Report: New Ebola Patient Called CDC to Report Fever Before Flying

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A medical correspondent for CBS News is reporting tonight that the latest person diagnosed with Ebola in Dallas, Amber Vinson, called the CDC several times before boarding a plane for Ohio to report a fever of 99.5 degrees — but was not told to avoid flying, because her temperature wasn’t high enough to be classified as “high risk.”

This is going to be a big problem for the CDC if the report is accurate.

CBS News Medical Correspondent Dr. John LaPook reports that Vinson called the CDC several times before boarding the plane concerned about her fever.

“This nurse, Nurse Vinson, did in fact call the CDC several times before taking that flight and said she has a temperature, a fever of 99.5, and the person at the CDC looked at a chart and because her temperature wasn’t 100.4 or higher she didn’t officially fall into the category of high risk.”

Vinson first reported a fever to the hospital on Tuesday (Oct. 14) and was isolated within 90 minutes, according to officials. She did not exhibit symptoms while on the Monday flight, according to crew members. However, the CDC says passenger notification is needed as an “extra level of safety” due to the proximity in time between the flight and the first reported symptoms.

“Those who have exposures to Ebola, she should not have traveled on a commercial airline,” said Dr. Frieden. “The CDC guidance in this setting outlines the need for controlled movement. That can include a charter plane; that can include a car; but it does not include public transport. We will from this moment forward ensure that no other individual who is being monitored for exposure undergoes travel in any way other than controlled movement.”

Frieden specifically noted that the remaining 75 healthcare workers who treated Thomas Duncan at Texas Health Presbyterian Hospital will not be allowed to fly. The CDC will work with local and state officials to accomplish this.

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564 comments
1 Rev_Arthur_Ebolaing  Oct 15, 2014 5:26:39pm

My question is: If she was concerned enough to call the CDC, why didn’t she postpone her travel?

(not absolving the CDC in this, either)

2 Stanley Seabola  Oct 15, 2014 5:28:26pm

re: #1 Rev_Arthur_Belling

My question is: If she was concerned enough to call the CDC, why didn’t she postpone her travel?

(not absolving the CDC in this, either)

She trusted them.

3 Charles Johnson  Oct 15, 2014 5:30:16pm
4 Stanley Seabola  Oct 15, 2014 5:31:07pm

I said downstairs, that yeah, the by the book scientific criteria probably said she was OK to fly.

Not every American, even those employed by the CDC correctly estimates the fear fueling America. The media mostly to blame, but the NEED FOR FEAR that we’ve been experiencing since 9-11 is clinical.

5 bill d  Oct 15, 2014 5:31:14pm

She may have been safe to fly but isn’t part of the CDC’s job keeping the country from panicking? If so, then they are failing miserably.

6 Stanley Seabola  Oct 15, 2014 5:32:18pm

re: #5 b.d.

She may have been safe to fly but isn’t part of the CDC’s job keeping the country from panicking? If so, then they are failing miserably.

They certainly failed the zombie plague.

7 Jenner7  Oct 15, 2014 5:32:35pm

re: #5 b.d.

Just gives Fox News more ammo to tell their stupid viewers the our government is lying to us and we’re all gonna die.

8 bill d  Oct 15, 2014 5:32:45pm

re: #4 Stanley Sea

I said downstairs, that yeah, the by the book scientific criteria probably said she was OK to fly.

Not every American, even those employed by the CDC correctly estimates the fear fueling America. The media mostly to blame, but the NEED FOR FEAR that we’ve been experiencing since 9-11 is clinical.

This is why science orgs need a non science person around. Science folks seem to think that others think as logically as they do.

9 Kid A  Oct 15, 2014 5:33:29pm

It’s not an accident that the right-wingers keep calling it an “outbreak.”

10 Decatur Deb  Oct 15, 2014 5:34:23pm

re: #9 Kid A

It’s not an accident that the right-wingers keep calling it an “outbreak.”

“Pandelerium” was already taken.

11 psddluva4evah  Oct 15, 2014 5:34:51pm

Ok, I’ve been at work all day.

But I”ve been getting pieces and bits on the newest Ebola case.

So I am a Microbiologist. I have worked in hospital labs for the past 10 years and I currently work here in NOLA. I lived in Dallas for 7 years. I worked in the big public hospital for 5-6 years then I worked for a sister hospital to Presby Dallas, and all I’m gonna say is Presby D has a reputation. I have a former coworker who had a job there PRN and he left within a month because of some issues he found with personnel and the limited experience of the techs working there.

So when the first case came, I always figured from jump that Presby dropped the ball the first time he came to hospital. the entire team that day, including nurses, PA, MDs etc failed arm Duncan that day and now that failure ended with his death and chickens are now coming home to roost.

The problem I had with this latest case was that the nurse knowingly travelled even after she absolutely came in contact with the Ebola patient , but now we find out that she actually called the CDC and they told her it was ok to fly??

What I now wonder if she was a buddy to the other nurse? A friend in DFW tells me the protocol at Presby is a buddy system. It should be the same as my current hospital protocol whis is also a buddy system. For the laboratory purposes, this means that there is a “clean” tech and a “dirty” tech.

the buddy system is supposed to work where one helps the other when it comes to taking off PPE and also the buddy tech is supposed to be paying attention as the “dirty” tech manipulates the specimen…ie they are supposed to be eye balling you and making sure that u aren’t scratching, rubbing head or mopping sweat.

And as you see they are taking the latest case to Emory instead of Presby Dallas and I’m pretty sure I know why.

12 psddluva4evah  Oct 15, 2014 5:35:34pm

re: #3 Charles Johnson

I soon expect him to make something of the fact that she was African American…

13 Kid A  Oct 15, 2014 5:37:23pm

re: #12 psddluva4evah

I soon expect him to make something of the fact that she was African American…

After he found out she was black and corrected his earlier tweet that she was a “white chick”:

14 psddluva4evah  Oct 15, 2014 5:39:11pm

I honestly am beginning to think the problem is that this is all voluntary. Soon as this guy came through the 2nd time, the CDC probably should have quarantined the whole staff who was gonna be working on him and just as they did the family, quarantine them right at the hospital and do not let them leave until a complete negative cycle of 21 days!

I think though that what needs to be understood is that this IS NOT considered to be an outbreak. Because so far the only people who have become infected so far are the two who were in close contact and caring for Patient 0, in this case Mr Duncan

The thing to do now is CONTAIN the virus so that it doesn’t spread outside of the zero zone in this case presby dallas. hopefully the nurse who travelled didn’t was in the contagious stage and no others become infected, but we won’t know until we know

As to who should be contained? I think they should contain any and everyone who came in contact with Mr Duncan, particularly the care givers at Presby Dallas. If it means they don’t let them leave the hospital, so be it. the family of Mr Duncan is still being monitored and will continue doing so. the same should be done for any staff at Presby Dallas.

the problem you have is the free-will of the people quarantined. in other words, you have a case like the MSNBC physician, Nancy Synderman, who left her quarantined cause she was tired of the food they were giving and she wanted some soup! that is a breach of protocol that should not have happened, but how to you stop someone from exercising their free rights?
Cause let’s be clear, the same ones who are outraged now, would be the same one outraged if they were told that they were being monitored and quarantined. How many among us would be happy with that, particurlarly if we feel fine and don’t think there is a chance that we contracted

15 Stanley Seabola  Oct 15, 2014 5:39:42pm

well, he hasn’t found her fiancee yet…..

16 nines09  Oct 15, 2014 5:43:21pm

re: #4 Stanley Sea

I said downstairs, that yeah, the by the book scientific criteria probably said she was OK to fly.

Not every American, even those employed by the CDC correctly estimates the fear fueling America. The media mostly to blame, but the NEED FOR FEAR that we’ve been experiencing since 9-11 is clinical.

It’s as if a part of this nation needs to worry or fear something. A blame game. I call it a national PTSD from 9-11. And certain political persuasions are playing it for all it’s worth.

17 bill d  Oct 15, 2014 5:45:42pm

re: #14 psddluva4evah

Thank you psddluva4evah. I live in the DFW area and know the rep pf that hospital. I wish that the CDC would have shown some adult supervision and showed up there to monitor everything and everybody. I can see where the CDC would assume that Presby could handle this but the stakes were too high to let this be run by some unprepared locals who were told over the phone that they could handle it and good luck.

18 Lidane  Oct 15, 2014 5:48:31pm

While CCJ bleats his endless stream of stupid, why no mention of this?

19 Kid A  Oct 15, 2014 5:49:56pm

FFS.

20 prairiefire  Oct 15, 2014 5:50:29pm

re: #11 psddluva4evah

Yes, it was reported on NPR today that they are reviewing the protocol of handling contaminated material, particularly how repeated exposure and disposal of contaminated items needs to be followed EACH AND EVERY TIME!

21 Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 15, 2014 5:50:51pm

re: #19 Kid A

FFS.

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UpChuck never had a real job

22 teleskiguy  Oct 15, 2014 5:52:25pm

OH NOEZ!!!

/∞

23 Kid A  Oct 15, 2014 5:52:37pm

re: #21 Backwoods_Sleuth

UpChuck never had a real job

HE’S A GERMALIST!

24 Rev_Arthur_Ebolaing  Oct 15, 2014 5:54:12pm

re: #22 teleskiguy

OH NOEZ!!!

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/∞

Charles must be mad about something. He’s shutting down the Twitterz!

Edit: Just saw the timestamp. lol

25 LadyBehir  Oct 15, 2014 5:55:01pm

re: #23 Kid A

HE’S A GERMALIST!

He’s a germ.

26 bill d  Oct 15, 2014 5:55:28pm

re: #22 teleskiguy

OH NOEZ!!!

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/∞

If Twitter goes offline Chuck will sue them

27 A Mom Anon  Oct 15, 2014 5:55:56pm

Apparently that doofus Don Lemon had “the definitive Ebola expert” on his show at some point in the last week. That “expert”? Robin Cook, who wrote the FICTIONAL BOOK “Outbreak”. There’s so much stupid involved in just that decision I can’t unpack it all.

Honesly, Mr Cook should have refused to appear on the damned show, but fuck, CNN, really?

This is why we can’t have nice things. I’m so very sick of the fearmongering. It’s going to end up with people hurting each other before it’s over.

28 bill d  Oct 15, 2014 5:56:48pm

re: #27 A Mom Anon

Don Lemon’s previously scheduled guest was sucked into a black hole.

//

29 Higgs Boson's Mate  Oct 15, 2014 5:58:04pm

re: #19 Kid A
Guessing that jackass was incapable of Googling Tom Frieden.
No wonder CCJ is so cocky: he’s going to make a bundle doing Google searches for dumbshit wingers.

30 Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 15, 2014 6:00:16pm

re: #29 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Guessing that jackass was incapable of Googling Tom Frieden.
No wonder CCJ is so cocky: he’s going to make a bundle doing Google searches for dumbshit wingers.

Actually, he relies on dumbshit wingers to do the googling for him.

31 BeachDem  Oct 15, 2014 6:00:36pm

re: #3 Charles Johnson

And furthermore, why is this BREAKING!!!!???

32 teleskiguy  Oct 15, 2014 6:01:50pm

re: #31 BeachDem

And furthermore, why is this BREAKING!!!!??

The word has lost all meaning on Twitter, believe me!

33 ObserverArt  Oct 15, 2014 6:01:59pm

Someone needs to get America’s Health Care Industry together and firmly read them the proverbial riot act. All they are doing is feeding the frenzy with unclear procedure. We need someone that can be firm in an old-fashioned, schoolmarm, classic Catholic nun or scary old principle, Irish cop way, set the policy and strictly hold people to it.

Now, please!

34 teleskiguy  Oct 15, 2014 6:03:49pm

Fucking news media! Ebola increases traffic, which means $$$.

35 Higgs Boson's Mate  Oct 15, 2014 6:04:02pm

re: #32 teleskiguy

BREAKING!

Hmmm, I thought that it might be a rush but, no.

36 Charles Johnson  Oct 15, 2014 6:04:11pm

re: #31 BeachDem

And furthermore, why is this BREAKING!!!!???

It’s just unreal what this evil little muppet is doing.

37 wrenchwitch  Oct 15, 2014 6:04:52pm

re: #27 A Mom Anon

I’m so very sick of the fearmongering.

Is that contagious?

//

38 Decatur Deb  Oct 15, 2014 6:05:31pm

re: #34 teleskiguy

Fucking news media! Ebola increases traffic, which means $$$.

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Waiting at @DENAirport for Frontier A-320 N220FR to arrive from Cleveland. 2nd US #Ebola patient flew on it on Tues.

Spoiler: It’s gonna look like a big airplane.

39 RealityBasedEbola  Oct 15, 2014 6:06:21pm

re: #38 Decatur Deb

Spoiler: It’s gonna look like a big airplane.

Give me Ham on 5, Hold the Mayo!

RBS

40 Higgs Boson's Mate  Oct 15, 2014 6:06:24pm

re: #30 Backwoods_Sleuth

Actually, he relies on dumbshit wingers to do the googling for him.

How does that go? “A million monkeys with a million…”

41 WhatEVs  Oct 15, 2014 6:06:27pm

re: #28 b.d.

Don Lemon’s previously scheduled guest was sucked into a black hole.

//

No, his previous guest was on Malaysia flight 370. /

42 Charles Johnson  Oct 15, 2014 6:07:26pm
43 teleskiguy  Oct 15, 2014 6:07:42pm

re: #38 Decatur Deb

Spoiler: It’s gonna look like a big airplane.

Video

44 krypto  Oct 15, 2014 6:09:14pm

Just to be accurate, the latest CNN version of this that I heard is that the CDC person answering her call merely failed to tell her not to fly, despite knowing she had an elevated temperature, had been caring for an Ebola patient, and was about to take a plane flight, rather than outright telling her to do it.

45 Stanley Seabola  Oct 15, 2014 6:09:39pm

re: #37 wrenchwench

Is that contagious?

//

Yes it is.

46 wrenchwitch  Oct 15, 2014 6:12:21pm

Later, lizards.

47 ObserverArt  Oct 15, 2014 6:12:29pm

re: #27 A Mom Anon

Apparently that doofus Don Lemon had “the definitive Ebola expert” on his show at some point in the last week. That “expert”? Robin Cook, who wrote the FICTIONAL BOOK “Outbreak”. There’s so much stupid involved in just that decision I can’t unpack it all.

Honesly, Mr Cook should have refused to appear on the damned show, but fuck, CNN, really?

This is why we can’t have nice things. I’m so very sick of the fearmongering. It’s going to end up with people hurting each other before it’s over.

Mom, one thing we all need to keep in mind is people like Lemon are all about entertainment. He is not concerned about anything else outside of ratings.

Sadly they also do not care about being factual, knowledgeable or educational. Sometimes it seems they actually go the other way and love to drum up the scare and ignorant fears. America has always had a lot of paranoia about germs and our share of hypochondriacs. This is for them.

How did the world ever survive without antibiotic soap and Purell gelled alcohol hand sanitizer?

Hell, it’s not really even about Ebola if you think about. Ebola is the come-on. Lemon would dance on his head while delivery the fear if it brought him some more points in the 18 to 45 demographic.

48 Stanley Seabola  Oct 15, 2014 6:12:59pm

OT, catching up on my super guilty pleasure - Below Deck (Bravo)

so LOL

Ebola not gonna get me!

49 Higgs Boson's Mate  Oct 15, 2014 6:13:13pm

re: #34 teleskiguy

Good to see level-headed, factual reporting rather than focusing on irrelevant trivia that might whip up more fear and consternation. Oh, wait…

50 Rev_Arthur_Ebolaing  Oct 15, 2014 6:14:16pm

re: #34 teleskiguy

Fucking news media! Ebola increases traffic, which means $$$.

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So they’re actually going to stake out a plane! SMH

51 OhNo!EbolaZombies!  Oct 15, 2014 6:14:28pm

re: #1 Rev_Arthur_Belling

Apparently she’s in the middle of planning her wedding.

52 ObserverArt  Oct 15, 2014 6:14:50pm

re: #37 wrenchwench

Is that contagious?

//

We already caught it. Systemic.

53 Higgs Boson's Mate  Oct 15, 2014 6:15:58pm

re: #48 Stanley Sea

OT, catching up on my super guilty pleasure - Below Deck (Bravo)

so LOL

Ebola not gonna get me!

You’ll be LOLing out of the other side of your face when CCJ reveals that you can get Ebola from watching the same cable network as someone who has the disease.

54 Belafon  Oct 15, 2014 6:19:09pm

re: #29 Higgs Boson’s Mate

I replied with a link to Frieden’s wikipedia page. I haven’t bothered to look at the replies, but my phone was making so many noises my wife had my son bring it to me.

55 teleskiguy  Oct 15, 2014 6:19:48pm

Youtube Video

56 Decatur Deb  Oct 15, 2014 6:20:41pm

re: #55 teleskiguy

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Yup. Big airplane.

57 Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 15, 2014 6:20:44pm

World class reporting here. Everyone take notice!

can’t stop laughing at this idiot.

58 teleskiguy  Oct 15, 2014 6:20:46pm

re: #55 teleskiguy

That plane is only 150 miles from my house! We’re all gonna die!

59 Higgs Boson's Mate  Oct 15, 2014 6:21:57pm

re: #54 Belafon

Cool! Thanks.

60 Decatur Deb  Oct 15, 2014 6:22:02pm

re: #58 teleskiguy

That plane is only 150 miles from my house! We’re all gonna die!

It’s down to be fitted with longer-range Ebola chemtrail tanks.

61 wheat-dogghazi-bola  Oct 15, 2014 6:22:08pm

re: #53 Higgs Boson’s Mate

You’ll be LOLing out of the other side of your face when CCJ reveals that you can get Ebola from watching the same cable network as someone who has the disease.

Ebola has skipped the airborne mutation and gone straight to transmission via Twitter.

62 wheat-dogghazi-bola  Oct 15, 2014 6:23:17pm

re: #57 Backwoods_Sleuth

World class reporting here. Everyone take notice!

can’t stop laughing at this idiot.

He left out important details like whether the nurses were “hot.”

63 TedStriker  Oct 15, 2014 6:23:37pm

OT: I’m sure that someone has likely posted this WaPo article, but I’ve been chewing on it for the past couple of hours while at work and it makes my blood boil:

WaPo: How municipalities in St. Louis County, Mo., profit from poverty

64 Rev_Arthur_Ebolaing  Oct 15, 2014 6:25:06pm

re: #62 wheat-dogghazi

He left out important details like whether the nurses were “hot.”

And whether they were “chicks.”

65 teleskiguy  Oct 15, 2014 6:25:30pm

re: #60 Decatur Deb

It’s down to be fitted with longer-range Ebola chemtrail tanks.

Have you seen my line of high quality tin foil hats, made with only the finest aluminum?

tinfoil haberdashery

66 Decatur Deb  Oct 15, 2014 6:25:43pm

re: #64 Rev_Arthur_Belling

And whether they were “chicks.”

CCJ is a wild and crazy guy.

67 KingKenrod  Oct 15, 2014 6:26:38pm

re: #3 Charles Johnson

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That gotnews article has Vinson’s home address listed. It’s in the license image list. This whole “jacking licenses” nonsense is just Chuck inventing a “journalism” excuse to publish her address.

68 Stanley Seabola  Oct 15, 2014 6:27:12pm

re: #63 TedStriker

OT: I’m sure that someone has likely posted this WaPo article, but I’ve been chewing on it for the past couple of hours while at work and it makes my blood boil:

WaPo: How municipalities in St. Louis County, Mo., profit from poverty

Follow this guy

Jim Crow 2000

69 RealityBasedEbola  Oct 15, 2014 6:27:50pm

This just amplifies a piece I heard on NPR today, that a poll (think it was Pew, not sure) of American people, 40% of them were very concerned about catching Ebola.

The chances of a person, so far at least, who isn’t part of the medical team that cared for an active Ebola patient is so mind numbingly, approaching 0 to the nth degree, not going to happen, period, small that I am way more likely to die tomorrow AM while taking my shower by slipping and falling.

I swear, if and when I get appointed supreme benevolent omnipotent Dictator for Life (long term career plan), there are going to be some changes made. A news system that actually reports, not creates news is going to be the first thing. Oh, and more cute kitten stories.

RBS

70 teleskiguy  Oct 15, 2014 6:28:03pm

re: #63 TedStriker

OT: I’m sure that someone has likely posted this WaPo article, but I’ve been chewing on it for the past couple of hours while at work and it makes my blood boil:

WaPo: How municipalities in St. Louis County, Mo., profit from poverty

That piece and a couple of essays by Goldie Taylor are an excellent foundation of knowledge and research about injustice in St. Louis County.

71 ObserverArt  Oct 15, 2014 6:28:46pm

I say, I say…Chucky C keeps cutting but no one is bleeding!

(Tip of the hat to Foghorn Leghorn…Loony Toons Character)

72 bill d  Oct 15, 2014 6:30:49pm

re: #55 teleskiguy

I think I can see some Ebola on that plane

//

73 Belafon  Oct 15, 2014 6:30:54pm

re: #59 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Ok, I decided to take a look. Our Charles took over (Which I am not sad at):

I don’t know how to embed multiple tweets easily, so go read the whole thing.

74 teleskiguy  Oct 15, 2014 6:30:55pm

For me, this is a first. US Senate candidate tweets during the debate (they’re debating right now).

75 OhNo!EbolaZombies!  Oct 15, 2014 6:31:30pm

Laugh if you want to, but I’m stocking up on duct tape, and plastic wrap.
Oh, and I’mma spray paint my windows black so Ebola can’t see me…

76 Eventual Carrion  Oct 15, 2014 6:33:54pm

re: #38 Decatur Deb

Spoiler: It’s gonna look like a big airplane.

Johnny: Oh, it’s a big pretty white plane with red stripes, curtains in the windows and wheels and it looks like a big Tylenol!

77 TedStriker  Oct 15, 2014 6:33:58pm

re: #68 Stanley Sea

Follow this guy

Jim Crow 2000

Yeah, those tweets posted downstairs were how I wound up reading the WaPo story, after doing a Google search on the situation (I’m at work, so no Twitter for me).

The only real solution I can see to the situation in StLCo is for the city of St. Louis and the county to join in a metropolitan government, but, with as many hands in the cookie jar in all of the StLCo municipalities that there are, I doubt it will ever happen.

78 bill d  Oct 15, 2014 6:34:00pm

re: #75 OhNoZombies!

Laugh if you want to, but I’m stocking up on duct tape, and plastic wrap.
Oh, and I’mma spray paint my windows black so Ebola can’t see me…

That’s just silly, I’m going to buy a lot of Tamiflu

79 De Kolta Chair  Oct 15, 2014 6:36:43pm

And now a spot of levity…

World War Zzzzzzzzzzzz

80 Higgs Boson's Mate  Oct 15, 2014 6:36:58pm

re: #73 Belafon

Ok, I decided to take a look. Our Charles took over (Which I am not sad at):

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I don’t know how to embed multiple tweets easily, so go read the whole thing.

