except they conveniently overlook the part where the weapons were pre-1991 and were stockpiled during that Iraq-Iran civil war thingy, and they were supplied by…us.

345 Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 15, 2014 8:47:35am

::head::desk::

346 makeitstop  Oct 15, 2014 8:48:07am

re: #344 Kid A

The WMD have been found! The WMD have been found! And the American Stinker is ALL OVER IT! Except they conveniently overlook the part where the weapons were pre-1991 and were stockpiled during that Iraq-Iran civil war thingy, and they were supplied by…us.

Yeah. As I mentioned earlier, my FB wingnuts are all whooping it up today.

To which I can only reply, ‘Who gives a fuck any more?’

347 jimmyvluv4u  Oct 15, 2014 8:49:25am

ಠ_ಠ

348 wheat-dogghazi-bola  Oct 15, 2014 8:50:28am

re: #347 jimmyvluv4u

Just wrong on so many different levels.

349 Decatur Deb  Oct 15, 2014 8:50:48am

re: #345 Backwoods_Sleuth

::head::desk::

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re: #347 jimmyvluv4u

O..M..G

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Billionaires gonna line up down the block to sign up for that shit. Rave on, punk.

350 ausador  Oct 15, 2014 8:51:10am

re: #283 wheat-dogghazi

I am not sure what pertinence his reference to Africans’ being more “diverse” has, though.

He is citing Nick Wades book “A Troublesome Inheritance”

351 Vogon Poetry  Oct 15, 2014 8:56:00am

re: #323 Backwoods_Sleuth

Daily Mail published the name ahead of Chucky’s threat of publishing the name. He then gloms on to the name, and says it on his own (ignoring that he probably got it from Daily Mail).

That’s some serious journalism right there.

352 Bubblehead II  Oct 15, 2014 8:57:38am

re: #351 lawhawk

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Daily Mail published the name ahead of Chucky’s threat of publishing the name. He then gloms on to the name, and says it on his own (ignoring that he probably got it from Daily Mail).

That’s some serious journalism right there.

He is using that as an excuse not to get blocked again. Looks like it is working.

353 blueraven  Oct 15, 2014 8:57:54am

Oh how I wish we all could just ignore this Chucky asshole.

354 Higgs Boson's Mate  Oct 15, 2014 8:58:41am

re: #351 lawhawk

[Embedded content]

Daily Mail published the name ahead of Chucky’s threat of publishing the name. He then gloms on to the name, and says it on his own (ignoring that he probably got it from Daily Mail).

That’s some serious journalism right there.

That kind of journalism will get him so much money from the billionaires that he’ll be able to move into a two car garage.

355 freetoken  Oct 15, 2014 8:59:20am

Man with Google Glass had ‘Internet addiction disorder’

A 31-year-old American was treated for addiction after wearing Google Glass for up to 18 hours a day and even experienced dreams as if looking through the device, doctors said.

It is the first known case of Internet addiction involving Google Glass, a fledgling technology which provides online access via a tiny screen attached to a spectacle frame, they said.

[…]

I sure the journalist/virologist/anthropologist CCJ knows a bit or two about “internet addiction”.

356 Dr. Matt  Oct 15, 2014 9:00:22am

re: #344 Kid A

The WMD have been found! The WMD have been found! And the American Stinker is ALL OVER IT! Except they conveniently overlook the part where the weapons were pre-1991 and were stockpiled during that Iraq-Iran civil war thingy, and they were supplied by…us.

Are these the same discredited WMD that were “found” and exposed by Man on Dog RIcky? thinkprogress.org

357 Franklin  Oct 15, 2014 9:00:33am

re: #351 lawhawk

How can this

and this

…coexist in the same universe?

358 Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 15, 2014 9:01:22am

re: #357 Franklin

magic.

359 Timothy Watson  Oct 15, 2014 9:01:45am

re: #357 Franklin

How can this

[Embedded content]

…coexist in the same universe?

Cognitive dissonance, mental illness, or mental/intellectual disability.

Take your pick.

360 RealityBasedEbola  Oct 15, 2014 9:01:49am

re: #357 Franklin

How can this

[Embedded content]

…coexist in the same universe?

after a while the ringing in your head from the cognitive dissonance simply becomes a background soundtrack I’d imagine.

