Rate of Mass Shootings Has Tripled Since 2011, Harvard Research Shows

By Amy P. Cohen, Deborah Azrael, and Matthew Mille
US News • Views: 37,520

Another epidemic worse than Ebola.

Also — claims in the media that mass shootings aren’t increasing are wrong.

Check out this horrifying Harvard timeline graphic:

Have mass shootings become more common?

According to our statistical analysis of more than three decades of data, in 2011 the United States entered a new period in which mass shootings are occurring more frequently. Our analysis used data compiled by Mother Jones on attacks that took place in public, in which the shooter and the victims generally were unrelated and unknown to each other, and in which the shooter murdered four or more people. (An incident with four or more homicide victims was the threshold count for mass killing established by the FBI a decade ago; a federal law signed by President Obama in 2013 defined the threshold as three or more victims killed.)

So why do we keep hearing in the media that mass shootings have not increased?

This view stems from the work of Northeastern University criminologist James Alan Fox, who has long maintained that mass shootings are a stable phenomenon. (“The growing menace lies more in our fears than in the facts,” he has said.) But Fox’s oft-cited claim is based on a misguided approach to studying the problem: The data he uses includes all homicides in which four or more people were murdered with a gun. His analysis, which counts the number of events per year, lumps together mass shootings in public places with a far more numerous set of mass murders that are contextually distinct—a majority of which stem from domestic violence and occur in private homes. Fox’s annual count and use of overly broad data including many types of mass killings fail to detect the recent shift in public mass shootings.

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518 comments
1 Rightwingconspirator  Oct 15, 2014 9:44:27am

“Public” mass shooting vs not public. What makes a public mass shooting more significant for gun control (or anything else) than non public? It appears they found a subset that has gone up not an overall trend. If proponents of universal registration want to treat this as some kind of motivation actual events have not provided I’m not seeing it.

Even the author in conclusion demurs any increase in mental illness, but proposes nothing instead. The takeaway is not even the author knows what to do with the date except publish it.

I would propose that we have mental stressors from the great recession resonating out there. Availability of guns has been constant except those recent years of hoarding that made some guns hard to buy.

2 Hal_10000  Oct 15, 2014 9:58:51am

This research is garbage built on garbage. They are studying the Mother Jones sample, which includes less than one mass shooting a year and is based *entirely* on media reports. Fox’s research is based on dozens a year culled from the FBI’s comprehensive database of violent crime. Furthermore, the technique they use is extremely prone to highlighting clusters in sparsely sampled data and wildly erratic (note the uptick at the end of the sample). Furthermore, they incorrectly quote the FBI’s study on “active shooters” to claim these are mass shootings (most of the FBI’s active shooter situations did not involve mass shootings).

MJ has a long history of deceptive stats on this. This is just the latest piece of garbage. If you want to use good stats, look at overall violent crime, which has plunged over the last twenty years.

3 Charles Johnson  Oct 15, 2014 10:17:43am

re: #2 Hal_10000

I disagree strongly with your assertions, but especially with this claim:

Furthermore, they incorrectly quote the FBI’s study on “active shooters” to claim these are mass shootings (most of the FBI’s active shooter situations did not involve mass shootings).

The article explains all of the issues around the FBI report very clearly. There’s nothing “incorrect” at all about what they wrote.

I’m promoting this post because I think it’s an important story that needs more visibility.

4 Higgs Boson's Mate  Oct 15, 2014 10:20:06am

Seems like like another example of over thinking things. If Mass shootings are increasing then anti-Catholicism is clearly to blame.

5 Ian G.  Oct 15, 2014 10:24:11am

‘afternoon everyone. Has Chuck Johnson raised the Black Flag yet? I’m going to raise some Black Flag of my own:

Youtube Video

Also, the interwebs are officially freaked out about the plane flight from Cleveland to Dallas that had patient #3 on it. WE’RE ALL GONNA DIE!!!!

6 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Oct 15, 2014 10:25:24am

A Russian Satanist couple has named their son Lucifer. Below you can find the birth certificate of Lyutsifer Konstantinovich Menshikov. SO IT BEGINS…

7 Charles Johnson  Oct 15, 2014 10:31:12am
8 FemNaziBitch  Oct 15, 2014 10:32:11am

YES, IT DOES.

The Election is near, and the Whackos are trying to discredit the FBI by using fear of firearm consfiscations to sway voters.

They couldn’t be more obvious.

9 Higgs Boson's Mate  Oct 15, 2014 10:32:30am

re: #5 Ian G.

WE’RE ALL GONNA DIE!!!!

Isn’t that CNN’s new motto?

10 KerFuFFler  Oct 15, 2014 10:34:49am

re: #1 Rightwingconspirator

What makes a public mass shooting more significant for gun control (or anything else) than non public?

Public mass shootings concern me as an individual more than private ones because they make me feel relatively powerless to protect myself and friends and family from murderous random mayhem. I can choose to not have a gun in my home or to keep them securely locked up to reduce my chances of becoming a statistic. I can refrain from dishonest dealings and despicable behavior that can turn me into somebody’s target. I can seek family counseling in the event of stressful family dynamics. But a random stranger firing scads of bullets in a public space is something I cannot protect myself from except by supporting better gun laws and increased mental health public spending.

True, no gun law will eliminate all tragedies, but that is no reason to do absolutely nothing. If the numbers of public mass shootings have indeed spiked, it is something we need to be aware of so we can begin to address it.

11 Bulworth  Oct 15, 2014 10:35:43am

re:
#9

Yes, Ebola had replaced ISIS and the beheader killer as Enemy #1.

12 Hal_10000  Oct 15, 2014 10:36:22am

re: #3 Charles Johnson

The FBI’s data has the same flaws the Mother Jones data does: it is based primarily on news reports. The FBI does not classify data as “active shootings” or non-active shootings. In fact, the term itself is of relatively modern vintage.

The article is full of other bad analysis. For example:

A run of nine points or more below the orange average line is considered a statistical signal that the underlying process has changed. (A nine-point run below the average is about as likely to occur by chance as flipping a coin nine times and getting heads nine times in a row—the probability is less than 1 percent. The 14-point run we see here is even more unlikely to have occurred by chance.)

That would be true if the data were a normal distribution but it’s not. The majority of their data points are below average. The sample is highly skewed by a few years in which there were very few incidents. In fact, there is another run of nine data points right before the period they claim has the sharp rise. There is a run of eight out of nine around the turn of the century. There are other smaller runs. The sample they use is way too small and sparse for the technique they are using (or really any technique).

I don’t see any testing of the null hypothesis here.

13 Rightwingconspirator  Oct 15, 2014 10:36:53am

re: #2 Hal_10000

The most questionable conclusion assertion is not the incidents but the assertion mental health has been stable. This could be true on a broad basis and utterly wrong in detail, the very details that lead that tiny fraction of us into violence against innocent people with guns or whatever is at hand.

How do you ignore the twin stressors of recession and returning combat stressed soldiers?

14 FemNaziBitch  Oct 15, 2014 10:37:16am

re: #11 Bulworth

re:
#9

Yes, Ebola had replaced ISIS and the beheader killer as Enemy #1.

BENGHAZI

15 Charles Johnson  Oct 15, 2014 10:38:32am
16 FemNaziBitch  Oct 15, 2014 10:39:00am

re: #13 Rightwingconspirator

The most questionable conclusion is not the incidents but the assertion mental health has been stable. This could be true on a broad basis and utterly wrong in detail, the very details that lead that tiny fraction of us into violence against innocent people with guns or whatever is at hand.

How do you ignore the twin stressors of recession and returning combat stressed soldiers.

PTSD is a big deal.

Sadly, most of the PTSD in this country is the residual effect of Domestic Violence and Sexual Assault —NOT FROM FOREIGN WARs.

I’m going to shut-up for today.

bbl

17 Charles Johnson  Oct 15, 2014 10:39:54am

re: #12 Hal_10000

The FBI’s data has the same flaws the Mother Jones data does: it is based primarily on news reports. The FBI does not classify data as “active shootings” or non-active shootings. In fact, the term itself is of relatively modern vintage.

Uh… the title of the FBI report is: “A Study of Active Shooter Incidents in the United States Between 2000 and 2013.”

18 OhNo!EbolaZombies!  Oct 15, 2014 10:41:20am

The nurse…
She was in Akron somewhere around me.
She went to my H.S….
I’m not saying I’m trippin’, cause I’m not, but it’s kind of crazy that stuff keeps happening 10 minutes away from my damn house.

First, people finally figured out Earnest Angsly was a wak-a-do, now this.
Ha!

19 klys  Oct 15, 2014 10:43:41am

re: #17 Charles Johnson

Uh… the title of the FBI report is: “A Study of Active Shooter Incidents in the United States Between 2000 and 2013.”

And it conveniently notes, in the study, that:

To gather information for this study, researchers relied on official police records (where available), FBI records, and open sources.*

* Researchers relied on 104 police department records, after action reports, shooting commission reports, open sources, and FBI resources.

20 Hal_10000  Oct 15, 2014 10:45:42am

re: #17 Charles Johnson

Post priori classification based on searching existing databases, which may not have complete information. None of these were classified as “active shooters” at the time but based on later analysis, in some cases a decade after the facts.

In fact, they specifically note that the FBI does not classify incident as active shooting events. If there are more details in more recent shooting events, that will skew the sample quite easily, especially given the very small number of incident involved (160).

21 Rightwingconspirator  Oct 15, 2014 10:51:08am

re: #10 KerFuFFler
And-blueraven, EPR-radar, klys (klys)
So if a guy shot 4 members of a family or more in a home invasion would it be counted as a public or non public shoot? Or this-Family ‘Hatred’ Shooting Leaves 4 Dead, Including Mom, Brother, Sister And Her Husband

This seems to be motivated to refute an assertion the rate is stable rather than offer any kind of solution at all for the problem. This is an answer in search of more than the one question.

22 Charles Johnson  Oct 15, 2014 10:51:21am

re: #20 Hal_10000

Again, from the actual study, which you seem intent on misrepresenting:

Active shooter is a term used by law enforcement to describe a situation in which a shooting is in progress and an aspect of the crime may affect the protocols used in responding to and reacting at the scene of the incident. Unlike a defined crime, such as a murder or mass killing, the active aspect inherently implies that both law enforcement personnel and citizens have the potential to affect the outcome of the event based upon their responses.

The agreed-upon definition of an active shooter by U.S. government agencies—including the White House, U.S. Department of Justice/FBI, U.S. Department of Education, and U.S. Department of Homeland Security/Federal Emergency Management Agency—is “an individual actively engaged in killing or attempting to kill people in a confined and populated area.” Implicit in this definition is that the subject’s criminal actions involve the use of firearms.

For purposes of its study, the FBI extended this definition to include individuals, because some incidents involved two or more shooters. Though the federal definition includes the word “confined,” the FBI excluded this word in its study, as the term confined could omit incidents that occurred outside a building.

23 Dr. Matt  Oct 15, 2014 10:52:05am

re: #12 Hal_10000

That would be true if the data were a normal distribution but it’s not. .

SPC chart data analyses do not have to be normally distributed (See: PMCID: PMC1758030)

24 Hal_10000  Oct 15, 2014 10:59:00am

re: #22 Charles Johnson

The FBI’s Uniform Crime Reporting system does not capture data specific to active shooters but rather is data derived from more than 18,000 city, university/college, country, state, tribal, and federal law enforcement agencies that voluntarily report monthly on criminal activity in their jurisdictions

In other words, the UCR does not include the information needed to decide if something is an active shooter event. They get that information from other sources and then classify incidents based on what is in those non-FBI reports. But if the recent vintage of reports contains more information that allows them to classify more incidents as active shooter events, that will skew the sample.

It doesn’t have to be a large skew. If you fit their data, you will find that the rise in incidents is less than one per year. Any small change in reporting standards could produce that. That’s what happens when you deal with small numbers.

Aside from that, my other criticisms stand. They are using a technique that is very prone to being fooled by small number stats, don’t show any test of null hypothesis and treat their sample as a normal distribution when it isn’t.

25 klys  Oct 15, 2014 11:05:56am

Step 1: Block any attempts to get funding to study gun violence.
Step 2: Claim what studies are done are inadequate.
Step 3: $$$$$$$$$

I’m gonna go find something better to do with my day.

26 Rev_Arthur_Ebolaing  Oct 15, 2014 11:08:02am

re: #24 Hal_10000

So do you *actively* work for the NRA, or is this just your hobby?

27 Varek Raith  Oct 15, 2014 11:09:23am

That’s rich, CCJ accusing me of stalking.
Oh the pearl clutching!

28 Timothy Watson  Oct 15, 2014 11:09:52am

Long article, both worth the read:

I was watching all this unfold in astonishment and horror, but at first I took the accusations that journalist Nathan Grayson of Kotaku had a personal relationship with Quinn while reviewing her game very seriously. After looking into it, I found that the accusation simply wasn’t true and there was no proof that Grayson had ever penned a review for Kotaku or his former employer, Rock, Paper, Shotgun.

But people who loath Zoe Quinn for being outspoken on social media, for daring to make a game that detractors claimed “wasn’t a game at all,” or for whatever reason people hate other people, didn’t care that no proof actually existed. They ran with that narrative and continue to run with it to this day.

gamepolitics.com

29 Rev_Arthur_Ebolaing  Oct 15, 2014 11:11:35am

re: #1 Rightwingconspirator

“Public” mass shooting vs not public.

I would assume that “not public” means it was intrafamily or some such, i.e., not something that endangered the general population, whereas “public” means any random person could find themselves in the sights of the shooter.

What makes a public mass shooting more significant for gun control (or anything else) than non public?

I don’t think it does.

30 Higgs Boson's Mate  Oct 15, 2014 11:12:17am

re: #24 Hal_10000

Refute the statistics all you want to. Now, refute the tears, refute the graves.

31 Charles Johnson  Oct 15, 2014 11:13:34am
32 Rev_Arthur_Ebolaing  Oct 15, 2014 11:14:09am

re: #28 Timothy Watson

Long article, both worth the read:

gamepolitics.com

I have to admit, the whole #gamergate thing has escaped me. I’m glad there’s pushback against the assholes who are threatening people, but it’s outside my radar since I am not a gamer.

(used to play hockey on the 360, but jeez, a bunch of racist, misogynist assholes liked to get on and chat during games, so I eventually gave it up)

33 Dr. Matt  Oct 15, 2014 11:15:15am

Statisticians are nearly as dogmatic and pedantic as pathologists.

34 Varek Raith  Oct 15, 2014 11:17:24am

re: #30 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Refute the statistics all you want to. Now, refute the tears, refute the graves.

They refuse to acknowledge that we even have a gun problem.

35 NJDhockeyfan  Oct 15, 2014 11:18:14am

Sharks!

36 Rightwingconspirator  Oct 15, 2014 11:20:25am

re: #33 Dr. Matt

Stats are easy for those properly trained and educated, It’s just math. Using them for political or short term policy is easy too. Using them for good long term gains policy is the hard thing. Like getting universal registration passed. Or voting machine reforms implemented. Or getting studies a lot better than the one above funded.

37 Timothy Watson  Oct 15, 2014 11:25:27am

re: #36 Rightwingconspirator

Stats are easy for those properly trained and educated, It’s just math. Using them for political or short term policy is easy too. Using them for good long term gains policy is the hard thing. Like getting universal registration passed. Or voting machine reforms implemented. Or getting studies a lot better than the one above funded.

Of course, what do trained criminologists, including one who writes almost exclusively on active shooters, at the FBI and Texas State University know?
fbi.gov
cj.txstate.edu

38 Timothy Watson  Oct 15, 2014 11:28:45am

re: #36 Rightwingconspirator

Stats are easy for those properly trained and educated, It’s just math. Using them for political or short term policy is easy too. Using them for good long term gains policy is the hard thing. Like getting universal registration passed. Or voting machine reforms implemented. Or getting studies a lot better than the one above funded.

Also:

A panel representing local law enforcement, the FBI, and TXST then used a deliberative process38 to identify the 160 active shooter incidents for this study. Researchers from TXST were consulted extensively throughout this analytical effort.

39 Rev_Arthur_Ebolaing  Oct 15, 2014 11:34:49am

I am amazed at the extent to which people will go to discredit gun-related research. You really don’t think these people know their shit?

Reminds me of the climate change denialist blind spots.

40 RealityBasedEbola  Oct 15, 2014 11:35:07am

Failure to Confirm Preconceived Opinion + Deliberate Misreading =/= Flawed Study

41 Randall Gross  Oct 15, 2014 11:35:13am

re: #1 Rightwingconspirator

The simple answer is more bodies. In the non public family massacre/suicide scenarios you have one family at risk, in the other you have everyone at risk.

42 Dr. Matt  Oct 15, 2014 11:36:54am

re: #39 Rev_Arthur_Belling

I am amazed at the extent to which people will go to discredit gun-related research. You really don’t think these people know their shit?

Reminds me of the climate change denialist blind spots.

50 years ago these people were big tobacco denying the association between smoking and lung cancer.

43 allegro  Oct 15, 2014 11:38:03am

re: #41 Randall Gross

The simple answer is more bodies. In the non public family massacre/suicide scenarios you have one family at risk, in the other you have everyone at risk.

Where guns are involved everyone is at risk. If they’re in a home, those in the home are at risk. if they’re at the mall, those at the mall are at risk. Gee, maybe there’s a common thing in both places?

44 dog philosopher  Oct 15, 2014 11:38:11am

re: #20 Hal_10000

Post priori classification based on searching existing databases, which may not have complete information. None of these were classified as “active shooters” at the time but based on later analysis, in some cases a decade after the facts.

In fact, they specifically note that the FBI does not classify incident as active shooting events. If there are more details in more recent shooting events, that will skew the sample quite easily, especially given the very small number of incident involved (160).

i only wish the statements of conservatives in general took even the least amount of care even for factual accuracy, much less fine toothed comb parsing of statistical procedure and exactly appropriate nomenclature

45 Decatur Deb  Oct 15, 2014 11:39:32am

re: #42 Dr. Matt

50 years ago these people were big tobacco denying the association between smoking and lung cancer.

In some cases, they hardly changed the letterhead.

en.wikipedia.org

46 Randall Gross  Oct 15, 2014 11:41:18am

Let me state this another way: in one scenario you have a very private instance of focused terrorism, in the other you have a very public act of random terrorism. They are entirely different statements, and the magnitude of the body count and the terror per victim in the latter is greater.

47 makeitstop  Oct 15, 2014 11:42:38am
If there are more details in more recent shooting events, that will skew the sample quite easily, especially given the very small number of incident involved (160).

In what world is 160 active shooter incidents a ‘very small number?’

About 160 too many for my money.

48 Jenner7  Oct 15, 2014 11:42:46am

Well, we’re all going to die. Just a heads up. Obama is to blame, of course. And as long as we have food storage and our guns, we’ll be fine.

That’s all according to my FB feed.

Ugh.

49 dog philosopher  Oct 15, 2014 11:43:18am

Donald Trump To Buy Ebola, Run It Into Bankruptcy

50 jaunte  Oct 15, 2014 11:43:19am

re: #12 Hal_10000

What distinction are you drawing between active shootings and non-active shootings?

51 AntonSirius  Oct 15, 2014 11:44:01am

re: #20 Hal_10000

Post priori classification based on searching existing databases, which may not have complete information. None of these were classified as “active shooters” at the time but based on later analysis, in some cases a decade after the facts.

In fact, they specifically note that the FBI does not classify incident as active shooting events. If there are more details in more recent shooting events, that will skew the sample quite easily, especially given the very small number of incident involved (160).

Aren’t those goalposts getting heavy yet?

52 Timothy Watson  Oct 15, 2014 11:44:13am

re: #47 makeitstop

In what world is 160 active shooter incidents a ‘very small number?’

About 160 too many for my money.

It’s also an absurd statement to say when you have to do research on each individual incident, including background, incident reports, etc., etc.

