Joni Ernst Doesn’t Just Want to Castrate Hogs, She Wants to Destroy Health Care for the Poors

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Iowa Republican Joni Ernst is running for the Senate seat vacated by Democrat Tom Harkin, and she’s been campaigning on her history as a person who loves castrating hogs, often saying in her speeches that she plans to “make Obama squeal.” She’s super-classy.

And she’s also a true far right extremist, as these secretly recorded remarks highlighted yesterday by Greg Sargent reveal:

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Joni Ernst wants to make America squeal

The audio was recorded by Radio Iowa, which didn’t highlight the key remarks at the time; the Iowa Democratic Party has only just come across those remarks now, and circulated them to reporters today.

In the audio, Ernst came out for a balanced budget amendment, said that would require “severe cuts,” reiterated her desire to eliminate the Department of Education, vowed a “good, hard look at entitlement programs,” and said electing a GOP Senate majority would be a key step towards all of this. She also said we are “encouraging people” to get on food stamps. And then she waxed philosophical:

“What we have to do a better job of is educating not only Iowans, but the American people that they can be self-sufficient. They don’t have to rely on the government to be the do-all, end-all for everything they need and desire, and that’s what we have fostered, is really a generation of people that rely on the government to provide absolutely everything for them. It’s going to take a lot of education to get people out of that. It’s going to be very painful and we know that. So do we have the intestinal fortitude to do that?…

“We’re looking at Obamacare right now. Once we start with those benefits in January, how are we going to get people off of those? It’s exponentially harder to remove people once they’ve already been on those programs…we rely on government for absolutely everything. And in the years since I was a small girl up until now into my adulthood with children of my own, we have lost a reliance on not only our own families, but so much of what our churches and private organizations used to do. They used to have wonderful food pantries. They used to provide clothing for those that really needed it. But we have gotten away from that. Now we’re at a point where the government will just give away anything.”

Look closer at these statements; what Ernst is saying is that if people can’t afford health insurance, or can’t get it because of pre-existing illness or catastrophic accident, they should be left on their own. Presumably to die, unless they can find a church with a “food pantry” to help them. And she’s advocating the destruction of Obamacare, the only safety net this country has successfully enacted yet for these people.

It’s rare to see the essential heartlessness of the Republican Party’s opposition to health care stated so nakedly — but it’s getting less rare all the time, as the extremists like Ernst continue pushing the window farther and farther to the right.

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169 comments
1 Rightwingconspirator  Oct 17, 2014 11:48:42am

Deleted wrong thread…

2 Kragar  Oct 17, 2014 11:51:14am
in the years since I was a small girl up until now into my adulthood with children of my own, we have lost a reliance on not only our own families, but so much of what our churches and private organizations used to do. They used to have wonderful food pantries. They used to provide clothing for those that really needed it.

We’ll just ignore the fact that local charities have repeatedly been unable to provide for the needy when faced with difficult economic times, or the fact that church based charity usually comes with strings attached.

3 Targetpractice  Oct 17, 2014 11:53:19am

re: #2 Kragar

We’ll just ignore the fact that local charities have repeatedly been able to provide for the needy when faced with difficult economic times, or the fact that church based charity usually comes with strings attached.

I imagine that, in her view, that’s a feature and not a bug.

4 Dr. Matt  Oct 17, 2014 11:53:29am

A redux of Mitten’s 47% comments.

5 Vogon Poetry  Oct 17, 2014 11:53:32am

That’s hardly an outlier position for the GOP. In fact, it’s part and parcel of the GOP platform for years (see 2012 GOP platform, which calls for Obamacare repeal, for starters).

It’s not original thinking on her part. She’s simply regurgitating the same failed policies that the GOP has proffered for years. Repeal Obamacare, destroy the safety net, and BOOTSTRAP (while we cut the rungs on the ladder).

She’s waxing rhapsodic over how we can best get people off Obamacare (memo to Joni - Obamacare is private insurance through marketplaces; the federal govt provides subsidies to those that can’t afford it because their employers aren’t providing health insurance directly; it also includes Medicaid expansion, which is a govt insurance, which also happens to bend the cost of health care down because no one really knows what health care should cost in the country because it’s all hidden from view until Obamacare pushed to open up the books).

In other words, it’s the same vaporware that the GOP has been selling nationally. Just with more Iowa pig slop.

6 wrenchwitch  Oct 17, 2014 11:53:39am

re: #2 Kragar

We’ll just ignore the fact that local charities have repeatedly been able to provide for the needy when faced with difficult economic times, or the fact that church based charity usually comes with strings attached.

She doesn’t actually want people to be self sufficient. She wants them dependent on a Christian church.

7 Blind Frog Ebola White  Oct 17, 2014 11:54:37am
Look closer at these statements; what Ernst is saying is that if people can’t afford health insurance, or can’t get it because of pre-existing illness or catastrophic accident, they should be left on their own. Presumably to die. And she’s advocating the destruction of Obamacare, the only safety net this country has successfully enacted yet for these people.

Not quite. She’s saying they should depend on charity, which means they should depend on something undependable, since giving to charities tends to be inversely proportional to the number of people who need it - i.e. the worse the economy and the more people in need, the fewer the number who can give significantly and even fewer who of those who are inclined.

8 EPR-radar  Oct 17, 2014 11:54:47am

This viciousness would be what is left if all of the racism and so-con bullshit is stripped out of the GOP.

In fact, the main reason for all that racism and so-con bullshit in the first place is to get people to mindlessly vote for truly heartless fiscal policies.

After all, getting a hater to vote for his own impoverishment is much easier to do by convincing the hater that said vote will screw over black people than by convincing the hater that his own impoverishment is a good thing.

9 RealityBasedEbola  Oct 17, 2014 11:55:50am

She is full blooded RWNJ. I’ve been aware of her for a while now….

Just a sampling

Arrest Federal Officials… CHECK
State Sen. Joni Ernst, the Republican nominee for U.S. Senate in Iowa, once said she would support legislation that would allow “local law enforcement to arrest federal officials attempting to implement” Obamacare.

Ernst voiced her support for that, as well as supporting legislation that would “nullify” Obamacare in a Iowa State Legislative Candidates survey for Ron Paul’s libertarian-aligned Campaign for Liberty in 2012. It can be viewed here.
talkingpointsmemo.com

Agenda 21… CHECK

“The United Nations has imposed this upon us, and as a U.S. senator, I would say, ‘No more. No more Agenda 21,’” she said earlier this year. “Community planning - to the effect that it is implementing eminent domain and taking away property rights away from individuals - I don’t agree with that…. We don’t want to see a further push with Agenda 21, where the Agenda 21 and the government telling us that these are the urban centers that you will live in; these are the ways that you will travel to other urban centers. Agenda 21 encompasses so many different aspects of our lives that it’s taking away our individual liberties, our freedoms as United States citizens.” msnbc.com

Nullify laws states don’t agree with … CHECK

Ernst, a first-term state senator, has never explicitly supported pro-nullification legislation in her time in the Iowa state senate. However, she co-sponsored a resolution that says “the State of Iowa hereby claims sovereignty under the Tenth Amendment to the Constitution of the United States over all powers not otherwise enumerated and granted to the federal government by the Constitution of the United States.” It was introduced in response to “many federal mandates [that] are directly in violation of the Tenth Amendment to the Constitution of the United States.” thedailybeast.com

I think I may have done a page on her, if not I meant too. If she’s elected, and right now she’s holding a small but consistent lead across the polls, she’ll be in the Bachmann mold with no doubt at all.