Thank you from the bottom of my heart for wading in so that I don’t have to.

81 Belafon  Oct 15, 2014 6:37:22pm

re: #73 Belafon

82 Rev_Arthur_Ebolaing  Oct 15, 2014 6:38:41pm

re: #81 Belafon

Why is it I can guess the political persuasion of anyone who uses “ivory tower”?

83 OhNo!EbolaZombies!  Oct 15, 2014 6:38:45pm

re: #78 b.d.

That’s just silly, I’m going to buy a lot of Tamiflu

Oh…are you gonna spray that on your windows?
That’s a good idea!

84 TedStriker  Oct 15, 2014 6:39:18pm

re: #66 Decatur Deb

CCJ is a wild and crazy guy.

Funny thing: when I did a Google image search to post this pic, I found it…on Pat Dollard’s site. WTF?!?

85 Belafon  Oct 15, 2014 6:40:03pm

re: #82 Rev_Arthur_Belling

Yeah, I’m pretty sure the affiliation is dumbass in this case.

Except I blew my tweet sentence.

86 Rev_Arthur_Ebolaing  Oct 15, 2014 6:40:15pm

re: #83 OhNoZombies!

I thought the Tamilflu Tigers were rebels in some exotic place.

87 teleskiguy  Oct 15, 2014 6:41:46pm

re: #73 Belafon

Ok, I decided to take a look. Our Charles took over (Which I am not sad at):

[Embedded content]

I don’t know how to embed multiple tweets easily, so go read the whole thing.

For some reason UpChuck’s tweets wouldn’t go into the collection, did that fool block me? *start from the bottom*

88 OhNo!EbolaZombies!  Oct 15, 2014 6:44:25pm

re: #86 Rev_Arthur_Belling

I thought the Tamilflu Tigers were rebels in some exotic place.

Nah, they play Cricket.

89 Amory Blaine  Oct 15, 2014 6:44:29pm

Woot. Stepdad just got a job at GE. Bad news for GE though, as every place he’s ever worked at has shut down.

SELL YOUR GE STOCK NOW!!!

/ (half)

90 De Kolta Chair  Oct 15, 2014 6:44:42pm

re: #87 teleskiguy

Dr. Marty Fox’s medical experience from his own Twitter bio:

Father,Grandfather, Husband, Patriot, Conservative, Plastic Surgeon, Former Talk Show Host

91 lostlakehiker  Oct 15, 2014 6:44:50pm

re: #4 Stanley Sea

I said downstairs, that yeah, the by the book scientific criteria probably said she was OK to fly.

Not every American, even those employed by the CDC correctly estimates the fear fueling America. The media mostly to blame, but the NEED FOR FEAR that we’ve been experiencing since 9-11 is clinical.

The CDC was wrong to sign off on her flying. She acted in reliance on their assurances; she is blameless. The CDC, not. That 100.4 is a general threshold. The probability that someone is dangerous to the rest of the public, given only that they have a mild fever, is low enough that travel restrictions are not warranted.

The probability that someone is dangerous to the rest of the public, given that they have a mild fever and that they’ve been treating the very patient, in the same setting and with the same methods that already led to another nurse coming down with Ebola, is another matter. It may still be low, but with the stakes so high, low probabilities are too high. They need to be effectively zero. Which the CDC has now, belatedly, made policy.

Repeatedly, the response has been late and inadequate. Too little aid to Africa. Too little training for nurses. Too little attention at the hospital to the implications of a patient having traveled to Liberia recently. Too casual a system for getting information from the intake nurse to the rest of the team. And now this.

92 Belafon  Oct 15, 2014 6:45:21pm

re: #87 teleskiguy

OK, how did you do that?

93 WhatEVs  Oct 15, 2014 6:46:45pm

re: #72 b.d.

I think I can see some Ebola on that plane

//

But can you see Ebola from your front porch?

You betcha! /

94 ObserverArt  Oct 15, 2014 6:48:02pm

I don’t think I have seen anyone beat themselves up in a public demonstration of stupidity and not have a clue like everyone’s favorite laughingstock journo Chuck C. Johnson. Add in twitter and him being covered by many sites now and it is truly a wonder.

Yeah, I wonder. A lot. About UpChuck.

95 Decatur Deb  Oct 15, 2014 6:48:19pm

Passacaglia della Vita

Youtube Video

Oh how wrong you are
to think that the years
will never end.
We must die.

Life is a dream,
that seams so sweet,
but joy is all too brief.
We must die.
Of no avail is medicine,
of no use is quinine,
we cannot be cured.
We must die.

Worthless are lamentations,
threats, bravado
produced by our courage.
We must die.
No learned doctrine
can find the words
to calm this boldness
We must die.

There is no means
to untie this knot,
it is useless to flee.
We must die.
It is the same for everyone,
a wily man cannot
shield himself from the blow,
We must die.

Cruel Death
is unfaithful to all,
and shames everyone.
Die we must.
And yet, o madness
o ravings,
it seems like lying to oneself.
Die we must.

We die singing,
we die playing
the cittern, the bagpipe, yet
die we must.
We die dancing,
drinking, eating;
with this carrion,
die we must.

etc…

96 Belafon  Oct 15, 2014 6:48:29pm

re: #81 Belafon

Tonights the night of not quite complete tweets.

97 teleskiguy  Oct 15, 2014 6:49:33pm

re: #92 Belafon

OK, how did you do that?

Tweetdeck.

98 Amory Blaine  Oct 15, 2014 6:50:55pm

Fear. Apply directly to the forehead.
Fear. Apply directly to the forehead.
Fear. Apply directly to the forehead.

99 teleskiguy  Oct 15, 2014 6:51:47pm

Should we be surprised?

100 Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 15, 2014 6:52:48pm

I’m suffering early stages of derp overload from the Fresno drama queen…time for me to call it a night.

101 WhatEVs  Oct 15, 2014 6:52:57pm

re: #99 teleskiguy

Should we be surprised?

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Nope.

102 lostlakehiker  Oct 15, 2014 6:56:09pm

re: #63 TedStriker

OT: I’m sure that someone has likely posted this WaPo article, but I’ve been chewing on it for the past couple of hours while at work and it makes my blood boil:

WaPo: How municipalities in St. Louis County, Mo., profit from poverty

So what’s the answer? It would appear from reading the article that poor people should not, after all, have to carry insurance. Nor should they need to have licenses. Nor should speeding laws apply to them. That just won’t do.

Finland has found a way to finesse these difficulties. Traffic violations are penalized by a percentage of the offender’s income. Rich guy pays big fine, poor guy pays an amount which stings just as much in proportion to his pocketbook.

But still, in Finland, you can’t just flout the law. You are not excused from the duty to obey it, to not speed, etc., by poverty. You pay the same percentage fine as everybody else. It’s just—-you’re not ruined by it. Not if you take any care at all to drive safely and legally.

103 TedStriker  Oct 15, 2014 6:56:40pm

re: #101 WhatEVs

Nope.

I’m sure that Fox is just too busy derping about “Obola” or some such…

104 De Kolta Chair  Oct 15, 2014 6:57:05pm

OT, but though I live a rich and full life, surrounded by great friends and family, what I would give to be Raphael Saadiq for just one day.

Thanks for listening and carry on.

105 ObserverArt  Oct 15, 2014 7:00:43pm

re: #91 lostlakehiker

The CDC was wrong to sign off on her flying. She acted in reliance on their assurances; she is blameless. The CDC, not. That 100.4 is a general threshold. The probability that someone is dangerous to the rest of the public, given only that they have a mild fever, is low enough that travel restrictions are not warranted.

The probability that someone is dangerous to the rest of the public, given that they have a mild fever and that they’ve been treating the very patient, in the same setting and with the same methods that already led to another nurse coming down with Ebola, is another matter. It may still be low, but with the stakes so high, low probabilities are too high. They need to be effectively zero. Which the CDC has now, belatedly, made policy.

Repeatedly, the response has been late and inadequate. Too little aid to Africa. Too little training for nurses. Too little attention at the hospital to the implications of a patient having traveled to Liberia recently. Too casual a system for getting information from the intake nurse to the rest of the team. And now this.

I don’t know if I would use the word “blameless” for the nurse.

And, I am not saying the CDC didn’t screw up.

I would think if I was a nurse and was around an Ebola patient that died, the last thing I would do is get on a plane when I felt feverish. Obviously she was self-aware enough to call. Why not self aware enough not to do some self quarantining and a lot of calling to just about everyone for help. Now! I’d be so worried, and just knowing from reports that time is critical.

The Cleveland Clinic is world renown. I am pretty sure they could have been of some help in what to do and how fast to do it.

And I am not criticizing really. Just wondering when her own brain was going to kick in. Just asking for some thinking and considering from her. Surely as a nurse you’d think she would be checking out a lot about the disease for some self education. But that is me. I surely cannot speak for her.

So, would naive be a better word? A little clueless and not really thinking things through?

106 Amory Blaine  Oct 15, 2014 7:00:43pm

Poll: Scott Walker’s 5 Point Lead Disappeared

A new Marquette Law School poll finds the Wisconsin gubernatorial race tied with Gov. Scott Walker (R) and Democratic challenger Mary Burke each getting 47 percent support among likely voters.

The most recent Marquette poll’s findings, released on Wednesday, contrast a previous Marquette poll which showed Walker leading Burke by 5 percentage points.

Note, poll was taken before the first debate.

107 Stanley Seabola  Oct 15, 2014 7:01:49pm

re: #95 Decatur Deb

:(

108 Decatur Deb  Oct 15, 2014 7:05:50pm

re: #107 Stanley Sea

:(

A little traveling plague music…

109 Sionainn  Oct 15, 2014 7:06:43pm

re: #27 A Mom Anon

Apparently that doofus Don Lemon had “the definitive Ebola expert” on his show at some point in the last week. That “expert”? Robin Cook, who wrote the FICTIONAL BOOK “Outbreak”. There’s so much stupid involved in just that decision I can’t unpack it all.

Honesly, Mr Cook should have refused to appear on the damned show, but fuck, CNN, really?

This is why we can’t have nice things. I’m so very sick of the fearmongering. It’s going to end up with people hurting each other before it’s over.

Robin Cook actually is a physician.

110 ObserverArt  Oct 15, 2014 7:08:38pm

Later all. Decatur Deb is scaring me tonight. It’s too late for all that macabre prose. It’s going to take an extra hour to get to sleep now!

/// Damn you Decatur!!!

111 De Kolta Chair  Oct 15, 2014 7:11:37pm

re: #68 Stanley Sea

David Menschel @davidminbklyn
Follow
Woman just fined $25 for sleeping over at her boyfriend’s house without being on occupancy permit.

Reminds me of how in the mid-1970’s the Arizona legislature passed a law making spending the night with a member of the opposite sex to whom one was not married an act of prostitution and thus a criminal offense. As I recall, it was on the books for a week before it was scrubbed due to public backlash and widespread ridicule. I remember that well because it was the first time during the years I lived there that AZ rightwingers got their collective asses handed to them.

112 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Oct 15, 2014 7:12:14pm

re: #102 lostlakehiker

So what’s the answer? It would appear from reading the article that poor people should not, after all, have to carry insurance. Nor should they need to have licenses. Nor should speeding laws apply to them. That just won’t do.

No, the article doesn’t say or imply that, you total strawman addict.

113 Decatur Deb  Oct 15, 2014 7:14:30pm

re: #110 ObserverArt

Later all. Decatur Deb is scaring me tonight. It’s too late for all that macabre prose. It’s going to take an extra hour to get to sleep now!

/// Damn you Decatur!!!

Work it out the medieval way—get drunk and beat a servant.

114 RealityBasedEbola  Oct 15, 2014 7:14:40pm

I needed a spirit lifter, so I turned to the definitive version of one of my favorite songs, Hallelujah, kd lang at the Canadian Songwriters Hall of Fame.

Youtube Video

Someday, when Chuckie goes back to insignificance from which he came, let us all raise our voices in a heartfelt chorus.

RBS

115 nines09  Oct 15, 2014 7:14:58pm

re: #90 De Kolta Chair

Dr. Marty Fox’s medical experience from his own Twitter bio:

Father,Grandfather, Husband, Patriot, Conservative, Plastic Surgeon, Former Talk Show Host

That former talk show host gig entitles him to be Omnipotent and All Powerful Along With Omnipresent and Faultless In Assessing Everything Ever Known By Man Or Hoped To Be Known. Did Fox News find him yet?

116 Rightwingconspirator  Oct 15, 2014 7:15:46pm

re: #112 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

Obdicut, good to see you back. I trust this means you are doing better with that concussion aftermath?

117 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Oct 15, 2014 7:18:39pm

re: #116 Rightwingconspirator

Obdicut, good to see you back. I trust this means you are doing better with that concussion aftermath?

Nope. Just having a relatively good night. I’m not doing well, I’m afraid, but doing what I can.

118 Belafon  Oct 15, 2014 7:20:06pm

re: #109 Sionainn

Kind of an interesting history, too: en.wikipedia.org

Cook is a graduate of Wesleyan University and Columbia University College of Physicians and Surgeons. He finished his postgraduate medical training at Harvard.[4] He divides his time between homes in Boston and Naples, Florida where he lives with his wife, Jean, and son. He is currently on leave from the Massachusetts Eye and Ear Infirmary. He has successfully combined medical fact with fantasy to produce a succession of bestselling books. Cook’s medical thrillers are designed, in part, to keep the public aware of both the technological possibilities of modern medicine and the ensuing ethical problems.

Cook ran the Cousteau Society’s blood-gas lab in the south of France. He later became an aquanaut with the U.S. Navy’s SEALAB program when he was drafted in 1969.[5] Cook served in the Navy from 1969 to 1971, reaching the rank of lieutenant commander. He wrote his first novel, The Year of the Intern, while serving on the Polaris submarine USS Kamehameha.[1]

119 Charles Johnson  Oct 15, 2014 7:21:30pm
120 ObserverArt  Oct 15, 2014 7:21:45pm

Just had to log back in to say it’s good to see Obdicut around. I too hope it means you are feeling better and the concussive aftereffects are clearing. Hope to see more of your comments.

Edit…just saw Obdi’s #117. I hope things turn around for you Obdi. Damn.

121 Amory Blaine  Oct 15, 2014 7:22:23pm

re: #113 Decatur Deb

Work it out the medieval way—get drunk and beat a servant.

Is that like punching the clown?

122 Charles Johnson  Oct 15, 2014 7:23:00pm

re: #117 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

Nope. Just having a relatively good night. I’m not doing well, I’m afraid, but doing what I can.

Sorry to hear you’re still not well. We miss your contributions around here. Take care, my friend.

123 Belafon  Oct 15, 2014 7:23:25pm

re: #102 lostlakehiker

Did you see where one of the towns charged a woman $25 for sleeping in a house where her name wasn’t on anything associated with the house? That’s pretty much called extortion and theft in my book. It’s no better than that NY cop that took money out of that guys pocket.

124 De Kolta Chair  Oct 15, 2014 7:25:21pm

re: #115 nines09

They already have this creep, so Marty Fox would just be redundant.

125 teleskiguy  Oct 15, 2014 7:25:57pm

Hey Charles, I tried to add a couple of UpChuck’s tweets in a Tweetdeck collection and I got a message *there was a problem, try again later*. Does that mean UpChuck blocked me? Was it something I said? I am bereft.

126 Charles Johnson  Oct 15, 2014 7:27:50pm

re: #125 teleskiguy

Hey Charles, I tried to add a couple of UpChuck’s tweets in a Tweetdeck collection and I got a message *there was a problem, try again later*. Does that mean UpChuck blocked me? Was it something I said? I am bereft.

Yes, it probably means he blocked you. You can’t add tweets to a collection if the user blocked you.

127 Rev_Arthur_Ebolaing  Oct 15, 2014 7:28:17pm

re: #114 RealityBasedSteve

I needed a spirit lifter, so I turned to the definitive version of one of my favorite songs, Hallelujah, kd lang at the Canadian Songwriters Hall of Fame.

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Someday, when Chuckie goes back to insignificance from which he came, let us all raise our voices in a heartfelt chorus.

RBS

Sorry, have to disagree with you on this. The definitive version is this one:
Youtube Video

128 Rev_Arthur_Ebolaing  Oct 15, 2014 7:29:01pm

re: #126 Charles Johnson

Yes, it probably means he blocked you. You can’t add tweets to a collection if the user blocked you.

Does that work with Storify the same way?

129 Rightwingconspirator  Oct 15, 2014 7:29:04pm

re: #117 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

Nope. Just having a relatively good night. I’m not doing well, I’m afraid, but doing what I can.

Well then that’s disappointing, wish you well. If you don’t mind saying, how did you take a big hit like that? Car accident?

130 teleskiguy  Oct 15, 2014 7:29:51pm

re: #126 Charles Johnson

Yes, it probably means he blocked you. You can’t add tweets to a collection if the user blocked you.

Boo! I thought I was being nice to him.

Oh wait, I was honest about him recently.

131 Rev_Arthur_Ebolaing  Oct 15, 2014 7:30:23pm

re: #129 Rightwingconspirator

Well then that’s disappointing, wish you well. If you don’t mind saying, how did you take a big hit like that? Car accident?

IIRC, it was a biking accident? I remember when he wrote about it, but not the details, other than the migraines sucked. Hope he feels better soon.

132 Rightwingconspirator  Oct 15, 2014 7:31:23pm

re: #131 Rev_Arthur_Belling

IIRC, it was a biking accident? I remember when he wrote about it, but not the details, other than the migraines sucked. Hope he feels better soon.

Ah I missed that. Damn, that’s a fine mind to have bounced about.

133 De Kolta Chair  Oct 15, 2014 7:31:27pm

re: #119 Charles Johnson

Wait… there’s a KNOCK AT THE DOOR! @ChuckCJohnson wasn’t kidding!

Never mind, it’s just the pizza I ordered.

Strangely enough, that’s the basic plot of Chucky’s favorite film genre. //

134 Decatur Deb  Oct 15, 2014 7:35:27pm

re: #124 De Kolta Chair

[Embedded image]

They already have this creep, so Marty Fox would just be redundant.

Fox News senior medical correspondent calls for balance on Ebola:

Youtube Video

135 teleskiguy  Oct 15, 2014 7:37:45pm

As an apprentice of her husband, Wagner learned how to give traditional “hand-poked” tattoos—despite the invention of the tattoo machine—and became a tattooist herself. Together, the Wagners were two of the last tattoo artists to work by hand, without the aid of modern tattoo machines. Maud Wagner was the United States’ first known female tattoo artist.

After leaving the circus, Maud and Gus Wagner traveled around the United States, working both as tattoo artists and “tattooed attractions” in vaudeville houses, county fairs and amusement arcades. They are credited with bringing tattoo artistry inland, away from the coastal cities and towns where the practice had started.

136 teleskiguy  Oct 15, 2014 7:40:16pm
137 RealityBasedEbola  Oct 15, 2014 7:41:02pm

re: #127 Rev_Arthur_Belling

Sorry, have to disagree with you on this. The definitive version is this one:
[Embedded content]

Video

I’m afraid that there are certain subjects on which there can be no middle ground… Designated hitter rule or real Baseball, Pizza, or abominations with pineapple, Buckey or kd lang. I suspect you also eat pizza with fruit.

RBS
ROFLMAO

138 De Kolta Chair  Oct 15, 2014 7:43:04pm

re: #134 Decatur Deb

The Seventh Seal? It took me a few viewings until I realized that in a very dark way it’s a very funny movie. Though as far as religious allegories go, that sly old fox Luis Bunuel is more my speed.

Youtube Video

139 Charles Johnson  Oct 15, 2014 7:44:03pm

I was just looking through Chuck C.’s tweets about his “police reports” again. I think he must have been seriously drunk because this shit is crazy. Hard to believe he thought anyone would take this seriously.

I haven’t seen anyone lose their shit so badly since Barrett Brown.

140 teleskiguy  Oct 15, 2014 7:47:04pm

re: #139 Charles Johnson

I was just looking through Chuck C.’s tweets about his “police reports” again. I think he must have been seriously drunk because this shit is crazy. Hard to believe he thought anyone would take this seriously.

I haven’t seen anyone lose their shit so badly since Barrett Brown.

Yup.

“I just know…” Great grammar there, bud.

141 Rev_Arthur_Ebolaing  Oct 15, 2014 7:47:24pm

re: #137 RealityBasedSteve

I’m afraid that there are certain subjects on which there can be no middle ground… Designated hitter rule or real Baseball, Pizza, or abominations with pineapple, Buckey or kd lang. I suspect you also eat pizza with fruit.

RBS
ROFLMAO

I’m with you on 2 of 3 there, so maybe there can be a negotiated settlement!

(And I like kd’s version, but Buckley has the added “value” of tragedy, sorta like Cash’s version of “Hurt”)

;)

142 RealityBasedEbola  Oct 15, 2014 7:50:23pm

Well, I’m going to call it an evening, knock out a few chores and and get the garbage to the curb. In the mean time, I’ve asked my good friend Basil what we should do about Chucky, and here’s his idea.

Insert, Rotate, Repeat as Needed.

Don’t eat any ‘Bola-Flys

RBS

143 Decatur Deb  Oct 15, 2014 7:51:01pm

re: #138 De Kolta Chair

Heh. The coffin made me think of Wild Strawberries, until it opened.

144 teleskiguy  Oct 15, 2014 7:52:08pm

re: #139 Charles Johnson

Oh my fuck. Scroll down to 15 hours ago in his TL, seriously bad craziness. Invective, hyperbole, bad spelling and grammar. It looks like he tweeted non-stop from about midnight to 6 a.m., probably swilling booze the whole time because it gets worse as the time went on.

145 Decatur Deb  Oct 15, 2014 7:53:27pm

re: #144 teleskiguy

Oh my fuck. Scroll down to 15 hours ago in his TL, seriously bad craziness. Invective, hyperbole, bad spelling and grammar. It looks like he tweeted non-stop from about midnight to 6 a.m., probably swilling booze the whole time because it gets worse as the time went on.

Shame Bukowski didn’t have twitter.

146 goddamnedfrank  Oct 15, 2014 7:55:34pm

re: #139 Charles Johnson

I was just looking through Chuck C.’s tweets about his “police reports” again. I think he must have been seriously drunk because this shit is crazy. Hard to believe he thought anyone would take this seriously.

I haven’t seen anyone lose their shit so badly since Barrett Brown.