53 Vogon Poetry  Oct 15, 2014 11:45:00am

And this is why we may yet see more cases of Ebola out of Texas Presbyterian:

Health care workers treating Thomas Eric Duncan in a hospital isolation unit didn’t wear protective hazardous-material suits for two days until tests confirmed the Liberian man had Ebola — a delay that potentially exposed perhaps dozens of hospital workers to the virus, according to medical records.

The 3-day window of Sept. 28-30 is now being targeted by investigators for the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention as the key time during which health care workers may have been exposed to the deadly virus by Duncan, who died Oct. 8 from the disease.

Duncan was suspected of having Ebola when he was admitted to a hospital isolation unit Sept. 28, and he developed projectile vomiting and explosive diarrhea later that day, according to medical records his family turned over to The Associated Press.

You think there ought to be lawsuits over all this? You’re damned right - the hospital screwed up every which way imaginable, starting with the assumption that it wasn’t Ebola (whether from the initial contact or even upon admission). They waited two days before the case was confirmed as Ebola, rather than operating under the assumption that it was.

If they operated under the assumption it was Ebola, they’d reduce the chances staffers could contract the disease, but at a higher cost of care.

If they operated under the assumption it wasn’t Ebola - even after he fell into all the risk factor categories - the hospital would increase the chances others would contract the disease, but saving money in the interim.

Which do you think the hospital chose.

I can’t wait to learn what the mortality/morbidity conferences from this hospital are going to look like, let alone the lawsuits from Duncan’s family on down to the nurses and staffers potentially exposed because the hospital chose the path of least cost - assuming that it wasn’t Ebola.

54 jaunte  Oct 15, 2014 11:46:46am
55 Rev_Arthur_Ebolaing  Oct 15, 2014 11:46:46am

re: #51 AntonSirius

Aren’t those goalposts getting heavy yet?

Nah, he(she) just gets the straw men to move them.

56 Rightwingconspirator  Oct 15, 2014 11:47:53am

re: #46 Randall Gross

Apart from possibly refuting the previous stability assertion, what does this teach us? Is it a math statistical eccentric or something actionable? To be fair many studies bring up more questions than answers. This may be another one.

57 Vicious Piebola  Oct 15, 2014 11:48:48am

Not a lot of people either

58 Timothy Watson  Oct 15, 2014 11:49:56am

re: #57 Pie-onist Overlord

Not a lot of people either

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The relationship between population density and crime, how the fuck does that work?

59 Targetpractice  Oct 15, 2014 11:50:07am

re: #53 lawhawk

Starting with AC360 last night, the hospital has started trying to shift the blame onto the CDC, claiming that they had no protocols to operate with because the CDC kept changing them. That’s not going to work in court when the lawyers for the families/staff/etc point out that the hospital training to deal with Ebola as optional, replied to their concerns (neck skin exposed) with half-assed answers (use medical tape), and would not put Duncan in isolation for hours after he’d been admitted.

Combine that with the shit that went down when he first came to the hospital and this comedy of errors is gonna cost somebody a shitload of money.

60 Decatur Deb  Oct 15, 2014 11:50:29am

The President’s approval rating is negative 15 points in todays Gallup. This validates the TPGOP’s only belief—that smearing constantly, loudly, and irrationally is effective if maintained for years.

Gotta crowdsource a “Goebbie” award for this.

61 Randall Gross  Oct 15, 2014 11:51:43am

re: #57 Pie-onist Overlord

And he’s statistically wrong as well. I grew up in Fairbanks, Alaska, population at the time was <30,000. More deaths per capita annually than South Central LA, more guns per capita too.

62 Jenner7  Oct 15, 2014 11:51:55am

Seriously?

63 Vogon Poetry  Oct 15, 2014 11:52:05am

re: #54 jaunte

It’s a problem with the hospital. It’s a problem with the TX Department of Health, which has immediate supervision over the hospital, and its policies and procedures.

Heads must roll at Texas Presbyterian, because they’ve put the public at risk by their actions, omissions, and choices.

The Duncan family claims about the level of care and that he wasn’t given the type of care he required is sounding more and more accurate as each passing day goes along.

64 Decatur Deb  Oct 15, 2014 11:52:26am

re: #57 Pie-onist Overlord

Not a lot of people either

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Simple bullshit. The murder rate in my AL county is routinely higher than NYC.

65 allegro  Oct 15, 2014 11:53:52am

re: #61 Randall Gross

And he’s statistically wrong as well. I grew up in Fairbanks, Alaska, population at the time was <30,000. More deaths per capita annually than South Central LA, more guns per capita too.

Ever visit Maxine’s Past Time bar on Hilton? (you may have been too young to know the place)

66 Dr. Matt  Oct 15, 2014 11:54:07am

re: #49 dog philosopher

Donald Trump To Buy Ebola, Run It Into Bankruptcy

I’m stealing that. Sue me.

:)

67 jaunte  Oct 15, 2014 11:54:24am

re: #57 Pie-onist Overlord

Gun Deaths in Rural and Urban Settings: Recommendations for Prevention

Compared with urban settings, rural areas had a higher percentage of gun deaths from shotguns and rifles and a higher percentage from suicides and accidents (P < .01). Two similarities, however, stand out as more important than the confirmed hypothesized differences: handguns accounted for more than 50% of gun deaths, and suicides accounted for nearly 70% of gun deaths in both urban and rural areas.

Conclusions: Family physicians might want to focus their firearm safety efforts on preventing handgun deaths and suicides, which accounted for most gun deaths in rural and urban areas. Also, data from this study suggest that deaths from shotguns and rifles as well as accidental and suicide gun deaths deserve special attention in rural areas.

Nonfatal and fatal firearm injuries in a rural county.
Conclusions: Incidence rates and case-fatality ratios for firearm injury in this rural setting were greater than expected, based on national estimates, perhaps because of greater proportions of rifle injuries and self-inflicted injuries.
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

68 Jenner7  Oct 15, 2014 11:54:27am

re: #63 lawhawk

Well, wasn’t he sent home with tylenol the first time he went to the ER, even though he had a fever and told them he was in W. Africa?

69 Rev_Arthur_Ebolaing  Oct 15, 2014 11:55:14am

re: #63 lawhawk

It’s a problem with the hospital. It’s a problem with the TX Department of Health, which has immediate supervision over the hospital, and its policies and procedures.

Heads must roll at Texas Presbyterian, because they’ve put the public at risk by their actions, omissions, and choices.

The Duncan family claims about the level of care and that he wasn’t given the type of care he required is sounding more and more accurate as each passing day goes along.

Not to make light of this, but what kind of relief can they get considering Texas’ draconian tort reform laws? I can’t imagine damages will be that much (relatively speaking).

70 Randall Gross  Oct 15, 2014 11:55:44am

re: #65 allegro

Ever visit Maxine’s Past Time bar on Hilton? (you may have been too young to know the place)

No, I was more of a Hillside bar, Boatel, Cabaret, Tommy’s Elbow Room patron. I’ve heard of it from my younger sisters who still reside up there.

71 allegro  Oct 15, 2014 11:56:58am

re: #63 lawhawk

It’s a problem with the hospital. It’s a problem with the TX Department of Health, which has immediate supervision over the hospital, and its policies and procedures.

Heads must roll at Texas Presbyterian, because they’ve put the public at risk by their actions, omissions, and choices.

The Duncan family claims about the level of care and that he wasn’t given the type of care he required is sounding more and more accurate as each passing day goes along.

It sounds like basic Joint Commission standards for ANY infectious or potentially infectious disease were completely ignored.

72 Vicious Piebola  Oct 15, 2014 11:59:45am

re: #58 Timothy Watson

The relationship between population density and crime, how the fuck does that work?

HURR HURR ALL TEH GUN CRIMES IS WHERE TEH OBAMA VOTERS LIVE!!!1!!!!!!!

73 Randall Gross  Oct 15, 2014 11:59:46am

re: #70 Randall Gross

No, I was more of a Hillside bar, Boatel, Cabaret, Tommy’s Elbow Room patron. I’ve heard of it from my younger sisters who still reside up there.

Oh, and the Blue Marlin of course.

74 RealityBasedEbola  Oct 15, 2014 12:01:04pm

re: #72 Pie-onist Overlord

HURR HURR ALL TEH GUN CRIMES IS WHERE TEH OBAMA VOTERS LIVE!!!1!!!!!!!

And fake “FBI CRIME STATS MAP” to prove it too…

75 Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 15, 2014 12:01:18pm

re: #31 Charles Johnson

PDT = Psychotic Demento Time?

76 Feline Fearless Leader  Oct 15, 2014 12:01:26pm

re: #49 dog philosopher

Donald Trump To Buy Ebola, Run It Into Bankruptcy

I thought he was buying it in order to get a new hairpiece made from it that was more wind resistant.

77 Vogon Poetry  Oct 15, 2014 12:01:56pm

re: #69 Rev_Arthur_Belling

Medical malpractice may be limited to $250k, but the creation of unsafe work environment has a different limitation:

(a) In an action in which a claimant seeks recovery of damages, the trier of fact shall determine the amount of economic damages separately from the amount of other compensatory damages.
(b) Exemplary damages awarded against a defendant may not exceed an amount equal to the greater of:
(1)(A) two times the amount of economic damages; plus
(B) an amount equal to any noneconomic damages found by the jury, not to exceed $750,000; or
(2) $200,000.

But beyond that, the hospital may face a loss of accreditation and potentially even criminal charges too (if there’s fraud or other criminal malfeasance uncovered in the course of investigation).

78 jaunte  Oct 15, 2014 12:02:13pm

Gun Culture May Contribute to Suicide Rate in Rural America
Clinicians have trouble convincing parents of troubled children
to lock up firearms at home.

Rural Americans between the ages of 10 and 24 are twice as likely as their urban counterparts to commit suicide. And while youth suicides have declined across the country in recent years, suicide rates in sparsely populated areas have remained steady. While it is hard to pinpoint the reasons for this disparity — access to mental health treatments is a major contributor — one reason may be tied to gun culture.

79 bill d  Oct 15, 2014 12:03:32pm

LOL, retweeted by Judith Miller
@JMfreespeech

btw, Second patient is a 29 year old African American.

80 jaunte  Oct 15, 2014 12:04:42pm

re: #79 b.d.

A chick? So it does pass from humans to birds?

81 Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 15, 2014 12:05:34pm

re: #57 Pie-onist Overlord

Not a lot of people either

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He obviously isn’t paying attention.
There is PLENTY of gun violence in rural areas, it just doesn’t get reported.

82 Rev_Arthur_Ebolaing  Oct 15, 2014 12:06:05pm

re: #77 lawhawk

Thanks for that. I used to live in an area of Texas that was notorious as a “lawsuit shopping” jurisdiction. Vinson and Elkins (?) was a well-known firm there. I personally hope someone pays for this sloppy, dangerous health crisis, and not the regular workers at the hospital who were just doing their jobs.

83 Jenner7  Oct 15, 2014 12:06:06pm

re: #79 b.d.

Oh ffs! He can’t even get the simplest details right. What a dumb ass.

84 Feline Fearless Leader  Oct 15, 2014 12:06:12pm

re: #77 lawhawk

Medical malpractice may be limited to $250k, but the creation of unsafe work environment has a different limitation:

(a) In an action in which a claimant seeks recovery of damages, the trier of fact shall determine the amount of economic damages separately from the amount of other compensatory damages.
(b) Exemplary damages awarded against a defendant may not exceed an amount equal to the greater of:
(1)(A) two times the amount of economic damages; plus
(B) an amount equal to any noneconomic damages found by the jury, not to exceed $750,000; or
(2) $200,000.

But beyond that, the hospital may face a loss of accreditation and potentially even criminal charges too (if there’s fraud or other criminal malfeasance uncovered in the course of investigation).

Economic damages can add up quick as well. Medical costs from being isolated and treated for an extended period of time (if you do get Ebola). And I presume there will be lost work claims, etc. from simply being isolated for three weeks to ensure you don’t actually have it.

Multiply that by a couple of hundred people and I expect even with limited tort the amount will not be that small.

85 Lidane  Oct 15, 2014 12:06:15pm

re: #69 Rev_Arthur_Belling

Not to make light of this, but what kind of relief can they get considering Texas’ draconian tort reform laws? I can’t imagine damages will be that much (relatively speaking).

They’ll get a half assed apology and some Dallas Cowboys tickets.

If they’re lucky.

86 Randall Gross  Oct 15, 2014 12:06:50pm

What this tells me is that number and availability of guns bought by people who are gullible enough to believe in conspiracy theories is having a visible effect.

87 Rev_Arthur_Ebolaing  Oct 15, 2014 12:07:21pm

re: #80 jaunte

A chick? So it does pass from humans to birds?

Avian Ebola!!11!! RUN FOR YOUR LIVES!

88 blueraven  Oct 15, 2014 12:07:48pm

re: #60 Decatur Deb

The President’s approval rating is negative 15 points in todays Gallup. This validates the TPGOP’s only belief—that smearing constantly, loudly, and irrationally is effective if maintained for years.

Gotta crowdsource a “Goebbie” award for this.

Gallup poll is ridiculous. One day it is -6, next day -18. I just don’t think opinion moves that fast. Don’t know what their problem is, but their model was bad in 2012 and they don’t seem to have fixed it.

Not that your point isn’t extremely valid…the president’s poll numbers are bad across the board. It is just more steady with other polls.

89 Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 15, 2014 12:07:54pm

re: #63 lawhawk

It’s a problem with the hospital. It’s a problem with the TX Department of Health, which has immediate supervision over the hospital, and its policies and procedures.

Heads must roll at Texas Presbyterian, because they’ve put the public at risk by their actions, omissions, and choices.

The Duncan family claims about the level of care and that he wasn’t given the type of care he required is sounding more and more accurate as each passing day goes along.

But Rick Perry told America that Texas Presbyterian was TEH BEST prepared to deal with it!
I watched that presser and he did indeed almost break his arm patting himself and Texas on the back while saying that.

90 Rev_Arthur_Ebolaing  Oct 15, 2014 12:09:04pm

re: #88 blueraven

Not that your point isn’t extremely valid…the president’s poll numbers are bad across the board. It is just more steady with other polls.

Good thing he’s not running for reelection! ;)

91 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Oct 15, 2014 12:09:08pm

re: #79 b.d.

“chick”?
That’s his journalistic level, I suppose,

92 Randall Gross  Oct 15, 2014 12:09:35pm

re: #87 Rev_Arthur_Belling

Avian Ebola!!11!! RUN FOR YOUR LIVES!

Avian Hemorrhagic fever OH my!!11ty

93 Vogon Poetry  Oct 15, 2014 12:09:46pm
94 Rev_Arthur_Ebolaing  Oct 15, 2014 12:09:54pm

re: #91 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

“chick”?
That’s his journalistic level, I suppose,

Not just “chick,” but “white chick”! SMDH

95 allegro  Oct 15, 2014 12:10:26pm

re: #84 Feline Fearless Leader

Economic damages can add up quick as well. Medical costs from being isolated and treated for an extended period of time (if you do get Ebola). And I presume there will be lost work claims, etc. from simply being isolated for three weeks to ensure you don’t actually have it.

Multiply that by a couple of hundred people and I expect even with limited tort the amount will not be that small.

I would think that the hospital’s reputation will suffer just a tad as well. I’d be pretty nervous if I was a patient at that hospital or had a family member or friend there during all this. Then there are physicians whose patients were there - are they going to continue their relationships with a hospital with such lax and dangerous standards?

96 Vogon Poetry  Oct 15, 2014 12:10:35pm

re: #91 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

97 Rev_Arthur_Ebolaing  Oct 15, 2014 12:11:31pm

re: #96 lawhawk

Also, journalists don’t normally refer to the race of the person.

Edit: The exception being when there is a crime committed and the race of the perpetrator is key to helping solve the crime.

98 Targetpractice  Oct 15, 2014 12:12:45pm

re: #97 Rev_Arthur_Belling

Also, journalists don’t normally refer to the race of the person.

Gotta make sure the lynch mob knows the color of their target.

99 RealityBasedEbola  Oct 15, 2014 12:13:16pm

re: #96 lawhawk
@ChuckCJohnson journalists do not refer to women as chicks. Smear mongers like yourself, OTOH, do.

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He’s just showing how he’s “Cutting Edge” and “Rules don’t Apply to Me”. I’m sure his billionaire venture capitalist associates appreciate that.

You can’t fence in the “Free Range Chucky”

RBS

100 Feline Fearless Leader  Oct 15, 2014 12:14:21pm

re: #87 Rev_Arthur_Belling

Avian Ebola!!11!! RUN FOR YOUR LIVES!

Which is airborne as well unless only penguins and emus get it.
/

101 Vicious Piebola  Oct 15, 2014 12:14:25pm

re: #74 RealityBasedSteve

And fake “FBI CRIME STATS MAP” to prove it too…

102 Rev_Arthur_Ebolaing  Oct 15, 2014 12:14:37pm

re: #99 RealityBasedSteve

He didn’t stay gone for very long, did he? Must be tiring being such an award-winning journalist. ////

103 makeitstop  Oct 15, 2014 12:14:39pm

re: #99 RealityBasedSteve

You can’t fence in the “Free Range Chucky”

Nobody puts Psychobaby in the corner.

104 Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 15, 2014 12:14:57pm

re: #79 b.d.

LOL, retweeted by Judith Miller
@JMfreespeech

btw, Second patient is a 25 year old African American.

[Embedded content]

And the Daily Fail (who stole UpChuck’s scoop while LGF was suppressing him for THREE HOURS!!11!!) says she is 29 years old.

Responsible Journalism…such an exact science!!11!! //

105 Rev_Arthur_Ebolaing  Oct 15, 2014 12:15:45pm

re: #104 Backwoods_Sleuth

And the Daily Fail (who stole UpChuck’s scoop while LGF was suppressing him for THREE HOURS!!11!!) says she is 29 years old.

Responsible Journalism…such an exact science!!11!! How do it work? //

Fixorated.

106 Vicious Piebola  Oct 15, 2014 12:16:18pm

re: #99 RealityBasedSteve

@ChuckCJohnson journalists do not refer to women as chicks. Smear mongers like yourself, OTOH, do.

He’s just showing how he’s “Cutting Edge” and “Rules don’t Apply to Me”. I’m sure his billionaire venture capitalist associates appreciate that.

You can’t fence in the “Free Range Chucky”

RBS

He thinks “Glenn Greenwald is an asshole to everybody and he got a bunch of money from Pierre. Maybe if I am an asshole to everybody I can get a bunch of money from the CEO of Jimmy John or Chick Fil-A”

107 Dr. Matt  Oct 15, 2014 12:16:34pm

Wasn’t one of the RWNJs recently celebrating that there hasn’t been any major hurricanes over the last 5 years (except for Sandy, Igor, Irene, etc):

Category 4 Hurricane Gonzalo aims for Bermuda

108 Feline Fearless Leader  Oct 15, 2014 12:16:37pm

re: #104 Backwoods_Sleuth

And the Daily Fail (who stole UpChuck’s scoop while LGF was suppressing him for THREE HOURS!!11!!) says she is 29 years old.

Responsible Journalism…such an exact science!!11!! //

Journalism must be burned to the ground before Greenwald can successfully rebuild it.
///

109 Bubblehead II  Oct 15, 2014 12:17:29pm
111 Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 15, 2014 12:17:37pm

re: #107 Dr. Matt

Wasn’t one of the RWNJs recently celebrating that there hasn’t been any major hurricanes over the last 5 years (except for Sandy, Igor, Irene, etc):

Category 4 Hurricane Gonzalo aims for Bermuda

And Hurricane Fay (Category 2) just left Bermuda a few days ago.

112 Dr. Matt  Oct 15, 2014 12:17:46pm

re: #79 b.d.

She’s 26 year old, white chick.

“White chick”? He must have picked that up in ‘Advanced Journalistic Prose 302’.