RBS

10 Blind Frog Ebola White  Oct 17, 2014 11:56:57am

re: #6 wrenchwitch

She doesn’t actually want people to be self sufficient. She wants them dependent on a Christian church.

There was someone last year who said that the presence of safety net programs deprived Christians of the opportunity to demonstrate charity, as if the poor exist only to save the souls of the better off, rather than having a reason to exist on their own.

11 Charles Johnson  Oct 17, 2014 11:57:24am

Ernst also wants to destroy the Department of Education and do away with public schools.

Man, am I ever getting sick of these reactionary backwards assholes.

12 Blind Frog Ebola White  Oct 17, 2014 11:57:50am

re: #2 Kragar

We’ll just ignore the fact that local charities have repeatedly been able to provide for the needy when faced with difficult economic times, or the fact that church based charity usually comes with strings attached.

Did you mean UNable?

13 Targetpractice  Oct 17, 2014 11:58:27am

re: #7 Blind Frog Belly White

Not quite. She’s saying they should depend on charity, which means they should depend on something undependable, since giving to charities tends to be inversely proportional to the number of people who need it - i.e. the worse the economy and the more people in need, the fewer the number who can give significantly and even fewer who of those who are inclined.

You’d think that the Great Depression would have snapped this nation once and for all out of the notion that charities can cover the needs of the poor and jobless in the midst of an economic downturn, but then I remember that most of these Boomer fucks and their yuppie children grew up never knowing that sort of pain.

14 Kragar  Oct 17, 2014 11:58:43am

re: #12 Blind Frog Belly White

I fixed it before, just reload

15 Decatur Deb  Oct 17, 2014 11:58:55am

re: #2 Kragar

We’ll just ignore the fact that local charities have repeatedly been unable to provide for the needy when faced with difficult economic times, or the fact that church based charity usually comes with strings attached.

While she ignores the contradiction that depending on the public is bad, but churches fostering dependency is good. Sometimes it’s hard to be consistent for two whole paragraphs.

16 Kragar  Oct 17, 2014 11:59:06am
17 Dr. Matt  Oct 17, 2014 12:00:04pm

Yes, if you have cancer, charities and churches are perfect, time-tested solutions versus a subsidized health care plan.

18 Kragar  Oct 17, 2014 12:00:07pm

re: #15 Decatur Deb

While she ignores the contradiction that depending on the public is bad, but churches fostering dependency is good. Sometimes it’s hard to be consistent for two whole paragraphs.

Big government is evil
Big Church, as long as its the proper God fearing Christian kind, is good.

19 De Kolta Chair  Oct 17, 2014 12:00:30pm

The secret is finally revealed — George Bush caused a near-Depression to encourage people to go on food stamps.

20 Blind Frog Ebola White  Oct 17, 2014 12:00:39pm

re: #14 Kragar

I fixed it before, just reload

Reload? What, am I Sarah Palin? I prefer to retreat!!
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21 Targetpractice  Oct 17, 2014 12:00:56pm

re: #11 Charles Johnson

Ernst also wants to destroy the Department of Education and do away with public schools.

Man, am I ever getting sick of these reactionary backwards assholes.

Nah, she’s one of those morons who thinks that a Balkanized education system, where 50 different states have several hundred different educational standards will somehow improve the level of education in this country.

22 Decatur Deb  Oct 17, 2014 12:02:10pm

re: #17 Dr. Matt

Yes, if you have cancer, charities and churches are perfect, time-tested solutions versus a subsidized health care plan.

Never underestimate a bake sale.

23 EmmaAnne  Oct 17, 2014 12:02:58pm

Republican health care plan for those who can’t afford insurance or have preexisting conditions:

(1) Don’t get sick
(2) If you do get sick, die quickly

I have forgotten who said that. Obama?

ETA: it was Alan Grayson. He’s an ass, but that was pretty pithy and true.

24 Blind Frog Ebola White  Oct 17, 2014 12:03:45pm

re: #21 Targetpractice

Nah, she’s one of those morons who thinks that a Balkanized education system, where 50 different states have several hundred different educational standards will somehow improve the level of education in this country.

To folks like that, ‘improving the level of education’ means that kids won’t learn ‘evil’ things like Evolution, contraception, or all the bad shit America has done. And definitely not to EVER question authority, unless that authority is Democratic.

25 Jenner7  Oct 17, 2014 12:03:49pm

re: #23 EmmaAnne

Alan Grayson from Florida

26 EPR-radar  Oct 17, 2014 12:03:51pm

re: #13 Targetpractice

You’d think that the Great Depression would have snapped this nation once and for all out of the notion that charities can cover the needs of the poor and jobless in the midst of an economic downturn, but then I remember that most of these Boomer fucks and their yuppie children grew up never knowing that sort of pain.

The Republicans took a truly massive hit in their popularity from the spectacle of the Hoover administration doing fuck-all about the Great Depression for three years because of GOP laissez-faire orthodoxy.

For years afterward, they couldn’t even openly campaign on removing the New Deal. Instead they would “run it more efficiently”.

Now that the Great Depression is further in the past, the GOP is openly going after the New Deal. Not coincidentally, they are also heavily invested in revisionist history.

27 Blind Frog Ebola White  Oct 17, 2014 12:04:12pm

re: #23 EmmaAnne

Republican health care plan for those who can’t afford insurance or have preexisting conditions:

(1) Don’t get sick
(2) If you do get sick, die quickly

I have forgotten who said that. Obama?

Alan Grayson

28 RealityBasedEbola  Oct 17, 2014 12:04:22pm

re: #19 De Kolta Chair

The secret is finally revealed — George Bush caused a near-Depression to encourage people to go on food stamps.

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Middle Earth Facepalm, when even the Elves see your FAIL

29 Blind Frog Ebola White  Oct 17, 2014 12:04:45pm

re: #25 Jenner7

Alan Grayson from Florida

re: #27 Blind Frog Belly White

Alan Grayson

Missed it by that much.

30 Decatur Deb  Oct 17, 2014 12:05:11pm

re: #23 EmmaAnne

Republican health care plan for those who can’t afford insurance or have preexisting conditions:

(1) Don’t get sick
(2) If you do get sick, die quickly

I have forgotten who said that. Obama?

Obamacare supporter, a legislator who does off-the-wall.

31 EmmaAnne  Oct 17, 2014 12:05:39pm

re: #29 Blind Frog Belly White

Missed it by that much.

Thanks to both of you. :-)

32 klys  Oct 17, 2014 12:06:43pm

Rah rah go team!

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33 Internet Tough Guy  Oct 17, 2014 12:07:56pm

I look forward to her vote to kill the Dept. of Agriculture.

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34 EPR-radar  Oct 17, 2014 12:08:43pm

re: #32 klys

Rah rah go team!