RBS

361 Vicious Piebola  Oct 15, 2014 9:01:51am

re: #357 Franklin

How can this

[Embedded content]

…coexist in the same universe?

Sociopath

362 The Mountain That Blogs  Oct 15, 2014 9:02:32am

Hold on a second, why was a nurse involved in Duncan’s care team allowed to travel to Cleveland in the first place, especially when we know they didn’t really have adequate protection gear until Duncan had already been in the hospital for some time.

363 makeitstop  Oct 15, 2014 9:03:15am

re: #359 Timothy Watson

Cognitive dissonance, mental illness, or mental/intellectual disability.

Take your pick.

I’m going with mental illness.

364 Vogon Poetry  Oct 15, 2014 9:03:32am

re: #357 Franklin

Cognitive dissonance combined with pretzel logic (aka pretzel choking induced hypoxia).

365 Dr. Matt  Oct 15, 2014 9:04:19am

re: #363 makeitstop

I’m going with mental illness.

I’m going with: UpChuck is just a fucking asshole.

366 Ace-o-aces  Oct 15, 2014 9:05:15am
367 Franklin  Oct 15, 2014 9:05:16am

re: #364 lawhawk

Cognitive dissonance combined with pretzel logic (aka pretzel choking induced hypoxia).

All within 4 minutes. A new record.

368 Decatur Deb  Oct 15, 2014 9:07:11am

re: #361 Pie-onist Overlord

Sociopath

Armed

369 Lidane  Oct 15, 2014 9:08:17am

Geek break:

370 allegro  Oct 15, 2014 9:08:26am

re: #362 The Mountain That Blogs

Hold on a second, why was a nurse involved in Duncan’s care team allowed to travel to Cleveland in the first place, especially when we know they didn’t really have adequate protection gear until Duncan had already been in the hospital for some time.

Why was Duncan sent home with 103 fever and having told the hospital he’d just come from an ebola endemic area? Why was infectious disease protection/protocol inadequate resulting in now 2 caregivers being infected?

That’s how.

371 Vogon Poetry  Oct 15, 2014 9:10:21am

re: #362 The Mountain That Blogs

Because they didn’t necessarily believe that the gear was insufficient (or the risks weren’t thoroughly conveyed to staff).

I’m beginning to think that they’re going to need to do additional safety protocols going forward at hospitals - and it’s a cost that many hospitals simply can’t afford, but can’t afford not to if all of a sudden a bunch of their staffers get sick with a disease that has a 70% mortality rate.

The staff that comes into contact with Ebola patients cannot treat anyone else other than the Ebola patient (reduce inadvertent patient-patient transfers); and some form of quarantine/isolation for anyone working w/Ebola patients or samples. That should be in place until 21 days after last contact with the patient/sample (including restrictions on travel).

372 Vicious Piebola  Oct 15, 2014 9:10:53am

re: #370 allegro

Why was Duncan sent home with 103 fever and having told the hospital he’d just come from an ebola endemic area? Why was infectious disease protection/protocol inadequate resulting in now 2 caregivers being infected?

That’s how.

Duncan was sent home the first time because he didn’t have insurance and no ability to pay.

373 The Big Ebola of Rocka Rolla  Oct 15, 2014 9:11:20am

This is how a nutter attention whore gets paid for it. He becomes a journalist, unbiased, unafraid, truth seeking.

374 Decatur Deb  Oct 15, 2014 9:11:31am

re: #371 lawhawk

Thomas Duncan was a job creator.

375 Vicious Piebola  Oct 15, 2014 9:13:04am

re: #373 Ryan King

This is how a nutter attention whore gets paid for it. He becomes a journalist, unbiased, unafraid, truth seeking.

Hey it worked for Glenn Greenwald!

376 Dr. Matt  Oct 15, 2014 9:13:18am

re: #370 allegro

Why was Duncan sent home with 103 fever and having told the hospital he’d just come from an ebola endemic area? Why was infectious disease protection/protocol inadequate resulting in now 2 caregivers being infected?

That’s how.

Clearly the Infectious Disease unit in that hospital completely sucks. I don’t blame the floor staff since it’s not their speciality. The ID unit should have taken control of the situation and enacted proper protocols.