113 Rev_Arthur_Ebolaing  Oct 15, 2014 12:18:02pm

re: #107 Dr. Matt

Wasn’t one of the RWNJs recently celebrating that there hasn’t been any major hurricanes over the last 5 years (except for Sandy, Igor, Irene, etc):

Category 4 Hurricane Gonzalo aims for Bermuda

Not affecting US mainland (aka white people), so, not relevant. (There’s one in the Pacific that’s aiming at Hawaii atm too)

114 Vogon Poetry  Oct 15, 2014 12:18:03pm

re: #107 Dr. Matt

Making landfall… As though that is the only indicator of storm strength or effects of global warming.

We’d also have to ignore the spate of massive and severe storms in the Pacific, including several record breakers in the past couple of years weeks.

115 Ian G.  Oct 15, 2014 12:18:36pm

finance.yahoo.com

I’m not sure where the above sits on the BFD scale, but I doubt that a company like Lockheed-Martin would really put its reputation on the line unless they’ve figured something out.

And I’ve long see mass fusion energy as a solution to practically every freakin’ problem on earth. Do you want Arch Coal and the Koch boys to get their money the hell out of politics? Do you hate Vladimir Putin’s international aggression? Want the Saudis to stop funding jihad? Or maybe you think that none of this matters because we’re going to destroy ourselves with climate change? Well, this handy-dandy device has the potential to solve all of this.

116 Rev_Arthur_Ebolaing  Oct 15, 2014 12:19:56pm

re: #115 Ian G.

finance.yahoo.com
Well, this handy-dandy device has the potential to solve all of this.

Filed under “Believe It When I See It.”

117 Ian G.  Oct 15, 2014 12:20:26pm

re: #107 Dr. Matt

Yeah, well, except for Typhoon Haiyan, just last friggin’ year. Of course, it didn’t hit Murka, so who gives a damn?

118 Jenner7  Oct 15, 2014 12:20:45pm

Exclusive on CNN, Top General worries if Ebola can go airborne.

Gen. Martin Dempsey

Gupta just quoted a scientist says it has ZERO percent of happening.

This is our media. Dear God.

119 Dr. Matt  Oct 15, 2014 12:20:59pm
120 Dead Tired  Oct 15, 2014 12:21:01pm

re: #107 Dr. Matt

Wasn’t one of the RWNJs recently celebrating that there hasn’t been any major hurricanes over the last 5 years (except for Sandy, Igor, Irene, etc):

Category 4 Hurricane Gonzalo aims for Bermuda

I think the idea is that there have been relatively few large hurricanes hitting the American coastline. All other storms don’t count.

121 Rev_Arthur_Ebolaing  Oct 15, 2014 12:21:03pm

re: #117 Ian G.

Yeah, well, except for Typhoon Haiyan, just last friggin’ year. Of course, it didn’t hit Murka, so who gives a damn?

Yeah, and there was a huge ass typhoon just this week aiming at Japan.

122 Vicious Piebola  Oct 15, 2014 12:21:12pm
123 Ian G.  Oct 15, 2014 12:21:22pm

re: #116 Rev_Arthur_Belling

Filed under “Believe It When I See It.”

Yeah, that’s where I’m at too. I’m just saying that this isn’t some loon on the Alex Jones show talking about this. It’s a major, major defense contractor. I don’t think they’d be talking about this unless they had something.

124 Bulworth  Oct 15, 2014 12:21:46pm

er:
#79

Second patient’s name is Amber Vinson. She’s 26 year old, white chick. #ebola
— Charles C. Johnson (@ChuckCJohnson) October 15, 2014

I’ve won journalism awards over all the country!!!!!!!1111

125 RealityBasedEbola  Oct 15, 2014 12:22:54pm

re: #110 Pie-onist Overlord

LOLWHUT

[Embedded content]

Sets self on fire, flips over desk and nail the landing.

Because little things known as force multipliers (Logistics, Artillery, Air Support, Intel) don’t matter. If it was a matter of numbers, just do a roster count, see who had the most people, and call the war over.

RBS

126 Ian G.  Oct 15, 2014 12:23:04pm

re: #110 Pie-onist Overlord

Speaking of dumbasses in the woods vs. the People’s Liberation Army, how do you think the guys at the bottom of that image would fare against, say, a line of Type 59 tanks?

127 Rev_Arthur_Ebolaing  Oct 15, 2014 12:23:27pm

re: #123 Ian G.

It’s a major, major defense contractor. I don’t think they’d be talking about this unless they had something.

Which means they’re trying to figure out how to gouge the shit out of the public with it. (my cynicism meter may be pegged today) ;)

128 Jenner7  Oct 15, 2014 12:23:29pm

Video

Upchuck

129 Bulworth  Oct 15, 2014 12:23:30pm

re:
#119

Since the second
#Ebola
nurse is black. has
@ChuckCJohnson
started looking for her “juvenile arrest records” yet?

She was friend of Michael Brown in Bloods gang, here is File Foto!

130 Feline Fearless Leader  Oct 15, 2014 12:24:08pm

re: #125 RealityBasedSteve

Sets self on fire, flips over desk and nail the landing.

Because little things know as force multipliers (Logistics, Artillery, Air Support, Intel) don’t matter. If it was a matter of numbers, just do a roster count, see who had the most people, and call the war over.

RBS

Human wave assault for the win.
/

131 Rev_Arthur_Ebolaing  Oct 15, 2014 12:24:49pm

re: #125 RealityBasedSteve

Sets self on fire, flips over desk and nail the landing.

RBS

Haven’t seen a desk fire/flip in a while. Impressive!

132 Bulworth  Oct 15, 2014 12:25:22pm

re:
#122

Ebola is when the libertarians who spent 2 years fapping about Ed Snowden and civil liberties suddenly start arguing for forced quarantine.

NSA spying caused Ebola!

133 Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 15, 2014 12:26:40pm

re: #79 b.d.

LOL, retweeted by Judith Miller
@JMfreespeech

btw, Second patient is a 25 year old African American.

[Embedded content]

Also, this was an amusing exchange earlier today. And even MORE amusing now that we know the second nurse is a 29-year-old African American:

Math…it is soooo hard.

134 nines09  Oct 15, 2014 12:28:16pm

re: #118 Jenner7

Exclusive on CNN, Top General worries if Ebola can go airborne.

Gen. Martin Dempsey

Gupta just quoted a scientist says it has ZERO percent of happening.

This is our media. Dear God.

I think I see a pattern here. (/) If you are a TV “star” a “personality” an ex politician or even an active one, a retired military or even active, former movie sitcom or talk show hack, you know everything about everything and shall be foisted off on the American people as a credible source of concrete answers. If, on the other hand, you are a scientist or physicist or doctor in the field/problem in which the “news” show is televising, you are never heard from or you are ridiculed. TV used to be a wasteland, now it’s a disinformation machine.

135 bill d  Oct 15, 2014 12:29:39pm

re: #133 Backwoods_Sleuth

Also, this was an amusing exchange earlier today. And even MORE amusing now that we know the second nurse is a 29-year-old African American:

[Embedded content]

Math…it is soooo hard.

Doh’. I got her age wrong too, edited.

But Mr. Cronkite was off on her age and race but nailed her gender.

//

136 Bulworth  Oct 15, 2014 12:30:13pm

re:
#133

did birthday wrong in my head

A lot of other things wrong in that head, too.

137 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Oct 15, 2014 12:30:44pm

re: #103 makeitstop

Nobody puts Babycakes in the corner.

ftfy

138 Mike Lamb  Oct 15, 2014 12:31:19pm

re: #126 Ian G.

Speaking of dumbasses in the woods vs. the People’s Liberation Army, how do you think the guys at the bottom of that image would fare against, say, a line of Type 59 tanks?

They think Red Dawn was a documentary, so they think they could do pretty well.

139 Vogon Poetry  Oct 15, 2014 12:31:40pm
140 Targetpractice  Oct 15, 2014 12:32:20pm

re: #115 Ian G.

finance.yahoo.com

I’m not sure where the above sits on the BFD scale, but I doubt that a company like Lockheed-Martin would really put its reputation on the line unless they’ve figured something out.

And I’ve long see mass fusion energy as a solution to practically every freakin’ problem on earth. Do you want Arch Coal and the Koch boys to get their money the hell out of politics? Do you hate Vladimir Putin’s international aggression? Want the Saudis to stop funding jihad? Or maybe you think that none of this matters because we’re going to destroy ourselves with climate change? Well, this handy-dandy device has the potential to solve all of this.

I’m willing to at least entertain the possibility that Lockheed’s Skunk Works have yet again produced a miracle, but I think the only way we’ll actually know is when they put one on display. Still, if they’re right and in 10 years we’ll have fusion plants small enough to move with a large truck, then the world will change practically overnight.

141 Rev_Arthur_Ebolaing  Oct 15, 2014 12:32:43pm

re: #139 lawhawk

WEST AFRICA ISN’T A FUCKING COUNTRY, YOU MORON!

(not yelling at you LH, just - gah!)

142 Rev_Arthur_Ebolaing  Oct 15, 2014 12:33:30pm

re: #140 Targetpractice

Still, if they’re right and in 10 years we’ll have fusion plants small enough to move with a large truck, then the world will change practically overnight.

You have far more faith in humanity than I do. sigh

143 Bulworth  Oct 15, 2014 12:33:34pm

re:
#133

@justindignation
@Support
did birthday wrong in my head
— Charles C. Johnson (
@ChuckCJohnson
)
October 15, 2014

@support? Is Chuck C. Journalist still including Twitter @support in his stupid tweets? Or is that somebody else?

144 Mike Lamb  Oct 15, 2014 12:34:32pm

re: #139 lawhawk

[Embedded content]

How about reconvening to vote on the aid to West African countries that would actually do FAR more good in containing this outbreak than voting to ban the 10-20 (if that) direct flights from West African countries where ebola is present?

145 Charles Johnson  Oct 15, 2014 12:34:45pm
146 Vogon Poetry  Oct 15, 2014 12:35:18pm

re: #144 Mike Lamb

Youtube Video

147 De Kolta Chair  Oct 15, 2014 12:35:27pm

re: #133 Backwoods_Sleuth

148 Rev_Arthur_Ebolaing  Oct 15, 2014 12:35:58pm

re: #145 Charles Johnson

He did the race wrong in his head.

149 Vogon Poetry  Oct 15, 2014 12:35:58pm

re: #145 Charles Johnson

There’s that professional journalism CCJ touts for you. Always paying attention to the finer details.

150 Ace-o-aces  Oct 15, 2014 12:36:50pm

re: #145 Charles Johnson

151 Bubblehead II  Oct 15, 2014 12:38:09pm

Lovely. Now under a wind advisory. Expecting gusts up to 50 mph.

152 Dead Tired  Oct 15, 2014 12:39:11pm

re: #131 Rev_Arthur_Belling

Haven’t seen a desk fire/flip in a while. Impressive!

Don’t let him kid you, I watched the flip & he face planted. I assume unintentionally.

153 Lidane  Oct 15, 2014 12:39:28pm
154 Targetpractice  Oct 15, 2014 12:41:31pm

re: #142 Rev_Arthur_Belling

You have far more faith in humanity than I do. sigh

All the benefits of fission energy without the major drawbacks (meltdowns, lot of radioactive waste, expensive fuel)? Governments would allow Lockheed to name its own prices just to get a chance at one of these reactors.

155 Higgs Boson's Mate  Oct 15, 2014 12:41:45pm

re: #133 Backwoods_Sleuth

did birthday wrong in my head.

Edited for accuracy and brevity.

156 Rightwingconspirator  Oct 15, 2014 12:42:35pm

re: #97 Rev_Arthur_Belling

Also, journalists don’t normally refer to the race of the person.

Edit: The exception being when there is a crime committed and the race of the perpetrator is key to helping solve the crime.

Or… Freguson.
//

157 danarchy  Oct 15, 2014 12:44:57pm

re: #140 Targetpractice

I’m willing to at least entertain the possibility that Lockheed’s Skunk Works have yet again produced a miracle, but I think the only way we’ll actually know is when they put one on display. Still, if they’re right and in 10 years we’ll have fusion plants small enough to move with a large truck, then the world will change practically overnight.

While it is an exciting prospect, any time a scientist tells me something is still 5-10 years away it means they really have no idea. I’d love to go over the scientific journals and articles and see how many people have predicted something being 5-10 years out that never happened or that is still 5-10 years away.

The fact that it is the skunkworks gives it a little cred, but just a little.

158 Rev_Arthur_Ebolaing  Oct 15, 2014 12:45:55pm

re: #157 danarchy

While it is an exciting prospect, any time a scientist tells me something is still 5-10 years away it means they really have no idea. I’d love to go over the scientific journals and articles and see how many people have predicted something being 5-10 years out that never happened or that is still 5-10 years away.

So it’s like a Friedman unit for science? :)

159 Ace-o-aces  Oct 15, 2014 12:46:04pm

re: #149 lawhawk

There’s that professional journalism CCJ touts for you. Always paying attention to the finer details.

Be fair, he did get the gender right.

160 Vicious Piebola  Oct 15, 2014 12:46:15pm

re: #125 RealityBasedSteve

Sets self on fire, flips over desk and nail the landing.

Because little things known as force multipliers (Logistics, Artillery, Air Support, Intel) don’t matter. If it was a matter of numbers, just do a roster count, see who had the most people, and call the war over.

RBS

I like how they use the “Duck Dynasty” guys in their meme.

161 Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 15, 2014 12:47:27pm

Something for Bryan Fischer.

162 Vogon Poetry  Oct 15, 2014 12:47:49pm

re: #157 danarchy

It’s the Skunk Works without Kelly Johnson, so there’s that.

If they’re saying 3-5 years, it’s probably closer to 10-15. But fusion researchers have been saying that for decades now.

I’d be real curious what their breakthrough relates to, and I think this was a call for companies like GE, Westinghouse, Alstom, and Siemens and Samsung to get involved, since they’re involved in energy production and/or are familiar with nuclear facilities.

163 Vicious Piebola  Oct 15, 2014 12:48:23pm
164 Dead Tired  Oct 15, 2014 12:48:35pm

re: #161 Backwoods_Sleuth

Something for Bryan Fischer.

[Embedded content]

Saw a dead bear on the side of the road yesterday. First time ever.

165 Dead Tired  Oct 15, 2014 12:49:41pm

re: #163 Pie-onist Overlord

[Embedded content]

Is that the image of a four leaf clover I see in the centre?

Must be an omen.

166 Lidane  Oct 15, 2014 12:50:13pm

I’m pretty sure these used to be called lynch mobs:

167 Ace-o-aces  Oct 15, 2014 12:50:35pm

“[Protesters] destroyed a city to get a cop who was defending himself. Look at the picture of him in the hospital with his eye socket practically blown out,” he said of Officer Darren Wilson, in reference to a bogus photograph that is confirmed to be of a completely unrelated person.

The asshole conflates the fake CT scan with the fake hospital photo. He can’t even keep his racist bullshit straight.

168 Dead Tired  Oct 15, 2014 12:51:56pm

I’m watching my cat go nuts over a neighbour cat visiting our back yard. He’s running back and forth between the dinning room and living room windows and scratching them trying to get the other cat’s attention.

It really reminds me of ChuckC

169 Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 15, 2014 12:54:11pm

He’s awake from his nap:

170 Ace-o-aces  Oct 15, 2014 12:55:12pm

Savage gave an idea of how the imaginary tribunal would work: “Department of Education, Arne Duncan, for lowering educational standards in America and brainwashing our children. Arne Duncan, people’s tribunal. ‘Mr. Duncan, step before the people, what actually did you achieve while you were here as secretary of education, Mr. Duncan?’ ‘Well I taught the children how to put a condom on a cucumber.’ ‘OK, next case, 25 years in Siberia.’”

Weiner/Savage has gone so far over the edge, he’s reverted to his commie days.

171 Rev_Arthur_Ebolaing  Oct 15, 2014 12:55:19pm

re: #169 Backwoods_Sleuth

still a “chick,” though. Ugh, this guy is utterly repulsive (I know, goes without saying).

172 Dr. Matt  Oct 15, 2014 12:55:31pm

re: #169 Backwoods_Sleuth

He’s awake from his nap:

Mommy brought in his afternoon snack of fritos and orange kool-aid.

173 wrenchwitch  Oct 15, 2014 12:56:14pm

She has a hysterical series of these, each with side-eye or an eye-roll photo. Here are a couple:

She funny. I follow.

174 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Oct 15, 2014 12:56:19pm

re: #115 Ian G.

finance.yahoo.com

I’m not sure where the above sits on the BFD scale, but I doubt that a company like Lockheed-Martin would really put its reputation on the line unless they’ve figured something out.

And I’ve long see mass fusion energy as a solution to practically every freakin’ problem on earth. Do you want Arch Coal and the Koch boys to get their money the hell out of politics? Do you hate Vladimir Putin’s international aggression? Want the Saudis to stop funding jihad? Or maybe you think that none of this matters because we’re going to destroy ourselves with climate change? Well, this handy-dandy device has the potential to solve all of this.

Load up the Mr. Fusion. Where we’re going … we don’t need roads.

175 wrenchwitch  Oct 15, 2014 12:56:52pm

re: #169 Backwoods_Sleuth

He’s awake from his nap:

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Of course she’s hot. She has a fever.

176 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Oct 15, 2014 12:57:47pm

re: #169 Backwoods_Sleuth

Still pretty hot, though

Journamalism, how the hell does it work?

177 makeitstop  Oct 15, 2014 12:58:21pm

re: #170 Ace-o-aces

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Weiner/Savage has gone so far over the edge, he’s reverted to his commie days.

Every time I read anything he says, my first thought is ‘syphilitic brain.’

178 Rev_Arthur_Ebolaing  Oct 15, 2014 12:58:24pm

re: #170 Ace-o-aces

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Weiner/Savage has gone so far over the edge, he’s reverted to his commie days.

Sounds like he’s reliving scenes from “Dark Knight Rises” as a wet dream.

Death or exile?

179 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Oct 15, 2014 12:59:25pm

re: #167 Ace-o-aces

Horowitz advocates using the alleged liberal tactics against liberals, which, in his sick head, must include lying. He most probably creates intentional confusion.

180 Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 15, 2014 1:00:02pm
181 wrenchwitch  Oct 15, 2014 1:01:54pm

re: #179 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

Horowitz advocates using the alleged liberal tactics against liberals, which, in his sick head, must include lying. He most probably creates intentional confusion.

A pseudo-Alinskyite.

182 Vogon Poetry  Oct 15, 2014 1:04:44pm

re: #172 Dr. Matt

It’s Cheesy Poofs. And you better respect his author-i-tay. He’s reported this to the police… and you’ll be hearing from his lawyers too.

183 Feline Fearless Leader  Oct 15, 2014 1:04:58pm

re: #170 Ace-o-aces

Weiner/Savage has gone so far over the edge, he’s reverted to his commie days.

People’s Revolutionary Tribunal

Could be pretty anti-communist actually.

Don’t forget that “People’s Court” references can get very Nazi very quickly as well.

184 Timothy Watson  Oct 15, 2014 1:05:01pm

re: #178 Rev_Arthur_Belling

Sounds like he’s reliving scenes from “Dark Knight Rises” as a wet dream.

Death or exile?

Death…by exile!

185 Rev_Arthur_Ebolaing  Oct 15, 2014 1:05:24pm

Meta: How many down dings does someone have to accumulate before getting the ban hammer? Because Hal_10000 is way in the red.

(probably a sockpuppet/troll anyway)

186 Vogon Poetry  Oct 15, 2014 1:05:37pm

re: #180 Backwoods_Sleuth

187 Targetpractice  Oct 15, 2014 1:05:52pm

So the same nimrod who berated other news agencies for holding off on identifying the first nurse runs out of the gate with the second nurse…and when called on the fact that he got race and age wrong, sniffs that all initial reports are incorrect. This man has absolutely no self-awareness whatsoever.

188 Feline Fearless Leader  Oct 15, 2014 1:07:23pm

re: #187 Targetpractice

So the same nimrod who berated other news agencies for holding off on identifying the first nurse runs out of the gate with the second nurse…and when called on the fact that he got name and age wrong, sniffs that all initial reports are incorrect. This man has absolutely no self-awareness whatsoever.