Yeah that got bad. I went to sleep after he compared himself to Nelson Mandela. Didn’t think he could top that, wow was I wrong.

147 Rev_Arthur_Ebolaing  Oct 15, 2014 7:55:35pm

re: #145 Decatur Deb

Shame Bukowski didn’t have twitter.

Or Hunter S. Thompson.

148 Rev_Arthur_Ebolaing  Oct 15, 2014 7:56:09pm

re: #146 goddamnedfrank

Yeah that got bad. I went to sleep after he compared himself to Nelson Mandela. Didn’t think he could top that, wow was I wrong.

OMFG I think I missed that one!

149 wheat-dogghazi-bola  Oct 15, 2014 7:57:01pm

re: #146 goddamnedfrank

Yeah that got bad. I went to sleep after he compared himself to Nelson Mandela. Didn’t think he could top that, wow was I wrong.

It’s a good thing CCJ doesn’t have many followers from South Africa. That remark would have enraged many people.

150 teleskiguy  Oct 15, 2014 7:57:24pm

re: #148 Rev_Arthur_Belling

OMFG I think I missed that one!

re: #149 wheat-dogghazi

It’s a good thing CCJ doesn’t have many followers from South Africa. That remark would have enraged many people.

But wait! There’s more! He tweeted this last December.

151 Decatur Deb  Oct 15, 2014 7:57:41pm

re: #147 Rev_Arthur_Belling

Or Hunter S. Thompson.

Most of his insults are more than 140 characters.

152 De Kolta Chair  Oct 15, 2014 7:58:05pm

OT #2, but at what point do Key and Peele become not fall on the floor funny? My guess would be be in three, maybe four hundred years.

153 William Barnett-Lewis  Oct 15, 2014 7:59:36pm

re: #145 Decatur Deb

Shame Bukowski didn’t have twitter.

< shudder > Bad enough as it was. Now, OTOH, I’ll bet Dylan Thomas would have written some entertaining drunk tweets. Of course, he actually was a talented writer … < whistles >

154 Charles Johnson  Oct 15, 2014 8:00:02pm
155 wheat-dogghazi-bola  Oct 15, 2014 8:03:06pm

re: #150 teleskiguy

I don’t think CCJ has this consistency thing figured out yet. He’s done it before. He’s probably said some uncomplimentary things about Malcolm X in the past, but now he’s just like him!

156 Decatur Deb  Oct 15, 2014 8:04:32pm

re: #153 William Barnett-Lewis

< shudder > Bad enough as it was. Now, OTOH, I’ll bet Dylan Thomas would have written some entertaining drunk tweets. Of course, he actually was a talented writer … < whistles >

Hemingway was good at character count, but you can’t beat Caesar:

Wen1, wid1, wik1.

157 teleskiguy  Oct 15, 2014 8:05:26pm
158 Rev_Arthur_Ebolaing  Oct 15, 2014 8:05:35pm

re: #150 teleskiguy

I am the Nelson Mandela of Twitter, not the Malcolm X. I forgive my captors for jailing me for free speech.

I just … there are no words for the stupid.

As I mentioned on an earlier thread, I think UpChuck is gunning for Jim Hoft’s title as Dumbest Man on the Internet.

159 wheat-dogghazi-bola  Oct 15, 2014 8:05:43pm

re: #156 Decatur Deb

Hemingway was good a character count, but you can’t beat Caesar:

Wen1, wid1, wik1.

SPQR, suckas!

160 allegro  Oct 15, 2014 8:07:12pm

re: #158 Rev_Arthur_Belling

I just … there are no words for the stupid.

As I mentioned on an earlier thread, I think UpChuck is gunning for Jim Hoft’s title as Dumbest Man on the Internet.

At least he found the one title he’s qualified to compete for.

161 The War TARDIS  Oct 15, 2014 8:09:17pm

Well, I saw the full details of the incident in Serbia v. Albania Game.

Youtube Video

Still want to note, that I still will side with anything against Serbia, especially after my reading of 2 books on the subject last year, especially the account of the survivor of one of the Serbian Death Camps.

162 William Barnett-Lewis  Oct 15, 2014 8:09:27pm

Off to the motel. Have a good evening all.

163 De Kolta Chair  Oct 15, 2014 8:21:08pm

Quoting Firesign Theatre

164 prairiefire  Oct 15, 2014 8:21:14pm

re: #48 Stanley Sea

OT, catching up on my super guilty pleasure - Below Deck (Bravo)

so LOL

Ebola not gonna get me!

They so debauch!

165 Dark_Falcon  Oct 15, 2014 8:21:36pm

re: #154 Charles Johnson

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Hopefully Twitter will ban him for good this time.

166 nearly-headless smith25  Oct 15, 2014 8:21:43pm

I like the song…

But I hate having God Bless America sung in the 7th inning stretch in MLB Playoffs.

167 teleskiguy  Oct 15, 2014 8:25:30pm

re: #165 Dark_Falcon

Hopefully Twitter will ban him for good this time.

Don’t count on it. Like freetoken said last night, Twitter is all about the bottom line. The more people use Twitter the better for their shareholders, and UpChuck increases use of Twitter. He’s openly flaunted their rules and went on record to say that Twitter can go fuck themselves. They let him back on anyways.

168 NJDhockeyfan  Oct 15, 2014 8:27:21pm

re: #7 Jenner7

Just gives Fox News more ammo to tell their stupid viewers the our government is lying to us and we’re all gonna die.

I’ve been switching between CNN and the baseball game. CNN has been all over the government’s ineptitude in the whole matter. Every expert on there is saying Frieden has lied to the public and should be fired immediately.

169 Rev_Arthur_Ebolaing  Oct 15, 2014 8:28:25pm

re: #168 NJDhockeyfan

I’ve been switching between CNN and the baseball game. CNN has been all over the government’s ineptitude in the whole matter. Every expert on there is saying Frieden has lied to the public and should be fired immediately.

Trying to outFox Fox. stay classy CNN.

170 EPR-radar  Oct 15, 2014 8:28:39pm

re: #102 lostlakehiker

So what’s the answer? It would appear from reading the article that poor people should not, after all, have to carry insurance. Nor should they need to have licenses. Nor should speeding laws apply to them. That just won’t do.

Finland has found a way to finesse these difficulties. Traffic violations are penalized by a percentage of the offender’s income. Rich guy pays big fine, poor guy pays an amount which stings just as much in proportion to his pocketbook.

But still, in Finland, you can’t just flout the law. You are not excused from the duty to obey it, to not speed, etc., by poverty. You pay the same percentage fine as everybody else. It’s just—-you’re not ruined by it. Not if you take any care at all to drive safely and legally.

Fuck this shit. Several jurisdictions in St. Louis country are clearly engaged in fleecing the poor via fines etc. under color of law.

There is no excuse for this crap.

171 teleskiguy  Oct 15, 2014 8:28:43pm

Well that’s a relief! Hopefully no one on the plane has licked the upholstery!

172 Charles Johnson  Oct 15, 2014 8:29:40pm

I was going to write an article about Chuck’s “NURSE IN FIVE STATES” post, but I realized he’s only hurting himself with that one, because there are a whole lot of people who understand there’s nothing unusual about nurses being licensed in several states so they can work more.

And he used his post to publish Amber Vinson’s private address, from whatever database he found these licenses. He’s probably hoping I’ll link to it to spread his hateful incitement. I think I’ll pass on this one.

But. What. A. Scumbag.

173 goddamnedfrank  Oct 15, 2014 8:32:09pm

re: #172 Charles Johnson

I was going to write an article about Chuck’s “NURSE IN FIVE STATES” post, but I realized he’s only hurting himself with that one, because there are a whole lot of people who understand there’s nothing unusual about nurses being licensed in several states so they can work more.

And he used his post to publish Amber Vinson’s private address, from whatever database he found these licenses. He’s probably hoping I’ll link to it to spread his hateful incitement. I think I’ll pass on this one.

But. What. A. Scumbag.

It’s obvious the only reason he thought being licensed in multiple states was suspect was because Vinson is black. The “jacking licenses” comment was just another 160 decibel dog whistle.

174 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Oct 15, 2014 8:32:43pm

re: #166 nsmith25

I like the song…

But I hate having God Bless America sung in the 7th inning stretch in MLB Playoffs.

Another side effect of 9/11. We should just get over it already, but we won’t.

175 Dark_Falcon  Oct 15, 2014 8:33:42pm

re: #167 teleskiguy

Don’t count on it. Like freetoken said last night, Twitter is all about the bottom line. The more people use Twitter the better for their shareholders, and UpChuck increases use of Twitter. He’s openly flaunted their rules and went on record to say that Twitter can go fuck themselves. They let him back on anyways.

Slate ran a very good piece on what’s wrong with Twitter 8 days ago:

On Twitter, the line between discussion and harassment is slippery. As soon as people overhear something they don’t like, they can drop in. If a lot of people hear something they don’t like, you will get swamped, and since you are always alone on Twitter—dependent on your friends happening to see replies addressed to you before they can jump to your defense—it can be discomfiting if even one of those people is less than friendly. Moreover, even if your critics have the most impeccable manners, it’s easy to become defensive and even scared if a dozen people simultaneously and independently disagree with you.

When does incessant polite disagreement become harassment? Essayist and Jeopardy! enfant terrible Arthur Chu eloquently summarized the paradox this way: “#GamerGate isn’t abt harassment as long as you define barraging ppl w questions abt shit that’s not your business as not harassment.” Cartoonist David Malki satirized Gamergate supporters’ habit of spontaneously (though politely) dropping into Twitter conversations criticizing their movement in his “The Terrible Sea Lion” strip on Sept. 19:

[reprint of the comic strip]

Even GamerGate supporters conceded that the “Sea Lion” cartoon made a fair point (and it’s since become a running gag, with some GamerGate members calling themselves sea lions). But not all such intrusions are so well-mannered. I have already written about the terrible harassment visited upon Zoe Quinn and Anita Sarkeesian both on and off Twitter, as well as the articles that blamed “gamers” en masse for the harassment and inflamed the conflict tenfold. Now that kind of harassment has become a constant threat to anyone taking any opinion about GamerGate on Twitter, particularly if she’s a woman. Gaming journalist Liana Kerzner made serious efforts to bridge the gap between journalists and GamerGate supporters in the hopes of reducing harassment, only to suffer a tremendous amount of harassment herself from GamerGate supporters.

Because the only way to identify a topic of discussion is to use a hashtag, complex topics are often reduced to a catchphrase and turn into flashpoints. Any remotely controversial tag is basically a Kick Me sign (or Kick Me spotlight), whether it’s #YesAllWomen, #GamerGate, or #CancelColbert. And in the case of a disorganized movement like GamerGate, anyone using the #GamerGate tag is frequently identified with the worst harassers who use the tag, and is treated as such.

Note: I didn’t add in the links from the paragraph after the comic strip to save time.

176 teleskiguy  Oct 15, 2014 8:33:46pm

re: #172 Charles Johnson

But. What. A. Scumbag.

Don’t let Betsy Rothstein see this! She might amend her hit piece!

177 wheat-dogghazi-bola  Oct 15, 2014 8:34:46pm

re: #172 Charles Johnson

I was going to write an article about Chuck’s “NURSE IN FIVE STATES” post, but I realized he’s only hurting himself with that one, because there are a whole lot of people who understand there’s nothing unusual about nurses being licensed in several states so they can work more.

And he used his post to publish Amber Vinson’s private address, from whatever database he found these licenses. He’s probably hoping I’ll link to it to spread his hateful incitement. I think I’ll pass on this one.

But. What. A. Scumbag.

I noticed that all the comments point out that being licensed in several states is nothing unusual. It’s SOP for traveling nurses and other medical professionals. My nephew has worked as a nurse in AZ, CA, IN and KY, and had to have licenses in each.

I also notice CCJ has not deleted or retracted an obviously wrong allegation. And, I suspect those mailing addresses belong to friends or associates of VInson, and are not all her own residential addresses.

178 Dark_Falcon  Oct 15, 2014 8:39:14pm

re: #173 goddamnedfrank

It’s obvious the only reason he thought being licensed in multiple states was suspect was because Vinson is black. The “jacking licenses” comment was just another 160 decibel dog whistle.

We’ve got a new acronym: NWB = Nursing While Black.

As with other ‘While Black’ scenarios, it has at its root someone (90% of the time a white person) assuming the worst of a black person and therefore deciding that said black person must be a criminal.

179 Rev_Arthur_Ebolaing  Oct 15, 2014 8:39:18pm

re: #177 wheat-dogghazi

I noticed that all the comments point out that being licensed in several states is nothing unusual. It’s SOP for traveling nurses and other medical professionals. My nephew has worked as a nurse in AZ, CA, IN and KY, and had to have licenses in each.

I also notice CCJ has not deleted or retracted an obviously wrong allegation. And, I suspect those mailing addresses belong to friends or associates of VInson, and are not all her own residential addresses.

(DERP)YOUR NEPHEW IS A LICENSE-JACKER!!!(/DERP)

180 teleskiguy  Oct 15, 2014 8:39:26pm

I realize this is a gross stereotype in the context of LGF.

Then again, I don’t know.

181 Rev_Arthur_Ebolaing  Oct 15, 2014 8:40:53pm

re: #171 teleskiguy

I still cannot believe those news editors sent reporters out to stake out a fucking plane.

182 teleskiguy  Oct 15, 2014 8:41:58pm

re: #181 Rev_Arthur_Belling

I still cannot believe those news editors sent reporters out to stake out a fucking plane.

Yup. The state of television news media in a nutshell.

183 jaunte  Oct 15, 2014 8:42:06pm

re: #171 teleskiguy

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Well that’s a relief! Hopefully no one on the plane has licked the upholstery!

Has Bobby Jindal refused the carpet ashes yet?

184 Dark_Falcon  Oct 15, 2014 8:43:02pm

re: #180 teleskiguy

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I realize this is a gross stereotype in the context of LGF.

Then again, I don’t know.

I’m not scared witless. I’m holding together, and I’m not too worried about Ebola in the US. I am pretty worried about the mistakes the CDC seems to be making.

185 Rev_Arthur_Ebolaing  Oct 15, 2014 8:43:54pm

re: #184 Dark_Falcon

I’m not scared witless. I’m holding together, and I’m not too worried about Ebola in the US. I am pretty worried about the mistakes the CDC seems to be making.

There *may* have been one fucking mistake. Shit happens.

Edit: So far, it appears most of the mistakes happened at the hospital, through no fault of the CDC. There have been THREE cases confirmed. Tone down the concern, for the moment, please.

186 De Kolta Chair  Oct 15, 2014 8:44:26pm

re: #184 Dark_Falcon

I’m not scared witless. I’m holding together, and I’m not too worried about Ebola in the US. I am pretty worried about the mistakes the CDC seems to be making.

Does that also go for the mistakes a certain privately-owned hospital in Dallas has made?

187 Dark_Falcon  Oct 15, 2014 8:47:03pm

re: #186 De Kolta Chair

Does that also go for the mistakes a certain private hospital has made?

Yes, but not as much since I don’t live in Texas. But mostly I just want there to be clarity so appropriate action can be taken. I’m not interested in playing ‘Gotcha!’ with this one: Ebola is far too dangerous for that sort of shit to be tolerable.

188 Rev_Arthur_Ebolaing  Oct 15, 2014 8:48:07pm

re: #187 Dark_Falcon

But mostly I just want there to be clarity so appropriate action can be taken. I’m not interested in playing ‘Gotcha!’ with this one: Ebola is far too dangerous for that sort of shit to be tolerable.

WTF does that even mean?

189 teleskiguy  Oct 15, 2014 8:49:38pm

re: #184 Dark_Falcon

I’m not scared witless. I’m holding together, and I’m not too worried about Ebola in the US. I am pretty worried about the mistakes the CDC seems to be making.

I’m concerned about the hospitals in Texas that have bungled the treatment of the three (3) folks that have come down with Ebola. Amber Vinson is in Atlanta tonight, where two (2) folks who were working in west Africa who came down with Ebola were treated and are alive today, recovered. And IIRC, one (1) patient came back from west Africa and was treated and released in Omaha, NE.

This is what we’re dealing with. This is why I am getting particularly pissed off with big media blowing this fucking whole thing out of proportion. It’s irresponsible, it’s dangerous.

So the CDC needs to do this. ObserverArt, take it away:

re: #33 ObserverArt

Someone needs to get America’s Health Care Industry together and firmly read them the proverbial riot act. All they are doing is feeding the frenzy with unclear procedure. We need someone that can be firm in an old-fashioned, schoolmarm, classic Catholic nun or scary old principle, Irish cop way, set the policy and strictly hold people to it.

Now, please!

190 makeitstop  Oct 15, 2014 8:51:07pm

Here’s a really cool story about a German man and the Mercedes G-Wagen that he drove through 180 countries in.

Link

191 De Kolta Chair  Oct 15, 2014 8:51:12pm

re: #187 Dark_Falcon

Sorry, I’m not following you. Or to put it another way, huh?

192 goddamnedfrank  Oct 15, 2014 8:53:19pm

re: #188 Rev_Arthur_Belling

WTF does that even mean?

It means he gives a shit about things in direct proportion to geographical proximity.

Which is dumb.

193 wheat-dogghazi-bola  Oct 15, 2014 8:54:58pm

re: #179 Rev_Arthur_Belling

(DERP)YOUR NEPHEW IS A LICENSE-JACKER!!!(/DERP)

Impossiwobble — my nephew is white!

194 Dark_Falcon  Oct 15, 2014 8:55:45pm

re: #188 Rev_Arthur_Belling

re: #191 De Kolta Chair

It means I want the CDC to figure out clearly what’s gone wrong in the medical community’s response to Ebola and how it needs to be fixed. I’m not interested in fixing blame, I care about fixing the problem. I put the “no gotcha” sentence to try to make clear I wasn’t trying to play some sort of stupid partisan game.

195 De Kolta Chair  Oct 15, 2014 8:56:21pm

196 Rev_Arthur_Ebolaing  Oct 15, 2014 8:57:29pm

re: #194 Dark_Falcon

It means I want the CDC to figure out clearly what’s gone wrong in the medical community’s response to Ebola and how it needs to be fixed. I’m not interested in fixing blame, I care about fixing the problem. I put the “no gotcha” sentence to try to make clear I wasn’t trying to play some sort of stupid partisan game.

Fair enough. But your use of the term “medical community” in this situation is a bit of a huge leap from one hospital in Texas that had some fucked up infectious disease protocols.

197 teleskiguy  Oct 15, 2014 8:57:34pm

re: #194 Dark_Falcon

It means I want the CDC to figure out clearly what’s gone wrong in the medical community’s response to Ebola and how it needs to be fixed. I’m not interested in fixing blame, I care about fixing the problem. I put the “no gotcha” sentence to try to make clear I wasn’t trying to play some sort of stupid partisan game.

I HATED GOVERNMENT BEFORE BUT NOW GOVERNMENT NEEDS TO BE THE BEST

Dark_Falcon, you’re losing me, here.

198 psddluva4evah  Oct 15, 2014 8:59:47pm

Ok so here we go…containment. This though is still voluntary. Can anyone imagine if there was a forced or mandatory quarantines? I suspect that’s why the language of this is less “urgent” than what we would expect

Texas hospital where #Ebola spread offers rooms to “impacted employees” who fear exposing family, friends, others. t.co

199 Rev_Arthur_Ebolaing  Oct 15, 2014 9:00:10pm

Also, I hate this shit where people use the head of an agency as the scapegoat for something someone way down the chain does that isn’t to their satisfaction. It’s not like the head of the CDC is Tony Stark in his lab.

Sometimes, that shoe fits (see Michael Brown after Katrina), but more often than not, it’s pure malicious bullshit.

200 Dark_Falcon  Oct 15, 2014 9:01:02pm

re: #197 teleskiguy

I HATED GOVERNMENT BEFORE BUT NOW GOVERNMENT NEEDS TO BE THE BEST

Dark_Falcon, you’re losing me, here.

I’m afraid we’re on different wavelengths, then. Let’s just leave it.

201 NJDhockeyfan  Oct 15, 2014 9:01:15pm

This is truly disturbing. Nurses are on the front line and the union is pissed by the lack of safety and protocols for these nurses.

At first, protective gear nurses were wearing while treating Duncan left their necks exposed.

After expressing concerns that their necks were exposed even as they wore protective gear, the nurses were told to wrap their necks with medical tape, the union says.

“They were told to use medical tape and had to use four to five pieces of medical tape wound around their neck. The nurses have expressed a lot of concern about how difficult it is to remove the tape from their neck,” Burger said.

At one point during Duncan’s care, hazardous waste piled up.

“There was no one to pick up hazardous waste as it piled to the ceiling,” Burger said. “They did not have access to proper supplies.”

Nurses got no “hands-on” training about using protective gear.

“There was no mandate for nurses to attend training,” Burger said, though they did receive an e-mail about a hospital seminar on Ebola.

“This was treated like hundreds of other seminars that were routinely offered to staff,” she said.

202 goddamnedfrank  Oct 15, 2014 9:01:26pm

re: #197 teleskiguy

I HATED GOVERNMENT BEFORE BUT NOW GOVERNMENT NEEDS TO BE THE BEST

Dark_Falcon, you’re losing me, here.

Regulation kills jobs, stifles inovation and causes inefficiencies LOL. The free market can handle ebola.

203 teleskiguy  Oct 15, 2014 9:02:16pm

re: #200 Dark_Falcon

I’m afraid we’re on different wavelengths, then. Let’s just leave it.

Kind of a cop-out, but it’s honest.

*upding, motherfucker*

204 NJDhockeyfan  Oct 15, 2014 9:03:11pm

In baseball news the SF Giants just won the NLCS.

205 teleskiguy  Oct 15, 2014 9:03:34pm

re: #204 NJDhockeyfan

In baseball news the SF Giants just won the NLCS.

ATTN: darthstar

206 goddamnedfrank  Oct 15, 2014 9:05:09pm

re: #200 Dark_Falcon

I’m afraid we’re on different wavelengths, then. Let’s just leave it.

Why? The ebola scare is highlighting the need for increased, not decreased government oversight and industry regulation. For all the stumbling and screw ups of the CDC response so far nobody with any sense thinks the free market is or could ever in any way be prepared to handle this.

207 Rev_Arthur_Ebolaing  Oct 15, 2014 9:05:21pm

re: #204 NJDhockeyfan

In baseball news the SF Giants just won the NLCS.

And all the TV execs breathed a huge sigh of relief at not having to air a Missouri-only World Series.

208 Rev_Arthur_Ebolaing  Oct 15, 2014 9:06:23pm

re: #203 teleskiguy

Kind of a cop-out, but it’s honest.

*upding, motherfucker*

That seems to be a theme with D_F.