377 Timothy Watson  Oct 15, 2014 9:13:21am

re: #365 Dr. Matt

I’m going with: UpChuck is just a fucking asshole.

Drats, forgot that option.

378 Dr. Matt  Oct 15, 2014 9:14:36am

re: #375 Pie-onist Overlord

Hey it worked for Glenn Greenwald!

As I posted above:

UpChuck is to Ebola like GG is to the NSA. One-trick ponies.

379 wrenchwitch  Oct 15, 2014 9:16:12am
With only 3 ingredients, these Warm Chocolate Lava Cakes are too good to be true.

One of the ‘three’ ingredients is brownie mix. Sheesh. Stupid clickbait.

380 Vicious Piebola  Oct 15, 2014 9:18:20am

re: #378 Dr. Matt

As I posted above:

UpChuck is to Ebola like GG is to the NSA. One-trick ponies.

Chucky is a low-rent Glenn Greenwald wannabee, but without the verdant throbbing mountaintop jungle fortress, the piles of Pierre’s money, the wit, charm and mad journalism skills.
//

381 Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 15, 2014 9:18:52am
382 bill d  Oct 15, 2014 9:22:31am

Dems still control the Senate. Reid should bring the Surgeon General nominee to the floor for a public vote, he already cleared committee.

Put the republicans on the record for voting against a Surgeon General now.

383 RealityBasedEbola  Oct 15, 2014 9:23:04am

re: #380 Pie-onist Overlord

Chucky is a low-rent Glenn Greenwald wannabee, but without the verdant throbbing mountaintop jungle fortress, the piles of Pierre’s money, the wit, charm and mad journalism skills.
//

but, like GG’s monkeys, Chucky is quite adept a flinging poop when enraged, so he’s got that going for him.

RBS

384 freetoken  Oct 15, 2014 9:23:20am

The Iowa senate race is so close, so I wonder if this will have any effect:

Iowa Libertarian candidate for US Senate dies

If Joni the Castrator wins by a few thousand vote we will always wonder if Butzier would have pulled those away from her.

385 Vogon Poetry  Oct 15, 2014 9:23:43am

BTW, it’s also important to note that since Duncan flew into the US, no one from his flight has been found to have the disease. Only two health care workers who had close/direct contact with Duncan have tested positive.

So, the disease still holds to form - you have to have direct exposure to an infected person.

If the second nurse didn’t have any symptoms when she flew, it’s not likely anyone on board the plane will come down with the infection either. The CDC is taking precautions, and the airline is correct to take the plane out of service for disinfection. What is missing from this is that airlines don’t do enough to deep clean planes after routine flights allowing the spread of other diseases that can have fatal outcomes. If Ebola gets airlines to increase the cleaning of planes, so much the better. It’s long overdue.

386 ausador  Oct 15, 2014 9:25:27am

re: #357 Franklin

How can this

and this

…coexist in the same universe?

Stolen, tweeted…

387 Timothy Watson  Oct 15, 2014 9:25:44am

I really wish Chrome would prompt me to update a password when I logged in after changing it.

388 Vogon Poetry  Oct 15, 2014 9:26:54am

Jim Hoft has been trying to distinguish between Ferguson protesters and those in Hong Kong.

He’s getting it wrong - as usual, and it looks like the police in Hong Kong aren’t that different from STL area police either:

Excessive force is excessive, whether you’re in Hong Kong or Ferguson. And the excessive force is compounded with the racial discrimination facing blacks when the police force is overwhelmingly white and doesn’t even live in the town that they’re policing.

389 Archangelus  Oct 15, 2014 9:27:29am

re: #151 Pie-onist Overlord

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The Deluded Inferior Johnson’s reaction in a nutshell:
Youtube Video

390 Vogon Poetry  Oct 15, 2014 9:28:00am

re: #386 ausador

The earlier tweets, in which he makes the threat to release the name, when combined with the Daily Mail news is probably even more relevant - it was independent of the threat.

391 sagehen  Oct 15, 2014 9:28:13am

re: #250 FemNaziBitch

Someone remind me I want to watch this, about an hour before it airs in Chicagoland.—-ok?

The Perils of getting old(er)

LOL

GUMBY!!!