He’s supremely self-aware that he can thumb his nose at Twitter, journalistic standards, and logic as much as he wants however.

189 Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 15, 2014 1:07:32pm

Stoking the hysteria:

Kent State Relatives of Ebola Nurse Told to Stay Away

The Ebola-infected nurse who flew from Dallas to Ohio has three relatives who work at Kent State University but did not visit the campus during her visit, officials said Wednesday. A university spokesman said no one from the school had been quarantined but the relatives are being asked to stay off campus and monitor themselves for signs of illness for 21 days.

“She stayed with her family at their home in Summit County and did not step foot on our campus,” university President Beverly Warren said of the nurse, who has two degrees from the school. “We want to assure our university community that we are taking this information seriously, taking steps to communicate what we know.”

190 Higgs Boson's Mate  Oct 15, 2014 1:07:42pm

re: #180 Backwoods_Sleuth

You must excuse CCJ’s minor reportorial lapses at the moment; he’s anxiously waiting for the billionaires to land their Gulfstreams on the street in front of his mom’s house.

191 Rev_Arthur_Ebolaing  Oct 15, 2014 1:08:29pm

re: #186 lawhawk

Not to mention this: “Most reports during initial reporting are incorrect.” is bullshit. Most reporters try to be as accurate as possible in their initial reporting. Some of that has slipped as the social media news cycle has taken over (I’m eyeing you, CNN and your Boston bombing coverage), but it’s still the gold standard.

Also, most “initial reporting” is done by people actually on the ground in the situation. UpChuck is in a basement in California, so he has no “initial reports.”

Dumb fuck.

192 Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 15, 2014 1:08:55pm
193 wrenchwitch  Oct 15, 2014 1:09:27pm

re: #185 Rev_Arthur_Belling

Meta: How many down dings does someone have to accumulate before getting the ban hammer? Because Hal_10000 is way in the red.

(probably a sockpuppet/troll anyway)

He still has a positive karma total.

As far as I know, no one has been booted based on karma.

194 Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 15, 2014 1:09:36pm

re: #191 Rev_Arthur_Belling

All of his initial reports came from twitter un-sources.

195 jaunte  Oct 15, 2014 1:09:37pm

re: #192 Backwoods_Sleuth

Dude-alism

196 Targetpractice  Oct 15, 2014 1:10:08pm

re: #192 Backwoods_Sleuth

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“Why is everybody picking on me?!”

197 Rev_Arthur_Ebolaing  Oct 15, 2014 1:10:27pm

re: #193 wrenchwench

Thanks. He disappeared from the thread pretty quick, so just wondering.

198 makeitstop  Oct 15, 2014 1:10:36pm

re: #192 Backwoods_Sleuth

Even though other publications printed her age wrong first I’m going to be attacked for mentioning it now.

You have to marvel at how he goes from cartoonish bravado to full-on whiny bitch mode in the blink of an eye.

199 Rev_Arthur_Ebolaing  Oct 15, 2014 1:11:06pm

re: #192 Backwoods_Sleuth

I would hate to be turned into a fucking hashtag by UpChuck.

200 Higgs Boson's Mate  Oct 15, 2014 1:11:31pm

re: #192 Backwoods_Sleuth

Even though the Moon is nearly 240,000 away its gravity is still 1/6 that of Earth’s.

201 Jenner7  Oct 15, 2014 1:11:42pm
202 Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 15, 2014 1:12:48pm

UpChuck’s brand of “journalism” summed up in one tweet:

203 Lidane  Oct 15, 2014 1:13:27pm

Shep Smith is having one of his obligatory blind squirrel/stopped clock moments again:

204 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Oct 15, 2014 1:13:47pm

Where’s Buck?
//

205 Targetpractice  Oct 15, 2014 1:14:01pm

re: #202 Backwoods_Sleuth

UpChuck’s brand of “journalism” summed up in one tweet:

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Yeah, when you put being first with a story above accuracy, then you deserve all the derision you receive.

206 Bubblehead II  Oct 15, 2014 1:15:17pm

re: #192 Backwoods_Sleuth

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207 Targetpractice  Oct 15, 2014 1:15:37pm

re: #203 Lidane

Shep Smith is having one of his obligatory blind squirrel/stopped clock moments again:

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FNC keeps Shep around to fulfill the mandatory “Lone Voice of Reason” quota. So long as he speaks up at least once a year, they’re covered for all the whacked out shit that fills every other hour.

Though there are moments like these that always give me the impression that Murdoch handed him a script. Uh, Shep, you do realize you work for a network that’s been wall-to-wall craziness about Ebola for months now, right?

208 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Oct 15, 2014 1:15:57pm

re: #180 Backwoods_Sleuth

Have some respect. That’s 168 IQ points worth of doofus you’re talking about.

209 makeitstop  Oct 15, 2014 1:17:13pm

re: #203 Lidane

Shep Smith is having one of his obligatory blind squirrel/stopped clock moments again:

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I hear there’s a little extra something in his paycheck after he has one of those.
/

210 Ian G.  Oct 15, 2014 1:17:22pm

re: #203 Lidane

I don’t think Smith is a proverbial blind squirrel. He’s a legitimate journalist who, for some reason, continues to be employed at a network that does whatever the opposite of journalism is.

211 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Oct 15, 2014 1:18:33pm

re: #208 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi

Have some respect. That’s 168 IQ points worth of doofus you’re talking about.

That’s 150 only in a state of intellectual arousal. Normally it’s 15 ;)

212 Randall Gross  Oct 15, 2014 1:18:43pm

Going back to subject of post momentarily:

As the chart above shows, a public mass shooting occurred on average every 172 days since 1982. The orange reference line depicts this average; data points below the orange line indicate shorter intervals between incidents, i.e., mass shootings occurring at a faster pace. Since September 6, 2011, there have been 14 public mass shootings at an average interval of less than 172 days. A run of nine points or more below the orange average line is considered a statistical signal that the underlying process has changed. (A nine-point run below the average is about as likely to occur by chance as flipping a coin nine times and getting heads nine times in a row—the probability is less than 1 percent. The 14-point run we see here is even more unlikely to have occurred by chance.) The standard interpretation of this chart would be that mass shootings, as of September 2011, are now part of a new, accelerated, process.

Because the chart signals that a new process started around September 2011, we can divide the chart at that point to analyze each phase separately. In the first 29-year phase, mass shootings occurred every 200 days on average. In the subsequent three-year phase, mass shootings occurred every 64 days on average:
Image: shootingsSince2011.png

What’s got this started? Moar gunz? A statistically blip caused by a bow wave of baby boomers with guns hitting the Alzheimer’s zone? An uptick in insane talk show talk?

213 Charles Johnson  Oct 15, 2014 1:20:05pm
214 Lidane  Oct 15, 2014 1:20:08pm

re: #210 Ian G.

I don’t think Smith is a proverbial blind squirrel. He’s a legitimate journalist who, for some reason, continues to be employed at a network that does whatever the opposite of journalism is.

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

That’s his reason. That and the fact that Murdoch needs someone on staff who at least tries to pretend that they’re a journalist so he can point to them and call Fox a news organization.

215 Higgs Boson's Mate  Oct 15, 2014 1:20:57pm

re: #208 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi

Have some respect. That’s 168 IQ points worth of doofus you’re talking about.

It’s easy to see how many of those points he devotes to journalism. Now what’s he doing with the remaining 100?

216 Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 15, 2014 1:21:01pm

re: #212 Randall Gross

Going back to subject of post momentarily:

(snip)

What’s got this started? Moar gunz? A statistically blip caused by a bow wave of baby boomers with guns hitting the Alzheimer’s zone? An uptick in insane talk show talk?

Really good questions, none of which the media or politicians want to address.

217 Ian G.  Oct 15, 2014 1:21:03pm

re: #166 Lidane

I’m pretty sure these used to be called lynch mobs:

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Ace-o-aces beat me to it, but “people’s tribunals” sounds much more like Leninism than a lynch mob, at least in practice.

More evidence that radical politics is a circle. Eventually, the lunatic left and the lunatic right meet in the same place.

218 Bubblehead II  Oct 15, 2014 1:21:58pm
219 Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 15, 2014 1:23:09pm

re: #213 Charles Johnson

good freaking grief.
My sister has nursing licenses in four states because she’s an agency nurse who travels to do private duty.

220 BeachDem  Oct 15, 2014 1:24:26pm

And speaking of unhinged…

Fox News contributor Keith Ablow went on an unhinged racial rant against President Obama, accusing him of failing to protect the country against Ebola because his “affinities, his affiliations are with” Africa and “not us … He’s their leader.” Ablow also compared America to a hostage with Stockholm Syndrome, electing a man who dislikes the country and “has names very similar to two of our archenemies, Osama, well, Obama. And Hussein.”

Ablow then purported to speak from “deep inside the president’s psyche”

mediamatters.org

221 Higgs Boson's Mate  Oct 15, 2014 1:25:00pm

re: #219 Backwoods_Sleuth

And if the licenses are a matter of public record then they aren’t “jacked” either.

222 Timothy Watson  Oct 15, 2014 1:25:29pm

re: #218 Bubblehead II

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Interstate nursing compact, how the fuck does that work?

223 Rightwingconspirator  Oct 15, 2014 1:25:50pm

re: #212 Randall Gross

Raw population growth? Well Randall we would certainly agree that deeper studies need to be funded, hopefully by government or academia rather than the NRA or HCI or a media organization that has a pro click bias.

224 sagehen  Oct 15, 2014 1:26:14pm

re: #163 Pie-onist Overlord

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You’re never going to do peach pie for me, are you?

225 De Kolta Chair  Oct 15, 2014 1:27:38pm

re: #213 Charles Johnson

The responses are priceless.

226 Vogon Poetry  Oct 15, 2014 1:28:22pm

re: #222 Timothy Watson

ncsbn.org

The Nurse Licensure Compact (NLC) enables multistate licensure for nurses without additional fees or applications.

And what does that have to do with her situation? Nothing. It’s just a data point that makes Chuck feel like he’s found a nut.

227 Rightwingconspirator  Oct 15, 2014 1:28:51pm

re: #218 Bubblehead II

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228 Bulworth  Oct 15, 2014 1:29:13pm

re:
#220

Yes, why didn’t Obama put all the doctors and nurses and everyone who came into contact with the first Dallas Ebola victim in a FEMA camp?

Also, Obama is using Ebola to take all gunz and put all Patriots in FEMA camps.

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229 Vogon Poetry  Oct 15, 2014 1:30:00pm

And she paid for the additional licensing for KS and OH, since they’re not compact members.

230 Targetpractice  Oct 15, 2014 1:31:32pm

Come on, guys, he’s “just asking questions.”

231 sagehen  Oct 15, 2014 1:31:44pm

re: #207 Targetpractice

FNC keeps Shep around to fulfill the mandatory “Lone Voice of Reason” quota. So long as he speaks up at least once a year, they’re covered for all the whacked out shit that fills every other hour.

I refer to him as their Designated Driver.

232 Rev_Arthur_Ebolaing  Oct 15, 2014 1:31:59pm

re: #226 lawhawk

ncsbn.org

The Nurse Licensure Compact (NLC) enables multistate licensure for nurses without additional fees or applications.

And what does that have to do with her situation? Nothing. It’s just a data point that makes Chuck feel like he’s found a nut.

Not to mention the same thing applies to many disciplines. My ex-wife is licensed to TEACH in FOUR STATES!!!11!

233 Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 15, 2014 1:32:05pm

jeebus, all of a sudden UpChuck needs “evidence”?

234 Decatur Deb  Oct 15, 2014 1:32:17pm

If there’s ever a license for journalists, we’ll have CCJ to thank.

235 Higgs Boson's Mate  Oct 15, 2014 1:34:20pm

If Ms. Vinson had been White then Chuckie would now be accusing Obama of deliberately and personally infecting her with Ebola rather than inferring that she might be a criminal.

236 Targetpractice  Oct 15, 2014 1:34:45pm

re: #233 Backwoods_Sleuth

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jeebus, all of a sudden UpChuck needs “evidence”?

237 jaunte  Oct 15, 2014 1:35:44pm

Jacking journalism.

238 Rev_Arthur_Ebolaing  Oct 15, 2014 1:36:10pm

Seriously, I thought Dim Jim was the dumbest man on the Internet, but I think he has a real challenger now!

239 Timothy Watson  Oct 15, 2014 1:36:10pm

re: #229 lawhawk

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She doesn’t have one in Kansas FYI:
kansas.gov

240 jaunte  Oct 15, 2014 1:36:33pm

SMOTI fight!

241 Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 15, 2014 1:37:17pm

Just when you think he couldn’t get any more disgusting:

and responded with this:

242 Ace-o-aces  Oct 15, 2014 1:37:38pm
243 makeitstop  Oct 15, 2014 1:37:44pm

re: #240 jaunte

SMOTI fight!

If the goal was to beat each other senseless, neither one would have to throw a punch.

244 Timothy Watson  Oct 15, 2014 1:40:06pm

re: #239 Timothy Watson

Who wants to bet that her significant other might be military or another field which requires him to move regularly?

245 Vogon Poetry  Oct 15, 2014 1:40:33pm

re: #239 Timothy Watson

So he got that wrong too?

246 Dr. Matt  Oct 15, 2014 1:40:47pm

UpChuck needs “evidence”? Wouldn’t an actual journalist go and find this out?

247 Rev_Arthur_Ebolaing  Oct 15, 2014 1:41:02pm

re: #244 Timothy Watson

Who wants to bet that her significant other might be military or another field which requires him to move regularly?

Or they moved because of education? I moved through 4 states before settling where I am now because of job opportunities.

248 Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 15, 2014 1:41:10pm

re: #246 Dr. Matt

UpChuck needs “evidence”? Wouldn’t an actual journalist go and find this out?

He’s still crowd sourcing that on twitter…

249 EPR-radar  Oct 15, 2014 1:41:13pm

re: #21 Rightwingconspirator

And-blueraven, EPR-radar, klys (klys)
So if a guy shot 4 members of a family or more in a home invasion would it be counted as a public or non public shoot? Or this-Family ‘Hatred’ Shooting Leaves 4 Dead, Including Mom, Brother, Sister And Her Husband

This seems to be motivated to refute an assertion the rate is stable rather than offer any kind of solution at all for the problem. This is an answer in search of more than the one question.

I have little interest in whether the rate of a specific category of shooting is stable or increasing, when it is clear that the rate of shooting deaths (of all kinds) is too high, and that US gun culture is objectively insane and harmful. My interest drops to less than zero once it become clear that hyper-technical parsing of the relevant stats is going to be the decisive factor.

The political background cannot be dismissed here. The NRA and GOP are firmly committed to the only solution to gun violence being more guns. The extreme stupidity and evil of this nonsense has not yet made a difference politically.

Let’s not forget that the NRA vision of the US is ‘Open Carry America’ where everyone is armed at all times (preferably heavily). Combined with NRA/GOP stand your ground law, this would amount to a license to kill anyone, provided there aren’t any witnesses, and the jury can be counted on to believe a self-defense story. This would be open season on at least blacks, out gay people and uppity women.

250 Rev_Arthur_Ebolaing  Oct 15, 2014 1:41:30pm

re: #245 lawhawk

So he got that wrong too?

At this point, an easier question would be “what did he get right?”

251 Ace-o-aces  Oct 15, 2014 1:42:16pm

re: #218 Bubblehead II

WTF is “jacking licenses” anyway?

252 Rev_Arthur_Ebolaing  Oct 15, 2014 1:43:12pm

re: #251 Ace-o-aces

WTF is “jacking licenses” anyway?

That’s the way UpChuck speaks in “da hood,” yo!

253 klys  Oct 15, 2014 1:43:21pm

re: #21 Rightwingconspirator

And-blueraven, EPR-radar, klys (klys)
So if a guy shot 4 members of a family or more in a home invasion would it be counted as a public or non public shoot? Or this-Family ‘Hatred’ Shooting Leaves 4 Dead, Including Mom, Brother, Sister And Her Husband

This seems to be motivated to refute an assertion the rate is stable rather than offer any kind of solution at all for the problem. This is an answer in search of more than the one question.

Dude, you asked why they thought the distinction of public mattered. They provided a nicely reasoned response. I updinged for that, which is apparently enough to get me called out as needing to respond to your counterexamples.

I’m not playing this game today.

254 Higgs Boson's Mate  Oct 15, 2014 1:43:39pm

Mock all you want to, CCJ will parlay his talents into a fortune amounting to dozens of dollars.

255 makeitstop  Oct 15, 2014 1:44:26pm

re: #251 Ace-o-aces

WTF is “jacking licenses” anyway?

Stealing. Because in Chucky’s little hamburger universe, blah people can’t possibly get professionally licensed by honest means.

256 Dr. Matt  Oct 15, 2014 1:44:52pm

re: #251 Ace-o-aces

WTF is “jacking licenses” anyway?

It’s something Blah People do in RWNJ world.

257 Bear  Oct 15, 2014 1:45:14pm

This is a bit confusing. cnsnews.com
Have no idea about reliability of the source.

258 Bulworth  Oct 15, 2014 1:45:21pm

re:
#226

The Nurse Licensure Compact (NLC)

What’s the problem here? Does Chuck C. Journalist think the NLC is some sort of ISIS-Communist cell organized by Saul Alinsky? /

259 Rev_Arthur_Ebolaing  Oct 15, 2014 1:45:26pm

re: #255 makeitstop

Chucky’s little hamburger universe,

This is an insult to ground beef! This aggression will not stand!

260 De Kolta Chair  Oct 15, 2014 1:45:59pm

261 Ace-o-aces  Oct 15, 2014 1:46:00pm

re: #252 Rev_Arthur_Belling

That’s the way UpChuck speaks in “da hood,” yo!

No I mean, what does he think is going on. Does he think she is somehow using someone else’s license?

262 Romantic Heretic  Oct 15, 2014 1:46:27pm

re: #16 FemNaziBitch

PTSD is a big deal.

Sadly, most of the PTSD in this country is the residual effect of Domestic Violence and Sexual Assault —NOT FROM FOREIGN WARs.

I’m going to shut-up for today.

bbl

I can attest to this.

My wife was the victim of horrific abuse through childhood. She still wakes up screaming at times.

263 Rightwingconspirator  Oct 15, 2014 1:46:39pm

re: #253 klys

Not playing any games here, just continuing the discussion. Since you updinged that I thought you may want to discuss the implications. Just engaging more than the poster of the comment. No hostile intent at all.
Sorry it came across that way.

264 Rev_Arthur_Ebolaing  Oct 15, 2014 1:46:56pm

re: #258 Bulworth

re:
#226

What’s the problem here? Does Chuck C. Journalist think the NLC is some sort of ISIS-Communist cell organized by Saul Alinsky? /

Seriously, this *might* be the stupidest thing UpChuck has tweeted yet (and that’s saying A LOT!). No reputable journalist would say shit like this without checking some statutes or calling a lawyer or something. Jeez. Pathetic.

265 Sionainn  Oct 15, 2014 1:47:49pm

re: #239 Timothy Watson

She doesn’t have one in Kansas FYI:
kansas.gov

LOL. He can’t even bother checking for himself.

266 Ace-o-aces  Oct 15, 2014 1:48:04pm

re: #255 makeitstop

Stealing. Because in Chucky’s little hamburger universe, blah people can’t possibly get professionally licensed by honest means.

Oh I see. So he claims a 150 IQ, but can’t comprehend filling out paperwork in four different states.

267 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Oct 15, 2014 1:48:43pm

re: #257 Bear

This is a bit confusing. cnsnews.com
Have no idea about reliability of the source.

“I think there are two different parts of that equation,” he continued. “The first is, if you’re a member of the traveling public and are healthy, should you be worried that you might have gotten it by sitting next to someone? And the answer is no.”

“Second, if you are sick and you may have Ebola, should you get on a bus? And the answer to that is also no. You might become ill, you might have a problem that exposes someone around you,” he said.