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One does wonder what level of compartmented thinking it really takes to be rational and decent (even if its only part-time) and consistently vote GOP.

35 Vogon Poetry  Oct 17, 2014 12:08:45pm

Oh, the multitude of responses that could be given.

Like how the House GOP has blocked science and research spending. That their House Committee on Science is stocked with nothing but anti-science creationists who ignore scientists when commenting on climate change or science policy.

Or how the House refused to appropriate money the President requested for the Africa mission to fight the outbreak there so that it doesn’t spread here.

Or how the GOP as a whole doesn’t see government functioning as a good thing, so it sabotages even successful programs like the CDC and when they falter call for more cuts in the hopes of killing programs entirely.

Or how the GOP approach to public health is hope and a lot of nope - Obamacare expanded access to preventative care, which would save a whole lot more lives than the worldwide Ebola outbreak, and yet the GOP refused to expand Medicaid across GOP controlled states effectively putting access to affordable health care out of reach for millions. So, those folks have to hope that they don’t get sick, and if they do get sick, they get no help to cover those costs through insurance (which they’d be paying for).

36 Vogon Poetry  Oct 17, 2014 12:09:56pm
37 EPR-radar  Oct 17, 2014 12:10:05pm

re: #9 RealityBasedSteve

This Bachmann-level crazy person will be in the Senate if she wins.

How’s that GOP reform coming along, GOP apologists and enablers?

38 RealityBasedEbola  Oct 17, 2014 12:10:37pm

And while we look at her actual quotes and in some case, recoil in disbelief, we have to remember, to her hard core base, this is simply preaching the gospel to them.

shakes head and walks away.

RBS

39 klys  Oct 17, 2014 12:13:03pm

re: #38 RealityBasedSteve

And while we look at her actual quotes and in some case, recoil in disbelief, we have to remember, to her hard core base, this is simply preaching the gospel to them.

shakes head and walks away.

RBS

It is amazing that some people hate their fellow Americans that much, all while claiming to be the most patriotic patriots that ever lived.

40 Mattand  Oct 17, 2014 12:13:36pm

Does anyone really, honestly, think that bringing statements like Ernst’s to light is going make one bit of difference to Iowa Republicans? Or the GOP in general?

I mean, seriously: unemployment is down. The deficit is down. People who literally a year and a half ago could not take their kids to the doctor can now do so.

And what’s the main theme going into next month? Republicans are poised to take over the Senate. Because that’s how it always happens, according to everyone.

Also, Americans are so fucking stupid that they think the party who has ground the government to a halt twice in twenty years is just the ticket we need to straighten everything out.

The party who often run on the message of “Elect me to Congress so I can destroy it”.

The party who cuts funding for disease research and then accuses the African American president of basically starting a plague.

I’m glad Ernst’s statements are being brought to light, because we at least we know what we’re dealing with. But don’t kid yourself if you think this is going to have any effect. I’ve seen how the few ‘moderate’ Republicans behave here (with few exceptions), utilizing every “No true conservative” logical fallacy they can muster.

This woman could openly call for the President’s assassination, and the only thing that would happen is that it increase her margin of victory.

41 EPR-radar  Oct 17, 2014 12:13:51pm

re: #38 RealityBasedSteve

And while we look at her actual quotes and in some case, recoil in disbelief, we have to remember, to her hard core base, this is simply preaching the gospel to them.

shakes head and walks away.

RBS

And the ‘moderate Republicans’ will cheerfully vote for her, having somehow or another rationalized themselves into thinking the (D) candidate for this Senate seat is worse.

42 Kragar  Oct 17, 2014 12:14:23pm

re: #35 Vogon Poetry

43 The Fourth Football of the Apocalypse (Bulworth)  Oct 17, 2014 12:14:29pm

Terrible people.

44 bill d  Oct 17, 2014 12:15:02pm

Dim Jim’s 2nd Ebola hospital issues statement:

45 The Fourth Football of the Apocalypse (Bulworth)  Oct 17, 2014 12:15:25pm

We’re raging mad about Obamacare’s mandates to buy private health insurance and we’re raging mad that Obamacare is giving everything away!!!!!!111

Logic.

46 blueraven  Oct 17, 2014 12:20:06pm

Joni Ernst also still believes that there were WMDs in Iraq…because reasons.

desmoinesregister.com

She is a nutcase.

47 Lumberhead  Oct 17, 2014 12:20:34pm

re: #40 Mattand

Unfortunately, you’re absolutely correct. As shown above by RBS, she’s spouted lots of crazy before. There will be no political blowback for this.

48 Kragar  Oct 17, 2014 12:21:30pm

Case in Point:

49 rhuarc  Oct 17, 2014 12:22:17pm

And despite all of the crazy, I believe she is favored to win over Braley.

50 A Mom Anon  Oct 17, 2014 12:22:43pm

re: #39 klys

They love America and hate Americans. It’s not a lot more complex than that.

Meanwhile, in Reality…. churches, homeless shelters, food banks, etc. are experiencing severe shortages. Because when things are bad, people can’t afford extra to give away. Well, most people can’t. I get the distinct impression Mrs. Ernst could afford to do more than most people could. There are over 300 million people in this country, one percent of that is 3 million. So there are 3 million people doing pretty fucking well right now. Maybe another 10-25 million that are not hurting much at all. The rest of us however might need more than a fucking minimum wage job to get by. And this nasty meat puppet has the fucking nerve to whine about other people needing help? I dare her to come to my house and talk that shit to my face. She wouldn’t, because she’s a coward. They all are. Bullies and cowards, with a lack of empathy that would make some serial killers pause.

I cannot STAND this shit anymore. I really have lost my faith in humanity and I’m not sure I can get it back to be honest.

51 Vogon Poetry  Oct 17, 2014 12:25:54pm

re: #48 Kragar

The First Amendment. How does it work?

Reading comprehension for Dummies:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

Later amendments apply that first phrase to state and local governments (and state and local constitutions also either explicitly or implicitly repeat and/or incorporate the same language barring government from establishing a religion).

In other words, it’s the separation of church and state.

52 Varek Raith  Oct 17, 2014 12:26:48pm

Picking a fight with #gamergate fools.
Not sure why.
XD

53 Lidane  Oct 17, 2014 12:27:30pm
54 Kragar  Oct 17, 2014 12:28:58pm

re: #51 Vogon Poetry

The First Amendment. How does it work?

Reading comprehension for Dummies:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

Later amendments apply that first phrase to state and local governments (and state and local constitutions also either explicitly or implicitly repeat and/or incorporate the same language barring government from establishing a religion).

In other words, it’s the separation of church and state.

These morons think that only means Congress can’t choose a religion. They actually think that state or local governments can vote to choose an official religion for their jurisdiction

55 Targetpractice  Oct 17, 2014 12:30:15pm

re: #54 Kragar

These morons think that only means Congress can’t choose a religion. They actually think that state or local governments can vote to choose an official religion for their jurisdiction

Ayep. They think the 1st amendment only applies to the Feds, while the 10th allows states to do whatever the fuck they want.