392 Archangelus  Oct 15, 2014 9:30:58am

re: #357 Franklin

How can this

[Embedded content]

…coexist in the same universe?

Ruptures in the very fabric of the space-time continuum caused by the sheer magnitude of The Deluded Inferior Johnson’s derpy BS collapsing inwards would be my guess…

393 Timothy Watson  Oct 15, 2014 9:33:53am

re: #390 lawhawk

The earlier tweets, in which he makes the threat to release the name, when combined with the Daily Mail news is probably even more relevant - it was independent of the threat.

Drop it, or I swear I’ll blow this n*****’s head ALL OVER THIS TOWN!

394 Bulworth  Oct 15, 2014 9:36:47am

Went out at noon to get $$ and some lunch and just got back into the office in time to avoid the mother of all rainstorms hitting Our Nation’s Capital. It’s a deluge all of a sudden out there.

395 Higgs Boson's Mate  Oct 15, 2014 9:37:22am

re: #388 lawhawk

Jim Hoft has been trying to distinguish between Ferguson protesters and those in Hong Kong his ass from his elbow for years.

I like mine better.

396 jaunte  Oct 15, 2014 9:37:44am
397 Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 15, 2014 9:38:10am
398 Higgs Boson's Mate  Oct 15, 2014 9:38:38am

re: #394 Bulworth

I live in Southern CA. I had to Google the word “rainstorm.”

399 jaunte  Oct 15, 2014 9:39:30am
400 Bulworth  Oct 15, 2014 9:39:42am

re:
#384

If Joni the Castrator wins by a few thousand vote we will always wonder if Butzier would have pulled those away from her.

This would be a bitter loss. Most of the races being talked about are either currently GOP or else have not been held by a Dem for that long. And Joni appears to be a certified teanut.

401 Bulworth  Oct 15, 2014 9:40:41am

re:
#398

Will Google even let you see “rainstorm” in Southern Cal?

402 FemNaziBitch  Oct 15, 2014 9:42:47am

For Obdi and Me

Please watch and share:
Youtube Video

403 Higgs Boson's Mate  Oct 15, 2014 9:43:00am

re: #401 Bulworth

re:
#398

Will Google even let you see “rainstorm” in Southern Cal?

I had to go through a proxy server located in Liechtenstein.

404 FemNaziBitch  Oct 15, 2014 9:43:48am

re: #355 freetoken

Man with Google Glass had ‘Internet addiction disorder’

I sure the journalist/virologist/anthropologist CCJ knows a bit or two about “internet addiction”.

Wasn’t there a TNG (Star Trek) episode about this —centering around Wesley?

405 Romantic Heretic  Oct 15, 2014 9:46:37am

re: #290 wheat-dogghazi

My take on it is that Europe was so fragmented at the time.

Because all the fragments of Europe were in constant conflict for power it allowed for a lot of ferment in the intellectual world. If someone came up with an idea and no one with power liked it the originator could just travel a few miles and find someone with power who did. The ‘yeast’ of knowledge flowing in from the Islamic and Byzatine worlds helped a lot. Lots of ideas were tried, the successful ones thrived, along the political entities that adopted them and more ideas were dreamed up to counter the new ideas.

This phenomena developed a momentum that has been maintained to this day.

Conversely the other large cultures at the time, Islam and China, were rather monolithic. They were pretty much fixed in the ideas they had adopted and so no reason why they should try others. Those with power in these cultures were especially opposed to new ideas.

My roughly thought out opinion.

406 ChuckJager95  Oct 15, 2014 9:47:56am

I posted the following on my Facebook page:

I will bet any of you panicking over that Cleveland flight any amount of money you want that not a single person outside of the Dallas nurse tests positive for Ebola. Daddy needs new shoes and a PS4.

So far, I have one taker for $25. I pointed out to him that he is now in the awkward position of rooting for someone to contract Ebola… I don’t think he was fazed by it.

EDIT: I also pointed out that it’s a safe bet on my part because if I’m wrong we’re all going to die anyway.

407 BeenHereAwhile  Oct 15, 2014 9:49:33am

re: #287 Decatur Deb

Chow wasn’t that great? The tiny Army detachments I worked with always tried to hire ex-Navy cooks. The one in Erzurum latched on to a guy from a BB.