The bolded parts are key. Yes, if you were riding on a bus and all that happened was that you sat next to someone, then you won’t get Ebola from that. But if you have Ebola, don’t go on a bus because you might throw up on someone and expose them to the virus.

ETA: but the CNS headline is wrong (“CDC: You Can Give - But Can’t Get - Ebola on a Bus”). That’s not what the man said.

268 Rev_Arthur_Ebolaing  Oct 15, 2014 1:50:04pm

re: #261 Ace-o-aces

No I mean, what does he think is going on. Does he think she is somehow using someone else’s license?

See, your premise is flawed. You assume he’s “thinking.” I assume his “gotcha” scoop mentality has overridden whatever logic may have been remaining in his addled brain. (but he probably thinks these are like fake ID’s, although I’ve never heard the term “jacking” used in that context)

269 Eventual Carrion  Oct 15, 2014 1:50:05pm

re: #230 Targetpractice

Come on, guys, he’s “just asking questions.”

There are no stupid questions, but there are a lot of inquisitive idiots.

270 Sionainn  Oct 15, 2014 1:50:06pm

re: #257 Bear

This is a bit confusing. cnsnews.com
Have no idea about reliability of the source.

It’s CNSNews, so likely unreliable.

271 RealityBasedEbola  Oct 15, 2014 1:50:10pm

Could somebody please Tweet this to Chucky…. LMGTFY

272 Higgs Boson's Mate  Oct 15, 2014 1:50:16pm

re: #249 EPR-radar

This would be open season on at least blacks, out gay people and uppity women.

That could work both ways and the above mentioned wouldn’t be falling-down drunk when they take aim.

273 wrenchwitch  Oct 15, 2014 1:50:19pm
274 Rightwingconspirator  Oct 15, 2014 1:52:45pm

re: #249 EPR-radar

I have little interest in whether the rate of a specific category of shooting is stable or increasing, when it is clear that the rate of shooting deaths (of all kinds) is too high, and that US gun culture is objectively insane and harmful. My interest drops to less than zero once it become clear that hyper-technical parsing of the relevant stats is going to be the decisive factor.

The political background cannot be dismissed here. The NRA and GOP are firmly committed to the only solution to gun violence being more guns. The extreme stupidity and evil of this nonsense has not yet made a difference politically.

Let’s not forget that the NRA vision of the US is ‘Open Carry America’ where everyone is armed at all times (preferably heavily). Combined with NRA/GOP stand your ground law, this would amount to a license to kill anyone, provided there aren’t any witnesses, and the jury can be counted on to believe a self-defense story. This would be open season on at least blacks, out gay people and uppity women.

If we don’t set (no push them aside!) aside the extreme views progress will not happen. Ever wonder why this nation’s citizens are so violent, whether we count in guns or not?

275 Bubblehead II  Oct 15, 2014 1:52:50pm

re: #251 Ace-o-aces

WTF is “jacking licenses” anyway?

I believe he is implying that she must of obtained them through theft or other unlawful means.

276 Vicious Piebola  Oct 15, 2014 1:52:52pm

re: #169 Backwoods_Sleuth

He’s awake from his nap:

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Is he saying he’d do her? Because the CDC does not, uh, recommend that even if it’s consensual.

277 Eventual Carrion  Oct 15, 2014 1:52:56pm

re: #232 Rev_Arthur_Belling

Not to mention the same thing applies to many disciplines. My ex-wife is licensed to TEACH in FOUR STATES!!!11!

Yep. My wife is licensed to be a nursing home administrator in Ohio and Pennsylvania.

278 De Kolta Chair  Oct 15, 2014 1:53:08pm

re: #270 Sionainn

It’s CNSNews, so likely unreliable.

Founded by L. Brent Bozell III and run by Media Research Center. ‘Nuff said.

279 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Oct 15, 2014 1:53:55pm

re: #276 Pie-onist Overlord

Is he saying he’d do her? Because the CDC does not, uh, recommend that even if it’s consensual.

Yeah. Who knows what might happen to her.

280 dog philosopher  Oct 15, 2014 1:53:57pm

re: #220 BeachDem

And speaking of unhinged…

Fox News contributor Keith Ablow went on an unhinged racial rant against President Obama, accusing him of failing to protect the country against Ebola because his “affinities, his affiliations are with” Africa and “not us … He’s their leader.” Ablow also compared America to a hostage with Stockholm Syndrome, electing a man who dislikes the country and “has names very similar to two of our archenemies, Osama, well, Obama. And Hussein.”

Ablow then purported to speak from “deep inside the president’s psyche”

im impressed with the large percentage of psychics in the gop who need to tell us every day “what liberals think”

281 Dr. Matt  Oct 15, 2014 1:55:02pm

re: #220 BeachDem

And speaking of unhinged…

Fox News contributor Keith Ablow went on an unhinged racial rant against President Obama, accusing him of failing to protect the country against Ebola because his “affinities, his affiliations are with” Africa and “not us … He’s their leader.” Ablow also compared America to a hostage with Stockholm Syndrome, electing a man who dislikes the country and “has names very similar to two of our archenemies, Osama, well, Obama. And Hussein.”

Ablow then purported to speak from “deep inside the president’s psyche”

mediamatters.org

Fucking disgusting. Seriously, these assholes find a way to sink to a new low everyday.

282 blueraven  Oct 15, 2014 1:56:27pm

So let me get this straight. RWNJs are always preaching that people should be more self sufficient; seek better/more education/training, get better job, make more money.

But if it is a black woman, let’s question why she has all these extra things they keep preaching about?

283 Vicious Piebola  Oct 15, 2014 1:56:38pm

re: #233 Backwoods_Sleuth

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jeebus, all of a sudden UpChuck needs “evidence”?

Somebody with the handle “FairTaxNancy” gets pre-emptively blocked & muted.

284 Decatur Deb  Oct 15, 2014 1:57:01pm

re: #280 dog philosopher

im impressed with the large percentage of psychics in the gop who need to tell us every day “what liberals think”

Speaking of licenses, doesn’t this doof have to be certified by a board or professional group to spout the crap he does?

285 Higgs Boson's Mate  Oct 15, 2014 1:57:55pm

re: #220 BeachDem

Ablow was speaking from deep inside something all right and he was sitting on it.

286 jaunte  Oct 15, 2014 1:58:23pm

re: #220 BeachDem

…accusing him of failing to protect the country against Ebola because his “affinities, his affiliations are with” Africa and “not us …

Ablow is an idiot. We should be helping to fight Ebola in Africa because that’s where the outbreak is.

287 Rev_Arthur_Ebolaing  Oct 15, 2014 2:00:57pm

re: #279 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi

Yeah. Who knows what might happen to her.

I wouldn’t wish him on my worst enemy.

288 EPR-radar  Oct 15, 2014 2:01:29pm

re: #272 Higgs Boson’s Mate

That could work both ways and the above mentioned wouldn’t be falling-down drunk when they take aim.

If an urban jury were to credulously accept an obvious self-defense fairy tale from someone who blew away a RWNJ for the hell of it, that would also be a travesty of justice.

Open-Carry America would be an abomination.

289 Eventual Carrion  Oct 15, 2014 2:01:43pm
290 Targetpractice  Oct 15, 2014 2:03:54pm

re: #289 Eventual Carrion

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Perhaps the moron might consider that so far, the only people who have turned up as infected are hospital staff. None of his family or those that he came in contact without outside the hospital have turned up sick.

291 Feline Fearless Leader  Oct 15, 2014 2:04:10pm

re: #288 EPR-radar

If an urban jury were to credulously accept an obvious self-defense fairy tale from someone who blew away a RWNJ for the hell of it, that would also be a travesty of justice.

Open-Carry America would be an abomination.

Would Open-Container America be in effect at the same time?

292 Bulworth  Oct 15, 2014 2:04:29pm

re:
#283

Somebody with the handle “FairTaxNancy” gets pre-emptively blocked & muted.

Like wearing a dunce-cap.

293 Justanotherhuman  Oct 15, 2014 2:05:48pm

Airline stocks were reported to have taken a beating today…

Report: CDC says there is a ‘do not board list’ of Ebola-exposed people being monitored, and the list is evolving as situation develops, @wfaalauren reports
see original on twitter.com

294 Lidane  Oct 15, 2014 2:06:15pm
295 bill d  Oct 15, 2014 2:06:37pm

Guy 1: I was on a plane to Cleveland with a gal who had Ebola.

Guy 2 : Sorry you had to go to Cleveland.

//

296 Eventual Carrion  Oct 15, 2014 2:06:54pm

re: #290 Targetpractice

Perhaps the moron might consider that so far, the only people who have turned up as infected are hospital staff. None of his family or those that he came in contact without outside the hospital have turned up sick.

Exact point I made to a couple guys here at work just a little bit ago. I said if you refrain from playing with other peoples vomit, blood and shit you really have nothing to worry about. Notice that the people that have gotten infected, it is/was their job to deal with peoples vomit, shit and blood.

297 Higgs Boson's Mate  Oct 15, 2014 2:07:19pm

re: #288 EPR-radar

Open-Carry America would be an abomination.

Of course it would, but the looniverse never considers the consequences of its fantasies.

298 Bulworth  Oct 15, 2014 2:07:41pm

“FairTaxNancy” = “No, I don’t have an original thought in my head so I just regurgitate whatever moranic bumper-sticker buzz word the Koch-media tells me.”

299 Eventual Carrion  Oct 15, 2014 2:09:48pm

re: #289 Eventual Carrion

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The person I aimed that at did come back with this, so they are thinking.

300 Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 15, 2014 2:10:08pm

re: #290 Targetpractice

Perhaps the moron might consider that so far, the only people who have turned up as infected are hospital staff. None of his family or those that he came in contact without outside the hospital have turned up sick.

Oh, UpChuck’s twitter minons are already whining “coverup!”
They are demanding that Mr. Duncan’s family members be produced for proof that they aren’t sick.

smh

301 Bulworth  Oct 15, 2014 2:11:17pm

“FairTaxNancy” = “No, I have no idea what the actual implications of this policy would be, but hurr hurr I just knows it makes the libtards all mad!”

302 Justanotherhuman  Oct 15, 2014 2:11:17pm

Turkey channel cancels turkey shows.

CNN again cancels political debate show ‘Crossfire’ - @tvnewser
read more on mediabistro.com

Does anyone really watch CNN any time? TV news is just awful anywhere you look.

303 bill d  Oct 15, 2014 2:11:50pm

re: #300 Backwoods_Sleuth

Oh, UpChuck’s twitter minons are already whining “coverup!”
They are demanding that Mr. Duncan’s family members be produced for proof that they aren’t sick.

smh

They’re too busy licking all of the republican ballots for the November elections.

//

304 Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 15, 2014 2:11:55pm

re: #302 Justanotherhuman

Turkey channel cancels turkey shows.

CNN again cancels political debate show ‘Crossfire’ - @tvnewser
read more on mediabistro.com

Does anyone really watch CNN any time? TV news is just awful anywhere you look.

dammit, and Thanksgiving coming up next month…

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305 Higgs Boson's Mate  Oct 15, 2014 2:12:03pm

re: #300 Backwoods_Sleuth

Oh, UpChuck’s twitter minons are already whining “coverup!”
They are demanding that Mr. Duncan’s family members be produced for proof that they aren’t sick.

smh

As long as the minions start by proving that UpChuck isn’t mentally ill.

306 Rev_Arthur_Ebolaing  Oct 15, 2014 2:13:33pm

re: #295 b.d.

Guy 1: I was on a plane to Cleveland with a gal who had Ebola.

Guy 2 : Sorry you had to go to Cleveland.

//

instantrimshot.com

307 EPR-radar  Oct 15, 2014 2:13:56pm

re: #274 Rightwingconspirator

If we don’t set (no push them aside!) aside the extreme views progress will not happen. Ever wonder why this nation’s citizens are so violent, whether we count in guns or not?

I agree that the extremists need to stop driving this issue. At the moment, the NRA et al. own the pro-gun side of the issue, so the onus is on sensible gun owners to deal with the NRA before they screw things up for everyone.

My point of view is basically that it is a hell of a lot easier to reduce the chance that an incident of rage or violence is a heavily-armed incident of rage or violence via public policy than it is to reduce the violence itself. Of course, that’s not to say I would reject any policy proposal that purports to reduce violence itself, but I would need to see evidence or a reasonable argument for efficacy.

In sharp contrast, the NRA and many other less extreme pro-gun people categorically reject the concept that reducing the saturation level of guns in US society could have a net beneficial effect. In fact, this categorical rejection is probably a majority view among pro-gun people, from what I can see.

308 Randall Gross  Oct 15, 2014 2:14:57pm

I’m hunkered down watching the Royals having a blue day

309 BeachDem  Oct 15, 2014 2:15:24pm

re: #280 dog philosopher

im impressed with the large percentage of psychics in the gop who need to tell us every day “what liberals think”

Keith Ablow—psychic, psychiatrist or psychiatric case study? Fox—we slather on the bullshit—our viewers follow along like pathetic lemmings.

310 jaunte  Oct 15, 2014 2:17:26pm

Presbyterian nurses are responding with frustration, saying the fault does not lie with Pham’s alleged sloppiness, but rather with poor hospital operating procedures.

“The protocols that should have been in place in Dallas were not in place, and that those protocols are not in place anywhere in the United States as far as we can tell,” said RoseAnn DeMoro of National Nurses United, according to CNN.

311 EPR-radar  Oct 15, 2014 2:17:45pm

re: #280 dog philosopher

im impressed with the large percentage of psychics in the gop who need to tell us every day “what liberals think”

Well, it’s not like they can talk about “what conservatives think”, in the absence of any evidence of “conservative thought” for at least the last 20 years.

312 Bulworth  Oct 15, 2014 2:19:23pm

re:
#308

Go Royals!!

Nats fan, don’t like the Orioles, although I live closer to where the Orioles play.

313 TedStriker  Oct 15, 2014 2:21:13pm

re: #79 b.d.

LOL, retweeted by Judith Miller
@JMfreespeech

btw, Second patient is a 29 year old African American.

re: #83 Jenner7

Oh ffs! He can’t even get the simplest details right. What a dumb ass.

Like i said earlier this morning, his ass is going to end up getting someone hurt (or even killed) over this shit.

Fuck Chuck.

314 wrenchwitch  Oct 15, 2014 2:22:22pm

re: #310 jaunte

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I hate it when bean-counting administrators overrule well-trained professionals.

315 blueraven  Oct 15, 2014 2:24:56pm

Whoa, what a catch by the Royals outfielder…slammed into left field wall hard, but made a great catch.

316 TedStriker  Oct 15, 2014 2:25:20pm

re: #99 RealityBasedSteve

@ChuckCJohnson journalists do not refer to women as chicks. Smear mongers like yourself, OTOH, do.

He’s just showing how he’s “Cutting Edge” and “Rules don’t Apply to Me”. I’m sure his billionaire venture capitalist associates appreciate that.

You can’t fence in the “Free Range Chucky”

RBS

That cinches it…Chuck is a modern R.J. Fletcher, for real:

Pamela Finklestein: [into a phone to Fletcher] “Broads don’t belong in broadcasting”? Is that the kind of professional courtesy you teach your news department?
R.J. Fletcher: [into the phone] Why, that’s a terrible thing. I don’t know how many time I’ve told those boys, never call chicks broads.

317 bill d  Oct 15, 2014 2:25:41pm

re: #79 b.d.

Chuck seems to have deleted the tweet in which he describes the 25 year old white chick.

318 Decatur Deb  Oct 15, 2014 2:26:53pm

re: #314 wrenchwench

I hate it when bean-counting administrators overrule well-trained professionals.

Until the 70s, nurses did not receive minimum wage protection, being excluded as ‘domestic servants’.

319 Dr. Matt  Oct 15, 2014 2:27:46pm

Ebola is from [the country of] Africa.
President Obama is from Africa.
Ebola may be spread to Cleveland.
Cleveland is to host 2016 GOP convention.

DAMN YOU OBAMA!!!

320 Jenner7  Oct 15, 2014 2:29:29pm

re: #319 Dr. Matt

It’s allll part of the plan……

321 jaunte  Oct 15, 2014 2:31:39pm

re: #319 Dr. Matt

Kenya is more than 4500 miles from the West African ebola outbreak.

Close enough!!!

322 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Oct 15, 2014 2:32:15pm

“Oil nearly falls below $80 on oversupply” - Reuters

Well, Vova, let’s see you deal.

323 Targetpractice  Oct 15, 2014 2:35:30pm

re: #322 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

“Oil nearly falls below $80 on oversupply” - Reuters

Well, Vova, let’s see you deal.

That crashing sound you just heard was the ruble going through the floor and beginning its journey to China.

324 Justanotherhuman  Oct 15, 2014 2:37:30pm

This is where Nina Pham attended nursing school in the 15 mo accelerated nursing program:

nursing.tcu.edu

325 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Oct 15, 2014 2:38:47pm

Russian budget assumes 95$+/-, I think.

326 Bubblehead II  Oct 15, 2014 2:40:00pm

Calling it a day Lizards. May the Deity of your choice smile down upon you and yours.

327 Rev_Arthur_Ebolaing  Oct 15, 2014 2:41:26pm

re: #325 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

Russian budget assumes 95$+/-, I think.

I noticed gasoline around here was nearing the $3 mark today. Never thought I’d see that again.

328 Iwouldprefernotto  Oct 15, 2014 2:41:58pm

re: #327 Rev_Arthur_Belling

I noticed gasoline around here was nearing the $3 mark today. Never thought I’d see that again.

Thanks Obama

329 Amory Blaine  Oct 15, 2014 2:43:10pm

FYI Obama is going to speak soon on Ebola.

330 Amory Blaine  Oct 15, 2014 2:43:24pm

re: #329 Amory Blaine

FYI Obama is going to speak soon on Ebola.

Actually right now.

331 Dr Lizardo  Oct 15, 2014 2:44:15pm

re: #325 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

Russian budget assumes 95$+/-, I think.

I read somewhere that the Russian budget is predicated on oil at the $90 - $100/barrel range. I forgot where I read that, though.

332 Justanotherhuman  Oct 15, 2014 2:44:24pm

President Obama: Federal authorities should send a team within 24 hours of an Ebola case to ensure proper protocols are followed - @Reuters
end of alert

333 Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 15, 2014 2:45:26pm

re: #327 Rev_Arthur_Belling

I noticed gasoline around here was nearing the $3 mark today. Never thought I’d see that again.

It was $2.99 here today.

334 dog philosopher  Oct 15, 2014 2:46:11pm

re: #329 Amory Blaine

FYI Obama is going to speak soon on Ebola.

Mitt Romney Gives Republican Reply To Obama Speech On Ebola, Suggests Cuts In Capital Gains, Elimination Of ‘Burdensome’ Regulations

335 Amory Blaine  Oct 15, 2014 2:46:31pm

I bought my wife a beautiful Hilti impact driver for her birthday today.

336 Justanotherhuman  Oct 15, 2014 2:48:22pm

re: #328 Iwouldprefernotto

Thanks Obama

It should crack less than $3 here over the weekend. Average is $3.03. Even lower in SC, where the state taxes are lower, and the only decent roads are the interstates,

337 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Oct 15, 2014 2:48:57pm

re: #331 Dr Lizardo

About right. Putin said last years that even 85$ wouldn’t be “critical”. Well, it’s just fallen below that.

338 Decatur Deb  Oct 15, 2014 2:49:32pm

re: #336 Justanotherhuman

It should crack less than $3 here over the weekend. Average is $3.03. Even lower in SC, where the state taxes are lower, and the only decent roads are the interstates,

Baja Alabama has been below $3 for a week.

339 RealityBasedEbola  Oct 15, 2014 2:49:34pm

Waiting for some RWNJ to come up with “Obama talks in Ebolics”. You know it’s out there on the fringe.

340 Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 15, 2014 2:50:08pm

re: #317 b.d.

Chuck seems to have deleted the tweet in which he describes the 25 year old white chick.