209 Dark_Falcon  Oct 15, 2014 9:06:29pm

re: #203 teleskiguy

Kind of a cop-out, but it’s honest.

*upding, motherfucker*

Not trying to cop out but you know that graphic GDF has had occasion to post a few times lately regarding me? I’m trying to stop digging.

210 lostlakehiker  Oct 15, 2014 9:07:20pm

re: #102 lostlakehiker

So what’s the answer? It would appear from reading the article that poor people should not, after all, have to carry insurance. Nor should they need to have licenses. Nor should speeding laws apply to them. That just won’t do.

Finland has found a way to finesse these difficulties. Traffic violations are penalized by a percentage of the offender’s income. Rich guy pays big fine, poor guy pays an amount which stings just as much in proportion to his pocketbook.

But still, in Finland, you can’t just flout the law. You are not excused from the duty to obey it, to not speed, etc., by poverty. You pay the same percentage fine as everybody else. It’s just—-you’re not ruined by it. Not if you take any care at all to drive safely and legally.

Wow! All that negativity for an idea that generously exempts poor people from every burden of the law except the simple obligation to kind of sort of obey it.

You all really think they should be outright exempt? Or what? Anybody care to explain or even defend this attitude?

211 KingKenrod  Oct 15, 2014 9:07:30pm

re: #204 NJDhockeyfan

In baseball news the SF Giants just won the NLCS.

Nope, just up 3-1 in the series.

212 Rev_Arthur_Ebolaing  Oct 15, 2014 9:08:31pm

re: #211 KingKenrod

Nope, just up 3-1 in the series.

Ha! shows how much I’m following baseball :D

(I still think all the TV execs are praying for SF to win the series)

213 Lidane  Oct 15, 2014 9:09:36pm

re: #201 NJDhockeyfan

This is truly disturbing. Nurses are on the front line and the union is pissed by the lack of safety and protocols for these nurses.

Texas is a “right to work” state. The union can be as pissed as they want, but in our Republican Utopia of small gubmint and free markets, those nurses would just find themselves unemployed until someone else hired them if they complained.

214 psddluva4evah  Oct 15, 2014 9:09:44pm

re: #199 Rev_Arthur_Belling

I don’t even understand their logic. So the CDC guy steps down, So who then takes his place? So now the premiere org for keeping public health safe will be without a leader?

BTW, sure would be nice if we had an acting Surgeon General…

215 De Kolta Chair  Oct 15, 2014 9:10:20pm

re: #194 Dark_Falcon

It means I want the CDC to figure out clearly what’s gone wrong in the medical community’s response to Ebola and how it needs to be fixed. I’m not interested in fixing blame, I care about fixing the problem. I put the “no gotcha” sentence to try to make clear I wasn’t trying to play some sort of stupid partisan game.

I suspect the CDC also cares about fixing the problem.

216 Dark_Falcon  Oct 15, 2014 9:10:43pm

re: #215 De Kolta Chair

I suspect the CDC also cares about fixing the problem.

Quite Concur.

217 lostlakehiker  Oct 15, 2014 9:10:58pm

re: #213 Lidane

Texas is a “right to work” state. The union can be as pissed as they want, but in our Republican Utopia of small gubmint and free markets, those nurses would just find themselves unemployed until someone else hired them if they complained.

And someone would hire them, pronto.

218 EPR-radar  Oct 15, 2014 9:14:24pm

re: #210 lostlakehiker

Wow! All that negativity for an idea that generously exempts poor people from every burden of the law except the simple obligation to kind of sort of obey it.

You all really think they should be outright exempt? Or what? Anybody care to explain or even defend this attitude?

The negativity is earned for your apparent contention that what’s happening in St. Louis with respect to traffic fines etc. is any kind of normal or reasonable law enforcement.

219 teleskiguy  Oct 15, 2014 9:14:36pm

re: #209 Dark_Falcon

Not trying to cop out but you know that graphic GDF has had occasion to post a few times lately regarding me? I’m trying to stop digging.

Yeah, this one. The picture makes me laugh!

220 Lidane  Oct 15, 2014 9:15:08pm

re: #214 psddluva4evah

BTW, sure would be nice if we had an acting Surgeon General…

We DO have an acting Surgeon General. We just don’t have a real one that’s been confirmed.

You know, because wanting to study gun violence means you want to burn the Second Amendment to the ground, so the Surgeon General nominee is clearly unqualified. Or something. That’s what RWNJs have been telling me this week.

221 goddamnedfrank  Oct 15, 2014 9:15:36pm

re: #210 lostlakehiker

Wow! All that negativity for an idea that generously exempts poor people from every burden of the law except the simple obligation to kind of sort of obey it.

You all really think they should be outright exempt? Or what? Anybody care to explain or even defend this attitude?

You’re an asshole and started off your post with an egregious strawman.

It would appear from reading the article that poor people should not, after all, have to carry insurance. Nor should they need to have licenses. Nor should speeding laws apply to them. That just won’t do.

See, all that, strawman. Nobody was downdinging the way Finland structures fines, that’s an awesome plan. But conservative Republicans in this country would never go for it. They’re all about flat taxation and everyone paying equally now, the idea that people should pay for government according to their means is verboten in the GOP. They hate and rail against the current existing progressive IRS income tax tier structure, so idea of a progressive structure for fees and court fines would be labeled as socialist and rejected completely out of hand.

222 NJDhockeyfan  Oct 15, 2014 9:16:53pm

re: #213 Lidane

Texas is a “right to work” state. The union can be as pissed as they want, but in our Republican Utopia of small gubmint and free markets, those nurses would just find themselves unemployed until someone else hired them if they complained.

I seriously doubt that. There is that whistleblower law. Besides the CDC has known about the Ebola outbreak for 4 months. Why haven’t they put in protocols yet or decent training? Some of the nurses said their training consisted of being told to watch videos about ebola on YouTube. It’s pathetic.

223 Lidane  Oct 15, 2014 9:17:40pm
224 NJDhockeyfan  Oct 15, 2014 9:18:26pm

re: #219 teleskiguy

Yeah, this one. The picture makes me laugh!

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A shovel ready job!

225 Rev_Arthur_Ebolaing  Oct 15, 2014 9:18:37pm

re: #222 NJDhockeyfan

I seriously doubt that. There is that whistleblower law. Besides the CDC has known about the Ebola outbreak for 4 months. Why haven’t they put in protocols yet or decent training? Some of the nurses said their training consisted of being told to watch videos about ebola on YouTube. It’s pathetic.

You assume the CDC hasn’t done so, and apparently haven’t considered the asshole nature of private for-profit hospital management.

226 EPR-radar  Oct 15, 2014 9:19:22pm

re: #221 goddamnedfrank

We can also add the total irrelevance of Finland’s traffic fines to municipalities in St Louis county that have two or more outstanding traffic warrants for each household in the city.

Fleecing by law enforcement seems a more reasonable explanation for this than assuming these places in St. Louis somehow manage to attract the worst traffic scofflaws on the planet.

227 Lidane  Oct 15, 2014 9:19:46pm

re: #222 NJDhockeyfan

I seriously doubt that. There is that whistleblower law. Besides the CDC has known about the Ebola outbreak for 4 months. Why haven’t they put in protocols yet or decent training? Some of the nurses said their training consisted of being told to watch videos about ebola on YouTube. It’s pathetic.

Why are you automatically assuming the training failure came from the CDC? Texas isn’t exactly a bastion of great health care, especially for the poor or uninsured, so a private hospital like Presbyterian could easily have skimped on their staff training because they assumed that anyone with ebola would end up at a public hospital before being quarantined by the CDC.

228 NJDhockeyfan  Oct 15, 2014 9:20:57pm

re: #225 Rev_Arthur_Belling

You assume the CDC hasn’t done so, and apparently haven’t considered the asshole nature of private for-profit hospital management.

The nurse union says they know of no protocols. If the CDC has protocols they need to stop sitting on it.

229 teleskiguy  Oct 15, 2014 9:21:39pm

re: #167 teleskiguy

Don’t count on it. Like freetoken said last night, Twitter is all about the bottom line. The more people use Twitter the better for their shareholders, and UpChuck increases use of Twitter. He’s openly flaunted their rules and went on record to say that Twitter can go fuck themselves. They let him back on anyways.

Tweeted 24 hours ago.

This fucking asshole is a real piece of work.

230 Rev_Arthur_Ebolaing  Oct 15, 2014 9:22:23pm

re: #227 Lidane

Why are you automatically assuming the training failure came from the CDC? Texas isn’t exactly a bastion of great health care, especially for the poor or uninsured, so a private hospital like Presbyterian could easily have skimped on their staff training because they assumed that anyone with ebola would end up at a public hospital before being quarantined by the CDC.

To be fair, my mom worked in healthcare in a Texas hospital with a world-class cardiologist, and I’ve had two friends treated for cancer at MD Anderson. There’s good healthcare in Texas, but, as you say, not always.

231 Lidane  Oct 15, 2014 9:22:59pm

re: #228 NJDhockeyfan

The nurse union says they know of no protocols. If the CDC has protocols they need to stop sitting on it.

And again— the nurses at Presbyterian AREN’T UNIONIZED. It doesn’t matter what the union thinks in this situation. They don’t represent the nurses except in giving their side of the story.

232 goddamnedfrank  Oct 15, 2014 9:23:13pm
233 Lidane  Oct 15, 2014 9:23:55pm

re: #230 Rev_Arthur_Belling

To be fair, my mom worked in healthcare in a Texas hospital with a world-class cardiologist, and I’ve had two friends treated for cancer at MD Anderson. There’s good healthcare in Texas, but, as you say, not always.

There are some great hospitals here if you can afford them. If you’re uninsured or poor, though? Good luck.

234 Lidane  Oct 15, 2014 9:25:34pm

re: #232 goddamnedfrank

OBUMMER NEEDS TO STAY OUT OF MAH HEALTH CARE!

*reads story about Ebola patient in Dallas*

WHY WON’T OBUMMER DO ANYTHING ABOUT MAH HEALTHCARE?!

Lather, rinse, repeat.

235 Rev_Arthur_Ebolaing  Oct 15, 2014 9:25:52pm

re: #233 Lidane

True that. When my mom was working, the hospital was run by actual nuns, and there was a definite charity aspect to their operations. After I grew up, the non-profit was taken over by some stupid healthcare management company, and the whole charity aspect went out the window.

236 WhatEVs  Oct 15, 2014 9:26:42pm

re: #190 makeitstop

Here’s a really cool story about a German man and the Mercedes G-Wagen that he drove through 180 countries in.

Link

Did you ever see the documentary on the VW bug this guy drive all over the world, sold it, then reunited with it again when he was old? It was fantastic. I wish I could remember the man’s name.

237 BeachDem  Oct 15, 2014 9:28:41pm

re: #189 teleskiguy

I’m concerned about the hospitals in Texas that have bungled the treatment of the three (3) folks that have come down with Ebola. Amber Vinson is in Atlanta tonight, where two (2) folks who were working in west Africa who came down with Ebola were treated and are alive today, recovered. And IIRC, one (1) patient came back from west Africa and was treated and released in Omaha, NE.

This is what we’re dealing with. This is why I am getting particularly pissed off with big media blowing this fucking whole thing out of proportion. It’s irresponsible, it’s dangerous.

So the CDC needs to do this. ObserverArt, take it away:

I’m just really glad that the cold I always come down with after work travel didn’t come till after I got home from TEXAS! (border town where those ISIS people are crossing with mega-diseases/), flying through DALLAS! If I’d been coughing on the plane, I’d probably be wrapped in either tinfoil or a hazmat suit until further notice.

238 goddamnedfrank  Oct 15, 2014 9:29:05pm

re: #233 Lidane

There are some great hospitals here if you can afford them. If you’re uninsured or poor, though? Good luck.

A couple of years ago we sent my half brother to live with his mother in Texas, he’s the massive alkie with cirrhosis. Man was that a mistake, we finally got him out of there and back up to Washington State, but trying to navigate the TX healthcare landscape was a fucking nightmare. Even after his social security disability kicked in the rampant unprofessionalism at most of the clinical options near him was just amazing. The State government is run by people who straight up just do not give a fuck.

239 psddluva4evah  Oct 15, 2014 9:30:30pm

ok. I’m off to bed now. I’ve got work in the morning.

BTW, if you were wondering we were told today in my lab that all testing on possible Ebola infected or suspect Ebola risk, will be tested entirely in the Microbiology lab because out of all of the labs we are the only ones equipped with the biosafety hoods and other biosafety equipment that the CDC requires any lab to have when manipulating these types of infectious specimens and because, as I said, we literally deal with infectious substances on a daily basis.

which means that yours truly may have handle these specimens if they come to NOLA.

So…good night.

240 WhatEVs  Oct 15, 2014 9:31:10pm

re: #210 lostlakehiker

Wow! All that negativity for an idea that generously exempts poor people from every burden of the law except the simple obligation to kind of sort of obey it.

You all really think they should be outright exempt? Or what? Anybody care to explain or even defend this attitude?

No, I think they should be fined for having a fucking sleepover.

Quit being an obtuse douchebag.

241 NJDhockeyfan  Oct 15, 2014 9:32:15pm

re: #231 Lidane

And again— the nurses at Presbyterian AREN’T UNIONIZED. It doesn’t matter what the union thinks in this situation. They don’t represent the nurses except in giving their side of the story.

The nurses union is speaking for all nurses, not just union nurses.

242 Rev_Arthur_Ebolaing  Oct 15, 2014 9:32:45pm

re: #239 psddluva4evah

ok. I’m off to bed now. I’ve got work in the morning.

BTW, if you were wondering we were told today in my lab that all testing on possible Ebola infected or suspect Ebola risk, will be tested entirely in the Microbiology lab because out of all of the labs we are the only ones equipped with the biosafety hoods and other biosafety equipment that the CDC requires any lab to have when manipulating these types of infectious specimens and because, as I said, we literally deal with infectious substances on a daily basis.

which means that yours truly may have handle these specimens if they come to NOLA.

So…good night.

Wait, you mean there’s a protocol?!? ///

(stay safe!)

243 Lidane  Oct 15, 2014 9:33:44pm

re: #238 goddamnedfrank

The State government is run by people who straight up just do not give a fuck.

Yep. Basically, if you show up in an ER here in Texas poor or without insurance, you’d better hope you’re busy bleeding to death so they’ll have a reason to do more than just hand you some painkillers and tell you sleep it off.

244 NJDhockeyfan  Oct 15, 2014 9:34:13pm
245 De Kolta Chair  Oct 15, 2014 9:35:10pm

re: #229 teleskiguy

Tweeted 24 hours ago.

This fucking asshole is a real piece of work.

No doubt that’s what the grand jury in Mississippi said.

246 Lidane  Oct 15, 2014 9:35:21pm

re: #241 NJDhockeyfan

The nurses union is speaking for all nurses, not just union nurses.

They can’t speak for the nurses in Dallas. Those nurses are expendable, because this is a right to work state and Presbyterian is a private hospital. Those nurses have given anonymous statements because they know they’ll get fired without a second thought otherwise.

247 Rev_Arthur_Ebolaing  Oct 15, 2014 9:35:26pm

re: #244 NJDhockeyfan

Nurses Call on Obama to Direct Hospitals to Follow Highest Standards for Beating Ebola

That is some serious bully pulpit bullshit there.

248 WhatEVs  Oct 15, 2014 9:35:44pm

Just got an email from CNN.

The second Dallas health care worker with Ebola was on a flight from Cleveland to Dallas on Monday — the day before she reported symptoms, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said today.

Because of the proximity in time between the Monday evening flight and the first report of her illness, the CDC wants to interview all 132 passengers on Frontier Airlines Flight 1143 from Cleveland to Dallas/Fort Worth, which landed at 8:16 p.m. CT Monday, the CDC said.

249 Dark_Falcon  Oct 15, 2014 9:39:24pm

re: #234 Lidane

OBUMMER NEEDS TO STAY OUT OF MAH HEALTH CARE!

*reads story about Ebola patient in Dallas*

WHY WON’T OBUMMER DO ANYTHING ABOUT MAH HEALTHCARE?!

Lather, rinse, repeat.

“Then it’s ‘Tommy this’ an’ ‘Tommy that’, an’ ‘Tommy, how’s your soul?’
“But it’s ‘Thin Red Line of ‘Eros’ when the drums begin to roll!
“The drums begin to roll my boys, the drums begin to roll,
“Oh, it’s “Thin Red Line of ‘Eros when the drums begin to roll!”

Rudyard Kipling, “Tommy”

Note: The ‘H’ in “Heros” is dropped in the original poem to approximate the British cockney accent.

250 CarleeCork  Oct 15, 2014 9:39:37pm

Why don’t we have a Surgeon General?

251 Lidane  Oct 15, 2014 9:41:24pm

re: #250 CarleeCork

Why don’t we have a Surgeon General?

Because according to the NRA, wanting to study gun violence is the functional equivalent of burning the Second Amendment to the ground because freedom. That’s why.

252 CarleeCork  Oct 15, 2014 9:41:33pm

Oh, I live in Highland Village Texas, I think I deserve an answer.

253 Romantic Heretic  Oct 15, 2014 9:41:57pm

re: #250 CarleeCork

Why don’t we have a Surgeon General?

Because having one is socialism! We can’t help Obama implement his nefarious plans.

254 CarleeCork  Oct 15, 2014 9:42:55pm

So, GUNS!

255 WhatEVs  Oct 15, 2014 9:43:03pm

re: #252 CarleeCork

Oh, I live in Highland Village Texas, I think I deserve an answer.

Speak with the elected Republicans. They’re blocking a qualified candidate.

256 De Kolta Chair  Oct 15, 2014 9:44:54pm

re: #250 CarleeCork

Why don’t we have a Surgeon General?

“Beats me, aaaayup.”

257 Lidane  Oct 15, 2014 9:45:47pm

re: #255 WhatEVs

Speak with the elected Republicans. They’re blocking a qualified candidate.

Everyone knows gun violence isn’t a public health issue! Obummer just wants to take mah gunz! MOLON LABE! ELEVENTY!

258 EPR-radar  Oct 15, 2014 9:45:57pm

re: #250 CarleeCork

Why don’t we have a Surgeon General?

Because DC has an infestation of GOP shit-weasels.

259 De Kolta Chair  Oct 15, 2014 9:46:56pm

re: #249 Dark_Falcon

Kipling’s “Barrack-Room Ballads” are very underrated imho. In fact, Kipling’s works in general is very underrated imho.

260 wheat-dogghazi-bola  Oct 15, 2014 9:47:25pm

Way OT, but I just caught a Bloomberg “exclusive interview” with Marc Andreessen at DreamTalk 2014. He sure does like to hear himself talk. The reporter Emily Chang noted Andreessen has voted Republican and wanted to hear his opinions about the GOP efforts to repeal the ACA. Andreessen then complained about how the Obama administration wasn’t marketing the ACA’s best feature — being able to switch employers easily — and then went on and on offering a windy example of someone switching jobs. My attention span quit after 2 minutes.

261 CarleeCork  Oct 15, 2014 9:48:40pm

re: #255 WhatEVs

Speak with the elected Republicans. They’re blocking a qualified candidate.

They don’t speak with anyone with less than eight figures in bank accounts, I don’t qualify. Thanks for playing!

262 Dark_Falcon  Oct 15, 2014 9:49:22pm

re: #256 De Kolta Chair

It’s also Harry Reid, to be fair. Since he got rid of the fillibuster for nominations he could have forced a vote on the nominee, but he didn’t want to push vulnerable Democrats up for reelection to cast an anti-gun vote.

263 gwangung  Oct 15, 2014 9:50:53pm

re: #262 Dark_Falcon

It’s also Harry Reid, to be fair. Since he got rid of the fillibuster for nominations he could have forced a vote on the nominee, but he didn’t want to push vulnerable Democrats up for reelection to cast an anti-gun vote.

Then now’s the time, Harry….fighting ebola is a pretty effective counter now, I think…

264 Rev_Arthur_Ebolaing  Oct 15, 2014 9:50:59pm

re: #262 Dark_Falcon

It’s also Harry Reid, to be fair. Since he got rid of the fillibuster for nominations he could have forced a vote on the nominee, but he didn’t want to push vulnerable Democrats up for reelection to cast an anti-gun vote.

I thought individual senators could still put a hold on a nomination?

265 Rev_Arthur_Ebolaing  Oct 15, 2014 9:51:44pm

re: #260 wheat-dogghazi

Way OT, but I just caught a Bloomberg “exclusive interview” with Marc Andreessen at DreamTalk 2014. He sure does like to hear himself talk. The reporter Emily Chang noted Andreessen has voted Republican and wanted to hear his opinions about the GOP efforts to repeal the ACA. Andreessen then complained about how the Obama administration wasn’t marketing the ACA’s best feature — being able to switch employers easily — and then went on and on offering a windy example of someone switching jobs. My attention span quit after 2 minutes.

Marc Andreesen is a known asshole from Silicon Valley. But I (generally) repeat myself there.

266 Jenner7  Oct 15, 2014 9:53:48pm

So, has CNN replaced all their programming with reality shows now? Seems like it. When I push the recall button on my remote, it actually says under CNN “reality tv”. Ha!

267 NJDhockeyfan  Oct 15, 2014 9:53:54pm

This is a great read

268 Dark_Falcon  Oct 15, 2014 9:55:41pm

re: #264 Rev_Arthur_Belling

I thought individual senators could still put a hold on a nomination?

They can but there’s limits on that. But Reid doesn’t want to put heat on Senators Landrieu, Hagan, and Pryor. For those three, a vote right now on the current Surgeon General nominee would be a loser: No matter which way they voted, or even if they didn’t vote on the nomination at all, their opponents would fault them for it.

269 De Kolta Chair  Oct 15, 2014 9:56:14pm

re: #260 wheat-dogghazi

Way OT, but I just caught a Bloomberg “exclusive interview” with Marc Andreessen at DreamTalk 2014. He sure does like to hear himself talk. My attention span quit after 2 minutes.

I think I caught Andreessen one time on Charlie Rose. Then again, I might have been staring at a blank wall. Gawd, what a dullard.

270 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Oct 15, 2014 9:57:42pm

From everything i am seeing and hearing the Presbyterian hospitals sound like they are pretty bad in gal. A friend of mine lost her infant daughter after the baby contracted MRSA while being treated for a cold at the local Presbyterian hospital. They ended up taking her to the good children’s hospital but there was nothing they could do.

271 Rev_Arthur_Ebolaing  Oct 15, 2014 10:03:53pm

re: #268 Dark_Falcon

They can but there’s limits on that. But Reid doesn’t want to put heat on Senators Landrieu, Hagan, and Pryor. For those three, a vote right now on the current Surgeon General nominee would be a loser: No matter which way they voted, or even if they didn’t vote on the nomination at all, their opponents would fault them for it.