If stationed at a Naval Base, chow at the hospital mess hall.

Due to officers eating there, the food was better prepared.

408 Lidane  Oct 15, 2014 9:49:58am

I see lots of new subscriptions when Game of Thrones is about to start and a bunch of cancellations when it’s done for the season:

409 FemNaziBitch  Oct 15, 2014 9:50:51am

410 Romantic Heretic  Oct 15, 2014 9:51:35am

re: #328 Bulworth

re:
#323

And in those three hours America and all western civilization collapsed.

///

Seriously, what is the public supposed to do with that information?

Panic. Spend money.

411 WhatEVs  Oct 15, 2014 9:51:55am

re: #371 lawhawk

Because they didn’t necessarily believe that the gear was insufficient (or the risks weren’t thoroughly conveyed to staff).

I’m beginning to think that they’re going to need to do additional safety protocols going forward at hospitals - and it’s a cost that many hospitals simply can’t afford, but can’t afford not to if all of a sudden a bunch of their staffers get sick with a disease that has a 70% mortality rate.

The staff that comes into contact with Ebola patients cannot treat anyone else other than the Ebola patient (reduce inadvertent patient-patient transfers); and some form of quarantine/isolation for anyone working w/Ebola patients or samples. That should be in place until 21 days after last contact with the patient/sample (including restrictions on travel).

And all this is going to require, guess what, Regulation…the right’s biggest boogie man.

So, what do they hate then?

412 jaunte  Oct 15, 2014 9:53:38am

re: #410 Romantic Heretic

Panic. Spend money.

Leave town. Don’t go by air. Don’t touch gas pumps or store doors. Don’t stay in hotels or motels.

413 Lidane  Oct 15, 2014 9:55:46am
414 jaunte  Oct 15, 2014 9:56:56am
415 jaunte  Oct 15, 2014 9:58:14am

Should FDR Attack Normandy?

416 FemNaziBitch  Oct 15, 2014 9:59:36am

417 Dr. Matt  Oct 15, 2014 10:01:07am

re: #416 FemNaziBitch

Can a lady subjected to an upskirt creep stand her ground?

418 sagehen  Oct 15, 2014 10:01:20am

re: #405 Romantic Heretic

My take on it is that Europe was so fragmented at the time.

Because all the fragments of Europe were in constant conflict for power it allowed for a lot of ferment in the intellectual world. If someone came up with an idea and no one with power liked it the originator could just travel a few miles and find someone with power who did.

If it was an idea for how to knock things down, or put holes in people, the powers that be were absolutely interested in that idea. There was riches and honor to incentivize vigorous pursuit of those ideas. (in China, gunpowder was only for the entertainment value of pretty displays in the sky. It never occurred to them it could have destructive uses as well.)

419 RealityBasedEbola  Oct 15, 2014 10:01:27am

re: #416 FemNaziBitch

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Well, if you didn’t wear those slutty patent leather shoes so we could see the reflection of your panties in them…////

RBS

420 FemNaziBitch  Oct 15, 2014 10:02:19am

One thing I’ve noticed the past couple of years is the number of basics health care workers no longer seem to practice.

1-wearing socks
2-washing their hands/ using hand sanitizer /latex gloves before every exam
3- coughing/sneezing openly or coughing/sneezing into their hand

I’m talking RN’s and MD’s

I notice this is more at clinics or offices not part of an official Hospital ER or out-lying triage center.

421 FemNaziBitch  Oct 15, 2014 10:03:01am

re: #418 sagehen

If it was an idea for how to knock things down, or put holes in people, the powers that be were absolutely interested in that idea. There was riches and honor to incentivize vigorous pursuit of those ideas. (in China, gunpowder was only for the entertainment value of pretty displays in the sky. It never occurred to them it could have destructive uses as well.)

Oh, I think it occurred to them.

422 Vogon Poetry  Oct 15, 2014 10:04:00am

re: #417 Dr. Matt

Can a lady subjected to an upskirt creep stand her ground?

Only if she’s with zygote, in which case the zygote is authorized to use deadly force. She’s SOL otherwise. /

423 Higgs Boson's Mate  Oct 15, 2014 10:05:08am

re: #411 WhatEVs

And all this is going to require, guess what, Regulation…the right’s biggest boogie man.