Internet is forever…

341 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Oct 15, 2014 2:52:31pm

re: #340 Backwoods_Sleuth

Well, screenshots are easy to fake ;)

342 Justanotherhuman  Oct 15, 2014 2:53:02pm

And?

Frontier jet that carried Dallas health care worker diagnosed with Ebola made 5 more flights before it was taken out of service - flightaware.com via @latimes
read more on latimes.com

I didn’t know Ebola is airborne…

343 Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 15, 2014 2:55:24pm

re: #342 Justanotherhuman

And?

Frontier jet that carried Dallas health care worker diagnosed with Ebola made 5 more flights before it was taken out of service - flightaware.com via @latimes
read more on latimes.com

I didn’t know Ebola is airborne…

It is when it’s on an airplane!!111!!!!venty…

344 TedStriker  Oct 15, 2014 2:55:26pm

re: #333 Backwoods_Sleuth

It was $2.99 here today.

$2.83 near my house today here in Nashville.

345 Dr. Matt  Oct 15, 2014 2:56:04pm

re: #340 Backwoods_Sleuth

346 Justanotherhuman  Oct 15, 2014 2:56:48pm

Now, the RW will wish he gets it.

President Obama: ‘I shook hands, hugged and kissed - not the doctors - but a couple of the nurses’ who treated Ebola patient at Emory hospital in Atlanta, but says he feels safe - @IsaacDovere
see original on twitter.com

347 Decatur Deb  Oct 15, 2014 2:57:07pm

re: #342 Justanotherhuman

And?

Frontier jet that carried Dallas health care worker diagnosed with Ebola made 5 more flights before it was taken out of service - flightaware.com via @latimes
read more on latimes.com

I didn’t know Ebola is airborne…

Not afraid of Ebola—I’m afraid of Americans afraid of Ebola. If we got as few as 100 cases, the ignorant, manipulated Fox watchers are going to lose their shit in very regrettable ways.

348 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Oct 15, 2014 2:57:10pm

Shaun King’s timeline of the Brown killing:

dailykos.com

349 Cheechako  Oct 15, 2014 3:00:37pm

re: #344 TedStriker

$2.83 near my house today here in Nashville.

Still about $4.00 here in SE Alaska. We’ll have to wait until the next gasoline barge arrives from Seattle arrives to get lower prices.

350 theEbolafishlives  Oct 15, 2014 3:03:07pm

Evening Lizardim from the beautiful wild north country. It’s my favorite time of year, in spite of the impending anniversary of my birth which happens to be a fairly significant milestone. How go things among the lizardfolk?

351 darthstar  Oct 15, 2014 3:04:04pm
352 Justanotherhuman  Oct 15, 2014 3:05:32pm

re: #347 Decatur Deb

Not afraid of Ebola—I’m afraid of Americans afraid of Ebola. If we got as few as 100 cases, the ignorant, manipulated Fox watchers are going to lose their shit in very regrettable ways.

100 cases in a population of 315M. I don’t even understand the percentage on that, it’s so low. Not to belittle the victims, though, if they materialize.

Compare to over 33K deaths by vehicle in 2012. Or any other disease you want to drag out.

353 EPR-radar  Oct 15, 2014 3:06:48pm

re: #352 Justanotherhuman

100 cases in a population of 315M. I don’t even understand the percentage on that, it’s so low. Not to belittle the victims, though, if they materialize.

Compare to over 33K deaths by vehicle in 2012. Or any other disease you want to drag out.

Or annual gun deaths.

354 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Oct 15, 2014 3:08:02pm

LNR bandits are shooting each other. Starts at about 4:00.

Youtube Video

355 gwangung  Oct 15, 2014 3:10:21pm

re: #332 Justanotherhuman

President Obama: Federal authorities should send a team within 24 hours of an Ebola case to ensure proper protocols are followed - @Reuters
end of alert

Yeah and Republicans will clamor in cuts elsewhere to pay for this.

356 RealityBasedEbola  Oct 15, 2014 3:11:00pm

I wonder if there a are Ebola’s on my bus? Probably as likely as conjoined twin zombies.

357 Justanotherhuman  Oct 15, 2014 3:11:10pm

re: #354 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

LNR bandits are shooting each other.

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Video

“Lugansk People’s Republic”?

358 Vicious Piebola  Oct 15, 2014 3:11:18pm

re: #327 Rev_Arthur_Belling

I noticed gasoline around here was nearing the $3 mark today. Never thought I’d see that again.

$2.99 in Detroit today.

359 De Kolta Chair  Oct 15, 2014 3:11:27pm

Chucky’s journalism role models:

360 jaunte  Oct 15, 2014 3:12:18pm

“NY Giants briefed on Ebola before Sunday’s game against Cowboys in Arlington “

361 theEbolafishlives  Oct 15, 2014 3:13:07pm

re: #359 De Kolta Chair

Chucky’s journalism role models:

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Clearly he read Playboy when he was younger. For the articles.

362 Iwouldprefernotto  Oct 15, 2014 3:14:18pm

re: #340 Backwoods_Sleuth

Internet is forever…

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When I read his re: #352 Justanotherhuman

100 cases in a population of 315M. I don’t even understand the percentage on that, it’s so low. Not to belittle the victims, though, if they materialize.

Compare to over 33K deaths by vehicle in 2012. Or any other disease you want to drag out.

I heard somewhere that a lot of Americans are killed by guns every year.

364 alpuzzzzz (I, R & sometimes why?)  Oct 15, 2014 3:16:19pm

re: #169 Backwoods_Sleuth

He’s awake from his nap:

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Wow. What a fuckin’ dick.

365 Dr. Matt  Oct 15, 2014 3:18:36pm

re: #362 Iwouldprefernotto

When I read his

I heard somewhere that a lot of Americans are killed by guns every year.

IT’S NOT STATISTICALLY SIGNIFICANT!!!!!!!!!!!!

366 Justanotherhuman  Oct 15, 2014 3:21:17pm

Really?

Dallas County, Texas, to discuss requesting an emergency declaration from the state because of Ebola; meeting set for 2 pm CT on Thursday - @dallasnews
read more on dallasnews.com

More Widespread Panic.

Waiting for the Bus…

Youtube Video

367 TedStriker  Oct 15, 2014 3:22:20pm

re: #364 alpuzzzzz (I, R & sometimes why?)

Wow. What a fuckin’ dick.

Completely Cro-Magnon.

368 EPR-radar  Oct 15, 2014 3:23:16pm

re: #365 Dr. Matt

IT’S NOT STATISTICALLY SIGNIFICANT!!!!!!!!!!!!

Especially when what little raw data exists (thanks to the machinations of the NRA) goes through the Hair-Splitter Mk. 3A-2 before being dragged up to the highest peak of Bullshit Mountain.

369 EPR-radar  Oct 15, 2014 3:24:13pm

re: #367 TedStriker

Completely Cro-Magnon.

There’s no reason to insult cavemen by comparing them to shit-sneezes like CCJ.

370 Justanotherhuman  Oct 15, 2014 3:24:25pm

Of course he did.

Rep. Michael McCaul, R-Texas, calls on Departments of Homeland Security, State to temporarily suspend visas of people from Liberia, Guinea, and Sierra Leone until Ebola outbreak is under control - @NBCNews
end of alert

371 OhNo!EbolaZombies!  Oct 15, 2014 3:25:46pm

OMG!
The weather forecast, yay!!!
Non stop local coverage of Ebola.
The sad part is that it’s being given far less attention than was the news that LeBron was coming home.
/

372 jaunte  Oct 15, 2014 3:26:05pm

“The battle, pitting Gardner’s homo-hatin’ and climate-change-denyin’ conservatism against Udall’s Jesus-free liberal ways, has been too close to call.”

373 Eventual Carrion  Oct 15, 2014 3:26:28pm

re: #314 wrenchwench

I hate it when bean-counting administrators overrule well-trained professionals.

And then insurance boards get their nose into things.

374 jaunte  Oct 15, 2014 3:28:10pm

re: #370 Justanotherhuman

Of course he did.

Rep. Michael McCaul, R-Texas, calls on Departments of Homeland Security, State to temporarily suspend visas of people from Liberia, Guinea, and Sierra Leone until Ebola outbreak is under control - @NBCNews
end of alert

375 Eventual Carrion  Oct 15, 2014 3:28:26pm

re: #322 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

“Oil nearly falls below $80 on oversupply” - Reuters

Well, Vova, let’s see you deal.

Wonder how profitable that Keystone pipeline is looking now?

376 De Kolta Chair  Oct 15, 2014 3:28:26pm

re: #370 Justanotherhuman

Of course he did.

Bit o’ trivia: McCaul is the wealthiest member of Congress, with an estimated net worth (approx. $300 million) twice that of the runner-up, Darryl Issa.

377 Jenner7  Oct 15, 2014 3:29:41pm

re: #348 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

Here is one of the comments from Dailykos:

that Michael Brown was never looked at by an ambulance crew as he laid in the street dead for 4 hours. If that’s the case, why not? Was no ambulance called? Who pronounced him dead? Does Officer Wilson or any of the other police officers have the training or authority to pronounce someone dead?

This is the most telling about the whole thing. Standard procedure is to call for an ambulance, is it not?

378 Eventual Carrion  Oct 15, 2014 3:30:31pm

re: #333 Backwoods_Sleuth

It was $2.99 here today.

I hear just across the Ohio border it is under $3.00 also.

379 Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 15, 2014 3:31:02pm

re: #367 TedStriker

Completely Cro-Magnon.

Piltdown Man.

380 makeitstop  Oct 15, 2014 3:32:35pm

Annnnd Breitbart is now reporting that Ebola ‘is transmittable by air.’ The rubes on FB are eating it up with a spoon.

donotlink.com

381 Justanotherhuman  Oct 15, 2014 3:33:07pm

re: #376 De Kolta Chair

McCaul is the wealthiest member of Congress, with an estimated net worth twice that of the runner-up, Darryl Issa.

Directly connected to Clear Channel through his wife,, daughter of the Chairman and sister of President of the co. Most of his wealth is from CC, through a family transfer to his wife.

382 TedStriker  Oct 15, 2014 3:34:46pm

re: #369 EPR-radar

There’s no reason to insult cavemen by comparing them to shit-sneezes like CCJ.

“Shitlord”…get it right!

///

383 theEbolafishlives  Oct 15, 2014 3:35:34pm

re: #382 TedStriker

“Shitlord”…get it right!

///

I believe the appropriate epithet is “douchecanoe.”

384 Justanotherhuman  Oct 15, 2014 3:36:21pm

re: #382 TedStriker

“Shitlord”…get it right!

///

And he has a shit-ton of hubris, too.

In fact, he’s just full of shit.

385 Amory Blaine  Oct 15, 2014 3:36:29pm

The most important question for americans? How can the entrepreneur cash in on Ebola?

386 Justanotherhuman  Oct 15, 2014 3:37:17pm

The Orange Man chimes in…

House Speaker John Boehner, R-Ohio, says President Obama should consider a temporary ban on travel to US from countries afflicted with Ebola - statement
read more on speaker.gov

387 Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 15, 2014 3:37:50pm

Got the ingredients to make that beef-mushroom-Guinness pie when MrBWS is home this weekend.

mmmmmm.

388 Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 15, 2014 3:38:16pm

re: #386 Justanotherhuman

The Orange Man chimes in…

House Speaker John Boehner, R-Ohio, says President Obama should consider a temporary ban on travel to US from countries afflicted with Ebola - statement
read more on speaker.gov

Just need to ban travel from Texas.

389 Stifford  Oct 15, 2014 3:38:58pm

re: #385 Amory Blaine

American Flag face masks?

390 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Oct 15, 2014 3:39:48pm

Hauling myself out of my migraine hell to say that the statistics of Mother Jones are criticizable but not dismissible. Clean data on stuff like this is nearly impossible to get, but that doesn’t mean that you just throw your hands up, it means you find ways to work with the data you’ve got.

News reports are a perfectly valid way of getting data of this kind; you can reasonably assume that mass shootings aren’t going to go unreported. The danger is double-counting them, but any real human attention to the data will fix that problem. Edit: This is actually more of a problem with the data that includes home shootings, because those will be reported on less often and more inconsistently than public shootings will.

But mostly, the Mother Jones fixes a problem with past data, which was the conflation of the ‘murder your whole family’ kind of murderers with ‘shoot up the theater’ murderers. Criticize the MJ data if you want, Hal, but apply that same eye to the other data, it has similar problems because the data is really hard to work with and any investigation is going to require creativity. Mother Jones does well in showing their methodology, thus allowing honest criticism, so you should treat them respectfully.

Finally, I agree with Rightwingconspirator that distinguishing between the two types of shootings may not be relevant to gun control. Convincing people that having guns in the home is a foolish, dangerous risk, wildly statistically probably unnecessary for ‘home defense’ for the vast majority of people who get them for that reason, would probably do more to curb gun deaths than stopping public shootings.

However, in terms of how we know actual human beings react, that kind of doesn’t matter. As someone else said, you can hope to in some way take caution to prevent yourself being shot with your own guns: I.e. sensibly not owning any. The random shooter is scary, in the same way terrorism was. Losing 3000 people on 9/11 shook us to our very core, despite the fact that that is a negligible part of our population and we lose far, far more people to inadequate health care every year. I like educating people about how small the risks of dying from terrorism, or public gun violence, actually are, but I’m not foolish enough to think we’re going to reach the vast majority. Hell, one of the main reasons we have such high gun ownership in this country are the millions of people who think that crime is far, far higher than it actually is, despite decades of reports about crime falling.

I’m going to go throw up my spine now.

391 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Oct 15, 2014 3:40:41pm

re: #390 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

Obdi!

392 klys  Oct 15, 2014 3:41:03pm

re: #390 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

{{obdi}}

Wish there was more that any of us could to do help you feel better.

393 theEbolafishlives  Oct 15, 2014 3:41:21pm

re: #390 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

{{{Obdi}}}

Your commentary is spot-on, as usual. So good to see you.

394 makeitstop  Oct 15, 2014 3:41:41pm

Good to see you, Obdi, however briefly.

395 Jenner7  Oct 15, 2014 3:41:52pm

re: #386 Justanotherhuman

Ugh. Just stupid.

396 Justanotherhuman  Oct 15, 2014 3:42:12pm

re: #390 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

Get well soon! So sorry you’re sick.

397 dog philosopher  Oct 15, 2014 3:46:01pm

we have a trool on the other blog who calls him(?)self ‘lubyanka’ in memory of lubyanka prison, because he thinks progressives love stalin. so i wrote this:

republicans persist in their (successful) project to conflate:

1) police states that put political opponents in prison and worse
2) original ‘socialism’ in which all industry is owned and operated by the state
3) ‘democratic socialism’, currently practiced by every country on the face of the earth, but where industry is in the hands of companies, corporations, and individuals

but, ultimately the republican party if it had its way would reinstate feudalism…

398 Justanotherhuman  Oct 15, 2014 3:51:21pm

Oh, for chrissakes. This is a Fox affiliate reporting.

BSA Health System in Amarillo, Texas, on lockdown because of patient with Ebola-like symptoms; spokeswoman says patient had contact with someone who has been to West Africa - @KAMRNBC4
read more on myhighplains.com

399 Justanotherhuman  Oct 15, 2014 3:52:53pm

re: #398 Justanotherhuman

Oh, for chrissakes. This is a Fox affiliate reporting.

BSA Health System in Amarillo, Texas, on lockdown because of patient with Ebola-like symptoms; spokeswoman says patient had contact with someone who has been to West Africa - @KAMRNBC4
read more on myhighplains.com

UPDATE — The ER is on lock down. All of the other patients have been isolated to the back of the ER.

The male patient had only contact with a nurse. The nurse is the only person the patient has been in contact with. The nurse continues to care for the patient.

BSA is not treating this as Ebola, until Ebola confirmed. But they are taking precautions.

400 Amory Blaine  Oct 15, 2014 3:53:27pm

re: #385 Amory Blaine

The most important question for americans? How can the entrepreneur cash in on Ebola?

Question answered. Hazmat Halloween costumes flying off the shelves.

401 Decatur Deb  Oct 15, 2014 3:53:49pm

re: #390 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

He lives !!!

402 Higgs Boson's Mate  Oct 15, 2014 3:55:50pm

re: #366 Justanotherhuman

Really?

Dallas County, Texas, to discuss requesting an emergency declaration from the state because of Ebola; meeting set for 2 pm CT on Thursday - @dallasnews
read more on dallasnews.com

More Widespread Panic.

Waiting for the Bus…

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Give it another day or so and Governor Goodhair will be demanding a few billion in Federal Aid for his stricken state.

403 Jenner7  Oct 15, 2014 3:56:23pm

re: #402 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Isn’t he in Europe right now?

404 Decatur Deb  Oct 15, 2014 3:56:52pm

re: #399 Justanotherhuman

UPDATE — The ER is on lock down. All of the other patients have been isolated to the back of the ER.

The male patient had only contact with a nurse. The nurse is the only person the patient has been in contact with. The nurse continues to care for the patient.

BSA is not treating this as Ebola, until Ebola confirmed. But they are taking precautions.

If this goes on for a while, we’re going to need new ways to manage the ER physical plant. If someone presented at a hospital like my neighboring one, he would have a couple hours to infect the intake staff and a few dozen patients in the ER waiting room before getting his temperature taken.

405 theEbolafishlives  Oct 15, 2014 3:57:20pm

re: #403 Jenner7

Isn’t he in Europe right now?

Has that ever stopped him?

406 BeachDem  Oct 15, 2014 4:03:15pm

And here in South Carolina, the beat goes on:

Upstate Social Conservative Leader Arrested On Child Sex Charges

Joshua “Josh” Kimbrell - an Upstate Christian radio host and emerging leader in the South Carolina social conservative movement - was arrested by police in Greenville, S.C. on charges that he molested a three-year-old boy…

Kimbrell is one of S.C. Gov. Nikki Haley’s staunchest supporters - as well as a close ally of former SCGOP chairman Chad Connelly…In fact Kimbrell spoke prior to an event held for U.S. Sen. Ted Cruz of Texas.

And, because of course—

Kimbrell’s supporters rallied to his defense on social media.

“No one is exempt from satanic attack. No one,” wrote supporter Wanda Rabena.

fitsnews.com

407 De Kolta Chair  Oct 15, 2014 4:03:21pm

“Ya know, David, I think this Charles C. Johnson fella might be on to something.”

408 Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 15, 2014 4:08:04pm
409 Justanotherhuman  Oct 15, 2014 4:08:28pm

So far, Ebola is doing very little harm in comparison to the gun in TX.

So far, only 1 person in TX has died from Ebola. In 2012, however, the last year I can get stats, 805 other people were murdered by guns.

410 Justanotherhuman  Oct 15, 2014 4:14:02pm

re: #406 BeachDem

And Upstate SC is where the Dominionists have taken hold.

This guy is only 29?

wspa.com

411 ausador  Oct 15, 2014 4:18:37pm

This is what Breitbart and a few other sites have already latched onto to push the “Ebola is airborne” thing…

412 Eventual Carrion  Oct 15, 2014 4:21:04pm

re: #406 BeachDem

And here in South Carolina, the beat goes on:

Upstate Social Conservative Leader Arrested On Child Sex Charges

Joshua “Josh” Kimbrell - an Upstate Christian radio host and emerging leader in the South Carolina social conservative movement - was arrested by police in Greenville, S.C. on charges that he molested a three-year-old boy…

Kimbrell is one of S.C. Gov. Nikki Haley’s staunchest supporters - as well as a close ally of former SCGOP chairman Chad Connelly…In fact Kimbrell spoke prior to an event held for U.S. Sen. Ted Cruz of Texas.

And, because of course—

Kimbrell’s supporters rallied to his defense on social media.

“No one is exempt from satanic attack. No one,” wrote supporter Wanda Rabena.

fitsnews.com

If this is true, he is one sick SOB. Don’t blame it on some satan. If found guilty he should be jailed for life. That kind of shit is just inexcusable.