I seriously doubt anyone votes for/against a Senator because of their vote on Surgeon General. Then again, people in your party are fucking idiots, so what do I know.

272 HappyWarrior  Oct 15, 2014 10:06:28pm

re: #268 Dark_Falcon

They can but there’s limits on that. But Reid doesn’t want to put heat on Senators Landrieu, Hagan, and Pryor. For those three, a vote right now on the current Surgeon General nominee would be a loser: No matter which way they voted, or even if they didn’t vote on the nomination at all, their opponents would fault them for it.

Doesn’t that say a lot about your party that they you know would fault Landrieu, Pryor, and Hagan regardless of who they voted for SG? I’m with Rev Belling, your party is filled with fucking idiots who are only opposed to ACA because Obama is the one who signed it into law.

273 Rev_Arthur_Ebolaing  Oct 15, 2014 10:09:17pm

re: #272 HappyWarrior

Doesn’t that say a lot about your party that they you know would fault Landrieu, Pryor, and Hagan regardless of who they voted for SG? I’m with Rev Belling, your party is filled with fucking idiots who are only opposed to ACA because Obama is the one who signed it into law.

Not to mention the ONLY reason there’s a “controversy” over the nominee is because of asshat conservatives. I’m amazed our government has been able to function at all with all the obstructionism over the last 6 years.

274 HappyWarrior  Oct 15, 2014 10:09:35pm

WHY ISN’T OBAMA DOING ENOUGH ON EBOLA? Says the party who holding up any SG nominee who doesn’t suck the NRA’s fat tit and that supports cuts to efforts that would go to eradicating it overseas. The GOP is nothing but a bunch of know nothing imbeciles when it comes to real issues effecting real people. It’s a damn shame that 45% of people will vote for them anyhow because of some stupid allegiance to team GOP when the GOP has shown the past six years that it only cares about one thing and that’s making Barack Obama an ineffective president- the rest of the country and world be damned.

275 HappyWarrior  Oct 15, 2014 10:10:17pm

re: #273 Rev_Arthur_Belling

Not to mention the ONLY reason there’s a “controversy” over the nominee is because of asshat conservatives. I’m amazed our government has been able to function at all with all the obstructionism over the last 6 years.

Same. I’m honestly amazed Obama’s gotten any nominees passed the senate when you got asshats like Paul, McConnell, Cruz, and countless others in that body.

276 wheat-dogghazi-bola  Oct 15, 2014 10:11:56pm

re: #269 De Kolta Chair

I think I caught Andreessen one time on Charlie Rose. Then again, I might have been staring at a blank wall. Gawd, what a dullard.

A good example of a man who is really good in one specific field, and should shut up about any other field.

277 Rev_Arthur_Ebolaing  Oct 15, 2014 10:12:01pm

re: #275 HappyWarrior

Same. I’m honestly amazed Obama’s gotten any nominees passed the senate when you got asshats like Paul, McConnell, Cruz, and countless others in that body.

Not only has he done that, but he’s lowered unemployment, caused the Dow to rise above 17,000 at one point AND brought gas below $3!

278 teleskiguy  Oct 15, 2014 10:13:19pm
279 HappyWarrior  Oct 15, 2014 10:13:52pm

re: #277 Rev_Arthur_Belling

Not only has he done that, but he’s lowered unemployment, caused the Dow to rise above 17,000 at one point AND brought gas below $3!

But but but he’s a Kenyan Socialist Nazi Muslim.//

280 wheat-dogghazi-bola  Oct 15, 2014 10:13:59pm

Hmmmm. It seems the Great Firewall of China is now blocking bbc.co.uk wholesale again.

281 HappyWarrior  Oct 15, 2014 10:14:12pm

re: #278 teleskiguy

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Hahahaha well played, well played.

282 De Kolta Chair  Oct 15, 2014 10:14:22pm

re: #276 wheat-dogghazi

A good example of a man who is really good in one specific field, and should shut up about any other field.

I feel the same way about several other folks, Edward O. Wilson for one. Stick to ants and lay off the politics, Ed!

But seriously, nobody knows or writes so well about ants like Wilson.

283 NJDhockeyfan  Oct 15, 2014 10:14:37pm

My 12 year old daughter got excited when she saw the Von Braun bust at the entrance of the rocket center in Alabama.

284 Rev_Arthur_Ebolaing  Oct 15, 2014 10:16:11pm

re: #282 De Kolta Chair

A good example of a man who is really good in one specific field, and should shut up about any other field.

I feel the same way about several other folks, Edward O. Wilson for one, Stick to ants, Ed!

Hell, I know a number of people who should STFU about *any* field. UpChuck, for one, Megan McCardle, Amity Schlaes (sp?), Ann Coulter …

I have a long list, actually.

285 Jenner7  Oct 15, 2014 10:19:58pm

haha

286 wheat-dogghazi-bola  Oct 15, 2014 10:20:39pm

re: #283 NJDhockeyfan

My 12 year old daughter got excited when she saw the Von Braun bust at the entrance of the rocket center in Alabama.

Does she know the lyrics to Tom Lehrer’s paean to Werner?

I caught a report on TV about a girl who’s so gung ho about being on a mission to Mars that she’s already preparing at age 15 (or so — I was busy in the kitchen at the time and not paying close attention). Your daughter’s got some competition in the space exploration field.

287 De Kolta Chair  Oct 15, 2014 10:21:10pm

re: #283 NJDhockeyfan

My 12 year old daughter got excited when she saw the Von Braun bust at the entrance of the rocket center in Alabama.

I can’t think of von Braun without thinking of these monstrosities. He should’ve been thrown into Spandau with his cronies and left to rot.

But good on your daughter for being into science!

288 wheat-dogghazi-bola  Oct 15, 2014 10:21:35pm

re: #284 Rev_Arthur_Belling

Hell, I know a number of people who should STFU about *any* field. UpChuck, for one, Megan McCardle, Amity Schlaes (sp?), Ann Coulter …

I have a long list, actually.

Pretty much anyone at the National Review.

289 EPR-radar  Oct 15, 2014 10:22:45pm

re: #287 De Kolta Chair

But there was a cold war to prosecute. The de-Nazification of Germany and the cleanup of occupied Japan were both heavily compromised by cold war considerations.

290 Rev_Arthur_Ebolaing  Oct 15, 2014 10:23:11pm

re: #287 De Kolta Chair

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I can’t think of Von Braun without thinking of these monstrosities. He should’ve been thrown in Spandau with the rest of his cronies.

I was actually about to post something about my conflicted feelings about Von Braun. I understand why we kept him on the payroll, but I’m queasy about making him into a hero.

Of course, he’s nothing compared to the Japanese doctors in charge of Unit 731. Check out the documentaries about that if you want to be sickened.

291 EPR-radar  Oct 15, 2014 10:23:28pm

re: #288 wheat-dogghazi

Pretty much anyone at the National Review.

Why stop there? I can’t remember the last time a RW pundit or politician had anything helpful to say.

292 HappyWarrior  Oct 15, 2014 10:24:06pm

re: #288 wheat-dogghazi

Pretty much anyone at the National Review.

NR’s high on my shitlist especially because they pretend to be the voice of “reasonable” and “intellectual” conservatism when in reality they’re nothing but a bunch of pseudointellectual racist bastards.

293 Rev_Arthur_Ebolaing  Oct 15, 2014 10:24:17pm

re: #291 EPR-radar

Why stop there? I can’t remember the last time a RW pundit or politician had anything helpful to say.

Jon Huntsman? Before he tried to run for pres.

294 goddamnedfrank  Oct 15, 2014 10:25:52pm

So this shit is kind of crazy. A police officer didn’t like a Ferguson protestor’s activism, so he called her work and spoke to her boss about it. In this video she calls the officer back:

Youtube Video

Best part, whe she says that she’s never said she’s against the police, but that she’s against police brutality, and he responds with “You’re entitled to your opinion.”

This guy needs to get fired. What he did was straight up police intimidation and retaliation against a citizen for exercising her right to free expression.

295 De Kolta Chair  Oct 15, 2014 10:26:00pm

re: #289 EPR-radar

But there was a cold war to prosecute. The de-Nazification of Germany and the cleanup of occupied Japan were both heavily compromised by cold war considerations.

True on a realpolitik level, but on a humanitarian level he should have been lined up against a wall and shot.

296 HappyWarrior  Oct 15, 2014 10:26:08pm

re: #291 EPR-radar

Why stop there? I can’t remember the last time a RW pundit or politician had anything helpful to say.

I’ve honestly never been that big on the right. I don’t know who I find myself more repulsed by- the so con whackjobs who think they can tell gay people, women, and others how to live their lives or the econ con nutjobs who want their selfishness to be our economic policy.

297 Dark_Falcon  Oct 15, 2014 10:26:56pm

re: #287 De Kolta Chair

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I can’t think of Von Braun without thinking of these monstrosities. He should’ve been thrown in Spandau with the rest of his cronies.

Not so much for the V-2s themselves, though, but rather for the horrible slave labor practices used to build them. Indiscriminate as the V-2 were, Germany and Braun cannot be faulted for their actual use without faulting US generals Spaatz and LeMay and British Air Marshal Harris. But the deaths of those who were worked to death building the V-2s could and morally should have been laid at Braun’s feet. But he had knowledge the US and UK needed, so he was essentially given a walk for mass murder.

298 BeachDem  Oct 15, 2014 10:26:56pm

re: #284 Rev_Arthur_Belling

Wonkette even has a coffee cup for Luke Russert

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299 Rev_Arthur_Ebolaing  Oct 15, 2014 10:28:07pm

re: #298 BeachDem

Wonkette even has a coffee cup for Luke Russert

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Oooh, I think I might have to order one of those!

300 EPR-radar  Oct 15, 2014 10:28:25pm

re: #295 De Kolta Chair

True on a realpolitik level, but on a humanitarian level he shot have been lined up against a wall and shot.

It’s a complicated mess, so I stated the facts without adding my opinion (for once).

301 Rev_Arthur_Ebolaing  Oct 15, 2014 10:29:50pm

re: #300 EPR-radar

It’s a complicated mess, so I stated the facts without adding my opinion (for once).

Yeah, I remember seeing a documentary about how the Soviets were pissed that we got to the rocket scientists before they did. Cold War is complicated.

302 EPR-radar  Oct 15, 2014 10:31:48pm

re: #294 goddamnedfrank

So this shit is kind of crazy. A police officer didn’t like a Ferguson protestor’s activism, so he called her work and spoke to her boss about it. In this video she calls the officer back:

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Best part, when he calls her Tweets insightful, and even though he obviously means inciting he can’t identify how. Also good is when she says that she’s never said she’s against the police, but that she’s against police brutality, and he responds with “You’re entitled to your opinion.”

This guy needs to get fired. What he did was straight up police intimidation and retaliation against a citizen for exercising her right to free expression.

This is what happens when local law enforcement is basically a way for flyspeck municipalities to raise revenue.

Some of these jerkwater towns are getting 40% of the city budget from traffic fines etc. That’s insanely unjust on its face.

303 sagehen  Oct 15, 2014 10:32:22pm

re: #222 NJDhockeyfan

I seriously doubt that. There is that whistleblower law. Besides the CDC has known about the Ebola outbreak for 4 months. Why haven’t they put in protocols yet or decent training? Some of the nurses said their training consisted of being told to watch videos about ebola on YouTube. It’s pathetic.

CDC has no enforcement powers until something is already an emergency they’re responding to; the only “preparation” they’re allowed to do for potential future emergencies is in house, and maybe put recommendations on their website.

It’s the Surgeon General (*not* an acting Surgeon General or an interim Surgeon General; only a for-real, confirmed, Surgeon General) who has authority to set policy, issue directives, institute requirements, etc.

304 wheat-dogghazi-bola  Oct 15, 2014 10:33:54pm

Voonce dey go up, who cares vere they come down?
Dat’s not my department! says Werner von Braun.

— Lyrics by Tom Lehrer
Youtube Video

305 De Kolta Chair  Oct 15, 2014 10:35:22pm

Night all. Off to the great unknown!

306 Rev_Arthur_Ebolaing  Oct 15, 2014 10:36:06pm

re: #304 wheat-dogghazi

Voonce dey go up, who cares vere they come down?
Dat’s not my department! says Werner von Braun.

— Lyrics by Tom Lehrer
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Video

I had never heard that before! Sorta reminds me of Randy Newman:

Youtube Video

307 NJDhockeyfan  Oct 15, 2014 10:36:58pm

re: #287 De Kolta Chair

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I can’t think of von Braun without thinking of these monstrosities. He should’ve been thrown into Spandau with his cronies and left to rot.

But good on your daughter for being into science!

She doesn’t know about his Nazi history. She just knows him as one of the fathers of rocketry. She is also a Homer Hickham fan.

She also got invited to take the ACT test in December. Not bad for a 7th grader.

308 Dark_Falcon  Oct 15, 2014 10:38:12pm

re: #305 De Kolta Chair

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Night all. Off to the great unknown!

Ditto for me. Good Night, All.

309 wheat-dogghazi-bola  Oct 15, 2014 10:38:26pm

re: #306 Rev_Arthur_Belling

I had never heard that before! Sorta reminds me of Randy Newman:

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I am pleased to introduce part of us oldtimers’ rich cultural heritage to another generation. Before Randy Newman, before Weird Al, there was Tom Lehrer.

310 De Kolta Chair  Oct 15, 2014 10:38:36pm

re: #307 NJDhockeyfan

She doesn’t know about his Nazi history. She just knows him as one of the fathers of rocketry. She is also a Homer Hickham fan.

She also got invited to take the ACT test in December. Not bad for a 7th grader.

Not bad at all. ;-)

311 wheat-dogghazi-bola  Oct 15, 2014 10:39:23pm

re: #307 NJDhockeyfan

She doesn’t know about his Nazi history. She just knows him as one of the fathers of rocketry. She is also a Homer Hickham fan.

She also got invited to take the ACT test in December. Not bad for a 7th grader.

Cool! You got a smart cookie there.

312 Rev_Arthur_Ebolaing  Oct 15, 2014 10:42:36pm

re: #307 NJDhockeyfan

She also got invited to take the ACT test in December. Not bad for a 7th grader.

Congrats. I had no idea they did that.

313 sagehen  Oct 15, 2014 10:45:18pm

re: #259 De Kolta Chair

Kipling’s “Barrack-Room Ballads” are very underrated imho. In fact, Kipling’s works in general is very underrated imho.

The only one I have memorized is

If any question why we died
Tell them, because our fathers lied

(epitaph on Kipling Jr’s tombstone)

314 Rev_Arthur_Ebolaing  Oct 15, 2014 10:45:59pm

Guess I’m off to consort with the dreams as well. Last one out turn off the lights!

315 teleskiguy  Oct 15, 2014 10:50:28pm

Pigmeat Markham, putting out arguably the first rap record (with courtroom skit).

Youtube Video

316 NJDhockeyfan  Oct 15, 2014 10:51:51pm

re: #312 Rev_Arthur_Belling

Congrats. I had no idea they did that.

Students that scored over 95 on the final big test in 6th grade (I forget the name of it) are invited. It’s the same ACT test high school seniors take which she will be taking at the same time as them. .

317 TedStriker  Oct 15, 2014 10:53:20pm

re: #316 NJDhockeyfan

Students that scored over 95 on the final big test in 6th grade (I forget the name of it) are invited. It’s the same ACT test high school seniors take which she will be taking at the same time as them. .

The TCAP?

318 NJDhockeyfan  Oct 15, 2014 10:53:52pm

re: #311 wheat-dogghazi

Cool! You got a smart cookie there.

She gets straight A’s with ease. I don’t know how she does it.

319 sagehen  Oct 15, 2014 10:56:38pm

re: #291 EPR-radar

Why stop there? I can’t remember the last time a RW pundit or politician had anything helpful to say.

Bruce Bartlett, but only on economics. Any other topic, he’s as whacked as the rest of them.

Do we count Radley Balko as RW? He’s supposedly libertarian, and he’s usually excellent on criminal justice issues — cops, courts, prisons… but I can’t remember if he’s maybe smart enough to bite his tongue on other matters.

320 NJDhockeyfan  Oct 15, 2014 11:02:19pm

re: #317 TedStriker

The TCAP?

ACT college readiness assessment. Her invite is sponsored by Duke University for a talent search. Her score could help her get in advance classes and help toward scholarship offers.

321 NJDhockeyfan  Oct 15, 2014 11:05:36pm

Heading to bed. See ya in the morning.

322 dog philosopher  Oct 15, 2014 11:37:59pm

Ebola Stricken Nurse will be playing at The Panic oct 30 - nov 3

323 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Oct 16, 2014 12:25:36am

I’m pretty much amazed at the carelessness with which the American officials are handling Ebola. Nurses that should have been quarantined in the first place (regardless of symptoms) are flying around the country. WTF?

324 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Oct 16, 2014 1:12:53am

re: #287 De Kolta Chair

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I can’t think of von Braun without thinking of these monstrosities. He should’ve been thrown into Spandau with his cronies and left to rot.

But good on your daughter for being into science!

My girlfriend’s granddad also got US citizenship after WWII by virtue of his work in German military engineering.

325 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Oct 16, 2014 1:16:55am

re: #323 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

I’m pretty much amazed at the carelessness with which the American officials are handling Ebola. Nurses that should have been quarantined in the first place (regardless of symptoms) are flying around the country. WTF?

A health care industry that is run for short-term profit turns out to be expensive in the long run

326 Bubblehead II  Oct 16, 2014 3:02:29am

Flips lights on, kicks garbage can down the isle.

Morning Lizards!

327 William Barnett-Lewis  Oct 16, 2014 3:28:31am

re: #326 Bubblehead II

Flips lights on, kicks garbage can down the isle.

Morning Lizards!

Now that gave me a flashback to ft Knox. ..

328 Bubblehead II  Oct 16, 2014 3:31:20am

re: #327 William Barnett-Lewis

Now that gave me a flashback to ft Knox. ..

1980. Worm Island, RTC San Diego.

329 goddamnedfrank  Oct 16, 2014 3:45:27am

Also Christ posted a copy of his signed agreement, on which he’d apparently penciled in an exception for a fan. With that one stunt Rick Scott proved what a petty, pedantic goddamned fool he is.

330 Dr. Matt  Oct 16, 2014 4:24:37am

re: #187 Dark_Falcon

Yes, but not as much since I don’t live in Texas. But mostly I just want there to be clarity so appropriate action can be taken. I’m not interested in playing ‘Gotcha!’ with this one: Ebola is far too dangerous for that sort of shit to be tolerable.

And yet the first thing you do is blame the CDC and never mention the mistakes at the source, i.e., the private hospital in a highly conservative state. “gotcha”. Derp.

331 Dr. Matt  Oct 16, 2014 4:27:03am

re: #329 goddamnedfrank

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Also Christ posted a copy of his signed agreement, on which he’d apparently penciled in an exception for a fan. With that one stunt Rick Scott proved what a petty, pedantic goddamned fool he is.

Can’t wait for the librul MSM to step up and run to Rick Scott’s defense.

332 Dr. Matt  Oct 16, 2014 4:31:10am
333 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Oct 16, 2014 4:46:56am

re: #329 goddamnedfrank

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Also Christ posted a copy of his signed agreement, on which he’d apparently penciled in an exception for a fan. With that one stunt Rick Scott proved what a petty, pedantic goddamned fool he is.

Well, the SCOTUS pretty much penciled in an exemption to Separation of Church in State for Hobby Lobby…

334 Decatur Deb  Oct 16, 2014 4:50:52am

re: #252 CarleeCork

Oh, I live in Highland Village Texas, I think I deserve an answer.

That answer is best supplied by your senators….oh…never mind.

335 Dr. Matt  Oct 16, 2014 5:01:17am

Seems like yesterday…….

336 Dark_Falcon  Oct 16, 2014 5:15:04am

re: #330 Dr. Matt

And yet the first thing you do is blame the CDC and never mention the mistakes at the source, i.e., the private hospital in a highly conservative state. “gotcha”. Derp.

Not what I was trying to do. The topic of the thread was on the CDC, and I wasn’t aware at the time of the full scope of the hospital’s errors. If in so posting I came across in error, I’m sorry for having done so.

BBT

337 Targetpractice  Oct 16, 2014 5:30:53am

*sigh* That moment when you realize that hours of gameplay towards an achievement are down the drain because you screwed up all the way back at the beginning. Oh well, guess I’ll play onward.

338 ObserverArt  Oct 16, 2014 5:43:15am

Morning all.

Wow, did anyone catch the nurse from Dallas Presbyterian hospital on the NBC Today show?

It was very chilling.

2 things she talked about that really stood out.

The original patient was kept in what sounded like a small IC unit with 7 other patients in proximity.

The items being used on the patient when discarded were thrown into a trash container in the hospital hallway where it was left for hours.

I’m no infectious disease specialist at a major hospital, but even if you have just watched some movies or TV shows you’d know better than to do some of the things she was talking about.

And sadly, she is extremely worried she will lose her job by coming out and making this all known.

Truly a screwed up bad situation.

Freaking Texas. I guess that kind of casual awareness about deadly things should be expected in a state with the hatred they have for government agencies like the EPA and a right to work policy that flies in the face of unions.

Hopefully America is getting a frightening lesson enough to start to pay a bit more attention how important government oversight can be.

And hopefully they take some of what they are learning to the polling places this November when they vote.

339 Dr. Matt  Oct 16, 2014 5:46:36am

re: #338 ObserverArt

Freaking Texas. I guess that kind of casual awareness about deadly things should be expected in a state with the hatred they have for government agencies like the EPA and a right to work policy that flies in the face of unions.

340 Targetpractice  Oct 16, 2014 5:51:03am

re: #339 Dr. Matt

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Of course not, because doing so would be to go against the “free market,” private healthcare, state governments being supreme authorities, and the idea that businesses will put the safety of their customers over their profits. In other words, to fault anybody but the Feds for this clusterfuck would be to disparage everything they hold dear.

341 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Oct 16, 2014 5:51:03am

re: #339 Dr. Matt

Conservatives/MSM refuse to hold the Hospital accountable, the City/County Health Dept, or the State of Texas Health Department.]

no, because they have to hold Obama accountable for every bad thing that happens

342 Targetpractice  Oct 16, 2014 5:56:23am

Hell, back days ago when the first word got out that the hospital sent Duncan home during the first ER visit, despite his saying he was from Liberia, one wingnut I spoke with didn’t wait five minutes before bleating “Maybe the ACA had something to do with it!”