So, what do they hate then?

That is one of the main reasons that I regard the DHS apparatus as largely another trough for the well-connected piggies. If we were really worried about Islamowhatevers sneaking into the country with the intent of corrupting and impurifying our precious bodily fluids then the appropriate gear and protocols for dealing with chemical and biologic agents would be mandated and the mandates would be fully funded and vigorously enforced.

424 Schadenboner  Oct 15, 2014 10:05:27am

re: #416 FemNaziBitch

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And the judges quoted are, themselves, skirts.

I don’t get it.

It would be one thing if it were some old-ass dudebro-gone-to-seed on the bench.

425 Lidane  Oct 15, 2014 10:06:04am

TYPICAL OBOLA CROSSING TEH STREAMS! ELEVENTY!

426 Dr. Matt  Oct 15, 2014 10:07:19am

re: #422 lawhawk

Only if she’s with zygote, in which case the zygote is authorized to use deadly force. She’s SOL otherwise. /

427 FemNaziBitch  Oct 15, 2014 10:07:32am

I’ve been exposed to some things I didn’t previously know about events in Russia and Europe pre and post WWI from the book I’m reading/listening to right now. Black Russian

Czar Nicky imposed national Prohibition, but openly didn’t follow his own law. Thus, it was stupid, and short lived. The US Congress was aware and it impacted our own stupid and short lived Prohibition.

Events in Odessa and Constantinople after the Bolsheveks took over. and that Germany released Lenin from prison in order to destablize Russia.

I had no idea. Why aren’t we taught this stuff.

Oh, I forgot —anything Russia is Communist and therefore EVIL.

428 makeitstop  Oct 15, 2014 10:08:42am

re: #424 Schadenboner

And the judges quoted are, themselves, skirts.

I don’t get it.

Much harder to get an upskirt under a robe.
/

429 Vogon Poetry  Oct 15, 2014 10:08:56am

Derp break.

St. Paul’s Chapel is a sometimes overlooked gem in Lower Manhattan. It shouldn’t be. It’s notable for where George Washington went to services before being sworn in as President at Federal Hall a few blocks away. It’s also where 9/11 workers went for relief in the hours, days, and weeks following the attack (and they have regular exhibits). They also hold free concerts, and when I popped in, they were doing a free concert with the pipe organ and accompanying orchestra.

But what caught my eye was the little movable structure at the front of the building. It was a Jewish ark, which holds torah scrolls. The story behind this little gem is that the Lower East Side shul where the ark belongs was in need of massive repairs, and the congregation sold it to a developer who will build condos on the site and a new prayer space for the congregation. In the meantime, St. Paul’s offered up its space and the congregation had a movable ark built from the original.

430 FemNaziBitch  Oct 15, 2014 10:10:06am

Dear UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon

It takes two to tango

431 Mike Lamb  Oct 15, 2014 10:10:19am

re: #416 FemNaziBitch

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Translation: she was asking for it.

432 Higgs Boson's Mate  Oct 15, 2014 10:10:42am

re: #428 makeitstop

Much harder to get an upskirt under a robe.
/

And nearly impossible to find anyone who wants to take one.

433 Rightwingconspirator  Oct 15, 2014 10:12:35am

California has banned single use plastic bags. A big win for reducing litter, as paper bags break down, and .$10 each is a nice profit. Or we buy those cotton washable bags right? Plus I would re use the single use bags. That really throws the numbers.

About the downside…

In fact, Californians faced with municipal bag fees often opt to skip the bag altogether. In an analysis of three major California municipalities with bag bans, 39 percent of customers left the store without a bag (opposed to 17 percent pre-ban).*

Although customers avoiding bags is an obvious environmental win, the same study found that paper bag use increased from 3 to 16 percent. While disposable plastic bags’ manufacture is relatively energy intensive—according to the Australian government, a car could drive 36 feet with the amount of petroleum used to make a single plastic bag—paper bags aren’t any better. In fact, a paper bag (which will still be available for ten cents) must be used three times before its global warming impact is lower than continuing to use single-use plastic bags, according to a study by the UK Environment Agency.