56 A Mom Anon  Oct 17, 2014 12:30:51pm

re: #53 Lidane

Gee, I wonder what we could do with our healthcare system that might help people get seen on a regular basis and make it so there would be no need to try and pull stupid shit like this???…. hmm. Nah, it’s just fine the way it is, can’t you tell? I mean Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck and all the members of the House and Senate have no problems with their medical care, so the rest of us must be just imagining things…..

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57 Targetpractice  Oct 17, 2014 12:31:09pm

re: #53 Lidane

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The media that has eagerly fed the beast called “Public Panic” now reaps the reward of reporting on the stupid shit done due to said panic.

58 Lidane  Oct 17, 2014 12:32:15pm

re: #55 Targetpractice

Ayep. They think the 1st amendment only applies to the Feds, while the 10th allows states to do whatever the fuck they want.

These are the same morans who question climate change and question evolution, but who can tell you all the disease vectors for Ebola because Glenn Beck explained it to them.

They’re not bright people.

59 Blind Frog Ebola White  Oct 17, 2014 12:32:41pm

re: #48 Kragar

Georgia Republican: State-sponsored religion will end big-government tyranny

State-sponsored religion IS big-government tyranny.

60 Shiplord Kirel  Oct 17, 2014 12:33:45pm

My old church in Lubbock is one of several who support a cooperative food pantry/health clinic/free meal operation. It usually manages to serve a few hundred people a week, about a hundred for the clinic. They have a dentist who volunteers his time to see 12 patients every other week. It is the only source of qualified medical care for many people in a city of 200,000+.
This is a great operation and I am proud to support it, but there is no way in heaven or hell it can replace the current safety net, as this cruel woman suggests,

61 Blind Frog Ebola White  Oct 17, 2014 12:34:28pm

I’m amazed at the seeming desire of many on the Right to believe the worst and most worrying things all the time, to seek out people who will not only not reassure them, but will actually exacerbate their anxiety.

62 Blind Frog Ebola White  Oct 17, 2014 12:35:52pm

re: #60 Shiplord Kirel

My old church in Lubbock is one of several who support a cooperative food pantry/health clinic/free meal operation. It usually manages to serve a few hundred people a week, about a hundred for the clinic. They have a dentist who volunteers his time to see 12 patients every other week. It is the only source of qualified medical care for many people in a city of 200,000+.
This is a great operation and I am proud to support it, but there is no way in heaven or hell it can replace the current safety net, as this cruel woman suggests,

Well, you see, if we didn’t have Gummint, then people would give more to charity! Seriously, that’s how they’ll respond.

63 RealityBasedEbola  Oct 17, 2014 12:36:37pm

re: #57 Targetpractice

The media that has eagerly fed the beast called “Public Panic” now reaps the reward of reporting on the stupid shit done due to said panic.

Yes, two confirmed cases, both of health care workers who were in direct contact with patient, and questionable protocols. No, repeat NO, confirmed cases elsewhere. This is an outbreak, an epidemic and a raging pestilence all rolled up into one.

It’s the same thing we’ll see this winter as each storm / cold front forms up. No milk or bread in the market from panic buying.

One good thing to come out of this. It made it very easy for un-imaginative people to come up with Halloween costumes.

RBS

64 Lidane  Oct 17, 2014 12:38:01pm

Sorry for the OT, but this just happened:

65 klys  Oct 17, 2014 12:38:12pm

re: #60 Shiplord Kirel

My old church in Lubbock is one of several who support a cooperative food pantry/health clinic/free meal operation. It usually manages to serve a few hundred people a week, about a hundred for the clinic. They have a dentist who volunteers his time to see 12 patients every other week. It is the only source of qualified medical care for many people in a city of 200,000+.
This is a great operation and I am proud to support it, but there is no way in heaven or hell it can replace the current safety net, as this cruel woman suggests,

Implicit in these statements, of course, is that for many of the people who advocate this, they wouldn’t be affected because they are smart and have made good decisions (in their own mind) and so clearly if someone else does need it, it’s their own fault.

Which is bullshit. Complete and utter bullshit. Even if it is someone’s own fault, we all benefit as a whole for folks to have food to eat, access to healthcare, and a safety net to fall back on. But they want to be able to pick and choose, to keep it restrict to folks they feel deserve it - with all the undertones that implies. Ultimately they want to play God with other people’s lives, deciding whether they are worthy of a good life or not.

66 Stanley Seabola  Oct 17, 2014 12:39:18pm

re: #53 Lidane

Yesterday in San Diego

A Southern California community college evacuated part of its campus after a student told an instructor she and her family had been quarantined for possible exposure to Ebola — a story she made up so she would not be dropped for missing class, school officials say.

Source: nbcsandiego.com

67 Blind Frog Ebola White  Oct 17, 2014 12:40:24pm

re: #40 Mattand

Does anyone really, honestly, think that bringing statements like Ernst’s to light is going make one bit of difference to Iowa Republicans? Or the GOP in general?

I mean, seriously: unemployment is down. The deficit is down. People who literally a year and a half ago could not take their kids to the doctor can now do so.

And what’s the main theme going into next month? Republicans are poised to take over the Senate. Because that’s how it always happens, according to everyone.

Also, Americans are so fucking stupid that they think the party who has ground the government to a halt twice in twenty years is just the ticket we need to straighten everything out.

The party who often run on the message of “Elect me to Congress so I can destroy it”.

The party who cuts funding for disease research and then accuses the African American president of basically starting a plague.

I’m glad Ernst’s statements are being brought to light, because we at least we know what we’re dealing with. But don’t kid yourself if you think this is going to have any effect. I’ve seen how the few ‘moderate’ Republicans behave here (with few exceptions), utilizing every “No true conservative” logical fallacy they can muster.

This woman could openly call for the President’s assassination, and the only thing that would happen is that it increase her margin of victory.

TPM has a poll compiler, which shows (today) the Democratic Party with a -9.6% favorability gap, while the Republican Party has a -20% gap. Despite this, the Generic Congressional Ballot gap is +2% for the Republicans.

I don’t get the disconnect. Americans hate the Republicans significantly more than they hate Democrats, yet they prefer them in Congress by 2%.

68 RealityBasedEbola  Oct 17, 2014 12:40:31pm

re: #64 Lidane

Sorry for the OT, but this just happened:

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Well, there goes the sanctity of Bristol Palin’s marriage. Oh wait… never mind.

RBS

69 Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 17, 2014 12:41:24pm

re: #53 Lidane

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Ha! I said that a couple of days ago.

70 The Fourth Football of the Apocalypse (Bulworth)  Oct 17, 2014 12:42:07pm

re:
#64

Supreme Court allows gay marriage in Alaska

Chalk up another big victory for NOM!!!!!!

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71 The Mountain That Blogs  Oct 17, 2014 12:42:35pm

re: #63 RealityBasedSteve

Duncan first went to the hospital on 9/26, presumably when he started feeling symptoms. As we all know, he was sent home and came back two days later. He was in the community, symptomatic and contagious, for two days before he came back to the hospital and was diagnosed.

That was 21 days ago. There have been no cases in the community from those two days. There. Is. No. Outbreak.