343 ObserverArt  Oct 16, 2014 5:57:42am

I know Wendy Davis is not doing real well in her Texas run for Governor, but I think if I was her campaign staff I’d be working this Ebola case and its handling into a nice tight little package of how it does all relate to Texas attitude about agencies like the EPA, unions, Women’s healthcare issues, etc. and how the Governor of the State is very important if they want to see some real concern and change.

344 Decatur Deb  Oct 16, 2014 5:58:31am

re: #338 ObserverArt

Morning all.

Wow, did anyone catch the nurse from Dallas Presbyterian hospital on the NBC Today show?

It was very chilling.

2 things she talked about that really stood out.

The original patient was kept in what sounded like a small IC unit with 7 other patients in proximity.

The items being used on the patient when discarded were thrown into a trash container in the hospital hallway where it was left for hours.

I’m no infectious disease specialist at a major hospital, but even if you have just watched some movies or TV shows you’d know better than to do some of the things she was talking about.

And sadly, she is extremely worried she will lose her job by coming out and making this all known.

Truly a screwed up bad situation.

Freaking Texas. I guess that kind of casual awareness about deadly things should be expected in a state with the hatred they have for government agencies like the EPA and a right to work policy that flies in the face of unions.

Hopefully America is getting a frightening lesson enough to start to pay a bit more attention how important government oversight can be.

And hopefully they take some of what they are learning to the polling places this November when they vote.

In its wisdom, the hospital has created a situation where losing a nursing job starts to look like a good thing.

345 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Oct 16, 2014 5:58:46am

re: #343 ObserverArt

Fox spin: “Wendy Davis Politicizes Ebola Threat”

346 Sionainn  Oct 16, 2014 5:59:04am

I’m listening to a clip on Fox news.com where Ben Carson is speaking about Ebola. Ugh. Ugh. Ugh.

347 Decatur Deb  Oct 16, 2014 6:00:38am

re: #346 Sionainn

I’m listening to a clip on Fox news.com where Ben Carson is speaking about Ebola. Ugh. Ugh. Ugh.

Signed a petition asking Dr. Carson to run for president last week. Can’t send out a clown car without a medic on board.

348 Sionainn  Oct 16, 2014 6:01:38am

re: #347 Decatur Deb

Signed a petition asking Dr. Carson to run for president last week. Can’t send out a clown car without a medic on board.

LOL.

349 A Mom Anon  Oct 16, 2014 6:02:27am

re: #27 A Mom Anon

And yes, I know Robin Cook is a doctor, but the fact remains he wrote a fictional book called “Outbreak” which CNN/Don Lemon then used as their go to source for a story about Ebola. And called it a “definitive work” on the subject. No. Not when there are so many more people to choose from. How about folks from Emory Hospital in Atlanta? They seem to have some good protocols in place. What about a virologist? Maybe a person with infectious disease as their specialty, someone with current education about the latest science? Instead they have a guy on who wrote a book that was made into a movie that’s a fictional account of something that didn’t happen based loosely on some basic factual information. And it wasn’t like this book was written a recently, it was published nearly 30 years ago. I’m thinking we might know a tad more now than in 1987.

I blame the media for much of this mess as much as I do anyone else in this whole fucking tragedy of errors. This fearmongering is going to get people killed. Someone’s going to take a shot at a house where they fear a patient is living, or some other stupid move. And now since the mistrust of the government has gone to epidemic levels, actual experts from the CDC and other health agencies are going to have a hell of a time calming fears.

350 Lidane  Oct 16, 2014 6:02:34am
351 ObserverArt  Oct 16, 2014 6:03:38am

re: #345 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Fox spin: “Wendy Davis Politicizes Ebola Threat”

Sadly true. But you know some times you just have to say Fuck Fox News!

And really what does Davis have to lose? At some point people in Texas, especially the women, are going to take this health scare thing very serious and forget about the politics and get real. Ebola should be able to help that process along.

352 Romantic Heretic  Oct 16, 2014 6:05:48am

One of my friends on Facebook linked to a CBS article where that asked the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons about Ebola. They of course told CBS that Ebola might be airborne.

CBS reported it as if they weren’t a bunch of nutbars.

353 ObserverArt  Oct 16, 2014 6:06:38am

re: #344 Decatur Deb

In its wisdom, the hospital has created a situation where losing a nursing job starts to look like a good thing.

Except like she was saying…she is two paychecks away from not paying the mortgage.

I’m a big softy when I hear stuff like that. I guess it is the old been there thing.

And with some of the stubborn thinking in Texas, I wonder if she could find a job anywhere, or would she be labeled a risk for being a snitch on business.

It is Texas. They seem to do things in a Texas way.

354 Decatur Deb  Oct 16, 2014 6:07:15am

re: #348 Sionainn

LOL.

The dynamic of his support was fascinating. We were at a little street fair in the tiny seat of a rural AL county. The “Draft Dr. Carson” people had a booth with permanent manning, distributing a full-color, slick-cover, 20-page pamphlet. Somebody (well hidden) is dumping a pile of money into this subterfuge.

The crazy emails should be worth the sign-up.

355 ObserverArt  Oct 16, 2014 6:07:42am

re: #347 Decatur Deb

Signed a petition asking Dr. Carson to run for president last week. Can’t send out a clown car without a medic on board.

Zing!!!

356 Rightwingconspirator  Oct 16, 2014 6:07:44am

BREAKING NEWS: LAUSD Superintendent Deasy expected to step down.

The status quo has gotten rid of the little whisper of reform that stepped up. Los Angeles parents weep, and not with joy. LAUSD is a national embarrassment.

Deasy’s resignation after three years as superintendent brings to an end a volatile but productive period in the district with his tenure marked by dramatic improvement in student academic measures yet traumatic developments in programs undertaken by his administration, all at a time budget restraints have limited the district’s ability to support more personnel and programs.

He has made no secret of his growing frustrations with a board that has often been at odds with his approach to public education, more so since the school board elections of 2013 and last August reduced the number of members who supported his vision.

That vision — the belief that quality public education is a civil right — came to include his championing of a program to deliver an iPad to every district student. More than anything else, problems with the iPad distribution came to symbolize the collision between vision and reality, starting a drumbeat for his dismissal.

Nor was he helped by testy relations with the teachers union, UTLA, which has been a steady critic from the start of his tenure, most recently over his unwillingness or inability to raise teacher salaries to levels they are seeking in negotiations for a new contract.

357 Lidane  Oct 16, 2014 6:11:25am

re: #352 Romantic Heretic

One of my friends on Facebook linked to a CBS article where that asked the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons about Ebola. They of course told CBS that Ebola might be airborne.

CBS reported it as if they weren’t a bunch of nutbars.

A friend of mine posted some Breitbart derp about Ebola being airborne. Luckily a bunch of other people told her that Breitbart was full of shit before I got there, but I repeated the point anyway.

358 darthstar  Oct 16, 2014 6:14:36am
359 darthstar  Oct 16, 2014 6:15:28am

Oh yeah…the Giants won…again.

360 Targetpractice  Oct 16, 2014 6:15:32am

Yeah, I went back and forth with a wingnut over his interpretation of a study into the possibility of Ebola passing in aerosol form between pigs and monkeys. Despite pointing out that even the study he was passing around stated that there was nothing conclusive in it with respect to such transmission amongst apes, he still insisted that it was proof that Ebola was airborne.

I can only assume that the need to believe that Ebola is airborne amongst wingnuts has to do with a combination of distrust of the government and desire to believe that the President has endangered this nation by not being as bugfuck insane as they are.

361 darthstar  Oct 16, 2014 6:15:50am

Mornin’ everyone.

362 Rightwingconspirator  Oct 16, 2014 6:19:03am

re: #360 Targetpractice

It’s also about the upcoming flu season… Lot of symptoms, germ phobia and a ripe moment for Ebola truthers. Click bait time.

363 Lidane  Oct 16, 2014 6:21:20am
364 Targetpractice  Oct 16, 2014 6:22:12am

re: #362 Rightwingconspirator

It’s also about the upcoming flu season… Lot of symptoms, germ phobia and a ripe moment for Ebola truthers. Click bait time.

I’d believe that, if most of the truthers I’ve run into hadn’t started screaming months ago that “illegals” were going to bring Ebola into the country. Whether consciously or not, they see this as their opportunity to argue immigration on grounds favorable to their position.

365 darthstar  Oct 16, 2014 6:22:40am
366 darthstar  Oct 16, 2014 6:24:28am
367 Targetpractice  Oct 16, 2014 6:25:03am

re: #366 darthstar

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368 RealityBasedEbola  Oct 16, 2014 6:25:34am

My Urban Dictionary word of the day today is

ebola-head

somebody with ebola; or an insult for a person who gets somebody worked-up (used by students in my school)

My dad is an ebola-head because he installed spy software on my laptop!

369 Feline Fearless Leader  Oct 16, 2014 6:26:01am

re: #264 Rev_Arthur_Belling

I thought individual senators could still put a hold on a nomination?

Don’t worry. All those rules will go out the window in the next Congress.

When the GOP has the Senate majority.

370 Rightwingconspirator  Oct 16, 2014 6:27:09am

re: #366 darthstar

Just amazing what a 20 hour per week part time economy can do.

371 Schadenboner  Oct 16, 2014 6:27:29am

re: #365 darthstar

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372 Feline Fearless Leader  Oct 16, 2014 6:27:31am

re: #268 Dark_Falcon

They can but there’s limits on that. But Reid doesn’t want to put heat on Senators Landrieu, Hagan, and Pryor. For those three, a vote right now on the current Surgeon General nominee would be a loser: No matter which way they voted, or even if they didn’t vote on the nomination at all, their opponents would fault them for it.

Maybe they should be tossed then. They were elected to go to Washington to do a job and act in the interests of the country and their constituents - not what is best for their party and political career.

373 darthstar  Oct 16, 2014 6:28:14am

re: #371 Schadenboner

All of my (+)s, here, take them

It had to be done.

374 Lidane  Oct 16, 2014 6:28:47am
375 Targetpractice  Oct 16, 2014 6:29:51am

re: #370 Rightwingconspirator

Just amazing what a 20 hour per week part time economy can do.

To quote my grandmother, “A job’s a job.” If we want to get people off 20 hrs and onto full-time jobs, then we need to get out there and vote next month to ensure Democrats can bring up minimum wage increases again and again. Expecting Republicans to see the need for higher wages that don’t come due to the “generosity” of “job creators” is like expecting a pig to understand that shitting where it eats is not healthy for it.

376 Vogon Poetry  Oct 16, 2014 6:37:03am

All over right wing sites, who are claiming that Obama lost Ebola (or cause it to spread, and panic is behind the GOP calls to stop flights to Africa).

But when you unpack the demands that the Administration stop flights coming in or out of Africa, or banning people w/visas from coming to the US from West Africa, they ignore that we now have an outbreak cluster here in the US - and that the same bans would apply using the GOP logic.

If there’s a chance that the disease spreads by people taking flights, then the prudent course of action is to stop flights to/from Dallas or Texas generally. Because that’s the only way to contain the risk (one of the motivations for the bans).

But they wont extend the logic in this way, because it exposes the reality that this is because Africans are dying of Ebola, they don’t want any Africans coming here, even though we’ve got one case - and it’s someone who didn’t exhibit any symptoms on the flight.

The Vinson case highlights the problems with using fever as an indicator of illness. She didn’t have a fever within the usual parameters for Ebola, so the CDC apparently let her fly after she contacted them. At the other end, you’d have people who are stopped from flying even though the higher fever doesn’t indicate anything relating to Ebola.

The best indication that someone might be a carrier of Ebola is that they’ve come into direct contact with someone who has the disease. As such, anyone delivering care to Ebola patients, or who has come from West African countries should be closely screened and monitored to avoid spreading the disease even inadvertently.

It also falls on to the hospitals to do a better job at infection control. All evidence points to massive failures at Texas Presbyterian because they took the cheap way out - and instead of treating the case as a likely Ebola case, decided to wait until blood tests returned a definitive case. The added cost of Ebola infection control may have been the deciding factor, rather than keeping everyone coming into contact with Duncan from unnecessary exposure. And it also points to failures of the Texas Department of Health from doing their job in making sure that infection control was a top priority - meaning that if there was a suspected case that they treat it as such until ruled out - not using less secure means until confirmed.

The hospital may try to shift the blame elsewhere - as on to the nursing staff themselves, but that’s a strategy likely to backfire as nurses are the ones who keep hospitals running. They’re the primary caregivers and come into contact with patients more than any other staff. People are going to notice what the hospitals are doing too, and that this all rings of hospitals putting the cost ahead of patient and employee safety.

377 Varek Raith  Oct 16, 2014 6:40:50am

SMALL GOVERNMENT!
STARVE THE BEAST!
CUT SPENDING!111

ebola

WHERE’S THE GOVERNMENT?!?!
WHY WERE THEY UNPREPARED?!?!

Congrats, this is what small government and across the board cuts get you.

378 Aunty Entity Dragon  Oct 16, 2014 6:42:13am

re: #14 psddluva4evah

If hospital staff are going to be quaranteened to that degree for doing their jobs…you are going to run out of hospital staff. They will quit and find another employer, since medicine is one of the only industries in America where you can still walk away from a job at will and have a good chance of getting picked up somewhere else quickly.

379 Rightwingconspirator  Oct 16, 2014 6:42:15am

re: #375 Targetpractice

To quote my grandmother, “A job’s a job.” If we want to get people off 20 hrs and onto full-time jobs, then we need to get out there and vote next month to ensure Democrats can bring up minimum wage increases again and again. Expecting Republicans to see the need for higher wages that don’t come due to the “generosity” of “job creators” is like expecting a pig to understand that shitting where it eats is not healthy for it.

Hmm. Maybe I’m wrong. IMO-This economy can’t recover at any minimum wage number whatsoever. Not as long as so many good jobs are sent elsewhere. That issue is far more useful for votes than GDP.

380 Varek Raith  Oct 16, 2014 6:42:24am

re: #337 Targetpractice

*sigh* That moment when you realize that hours of gameplay towards an achievement are down the drain because you screwed up all the way back at the beginning. Oh well, guess I’ll play onward.

What game?

381 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Oct 16, 2014 6:44:26am

re: #379 Rightwingconspirator

. Not as long as so many good jobs are sent elsewhere. That issue is far more useful for votes than GDP.

The GOP is the party of sending jobs elsewhere.

382 Targetpractice  Oct 16, 2014 6:44:26am

re: #376 lawhawk

Still think it absolutely ridiculous to believe that if we’d acted months ago to bar all travelers from Africa from entering the US, we’d have kept the disease out. Even if we bar the direct flights, there’s thousands to tens of thousands that are non-direct flights. Barring every single one of those flights or trusting dozens of governments to bar those passengers in our place would simply not happen.

And that ignores the overall reality that a disease does not stay out of the US simply because we close our borders. Travelers goes to West Africa, contracts Ebola, then travels to Belgium where he’s barred entry to the US. Gets sick and spreads infection to others before he dies. One of those persons travels to the US and spreads infection because they didn’t travel from West Africa and thus were not subject to the ban.

As we were discussing yesterday with World War Z, a plague does not stop just because we will it to do so. And living in denial that it can ever get here just makes the damage worse when it slips past all our defenses. I rather imagine that denial was a large part of the reason why Presbyterian’s administration acted like total morons before the tests came back positive.

383 darthstar  Oct 16, 2014 6:44:50am

re: #380 Varek Raith

What game?

Global Thermonuclear War.

384 Varek Raith  Oct 16, 2014 6:45:41am

This play though of Alien Isolation is amusing.
Youtube Video

385 Targetpractice  Oct 16, 2014 6:45:46am

re: #380 Varek Raith

What game?

Deus Ex: Human Revolution. Was going for the Pacifist achievement, only to realize that the game counts the prologue against the achievement. Plenty other achievements I can work on.

386 Varek Raith  Oct 16, 2014 6:46:57am

re: #385 Targetpractice

Deus Ex: Human Revolution. Was going for the Pacifist achievement, only to realize that the game counts the prologue against the achievement. Plenty other achievements I can work on.

Heh.
I did the same.
All that work and bam!
CRAP!

387 NJDhockeyfan  Oct 16, 2014 6:47:11am
388 Targetpractice  Oct 16, 2014 6:47:49am

re: #379 Rightwingconspirator

Hmm. Maybe I’m wrong. IMO-This economy can’t recover at any minimum wage number whatsoever. Not as long as so many good jobs are sent elsewhere. That issue is far more useful for votes than GDP.

Our economy is running on a lean mixture for years now, which is why recovery has been slow and why so many jobs have been part-time. You can’t build a supply & demand economy when there is no demand and it takes money for that demand to exist.

389 darthstar  Oct 16, 2014 6:48:59am
390 Targetpractice  Oct 16, 2014 6:49:10am

re: #386 Varek Raith

Heh.
I did the same.
All that work and bam!
CRAP!

I’m almost through the first run of Detroit and it just occurred to me that stealth was an option in the prologue. Or rather it occurred to me as I was watching a Let’s Play. Crap.

391 Decatur Deb  Oct 16, 2014 6:49:39am

re: #385 Targetpractice

re: #386 Varek Raith

Civ4 at emperor level satisfies all my game-losing needs.

392 darthstar  Oct 16, 2014 6:49:47am

re: #387 NJDhockeyfan

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Translation: Slight fever with diarrhea.

393 Vogon Poetry  Oct 16, 2014 6:49:59am

re: #382 Targetpractice

The Mrs. raised the World War Z comparisons to Ebola as well. The parallels are striking. North Korean leader disappears. Experts don’t believe the evidence in front of them. Panic. Media hype.

Media hype over treatments (like the “magic” blood treatments, which are convalescent serum therapy that might not even work), or ZMapp, which are untested and are being thrown at the disease in an attempt to find something that works.

Meanwhile, the disease continues a slow but inexorable spread because basic infection control protocols aren’t followed at hospitals where these things are easily accomplished (as say in the US or Europe), and where the health infrastructure was already in poor shape in Africa and only getting worse because it’s hitting the health care workers who are trying to combat the disease at the source.

But there is good news - Nigeria was able to contain the outbreak there, which like in Dallas, was the result of a person flying into the country and developing symptoms thereafter.

The problem in the US and Europe is that we’re a much more mobile society, so we have the potential to spread the disease much more widely than someone in Africa, who is unlikely to come into contact with outsiders.

394 darthstar  Oct 16, 2014 6:52:46am

Canada trolling the US epically.

395 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Oct 16, 2014 6:53:11am

re: #382 Targetpractice

Still think it absolutely ridiculous to believe that if we’d acted months ago to bar all travelers from Africa from entering the US, we’d have kept the disease out.

If we had started acting years ago and helped Africa build, equip and staff more hospitals and clinics, then the disease might not have spread to the point that it threatens our shores.

And the cost would still have been a fraction of what we will wind up spending on containment and treatment here.

But that would have involved giving FREE STUFF to brown-skinned people, and that is not popular with a lot of politicians and their constituencies.

396 Vogon Poetry  Oct 16, 2014 6:54:15am

re: #387 NJDhockeyfan

Patient with Ebola-like symptoms can be anything from Influenza to malaria, to yes, Ebola. We’ll be seeing lots of these cases, especially as influenza season starts in earnest.

Best to use proper precautions for infection control until Ebola is ruled out.

397 Decatur Deb  Oct 16, 2014 6:57:08am

re: #396 lawhawk

Patient with Ebola-like symptoms can be anything from Influenza to malaria, to yes, Ebola. We’ll be seeing lots of these cases, especially as influenza season starts in earnest.

Best to use proper precautions for infection control until Ebola is ruled out.

Or y’all could do it the Texas way.

398 Targetpractice  Oct 16, 2014 6:58:32am

re: #393 lawhawk

One of the things we’ve not seen yet, for which I am still supremely grateful, is that there has not been a mass exodus from Africa to other nations. The efforts to treat the disease there, even if they are drops in the bucket compared to what could be brought to bear, are still managing to keep things isolated for the most part. That we’ve only had the single person enter the US while sick since the initial outbreak should be seen as triumph in itself, though tempered with the reality that many of those getting sick simply don’t have the means to travel here.

399 Vogon Poetry  Oct 16, 2014 6:59:53am

re: #397 Decatur Deb

Hoft was at it calling for flight bans from Africa.

I said, if we’re following the logic of flight bans for areas with outbreaks of Ebola, then we need to ban flights with Texas (and Spain, Greece, etc.).

Can’t imagine that will go over well, but since it’s Africa, right wingers figure that the ban is acceptable. They can’t identify why Texas is different than an outbreak in Africa. It’s not controlled in Texas (the additional cases are proof).

400 Dr. Matt  Oct 16, 2014 7:01:32am

Has this started yet? EBOLA IS OBAMA’S KATRINA!!!!

401 Vogon Poetry  Oct 16, 2014 7:01:58am

re: #398 Targetpractice

Yeah, let the hysteria and panic drive this. Drudge is doing his part.

Would you like to know more?/

402 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Oct 16, 2014 7:02:12am

re: #400 Dr. Matt

Has this started yet? EBOLA IS OBAMA’S BENGHAZITRINA!!!!

403 Decatur Deb  Oct 16, 2014 7:03:05am

re: #399 lawhawk

Hoft was at it calling for flight bans from Africa.

I said, if we’re following the logic of flight bans for areas with outbreaks of Ebola, then we need to ban flights with Texas (and Spain, Greece, etc.).

Can’t imagine that will go over well, but since it’s Africa, right wingers figure that the ban is acceptable. They can’t identify why Texas is different than an outbreak in Africa. It’s not controlled in Texas (the additional cases are proof).

The obvious answer is to send our unwanted used plastic shopping bags to Liberia, where the suicidally brave med teams can put them to good use:

Image: ebola-13.jpg

Always solve a problem with a problem.

404 Lidane  Oct 16, 2014 7:05:40am
405 Varek Raith  Oct 16, 2014 7:11:52am

re: #391 Decatur Deb

Civ4 at emperor level satisfies all my game-losing needs.

Love that game.

406 danarchy  Oct 16, 2014 7:12:48am

talk about panic, sheesh

Cleveland schools freak out

407 Varek Raith  Oct 16, 2014 7:13:05am

re: #405 Varek Raith

Love that game.

Common response from me;
WTF, Gandhi?

408 Decatur Deb  Oct 16, 2014 7:13:38am

re: #405 Varek Raith

Love that game.

Since I installed it in front of my exercise bike I haven’t cut a day, and more than doubled my endurance. Some days I can lose two games in one exercise session.

409 Dr. Matt  Oct 16, 2014 7:14:29am

re: #406 danarchy

talk about panic, sheesh

Cleveland schools freak out

Would have been nice if Presbyterian Hospital responded in a similar fashion.

410 Targetpractice  Oct 16, 2014 7:14:47am

re: #405 Varek Raith

Love that game.