What about the customers who switch to reusable bags? The California study found that, faced with bag bans, customers increased reusable bag use from 5 to 45 percent. It is unclear which varieties of reusable bags are the most popular, but one common type, the non-woven polypropylene bag (the kind you might buy in the Whole Foods checkout line), must be used 11 times before its global warming impact is less than disposable bags. A standard cotton tote requires 131 uses. Although the study does not factor in other benefits of reusable bags, such as reduced litter, it underscores the fact that reusable bags are only beneficial if they’re actually used. Freebie branded totes gathering dust in closets are not worth the energy they took to produce.

434 Lidane  Oct 15, 2014 10:15:32am

My surprise, etc. —

435 FemNaziBitch  Oct 15, 2014 10:15:36am

re: #252 Decatur Deb

I’ll accept that as a fact. What does it mean?

Intimate Partner Violence causes more death than war?

The deeper and really disturbing evidence is that women who defend themselves against their domestic abusers are not allowed self-defense. They are the ones who end-up in prison.

Marissa Alexander is just the tip of the ice berg.

The Abuser and Society have conditioned women to be victims.

436 Vicious Piebola  Oct 15, 2014 10:15:52am

re: #433 Rightwingconspirator

California has banned single use plastic bags. A big win for reducing litter, as paper bags break down, and .$10 each is a nice profit. Or we buy those cotton washable bags right? Plus I would re use the single use bags. That really throws the numbers.

About the downside…

Another thing that many people forget to do, reusable bags have to be washed regularly. If you use them to carry meat or dairy products, even a small residue can grow bacteria.

437 Higgs Boson's Mate  Oct 15, 2014 10:16:34am

re: #433 Rightwingconspirator

Interesting example of unintended consequences. We’ve been using the poly bags since they first became available at Trader Joe’s and I’m pretty confident that they’ve all paid off their carbon debt.

438 FemNaziBitch  Oct 15, 2014 10:17:15am

re: #436 Pie-onist Overlord

Another thing that many people forget to do, reusable bags have to be washed regularly. If you use them to carry meat or dairy products, even a small residue can grow bacteria.

I, personally, think the reduced exposure to BPA contained in the bags is a really good thing.

439 klys  Oct 15, 2014 10:17:31am
440 calochortus  Oct 15, 2014 10:18:16am

re: #433 Rightwingconspirator

Nothing is perfect, but we’ve had a bag ban here for a couple years and plastic bag litter is way down. I see very few people not using reusable bags at the store. I’ve had my reusable bags (homemade out of denim) for at least 3 years and they are still going strong.

441 FemNaziBitch  Oct 15, 2014 10:20:03am

Thanks, I just retweeted

442 FemNaziBitch  Oct 15, 2014 10:21:14am

re: #440 calochortus

Nothing is perfect, but we’ve had a bag ban here for a couple years and plastic bag litter is way down. I see very few people not using reusable bags at the store. I’ve had my reusable bags (homemade out of denim) for at least 3 years and they are still going strong.

My problem is that i forget to replenish the supply I have in the car.—or forget to take them into the store.

I justified it for a while by using the plastic bags for dog duty, but now, we have started purchasing recyclable dog duty bags … .

443 Sionainn  Oct 15, 2014 10:21:50am

re: #425 Lidane

TYPICAL OBOLA CROSSING TEH STREAMS! ELEVENTY!

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“Pro-life” groups are always angry. Just ignore them.

444 Bulworth  Oct 15, 2014 10:24:20am
Another thing that many people forget to do, reusable bags have to be washed regularly. If you use them to carry meat or dairy products, even a small residue can grow bacteria.

Oh…..

Good point. Thanks for the heads-up.

445 FemNaziBitch  Oct 15, 2014 10:25:51am

re: #443 Sionainn

“Pro-life” groups are always angry. Just ignore them.

I can’t —

Posting Every Day Until the Election -please share

AND WON’T

446 Mike Lamb  Oct 15, 2014 10:25:57am

re: #435 FemNaziBitch

Intimate Partner Violence causes more death than war?

The deeper and really disturbing evidence is that women who defend themselves against their domestic abusers are not allowed self-defense. They are the ones who end-up in prison.

Marissa Alexander is just the tip of the ice berg.

The Abuser and Society have conditioned women to be victims.