413 Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 15, 2014 4:21:10pm

jeebus, UpChuck’s meds must have kicked in. He has lost track of the big scoop.

414 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Oct 15, 2014 4:21:21pm

I’d also say that “Since 2011” normally wouldn’t be a strong claim since it’s only 3 years of data. However, the difference is dramatic:

Because the chart signals that a new process started around September 2011, we can divide the chart at that point to analyze each phase separately. In the first 29-year phase, mass shootings occurred every 200 days on average. In the subsequent three-year phase, mass shootings occurred every 64 days on average:

What they’re doing here is basically cutting the data up in chunks and asking if any part of the data deviates to a certain degree of significance from the other data. In this case, the 2011-2014 data really is quite different from the data from 1982 up to 2011. The danger here is that there’s a small N—only 14 shootings since 2011.

Since I’m a glutton for punishment, I just went ahead and computed the statistics.

My null hypothesis was that there was no difference between shootings since 2011 and before. My test hypothesis was that there was a significant difference.

I performed a one-way anova test on the data, and got a significance of P<.05. Even taking into account the small N, there is less than a 1 in 20 chance that the change in days between school shootings since 2011 is random noise. That, however, is obviously still a significant amount. Double however: we can’t replicate this test, the only way to get more data is, horribly, more shootings.

It would be good to go back through all previous eras and see if we get ‘clusters’ like this, but I’m way too sick/tired to do that right now.

415 TedStriker  Oct 15, 2014 4:21:32pm

re: #386 Justanotherhuman

The Orange Man chimes in…

House Speaker John Boehner, R-Ohio, says President Obama should consider a temporary ban on travel to US from countries afflicted with Ebola - statement
read more on speaker.gov

I’m sure that’ll go over well with companies, such as Bridgestone/Firestone, that not only have a significant presence in Liberia, but in his home state of Ohio and other red states (Akron’s represented by a Democrat, as is the relocated Bridgestone/Firestone North American headquarters here in Nashville).

416 Justanotherhuman  Oct 15, 2014 4:21:41pm

re: #406 BeachDem

And nothing about a wife or kid, just him. Not a particularly appropriate photo for the website under the circumstances, ya think?

joshkimbrell.com

417 BeachDem  Oct 15, 2014 4:24:56pm

re: #410 Justanotherhuman

And Upstate SC is where the Dominionists have taken hold.

This guy is only 29?

wspa.com

Remember when Christian Exodus was going to take over South Carolina? Good times!

Throughout 2004 Christian Exodus worked closely with the Southern nationalist League of the South to build support in South Carolina, but in recent years has distanced itself publicly from the League. A 2006 goal to relocate 12,000 individuals to South Carolina was not met. To date the group claims that only about 15 families have relocated to South Carolina. Founder Cory Burnell still resides in California despite his own earlier efforts to relocate.

en.wikipedia.org

418 TedStriker  Oct 15, 2014 4:25:57pm

re: #417 BeachDem

Remember when Christian Exodus was going to take over South Carolina? Good times!

Throughout 2004 Christian Exodus worked closely with the Southern nationalist League of the South to build support in South Carolina, but in recent years has distanced itself publicly from the League. A 2006 goal to relocate 12,000 individuals to South Carolina was not met. To date the group claims that only about 15 families have relocated to South Carolina. Founder Cory Burnell still resides in California despite his own earlier efforts to relocate.

en.wikipedia.org

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

419 BeachDem  Oct 15, 2014 4:28:24pm

re: #416 Justanotherhuman

And nothing about a wife or kid, just him. Not a particularly appropriate photo for the website under the circumstances, ya think?

joshkimbrell.com

According to his defenders at FitsNews, his wife left him a few years ago, and the whole thing is about her trying to get back at him. Because, of course, they’re going to charge him and hold him without bail based solely on the word of his ex-wife. The stupid is strong here in the Palmetto State.

420 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Oct 15, 2014 4:29:48pm

re: #12 Hal_10000

That would be true if the data were a normal distribution but it’s not. The majority of their data points are below average. The sample is highly skewed by a few years in which there were very few incidents. In fact, there is another run of nine data points right before the period they claim has the sharp rise. There is a run of eight out of nine around the turn of the century. There are other smaller runs. The sample they use is way too small and sparse for the technique they are using (or really any technique).

I don’t see any testing of the null hypothesis here.

You know, they actually provide the data, you could actually analyze it if you wanted to do valid criticism. Like I did. But P<.05 for the contention that the data post-2011 are simple noise, when compared to data since 1989. As I said, there may be more ‘clusters’ elsewhere, feel free to actually, y’know, do some fucking work like Mother Jones did.

421 Justanotherhuman  Oct 15, 2014 4:32:05pm

re: #416 Justanotherhuman

And nothing about a wife or kid, just him. Not a particularly appropriate photo for the website under the circumstances, ya think?

joshkimbrell.com

Who is this kid, “little man Tristan”? He never says it’s his son, but his FB page is full of the little boy’s photos, from infancy.

(Removing that link.)

422 Justanotherhuman  Oct 15, 2014 4:33:56pm

re: #419 BeachDem

According to his defenders at FitsNews, his wife left him a few years ago, and the whole thing is about her trying to get back at him. Because, of course, they’re going to charge him and hold him without bail based solely on the word of his ex-wife. The stupid is strong here in the Palmetto State.

So, yeah, maybe it is his son. Does he have custody, I wonder?

423 Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 15, 2014 4:34:37pm

oh dear dog…

424 Hal_10000  Oct 15, 2014 4:37:08pm

The response to this study and my pointing out of its flaws is great parallel to the Right’s response on global warming. This study is the equivalent of the “it was warm in the 1930’s” global warming denial. James Allen Fox’s sample has a hundred times as much data and is based on a methodology that is constant in time. MJ’s analysis, which I skewered when it first came out two years ago, is based on a few dozen hand-picked incidents based entirely on media reports. Even their poor sample does not support their conclusion. If you fit a line to the number of people killed or injured in time, it is statistically consistent with a flat trend in time. This analysis, still based on far too little data, is barely statistically significant (they’re not using a Bayesian analysis, which would be more appropriate for this). What we have is a cluster of mass shootings over the span of a couple of years. You can’t draw conclusions from clusters. Pointing this out does not make anyone a sock puppet or a troll or even an NRA member. It means you care about how data are treated.

425 Stanley Seabola  Oct 15, 2014 4:38:13pm

re: #390 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

Wishing you well Obdi.

426 Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 15, 2014 4:38:24pm

gee, the goal posts get moved again.
Those straw men are getting awful tired…

427 ausador  Oct 15, 2014 4:38:47pm

No, Democrats are not ‘unskewing’ polls like Republicans did in 2012

Now get ready: With election day approaching and multiple poll aggregators predicting a Senate takeover for the GOP, we’re about to see the rise of a story line in which desperate Democrats are supposedly trying to “unskew” the polls themselves. Which would be interesting and ironic, if it were actually happening. But it isn’t.

This morning, Nate Silver has a post that may set off a wave of mockery toward Democrats not only from conservatives but from journalists as well. Here’s an excerpt from Silver’s piece:

428 Dead Tired  Oct 15, 2014 4:39:27pm

re: #420 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

You know, they actually provide the data, you could actually analyze it if you wanted to do valid criticism. Like I did. But P<.05 for the contention that the data post-2011 are simple noise, when compared to data since 1989. As I said, there may be more ‘clusters’ elsewhere, feel free to actually, y’know, do some fucking work like Mother Jones did.

I’ve missed you man.

429 Hal_10000  Oct 15, 2014 4:39:29pm

re: #420 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

See my comment above. I fit their data as a function of time. There is a small slope (about 1.2 extra shooting victims per year) but it is also statistically consistent with a flat trend. Also tried randomly sampling the data and the trend goes away.

Also note the P<0.05 test is not going to be very effective here because 1) small sample size; 2) the number of sub-samples is large so the likelihood of finding a P<0.05 by chance is large; 3) you still have the bias that the Mother Jones’ is drawn from media coverage, not an objective source like FBI stats; 4) random sampling will show you why the analysis fails. If you remove one or two incidents form the sample, the conclusions change dramatically.

430 Rev_Arthur_Ebolaing  Oct 15, 2014 4:41:52pm

re: #390 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

Was just wondering about you. Hadn’t read your num in a while. Hope you feel better soon.

431 De Kolta Chair  Oct 15, 2014 4:42:09pm

re: #423 Backwoods_Sleuth

oh dear dog…

432 BeachDem  Oct 15, 2014 4:42:32pm

re: #422 Justanotherhuman

So, yeah, maybe it is his son. Does he have custody, I wonder?

I was mainly going by the comments at Fits, where the loons gather pretty regularly. I only went there to see what they had to say about the debate last night—they gave it to the Libertarian loon, who equated paying for sex with being a right-to-work state. No, seriously—

”..Jobs are like sex..I’m all about this being a right-to-work state. I don’t believe that we need unions in today’s day and time. But the fact of the matter is, I look at jobs like I look at sex: You shouldn’t brag about it if you have to pay for it.”

Frankly, I had never heard of the guy (Kimbrell) before, but then it’s hard to tell all the crazies without a scorecard.

433 Rev_Arthur_Ebolaing  Oct 15, 2014 4:42:50pm

re: #424 Hal_10000

It’s back! Must be quitting time at the NRA offices!

434 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Oct 15, 2014 4:43:45pm

re: #424 Hal_10000

The response to this study and my pointing out of its flaws.

The way you point out the flaws is to take the data, as I did, and run the statistics. If you put that data through a one-way anova, there is a P.048 for the test hypothesis that the post-2011 data is dissimilar to the 1989-2012 data. ACtually, whoops, it’s much lower, I screwed it up, I’ll redo it but it will probably be about 2/3 of that. Sorry, I’m kinda crippled by migraines.

MJ’s analysis, which I skewered when it first came out two years ago, is based on a few dozen hand-picked incidents based entirely on media reports.

Establish why media reports are an insufficient way of tracking mass shootings. Are you contending that there are media reports of fictional mass shootings that are being included, or that actual mass shootings are not being reported on? What is your basis for this contention? When you say ‘hand-picked’, what do you mean—what are the data you’re claiming are excluded?

This analysis, still based on far too little data, is barely statistically significant (

Great. You admit it’s statistically significant. So why are you being weird about it? Could this be noise? Yes. Do we know the chances of that? Yes, it’s less than 5%, unless you can show some systemic problem with the data. And remember, the systemic problem has to show a collection problem that would affect the post-2011 data and not the pre.

But still: go ahead and ‘skewer’ the data. Run the Bayesian analysis. Actually do something, they include their methodology and the raws, so go for it. Just spouting off about possibly problematic areas without even explaining the logic of how they’re problematic is worth fuck-all.

435 Charles Johnson  Oct 15, 2014 4:44:07pm
436 Rev_Arthur_Ebolaing  Oct 15, 2014 4:44:13pm

re: #432 BeachDem

who equated paying for sex with being a right-to-work state. No, seriously—

”..Jobs are like sex

O_o

O_o!

437 Decatur Deb  Oct 15, 2014 4:47:25pm

re: #427 ausador

No, Democrats are not ‘unskewing’ polls like Republicans did in 2012

I’m gratified Silver is giving the Dems 1 chance in 4 of holding the Senate. I’ve been expecting to face a 2 year rear-guard action. The Dems I know think pretty much the same.

On the day after the election, after my candidate likely loses her race, I’ll sign up with a revived OFA Border States project to hold Florida while they concentrate on Texas for 2016.

438 Vogon Poetry  Oct 15, 2014 4:47:43pm

Florida Man has a tough one to beat after that.

439 Mike Lamb  Oct 15, 2014 4:48:13pm

re: #435 Charles Johnson

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And he’s extremely knowledgeable about the subject…

440 Shiplord Kirel  Oct 15, 2014 4:48:51pm

Amarillo, Texas:Breaking News: Patient with Ebola-Like Symptoms at BSA Hospital

Amarillo TX- A patient showing Ebola like symptoms is currently in isolation at Baptist Saint Anthony’s Hospital.

The patient went to BSA Hospital at around 4:00 PM today.

While he was there, he went through screening and the patient says he had been in contact with someone who had recently traveled to Africa.

A healthcare worker is also in isolation.

Hospital staff are currently working with the City Healthcare Department to find the person who had traveled to Africa to get specifics on where he had been.

If this gets to Lubbock, just 100 miles away, expect a freakout that will make Dallas seem like an oasis of enlightenment and rational thought.

441 Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 15, 2014 4:49:02pm

re: #435 Charles Johnson

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He’ll say nurses are hot.

442 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Oct 15, 2014 4:49:18pm

re: #429 Hal_10000

See my comment above. I fit their data as a function of time. There is a small slope (about 1.2 extra shooting victims per year) but it is also statistically consistent with a flat trend.

Great. So run a one-way anova, which is a lot more appropriate test of variance than a slope—why the fuck are you using a slope?

Have the dependent variable be ‘days between shootings’. Have the independent variable be ‘post-2011’. You’ll find, as I did, that there’s a p<.05 that the data from 2012 onwards are different from 1989-2011. Yes, the N is less than a hundred so that’s criticizable right off the bat, but with the available data, this is the best that can be done.

I do thin it’s likely that what we’re seeing is not a steady ramp up that will proceed into the infinite future, but a cluster. How likely that is would require extremely complex analysis of the entire data set, not just eyeballing it like you are. It is ridiculous that you are criticizing data as weak by just casually doing back-of-your-eyelids calculations like this. Also, say that stuff does ‘cluster’. Is that because of randomness, or because of actual environmental factors? You seem to be assuming it’s random chance, but it may very well have to do with some environmental issue and it may very well not reduce until that issue has been changed.

443 Justanotherhuman  Oct 15, 2014 4:49:24pm

re: #432 BeachDem

Frankly, I had never heard of the guy (Kimbrell) before, but then it’s hard to tell all the crazies without a scorecard.

Upstate is full of ‘em—hardcore. SC is a bit schizo—the coast is almost like being in another state altogether, doncha think, with the tourism, etc. And Kimbrell isn’t exactly the sharpest knife in the drawer, if you peruse his FB page. Hardline RWNJ who likes Colbert (probably thinks SC’s character is real).

444 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Oct 15, 2014 4:50:12pm

re: #440 Shiplord Kirel

Try to avoid any Masada-like occurrences.

445 Randall Gross  Oct 15, 2014 4:50:21pm

All I know is that in business when we use a control chart of any sort the generic rule is that seven or more points above or below the zone is something you need to fix, and charts like these decide how millions get spent or not spent every single day.

Image: shootingsSince2011.png

446 Rev_Arthur_Ebolaing  Oct 15, 2014 4:50:56pm

re: #442 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

why the fuck are you using a slope?

Ooooh burn! :D

447 gwangung  Oct 15, 2014 4:51:21pm

re: #429 Hal_10000

See my comment above. I fit their data as a function of time. There is a small slope (about 1.2 extra shooting victims per year) but it is also statistically consistent with a flat trend. Also tried randomly sampling the data and the trend goes away.

Also note the P<0.05 test is not going to be very effective here because 1) small sample size; 2) the number of sub-samples is large so the likelihood of finding a P<0.05 by chance is large; 3) you still have the bias that the Mother Jones’ is drawn from media coverage, not an objective source like FBI stats; 4) random sampling will show you why the analysis fails. If you remove one or two incidents form the sample, the conclusions change dramatically.

I smell BS. Many of those tests, if they show significance, they do so even while taking into account the small sample size. Kinda basic stats.

448 prairiefire  Oct 15, 2014 4:51:48pm

How about them Royals?, huh,?!!!!!!!!!!!

449 Rev_Arthur_Ebolaing  Oct 15, 2014 4:52:09pm

re: #443 Justanotherhuman

Upstate is full of ‘em—hardcore. SC is a bit schizo—the coast is almost like being in another state altogether, doncha think, with the tourism, etc. And Kimbrell isn’t exactly the sharpest knife in the drawer, if you peruse his FB page. Hardline RWNJ who likes Colbert (probably thinks SC’s character is real).

Which is kind of sad, because the upstate can be genuinely beautiful country, esp. near the NC border going to Asheville. I had heard Greenville had become a bit more progressive than the surrounding area, but there’s still a lot of cray-cray there.

450 Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 15, 2014 4:53:53pm

re: #440 Shiplord Kirel

Amarillo, Texas:Breaking News: Patient with Ebola-Like Symptoms at BSA Hospital

If this gets to Lubbock, just 100 miles away, expect a freakout that will make Dallas seem like an oasis of enlightenment and rational thought.

I’m wondering now how many uninsured people in Texas (thanks Rick Perry!) will be taking advantage of this to get hospital care when they feel sick, that they wouldn’t get normally.
Have a fever? Say you had contact with someone from West Africa. Make yourself throw up just to be sure.

451 Rev_Arthur_Ebolaing  Oct 15, 2014 4:54:33pm

re: #448 prairiefire

How about them Royals?, huh,?!!!!!!!!!!!

They become the first team to ever start the playoffs with eight wins and no losses

Pretty damn impressive!

452 Vogon Poetry  Oct 15, 2014 4:54:41pm

Oh, I think I’ve got a live one:

lawhawk ‏@lawhawk 1h1 hour ago
@SpeakerBoehner travel ban for TX where cases are spreading and TX hospitals are incapable of infection control? Oh you mean Africa. Figures
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@lawhawk @SpeakerBoehner the virus entered the USA from Africa. You are ignorant. The adults need to take charge now.
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@LionoftheSenate @SpeakerBoehner the experts have repeatedly stated that flight bans aren’t answer. You know the CDC, epidemiologists 1/2
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lawhawk ‏@lawhawk 3m3 minutes ago
@LionoftheSenate @SpeakerBoehner but since we have an active outbreak here b/c Texas hospital screwed up, only way to contain is travel ban
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453 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Oct 15, 2014 4:55:32pm

re: #447 gwangung

I smell BS. Many of those tests, if they show significance, they do so even while taking into account the small sample size. Kinda basic stats.

Yes. An N of less than a hundred means you have to have a much wider deviation to show significance, and that’s exactly what we find in this data. I also did Levene’s test of homogeneity and found a P<.001.

454 prairiefire  Oct 15, 2014 4:55:57pm

“LionoftheSenate”?

455 BeachDem  Oct 15, 2014 4:56:39pm

re: #443 Justanotherhuman

Upstate is full of ‘em—hardcore. SC is a bit schizo—the coast is almost like being in another state altogether, doncha think, with the tourism, etc. And Kimbrell isn’t exactly the sharpest knife in the drawer, if you peruse his FB page. Hardline RWNJ who likes Colbert (probably thinks SC’s character is real).

I don’t know about the coast being that different. We certainly have our share of hardcore loons here too—they just seem somewhat diluted (and ALWAYS deluded) during tourist season.

Remember, Michele (one l) Bachmann practically set up camp in Myrtle Beach in 2012; she was here about a zillion times. And Rick Perry is going to be the speaker at a Chamber event next month.

456 Rev_Arthur_Ebolaing  Oct 15, 2014 4:56:40pm

re: #454 prairiefire

Yeah, that stood out to me. Wasn’t that LBJ’s nickname? Or am I misremembering?

457 Vogon Poetry  Oct 15, 2014 4:56:54pm

re: #453 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

Now that’ll give me a migrane by trying to remember programming SPSS in college/grad school.

458 Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 15, 2014 4:57:17pm

bwahahahahahaa

459 Stanley Seabola  Oct 15, 2014 4:58:25pm

re: #454 prairiefire

“LionoftheSenate”?

Isn’t that our dear departed Senator Kennedy?

460 Rev_Arthur_Ebolaing  Oct 15, 2014 4:58:30pm

re: #458 Backwoods_Sleuth

He changed his hashtag. When did he start using her middle name?

461 prairiefire  Oct 15, 2014 4:58:52pm

re: #456 Rev_Arthur_Belling

Yeah, that stood out to me. Wasn’t that LBJ’s nickname? Or am I misremembering?

Edward Kennedy. ?