72 Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 17, 2014 12:42:43pm

If they want people to be self sustaining it might be a good idea to do something about those wages that have stagnated for 20 plus years.

73 Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 17, 2014 12:46:45pm

Not 5 o’clock here yet, but it’s Friday and my derp meter just exploded.

74 nines09  Oct 17, 2014 12:47:12pm

Iowa Republican Joni Ernst has a plan. Here is your rock. Here is a stick. Flint? Fuck off.
Remember when you vote for any GOP candidate anywhere you are voting for her. Period.

75 Eventual Carrion  Oct 17, 2014 12:47:49pm

re: #22 Decatur Deb

Never underestimate a bake sale.

Can I pay in chickens?

76 Varek Raith  Oct 17, 2014 12:48:12pm

re: #75 Eventual Carrion

Can I pay in chickens?

…No.
Sunflower seeds however…

77 RealityBasedEbola  Oct 17, 2014 12:49:03pm

re: #76 Varek Raith

…No.
Sunflower seeds however…

I’ve got a jar of Mayo… can I trade that?

RBS

78 Jenner7  Oct 17, 2014 12:49:17pm

Um, then get off your ass, get back to Congress and approve a fucking surgeon general, asshat.

79 Varek Raith  Oct 17, 2014 12:49:21pm

re: #77 RealityBasedEbola

I’ve got a jar of Mayo… can I trade that?

RBS

*_*

80 EPR-radar  Oct 17, 2014 12:49:27pm

re: #61 Blind Frog Belly White

I’m amazed at the seeming desire of many on the Right to believe the worst and most worrying things all the time, to seek out people who will not only not reassure them, but will actually exacerbate their anxiety.

For the leaders of these exercises, I pretty much think the fear-mongering is a cynical ploy to try to get scapegoating more widely accepted.

81 Charles Johnson  Oct 17, 2014 12:50:00pm
82 bill d  Oct 17, 2014 12:50:07pm

If you catch Ebola you should vote for Republicans as a protest vote, if you don’t catch Ebola vote for a Democrat as a sign for a job well done.

83 klys  Oct 17, 2014 12:51:22pm

re: #73 Backwoods_Sleuth

Not 5 o’clock here yet, but it’s Friday and my derp meter just exploded.

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That cat is a) small, b) adorable, and c) not mine.

One of these things makes me sad.

84 RealityBasedEbola  Oct 17, 2014 12:52:10pm

re: #80 EPR-radar

For the leaders of these exercises, I pretty much think the fear-mongering is a cynical ploy to try to get scapegoating more widely accepted.

FUD (Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt). That is the coin being spent to put the RW base into an action mode. It is only by keeping them scared that “Somebody” or “Something” is going to destroy them can they bypass the rational thought process.

85 calochortus  Oct 17, 2014 12:52:52pm

re: #65 klys

Implicit in these statements, of course, is that for many of the people who advocate this, they wouldn’t be affected because they are smart and have made good decisions (in their own mind) and so clearly if someone else does need it, it’s their own fault.

Which is bullshit. Complete and utter bullshit. Even if it is someone’s own fault, we all benefit as a whole for folks to have food to eat, access to healthcare, and a safety net to fall back on. But they want to be able to pick and choose, to keep it restrict to folks they feel deserve it - with all the undertones that implies. Ultimately they want to play God with other people’s lives, deciding whether they are worthy of a good life or not.

Well, sure. I picked my parents very carefully-stable, happy home? Check! Middle to upper middle class? Check! Good schools? Check! Anyone could have done like me!

86 EPR-radar  Oct 17, 2014 12:52:55pm

re: #67 Blind Frog Belly White

TPM has a poll compiler, which shows (today) the Democratic Party with a -9.6% favorability gap, while the Republican Party has a -20% gap. Despite this, the Generic Congressional Ballot gap is +2% for the Republicans.

I don’t get the disconnect. Americans hate the Republicans significantly more than they hate Democrats, yet they prefer them in Congress by 2%.

The ‘moderate Republicans’ may account for a significant part of this disconnect. They are free to disapprove of GOP orthodoxy, while pretending that the GOPers they vote for are somehow not in line with GOP orthodoxy.

87 bill d  Oct 17, 2014 12:52:56pm

re: #81 Charles Johnson

88 RealityBasedEbola  Oct 17, 2014 12:54:37pm

re: #87 b.d.

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Has it awoken again? or are you just poking him with a stick?

RBS

89 Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 17, 2014 12:55:00pm

re: #83 klys

That cat is a) small, b) adorable, and c) not mine.

One of these things makes me sad.

That cat (real life name “The Bear”) celebrated his 19th birthday last week.
I think he is adorable, too.

(And he wasn’t who exploded my derp meter)

90 Lidane  Oct 17, 2014 12:55:35pm
91 RealityBasedEbola  Oct 17, 2014 12:56:43pm

Well, my students have all logged out, the paperwork is done, the doughnut box is now empty, I think I’m heading out.

See ya all later.

RBS

92 EPR-radar  Oct 17, 2014 12:56:49pm

re: #84 RealityBasedEbola

FUD (Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt). That is the coin being spent to put the RW base into an action mode. It is only by keeping them scared that “Somebody” or “Something” is going to destroy them can they bypass the rational thought process.

Enough of that, plus some upheavals in the system combined with a charismatic RWNJ leader, and US politics may become very evil indeed.

It most certainly can happen here. The relatively rational people that vote for evil nut jobs ‘just because’ are a big part of making this more likely.

93 TedStriker  Oct 17, 2014 12:57:41pm

re: #78 Jenner7

Um, then get off your ass, get back to Congress and approve a fucking surgeon general, asshat.

Hey, that’s “Senator Asshat” to you!

Unfortunately, he is one of my Senators…

94 Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 17, 2014 12:58:17pm

My shocked face:

95 ausador  Oct 17, 2014 1:00:01pm

16 dead in accident at South Korea concert

SEOUL, South Korea — Sixteen people watching an outdoor pop concert in South Korea fell 20 meters, more than 65 feet, to their deaths Friday when a ventilation grate they were standing on collapsed, officials said.

Photos of the scene in Seongnam, just south of Seoul, showed a deep concrete shaft under the broken grate.

Ventilation Grate That Failed Under Load of People.

96 De Kolta Chair  Oct 17, 2014 1:00:02pm

re: #90 Lidane

Hey Glenn…

97 nines09  Oct 17, 2014 1:00:17pm

re: #94 Backwoods_Sleuth

That’s because Rand Paul never met a Folding President he didn’t like. How do you spell love? M-

98 The Fourth Football of the Apocalypse (Bulworth)  Oct 17, 2014 1:02:16pm

re:
#90

It has been a few weeks in the making, but today Glenn Beck finally had his screaming meltdown over Ebola:

Must be reassuring to his crazed listeners. /

99 Lidane  Oct 17, 2014 1:02:49pm

Mental health break while my co-workers razz the Aussie for the way he says the word “peanuts”:

100 Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 17, 2014 1:03:21pm

re: #94 Backwoods_Sleuth

My shocked face:

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o.m.g.
The linked article in that tweet is just…o.m.g.