A prosecutor in South Carolina is appealing a case where a woman was found not guilty of murder on a stand your ground defense. The prosecutor’s position is that stand your ground shouldn’t apply to domestic abuse. Sickening.

447 FemNaziBitch  Oct 15, 2014 10:26:50am

re: #446 Mike Lamb

A prosecutor in South Carolina is appealing a case where a woman was found not guilty of murder on a stand your ground defense. The prosecutor’s position is that stand your ground shouldn’t apply to domestic abuse. Sickening.

GEE, wonder why?

How many white men are killed in DV situations?

448 Sionainn  Oct 15, 2014 10:27:25am

re: #445 FemNaziBitch

I can’t —

Posting Every Day Until the Election -please share

AND WON’T

Oh, I don’t mean ignore them at the polls. I remember every single thing they do to limit rights of women and I vote accordingly. ;-)

449 WhatEVs  Oct 15, 2014 10:28:35am

re: #433 Rightwingconspirator

California has banned single use plastic bags. A big win for reducing litter, as paper bags break down, and .$10 each is a nice profit. Or we buy those cotton washable bags right? Plus I would re use the single use bags. That really throws the numbers.

About the downside…

How is that possible when a paper bag will dissolve? Is that not a consideration?

450 FemNaziBitch  Oct 15, 2014 10:34:23am

re: #447 FemNaziBitch

GEE, wonder why?

How many white men are killed in DV situations?

Oh wait, I forgot, they are killed in utero …

*spit*

451 Eventual Carrion  Oct 15, 2014 10:34:27am
452 FemNaziBitch  Oct 15, 2014 10:36:34am

bbl

453 sagehen  Oct 15, 2014 10:57:52am

re: #433 Rightwingconspirator

It is unclear which varieties of reusable bags are the most popular, but one common type, the non-woven polypropylene bag (the kind you might buy in the Whole Foods checkout line), must be used 11 times before its global warming impact is less than disposable bags. A standard cotton tote requires 131 uses. Although the study does not factor in other benefits of reusable bags, such as reduced litter, it underscores the fact that reusable bags are only beneficial if they’re actually used.

My market’s reusable bag is good for about 300 uses before it wears thin and needs replacing; it’s much stronger than paper or plastic or both (great for when I’m carrying several 2-liter bottles of soda for a couple of blocks), I can carry it by the handle or hang it from my shoulder and it holds exactly the same volume as the handheld shopping basket so I can gauge my shopping. If I had to go farther than walking distance, it’d be easy on a bus or the subway.

If I happen to stop at a store when I don’t have it with me… the paper/plastic combo makes a great disposable trash can, and it’s infrequent enough I don’t have them piling up in my cupboard anymore.

Not sure this translates well to a car place where people buy two weeks’ groceries for the family all at once…

454 Lidane  Oct 15, 2014 11:07:36am
455 Decatur Deb  Oct 15, 2014 11:08:54am

re: #435 FemNaziBitch

Intimate Partner Violence causes more death than war?

The deeper and really disturbing evidence is that women who defend themselves against their domestic abusers are not allowed self-defense. They are the ones who end-up in prison.

Marissa Alexander is just the tip of the ice berg.

The Abuser and Society have conditioned women to be victims.

It’s problematic that most of the acculturation of boys and girls is provided by mothers, day-care workers, and elementary school teachers. The contact hours of conditioning comes from the victim group. That needs work. Men are notoriously shy of kidcare, hiding out in their ‘careers’.

456 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Oct 15, 2014 11:48:28am

re: #404 FemNaziBitch

Wasn’t there a TNG (Star Trek) episode about this —centering around Wesley?

And a young Ashley Judd!

457 Rightwingconspirator  Oct 15, 2014 11:54:17am

re: #440 calochortus

Nothing is perfect, but we’ve had a bag ban here for a couple years and plastic bag litter is way down. I see very few people not using reusable bags at the store. I’ve had my reusable bags (homemade out of denim) for at least 3 years and they are still going strong.

I agree and pointed that out-Great anti litter law. But if you are like me at all, you may be quite tired of being deceptively oversold on the benefits of a new law.

458 JDRhoades  Oct 15, 2014 1:15:48pm

Never fails. Wingnuts get pass after pass because sites are piss-scared to be accused of bias.


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