More a Civ V guy myself. More challenging in a lot of ways, especially with Brave New World.

411 Decatur Deb  Oct 16, 2014 7:15:44am

re: #406 danarchy

talk about panic, sheesh

Cleveland schools freak out

Texas. Excess of caution perhaps, but a school can always use a cleaning.

3 Central Texas schools cancel classes over Ebola concerns

khou.com

412 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Oct 16, 2014 7:16:09am

re: #406 danarchy

talk about panic, sheesh

Cleveland schools freak out

but when a person showed up with a fever and states that he has just come from West Africa, nobody bat an eyelash.

“A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky dangerous animals and you know it. “

413 Decatur Deb  Oct 16, 2014 7:17:10am

re: #410 Targetpractice

More a Civ V guy myself. More challenging in a lot of ways, especially with Brave New World.

Installed it on Steam under Linux, but can’t get it to really play. It runs well enough to show I don’t like the look/feel.

414 Varek Raith  Oct 16, 2014 7:18:16am

415 Decatur Deb  Oct 16, 2014 7:20:20am

re: #414 Varek Raith

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Tried playing Civ4 as “Bad Gandhi” for a while, but it didn’t really work. Loved those Fast Workers, though.

416 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Oct 16, 2014 7:21:10am

re: #414 Varek Raith

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you mean like Gandhi 2?

417 Varek Raith  Oct 16, 2014 7:23:44am

For those who don’t know, Gandhi in the civ series can be a total ass.
Funny AI he has.

418 Dr. Matt  Oct 16, 2014 7:24:10am

Rick Scott responds to #fangate using Palinese:

Youtube Video

419 Lidane  Oct 16, 2014 7:24:13am
420 Targetpractice  Oct 16, 2014 7:25:02am

Yeah, apparently Gandhi’s whole bit is a bug that’s been carried over since Civ 2. Apparently the game code was to set every civilization’s hostility level numerically, with Gandhi set at 0. But the game also automatically subtracted one from every civilization’s hostility at the beginning of the Modern Era, and Gandhi’s -1 hostility caused the game to bug out and set it at maximum hostility. Hence why, at the start of the Modern Era, Gandhi suddenly became a nuke monger.

421 Decatur Deb  Oct 16, 2014 7:25:54am

re: #417 Varek Raith

For those who don’t know, Gandhi in the civ series can be a total ass.
Funny AI he has.

Civ teaches important life lessons, like “Always ask a friendly co-religionist for a free technology the turn before you attack him.”

422 Dr. Matt  Oct 16, 2014 7:26:26am

re: #419 Lidane

Rand Paul trolls the First Lady….How “Presidential” of him.

423 Higgs Boson's Mate  Oct 16, 2014 7:28:02am

re: #410 Targetpractice

More a Civ V guy myself. More challenging in a lot of ways, especially with Brave New World.

Played Civ from the day it hit the shelves in 1991. Beta Tested Civ III and the PTW expansion. Finally Civved-out after the Gods and Kings expansion (Plus a ton of other DLC) on Civ V. Now when game I play, or mod, good ol’ Fallout 3. It’s enough.

424 wheat-dogghazi-bola  Oct 16, 2014 7:29:25am

re: #422 Dr. Matt

Rand Paul trolls the First Lady….How “Presidential” of him.

If he wants to be a real good ol’ boy, he needs to get a donut burger or two.

425 Varek Raith  Oct 16, 2014 7:29:28am

re: #423 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Played Civ from the day it hit the shelves in 1991. Beta Tested Civ III and the PTW expansion. Finally Civved-out after the Gods and Kings expansion (Plus a ton of other DLC) on Civ V. Now when game I play, or mod, good ol’ Fallout 3. It’s enough.

Megaton, RIP…es.
:evilgrin:

426 Decatur Deb  Oct 16, 2014 7:29:40am

Someone just down-dinged Varek’s Civ4 comment. I’m guessing that was a fumble-finger.

WHY DO YOU HATE SID?

427 Targetpractice  Oct 16, 2014 7:29:52am

Though, if there is one thing from Civ IV that I miss not being carried over to Civ V, it’s the little animations for the construction of Great Wonders. Oh, and not having Leonard Nemoy reading quotes with every new technology researched.

428 Vogon Poetry  Oct 16, 2014 7:33:57am

re: #396 lawhawk

The person who may have Ebola-like symptoms was a US researcher who had just returned from Liberia.

A physicians document obtained by News 8 says, “On Wednesday evening Yale-New Haven Hospital admitted a patient who met the threshold to be monitored for Ebola virus disease(EVD). The Hospital is working with the CDC and Prevention and the State Department of Public Heath to have the patient tested for EVD.”

News 8 Medical Reporter Jocelyn Maminta has talked to a credible source with the hospital who says the patient is one of the Yale Researchers who just returned from a trip to Liberia on Monday. This is one of the same researchers officials decided not to have quarantined after their trip to Africa.

The odds that this person actually has Ebola are far higher than most others.

429 Lidane  Oct 16, 2014 7:34:00am
430 Varek Raith  Oct 16, 2014 7:34:57am

Alpha Centauri 2.
Make it happen!

431 Targetpractice  Oct 16, 2014 7:35:23am

re: #429 Lidane

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Translation: “Civil government only exists as a thin facade for our theocracy!!”

432 Targetpractice  Oct 16, 2014 7:35:58am

re: #430 Varek Raith

Alpha Centauri 2.
Make it happen!

They are:

Youtube Video

433 Decatur Deb  Oct 16, 2014 7:35:59am

re: #430 Varek Raith

Alpha Centauri 2.
Make it happen!

They’re hyping a new release of something like that just now. Will check.

434 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Oct 16, 2014 7:36:59am

re: #431 Targetpractice

Translation: “Civil government only exists as a thin facade for our theocracy!!”

There is a bit more to it than that: The Dominionist view is that we must reflect (their interpretation of) God’s Divine Law in our own legislation. Failure to do so is simply inviting a good smiting.

435 Decatur Deb  Oct 16, 2014 7:37:02am

re: #433 Decatur Deb

They’re hyping a new release of something like that just now. Will check.

Yup. Targetpractice grabbed it.

436 bill d  Oct 16, 2014 7:37:56am
437 Targetpractice  Oct 16, 2014 7:38:02am

re: #434 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

There is a bit more to it than that: The Dominionist view is that we must reflect (their interpretation of) God’s Divine Law in our own legislation. Failure to do so is simply inviting a good smiting.

We’ve already been smote. God sent us Sarah Palin.

438 Varek Raith  Oct 16, 2014 7:38:46am

re: #432 Targetpractice

I can haz planetbusters???

439 Targetpractice  Oct 16, 2014 7:39:49am

re: #438 Varek Raith

I can haz planetbusters???

Don’t know just yet. I’m optimistic, though I have to admit that I’ve never actually sat down and played the original Alpha Centauri. *ducks*

440 wheat-dogghazi-bola  Oct 16, 2014 7:39:59am

re: #429 Lidane

Sounds like a version of the divine right of kings.

441 Rightwingconspirator  Oct 16, 2014 7:40:01am

re: #381 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

Sure, in the legislature. But let’s not set aside the boardrooms, which are money first and party second or third. Off shoring goes back about 3 Presidents, a couple shifts in DC legislative power.

With the mid terms coming up… There appears to be a tendency to forget just how far back a lot of this goes.

442 bill d  Oct 16, 2014 7:41:20am

I live in a nation of bedwetters.

443 Targetpractice  Oct 16, 2014 7:42:35am

re: #442 b.d.

I live in a nation of bedwetters.

I still remember when we were all going to die from anthrax. “ZOMG! WHITE POWDER IN THE MAIL!!!”

444 Higgs Boson's Mate  Oct 16, 2014 7:42:46am

re: #429 Lidane

One of the many reasons I became a Buddhist while still in High School was my inability to understand why all-knowing and all-powerful God would countenance so many vicious, bone-stupid human interpreters of his or her intentions.

445 EbolaSpotinAL  Oct 16, 2014 7:43:25am

re: #437 Targetpractice

We’ve already been smote. God sent us Sarah Palin.

A lot of the dominionists are smitten BY Sarah Palin.

446 Varek Raith  Oct 16, 2014 7:43:59am

re: #435 Decatur Deb

Yup. Targetpractice grabbed it.

I like what I see.
How the hell did I miss this???
:/

447 ChuckJager95  Oct 16, 2014 7:44:28am

re: #391 Decatur Deb

Civ4 at emperor level satisfies all my game-losing needs.

My current foray into self flagellation is X-Com: Enemy Within. Classic/Ironman. I can’t even begin to fathom what impossible is like.

448 bill d  Oct 16, 2014 7:44:53am

re: #443 Targetpractice

I still remember when we were all going to die from anthrax. “ZOMG! WHITE POWDER IN THE MAIL!!!”

The small company I used to work at in Ft. Worth bought the gal who opened the mail a gross of plastic gloves for her to wear while she opened the mail.

449 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Oct 16, 2014 7:45:08am

re: #420 Targetpractice

Yeah, apparently Gandhi’s whole bit is a bug that’s been carried over since Civ 2. Apparently the game code was to set every civilization’s hostility level numerically, with Gandhi set at 0. But the game also automatically subtracted one from every civilization’s hostility at the beginning of the Modern Era, and Gandhi’s -1 hostility caused the game to bug out and set it at maximum hostility. Hence why, at the start of the Modern Era, Gandhi suddenly became a nuke monger.

Unsigned integers FTW. -1 == 4294967295. Been there, done that.

450 Targetpractice  Oct 16, 2014 7:46:22am

re: #447 ChuckJager95

My current foray into self flagellation is X-Com: Enemy Within. Classic/Ironman. I can’t even begin to fathom what impossible is like.

The wrath of God. Impossible Ironman more so. The creators actually acknowledged that they never expected anyone to ever beat such and be stuck instead bragging how far they got before they were ground into powder.

451 Dead Tired  Oct 16, 2014 7:46:25am

Seven Cities of Gold.

Why yes, I am old.

452 Targetpractice  Oct 16, 2014 7:47:00am

re: #446 Varek Raith

I like what I see.
How the hell did I miss this???
:/

Don’t feel bad, I didn’t even see that trailer until a week ago.

453 Varek Raith  Oct 16, 2014 7:48:13am

re: #452 Targetpractice

Don’t feel bad, I didn’t even see that trailer until a week ago.

And it comes out in a week.
Sweet.

454 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Oct 16, 2014 7:48:53am

re: #437 Targetpractice

We’ve already been smote. God sent us Sarah Palin.

shes smotin’ hot!

455 ChuckJager95  Oct 16, 2014 7:49:09am

re: #450 Targetpractice

The wrath of God. Impossible Ironman more so. The creators actually acknowledged that they never expected anyone to ever beat such and be stuck instead bragging how far they got before they were ground into powder.

I tried Classic/Ironman with Aiming Angles turned on. In that MELD tutorial half my squad got wiped with one alien down, and I was super careful.

There’s a Let’s Play out there of a guy doing Impossible/Ironman run where he doesn’t lose a single squad member. It’s fascinating how lucky he got at times.

456 Higgs Boson's Mate  Oct 16, 2014 7:50:06am

re: #425 Varek Raith

Megaton, RIP…es.
:evilgrin:

Currently playing a female Lone Wanderer whom I named “Anesthesia”:
Sometimes it’s good to go bad - especially when you have the Blackhawk and The Terrible Shotgun.

457 Targetpractice  Oct 16, 2014 7:51:23am

re: #455 ChuckJager95

I tried Classic/Ironman with Aiming Angles turned on. In that MELD tutorial half my squad got wiped with one alien down, and I was super careful.

There’s a Let’s Play out there of a guy doing Impossible/Ironman run where he doesn’t lose a single squad member. It’s fascinating how lucky he got at times.

The RNG is a fickle mistress. I’ve seen guys on II come back with their entire squads, where so many runs have ended with their entire squad wiped out on the tutorial mission.

458 Vogon Poetry  Oct 16, 2014 7:53:07am
459 ChuckJager95  Oct 16, 2014 7:55:14am

re: #425 Varek Raith

Megaton, RIP…es.
:evilgrin:

In all my Fallout 3 runs, I think I saved Megaton maybe 20% of the time? That penthouse in Tenpenny Tower is too sweet to pass up. I always make sure to plug Allistair and throw him over the balcony afterwards though.

460 Decatur Deb  Oct 16, 2014 7:56:07am

re: #452 Targetpractice

Don’t feel bad, I didn’t even see that trailer until a week ago.

Hope it can fly on Linux without jumping through a lot of hoops. Is it Steam based?

461 Varek Raith  Oct 16, 2014 7:57:39am

re: #459 ChuckJager95

In all my Fallout 3 runs, I think I saved Megaton maybe 20% of the time? That penthouse in Tenpenny Tower is too sweet to pass up. I always make sure to plug Allistair and throw him over the balcony afterwards though.

Yeah, I found far too difficult to believe any one would build a town around an undetonated nuclear bomb.
I just had to show them the error of such a thing.

462 Targetpractice  Oct 16, 2014 7:57:55am

re: #460 Decatur Deb

Hope it can fly on Linux without jumping through a lot of hoops. Is it Steam based?

Not sure. So far, the only release date is for the Windows OS, which is next Friday.

463 Lidane  Oct 16, 2014 7:57:57am
464 Decatur Deb  Oct 16, 2014 7:58:53am

re: #451 Editor in Chief

Seven Cities of Gold.

Why yes, I am old.

Hamurabi (correct 8-bit spelling), Youngster.

465 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Oct 16, 2014 8:02:52am

re: #458 lawhawk

Pregnant Texans Are Being Charged With Crimes Against Their Unborn Child That Aren’t Supported By Law, AG Op, & Cases

and it is not about helping young, vulnerable women through a difficult time, it is about MAKING AN EXAMPLE OF THEM as CRIMINALS.

466 Vogon Poetry  Oct 16, 2014 8:03:32am

And how quickly do you think that the people who think that Ebola is airborne will latch on to the fact that the new protocol requires a breathing pack will see that as proof that Ebola has gone airborne, and not that it’s to make working in the suit easier?

467 Targetpractice  Oct 16, 2014 8:04:50am

re: #466 lawhawk

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And how quickly do you think that the people who think that Ebola is airborne will latch on to the fact that the new protocol requires a breathing pack will see that as proof that Ebola has gone airborne, and not that it’s to make working in the suit easier?

I’d say no later than the 5pm news.

468 EmmaAnne  Oct 16, 2014 8:05:41am

re: #347 Decatur Deb

Signed a petition asking Dr. Carson to run for president last week. Can’t send out a clown car without a medic on board.

LOL. I hope you used a throw-away email account. I signed a petition for AFA as a joke once years ago, and I still have their crap sneaking through my filters.

469 blueraven  Oct 16, 2014 8:06:59am

re: #428 lawhawk

The person who may have Ebola-like symptoms was a US researcher who had just returned from Liberia.

The odds that this person actually has Ebola are far higher than most others.

If they never came in contact with an Ebola patient, it could be any virus or other ailment…however, just to calm the public, they should have been quarantined.

Just because they weren’t in a clinical setting doesn’t make it 100% certainty that they were not exposed.

wtnh.com

The students traveled to Liberia to help set up a computer system so officials can track the spread of Ebola. Yale says the two never came in direct contact with Ebola patients and were never in a clinical setting.

470 Bulworth  Oct 16, 2014 8:09:17am

re:
#458

Pregnant Texans Are Being Charged With Crimes Against Their Unborn Child That Aren’t Supported By Law, AG Op, & Cases

Oh, so less government then?

///

471 Dr Lizardo  Oct 16, 2014 8:11:50am

re: #466 lawhawk

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And how quickly do you think that the people who think that Ebola is airborne will latch on to the fact that the new protocol requires a breathing pack will see that as proof that Ebola has gone airborne, and not that it’s to make working in the suit easier?

Within the next 15 minutes or so, I’d say.

472 Bulworth  Oct 16, 2014 8:12:39am

re:
#347

Signed a petition asking Dr. Carson to run for president last week. Can’t send out a clown car without a medic on board.

Good call.

473 Rightwingconspirator  Oct 16, 2014 8:13:03am

re: #375 Targetpractice

To quote my grandmother, “A job’s a job.” If we want to get people off 20 hrs and onto full-time jobs, then we need to get out there and vote next month to ensure Democrats can bring up minimum wage increases again and again. Expecting Republicans to see the need for higher wages that don’t come due to the “generosity” of “job creators” is like expecting a pig to understand that shitting where it eats is not healthy for it.

Upon further review… Really the way I see the economy is that a real boom, like what we have seen a few times in the past century trumps government policy every time. So much was clearly wrong with Federal policy and the economy during the dot com boom. We knew it, we saw film after film at 11:00. Clear warning like the accounting scandals. Obvious corporate power plays. But that was all perfectly tolerable at the time given the boom. Jobs dot com etc.

Now we have the opposite a reduced and stuck on simmer pro part time economy and we are looking to relative minutia to fix it. This is a war economy if you ask Boeing or Raytheon. Where is the boom? When the Air Force uses a missile. By all means fix the symptoms as best we can to treat the patient so to speak. But really you can’t build a strong middle class by adjusting the minimum wage. Or by changing the legislative majority.

You do that with jobs that pay more than minimum require full time plus attention and you have them in great numbers. Building. Creating. Managing those $$ numbers and people. That usually happens at best in parallel or even in spite of the legislature or who is in office. The other larger force in play now is the global economy.

This got loudly pointed out to me by a smart friend from India. He runs big jewelry manufacturing shops there and exports to the US. You don’t want to endure his expletives when we talk about bringing those jobs back “home”. He excoriates our selfishness for that local perspective. His attitude is the economy is no longer anything short of global and policies that don’t embrace that are doomed to fail at great cost.

My conclusion? That next boom needs to be something that moves us forward, not something that takes jobs back away from a trading partner or ally. When that time comes again who is in charge will matter only somewhat. Only to the extent they facilitate the government side of it.

My apologies to highly contrary perceptions, this concept is a hard sell within a month of the mid terms. Right now focus is very local and shorter term as a congress critters term in office. 2015 will be the time to take a hard look again at this concept.

474 Higgs Boson's Mate  Oct 16, 2014 8:13:10am

re: #465 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

and it is not about helping young, vulnerable women through a difficult time, it is about MAKING AN EXAMPLE OF THEM as CRIMINALS.

You mean to say that conservatives might be indulging in slut-shaming? Say not so! Why, these young women are being castigated For Their Own Good*.

*Just as aspiring sadists pull the wings off of flies For Their Own Good.

475 Decatur Deb  Oct 16, 2014 8:19:29am

re: #468 EmmaAnne

LOL. I hope you used a throw-away email account. I signed a petition for AFA as a joke once years ago, and I still have their crap sneaking through my filters.

Heh. I’m getting sick of the sniveling emails from my own 2-3 lefty organizations. They really have to rework the strategy of Prez, FLOTUS, and VP signing off on 5 buck begging letters.

476 ObserverArt  Oct 16, 2014 8:24:46am

How can some of you be talking about games when there is a full blown Ebola panic going on.

Let’s all get with the program.

See you all later…working in progress. And I need to save some time out for panic in the streets of Cleveland.

After all, Cleveland is only 130+ miles from Columbus. So, it is only a matter of time before someone drives from Cleveland to Columbus and spreads the panic here.

Aaaaayeeeeee!!!

477 The Big Ebola of Rocka Rolla  Oct 16, 2014 8:26:11am

Stop Stalking Me

The Diary of Chucky Bobby.

478 Bulworth  Oct 16, 2014 8:26:16am

re:
#475

Heh. I’m getting sick of the sniveling emails from my own 2-3 lefty organizations.

I just delete without reading.

I’d donate, but the kittehs sucked up all my spare cash this year.

479 bill d  Oct 16, 2014 8:26:33am

Presby Dallas looks like it is being relieved of its Ebola duty

480 Decatur Deb  Oct 16, 2014 8:26:52am

re: #476 ObserverArt

How can some of you be talking about games when there is a full blown Ebola panic going on.

Let’s all get with the program.

See you all later…working in progress. And I need to save some time out for panic in the streets of Cleveland.

After all, Cleveland is only 130+ miles from Columbus. So, it is only a matter of time before someone drives from Cleveland to Columbus and spreads the panic here.

Aaaaayeeeeee!!!

This ‘gaming’ is code for the plan to do nuclear cautery on the exposed states. Don’t tell anyone.

481 Higgs Boson's Mate  Oct 16, 2014 8:27:14am

re: #475 Decatur Deb

Heh. I’m getting sick of the sniveling emails from my own 2-3 lefty organizations. They really have to rework the strategy of Prez, FLOTUS, and VP signing off on 5 buck begging letters.

Here, here! I finally unsubscribed from every last damned one of them - or so I thought: I still have to occasionally unsubscribe from some new hair-on-fire solicitation. Bring back the 50 state strategy and we’ll talk.

482 NJDhockeyfan  Oct 16, 2014 8:30:46am
483 Bulworth  Oct 16, 2014 8:30:54am

re:
#479

patient Nina Pham expected to move to NIH’s isolation unit in Maryland: Fed gov’t official.

I wonder about the other patient…Vinson?

484 Targetpractice  Oct 16, 2014 8:31:33am

The insistence from “reasonable” wingnuts that the CDC is at fault for Presbyterian’s actions is just mind-boggling. They treat the task of the agency to create guidelines as though they were commands from upon high, that the hospitals making bad calls in the absence of concrete guidelines as the fault of the CDC and not the hospital.

“Personal responsibility,” my ass.

485 bill d  Oct 16, 2014 8:32:25am

re: #483 Bulworth

re:
#479

I wonder about the other patient…Vinson?

She got sent to Atlanta yesterday

486 Romantic Heretic  Oct 16, 2014 8:32:33am

re: #399 lawhawk

Hoft was at it calling for flight bans from Africa.

I said, if we’re following the logic of flight bans for areas with outbreaks of Ebola, then we need to ban flights with Texas (and Spain, Greece, etc.).

Can’t imagine that will go over well, but since it’s Africa, right wingers figure that the ban is acceptable. They can’t identify why Texas is different than an outbreak in Africa. It’s not controlled in Texas (the additional cases are proof).

We should lock ourselves away from the rest of the world! Only then will we be safe!

That is if the rest of the world actually existed, which it doesn’t.

487 Bulworth  Oct 16, 2014 8:33:15am

re:
#484

There should be less regulation and less government regulation and interference in the private sector except federal agencies should assume absolute dictatorial authority at the drop of a dime over any and all institutions connected to whatever I’m terrified of at the moment.