101 darthstar  Oct 17, 2014 1:03:22pm
102 The Fourth Football of the Apocalypse (Bulworth)  Oct 17, 2014 1:04:17pm

re:
#90

so naturally he spent a good portion of his radio program today having a screaming meltdown about how government incompetence is “literally going to be the death of all of us”

Or the death of one of us. /

103 Vogon Poetry  Oct 17, 2014 1:04:59pm

re: #81 Charles Johnson

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So, he has no use for HIPAA (guess it crimps his doxxing style and the stylings of his racist co-smear merchants). How… unsurprising.

He also thinks HIPAA is getting in the way of public health? He can’t actually identify anything that approaches a fact in that sentence. No one has had their health harmed by HIPAA in the current Ebola outbreak. No one. Out of the hundreds of people that came into contact with Duncan, two nurses were infected. Those two nurses may have infected others, but HIPAA had zero effect on anyone coming into contact.

He’s just using it as a crutch to try and gin up more bogus information about the nurses who got sick from caring for Duncan.

104 darthstar  Oct 17, 2014 1:05:01pm

re: #81 Charles Johnson

Poor Chuckles…he can’t access other people’s medical records? Has he tried the O’Keefe approach? Don a disguise…get caught…profit!

105 The Mountain That Blogs  Oct 17, 2014 1:05:05pm

re: #101 darthstar

But a) Reagan was white, and b) a lot of the AIDS victims were gay

106 Jenner7  Oct 17, 2014 1:05:46pm

re: #90 Lidane

I thought he was going to stop being divisive??

107 leftynyc  Oct 17, 2014 1:08:14pm

I have to share this - my cousin and her wife married in CT a few years ago but live in Arizona. Just got an all cap text from her that due to that court decision today, she is now legally married in her home state. I simply burst into tear of happiness for them.

108 klys  Oct 17, 2014 1:11:02pm

re: #107 leftynyc

I have to share this - my cousin and her wife married in CT a few years ago but live in Arizona. Just got an all cap text from her that due to that court decision today, she is now legally married in her home state. I simply burst into tear of happiness for them.

I don’t understand how anyone could want to stand in the way of so much happiness when it has so little impact on their lives.

So very happy for them.

109 Vogon Poetry  Oct 17, 2014 1:12:46pm
110 Stanley Seabola  Oct 17, 2014 1:13:47pm

re: #107 leftynyc

I have to share this - my cousin and her wife married in CT a few years ago but live in Arizona. Just got an all cap text from her that due to that court decision today, she is now legally married in her home state. I simply burst into tear of happiness for them.

This was earlier - the Clerk of Maricopa Co.

111 Blind Frog Ebola White  Oct 17, 2014 1:14:58pm

re: #81 Charles Johnson

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Information wants to be free! Unless it’s Chucky’s personal information, of course.

112 De Kolta Chair  Oct 17, 2014 1:16:16pm

re: #105 The Mountain That Blogs

But a) Reagan was white, and b) a lot of the AIDS victims were gay

and c) some of them were his friends, or at least thought they were.

113 Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 17, 2014 1:18:14pm

definitely drinks-thirty now…

114 calochortus  Oct 17, 2014 1:18:52pm

re: #108 klys

I don’t understand how anyone could want to stand in the way of so much happiness when it has so little impact on their lives.

So very happy for them.

I suspect these people aren’t happy and think that if other, less deserving people are happy that it just isn’t fair.

115 Blind Frog Ebola White  Oct 17, 2014 1:20:19pm

re: #96 De Kolta Chair

Hey Glenn…
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Wait - there’s a female Hulk?

116 Rev_Arthur_Ebolaing  Oct 17, 2014 1:20:52pm

re: #103 Vogon Poetry

So, he has no use for HIPAA (guess it crimps his doxxing style and the stylings of his racist co-smear merchants). How… unsurprising.

He also thinks HIPAA is getting in the way of public health? He can’t actually identify anything that approaches a fact in that sentence. No one has had their health harmed by HIPAA in the current Ebola outbreak. No one. Out of the hundreds of people that came into contact with Duncan, two nurses were infected. Those two nurses may have infected others, but HIPAA had zero effect on anyone coming into contact.

He’s just using it as a crutch to try and gin up more bogus information about the nurses who got sick from caring for Duncan.

I’m surprised UpChuck even knows how to spell HIPAA.

117 Blind Frog Ebola White  Oct 17, 2014 1:20:58pm

re: #114 calochortus

I suspect these people aren’t happy and think that if other, less deserving people are happy that it just isn’t fair.

How can you tell God is smiling on you, if he’s not shitting on someone you don’t like?

118 A Mom Anon  Oct 17, 2014 1:22:20pm

re: #113 Backwoods_Sleuth

OFFS. Going right into an election with fear, and flu season upon us. That poor woman, geesh. We’ve really become a nation of fucking idiots.

The only real upside to this is maybe some of the more paranoid and stupid among us will stay home through the whole holiday season. I know we couldn’t be that lucky but I’m REALLY trying to find a silver lining somewhere.

119 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Oct 17, 2014 1:22:28pm

re: #115 Blind Frog Belly White

Wait - there’s a female Hulk?

that may be the green chick from Guardians but yes there is/was a She hulk.

120 Blind Frog Ebola White  Oct 17, 2014 1:22:53pm

re: #87 b.d.

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He should start by publishing his own medical records.

121 Vogon Poetry  Oct 17, 2014 1:23:19pm

There goes Wyoming.

Note that there’s a temporary stay in place, giving the opponents to SSM to opt to file an appeal. But given the way the circuit courts of appeal have ruled, this isn’t going to end well for the SSM opponents.

And this is one heck of a resource, including a map that has a timeline feature showing the progression of SSM bans and subsequent moves to legalize SSM.

gregstoll.dyndns.org

122 Charles Johnson  Oct 17, 2014 1:23:36pm
123 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Oct 17, 2014 1:23:53pm

re: #113 Backwoods_Sleuth

but the original tweet says “some poor old lady” how could she be pregnant with morning sickness if she was old? Quick get Chuckles on the case!

124 Rev_Arthur_Ebolaing  Oct 17, 2014 1:24:10pm

re: #121 Vogon Poetry

There goes Wyoming.

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WOOT! It’s like dominos out there today!

125 Blind Frog Ebola White  Oct 17, 2014 1:24:58pm

re: #119 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

that may be the green chick from Guardians but yes there is/was a She hulk.

I bet her shirt doesn’t shred and fall off like the He Hulk’s. Probably becomes a midriff-baring tank top, while her knee-length skirt becomes a mini, if I know my Comic Book artists.

126 De Kolta Chair  Oct 17, 2014 1:25:54pm

re: #115 Blind Frog Belly White

Wait - there’s a female Hulk?

You’d better hope she didn’t hear you ask that. She-Hulk smash!!! ///

(Artwork by “Big” John Buscema, one of the greats.)

127 calochortus  Oct 17, 2014 1:27:18pm

re: #117 Blind Frog Belly White

How can you tell God is smiling on you, if he’s not shitting on someone you don’t like?