462 prairiefire  Oct 15, 2014 4:59:29pm

re: #459 Stanley Sea

Isn’t that our dear departed Senator Kennedy?

Stanley, Stanley, Stanley, we’re going to the World Series. I feel weepy.

463 Rev_Arthur_Ebolaing  Oct 15, 2014 4:59:30pm

re: #461 prairiefire

re: #459 Stanley Sea

You are both correct. My bad.

464 Stanley Seabola  Oct 15, 2014 4:59:56pm

re: #462 prairiefire

Stanley, Stanley, Stanley, we’re going to the World Series. I feel weepy.

Huge huge congrats!! What a town to be in.

465 prairiefire  Oct 15, 2014 5:01:22pm

South Carolina has miles of beautiful scenery. I also saw a little boy peeing off the side of his porch and a king sized mattress swinging by chains from a Live Oak, sooooo……

466 Rev_Arthur_Ebolaing  Oct 15, 2014 5:01:27pm

re: #464 Stanley Sea

Huge huge congrats!! What a town to be in.

Now if they play St. Louis in the W.S., I can imagine all the TV executives who are going to need therapy lol.

467 theEbolafishlives  Oct 15, 2014 5:01:31pm

re: #462 prairiefire

Stanley, Stanley, Stanley, we’re going to the World Series. I feel weepy.

Now, now. No rioting, you crazy Missourians.

468 prairiefire  Oct 15, 2014 5:01:54pm

re: #464 Stanley Sea

Huge huge congrats!! What a town to be in.

Thank you! Everyone is so happy!

469 prairiefire  Oct 15, 2014 5:02:09pm

re: #467 thedopefishlives

Now, now. No rioting, you crazy Missourians.

for real

470 Justanotherhuman  Oct 15, 2014 5:02:23pm

re: #458 Backwoods_Sleuth

bwahahahahahaa

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Breaking: Chuckles Johnson is still an idiot.

471 Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 15, 2014 5:02:27pm

re: #460 Rev_Arthur_Belling

He changed his hashtag. When did he start using her middle name?

A few hours ago after other media outlets had her middle name.

472 Rev_Arthur_Ebolaing  Oct 15, 2014 5:02:34pm

re: #465 prairiefire

South Carolina has miles of beautiful scenery. I also saw a little boy peeing off the side of his porch and a king sized mattress swinging by chains from a Live Oak, sooooo……

In SC, I used to live down the road from a Confederate memorabilia store … that was expanding … in 2005!

Yes, you read that right.

473 theEbolafishlives  Oct 15, 2014 5:02:38pm

re: #469 prairiefire

for real

Also, as an AL Central denizen myself, GO ROYALS.

474 Hal_10000  Oct 15, 2014 5:03:34pm

re: #434 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

By hand-picked I mean literally hand-picked. MJ established criteria for mass shootings that was very narrowly tailored. They then went outside of this to include a few incidents that didn’t meet their criteria and exclude others that did. These are drawn from media accounts. If the media thirty years ago did not report every incident with four or more deaths as a mass shooting, it is not included. That’s why I made the comparison to 1930’s global warming talking points. If you know stats, you know that if you slice the data finely enough, it will tell you what you want it to. If you compare mid-1930’s US temperatures to today, there is no global warming (because we were having a Dust Bowl). But you can’t subsample the data like that. If you look at all the data, global warming is clearly happening.

The Mother Jones data is very sparse. It’s fine for some conclusions (such as the discovery that most mass shooters got their guns legally). But the time analysis is prone to bias and random error. We’re talking about two incident per year. Two. The conclusion that mass shootings are rising is based on 15 total incidents in the last four years. Fox’s data has 40 times that much data just on mass shootings. And it is drawn from a database that does not have a potential bias in media coverage and includes a thousand times as many shootings to subsample.

These events are rare, thankfully. I don’t think you can draw conclusions from them, whether that’s banning guns or arming teachers or putting up the ten commandments or whatever. We can try to find people who do this before they do so (in fact, I’m convinced that many incidents are prevented by early intervention). But we’re still talking about less than a thousandth of this country’s violence problem.

475 Stanley Seabola  Oct 15, 2014 5:05:11pm

So, per Anderson Cooper the nurse called the CDC to get clearance to fly & got it.

They probably reacted scientifically, her temp wasn’t high enough, but DAMN.

It kind of shows how your average person has no idea how crazy Americans and the media are.

To our peril.

476 Randall Gross  Oct 15, 2014 5:05:38pm

re: #472 Rev_Arthur_Belling

In SC, I used to live down the road from a Confederate memorabilia store … that was expanding … in 2005!

Yes, you read that right.

In 2014 my Dad lives in Missouri next to two neighbors with lawn jockeys and up the road from a trailer park where they have a beer fridge on the porch and the stars and bars flying above the US flag. Last time I visited I was going to take a picture of that, but it made me too sad.

477 BeachDem  Oct 15, 2014 5:05:42pm

re: #472 Rev_Arthur_Belling

In SC, I used to live down the road from a Confederate memorabilia store … that was expanding … in 2005!

Yes, you read that right.

As I’ve mentioned before, when I have to stay In Columbia, I prefer the Clarion—not because it’s that great a hotel, but because it was Sherman’s headquarters way back when.

478 goddamnedfrank  Oct 15, 2014 5:05:46pm

re: #453 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

Yes. An N of less than a hundred means you have to have a much wider deviation to show significance, and that’s exactly what we find in this data. I also did Levene’s test of homogeneity and found a P<.001.

I had to get to at least 100 interviews for my Master’s Thesis, and my results were limited to the very specific population of people inside California with a particular set of interests.

479 teleskiguy  Oct 15, 2014 5:05:50pm

Have a gander at this Twitter account (@davidminbklyn) for a grotesque glimpse of “justice” in St. Louis County.

480 Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 15, 2014 5:06:22pm

LOL!

481 Kid A  Oct 15, 2014 5:07:28pm

re: #383 thedopefishlives

I believe the appropriate epithet is “douchecanoe.”

Douchecanoe.

482 Rev_Arthur_Ebolaing  Oct 15, 2014 5:07:35pm

re: #477 BeachDem

I think I used to drive by that Clarion a lot! Had no idea!

483 compound_Idaho  Oct 15, 2014 5:07:43pm

re: #462 prairiefire

(IDAHO FALLS) - Eleven members of the Kansas City Royals playing in the post-season are former Idaho Falls Chukars. The Post Register reports the players include five pitchers, three infielders, one outfielder, a catcher and designated hitter Billy Butler, who was a 2012 All Star.

484 Hal_10000  Oct 15, 2014 5:08:15pm

I didn’t eyelid the data, incidentally. I ran it through a standard function fitting algorithm. Number of deaths+injuries against year (deaths+injuries so as not to be fooled by improving trauma care). Consistent with null hypothesis. I also randomly subsampled their data but it became immediately obvious that the conclusions were all over the place because the data are dominated by several incidents — Luby’s, Aurora, Columbine, etc.

The problem with the P<0.05 test is that if you have 20 subsamples, at least one will come out as P<0.05 (XKCD illustrated this nicely). Over the thirty years of MJ’s data, you have ten three-year subsamples and fifteen two-year subsamples.

485 Stanley Seabola  Oct 15, 2014 5:08:49pm

re: #479 teleskiguy

Have a gander at this Twitter account (@davidminbklyn) for a grotesque glimpse of “justice” in St. Louis County.

WHOA

486 Justanotherhuman  Oct 15, 2014 5:09:12pm

OMG. This is awful.

Four people, including the son of Sen. Jeff Flake, have been indicted in the deaths of more than 20 dogs at a Gilbert-area kennel in June.

azcentral.com

Logan Flake and her husband, Austin, son of U.S Sen. Jeff Flake, R-Ariz., were indicted on 21 felony counts and seven misdemeanor counts of cruetly to animals. All four defendants are scheduled to appear at an Oct. 23 court hearing.

487 Kid A  Oct 15, 2014 5:10:58pm

re: #458 Backwoods_Sleuth

I’ve had enough of that dickbag. I understand that he’s such low-hanging fruit; so easy to fuck with because he brings it upon himself, but I honestly can’t stand the piece of shit any longer.

488 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Oct 15, 2014 5:11:14pm

re: #474 Hal_10000

By hand-picked I mean literally hand-picked.

“Hand-picked” is a figurative phrase. And what you then describe;

MJ established criteria for mass shootings that was very narrowly tailored. They then went outside of this to include a few incidents that didn’t meet their criteria and exclude others that did.

Please demonstrate, rather than claiming, that they did this.

. If you know stats, you know that if you slice the data finely enough, it will tell you what you

Please respond to what I said about doing an ANOVA test, and explain why you think a slope is a better test of variance, or I’m just going to conclude you’re completely bullshitting about stats while accusing others of bullshitting about stats.

Why is a slope better than an ANOVA test of variance for a small data set?

489 Vogon Poetry  Oct 15, 2014 5:11:27pm

re: #485 Stanley Sea

Before the spotlight shined on Ferguson after the Brown killing, this was going on day in and day out. Not just in the greater STL area, but around the country.

Out of sight, but hardly out of mind for all those affected by these policies.

STL area is particularly egregious with these actions. And the craziness of the kinds of “criminal” charges and fines/warrants is boggling.

490 Kid A  Oct 15, 2014 5:11:38pm

Any Canadians here now? Just wanted to say that your national anthem is awesome. (Watching Calgary v Blackhawks)

491 Stanley Seabola  Oct 15, 2014 5:13:32pm

re: #489 lawhawk

Before the spotlight shined on Ferguson after the Brown killing, this was going on day in and day out. Not just in the greater STL area, but around the country.

Out of sight, but hardly out of mind for all those affected by these policies.

STL area is particularly egregious with these actions. And the craziness of the kinds of “criminal” charges and fines/warrants is boggling.

Jim Crow.

I was wondering if the lower numbers of registered voters corresponds with people afraid to put their name down on anything due to outstanding warrants, payday loans etc.

Jim Crow.

492 Higgs Boson's Mate  Oct 15, 2014 5:13:35pm

re: #487 Kid A

I’ve had enough of that dickbag. I understand that he’s such low-hanging fruit; so easy to fuck with because he brings it upon himself, but I honestly can’t stand the piece of shit any longer.

Yep, pretty much had enough of the antics of CCJ. Time to move on.

493 Dead Tired  Oct 15, 2014 5:13:40pm

re: #490 Kid A

Any Canadians here now? Just wanted to say that your national anthem is awesome. (Watching Calgary v Blackhawks)

I was here, but I left, so no I’m not here.

494 Mike Lamb  Oct 15, 2014 5:13:44pm

re: #486 Justanotherhuman

OMG. This is awful.

Four people, including the son of Sen. Jeff Flake, have been indicted in the deaths of more than 20 dogs at a Gilbert-area kennel in June.

azcentral.com

Logan Flake and her husband, Austin, son of U.S Sen. Jeff Flake, R-Ariz., were indicted on 21 felony counts and seven misdemeanor counts of cruetly to animals. All four defendants are scheduled to appear at an Oct. 23 court hearing.

Fuck those people. Cruel motherfuckers.

495 Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 15, 2014 5:14:22pm

re: #486 Justanotherhuman

Way past time. His son has been killing and mutilating dogs and getting away with for a long time.

496 Kid A  Oct 15, 2014 5:15:14pm

Bigger douchecanoe.

497 Rev_Arthur_Ebolaing  Oct 15, 2014 5:15:41pm

re: #496 Kid A

Ha! I was expecting a beemer. ;)

498 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Oct 15, 2014 5:16:40pm

re: #484 Hal_10000

I didn’t eyelid the data, incidentally. I ran it through a standard function fitting algorithm. Number of deaths+injuries against year (deaths+injuries so as not to be fooled by improving trauma care). Consistent with null hypothesis.

Did you read the very-well-written Mother Jones criticism of doing that data analysis? Deaths+injuries you’d expect to be incredibly stochastic.

ata but it became immediately obvious that the conclusions were all over the place because the data are dominated by several incidents — Luby’s, Aurora, Columbine, etc.

That’s exactly why Mother Jones avoided doing that analysis. So congrats on criticizing MJ for an error you’re making.

The problem with the P<0.05 test is that if you have 20 subsamples, at least one will come out as P<0.05 (XKCD illustrated this nicely).

Wait I just noticed this. No, if you have 20 sub-samples, at least one won’t come out as P0.05. different from the others. If you take 20 sub-samples of something highly homogenous, you won’t get any. I’m really starting to lose any conviction you know more about stats than you’ve read (and apparently not understood) on XKCD.

So, can you find any other era of shootings with a smaller time-between-shootings along the timeline? The data is there, the way to disprove MJ is there, go for it!

Over the thirty years of MJ’s data, you have ten three-year subsamples and fifteen two-year subsamples.

You are taking the exact wrong conclusion from that; you are basically saying that we can conclude that any significant variance is just that one out of twenty. While it’s really important to remember that a single study is not enough, a single analysis isn’t enough, that doesn’t mean you get to dismiss all studies because they might be wrong. Certainly not as lazily as you’re doing so.

Also, again, Leverne’s test was P>.001.

499 Justanotherhuman  Oct 15, 2014 5:17:44pm

re: #495 Backwoods_Sleuth

Way past time. His son has been killing and mutilating dogs and getting away with for a long time.

I hope they do some real hard time, but I’m not holding my breath.

Goddamnit.

500 Kid A  Oct 15, 2014 5:18:33pm

Man’s car.

501 Jocko's Rocket Ship  Oct 15, 2014 5:19:06pm

re: #449 Rev_Arthur_Belling

Which is kind of sad, because the upstate can be genuinely beautiful country, esp. near the NC border going to Asheville. I had heard Greenville had become a bit more progressive than the surrounding area, but there’s still a lot of cray-cray there.

It is beautiful country. My grandparents lived in western SC near Greenville. My grandfather often took us fishing in the hills and forests, and I remember all the sign were riddled with bullets holes. Some were more holes than sign. I was a beer can collector at the time, and it was great for finding old beer cans, the problem was finding ones that didn’t have bullet holes in them.

502 Jenner7  Oct 15, 2014 5:24:27pm

Breaking: Prolific Hispanic Actress Elizabeth Peña Has Passed Away

imdb.com

503 Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 15, 2014 5:24:45pm
504 teleskiguy  Oct 15, 2014 5:24:58pm

THERE’S NOTHING WRONG IN ST. LOUIS! GO AWAY!

505 Romantic Heretic  Oct 15, 2014 5:25:25pm

re: #406 BeachDem

“No one is exempt from satanic attack. No one,” wrote supporter Wanda Rabena.

fitsnews.com

Um, isn’t the whole point of being faithful to ward off ‘Satanic attacks’? Satan can’t make a person do anything, anymore than God can. A person chooses how they act.

Party of personal responsibility, my ass!

506 makeitstop  Oct 15, 2014 5:32:02pm

re: #499 Justanotherhuman

I hope they do some real hard time, but I’m not holding my breath.

Goddamnit.

No mention of the younger Flake’s well-connected dad in any of three reports I watched at that link.

He deserves a lot worse than he’s probably going to get.

507 Justanotherhuman  Oct 15, 2014 5:34:25pm

I live in a beautiful county, but the politics really suck.

There is one particular piece of land with rolling pastures ringed with trees, its own large pond, a old round barn and 2 story farm house on a not-too-traveled 2 lane road that if I had the money, I’d buy in a NY minute. Every time I round the curve it’s near, as I pass that beautiful vista, it takes my breath away.

508 Justanotherhuman  Oct 15, 2014 5:35:42pm

Later, Lizards!

Everyone have a great evening. : )

509 Romantic Heretic  Oct 15, 2014 5:38:24pm

re: #490 Kid A

Any Canadians here now? Just wanted to say that your national anthem is awesome. (Watching Calgary v Blackhawks)

Thanks. I’ve always liked it.

510 Higgs Boson's Mate  Oct 15, 2014 5:39:18pm
511 Decatur Deb  Oct 15, 2014 5:45:33pm

re: #505 Romantic Heretic

Um, isn’t the whole point of being faithful to ward off ‘Satanic attacks’? Satan can’t make a person do anything, anymore than God can. A person chooses how they act.

Party of personal responsibility, my ass!

Gospel According to Flip Wilson.

512 TedStriker  Oct 15, 2014 5:46:43pm

re: #511 Decatur Deb

Gospel According to Flip Wilson.

“The Devil made me do it!”, right?

///

513 Decatur Deb  Oct 15, 2014 5:49:37pm

re: #512 TedStriker

“The Devil made me do it!”, right?

///

Of the Church of What’s Happening Now

514 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Oct 15, 2014 5:53:36pm

Hal? Any answer on why a slope is better than an ANOVA for a test of variance?

515 De Kolta Chair  Oct 15, 2014 6:17:19pm

re: #438 lawhawk

That’s high-larious!

516 Hal_10000  Oct 15, 2014 6:50:22pm
Please demonstrate, rather than claiming, that they did this.

Here is their criteria: motherjones.com

They specify lone shooter, then make exceptions for Columbine and Westside. They specify public shootings, but make exceptions for Crandon and Seattle. They then threw in a handful of spree killings. These are not consistent criteria. And again, the sample is drawn from news reports going back to the pre-internet era. Note when the intervals and variance are smallest — when Mother Jones started actively tracking these events rather than relying on archived media reports.

The ANOVA test does not address the big problem which is an incomplete and sparse sample, especially from the pre-internet years. And the ANOVA test is not appropriate for a sample that is not normally distributed, as this is not. It is highly skewed sample. In the time interval analysis, the average is 172 days. But the sample is heavily skewed by huge intervals in the 1980’s. The median of the data is 94. If you use the median as your guideline, their trend of 14 below average intervals becomes 11. If you restrict it to post-1999 data, when reporting criteria are more uniform (and they overlap the FBI active shooter data) the median becomes 62 and the supposed trend is very week. Furthermore, the time intervals suddenly changes if, say, they changes their criteria to requires 5 dead or 3 dead. Or if they missed a mass shooting from the 1980’s.

517 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Oct 15, 2014 7:08:30pm

re: #516 Hal_10000

Here is their criteria: motherjones.com

They specify lone shooter, then make exceptions for Columbine and Westside.

Aren’t these reasonable exceptions? What would the result of including multiple shooter incidents from 89 onwards be?

They specify public shootings, but make exceptions for Crandon and Seattle. They then threw in a handful of spree killings. These are not consistent criteria. And again, the sample is drawn from news reports going back to the pre-internet era. Note when the intervals and variance are smallest — when Mother Jones started actively tracking these events rather than relying on archived media reports.

The ANOVA test does not address the big problem which is an incomplete and sparse sample, especially from the pre-internet years.

I asked you why a line fit is better than an ANOVA as a test of variance.

And the ANOVA test is not appropriate for a sample that is not normally distributed, as this is not.

That’s really only true for platykurtosic data, which this is clearly not.

It is highly skewed sample. In the time interval analysis, the average is 172 days. But the sample is heavily skewed by huge intervals in the 1980’s. The median of the data is 94. If you use the median as your guideline, their trend of 14 below average intervals becomes 11. If you restrict it to post-1999 data, when reporting criteria are more uniform (and they overlap the FBI active shooter data) the median becomes 62 and the supposed trend is very week.

Instead of saying ‘weak’, with this nifty tool called statistics you can quantify it: how weak is the association?

Furthermore, the time intervals suddenly changes if, say, they changes their criteria to requires 5 dead or 3 dead. Or if they missed a mass shooting from the 1980’s.

Then, again, do actual statistical analysis to attack the data.

And answer the very simple question: Why is a slope a better test of variance than an ANOVA? Isn’t it, in fact, worse?

There’s only one test I know of that’d be a better test if you’re looking at a skewed population.

518 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Oct 16, 2014 3:33:32am

Crap, messed up a paragraph above there.

The bit about the news reports is Hals, not mine, and again, I challenge:

Why are news reports a bad source for this information? Do you think there are mass public shootings that didn’t make the news, or false reports of them?


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