/

488 Decatur Deb  Oct 16, 2014 8:35:26am

re: #482 NJDhockeyfan

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Signed: Thomas Balcezak, MD

(Heh, Heh)

489 Romantic Heretic  Oct 16, 2014 8:35:36am

re: #356 Rightwingconspirator

BREAKING NEWS: LAUSD Superintendent Deasy expected to step down.

The status quo has gotten rid of the little whisper of reform that stepped up. Los Angeles parents weep, and not with joy. LAUSD is a national embarrassment.

In other words he couldn’t change the personnel practices of LAUSD to ‘at will’ so he’s going somewhere that employees are treated with the disrespect they deserve.

“Walmart, here I come!” were his last words.

490 Vogon Poetry  Oct 16, 2014 8:35:59am

So, who’s leaking information from the grand jury again?

And despite the hysterical headline that Brown’s hands weren’t up, the witness says that he say his hands were outstretched, which is to say, that they were likely going up when he was shot and killed.

The same witness says that he staggered towards Wilson, which was AFTER he had already been shot, and inertia from falling forward from being shot would explain, and all the other witnesses indicate that he was surrendering when Wilson shot him multiple times.

But Hoft is so tied to the narrative that Wilson was justified in killing an unarmed black man, that he has to ignore all the statements by this witness to cherry pick one bit that doesn’t actually dispute the other witnesses - depending on the person’s vantage point they might see it differently as well.

491 Vogon Poetry  Oct 16, 2014 8:36:25am

re: #483 Bulworth

The other patient was being sent to Emory.

492 danarchy  Oct 16, 2014 8:36:29am

re: #483 Bulworth

re:
#479

I wonder about the other patient…Vinson?

Believe she was taken to Emory hospital in Atlanta

493 Franklin  Oct 16, 2014 8:37:41am

re: #490 lawhawk

Scrowder tweeting Hoft.

494 Bulworth  Oct 16, 2014 8:37:44am

re:
#485

She got sent to Atlanta yesterday

Oh, thanks.

Wonder why the different destinations.

495 Rightwingconspirator  Oct 16, 2014 8:38:11am

re: #489 Romantic Heretic

In other words he couldn’t change the personnel practices of LAUSD to ‘at all’ so he’s going somewhere that employees are treated with the disrespect they deserve.

Fixd. The lifespan of any serious reformer at LAUSD makes the mayfly look good.

Where did you get that quote?

496 Lidane  Oct 16, 2014 8:39:37am

497 Vogon Poetry  Oct 16, 2014 8:40:01am

re: #484 Targetpractice

The insistence from “reasonable” wingnuts that the CDC is at fault for Presbyterian’s actions is just mind-boggling. They treat the task of the agency to create guidelines as though they were commands from upon high, that the hospitals making bad calls in the absence of concrete guidelines as the fault of the CDC and not the hospital.

“Personal responsibility,” my ass.

The infection control office at the hospital has primary and initial responsibility. That office failed in every way imaginable.

Next up is the Texas Department of Health, which has jurisdiction in oversight of the hospital. They too failed. Only then does the CDC intervene, and their protocols were essentially ignored by the hospital and TX health officials for two days.

That doesn’t put the CDC off the hook - they allowed Vinson to fly, even with a fever that by itself isn’t enough to restrict from flying; that she had cared for an Ebola patient should have been reason enough to restrict for the requisite quarantine/isolation to reduce chances of infection beyond the initial case.

498 Targetpractice  Oct 16, 2014 8:40:02am

re: #490 lawhawk

So, who’s leaking information from the grand jury again?

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And despite the hysterical headline that Brown’s hands weren’t up, the witness says that he say his hands were outstretched, which is to say, that they were likely going up when he was shot and killed.

The same witness says that he staggered towards Wilson, which was AFTER he had already been shot, and inertia from falling forward from being shot would explain, and all the other witnesses indicate that he was surrendering when Wilson shot him multiple times.

But Hoft is so tied to the narrative that Wilson was justified in killing an unarmed black man, that he has to ignore all the statements by this witness to cherry pick one bit that doesn’t actually dispute the other witnesses - depending on the person’s vantage point they might see it differently as well.

Speaking of leaks, whatever happened to the investigation into the prior one? I don’t think I ever heard anything more after the initial news about it. You’d think that a prosecutor who’s invested in such a case would make his effort to ensure the integrity of the grand jury’s decision as public as possible. Instead, the continued secrecy only breeds contempt.

499 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Oct 16, 2014 8:40:42am

re: #496 Lidane

A travel ban may not be medically necessary or even advisable, but it is psychologically necessary

sorta like handguns to defend freedoms at a Tea Party rally?

500 Targetpractice  Oct 16, 2014 8:40:51am

re: #496 Lidane

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Well, at least we got an admission that a travel ban would be window dressing, a pointless exercise that would accomplish little.

501 Decatur Deb  Oct 16, 2014 8:41:20am

re: #496 Lidane

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NRO refines the “Goon’s Veto”.

502 Romantic Heretic  Oct 16, 2014 8:41:33am

re: #372 Feline Fearless Leader

Maybe they should be tossed then. They were elected to go to Washington to do a job and act in the interests of the country and their constituents - not what is best for their party and political career.

As that ‘conservative’ icon, Edmund Burke, noted.

I’ve never understood why ‘conservatives’ claim Burke as one of their own. In the words of John Ralston Saul:

Most of those who claim to be his spiritual descendants are precisely the sort of people he spent his whole life fighting. If he could be brought back to life to meet with his current disciples, the probability is that he would refuse to sit down in the same room with them.

503 Feline Fearless Leader  Oct 16, 2014 8:41:45am

re: #397 Decatur Deb

Or y’all could do it the Texas way.

Build a fence on the border while the disease lands at the airport?
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504 Vogon Poetry  Oct 16, 2014 8:43:21am

re: #496 Lidane

If it’s psychologically necessary, then institute the ban to Texas - Dallas in particular. All flights. We’ve already had 2 cases of transmission in the US, and one of the transmitted cases then flew with what appears to be active symptoms, potentially spreading the disease even further. Add Cleveland to the list!

Same with flights to and from Spain and Greece, which are also hotspots where cases have been reported among caregivers who had come into contact with Ebola patients.

Oh wait, you mean shutting down DFW? Never mind. That would be an economic hit to the local economy.

But… but you said it was psychologically necessary even if it wasn’t medically necessary or even warranted.

505 Bulworth  Oct 16, 2014 8:44:27am

re:
#496

A travel ban may not be medically necessary or even advisable, but it is psychologically necessary.

Rational. Science. //

Seriously. The second there’s a travel ban the RWNJ would be all
AGGHGHGHHG!!!! Distracting from BENGHAZi!!!! POWER grab!!!1 Bad for economy/stocks!!!!1

506 Decatur Deb  Oct 16, 2014 8:45:05am

re: #503 Feline Fearless Leader

Build a fence on the border while the disease lands at the airport?
//

Kill that virus. Kill it dead, with an M249.

Image: rGsPGg6.jpg

507 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Oct 16, 2014 8:45:26am

re: #502 Romantic Heretic

As that ‘conservative’ icon, Edmund Burke, noted.

I’ve never understood why ‘conservatives’ claim Burke as one of their own. In the words of John Ralston Saul:

Most of those who claim to be his spiritual descendants are precisely the sort of people he spent his whole life fighting. If he could be brought back to life to meet with his current disciples, the probability is that he would refuse to sit down in the same room with them.

Same words could have been written about Jesus vis-a-vis today’s conservative Christians.

508 Feline Fearless Leader  Oct 16, 2014 8:46:01am

re: #444 Higgs Boson’s Mate

One of the many reasons I became a Buddhist while still in High School was my inability to understand why all-knowing and all-powerful God would countenance so many vicious, bone-stupid human interpreters of his or her intentions.

Om got distracted and wasn’t paying attention. He’s currently busy being a small tortoise.
;)

509 Higgs Boson's Mate  Oct 16, 2014 8:48:50am

re: #495 Rightwingconspirator

Fixd. The lifespan of any serious reformer at LAUSD makes the mayfly look good.

Where did you get that quote?

The short life span of serious reformers at LAUSD stems, I believe, from the inescapable conclusion that LAUSD is too big to effectively address the unique needs of its varied clients and way too top-heavy.

“So you’re a reformer? Great! Be sure and hold on to that cardboard box you brought your stuff in.”

510 Romantic Heretic  Oct 16, 2014 8:49:23am

re: #394 darthstar

Canada trolling the US epically.
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Yeah, we don’t have the oversupply of ambulance chasers, the blind greed or the victimization culture of the States. semi/

511 Lidane  Oct 16, 2014 8:52:38am

GOHMERT!

512 Romantic Heretic  Oct 16, 2014 8:52:58am

re: #414 Varek Raith

That’s been my experience. The only civ I like less as a close neighbour is the Aztecs.

Or maybe the French.

513 Decatur Deb  Oct 16, 2014 8:54:47am

re: #512 Romantic Heretic

That’s been my experience. The only civ I like less as a close neighbour is the Aztecs.

Or maybe the French.

Isabella—guaranteed attack.

514 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Oct 16, 2014 8:54:51am

re: #512 Romantic Heretic

I played Civ a few times, Ghandi seemed all too willing to use nukes.

515 Romantic Heretic  Oct 16, 2014 8:55:57am

re: #421 Decatur Deb

Civ teaches important life lessons, like “Always ask a friendly co-religionist for a free technology the turn before you attack him.”

I’ve learned that if the Aztecs want to open borders with you it’s only to infiltrate their armies inside your empire before attacking.

516 Targetpractice  Oct 16, 2014 8:56:15am

re: #513 Decatur Deb

Isabella—guaranteed attack.

God, I hate that woman.

517 Decatur Deb  Oct 16, 2014 8:57:12am

re: #514 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

I played Civ a few times, Ghandi seemed all too willing to use nukes.

TP posted the explanation above:

littlegreenfootballs.com

518 Dead Tired  Oct 16, 2014 8:57:30am

re: #473 Rightwingconspirator

Upon further review… Really the way I see the economy is that a real boom, like what we have seen a few times in the past century trumps government policy every time. So much was clearly wrong with Federal policy and the economy during the dot com boom. We knew it, we saw film after film at 11:00. Clear warning like the accounting scandals. Obvious corporate power plays. But that was all perfectly tolerable at the time given the boom. Jobs dot com etc.

Now we have the opposite a reduced and stuck on simmer pro part time economy and we are looking to relative minutia to fix it. This is a war economy if you ask Boeing or Raytheon. Where is the boom? When the Air Force uses a missile. By all means fix the symptoms as best we can to treat the patient so to speak. But really you can’t build a strong middle class by adjusting the minimum wage. Or by changing the legislative majority.

You do that with jobs that pay more than minimum require full time plus attention and you have them in great numbers. Building. Creating. Managing those $$ numbers and people. That usually happens at best in parallel or even in spite of the legislature or who is in office. The other larger force in play now is the global economy.

This got loudly pointed out to me by a smart friend from India. He runs big jewelry manufacturing shops there and exports to the US. You don’t want to endure his expletives when we talk about bringing those jobs back “home”. He excoriates our selfishness for that local perspective. His attitude is the economy is no longer anything short of global and policies that don’t embrace that are doomed to fail at great cost.

My conclusion? That next boom needs to be something that moves us forward, not something that takes jobs back away from a trading partner or ally. When that time comes again who is in charge will matter only somewhat. Only to the extent they facilitate the government side of it.

My apologies to highly contrary perceptions, this concept is a hard sell within a month of the mid terms. Right now focus is very local and shorter term as a congress critters term in office. 2015 will be the time to take a hard look again at this concept.

The province I live in did extremely well during the 2008 and on recession after being rather static in both population and economy for decades. The reason we did so well wasn’t because of a newly election right of centre government and many here would have us believe, but because of the jump in prices of two commodities we have in abundance, oil and potash.

The price of oil went high enough that it became economically profitable to pull oil from the oil sands where it had previously been cost ineffective. Potash prices also took a bump at the same time.

It was the global market that determined our economic boom, not the government. The economy is a complex dance of interacting factors, some controllable some not. Even if you control all factors and change just one, it will affect businesses differently because of their existing profitability and market.

That being said, making that single change mentioned above in an area that is a large chunk of one of the factors can start a cascade in other factors. That’s what happened here.

Everything has an inherent cost/benefit ratio when calculating the effects of a change and many times that ratio is just simple numbers, the more the merrier. That’s the case with minimum wage increases. Increasing minimum wages will put more money into the system during a time when money is being hoarded, as it is now, than giving tax breaks. The cascade effect will ripple upwards and be the catalyst for a larger economic push. It’s pretty obvious from countries like Canada that minimum wage increases have had that effect. That’s not to guarantee a better economy, because like everything else where you end up depends on where you start, but right now money is not trickling down so it has to bubble up.

519 Lidane  Oct 16, 2014 8:58:40am

re: #515 Romantic Heretic

I’ve learned that if the Aztecs want to open borders with you it’s only to infiltrate their armies inside your empire before attacking.

That was their strategy in real life, IIRC.

520 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Oct 16, 2014 8:59:07am

re: #517 Decatur Deb

TP posted the explanation above:

littlegreenfootballs.com

well THAT explains it. a simple if statement would have fixed that issue instead Ghandi torches everything.

521 Decatur Deb  Oct 16, 2014 9:00:00am

re: #516 Targetpractice

God, I hate that woman.

Time to go off and ditch yesterday’s losing game. If certain parameters fail early, I chuck it and restart. That means a lot of time smoking barbarians.

BBL

522 A Mom Anon  Oct 16, 2014 9:02:04am

re: #496 Lidane

So does this mean that all the paranoid, racist assholes should stay home for their mental health? YAY!!! Happy Dance and Joy of Joys!!! Please, please, stay home, hide in the bathroom and don’t come out til we give you the all clear signal. OK?

523 NJDhockeyfan  Oct 16, 2014 9:06:21am
524 The Mountain That Blogs  Oct 16, 2014 9:06:37am

re: #496 Lidane

This article is atrocious on pretty much every possible level.

525 blueraven  Oct 16, 2014 9:06:47am

Heh…

526 RealityBasedEbola  Oct 16, 2014 9:07:41am

re: #522 A Mom Anon

So does this mean that all the paranoid, racist assholes should stay home for their mental health? YAY!!! Happy Dance and Joy of Joys!!! Please, please, stay home, hide in the bathroom and don’t come out til we give you the all clear signal. OK?

AMA…. You do know the “All Clear” signaler is broken, and we can’t get parts for it anymore. It may be a few months before we can get around to trying to make something to repair it with.

RBS

527 Lidane  Oct 16, 2014 9:08:34am

Speaking of paranoid, racist assholes, VDH has amused me greatly this morning with an incoherent, clueless screed at NRO about what makes someone a “white Hispanic”:

donotlink.com

The comments are absolute gold. I am laughing my ass off at all the clueless dolts over there.

528 Ace-o-aces  Oct 16, 2014 9:09:43am

re: #523 NJDhockeyfan

Jesus Mohammed Christ people! Impeachment is for high crimes and misdemeanors. High crimes and misdemeanors does not mean “did something I disagree with”. Can everyone just agree on this, cause this shit is getting stupid.

529 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Oct 16, 2014 9:10:39am

re: #522 A Mom Anon

So does this mean that all the paranoid, racist assholes should stay home for their mental health? YAY!!! Happy Dance and Joy of Joys!!! Please, please, stay home, hide in the bathroom and don’t come out til we give you the all clear signal. OK?

that just means they’ll have more time to be online/on twitter. Unless we can convince them that ebola can be transmitted electronically.

530 The Big Ebola of Rocka Rolla  Oct 16, 2014 9:11:09am

re: #525 blueraven

I’mma gun get dem ebolas, erry last wunna dem.

531 The Big Ebola of Rocka Rolla  Oct 16, 2014 9:13:12am

Rick Scott is toast.

532 Targetpractice  Oct 16, 2014 9:13:43am

Right on cue…

533 Varek Raith  Oct 16, 2014 9:15:34am

re: #476 ObserverArt

How can some of you be talking about games when there is a full blown Ebola panic going on.

Let’s all get with the program.

See you all later…working in progress. And I need to save some time out for panic in the streets of Cleveland.

After all, Cleveland is only 130+ miles from Columbus. So, it is only a matter of time before someone drives from Cleveland to Columbus and spreads the panic here.

Aaaaayeeeeee!!!

ndemiccreations.com
:P

534 Bulworth  Oct 16, 2014 9:15:51am

re:
#532

Very serious people indeed….

//

535 Ace-o-aces  Oct 16, 2014 9:16:48am
536 Bulworth  Oct 16, 2014 9:17:27am

CNN’s EBOLA!!!!! coverage is making its MISSING PLANE!!!!! coverage look positively professional.

537 wrenchwitch  Oct 16, 2014 9:18:15am

re: #527 Lidane

Speaking of paranoid, racist assholes, VDH has amused me greatly this morning with an incoherent, clueless screed at NRO about what makes someone a “white Hispanic”:

donotlink.com

The comments are absolute gold. I am laughing my ass off at all the clueless dolts over there.

Thanks for donotlinking that. He’s come a long way from Mexifornia. NOT. The mask slips further. It’s around his neck.

538 Kragar  Oct 16, 2014 9:18:49am
539 Vogon Poetry  Oct 16, 2014 9:19:31am

re: #528 Ace-o-aces

Jesus Mohammed Christ people! Impeachment is for high crimes and misdemeanors. High crimes and misdemeanors does not mean “did something I disagree with”. Can everyone just agree on this, cause this shit is getting stupid.

Rather funny that a Canadian is calling for a US president’s impeachment over a policy dispute.

High crimes and misdemeanors. It doesn’t mean we’re going to impeach because … he’s Black or he doesn’t support your pet cause.

540 RealityBasedEbola  Oct 16, 2014 9:20:20am

I saw an Ebola drinking a Pina Colada at Trader Vics’…. It’s hair was perfect.

RBS

541 Bulworth  Oct 16, 2014 9:20:47am

re:
#538

National Review Editor Equates Akin’s “Legitimate Rape” Stance With Grimes’ Defense Of Secret Ballots

Breath-takingly stupid. Just what we’d expect.

542 Vogon Poetry  Oct 16, 2014 9:21:36am

re: #532 Targetpractice

543 Dr Lizardo  Oct 16, 2014 9:22:21am

re: #540 RealityBasedSteve

I saw an Ebola drinking a Pina Colada at Trader Vics’…. It’s hair was perfect.

RBS

Pina Ebola!!

A cool, refreshing Pina Ebola!

*drools*

544 Varek Raith  Oct 16, 2014 9:22:30am

Where the hell is Rick Perry?

545 Vogon Poetry  Oct 16, 2014 9:23:15am
546 Lidane  Oct 16, 2014 9:24:22am

re: #544 Varek Raith

Where the hell is Rick Perry?

In Europe.

547 De Kolta Chair  Oct 16, 2014 9:24:34am

re: #496 Lidane

Another thing National Review thought was “psychologically necessary”…

548 Targetpractice  Oct 16, 2014 9:24:35am

re: #544 Varek Raith

Where the hell is Rick Perry?

Trying to figure out how to thread the needle between his “FUCK THE FEDS!” stance and the need for the Feds to cover for his state’s ass right now. Not really helped that he boasted about Presbyterian…right before the whisteblowing started.

549 Lidane  Oct 16, 2014 9:25:23am
550 Bulworth  Oct 16, 2014 9:25:47am

re:
#547

Not rational, democratic, or moral, but psychologically necessary.

/

551 Feline Fearless Leader  Oct 16, 2014 9:26:12am

re: #549 Lidane

That’s because Obama arranged for Ebola to get into the country as a distraction from Benghazi.
///

552 Vogon Poetry  Oct 16, 2014 9:26:30am

re: #544 Varek Raith

Trying to think of the third thing he wants to do today. Meanwhile, Ted Cruz is demanding Congress come back in session to vote on flight bans (which health experts say would be counter productive and really addresses fear, paranoia, and hysteria, and not the fact that Ebola is pretty tough to get unless you have direct contact with someone who has active Ebola.

So, if they’re going to demand flight bans, start with Texas. It’s the only way to be sure.

553 Targetpractice  Oct 16, 2014 9:26:41am

re: #549 Lidane

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Good to know that, of all the major issues facing the nation, the Republicans have cut their campaign time a bit short to come to Capital Hill and chew out the CDC director for perceived failures.

554 Bulworth  Oct 16, 2014 9:26:56am

re:
#549

Ebola funding won’t get a hearing from House Republicans, but Ebola panic will

You can’t just throw money at the problem!!!!!!!!!111

555 Feline Fearless Leader  Oct 16, 2014 9:27:32am

re: #552 lawhawk

Trying to think of the third thing he wants to do today. Meanwhile, Ted Cruz is demanding Congress come back in session to vote on flight bans (which health experts say would be counter productive and really addresses fear, paranoia, and hysteria, and not the fact that Ebola is pretty tough to get unless you have direct contact with someone who has active Ebola.

So, if they’re going to demand flight bans, start with Texas. It’s the only way to be sure.

As compared to demanding the Senate come back into session in order to get an actual Surgeon General approved.
/

556 Vogon Poetry  Oct 16, 2014 9:27:38am

Classy as always:

557 HappyWarrior  Oct 16, 2014 9:28:00am

re: #556 lawhawk

Classy as always:

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Apologist for internment say what.

558 HappyWarrior  Oct 16, 2014 9:29:33am

re: #547 De Kolta Chair

Another thing National Review thought was “psychologically necessary”…

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Yep and don’t forget their numerous white nationalists that they’ve employed in this very decade. That’s a shitty publication. Has been from the start.

559 Eventual Carrion  Oct 16, 2014 9:37:34am

re: #476 ObserverArt

How can some of you be talking about games when there is a full blown Ebola panic going on.

Let’s all get with the program.

See you all later…working in progress. And I need to save some time out for panic in the streets of Cleveland.

After all, Cleveland is only 130+ miles from Columbus. So, it is only a matter of time before someone drives from Cleveland to Columbus and spreads the panic here.

Aaaaayeeeeee!!!

I am only 87 miles from Cleveland. I must be dead already and don’t even know it.

560 Ace-o-aces  Oct 16, 2014 9:43:52am
561 Higgs Boson's Mate  Oct 16, 2014 9:47:20am

re: #525 blueraven

Note, too, that Perry is in the waist gunner’s station. That’s because Ted Cruz was already the tail gunner.

562 Varek Raith  Oct 16, 2014 10:11:12am

re: #560 Ace-o-aces

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It’s psychologically necessary that I get a billion dollars.

Think that’ll work???

563 Decatur Deb  Oct 16, 2014 11:14:26am

re: #544 Varek Raith

Where the hell is Rick Perry?

There were 3 stops in his itinerary.

564 darthstar  Oct 16, 2014 12:19:19pm

re: #436 b.d.

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