To some extent, I do understand. I don’t agree, but I understand. One of my college roommates was the first in her family to go to college-and being of the female persuasion, she really had to fight to be able to do so. Her sister did what she was supposed to, graduated from high school, got a suitable job and waited to get married. And waited. She never did get married and not surprisingly somewhat resented her little sis who broke the rules and ‘won’ (husband, good job, kids.)

If you’ve played by the rules as you understood them and things haven’t turned out well, it can be very natural to resent those who are happy doing their own thing.

128 Lidane  Oct 17, 2014 1:27:33pm

That sound you hear is Bryan Fischer having an aneurysm. In one day, Alaska, Arizona, and now Wyoming have lifted their gay marriage bans:

129 Rev_Arthur_Ebolaing  Oct 17, 2014 1:27:43pm

re: #125 Blind Frog Belly White

I bet her shirt doesn’t shred and fall off like the He Hulk’s. Probably becomes a midriff-baring tank top, while her knee-length skirt becomes a mini, if I know my Comic Book artists.

Hey, she’s no Spiderwoman!

io9.com

130 Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 17, 2014 1:30:09pm

re: #121 Vogon Poetry

Chips are falling! CHIPS ARE FALLING!!!!

(oh, I do miss WKRP in Cincinnati.)

131 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Oct 17, 2014 1:30:58pm

re: #115 Blind Frog Belly White

Wait - there’s a female Hulk?

oh and the part was played in a parody porn by Chyna from the WWE IIRC

132 EPR-radar  Oct 17, 2014 1:31:18pm

re: #118 A Mom Anon

OFFS. Going right into an election with fear, and flu season upon us. That poor woman, geesh. We’ve really become a nation of fucking idiots.

The only real upside to this is maybe some of the more paranoid and stupid among us will stay home through the whole holiday season. I know we couldn’t be that lucky but I’m REALLY trying to find a silver lining somewhere.

What we need to do is convince the paranoid that Ebola will spread at polling sites.

133 De Kolta Chair  Oct 17, 2014 1:32:26pm

re: #131 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

oh and the part was played in a parody porn by Chyna from the WWE IIRC

I SWEAR TO THE ALMIGHTY JACK KIRBY THAT I’VE ONLY SEEN SCREENCAPS!!!!

134 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Oct 17, 2014 1:33:34pm

re: #128 Lidane

That sound you hear is Bryan Fischer having an aneurysm. In one day, Alaska, Arizona, and now Wyoming have lifted their gay marriage bans:

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He’s still safe in his little world of Mississippi. I am sure he’ll start calling for people to migrate there as the last safe place against a “heathen nation” with an addendum promising free kool-aid.

135 Lidane  Oct 17, 2014 1:33:52pm

re: #115 Blind Frog Belly White

Wait - there’s a female Hulk?

You betcha!

136 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Oct 17, 2014 1:34:01pm

re: #133 De Kolta Chair

I SWEAR TO THE ALMIGHTY JACK KIRBY THAT I’VE ONLY SEEN SCREENSHOTS!!!!

I watched it, I LOL’ed

137 Kragar  Oct 17, 2014 1:34:41pm

Greg Abbot thought holding a twitter townhall would be a good thing to do,

Things have gone as well as you might have expected

138 Franklin  Oct 17, 2014 1:36:25pm

re: #108 klys

I don’t understand how anyone could want to stand in the way of so much happiness when it has so little impact on their lives

I don’t understand how anyone could want to stand in the way of so much happiness when it has so little impact on their lives

I don’t understand how anyone could want to stand in the way of so much happiness when it has so little impact on their lives

Quoted multiple times for truth.

139 Vogon Poetry  Oct 17, 2014 1:36:54pm

And this happened:

140 De Kolta Chair  Oct 17, 2014 1:37:19pm

re: #136 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

I watched it, I LOL’ed

One reason why I hang out at this joint: the discerning, sophisticated people.

141 EPR-radar  Oct 17, 2014 1:37:40pm

re: #137 Kragar

If I were in TX, I would be sorely tempted to be very rude. E.g., “While pulling your policy positions out of your ass (GOP SOP), have you gotten around to naming your polyps yet?”

142 Varek Raith  Oct 17, 2014 1:38:53pm

re: #139 Vogon Poetry

And this happened:

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Aum Shinrikyo tried that.

143 TedStriker  Oct 17, 2014 1:39:20pm

re: #108 klys

I don’t understand how anyone could want to stand in the way of so much happiness when it has so little impact on their lives.

So very happy for them.

re: #114 calochortus

I suspect these people aren’t happy and think that if other, less deserving people are happy that it just isn’t fair.

If you’ve ever seen Porky’s 2: The Next Day, a quote from Mrs. Morris (Pee-Wee’s mom and the drama teacher at Angel Beach High) berating Rev. Bubba Flavel, after he and his group (the Righteous Flock) gets the drama club’s production of scenes from Shakespeare’s plays shut down for indecency, fits fundamentalist “conservatives” to a T:

“You care nothing about matters of the spirit, you just want to control other people’s lives!”

144 Kragar  Oct 17, 2014 1:40:52pm

re: #141 EPR-radar

If I were in TX, I would be sorely tempted to be very rude. E.g., “While pulling your policy positions out of your ass (GOP SOP), have you gotten around to naming your polyps yet?”

There has been plenty of that going on as well.

145 Varek Raith  Oct 17, 2014 1:41:26pm

re: #144 Kragar

There has been plenty of that going on as well.

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Ouch.

146 Lidane  Oct 17, 2014 1:41:38pm

re: #139 Vogon Poetry

Hmm, let’s see:

Suicide bombing — quick death, dramatic action, lots of potential targets in the immediate area

Infecting yourself with Ebola — prolonged death, no guarantee you’re going to infect anyone except the doctors and nurses treating you, and 1-2 additional targets at best given the transmission rates for Ebola.

I can’t imagine which one ISIS would go with. //////////

147 The Mountain That Blogs  Oct 17, 2014 1:43:14pm

re: #146 Lidane

prolonged death, no guarantee you’re going to infect anyone except the doctors and nurses treating you

No guarantee of that either.

148 Justanotherhuman  Oct 17, 2014 1:43:17pm

Well, after hearing news today about warming oceans contributing to fiercer, stronger storms and deforestration in Africa maybe being the root cause of diseases like Ebola, what Joni Ernst has to say about anything is pretty damned irrelevant.

news.discovery.com

149 wrenchwitch  Oct 17, 2014 1:43:57pm

re: #139 Vogon Poetry

And this happened:

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Podhoretz can’t figure out why he’s ridiculous? Isn’t that always part of being ridiculous?

150 calochortus  Oct 17, 2014 1:44:09pm

re: #143 TedStriker

I’m afraid I missed the movie. The sentiment is true.
Also reminds me of high school English class wherein we got books with Bowdlerized Shakespeare plays (with the removed sections noted with a line of asterisks.) The asterisks were important as it showed us where to refer to the mimeographed sheets the teachers handed out with the sections that had been removed in the books. If you didn’t understand any of the offending parts, they’d be happy to explain it as well.
I feel confident that I wouldn’t remember “The bawdy hand of the dial is now upon the prick of noon” without it being removed and reinstated.

151 EPR-radar  Oct 17, 2014 1:44:25pm

re: #139 Vogon Poetry

This Neo-con pinhead really can’t see the difference between a suicide bombing and disease carrying (especially for something hard to transmit like Ebola)?

Jackass. It’s a hell of a lot easier to recruit fools for the cause when you can promise them a chance to take out multiple perceived enemies in exchange for their own death at a time/place that’s ultimately up to the bomber, as opposed to being helpless and in care when infectious.

152 Vogon Poetry  Oct 17, 2014 1:44:37pm
153 De Kolta Chair  Oct 17, 2014 1:44:55pm

re: #139 Vogon Poetry

And this happened:

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As per his usual, I don’t think Podhoretz said what he meant to say, whatever the hell that was supposed to be. I’ll have to ask him to elucidate the next time I see him getting sloshed with his Fox & NY Post cronies at the Grand Central Station Oyster Bar.

154 Rightwingconspirator  Oct 17, 2014 1:45:16pm

re: #148 Justanotherhuman

If we as a species don’t fix our behavior, nature will fix it for us.

155 EPR-radar  Oct 17, 2014 1:47:08pm

re: #150 calochortus

I’m afraid I missed the movie. The sentiment is true.
Also reminds me of high school English class wherein we got books with Bowdlerized Shakespeare plays (with the removed sections noted with a line of asterisks.) The asterisks were important as it showed us where to refer to the mimeographed sheets the teachers handed out with the sections that had been removed in the books. If you didn’t understand any of the offending parts, they’d be happy to explain it as well.
I feel confident that I wouldn’t remember “The bawdy hand of the dial is now upon the prick of noon” without it being removed and being reinstated.

My one and only bit of Shakespeare trivia. One of the plays has the line “Ho, the Trojan’s trumpet”. Silently reading this doesn’t do it justice.

156 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Oct 17, 2014 1:47:27pm

re: #154 Rightwingconspirator

If we as a species don’t our behavior, nature will fix it for us.

It will fix it for us even if we do fix it. AGW, for starters, can no longer be stopped.

157 Justanotherhuman  Oct 17, 2014 1:47:54pm

re: #154 Rightwingconspirator

If we as a species don’t fix our behavior, nature will fix it for us.

Exactly. And we as a species are very slow to change our habits.

158 Charles Johnson  Oct 17, 2014 1:47:54pm

re: #139 Vogon Poetry

John Podhoretz @jpodhoretz

A little hard to get why it’s so ridiculous that a person who’d blow himself up with a bomb might see the value in being an ebola carrier

It’s a little hard to get why so many conservatives are so ridiculous.

159 dog philosopher  Oct 17, 2014 1:50:33pm

a generation of people that rely on the government to provide absolutely everything for them

find some and then we’ll talk

160 Flying Squirrel Girl  Oct 17, 2014 1:51:28pm

re: #137 Kragar

Fave so far: Exactly how mad are you at the staffer who came up with #askAbbott

161 Justanotherhuman  Oct 17, 2014 1:52:21pm

re: #156 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

It will fix it for us even if we do fix it. AGW, for starters, can no longer be stopped.

Yeah, the planet will survive, in some fashion. We won’t—forget the Mars colonies, etc. We are over-producing everything—including humans.

162 blueraven  Oct 17, 2014 1:53:34pm

re: #152 Vogon Poetry

Dallas Mayor @Mike_Rawlings says first of 48 Thomas Eric Duncan contacts has cleared 21-day Ebola watch period d-news.co
3:37 PM - 17 Oct 2014

I am sure Chucky will be all over this. He will find out this person’s name (along with address and criminal background) and warn the country. The CDC lies…they don’t know what the incubation period is!!!

163 sagehen  Oct 17, 2014 2:05:18pm

re: #2 Kragar

We’ll just ignore the fact that local charities have repeatedly been unable to provide for the needy when faced with difficult economic times, or the fact that church based charity usually comes with strings attached.

And even when they do…

Imagine Francine Fifth Grader noticing that Susie Second Grader is showing up to school or church in clothes that Francine’s mother told her “we’re giving this stuff to the poor, since you’ve outgrown it anyway.” Francine smirks at Susie in the vestibule at church; tells all the other fifth graders, some of whom have second grade siblings, all of whom give her a bunch of shit about why does Susie’s brother have a new baseball glove if their mom can’t even afford their clothes, and the sixth graders are speculating about what Susie’s mother must do for Sam Sixth Grader’s dad that he takes her to a restaurant and who pays for the sitter if Susie’s mom is so broke…

Yeah, Joni, that’s the kind of small town I want to raise my children in.

164 De Kolta Chair  Oct 17, 2014 2:05:49pm

re: #137 Kragar

Greg Abbot thought holding a twitter townhall would be a good thing to do,

Greg Abbott is Rick Perry without the Eurotrash glasses. And more Jeebus.

[Note to self: write screenplay entitled Eurotrash Jeebus. Gilbert Gottfried as Abbot or Perry???]

165 sagehen  Oct 17, 2014 2:22:35pm

re: #55 Targetpractice

Ayep. They think the 1st amendment only applies to the Feds, while the 10th allows states to do whatever the fuck they want.

Which to be fair, until the 14th Amendment it did.

Some people are living in the 1864 of their imaginations; they have limited contact with the 21st century.

166 Sherlock Hound  Oct 17, 2014 3:35:39pm

re: #13 Targetpractice

It’s worse than that. The adults who lived through the Depression are no longer with us. The older people that grew up during the Depression are passing on, too. That cohort was usually shielded from the worst effects by their parents—and their youth.

I cannot count the number of times I heard, when I was younger, that the “kids of today” needed a Depression to build character and personal responsibility; there was more than a little smugness amongst the “Depression Babies”.

Now they are passing on and the narrative of the Depression will only be illustrated through more bitter experience.

167 derbigdog  Oct 18, 2014 5:56:08am

re: #55 Targetpractice

I cannot believe your ignorance. The 10 Amendment means exactly that. Read the Federalist Papers and a little history.

168 palomino  Oct 18, 2014 2:09:47pm

re: #167 derbigdog

I cannot believe your ignorance. The 10 Amendment means exactly that. Read the Federalist Papers and a little history.

The 10th Amendment does not give states or localities the right to do “whatever the fuck they want”, including establishing an official religion.

Your reference to the Federalist Papers is cute, but irrelevant. It was written 240 years ago, and predates both the Bill of Rights and more importantly the 14th Amendment. The 14th Amendment incorporates the Bill of Rights. In other words, the 14th Amendment made the Bill of Rights applicable to state/local governments as well as the feds. Moreover the Federalist Papers are not laws passed by any governing body; they’re a series of essays written by three guys. They don’t hold the force of law.

I guess what I’m trying to say is that your appeal to the authority of the Federalist Papers is hollow and limp. There’s this thing called the Supreme Court and this other thing called the amendment process. They trump the Federalist Papers. But to know this you’d have to read something written after the Fed Papers.

169 RexMundi  Oct 19, 2014 8:49:16am

Joni Ernst scares me, and she is currently +2% above Braley in the RCP polls.


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